Episode 42: The Teoscar Hernandez Conundrum, Analyzing Trent Thornton, And Shohei Is Off The Market

00:00:00 Speaker 1: Welcome to episode number forty two of the Marine Layer Podcast with TJ. Matthewson and Lyle Goldstein. On today's pod, we have our Mariners storylines. Mariners make their first trade of trade deadline season. Excited to see how this ramps up as the days go along, We'll go down on the farm and pick out our standout Mariners, minor leaguer, all the regulars with our MLB wrap around, Russell Wilson Umpire of the Week, and we'll close out the show with Speak Your Mind. 00:00:28 Speaker 2: As always, a reminder, if you're listening on our audio platforms, make sure check us out on YouTube. Head over to YouTube, hit subscribe, turn the notification bells on, like comment, do all that stuff. If you're listening on YouTube and watching on YouTube, check outs check us out on the audio platforms too, Apple, Spotify, Google, Amazon, Go follow us, Go download our episodes, give us a five star review. It helps us out big time. As always, you want to follow us on social media as well, which we do a bunch of unique stuff there Instagram, TikTok, Twitter, YouTube shorts at Marine Layer Pod. 00:01:01 Speaker 1: Let's get it rolling and we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Layer podcast, part of the Just Baseball Podcast Network, recording here on Thursday, July twenty seventh. And I've come to the conclusion, Aisle, that we are major jinxes. 00:01:30 Speaker 2: Oh, we totally jinks Julio in the most positive way between our conversation with Matt what we talked about for Wednesday's show. 00:01:37 Speaker 3: We totally jink them. 00:01:38 Speaker 2: Because here he goes in that Twins series, he hits three homers in two days. So shout out us, shout out the Marine Layer Pod. If you need a jinx, if there's somebody on the Mariners that you think needs to turn things around, send it our way. We'll say something here on the pod will jink them. We'll do the reverse jinks and then they can turn it around and start going off. Remember how last year, Remember how last year how Trevor for John Boy pronounced the Mariners dead and then they ripped off fourteen in a row. That's just our version of it right here. 00:02:07 Speaker 1: I think. So we did beg Trevor when we met him at the All Star Game watch party with John Boy that to please pronounce the Mariner's dead, and he wouldn't do it. He just flat out wouldn't do it. So we did think we had to take things into our own hand. I'm disappointed. I forget the exact caption that Julio put on his latest Instagram post where he was it was something about struggles or whatever. I'm disappointed there was no credit of the Marine Layer Pod in there. It's like, thank you guys for doubting me, and I turned it around just. 00:02:36 Speaker 2: For you, Julio said in his latest Instagram post. You might see me struggle, but you'll never see me quit. 00:02:45 Speaker 1: Thank you at Marine Layer Pod. Go follow them for all their great Mariners content. 00:02:50 Speaker 2: Julio said, it not us well in this alternate in this alternate reality that we're throwing out there. 00:02:55 Speaker 1: So is that caption more? Is that caption more along the lines of that tweet or or that x or whatever you want to call it now where it's like quarterback tweet, running back tweet, tight end tweet, wide receiver tweet? Is that a wide receiver tweet or caption Instagram post? 00:03:12 Speaker 2: I feel like that's more of a quarterback tweet. And you'll see quarterbacks talk about that when they're going through a rough patch. They'll say something like that, like you're never gonna see quitting me, I'm gonna give it my all. I feel like that's along the lines of what Julio's doing. He's the quarterback of this team. I don't know who would give the wide receiver quote on this team. For those who don't know the reference, there's a tweet out there saying every NFL position tweets differently, that the quarterback always tweets something inspirational and that I forget what the standard is for the running backs and the tight ends, but the joke is wide receivers are always tweeting something that's stirring things up on social media, Like what if it speaks proudly and hold the knife that I gets, yeah. 00:03:52 Speaker 1: Right, Like the enemy moves silently with the knight and with the knife in the darkness or something something like that. And if Julia were to do that, he'd how would he reframe that if he was a wide receiver, like like the haters move move in the dark behind you, and and I prove them wrong or something like that. Keep hating something like that. 00:04:13 Speaker 2: Except I think Julio's the quarterback of this team, so I don't think it's him that's going to put out the wide receiver quote. The question is who on this team would put out the wide receiver quote. 00:04:23 Speaker 1: If George Kirkpy was more social I would say. 00:04:25 Speaker 2: Him, maybe him, Maybe kell Nick would do it. 00:04:32 Speaker 3: There's not that many. I feel like. 00:04:33 Speaker 1: Jared's more of a running back. Yeah, those along those running back lines cryptic. 00:04:41 Speaker 2: Well, I just think about remember again, and as we've talked about on the show, you know, I'm a kell Knick stan you know, I'm a fan of his game. You know, I think he's one of the most misunderstood players in baseball. We talked about that on just a couple of shows ago. But if we're just talking about cryptic tweets, remember in twenty twenty, he had that one post that just said because he wasn't happy that he didn't get called up during the COVID season. 00:05:03 Speaker 3: That's kind of a wide receiver quote. 00:05:05 Speaker 1: Was He's evolved though, from a wide receiver to a running back, which if he was in the NFL for his paycheck, that would be awful. But in terms of baseball, in terms of the messaging he's putting out on social media, I would say that's along the lines of a good evolution. I feel like it's kind of hard to find a true wide receiver level of cryptic messaging among any player in Major League Baseball, like the drama and culture would say a baseball is significantly toned down. 00:05:35 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe the only ones could have been if Brian Reynolds had put out a social media post right when he requested a trade that was some cryptic line, or if Jack Peterson or Tommy Famm had posted something right after they got punched in the face over fantasy football and with thrown shade at one or the other. That's about the drama that goes on in baseball. There is nowhere near the level of drama on the diamond that happens in the NFL or in the NBA. 00:05:58 Speaker 1: Now what if Antonio brand decided to start playing baseball, then we would get some some cryptic, some cryptic tweets, say here, he's got a lot of free time nowadays. 00:06:07 Speaker 2: Isn't he busy owning an Arena Football League team that's about to go broke? 00:06:12 Speaker 1: Didn't they evict him from ownership because he wasn't paying He wasn't paying anybody? 00:06:18 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he he would give some good quotes and tweets if he played baseball, although I don't think he'd lasts very long in Major League Baseball. 00:06:27 Speaker 1: No, I don't think so either. It is a it is a fun exercise to think about, but that just kind of shows you just the dulled down personalities of a lot of a lot of baseball player and it makes sense for such a such an old and I would say traditional sport. 00:06:41 Speaker 2: If you're listening to this and you have a take on who you think on the Mariners would put out wide receiver quotes, send it to us, You can DM it to us, reply to any of our tweets, let us know, participate in the exercise with us. Who on this Mariners team is putting out cryptic wide receiver level tweets or Instagram posts? 00:06:59 Speaker 3: Let us know. 00:07:01 Speaker 1: Let's get to our Mariners' storylines. The Mariner's kicked off the trade deadline acquisition flurry, we hope by trading for a reliever Lole. This is the second dfaid reliever they have traded for in the last month. Are you excited. 00:07:17 Speaker 2: More than the last one? So they acquire Trent Thornton. He's a right handed reliever from the Blue Jays. It was a low cost move for the Mariners. They give up Mason McCoy in return, who we saw a lot of in spring training. We thought early in the season he might get called up. Instead it was Jose de Cabierro and the rest is history. So he goes back to the Blue Jays. But for a guy that was dfaid, just looking at his stuff, you know, there's something I. 00:07:43 Speaker 3: Can buy there. 00:07:44 Speaker 2: I watched some highlights of what he was throwing out of that right hand, and oh boy, it's it's interesting. 00:07:51 Speaker 1: His stuff spins a lot. His fastball spin is in the top eleven percent of baseball. His curveball spin is I think ninety ninety seventh percentile. It's it's way up there. I mean, he really spins the baseball. The problem is he just wasn't getting very many results with it. Is expected era last season, when he pitched a full season forty six innings in the Blue Jays, bullpen was over five and striking out under twenty percent of batters. So the stuff might have not been utilized a lot, and maybe he does end up just being a triple A arm because he can't control it. He is already twenty nine, and sometimes if you figure stuff out, you had figured it out by twenty nine. But there is some intrigue there when you you know, not too many guys spin the ball like that. When you're in the top ten ten percent of doing something, that leaves the door open to some improvement there. So we'll see, you know, what happens with this. It's going to be intriguing and some more depth in that bullpen. 00:08:50 Speaker 2: When the Mariners trade for a reliever, my eyes always widened because I. 00:08:55 Speaker 3: Pay attention to it. 00:08:56 Speaker 2: As we know, if there's anything the Mariner's approved over the last three years, they just pump out relievers like nobody's business. Look at justin Topa, Toba. Didn't have many results on a big league mound before this season. The Mariners bought what he was throwing, and now he's turned into one of the best relievers in that bullpen. 00:09:13 Speaker 3: Now. 00:09:13 Speaker 2: I think the same can be applied here with Thornton, because when you look at that stuff, it's not just that curve ball spin. It's not just the sweeper that he throws. It's a really good pitch. You watch that fastball and it's got ridiculous arm side run. There was a couple highlights that I watched with him throwing that fastball that was just moving. 00:09:28 Speaker 3: Like a whiffle ball. 00:09:29 Speaker 2: Now he's going to start in Tacoma, and we'll see if he gets up at any point this year, next year, whatever you may have it. But I am always intrigued when the Mariners acquire a bullpen arm because when they do it says to me they see something that screams effective reliever. 00:09:46 Speaker 1: It'd be interesting to see how they would utilize his pitch mix, because it seemed like the Blue Jayson in the brief time he was in the big leagues. This year just five and a third innings adjusted his I would say pitch mix this His sweeper, which he threw nearly thirty eight percent of the time in twenty twenty two, dropped it down to nineteen percent of the time. His curveball, which we highlighted the spin is fantastic on that pitch, jumped it up seven percent from fifteen percent to twenty two percent. That sinker with the arm side run he only threw a four percent of the time in twenty twenty two, but jumped it up to seventeen percent in twenty twenty three. And that brief little expenditure in the big leagues. So that's now throwing those three pitches pretty much equal amount of the time, while throwing his fastball nearly the same amount at thirty eight percent. I'd be interested to see what the Mariners think of that arsenal if there's anything they would tweak there in something they want him throwing significantly more. But that's why they test it out in Tacoma. 00:10:40 Speaker 2: If I were a betting man, I can tell you exactly what they're going to tell him to grow more of. It's the same thing they tell all the right handed relievers that throw more of throw more sweepers. That's what they tell all their rities, throw more sweepers, and it seems to work. 00:10:52 Speaker 3: So we'll see what he does in Tacoma. 00:10:53 Speaker 2: But if I had to guess, you're gonna see Trent Thornton throwing more sweepers than a Marina's uniform and a Rainier's uniform. 00:11:00 Speaker 1: And I probably think more sinkers too, along the lines of pretty much everyone else but Paul Seawald throwing something that is going to induce soft contact on the ground. 00:11:09 Speaker 3: Correct. 00:11:10 Speaker 2: So we'll see what he does again. He may be a nothing burger. He may be really good. When the Mariners trade for a bullpen arm I always pay attention because you just never know. Second storyline here as we approach the deadline, the Mariners have not made any significant trades yet. The three guys that have been talked about in terms of could they potentially get moved Paul Sewald, Tom Murphy, Taoscar Hernandez. Now we talked about sea Wald on our Wednesday show. You can go check that out. Tom Murphy, we'll see he's a free agent at the end of the year. 00:11:44 Speaker 3: But we're gonna. 00:11:44 Speaker 2: Highlight Taoscar Hernandez here because they have an interesting decision to make, which is do they keep Taoscar around and if they do, does that inspire him to potentially re sign here next winner? 00:11:57 Speaker 1: Should they keep him around? Yes, because I still Bill think this team could potentially make a run, So trading away one of your three starting outfielders seems like a poor decision making on that part. Second of all, I was trying to think about this. Can you name a player who was traded away at the deadline, hit free agency and then returned to the team that traded him. I can think of one, the rold As Chapman in twenty sixteen, he went from the Yankees to the Cubs hit free agency. The brilliance of Brian Cash from this is one of his better moves. Gets glaber Torres back from the Cubs and then gets Chapman to sign back in the offseason. So he gets both Chapman under a long term contract and glaber Torres on that twenty seventeen Yankee team, which turned out to be pretty good and led to a pretty good three year stretch of Yankee baseball. But that's kind of what I thought about. And I don't know if I can think of anyone else who got traded away at the deadline and then re signed with that same team in the off season. It doesn't happen very often. 00:13:01 Speaker 2: And it's because what the message sends to the player is, well, maybe you don't believe in me, So it's not going to motivate them to go sign with the team that just traded them away. Even as much as Taoscar has been accoladd and kind of brought into this clubhouse and has gelled right with the entire team since the day he got here, which is awesome, the club trades him away. 00:13:22 Speaker 3: He's not going to be motivated. 00:13:24 Speaker 2: Along with the fact that say they decide to trade them, Are they really getting a return package that's going to help anytime in the near future. I don't think whatever they're getting back for Taoscar Hernandez is moving the needle. 00:13:36 Speaker 1: Not only is a rental, but his stock is as low as possible. So you just kind of you look at that and you're probably not getting all that much back, and then you can think of it in the future sense of, well, who's been playing right field next year? I have a list of free agent outfielders, Lyle, Are you jumping up and down for any of Jock Peterson, Michael Cafordo potentially player option, Charlie Blackman, Cody Bellinger mutual option, probably too expensive, Mark Canna, Michael Brantley, Hunter, Renfro, Joey Gallo, Randon Ritchick Key k Hernandez potentially, and or Kevin Kiermeier. 00:14:09 Speaker 3: Like no, if you're gonna throw JD. 00:14:13 Speaker 2: Martinez or Jorge Selaira into the mix, I would say they are not outfielders. They're dhs because here's where the outfield stands next. Here, once the offseason begins, Julio and Kellniker penciled in, you've got two outfielders there is a gaping hole once tay Oscar hits free agency at that third spot. Now you could say Kate Marlow, you could say Taylor Tremmel. I like both of those guys. I think they're probably more fourth outfielders. You could say Jonathan class A. I would say for a team that is in a contention window, to throw that on a rookie that still has some developing to do, clearly in double A by looking at his numbers is not a smart business decision. So that leaves a spot that you have to go sign and from everybody you just named. No, I don't think any of those guys are an upgrade over Taoscar Hernandez. I would rather just get Tao back because, Okay, I don't know if it's values at an all time low, especially since he's started to hit a little bit better recently. It's not as low as it was in April and May, but it's also not the level that it was in Toronto where you're getting that much of a haul back. I also believe that he's going to turn it around next year, even more so to what he more so to what he's done since June and on, because that's more the Taoscar Hernandez that's established himself as one of the really good power hitters in this league. 00:15:27 Speaker 1: If you don't want Taoscar Hernandez on this team next year, then I would understand your reasoning for wanting to trade him. I know there's a big contingent of Mariner fans who are okay letting him walk. And I understand that his offensive profile not necessarily one that age is great, a lot of power, not a whole lot of plate discipline, and it's just kind of it's kind of a one trick pony at the plate with with the discipline numbers and the swing decisions and making contact in the zone and all these and all these other things. And I understand that. But yeah, as of right now, I think the best option for the Mariners in the outfield next year is having Taoscar Hernandez out there. So in that retrospect, I think it benefits both the team this year and the team next year to keep him on the roster through the deadline. 00:16:15 Speaker 2: There's just nobody in that outfield group that really stands out and says that this is an upgrade. The one guy you can talk about, And I thought we'd dive in just a little bit. Here is Cody Bellinger, who's having a really good year. He's about to hit free agency. He took that one year deal and gambled on himself with the Cubs. He's about to get big money now. I don't know who it's going to be from. He's going to get a big contract because of this year, and personally, I do not want it to be from the Mariners because there has just been too much inconsistency throughout his career where I look at him and say I am comfortable giving him a lot of money to make a consistent impact on this team. No, I'd rather just let him go somewhere else and bring Taoscar back. 00:16:53 Speaker 1: Would you rather pay ta Oscar five for ninety or Cody? What's kind of contract? Is he going to get five for one hundred and twenty one hundred and thirty. 00:17:03 Speaker 2: I don't think tay Oscar's getting five for ninety at this point. I think I think his deal would be similar to what Mitch Haniger gets, except the Oscar's on the field more and probably plays a little bit better defense. I think you'll see tay Oscar get a contract somewhere along the lines of three years from forty five to fifty million dollars. And if that's the case, yeah, I'm bringing him back. If I'm the Mariners, I think that's reasonable. 00:17:25 Speaker 4: M H. 00:17:25 Speaker 1: I think Cody's like net value is probably somewhere like a little bit like take fifteen percent off what he's doing right now, and that's probably where Cody's at. But the thing Cody does well he plays unbelievable defense. He is a supreme defender. He's better in the outfield than Tioscar. We've seen Taioscar have his fair share of gaffs in right field this season despite it being an overall net positive in the outfield, and the upside is just frankly higher. The dude has an MVP, Like we're gonna we're not gonna take that away from him. He did win National League MVP in twenty nineteen. He does have that upside in him. And that's why I think, you know, especially if you miss out on that big two way guy, a big splash like Cody Balanser, wouldn't be a wouldn't be a terrible decision if you firmly believe that Taoscar Hernandez will not age well and you would rather try something else. 00:18:18 Speaker 2: I just can't get over the eighty ops plus that he put up just a season ago, along with the forty four ops plus and one sixty five average five forty two ops that he put up in twenty twenty one. I know he's turned it around this year, and I know he has an MVP in his back pocket, but I cannot ignore what happened the two seasons prior. That, to me is just too much inconsistency and downward play to hand a guy twenty million dollars where you know for the most part what you'll get from Taoscar Hernandez and in the next three years. I don't think he's just gonna fall off if that's the deal he gets. So if I'm the Mariners, I am not trading him, And personally I feel a little bit safer with bringing back Tao then gambling on Bellinger. 00:19:02 Speaker 1: I do think again, like a nice happy medium of Cody Bellinger in between what he's doing this year and what he did. Let's say, because that the numbers you put up the two previous years are astronomically low, so I would bring it up a little bit, so somewhere halfway between the number, the low numbers that's brought up a little bit and the numbers he's doing right now, which again is good, it's not as MVP level, but there is definitely some value in Cody Bellinger, and I think the market is going to agree with that decision, and that's why there's going to be some bidding on him. And frankly that might be that's probably the reason alone with the Mariners wouldn't get Cody Bellinger eight because convincing him to come here would be difficult, and unfortunately, the Mariners don't really get in a bidding war for players, and that's been pretty eminent the last couple of off seasons that they just will not do that. And whether it works or whether it doesn't, you know, that's to everyone's belief. 00:19:58 Speaker 2: I think you might also be low balling what his contract could be because when you look at this class of outfielders, he's going to be the best one and his services will be in high demand. So in that sense, when you combine that between the fact he's having an unbelievable year this year ops over nine hundred ops plus is one forty one, so he's forty one percent better than league average, plays good defense or very good defense, and is only going to be in his age twenty eight season. Next year, you could be looking closer to six for one twenty to one thirty rather than the five for close to one hundred that you were talking about. I think that price could be jumped up for Bellinger in the off season, and that's why if it's that versus three for forty five for Tioscar, roughly, I think I'm signing with the idea of bringing Tao back and then, as we all know, this is a conversation itself, but spend a billion dollars on that two way guy. 00:20:51 Speaker 1: It's interesting. I think this is a conversation conversation we should poker for the offseason because I'm sure we'll have some uh some time we need to fill. And I think this is a very very valid discussion when it comes to filling that outfield hole next season, because, as a stands to Oscar, no matter what we'll be aw we'll be a free agent in the off season. All right, Well, let's go down on the. 00:21:11 Speaker 4: Farm this fall, stream your favorites and discover more with Disney Plus Hulu and ESPN Plus together. Watch the highly anticipated new season of Loki and see the ghost materialize in Haunted Mansion on Disney Plus. Catch more frights with The Boogeyman, an American horror story delegate, on Hulu and on ESPN Plus. Get into the action with college football and NFL. All of these and more streaming now. Get the Disney Bundle with plans starting at nine to ninety nine a month, plans with ESPN Plus starting at fourteen ninety nine a month. Terms apply. See Diisney Bundle dot com for details. 00:21:57 Speaker 1: Who you got this week. 00:22:00 Speaker 2: Little bit different? It is not a young gun. It's somebody that's just gotten back and healthy, and I wanted to highlight him because. 00:22:05 Speaker 3: We are fans of his. 00:22:06 Speaker 2: Mariners fans are fans of his, and I'm really happy to see him get back out on a mountain. It's Casey Sadler. So he's made a couple outings in the Arizona Complex League. He's made a couple outings now with the evertt Aqua Sox in Hya. He just got activated to the Tacoma Rainiers roster a day or two ago because he is signed to a minor league deal. Now his first few outings have not been great, which is probably what's expected. He is coming back from major shoulder surgery and he's had a few setbacks. But just to see him get back out on the mound, I think it's awesome. He's an easy guy to root for. We know when he's at his best, he has great stuff, and overall, I'm just happy for him. I hope he figures it out and gets back to at least some form of what he used to be. 00:22:48 Speaker 1: Yeah, we did talk in the offseason that could he actually be a part of this Bullpens. It's a conversation that might be a little more realistic if he's still in the organization next season. I don't know. This season, I feel like there might be a couple guys they might rely upon a little more, especially if they were going to give Perlander Burrow another shot. I feel like that's his spot, along with what they could potentially do with the deadline. As we know, good deadline relievers aren't all that expensive, so that kind of leaves Casey Sadler in a bit of a predicament. And he also really just hasn't pitched much over the last year and a half. He's got a lot of time to get back and a lot of feel to get back, which will be interesting. But we're rooting for him, we really are, and he's gonna get the tough test of pitching in the PCL, thankfully, though he is a sinkerballer. How about Emerson Hancock, Lyle, Emerson went into the All Star Break with his worst outing in the season. He pitched an inning and two thirds and gave up nine earned runs. Since then, he pitched thirteen consecutive shutout innings, four hits, allowed fourteen strikeouts and one walk. I mean, it seems like the break did its job because Emerson came back with arguably his best two game stretch of the season. And as the Mariners are gonna push to a six man rotation here in August to try and lighten the load of innings on Bryce Miller and Brian wu they don't acquire a starter, it very well might be Emerson Hancock, who gets his first taste of big league baseball and he's peaking at the right time in the minor leagues to do so. 00:24:20 Speaker 2: Who would the other options even be. Maybe Tommy Malone, maybe Darren mccackin. But if you're going for upside and you're serious about winning, it feels like it has to be Emerson. 00:24:28 Speaker 3: Hancock. 00:24:29 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would think so, or someone you trade for. You guys, I mean, we've seen like a number five starter would be pretty valuable to this team if they were to trade for one. 00:24:40 Speaker 2: If they have not traded for a starter by the Monday deadline, and if Marco Gonzalez does not get back in the near future, feels like it's gonna be Emerson now. The only thing I will say is his numbers at Dicky Stephens Park, where the Arkansas Travelers play their home games, is much better than his numbers on the road. 00:24:56 Speaker 3: Maybe that's something to take. 00:24:57 Speaker 2: Into account, but overall, I think he's getting closer and closer to get in his first taste of the big league action. Like you just said, I just think with the year he's had this year, where I know there's been some ups and downs, but there's been a lot of positive in his season, the stuff he brings and the upside he has, just feels like that may be the play over going with mccacken and Malone. 00:25:20 Speaker 1: Thankfully, his big league team plays in the park with the lowest park factor for hitters in baseball, so you know, a bit of a similar circumstance there. If you went down to Dicky Stevens Park, I'm sure it would rate similar across all all the ballparks in the Texas League. 00:25:38 Speaker 3: For sure. 00:25:39 Speaker 2: And again, I hope he gets a shot. I'd be excited to see him. I think he could help this ball club. I think he could help manage the innings of Wu and Miller and then man this whole stable young pitchers would all be up in the big leagues together, which would be pretty cool to see Logan, Kirby, Hancock, Miller Wu all pitching in a rotation. 00:25:57 Speaker 3: I mean that right. 00:25:58 Speaker 2: There is a sign that what the mayor are doing with drafting and developing arms is working. 00:26:03 Speaker 1: That's a dream for any front office really, to see pitchers picked in four consecutive drafts all pitching in your rotation at the same time. But that just doesn't happen very often. You don't get the volume of arms, especially all starters, of volume of arms up in the rotation at the same time. But it's possible, it's very possible. 00:26:26 Speaker 2: Let's transition to our MLB wrap around here. We've got a couple of storylines to touch on the first one. It was a busy weekend in Cooperstown this past weekend. Hall of Fame inductions going on. Scott Roland, Fred McGriff both get their moment in the spotlight. 00:26:43 Speaker 3: Pretty cool for both those guys. 00:26:45 Speaker 1: It is, and especially for Fred McGriff who got voted in by the Veterans Committee after falling off the ballot for ten years of not getting in from the Baseball Writers Association, you know, thinking lyle, I did forget to ask Matt Culkins the feelings he felt when he posted his Hall of Fame ballot on his Twitter account in in December. I love getting a good picture of a Hall of Fame about anyways, back to back to this subject. It is really good for both of them, two very very very good baseball players. Scott Roland one of the best defenders of all time at third base, and it's good to see them, you know, and rolling two kind of similar of Fred McGriff that you know, he on the first ballot, he got ten yeah, ten point two percent, the lowest percentage on a first ballot for a guy who eventually got in the Hall of Fame. It's pretty impressive. So it's a good that his image got a rehab done. The bat a little bit more now they're both Cooper's town bound. 00:27:47 Speaker 2: I got to ask a follow up question, Matt has a Hall of Fame vote. 00:27:51 Speaker 3: I didn't know that. 00:27:52 Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, he posted on his Twitter account. And I love the running joke of like like the euphoria that baseball writer feel when they're able to snap a picture of their ballot and say, look who I left out of the Hall of Fame this year. And I think that would have been appropriate for Matt. It's like, Okay, Matt, did you feel a sense of pride by saying, yeah, we're I'm leaving all of these guys out of the Hall of Fame this year? 00:28:15 Speaker 3: If we have him back on that'll that'll have to be a follow up question. 00:28:18 Speaker 2: Yeah, if you vote for the Hall of Fame, you should be required to have your vote be public. I think it's ridiculous that it's not. And if people are not voting for Ken Griffy Junior, like the three people whoever they are that did not vote for him, you should have to show your face and say I did not vote for him. Here's why I think it's ridiculous at this point that writers don't have to post their ballots. 00:28:40 Speaker 1: And there should be a minimum number of votes you're required to cast. I believe Matt only did two. I'd have to recheck on that, but I believe he only checked two boxes on his ballot. My favorite ballots are the ones that get sent in blank and it's like, I'm taking a stand. So you really showed him, didn't you. 00:28:57 Speaker 2: We need Barry Bonds and Roger Clements to get grandfathered in, not just because they deserve it, but the discourse on Twitter of all these old boomer writers who would be screaming and complaining about it would just be popcorn worthy material. I would grab a bucket of popcorn, sit down on my couch, kick my feet up, and just scroll Twitter for probably an hour straight and see all the people complaining. 00:29:20 Speaker 1: I'm curious, who else you think is going to get in after this? Todd Helton I think is going to eventually get in. He's at seventy two percent on the ballot. He's got a very interesting case. Billy Wagner's at sixty eight percent, Andrew Jones at fifty eight percent. I'm honestly kind of on the train that Andrew Jones might not be a Hall of Famer after seeing a bit of a breakdown of his career now a little bit before my time, So getting a little bit of a breakdown of Andrew Jones kind kind of makes sense to me. A Rod's in the mid thirties, he's not going to get in, man, he's not going to get in. Those are Hall of Fame caliber players who got busted for pedes. So that's kind of kind of understandable. But as our listeners know, Leonar and big favor of having a steroid wing in the Hall of Fame, like, let them have their own chapter, like they cheated, Yes, put them in the put them in their own way. 00:30:08 Speaker 2: The Hall of Fame is meant to tell a story, and you're leaving some of the best players to ever play this game out of the biggest story of the bigger picture story of Major League Baseball. 00:30:17 Speaker 1: Like history museum, History museum. 00:30:22 Speaker 2: You can't have a history museum and say, oh, the guy that hit the most home runs of all time, Yeah, we pretend like he doesn't exist. Oh that guy Roger Clemens that won seven Cy Young's, We're gonna pretend like he doesn't exist too. 00:30:34 Speaker 3: It's ridiculous. 00:30:35 Speaker 1: Do they leave certain figures out of World War Two museums because they didn't like him? No, no, nope, it's a history of this. Tell us a story now. 00:30:46 Speaker 2: I will say I think Helton gets in eventually. I think there's two guys that'll be new on next year's ballot that will have a shot to get in first ballot. Well, I think Beltray's a lock, so he's one of the new ones. Adrian Beltray will absolutely be a first ballot Hall of Famer. Joe, I would argue, is a first ballot Hall of Famer. I'm not sure he gets in on the first ballot. It may take him a few tries, but I absolutely think he is eventually a Hall of Famer. The guys that are on the ballot right now that haven't gotten in probably helped. 00:31:12 Speaker 1: Like you said, yeah, Billy Wagner maybe. 00:31:14 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Billy Wagner, I think should get into. He's one of the best relievers ever. Last thing here on McGriff I guess I haven't given my two cents on him yet. You touched on Roland Fred McGriff I always thought was a Hall of Famer and didn't really get the respect he deserved for a long time. I mean, the guy had six top ten MVP finishes, just Shy at twenty five hundred hits. Just Shy a five hundred homers. He also had a nine hundred ops or better in eight different seasons. If you saw that today, out of any player, you'd say he's a Hall of famer. McGriff was a little bit before our time, like just a little bit. We didn't get to see him in his prime. But you put up numbers like that, I think that's a Hall of Fame player. 00:31:52 Speaker 1: That is true. That is true, all right. Next up on our docket here on the MLB Wrap round, this is kind of a combo one. We're gonna go down to Orange County and focus on the Angels. In the combined stretch of twenty four hours, the Angels announce that Shoho Tani is off the market at the trade deadline, and then they go swing a deal for Ronaldo Lopez and Lucas Gioledo. Their buyers, Doug, they're trying to make the playoffs. 00:32:21 Speaker 2: They're trying. I can't stop laughing at that. John Haymond tweet. By the way, after the trade yesterday where he says Angels are now clearly. 00:32:29 Speaker 3: Buyers, Like, yeah, yeah, they are. 00:32:33 Speaker 2: They just made a trade for a guy that's on a rental in Lucas Giolito and Ronaldo Lopez. Yes they are buyers, like, thank you, Captain obvious. 00:32:41 Speaker 1: A rental like Giolito has been pretty much lee average this year as a starting pitcher, So a league average starting pitcher that's a rental and a reliever for the Angels. Number two and three prospects, one of them being in the top one hundred, which is the catcher whose name I don't have up right now, but he logo hot. 00:33:00 Speaker 3: I mean he was in the big leagues this year and then he got hurt. 00:33:02 Speaker 1: No, it was the other one. 00:33:03 Speaker 2: Oh you're talking about who just got traded, yes, Caro, Yeah. 00:33:08 Speaker 1: Right him. He was like number fifty five, I think in the pipeline top one hundred, but very intro. That's a bit of a high price for the Angels, and they already have, via fangrafts, the twenty ninth ranked farm system in baseball, and they say they're going to keep buying them, just not sure what exactly they're going to trade to go get something for show hey, and if that's really enough to make up the ground in the wild card, that is that is necessary. Their biggest edition would probably be getting Mike Troutback, who is still working his way back. Last week he got his stitches out of his hand when he after he broke his Handmai bone a couple months ago. So that's interesting. It'll be something to keep an eye on. And I think the other next biggest edition will be Anthony Rendo not coming back. 00:33:52 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So the two guys that were sent back, just to give people the full names, Edgar Carrow, twenty year old catcher he's in Double A, and then Bush left handed pitcher who's also in Double A. Those were the angels number two and three prospects. Now their farm system sucks, but those were their number two and three prospects that they just sent back for two rental pieces. 00:34:11 Speaker 3: I gotta say too. 00:34:13 Speaker 2: Lucas Giolito has not been in his peak form in twenty twenty three. He's been pretty whatever. His era sits around four. His peripherals aren't great. They're not trading for half a season of Zach Grenk or whoever the way the Astros did when they went and got him in twenty nineteen when Granky was still pitching really well. This feels like a middle of the rotation starter that maybe moves the needle slightly, and a reliever in Rinaldo Lopez, who's been good in the past but same thing, is not having some all star season this year and maybe fits in in the middle innings. Maybe they try to use him in the seventh or eight. This isn't really moving the needle for me in terms of trying to go out and buy pieces to win. Yes, it's a buying move. I don't know how much it's gonna do, especially when you're already four and a half out of the wild Card. 00:35:01 Speaker 1: Sounds like an Angel starter to me. 00:35:04 Speaker 2: Sounds like an Angel starter, so they're gonna buy. And there's talks about them trying to trade for Jamer Candelario too. But if they missed the playoffs, they just took a big swing and a miss, and I think it is gonna have effects on them for a long time. 00:35:21 Speaker 1: And I thought it was interesting that Arty Moreno took show Hey off the market with five days. How many days we got We have now four days, essentially four whole days remaining until the deadline. You never I feel like you don't want to show your hand that early. You want to, like if someone absolutely blows you away with an offer for show, Hey, I mean, how do you say no to that? Is, if you firmly don't believe he won't if you won't resign now, ARTI Moreno doesn't exactly have a track record of having everything buttoned up and understanding everything, So perhaps he just saw a way over this. But what if someone offered you the whole of a lifetime for show. Oh, that could really turn around your organization, and you instead decide to go out get a bunch of rentals, just a fall three games short of the playoffs, and then all of a sudden, Otani's out the door and Mike Trout has left with a baron roster around him. And then he's like you said, like, looks around and says, you know what, I think I'm done here. 00:36:21 Speaker 2: So let's just parlay what you said and bring back what I was talking about the end, saying I think this is gonna have effects on the Angels for a long time, because they're going all in somewhat to try and buy pieces if they missed the playoffs. 00:36:36 Speaker 3: This year. 00:36:37 Speaker 2: We know Otani's gone. He might be gone even if they make the first round of the playoffs and lose. So if Otani's gone, you have dumped your farm system. You're not drafting and developing well. That leaves you with what Mike Trout now, You could have gone and gotten four top one hundred prospects for Otani something like that, or two to three top one hundred prospects and young big leaguer with actual upside for Otani. You decided not to do that. I gotta tell you, if this goes how we think it's gonna go, which is Angels missed the playoffs, Otani walks in free agency, how in the world is Mike Trout not requesting a trade at that point? Because this team for the next at least five years is in big trouble and they're not gonna be doing anything remotely close to competing. I think if this all goes down the drain, Trout's requesting a trade and the Angels are gonna be winning about sixty games a year. 00:37:30 Speaker 1: We're gonna be talking about a franchise that had two of the greatest players to ever grace Planet Earth on their team at the same time, combine to make the playoffs zero times, and in Trout's entire over decade long career with the Angels, they will have appeared in three playoff games and lost all of them. What a resume, good job, Arty. 00:37:55 Speaker 2: Could you imagine what people in the basketball world would talk about if Lebron and Kevin Durant, both in their primes, played seven years together or right, win to know, Tony get here, what' so eighteen nineteen, twenty twenty one, twenty two. Yeah, okay, five years together, six years, six years, six years together and missed the playoffs every single year. There would be people standing up on their desk and screaming. 00:38:18 Speaker 1: It's not a perfect comparison, though, because basketball Kevin Durant and Lebron can shoot the ball every time down the court. Show hey can only bat one of nine times and pitch one of every six times. 00:38:28 Speaker 2: It's not a perfect embarrassing, but I think it is a comparison in the sense of you didn't make the playoffs once, one time, one time with those two. 00:38:38 Speaker 1: Yeah, organizational malpractice, that's what that is. I can confidently say that, Well. 00:38:45 Speaker 2: At least Anthony Rendon is gonna be a fun guy to have in the clubhouse for the next few years when they're gonna be really bad. 00:38:50 Speaker 1: I think what we found out the most during the stretch is how much of a of a d bag Anthony Rendon actually is. I mean, overpaid, injured, mediocre when he's on the field, and also just an asshole. 00:39:04 Speaker 2: What when he tried to fight that A's fan in the stands that didn't That didn't send a message to you that he's a guy that everybody wants in their clubhouse. 00:39:12 Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder. I wonder if we got Trout off the record and ask him what he actually thinks of Rendon, and I'd be curious to hear that doesn't sound like doesn't sound like Anthony Rendon gets a glowing rep from any of the Angels beat writers that cover him on a day to day basis. 00:39:27 Speaker 2: That seems in big trouble. If they make the playoffs, good for them. I don't think they're gonna do much with it. And if they miss the playoffs, they're in big time trouble going forward. And we're going to circle back to this certainly in the offseason when the Otani Sweepstakes start. Third storyline here, there were a couple of trades that went on on the other side of southern California. If we go down to actual Los Angeles, not Orange County. The Dodgers make two trades, and they're kind of interesting trades. They're trying to get some infield help. So they go get keyk Hernandez and create a reunion with him, and they also trade Noah Cinderguard to the Guardians to go and get Ahmed Rosario. 00:40:04 Speaker 1: So the here's the Dodgers situation. Then Miguel Rojas, a short he's stunk this year at the play. He's just been atrocious. So the Dodgers go out and they acquire of the beat stat cast the two worst defensive shortstops in baseball. Keithy Hernandez has been one of the worst players in baseball by war this year, and and Ahmed Rosario saw the stat the other day that I don't have written down is one of like what three players with negative I forget if it's negative defensive run save in an OPS under six eighty. 00:40:41 Speaker 3: Oh, I know the tweet you're talking about. Yeah, no, it was. 00:40:44 Speaker 2: It was comparing Key k Hernandez and Amed Rosario together saying there are two of the only players in baseball that have negative six out above average or worse, and also both have an OPS below six eighty. And that's the two guys the Dodgers went and acquired. Look, I know, I'm at Rosario was phenomenal last year, but his defense has been really bad. The offense has not taken another step forward there. It's just a rental piece in Rosario. But man, this is a little bit of a head scratcher of a move for a team that's trying to win. 00:41:17 Speaker 1: I'm just wondering what, yeah, what exactly they're doing. They might they probably maybe they see something. The Dodgers are a kind of organization like this. They see something that they think they can fix. Okay, but on the outside, did you actually get better at shortstop? And they didn't really have to give up all that much, But did you actually get better? I don't think so. Not Like shortstops are really readily available, especially good ones at the trade deadline, but this is tough. 00:41:48 Speaker 2: There wasn't many options out there either. Tim Anderson has not had a good year, obviously, Rosario hasn't had a good year. It's not exactly your cream of the crop to pick from. So they had to do something, and obviously the Gavin Luxey injury all the way back in spring training kind of destroyed their plans at shortstop to begin with this year. But I don't know what Rosario is gonna do as a solution here now. I think this trade just ends up being a throwaway for both teams because Noah Cinderguard doesn't have much left in the tank. From what we've seen, he has not had a good year, he has been injured. He just hasn't been the same guy that he once was with the Mets. Maybe the Guardians think they can unlock something with them. Doesn't seem likely though. 00:42:26 Speaker 1: No, no, and it'll be interesting to see, but this is kind of kind of a shoulder shrug move. The Dodgers have been one of the more aggressive teams so far as a trade deadline has rolled up. But I'm excited to see what's gonna happen over this weekend and what happens on Monday. It's gonna be it's gonna be an exciting deadline, I think. I hope, I hope, I really hope it's not a boring deadline. 00:42:48 Speaker 2: There should definitely be more to update by the next time we do a podcast, which, by the way, this feels like a good time to just do a little bit of a programming note for people. So next week, we're gonna have our guest on Friday. TJ and I are gonna do an episode just the two of us for Wednesday's show where we're gonna break down whatever else happens with the Mariners at the deadline. We're gonna break down the rest of Baseball's trade deadline, and then we're gonna have our guest on for Friday's show, which kind of works out a little bit better, just so we can dissect everything that's happened with the Mariners and the trade deadline. And again, as always, we always try to keep it consistent now with the two shows a week that we're gonna have our guests on Wednesdays and just be the two of us doing everything else on Fridays. Obviously, sometimes with guests two with their scheduling, with schedule coordinating and whatever's going on in their world and our world two, sometimes it'll mix a match. But again, just for this week, we're gonna have the guest show on Friday, So just make note of that. 00:43:40 Speaker 1: All right, let's get to our Russell Wilson umpire of the week. Wow, what do you got? 00:43:48 Speaker 2: We're staying in Mariners world for this one. And I've been waiting to talk about this. So Emil Jmenez, who was behind the plate during that Saturday Mariners Blue Jays game, was absolutely atrocious. This guy missed, yes, count him up, sixteen calls behind the plate in terms of balls and strikes. He missed sixteen balls and strikes calls behind home plate during the Mariners win on Saturday. That is three point six percent below average in terms of relative accuracy, which is really bad. He was four percent below league average on called ball accuracy. He was also four percent per league low app below league average on called strike accuracy. He was four percent leak below league average tongue twisters on overall accuracy. So, to sum it all up, what a disgraceful outing on Saturday. 00:44:43 Speaker 1: And somehow nobody got tossed. Somehow, I think we're watching this game in like somebody's gonna blow a gasket end by some miracle of the baseball gods, nobody got tossed somehow. In terms of ranking and percent hole accuracy for the game was fourth percentile accuracy above expected, third, consistency twelve, total run impact eighth, and overall for the season, he has had a pretty poor season in terms of accuracy, accuracy above expected, and consistency, which most players. All they asked for an umpire is to be consistent, and he didn't even do that. What would you call this? So they highlight on the on the umpire auditor, they highlight like the general area what the strike zone that was essentially called. You can see it on your screen because I assume you have the you have the the tweet or whatever up from umpire auditor that highlighted the strike zone. What would you call this shape of his strike zone? 00:45:47 Speaker 3: I would call the shape Angel Hernandez. 00:45:51 Speaker 1: It looks like it literally looks like a ghost with a tail. That's what I think. It looks like, Like you have the ghost head here on the left like a top outside corner, and then there's this blank space right in the middle of the strike zone which is white where there were no less strikes called, and then it pops back up with his tail here on the inside corner. To lefties. It really is fascinating if you think about it, it's like, well does it does it resemble something like this, then players can deal with that. But it literally goes like this, and then there's a tail here and then it goes. It's it's quite something to look at. 00:46:31 Speaker 2: Mariners players were pissed during that game, rightfully, so they were pissed. Get the challenge system into the big leagues plays. I will keep harping it. By the way, if we've been doing these segments and you have sat there and thought to yourself, guys, haven't done Angel Hernandez one time this year speaking to the devil since we just brought him up, Well, he has not been umping in the big leagues this year. In fact, I know somebody who sent me a post and it was a parody post that said Angel Hernandez has missed zero balls or strikes calls this year. And somehow the person who sent it to me fell for it and it's like no way. They were like, how is this even possible? And I said to him, you know, he hasn't umped any games this year, right, And he's like, well, that would make a lot more sense. 00:47:15 Speaker 1: What's he been doing? 00:47:17 Speaker 2: I don't know, but now he's umping minor league games as if he's on a rehab assignment or something which lookout, winter is coming, he gets back into the big leagues. 00:47:27 Speaker 3: Oh boy, he'll be on this segment. We can promise you. 00:47:30 Speaker 1: That week one. 00:47:32 Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, he is the worst. 00:47:35 Speaker 2: But Emil Jimenez, for the sake of this week's Russell Wilson Up of the Week, he was not seeing over the middle. That is what he qualified as failure to do to receive the award this week because. 00:47:47 Speaker 1: White literally there is a blank spot in the middle. 00:47:50 Speaker 3: Literally, sad. 00:47:53 Speaker 1: I think Emil needs Sean Payton, that's what he needs. 00:47:56 Speaker 2: Oh if you listen to Sean Payton's comments, he makes it sound like everything is gonna be just brighton Roses in Denver. 00:48:04 Speaker 1: I know, except Emil Jimenez can't throw Nathaniel Hackett under the bus. 00:48:09 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was all his faults. It was Sean Dayton, it was. 00:48:12 Speaker 2: And we may have some speak your mind stories out of Denver this season again, just how we did last winter. Okay, speaking to speak your mind, let's get to that right now. 00:48:24 Speaker 3: Speak your mind spot. That would be unwise. What is necessary is never unwise. 00:48:35 Speaker 2: I think you've got a lot of things to talk about this week, TJ. So I'll just give you the floor. 00:48:39 Speaker 1: All right, what do we want to start with here? I guess let's start with music. We're gonna get an unreal music Friday, or technically tonight for us here on the West Coast, about six hours from right now recording here on Thursday afternoon. We have an album coming out tonight that we've been waiting for for five years now, Travis Scott's Utopia coming out tonight, and then Post Malone as well is gonna drop at the same time, which is an artist I've really gotten to like a whole lot more over the last i'd say four years, and they're gonna drop at the same time tonight, and I don't think I've been more excited for a music weekend since Travis dropped Astro World five years ago. 00:49:19 Speaker 3: You know what I remember about when he dropped Astro World five years ago? 00:49:23 Speaker 2: We were on the Cape League. We were with different teams for those who don't know. I was with Hyenas, TJ was with yd They were playing each other that night, and we were hours away from getting Astro World, and after the game we're just standing around talking about it, like, oh, ninety minutes ago or seventy five minutes ago and everybody else that was around us and friends with us, like, man, you guys are really counting down the minutes, aren't you. 00:49:43 Speaker 3: We're like, yep, we are. 00:49:45 Speaker 2: Then we went home and proceeded to play it for the next I don't know, year and a half straight. 00:49:51 Speaker 1: Yeah. I've got to some nostalgic videos sent to me of like people listening to Siko Mode for the first time. I'm like, man, it's like I feel the memories all coming back, and it's making me miss college. That's for sure. 00:50:03 Speaker 3: Was so good. 00:50:04 Speaker 2: I mean, for those who don't know, Travis Scott is basically both TJ and I's favorite artists. I mean, he's like, maybe he's one B in my world compared to lil. 00:50:12 Speaker 3: Uzi's one A. 00:50:13 Speaker 2: But it's so close where we've been waiting five years from to drop this album. And for about three years now, you and I have been looking at our watches, going. 00:50:21 Speaker 3: So is he making new music or what? 00:50:23 Speaker 2: Like we're just waiting around here, and finally he's gonna drop this album. 00:50:28 Speaker 1: I'm trying not to send my expectations too high because I really don't want to be disappointed, like he had five years to do this so like, he better not fuck up. 00:50:37 Speaker 2: I mean, Kevin Durant said it's really good, so I hope he's right. 00:50:41 Speaker 1: People say things all the time. 00:50:44 Speaker 3: Yeah they do. 00:50:44 Speaker 2: I mean normally, in a normal week of released music, I would be listening to post Malone right away, but he is Unfortunately this week of all weeks gonna be second because as much as I like post Malone and you like him, Yeah, we've been waiting five years for utopias, So we're gonna be listening to Travis Scott the second it drops. 00:51:04 Speaker 1: It's Yeah, it gonna be an unbelievable It's been a good music like month and a half. I will say, I'm very I'm very, very pleased with some of the some of the music that we've gotten. Okay, next bullet point that we just have to hit on because we need to stay consistent. How about this? Have you do you like? X? No? 00:51:25 Speaker 2: Like a single thing that's happened at Twitter since Elon bought it? 00:51:28 Speaker 1: How much? So? How much brand value did Elon throw away with getting rid of the Twitter logo and renaming everything from tweets to now X is? How much brand value is that? Is that? Like I saw an estimate in the billions, and people were kind of calling it bs. I'm like, I'm not educated on that fact. I don't know how much brand value the Twitter tweet logo had, but it's not I wouldn't imagine it's nothing right of of of of rebranding Twitter. So what about this other idea, allyle that he has that he says he's gonna turn Twitter into a super app, which is gonna be your your banking, your your you're shopping, your like, your food delivery app, your health insurance, like all these things. And I'm thinking, I'm like, why the fuck would I give Elon Musk access to my money? 00:52:17 Speaker 3: As the kids would say, that's cap Yeah. 00:52:22 Speaker 1: And the thing is, he says all these things, and I'm thinking, I'm sitting here thinking, I'm like, is he just naming off things iPhones already do? Isn't this is essentially a super app right here, this thing right here, I have everything I ever need right here in this in this phone right here. For those of you watching on YouTube, you can see it if you're listening, go find our YouTube channel. And you see me hammering my iPhone away like this thing already handles all that stuff. So why does Elon think he needs to turn a once proud website into his testing ground. 00:52:57 Speaker 4: Man? 00:52:57 Speaker 2: Forty four billion dollars he paid for this thing, and for somebody who wanted to start making money off Twitter, he ain't doing it. 00:53:05 Speaker 1: No, he's not all the brand All the brand value now is gone. Advertisers don't like advertising with him, the platform is overrun with bots and and all these things. He did make one very very drastic change to Twitter, which you know, personally, I'm sarcastically a huge fan of, where now you cannot DM people, you don't have Twitter blue if they don't follow you back. Now, this was to prevent bots, which I would get like ten bots a day offering me crypto or whatever the whatever the hell they're trying to offer me through Twitter. And his solution to that was just to eliminate all communication between people don't already follow each other. Thank you genius for someone who likes to try a network that was that was a great decision there, Elon. 00:53:50 Speaker 3: Is anybody actually gonna call him X? 00:53:53 Speaker 1: Like? 00:53:53 Speaker 3: Are people going to call the tweets X? 00:53:55 Speaker 2: Like? It's like it's like how when Safco Field became t Mobile Park. Although way more drastic because I thought at the time when the name changed, I was like, I feel like people are just always gonna call it Safeco Field. 00:54:07 Speaker 3: People aren't gonna really call it anything else. 00:54:09 Speaker 4: No. 00:54:09 Speaker 2: Well, now as time's gone on, people call it t Mobile Park and people have gotten used to it. I don't think that's happening with Twitter. I don't think people are gonna be referring to it as X in conversations. 00:54:20 Speaker 1: If if I start referring to it as X, I will delete my account and probably go over to probably go over to threats. 00:54:31 Speaker 3: There you go. 00:54:32 Speaker 1: Once other people start leaving, I'm following them. I'm following the trail. 00:54:37 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you. I mean my big speak your mind this week was Utopia and Travis Scott, So that was my big talking point for the week. But it sounds like maybe you have one or two other things you want to hit on here. 00:54:49 Speaker 1: Okay, so we'll do sports and then nonsports to finish out first with the sports. I just wrote, lol, PAC twelve. 00:54:58 Speaker 3: Disaster are a disaster. 00:55:01 Speaker 1: The smugness, the thought that everything's fine, everything's gonna be all right, even though we still don't have a TV deal. Some context, Colorado is now going to the Big twelve. It was announced I think it's confirmed now this afternoon. They were doing a press commerce I think an hour ago to confirm that decision. So the PAC twelve conference now for next season has nine teams. There is no certain There has not been a TV deal yet. There's not been one single dollar promised to the schools for the upcoming season, which for a new commissioner who said, Yep, we're getting out in front of it. We're gonna go grab ourselves a TV deal and we're gonna we're gonna be steady and consistent without USC and UCLA. It has been well over a year since they started negotiating for TV rights. In that time span, the Big twelve essentially went behind their back and re upped with their own partners and took up all the inventory on linear TV, which led the PAC twelve out to drive. And now there's still no numbers for packed to one presidents to approve from a television deal and there's no certainty beyond next year, which is very on brand for this conference, which thought it was getting a savior once Larry Scott left in under George Klaioffkov's watch they have now had three teams leave and zero TV's deal TV deals finish. It's quite a record. 00:56:20 Speaker 2: College football may just turn into the AFC and NFC, maybe the SEC and the Big Ten. There's two big leagues and that's it, and that's what the new norm is, because I don't know how the PAC twelve or even the Big twelve, to be honest with you, is going to keep their head above the water. With what the other two conferences are doing. 00:56:38 Speaker 1: It's going to turn into a pro league. Like I'm convinced, whether within the next span of a TV deal or the one after that, the thirty top programs in college football are going to all get together and be like, you know what, why don't we just form our own league and the kids don't have to go to class anymore? Why not? The only thing against that is they would actually have to pay the players. What a concept? You know, maybe if college football never built this system of broken economics, they wouldn't have these issues, right, you. 00:57:09 Speaker 3: Think, you're probably right, But here we are. 00:57:14 Speaker 1: Most successful businesses pay their employees and have structure. College football has neither. 00:57:22 Speaker 3: What a disaster. 00:57:23 Speaker 1: It is a disaster. And then the final thing I have which is very off the cuff for US. How about this, Lyle. There is a former US intelligence staffer this week, David Grush, that says the US under oath, by the way, so had to be truthful. Says the United States is in possession of UFOs and non human bodies and that they have been documenting UFO activity on planet Earth since the nineteen thirties. Does that make you feel safe? 00:57:54 Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, are aliens dangerous or not? We don't know. 00:57:57 Speaker 2: I mean the fact they admitted it is pretty crazy makes me wonder how nobody's seen it over the years. 00:58:04 Speaker 1: Here's my conspiracy with this. I feel like UFOs and aliens if they were to come visit US, if they had the technology to come actually visit us, I feel like they would be too advanced for our brains even process that we're seeing them. I think. So, think about it this way. If you went in time, traveled back to the beginning of humanity with your iPhone and say your car, do you think the people you would see would be able to process what they're seeing with you? 00:58:32 Speaker 3: I guess not. 00:58:34 Speaker 1: It just it would be a lot to comprehend it. It would literally be like you flying like, that's the that's the kind of concept I think. And then there if we think about it, right, So humanity has been around what ten thousand years something like that, and there could be another place somewhere else out in the in the universe, on a planet with a little bit more steady of a climate and has been around significantly longer than humanity has been, say a few million years. Think of the technology they would have appost to us, right, Think of the kind of technology. Think of all the technology we have built in the last fifty years now. Think of having that and then taking in another million years. Do you think our brains will be able to process what we've seen for civilizations that had that kind of technology. I don't think so, right, And I think it would be kind of fascinating that. I mean, there could be many organizations around the universe who know exactly everything we're doing. They probably know we're recording a podcast right now, and they can they have the technology to just see it from afar and don't have to do anything. 00:59:40 Speaker 2: So your take is maybe there's been aliens just walking down the street. They've just figured out how to morph themselves into humans, and nobody thought twice about it. 00:59:49 Speaker 1: I wouldn't put it past it. I mean, the universe is. I mean, you can't even comprehend how big it is. If you're not telling me there's other things out there, I would say you're high right, It's like, all right, it's gonna happen. 01:00:02 Speaker 2: I think, Yeah, I'm curious to see where this goes. I guess we'll see if they dig any deeper into this anytime soon, or if we just kind of have to sit on it. 01:00:10 Speaker 3: For a while. 01:00:12 Speaker 2: I don't know, we will see. I think that just about wraps up this edition of the Marine Layer podcast. 01:00:19 Speaker 3: You guys know the drill. 01:00:20 Speaker 2: If you guys want to listen to the full form podcast, you can do so on the audio side on Apple, Spotify, Google, and Amazon. If you do so, make sure to follow us, Go download the episode, give us a five star review. If you're watching on the or listening on the audio side, go watch us on YouTube. We do a bunch of stuff there. Hit subscribe, turn the notification bells on, like comment. All that stuff helps us big time, so make sure to go do that. Social media, you can follow us on TikTok, Instagram, Twitter, and YouTube. Shorts at Marine layer Pot and one final time programming note for next week, we will do a show just TJ and I on Wednesday, recapping the entire deadline. We will have our show with our guests on Friday of next week. So that's t J on Lyle as always, with thank you guys for tuning in. We'll talk to you soon. 01:01:37 Speaker 1: Sh