Lyle and TJ react to the Mariners losing the first two games of the series against the Athletics, and some of the frustrations that came along with it (*cough* Dan Wilson) (2:30). They then highlight a sneaky aspect of Julio Rodriguez's start to the season, and where Luis Castillo sits after five starts (35:44).
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00:00 --> 00:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to episode number 393 of the Marine Lair podcast to react to the Mariners losing the first two games of the series against the A's We'll also talk about how the start of Julio Rodriguez is 2026 season.
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01:02 --> 01:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Lair podcast part of the just baseball podcast network recording You're on Tuesday evening April 21st All I can say while is at least the Mariners are not the meds
01:16 --> 01:20 [SPEAKER_00]: That's your cop out for where they're at.
01:20 --> 01:21 [SPEAKER_00]: They're not in mess.
01:21 --> 01:22 [SPEAKER_00]: They haven't lost well been a row.
01:22 --> 01:24 [SPEAKER_01]: They're literally not the match.
01:24 --> 01:26 [SPEAKER_01]: They have not lost 12 in a row and believe it or not.
01:27 --> 01:31 [SPEAKER_01]: As bad as people think the Mariners offense is, the Met's offense is worse.
01:31 --> 01:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And they spent more money to do it.
01:34 --> 01:37 [SPEAKER_01]: And they might kill a certain fan of theirs.
01:37 --> 01:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, a Frank is Frank's been on on a heater recently, though.
01:43 --> 01:44 [SPEAKER_00]: He's going through it.
01:44 --> 01:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he is screaming about chapel-run and Carlos Mendoza and I mean everything else you could imagine under the sun with the metal.
01:54 --> 01:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think the Mariners are quite at that.
01:56 --> 01:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I also don't know there's another fan out there like Frank.
02:00 --> 02:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Mets haven't won a game since they played ping-pony club in the Artemis Artemis rocket.
02:08 --> 02:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's my my funniest bit.
02:09 --> 02:12 [SPEAKER_01]: The funny spit I think I've ever seen in the bait.
02:12 --> 02:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And like the funniest superstition I've ever seen in a in a baseball setting.
02:17 --> 02:22 [SPEAKER_00]: And Franco he always delivers that ping-pony club in Chapel Rona grew into baseball team.
02:23 --> 02:28 [SPEAKER_01]: But not even the one on earth, the one that was played like going around the moon.
02:30 --> 02:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Can you say yes?
02:32 --> 02:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, can you in summary at least the Mariners are not the men's I was going to say can you guys see how much we don't want to talk about these last two days a Mariners baseball?
02:40 --> 02:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we're just sitting here talking about Frank in the meds.
02:43 --> 02:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because it's been fucking pitiful these last two days.
02:46 --> 03:07 [SPEAKER_01]: 2 games of the starting pitching advantage 2 games at home the weather was actually warm on Wednesday You and I were at the ballpark as like man, that's a good hitting weather Maybe the Mariners offense will continue the good two games they played in the final two games against the Rangers against better pitching And then the Mariners offense went right back to status quo.
03:07 --> 03:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's it was bad last two nights here on Tuesday This team Calates this home run and they had seven singles otherwise
03:16 --> 03:19 [SPEAKER_01]: This team is not slugging, I know.
03:19 --> 03:32 [SPEAKER_00]: But so, this is why context matters so much as you often like to say, and this is why being a contact oriented team with not a whole lot else doesn't work.
03:32 --> 03:34 [SPEAKER_00]: You hit seven singles.
03:34 --> 03:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, you might have gotten seven hits, but you ain't win in the game.
03:37 --> 03:40 [SPEAKER_00]: You have seven hits on a night, but half of them are extra base hits.
03:40 --> 03:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, your odds of winning are probably going to go up a lot more.
03:43 --> 03:45 [SPEAKER_00]: But seven singles aren't going to win you a baseball game.
03:45 --> 03:46 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just not enough.
03:47 --> 03:51 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not enough damage, and it's not enough damage against a pitcher that you should have jumped on.
03:52 --> 03:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, man.
03:53 --> 04:02 [SPEAKER_01]: The edge of their evasings tonight entered the game with a six ERA, but
04:02 --> 04:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I really wanted to believe.
04:04 --> 04:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I really did, that this is the type of lefty that shouldn't affect the mariners.
04:10 --> 04:18 [SPEAKER_00]: When you beat McKenzie go on Sunday and you start to build some momentum, you win the Ranger series, yes you are facing a left handed pitcher.
04:19 --> 04:24 [SPEAKER_00]: But when it's a guy like Jacob Lopez, who's just not a very good big league arm.
04:25 --> 04:28 [SPEAKER_00]: you would think that they could handle that dude and come out with a win.
04:29 --> 04:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Even with your weakest link in your own rotation on the mound in Luis Castillo.
04:34 --> 04:39 [SPEAKER_00]: But no, I mean, the Mariners scored a couple runs early and then win silent, radio silent.
04:40 --> 04:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Because a big thing about what the Mariners do offensively.
04:47 --> 04:51 [SPEAKER_01]: is like right in these two games they're really struggling to hit with runners in scoring position.
04:52 --> 04:57 [SPEAKER_01]: So for the season they've not have a problem getting guys on base they're having problems getting guys in.
04:58 --> 05:05 [SPEAKER_01]: It's easier to get guys in when you hit for more power and the Mariners are in a unique situation right now where they're getting on base a lot.
05:05 --> 05:16 [SPEAKER_01]: They're getting guys into position to score, but they're not able to consistently drive them in because they need more hits to get them in because they're not hitting for as much power.
05:17 --> 05:23 [SPEAKER_01]: But the problem is, while the Mariners still strike out like a team that hits for a lot of power.
05:23 --> 05:33 [SPEAKER_01]: That has not since we did our bat speed blurb on that episode a couple of weeks ago that part is not changed The Mariners still do strike out a little bit there.
05:33 --> 05:50 [SPEAKER_01]: They're bottom third and baseball in terms of strikeouts You cannot have all the singles and the strikeouts because it's just it's a combination that does not match with a successful offense You mean since we triggered arguably the biggest star on the team in Julio
05:50 --> 05:54 [SPEAKER_01]: who will talk about in a positive manner, I don't even know if it's all his fault.
05:54 --> 05:56 [SPEAKER_01]: But if we're talking about guys that aren't slugging, he's one of them.
05:57 --> 05:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Listen to this.
05:58 --> 05:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Listen to this.
05:59 --> 06:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Of like the big boppers in the Mariners lineup, I went down and I looked at these players by their percentile raking of average eggs of velocity.
06:09 --> 06:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Cal had a home run here on Tuesday, but otherwise he's 7th percentile.
06:14 --> 06:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Cal Rally, who had 60 home runs last year, through 15% of the baseball season, is 7th percentile of how hard he's hitting the baseball.
06:23 --> 06:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Josh Nailus 20th.
06:24 --> 06:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Julio's 38th, Randy's 63rd, the only two guys who are really succeeding in this are your two lefty platoon heading outfielders in Dom Canzone and Luke Rayleigh.
06:36 --> 06:39 [SPEAKER_01]: The problem is their roles are very specified.
06:39 --> 06:41 [SPEAKER_01]: They are not going to be in the lineup every single day.
06:42 --> 06:45 [SPEAKER_01]: They're only in the lineup and advantageous situations.
06:45 --> 06:46 [SPEAKER_01]: of your every day, guys.
06:46 --> 06:54 [SPEAKER_01]: The rest of your line-ups being filled out with guys like, I mean, Cole Young, who had a good first week, but he's not doing damage, really.
06:54 --> 06:56 [SPEAKER_01]: 12%ile, hour jigs of velocity.
06:57 --> 07:02 [SPEAKER_01]: JP Crawford's 40th, Rob Raff Snyder's 8th, Brennan-Nonovan is 3rd.
07:03 --> 07:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Think about the, in this sense, Lyle.
07:06 --> 07:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I know Gino's inconsistent.
07:08 --> 07:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Think about the drop-off and damage you're doing to the baseball from Gino to Brennan-Nonovan.
07:13 --> 07:15 [SPEAKER_01]: just in a, in a raw sense.
07:15 --> 07:16 [SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty, it's pretty big.
07:17 --> 07:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
07:17 --> 07:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's, it's, it's, it's not Brendan Donovan's fault because he's been good, but that's just an example on music.
07:23 --> 07:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, if you're just going by hard hit rate or average X of velocity, how hard you're hitting the baseball.
07:28 --> 07:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, does Gito hit the baseball a lot harder than Brendan Donovan does?
07:31 --> 07:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, doesn't mean Gino's going to be more productive at the end of the year, but you want to talk about doing damage.
07:37 --> 07:43 [SPEAKER_00]: You know that when Gino makes contact, he
07:43 --> 07:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Man, it's just a lot of, yeah, I mean, those those X of VLO numbers jump off the page, it's not good, no, you can't have your stars, not swearing up the baseball.
07:56 --> 08:24 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just going to be the biggest story until the Mariners turn this thing around because that's what this offense is built on even if they wanted to cut down some of the streakiness of the offense which this regime has tried and failed to do multiple times and until last year they essentially just bought all the way into the streakiness of the offense and it got them all the way to the ALCS by acquiring Josh Nailer and acquiring Gino and hitting 230 at home runs in a season yeah worked
08:25 --> 08:39 [SPEAKER_01]: It can work if you try and cut down the streakness of the offense, but so far, Lyle, the end result, the result this Mariners offense has got is that the guys they needed to hit for power aren't hitting for power, and the guys they're not relying on to hit for power, also aren't hitting for power.
08:40 --> 08:44 [SPEAKER_01]: So there is no running into a baseball like we've seen the A's do this weekend.
08:45 --> 08:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Shalingleers is crushing the Mariners pitching staff right now.
08:49 --> 08:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Nick Kurtz homework on Monday and otherwise the A's are managing to piece it together with a team with a line up that's good, but a team that's not as talented as the Mariners are, but yet they're winning.
08:59 --> 09:00 [SPEAKER_01]: They are winning.
09:01 --> 09:01 [SPEAKER_00]: So,
09:02 --> 09:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Even if the batspeed has some level of inconclusiveness to it, as we've talked about, that the Mariners' Batspees being down was not a definitive, I mean, they were down, but it's not a definitive direct correlation with a lack of offense.
09:17 --> 09:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we can pretty confidently say.
09:20 --> 09:24 [SPEAKER_00]: the Mariners simply not hitting the ball hard has a correlation in their lack of offense.
09:25 --> 09:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that's controversial at all.
09:28 --> 09:30 [SPEAKER_00]: They are not hitting the ball hard and they're not producing offensively.
09:31 --> 09:33 [SPEAKER_01]: You just see it when you watch the game.
09:33 --> 09:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't even need to dig up these numbers.
09:34 --> 09:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Like you're watching some of the balls that the Mariners are putting in play with runners on or with no runners on and it's weak.
09:43 --> 09:44 [SPEAKER_01]: It's non-threatening.
09:45 --> 09:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And if it's non-threatening then guys like Jacob Lopez are going to have a lot easier time dealing with this line up because then you're more comfortable throwing pages over the middle of the plate.
09:54 --> 09:58 [SPEAKER_01]: If the manners are either going to pound it into the ground or just not doing any damage with it at all.
09:59 --> 10:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
10:00 --> 10:03 [SPEAKER_01]: The A's Lyle had the six hardest hit balls on Tuesday.
10:04 --> 10:07 [SPEAKER_01]: It just summarizes where the Mariners are at right now.
10:07 --> 10:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and you know that's a good offense.
10:09 --> 10:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I know the A's by the numbers haven't been crazy red hot as an offensive group so far, but you know when you look up at the end of the year, that is a young, fun, exciting offense that can really do some damage.
10:21 --> 10:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I've asked you this question before, let me ask you again.
10:24 --> 10:26 [SPEAKER_01]: What is the Mariners' offensive identity?
10:27 --> 10:43 [SPEAKER_00]: have they ever really had one other than to your point when they were in those 20, 20, three type years where they knew where they were going to try to hit the ball really hard, they were going to strike out, they were going to try to draw their walks and they live and die by the hills and valleys of the offense getting hot and cold.
10:43 --> 10:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Have they ever really had a true identity?
10:46 --> 10:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I mean, at the end of last year, they had an identity, well, they backed it back to the power strikeout, what mantra in 22, they had an offensive identity.
10:58 --> 11:04 [SPEAKER_01]: They're offensive identity was Julio, it was stealing, right?
11:05 --> 11:12 [SPEAKER_01]: This same-haggerating, don't more off the bench, stealing bases and a breakout season from Aloha Neoswaris.
11:13 --> 11:27 [SPEAKER_01]: It was like, I don't know, it wasn't really like a teamwide offensive identity, but they relied a lot on Julio, they relied a lot on Gino, and I remember how much they, how important Dylan Moore and Sam Haggerty were off the bench late in games.
11:27 --> 11:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
11:28 --> 11:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to remember if the Mariners stole a lot of bases back in 22.
11:32 --> 11:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm looking right now, they were 16th and stolen bases.
11:37 --> 11:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure it helped, but I don't even know if that was a true part of their identity.
11:40 --> 11:42 [SPEAKER_00]: And this is what I'm getting at.
11:42 --> 11:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how other than when their identity is to hit the ball out of the ballpark and draw their walks and accept the strikeouts, I don't know if they've ever had a true one.
11:53 --> 11:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Because when they tried to maneuver it all in 2024 and get away from that, what happened?
11:58 --> 12:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Of the four-year run that they're on, five if you want to include the start of this season.
12:03 --> 12:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that was the most maddening offensive team arguably, 2024.
12:07 --> 12:09 [SPEAKER_00]: They were supposed to be something and they weren't.
12:09 --> 12:10 [SPEAKER_00]: They were the opposite.
12:11 --> 12:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Correct.
12:11 --> 12:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Polo struck out like crazy.
12:13 --> 12:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Garver starts striking out like crazy.
12:15 --> 12:17 [SPEAKER_00]: You and other guys on the roster punching out of time.
12:17 --> 12:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Not enough damage was being done.
12:19 --> 12:22 [SPEAKER_00]: And it was probably their weakest year of this stretch.
12:23 --> 12:25 [SPEAKER_00]: 2023, sure, it could be maddening at times.
12:25 --> 12:27 [SPEAKER_00]: That game against the nationals back in 23.
12:27 --> 12:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And then the base is loaded and nobody out.
12:30 --> 12:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And three guys in a row strike out because everybody's swinging for the fences.
12:35 --> 12:37 [SPEAKER_00]: And they're all in all or nothing offense.
12:37 --> 12:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's maddening.
12:39 --> 12:40 [SPEAKER_00]: But you didn't know who they were.
12:40 --> 12:46 [SPEAKER_00]: 24 was very, very hard to watch at a lot of times.
12:46 --> 12:48 [SPEAKER_00]: And right now, you're right.
12:48 --> 12:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if they have an identity.
12:50 --> 12:53 [SPEAKER_00]: They have some combination of power, contact, and walks.
12:54 --> 12:56 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's not a collective identity.
12:57 --> 13:06 [SPEAKER_01]: A big problem is the other parts of their team that are going to try and make up value and make up wins are not helping them right now.
13:06 --> 13:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Remember at the end of last year, we're talking about playoff previews and we're looking at some of the things that concern us with the Mariners offense.
13:12 --> 13:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you remember what those were?
13:16 --> 13:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Strikeout?
13:18 --> 13:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, strikeouts are one, but there were two more glaring ones.
13:22 --> 13:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I mean, I more remember we talked about that they were not a strong defensive team.
13:27 --> 13:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
13:28 --> 13:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Mariner's right now, according to Alts above average, are, I think, bottom three in Alts above average.
13:34 --> 13:34 [SPEAKER_01]: As defense.
13:36 --> 13:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's weird.
13:37 --> 13:39 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, Julio's a little down in that area, too.
13:40 --> 13:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
13:40 --> 13:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Usually.
13:41 --> 13:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I did see that.
13:41 --> 13:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Which, again, usually that's so unlike him, and maybe it'll correct itself here soon enough.
13:47 --> 13:47 [SPEAKER_00]: But,
13:48 --> 13:54 [SPEAKER_00]: As we sit right now, you go on as baseball on page and it's not like his defenses really jumped out the charts.
13:54 --> 13:56 [SPEAKER_00]: He's negative one, out's above average.
13:58 --> 14:10 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you look at among teams right now, the Mariners are 27th, and Major League Baseball, negative 8 out's above average, are negative 8 fielding run value as a team.
14:11 --> 14:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for good.
14:12 --> 14:17 [SPEAKER_01]: They are 29th and baseball when it comes to base running runs.
14:18 --> 14:20 [SPEAKER_01]: So not running the bases and they're not defending.
14:21 --> 14:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Running the bases helps you score more runs.
14:25 --> 14:31 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners, I believe, let me double check this on Baseball Synerk, so I was looking at this before we started recording.
14:31 --> 14:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I believe the Mariners were the worst team in baseball taking second base as an extra base.
14:36 --> 14:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Which, you know, is the difference when you get a guy on first base if you have someone hit a ball into the outfield after him, of scoring around or having a runner on third and then the next guy getting out and you're not scoring if he's on second base, he does score.
14:52 --> 14:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me look at this.
14:54 --> 15:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, again, who's going to steal the majority of the bases on this team?
15:01 --> 15:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Josh Nailer.
15:02 --> 15:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I guess, although he's not really on base enough to be stealing bases right now.
15:08 --> 15:08 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
15:08 --> 15:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so the mariners, yes, are 29th in baseball, they're tied with Cleveland and Colorado as the second or space running team in baseball.
15:17 --> 15:23 [SPEAKER_01]: They're only behind the giants and in terms of, oh, this is interesting.
15:23 --> 15:27 [SPEAKER_01]: So this is stolen base advances versus average.
15:27 --> 15:30 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think stealing second base versus the average team.
15:31 --> 15:32 [SPEAKER_01]: They've already lost.
15:32 --> 15:34 [SPEAKER_01]: They're already negative seven in that.
15:34 --> 15:46 [SPEAKER_01]: She is that's the right for for something they said they were going to do is it's it's not great Extra basis taken the Mariners are currently bottom third.
15:46 --> 15:55 [SPEAKER_01]: They are 21st or sorry 22nd immediately baseball and Runs via extra basis taken
15:56 --> 16:01 [SPEAKER_00]: So right now they're not hitting the ball hard, they're not hitting for power, they're not stealing and they're not playing defense.
16:01 --> 16:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
16:02 --> 16:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Now we'll say in their defense, they have zero, but zero is still not good.
16:07 --> 16:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
16:08 --> 16:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And I, this is not gonna be the type of team that I imagine that number going up on.
16:12 --> 16:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I think this team is gonna be very similar to last year in that sense.
16:16 --> 16:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree.
16:18 --> 16:21 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're talking about the defense, Colt Emerson should help a little.
16:22 --> 16:26 [SPEAKER_01]: and you think Brennan Donovan going to the outfield if that's what ends up happening, that's what should happen.
16:26 --> 16:31 [SPEAKER_01]: If that's what ends up happening, you think that'll be a little bit better, but Brennan Donovan also has to be healthy.
16:31 --> 16:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Brendan Donovan is out of the lineup for the third different thing and on the injured list.
16:36 --> 16:37 [SPEAKER_01]: This year already.
16:37 --> 16:42 [SPEAKER_00]: It's April 21st and I don't know if we talked about this enough when they traded for him.
16:43 --> 16:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, because I think everybody was so fixated on the idea that the Mariners were not strong enough offensively until they got Donovan and everybody was so happy once they got him, which you should be because Brendan Donovan is a really good baseball player.
16:55 --> 16:59 [SPEAKER_00]: He's also almost never played over 130 games.
16:59 --> 17:02 [SPEAKER_00]: He's done it once so far in four years in the big leagues.
17:03 --> 17:04 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not a lot.
17:04 --> 17:09 [SPEAKER_01]: In 2024, so he's put 126, 95, 153 and 118.
17:10 --> 17:18 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a decent amount of games in there, but also he is missing a month and a half on average if not more of baseball games.
17:18 --> 17:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
17:19 --> 17:19 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot.
17:20 --> 17:25 [SPEAKER_01]: That's for a guy who should be hitting at the top of the Mariners lineup.
17:25 --> 17:27 [SPEAKER_01]: 70% of games.
17:28 --> 17:28 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a lot.
17:28 --> 17:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Mariners could use that bat and he was really good to start this year.
17:31 --> 17:49 [SPEAKER_00]: you don't want him going on the injured list getting old cold and he comes back and he can't find his groove offensively that's not going to help this line up yeah now it's not before we start to get into some of the storylines we want to highlight can can i be transparent with people and make one little confession here
17:50 --> 17:57 [SPEAKER_00]: These losses, I know, maybe people are gonna hate me for this, because this is a division rival, and obviously division games always matter.
17:57 --> 18:02 [SPEAKER_00]: And you know, this team may be not a contender when the division, but Friskey this year.
18:02 --> 18:12 [SPEAKER_00]: So again, maybe people won't be thrilled with me for saying this, but I'm gonna be transparent with people like we try and be, I actually really like these.
18:12 --> 18:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I do.
18:12 --> 18:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow, so you were rooting against the Mariners this week.
18:15 --> 18:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
18:15 --> 18:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I was rooting for them to lose or yeah.
18:17 --> 18:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I was rooting for them to lose.
18:18 --> 18:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
18:19 --> 18:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
18:20 --> 18:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
18:20 --> 18:22 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I at least you're honest with the people.
18:22 --> 18:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
18:24 --> 18:35 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I was not rooting for the Mariners to lose, but by any by any means, but transparently again, I know teams always go at it, especially in division.
18:35 --> 18:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Getting to be around it a little bit, the A's might be the nicest group of dudes in Major League Baseball.
18:42 --> 18:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And we're comparing it to talking to the Rangers earlier in the Somestand.
18:46 --> 18:47 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a night day difference.
18:47 --> 18:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the Rangers are a whole lot of highly paid disgruntled veterans.
18:52 --> 18:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
18:53 --> 18:58 [SPEAKER_01]: The A's are a bunch of young, controllable players who are in their early to mid-20s.
18:58 --> 19:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Also, and then they have randomly Jeff McNeill on their team who has a ton of gray hair already.
19:05 --> 19:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, and to be fair, not only are those A's guys young, but like, they're all legitimately friends.
19:11 --> 19:21 [SPEAKER_00]: We heard a story this week that when Jacob Wilson and Kurtz were set to get their awards, because the two of them finished top two in rookie year voting last year.
19:22 --> 19:25 [SPEAKER_00]: They weren't at the awards ceremony.
19:25 --> 19:25 [SPEAKER_00]: And where were they?
19:26 --> 19:31 [SPEAKER_00]: They were at Tyler's Sotters from Wedding, along with a ton of their other teammates, that are all in that same age group as them.
19:31 --> 19:32 [SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of cool.
19:33 --> 19:33 [SPEAKER_01]: That's cool.
19:33 --> 19:39 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like the college life they haven't gotten to live because they've been athletes.
19:39 --> 19:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Some of those guys did go to college, but now they get to do it together.
19:42 --> 19:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, a lot of them did.
19:44 --> 19:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Kurt's dead, Wilson did.
19:46 --> 19:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I know.
19:47 --> 19:49 [SPEAKER_01]: But now they have money, a don't money.
19:49 --> 19:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's true.
19:52 --> 20:01 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a very likeable group of guys, like I would be more than more than happy to see the A's get into the playoffs as a wild card team as long as the M's win the West.
20:02 --> 20:08 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a very fun offense, it's a young team and genuinely, it's a very easy group of guys to root for.
20:08 --> 20:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I know it's not when they're playing the Mariners and nobody should be rooting for the Mariners to lose against another division rival.
20:14 --> 20:19 [SPEAKER_00]: but man, it's hard not to like the A's, especially when you get to spend some time around them.
20:19 --> 20:21 [SPEAKER_00]: We may have mentioned this last year and I'll do it again.
20:21 --> 20:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Non-marin or wise, I think hands down and I'll speak for both of us.
20:25 --> 20:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Our favorite dude in Major League Baseball is Jacob Wilson.
20:28 --> 20:29 [SPEAKER_01]: He's the man.
20:30 --> 20:30 [SPEAKER_01]: He's great.
20:30 --> 20:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I second everything Lyle said, like Nick Kurtz will super nice this week too.
20:34 --> 20:34 [SPEAKER_00]: That's great.
20:35 --> 20:40 [SPEAKER_00]: He was super nice last time when we talked to him, both times for a guy that's as star as early on in his career as he is.
20:40 --> 20:41 [SPEAKER_00]: He's great.
20:41 --> 20:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a super fun group so if you get a chance if you're at the ballpark and and if those guys for our signing or talking for any reason You'll probably have a pretty good interaction with them.
20:51 --> 20:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean throwing in another Lawrence Butler is the absolute man.
20:54 --> 20:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Like it is It is a very likable group of guys.
20:58 --> 21:09 [SPEAKER_00]: It really is and again I'll highlight it one more time like He maybe are in our division a long time, but I think we're gonna be Jacob Wilson fans for a long time
21:11 --> 21:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Does it help that he's that he's a fan of a lot of our stuff?
21:14 --> 21:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yet, yes, the bullpen man or stuff.
21:16 --> 21:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, but genuinely I think you ask most people that talk to Jacob Wilson.
21:21 --> 21:23 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, oh, he's the absolute man.
21:23 --> 21:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope Jacob Wilson finds comedy and he like he's on our bullpen banner channel and then he finds the podcast so some way somehow he finds the podcast and then he hears the open where we say after his A's beat the mayor's twice and what at least we're not the bats.
21:40 --> 22:10 [SPEAKER_00]: and then he probably just laughs well honestly here on Tuesday when we were just sitting and talking to him for a couple minutes you know and he's he's just saying it's always nice when you get to the ballpark the day coming after you know coming off a win obviously it just raises the mood a little bit and he looks us as like sorry guys and we're like yeah what are you gonna do I mean he knows he knows where Mariners fans so yeah I mean he's again it's not personal
22:11 --> 22:18 [SPEAKER_00]: heart heartbreaking like well, maybe not heartbreaking because it was like nay disappointing, but not not personal.
22:18 --> 22:18 [SPEAKER_00]: We got it.
22:18 --> 22:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think I think when Jacob Wilson did that, you were thinking about a certain someone will talk about next, but before that, I just want to remind people that we mentioned it on Monday's podcast, or we're going to mention it here again.
22:29 --> 22:36 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you have dosed off and you're not paying attention to this podcast, now's your chance to sit up and listen, we have our first
22:36 --> 22:45 [SPEAKER_01]: in season live event of the year coming up this Sunday at Moss Bay Hall in Kirkland, we'll be doing a watch party and podcast taping.
22:45 --> 22:59 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you want to watch us record our Monday podcast, you will get an opportunity to do so this Sunday at Moss Bay Hall in Kirkland, the Mariners will be playing the Cardinals at 11.15 a.m. We're going to be doing sort of like a brunch theme.
22:59 --> 23:02 [SPEAKER_01]: You come to the hall, you get some Corona giveaways.
23:02 --> 23:06 [SPEAKER_01]: If you show up, we got some
23:06 --> 23:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully give away some potentially away some tickets.
23:09 --> 23:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I know there will be some tickets at some of these events this year.
23:13 --> 23:18 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you, if tickets sound interesting to you, you should probably come on Sunday.
23:18 --> 23:21 [SPEAKER_01]: So we'll be there at probably around 11.
23:21 --> 23:24 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll watch the game and then we'll take the podcast app or afterwards.
23:25 --> 23:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Hope to see you all there.
23:27 --> 23:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Are we giving tickets out for this one?
23:29 --> 23:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to make any fake.
23:30 --> 23:32 [SPEAKER_01]: This one specifically, I'm not sure, but I know we will this year.
23:33 --> 23:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
23:34 --> 23:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Which is incentive for you to show up to all of them in case you miss it.
23:37 --> 23:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, absolutely.
23:38 --> 23:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, there will be tickets to give out this year.
23:41 --> 23:42 [SPEAKER_00]: But you are right.
23:43 --> 23:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Going back to Jacob Wilson, who again, awesome dude.
23:47 --> 23:51 [SPEAKER_00]: When you were talking about him walking off the Mariners last year in Sacramento, you're right.
23:52 --> 23:56 [SPEAKER_00]: We were thinking a lot less about Jacob Wilson in that moment.
23:57 --> 24:03 [SPEAKER_00]: and Wilson because that was a game he messed up with a decision and it cost them and it led to an A's walkoff hit.
24:04 --> 24:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Fast forward to now we had another Mariners A's game with a Dan Wilson decision that didn't lose them the game but it was certainly a big story because it did not help and it was a glaring issue that occurred.
24:18 --> 24:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll repeat a lot of what I said in our morning post here on Tuesday.
24:22 --> 24:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Dan Wilson was not the main reason the Mariners lost Monday's game, which is where a lot of this frustration and where this podcast topic comes from.
24:32 --> 24:44 [SPEAKER_01]: But he did make a really bad pinching decision with Luke Rayleigh that cost the Mariners late in that game and the Mariners could have had a much better opportunity to hit.
24:44 --> 24:47 [SPEAKER_01]: and give themselves a chance to win on Monday if not for this.
24:48 --> 24:50 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's the sixth inning, right?
24:50 --> 24:55 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners and A's are tied three three Emerson Hancock and the Mariners bullpen are actually it might have just been Hancock.
24:56 --> 24:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Gives up the three nothing lead.
24:58 --> 25:01 [SPEAKER_01]: The game is tied three to three headed to the bottom of the sixth inning.
25:01 --> 25:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Randy arose a rena strikes out to lead off the inning.
25:03 --> 25:12 [SPEAKER_01]: There's nobody on the A's have got I forget the A's left You already Harris was hogan Harris hogan Harris.
25:12 --> 25:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so they have hogan Harris, and then they have another lefty who they just brought up from AAA those are the two lefties in the A's bullpen
25:21 --> 25:28 [SPEAKER_01]: It sounds similar to what happened with the podraise the week before with Adrian Morehone, but the caliber of lefty reliever is significantly different.
25:28 --> 25:36 [SPEAKER_01]: So Dan decides to take Luke Rayleigh out of the game, on Monday, in the sixth inning with nobody on, tieball game and put Rob Reftsider in there.
25:37 --> 25:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Reftsider, I believe, strikes out in that at bat.
25:40 --> 25:53 [SPEAKER_01]: This leaves Rob Raff Snyder in the game against a ritey later on in the eighth inning when the Mariners really needed an advantageous matchup with base runners on and Rob Raff Snyder can't get it done against a ritey as well.
25:55 --> 26:01 [SPEAKER_01]: The problem with this, again, is the yanking Luke Rayleigh out of the line up way too early.
26:02 --> 26:13 [SPEAKER_01]: When you look at the A's roster on paper, you know that if Rayleigh just with an situation, a tie game in the sixth inning with nobody on it, Luke Rayleigh faces a lefty and gets out.
26:14 --> 26:20 [SPEAKER_01]: It's almost guaranteed in his at bat later in the game against a bullpen that's not very good.
26:21 --> 26:23 [SPEAKER_01]: He will be facing a right-handed arm.
26:23 --> 26:32 [SPEAKER_01]: because he had two righty sitting in front of him, Julio and Randy in some form or another, and then he would hit right after them.
26:32 --> 26:38 [SPEAKER_01]: So the A's were gonna bring a lefty and they would have to bring an lefty just for him in which case you could pitch Rob Reft's night pitch it.
26:38 --> 26:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Rob Reft's night or for him anyways.
26:40 --> 26:41 [SPEAKER_01]: But the mayor didn't do that.
26:42 --> 26:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And everyone is sitting here scratching their head at this decision.
26:47 --> 26:49 [SPEAKER_00]: for good reason, you just laid it out pretty well.
26:50 --> 26:53 [SPEAKER_00]: It would have been one thing if there was runners on base.
26:53 --> 27:00 [SPEAKER_00]: And when we go back to that decision in San Diego with Morehone, look, you and I both said we did not agree with that decision.
27:00 --> 27:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Because we said that the strategy there should have just been to give up the abat in the sixth and have Rayleigh in their in the eighth ready for Jason Adam.
27:09 --> 27:15 [SPEAKER_00]: As tough as it would have been to essentially just Rayleigh hit left on left against Morehone, which is a terrible matchup.
27:15 --> 27:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't get us wrong.
27:17 --> 27:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Conor Joe's not much better, you're essentially forefitting it about one way or another.
27:21 --> 27:25 [SPEAKER_00]: And that sets you up later to have Rayleigh hitting the eighth against Jason Adam, righty.
27:26 --> 27:32 [SPEAKER_00]: That being said, is it more understandable than this one to pinch hit Rayleigh in that scenario?
27:33 --> 27:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, because you have runners on base and you have a scoring opportunity and you don't know if you're going to have runners on base later in the game like they didn't San Diego.
27:41 --> 27:42 [SPEAKER_00]: You just don't know.
27:44 --> 27:47 [SPEAKER_00]: But here, there's nobody on base.
27:48 --> 27:49 [SPEAKER_00]: There's nobody on.
27:49 --> 28:00 [SPEAKER_00]: There's nobody out and you're yanking your hottest hitter out of the game when you should know that the A's don't have dominating lefties in their bullpen.
28:00 --> 28:01 [SPEAKER_00]: They're using one in the moment.
28:02 --> 28:11 [SPEAKER_00]: They're probably not going to use the other one that they just called up from AAA in a leverage spot in the eighth inning and you do it anyway.
28:12 --> 28:13 [SPEAKER_00]: it doesn't make any sense.
28:13 --> 28:16 [SPEAKER_00]: This one is more egregious than the Padre is one.
28:16 --> 28:22 [SPEAKER_00]: And we disagree with the Padre is one, but this one is more egregious.
28:22 --> 28:24 [SPEAKER_01]: And it really impacted them late in the game.
28:24 --> 28:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And it just gives off the impression of the other team has the ability to manipulate the Mariners lineup without having the arms to force that decision.
28:37 --> 28:41 [SPEAKER_00]: And not even manipulate the Mariners lineup, manipulate Dan Wilson.
28:41 --> 28:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Because they, like, other teams are playing chess.
28:44 --> 28:46 [SPEAKER_00]: They're thinking moves ahead.
28:46 --> 29:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And when these moves happen by the Mariners end, it makes it seem like once again, the game is moving too fast for Dan and he is not processing things at a fast enough pace to make the sound decisions.
29:02 --> 29:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Because again, otherwise, Rayleigh just stays in that game.
29:04 --> 29:06 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what boggles my mind?
29:06 --> 29:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, going back to a point you made a couple episodes
29:10 --> 29:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Once again, our guy Jason Churchill is right and predicted the future.
29:15 --> 29:35 [SPEAKER_00]: When we asked him what could be some areas that could hold the Mariners back this year from winning, one thing he talked about is the decision-making, and Dan Wilson, and one of the very first things he said is when there's nobody on or let's say a runner on first and less than two outs in the fourth or fifth or sixth inning,
29:35 --> 29:52 [SPEAKER_00]: You cannot be yanking guys out of the game for platoon situations and pinch it situations that early when you're going to have your better hitters potentially coming up later in the game against righties and it's and it's happened multiple times already none worse than what happened on monday
29:54 --> 29:58 [SPEAKER_01]: and the words of Jason Churchill, blindly yanking your players out of the line.
29:58 --> 30:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, just because you know, okay, X player only faces this type of arm, context regardless.
30:07 --> 30:08 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's not context regardless.
30:09 --> 30:12 [SPEAKER_01]: As of everything, context matters.
30:12 --> 30:23 [SPEAKER_01]: And in this situation, the context called for you letting Luke Rayleigh face a lefty in the sixth inning because he's gonna hit against a right hander
30:23 --> 30:32 [SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, TJ, to all the points you just made, when they put Rob Refts Knighter into face the lefty in the sex, well, first of it didn't work.
30:32 --> 30:32 [SPEAKER_00]: He got out.
30:34 --> 30:41 [SPEAKER_00]: But honestly, maybe the biggest key here is who had the biggest debat of the game, when you get to the bottom of the eighth inning.
30:42 --> 30:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And you have runners on base for the Mariners, right?
30:46 --> 31:06 [SPEAKER_00]: you have a chance to actually change this game is you're down a couple runs it's your opportunity a rosy rain a struck out with one man out that didn't help don't get me wrong but with two outs and two on and the mariner's needing to claw their way back into the game and get a big hit who comes to the plate in the biggest moment Robert Rock Snyder against a righty
31:07 --> 31:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I just, again, we did this the last time we went through this whole Dan Wilson charade, and it seems like we do it every week at this point, because there's something new that pops up every week.
31:17 --> 31:19 [SPEAKER_00]: How many times can this go on?
31:20 --> 31:22 [SPEAKER_00]: How many times can things not go right?
31:23 --> 31:24 [SPEAKER_00]: And it doesn't get fixed.
31:24 --> 31:31 [SPEAKER_00]: You would think when things go wrong, you're looking in the mirror and saying, okay, we've got to improve on this.
31:31 --> 31:32 [SPEAKER_00]: We've got to fix something.
31:32 --> 31:34 [SPEAKER_00]: We've got to do something differently.
31:34 --> 31:37 [SPEAKER_00]: But it is repeat offenses.
31:37 --> 31:44 [SPEAKER_00]: They keep happening over and over with such carbon, copy, similar situations.
31:45 --> 31:47 [SPEAKER_00]: and the bad results keep coming in.
31:48 --> 31:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I just don't get how this keeps happening.
31:53 --> 31:55 [SPEAKER_00]: What's the definition of insanity, Lyle?
31:56 --> 32:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, right now, these decisions look like the definition of insanity.
32:00 --> 32:04 [SPEAKER_00]: They are doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
32:04 --> 32:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Unless Rob Raff Snyder magically starts crushing right handed pictures, the process is not correct.
32:12 --> 32:14 [SPEAKER_01]: It is not giving you the best chance to win games.
32:14 --> 32:20 [SPEAKER_01]: How are you going to find the little edges to win games when clearly you're not winning those little edges right now?
32:21 --> 32:28 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't have the edge on defense, you don't have the edge on base running, you don't have the edge on power, and you also don't have the edge on decision making.
32:29 --> 32:33 [SPEAKER_01]: No wonder the Mariners are 10 and 15, they're not giving themselves a chance.
32:34 --> 32:44 [SPEAKER_00]: not really you're doing it in the rotation but not a lot of other places right now man you're just not no i mean again
32:45 --> 32:48 [SPEAKER_00]: It really does drive me nuts when this stuff goes down.
32:48 --> 32:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Because just because you have a process down, doesn't mean it's gonna work every time.
32:53 --> 32:57 [SPEAKER_00]: When you have a process down, the idea is it's gonna work more often than not.
32:57 --> 32:58 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's what you want.
32:58 --> 33:06 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not always gonna work, but if you would left Luke Rayleigh in the game and he comes up in the eighth inning against the righty and you have runners on base.
33:05 --> 33:06 [SPEAKER_00]: and he gets out.
33:07 --> 33:10 [SPEAKER_00]: It sucks, but sometimes you're just gonna get beat.
33:10 --> 33:11 [SPEAKER_00]: And you can live with that.
33:12 --> 33:13 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not fun to get beat.
33:13 --> 33:14 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not fun to lose baseball games.
33:14 --> 33:18 [SPEAKER_00]: People would still be frustrated today because they've lost two to the A's.
33:18 --> 33:20 [SPEAKER_00]: They have not hit with runners in scoring position.
33:21 --> 33:23 [SPEAKER_00]: And you wanna see this team winning baseball games when they should be.
33:24 --> 33:24 [SPEAKER_00]: It's frustrating.
33:25 --> 33:30 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's also a lot easier to swallow when you follow the right process and it just doesn't work.
33:30 --> 33:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Then when it looks like things are being just thrown
33:38 --> 33:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Not a great two games, Lyle.
33:40 --> 33:40 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
33:41 --> 33:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, it's not the reason they lost.
33:43 --> 33:50 [SPEAKER_00]: But when again, we saw a lot of this happen last year and you guys know that.
33:50 --> 33:53 [SPEAKER_00]: We talked about it all the time last year with the decisions that we're going down.
33:53 --> 34:01 [SPEAKER_00]: It got totally magnified in the playoffs with two mind-boggling decisions that went against them between,
34:01 --> 34:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Our famous carpenter meter, origin, carry carviner game one against Kirby, and then of course the one that's now most famous for the Mariners not putting Munoz in the game in game 7.
34:11 --> 34:17 [SPEAKER_00]: By the way, as we seem to come back and mention every time we have to talk about Dan decisions, nothing ever came of that.
34:18 --> 34:21 [SPEAKER_00]: They didn't hire any game strategists.
34:21 --> 34:28 [SPEAKER_00]: There wasn't a lot of accountability taken by anybody saying, hey, like next time we're going to do that differently.
34:28 --> 34:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Next time looking back on that, we would have managed that differently.
34:31 --> 34:41 [SPEAKER_00]: And after that happened, it's being parlayed by all the same mistakes that were happening last year with the decisions, happening again.
34:42 --> 34:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's starting to drive people really crazy.
34:44 --> 34:50 [SPEAKER_00]: You've seen a lot of the discourse about the in-game decisions really start to magnify in the first three, four weeks of this season.
34:51 --> 35:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Because I think, and I think a lot of that, I'm gonna be honest, I think a whole lot of that has to do with game seven, obviously broke people's hearts and drove them nuts and then nothing's changing since then.
35:04 --> 35:12 [SPEAKER_01]: It has been more than I've expected, like, we know Dan is not good at this, not good at his decision-making.
35:12 --> 35:17 [SPEAKER_01]: But I didn't think we would get such public agreement on that.
35:17 --> 35:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, too, it's good to see people who are good to see.
35:20 --> 35:20 [SPEAKER_01]: We're not alone in.
35:20 --> 35:23 [SPEAKER_01]: There's not a few, it's many.
35:23 --> 35:24 [SPEAKER_00]: It seems.
35:24 --> 35:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, people are pissed.
35:25 --> 35:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I think people are starting to see it.
35:27 --> 35:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, we've talked about this for a long time.
35:29 --> 35:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I think a lot of people are starting to see it.
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36:49 --> 36:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's get a little positivity going here, Lyle.
36:52 --> 36:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think Julio Rodriguez is off to as bad of a start.
36:55 --> 36:57 [SPEAKER_01]: If you look at his raw stat line, it looks bad.
36:58 --> 37:00 [SPEAKER_01]: He's got an 85WRC plus.
37:00 --> 37:08 [SPEAKER_01]: But if you look a little closer, I don't actually think Julio's having as bad of an April as people might think.
37:09 --> 37:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna break one of our golden rules here, Tige.
37:11 --> 37:13 [SPEAKER_00]: And we almost never do it, but I'm gonna do it.
37:14 --> 37:16 [SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna talk about batting average for a second here.
37:17 --> 37:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Cause then Julio's last seven games.
37:19 --> 37:19 [SPEAKER_00]: He's hitting 320.
37:20 --> 37:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh.
37:23 --> 37:31 [SPEAKER_00]: There's context here, there's a reason we don't always do this, because then when you look at his OPS, is good, it's at a solid place in the last seven games.
37:32 --> 37:34 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's not the number you think it would be when you hear a guy's hitting 320.
37:35 --> 37:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Julio's OPS in the last seven games is 774.
37:41 --> 37:50 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's about a superstar like Julio or a potential superstar like Julio, you often think is OPSing much higher than that when in a stretch hitting 320.
37:50 --> 37:56 [SPEAKER_00]: But regardless, that goes back to what we talked about where not enough damage is being done by the Mariners offense.
37:56 --> 37:59 [SPEAKER_00]: But Julio himself just comparing it to other April's.
37:59 --> 38:05 [SPEAKER_00]: The last week he is hitting, he is racking up hits, he is on base, and
38:06 --> 38:16 [SPEAKER_00]: a 7704 OPS is a much above average hitter by WRC+, so yeah, he's been on a nice run the last week, and I think it even stretches longer than that, like you were mentioning.
38:16 --> 38:19 [SPEAKER_01]: You could look at a season and break it up into two parts.
38:19 --> 38:30 [SPEAKER_01]: He had a first week created WRC+, of negative three, and then ever since then, which has been about three weeks, time, he's had a 1, 21 WRC+.
38:31 --> 38:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Pretty good?
38:32 --> 38:37 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a, that's a Julio Rodriguez career average WRC plus right there.
38:38 --> 38:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Give her take a few percentage points.
38:40 --> 38:46 [SPEAKER_01]: He's not slugging, but this version of Julio Rodriguez is hitting 21 with a 370 on-base percentage.
38:47 --> 38:49 [SPEAKER_01]: for April, that's really good.
38:50 --> 38:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And Julio's aprils are not foreign to a lack of power.
38:54 --> 38:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Julio's only slugged over 400 one time and his career in April.
38:58 --> 39:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise, it's been a lot of three, 50s to three, 70s in the slugging department.
39:04 --> 39:06 [SPEAKER_01]: This year, I mean, it's right in line with that.
39:06 --> 39:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's slugging.
39:08 --> 39:17 [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to total slash on East, slugging 289 in April, in April.
39:17 --> 39:23 [SPEAKER_01]: but, you know, the number looks a lot better if Jack's a girl doesn't catch that ball as well.
39:24 --> 39:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, and honestly, if you stretch it out a little further with Julio, because I was talking about his last week, but his last 15 games, he is opiasing over 800.
39:32 --> 39:34 [SPEAKER_00]: You want, you want to see him opiast a little higher?
39:34 --> 39:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, because when he's in the middle of your lineup, you just want to see him do a lot of damage, and Julio will do damage.
39:40 --> 39:43 [SPEAKER_00]: You know he's not going to slug less than 300 all year, of course he's not.
39:44 --> 39:50 [SPEAKER_00]: But if you want to look at his last 15 games, he's hitting 296, so almost 300, and he's OPS and a little bit over 800.
39:50 --> 40:00 [SPEAKER_00]: You want to see him do more damage, but you take that first week out, and Julio's had a much better April than he has had in years past.
40:01 --> 40:07 [SPEAKER_01]: There's not a lot under the hood that screams of something is changed for Julio and his approach.
40:07 --> 40:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I just think he's playing better.
40:08 --> 40:13 [SPEAKER_01]: All of his all of his circles, except for his bat speed, are blue, on baseball
40:13 --> 40:21 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's called he contacts his call he contact is expected triple slash barrel rate as hard hit percentage is ground ball rate.
40:21 --> 40:22 [SPEAKER_01]: It's it's not great.
40:22 --> 40:28 [SPEAKER_01]: It is squared up percentage is in the second percentile squared up is hitting the ball at the ideal launch angle.
40:29 --> 40:33 [SPEAKER_01]: He's not doing that at all, which you could tell because he's not hitting for any power.
40:34 --> 40:35 [SPEAKER_01]: He's making a decent contact.
40:36 --> 40:38 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you want another positive.
40:38 --> 40:40 [SPEAKER_00]: He's walking a little bit right now.
40:40 --> 40:42 [SPEAKER_00]: The walk rate's up a little.
40:42 --> 40:44 [SPEAKER_00]: He's walking in close to 11% of the time.
40:45 --> 40:50 [SPEAKER_00]: So if you want one of his other survived bubbles, that's a little closer to the red, it is that walk rate of his.
40:50 --> 40:55 [SPEAKER_00]: And while yes, he still see him chase the sliders low in a way, sure.
40:55 --> 40:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Overall, is he still a chaser, and does he still go after a lot of pitches?
40:59 --> 40:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, he does.
41:01 --> 41:05 [SPEAKER_00]: But to see it balanced out a little bit more with some more walks early on, is a nice sign.
41:07 --> 41:10 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll see how the power comes along as Hulia warms up a little bit.
41:11 --> 41:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
41:11 --> 41:12 [SPEAKER_00]: And you know what?
41:13 --> 41:18 [SPEAKER_00]: While we mentioned his defense by the outcome of average is a little bit down right now, you would think it'll correct itself.
41:18 --> 41:19 [SPEAKER_00]: But it is a little bit down in April.
41:20 --> 41:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I will give him some credit because you want to talk about all the bad that came of the last two games.
41:24 --> 41:28 [SPEAKER_00]: The ball he caught against Kurt's on Monday, that was nuts.
41:28 --> 41:36 [SPEAKER_00]: That is an insane play when you see the flight path of that baseball from Kurt's and how Hulia adjusted to it.
41:36 --> 41:37 [SPEAKER_01]: That was a true knuckleball.
41:38 --> 41:41 [SPEAKER_01]: It's every field there's worst nightmare.
41:41 --> 41:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Can that only happen to centerfielders, by the way?
41:44 --> 41:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to do some physics math on my head.
41:46 --> 41:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it possible to pull ball with no spin?
41:51 --> 41:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'm sure if you hit it the other way, it can spin.
41:55 --> 41:56 [SPEAKER_00]: No, but no spin, it can't spin.
41:57 --> 41:58 [SPEAKER_01]: That's point of a knuckleball.
41:59 --> 42:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, I don't know.
42:01 --> 42:03 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's funny.
42:03 --> 42:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Speaking of Kurt's we asked him about this on Tuesday and he said the same thing we said watching it on TV He's like I didn't actually realize what that baseball did until I went back and watched the replay Because I'm gonna be honest when I watched that in real time I was like did who will miss judge that baseball that badly like what just happened?
42:22 --> 42:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like I'm glad he made the catch, but I was like
42:26 --> 42:28 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it didn't seem like you read it all that great.
42:28 --> 42:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Then you watch the replay and you're like, Oh, no, that ball had a absurd flight path to it.
42:35 --> 42:37 [SPEAKER_00]: And whoio did read it right?
42:37 --> 42:38 [SPEAKER_00]: It's spun the other way on.
42:39 --> 42:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm and credit to him for sticking with it and making a really, really athletic play.
42:43 --> 42:45 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the second time that's happened to him in his career.
42:45 --> 42:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like you can play 20 years in the big leagues and that never happens.
42:49 --> 42:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Crazy.
42:50 --> 42:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it happens against Mike Trauer, right?
42:52 --> 42:53 [SPEAKER_00]: And he missed it.
42:54 --> 42:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that was his rookie year.
42:56 --> 42:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
42:57 --> 42:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Lesson learned.
42:59 --> 42:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Lesson learned.
43:00 --> 43:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Go all out for the ball, which I think he went all out for the first time.
43:02 --> 43:03 [SPEAKER_01]: He just missed it.
43:04 --> 43:05 [SPEAKER_01]: It was the same path he took to.
43:05 --> 43:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I think he was going to his left and the trout ball went back across his body to who he was right and it went over a shoulder.
43:13 --> 43:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Not this time.
43:15 --> 43:15 [SPEAKER_02]: No.
43:15 --> 43:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Shout out.
43:16 --> 43:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Shout out Julio.
43:17 --> 43:22 [SPEAKER_00]: If he can use this to leverage what should be
43:22 --> 43:26 [SPEAKER_00]: a really good year and he goes into May, June, July, August, etc.
43:26 --> 43:28 [SPEAKER_00]: and just takes off from there, that'd be great.
43:28 --> 43:29 [SPEAKER_00]: That'd be awesome.
43:31 --> 43:33 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, Luis Castillo.
43:33 --> 43:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I thought you were about to finish your sentence listening else.
43:37 --> 43:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk a little bit about Luis Castillo too.
43:39 --> 43:42 [SPEAKER_01]: He had five innings and two earned runs here on Tuesday night.
43:43 --> 43:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Wasn't his best start?
43:45 --> 43:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Wasn't his worst start?
43:47 --> 43:52 [SPEAKER_01]: but it is pretty clear that we're still seeing an ever-regressing Luis Castillo.
43:53 --> 43:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow, why do you think that is?
43:57 --> 43:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I think there's a lot of reasons.
43:58 --> 44:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, number one, he doesn't have swing and miss stuff anymore.
44:04 --> 44:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I know he had a handful of strikeouts tonight or here on Tuesday, but
44:09 --> 44:14 [SPEAKER_00]: the strikeout rate of Louise Castillo just continues to decrease.
44:14 --> 44:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it wasn't in a great spot last year.
44:16 --> 44:17 [SPEAKER_00]: It was below average.
44:18 --> 44:20 [SPEAKER_00]: It's been trending down each of the last few seasons.
44:20 --> 44:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's gone down every year since he's come to the mariners.
44:25 --> 44:38 [SPEAKER_00]: or just about, I guess since he signed his extension, because it went from his strikeout rate, it went from being in the 77th percentile league in 23, went by the way, had his best season in Mariners uniform and finished top 5 in Saigon voting.
44:38 --> 44:48 [SPEAKER_00]: 77th percentile, then dropped to the 60th percentile in 24, it dropped to the 43rd percentile last year, which is below average.
44:47 --> 44:51 [SPEAKER_00]: And right now it's sitting in the 31st percentile, at least entering that star tonight.
44:52 --> 44:55 [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't have the same swing and miss stuff that he once had.
44:55 --> 44:59 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think a lot of that is because he doesn't have that second true dominating pitch anymore.
45:00 --> 45:01 [SPEAKER_00]: When he got to Seattle, right?
45:02 --> 45:05 [SPEAKER_00]: He like the changeup started to fade by that point.
45:05 --> 45:13 [SPEAKER_00]: That famous Luis Castillo changeup that he had in Cincinnati never really had it in Seattle, but he had a dominating fastball.
45:14 --> 45:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, he hasn't really had a second pitch this year.
45:17 --> 45:20 [SPEAKER_00]: He's had the slider in years past.
45:20 --> 45:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Right now that slider's not doing enough form.
45:23 --> 45:27 [SPEAKER_01]: and it's fastball, his fastball is an interesting beast, right?
45:27 --> 45:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Because even though the velocity on a declined, he still managed to have a productive season with that pitch last year.
45:34 --> 45:37 [SPEAKER_01]: His run value on that pitch last year is still 11.
45:38 --> 45:44 [SPEAKER_01]: He still was doing his job with his forcing fastball last year.
45:44 --> 46:00 [SPEAKER_01]: But some of the other pitches, like, they're just kind of losing their effectiveness and like losing the effectiveness of the slider, which if you look by run value, I mean, the slider hasn't been the slider hasn't really been a great on looking at sinkers.
46:00 --> 46:08 [SPEAKER_01]: The slider has never been a great pitch in a Mariners uniform, but it does help him play off his fastball a little bit.
46:09 --> 46:12 [SPEAKER_01]: it's I do feel like it's a combination of two things.
46:12 --> 46:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I I the secondary pitches is like the lack of having the dominant secondary pitch is probably it's reason number one because he's unable to offset his lap his.
46:27 --> 46:33 [SPEAKER_01]: lack a fastball velocity and is fastball velocity that is trending down as the seasons go on.
46:33 --> 46:42 [SPEAKER_01]: And just the overall productivity of the pitch, Luis Castilloini first came over to the Mariners in 2022 had a run value of plus 17 on his foreseen fastball.
46:42 --> 46:46 [SPEAKER_01]: then in 23 in his best year is plus 21 and then it goes down to 12 and then 11.
46:47 --> 47:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Still good pitches, but not quite as dominant as it used to be and when it's not quite as dominant the secondary pitches get exposed a little bit more and honestly just don't think Louis's command has been all that great either.
47:02 --> 47:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, his whip is almost two, so no, he's giving up way too many hits and way too many bass runners every inning.
47:10 --> 47:16 [SPEAKER_00]: When you have a whip of 1.8 like Luis did entering the start, means you're giving up almost two bass runners in inning.
47:17 --> 47:17 [SPEAKER_00]: He can't do that.
47:18 --> 47:23 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not had the same effectiveness as he's had in years past.
47:23 --> 47:31 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just decreased and decreased every year and
47:31 --> 47:53 [SPEAKER_00]: that are good enough, like you look at his last couple of years, and you know, as he rays in the mid threes and the whips in the one ones and he throws his innings and he's a war course for them, like he's a mid to back end rotation starter in terms of the way he pitched the last couple of years, which is fine, it's not
47:53 --> 47:57 [SPEAKER_00]: who he was when he came over here, but it's still doing a certain type of job.
47:58 --> 48:02 [SPEAKER_00]: We're now, he's just losing all that, because again, he's not going deep into games.
48:03 --> 48:09 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not building up the bulk of the length and throwing the six innings every time out.
48:09 --> 48:10 [SPEAKER_00]: He's given up a lot of hits.
48:10 --> 48:13 [SPEAKER_00]: His pitches are decreasing in effectiveness.
48:14 --> 48:18 [SPEAKER_00]: And frankly, other guys are surpassing him, most notably Emerson Hancock.
48:19 --> 48:27 [SPEAKER_01]: A problem with what Luis Castillo is doing right now is that April's usually a really good bump for him and his career and especially in America's uniform.
48:27 --> 48:29 [SPEAKER_01]: He's been really good on the weather's been cold.
48:29 --> 48:33 [SPEAKER_01]: This month though, I mean, it's, that's not good.
48:33 --> 48:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Peter's hitting before today.
48:34 --> 48:36 [SPEAKER_01]: We're hitting 329 against him.
48:37 --> 48:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Highest slugging percentage in the month of April.
48:41 --> 48:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Highest swated on base average against him in a month of April.
48:44 --> 48:45 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a bad combination.
48:47 --> 48:52 [SPEAKER_00]: So is this conversation going to pick up as Bryce Miller starts to get closer and closer to returning?
48:52 --> 48:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Which it's not going to be tomorrow.
48:54 --> 48:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Sounds like Bryce Miller is going to use the majority of that window that they open for his rehab about 30 days.
49:00 --> 49:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Sounds like it'll probably be around mid-May that Bryce Miller comes back.
49:04 --> 49:10 [SPEAKER_00]: but is this conversation continues to go on between who's gonna get knocked out of that Mariners rotation once Bryce Miller's back?
49:11 --> 49:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's becoming more and more in argument at this point that it has to be Luis Castillo, in my opinion.
49:18 --> 49:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it can be Emerson Hancock at this point.
49:20 --> 49:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Not the way he's pitched.
49:23 --> 49:27 [SPEAKER_01]: The more and more I think about it, the more it might just be a fan to my else in.
49:28 --> 49:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's what I've said, right?
49:30 --> 49:34 [SPEAKER_01]: You're not going to put, I just don't, I don't see this profile in a bullpen.
49:34 --> 49:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't see it.
49:36 --> 49:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, maybe it could play up if you do it in ending at a time.
49:39 --> 49:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't know that for sure.
49:40 --> 49:43 [SPEAKER_00]: But you also don't want to just put them in there as a longer.
49:43 --> 49:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, sorry, if you were to put them in there, you were going to put them in there as a long reliever, because you want to try to keep them stretched out to some extent.
49:50 --> 49:53 [SPEAKER_00]: But you're also not going to do this in May, like we talked about.
49:53 --> 50:06 [SPEAKER_00]: It feels unlikely you would one do that to the morale of the team, because even though we sit here and say, yes, Luis is the odd man out, you don't know how that would affect the clubhouse if a veteran like him is essentially told to go be a long reliever.
50:06 --> 50:21 [SPEAKER_00]: paired with the fact that in May you just don't know what other injuries can pop up and you don't know how that can mess with his routine and how easy is that for a veteran to just transfer back into the rotation after being in the bullpen every day.
50:21 --> 50:22 [SPEAKER_00]: You just don't know.
50:22 --> 50:29 [SPEAKER_00]: If everybody is truly healthy when Bryce Miller comes back, it just feels like you're going to go with a fan of my outstanding with Louise.
50:29 --> 50:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Which obviously the mariners are knocking an ounce.
50:32 --> 50:37 [SPEAKER_00]: themselves saying, hey, we're going to make up an injury for Louise Castillo and put him on the IL.
50:38 --> 50:46 [SPEAKER_00]: No, it'll be a normal report and a normal press release like you see with all these injuries and say, play Rex hits the injured list with injury that is this.
50:47 --> 50:49 [SPEAKER_00]: They'll say it's something with Louise.
50:49 --> 50:50 [SPEAKER_00]: He'll go on the IL.
50:51 --> 50:57 [SPEAKER_00]: He'll take a few weeks off and if the Mariners are still fully healthy by then, you'll figure it out.
50:58 --> 51:07 [SPEAKER_00]: because I mean, let's say it's July, maybe then the team would say, okay, we have what we have and Kate Anderson and Ryan Sloan are on the way.
51:07 --> 51:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Luis may not factor back into this rotation.
51:10 --> 51:11 [SPEAKER_00]: And if that's the case, okay?
51:12 --> 51:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Then maybe you tell him we need you as a long reliever in the bullpen, but in May when there's still a chance that he's going to need to start to more games down the stretch for this team during the year, you're probably not going to commit them into the bullpen that early, which is why I think of everybody's healthy by then sounds like we're in pretty much an agreement right now that it feels like they just fat on my album.
51:33 --> 51:44 [SPEAKER_01]: If you want last bit for me, if you want a little bit of positivity with Luis Castile, there's a chance he's been a little unlucky, especially when it comes to his slider.
51:44 --> 51:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Like his sinkers, not been good this year and his sinkers should be getting hit harder than it is.
51:49 --> 51:57 [SPEAKER_01]: So in full context, Pitchy throws 21% of the time is supposed to be getting hit even harder than it is currently getting hit right now.
51:57 --> 52:02 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's not where I would look to as optimism, where I would look for optimism some more.
52:02 --> 52:14 [SPEAKER_01]: But I would look like a slider, which has over a hundred point differences in both batting average to expected batting average, just slugging to expected slugging and then woeba to expected woeba.
52:15 --> 52:25 [SPEAKER_01]: So I would imagine that pitch, perhaps we'll get a little bit better as the season goes long and if that pitch does get better, then I think we can see a better version of Luis Castillo.
52:25 --> 52:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And this anticipates this kind of pairs with him throwing better strikes.
52:32 --> 52:34 [SPEAKER_00]: But we'll see how many more starts you get to make during the year.
52:35 --> 52:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Because again,
52:37 --> 52:40 [SPEAKER_00]: you just can't take Emerson Hancock out of this rotation at this point.
52:40 --> 52:41 [SPEAKER_00]: You can't do it.
52:41 --> 52:41 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
52:42 --> 52:49 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't think you can, but we will see when Bryce gets ramped up, but Bryce is going to take his time rehabbing.
52:50 --> 52:54 [SPEAKER_01]: It sounded like they were going to make him use the full 30 days.
52:54 --> 53:17 [SPEAKER_00]: which makes sense because he didn't really have a spring training so he's got to build up some workload in that right arm so I get it but see what happens by done and we'll see how Emerson and Louise continue to compare as their starts go on but as we sit here five starts in about a month into the season I think it's a pretty almost breathtaking takeaway
53:17 --> 53:21 [SPEAKER_00]: in the sense of, yeah, Emerson Hancock has totally transformed himself.
53:21 --> 53:26 [SPEAKER_00]: He looks really sharp through a month of games, and Luis is trending the wrong way.
53:28 --> 53:34 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll see how this looks a few weeks from now when the Mariners do have to make a decision, and then we will have plenty to talk about.
53:34 --> 53:35 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no doubt.
53:36 --> 53:47 [SPEAKER_00]: For now, we'll let you guys go and hopefully by the next time we hop on, we can, I don't know, talk about a win, come Friday's episode, hopefully the Mariners have salvaged the series against the A's, you would hope.
53:47 --> 53:51 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll get and we'll get an off day Well, those are all nice.
53:51 --> 53:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, the man who's can't lose on an off day.
53:53 --> 54:11 [SPEAKER_00]: No When the mariners are not playing well off days are often much needed for not just players, but fans He's needed day off and I mean hell don't you think metz fans were pretty happy to get an off day on Monday I'm sure they were it was probably terrible to come back Tuesday and have to watch them lose again, but you got an off day Monday.
54:12 --> 54:12 [SPEAKER_00]: They couldn't lose
54:14 --> 54:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
54:15 --> 54:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, I want to check in with Mr. Fleming on that.
54:18 --> 54:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, I'm sure he's in a great mood.
54:19 --> 54:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure he is.
54:21 --> 54:23 [SPEAKER_00]: It'll be Aaron Savali and Logan Gilbert on Wednesday.
54:23 --> 54:32 [SPEAKER_00]: So let's hope that Logan repeats the start that he had his last time out and helps anger the Mariners to a win because they need it.
54:32 --> 54:36 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners have the starting pitching advantage for third time in three games.
54:36 --> 54:38 [SPEAKER_01]: The series surely they'll win all three games.
54:39 --> 54:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh good.
54:41 --> 54:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
54:42 --> 54:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's cross our fingers.
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