Episode 44: Peter Appel (Just Baseball), M's Favorable Upcoming Schedule, And Cade Marlowe Appreciation

00:00:00 Speaker 1: Welcome to episode number forty four of the Marine Layer Podcast. We have Peter Apple on today gambling, Mariners, Yankees starting Just Baseball. We'll talk a little bit about Cade, Marlowe and Mariners still have a path to the playoffs. 00:00:15 Speaker 2: You guys know the drill, but you want to listen to the full form podcast on the audio side, Go listen on Apple, on Spotify, Google, Amazon, download the episodes. Hit that follow button, give us a five star review. It helps big time. Go check us out on YouTube too again, follow, like, comment, subscribe, hit the notification bell, and then go follow us on social media TikTok, Instagram, Twitter, YouTube shorts at Marine Layer Pod. 00:00:41 Speaker 1: Let's get it rolling, and we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Layer Podcast, part of the Just Baseball podcast network, Recording here on Thursday, August third. And Laala just got a report in cal Rally has been banned from American League East ballparks. 00:01:08 Speaker 2: Who does he own more? Does he own the Red Sox or the Blue Jays at a greater degree Blue Jays. 00:01:14 Speaker 1: I think it's funnier, mostly because of John Schneider's legendary quote. 00:01:19 Speaker 2: He is just simply not a hard guy to pitch to He's really not if you execute your pitches, cal Raley's actually really easy to get out. As he proceeds to turn around and hit a million home runs against the Blue. 00:01:30 Speaker 1: Jays, It's seven home runs in forty four played appearances against the Blue Jays in his career. I think that's just an incredible ratio. I mean, if cal Raley, I hope he stays Americer for quite a long time. But if he's gonna go somewhere else, you know, I think the American League East suits. 00:01:47 Speaker 2: Him, does it, because then he doesn't get to feast on those teams all the time. 00:01:52 Speaker 1: He gets to play them more than anyone else. 00:01:56 Speaker 2: Yeah, but then he gets to face less of those teams. He gets to face four of them and post the five of them. But you're right, he would get to play in Ali's ballparks. He would see those teams more often. Well unfortunately for Mariners fan. Scott Boris is Cal's agents, so time with him now? Should we say? 00:02:13 Speaker 1: Yeah? 00:02:14 Speaker 2: Yeah? 00:02:14 Speaker 1: Probably? Although here's the thing, right, does Scott would Scott Boris send his player to Baltimore or Tampa Bay, which would allow him to play both the Red Sox and the Blue Jays. 00:02:26 Speaker 2: Do Boris's guys ever go to Baltimore or Tampa Bay. 00:02:29 Speaker 1: No, they wouldn't because he probably end up being a Yankee if Boris really got his way. 00:02:34 Speaker 2: Right, yeah, or a Cub or a Dodger or somebody like that. I mean, assuming Cal continues to be a top ten catcher in the game going forward, for sure. But man, you look at what he did against the Red Sox in this series, and that's now what four home runs he has against the Red Sox this year? He had two, hip two or three in this series. I'm losing count. 00:02:54 Speaker 1: Well, he had two against them in Fenway where he became was like the first switch hitting captured to homer from both sides of the plate in the same game, right, I think that was the stat There was a stat I dug up so for our local radio show here that I contribute to. I mean, we spent essentially the entire next day talking about cal Rawley's phenomenon at Fenway Park. I mean, there was an interview mixed in there, but it was essentially digging into Baseball Reference to try and find which players have hit home runs from both sides of the plate at Fenway Park. And I think cal Rawley is one of only five players to do that at Fenway Park, which is just pretty absurd and shows to the level that he loves that park. 00:03:38 Speaker 2: He does. And he hit three home runs in this series against the Red Sox. It was three because he hit two in a game and then he hit one in the series finale. It's ridiculous, dude, that guy legitimately owns the Al East, and man, the Red Sox just have to hate playing him at this point. 00:03:53 Speaker 1: They have to, I mean, and he's he's the momentum stopper and the Red Side. The only team better than the Mariners in the month of July until that series was the Red Sox. 00:04:02 Speaker 2: They needed that series pretty badly. I mean, the Red Sox are a team that's right neck and neck with the Mariners. They're a little bit ahead of the Mariners in terms of that wildcard race. They need those games not just to pass up teams, but if it gets down to tiebreakers, the Mariners are gonna need every bit of an edge that they can get. 00:04:20 Speaker 1: And why those games are so important now because this transitions right into our Mariners storylines, which there's something I mean just laid right out in front of them that I think is really fascinating. The Mariner's schedule right now sets them up for the playoffs. Like beautifully. 00:04:40 Speaker 2: They've got to keep winning games. They have to keep winning in August when the schedule favors them the most. But if they can keep winning in August and actually establish some ground, they can still do this. 00:04:54 Speaker 1: When I look at this schedule, can I just read you this schedule here in alle I guess they should be in a playoffs spelt by the time this schedule is up. I mean, we're talking about four games against the Royals, three games against the White Sox, three more games against the Royals, three games against the A's than three games against the Mets. You're telling me that's not putting you in a playoff spot. It should in theory. 00:05:19 Speaker 2: Let's put it like this, if the Mariners do not take advantage against all those teams, and you don't deserve to be in the playoffs, you have to capitalize against those teams that are non competitive to as nice as slightly below average. I mean even like the Mets. They were slightly below average before they shipped off. Now they're closer to the non competitive side. If you're the Mariners. You have to key in on these teams, and honestly, you're probably gonna need another seventeen to eighteen win month. But against all those clubs, why not? 00:05:53 Speaker 1: I said pretty emphatically to you yesterday. I said, by the time that stretches over, by the time September third rules around and they finish off the Mets and Queens, you think they need to be three game have a three game lead of a playoff spot. Is that absurd? 00:06:07 Speaker 2: You know? I thought it was at first when you laid that out to me, because I said, that's a lot of ground to make up in the month of August. But then when you look at the schedule and who they're playing compared to who waits on the other side of that tunnel in September, they have to win now. They have to take advantage of those teams. You have to establish yourself into that last wildcard spot before that stretch in September, because if you don't, it is a uphill climb. 00:06:35 Speaker 1: What's funny is you just you look at the overall strength of record for the Mariners the rest of the season. Their strength of record opponent strength of record is twenty eighth. But if you look at the final three and a half weeks of the season, I'm struggling to believe how that math actually checks out. Over the final three and a half weeks of the Mariners season, you're talking about four with the Rays, three with the Dodgers, three with the Rangers, three with the Astros, and three more with the Rangers. That sounds like a like a nightmare to me. 00:07:05 Speaker 2: It sounds like a gauntlet, is what it is, because it is the Mariners. I mean, if they don't make up a lot of ground here in August and early September against all those aforementioned teams, they're gonna have to play their best baseball this season to give themselves a shot to get in the playoffs. Because if they don't, if they just roll over against all those teams that are at the moment superior to them, then it's just not to be this year. But if they can establish some real momentum against the teams they should be, they've all of a sudden created a cushion for themselves where it is a possibility again. 00:07:41 Speaker 1: And every single one of those teams I mentioned were buyers at the deadline, all of them, and all of them added pretty significant pieces to their major league roster, and I mean you didn't, so as you mentioned that the talent disadvantage is there, and I think it's I think it's kind of fascinating. It's gonna set up quite a seesaw and quite oppos to what we saw last year. Were the final handful of weeks last year and the Maritors were going down the stretch run of the season that he was a cake walk and we were just waiting for them to seize that playoff spot. But this year, I mean, if the Mariners are holding the lead of a playoff spot with two weeks remaining, I might start drinking more. I'm dead serious. 00:08:23 Speaker 2: That is going to be a stressful two weeks. If they draw everybody back into the thing. If they're actually in a wildcard spot, or within a game of a wildcard spot, even two games of a wildcard spot, and that's the schedule that they have in front of them, that is going to be a roller coaster of a ride the last two weeks because again, you have to play up to or better than the level of the best competition in baseball to outlast those teams and to get yourself into the position that you want to be, which is one of those six playoff spots, could be just that last wildcard spot. That may be the only thing they have a shot at at this point. But you're gonna have to do it because if you don't, those teams are gonna pummel right over you and the season's gonna kind of be dead. 00:09:07 Speaker 1: I have a headache literally just looking at the last two weeks. I mean, how it is going to be a I'm gonna have it at nightmares about facing the Rangers. Sorry, I said they had a three game series to finish the season. It's actually four. So you're telling me they're gonna have to beat They're gonna have to probably have a substantial winning record against playing thirteen games against the Rangers and Astros to finish the year. That that sounds like something out of a nightmare. 00:09:35 Speaker 2: Even going to Cincinnati to play the Reds. The Reds might not be World Series contenders this year, but if we've seen they might win the Central, they might go to the playoffs. That Reds team is very similar to how this Mariner's Corps started to form in twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two, where they are right at the point where they're starting to get scary, and we know what Elie de la Cruz can do. That's not gonna be an easy series either. I mean, September is a tough month if you're the Seattle Mariners. 00:10:02 Speaker 1: At least there's three games with the A's right in the middle. 00:10:06 Speaker 2: Yes there is, Yes, there is. 00:10:09 Speaker 1: They win all three of those games, yeah, yes, they If they don't win all three of those games, I will guarantee they missed the playoffs. I will say here on this podcast. They lose one of those games to the A's, they're out. 00:10:22 Speaker 2: You're going full Trevor Pluth season. Season's over, Your season's dead. 00:10:25 Speaker 1: No, so okay, so funny enough. We say that they play on a Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday. Now there's a chance they lose on Monday or Tuesday. And we'll circle back to this. But if we're talking about September twentieth podcast on a Wednesday, I will come on here and I will open the show by saying the Mariners are dead. Clip them. 00:10:49 Speaker 2: It reminds me of that well, no, it half reminds me of that family guy scene with the Mets, where it's different because your scenario is actually at the end of the season, but I'm thinking of that Stewie clip from Family Guy. It's like, you know, Halloween's worse than being a Mets fan, and then it just cuts to that clip of the PA guy saying Opening Day, here's the first pitch and the season's over. That'll sound like that. That'll be you here on this podcast. You're gonna open it up. Welcome to the Marine Layer Podcast and seasons dead pretty much. 00:11:21 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well that's gonna be my first episode after the Mariners missed out on Otani preview. 00:11:28 Speaker 2: Or not again or not, We're gonna start the conversations now. I'm gonna promote this a ton in those weeks leading up to the Angels series. So I've decided we're gonna I'm gonna be at all those games and I am legitimately passing out index cards to people like we talked about on the last show to get everybody in Unison to Channing to getting to chant Otani, come to Seattle, come to Seattle every single at bat that series, Like do your part, fans, you want them, do your part, let them hear you don't do it one, so do it. About ten to twelve times and do not let up. I'm gonna talk about this way more when it gets closer, because we need to use this platform to use any voice. We have to get fans going on this, because I'm serious about this. 00:12:10 Speaker 1: Can we make up Mike Trout during that? I'd love to hear what he had to say. 00:12:14 Speaker 2: That'd be great, that'd be great. But hey, if you're listening to this now, this isn't going away, and we will be. I will be there during that Angel series. TJ's in Oregon, but I will be there and we're gonna be making it happen. We're gonna be getting fans rally. But we'll put a pin in that for later in the meantime. I can't quite say he's been playing like sho Heyo, TODDI, TJ. But Cad Marlow is tearing it up. 00:12:38 Speaker 1: He has does a one to sixty nine WORC plus in the big league. Sound good to you? So it sounds good to me. But I mean, I don't even want to just look at those numbers overall. You just watch them at the plate. Isn't it refreshing to have an outfielder step to the plate and not strike out thirty percent of the time. Because I'm thinking about this as I'm watching Cad Marlowe and he's put together some really good at bats and some long at bats. Ten plus pitch, which is the one he had on Monday, was phenomenal when with the going No, sorry, it was what Dave is that I'm getting my days mixed up anyways, No, it was yesterday Wednesday. It's been a long week just to watch a Mariner's outfielders step to the plate in a big situation and not have to worry about them striking out. Because think about this, Lyle, the Mariner's regular starting outfield strikes out thirty percent of the time on aggregate. Julio, Jared taoscar Hernandez it's about a thirty percent clip between those three. 00:13:35 Speaker 2: It's a lot, and we like all three of those guys obviously, but they do strike out a lot. Dominic Canzone, we don't really know yet. We're gonna need a bigger sample size on him. Kate marlow is striking out sixteen percent of the time, nearly half of what those other guys are doing. That matters, like that really matters. I'm not saying that you can't be a good ballplayer if you strike out a lot. We know all three of those guys Julio, Kell, mctaoskar or good ballplayers. But it is very refreshing to see a guy who has such a good awareness for the strike zone, swings at the right pitches, makes a lot of contact, has shown a little bit of pop playing service about serviceable outfield defense. Cave Marlow has been a really nice jolt for this team over the ten or so games that he's played so far, and it's making a difference. 00:14:24 Speaker 1: And what's most strange about this is that Marlow struck out a shit ton of the miners. I mean, we're talking about a guy who struck out nearly thirty eight percent of the time last year when he was promoted to Triple A. That that's the kind of guy we're talking about. And he struggled with his strikeouts this year in Triple A, which got progressively better. It got down to I think twenty two percent the final month and a half before he got caught up. But that's still like league average, and that's his best stretch in Triple A. It comes to the majors and do even more against better pitching, says a lot about who Ky Marlow is, which is which is really nice to see. He hits the ball the other way. His defense is you know, we have noticed it, which is usually a good thing. Otherwise, I mean, he's got appo pop too. It's it's just nice. It is really nice to see. And he's been he's been pretty key here for the Mariners and and helping them turn it around a little bit here in the latter half of July. 00:15:13 Speaker 2: I think it's fair to say his defense is not as good as Jared Kalnicks, but it is perfectly serviceable. He has certainly no liability out there. He plays a perfectly serviceable corner outfield or even he hasn't really played center field yet, but he's been a perfectly good left fielder so far. Is that fair? 00:15:28 Speaker 3: Yeah? 00:15:29 Speaker 1: That yeah, that is fair. And you know he hits lefties right. He faced Richard Blier on Wednesday and did perfectly fine and had the go had the game tying hit on a pitch. It was middle middle. But thankfully, we've seen quite a few Mariners miss miss clutch middle middle piss pitches this year, and he did not miss in that situation against a lefty who traditionally has got a lot of balls on the ground. He's instead stung it for line drive. That's that's pretty good, Kate, I will say, though, it is quite impressive to see him do that. His while his swinglet is kind of odd, right, his back foot really kicks out when he's wings and when you look at it from the side, it's not too bad, but from the front it just kind of looks walky, but it works. 00:16:07 Speaker 2: It is interesting what he did in the minors this year because we talked about when he got called up eighty six WRC plus, we said he wasn't really hitting all that great in Tacoma. He actually had his numbers tanked a little bit from one really bad month. Like if you look at his ops by month, ten sixty four in April, this is all with Tacoma, five twenty eight in May. May was his really bad month, but then eight sixty three in June, nine hundred in July. He actually has been better than what the total numbers say for the season. Tacoma is a bambox. The PCL is a bambox, yes, but it was really all but one month that he's been hitting down there, and now we're seeing it translate to the majors. 00:16:46 Speaker 1: Do you want a Cad Marlow fun fact? 00:16:48 Speaker 2: Oh, let's do it. 00:16:50 Speaker 1: Which player is he worth? Two more wins above replacement now this season? 00:16:56 Speaker 2: Are you gonna tell me Aj Pollock? 00:16:59 Speaker 1: No, it was close with Aj. I think you're in the right ballpark. 00:17:04 Speaker 2: Colton Long. 00:17:05 Speaker 1: Yeah, two entire baseball reference wins above replacement better than Colton Long this year and thirty played appearances. 00:17:13 Speaker 2: That is remarkable. 00:17:14 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're telling me. 00:17:17 Speaker 2: I mean it's funny this guy. This guy's profile was a fourth outfielder, right. He wasn't a blue chip prospect. He had some value. I think people believe that he'd be a fourth outfielder long term, and maybe he still is. But you look at Caid Marlowe and what he's done so far, you have to like it. I mean, we're looking at a world right now. We've still got a ways to go. We still need a bigger sample size on Marlow, but I think it's fair to say, from where we sit this second, there is a world where next year's Mariners outfield is Julio Kelnick Dominic, Canzone, Cad Marlow. There's your four outfielders, and they'll have a couple of utility guys in there where. If Kaid's the fourth outfielder, okay, but he can do some really good things with that role. 00:17:59 Speaker 1: And I need to reminder listeners that we were saying very similar things about Jose Cabaliero a couple months ago, and he has not hit as well since we did that segment on him, So you know, we got to give him a bigger sample size to iron out. And like Lyle said, he very well might just end up as a fourth outfielder. But you know, fourth outfielders cashed the big league checks too, so at that rate, I don't think you'll complain all that much. 00:18:23 Speaker 2: No, and last thing here, like, let's remember about Marlow. This guy was the minor league hitter of the year in his minor league ten year. He's had twenty home run seasons in the minors. This team and the organization, the front office likes him a lot. There's a reason he was on the taxi squad for the postseason last year. There's a reason he was tearing it up in spring training this year before the injury. He has value and to see what he does going forward is really exciting. 00:18:46 Speaker 1: Yeah, it is really exciting. I'm looking forward to it. We had an awesome conversation with Peter Apple, the co founder of Just Baseball Media, our i would say, our parent here on this podcast talk, some gambling talk, some Yankees talk, some Mariners. Fabulous conversation with Peter. He really is who he is, very authentic online and offline as well, and it comes out here in this conversation, and we're really glad that he had some time to join us for a really fun conversation. 00:19:19 Speaker 2: He was awesome, and it's very easy from talking to him to see why Just Baseball has had as much success as at his as it has had, and the way he goes about things, the way he talks about baseball, his personality as a whole, it's very easy to see why they've had so much success and why we've been lucky enough to be a part of it as they've expanded their podcast. I mean, yeah, you'll see it from talking to him, right, But I'd say it's fair to say that Peter is the face of Just Baseball. Like, don't get me wrong, him and arm who he had on a couple months ago, are both the co founders. But if you go on their TikTok page or Instagram page. You will mostly see Peter's face on there, is that, right? 00:19:56 Speaker 3: Yeah? 00:19:57 Speaker 2: Right, so you will see Peter's face the most. It was a great conversation. Let's give him a little shout out too, because we've talked about The Just Baseball Show a little bit on here, which is their mothership show and the main show. If you guys are Marinus fans and you happen to be somebody that's looking for more national baseball stuff and a national baseball podcast to listen to, well you can do two things. You can listen to TJ and I do our MLB rap rounds, and you can also go listen to the Just Baseball Show because those guys are genuinely awesome. I mean even before we were with the network. We love listening to those guys and they do a phenomenal job. They have Walker Bueler on every Monday. Guys like, it's really cool. Go check it out. 00:20:34 Speaker 1: We don't want to keep it from you though, So let's get to our interview with Peter Apple. 00:20:41 Speaker 4: This fall, stream your favorites and discover more with Disney Plus, Hulu and ESPN Plus together watch the highly anticipated new season of Loki and see the ghost materialize in Haunted Mansion on Disney Plus. 00:20:55 Speaker 3: Catch more frights with. 00:20:56 Speaker 4: The Boogeyman, an American horror story Delegate on Hulu and on ESPN Plus. Get into the action with college football and NFL. All of these and more streaming now. Get the Disney Bundle with plans starting at nine to ninety nine a month, plans with ESPN Plus starting at fourteen ninety nine a month. Terms apply. See Diisney Bundle dot com for details. 00:21:24 Speaker 2: All right, we've got Peter Apple on with us. He's the co founder of Just Baseball and he's the host of well, a bunch of different stuff, The Just Baseball Show, Not Gambling Advice, The Armbarn Park, the arm Barn Podcast. There we go, Peter, I just wanted to start off with if this needs to be a safe space for you to talk about your season of gambling, it can be that we just thought we'd offer it to you. 00:21:45 Speaker 3: Now I'm here to do it, and it's so funny. Gambling is such a mental thing. Right twenty twenty one, I get my first start on TikTok and I do pretty well. I make fifteen units. So for people who don't really gamble. A unit is one percent of your bankroll, right, So if I bet one percent of what I'm willing to lose gambling. Right, So, if your bankroll is ten thousand dollars, which is what you're willing to lose gambling, Like, if you lose ten thousand dollars, you were out. That means your unit size is one hundred. So when MLB in twenty twenty one, I was up fifteen units, so just for round number sake, one hundred dollars was turned into fifteen hundred. Twenty twenty two turned one hundred dollars into forty four hundred, again just for round number sake. This year, I'm down three units, and it's just, you know, people give up. People are like, well now he's bad, Now he's this. It's just been the most unlucky stretch. And it's really been June and July, because I was up eighteen units going into June. But man, I mean, it's just the grind. It's baseball. It's like I view myself and maybe this is arrogant, but I have confidence in my ability, Like I'm a really good hitter and a slump right. 00:22:57 Speaker 1: Now, So worst two months stretch of your career, right, because that's a minus twenty one unit stretch. That really does sound like something I would do when I decided, you know, I'm gonna start betting UFC, even though I don't watch UFC, and I think that's what I managed something around. 00:23:14 Speaker 3: There by far the worst stretch of my career, like not even close. There was one month last year where I lost thirteen units in May of twenty twenty two and then was in the green. I've never lost in consecutive months before. That's what I did in June and July, and I wish I had answers. You know, I'm not a guy to make excuses like we love baseball because freaky stuff happens, right, That's like the beauty of it. That's why we love it. That's why we cover it every day. So it's like, oh, you know, the bullpen blew it. It's like, yeah, that's baseball. Bullpens are going to blow it. So I'm just rolling with the punches and just continuing to give my best shot because I have confidence that I'm going to make it back. And maybe that's you know, addiction talking, but no, I mean, you know, it's my favorite part of gambling is the analysis. Right. We all love baseball, so I love analyzing the game and finding value within the line and making it actionable. 00:24:09 Speaker 1: I know most of your content is baseball betting. Is baseball your favorite sport? To bet? It is very I would say it's very different to look at than it is to bet on an NFL line. I personally, when I did like betting, liked betting on the NBA because I love the nice law of large numbers where things end up being right more often than not, opposed to the randomness of a one to two run swing. So baseball it is. 00:24:33 Speaker 3: So it's so funny. The more I think about it, the more I've done this now doing the NFL two years, doing the MLB two years publicly, right, I've been doing this for much longer than that, But just in the public eye, I think I enjoy betting on the NFL more. And the reason is is I'm not as emotionally invested in it. In baseball, I just love the sport to the death of me. It's my number one passion. Like when I die on my tombstone, I wanted to read like baseball guy, right, and I love every other aspects of the game, like I love analysis. You know. I did an internship with the Cubs scouting. I worked with the Yankees for two years. I just love the game so much, and I love analyzing games beforehand in order to make a prediction. But when I make an NFL bet, I almost feel like it's more fun because I have less of an emotional attachment to the game itself. If that makes sense, I. 00:25:35 Speaker 2: Think it does make sense. I also have been pressing to ask you, is there a team that you feel like has been screwing you the most this year? 00:25:42 Speaker 3: Such a good question, again, because I've been screwed by a lot of teams. I mean, it's funny. We're on the Marine Layer podcast. The Mariners have not been kind to me. They've not been kind to me, and it's it stems from my belief in the beginning of the season. So what I was watching from the Mariners, and they were really profitable for me last year. I felt they were always undervalued in the market. Loved their pitching. When the bats got hot, they would win so many, like five to two games, and the bullpen would just shut it down. And they were always undervalued. And I thought to myself, well, now they're going to be properly valued, but I think they take the next step up. They were a yord On Alvarez away. Were yord On Alvarez home run away from getting to face the Yankees, who I think they would have beaten, because I thought the Yankees were not that good of a team last year, but they were able to get to the Alcs and they got tranced by the Astros. So I thought, well, the pitching is there, the bullpen is still there, and I love all these bats. Why can't they make a run? And they were being priced like way lower than a lot of teams thought they were better. Then Vegas was right. The Mariners have not lived up the expectations. But also don't count them out because they're kind of hot. All they got to sneak in, Just sneak in that pitching. Maybe they get hot. 00:26:57 Speaker 1: Before we talk about actual betting strategy, which I kind of want to pick your brain about as someone who think does this for a living. Now I want to think about maybe the least thought out, least analytical way of betting baseball. And that's the only time I bet now is when I bet a no runs first inning is there, so the people who don't know you can make a bet that the teams do not score a single run in the first inning, neither in the top of the first or the BoNT on the first nobody scores. It's a really easy bet to make. It doesn't take all that much thought. Is there any case where that's like strategically a good idea? 00:27:31 Speaker 3: Nerfe's like betting nerfe's in your fees. Yes, it used to be. It's become too mainstream now, so it's priced into the books, right. The books know you want to take a nerfee, So I actually think people should start leaning into your fees, right, They're normally going to be plus money, and you find pictures who are not very good in the first inning. Like, I don't bet on nerfees in your fees at all, but I would imagine that betting on your fees in Braves games has been pretty has been pretty profitable, considering the Braves are the best first inning team I think ever, or at least close to it. I don't have the stats in front of me, but they've been electric in the first inning. So I think what I like to do in gambling is zig when everybody's zagging, right, you're talking about the nerfees. Everybody on Earth knows about nerfy's, so go your fees. Everyone loves the over go under, everyone loves the favorite go dog. Because you want to be on the same side as the books, and the books know you want to bet on a nerfee, right, So I would look for opportunities to bet the yrfee. But at the same time, they're coin flot bets, right. They never should be your actual handicap on the day because it's really hard to find value. It's one inning, right, there's variance in baseball all the time. By closing your bet to one inning, you're setting yourself up for so many different possibilities to happen. That's why I'm not a nerfee or a eurfe better. 00:28:55 Speaker 1: Now, let's say it's a standard day for you and you're getting ready to make for your picks for the day. I want to know what goes into your strategy. You're looking at the board, what are things you look at first? What's the process like going on in your mind to decide this is going to be a winning day of baseball bets? 00:29:12 Speaker 3: So it's more the it's less what I do when I wake up, and it's more what I do the night before. So what I'll do and you guys do the same thing, is we watch a lot of baseball. Right, I have four different screens up just watching all the games, tracking guys. There's also some pictures I'm higher on, pittures i'm lower on based on you know, expected stats, peripherals, all that good stuff. Teams i'm seeing are hot teams I'm seeing or not. So what I'll do is I'll watch baseball and then that night I'll look at the games the next day, and I like to set my lines. Now, this is not something that I recommend. This is just my way of how I bet. So I'll be like, all right, I think this total should be at nine. Let's say it's at nine. I don't see much value. Right, Let's say I think it's at nine and it's at eight, kind of like the over. Then what I'll do is I'll go to the ballpark pal model, which is on just baseball dot com and or you can search it up on ballpark Pal. Let's say it agrees with me, Okay, we got something here. Then I'll go into the numbers. I'll look into fangraphs. Is this team hot offensively? Do they have a good matchup against the pitcher? And then if all that matches up, then I make the bet. Right, So it starts with me setting what I think the line should be, looking at the model if it agrees, because sometimes it'll completely disagree with me. I'll think it total should be nine, it's at eight. They think it should be at seven. I'm like, all right, never mind, Like maybe I'm off here, or there's some times where I'm like, well, the model's not always right, and I'll play it anyway if the numbers back it up. So it's a lot of different things that have to line up for me to end up making a bet. But for anybody new that's getting into it, what I would say is try and quantify for yourself, like travel right, We'll see if this ends up poorly. But I'm on the Mariners plus one forty again, Shoho tani. I bet that nobody on Earth wants to make. And the reason being is the Angels are nine straight road games. They're traveling from Atlanta to Los Angeles. Just think about it as a human being, right, we all flew back from the Ulcar game. I was tired just talking on a mic. Imagine playing baseball like it's just tough for human beings to be able to do that. Brian wooh, I think is good. I think he has a good matchup against the Angels team who are mostly right handed. Ain't the Mariners have seen show hey enough. I like the Mariner's bullpen better. The Mariner's bats have been hotter plus one forty. Basically, do they win that game five out of ten times? I'm getting a lot of value there. So I'm on the Mariners. You know. 00:31:46 Speaker 2: I hope people that are listening. I hope people listen to this when they hear about how you go through your process of making bets, because I feel like sometimes when you get comments about it, people have this perception that you basically like blindly throw darts against the dark board. Now that's what t does when he tries to make better Shut the fuck. 00:32:04 Speaker 1: That's about. That's a half lie, just a half lie. 00:32:06 Speaker 2: I mean, you actually think this out, Peter. So I hope people realize that when they try to give you a hard time, as if betting is some easy thing, because if it were easy, sports books would not exist. 00:32:16 Speaker 3: No exactly. I mean they're morons. I mean, most of the people are morons out there. People. As gambling has gotten so mainstream, there is this thinking from a lot of different people that it is a get rich quick scheme. So I've seen when I'm winning bets. You should see my engagement. It's amazing. Everybody thinks I'm God. Everybody thinks like I can't lose. Then I go on a losing streak. People disappear. But there's a group of people, and I wouldn't say the majority, it's the minority, but it's still a very big group of people that just believe in me. They believe in the track record. They know that gambling is an up and down kind of thing. People have been doing this for a while, but there's a lot of new people coming into the space who don't understand gambling. So they see all the right right, they know what goes into it, but they're like, oh, he spends all this time and he loses a bet, Like that's gambling, right. Professional gamblers hope to win fifty six percent of their bets. Fifty six That means you're losing four five bets every ten bets. But it's all about winning more than you lose. It's about managing your bankroll and building it. That's how to make money long term sports gambling. But people don't want it. People want to do parlays, people want to bet on nerfees, right, but through time, you're going to make more money if you play the right matchups and you're level headed and you don't chase, and there's a lot of different things that goes into it. But I'm also talking to you right now on the coldest streak of my life, right and you don't see me wavering. It's gonna happen, and it's gonna happen again, and then there's gonna be a week where I literally do not lose a bet. It's happened before, it's gonna happen again. Same thing with losing. Just ride the wave, you know. 00:34:02 Speaker 2: And what's cool about you is you're transparent about this stuff. I mean, you'll see betters out there. They only like to tell you when they win, and they certainly exist out there. They tell you when they win, they don't talk about when they lose, and people have this perception that they're a good better where you actually let people follow the ride with you and say here's where I'm hot, here's where I'm not. It goes and ebbs and flows. 00:34:19 Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to do that, right. I mean that's how I feel like I've been able to build a community to people who trust me. I'm going to let you know when I lose. I almost sell it. I almost like tell you more when I lose than I win. And that's my problem that I'm all honestly trying to overcome is that I get more down on losses than I do happy about wins. Like when a win comes in, I'm just like, yep, that's what should have happened. Good. When I lost, I'm like, oh no, are you kidding me? I get over it in twenty minutes. But I do have that twenty minutes SPT where I'm so upset. The winning spurt lasts like thirty seconds, right, So I'm trying to enjoy the wins as much as I hate the losses because I hate to lose. I hate to lose. I even growing up playing sports like you guys did it, I hated to lose. A very competitive person. So when I lose gambling, it hurts me more than when I win. But I'm really trying to overcome that. And I think you know, part of gambling is also the mental battle. Right you're losing, you want to chase that only gets you worse. Right, So I like the Jogi Barret quote. Baseball is ninety percent mental, the other half is physical. That's the same with betting on baseball, too. Right, there have been guys Jula Rodriguez was in a slump for a long time. Imagine if you just gave up, like it's gonna happen, He's gonna be bad for a month. That's he's a human being. Everyone's been bad for a month, except like Otawani betting against tonight. 00:35:44 Speaker 1: Now you talk about all the strategy you put into betting, but isn't it real much more refreshing when you can just look at the starting pitches the next day and say, yep, I'm betting on cal Quantrill. 00:35:56 Speaker 3: Such a good point. And I'm so upset because he was an actual cash cow. I mean, you don't know how many people are like, no, I'm fading him in no way. He wins as many in a row. I'm like, all right, we'll see how many rows every He won every single home game since he arrived at Cleveland and I was on all of them. Wow, because it's a funny story. So he's behind me right there, King Cal. We had him on the Just Baseball Show as well. So my first year really getting into baseball or college baseball, excuse me, was the Stanford Cardinal when he was on the team and I was watching him pitch and I was like, I like this guy. They get drafted by the Padres and I'm like, I hope he gets a shot. I like him gets traded over to Cleveland with Josh Naylor, and I'm like, you know what, I believe in this guy. And I was like, once the wheels fall off, Okay, they never did until this year. And there were some very alarming peripherals, which I do take and I think they are very important. And I was like, this might be a little bit of a struggle for him, and he's had a really, really tough year. But when we talked with him on the Just Baseball Show, like his mentality about pitching is exactly what I'd want from like my number one starter or my quarterback for the Seattle Seahawks, right, I want the bulldog mentality, a guy who cares more about winning than how he actually pitches, so I'll always believe in him. I just love him as a guy and as a pitcher. 00:37:21 Speaker 2: So I was gonna save this for the end, but now we're on the topic, and I'll let this be the final question before we transition over to some Mariner specific stuff. I always knew you loved Cal Quantrill before we actually met you, but I never knew what the story was. We had arm on a couple months ago and he told us the story. So my follow up to you is is this tattoo of his actually happening or is it all talk? 00:37:42 Speaker 3: It's on him. I've said let's get in Seattle. I said, let's get it here, and he's always got something going on. 00:37:49 Speaker 2: Arm lady. 00:37:50 Speaker 3: And if you're listening to this podcast, we're getting you the fucking tattoo. We're getting you the tattoo. I Am not letting it go to the grave without a tattoo of Calquatril Autumn. So if you're listening, which I'm sure you are because this podcast is awesome, we're getting that tattoo. 00:38:04 Speaker 2: We are. Hey, he said he might have to get Cal's XCRA on that tattoo. That would be hilarious. 00:38:11 Speaker 3: I think as long as he's got something on his body that pertains to Cal Quantrall, I'm good with it. 00:38:19 Speaker 2: You know what, that's got to be a content thing. If he ever does it, I think, Oh. 00:38:23 Speaker 3: It's I mean, we're gonna I might send it to his mom. No, I can't. I can't do that. But what I'm saying is like, so the bet was I think it was like a it's an era bet and I was like, you guys don't believe in Cal. They're like, no, no, I don't believe in Cal. He delivered. He delivered. Now didn't this year, but it wasn't about this year. It was about last year, and he had it and he nailed it down. 00:38:46 Speaker 2: Well, speaking of delivering this year, I'd say the Mariners have failed to do so to the level of expectations that people have had, at least back in March in preseason. And now we fast forward. Trade deadline just passed. TJ and I broke it down on our last show. But the one move the Mariners make is or the one headline move, is they trade Paul Seawald. So from your perspective from that move and also what they got back, I mean, what was your take on how they approached the deadline. 00:39:12 Speaker 3: You know, well, one thing was I was really glad that they didn't trade Ty France or Taoscar Hernanez. I mean, Topoto, what are we doing. We're gonna trade bats, trade bullpen arms, I get it, bats, we need to hit take the Yankees to be like, you know what, maybe Aaron Judge should go, what do we do with he? Or why are we even flowing those guys as naves? No, So I'm glad they didn't do that. I wish they did more, of course. But what I will say is, if you drew a line in the sand and separated the winners from the losers, I'm putting the Mariners in the winner's bucket of the deadline, first of all, because they won the trade by I think a sizeable margin. And I'm just looking, you know, you guys are the Mariners guys, but I'm looking from a national MLB perspective, right, I've been on. My biggest bet of the preseason was the Diamondbacks over seventy four and a half wins, which I'm really excited about. So I've watched a lot of Diamondbacks games this year. Josh Rojas last year was a very good Swiss Army knife ben ben zobrist esque. It's a hard thing to say, say that five times fast ben zobras ESQ. And this year he's really really struggled, right. But he's a guy that comes from a university Hawaii who actually was teammates with one of my best friends from home, and he always said, like up here he had it. It was just about putting it on the field, and it showed last year. Just hasn't showed this year. But I think a change of scenery for him, we'll do him wonders. I think he'll be a fine player, and even just that for Paul c. Walt is not that bad of a deal. But then they got Dominic Canzone, who has proven he's a big leaguer at this point, routinely posting an ops over nine hundred in the minors, and I saw him a little bit. 00:40:57 Speaker 2: I like him. 00:40:57 Speaker 3: I think he's just I think he could be a good big leader. And then Ryan Bliss is tearing it up in the minor leagues, and you got that for a reliever, when I mean the Mayors don't need relievers. They could just put on just munios in the closer role. Right, what do the Mariners do best? They close out games. Now, this year it has been a little bit inconsistent, So trading Paul Seawald, I'm sure hurt because of recency bias. But at the same time, the Mariners and Depoto himself have been so good at developing, acquiring and just turning around a bullpen right like Topa I think that's his last name. I mean, he's been awesome. 00:41:30 Speaker 4: Who is that? 00:41:31 Speaker 3: Realistically like, who is that? But it's the same thing about with the Yankees, which they did with Ian Hamilton. Who is that? He's been great for them this year. That's what the Mariners do best. I thought they won that trade easily. Time Back's way overpaid. They were just trying to compete and they needed bullpen guys and Seawald's great, but Seawal they't elite. It's great, he's a great reliever, He's not elite, but you got an elite package for him. So I thought the Mariners, if again dross line in the sand, they're on the winner side. I do wish they did more though, that's why they're not one of the best winners, right, But I still thought they had a solid that line, if. 00:42:06 Speaker 1: I'm putting a winner or a loser in one of those two baskets, I feel like the team that would be in either one of those sides would have a direction. It felt like because the rationale I used on Wednesday show was well, if you are going to sell somebody on your team to get a good package, yes, they got a good package back because it was a seller's market, but not use that rationale for anything else. And yet on the other side, with other you know, rental players that would be available that like Mark Canna or Tommy fam or this, I mean, this is something I should have brought up on Wednesday but didn't. I guess have my thoughts together. So we're gonna get it out now. Or you think you think on the other side, like, okay, well these young outfielders make us better right now, we feel like that, Okay, so what else is going to make us better? Because we do still feel like, as you said, they needed bats and they didn't go and get anyone else. So that's where I feel like, if we're putting two baskets to each side and saying one winner and one loser, the Mariners, I might just put right in the middle of the two and just throw them on the floor because it didn't feel like there was enough of a direction to firmly say. 00:43:10 Speaker 3: That it's more than fair. And it's also Mariners fans are probably expecting more, right, look at the last couple of deadlines. The Mariners have been big time buyers. They've been the splash makers. Right, They've been cannonballing into the pool this year not so much, which I did find very interesting. But I look at the Mariners team, right, like the Yankees have a clear hole in left field. They did not add a left fielder. The Mariners, like they don't have like a gaping hole. Their guys just aren't performing offensively because it hasn't really been a problem with the pitching. Right, Kirby's been great, Gilbert's been solid, Castillo's been solid, Brian Woo's been solid. Right, Bryce Miller just got injured, But like that's a rotation. You're not gonna add really to the bullpen because you don't need to, so it would have to be bats. You did get can Zone and Rojas, who I think you guys are gonna see, are gonna be quality big leaguers for you guys. So I thought to myself, well, they could have traded for Jonathan India, but I don't think you guys really want Jonathan India. With all due respect to him. The crazy splits a great American ballpark, like there wasn't second basement on the market to be bought. 00:44:18 Speaker 2: You have JB. 00:44:19 Speaker 3: Crawford at short, right, you have Swars at third, you have France at first. Your outfield's kind of set. I know the Celnick injury really hurts. I just don't know what they could have done to really like make a big splash other than over spending, which we all three of us know that's not into Poto's nature. 00:44:37 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the big thing was people just wanted some mid level bat. I think people's gripe was they always felt the Mariners were a bat short, even in the off season, and it didn't have to be an a level guy that they went out and got. I think people wanted to see him in the off season, sign a Michael Confordo, sign of Brandon Bell, somebody like that. Or at this deadline, if if you traded for Marcanna, if you traded for Tommy Famp, just somebody who could boost the op a little bit, you don't have to go trade the world for Otani. It was just maybe you get something else, And I think that's where people's frustration stemmed a little. 00:45:07 Speaker 3: Bit more than fair. I agree, and they should have done that and they failed to do so that's all I got. I just I agree with you guys. 00:45:16 Speaker 2: I will say, though, to your point on Canzone, I think people and the front office specifically really buys what he could do. It's not a perfect comp but what a lot of people have been tying it too, since the trade is somewhat like Mitch Haniger in a sense, we're not just coming from the Diamondbacks. But Canzone's not some blue chip prospect. He is, however, a guy that's toren up at every level of the minor leagues. He's a little bit on the older side, he's a little bit slept on. It feels like the guy to give him a little bit of time and he could really really contribute in the five to six spot of this lineup. Not to mention he's got six and a half years of club control. 00:45:48 Speaker 3: I totally agree. I just don't Mitch Handiger had thump right. Mitch Haniger was hitting thirty plus bombs like that that guy is a Seattle legend in that sense where it's like tossing balls out of the yard. Ken Zone doesn't quite have that, but he has good batch of ball and he's a good defender. I think he's just kind of gonna be one of those like fan favorite type of players where you know, you're talking to people who don't watch the Mariners at all and be like, oh, who's dominant canzone and Mariners fans are gonna be like watch Mariners baseball and you're gonna see what he contributes because it's gonna be small, but it's gonna matter. And I don't think he's gonna be that impactful. But like I said, like then you got Rojas and you got Ryan Bliss, Like that is a huge package for Seawall huge. 00:46:32 Speaker 1: M Okay, yeah, yeah, I'm going to open the door up into the American League playoff picture a little bit and look into your world, and that's how I'm gonna start to frame this question of what the hell are the Yankees doing? 00:46:46 Speaker 3: Cowards if we're looking on the other side of a deadline like cowards, I mean, just cowards. Right, there's two buckets. Do you sell or do you buy, and there's a good argument for both. If you sell, we're not gonna make the playoffs this year. We're in last place where we're still above five hundred. There's still a twenty percent chance we make the playoffs. It's not our year this year. I can stomach that, and I agree with that side trade. Harrison Bader Wandi Peralta. You saw what Seawold got. You could get a great package for Clay Holmes, who's had a great year this year, right, Glabor Torres, imagine the pack. Imagine working with the Mariners. You guys would have given us a lot for Glabor Torres, right, yeah, yeah, nope, all right, buy then, okay, we need a left fielder. Let's go get Lane Thomas from Washington. He's available, He's been great. One of the Washington Nationals is gonna keep Lane Thomas. No one ended up trading form, which I found interesting. The price might have been expensive because he has years of control. Could have done that. You're the New York Yankees. You have a great farm system. You can stomach that. If you're gonna buy, you go get I don't know, more offensive pieces, get rid of Donaldson DJ, change it up. Nope, Kenyan Middleton pathetic, I mean just pathetic. I mean just didn't make a decision and then the pandering afterwards. Brian Cashman, we're in it. 00:48:12 Speaker 2: To win it. 00:48:14 Speaker 4: You know. 00:48:14 Speaker 3: We got Nestor coming back. We got Lewisaca coming back. News flash, Nestor as a five yar a lewisek is a reliever stop. This offense is not that much better than like the bottom five offenses in Major League Baseball this season. They're one saving graces. They can hit a lefty news flashy face more righties. Right. Pathetic, cowardly, pathetic deadline for a team that has shown that they're not on the same level as the Astros. It's the Rangers, It's the Blue Jays, is the Orioles, is the Rays. They're not there. And it was sad to say the least. 00:48:52 Speaker 2: Tell us how you really feel. 00:48:54 Speaker 3: Oh I did, and I will continue to do so because I don't hold back. I'm a Yankee fan, right like I worked for the team for two years. There is a level of I don't even know a good way to put it. It's like a level of confidence in themselves and like they don't see what's happening to the rest of the league, Like you're just not there, but you think you're there, and you keep burying yourself because they think they're the Ashers or they think they're the Rays. They should be the Rangers, right Steining seeger Semi and like they should, but they're not, and they're just They're going to be perpetually wild card teams and like maybe making it to the next round then losing to a team that's better than you just been the cycle. It's just a cycle. It's a never ending thing. Is this a thing of being? 00:49:46 Speaker 1: I think of this in a way that I know not all Mariner fans are a fan of Jerry Depoto, when some might see might think a change is a good idea, And I know that a good chunk of the fans I see are okay at the fact of Brian Cashman leaving. He's been there since before we were born, I believe all of us, and I don't think he's the only member of that front office who has been there that long. So is this is this a a I would say a result of complacency of from the organization that has allowed something like this for decades, Like where does something like this stem from? 00:50:27 Speaker 3: So hard to tell, because I can't. I'm not in the room with them, right, I can't speak to that. But what I can do is look at what's happened and then form an opinion surrounding that Yankees were very good in the late nineties, right, the Mariners were very good in two thousand and one. The Yankees haven't won a World Series since two thousand and nine, and that's when they bought all these players, ushered into a new ballpark. And ever since then, it's been above mediocrity. It has been you know, they've won one hundred games before, but I think even Yankee fans going into the playoffs were like, we're not gonna win even though we won one hundred games. And the Yankees, they use this word calculus a lot, right, this is our calculus, this is our this. I don't know how good they are in the air analytical department, if I'm being completely frank. Every team uses analytics, and the Yankees haven't proven that their analytics work right, and their are ideas win as many games as the regular season get in the playoffs, and the data says that it's a random tournament, and they're right in some sense, But there are a couple of teams who are always there and kind of always winning. 00:51:40 Speaker 2: Right. 00:51:41 Speaker 3: So it's a tough question to ask because what I've seen in the last half decade, Like I think the Yankees, ever since they got gen Carlos Stanton from the Marlins, they have bought into this power. They bought into the three true outcomes walks, home runs, strikeout, and then over the past season or two they've transitioned to getting more defense, but they've kind of kept the three tri outcome guys, and now they can't hit at all. So that's my only answer. It's it's it's just it's a it's a tough scene. It's a tough scene. Thank you for asking me, by the way, getting me back into my fields. 00:52:25 Speaker 2: Where does your Yankees fandom stem from? Again, by the way, because I know you're from California. 00:52:29 Speaker 3: Yeah. So I was born in Staten Island, New York. My dad, big Yankee fan, right, moved to California when I was two years old, and he said that I became a Yankee fan when I was like one or two years old, like laying on his chest watching the ninety eight Yankees, and then ever since then, you know, my friends are all Dodgers fans or Angels fans. They're shit talking the Yankees, which makes me like the more right, like only kid in my area who likes the Yankees, and that just be kind of came my thing. My dream was to work for them. Wrote my college essay about it. How was going to be the general manager of the New York Yankees. My college counselor was like, you want to do that? I was like, this is what I want to be. I'm putting my eggs in the in that basket, you know. Got into some schools and then ended up working for the Yankees for two years, but then I left to start just baseball, and I like what I'm doing now. I preferred over working for the Yankees, but if they need a new GM, let me know. I'd love to change things around there. 00:53:29 Speaker 2: That's a pretty good segue here is you started just baseball? 00:53:32 Speaker 1: Now? 00:53:33 Speaker 2: For what is coming up on two years? Right? I mean, is the date here yet? The two year date? 00:53:38 Speaker 3: No, it's it's pass it so April twenty. So yeah, I'll peel back the curtain a little bit. So when I was working for the Yankees, I was working in season ticket sales and the COVID pandemic hit, right, So I go home to California and I'm on the phone's nine am Eastern, six am Pacific, and I'm just dead tired, like waking up calling people asking if they want to buy season tickets for a season that might not happen. And it's just it was a grind, you know, it was tough. You know, my dad always says, if I ever write a book, uh, name it selling season tickets and a pandemic. Though that'd be kind of funny, but I always and my one critique for my sales manager was, you're selling well, but you're spending too much time on the phone talking about the Yankees. And I thought to myself, I was like, that's my favorite part of the job is talking about baseball. And you know, I was on the school news in high school, but decided that I was going to do sport management. Said something that I still kind of regret, wishing to go to a new house. But you know, I'm here now, so I mean, I don't have any regrets. I had a great time in college. But I was talking to arm and Arham. You know, COVID season canceled the minor league so both Jack and Arham they got their jobs cut because everybody the minor leagues did because it wasn't happening. So arm was like, I want to start a web site to write all my prospects stuff. And I was like, yeah, I'm down to write, but i also really want to start a podcast. And I'm also seeing on TikTok if you guys see the growth that people are experiencing on this app. And he's like, TikTok what And I'm like, I know, I've never done social media before, but I'm like, if I could just make videos and I'm seeing this blow up and it was honestly kind of ignorant. I don't even know if that's the right word. I just didn't really know what I was getting into. If that's ignorant the right word to describe that. So I was like, all right, So we started the company called Project the Plate and then we changed it to Just Baseball, and on April first, at twenty twenty one, I was like, I'm gonna make three gambling picks a day because that's what I love to do, because that'll force me to be consistent and post a ton and then on top of it, we're gonna be posting podcast clips. And I was like, by June twenty sixth, I think was the release of our website of twenty twenty one, If we don't have a thousand followers by then, we might have to keep our day jobs, right, this might just be a side hustle. We had fifty five thousand by then, so it just then became a company, right, just grew and grew and grew, got more writers added to the podcast network. You guys are great additions, like we said, And it's just it's been a wild ride of grinding non stop, and then the offseason I do football and then we still do the Just Baseball Show of course. So it's just been a every day just trying to get better. And I'm still new at this. I'm not perfect, right, Like, I never call myself a professional gambler because I'm twenty five years old and I have so much to learn. I learned something new every day, right, I just found that system I told you guys pre recording about the Mariners. Found that today, probably use it moving forward, probably be profitable for me, you know. So I'm just learning, trying to get better, and that's how our business is growing. It's just trying to bring on people to help us be better. And that's the bottom line. 00:56:53 Speaker 1: What do you think you've learned the most about how people digest content? 00:56:58 Speaker 3: Good question? What if I learned the most about how people digest content? So I think what's changed is that I used to think it was quick hitters. It was big, flashy in front of your face. This is, you know, the biggest steal of whatever. The more I'm realizing it is that I think being consistent is so incredibly important, just keeping your content in the eyes of people, because like, if you see someone enough and they sound relatively okay, you might try them once and just be like, all right, what is this? Why does it keep popping up with my feet? And then if you have insightful information, you're gonna keep people engaged. So I remember early on, I used to do these things where I'll be like short Reaction'd be ten seconds long with a soundtrack. Now we're posting minute stuff and it's just us and we're talking baseball, and I've seen more growth. Like early on that worked gets tires because people are like, what are you actually giving me? Right? So I think being consistent is the most important part of content and then just really like I know it sounds dumb, but like being smart, like providing people with value, Like if you're gonna make a video, would you watch it? Like is it worthy of that? You know? So for anyone getting started, make a priority that you are going to post at least every day. We post multiple times every day on Instagram. You gotta see how much time we post both like five six things a day, TikTok two or three times a day. Right, so podcast five days a week. So that's the main thing. 00:58:38 Speaker 2: I'll tell you a little story. I told Arm the same thing when he was on a couple months ago. But it'll it'll end with a question. It all ties together. And I was telling him how so I knew Arm and Jack at the time, and Tej did too because we were in the Cape League with him. Last year, I was broadcasting games for the Dayton Dragons. They were the Red High affiliate. I had a friend there who was on the sales team. We were driving somewhere together. He tells me that, you know, there's this baseball podcast I like to listen to. I was gonna put it on. I said, okay, sure, it's you guys. This is just Baseball Show. He turns it on in Dayton, Ohio, and I turned him. I was like, this is just baseball show. He goes yeah. I was like, yeah, I know these guys. He was like really. I was like yeah, I mean I was in the KP League with both arm and Jack while we were there, like twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen. He's like, that's pretty cool. A couple days later we turned right around this same friend says, Oh, my friends are at the game today. If you're around afterward, we're gonna hang out for a little bit, you can meet him. I said sure. I walk up to him and what's he wearing. He's wearing a just Baseball hat and same thing. I go, you know, I know those guys right, And he was like that's pretty cool. He's like I listened to him all the time. I think they're awesome, So I thought that was really cool. That was the first time I really realized. I mean, I was always watching you guys from Afar because I thought what you guys were doing was always awesome, and I thought the content was really good. That was the first time I realized how much it was really starting to blow up. So I guess my question with all that to you is when did you guys really start to notice just how many people were tuning in? 00:59:59 Speaker 3: Huh? So for me personally, like I've always thought that if I just make good content every day, people are gonna come see it. So I try and not worry about you know, I mean, I worry about the numbers because it's a business, and like we have to keep performing, but I'm just so much more concentrated on making the best content every day, and I just have a belief in ourselves. You guys included that if we just make good episodes every day, people will just keep tuning in. But I think it it was a really cool moment. So I was at the Yankee game with my dad and this was last year and I never sat in Legends before. And my dad knows or he doesn't know, but like has an off connection with Hailey Steinbrenner, who's the granddaughter of George Steinbrenner, and she helped me get my first internship and then I kind of worked my way up and stuff and they got us Legend seats. So we're sitting there and I was approached seven different times by people saying, oh, just baseball that kind of stuff, and my dad's face I'll never forget it was so proud and he was just looking at me. He's like, you really did it. And at that point, I never, like I've been approached by people before, Like I'll be walking the streets in New York and people come up and be like, y'll love the content all that stuff, and I really appreciate it, but I just never like, really, I just I appreciate the comment, but like I don't let it go to me. Like I'm just so focused on the bets of the day, the writing, the podcasting, Like I appreciate it, but I'm not. It doesn't like make my day right unfort Like I don't mean to be rude or anything. It's just I'm so focused on the content that when people come up and say, hey, I'm not like ooh, like I'm famous, like I've always said, like I'm not, I'm like niche like nerd baseball famous, Like what I that is? 01:02:00 Speaker 4: You know? 01:02:01 Speaker 3: So which I love? I'm a nerd. I'm not. Yeah, I'm the biggest there. I'd play it earth so are we but exactly, and that's why we love you. 01:02:08 Speaker 1: Guys. 01:02:09 Speaker 3: So when my dad was really looking at me, he's like, you made it, and I was like, that was awesome. Like that was the first moment where I thought to myself, all right, this is really working. So I'm glad you asked that question because that moment with my dad was really really key because you know, I quit my job with the Yankees to do this. It's a big step, but I was like, we're gonna make it, or at least I'm gonna die try. 01:02:36 Speaker 2: It almost feels like, I mean, it's not the same level. Well, first off, that's an awesome story, and I think that's really cool. You know, we've had that a little bit in our world. It's not the same level that you guys get it. But like last couple of months or so, when we walk around the ballpark, like there are people that notice us and will come up to us and say like love the pot or love the content, which is super cool and and it is rewarding for us because we never thought we'd ever even have like one person say that. Like, we just wanted to start that because we started this podcast one because we love the Mariners, and two we wanted to get more people excited about the team in some unique ways I think of anything. I mean, TJ, you can speak to this too, but like it does make my day. But if anything, I think it just motivates that motivates the both of us to just keep going. Like if one person sees it, how can we get like, you know, a hundred more people seeing it? 01:03:21 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And I think the moment for me, it had nothing to do with the ballpark. I've been going to the same gym now here in Corvallis for the last year and a half and I see this guy there pretty much every single day. I mean Eric, He's there pretty much every single day. I'd never talked to him before. What day did Paul get traded? Wednesday or Tuesday? To see you all gets traded? And I'm sitting there with the free weights and he walks up to me. He's like, Hey, what do you think of this trade? I mean, I see you guys on my feet all the time, and I'm just saying, like, seeing you every day for like a year and a half, never talk to you before, and all of a sudden, you're four hundred miles away from from home base to Seattle. I have someone asking about our stuff and that that is that's pretty crazy to me because we're we're a little bit more regional and when we get outside the region, it's it's it's pretty weird when when it happens, but it it it is really cool. I mean, it means people notice and nactually watch because they will remember your face. 01:04:17 Speaker 3: No doubt about it. Like you know, I've I've been recognized, you know in New York. When I go down to Florida, go back home to California, you know, we recognize a lot of t mobile park just kind of everywhere we go. People are you know, there's some people out there like, hey, love the content. And that's a good point. Like it does motivate me, and I I feel like I went about it wrong where I'm saying like it doesn't make my day like it it it makes me happy. Just my brain is so wired into the sense of like I gotta keep working. So like even if nobody ever came up and talked to me like ever, I would still be doing this. So it's like, I like my fear of failure is motivating me right more than kind of anything. So it's just like the cherry on top for people to come up and talk and I love it. But I'm just saying it like it doesn't. I'm not out here for that, and I'm not saying you guys are either. I'm just out here to grow the game of baseball and just talk about it because I love the game and I want more people to love the game. Just to boil it down to that. 01:05:23 Speaker 2: I've got one more question for you, But before we do that, I was gonna say, I think what you guys have done really well too, is you guys legitimately cover every team and can talk about every team, which is I think why you see you why people see you guys reach these smaller fan bases. I mean, I know a lot of people in the Reds world know who you guys are. I mean just from being in Ohio. I think a lot of the smaller markets certainly look at your guys stuff. I mean just seeing the comments and seeing the fans you have. Where a lot of baseball content out there doesn't hit the smaller markets like they just talk about the big teams. You guys genuinely talk about every team and break down every team, and I think that resonates with people because. 01:05:58 Speaker 3: I bet on every team so it's like people can talk about and no arma jacket, like they aren't betting, but they're watching all baseball Like that has been I think the best part of our company. And I'm glad you brought it up. We don't talk about the Yankees that much, right, like I do when Jack and Arham like get under my skin and want to fire me up, and I get pissed. But like, I love connecting with fan bases who felt that big media companies have left them for dead because there are so many great people out there that root for the Mariners, that root for the Diamondbacks, the Reds, the Royals. I've been on a countless radio shows where and I tell people this, I want to be able to go on a show and talk about your team, like I watch every game because I'm close to it. Like you guys have watched more Mariners games than me, But I think of all people who aren't Mariners fans, I think I've watched the most. Like you know what I'm saying, Like I'm just watching so much baseball all day long that I know what's happening in Seattle, right because I love covering the whole game. That's been my favorite part, Like I love New York sports radio and I'm a Yankee fan, but I much yeah exactly, Don Yeah, oh yeah, he's the greatest ranter in radio. Oh yeah he is. But I love covering national MLB stuff minor leagues. The WBC was a blast, right, That's my favorite part is uncovering good players and cool stories from teams that nobody really cares about, and I want to make you care about them because it's really cool. And every fan base has its own niche and its own great Like I was following the Marions last year because I just loved them, Like I loved just watching their games, so it made me fall in love with them, Like I'm wearing a Mariner's hat right now, like you know what I'm saying. And then like I'll hop on Cardinals were gonna do the same thing. Been a Royals radio, Braves radio, like all these different teams, and I just love the game of baseball and I love so many different players that it's honestly made me less of a Yankee fan because I'm like, I'd rather turn on the Mariners game right now, Like I don't want to watch my team. They suck, but they'll watch the Mariners lose, and it's like, no, but I love covering the game of all thirty teams. 01:08:31 Speaker 2: You know what, you want to watch the Mariners lose. You've gotten plenty of it this year, especially in April May, and a lot of June too, So it's right up your alley, right on my alley. The last question I have for you is, I'm sure you've thought about this at some length, and maybe it's a load of question, but I thought we'd ask it. Is in a perfect world, five to ten years from now, where's just baseball at. 01:08:54 Speaker 3: A lot of people ask me that, and my answer is always the same. I'm not worried about it. And I know that's kind of a weird answer, and a lot of people have a five to ten year plan and I think that's totally fine. I don't think like that though. I think day to day. I think, how are we going to make the best content today? And then I try my best to make the best content today, and then tomorrow I'm gonna do the same thing. I'm just keep doing it over and over again because I never know what's gonna happen. And I'm just like a weirdo like that. I went to Syracuse University without touring the school. People said it was gonna be cold, Like, I'll figure it out. Loved my time at Syracuse. People said I couldn't work for the Yankees. I was like, I'm gonna show you, and then I did, and I never and I thought it was gonna be working for the Yankees forever, and then I quit to start Just Baseball. I never thought we tried to have a thousand followers in two months, and we got fifty five thousand. Like, I don't know what's gonna happen. All I can control is today and then tomorrow. I'll do it tomorrow. I don't really think about what will be in five years, Like could I hope where I'm network? Like, I don't really want to be MLB network. I want to be different, right, I want to be the first Just Baseball. So and we're only gonna figure that out over time, right. I never thought that we'd have fifteen podcasts on the network and twenty writers two year, two and a half years in right, So it's just I don't know what we're gonna be in five years, but I know I'm about to go post a TikTok and I think it's gonna do well, and then I'm gonna bet tomorrow. I hope they win. Like that's only really where my mind is. It's like investors come in, sure, what are you gonna provide? Like all that kind of stuff. It's a complicated question because I don't know. But I'm just worried about today. 01:10:41 Speaker 2: I think that's a really good mindset to have, honestly, don't look that far ahead. Just plan on the day to day and the rest will take care of itself. 01:10:47 Speaker 3: Because I feel like if you try and plan for that, you're gonna do that. But like what if I don't like that plan in two years, right, things could change? 01:10:57 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. 01:10:58 Speaker 3: So I'm just trying to win bets and watch baseball and cover it the best way I can. Every day it see what happens. 01:11:06 Speaker 1: And to be honest, it just stresses you out if you if you just try and think too for in advance. Is that that's too much to think about? 01:11:12 Speaker 3: No need right, Like you know, you guys have had girlfriends in the past, like your parents might say, you know, do you see this going really far with your girlfriend? And You're like, I don't know, I'm enjoying it now. But then if you start thinking like, oh I gotta get married, then it stresses you out, and then like maybe you have then resentment for the girl, Like I have a girlfriend right now, a lover, but like I don't know what's gonna happen, Like I know I love her right now. That's that's just how my mind is with everything. It's like is it good right now? How we make it better right now? And then tomorrow we'll deal with it tomorrow. 01:11:48 Speaker 2: Well, Peter, this has been really awesome. All the talk we've had has been great. We loved having you on. We've loved being a part of the network. It's been a blast, and we certainly hope to do it again soon. In the meantime, though, we're gonna let you go because we have a show. Hey, Tani blow Up, Start. 01:12:02 Speaker 3: To all watch Let's go Mariners. Guys, Thanks for having me on. So excited to have you guys on the network. Marine Layer Pod to the Moon, Love you guys. 01:12:13 Speaker 2: Love that conversation with Peter Apple. If you guys want to know why just Baseball is going to keep growing, all you have to do is listen to that interview. I mean, he rm Jack, the whole crew. They are awesome at this and give it five to ten years. I know Peter didn't give his exact answer, but just baseball is going to be booming. It's already booming now, it's going to be even bigger in that time, and we're really excited to be a part of it. We love to having Peter on with that. That'll just about wrap up this edition of the Marine Layer Podcast. You guys know the drill. You want to listen to the full form podcast on audio platforms, you can go to Apple, Spotify, Google, and Amazon. 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