Episode 454: The Mariners Bullpen Slide Started At This Moment.....

00:00:00 Speaker 1: Hey guys, just a reminder to all of you, the next couple of Tuesdays, we have live events that we would love you guys to come out to. This upcoming Tuesday, September 15th, we're doing a live podcast taping over in Kirkland with our friends at Moss Bay Hall and our friends at Corona, where we'll have a bunch of giveaways. We'll be watching the game. You can hang out with us and watch us tape the podcast live on site afterwards. That's this Tuesday, September 15th over at Moss Bay Hall in Kirkland. And then the following Tuesday, which is the 22nd, we'll be back over with our friends over at the Emerald Queen Casino, where same idea, we'll be watching the Mariners game against the Astros that night, hanging out with you guys, and then taping our podcast live from the casino after the game. So if you're in the area and you can come make it out and you can come hang out with us and you want to get some cool prizes and giveaways as a result as well, Mark it on your calendars this Tuesday, September 15th at Moss Bay Hall, and then the following Tuesday, September 22nd at Emerald Queen Casino. 00:00:57 Speaker 2: Can't wait to see you guys there. 00:00:58 Speaker 3: Welcome to episode number 454 of the Marine Layer podcast. The Mariners lose game one to the Texas Rangers. We'll talk about that. We'll talk about the Mariners' bullpen struggles in the second half, and we'll also talk about what the second half of the season is telling us about these few Mariners players. 00:01:15 Speaker 1: Reminder to you guys before we get going here, just make sure you download these podcast episodes if you're listening. And please make sure to go rate and review and leave it five stars on wherever you're listening to your podcast. Go hit that subscribe button if you're listening. You can also find all of our stuff at our website, which is marinelayerpod.com. Episodes, Patreon, merch, it's all at our website. And then find us on social media too. We're posting every day at marinelayerpod. 00:01:41 Speaker 3: Let's get it rolling. And we welcome you to this episode of the Marine layer podcast, part of the just baseball podcast network recording here late at night, Tuesday, September 8th, the Mariners lose to the Rangers 10 to five, uh, as essentially we've come to expect for the rest of the season. So we thought we'd start this podcast off by checking out what Dan Wilson thought of the Mariners game one loss tonight. Yeah. 00:02:18 Speaker 1: Um, you know, not how we wanted. 00:02:19 Speaker 3: To start the series tonight. 00:02:20 Speaker 2: Um, you know, tough one for sure. 00:02:22 Speaker 3: Uh, So just want, just wanted to hear what Dan had to say. Lyle, tough one tonight. 00:02:31 Speaker 2: Tough one tonight. 00:02:32 Speaker 1: Now, are you sure that was audio from Tuesday night's loss? Are you sure that was audio from there? Or was it game one, game four, game seven, game 12, game 22, game 56, game 84, game 102, game 104, game 110, game 115. 00:02:45 Speaker 2: Like, are you sure that's from tonight? I'm pretty sure. Are you sure? Yeah. Because some people are talking. 00:03:00 Speaker 1: I mean, some people are talking and saying that, well, they're all starting to kind of blend together at points. In fact, somebody made a point with audio to verify that. 00:03:08 Speaker 3: Tough one tonight. 00:03:09 Speaker 2: Yeah, tough one tonight. Tough one today. Yeah, tough ball game tonight. Yeah, tough one tonight again. 00:03:14 Speaker 3: Yeah, tough one tonight. 00:03:15 Speaker 2: Yeah, tougher one today. Tough. Are you sure it's from Tuesday? 00:03:19 Speaker 3: I think so still. 00:03:23 Speaker 2: Oh, good. Well, that's good. 00:03:25 Speaker 3: What a great compilation. We had multiple people send that compilation to us. 00:03:29 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:03:30 Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's been sent to most Mariners fans at this point. It's just a tough one tonight. 00:03:34 Speaker 3: Did anyone count how many were in that video? 00:03:38 Speaker 2: It felt about 20 plus to me. 00:03:42 Speaker 3: But you know, there's like 150 more out there somewhere. Yeah. 00:03:46 Speaker 1: I mean, that's not even counting last year or when he took over. Does someone want. 00:03:51 Speaker 3: To go back to his first loss as Mariners manager and find that press conference? I'd be fascinated to hear what it sounded like. 00:03:57 Speaker 2: I'm sure it was a tough one. I'm sure. 00:04:02 Speaker 3: Like you would think so, but it'd be like a tough one with less ums, yas, and you knows, right? Like I heard, um, like, like, Salk did this on a show, I think, last Monday. 00:04:16 Speaker 2: I was just about to say this. 00:04:18 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was going to say he went and found audio from 2025 spring training and had it was a question they asked him about their mindset going into the season. And Dan Wilson sounded a lot more concise and confident in his answer. with less ums and you knows, and it was actually, like, you know, a coherent thought put together, like, something he actually thought about before he answered it, as opposed to some of the post-game stuff, where it's essentially question gets asked, and then, like, ums, yes, you knows, and then just cover, without even really thinking about the question or answering it thoughtfully at all. Like, huge change in the span of about two years, and I wonder if In a negative connotation, because Salk did it in a positive connotation, after a first loss as a manager, how did he sound? 00:05:10 Speaker 2: We've got to go find it. It's got to exist somewhere. 00:05:12 Speaker 1: Or maybe somebody that's listening will find it too, and they can send it to us. Because I've got to say, when we throw homework's the wrong term, because we don't force people to do anything that we say on here, but when we float out the, oh, I wonder if somebody could find this, somebody's usually pretty good about finding said topic. and sending it to us, whether it's on social media or via email, people are good about that. So I don't know, maybe somebody will find it. No, no obligation, but if somebody does, I'd be interested. 00:05:41 Speaker 3: So like, if I go on the Mariners YouTube channel right now, like they. 00:05:46 Speaker 2: Don't post all their post game press conferences. 00:05:50 Speaker 3: Like if I'm just going to do like a big scroll, they do do a lot of spring training press conferences. That's that's for sure. 00:05:58 Speaker 2: But I don't think they do. 00:06:00 Speaker 1: I don't think they do a ton of in-season press conferences, to be honest with you. 00:06:06 Speaker 3: No. But maybe since it's his first one, they'll have it on there. 00:06:11 Speaker 1: Listen, guys, we're just sitting here and talking about this for the first couple minutes of the episode. Why? Because, again, as we've already declared on Monday, the season is over. I think they've just further proven that here on Tuesday night. As you get blanked again, and. 00:06:26 Speaker 1: Dominated by a Texas Rangers team that has not been all that impressive in their own right. Cal Quantrill wasn't lighting the world on fire, but it's not like the Mariners jumped all over him either. They scored a couple of runs late against former Mariners farmhand Adam Macko, who's in there to just mop up and make sure the Rangers hold on and win the game. And again, we can get to this, but you had one really amazing, electrifying moment in this game, and then in the blink of an eye, it goes away. Because Cal Quantrill in the start, again, he wasn't lighting the world on fire, but he put up a quality start. Again, I mean, six innings, three earned, four Ks. Cal Quantrill's actually been really good in his last handful of starts, but the Mariners. 00:07:08 Speaker 2: He's. 00:07:09 Speaker 3: Got a sub-3 ERA this season. 00:07:11 Speaker 1: Right, but still, like, they don't hit Cal Quantrill, they don't hit Jeffrey Springs, they don't hit Jacob Lopez when it was back in April. I mean, you know, these AL West guys that they should jump on, they don't jump on. 00:07:21 Speaker 3: Well, one guy hit. Shout out to Laz Montes for hitting the farthest ball I've ever seen at T-Mobile Park. 474 feet per stack cast, the longest home run hit in T-Mobile Park history. He topped Mike Zanino. He topped Chris Carter. He topped CJ Krohn. He topped that ball we watched Shohei Otani hit into the third deck in right field. 00:07:46 Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is all going to be about Laz Montes. Because it was an unbelievable swing. But this is sometimes why I have trust issues with StatCast a little bit on these measurements. That ball was tanked that Laz hit. Absolutely obliterated. But I cannot say I thought it was a farther home run ball than the one Shohei hit. Because Shohei's went to... Yeah, because Shohei's went to right field and it essentially gets stopped by the fourth. 00:08:13 Speaker 2: Deck up there. 00:08:13 Speaker 1: Like, imagine if that ball... Imagine if there was no deck up there and the ball keeps traveling. I. 00:08:20 Speaker 1: I will stand 10 toes down that that Shohei home run in 2021 that he hit off Marco Gonzalez as an angel at T-Mobile Park is the farthest home run ball I've ever seen hit. And while it was only measured at about 460, there's no way you can convince me that ball didn't. 00:08:38 Speaker 3: Go 500 feet. The disagreement I have with that is, well, yes, you're totally right on a lot of your points. We have seen hitters hit a ball up there before. Multiple hitters down. 00:08:53 Speaker 2: Not where he hit it. 00:08:55 Speaker 3: I mean, he hit it a few rows above where Cal hit it when he hit his 59th home run last year. 00:09:00 Speaker 1: Yeah, but that one, Cal's 59th was down the line, and it was like in the first half. Shohei's was approaching much more toward right center, and that thing got like up into where one of the entrances was up there. 00:09:15 Speaker 3: I think those two balls landed within like a section or two of each other. 00:09:20 Speaker 1: I think Shohei's was pushed out more toward right center. The problem is that was during COVID broadcast. So there wasn't a perfect angle of it. 00:09:27 Speaker 3: I just remember there was not, but they don't measure those on the broadcast. They, the, the, the stack cast has the, they measure it again. 00:09:37 Speaker 2: You guys, you and I saw that one live. Cause we were at that game together. 00:09:41 Speaker 1: That was two years before the podcast ever started, but, I remember to me, that is the farthest ball I've ever seen hit. So our friend, Peter Apple, who's the host of the just baseball show and a friend of ours does this thing on Twitter called Peter vision, where he doesn't trust stat cast and some of the numbers they put up. And I'll say, here's what Peter vision has this at to spin that off from Peter, like Lyle vision of that show. 00:10:05 Speaker 2: Hey Homer. 00:10:06 Speaker 1: Oh, 510 feet minimum. 00:10:08 Speaker 2: I like it's, it was not four 60. 00:10:12 Speaker 3: The counter for Laz is that he also hit a ball that no one has ever hit into that location. No one has made that concourse in that area. 00:10:22 Speaker 2: Oh, I'm not taking anything away from Laz. 00:10:24 Speaker 1: I just think what helps with the distances with that is he hit it to straightaway center field and it was not stopped by anything. Whereas Shohei's was essentially stopped by a top deck. Statcast doesn't measure the ball as it's stopped. Again, but there's no perfect way to measure when it comes down. 00:10:47 Speaker 3: But that's math. You can measure when it comes down. 00:10:50 Speaker 2: Well, again, I have trust issues. 00:10:52 Speaker 3: You pay attention in class, right? 00:10:53 Speaker 2: No, absolutely not. Not especially not in math class. Dude, I don't think I took. 00:10:57 Speaker 3: It's like the exit velocity and the angle and the wind and the gravity. That's how you calculate how far the ball travels. 00:11:03 Speaker 2: Dude, I don't think I took physics. 00:11:06 Speaker 3: Clearly not. 00:11:06 Speaker 2: I have trust issues with StatCast. Anyway. 00:11:11 Speaker 3: Back in the day, they used to do what you did. You're like, oh man, I mean, it stopped up there. So I can't. It's like the ball McGuire hit off of Randy Johnson in the Kingdome. Like, it stopped because it hit the back wall, and that's where they measured it. But it could have kept going. Correct. 00:11:27 Speaker 1: Like Shohei's could have. So, trust issues. Anyway, let's not take this away from Laz. Let's make this about what was an absolutely majestic, electrifying, awesome home run off the bat of Laz Montez, which, like you said, 474 feet. landed up on the concourse in center field, clearing the J-Rod squad in center field, and a ball that went where no ball has gone before in T-Mobile Park. Stat cast or no stat cast? No one's ever hit one onto the concourse in center field. And Laz Montez not only did it, but he did it as his first home run in the city of Seattle and his first home run at T-Mobile Park and just his second home run of his big league career. 00:12:11 Speaker 2: That is pretty awesome. 00:12:13 Speaker 3: Laz is doing exactly what we expected him to do when he came up to the big leagues. He has 19 plate appearances. He's churned out a 130 WRC +, which is pushed by the two home runs he's hit. He's struck out 47% of the time and managed to be above league average offensively at the plate. Slug and swing and miss, man, and he's doing all of that. 00:12:39 Speaker 1: I mean, if we consider that Cause we've talked about some of the limitations that come with the, the game and the profile of Laz Montez. 00:12:49 Speaker 2: Is there a world? 00:12:49 Speaker 1: He just creates a new norm where he strikes out like 39% of the time in the big leagues, but he's still an all-star because he hits 34 homers a year. 00:13:02 Speaker 2: And he, I don't know. 00:13:03 Speaker 3: Not possible. 00:13:04 Speaker 2: Probably not. 00:13:05 Speaker 3: If you're striking out 39% of the time, hitting 30 home runs is almost impossible. 00:13:12 Speaker 2: Well, it's only 30 at-bats. 00:13:14 Speaker 3: But you need to make enough contact with the baseball. 00:13:19 Speaker 2: I know. 00:13:19 Speaker 3: Should we go back to math? No. 00:13:22 Speaker 2: This is what happens in a. 00:13:24 Speaker 1: I absolutely do not want to go back to math. Brother, I didn't go to ASU to play school, as Cardale Jones would say. 00:13:29 Speaker 3: Oh, clearly not. 00:13:32 Speaker 1: I would say that, yes, over 20 plate appearances. It's just not enough of a sample. Like, it's not that shocking that Laz has racked up a few strikeouts and hit a couple of absolute piss rockets. But yes, to verify what you said, he is doing exactly what we thought he'd do so far. There has been swing and miss, and there has been some absolutely majestic home runs. There's been a pair of them, and none more so than the one he hit in Seattle on Tuesday. 00:14:03 Speaker 3: And then Laz Montes gets the perfect 2026 Seattle's Mariners treatment. where he hits the coolest home run at all time, cuts the lead to one run. He's getting showered in the dugout. The fans are cheering him. Everyone is so excited to see this jolt of energy in the ballpark in a season that has been so disappointing. And the men, the Mariners turn around on the top of the fifth and give up five runs and the game is over. 00:14:32 Speaker 1: Remember those old Staples easy buttons in offices that people used to have? You'd hit the Staples easy button and it would just blurt out, that was easy. They used to do it in commercials too. 00:14:44 Speaker 2: You remember those? Yeah, I remember that. 00:14:47 Speaker 1: Whatever easy button Dan Wilson has in his dugout or in his office, he must have broken the voice on that thing by now. 00:14:57 Speaker 2: The voice back. 00:14:58 Speaker 1: Because he has spammed that button for Edward Bazzardo so many times this season. that it has broken his button. It's broken Edward Bazzardo. 00:15:10 Speaker 3: The story of Edward Bazzardo these last two years, I think it's just gotten to the point of overexposure. I think the league has seen Edward Bazzardo too many times that he's been figured out. Overall, as a reliever the last two years, he has a sub-3 ERA and has been productive. But we're getting to the point that I think it's a combination of fatigue and the league just seeing him and having an idea of who he is as a pitcher because he throws so much that he's just gotten crushed here in the second half and it's caught up to him. I went and I looked about the pitchers that have thrown more than Edward Bazzardo the last two seasons in which he's been used by far the most. You have Tyler Rogers, Adrian Morajone, Brock Burke, and Dylan Lee. Three of those guys are lefties. Another one is a submariner, like the only submariner in Major League Baseball that throws right-handed, right? He's the only one? I think so. 00:16:13 Speaker 1: As far as I can think of, I think most of the other ones are out of the game now. 00:16:18 Speaker 3: What that tells me, those four guys, I would qualify as specialists. I know Morajone is great. I know Dylan Lee is great. They can pitch against both lefties and righties. But lefties will pitch more often because their stints are often shorter because they're only needed for specific pockets of a lineup and a specific portion of the game as opposed to, oh, we're just going to throw you back-to-back this set of days and then we'll give you a day off, like a Matt Brash, for example, who has a little bit more of a regular appearance schedule as opposed to a lefty where it's more matchup-based. Therefore, they'll throw in games more. Edward Bazzardo's right after that. I wouldn't call Edward Bazzardo a specialist at all. I wouldn't call Edward Bazzardo necessarily unique in any way. Yet he's pitching as much as the specialists. So that's where overexposure could really come to hurt Edward Bazzardo. You saw it in the postseason last year. Besides the bad process, the terrible process that led to the Mariners not making the World Series, the Mariners... hung Edward Bazzardo out to dry in the playoffs by overexposing him without the stuff to back that up. There's a difference between letting Andres Munoz pitching in 10 games, 10 out of 12 games in the postseason, as opposed to Edward Bazzardo pitching 10 out of 12 games in the postseason. And while I just kind of think that's the point we've reached with Bazzardo. 00:17:52 Speaker 1: He is a middle reliever who the Mariners try to treat like a leverage arm. We've said that on podcasts before. And they overexpose him like he is a true leverage arm who does not get phased by seeing lineups multiple times in short spurts. Again, I think that's half the reason that led to the disaster of Game 7 last year. Bazzardo never, ever, ever, ever should have been in that game in the first place. That was a total disgrace of a decision. And every single one of you listening to this knows that good and well by now. But the part of that that doesn't really get talked about enough, well, we talk about it. 00:18:26 Speaker 2: I don't think nationally it's talked about enough. 00:18:28 Speaker 1: Is Dan Wilson and the Mariners coaching staff decided to put him in a meaningless game in game six against that same pocket of the lineup. And again, overexposing him when it's not necessary to be overexposing him. That is the ultimate example of him getting overexposed on top of what was an incredibly, incredibly high volume of usage last year for Edward Bazzardo, who I know has a rubber arm and I know actually likes pitching on back-to-back days often as he's talked about. But man, 73 regular season appearances last year, and then the postseason, and then the WBC, and then overexposing him again this year. You're just seeing it lead to what it's led to now, which is uncompetitive outings and unproductive results. 00:19:16 Speaker 3: His outing here on Tuesday was not an egregiously bad decision by Dan Wilson and company. As soon as the Mariners had Bryce Miller start, the confidence in the Mariners pitching a good game plummeted. And then Bryce had to get pulled in the fourth inning. And then after that, I mean, you're asking a bullpen that has been only like, which fun fact, a bullpen that has been less valuable than the Washington Nationals bullpen in the second half. A Nationals bullpen that has blown an MLB record 38 saves this season. The Mariners bullpen has been less valuable by F4 than that team in the second half. So as soon as you're making that team pitch almost six full innings, of course you're going to struggle. Because the Mariners just don't have enough good arms in their bullpen to and Edward Bazzardo has been overexposed and overused in every which way possible, the Mariners don't have many better options to use right now. Because most of their arms are either middle relievers or quad A relievers. 00:20:20 Speaker 2: I mean, TJ, listen to these numbers. You're right. 00:20:24 Speaker 1: They don't have many other options. I'm not saying it was some bad decision to put Bazzardo in here on Tuesday. And I understand that this is a roster-building philosophy issue that has not been addressed, and we can get to that here more in a minute. But, yeah, you pitch Edward Bazzardo too much and you overexpose him, this is what happens, even if he is the best option to go to. 00:20:47 Speaker 2: You're seeing it. Listen to this. 00:20:50 Speaker 1: Edward Bazzardo's numbers in the first half this year, he had a 240 ERA. His whip was 1.2, which is, you know, it's not amazing, but it's not awful. And, you know, it's like 240 ERA in the first half. Second half ERA, it's 523, and his whip is up to 174. By the way, those numbers are not updated with Tuesday night stats. So as this updates on Wednesday morning, that's going to go up. Like a 540 second half ERA, you update that with Tuesday night stats, and we might be talking about a six in the second half. 00:21:28 Speaker 3: Not good. And has been one of the many reasons why the Mariners just don't win enough baseball games in 2026. Yeah. 00:21:37 Speaker 1: And as we transition here a little bit into what is still partly a Bazzardo conversation, but more a Mariners bullpen conversation, watching what unfolded in the fifth inning here on Tuesday night really just made me think. 00:21:50 Speaker 2: More on this topic. 00:21:51 Speaker 1: 14 months ago, the Mariners attempted to trade for Joe Onduran. They whiffed, he landed in Philly, and it has bit them in the back every single day since that trade. 00:22:03 Speaker 2: Every day. 00:22:05 Speaker 1: And you can feel it with just, you can feel it game after game after game. Joe on Duran has been one of the best relievers in Major League Baseball. Since August 1st of 2025, he has been the second best reliever in Major League Baseball, only behind Mason Miller. that value that, that value that Joe on Durant's put up is better over that time span than the entire Mariners bullpen. One man alone has been more valuable out of the bullpen than an entire group over the last 13 to 14 months. 00:22:44 Speaker 3: I would say the Mariners definitely could have used a one eight five ERA, a 62% ground ball rate, a 34% strikeout rate and a 3% walk rate of that's been. Yeah. I think the Mariners kind of need one of those. That number, by the way, the Mariners collective war number, that includes Andres Munoz. Yeah. Who over that stretch, I pose outside of April and May is still in pretty good. 00:23:10 Speaker 1: And I just continue to think about how the effects of not landing Duran. It's not just a one specific moment thing. It is a true every day since that trade sort of thing. Pick your poison on the situation. It bit them in the ass, bit them in the back, all of the last, oh, I mean it, what's the best way to say this? Yeah, it bit them in the back constantly in the postseason last year. No moment, no moment more so than game seven of the World Series. Sorry, no game more so than game seven of the ALCS. Because as ridiculous as the decision was to put Edward Bazzardo in the game, It would not have been Edward Bazzardo if you had Joe Onduran on the roster. That is Joe Onduran in the game, in that spot, to face the top of the order, and then you segue it to Munoz after that as the two likely combine to get the final eight outs. So it killed them last postseason. Then you have the start of 2026 and the first half of Andres Munoz, where he just was not the guy that the Mariners needed him to be. He was blowing saves. He didn't have the strikeout numbers. And as a result, the Mariners were losing games late a lot of the first half. You did not have a second guy as a second option to Munoz when he was struggling to get him off his feet a little bit and to have somebody else pitch in those high leverage situations, the highest leverage situations. And then in the second half of this season, when the trade market for bullpen arms was nowhere near what you wanted it to be, there was no arm even close to Joe Andoran available, and I'm not counting Mason Miller. And then when you see the results of the second half of this team and what you've rolled out with your bullpen, you feel it every single day, not having Joe Andoran on this roster. I know the Mariners tried. I think the Mariners thought they were going to land him. but almost only works with horseshoes and hand grenades man they do not have joe on duran and they have felt it every day since i legitimately believe it cost them a trip to the world series and i think it's killing them all of 2026 he wasn't. 00:25:12 Speaker 3: Going to fix the entire mariners bullpen but it does really help to have better arms in that bullpen something they did not have and maybe the You know, maybe the vibes of the bullpen are just better and they're pitching with a little bit more confidence. Part of the reason they could be really bad right now is they don't have the confidence to pitch as well. Maybe with a guy like that in that bullpen, you feel a little bit more confident. But also, like, you'd have him again next year. 00:25:42 Speaker 1: Right? 00:25:42 Speaker 3: Yeah, you'd have him again next year. And it would make your bullpen building a lot easier. 00:25:49 Speaker 2: But instead. 00:25:50 Speaker 3: the Mariners roll into next season with Andres Munoz, Gabe Spire, and like a bunch of question marks of what your bullpen is going to be. I think what this really does again, as we've hammered this home a bunch, it shows the holes in the Mariners bullpen building philosophy that I think they're going to need to reevaluate going into the soft season, given that their philosophy has left them exposed to too many holes in that bullpen. And it's really costing them at this point. where they need to find more avenues to bring talent into that bullpen besides trade deadline and scrap heap. There needs to be some middle ground and ways to find, to put better arms in that bullpen. And if they're not going to do that, then they're just kind of running the risk of missing out on a Joe on Duran again and ending up in the same situation that they're currently in right now. Where if you're not going to stock your arm deep, full of talented arms, then it could come back at this point next year, to bite you again. And you could be in the same situation if the postseason is your goal that you were in at this point last year. 00:26:59 Speaker 1: By the way, you know who's pitching pretty well these days? Jeff Hoffman for the Twins. He is, I mean, his whip's still high because he walks batters, and that's his one Achilles heel. But he's got an ERA of 3-2, a FIP that's almost a full point lower than that at 2-3, and he's striking out 13 batters per nine. 00:27:19 Speaker 2: The Mariners decided they didn't want to trade for him. 00:27:22 Speaker 3: What about Alex Hoppe? 00:27:26 Speaker 1: Oh, oh, Alex Hoppe, the guy they traded for Taylor Ward. He hasn't given up a run in 13 appearances in Baltimore. 00:27:34 Speaker 2: Wow. 00:27:35 Speaker 3: That seems good to me. 00:27:37 Speaker 1: Now, I don't really think it's going to last. I don't really think that's going to last with Hoppe, to be honest with you. But results are results so far for him in Baltimore. 00:27:46 Speaker 3: And. 00:27:48 Speaker 2: Well, it's more than Taylor Ward's done. 00:27:51 Speaker 3: Well, Alex Hoppe currently sits with a higher war on the season than the Mariners' bullpen has in the second half, which is almost negative one, by the way, as a collective unit. 00:28:02 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, that's fun. 00:28:03 Speaker 3: You've made some great points with this Duran. The delta between the Mariners trading for Duran and not trading for Duran honestly kind of seems like it could have been a World Series title. 00:28:16 Speaker 2: Yes. 00:28:17 Speaker 3: Like... It could have been the difference between a World Series title and the status quo for the Seattle Mariners. 00:28:24 Speaker 2: Do they beat the Dodgers? 00:28:26 Speaker 1: I still have my serious doubts about that because the Blue Jays matched up with the Dodgers so much better than the Mariners did because the Blue Jays were just such pests offensively. They put everything in play. They found a way to just kind of guards ball it at times. Maybe guards ball is not fair, but they were just such a contact oriented team that It was a nightmare matchup at times for the Dodgers. The Mariners and their ridiculous strikeout rates last year with Canzone striking out in basically every postseason at bat and Randy doing nothing in the postseason and Geno, aside from the one grand slam, really doing nothing in the postseason. Unfortunately, I think that Dodgers rotation eats them alive. But do the Mariners get to the World Series if they have Joe on Duran? 00:29:12 Speaker 2: Oh, I think so. Yep. Yeah, they do. 00:29:15 Speaker 3: It's all about giving yourself an opportunity. And well, they didn't have the opportunity because they didn't make the right decisions. And if they had Duran, it would have been easier to make the right decisions. Again, going to Bazzardo over Munoz there is a disgrace. It'll always be a disgrace. And I've said, however much it's talked about by people, it's not enough. If that had happened in the ninth inning, let's say, oh, it would be talked about way more nationally. 00:29:39 Speaker 1: Than it was because it was in the seventh. But that's the managerial and coaching side of it. The front office side of it is, you know how Bazzardo's never in that game? If you get Joe on Duran. Because that's him, not Bazzardo, in that spot. Him and Munoz combined to get those last eight outs. 00:29:59 Speaker 3: All signs point to Dan Wilson not being the Mariners' manager next season. If the Mariners are going to hire another manager who's also not a strong decision-maker, you should probably make his job easier by having better bullpen arms. It's the best way to cover up the flaws of someone whose strength is not decision-making. 00:30:21 Speaker 1: I'm going to stop you right there. The Mariners cannot hire another manager who's some atrocity of a decision-maker. Decision making has to be a strength of the next manager. This can't go on again. You have to have a good decision maker. 00:30:37 Speaker 3: Okay, fine. Can I finish my point? 00:30:41 Speaker 1: They need better bullpen arms, but they cannot pick another manager who is a clubhouse first person and a really bad decision maker with the bullpen. 00:30:50 Speaker 2: It just can't happen. 00:30:53 Speaker 3: They don't have to be as bad of a decision maker as Dan, but even if it's not their strength, you need to make their job easier. The goal of the hierarchy from top down is to make the job of the person underneath them easier. Ownership, give a high budget to Jerry and Justin to make their job easier to make the roster better. Jerry and Justin, your job to put better players on the roster to make the job of the coaching staff easier. Coaching staff, your job is to make the job of the players easier by putting them in position to win baseball games more often and build a healthy culture around them. That's what I want to see. Does that make sense? AKA have more talented players on the roster. However, that funnel is going to work. They need to execute it better next season and make everyone's jobs a heck of a lot easier because giving a terrible decision maker and Dan Wilson, a terrible bullpen as well is going to make everyone look terrible. 00:31:50 Speaker 1: Very good points. Very well said. All that being said, you better hire a good decision maker for your next manager. It has to be part of the process. It has to be part of the mandatory blueprint for hiring your next manager because you have seen what a straight-up bad decision-maker has done over the last two years. You don't have to be the single best decision-maker in Major League Baseball, but you cannot be costing them games. 00:32:18 Speaker 2: Let me say this. 00:32:19 Speaker 1: The fact the manager has been this big of a story the last two years is utterly ridiculous. The manager should never really be a story in baseball. So pick somebody who can make quality decisions enough of the time where this is not a conversation. 00:32:35 Speaker 3: Are you shocked that Dan Wilson essentially hijacked another conversation? 00:32:41 Speaker 2: I did it again, didn't I? It's like I entered my parallel universe. 00:32:47 Speaker 3: Having a conversation about something, I guess, related, but we're not exactly talking about Dan Wilson, but Here we are off the course. 00:32:55 Speaker 2: Turns into Dan Wilson. It always does. It always does. Yeah. They better hire a good decision maker. 00:33:03 Speaker 3: Yes, they better. Okay, before we get to the next segment, we're going to talk about a few different Mariners hitters in the second half. Before we get to that, I want to tell you guys about Emerald Queen Casino's upcoming lineup of shows. Tower of Power is at EQC later this week on September 10th. The Phil Collins Story on September 17th. Matt Matthews on September 27th. And Sons of Legion on October 4th. Get your tickets today at EmeraldQueen.com. Emerald Queen Casino is the entertainment capital of the Northwest. And with football season back, there is no better place to watch the Seahawks or the NFL than the BetMGM Sportsbook. 70 dream seat loungers for premium viewing, dozens of 86-inch TVs, legal wagering on college and pro sports. You can download the BetEQC app for live wagering anywhere on property. Catch every sport and every play at Emerald Queen Casino. For more details, visit EmeraldQueen.com. Please game responsibly. 00:34:04 Speaker 1: Let me just say on that note, Two weeks, a little less than two weeks from the day this podcast comes out, TJ and I will be at Emerald Queen Casino again, watching the game against the Astros and doing a live podcast taping from EQC afterwards, which we're really excited about. 00:34:19 Speaker 2: So that'll be. 00:34:21 Speaker 1: Tuesday, September 22nd, during and after the Astros game. So make sure to come on out, mark it on your calendars, come hang out with us. Again, game starts at 640 on that Tuesday. We'll tape the podcast shortly after that. Emerald Queen Casino, Tuesday, September 22nd. 00:34:38 Speaker 3: And then the week before on Tuesday, we'll have another live podcast at Moss Bay Hall in Kirkland. 00:34:43 Speaker 2: Yes, that is the 15th. So mark that on your calendars too. 00:34:47 Speaker 1: If you want to watch the game with us that day against the Angels and then listen to us tape the podcast afterwards there, come on out. So Eastside people, that's the 15th in Kirkland. And people that live south of Seattle, 22nd at Emerald Queen Casino. 00:35:04 Speaker 3: We have one question we want to ask about a few Mariners hitters here in the second half. What does the second half of this 2026 season tell us about these Mariners, Lyle? I have three of them written down. The three biggest names in this M's lineup who you actually have questions about this season. The first guy we should talk about is Cal Raleigh. What is the second half telling us about him? 00:35:29 Speaker 1: The Caleb John Raleigh is going to be just fine heading forward. And I don't think people should be panicking. Cal Raleigh, it has been swept under the rug because there are bigger storylines that have absolutely been detrimental to this team. But a story that does deserve some more praise and some more attention for all the right reasons is Cal Raleigh is having himself a hell of a second half. And that is a really, really strong sign. Cal Raleigh in the second half, entering Tuesday, has an 829 OPS, a 140 WRC +. And that mark ranks second among all catchers in Major League Baseball in the second half, just shy of Alejandro Kirk. That mark also ranks top 20 in Major League Baseball among all qualified hitters, meaning in the second half, Cal Raleigh has been one of the 20 best hitters in baseball. 00:36:19 Speaker 2: Cal Raleigh's mashing again. 00:36:21 Speaker 3: And the last calendar month, so since August 8th, he's looked almost essentially like he was last year. He put up the stat line in multiple months last year. Since August 8th, 265 average, 402 on base percentage, 639 slug with a 194 WRC plus and nine home runs. Striking out about 27% of the time. That's roughly Cal Raleigh's 2025 stat line. I mean, since, yeah, since August 1st, we split it up a little bit differently. You did the last month to date. I just went since August 1st. And since August 1st, Cal is ninth. among all qualified hitters in baseball, by WRC +. He has been a top 10 hitter in the sport the last six weeks, and among all catchers, that ranks first. Cal Raleigh's got a 900 OPS over that stretch, or actually way over that, 943. And as you mentioned over the last month, it's a one dot. 00:37:19 Speaker 2: It's a thousand. Cal Raleigh is Cal Raleigh again, guys. 00:37:23 Speaker 1: So to see him doing what he's doing now, that is a really nice sign for 2027. 00:37:29 Speaker 3: There's one thing with him that hasn't changed this season at all, even in the hot stretches. He's still not hitting fastballs. He's still swinging and missing against fastballs a ton. He's not slugging fastballs at all, even in the last calendar month. That was something that made him the 60 home run catcher in 2025. He's probably going to have to get back to that next year if he's going to try to get some portion of that 2025 production back next season. But yeah, everything else he's doing has been productive in the last couple of months. 00:38:06 Speaker 1: And I mean, Cal it's funny. Cal's you look at his numbers over his career. Cal's never really crushed fastballs in 22 and 23 and 24. Like he was never like a dominant fastball hitting catcher, which is weird. 00:38:23 Speaker 2: No, he hasn't. 00:38:23 Speaker 3: But then he had 60 home runs and he did crush fastball. Right. I would, I would, I would love for him to get back to that because then he's probably a better hitter. 00:38:32 Speaker 2: Well, that would be awesome. 00:38:34 Speaker 1: But he's gone from a 16 run value against four-seam fastballs last year to negative 11 this year. Just the drop-off of all drop-offs. I'm just saying in Cal's career, even when you look at 22, 23, and 24, where he was still one of the best catchers in baseball, he didn't mash four-seam fastballs. Now, I would love to see Cal change that for the good as he keeps moving forward. But even if he gets back to like let's say 2024, the year before the 60 home run season, where he only slugged 380 against fastballs. If he just goes back to doing damage against the other pitches, I think he's going to be totally fine. And he has started to do damage against a lot of those other pitches. So Cal hitting fastballs would be awesome. It's actually not imperative, though, for him to have a good or great season. 00:39:23 Speaker 3: I just prefer it. 00:39:25 Speaker 2: Well, I prefer it. 00:39:26 Speaker 1: I'm just saying like if he's not slugging 500 against fastballs next year, that doesn't mean he's not going to have a 30, 35 home run season. 00:39:34 Speaker 3: No, but if you want Cal Raleigh to be your best player again, then he's probably going to need to hit fastballs. 00:39:40 Speaker 2: Sure. And you know what? 00:39:42 Speaker 1: A healthy oblique should help with that. Why has there been such a drop off in fastballs? I mean, you have to torque very hard in especially in Cal's swing with two different swings to catch up to Velo, to major league Velo. 00:39:55 Speaker 2: And I think it's just been hard for him to do that a lot of this year. 00:39:58 Speaker 1: And Cal will never say it publicly because he doesn't make excuses and he is tough as nails. And to a fault, he often likes to play through just about everything. But I think there's no way from what we're seeing in the second half versus the first half that suggests anything other than he was very, very much playing through a real injury. And he was trying to tough it out, and it was just too hard on him. Because what the second half of Cal Raleigh is showing us is the Monstars did not warp his talent. This is still baseball's best catcher, if not on the Mount Rushmore of catchers, when he's at full strength. It's just that playing through a really serious injury will warp your talent. And now that he's back and looking much more healthy, he's back to being the Cal Raleigh that we all know and love. And what do I expect from Cal next year? To go back to to going back to. 00:40:48 Speaker 2: Being a very, very good middle of the order bat. 00:40:51 Speaker 3: What about this next player that we'll discuss of how he's performed here in the second half? What is the second half telling us about Julio Rodriguez? 00:41:00 Speaker 1: It's telling me they need more middle of the order bats next year, like we've talked about. I don't know what's going on with Julio against lefties all of a sudden, because his bread and butter when he's gone on these hot streaks, especially in the second half, is he's mash lefties. Julio's putting up a 35 WRC plus against left-handed pitching in the second half right now. I don't even know how that's possible. 00:41:29 Speaker 3: Ask Dylan Moore. 00:41:31 Speaker 2: Well, he's not quite there. 00:41:33 Speaker 1: Dylan Moore was OPSing 140 against lefties over a three-month stretch. And the Mariners would still run him out there all the time last year. Anyway. 00:41:43 Speaker 2: It's telling me that Julio is. 00:41:45 Speaker 1: Again proving that he's a very good baseball player who does a lot of things well. But he's not Bobby Witt. He's not Corbin Carroll. He's not James Wood. He's not PCA. And the Mariners can't treat him like that. They need to treat him like a guy who can get very hot at certain points of the season and play really, really quality defense. But you can't build your offense around him. He's not hitting for really any power in the second half. He's slumping overall. He's barely hitting above 200. And he's striking out like 27% of the time. And his walk rate's down a little bit. It's just showing that for a guy that usually just heats up around this time, it's not happening. And the progression that everybody's wanted to see from him at the plate is not happening. And the Mariners can't continue to ignore that. If they ignore that again for another offseason, you are bordering malpractice. 00:42:40 Speaker 3: It's too volatile to rely on. It's not that the production's not there, because I think the story of Julio Rodriguez is perfectly told in the last two second halves. This second half, he's rolling out a 72 WRC +, and he's been about a replacement-level player overall. Just. 1 F4 this second half so far. Last year's second half, he had a 147 WRC +. He was worth 3.6 F4, 21 home runs, 17 stolen bases. I mean, he was Bobby Witt Jr. in the second half last year. Him and Bobby were neck and neck in war last year in the second half. Julio was on a 40-40 pace in his second half last year. Like, it's possible. It's always possible with Julio. But this season is telling us is that that's just not something you can rely on because... As soon as they started relying on it this season without having the Nailers and the Genos and the Cows to make up for any cold streaks that he goes on, the offense falls off a cliff and they end the season at this rate, 30th in the league in runs scored. And it's just too much to risk that sometimes he is Bobby Witt, but then sometimes he's whatever this version of Julio Rodriguez is. 00:44:04 Speaker 1: I mean, against the lefties, it's unfortunately been Rob Refsnyder in the second half. 00:44:11 Speaker 3: Who's a 72 WRC plus bet? Maybe AJ Pollock was 72. Colt Wong, 72. 00:44:17 Speaker 2: It's not great. It's not great. 00:44:21 Speaker 1: So again, we know Julio has it in him. We know he's ultra, ultra talented, but you can't keep building your offense around the idea that he's just going to explode. He's proven that it's too volatile. If he has a ridiculous second half and you properly built your offense around him, great. That's a cherry on top. But when you don't build your offense to the point that it should be built and you do become overly reliant on Julio and he puts out what he's putting out right now, this is part of what leads to a season that ends up falling well short of expectations. 00:45:02 Speaker 3: I was thinking about this a little bit more. Are they overly reliant on him this season, or are they overly reliant on him as a whole? Because I don't know if they're overly reliant on him just this season. Maybe as a whole, they have crafted the team around him, and that could be a big reason why they haven't been as successful, especially in the postseason, as you would like them to. But I mean, this year... He does have multiple bats around him, and two of these three guys we're talking about on this list today, on this podcast, are not Julio, who you expected more out of offensively that you're not getting stuff from. 00:45:43 Speaker 1: Well, they have other bats that are supposed to produce more than they are, but it's still overly reliant on Julio, I think, because even though Cal's supposed to put up the numbers he does, and Naylor's supposed to be much more powerful than the numbers he's put up in terms of the home run totals. We'll get to Naylor in a minute. Again, you can't expect Cal to be a 60 home run catcher. Cal masked a lot of problems last year by hitting 60 home runs, and when he eventually was going to regress, which everybody knew to some extent that he would, then you are asking Julio to elevate his offense as a result to try to make up for what's going to be lost production from Cal and put the offense in a similar spot to where it was a year ago. But they're not at that spot. Not only are they not where they thought they'd be even with the Cal regression, but everybody is underperforming, including the guy that you were expecting to elevate his game while Cal's comes down a little bit. And it's not happening. Julio's not picking up the ground that Cal left off. And he's not even really hitting his own defense. average back of his baseball card right now but. 00:46:57 Speaker 3: If Randy has the 140 WRC plus he has this year and Cal has a 130 and Naylor has a 120 for example pair that with Canzone's production this year is that overly reliant on him like I don't really think so I. 00:47:13 Speaker 1: Again I I still think it is I still think you need two middle of the order bats. 00:47:17 Speaker 3: This winter that's not to say don't need those middle of the order bats but when you spell it out like that that doesn't feel like overly reliant on Julio Rodriguez. 00:47:28 Speaker 2: I don't know, man. 00:47:30 Speaker 1: I think that, I think there is something missing in the middle of that lineup that they do not have. And as a result, they are asking him to do too much, maybe more than what he's capable of doing. 00:47:41 Speaker 3: I'll say like Julio is not the difference between them being top 10 in the league and run scored this year, as opposed to 30th, like they currently are. 00:47:49 Speaker 1: Oh, well, if that's what you mean, no Julio is not making up for that much ground. But, again, the way the team is built, I still don't think there's enough force in the middle of the order. 00:48:03 Speaker 3: They're showing it this year. I agree. I agree. 00:48:08 Speaker 1: Well, and the two bats comes from a product of Randy likely leaving this winter. If Randy was going to come back and they thought he'd put up similar production, or, again, he's not going to have a year like this again next year either, so it would be just typical Randy production. you would still need another middle of the order bat to add to this team. So yes, when you don't have that guy, who do the Mariners always look to? They're going to look to Cal and Julio. So they are, they are asking a lot of Julio. 00:48:40 Speaker 3: Okay. All right. Let's get to the last guy, Josh Naylor. What is the second half telling us about him? 00:48:48 Speaker 1: Well, it's saying that he's still finding ways to be productive at the plate, like we've talked about, because he's hitting close to 300. And he's been about a 110 WRC plus bat in the second half, even without the power. It just tells me that he really needs to get healthy this offseason and come back stronger because they need offense. Like they need firepower out of Josh Naylor. They didn't pay him $ 92. 5 million to be a contact-oriented first baseman. 00:49:19 Speaker 3: What it's telling me is that, number one, he's everyone's grandpa's favorite player this year, if they're just looking at the box score. 282-332 on base percentage, 350 slug, second half. It's like, I love that. I love a good contact guy who's willing to serve a ball the other way. But what that's also telling me, as someone who looks at more stats besides that, is that he, as he concludes this year, has not been worth his contract in his first season. And he can't be not worth his contract two seasons in a row. 00:49:57 Speaker 1: Yeah. Teej, he's got 10 extra base hits the entire half. 10 in 44 games. 00:50:05 Speaker 3: Fangraphs hates his defense, too. OAA has him, I think, at plus one. Fangraphs does not like his defense. So you're pairing no power with little defense on a budget, a team with a budget and not unlimited payroll. Whether or not they should, they should have way more budget and way more payroll. But he's eating up 17 plus million dollars of that and is putting up a replacement level player season. So yes, the 282 average is nice. It's not coming along with a copious amount of on-base percentage to go along with that. You've got about a slightly above-league average on-base percentage, and then no slug with bad defense. And then when you ask him why he's not hitting well offensively, he's just not in the clubhouse. That doesn't seem worth the contract to me. So what that tells me is that the Mariners need to get more value out of that deal next year. for them to optimize their roster better. Like you need more production from Julio. You need more production from Cal, but a guy you pony up and paid needs to be better than a league of like a, like a replacement level player. 00:51:15 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:51:16 Speaker 1: Also, I think his average might be a little higher than that. Isn't he about 300 in the second half? I'm reading two 98 entering tonight's game. 00:51:22 Speaker 3: We might have different second half scopes. Your second half might be after the all-star game. I did since July 1st. 00:51:29 Speaker 1: Ah, I am doing, I am doing after the all-star game. Cause that's what they call the second half. 00:51:36 Speaker 3: I always think the second half should start after July 1st. 00:51:39 Speaker 1: Well, it probably should because that's when the 82nd game roughly happens. But what a lot of these baseball sites call the second half is after the All-Star break. 00:51:50 Speaker 3: Regardless, he's hitting for a high average. But that's about it. 00:51:54 Speaker 2: Right. 00:51:54 Speaker 1: His OPS entering Tuesday is 723 in the second half that I'm looking at, post-All-Star break. 00:52:00 Speaker 2: And he's hitting 298, it says. 00:52:01 Speaker 3: But. 00:52:05 Speaker 1: Again, when you're not even slugging 400 as a $ 92. 5 million first baseman, that's not living up to your contract. 00:52:13 Speaker 2: No power and no defense. You just said it. 00:52:15 Speaker 1: It's not going to work. I am glad that he's finding ways to be productive offensively. But similar to Cal, the only real explanation I can find for why Naylor's power has just magically evaporated is he's dealing with an injury. And for as much as Naylor hates talking, he hates even more talking about injuries because he essentially won't talk about them. The beat reporters have said that. So he's not going to exactly say what he's dealing with, but I don't know how else. He's just lost all his power. He needs to get right and get healthy this offseason and come back and... Not necessarily even hit 30 home runs. I don't think anybody's expecting that out of them. But you got to put up an OPS that's much closer to 800 because this isn't flying. They need more thump out of Josh Naylor's bat that isn't there. 00:53:04 Speaker 3: Everything you just described that Josh Naylor needs, the entire organization needs going into next season. Could say that for a lot of guys. Oh, a reset and to get healthy? 00:53:14 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:53:14 Speaker 3: Reset, get healthy, bring more thump, have more impact. Yeah. All of the above. 00:53:20 Speaker 2: Correct. 00:53:22 Speaker 1: So, I think as we conclude this, honestly, you could just use the stoplight of the three players we just described. 00:53:29 Speaker 2: Cal, green light. Naylor, yellow light. Julio, potential red light. 00:53:36 Speaker 3: I dig that. That's pretty good. 00:53:39 Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. 00:53:40 Speaker 3: I didn't even think of that. 00:53:41 Speaker 1: That was pretty good. I mean, it feels like a decent analogy, right? Cal's proven that you shouldn't really worry about him. Naylor's proving that, okay, we're seeing some decent signs, but you need to come back next spring and show that you're going to validate people's feelings, that whatever cautions they have, they can put to bed next year. And then Julio, yeah, you got a lot to prove. 00:54:03 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:54:04 Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with that. 00:54:06 Speaker 2: Well.... 00:54:09 Speaker 1: What the Mariners game by game analysis will look like on these pods moving forward. 00:54:12 Speaker 2: I don't know, man. 00:54:13 Speaker 1: I mean, we'll talk about them, but obviously we all know the season's just about over at this point. So we're going to probably keep trying to find different storylines to talk about and more bigger picture arcs, because that's, what's interesting at this point, like the game by game stuff, unless they magically rip off 15 in a row, which I don't think anybody's holding their breath on. 00:54:31 Speaker 2: It is what it is. 00:54:33 Speaker 3: I feel like most of us are viewing games the same way these days. Yeah. Like, The Mariners lose tonight. It's just not even really moving the needle for me. The Mariners are at a point where it's probably more beneficial to lose and get better odds for a draft pick. 00:54:49 Speaker 1: Dude, I sent the Squidward meme after a couple of the home runs got hit tonight to a couple of my group chats talking about the Mariners. And I even said after I sent the Squidward video of him just hysterically laughing when the Mariners are giving up runs. 00:55:02 Speaker 2: And I said, you know what? This isn't hitting the same anymore. 00:55:06 Speaker 1: Like, it was, it was really funny when it was July and August and they really still had a chance to turn things around and they just could not get out of their own way. And sending those things was really, really hilarious and almost a bit of a, a way to cope with all the losing to cope it with humor. But now it's like, Oh, I don't feel anything sending these videos anymore. Cause we all just kind of know it's done like nails in the coffin. 00:55:34 Speaker 3: Now you just count down to the end of the season, essentially. Right. 00:55:38 Speaker 1: Well, they got about 17 more games. I guess we'll see what they do till then, but we'll still be podcasting. We're not going anywhere. We'll have plenty of interesting things to talk about. So Friday will be a mailbag and we're looking forward to all your guys' questions as always. But until then, that'll just about wrap up this edition of the Marine layer podcast. 00:55:55 Speaker 2: You guys know the drill. 00:55:56 Speaker 1: If you want to listen to the full form podcast, you can do so wherever you get your audio pods, make sure to download these episodes. If you're listening, go rate and review, please leave a five stars. 00:56:05 Speaker 2: It helps a ton. 00:56:06 Speaker 1: You can also find all of our stuff at our website, which is marinelayerpod.com. All of our episodes are there. Patreon is there. Podcast merch is all there. That's marinelayerpod.com. And then check us out all across social media. We're on every platform and we're posting every day at marinelayerpod. 00:56:23 Speaker 2: That's TJ. I'm Lyle. 00:56:25 Speaker 1: As always, we thank you guys for tuning in. 00:56:27 Speaker 2: Talk to you soon.