Lyle and TJ react to the Mariners series win in St. Louis from Moss Bay Hall in Kirkland. They discuss the importance of Saturday's win against a lefty (2:30) and Rob Refsnyder's clutch moment on Sunday (21:08). They close out the show talking about another dominant Kade Anderson outing, and whether or not his timeline will be accelerated (34:33).
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00:00 --> 00:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, in episode number 395 of the Marine layer, podcasts, the Mariners sweep the Cardinals in St. Louis, believe it or not.
00:07 --> 00:11 [SPEAKER_00]: They forexed their season road win total just this weekend.
00:11 --> 00:12 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about the series.
00:12 --> 00:15 [SPEAKER_00]: And then I hear those guy pitch and pretty well down on the Mariners farm system.
00:15 --> 00:16 [SPEAKER_00]: That will talk about as well.
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01:00 --> 01:05 [SPEAKER_00]: And we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Lair, podcast part of the just baseball podcast network.
01:05 --> 01:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Recording here on Sunday afternoon, April 26th.
01:08 --> 01:16 [SPEAKER_00]: It is a perfect date here in Kirkland, Washington at Moss Bay Hall, where we just watched the Mariners sweep the St. Louis Cardinals.
01:16 --> 01:17 [SPEAKER_00]: And we have some people here.
01:17 --> 01:23 [SPEAKER_00]: We had our first Mariners watch party of the season in partnership with Corona and the Hall.
01:23 --> 01:24 [SPEAKER_00]: It was a fantastic turnout.
01:24 --> 01:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Guys, was it good?
01:26 --> 01:27 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, great.
01:27 --> 01:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's go baby.
01:29 --> 01:30 [SPEAKER_00]: They'll see it was pretty fun.
01:31 --> 01:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Had a great time here dog today.
01:33 --> 01:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean it's all easier when they sweep a series, isn't it?
01:36 --> 01:36 [SPEAKER_00]: It is.
01:36 --> 01:39 [SPEAKER_00]: We're now one for two on the season on location events.
01:39 --> 01:42 [SPEAKER_01]: And the last time we did a live event, we said season was over.
01:42 --> 01:44 [SPEAKER_00]: The season was over after opening day.
01:44 --> 01:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was.
01:45 --> 01:47 [SPEAKER_01]: So now do we say back on?
01:47 --> 01:48 [SPEAKER_01]: The season is back on, yeah.
01:48 --> 01:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they just swept the team.
01:50 --> 01:52 [SPEAKER_01]: There's still under 500, but you know what?
01:53 --> 01:54 [SPEAKER_01]: You're 14 and 15 at the end of April.
01:54 --> 01:55 [SPEAKER_01]: You can live with it.
01:55 --> 01:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Would I have like to see them start hotter?
01:57 --> 02:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I think everybody would have loved to see them start hotter, but you can live with 14 and 15 on the last Sunday and April.
02:02 --> 02:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, 500 months don't kill you.
02:03 --> 02:04 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
02:04 --> 02:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Early in the season, 10 games under 500, 7 games under 500, those kill you.
02:09 --> 02:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I fully believe in this thing.
02:11 --> 02:12 [SPEAKER_01]: You cannot win a division in April.
02:13 --> 02:14 [SPEAKER_01]: You can lose one in April.
02:14 --> 02:15 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners have not done that.
02:15 --> 02:17 [SPEAKER_01]: They have not lost their division in April.
02:17 --> 02:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they haven't been perfect, but especially what we saw this weekend, there are some pretty good trends that we want to talk about.
02:22 --> 02:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I know the Cardinals are in a great team.
02:25 --> 02:28 [SPEAKER_00]: They sold off a ton of their really good pieces over the winter.
02:28 --> 02:30 [SPEAKER_00]: One of them is currently on the Mariners in Brennan, Donovan.
02:31 --> 02:34 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's not like they didn't present some challenges for the Mariners.
02:34 --> 02:37 [SPEAKER_00]: There were some things that we were wondering going into the series.
02:37 --> 02:40 [SPEAKER_00]: could the Mariners handle and I think they handled it pretty well.
02:40 --> 02:47 [SPEAKER_00]: But before we get to that, let's talk to you about our friends at Corona who put on these events with us and the hall throughout the entire twenty twenty six Mariners season.
02:48 --> 02:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Some of you might have come to the one on opening day at Oxdental Hall.
02:51 --> 02:51 [SPEAKER_00]: That was fun.
02:51 --> 02:54 [SPEAKER_00]: That's where our next one will be on May 17th.
02:54 --> 02:57 [SPEAKER_00]: If you want to go to our social media channels, by the way.
02:57 --> 02:59 [SPEAKER_00]: We put out the schedule for the first four.
03:00 --> 03:07 [SPEAKER_00]: The April one, the May one, the June one and the July one are all pinned on our social media channels at Marine Lair pod.
03:07 --> 03:11 [SPEAKER_00]: So if you want to get dates, you want to get times, recommend you go check that out.
03:11 --> 03:14 [SPEAKER_00]: If you want to get in on one of these events and you think that sounds pretty fun.
03:15 --> 03:18 [SPEAKER_00]: But with Corona, Corona is the official beer partner of the Seattle Mariners.
03:18 --> 03:24 [SPEAKER_00]: They have some cool opportunity story in the park and then here at the hall as well if you come to one of our events.
03:25 --> 03:29 [SPEAKER_00]: There's the newly remodeled corona beach bar at the stadium.
03:29 --> 03:29 [SPEAKER_00]: It's in left field.
03:29 --> 03:34 [SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of hard to miss if you're walking on that left field conqueror's like, wow, you know where the secret door is, right?
03:34 --> 03:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I do, are we allowed to give it away?
03:36 --> 03:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think we are.
03:36 --> 03:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the Mariners might be mad.
03:38 --> 03:45 [SPEAKER_00]: So the secret door is somewhere on the first level of concourse, but the corona beach bar is in the same area, ish in left field.
03:46 --> 03:51 [SPEAKER_00]: So if you walk around the left field, concourse, that's where the corona beach bar is at the stadium.
03:51 --> 03:52 [SPEAKER_00]: if you go check that out.
03:52 --> 03:53 [SPEAKER_00]: That's awesome.
03:53 --> 03:56 [SPEAKER_00]: But there's also some options for you if you drink Corona at the ballpark.
03:56 --> 04:00 [SPEAKER_00]: You have Corona premiere, which is lighter than the light option.
04:00 --> 04:03 [SPEAKER_00]: You have the sun brew option, which is great for weather days like this.
04:03 --> 04:05 [SPEAKER_00]: We're a sunny and it's warm out.
04:05 --> 04:07 [SPEAKER_00]: You have Corona NA if you want to not alcoholic option.
04:07 --> 04:13 [SPEAKER_00]: And then you have Corona extra, which is the option that takes everyone back to the beach or to the ballpark.
04:14 --> 04:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Go drink yourself, Corona.
04:15 --> 04:19 [SPEAKER_00]: If you come to one of these events here throughout the 2026 season,
04:19 --> 04:20 [SPEAKER_00]: She come drink your corona.
04:20 --> 04:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I had one today.
04:21 --> 04:22 [SPEAKER_00]: It was fantastic.
04:22 --> 04:23 [SPEAKER_00]: It's always great.
04:23 --> 04:27 [SPEAKER_01]: And again, when you pile all that on top of the Mariners win, makes it that much better.
04:27 --> 04:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And a Mariners sweep, double it even further.
04:30 --> 04:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Up before we get into the storyline allow, we're here for brunch today at the hall.
04:34 --> 04:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Is there like, we just want to highlight the fact that the hall does have brunch.
04:38 --> 04:43 [SPEAKER_00]: We talk about the hall all the time for their burgers and their dinner and their event things.
04:43 --> 04:46 [SPEAKER_00]: They have brunch here too, and there's some really, really good options.
04:46 --> 04:49 [SPEAKER_00]: If you were to look at this menu, what sticks out to you?
04:49 --> 04:54 [SPEAKER_01]: everything, but if you want me to pick one thing, the breakfast burrito, pretty good.
04:54 --> 05:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you've got tater tots, you've got cheese, bell pepper, grilled onion, scrambled eggs, aoli, avocado, bacon, sausage.
05:02 --> 05:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's loaded and it is very, very good.
05:05 --> 05:07 [SPEAKER_01]: If it sounds good, it's probably because it is good.
05:07 --> 05:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I watched you by the way.
05:09 --> 05:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I watched you eat that haul Ruben breakfast this morning.
05:12 --> 05:12 [SPEAKER_00]: So good.
05:12 --> 05:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you look like you were in heaven.
05:14 --> 05:32 [SPEAKER_00]: It was really good potatoes, eggs, it had, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,
05:32 --> 05:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Newtella.
05:32 --> 05:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
05:33 --> 05:34 [SPEAKER_01]: How bad can that be?
05:35 --> 05:35 [SPEAKER_00]: It's hard to miss.
05:36 --> 05:43 [SPEAKER_00]: If you want to get breakfast at the hall, we'll probably have another breakfast event for one of these sometime throughout the 2026 season.
05:44 --> 05:49 [SPEAKER_00]: But if it's not an event of ours, they do it on weekends, Saturdays, and Sundays until 2 p.m.
05:50 --> 05:52 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a delicious menu, just like their dinner except breakfast.
05:52 --> 06:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if you want to take up TJ's recommendation, get the hall room in hash, because this man was basically in heaven eating
06:01 --> 06:02 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, Mariners Storylines.
06:02 --> 06:03 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners.
06:03 --> 06:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't really know how you start with anything other than Saturdays win.
06:07 --> 06:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Because if you want to look to a turning point in this season, if you want to do such a thing early on, I don't know how you don't look to that win and say, all right, if you want a confidence booster, that just gave them that.
06:19 --> 06:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Because Brian Wu had his worst start of the year, balls were flying out of the yard in St. Louis.
06:23 --> 06:24 [SPEAKER_01]: It was back and forth.
06:24 --> 06:25 [SPEAKER_01]: It was a barn burner.
06:25 --> 06:27 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners were down for a lot of that game.
06:28 --> 06:31 [SPEAKER_01]: But they came through in the end and they found a way to get that win and they needed it.
06:31 --> 06:44 [SPEAKER_00]: If you were just a blind resume of for a Mariners fan, Brian Wu gives up seven earned runs and he doesn't make it past the third inning of the game, you know, like, all right, they're going to lose.
06:44 --> 06:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Like you just take your out.
06:46 --> 06:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, my answer to that is, TV's going off in the third inning.
06:49 --> 06:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, TV's going off.
06:50 --> 06:51 [SPEAKER_00]: It's, you know, it's a weekend day.
06:51 --> 06:54 [SPEAKER_00]: It is time to go do something else besides watch the Mariners.
06:55 --> 07:01 [SPEAKER_00]: But the Mariners are able to fight through that game and they come out within 11 to 9 victory, but it's not just like how they did it.
07:01 --> 07:09 [SPEAKER_00]: First of all, I love looking at the baseball savant box scores after games, cause it kinda tells a story that a normal box score doesn't.
07:09 --> 07:17 [SPEAKER_00]: You have pitching breakdowns, and it is all the bad at ball data for the game on there, which for whatever level of fan you are, I mean, there is something for it.
07:17 --> 07:21 [SPEAKER_00]: They have the basic box score on there, if that's all you care about, but they have some other things too.
07:22 --> 07:36 [SPEAKER_00]: The number one thing I don't think I've ever seen for a Seattle Mariners baseball game before, they didn't expect it batting average, which is essentially the quality of contact you produce throughout the game, a 408 for the entire as a team.
07:36 --> 07:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they put the stat up during the broadcast.
07:39 --> 07:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Wasn't there a total of 35 hard hit baseballs in that game?
07:42 --> 07:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
07:42 --> 07:44 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a lot for a series.
07:45 --> 07:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
07:45 --> 07:47 [SPEAKER_01]: There's 35 hard hit balls in one game.
07:47 --> 07:47 [SPEAKER_01]: That doesn't happen.
07:48 --> 07:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm telling you, some of them was up with the air density and St. Louis on Saturday because baseballs were flying.
07:52 --> 07:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this entire weekend, I know there was an a ton of games scored here on Sunday, but the ball was still flying.
07:56 --> 07:59 [SPEAKER_00]: The runs are being scored by home runs for the most part.
07:59 --> 07:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
07:59 --> 08:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Outside of the the Koleon go ahead single in the seventh inning.
08:04 --> 08:08 [SPEAKER_00]: the weather was good for offense in St. Louis, but I think the Saturday game is more per week.
08:08 --> 08:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Talk about the Sunday game after this, but the Saturday game is the most important because of one specific thing.
08:14 --> 08:15 [SPEAKER_00]: It was this week.
08:15 --> 08:18 [SPEAKER_00]: We watched Jacob Lopez beat this team.
08:18 --> 08:23 [SPEAKER_00]: And we were complaining, it's like, you know, Jacob Lopez is a six-year-ra for the ace.
08:23 --> 08:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And the Mariners could not hit him with their right-handed line up, and it was incredibly frustrating.
08:29 --> 08:33 [SPEAKER_00]: But Matthew Libertor for the Cardinals, another left-handed hitter comes out there on Saturday.
08:34 --> 08:36 [SPEAKER_00]: And the Mariners, I mean, they don't only beat him while they crushed him.
08:37 --> 08:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they did.
08:39 --> 08:40 [SPEAKER_01]: And credit to the Mariners.
08:40 --> 08:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, even with the Cardinals selling some pieces off, they do have guys that can pitch.
08:44 --> 08:45 [SPEAKER_01]: You looked at the guys over the weekend.
08:45 --> 08:49 [SPEAKER_01]: They had Palante, and you had Libertor, first rounder, McGree V, first rounder.
08:49 --> 08:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Guys with real stop.
08:51 --> 08:52 [SPEAKER_01]: We said Libertor is not going to be a world leader.
08:52 --> 08:56 [SPEAKER_01]: He's not the best left-handed starter in baseball, but he's good.
08:56 --> 08:59 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're not prepared for him, he'll give you hell.
08:59 --> 09:05 [SPEAKER_01]: but the Mariners were right on them on Saturday, which was part of what we talked about for needing to come away with a series win.
09:05 --> 09:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, what do we highlight on Friday during our social video?
09:08 --> 09:09 [SPEAKER_01]: We said they had to do a couple things.
09:10 --> 09:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Stars had to come up big beat the lefty, which they did because you have to get over that hump against the lefties at some point in time.
09:18 --> 09:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Like all the storylines we talked about going into that series, we said,
09:23 --> 09:33 [SPEAKER_01]: this is how you're going to have to win the series and they did that and if you want to really zone in on Saturday, they crushed liberator, the righties came up clutch because they had nine hits all combined.
09:34 --> 09:35 [SPEAKER_01]: And they took the series on Saturday.
09:37 --> 09:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Like listen to these numbers, right?
09:40 --> 09:47 [SPEAKER_00]: So they had eight hard hit balls alone against Matthew Libertor and three and a third innings.
09:47 --> 09:52 [SPEAKER_00]: They had an average exit velocity against Matthew Libertor of 96.6 miles an hour.
09:53 --> 09:57 [SPEAKER_00]: The average badded ball against him was a hard hit baseball.
09:57 --> 10:12 [SPEAKER_00]: It's hard to do for the best offenses in baseball, but this is a case where the Mariners came into this game with an OPS of about 540 against left handed pitching, which is about a 200 point gap from where they are against right handed pitching this season.
10:12 --> 10:19 [SPEAKER_01]: And keep in mind, that is a 540 OPS when you've gone up against redepers and Jacob Lopez as two of the left handed starters.
10:19 --> 10:20 [SPEAKER_01]: They've faced some good ones.
10:20 --> 10:22 [SPEAKER_01]: They've seen Gore twice.
10:22 --> 10:27 [SPEAKER_01]: They've seen a couple other guys.
10:27 --> 10:28 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's not an excuse for a $500.
10:28 --> 10:33 [SPEAKER_01]: No, of course not, because you're not facing Terriq school yet.
10:33 --> 10:34 [SPEAKER_01]: You're not facing Framber Valdez yet.
10:34 --> 10:36 [SPEAKER_01]: You're not facing Gerrit Crochet yet.
10:36 --> 10:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I know he's off to a bad start, but I don't think it'll last.
10:39 --> 10:41 [SPEAKER_01]: You're not facing the cream of the crop lefties yet.
10:41 --> 10:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I know you face Gore a couple of times, but when you're facing Libertor and Dettmers and Lopez, these are guys you got to jump on.
10:48 --> 10:57 [SPEAKER_01]: And when you sign a guy like Rob Refts Knight or in the off season, and you of your middle of the order, like Cal and Julio and Randy, who are structured in there
10:57 --> 10:59 [SPEAKER_01]: you can't run out of 500 OPS.
10:59 --> 11:01 [SPEAKER_01]: You're not going to win any baseball games against lefties doing that.
11:02 --> 11:09 [SPEAKER_01]: So to see them go up against Liverpool who, again, is a good left handed starter, but not dominant, and they went out and took it to him on Saturday.
11:09 --> 11:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, what a refreshing sign.
11:11 --> 11:15 [SPEAKER_00]: And they only swung and missed 19% of the time against him.
11:15 --> 11:18 [SPEAKER_00]: So they're not, he wasn't even able to dial in some of the strikeouts.
11:18 --> 11:20 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not the biggest strikeout pitcher in the world.
11:20 --> 11:24 [SPEAKER_00]: It hasn't really mattered for the Mariners, who they faced what kind of stuff they're throwing at them.
11:24 --> 11:30 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just been a big struggle, but it was essentially the complete opposite on Saturday and a sign of good things going forward.
11:30 --> 11:38 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think, while we saw a little bit more of that here on Sunday as well with some of the right handed hitters coming into this game and delivering the biggest hits of the game.
11:38 --> 11:42 [SPEAKER_01]: So do we want some of the numbers for the key righties in the last couple of weeks?
11:42 --> 11:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let's hear him.
11:43 --> 11:52 [SPEAKER_01]: So if we go through it, because we talked about obviously early on, this team's going to have trouble with lefties, and if they do not have the middle of their order, hit against the South Pause, it's going to be a world of hell.
11:53 --> 11:56 [SPEAKER_01]: You're not going to win many games against left-hand and pitching without those guys hitting.
11:57 --> 12:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Rob Reft Snyder now after Sunday's home run in his last seven games.
12:00 --> 12:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, small sample, but you wanna start to see the turn for Rob Reft Snyder, I think you're seeing it.
12:05 --> 12:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Cause in his last seven games, he's got a 961 OPS.
12:10 --> 12:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll take that.
12:11 --> 12:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Will you take that?
12:11 --> 12:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
12:12 --> 12:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I would hope most people would take that.
12:13 --> 12:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Because that is right in line with what Rob Reft Snyder's done against Lefty's most of his career.
12:18 --> 12:21 [SPEAKER_01]: At least the last five years or so when you talk about Reft Snyder against Lefty's.
12:22 --> 12:23 [SPEAKER_01]: It's what he's done.
12:24 --> 12:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Now you go to the middle of the order.
12:26 --> 12:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Cal Rally in the last three weeks, despite the slow start, now has an 833 OPS against left hand and pitching in the last three weeks.
12:33 --> 12:39 [SPEAKER_01]: If you extrapolate that sample size, again, I'm taking that, Julio Rodriguez, last three weeks against lefty.
12:39 --> 12:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you want to crank it up even more?
12:41 --> 12:45 [SPEAKER_01]: 1169 OPS, are you taking that from Julio?
12:45 --> 12:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope your answer is yes, and if your answer is no, I would say to go get yourself checked out, because Julio's OPS in 1170 and a stretch against lefties,
12:53 --> 12:56 [SPEAKER_01]: That means he's hitting like an MVP against South Pause.
12:56 --> 12:58 [SPEAKER_01]: And Randy arose a reign of the final guy in this equation.
12:59 --> 13:01 [SPEAKER_01]: This isn't even in a sample size.
13:01 --> 13:03 [SPEAKER_01]: This is just for the season against Lefty so far.
13:04 --> 13:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Randy is OPSing 1012 against Lefty's.
13:07 --> 13:10 [SPEAKER_01]: That is what you have to do if you want to beat Southpaz.
13:10 --> 13:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Refts and I just got to hit and your middle of the order's got to be locked in.
13:13 --> 13:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Right now over the last couple weeks are doing that.
13:15 --> 13:18 [SPEAKER_00]: And it helps some of the lefties are contributing too.
13:18 --> 13:22 [SPEAKER_00]: If I were to give you a guess over the last two weeks, who's the Mariners best hitter by WRC plus?
13:22 --> 13:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Who do you think it would be?
13:24 --> 13:25 [SPEAKER_01]: The best hitter total?
13:25 --> 13:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
13:27 --> 13:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, given what Cole Young's done against lefties of their him.
13:30 --> 13:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Cole Young is the eighth best hitter in that span.
13:33 --> 13:35 [SPEAKER_00]: But he has in two lefties.
13:35 --> 13:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Not this is in general.
13:37 --> 13:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, last two weeks against lefties.
13:40 --> 13:41 [SPEAKER_01]: No, it just total.
13:41 --> 13:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, total against lefties.
13:44 --> 13:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Because you're saying it's important for the right handers against the lefties to contribute, but it's not, but the lefties are included in this as well for overall offensive performance.
13:55 --> 14:01 [SPEAKER_01]: What lefties are even hitting lefties besides Coyoung is it, despite the injury, Brendan Donovan?
14:01 --> 14:07 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
14:08 --> 14:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, this is just their best hitter period in the last two weeks.
14:10 --> 14:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
14:10 --> 14:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Then is it Julio?
14:11 --> 14:11 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
14:12 --> 14:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Josh Nailer.
14:14 --> 14:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Great.
14:15 --> 14:15 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a good combination.
14:16 --> 14:17 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a very, very good combination.
14:17 --> 14:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Because then overall, you have hot left-handed hitters, paired with right-handers who are finding their way against the left-handed arms they're facing.
14:25 --> 14:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
14:26 --> 14:35 [SPEAKER_01]: And the only reason Naila was out here on Sunday is because he had a little bit of quad tightness they said, which is why you saw Connor Joe in there, but I'm guessing that's about a one day thing for Naila, maybe two.
14:36 --> 14:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Now I'm trying to split, I'm on fan graphs right now and I'm looking to try and like split.
14:41 --> 14:43 [SPEAKER_00]: versus lefties versus righties, but they don't.
14:43 --> 14:48 [SPEAKER_00]: They don't let you do a custom date range and right or left.
14:48 --> 14:50 [SPEAKER_00]: You have to go look at that individually.
14:51 --> 14:59 [SPEAKER_00]: So in that span, the same span I'm talking about, versus left handed pitchers, you're right, Cole Young is actually the second best against lefties.
14:59 --> 15:00 [SPEAKER_00]: What a revelation he's been.
15:00 --> 15:04 [SPEAKER_00]: It's got a 174 WRC plus against lefties alone in the last two weeks.
15:06 --> 15:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he has just been awesome.
15:08 --> 15:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I know we've talked about it plenty, but here we are a month into the year.
15:11 --> 15:13 [SPEAKER_01]: He has been the Mariners Best Player by War.
15:13 --> 15:18 [SPEAKER_01]: He's baseball's best defender by defensive run saved, and he's hitting lefties.
15:18 --> 15:21 [SPEAKER_01]: How many of those things did you have on your Bingo card one month ago?
15:21 --> 15:22 [SPEAKER_01]: And we love Cole Young.
15:22 --> 15:23 [SPEAKER_01]: This is Look Cole Young podcast.
15:23 --> 15:24 [SPEAKER_01]: We're Cole Young guys.
15:25 --> 15:36 [SPEAKER_01]: But would you believe me if I told you on opening day as we're walking through Soto as we're walking down Oxidental, ready to get ourselves ready for the start of the 2026 season as we're hanging out at Oxidental Hall with people?
15:37 --> 15:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Would you believe me if I told you a month ago today as we're recording this?
15:41 --> 15:46 [SPEAKER_01]: The coal young was the best eventor in baseball, was crushing lefties and was the Mariners Best Player by War.
15:48 --> 15:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Great job, front office.
15:49 --> 15:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank goodness he didn't trade him for Excel.
15:52 --> 15:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I tell him our tape, by the way.
15:53 --> 15:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, one month, but he has not been good.
15:55 --> 15:57 [SPEAKER_01]: He's got an OPS startin' with a six.
15:57 --> 15:59 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like six, 80, right now?
15:59 --> 15:59 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not great.
16:00 --> 16:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Then Cole Young's OPS right now was currently before today, because he stats up and updated his 740.
16:05 --> 16:08 [SPEAKER_00]: And it will go up, it'll probably be 750 or 760.
16:08 --> 16:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I believe it was a 17WRC plus the Cole Had entering Sunday, meaning Cole Young has been 17% better
16:17 --> 16:33 [SPEAKER_00]: So right now, if you're looking at Coyoung's 20-26 season, he is slashing 267-351-406 with a 121-WRC plus he is striking out about 23% of the time and walking 10% of the time with the best defense in Major League Baseball.
16:33 --> 16:34 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what that is right there?
16:35 --> 16:37 [SPEAKER_01]: A top five second basement and major league baseball.
16:37 --> 16:37 [SPEAKER_00]: It's funny.
16:37 --> 16:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Fan graphs only has them at point six war.
16:40 --> 16:43 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not even in the top 30 right now in value players.
16:44 --> 16:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Which baseball reference has them as the highest.
16:46 --> 16:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Which is why it's so funny to look at these two different sites with their war rankings because
16:55 --> 16:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Cole Young feels like he's more valuable than a point six right now.
16:58 --> 17:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it feels like right now, I'd be curious to see where he ranks on the team.
17:01 --> 17:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, because you were going position by position overall on where these who, who are on the, who like who on the mariners of the most valuable at every single position, essentially you're looking at or the top five most valuable.
17:14 --> 17:19 [SPEAKER_00]: So Cole Young right now, if you're looking at war, he's behind Randy and he's behind cow right now.
17:21 --> 17:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess.
17:21 --> 17:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that checks out.
17:23 --> 17:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Just off the Lion Vision and the I test.
17:25 --> 17:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like Cole's been more valuable through a month.
17:27 --> 17:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Because Randy's got, has been better offensively.
17:30 --> 17:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Not as good defensively.
17:31 --> 17:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Cal has not been good as, as good offensively, but he's a catcher so his war gets elevated a little bit more behind the plate.
17:39 --> 17:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Then there is Cole Young.
17:40 --> 17:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Cole Young right now is ahead of Brennan Donovan, ahead of Luke Rayleigh, ahead of Dom Canzone, weirdly in front of Julio.
17:49 --> 17:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Allio's a conversation we're going to have to get to in a different episode because I think there's a lot of layers to it.
17:54 --> 17:59 [SPEAKER_01]: He is hitting his defense right now by the metrics is not favoring him, which is odd.
18:00 --> 18:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, I think this should probably be a conversation for another episode because I think it's going to take some time.
18:04 --> 18:08 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's weird who Leo's defense right now is not favoring him.
18:08 --> 18:12 [SPEAKER_00]: The metrics don't really like who Leo this season, but I don't think he's not playing bad.
18:12 --> 18:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought his defense has been fine.
18:14 --> 18:17 [SPEAKER_00]: And not that you've noticed, but somebody's picking up something.
18:17 --> 18:20 [SPEAKER_00]: And we were talking to some some people here at the live show today.
18:20 --> 18:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Someone said to us, I think everyone on the team is running slower this year.
18:27 --> 18:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, huh.
18:29 --> 18:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I picked up on it, so I went and looked.
18:32 --> 18:42 [SPEAKER_00]: The team as a whole is running slower and most notably, your fastest guy, Julio, it's down almost a whole mile, a whole foot per second, which is odd, right?
18:42 --> 18:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it is still fast, but it's not as fast.
18:44 --> 18:45 [SPEAKER_01]: He's only 25.
18:45 --> 18:48 [SPEAKER_01]: He shouldn't be slowing up at 25 years old.
18:48 --> 18:48 [SPEAKER_01]: You wouldn't think.
18:49 --> 18:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I think this has a chance to still not.
18:52 --> 19:09 [SPEAKER_00]: excuse me, normalize over the course of the season, but it's an interesting fact to see regardless, this is all the praise in the world on Koliang who has managed to become spite not doing a ton of damage with his batty at a home run, speaking of on on Saturday, it's not doing the most damage with his bat, but he's still managing to be as productive as ever.
19:09 --> 19:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, the numbers you just spit out for Koliang and what he's done this year, overall, defensively offensively the whole package, that's a top five second basement in the sport.
19:19 --> 19:29 [SPEAKER_01]: If you close your eyes and say to yourself, you're going to have a second basement on your team, who's 20% above league averages a hitter and the best defender in the sport and the best defender in his position.
19:30 --> 19:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, you take that every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
19:33 --> 19:36 [SPEAKER_01]: If you were to close your eyes and I would have to give you those numbers.
19:36 --> 19:38 [SPEAKER_01]: You'd probably tell me that's Nico Horner.
19:38 --> 19:47 [SPEAKER_01]: If you were gonna say the best defender at second base is also the best defender in baseball right now and he's got a 120WRC plus and I'm gonna say name that player.
19:47 --> 19:48 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't know who it is, but here's the numbers.
19:49 --> 19:51 [SPEAKER_01]: You'd probably said to me, oh, that's Horner.
19:51 --> 19:51 [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's Koyang.
19:52 --> 19:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Koyang is up there with Pete Crowe Armstrong on defense.
19:55 --> 19:55 [SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy.
19:55 --> 20:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Pete Crowe Armstrong in a first full season in baseball last year put up what many people think was one of the best defensive centerfield seasons they have seen, especially in the modern era of defensive stat measuring.
20:09 --> 20:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Cole Young is tied with him on defense.
20:11 --> 20:12 [SPEAKER_00]: It's amazing.
20:13 --> 20:21 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's not even making all the, he's making flashy plays, but it's not like he's jump throwing in the hole, or he's diving over the wall and making these catches.
20:22 --> 20:24 [SPEAKER_00]: No, he's just essentially vacuuming everything.
20:24 --> 20:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's super weird.
20:26 --> 20:30 [SPEAKER_01]: So you're telling me that making jump throws actually doesn't automatically qualify you as an elite defender?
20:30 --> 20:31 [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, doesn't.
20:31 --> 20:32 [SPEAKER_01]: That's super weird.
20:32 --> 20:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought if you just make a jump throw going to your left that you're the best defender of all time.
20:36 --> 20:39 [SPEAKER_01]: In reality, if you actually look at the numbers, you're the worst.
20:39 --> 20:40 [SPEAKER_01]: No, it does not lie.
20:40 --> 20:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Funny how that works out because Cole Young actually, you know, gets to the balls that he's supposed to get to so he doesn't have to jump throw It's super weird.
20:47 --> 20:52 [SPEAKER_00]: How long is that a nice round number of 170 defensive runs saved above Derek Jeter right now?
20:53 --> 20:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Who would have thought?
20:54 --> 21:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Can Yankees fan-tattle that the answer is no Nope, they can't I want to well, I do there is one other player from Saturday's game I don't want to talk about cuz he had a big moment here on Sunday, but before that, let's pause for an end
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22:13 --> 22:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, the guy I need to highlight is the hero here on Sunday.
22:18 --> 22:20 [SPEAKER_00]: It's been an absolute grind for Rob Raff Snyder this season.
22:20 --> 22:26 [SPEAKER_00]: He has not been good frankly through
22:26 --> 22:28 [SPEAKER_00]: But Rob Raff Snyder had his moment.
22:28 --> 22:35 [SPEAKER_00]: He's inserted into the exact moment he's supposed to have for his role on the team here on Sunday against Joe Romero on the mound.
22:36 --> 22:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Raff Snyder is inserted to hit the game and he hits a go ahead home run on a hang slider.
22:43 --> 22:49 [SPEAKER_00]: he got the ABS to work in his favor too because the umpire called two strikes on him well outside the strike zone.
22:49 --> 22:54 [SPEAKER_00]: The first one he didn't even challenge and I was kind of surprised because the mayor didn't still have two challenges remaining.
22:54 --> 22:55 [SPEAKER_00]: He didn't challenge it.
22:55 --> 22:59 [SPEAKER_00]: And then he gets a hanging breaking ball to strikes and crushes it into the Cardinals bullpen.
22:59 --> 23:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Shout out to Justin Novak by the way who caught that ball for Rob Raff Snyder.
23:03 --> 23:04 [SPEAKER_00]: He's probably going to be pretty happy to have that one.
23:05 --> 23:12 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's almost full circle for Rob Raff Snyder who I think can use this as a launching point into the next season, into the next month of the season.
23:12 --> 23:16 [SPEAKER_01]: He would hope, I mean, there's guys that have tough April's all the time, and they just flush it.
23:16 --> 23:25 [SPEAKER_01]: There could be a real world where we look at ref Snyder's numbers from the middle of April through the end of the season, and he's doing exactly what he's done every single year.
23:26 --> 23:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Where you're going to say, okay, here's the two weeks where he really struggled over three weeks, and he really struggled early in the season, and then from Mary, hit the ground running.
23:33 --> 23:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Cause...
23:34 --> 23:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to be Frank, and I've been like this since the minute they signed him.
23:37 --> 23:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a Rob Raff Center believer.
23:39 --> 23:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I fully, fully believe he is not AJ Pollock.
23:42 --> 23:47 [SPEAKER_01]: He is not, if you want to use other examples of just veterans they brought in, he's not Colton Wong, he's not Tommy Listella.
23:48 --> 23:50 [SPEAKER_01]: This guy is going to help this team and he's going to make an impact.
23:50 --> 23:57 [SPEAKER_01]: And I know people are starting to get really antsy through three weeks, and I get it because he was really, really,
23:57 --> 23:59 [SPEAKER_01]: struggling to even get hit as we talked about.
23:59 --> 24:00 [SPEAKER_01]: But you know what?
24:00 --> 24:01 [SPEAKER_01]: You look at his last week.
24:02 --> 24:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And now you're starting to see the Rob Raff Snyder that you're supposed to see, who just does damage against left-handed pitching, even solid relievers like Jojo Romero with the back end of games.
24:11 --> 24:28 [SPEAKER_00]: and we're gonna hope the final five months of the season treats him a lot better because I really did hate making the AJ Pollock comparison when he signed, but like until he Homer today, it was really close because AJ Pollock the year before he came to the Mariners against lefties had a war.
24:28 --> 24:31 [SPEAKER_00]: A 161 WRC plus he comes to the Mariners.
24:31 --> 24:33 [SPEAKER_00]: He's a four WRC plus against lefties.
24:33 --> 24:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Rob Raff Snyder before today, this number is going to go way up at a 159 WRC plus against lefties last year at a 17 WRC plus against lefties this year.
24:41 --> 24:48 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just hard to beat the comparisons with the age, the amount where he came from, what his role is, but then Rob Raff Snyder does what he does today.
24:49 --> 24:50 [SPEAKER_00]: And I am back on the train.
24:51 --> 24:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Some guys just need a little time.
24:53 --> 24:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why Refts that are started flow.
24:54 --> 24:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if it was the cold weather.
24:56 --> 25:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if it was the bad speed, but Or it's just he's adjusting.
25:01 --> 25:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this is new for him.
25:02 --> 25:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I know this is a guy that has moved around a lot, but not everybody He can go to a new team, especially one as far away as Seattle in a different time zone and a different climate and Hit the ground running especially in a part-time role.
25:13 --> 25:14 [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't get to
25:15 --> 25:21 [SPEAKER_00]: be in the lineup every single day and work out his his kinks against whether it's a leftier righty on the mound.
25:22 --> 25:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe there's only two lefties the Mariners scene a week in Rob Reft Center's only playing twice in a given week and he's got to make the most of his opportunities.
25:32 --> 25:38 [SPEAKER_00]: It just is a little harder to find out that way, but in this in this case today and yesterday gets his opportunities and he takes care of it.
25:38 --> 25:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Look, that's what he's here to do.
25:39 --> 25:42 [SPEAKER_01]: A lefty comes into the game, especially late.
25:42 --> 25:47 [SPEAKER_01]: and you bring them in because that is his strength, that is his spot, and he capitalized on it on Sunday.
25:47 --> 25:52 [SPEAKER_01]: By the way, look at what happens when you bring Rob Ruffs that are in the ninth inning against the lefty.
25:53 --> 26:04 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a rumor perfect time perfect spot the right left on the mound the guy you want him in there for not you know in the fourth inning and then he has the face right He's later in the game know that and do that today.
26:04 --> 26:07 [SPEAKER_01]: They brought him in the ninth against the lefty and he does a job.
26:08 --> 26:12 [SPEAKER_00]: He crushed it and another thing about refsider I mean this is a whole season thing.
26:12 --> 26:14 [SPEAKER_00]: This isn't even just against lefties
26:15 --> 26:24 [SPEAKER_00]: You look at his pro, you look at his WRC plus right in his seven is his low entering today and you say okay clearly is overwhelmed clearly is overmatched.
26:25 --> 26:33 [SPEAKER_00]: He only has like a 21 22% strikeout rate and 11% walk rate in his role despite the fact he's not hitting.
26:33 --> 26:34 [SPEAKER_00]: The problem isn't as much.
26:35 --> 26:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, he's overwhelmed.
26:36 --> 26:37 [SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't making great contact.
26:38 --> 26:39 [SPEAKER_00]: He got a little unlucky on some bosses.
26:39 --> 26:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Babba's Babba was really low.
26:41 --> 26:47 [SPEAKER_00]: His quality of contact is about a hundred points lower than it should be based on his of exit velocity and launch angle.
26:47 --> 26:50 [SPEAKER_00]: So you think the numbers are going to get better.
26:50 --> 26:55 [SPEAKER_00]: And there's a chance Rob Raff Snyder because of this April isn't going to put up a 150 WRC plus against lefties.
26:55 --> 26:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Like he was advertised when he came to the Mariners.
26:59 --> 27:04 [SPEAKER_00]: But as long as he's not bad against Lefty's, then that's not gonna hurt the Mariners.
27:04 --> 27:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Like if he ends up with like a 115 against Lefty, sure it's not great.
27:08 --> 27:09 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's not bad.
27:09 --> 27:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't see why I can't be 120 to 130, and again, I'll be very interested to see what the numbers look like from May and on, or if you want to go from April 18th and on.
27:19 --> 27:22 [SPEAKER_01]: What Rob Reftsiders done against lefties in that time span?
27:22 --> 27:33 [SPEAKER_01]: When you take the first few weeks out of the season, because again, if you look from April 18th to the end of the year, I think there's a very good chance we see a 145 WRC plus hitting Rob Reftsider against lefties.
27:34 --> 27:35 [SPEAKER_01]: And then there's the first few weeks.
27:35 --> 27:37 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll bring it down a little bit because he started cold.
27:38 --> 27:45 [SPEAKER_01]: But to see what he's done over the last week, especially today, especially against Joe Joe Romero, late in the game when you're looking for a sweep on the road.
27:45 --> 27:46 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why he's here.
27:47 --> 27:49 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why you're paying him six and a half million dollars for that.
27:49 --> 27:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to blind reduce some stats of a different Mariners player against left-handed pitching.
27:53 --> 27:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to see if you can guess who it is.
27:55 --> 27:58 [SPEAKER_00]: This player is currently slashing 33, 412, 400.
28:00 --> 28:02 [SPEAKER_00]: He struck out three times.
28:02 --> 28:04 [SPEAKER_00]: He's walked, uh, he's walked twice.
28:05 --> 28:08 [SPEAKER_00]: He has won double in 15 at bats against lefties this season.
28:08 --> 28:10 [SPEAKER_00]: For a 140 WRC plus.
28:11 --> 28:12 [SPEAKER_01]: That's just somebody's really hit lefties.
28:13 --> 28:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm guessing this isn't Cole Young because we already talked about him.
28:17 --> 28:18 [SPEAKER_00]: This guy had a really good dance Saturday.
28:19 --> 28:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Cole Young had a really good day on Saturday.
28:21 --> 28:22 [SPEAKER_00]: So did everyone.
28:22 --> 28:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Cole Young, he hit a Homer and then he nearly hit a second.
28:26 --> 28:29 [SPEAKER_00]: But, oh, who's someone who nearly hit a Homerun?
28:30 --> 28:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Nearly?
28:31 --> 28:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Ah, you're talking about Mitch Garver, aren't you?
28:34 --> 28:35 [SPEAKER_00]: That is Mitch Garver.
28:35 --> 28:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Backup catcher, Mitch Garver.
28:37 --> 28:41 [SPEAKER_00]: This is the guy whose role last year was to hit lefties and that's kind of what he did.
28:41 --> 28:56 [SPEAKER_00]: His role is more niche to back up catcher this year, but it wasn't that long ago that the Mariners just relied on Mitch Garver to catch a couple times a week and hit right handers and they've kind of been using him a little bit more to do that and he has done it this year.
28:56 --> 29:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Like when they put him in the lineup, like they did on Sunday against Liverpool to Cal off his feet.
29:01 --> 29:06 [SPEAKER_01]: he's hit lefties and that's still going to be his primary role in the lineup when he plays.
29:06 --> 29:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think you're going to see Mitch Garver hit a ton against right-handed pitching.
29:10 --> 29:14 [SPEAKER_01]: When they get him his start days, I think it's going to be centered around facing a left-handed pitcher.
29:14 --> 29:16 [SPEAKER_00]: As long as he does this, though, these are going to be cows days off.
29:17 --> 29:22 [SPEAKER_00]: When they face a lefty cowl is going to be de-h and Mitch Garver is going to catch.
29:22 --> 29:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
29:22 --> 29:26 [SPEAKER_00]: There will be some days cowl gets full days off and ref center de-h is but in this case,
29:27 --> 29:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's good that Mitch Garver is getting the opportunities he deserves if he keeps hitting left in a pitching like this.
29:33 --> 29:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Like just here by here.
29:35 --> 29:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Mitch Garver has continued to hit lefties, 2022, 186 WRC plus 23, 173, 24, 125, 25, 107, this year 140, or 131 WRC plus first career.
29:48 --> 29:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Now there is a scenario like they deployed on Saturday where you can get all those guys in the lineup because CalDH, Garver caught, and Refts that are in right field.
29:57 --> 30:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Now you can have a different conversation on its own about Rob, Refts that are roaming right field on a regular basis.
30:03 --> 30:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And if your answer's no, I fully understand, but if you want to really try to maximize your offense against left-handed pitching, that's how you can do it.
30:11 --> 30:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, this is just what the Mariners are in a tough spot, because they don't have Victor Robless.
30:15 --> 30:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, yeah.
30:16 --> 30:18 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think Victor Robless will be back soon.
30:18 --> 30:20 [SPEAKER_00]: They've been, um,
30:21 --> 30:27 [SPEAKER_00]: So when we were there at the beginning of the last homestand, Justin Hollander said at that point, it was two weeks no throw for him.
30:28 --> 30:30 [SPEAKER_00]: So this was, what was this?
30:32 --> 30:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Just two, oh no, it was last Friday.
30:34 --> 30:41 [SPEAKER_00]: So as of last Friday was two weeks no throw still for Victor Robless, then he was gonna start stretching back out his arm.
30:41 --> 30:43 [SPEAKER_00]: before he goes and plays.
30:43 --> 30:45 [SPEAKER_01]: So now is this podcast is getting released.
30:45 --> 30:47 [SPEAKER_01]: It should be about a week and until Robles is throwing again.
30:47 --> 30:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully.
30:48 --> 30:53 [SPEAKER_01]: But I will say a few days prior, I will say this was on Tuesday.
30:53 --> 30:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we saw Robles take in full swings in batting practice and it looked plenty normal.
30:58 --> 31:02 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you want a little sign of progression on that side of it, it seems to be swinging the bat okay.
31:02 --> 31:05 [SPEAKER_01]: It's it's just going to be about throwing for him.
31:06 --> 31:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I think in summary with this the Mariners path to success against right handers the season is going to be what we saw this weekend.
31:13 --> 31:15 [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be all the stars performing.
31:15 --> 31:16 [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be Randy.
31:16 --> 31:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe Randy even most importantly given how he swung the bat this season.
31:19 --> 31:22 [SPEAKER_00]: And we've seen how the Mariners offense looks when he swings.
31:22 --> 31:23 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's going to be cal.
31:23 --> 31:24 [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be Julio.
31:24 --> 31:34 [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be rough signer and it could be Mitch Garver too, who takes some big at bats against good left handed starters when the mares are just at such a disadvantage with some of their other guys in the lineup.
31:34 --> 31:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Like the idea of Mitch Garver to some of you probably sounds bad because you've got
31:38 --> 31:45 [SPEAKER_00]: the visual of Mitch Garver in your head really struggling against all forms of pitchers while making $12 million.
31:45 --> 31:47 [SPEAKER_00]: But let me ask you this.
31:47 --> 31:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Would you rather have Luke Rayleigh against a lefty or Mitch Garver against a lefty?
31:50 --> 31:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Garver?
31:51 --> 31:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Would you rather have Dom Canzone against a lefty or Mitch Garver against a lefty?
31:56 --> 31:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Also Garver?
31:57 --> 31:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And again, this is by the numbers you guys.
31:59 --> 32:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I know just some of you have my sound a little crazy.
32:01 --> 32:08 [SPEAKER_00]: By the numbers, this is what the matchup says.
32:09 --> 32:20 [SPEAKER_01]: So this is interesting because Donovan is not really going to be out of the lineup against lefties, but he does have some very loud platoon sweats and does not hit left handed pitching particularly well where Garver does.
32:21 --> 32:22 [SPEAKER_00]: And the Mariners treat him like that.
32:23 --> 32:27 [SPEAKER_00]: He could move down in line up to the bottom part of the lineup when there's a lefty on them out.
32:27 --> 32:30 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a reason they put refs at her up at the lead off spot when there's a lefty on the mound.
32:30 --> 32:34 [SPEAKER_01]: They say get our best hitters as many at bats as possible.
32:34 --> 32:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And on the days that you have a lefty on the mound, Rob refs at her supposed to be one of your best hitters.
32:39 --> 32:43 [SPEAKER_01]: So get him ahead of Cal ahead of Julio and set the table and don't even hit sixth.
32:44 --> 32:46 [SPEAKER_00]: So as a fun sweep this weekend, the twins are playing really well.
32:46 --> 32:48 [SPEAKER_00]: What's a record right now?
32:48 --> 32:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the twins have been playing way over expectation this weekend.
32:53 --> 32:58 [SPEAKER_00]: You, so we said going into this road trip, we want the Mariners to win four out of the six games.
32:58 --> 33:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Preferably five, but now I mean, I feel like you should want the Mariners to go five of six on this road.
33:03 --> 33:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, that's what I said originally.
33:05 --> 33:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And now that you swept the Cardinals, man, against a twins team that despite playing at a record that's probably better than who they are,
33:12 --> 33:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, they're one and nine in the last 10.
33:14 --> 33:16 [SPEAKER_00]: So they've come back to Earth.
33:16 --> 33:18 [SPEAKER_01]: So never mind, they're 12 and 16.
33:18 --> 33:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Now the Mariners tomorrow, or here on Monday as this podcast comes out, are gonna see Connor Prelep, who is the weakest link in their rotation.
33:25 --> 33:26 [SPEAKER_01]: He's made one career start.
33:27 --> 33:28 [SPEAKER_01]: However, he is a lefty.
33:28 --> 33:38 [SPEAKER_01]: So for everything we've just talked about on this episode, we're gonna need to see it repeated on Monday because you're gonna see all those same hitters in the lineup against Prelep, who is not experienced.
33:38 --> 33:41 [SPEAKER_01]: There's not of a lot of big league time.
33:42 --> 33:44 [SPEAKER_01]: and you hope these right-hand abats can just get to them.
33:44 --> 33:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Because for a look, for a Mariners team that is very left-handed heavy, we have seen that they can deploy a lineup that can work, but everything has to click, and every piece has to be in place.
33:55 --> 33:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And when it is, like it was on Saturday, you can have some success.
34:00 --> 34:02 [SPEAKER_00]: What did you think of all the moves on Saturday, Lyle?
34:07 --> 34:11 [SPEAKER_00]: You said all the pieces have to click, they did all click on Saturday.
34:12 --> 34:38 [SPEAKER_01]: they won the game they did what they did win the game uh... i was absolutely not a fan in any way whatsoever seen leo revoz drop down a bun followed by a conner joe pinch hit it back because before everything actually unfolded i said it myself oh so this is too out say we were from no outs to two outs without snapping your finger just by snapping your fingers now credit to conner joe another right handed back he came up very very clutch and helped the mariners retide that game i didn't see that coming
34:39 --> 34:43 [SPEAKER_00]: But did I shout out to Connor Joe, by the way, two big hits this week.
34:44 --> 34:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Saturday and Sunday.
34:46 --> 34:54 [SPEAKER_01]: So the moves itself to me felt a lot of a lot like things were just getting thrown again through the wall because they used everybody.
34:54 --> 35:01 [SPEAKER_01]: You emptied your entire bench, but when the players play to their strength, when the players play well,
35:01 --> 35:03 [SPEAKER_01]: the moves can get negated, right?
35:03 --> 35:05 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not the end of the world.
35:05 --> 35:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, the point of making a move is to make it to cause action.
35:10 --> 35:13 [SPEAKER_00]: You're trying to cause action, and Saturday was the definition of action.
35:13 --> 35:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, everyone in your lineup has a hit.
35:15 --> 35:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, I don't think that strategy is gonna work on a regular basis, just emptying out your whole bench like that and helping everybody just come through because it doesn't usually go that way.
35:25 --> 35:27 [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm glad on Saturday at work.
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36:59 --> 37:00 [SPEAKER_01]: That will be a tough matchup.
37:01 --> 37:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And then in the final game against the twins, they will get as we sit here talking about it.
37:07 --> 37:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm doing a really good job stalling here.
37:08 --> 37:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I know this is a a level podcasting, but the Mariners will face- Oh no, they get tough.
37:13 --> 37:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Tosh, Tosh, Bradley.
37:14 --> 37:18 [SPEAKER_01]: So it is not going to be the smoothest sliding in the world for the Mariners in this series.
37:18 --> 37:22 [SPEAKER_01]: They can go win it, but you got to beat a lefty and then you get Joe Ryan and Tosh Bradley.
37:22 --> 37:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Who have really good stuff?
37:23 --> 37:25 [SPEAKER_01]: And Bradley's been very good this year.
37:26 --> 37:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about this guy, Katie, Anderson,
37:28 --> 37:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Holy smokes, you know, and you draft someone number three.
37:32 --> 37:35 [SPEAKER_00]: You want them to be able to adapt to the minor leagues quickly.
37:36 --> 37:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Let me know if this sounds like adapting to the minor leagues for you.
37:39 --> 37:43 [SPEAKER_00]: 048 ERA through four starts, 18 and 2 thirds innings.
37:44 --> 37:48 [SPEAKER_00]: He is a 57% ground ball rate.
37:48 --> 37:52 [SPEAKER_00]: He has struck out 30 batters and he's walked four.
37:52 --> 37:57 [SPEAKER_00]: That comes out to a 44% strikeout rate to a 6% walk rate.
37:58 --> 38:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Does that sound good?
38:00 --> 38:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Ah, Max Freed.
38:01 --> 38:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, he might be Max Freed already.
38:05 --> 38:07 [SPEAKER_00]: He might not even need development to get there.
38:07 --> 38:09 [SPEAKER_00]: He might just already be Max Freed.
38:09 --> 38:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you try to pump the brakes a little bit right because you know he's only made four professional starts.
38:16 --> 38:19 [SPEAKER_01]: And you know he hasn't had that much time in the minors.
38:20 --> 38:28 [SPEAKER_01]: and you don't want to like overshoot expectations for a guy who's so, so newly minted into professional baseball.
38:28 --> 38:32 [SPEAKER_01]: But how do you not just jump out of your seat, watching this guy, he's been dominant.
38:33 --> 38:39 [SPEAKER_01]: For a fastball that people question a little bit in spring training and said to themselves, okay, how much is this pitch gonna play up?
38:39 --> 38:42 [SPEAKER_01]: How much is it gonna really be a swing and miss pitch?
38:42 --> 38:43 [SPEAKER_01]: How much effect is it gonna have?
38:43 --> 38:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Because he's only throwing it 94, I think it's not seeming to affect anything right now, it's dominant.
38:50 --> 38:51 [SPEAKER_00]: He has been awesome.
38:52 --> 38:58 [SPEAKER_00]: He is doing things much, he's performing much better than we would have thought this year.
38:58 --> 39:02 [SPEAKER_00]: And this makes the conversation later this season more complicated.
39:03 --> 39:05 [SPEAKER_00]: What he's shown us right now through four starts.
39:05 --> 39:06 [SPEAKER_00]: There's still plenty of time.
39:06 --> 39:10 [SPEAKER_00]: He could have some clunkers, some bad starts, and his stats could normalize.
39:10 --> 39:14 [SPEAKER_00]: But if we hypothetically say, this is what Kate Anderson is in AA.
39:15 --> 39:16 [SPEAKER_00]: He's already too good for AA.
39:17 --> 39:20 [SPEAKER_00]: He does not need to throw another pitch in AA if this is the case.
39:21 --> 39:22 [SPEAKER_00]: What do you do?
39:23 --> 39:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Because do you put him in AAA where it's the least picture-friendly environment possible and I don't think does any favors to Kate Anderson's development?
39:32 --> 39:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Let me stop you right there.
39:33 --> 39:34 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
39:34 --> 39:36 [SPEAKER_00]: He will not be pitching in AAA as my guess.
39:37 --> 39:42 [SPEAKER_00]: So if he's not being challenged in AA, are you putting him in the big leagues?
39:42 --> 39:42 [SPEAKER_00]: What?
39:42 --> 39:43 [SPEAKER_00]: So we can throw out of the bullpen?
39:45 --> 39:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Are we talking right now?
39:46 --> 39:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Are we talking in May?
39:47 --> 39:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Are we talking all star-brain?
39:48 --> 39:50 [SPEAKER_00]: But say end of May, this is what a stats look like.
39:50 --> 39:55 [SPEAKER_00]: 40% strikeout rate, 6% walk rate and era of let's say like one two or lower.
39:56 --> 39:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Like what do you do?
39:57 --> 40:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean that's like eight starts of a guy that's already as polished as can be coming out of an SEC school that absolutely anchored as team to a national championship.
40:07 --> 40:22 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you do because rice millers are also going to be backed by that point and I'll say it for the million time Emerson Hancock cannot be yanked out of this rotation Because a storyline that we didn't even have time to talk about here on this podcast He was great again on Sunday.
40:22 --> 40:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he gave up to solo homers, but again Emerson Hancock absolutely delivered his ERA is in the twos were here at the end of April.
40:30 --> 40:31 [SPEAKER_01]: He's not going anywhere
40:32 --> 40:38 [SPEAKER_00]: So, right, so just keep him in double eight or I think you just sent him to AAA.
40:39 --> 40:45 [SPEAKER_01]: But to your point, we were talking about this pre-recording and you just said it a minute ago, what does that do?
40:45 --> 40:56 [SPEAKER_01]: He goes from dominating in AA to having from having all the confidence in the world to you're going to put him in that bamboo box of a ballpark and let him give up some rinky-dink flyball home runs.
40:56 --> 40:57 [SPEAKER_01]: It could get him pissed off.
40:57 --> 40:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Is he alright?
40:57 --> 41:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Could be sitting in the high
41:01 --> 41:08 [SPEAKER_00]: It does better than him not getting challenged in AA or sitting in a mayor's bullpen, not in the role they want him to be in.
41:09 --> 41:13 [SPEAKER_00]: What is pitching in the bullpen in June does no favors to his development?
41:14 --> 41:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I would just say this.
41:16 --> 41:23 [SPEAKER_01]: The trend the Mariners have been on with their blue chip starters would not suggest Kate Anderson's going to pitch in double-eye.
41:23 --> 41:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Logan Gilbert threw one start ever in Triple-eye before getting called to the big leagues.
41:27 --> 41:29 [SPEAKER_01]: George Kirby never threw a start in Triple-eye.
41:30 --> 41:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Bryce Miller never threw a start in Triple-eye.
41:32 --> 41:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Brian Wu never threw a start in Triple-eye.
41:34 --> 41:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't really line up that Kate Anderson would go pitch into coma.
41:37 --> 41:40 [SPEAKER_00]: But Kate Anderson is also doing something these guys have never done before.
41:41 --> 41:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Where he's quite literally just too good for the minor leagues, and there's no room for him in the rotation.
41:46 --> 41:49 [SPEAKER_00]: What is the common occurrence with those four guys you mentioned before?
41:49 --> 41:52 [SPEAKER_00]: There's always a spot in the rotation forum.
41:52 --> 41:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because it wasn't as filled out back then as it is now.
41:56 --> 42:02 [SPEAKER_01]: And if you want to compare the numbers between these guys in the minors, it is pretty fascinating because to your point about being just too good for the minors.
42:03 --> 42:05 [SPEAKER_01]: you wanted to dig through this.
42:05 --> 42:05 [SPEAKER_01]: So we did.
42:05 --> 42:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Logan Gilbert's first four starts ever in minor league baseball.
42:09 --> 42:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Look like this.
42:10 --> 42:13 [SPEAKER_01]: He had an 053 ERA in 17 innings pitch.
42:13 --> 42:14 [SPEAKER_01]: That was his first four starts.
42:14 --> 42:15 [SPEAKER_01]: He walked four.
42:15 --> 42:16 [SPEAKER_01]: He struck out 28.
42:16 --> 42:17 [SPEAKER_00]: That's really good.
42:17 --> 42:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Those look like Kate Anderson's numbers.
42:19 --> 42:20 [SPEAKER_01]: That was in low A West Virginia.
42:21 --> 42:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Big difference.
42:23 --> 42:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Low A West Virginia, a team that does not even exist anymore for Logan Gilbert.
42:27 --> 42:29 [SPEAKER_01]: George Kirby's first four starts in the minor leagues.
42:30 --> 42:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Also video game numbers.
42:31 --> 42:41 [SPEAKER_01]: He had an O90 ERA, 10 innings pitch, because he threw some innings coming right out at you on that year, and they were just giving them two, three innings spurts in short samples.
42:41 --> 42:44 [SPEAKER_01]: 10 innings, O90 ERA, no walks, seven strikeout.
42:44 --> 42:46 [SPEAKER_01]: His first four starts were awesome.
42:46 --> 42:55 [SPEAKER_01]: in short season ever it ever does not short season team any more no there are different level short season baseball doesn't even exist that's lower than low West Virginia right
42:57 --> 43:04 [SPEAKER_01]: You could look at a guy that really fast-track to the Big League last year for a different team and try a Savage who pitched against the Mariners in the ALCS, pitched in the world series.
43:05 --> 43:12 [SPEAKER_01]: He hit every level of minor league baseball last year or every level of baseball, low-way, high-a, double-a, triple-a, majors, all in one season.
43:12 --> 43:22 [SPEAKER_01]: You savages first four starts, 3-12 VRA, 17 and a third innings pitched, 8 walks, 28 strikeouts across his first four ever starts.
43:21 --> 43:23 [SPEAKER_01]: in low A to needon.
43:23 --> 43:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Low A for traia savagia 3ERA.
43:26 --> 43:29 [SPEAKER_01]: K to Anderson has an O 48ERA in double A.
43:30 --> 43:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Facing the best prospects in baseball and guys who have matured and proven themselves in the minors to at least be very talented and old.
43:39 --> 43:42 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's going out 30's making it look way, way, way, way too easy.
43:43 --> 43:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Dude, I don't know what you do a month from now.
43:45 --> 43:46 [SPEAKER_01]: If it looks like this again.
43:48 --> 43:56 [SPEAKER_00]: At least Ryan Sloan now has all the runway in the world to develop because it's like if the Mariners need a minor league pitcher to come up and throw they have them.
43:56 --> 43:56 [SPEAKER_00]: He's ready.
43:56 --> 44:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Ryan Sloan take all the time you need because he's 20 and they're and they're pushing him hard.
44:02 --> 44:07 [SPEAKER_01]: They should because he's ready for it, but that doesn't mean he might not need a little extra development type right.
44:07 --> 44:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Kate Anderson man, but it's not like the Mariners are the Mariners are in a hypothetical emergency situation and they need to start her and Kate is like a four and a half year
44:18 --> 44:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, Ryan Sloan's got a 29.
44:20 --> 44:21 [SPEAKER_00]: He just hasn't thrown his much.
44:22 --> 44:23 [SPEAKER_00]: He's just a lot younger.
44:23 --> 44:27 [SPEAKER_00]: But no, I mean, Katie Anderson is just overwhelming hitters in AA.
44:27 --> 44:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, yeah, this is pretty easy.
44:30 --> 44:34 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to let's have some fun with this because I want to play out the situation.
44:34 --> 44:36 [SPEAKER_01]: All six starters are healthy.
44:36 --> 44:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Or all seven starters are healthy and Cates throw in like this in June.
44:41 --> 44:42 [SPEAKER_01]: And by seven, I'm including Cade.
44:43 --> 44:44 [SPEAKER_01]: How do you maneuver this?
44:45 --> 44:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to say again that
44:47 --> 44:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll preface it by saying baseball has a way of often working itself out with these things that sometimes injuries pop up or sometimes opportunities arise, but let's just say all seven guys are healthy.
44:58 --> 45:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I really don't know how Luis Castillo isn't going to be fan of my health at this point unless they're really moving him into the bullpen in May or June, which I feel like would be a little premature and early.
45:07 --> 45:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it happens that early on in the year.
45:11 --> 45:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they're four guarantees in that spot.
45:14 --> 45:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Curving?
45:15 --> 45:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Curving, Bryce, Brian.
45:16 --> 45:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, woo, Miller, Gilbert, Kirby.
45:20 --> 45:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, those four.
45:21 --> 45:22 [SPEAKER_01]: So then it becomes about the other three.
45:24 --> 45:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't, or no, other three.
45:26 --> 45:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, three.
45:27 --> 45:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Good enough.
45:28 --> 45:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you learn that in class?
45:29 --> 45:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Nope.
45:30 --> 45:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, maybe not.
45:31 --> 45:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, maybe in kindergarten.
45:33 --> 45:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, I don't know how Amazon goes anywhere at this point.
45:38 --> 45:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I really don't.
45:40 --> 45:47 [SPEAKER_00]: But in this scenario, it's like, man, it's tough.
45:47 --> 45:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm with you.
45:48 --> 45:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd rather him start.
45:49 --> 45:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Luis is the odd man out here, right?
45:52 --> 45:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
45:52 --> 45:57 [SPEAKER_01]: If things do not massively turn around for Luis Castillo, I don't know how he's not the odd man out.
45:58 --> 46:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Then that leaves Emerson Hancock and Kate Anderson.
46:01 --> 46:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
46:02 --> 46:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they start, I would say they could start piggybacking each other, but Emerson doesn't need a piggyback.
46:07 --> 46:08 [SPEAKER_01]: He's been going six endings every time out.
46:08 --> 46:14 [SPEAKER_00]: No, but this would probably be the point where Emerson, we're Kate Anderson at the end of the season needs his endings to be capped a little bit.
46:15 --> 46:19 [SPEAKER_00]: That's where he would be in the bullpen down the stretch, but the thing
46:20 --> 46:32 [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't benefit Kate Anderson to be in the bullpen any time besides September because September is when we would see Kate's innings come down a little bit and him being load-managed because he's throwing his first full professional season.
46:34 --> 46:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Can you wait like if Kate Anderson is dominating the minor leagues for five months that still might be more beneficial than him coming up and not getting stretched out in the Mariners bullpen.
46:45 --> 46:48 [SPEAKER_01]: So you think, unless there's an opportunity, he may just sit and double-eye.
46:48 --> 46:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
46:49 --> 46:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Or triple-eye?
46:50 --> 46:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Because again, yes, is it fair?
46:52 --> 46:52 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
46:52 --> 46:59 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not fair for Kate Anderson to go there and play against playing unfair run scoring environments that just truly are not.
47:00 --> 47:01 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not catered for pitchers.
47:01 --> 47:05 [SPEAKER_00]: However, he is facing former big leagueers, right?
47:05 --> 47:05 [SPEAKER_00]: True.
47:05 --> 47:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, double-eye has prospects.
47:08 --> 47:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Triple A has big legers and so if you really want to get tested that is where he's going to get tested He's going to face the likes of guys as talented as Cole-Temerson, but he will face veterans like Is Mike Ford still in Triple A?
47:23 --> 47:33 [SPEAKER_00]: guys like Mike Ford, who play in the big leagues at through sports can be big league quality players, but from the most part will play in either AAA or they'll play overseas.
47:33 --> 47:41 [SPEAKER_00]: But that's the quality of hitter you don't really get in AA, where you're really going to have to be on point with your breaking balls otherwise they're going to hit it over the fence.
47:41 --> 47:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Like if you hang a fastball on the outside corner and you get a good fastball hitting enter, it's going over the fence.
47:46 --> 47:49 [SPEAKER_00]: If you hang the breaking ball at the top of the strike zone, it's going over the wall.
47:49 --> 47:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you can
47:53 --> 47:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, they always say hi to AA, it's the biggest jump, right?
47:56 --> 47:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Or in Cates case SEC to AA?
47:58 --> 48:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Clearly not a big enough jump.
48:00 --> 48:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess.
48:01 --> 48:05 [SPEAKER_01]: But I honestly wonder if there's a world where he's not even challenged in AAA.
48:06 --> 48:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Could be, but just the fact he's giving up more runs, maybe he'll be a good test for him.
48:12 --> 48:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Like honestly, the big leagues aren't going to be a cakewalk.
48:15 --> 48:19 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not going to have a point six ERA when he comes up in pitches for the Mariners.
48:19 --> 48:22 [SPEAKER_00]: His ERA best case scenario will probably be about three.
48:22 --> 48:29 [SPEAKER_00]: He's going to need to get used to facing players of that quality and giving up that many runs and just realize, yeah, that's all right.
48:29 --> 48:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, best case scenario again, if we're throwing max free out there, can't he be mid to high twos in a good year in a really good year, but over his career, it'll probably be about three at his peak.
48:39 --> 48:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that's the end of the world forum.
48:41 --> 48:46 [SPEAKER_00]: If this is how he's going to treat AA, I don't see any other option for him if there's no room in the Mariners rotation.
48:46 --> 48:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Because as you said, if you're not unceding Emerson Hancock and you're not
48:51 --> 48:52 [SPEAKER_00]: in the other four healthy.
48:52 --> 48:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't see how he has a case to be over those guys because that's what you pitch any of those guys in double as well.
48:58 --> 48:59 [SPEAKER_00]: The other teams not scoring.
48:59 --> 49:01 [SPEAKER_00]: We see him price miller and ever it isn't pretty good.
49:02 --> 49:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he dominated his rehab outing.
49:04 --> 49:04 [SPEAKER_00]: He's crying.
49:04 --> 49:09 [SPEAKER_00]: He's throwing upper 90s and he like it's pros against and almost amateur is that point.
49:09 --> 49:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
49:10 --> 49:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'll throw one last really crazy scenario out there just because we're sitting here talking about it.
49:16 --> 49:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you dare trade one of them?
49:18 --> 49:19 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
49:19 --> 49:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Probably not, right?
49:21 --> 49:23 [SPEAKER_00]: And that would be a bad process.
49:23 --> 49:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Terrible process.
49:26 --> 49:27 [SPEAKER_01]: You can do it right now.
49:28 --> 49:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm talking about, I'm talking about the deadline.
49:30 --> 49:31 [SPEAKER_01]: But, okay, sure.
49:31 --> 49:31 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
49:33 --> 49:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
49:33 --> 49:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Probably not.
49:34 --> 49:35 [SPEAKER_01]: But that's how it goes.
49:35 --> 49:37 [SPEAKER_00]: How would you get subsequent value back for those guys?
49:37 --> 49:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, by trading one of those arms, what I'm suggesting is you're getting a needle moving back.
49:47 --> 49:50 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a fair point because if you're a contending team, you're probably not giving up said that.
49:50 --> 49:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Like you might be a, if you're like a team that's on its way down, but you want controllable young pitching, sure.
49:56 --> 50:01 [SPEAKER_00]: But if your example, you're trading someone in the rotation, that's not controllable young pitching.
50:01 --> 50:05 [SPEAKER_00]: That's great current starting pitching, who's getting expensive.
50:05 --> 50:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
50:06 --> 50:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't want to go point.
50:07 --> 50:11 [SPEAKER_00]: That's why the Mariners haven't traded these guys, Slaw, because you can't get subsequent value.
50:11 --> 50:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Otherwise, wouldn't have they traded, Logan or George, if they couldn't sign them to an extension.
50:15 --> 50:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Or we talked about a couple of years ago about an Orioles' trade, a young arm for a young bat, and clearly they didn't want to get the value back that they wanted back, because the Orioles were either really, really rigid about what they'd give up, or the Mariners were really rigid, or both, and it never came to a deal.
50:34 --> 50:41 [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, again, I'm throwing this scenario out there because I feel like it's a good podcast or it makes for interesting conversation.
50:41 --> 50:43 [SPEAKER_01]: But would I actually trade one of them?
50:43 --> 50:45 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I just wanted to throw the idea out.
50:45 --> 50:49 [SPEAKER_01]: There are maybe it sparks thoughts from people listening or from you or from anybody.
50:50 --> 50:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I would not trade them, but just thought provoking idea.
50:52 --> 50:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you guys can let us know down in the comments below.
50:54 --> 51:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, my thought process with this, especially because the Mariners don't have their bullpen fleshed out, they were going to end a reply off series right now.
51:01 --> 51:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I would not feel confident in the Mariners bullpen, especially in a seven game series to have enough depth to consistently put a team away.
51:08 --> 51:15 [SPEAKER_00]: That is where the, the, the, the, the, the, the lack of arms comes into play and you get, you could put those guys into the bullpen.
51:16 --> 51:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, and that's where not just Cade would come into play, but that's where Ryan Sloan actually could also come into play too.
51:21 --> 51:23 [SPEAKER_00]: And the guys currently in the rotation.
51:23 --> 51:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
51:23 --> 51:35 [SPEAKER_01]: So again, if you're sure thing bullpen arms in September or in the play ox are
51:35 --> 51:41 [SPEAKER_01]: But you get an extra roster spot because one starter would be left off the roster, so you have four starters.
51:41 --> 51:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's say Luis has left off the roster and then the rest are bullpen arms.
51:45 --> 51:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Then in that scenario.
51:47 --> 51:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Pick your poison between Emerson or Bryce.
51:49 --> 51:50 [SPEAKER_01]: One of them goes to the bullpen.
51:50 --> 51:51 [SPEAKER_01]: That makes it six guys.
51:52 --> 51:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And if you need three more, one could be cade, one could be Sloan, and pick one other.
51:59 --> 52:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully they go acquire somebody at the deadline.
52:01 --> 52:03 [SPEAKER_01]: And you have one more lever, John, back there.
52:03 --> 52:04 [SPEAKER_01]: That's all the sudden.
52:04 --> 52:06 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a bullpen of absolute dogs.
52:06 --> 52:10 [SPEAKER_00]: It's good problem to have, but I can't see them trading anybody.
52:10 --> 52:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think trading pitchers off of this roster is a successful strategy for 2026.
52:16 --> 52:21 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a good problem to have, and I hope they solve it here at some point, or it gets solved for them.
52:22 --> 52:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Though unfortunately, that might just come via injury, but the best case scenario is no one gets hurt and the man who's just have a stock pile of arms for the season that they can use whenever they need.
52:32 --> 52:32 [SPEAKER_01]: love it.
52:32 --> 52:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope so, man.
52:34 --> 52:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I was just amazed though.
52:35 --> 52:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I really didn't think that Kate Anderson could get any better and then he did way did on Saturday and on Friday because he also, by the way, this, the start got shortened because it was, there's a rain delay and he got taken out of the game.
52:48 --> 52:51 [SPEAKER_00]: He could have kept going and thrown even more and struck out more batters.
52:51 --> 52:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
52:52 --> 53:04 [SPEAKER_00]: he is something the Mariners got to be thinking they're lucky stars they got their number that number three pick and they also got to think they're lucky stars for the Los Angeles Angels thank you Angel thank you Angel I mean
53:05 --> 53:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And honestly, thank you, Nationals, too.
53:07 --> 53:13 [SPEAKER_01]: When we saw Eli Willet's go one last summer, we're like, oh my God, we're one Angel's disaster class away from the steel of a lifetime.
53:14 --> 53:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And then Brebner goes to, and we're like, you got to be kidding.
53:16 --> 53:19 [SPEAKER_01]: They are going to run that pick to the podium as fast as they can.
53:19 --> 53:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And they did with Kate Anderson.
53:22 --> 53:22 [SPEAKER_00]: So fun.
53:22 --> 53:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad to see Kate succeeding.
53:24 --> 53:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't see if he can lower his ERA's next start.
53:28 --> 53:28 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what?
53:29 --> 53:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I won't put a pass him at this point.
53:30 --> 53:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Shout out to Kate Anderson.
53:31 --> 53:33 [SPEAKER_00]: And shout out to all the wonderful people here at Moss Bay Hall.
53:33 --> 53:35 [SPEAKER_00]: This has been a fantastic fun event today.
53:36 --> 53:44 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're listening to this and you're in the Seattle area, even if you can't make it to more than one of these, recommend going to our social media channels at Marine Lairpot.
53:44 --> 53:45 [SPEAKER_00]: It's pinned on there.
53:46 --> 53:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Take a look at the schedule.
53:48 --> 53:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Try and find some time to make it out to one of these events.
53:51 --> 53:52 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a lot of fun.
53:52 --> 53:59 [SPEAKER_00]: You'll get to converse with Mariners fans, eat some great food, drink some fantastic Corona beverages, which I'll run through all the options that you have for you again.
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54:09 --> 54:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Great event to come to.
54:10 --> 54:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Had a blast here at Moss Bay Hall today.
54:12 --> 54:14 [SPEAKER_00]: And look forward to the next one.
54:14 --> 54:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let's go and go abs, baby, you know what, that's a sweep and they need it a sweep.
54:21 --> 54:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's go, let's go find a way to go five or six on this road trip.
54:24 --> 54:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let's do it.
54:24 --> 54:28 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, that's just about wraps up this edition of the Marine Lair podcast.
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