Episode 446: Where Does This Season Rank In The Most Disappointing Seasons In Mariners History? (Mailbag)

00:00:00 Speaker 1: Welcome to episode number four forty six of the Marine Layer Podcast. It's a mailbag episode, so we'll open it up and answer your best listener questions. 00:00:08 Speaker 2: You guys reminder, just before we start the show, do us a big favor. Make sure you go download these podcast episodes and make sure you go rate and review. Please leave it five stars if you get a chance. It really helps. If you're on YouTube and you're watching, just go hit that subscribe button. Find us at our website too, marine layerpod dot com. You've got our episodes, our Patreon, our podcast merch, it's all there, and then find us across social media. We're posting content every day at Marine Layer Pod. 00:00:31 Speaker 1: Let's get it rolling, and we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Layer Podcast, part of the Just Baseball podcast network, Recording here on Wednesday evening, August nineteenth. This section of the podcast, the first few minutes, will be recorded post game of Game two between the Mariners and Brewers. The entire mail bag portion it might sound a tiny bit off to you, we did actually record that earlier today before the game started, so for any context that happened in Wednesday's game, it will not be in the mailbag segment. 00:01:14 Speaker 3: It will be in just this segment here. 00:01:16 Speaker 1: Uh. I guess losing twenty two to nothing didn't like automatically send the Mariners home as they win here game two today. 00:01:26 Speaker 2: Yeah, it didn't like the They did respond and they did win. They didn't do a whole lot past the second inning, but they scored seven runs in the first two innings. 00:01:36 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:01:36 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, after getting shut out, I did, like, you know, they get shut out and all the embarrassing things that we listed off that happened on Tuesday, that they come out and within the first two innings score seven runs. Ye, it's got to make you feel a little bit better. And it did seem like there was a little bit of chip on the shoulder come out and respond a little bit more. I don't know how much we can really dive into it in this episode, since you guys are gonna be listening to this on Friday, and we'll have a series result that happens by the time you listen to this. But Lal and I aren't gonna have any of that content in this podcast episode. You'll have to wait until the next Monday for us to be fully updated. So like, there's only so much we can take away from this game. Specifically, I think what would be better lyle now that we have the result here today on Wednesday, let's play the two scenarios out. 00:02:28 Speaker 3: The Mariners lose tomorrow than. 00:02:31 Speaker 4: What same old story, same old. 00:02:36 Speaker 1: Story, losing a road series, losing to a better team, losing to both lefties in this series. 00:02:44 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that would check out. I think I think that would be accurate. 00:02:47 Speaker 1: I think what also would be true is we said going into the series, don't get swept, stay alive. You could have a four and five road trip. Even as bad as the first game was, a four and five road trip is still something you can manage. If you're able to snipe a couple of these remaining series you have against playoff teams, and there's a chance if they turn around and win it that that could This could be one of those series. But otherwise, yeah, I'd say I agree with that. Now they win, you know, that's where we might have to deal with comments from people are of or they back, which I would say, no, they're not back, but it would be nice to see. 00:03:28 Speaker 3: It would be a positive sign for sure. 00:03:30 Speaker 2: It's a good start. Like you said though, in one of our previous episodes. They are gonna have to do a lot of building to get people to truly buy back in If they beat the Brewers in a series, I mean, that's their best series win of the year, so sure, that would be a hell of a place to start, but it's gonna take a whole lot more than that because they've got a whole lot of ground to make up. 00:03:50 Speaker 4: They are still way below five. 00:03:51 Speaker 1: Hundred, and we're asking for like five minimum, like five series wins in a row, consistent consistent play, which, funny enough, if they won two of three games in five consecutive series low, they'd still be under five hundred. A lot of ground to make That's a lot They still have a ton of ground to make up. But this league also stinks, given that they are two and a half games out of a playoff spot right now and are seven games under five. 00:04:15 Speaker 2: Hundred, and their schedules really week in September, which we know. But yeah, there is a lot of ground to still make up, and you're gonna have to do some of it in August. By the way, I think we mentioned it later in the episode, but the reason we're sitting here and recording on Wednesday night, and we're doing it before Thursday's finale is because TJ and I are going to be out of town this weekend and we're gonna be at a wedding or I guess not just at a wedding, but in a wedding for one of our very good friends from ASU. So we're flying Thursday morning early, so we had to tape ahead of time, which will be one game short. But you know what actually benefits us teach by doing that is whether the Mariners win this finale or not in Milwaukee, we'll have a much better sense of what to talk about once they get off the Cub series, because if they win the series and then they lose two or three at home to the Cubs or get swept by the Cubs, then again, it's gonna be the same old story and even with one series win over Milwaukee, nothing will have really changed. Now. If they win two straight series, if they beat the both, if they beat both the Brewers and Cubs in a series, then we can sit there on Sunday night and say, well, maybe this is the start of something. 00:05:20 Speaker 1: And that's three consecutive series wins in a row. A lot of I think a lot of the more impactful things that need to happen is that the Astros also need to lose while you win. And through these first two games of this Milwaukee series, the Astros have mirrored you. So the Mariners did not gain any ground on Houston. I know they gained ground on Texas tonight here on Wednesday, but that doesn't really matter as much. The Rangers aren't in a playoff spot. That's not I don't think relevant now. I think what's relevant is the Astros. So if you go out there and you lose tomorrow to the Brewers and the Astros beat the Angels, which they should the Astros the Angels are awful, then you're right back where you started for the Astro series. And that's that just doesn't sit very well, I would think with the players, with the coaches, with the people in the front office, as you're trying to gain ground in the playoff position you actually want, i'd be you know, it's a lot of fighting for no ground game. 00:06:14 Speaker 2: Is there really any true takeaways from the Wednesday game before we get to the mail bag, because like again, they scored seven runs in the first two winnings and it seemed like a fire was lit under their ass for this game on Wednesday, which credit to him for that, But other than that, I don't know if there's really true takeaways. Logan Gilbert was fine, he kind of you know, he labored his way through five. 00:06:35 Speaker 4: Bullpen was fine. 00:06:36 Speaker 2: Bizardo got out of a big jam, so to have him respond was a good sign. But I don't know, Like, there wasn't any pressing takeaways that I had from this game. 00:06:45 Speaker 3: It's hard to make baseball takeaways from any single game. Real. 00:06:48 Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know they did enough. The bullpen didn't blow a complete seven run lead, right. I guess you can look that at that as a positive. And Andres Munos had a clean in, so that's a I'd say that's a positive. 00:07:02 Speaker 3: But yeah, I guess that's just about all I got. 00:07:05 Speaker 2: Brendan Donovan had another good game. I mean he reached base four times on Wednesday. He started to swing it in the last week or so. 00:07:14 Speaker 1: Well, if he can be hot for the final month and a half of the season, I think that that would mean a whole lot. Yeah, okay, I think we can get to that mailbag now, So without any further ado, let's get to the mailbag. 00:07:26 Speaker 3: Before we get to the mailbag, want. 00:07:27 Speaker 1: To tell you guys about Emerald Queen Casino's summer lineup of shows. 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Please game responsibly And a reminder to you guys, if you want to get in on these mail bags, the place to go is our Patreon that's patreon dot com slash Marine Layer Pod where you get access to ad free episodes, mailbag Priority and the ability to get on a video call with Lala and I once a month to answer any questions you might have. 00:08:32 Speaker 3: So that's something that sounds interesting to you. 00:08:35 Speaker 1: Visit patreon dot com slash Marine Layer Pod Maxton new Patreon members starts us off asking with expectations sky high at the beginning of the season and given the current collapse the team is experiencing, the overall feeling for ms fans has been teetering well beyond just being a letdown year overall. Does this crack the top five list of most disparaging or disappointing Mariners season Mariner seasons of all time? 00:09:03 Speaker 3: And what would your list be? 00:09:06 Speaker 2: So shout out to Maxton to answer your question, just to get right to the point. Yes, and this is number one. For me, it's number one. This is the most disappointing letdown of a season I've ever watched. It is the most maddening season I've ever watched far in a way, so and it's driven me absolutely nuts. Like I don't have enough words in the English language to describe this twenty twenty sixth season. But that's number one. We can kind of map this out together. But the rest of the top five I would say for me, both twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four are in there. I would say nineteen ninety six is absolutely in there. 00:09:44 Speaker 4: And then you know what's funny. 00:09:46 Speaker 2: I know a lot of people will say either two or three, but part of me like doesn't even put those years on the Mariners because they won ninety three games in those years. It was just a bad luck field and a shortened field where if there had been teams that got in those years, or six teams that got in like now, they would have gotten in. My last year would be twenty eighteen. I mean, you blew a ridiculous lead in the wild card and didn't make the playoffs again. 00:10:14 Speaker 3: This year's also number one for me. 00:10:16 Speaker 1: We're perhaps a little biased because we're younger and we missed half of the Mariners franchise existence, but also like the Mariners have never had a more favorable path to making the franchise's first ever World Series, maybe outside of two thousand and one, and at least in that year they excelled in the regular season and were the greatest regular season team of all time. This team's eight games below five hundred as of recording. 00:10:43 Speaker 2: Also, I would not say that two thousand and one was an easier path than twenty twenty six. You look, you lost in five and got boat raced by a Yankees team, But that was a Yankees team that had won three consecutive World Series and went to a fourth. I mean, that team was really, really damn good. This year's American League is a disgrace. 00:11:05 Speaker 1: But you're also I guess you're skipping over the fact that the Mariner said the best pitching staff and the best offense in the league that year. 00:11:12 Speaker 2: They did, but it wasn't an easier path. The Mariners themselves were the best team in the league that year. The path to get to the World Series was not because you had to go through a three time defending world champion that was just as strong as ever in two thousand and one. Who the hell is your big objects standing in the way? In twenty twenty six, the raised with look big fan of Chandler Simpson. 00:11:36 Speaker 4: He's a friend of our Bullpen Banner channel. 00:11:38 Speaker 2: Really nice dude, but like you know, he hasn't hit a home run all year, Like that's the guy standing. 00:11:42 Speaker 4: In your way. 00:11:44 Speaker 3: Totally fair, totally fair point. 00:11:48 Speaker 1: All that to say that two thousand and one isn't on this list because the end of the season was disappointing. The season as a whole was not because they you know, they made the ALCS. So I have twenty twenty six number one. I have nineteen ninety six number two because given that you have, yeah, at the same time, what you had four Hall of Famers all in your lineup at the exact same time, Griffy, Edgar, A Rod. 00:12:13 Speaker 2: Randy nineteen ninety six is one hundred percent number two, Yeah, and somehow missed. 00:12:19 Speaker 1: You missed the playoffs with those guys all in their prime, by the way, truly one of the great accomplishments of all time. And then I don't know, I put two thousand and two on there, because once you don't make the World Series and you win one hundred and sixteen games, then the expectation the next season is to win the World Series. And the Mariners didn't even make the playoffs. Yes, they won ninety three, but you know that you had to be better and they weren't that much better. And then I have twenty twenty three, and I didn't hear you say this year while twenty fifteen massive massive miss. 00:12:51 Speaker 2: Okay, maybe maybe I should take twenty four out and replace it with fifteen. 00:12:58 Speaker 3: Yeah, the twenty fifteen owners said all the hype in the world, and then from the start they just had no chance. 00:13:04 Speaker 4: That's a bad omission on my end. 00:13:06 Speaker 2: It should have been on there because I had Again, I had twenty six, ninety six, twenty three, twenty four, and eighteen, So maybe I'd subtract twenty. 00:13:18 Speaker 4: Four and put on their twenty fifteen. 00:13:22 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, right, but tween twenty six is far and away number one. 00:13:27 Speaker 2: Yeah, yes it is. But eighteen was pretty bad, Like, I know that wasn't on your list. It had been seventeen years at that point, Like the drought was dragging at that point, and they had this massive lead and blew it. The A's played incredible baseball in the second half. Not to take anything away from that team. That was very good, by the way, but uugh to blow that lead the way you did in eighteen brutal? 00:13:49 Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty bad. 00:13:51 Speaker 1: Next question comes from Michael on Patreon. Michael's question is why do you think the players seem to be so defensive of Dan Wilson. 00:14:01 Speaker 2: I mean, Michael adds some context to the question, and I think he spells it out, he asks, Is it because he lets them do whatever they want? Is that what we mean when we say somebody is a player's manager. It's not what everybody means when they talk about a player's manager. But I think his second line on Dan Wilson is not far off. I don't think things are very you know. I don't think things are real tight in that clubhouse. And I don't mean the chemistry between the players, although that doesn't seem that tight either. I mean the you know, the regiment, the schedule, the you know, the expectations. Because again, like at some point when you play baseball, that's this disappointing and things look exactly the same, and you've had all these culture questions this year with Luis getting pissed about the piggyback and callan Randy and a few other things. I mean, it is what comes to the eye as it doesn't look like things are, you know, very tight. Doesn't think it doesn't feel like a you know, it doesn't feel like there's a whole lot of structure. And also from talking to some people and from picking up some things, it's been the same sentiment that we've picked up. 00:15:15 Speaker 1: I think the best word to describe it is there's not as much pressure on the players put on them by the coaching staff specifically. Well, maybe there's pressure coming from the discourse online for the players that see the the talking from the fans or just like scoping the whole league, but from like the coaching staff themselves. Like with the amount of sloppy play and unfocused play this team has, like usually that comes along that gets fixed because the people in charge have a standard and if you don't meet that meet that standard, you're gonna hear a lot of shit when you get back in the clubhouse and back in the dugout. With that, it just doesn't seem like that is being held to these guys this season from what we can observe, and that leads to a more you know, positive atmosphere. But positive doesn't always work, as you can see it doesn't. 00:16:07 Speaker 3: People. The players seem very positive, but the team stinks. 00:16:12 Speaker 2: I will give people one little anecdote we picked up this year from talking. 00:16:17 Speaker 4: To some people. 00:16:19 Speaker 2: Well, the sentiment that was described to us was, and I quote, ice cream for breakfast. That's essentially what we were told. The vibe feels like in the clubhouse ice cream. 00:16:29 Speaker 1: For breakfast, and so how could you dislike that? If you're a player, you're making a ton of money and there's just not you kind of get to do what you want. 00:16:39 Speaker 2: You're Yes, I don't think pressure is the right word that coaches should put on their players, because you don't want to feel pressure. I think that's what Scott's Service started to put on his players toward the end, which ended up leading to his dismissal. But there needs to be standards and expectations set that are a lot higher than this. As we're recording this part of the episode, the lineup today is not yet out as far as I know, but I am very curious to see what this lineup's gonna look like. Oh wait, it's out and Julio is hitting fourth in center field right after what happened yesterday, Dude, like so many. 00:17:15 Speaker 3: What's funny as you open the app and look, look what's Look the highlight that's there in the ah that's Julio. 00:17:21 Speaker 4: Of course, of course it is. But I just went on Twitter. 00:17:24 Speaker 2: The lineup is out, and here on Wednesday is we're recording this because maybe we'll mention it earlier on in the pod. We might, but TJ and I are going to be at a wedding this weekend, and we're flying Thursday, so we're recording a little bit early. And here we are Wednesday, and Julio's hitting in this same spot, playing the same position. Doesn't matter that he chucked a ball into the stands on Tuesday night because he didn't know how many outs there were. 00:17:47 Speaker 4: Like, this is what I mean, Like when. 00:17:49 Speaker 3: You hear icena be fine. 00:17:51 Speaker 2: Yeah, you hear ice cream for breakfast, Like there's an example. It kind of reminds me of Well, I wouldn't totally compare it to the end of Pete Carroll's tenure with the Seahawks, because even though it was time to move on from Pete when they did, I still would not compare it to Dan Wilson and the Mariners' tenure. I would still put Pete above that. But remember when DK metcalf was picking up all those ridiculous personal doubt personal penalties game after game after game, and they put it up on a board. The Seahawks used to put his personal foul penalty. Yeah, his personal foul penalties up on a whiteboard, and essentially DK's like so what, like you know, Pete didn't really get on him about it. They put it up on a whiteboard, but they didn't get on him for it. Like there wasn't a whole ton of repercussions for it. So DK was like, eh, whatever. And then when he had to play for Mike McDonald for one year. I don't think he loved playing for Mike McDonald because Mike McDonald had actual expectations set on these guys and ran a lot tighter of a ship. 00:18:56 Speaker 4: Yeah, here we are, Julio's. 00:18:59 Speaker 2: Back in the lineup, hitting clean up, playing center field today on Wednesday. 00:19:04 Speaker 3: No wonder they like him. Yeah, yeah. 00:19:08 Speaker 1: Next question comes from Patrick on Patreon. Patrick's question is not baseball related because I think Patrick might be done talking about the Mariners. He asks TJ and Lyle, tell us about your first job. 00:19:20 Speaker 4: First job. 00:19:23 Speaker 2: I mean, I used to go to this all sports sleep away summer camp on the East Coast growing up. I mean, so this isn't really a thing on the West Coast. It's very much a thing on the East coast. So if we have East Coast listeners, you'll get it and you'll understand it more. But a lot of kids on the East Coast go away all summer and spend two months at a Sleepway camp. And my cousins went and they were on the East Coast, and I eventually ended up wanting to go with them, so I did. And I guess my first job would have been a lot of those kids, and a lot of campers will and they're too old to be a camper anymore, they'll go back and be a counselor for the summer. And I did that for a couple of summers, So that would have been my first job. And yeah, I mean I liked it. I mean I liked being at that camp. It was really fun. It was it was all sports. So that was my first job. And uh yeah, there's no like crazy stories from it, but that was the first job. 00:20:19 Speaker 3: Did lyle the councilor run a tight ship or was he more of an ice cream for breakfast kind of? 00:20:24 Speaker 4: That was probably more ice cream for breakfast. 00:20:25 Speaker 3: I didn't want to Is there double standard sneaking in? 00:20:29 Speaker 2: No, because I'm not the big league manager of a big league team, and I don't I don't consider myself to be applying for the position. 00:20:40 Speaker 3: Oh that's good. 00:20:42 Speaker 1: I worked at the Ballard Jiffy Lube for my first job that was fun. Was a different vibe than summer sleepaway camp. 00:20:50 Speaker 4: Was it fun? 00:20:52 Speaker 3: No, yeah, really, especially when it was cold out, it was. 00:20:57 Speaker 1: And you know you're dealing with people's very expensive cars, right, you can't mess anything up. Yeah, Thankfully, since I was underage at the time, I wasn't allowed to actually drain anything, so I guess that responsibility was not on me. But yeah, you gotta, you know, be careful, and you gotta get used to your hands being dirty, like literally all the time. I'm sure there are some some people who probably do manual labor for their jobs who listen to this, who probably understand like either they have like callouses or maybe they work in something like dirty in their hands are always dirty and. 00:21:29 Speaker 3: They can relate to that. 00:21:30 Speaker 1: But like, there was a solid like eight months my hands were like like half black and smelled like oil, and there's just like no choice. 00:21:39 Speaker 3: You don't really get a choice, But. 00:21:42 Speaker 2: I think I would I would have picked a different first job, like I know in high. 00:21:46 Speaker 3: School, well, I didn't really have a choice, Like I was applying all over the place because it wasn't wasn't my first option. They were just the ones who said yes, hmm, Yeah, I kind of got an ultimatum from my parents at that point that I was. I think I was either going to go away and do a job or get a job at home. 00:22:03 Speaker 4: So go away and do a job in high school. 00:22:06 Speaker 3: I yeah, I don't remember where it was. It was some something like some nature job that but you had to go You had to go away for like six weeks to do it, like clean up out in the forest or something. I don't think it was like it was either that or work at home. 00:22:19 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think you could have paid me to do that. Now? Is that? What is that what this question means? Or did they mean first job out of college? 00:22:28 Speaker 1: I thought it meant first job out of college or not not first job at a. 00:22:32 Speaker 3: College, first job period. 00:22:33 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:22:33 Speaker 3: I think we've talked about our first jobs out of college and yeah, funny. 00:22:37 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, you talked about being in you know, in Oregon for three years and yeah, I mean people, people who've been listening for a while live through that, my I guess. I mean, I don't know if I've told this on the podcast. Before my first job out of college, it's funny. I actually was in in Bristol at ESPN Radio for like two months, maybe not even because it was during COVID kind of like you applying to high school jobs. I was just applying to anything and everything because I was just looking for somewhere to do something and hopefully it be in sport. But I went for like two months. But it's funny, you know how you know people always see those four big letters ESPN and think, oh, this is the dream you've made. It Like, I learned pretty quick with that job, this is not what I want to be doing. Like there wasn't like this is no slight to the people that take those jobs, but for me and what I wanted to do, it did not feel like there was much of a path toward growth and a path toward like. 00:23:31 Speaker 4: Getting into the positions you wanted to be in. 00:23:33 Speaker 2: And it was crazy hours that were all over the place, and it you know, it wasn't like a lucrative thing, and it was really far away, and again, it just didn't feel like a big growth opportunity job. So I did it for like, yeah, two months, and I just kind of realized this is this is not it. So I I stopped after that and came back to Seattle. So yeah, like, just just because somebody works at ESPN doesn't mean it's always like the greatest job in the world, because it's not true. 00:24:02 Speaker 3: That's happened to both of us. 00:24:03 Speaker 1: I did like a sales job for two weeks out of college because there was like there was no there were no jobs. 00:24:09 Speaker 3: I was like, all right, I mean I got to do something right, and it was awful. 00:24:12 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean like the here, Yeah, the people I worked with were really nice. It's nothing about them, it was just, yeah, this is not what I wanted to be doing. I knew I wanted to be doing some form of talking, which back then I still thought it would be play by play broadcasting. And then a few months after I left the ESPN thing, I did my one season of minor league baseball in Ohio, which was right before this podcast started. But yeah, between both those jobs, I mean, especially the ESPN one, I was like, yeah, this is I just every everything you do is either like a positive or it's a lesson learned, right, And that was kind of a lesson learned where it's like this, this isn't what I want to do. 00:24:46 Speaker 1: I'd say, there's a reason we've ended up where we are. Yeah, like you just realize, like what else is out there? And if like you want something else, like take advantage of the opportunities, you have to like work for what you want. 00:24:57 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what That's exactly what we did. 00:25:00 Speaker 2: I mean when we work, when we found those first jobs twenty twenty one, I feel like we barely even knew what TikTok was at that point. It was, it was out there, it existed, it had blown up during COVID, but I'd never used it before. 00:25:12 Speaker 1: No, it's different, and now here we are five years later, and it is, you know, transformative. Yeah, and we have all of you to think for that. Seriously, be no, Well, even one more question before we pause. Jatine has a question, what is your prediction on World Series champion this year? 00:25:33 Speaker 2: I hate to be boring, Jetine, but it is the Los Angeles Dodgers that will repeat. 00:25:38 Speaker 4: That's my prediction. 00:25:39 Speaker 2: I know they're on a bit of a cold stretch right now, and I know that they haven't played their best baseball in August, but it never matters. These guys turn it up to gear ten come playoff time every single year. And with this group, I just don't see who's going to stand in their way for as good as we've seen this Brewers team be this week seven games, even with Miz going for a couple of them, I don't know. 00:26:05 Speaker 4: I just don't see how you beat those Dodgers. 00:26:08 Speaker 1: I also think it's gonna be the Dodgers, but this might Could this be it for them? 00:26:14 Speaker 3: This last year? 00:26:16 Speaker 4: Dude? 00:26:16 Speaker 2: I mean, are we gonna get into this? Holy hell? I mean, Mark Walter's going through it right now, isn't he. 00:26:23 Speaker 3: He's gonna have to sell them. 00:26:24 Speaker 1: It sounds like the Dodgers president came out and said, like a couple of weeks ago and said, no, I don't think they're gonna have to sell. But like everything that comes out like this dude is getting like closed on for twenty billion dollars in loans. He's been doing some like wildly illegal shit and now and now the bill is coming to do and he has until the end of the year to pay up this money. 00:26:50 Speaker 3: Like, you know, the only way you get that money he he tried. 00:26:53 Speaker 1: You know how we've talked about on here, like the Dodgers TV deal being so lucrative and they get like three hundred and thirty million dollars a year and more of it, they don't have to share with anybody. He tried to exit that deal early and get cash to pay off these pay off the banks. 00:27:07 Speaker 4: I think. 00:27:08 Speaker 1: So that's how that's how fucked he is. So like Mark Walter has to sell the team. There's all this payroll that whoever inherits the Dodgers. There is no way they're paying this payroll, No way in hell. I think they're gonna they're gonna start shaving contracts off this roster. And you know who's got a clause in his contract if the team gets sold. 00:27:31 Speaker 2: Yeah, now he does. But I don't care how much payroll they have to cut. He will never be sold because he's the greatest player to ever live. And he's also a cash cow for them. I know they're paying him a ton, but he still makes them way more money than they're paying him every single year. 00:27:47 Speaker 3: So he might be safe. But uh, katuck, I. 00:27:50 Speaker 2: Was about to say, you want to get back on the Kyle Tucker conbo, here's another piece to this equation. They might have to start selling off assets Dodgers. Van's a lot them eat A decent chunk of the deal. Could be a Mariner hmm. 00:28:06 Speaker 3: Wow, or maybe the Mariners take on all the deferred payments to Kyle Tucker. 00:28:12 Speaker 4: I don't think he has deferred payments? Does he? Does? 00:28:14 Speaker 3: He not? 00:28:15 Speaker 4: I thought he was one of the guys that didn't take deferred payments m kind. 00:28:20 Speaker 3: And that's even more incentive given that Mark Walter can't be paying sixty one million dollars for an OPS under seven hundred. 00:28:28 Speaker 2: Okay, thirty million of the two to forty million for Kyle Tucker is deferred, So it's not like show hey, where it's a ton? 00:28:34 Speaker 3: Uh yeah, they're gonna it. 00:28:36 Speaker 1: Sounds like they might be getting some contract off the book contracts all the books here soon. Also, I think Mark Walter might have saved the twenty twenty seven baseball season because as they realize, as all the other owners are now coming to realize, if they didn't know this already through their inner circle billionaire status, whatever, that the only way the Dodgers were actually able to afford a payroll like this is because, for one, it's sounds like again this is my like, not not research opinion. It sounded like the Dodgers they owned the what so they obviously owned the team and then they would borrow against like what they would borrow against. 00:29:14 Speaker 3: I forget what they would borrow against, Like. 00:29:17 Speaker 1: There was like X company and then they would borrow against something and then they would also borrow against like the insurance company as well that they also owned. 00:29:25 Speaker 3: So like this just loop, this loop of stuff. 00:29:28 Speaker 4: Uh huh. 00:29:29 Speaker 3: Maybe maybe we could do more of a breakdown of it in the off season when it's actually more important. But yeah, wild, so wild. 00:29:35 Speaker 2: This is what happens when you ask two ASU grads to on the fly talk about billionaire business deals. 00:29:42 Speaker 3: Yeah. Well yeah, I wasn't prepared to talk to this coming in so noice and it's just what it is. 00:29:46 Speaker 4: It kind of came out. No. 00:29:47 Speaker 2: I mean again, we can do more, plenty more research on it and talk about it in the off season, but no, this is uh, this is money above our pay grade. And by the way, this is why I will never ever like take the true side of a billionaire. Even if you are somebody that believes that a salary cap would benefit the sport and there is conversation there, I will never like your answer for wanting a salary cap in the sport better not be well, the owners just need this, guys like you just have to give him a break here. No, like these owners, these billionaires, almost nothing they all do is totally clean nothing. 00:30:25 Speaker 4: You don't become a billionaire without it. 00:30:27 Speaker 1: For the most part, I would totally buy into the conspiracy that all thirty owners or all other twenty nine owners in baseball knew exactly what was going on with the Dodgers. They didn't actually have a problem with it, knowing that he was gonna get caught, but they wanted to use it as a convenient excuse to you to cap in the game. 00:30:43 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yeah, No, I just don't. I don't try. I don't really trust billionaires. 00:30:51 Speaker 2: I gotta be real now, especially not especially not billionaires that own professional baseball teams. 00:30:56 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, before we get to our next mailbag question, Lyle, do you want to read net? 00:31:01 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk to you guys about our friends over at Pagatcha's Pub eighty five, because you guys know, it's this really awesome bar over in Kirkland where you can really just spend a good time with your friends. 00:31:11 Speaker 4: You can hang out, you can watch some games. 00:31:12 Speaker 2: There's twenty TVs in the place, and there's things like pool, and there's darts. There's obviously great food and the drink specials. 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With how your team is built and who's making big money on this roster, your stars are gonna have to get back to the at least their mean average of production next year. That's how it gets fixed. You can't have Cal hitting like this. You can't have Naylor hitting like this. You need Julio to hit for more of the season than he has so far. I know he's gotten hot here in August. That's what it is. Is there a deeper conversation here about an offensive philosophy shakeup? Yes, and a new hitting staff and a changed philosophy and how you approach hitting could change some things for certain guys. 00:34:17 Speaker 4: But the biggest thing is you need your stars to hit and they're not. 00:34:21 Speaker 3: Let's say, Cal Rawley not being one of the five worst hitters. 00:34:24 Speaker 1: In baseball's the biggest one if you want to fix your offense, that would probably be answer number one. 00:34:29 Speaker 3: Julio saying this every offseason. 00:34:32 Speaker 1: If only Julio would take a massive step forward offensively, that would be a big help. If you got rookie version of Julio Rodriguez back offensively. 00:34:41 Speaker 3: And then signing en Hap. Yeah, there are also. 00:34:46 Speaker 1: Questions you can ask about the organization's philosophy when it comes to hitting and how they're going to better message it and be a little bit more consistent with their hitters so they get more consistent results. But that's not something that you can like pinpoint something unless something drastic changes, which as of right now, we don't see that. No, no from the hitting side. 00:35:08 Speaker 4: That be not at all. 00:35:10 Speaker 1: Cad On Patreon is next and asks there was in a report about the Mariners really shaking things up this offseason. Should that include firing the entirety of the coaching staff and just starting with a clean slate. 00:35:25 Speaker 4: I mean, to. 00:35:26 Speaker 2: Quote Jerry Depoto from two years ago with Ken Rosenthal, everything's on the table, That's what I'd say. 00:35:36 Speaker 3: Hard to argue. 00:35:36 Speaker 4: Why why? 00:35:37 Speaker 2: I mean, again, the exact words of your president of Baseball ops publicly the day before they fired their manager in scott servis quite the day, quite the article. But yeah, I mean, I don't see how it's not at least a conversation. 00:35:53 Speaker 4: We've talked plenty about Dan. 00:35:54 Speaker 2: I think everybody listening to this knows exactly where we stand on that. But the coaching staff and JA, I don't know if they'll overhaul all the pitching stuff possible, but I think it's possible. You see a very big handful of new coaches in here. Also, if there's a new manager in town, he's probably gonna want us select a lot of his own coaches, so by default, almost you would probably see some new faces. 00:36:21 Speaker 3: Right, especially from outside the organization. 00:36:24 Speaker 1: I think a lot of the pitching staff stayed intact with Dan Wilson because Dan worked in the organization already, so it's familiar with those guys, right, I would say, Caid, that does seem like the most realistic big change the Mariners would make in the offseason. We talked on the last podcast episode about changing people in the front office or potentially you know, trading the biggest names on your roster, but those aren't realistic right now. It doesn't seem probably not realistic at all, so coaching staff seems like the most realistic of those big options. 00:37:02 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:37:03 Speaker 1: Next questions for you, Lyle, Lyle. This comes from Pucci Delgado on Patreon. Lyle, are the trophies behind you as impressive in real life as they are on the podcast? 00:37:16 Speaker 2: I wish I could sit here and tell you yes, but no, they're not that impressive. They're just they're just trophies. I picked up most of them from when I was a kid over the years, and I just I just still have them. So I wish I had a better story for him, but it's almost just a good background decor at this point. 00:37:32 Speaker 4: That's that's my big answer. 00:37:34 Speaker 3: Are there was a participation in trophies? 00:37:37 Speaker 4: Law? You know what's funny? 00:37:39 Speaker 2: Some of them are for winning championships in the Little League, Oh good things like that. So like I would say some yes, some know is what I'd say. I'll tell you one that's not a particip a participation trophy, because I know. He also asked, what is like the most memorable one you have or your favorite one you have? I mean my state championship ring from high schools up there, that one's my favorite. And I know I probably sound like the person that can't get out of his high school days and it's just reliving his high school glory days a little. 00:38:07 Speaker 4: Bit with that. 00:38:07 Speaker 2: But I don't know, like playing high school sports teaches you a lot, especially for me playing high school baseball, and it kind of developed or not kind of, I won't even say kind of. It developed the work ethic that i'd like to think I have now and a lot of things that in high school sports will teach you that. What that taught me is you can't just put in some effort quote unquote, like if you really want to go after something, you've got to outwork everybody around you and put in extra hours all the time, almost all days, and. 00:38:42 Speaker 4: Knowing that's what it takes to really get to where you want to go. 00:38:45 Speaker 2: So anyway, that's why that one's my favorite, not just because we want to and it was with all my friends that I'd grown up with and played baseball with forever, but there's also some lessons learned that have some deeper meanings behind it. 00:38:55 Speaker 4: So yeah, all right, that's very nice. 00:38:59 Speaker 2: I should have I should have picked up the ring if I had thought about it in real time. It's it's nice, like it's kind of heavy, and it's got like you know, it's got like the diamonds on it and everything. It's got our high school purple colors on there. It's it's it's got my name on it. Like it's a nice ring. 00:39:12 Speaker 4: Nice. 00:39:12 Speaker 3: Well, it's nice that you have one of those. I did not win a ring in high school. So we'll leave all those honors to you. 00:39:19 Speaker 4: I bet you don't have one, Corbyn. 00:39:21 Speaker 2: You just have a You just have a one hundred million dollar contract and a potential path to the Hall of Fame. But you know what, who's who's really laughing now? 00:39:28 Speaker 3: He'll just buy you out of yours probably, Yeah. Alex is next on Patreon. 00:39:34 Speaker 2: Alex So I was just gonna say no, I'm obviously kidding with that. Like we've talked to Corbyn a couple of times. He's like, the nicest dude ever. I'm not I'm not taking any shots. 00:39:44 Speaker 1: Alex is next on Patreon. His question is, if Jerry's deadline strategy relied partially on internal improvements, does twenty two to nothing a twenty two to nothing loss become the point where you finally shake things up? 00:39:59 Speaker 2: I mean I would have said yes, And it feels like a pretty good point to be doing so, but here we sit with no changes and so far, again the only changes you made is firing your third hitting coach and dfang your two worst hitters who are aging vets. 00:40:16 Speaker 3: I wouldn't use the twenty two nothing game as a reason to make sure changes low and I've been asking, been suggesting changes for months now. 00:40:25 Speaker 2: Well how I read that question is is this the final tipping point where you know things have been going badly for a while, but is that the nail in the coffin where it's like, okay, this has become untenable. And I mean my answer would have been yes, but again, here we sit no changes. 00:40:41 Speaker 3: My final tipping point was the Ray series. Oh yeah, what more could you need? 00:40:47 Speaker 2: That's basically been the point of the year where we're like, we're out and to us, it does not feel like this team has what it takes, because that showed you everything you needed. 00:40:56 Speaker 4: To see in that series. 00:40:57 Speaker 2: I mean, the sloppiness, the undisciplined ball, all the straight up losses, that whole Florida trip. 00:41:04 Speaker 4: That's when we're like, dude, I don't think these guys have it. 00:41:07 Speaker 3: And just to follow up on the second part, of his question where it's like, what is it going to take to see guys like a Royal or Kate Anderson this year? I don't know. 00:41:17 Speaker 2: At this point, it's starting to feel like they are holding Kde down so they can keep him off the forty man roster and let him still show up at spring training next year and get his workouts in, which is not what should be happening, but that's what it's beyond. 00:41:31 Speaker 1: Like maybe Mark Walter will save us all. Ralph is next on Patreon. Ralph's question is the day after the worst loss in franchise history, we the fans got an email notice about playoff tickets going on sale. Ralph notes that they are both flex past members. I know that was probably an automated message, but someone probably should have held that one back. 00:41:57 Speaker 3: A few days. If you were the Mariners, what would you be saying to fans right now to give us some reason to keep supporting the team. 00:42:08 Speaker 4: You can go first on this. 00:42:11 Speaker 3: I've written one sentence that they can tell everybody, quote, this is unacceptable. Here are the actions we're taking to fix the results in the twenty twenty sixth season. 00:42:24 Speaker 4: I like that answer. 00:42:26 Speaker 2: I know it's the point I know it's a cobo, but I would take your answer and just double it like ditto. 00:42:32 Speaker 4: Yes, that's that is what they should say. 00:42:34 Speaker 2: But in terms of what they really will say or can say, I don't know what they could say about this team at this point that is going to really inspire a bunch of fans. 00:42:46 Speaker 4: Now. 00:42:46 Speaker 2: I'm not saying people won't still show up to the games. They will because some people aren't always there for just baseball reasons. But you know the diehard baseball fans that are just living and dying by every pitch I mean, And yeah, I don't know how much you can say if you want to use more of a long term play. Look, it's not like this team is gonna just absolutely nose dive for the next five years. They still have all the pieces in place. They still got to I mean, it hasn't really been a great rotation by the numbers in a couple of years now, But you still have so much pitching in place, and you have your core bats in place, and you still have Brendan Donovan for next year, and you have your middle infield set for a while. 00:43:26 Speaker 4: Like, there's still pieces here. 00:43:28 Speaker 2: It's just that I don't know if it's all coming together this year or not. 00:43:33 Speaker 3: Yeah, I totally agree. 00:43:37 Speaker 1: But in terms of what they could say this year, I mean, the performance has kind of made this the sales pitch or lack of sales pitch for them. 00:43:48 Speaker 3: It's like, what are they like? They're like beer specials at the ballpark? Maybe beer. Maybe promising one dollar beer will get people to buy in. 00:43:56 Speaker 2: That would be like a throwback to our college days. There was this bar that TJ. Night and all of our friends loved to go to at ASU and it was on Wednesday nights. It was essentially right across the street from where I lived in Tempe when I was at ASU with some of our friends, and it was one dollar drink nights at this place. And let me tell you that plays with a madhouse every Wednesday. 00:44:20 Speaker 3: You know they still do that at some minor league parks. 00:44:24 Speaker 4: Yeah, that doesn't think me. That doesn't shock me. 00:44:26 Speaker 3: So they did it. 00:44:28 Speaker 1: I think they did it in the big leagues once Cleveland did it, and it was a total disaster. 00:44:33 Speaker 2: For anybody that might be listening from Arizona or that went to ASU that knows the bar. It's gone now in absolute rip. It sucks that it's not there anymore, but shout out the vine in Tempe. 00:44:43 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, we got three more questions left here on this mail bag. Cheryl on Patreon asks, this year, we've had multiple instances of players being hurt, playing through injury, then landing on the on the il the the meat of the question is where is this culture of sucking things up and not managing injuries before they become huge issues coming from? 00:45:11 Speaker 2: I mean, is this question essentially centered around team philosophy? 00:45:18 Speaker 3: Is that asking if this is like a Mariner's specific philosophy, which to answer the question, no, it's not. 00:45:24 Speaker 2: I mean a lot of guys around the league just try to tough out injuries and play through them. 00:45:29 Speaker 4: That's pretty normal. 00:45:30 Speaker 2: But the fact we've seen so many injuries this year and multiple guys that look like they're playing through injuries, that does feel like, at least for twenty twenty six, a more Mariner's focused trend than some other teams. 00:45:50 Speaker 4: Because you know what's going on. 00:45:52 Speaker 2: We talked about this on a previous episode with you saw it with cal, you saw it with Naylor, and seeing it with those guys, clearly it was going on with CULTA. Somebody left us a comment and the right one. We didn't add into that too. Luke Rayley clearly was banged up also trying to play through things. So yeah, I mean, it's a lot and it's not helping the team, But I don't think it's a Mariner's specific philosophy, if that's what she's asking. I mean, it has very much been a Mariner's trend this year that that's been happening, But other teams have plenty of players try to play through injuries. 00:46:27 Speaker 1: And I'd say the other thing I add is that teams and players alike know that a hurt, everyday, full time player playing through injury is still better than a backup, quad a player. So that's why they're willing to make that sacrifice. For the Mariners this year, that doesn't really seem like the case because the guys who've been playing through injuries have severely underperformed, mostly focused on calend Cult, but it has certainly affected guys on all levels of this team. Yeah, I mean it's unfortunate because it's kind of thrown the Mariners offense in the season off the rails. Yeah, I mean, sometimes that's bad luck, but sometimes it's also bad management too. And again in Colts case, given though we still don't even really have that many details on it, Like I don't even know if we talked about this when the issue came up, Like was he getting treatment on his injury during the season, I have no idea. 00:47:24 Speaker 3: Like if no one knew about it, I can't imagine he was. 00:47:28 Speaker 2: Yeah, the whole thing's kind of wild. That whole situation was not great. 00:47:32 Speaker 1: Like if you're like Cal for example, he's always banged up during the season. He always talks about how banged up he can get during the year because he catches all the time. 00:47:39 Speaker 3: He's always getting treatment. 00:47:40 Speaker 1: That's why he's never really out on the field, because he's in the training room getting treatment to prepare him for the game. But in like Colts case, if no one knows about his injury, is he getting treatment at all? And if he's not, again, that's just not taking very good care of an injury. There's like being hurt versus trying to prevent yourself from being more hurt, And that's where it definitely has cost the team at points. 00:48:03 Speaker 4: Yeah, agreed. 00:48:06 Speaker 1: Xander on Patreon asks why does this team seem so unfocused? 00:48:13 Speaker 2: Talked about this man? If they seem unfocused. I can't definitively say it's because they are unfocused, but sure feels that way. 00:48:23 Speaker 4: And we will continue to say the same thing we've said. 00:48:25 Speaker 2: About this topic. When it's been like this all year and you see the same trends over and over. This is on the coaching staff. If you have an unfocused ball club, that comes back to culture, it comes back to philosophy, and that stuff falls on the coaches. These are not physical mistakes. If people wanted to know why Cal Raleigh is not opsing nine hundred again this year and why he's had such a brutal season at the plate, I mean, maybe some of that can be chalked up to the coaching staff. Maybe some of it can be toward what they're working on internally or philosophy, but mostly that stuff's on the player. If a players just not playing well, Cal's not hitting fastballs, if Julio's still chasing all the time, which he is, those are physical. Those are physical issues that are on the players. Focus culture fundamentals, it's on the coaches, and. 00:49:17 Speaker 1: It all comes from like an expectations that the leaders hold to the people below them. It does come back to like the leadership issue of the team, where if if it's Cal in charge, then you know it's Cal's Cal's job to hold a standard of for everyone being focused. If it's not Cal, then it's supposed to be you know, the next guy who's supposed to lead, which is Dan Wilson, and Dan Wilson holds the expectation for like here's the bare minimum level of focus we're expecting on a day to day basis. And Yeah, that definitely doesn't seem like it's being held whoever it's coming from. I mean, I'll ultimately leave it on the coaching staff because that is probably something that starts and ends with them, Like that is their responsibility to make s that is executed, whether or not they're the ones executing. 00:50:03 Speaker 3: It or not. 00:50:04 Speaker 4: Yeah, agreed. 00:50:06 Speaker 3: Like last year was definitely a little bit better with Cal heading sixty home runs and leading the team and not seeming not feeling like there are as many focus issues, and then this year. 00:50:17 Speaker 4: It's just just bad again. Battle over the place talked about a plenty. 00:50:22 Speaker 2: Cal probably doesn't feel like he's in a place to lead in the same way that he has in years past. Certainly like last year when he was an MVP candidate, and then when he's not doing that, who does it fall on? And again when it's supposed to be the manager. All the reports are well, Dan essentially lets Cal run the clubhouse. He leaves the clubhouse to Cal, which means how often do you step in and really take charge? 00:50:46 Speaker 4: I don't know. 00:50:47 Speaker 2: There's only a handful of people that would know that, but it's showing on the field right now that there is a lot of unfocused baseball. 00:50:55 Speaker 1: We'll wrap up the mailbag with this final question. Michael on Patreon asks non marritors question, which Seahawks game are you most looking forward to and what is your record prediction. 00:51:08 Speaker 2: I don't see how I could pick anything other than the Rams game on Christmas. I mean, these Seahawks Rams games have turned into not just appointment viewing in the NFL, but I mean I get more fired up for these Rams games than the Niners games at this point. It feels like there is more bad blood between those two teams than Seattle and San Francisco at this point. So I would say the Rams game on Christmas, and then I would say record prediction twelve and five. They're gonna be really good again this year. But last year they were fourteen and three or thirteen and five. I think they were, yeah, fourteen and three, so I'll say twelve and five. It's hard to repeat fourteen and three. But they're gonna be a Super Bowl candidate again. They're gonna be a contender again. 00:51:53 Speaker 1: I'm right there with you for that game. There's a lot of good games late in the season to decide on that. I mean, you host the Cowboys on Monday Night Football, You're at the Niners right after Thanksgiving. That's gonna be fun. But then the two Rams games in three weeks to close out the season is it's just really hard to beat. 00:52:11 Speaker 3: I'm with you. 00:52:11 Speaker 1: I mean, it feels like like an eleven win floor. They're probably not gonna be as good as they were last year, and that just happens. It is very hard to repeat as Super Bowl champions, and it's hard to keep a high standard in a salary cap sport where you start have to paying guys like the Seahawks have done this offseason the last two off seasons. Tough to keep the depth that you once had. 00:52:32 Speaker 3: But the team's still gonna be really good and I'm really excited and they have a team that has a great process in place which is refreshing. 00:52:41 Speaker 4: And a great leader of men and a great head coach. 00:52:44 Speaker 1: Yes, and details, accountability, philosophy, communication, execution. 00:52:51 Speaker 2: And by the way, mixed in with all that, still a lot of positivity and love and culture in that building. I mean, that group of guys loves playing for each other, but man, do they hold each other accountable. 00:53:01 Speaker 1: I was listening to uh to Brockansas this morning here on Tuesday as our Wednesday morning as we're recording this, and Brock has like gotten onto the point where he notes that like the last three Tuesdays, that hard knocks will come out and you get this inside look to the Seahawks culture and all those things I just listed off on how well they do these things and how buttoned up they are. And then he like and he's pointing out like, in that same span, the Mariners have lost those three games thirty four to one and are showing none of the same qualities. 00:53:32 Speaker 2: That's the combined score two thirty four to one. Yeah, nuts, not great, Bob, No, no, it's. 00:53:40 Speaker 4: Not, oh man. 00:53:43 Speaker 2: And then the Seahawks are signing like everybody off the streets. Man, They're signing Trayvon Diggs. They signed Terry and Arnold, Like. 00:53:48 Speaker 3: Everybody, I really need some corners, I. 00:53:51 Speaker 2: Guess yeah, I mean no, they do. They do need corners. So yeah, that's my prediction. Seahawks are gonna be fun. There's no doubt. May we'll talk to some Seahawks in the off season when there's like no baseball going on. 00:54:02 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no baseball, have nothing else to do. 00:54:04 Speaker 2: Right exactly anyway, fun mail bag, you guys always crush it. Thank you guys for all the questions. Certainly thank you guys for the fun non Mariners questions to mix in there too, because especially when the season's gotten to the point like this that's gotten to it's fun to mix some stuff in. 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