Episode 13: Previewing Mariners Second Baseman, MLB Hall Of Fame Results, And Impactful Trades.

00:00:00 Speaker 1: Welcome to episode number thirteen of The Marine Layer Podcast with TJ. Matthewson and Lyle Goldstein. On today's pod, we will preview second base, our only Mariners segment of the day, will take a look at the second base position for the Mariners in twenty twenty three. With our interviews. The last couple of weeks, we've fallen behind on some of the more national stuff. We'll catch up with that today. A Luisa Rise trade he's going to the Marlins, Pablo Lopez going back to Minnesota, a couple extensions to look at as well, and also Hall of Fame results, all things to sort of collect as this podcast goes along that we've missed over the last couple of weeks or so. We'll close out the show with Speak Your Mind. Let's get it rolling, and we welcome you into the Marine Layer Podcast. Recording here Unlike we normally do on Monday, January thirtieth, I have some high scho basketball to do tomorrow on Tuesday, so we're gonna record here on a Monday instead, A little bit unusual for us, Lyle, but I can't complain too much now. 00:01:11 Speaker 2: It'll probably give me a little bit of extra sleep so that's that's more than fine on my end. Are we looking forward to high school basketball tomorrow? 00:01:18 Speaker 1: It's an interesting setup. I don't believe you've done any high school basketball. 00:01:22 Speaker 2: Right, not to your level. 00:01:26 Speaker 1: Okay, so the school I'm calling for tomorrow, this setup is really interesting. So I'll just kind of detail it a little bit before we get into our Mariners stuff today. It really is an interesting setup first of high school basketball, very very interesting, very intriguing. Got to keep your own stats, keep your own scoring. As the game goes along. In basketball, it might seem a little fast, but you keep up with it pretty well. But the point where I'm calling the game from, it's kind of up in the corner of the gym. I'm almost like I'm almost in the wall of the back of the back wall of the gym. It's called the press box, quote unquote. The stairs to get up there are almost it's almost a ladder straight up, so if you fall, I mean you're probably dead. To be honest, It's an interesting angle to call a game from because you got to stick your head out the window to see all sorts of things. But I enjoyed it. I enjoyed the first time I was there last Thursday. We're originally supposed to do this game on Friday, but some start times got mixed up with Oregon State, so we had to change which game we were gonna call and put that on Tuesday, making us record here on Monday. So that should be interesting. You know, it would be funny if we were to do the podcast, you know, I set up and record the podcast from that press box and then open it up and just call the high school basketball game. Right we're done. But I think this works out a little bit better for recording purposes. It would be kind of a pain to get my mic up there. I'm gonna be honest. I have learned something. I have learned something dog much like unlike college football, we had, well, we've had a lot of experience in the college aspect of calling games. Being at school high school, you're in all sorts of places, in all sorts of angles, with all sorts of setups. It really is intriguing every place you go to, and I've enjoyed it to a point, and it is really a balance. 00:03:22 Speaker 2: I don't think any setup will ever beat the Raptor Cage in Wareham in the Cape Cod League, which you and I both got the experience. Actually you barely have to do it because you were only there once in two years. Yeah, but man, when you have to sit up on that thing, it doesn't feel very stable. The players can hear everything you're saying because they're right beneath you in the dugout. I mean it literally looks like you're trapped in a cage. So yeah, there can be some bad high school basketball vantage points. I don't know if anything can top wear Ham though. 00:03:52 Speaker 1: And the best thing really about calling agamement is you have a nice central view and you only have to move your head this way and this way, not this way and this way and all those other ways, which gets you away from all the things that help you be familiar with the team in front of you, and it just makes it more choppy. And I know we're wealth perfectionists when it comes to doing this and calling games as well, So when you don't have that ideal setup, which you won't at the lower levels of pretty much everything doesn't work out quite as well. So let's be interesting tomorrow, Doug, So tune in seven o'clock er probably about seven to fifty. It'll actually get away underway on time. Another thing I realized about high school basketball. Start times are always late because there's always the games in front of it. But tomorrow I don't believe that'll be the case. I'm happy with that. Anyways, let's get into our Mariner's stuff for today. It's a pretty light Mariner's week. We're approaching spring training, about two and a half weeks away from pitchers and catchers reporting to Mariners spring training. Believe it's two weeks from Thursday. Don't quote me on that. I'm pretty sure it's two weeks from Thursday. Of course earlier report date because of the WBC, especially for pitchers and catchers, they got to get ready early. Luis Castillo unfortunately, it has to get ready early to go pitch for the Dominican Republic. So they're going to be there early, and it's giving us time to get into these positional previews, which we're going to do today. And today we're going to preview second base. Wow, this is one of the more interesting positions to preview. One you're very high on especially, but the more we dig into the numbers, the combination of Colton Long and Dylan Moore, just an overall aspect of how I'm looking at this position. It should be an upgrade in twenty twenty three. Maybe not a one hundred percent certainty, but you're pretty confident you would agree that this position is going to be an upgrade for this upcoming season. 00:05:52 Speaker 2: On paper, it's absolutely an upgrade because they're playing to the guy's strength. Just to set the table a little bit in case anybody is unaware the plan for the Mariners going forward here in twenty twenty three. At second base, they're gonna have Colton Wong and Dylan Moore platoon. They're going to play Colton Wong for the most part against righty's because Wang's strong side is against right handed pitching, and they're going to play Dylan Moore, who's been a platoon guy the last couple of years, mostly its second base against lefties because Dylan Moore crushes left handed pitching. So yeah, it's it feels like an upgrade from Adam Frazier for sure, who didn't strike out a lot, but he also did not hit the ball very hard. He didn't have a lot of power, his ceiling was pretty low. With these guys, I'm not going to sit here and say they're going to be twenty fourteen Robinson Cano. But they have strength that can contribute to a winning roster for sure. 00:06:44 Speaker 1: Speaking of Robinson Cano, really enjoyed putting together the short form video on Sunday that we published actually right now here on Monday, so if you haven't seen it by the time you're listening to this podcast on Wednesday, go check it out. I thought it was so funny the fact that we had pickedures of Robinson Cano after the Mariners were talking about what free agent contracts look like in your age thirty eight season is a met a Brave and a Padre and some of them, And I left out the SpongeBob uniform, which was even which was the best one of the of the four. Yeah, that picture just wasn't high quality enough. 00:07:20 Speaker 2: Yeah that's fair. But yeah, I do think that both Wang and More are gonna put up some production because again they're really trying to cater to these players with this platoon. They're gonna platoon at a couple positions this year, at least to start the year, and maybe the most prominent one is second base. 00:07:39 Speaker 1: Let's start with Colton Wong a new edition. If we're going to break it down person by person, let's start with Colton. Coltonwong. He's on the third year of a three year, twenty four million dollar deal. Remember, he would have the Mariners would have loved him in Seattle, and he was very interested in coming into Seattle. In the twenty twenty off season, they didn't want to offer Colton Wong a third year on his contract or no, sorry, it was prior to the twenty twenty one season, so twenty twenty one, so he was looking for a third year in his contract. Him and the Mariners both had interest, but the Mariners weren't willing to give Colton Wong a third year, so he ended up signing with the Brewers. So that third year is essentially what the Mariners that they didn't want to offer him is what the Mariners are going to pay him here in twenty twenty three. Last year with the Brewers, a one to seventeen WRC plus, he stole seventeen bases as well. And as Lyle mentioned, he's a platoon guy. He faced right he mostly faced rities. He was very successful against rities, a one to thirty five WRC plus against righties. And another thing I noted Lyle that we mentioned when we previewed Colton Loong when he got traded to the Mariners. Is that he just he had a couple injuries that were nagging him throughout the season. But once June hit, he was a pretty elite hitter overall. He had a one thirty two WRC plus June first on. Mariners would take that kind of production from second base. 00:09:06 Speaker 2: Yeah, Adam Frazier did not put up a one thirty two WRC plus, that's for sure. Really well, he came close. Oh wait, no he didn't. But look, Wong Wong's been an underratedly good hitter almost his entire career. I mean, look at three of his last four years, he's posted an OPS plus of one oh eight or better. That means he was at least eight percent better than league average or greater than that in three of his last four seasons. The only season he didn't do that was twenty twenty, where he didn't have as much time in a short year. So the last three full seasons he's played, he's been a really productive bat and like you said, really crushes righties. His OPS was eight forty five against ridies this past year. This is a good bat. Again, I'm not gonna sit here and say he's gonna hit thirty home runs. I'm not gonna sit here and say he's gonna have the most power in the life. But you should expect Colton Wong to provide some real production, and his track record would back that up. 00:10:08 Speaker 1: The only thing I'm a little bit worried about with Colton Wong. Obviously he had his two career highs and home runs when he was a Brewer, and that's a very hitter friendly park. It's cyclicked on the wrong tab there, so give me a second here. But he, as we know, American Family Fields in Milwaukee is a very hitter friendly ballpark, very very hitter friendly. And again, two of his best power seasons, his top two ISO seasons, were both in a Milwaukee Brewers uniform. So I don't think we can expect you said, no, don't expect thirty home runs. I don't know if he even gets to ten this year, to be honest, if we're talking about the hitting environment switch from Milwaukee to Seattle, but there's still room there for a productive player. And let's not forget if we go onto the defensive side of the ball as well. With cold and long he had a bit of an iffy defensive season last year. A lot of people suspected that was due to an injury. If we look before that, Colton Wong was a very very good defender. So if we look at twenty twenty two minus one defensive runs staved. But Justin Hollander himself came out and said he wasn't a big believer in the fact that that was that was going to be a future for Colton Wong with his defense. See if you look back at twenty nineteen and twenty twenty one, a gold club in each of those two seasons, And in fact, if you go back one year before that, twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen, those are the two best sort of analytical season defensive seasons of his career. Defensive runs, saved outs, above average, ultimate zone rating, all three of those metrics really loved Wong those two seasons, and that's really not that long ago. And for a position at second base, which can age a little bit better than some other higher turmoil positions, say in the outfielder shortstop. 00:12:00 Speaker 2: I'll respond with two points first to quickly touch on your point of his home run total. Yeah, I don't think he's going to get anywhere close to twenty five even twenty home runs this year. You're right, it might just be nine or ten. But the reason we sit here on this podcast and talk about WRC plus and OPS plus is because those are park Adjusted's death So he can have balls not physically leave the yard and still be a well above average hitter. But now transitioning over to his defense, your second point, not only have metrics favored him most of his career, and I'm with you, I think injuries played a big part as to why he did not have a good defensive year last year, because again, he's had too many good seasons in the field to just fall off like that so drastically, unless something was going on along with he now is going to have one of the best infield coaches on the planet helping him out. You look at what Perry Hill's done for the Mariners in his time as an infield coach. Hey, Henni O. Suarez was a disaster of a defender in Cincinnati multiple years. He fixed them this paslast year he was great. JP Crawford had defensive issues in Philly and early in his career in Seattle. Perry Hill fixed him. JP Crawford in two of his last three years has been one of the best defensive shortstops in baseball, and Ty Frantz He's now become a plus defender. So that's first base, shortstop, and third base that Hill's all had an impact on. With a guy like Colton Wong that's played such great defense most of his career, I feel like Perry Hill can tweak a thing or two with them and help get Wong back on track. 00:13:30 Speaker 1: Now. I texted you about this yesterday, and you're right about his defense. You are. I'm I think he's going to be a good defender, especially a he's not going to have as much wear and tear on himself because he's not going to be playing every single day. Dylan Moore is gonna split with him. We'll get into Dylan Moore here in a little bit. When I texted you about this, we flip back to his offense. If we're talking about how is he going to bring it over to the Mariners. This has nothing to do with park and everything to do with who he is. Faced. I laughed when I saw these numbers yesterday, Lyle Colton Wong versus the Reds and Pirates last season three twenty eight average three to ninety six on base five ninety five slugging a one to seventy three WRC plus from Colton Wong against just two teams the entire everyone else the rest of the league, he had a ninety six WRC plus. Now that balance is out a little bit over the course of the season. But lyle, are we worried that Colton Wong's not gonna have enough poverty, pitching staffs and organizations to face over the course of a season to be a productive offensive player. 00:14:51 Speaker 2: Uh, I'm sorry, does that team in Oakland not exist anymore? 00:14:54 Speaker 1: No? Yeah, you're right, You are right, You're right. And don't for the Angels either. 00:15:01 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if he doesn't have to face Otani, there's nobody in that rotation that's really gonna blow him away, especially because if somebody like Red Debtmers is on the mound, Wong's probably not gonna be playing, and Debtvers is a lefty. Yeah. I mean, look, he feasted on bad pitching. A lot of players feast on bad pitching. Do I think that's gonna make or break wong season this year? No? I mean again, you want to see him hit the elite guys, but not a whole lot of players in baseball. Light up Jacob deGrom or light up fram Er Valdez when Wong will have to face those guys or I guess he won't face Framber much because again that's another lefty I'll say m colors. But it is an interesting point because it shows that, yeah, he took advantage of some bad teams and some bad rotations. Can he do that again in twenty twenty three and it still bumps his offensive production and boosts his season to have a good year for sure? I mean, offense is offense, right. 00:15:56 Speaker 1: Personally, it wouldn't be something I'm too worried about. Stats gets all the time, and you always have to face you will eventually face bad teams. It's not like Colton Wong's only in the lineup against the Astros, against the Yankees, against the Blue Jays. I mean He's in the lineup every single day. So and you said it, so that puts it, That puts it in perspective. But I I just had a laugh. We look at the Reds and Virates so much and just one of those stats where you just shake your head and it's like, man, Oh man, you let Colton Wong slug six hundred against you six hundred. 00:16:37 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's something one thing I noticed about Long. If we flip back to his defense, now, this doesn't really matter all that much either. He's never had a good arm at all. I mean, his arm strength ranks in the bottom five percent of the league almost every year. But when you play second base, I guess that doesn't really matter all that much. It was just something interesting I noticed when looking at Coulton Wong and his Savant page that yeah, he's never had a strong arm. But that's probably the least of the Mariner's concerns. If he's playing second base, playing good defense, and hitting well, they'll take it. 00:17:11 Speaker 1: Well, let's just hope he's not the fill in shortstop. 00:17:16 Speaker 2: I don't think you will be. 00:17:19 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that'll be uh, that'll be his co second basement Dylan Moore, who we can get to now, Dylan's got an interesting case this year, Lyle. I mean, not only is he's the platoon second baseman, he's your backup shortstop, he's your backup third basement, and he's also your best backup corner outfielder as well. After we look, I mean, you could throw Sam Haggerty in there too, but you know him and Sam are about equal when it comes to how good they are in a corner outfield spot, both defensively and offensively. So this makes it for a very interesting position for Dylan Moore to also be the platoon side of second base. 00:17:58 Speaker 2: It does because if there's in he's going to have to fill in other places and that might expose Long a little bit, which would face have to force him to face more lefties, and unless they move Sam Haggerty to second base a little bit, which I guess they could do, although for the most part last year he was only in the outfield. But this is why Dylan Moore is valuable. Dylan Moore put up over at two to f War this past year. He's actually a really good defender at second base. He hasn't played a ton of games there in his career, to be exact, he's put one hundred and six career games at second base, but he's got ten defensive runs saved there in that time. So he thrives at second base. He doesn't thrive as much at shortstop, even though that's where he's going to be the backup. But when you get him at second base, that's a good defender. And again for a guy that's going to hit a lot of lefties, this feels like you're playing to the strength of a guy that has a lot when you use him the right way. 00:18:52 Speaker 1: And in terms of innings, the seven hundred and sixty two innings at second base in his career, that's a little bit under a full seat sea worth of innings a full season's worth of innings on defenses around one thousand, so it's a little bit underneath that. But any position where you got ten defensive runs saved at is very good for over the course of a full season. So I don't know you could say Dylan would have plus twelve defensive run saved at second base. Well, it just so happens that Colton Wong's two best seasons of defensive run saved at second base I believe is seventh it is thirteen and seventeen defensive run saved at second base. So that puts Dylan Moore right up there with Colton Wong. And on the offensive side. For Dylan Moore where he was, he was pretty balanced this past year. To be honest, I always forget, his splits are a little bit more balanced than we would think. Even though he is going to be the left handed when a lefti's on the mound, he's going to be the guy starting at second base. But he was decently balanced against lefties versus righties. So he had a one thirty seven WRC plus when he faced lefties this year. Had a f fifteen percent walk rate, which I kind of chuckled at, but overall he was still an above average hitter against Ridy's two. So if Colton Wong's hurt, you wouldn't lose too much by having Dylan Moore stay in there against rdys. You just might swing and miss a little bit more, not walk as much. 00:20:19 Speaker 2: Dylan Moore for the year had a one twenty six WRC plus in twenty twenty two. That's twenty six percent above league average. I've been waiting to throw this out. Let me list a few guys that put up a worse WRC plus than Dylan Moore this past year. Ryan Reynolds, Sean Murphy, Rhys Hoskins, Josh Bell, Matt Olsen, Corey Seeger, Ronald Lecunya, Dansby Swanson, Marcus semeon. Do those names mean anything to anybody, because Dylan Moore out hit all of them. 00:20:51 Speaker 1: This is Lyle's Game six, where he's been waiting to prove all the haters wrong all year. I was right on Dylan Moore. 00:21:01 Speaker 2: Hey, numbers never lie. By offensive patricks he was, he was better. 00:21:07 Speaker 1: Than all all the time. Women lie, but numbers never lie. Remember that I stole that quote from somebody. I forget who said it. You can google that on the internet. 00:21:20 Speaker 2: Look, Dylan Moore played significantly less than most of those guys because he played a specific role. But the point I'm trying to get at here with him is he's a good hitter. And this is what I believed about him really ever since twenty twenty, when in that short sample he played really well, and we saw it this past year. So you take his strengths, you put him against lefties where he was thirty seven percent better than league average, and he plays a position, a position where he thrives at second base. I mean, you want to combine the two together. I'm not going to sit here in stamp projections for anybody, but there's a real world where Colton Wong and Dylan Moore can each put up two and a half wins at least, And if you were going to tell any Mariners fan the second base position is gonna combine for a five war this year. That's an all star player. Yes, it comes from two different people, but that's all star production and those guys can do that. 00:22:17 Speaker 1: It's pretty much with Jeff McNeil put up this year at second base for the Mets. He had five point four wins of replacements if you're thinking in that terms, in that scope, Wow, do you also have a list of all the twenty twenty two free agents who Dylan Moore at a higher wins above replacement? Then in the twenty two season, Chris Bryant Trevor Story, did he know we had a higher one than Chris Bryant, That's for sure. 00:22:44 Speaker 2: Chris Bryant barely played. Okay, I'm gonna look this up on the fly. I mean, since Brian barely played, Demo absolutely put up. 00:22:50 Speaker 1: A higher war. 00:22:52 Speaker 2: Story put up two and a half. Okay, so he's still beat out its close more by a little bit. 00:22:56 Speaker 1: But how many games did Trevor plays a Story? 00:23:00 Speaker 2: He played? What was a total of this year ninety four games? All Right? So we didn't have an awful year two and a half wins in ninety four games, where I think Demo played at little more than that for sure, but the point being, yeah, I mean everybody wanted Chris Bryant last year, right and dilanmore help played him. So Dylan Moore played one hundred and four games this year, So a little bit more than story. But this is a productive player. This is Dylan Moore is never going to be an All Star, but he is the type of player that every competitive postseason team wants on their roster because he can play good defense, he has some pop, he can hit lefties, he's fine against righty's two. He walks, he steals bases, He's versatile. Like it's it's always been kind kind of a pain to think about letting Chris Bryant go. Sorry, Chris Taylor, not Chris Bryant. But I'm not saying Dylan Moore is an equivalent of Chris Taylor. But he can play that type of role and he's done that now the last couple of years. 00:23:59 Speaker 1: One aspect of this base group that we haven't touched on yet that I would personally like to touch on the base running aspect. You mentioned it a little bit just a second ago with stolen bases, but the numbers back it up. If you look at the Mariners, they have three plus base runners on their twenty twenty two roster, Julio far and away number one, Dylan Moore and Sam Haggerty. Now Dylan Moore and Sam Haggard, who were primarily last year sent in off the bench Laighton games. That's when they were at their best. You mentioned fill in here, filling there. Sam Haggerty had his stretch in July where he hit the he hit the ball to the moon every day. But in general, their best was when they came off the bench Layton games, when you needed him on the base paths, and that's what they did, and the numbers reflected it with how good they were on the base paths well. Colton Wong, might I add last year the only Mariner who was a better base runner than him was Julio. That's it. Julio was a little bit over four base running runs measured by Fangrafts. Wong is at three point four, Dylan Moore was at two point five. Sam was right in that area too, And if you look at the Mariners roster. There are not very many good base runners on that roster. You know who was behind those three? It was Julio, Sam and Dylan You know who was number four? 00:25:18 Speaker 2: Let me take a guess here was it JP? 00:25:26 Speaker 1: No, it was Carlos Santana, who is no longer a Mariner. JP was negative. I can pull it up here really quick. Let me see if I can. If I could, Fangrafts always runs really slow, so we'll see if I can get up get it up in time. But man, oh man, if you just look at the Mariners roster from last year, I mean, they were. They were a bad base running team. In terms of individual base runners, they were. They were just not a good base running team. I'm gonna just google Dylan Moore here and we'll see if we can get the Mariners up. But it they they needed more, they need more good base runners on the team, and they got another one. So I summarized it like this, Well, I'm gonna wait for Fangrafts to load, and my computer is just gonna just hug through this. Here we go. Okay, I got it up, so we can get it out before I get to my like the true traits of the Mariners second basement this year, Let's let's go, let's let's measure our base runners out here, because I just kind of give you a perspective of how important this could be with having another guy who's that good on the base paths. So Julio had four point three base running runs? Is that the official term of that state bs R? I believe that is base running runs four point three. Dylan Moore was at two point five. Sam Haggerty was at two point two. Remember both those two essentially part timers. You would think they starts here, they starting here and there, but Dylan Moore and Sam Haggerty in terms of base running part time. So you could say those three, those two in Julio the best three base runners on the Mariners roster. Now after that, it it just gets so so shaky on this roster from last year. I mean, who's after them? Carlos Santana at point seven, Kurt Casally at point four, Kevin Padlow, Marcus Wilson, Andrew Knapp like that, those are all everyone I just listed there were the only Mariners who were plus on the bass pads last year, the only ones. 00:27:25 Speaker 2: So to put that in some perspective, that means the most of the regular starters were in the negative. Ty was in the negative, Suarez was in the negative. JP and the negative, Cal and the negative. There are not a lot of good base runners on this team. I mean, Mitch, I'm sure was in the negative, and Tia Oscar probably will be two. 00:27:44 Speaker 1: You had one everyday player who was a plus base runner. 00:27:48 Speaker 2: Yeah, one of nine. Yeah, So to have long in the lineup is gonna be really helpful. 00:27:56 Speaker 1: And I proposed this to you yesterday. Guess who was last? 00:28:03 Speaker 2: Oh was Jesse Winker? 00:28:04 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was Jesse Winker. It's not too surprising when you think about it. And he was far and away the worst too. He was negative four point three. Ty was the second worst. Gino. Justin Upton somehow managed to lose the Mariners nearly two runs on the pace pads even though he only played seventeen games. That that was honestly impressive. You know, I respect you Justin Upton for somehow getting minus one point seven, yeah, one point eight in seventeen games. I mean, Abe was bad, JP was bad, Cow is bad. Jared was great as a negative base runner to their dogs. So better get the PR team ready. 00:28:47 Speaker 2: Oh, I'm ready for it. I mean, he can still be a good base runner long. 00:28:50 Speaker 1: Term, but he was not. He was not a positive base runner last year. 00:28:54 Speaker 2: That doesn't surprise me. He got thrown out a few times. But to your point, the reason we just went down that rabbit hole is because having Colton Wong, who is a good base runner, is going to help this team. And to have a guy in the lineup, whether it be More or Wong every day who is a plus runner, that matters. 00:29:13 Speaker 1: So here's what Mariner's second baseman will bring this year that this is your ideal scenario for Mariners second basement. If they're healthy, plus on base skills, plus defense, plus base running, that's a valuable player right there. And that's what the Mariners want out of these two. That's what they see with Dylan Moore and Colton Wong splitting one hundred and forty five games at second base in an ideal world. 00:29:39 Speaker 2: Since the Mariners traded Robinson Cano, they have not found a long term fit at second base. They haven't had a whole lot of production at second base, but twenty twenty three has the chance to be their most productive year at the position. And now a few seasons. Well, TJ, are we ready to move on to our MLB wrap around? 00:30:00 Speaker 1: Let's touch on a couple other players. I know we've gotten kind of long with our second base preview. We mentioned Sam Haggerty a little bit. He you know, he's the emergency option at second base if if someone has hurt, Sam's probably in there. More envisioned Dylan Moore. He he's the same as Dylan Moore. He's much better as a right handed hitter as a righty. So Sam Haggerty's a switch hitter. He's much better from his right side. His low have you looked at his right handed numbers recently? I remember looking at him in the end of the year. 00:30:33 Speaker 2: Really good. 00:30:33 Speaker 1: Aaron Judge, He's Aaron Judge from the right side. He's two eleven WRC plus from the right side. So if Emeridis could get if the Merediths can get Sam Haggerty in there versus a lefty on the mound at second base, I don't think they would be too hesitant to do that because Sam Haggerty is very good as a right hand hitter. He only played twelve innings at second base last year, and wouldn't expect it too much but nothing's impossible. And then the other options I threw out, I mean, Tommy Lostella could always make the roster and be your emergency backup second baseman, Mason McCoy and tripa a Let's probably your number one back up in the minor leagues. And then you could trade for someone as well. It's mostly gonna be those two guys at the top. The best thing about a platoon is that you already have two starting second basement on your roster. However, someone goes down Haggarty McCoy to Lostella, probably some other options there. 00:31:32 Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit of depth, but most of the heavy lifting is gonna be rested on the shoulders of Wong and Dylan Moore, which has a chance to be a better situation than the Mariners have had in a long time. So it could be exciting. Okay, now are we ready to transition. 00:31:52 Speaker 1: Let's do it. 00:31:54 Speaker 2: Let's get into our MLB wrap around here. Well, TJ, we're going to catch up on a couple things from last week. First and foremost Hall of Fame results that came out a week ago today, one player elected in Scott roland career phenomenal third baseman. He will go into Cooperstown along with Fred McGriff this summer. But Roland the only player that the voters inducted in and voted in here this season. 00:32:29 Speaker 1: It's good for Scott Roland. Not quite as familiar with Scott Roland as I am with a lot of other historical players, but a very good player. His wins above replacement up there in terms of what you want for Hall of Fame. He's at seventy point one for Baseball Reference wins above replacement. A very good defensive third baseman, a career ops of eight to fifty five along with plus plus defense. It's you can argue a Hall of Famer. Again. He didn't get unaniously voted in seventy six percent of the vote. You only need seventy five percent, so ends in. I just think this year is a very hall of very good. Maybe not perhaps Hall of Fame unless you have an excuse for a Rod to get in. I don't really, even though we're pro steroid guys, getting in a Rod doesn't qualify because he cheated during times or they said you can't cheat, and he did it anyway, And he got caught for a lot of drugs, a lot of steroids, so we're not gonna put a Rod in there. Although how many votes A Rod still got thirty five percent. This system never makes sense to me. It doesn't with how some people vote. But any that's it for me. I mean, Todd Helton will probably get in next year, seventy two percent of the vote. He has some just absurd stat lines when you look at his seasons. Billy Wagner too, on one of the all time great relievers. He might get in as well. I don't know if Andrew Jones will get in, but we will see. This is it's you know, it's a it's a progress here as we go along. I know you have some more thoughts on this than I do, but just thought I would get mine out of the way. 00:34:00 Speaker 2: I'm gonna throw a scenario out here for you, or really just kind of a comparison. Brooks Robinson's in the Hall of Fame right. Some people call him one of the greatest third basemen ever. Brooks Robinson won an MVP for sure, and he was a phenomenal defender, but for the most of his career he was no imposing presence in the batter's box. His career OPS was seven to twenty three. He got into the Hall of Fame with ease. Scott Roland put up an eight fifty five career ops. Now, Robinson did accrue a little bit more war than Roland did in his career. Robinson was a little over seventy eight, where Roland was a little over seventy. But Roland was the much better offensive player. He hit over three hundred homers again career eight fifty five ops and Roland again seventy career war. Almost every player that's ever put up that many wins in their career gets in. The only guys who haven't either are p users or they're not eligible yet. Guys like Beltray, Scherzer, Kershaw, Greenkee and those guys will all eventually get in. I know, Scott Rowland's kind of polarizing to me. He was always a Hall of Famer, and again when you compare it to Brooks Robinson, I think that shows he deserves to be in. 00:35:22 Speaker 1: Yes, And I always say, like, there's always some really bad players in the Hall of Fame. You can go look at the Hall of Fame in some of the people's careers and you realize there's some pretty shitty players in the Hall of Fame somehow that got in, whether it be a Veterans committee or honorary or whatever. So it is what it is. Again, I just don't I don't remember watching Scott Roland play as much. You probably remember a little bit more like he's probably a Hall of Famer. It is a pretty weak class, so I don't. I don't have too much. 00:35:52 Speaker 2: There'll be a couple guys next year. Like you said, help will probably get in next year. Adrian Beltra is absolutely going to get in in his first year on the ballot next year. But to put it in even more perspective, for Roland put up one hundred and sixteen career defensive run saved and drs didn't even exist the first seven years of his career, so it could have been that much higher. He was one of the best defensive third baseman ever and there's been plenty of numbers out there over the years just to back up his case. So again, it'll be debated for a while. I think he's a Hall of Famer. I do have to get this last thing off though, before we move on. First and foremost kind of just piggyback off what you said. I agree, Billy Wagner's one of the best relievers ever. He should get in. I hope he eventually gets in. But more what I wanted to say, if you were one of the voters who has the privilege of getting to vote on the Baseball Hall of Fame, and you casted a vote for Bronson Arroyo, John Lackey or Mike Napoli, you should lose your right to vote moving forward. Because those guys each got a vote. I don't know from who. I don't know if it was hometown writers. I don't know what warranted it, but those guys got votes. And I have no idea how. 00:37:06 Speaker 1: Baseball writers are a unique group. We talk about it almost every single day with some of these ballots that come out. It's that, and it's the it's the writers who send in a blank ballot every year because they're like, well, there's like a PD user on the ballot, so I just refuse to vote. I have a fun Todd Helton stat to throw out that I saw the other day in honor that he's going to be inducted, most likely be inducted a year from now, in two thousands, uh again, just to embrace that he's going to go into the Hall of Fame. In two thousand, Todd Helton slashed three seventy two, four sixty three, six ninety eight and finished fifth in the MVP voting. 00:37:47 Speaker 2: That's crazy. What was it Barry that won that year? 00:37:52 Speaker 1: Uh? No, Barry started into let me let me click on that. Let's see. Actually, don't remember who won MVP in two thousand. Oh was Giombi? Oh, Todd Helton had a higher OPS than Jason Giambi, did I believe Let's see? Oh wait, that's al and l No, this was Jeff Kent. What a year? Oh? It went when Kent, Bonds, Piazza, Jim Edmunds, Todd Helton, and Todd Helton led the leade. Had a better batting average, on base percentage, slugging percentage, OPS, had more hits, had more RBIs, had more home runs than everyone but Barry Bonds, or at least then that was ahead of him. 00:38:35 Speaker 2: Jeff Ken's another guy I think should be a Hall of Famer, just because the second base class is not that strong these days, and he's one of the best second basemen in the history of the game. But I'm gonna stop myself here because honestly, we could do a whole Hall of Fame show. I'll let you transition us. 00:38:52 Speaker 1: So last week we missed a pretty significant trade in in you know, the offseason, which has been a pretty quiet trade market for the most part, but this was significant. Marlin said they were gonna trade Pablo Lopez, they were looking to deal them with the deadline, and they eventually send him to Minnesota. So they trade Pablo Lopez in a pair of prospects to Minnesota for Luisa Rise, who is just coming off his age twenty five season won the American League batting title. An interesting trade, good for both sides, I think, because it both addressed in need. Even though I just don't get the Marlins, just the Marlins trading blue chip talent, I don't understand that. 00:39:31 Speaker 2: I had a hard time digesting this one at first. After I gave it some time, I decided maybe it makes a little more sense. And again, I think there's arguments for both sides for keeping Lopez, for trading Lopez. If you're looking for reasons to why the Marlins did it, I think They're gonna try and rely on their young pitching depth even without Lopez, because this is an offensively challenged team. There's no doubt about it. They just went out and got the batting champ arise on the mound. Even without Lopez, you still have Sandy Alcontro just won the Cy. Young Jesu's Lozardo is four years of club control. Edward Cabrera in fourteen starts last year was pretty promising. You're still hoping both six Dos Sanchez and Max Meyer get healthy and get on the mound and live up to what their upside can be. And then Yuri Perez, who's a top ten prospect in baseball, is on the way. I'm not saying that it works out for the Marlins for sure, but if that's their logic, I do understand it. With the idea of trying to add a really good. 00:40:36 Speaker 1: Bat I think you forgot Trevor Rodgers too. Owen Rodgers, yeah, who's also pretty decent last year. And I make from the Marlins side, you think about it this way, So mention all those pictures last year offensively twenty seventh in batting average and on base percentage twenty eighth and slugging percentage twenty eighth and runs twenty seventh in walks, all things that luis a rise does very well. A line up that if you look at it, you don't say there's a person you want to keep. You're slammed, unk, untradeable, untouchable, not on the roster besides Jazz, Chisholm, not a single person besides Jazz. And you're adding a Rise to that. He's got three years of club control left, so I understand it. It's just not the kind of first basement I would really trade for, and the kind of first baseman that really impacts a game in the modern version of baseball. Luisa Rise is a throwback. He is one of a kind when it comes to first baseman, not striking out, making a ton of contact, not hitting for a lot of power. That it's a it's a rarity out of a first baseman. 00:41:47 Speaker 2: But he is valuable. I mean, he's objectively valuable. Yes, you're right. He doesn't hit the ball out of the yard like some first baseman do. But he put up four and a half wins last year, and he has three years of club control, so I do get it. Also, on Rye, it was twenty twenty one that he was really good. He actually was pretty bad last year. But to be fair, I think if you're the Marlins, you can also hope that he bounces back. So I think they feel like they have more pitching depth than they do offensive depth, and they decided, look, we need a couple more impact bats, and they went out and they got a rise. I will say on Pablo Lopez, his season was a little interesting because he was so good in the first couple of months. I mean, in the first half he put up a two eighty six ERA. Second half was nearly five. I don't know if the Marlins saw something there or not, but just thought it was something to note. 00:42:38 Speaker 1: Another thing with the Marlins organization why they had to make this trade. They don't even have any hitters in their farm system for the most part. They have Jacob Barry, who's their highest rated hitting prospect. He's barely in the top fifty and he was just drafted last year just and he was one of the more MOBI ready guys coming out of LSU. That isn't necessarily he's gonna come up and rake this year if at all. Maybe he makes you to triple A. Maybe he just stays in double A all year. Otherwise, Where the Marlins getting their hits from, I don't know. They were they driving in runs? Who were going to be the producers? Another reason you had to make this trade. 00:43:15 Speaker 2: And Barry may be a DH for his career when he eventually gets there. I saw some video the other day of him taking some ground balls and you know, it didn't look didn't look all that pretty because that was his not coming out of LSU and into the draft too. Was good bad. I don't know if he's ever going to have a position, so we'll see how that fare is going forward. But you're right, in the Marlin system there's more pitching than there is hitting, so to go get a rise, it's tough to give up Lopez, but it makes sense. Hey, remember when Pablo Lopez was a Mariner. 00:43:49 Speaker 1: I remember when David Phelps was a Mariner. 00:43:52 Speaker 2: Yeah, that went well? 00:43:54 Speaker 1: That did? That went really well? Nice job, Jerry. I'm sure Jerry thinks about that quite often. 00:43:59 Speaker 2: You know, Depoto's made some really good trades and every GM is gonna miss. So he did miss on that one. Lopez was a long way away with well shot. 00:44:07 Speaker 1: This one up is a miss. 00:44:08 Speaker 2: That is a miss. Yes, that's a miss. Okay, let's keep going here, TJ. Maybe a topic that is a topic that's a favorite of ours. Maybe no more enjoyable topic we can possibly talk up on this show. Cole Irvin traded from the A's to the Orioles this past week. Now, as a Mariners fan, it's a little sad to see Cole Irvin leave the Als. We'll get to that here in just a minute. I'm gonna I'm gonna keep everybody just on their toes for a second. I'm just gonna objectively talk about what this trade can do for the Orioles really fast, and that is objectively adding a middle of the rotation starter who was the A's best arm last year. I think with the Orioles, a rotation of Irvin, Kyle Gibson, John means when he gets back from Tommy John Kramer Bradish, it's not flashy, but it's a rotation that can compete. They'll probably be in the wild card hunt. So understandable from the Orioles perspective why the A's gave him up. Why do they give anybody up? 00:45:14 Speaker 1: Is that rotation good enough? Do you think? 00:45:17 Speaker 2: I'm not saying to win the World Series. But again, they'll be in the hunt like they were this past year. I think because their rotation is only going to get better, especially with means back. 00:45:26 Speaker 1: Hm eh, I don't think so. I think so. I don't know if there's enough upside there. I don't think so. If Grayson Rodriguez still has the highest upside of any arm in their entire system and on their major league roster. So I'm not sure that rotation itself unless Grayson Rodriguez comes in and throws one hundred and thirty dynamite innings in his rookie season after missing all of last year. So one hundred thirty innings actually seems like a stretch if that's enough. Regardless, Orioles have more arms, which is good because they didn't sign anybody in free agency when they said, yeah, we could use a free agent starter in our rotation, and they didn't sign anybody and made some very similar comments as we heard out of the Pacific Northwest two years ago. Why they didn't sign any free agents. 00:46:17 Speaker 2: Well, they brought in Kyle Gibson, which I don't know what you think you're going to get out of him at this point. He was really good in twenty one when he was with the Rangers, but it wasn't so great ever since he got to Philly. We'll see if he can rebound in Baltimore. 00:46:30 Speaker 1: And he's going to a smaller park now, well probably even I mean, both those ballparks are a pitcher's nightmare, although the Orioles did move their fences back to make it a hitter's nightmare. Because that left field wall is going to be my speaker mind till the rest of eternity. Because that ball is the stupidest fucking thing I've ever seen in my life. How you hit a ball four hundred and like fifteen feet and it stays in the park. You got me. And it's not even close to going out either. Anyways, lash he gets the fun part of this. I'm just I'm dying against this. 00:47:02 Speaker 2: Let's get to the fun part. So the A's trade cole Irven away, just like they have with every half decent player on their roster over the last few years. Cole Irvan's gone, the A's continue to implode. Let's talk about Cole Irvin, who is maybe responsible for is it fair to say the greatest self own in Mariner's history. 00:47:26 Speaker 1: Quote. Let's read the Let's read the quote that set it all off and just sent us into a frenzy so the A's lose to the Mariners in May of twenty twenty. In May of twenty twenty one, a four to three loss, Cole Irvin was asked after the game how he gave up so many hits to the Mariners that day. Quote. Bottom line is I wasn't executing, wasn't executing in two strike counts, and at the time I wasn't getting ahead. Yeah, there was a lot of weak contact and some swings that ended up being hits. But I think at the end of the day, just pitch execution needs to be a lot better, and a team like that should not be putting up ten hints ten hits against me or against anyone. I'm extremely disappointed in my efforts tonight. But now, Lyle, would you like to hear Cole Irvin's career line against the Mariners. 00:48:25 Speaker 2: Let's hear it. 00:48:28 Speaker 1: Oh and six in eight four to two ERA in twenty five and two thirds innings, he allowed forty one hits. He had sixteen strikeouts and twelve walks. Allowed a career slash win against the Mariners three fifty seven four twenty two five twenty two. Okay, let me read that again. A career slash line against the Mariners three fifty seven, four, twenty two, five twenty two. He made the Mariner it was an all Star hitter by being on the mound. 00:49:05 Speaker 2: So that adds up to a nine to forty four ops if I did the math right. Yeah, Like you get on camera in front of the media and say, yeah, a team like that should basically never have a good offensive day against any team anywhere in baseball, And what's the result at the end of twenty twenty one. This was tweeted out at the end of the year. The final time the Mariners lit up Cole Irban, and it was in the last week of the season two when Seattle needed to keep winning to fight for that playoff spot. Cole Irban put up in eight sixty nine er against the Mariners in twenty twenty one. In nineteen and two thirds innings, he gave up nineteen earned runs And that's the highest era against the Mariners of any pitcher in a single season. When you threw minimum five starts eight six'. 00:49:59 Speaker 1: Nine you think you'd back up your talk when you say some shit like, that you think you. 00:50:06 Speaker 2: Would and the best part is it carried over to twenty twenty. Two they only got to face them one. Time AND i remember you AND i were going back and forth throughout the year during Those a's series when The mariners kept Missing Cole, irvin and we're talking about this dude's ducking. Them he doesn't want to face. Them he's behind closed doors asking for starts to get skipped in the, rotation to get changed around so he can avoid. Them, finally he faced them once in twenty twenty, two and The mariners lit them up again for five earned runs in six. Innings it just doesn't. 00:50:41 Speaker 1: End and that's it's, Funny, lile because five runs and six innings sounds, bad but based on his, prior his prior production against The mariners that actually made his ear ray go. 00:50:54 Speaker 2: Down let's just hope this keeps up when he goes To. Baltimore hopefully it wasn't just An a's. Curse hopefully it's just A Cole irvin, curse and the baseball gods just don't let him. 00:51:09 Speaker 1: Go oh my, goodness thank You Cole irvin for doing us such a. Service thank. You it. Was it was really. Entertaining i'll say that. Much I've i've not had more fun watching a midweek A'S ms game in my entire life Until Cole irvin walked into. Mine, oh it was. 00:51:32 Speaker 2: Amazing all, right let's let's wrap up this. 00:51:35 Speaker 1: Segment we got a couple extensions to get To jeff McNeil got an extension four, years fifty million dollars with a team option at the end for thirteen point seventy five million dollars with The. Mets one of the best players in baseball batting champ last year three twenty six average three eighty, two on base four fifty, four slugging one forty ohops plus over five wins above replacement could have been A. Mariner so close. 00:52:02 Speaker 2: He was so so close was he was reportedly going to be packaged in that Cal Nick dunn trade that Sent cano And Edwin diaz to The Mets Brody van wagon and had no issues including. McNeil BUT i think it was until he got both fam pushback and front office pushback where he finally had to, say all, RIGHT i think we might have to pull back here and take him out of the, trade which is such a shame, because, Look i'm excited For Colton wong And Dylan, moore but if The mariners Had jeff McNeil on this, team WHO i mean talk about you could lead him off Hit julio, two be, amazing. 00:52:42 Speaker 1: And there wouldn't be any pressure On Jared. KILNICK i don't think the trade would have already been won The mariners already Would they would have won the trade in twenty nineteen When jeff McNeil hit over twenty home, runs it would have been. Instant they would have won the. Trade and Like, jared take your, time, man you can do whatever you. Want you're not the poster child of this trade. Anymore do your. Thing but The mets made a good roster. Decision, Unfortunately i'm still salty about. That i'm not going to forgive. 00:53:16 Speaker 2: THEM i am, Too and that was an easy extension for The. Mets so you said. It he's been one of the best players in, baseball especially this past. Year The mets honestly have This korea cloud hanging over their. Heads for the most, Part they've had an unbelievable off. SEASON i, mean bring Back Edwin, diaz you bring Back Brandon, nemo you extend, McNeil you Get, verlander you get CODE I. Sanga that's a really good off. Season besides the fact they're a little. Old that would be my only critiqular roster in terms of. Talent they're talented and there's a reason they won one hundred and one games last. Year they still have so much talent on the. 00:53:53 Speaker 1: Roster they have a top, five top three short stop In Francisco. Lindoor they had the top catching prospect in base spoil. THOUGH i don't Think Francisco alvarez is going to be a catcher for very. Long i'm pretty sure he's still a project behind the, plate but his bat is big league, ready and they might just throw him in there AT dh to have him hit for most of the most of the, time if that's what works for. Him so they're sitting pretty, good and you, Know Steve cohen's going to be in the market next year for one notable free agent that's gonna hit the. 00:54:21 Speaker 2: Market there's no Doubt Steve cohen might try to offer him six hundred million dollars for all we. Know but The, mets, again they made a smart. Move they extend, McNeil they keep this core. Together they're going to be. Good, okay last topic on the wrap. Round it's been a little bit of a longer wrap around this week because there wasn't as Much mariners, news but The rays made three extensions as. Well Pete, fairbanks fireballer from the right, side three years twelve million dollar, Extension Yondi, diaz one of the best bats in The raised, lineup three year twenty four million dollar. Extension And Jeffrey, springs who had a really good year on the, mound four years for thirty one million. Dollars The rays usually are not given a big, budget but they make the most of what they. 00:55:04 Speaker 1: Have that's probably all they can. Afford they. Are the only big contract they've signed Is, wander and that's a slam dunk, obviously And wander we think is going to be worth well more than that contract he signed last. Year but were these, guys especially, relievers you're just never. Sure but If Pete fairbanks can do what he did last year with the contract that he has three, years twelve million, dollars that's four million dollars a. Year he had a he had a stretch at the end of last. Year just last year, alone he had a one one three, era only pitched twenty two. Winnings he missed three months with an, injury didn't allow a run in his final twenty two winnings had a strikeout rate of forty three. Percent that's worth four million. Dollars one of the more underrated. Guys it's just one of those guys they you, know they acquire from another team that don't doesn't want, them and he was the guy he was traded For Nick. SOLAK i believe that was that that, trade and he has turned into really one of the best relievers in all of baseball and gets an, extension so it's good for the. Raise we'll have him for three more. 00:56:08 Speaker 2: Years the first TIME i really Remember Pete fairbanks standing out was that twenty twenty postseason where he was just getting up on the hill and throwing absolute gas every time out, there and he just looked. Dominant and like you, said he didn't throw a whole lot of innings this past, year but when he, did, man he was Nails Yandy diaz to get that guy for eight million bucks a year for a guy that just put up a one forty three ops plus and it has really been an offensive catalyst most of his, career really for the last five. Years to get that guy signed for another three years and to only have to pay him eight million, dollars he puts up one, war he lives up to the. Contract seems pretty pretty much a no brainer for The. 00:56:47 Speaker 1: Rais very good player on my fantasy team. Too shout out to, You, yandi very. Versatile well got oh he's got some Good yeah he. Was did not win the championship this, year. Unfortunately H that'll be a next year. Thing maybe you AND i should both make a fantasy baseball. Team, no, well we got a, well let's let's think on this. Idea but They're yanni's an everyday. Player whenever you can get a player like. That, again The rais are never going to pay market value for. Guys that's just not how they. Operate they whether the ownership can actually afford it or, Not maybe they can a little bit if they moved that stadium From Saint pete closer To, tampa WHICH i believe there were some news out On twitter this week that they would not totally. Certain we'll, we'll we'll circle back on that and check on it when it comes to actual. News but maybe they could afford a little bit more when they move it back across The bay to To. Tampa But Yanni dias an everyday, guy And Jeffrey springs as, well another very very good arm they, have and just kind of keeping the core. Together this is a team again that will win with a low budget and great pitching and good enough hitting with with a young superstar Of. 00:57:54 Speaker 2: Wanderfronco, YEAH i, mean last thing before we wrap up. HERE i, Mean Jeffrey's rings was so underrated last. Year it wasn't that talked. About at least it felt like he wasn't two forty six ninety fifth percentile and chase. Rate he misses a lot of. Bats that is a really good arm that The rays just. Extended all was a good wrap, Around. 00:58:17 Speaker 1: Lyle but as we, know It's i'm really looking forward to. This so let's speak your. Minds speak your, Mind. 00:58:24 Speaker 2: Spook that would be. Unwise what is necessary is never. 00:58:33 Speaker 1: Unwise all, Right, lyle what's on your mind this? Week? 00:58:38 Speaker 2: OKAY i have. Two the first one is a follow up from last. WEEK i watched that ninety show because they've only put out one. Season it was. GOOD i didn't know how well done it would, be but it was same, location brought a lot of the old characters. BACK i didn't have high, hopes BUT i was very pleasantly. Surprised so that was a. 00:58:58 Speaker 1: Win, WELL i still haven't watched, it BUT i. MIGHT i might thinking about. It start with That decision. Show if you do how many seasons is? 00:59:10 Speaker 2: It, well it's a, lot but you can kind of just watch it. SPORADICALLY i, mean it makes more sense if you watch it in. Order but it's kind of one of those shows where it's it's a you, know it's a, sitcom and if you watch some here and, there you'll pick up on. 00:59:23 Speaker 1: Enough i'll think about. It we'll see IF i ever get to. IT i don't. Know i'm, Mean i've been really liking my action shows. Recently go watch the last OF. 00:59:33 Speaker 2: US i am my SPE i was gonna, Say i'm. Interested i'm interested to hear what yours is going to be here BECAUSE i have won, more But i'm curious if we have the same. One so go, ahead. 00:59:45 Speaker 1: My speak your mind is Super bowl week With eagles fans low AND i will be In arizona next. Week The eagles won THE nfc championship yesterday over The niners thirty one to, seven AND i am so oh please to say after seeing the celebrations on the streets of Downtown philadelphia yesterday That lyle AND i are gonna get to go To, scottsdale get gonna get to go To, Phoenix arizona and live it up With Philadelphia eagle fans On Super Bowl week In. Arizona i'm looking forward to. 01:00:18 Speaker 2: It is The is the city gonna be destroyed before The Super bowl? Starts? 01:00:26 Speaker 1: OH i don't think. SO i think THAT'S i think that's A philadelphia city. THING i think the people that make it over AND i don't, KNOW i don't. Know there might if we go out To Old town one night and The eagles fans are already out. THERE i, mean maybe there'll be some bottles, thrown or someone gets up on the roof Of casa or high fire or something In Old. Town it'll be something like. That i'm just really looking forward to it because my energy WHEN i get, intoxicated in terms of the rest of my friend, group gets pretty up. There but to see some of These philly fans at their, PEAK i just can't get the video out of my brain where there's twenty people standing on top of a bus station in Downtown philadelphia and they weigh so much it just shatters and they all fall through it and just Peak philly. Energy and that's the ENERGY i need for next week when we'll be out of. 01:01:17 Speaker 2: TOWN i can't. Wait, okay are you ready for my second? One? HERE i was surprised you didn't have, this but my second thought on our speaker mind, segment THE nba is A broadway. Show it is a theater performance On, broadway and it was brought to life even more so this past weekend when one lebron got hacked going to the rim as the final seconds of regulation went, on there was no call and Then Patrick beverly grabs a, camera walks over to the rep shows him here is footage that you missed this, call and he gets teed. Up in what world does that? HAPPEN i, mean remember When Nelson cruz took the selfie With Joe west at The All Star. Game that was a bit that was for fun in a lighthearted. Environment could you, imagine like this is a throwback, example Because i'm trying to, throw think of guys that throw temper. Tantrups could you imagine Baseball Niger morgan bringing a camera to the plate to an umpire, saying look at this call you just. Missed now only in THE nba does that. 01:02:26 Speaker 1: HAPPEN i NEED i need a baseball player to do. That cause they have the iPads in the dugouts now to watch. Film they should do. THAT i, Mean i'm. Serious, somebody some someone gets so pissed off at the umpire they walk out and they, go, look, look look at the call you. MISSED i sent that to you On, twitter And i'm, like, like AND i, SAW i Saw Pat. Bev i'm, like there's just no way you can't tell. Me vince McMahon is not behind all of. This just tighten this all out on a keyboard saying, Okay Pat, Bev, okay you're gonna go get the camera and they're just gonna give you this three thousand dollars, camera and you're gonna walk over to the and you're gonna point at the point at the camera and tell the ref he's full of, shit and then the ref's gonna te you. 01:03:05 Speaker 3: Up it is THE wwe on. Hardwood it really. IS i mean, again you don't see that in any other. League and it was so on brand to the point people were laughing and they were, saying this is, insanity but you'd expect it. More there than anywhere else in. 01:03:28 Speaker 1: Sports that is. TRUE i love the league we. Got i'm usually not AN nba person to the playoffs, start BUT i JUST i love logging Onto twitter and just seeing the stupidest thing ever come. Up and it'll only get better as the season goes. Along shout Out Pat. Bev he's usually he when it comes To lakers. Stuff Pat bev is usually up there when it comes to, scripting scripted stuff that you'd, say h was that actually? True but you, Know Pat bev, did he did. It that is one of the best Ways i've ever seen someone get a TECHNICAL i will say. 01:04:06 Speaker 2: THAT i think it might be the best. Way it's up there with When Jason kidd purposely spilled his drink on the court to get a time out so he could drop an extra. Play But Pat, bev, man they say this league for a, reason and you took it to the. Fullest i'm with, you what what a show THE nba. Is, okay that'll just about wrap us up for this week of The Marine layer. 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