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00:00 --> 00:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to episode number 411 of the Marine Lairer podcast.
00:03 --> 00:12 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll react to the Mariners winning their 8th game in a row here on Tuesday night and we'll also update you on the Mariners minor leagues going around and evaluating the Mariners top prospects.
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01:06 --> 01:10 [SPEAKER_02]: And we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Lair podcast part of the just baseball podcast network.
01:11 --> 01:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Recording here on Tuesday evening, June 2nd, just like we all expected, the Mariners were going to win eight games in a row.
01:21 --> 01:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me twist that a bit.
01:23 --> 01:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Just like we all expected, the New York Mets are feeble.
01:29 --> 01:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Can Frank even get up for these games?
01:31 --> 01:34 [SPEAKER_01]: No, did you see his reaction on Monday night?
01:35 --> 01:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the Met's have already kicked all the life out of him.
01:38 --> 01:45 [SPEAKER_01]: He didn't, I tweeted it out on our podcast account because we've been shooting out all his reactions after this series.
01:45 --> 01:47 [SPEAKER_01]: And I said, that's like a C-minus, Frank.
01:48 --> 01:49 [SPEAKER_01]: You didn't bring your fastball on that.
01:50 --> 01:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's already June and the Met's have already taken all the life out of him.
01:54 --> 01:59 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just the nightmare combination, the Mets have all these injuries, they don't hit.
02:00 --> 02:03 [SPEAKER_02]: They're not definitely not one of the more exciting teams in baseball to watch.
02:03 --> 02:15 [SPEAKER_02]: They're playing on the the the West Coast for Frank, that's a 940 PM first pitch and he's just like exhausted watching his games, he's like, I can't do it.
02:16 --> 02:19 [SPEAKER_02]: The Mets, Mark Viento, Brett Bady, they've already knocked it all out of me.
02:21 --> 02:22 [SPEAKER_01]: All of them.
02:22 --> 02:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Boba shit, is he calls him?
02:26 --> 02:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Let me give my take on the mats.
02:28 --> 02:34 [SPEAKER_02]: As we've seen them now for two games, how in the world does that team have a $300 million payroll?
02:35 --> 02:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, like there are a lot of them.
02:36 --> 02:36 [SPEAKER_02]: I know they're injured.
02:38 --> 02:41 [SPEAKER_02]: It just doesn't make much sense when you look at the mats.
02:41 --> 02:49 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, all right, I mean, they've spent a little bit less than the Dodgers, and yet they ran out two openers.
02:50 --> 02:57 [SPEAKER_02]: to bulk, to bulk arms out of the bullpen, and then line up that's pretty much unrecognizable.
02:59 --> 03:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, that's pretty tough.
03:02 --> 03:04 [SPEAKER_01]: You're running out openers when you have a payroll like that.
03:04 --> 03:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, though, so many of those guys are hurt that I just don't think that it's almost even fair to watch this team,
03:14 --> 03:34 [SPEAKER_01]: and say like and say this is who the mats are look i know it's been a really rough stretch for them but they essentially have not had that lineup fully healthy all year no the lineup when it's actually been healthy i think they played about ten games together and when they're healthy they're actually good when you have lendor and polo and release robber they don't have any of those guys
03:35 --> 03:41 [SPEAKER_02]: and they were good when they had all those guys early in the season, but they really haven't had them all at all.
03:42 --> 03:42 [SPEAKER_02]: No.
03:42 --> 03:58 [SPEAKER_02]: But to the earners benefit, because you play team that bad, and we looked at the match, it's like, all right, this is going to be the start of a super easy stretch for the Mariners, where they're playing teams that frankly aren't as good and the Mariners have actually looked like, a good baseball team compared to a team that's not quite as good as they are.
04:00 --> 04:00 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's right.
04:01 --> 04:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Full transparency.
04:02 --> 04:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I hadn't watched Frank's Tuesday night reaction to the loss.
04:06 --> 04:08 [SPEAKER_01]: It looks a little better.
04:08 --> 04:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm watching on silent.
04:09 --> 04:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to have to watch it with sound on when we get off this episode.
04:12 --> 04:14 [SPEAKER_01]: It started really, really melod.
04:14 --> 04:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Why don't you just play it?
04:15 --> 04:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's hear it.
04:16 --> 04:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, the problem is he looks like he went for a long time today.
04:20 --> 04:22 [SPEAKER_01]: He went for a little over a minute.
04:22 --> 04:24 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, can I get the first like 20 seconds?
04:24 --> 04:29 [SPEAKER_01]: No, because the first 20 seconds look like they're the most boring, but here, let's go to like the 35 second mark.
04:30 --> 04:31 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, Frank.
04:32 --> 04:33 [SPEAKER_00]: And in one coma toast.
04:36 --> 04:49 [SPEAKER_00]: He's got to be, I mean, he did not play the field, he did not fucking hit, he worked shit in him, boba shit, another fabulous game, but his piece of shit was fucking $1 million.
04:59 --> 05:09 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I'll say I couldn't have thought if you gave me a hundred chances to give Mark Viento's a nickname I would have never come up with Mark Compton
05:11 --> 05:13 [SPEAKER_01]: That was way better than Monday nights Monday nights.
05:13 --> 05:14 [SPEAKER_01]: This is boring.
05:15 --> 05:16 [SPEAKER_01]: They lost an extra.
05:16 --> 05:19 [SPEAKER_02]: That was better out of Boy, so that's how you know it was a good Mariners win tonight.
05:19 --> 05:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you do much much better.
05:21 --> 05:23 [SPEAKER_01]: By the way, you know what else?
05:24 --> 05:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Hashtag Frank analysis gave us in this series.
05:26 --> 05:28 [SPEAKER_01]: He said I promise this will be the last Frank thing.
05:28 --> 05:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And then we'll move on to actual like Mariners talk with them winning eight in a row Because that is the story line of this team.
05:34 --> 05:38 [SPEAKER_01]: He happened to say that Carlos Mendoza got out managed last night
05:39 --> 05:47 [SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, so, and then Mariners Twitter was like, Mariners Twitter took that and ran with it.
05:47 --> 05:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, a certain manager getting out managed.
05:54 --> 06:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Or a certain manager out managing, opposing manager, doesn't have an oven.
06:01 --> 06:06 [SPEAKER_02]: I honestly don't think I've ever seen someone with as much status as Frank the Tank.
06:07 --> 06:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Say publicly that Dan Wilson out managed the other side.
06:11 --> 06:11 [SPEAKER_02]: No.
06:12 --> 06:12 [SPEAKER_02]: No.
06:12 --> 06:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Never seen that.
06:14 --> 06:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that might be a rare hashtag.
06:17 --> 06:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, actually, maybe in that game he was right.
06:20 --> 06:22 [SPEAKER_01]: So in the hashtag Frank was right in that game.
06:23 --> 06:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
06:24 --> 06:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's see.
06:24 --> 06:31 [SPEAKER_01]: So now maybe not over the course of a larger sample size, but for that game, sure.
06:32 --> 06:39 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, if Dan Wilson was in Carlos Mendoza's spot, can't say it feel very comfortable with him pushing all those buttons that Mendoza has to push.
06:40 --> 06:41 [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, not at all.
06:42 --> 06:46 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, yeah, think of, think of, think of Dan Wilson managing like bullpen games.
06:46 --> 06:51 [SPEAKER_02]: He, honestly, I don't think it is entire tenure as Mariners manager has had to manage a bullpen game.
06:52 --> 06:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Has he?
06:53 --> 06:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe a couple, maybe a couple.
06:56 --> 07:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Like last year maybe, but they had starters at every point.
07:01 --> 07:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and 24 yet the historic rotation last year.
07:05 --> 07:13 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you had Logan George and Bryce heard at some point, but then you had Emerson to come up and you had Logan Evans to come up.
07:13 --> 07:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
07:14 --> 07:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
07:15 --> 07:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess.
07:15 --> 07:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
07:15 --> 07:16 [SPEAKER_01]: No, they did have a lot of starters.
07:17 --> 07:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I just thought it was a nightmare feel for me.
07:20 --> 07:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just thought I remember maybe one or two bullpen games.
07:23 --> 07:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, shout out to the Mariners, man.
07:25 --> 07:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we talked about them on Sunday night or for Monday's podcast after they swept the Diamondbacks.
07:30 --> 07:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Now they're a game away from sweeping another team, yes at home, but have a chance to win nine straight ball games after two straight months where they were up and down and up and down and they couldn't win multiple series in a row to save their lives.
07:44 --> 07:56 [SPEAKER_01]: This is the streak we have all been waiting to see them get on and now they're really hitting their full stride with a team that by the way isn't even a full strength Because there's still no cow and no Brendan Donovan and at least cows back around the team now.
07:56 --> 08:12 [SPEAKER_02]: He's been back at the park this week catching he's been throwing Marine Lair podcast asked cow rolly in the dugout today how he was doing in cow rolly said quote I'm okay So he's on his way back
08:13 --> 08:28 [SPEAKER_01]: and i'm gonna guess that means well i can't be out there playing so i could be better it that's exactly how i took that to so i always be better yeah let me rephrase that not saying i could be out there playing like he's ready right now what i meant by that statement was
08:29 --> 08:37 [SPEAKER_01]: He would be good, quote-unquote, if he was able to be out there playing, but since he can't be out there playing yet, okay.
08:37 --> 08:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Calce 100% when the Mariners say, all right, you ready to go on a rehab assignment?
08:41 --> 08:42 [SPEAKER_02]: He'll be like, oh, I'm ready.
08:42 --> 08:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't need a rehab assignment.
08:43 --> 08:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think he needs to take a few rehab games personally.
08:47 --> 08:51 [SPEAKER_02]: I think he needs to play maybe a week into coma, or at least four games.
08:52 --> 08:53 [SPEAKER_02]: That's for sure.
08:54 --> 08:57 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying to pick my favorite part of what I've seen here in these six games at home.
09:00 --> 09:02 [SPEAKER_02]: I got a lot of options, but I'd love to hear what you think.
09:02 --> 09:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if you're thinking, I'll just give you mine.
09:05 --> 09:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Can we just talk about Coltem or something?
09:08 --> 09:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Do that Swingy had on Monday night was pretty saucy.
09:14 --> 09:18 [SPEAKER_01]: He is running out of nine 35 OPS.
09:18 --> 09:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I understand it's early.
09:20 --> 09:20 [SPEAKER_01]: But,
09:21 --> 09:29 [SPEAKER_01]: for two people who had their own slight concerns about when they called them up and saying, is it too early that he not get enough time and triple A?
09:30 --> 09:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
09:31 --> 09:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he has just been a lightning rod for them.
09:33 --> 09:36 [SPEAKER_01]: You want to talk about needing some energy bolted into this team.
09:37 --> 09:37 [SPEAKER_01]: He has given them that.
09:38 --> 09:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, and then there was the sliding catch and Tuesday night.
09:42 --> 10:05 [SPEAKER_01]: well there was there was that and then there was the diving play to his right where he backed we made the backhanded stop at third i mean he made two defensive web jams on Tuesday night had two more hits on Tuesday night one of them may have been a punt but whatever two hits and then on to see people do in the eight-year-old comp with him on that yeah oh i did i've been for the graphic comp but anyway all digress
10:07 --> 10:26 [SPEAKER_01]: he has just been unreal on Monday night yes that's when he put on where he belted another homer he has been such a bolt of energy for this team and i don't think it's i don't think it's the ultimate and all be all reason they've started to get really hot but i think him being here is definitely sparked something
10:27 --> 10:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, he just gives them things they don't really have on their current roster.
10:31 --> 10:38 [SPEAKER_02]: The Mariners were trying to get athletic and field play from Leo Reos, for example, because that's whose role he took.
10:38 --> 10:53 [SPEAKER_02]: But Leo wasn't hitting, and Leo doesn't have the same tools that Colt Emerson does on the infield at the plate, and Colt Emerson is showing you the difference, like a true blue chip top prospect can give you.
10:54 --> 11:01 [SPEAKER_02]: The Mariners haven't had like a cold Emerson level talent come up from a prospect status since Julio.
11:02 --> 11:02 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
11:03 --> 11:04 [SPEAKER_02]: As a position player.
11:04 --> 11:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Cole Young was rated pretty high last year, but he's not rated as high or in the same class as a Julio or Colt Emerson and Colt Emerson is showing you why his floor is a big league or is going to be pretty high because the defense is going to be there he's going to get on base and now he's showing I think even a little bit more power than we would have thought in the early stages as he's trying to find his footing a left on left home run against Sean maniah crazy
11:30 --> 11:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Edmundye is not what he once was, but still, that is a very, very defined established big leader, who you're going left on left with, less than three weeks into your big lead career.
11:39 --> 11:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Took him deep.
11:40 --> 11:46 [SPEAKER_02]: There are guys on the Mariners roster who cult is almost 10 years younger than, who can't hit Chamania because he's a lefty.
11:48 --> 11:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, both Rayleigh and Ken's own.
11:50 --> 11:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, I wasn't going to name him, but yeah, I mean, that was what I was inferring.
11:53 --> 11:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I mean, sure, but when you're talking about, you're not really hiding it very well.
11:58 --> 12:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Guys, you're one of the most ten years older who don't hit left handed pitching.
12:01 --> 12:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't think it's a knock on Rayleigh and Ken's own.
12:04 --> 12:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the roles just are what they are at this point.
12:07 --> 12:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Both of them have been incredibly, incredibly valuable to the team this year.
12:10 --> 12:12 [SPEAKER_01]: They just don't really hit lefties.
12:12 --> 12:14 [SPEAKER_01]: But what they've both done against righties have been awesome.
12:19 --> 12:30 [SPEAKER_02]: that was more to say that coal young is doing things at such a young age by the way, I don't know if you've noticed, I think, because we're going to do our minor league report today we're going to jump around the whole Mariners minor league system.
12:30 --> 12:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you mean Emerson, by the way, you said coal young.
12:32 --> 12:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, sorry, Colt Emerson.
12:35 --> 12:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Colt is younger than most of the guys we're going to talk about.
12:39 --> 12:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's crazy.
12:43 --> 12:52 [SPEAKER_02]: So Shadow Coldtamerson, I also want to say that Johnny Pareta has the most juice of any Mariners backup catcher I've seen in a long time.
12:53 --> 12:54 [SPEAKER_02]: And man is that refreshing.
12:56 --> 13:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's becoming pretty clear that at the very latest after this year, he's the backup, right?
13:02 --> 13:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Like Mariners have found their backup catcher in the future.
13:06 --> 13:14 [SPEAKER_02]: I think they like his defense a little bit better and even if maybe they don't have a preference between him and Garver, I like his defense a little bit better.
13:14 --> 13:19 [SPEAKER_02]: It seems like he has a little bit more to offer you behind the plate and the dude hits nukes.
13:20 --> 13:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Like that's all I can ask for as opposed to like years of watching a very struggling Mitch Garver or we go back even worse.
13:31 --> 13:38 [SPEAKER_02]: If we go back like year by year, these players are so bad, I'm forgetting them on the spot.
13:38 --> 13:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'll give you a few.
13:39 --> 13:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Slowly pull up a handy baseball reference.
13:41 --> 13:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you want to go back to Tuffy, you want to go back to Mike Margema, you want to go back.
13:45 --> 13:49 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I was even thinking more recent, like, I'm thinking, like, 20, 24.
13:49 --> 13:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, where they have to trade for, trade for catchers.
13:54 --> 13:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Who's, I mean, Mitch Garver was the backup catcher in 2024.
14:02 --> 14:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
14:03 --> 14:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Five, six, seven, he's so long.
14:05 --> 14:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
14:07 --> 14:09 [SPEAKER_02]: See, that's why, oh, he's just so bad.
14:09 --> 14:11 [SPEAKER_02]: I have to erase it out of my mind.
14:12 --> 14:13 [SPEAKER_02]: And then we have 20, 23.
14:13 --> 14:17 [SPEAKER_02]: We have Tom Murphy, Brian O'Keefe, Louise Terrens.
14:18 --> 14:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Good to see you.
14:19 --> 14:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Keith was a, quite a guy who just got up.
14:22 --> 14:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Terren, I mean, Terrens is a big leader, but more so for the match than he was.
14:27 --> 14:30 [SPEAKER_02]: The Mariners giving the Mariners DFAM twice.
14:31 --> 14:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
14:32 --> 14:35 [SPEAKER_02]: And then you have Kirk Kassalee in 2022?
14:35 --> 14:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the Mariners really, really went with a top heavy trade deadline that you didn't know.
14:42 --> 14:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they got Luis, but then they got Kirk Kassalee, they got Jake Lamb.
14:47 --> 14:48 [SPEAKER_01]: It was like, wow.
14:49 --> 14:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Not exactly one A1 move, one A1 B move here, guys.
14:54 --> 14:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Luis was great, but yeah.
14:56 --> 14:58 [SPEAKER_02]: And that was the big difference between 2022 and and 2025.
15:01 --> 15:03 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm glad I've seen that from Johnny Pareta.
15:04 --> 15:07 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, otherwise, the offense looks really good.
15:07 --> 15:09 [SPEAKER_02]: The lineup looks pretty comfortable.
15:10 --> 15:11 [SPEAKER_02]: The weather's warming up.
15:11 --> 15:17 [SPEAKER_02]: They're hitting a ton of home runs, which is always the key to scoring more runs and winning more baseball games.
15:17 --> 15:25 [SPEAKER_02]: If you look every year, especially in this era of pitching, the teams that hit the most home runs, usually win the most games and score the most runs.
15:25 --> 15:30 [SPEAKER_02]: It's hard to hit a lot of home runs and suck in today's Major League Baseball and the Mariners have been able to do that.
15:31 --> 15:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Do they rely on the home run too much?
15:33 --> 15:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe we can actually spend a segment of a podcast episode on that because the Mariners League Baseball in percentage of runs scored via the home run.
15:43 --> 15:45 [SPEAKER_02]: And occasionally that can lead to cold streaks when you're not hitting them all over the wall.
15:45 --> 15:48 [SPEAKER_02]: But right now, I mean, they're hitting a ton of home runs and they're scoring a bunch of runs.
15:49 --> 15:50 [SPEAKER_02]: So how are you going to complain about that?
15:51 --> 15:57 [SPEAKER_02]: But on top of that, I mean, the starting pitching continues in these first two games of this series to just totally outclass the other team.
15:57 --> 16:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Just look at the difference between the two teams and the starters the Mariners have and the starters the other teams are rolling out.
16:02 --> 16:03 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not a competition.
16:04 --> 16:19 [SPEAKER_02]: now the mats are hanging on by thread with their bullpen games and the mares with their essentially six starter rolling out a camp in Emerson hangcock is going to be their guy representing the medial star game that's the difference if not if there's not more to go along with them yeah
16:20 --> 16:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Logan Gilbert start on Tuesday wasn't his strongest outing of all time, it wasn't bad, but I will say I think there was some real positives from it.
16:28 --> 16:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Number one, he struck out eight guys, and number two is basketball, Vila was up again.
16:32 --> 16:36 [SPEAKER_01]: So even though he ended up giving up three runs and he didn't quite get through six,
16:38 --> 16:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I think there were some more positives to take away from another Logan Gilbert start where you say it does feel like stuff continues to trend the right way, which is a really good sign.
16:47 --> 16:56 [SPEAKER_01]: By the way, his ERA now sits for the year 379, which is much closer to where the average earned run average of Logan Gilbert will often sit.
16:56 --> 16:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I think you can still be a little lower.
16:59 --> 17:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I think you can still bring it down if he really starts to click even more, but you're starting to see the right signs with Logan Gilbert.
17:06 --> 17:13 [SPEAKER_02]: His view is up about half a mile an hour on his poor simmer, which you'll take if he's going to do that most times out.
17:14 --> 17:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Just got to get it up a little bit more.
17:15 --> 17:19 [SPEAKER_02]: So season average right now, Lyle is sitting at just under 96.
17:20 --> 17:26 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if he's going to sit at 96 and a half, that's probably as bad as close as you're going to get to his 2024 self.
17:26 --> 17:27 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what you want.
17:27 --> 17:27 [SPEAKER_01]: For sure.
17:28 --> 17:30 [SPEAKER_01]: but I love to what I saw from Logan Gober today.
17:30 --> 17:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Like overall, the Mariners starting staff looks great.
17:33 --> 17:37 [SPEAKER_02]: I, we keep just shower in the love on Emerson Hancock.
17:38 --> 17:44 [SPEAKER_02]: But think of the point we've gotten to with him that I'm almost disappointed that he gave up two runs over six settings.
17:44 --> 17:46 [SPEAKER_02]: I know, that's how good he's been.
17:46 --> 17:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Like this time last year we were going to say, oh my god, he finished six settings, he gave up two runs.
17:51 --> 17:53 [SPEAKER_02]: That's insane, great job Emerson.
17:54 --> 17:57 [SPEAKER_02]: But now it's like, dude, why did you allow two runs?
17:59 --> 18:02 [SPEAKER_01]: And if you ask Emerson, he'd probably rather hear that than hear, dude, wait a pitch.
18:03 --> 18:07 [SPEAKER_01]: We've said this about Emerson before, and it's truly just a testament to what a team guy he is.
18:07 --> 18:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I honestly think he'd rather hear somebody say to him figure it out, like, don't give up runs late in your start rather than absolutely way to pitch it, because they're like absolutely way to carve them up, because he doesn't want all the praise.
18:22 --> 18:23 [SPEAKER_01]: He just wants it on other people.
18:24 --> 18:27 [SPEAKER_02]: He's a big, good, deflect praise, except blame kind of guy.
18:29 --> 18:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, it's just more of the Emerson Hancock lore that makes them not just incredibly easy to root for but just one of the nicest dudes you'll find in the game.
18:39 --> 18:46 [SPEAKER_02]: I'd say the other thing that really stands out from this series especially is it just kind of flies under the radar that the Mariners bullpen is back and fully healthy.
18:47 --> 18:55 [SPEAKER_02]: It's really helped him out during this win streak in a couple of extra inning games they've played where they've needed some high leverage out from their top relievers and they got them all back.
18:55 --> 19:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Spire, Brash, Munoz, Vizardo, and Ferre, are now, I mean, they're not only all healthy, but they're all comfortable.
19:03 --> 19:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Most of that comes in the sense of Jose Ferre, but they're all back healthy, which is important.
19:09 --> 19:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we got to give a shout out to the two lefties.
19:11 --> 19:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I remember the first two weeks of the year and watching what was happening with Ferre and I was like, oh no, I was like, this is a tough watch.
19:19 --> 19:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, Jose Ferrer has been absolutely unreal.
19:23 --> 19:27 [SPEAKER_01]: So, forget anything I said in the first two weeks because this guy has been an absolute godsend for them.
19:28 --> 19:29 [SPEAKER_01]: He has been dominant for them.
19:29 --> 19:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, as he always still sit in sub two.
19:32 --> 19:35 [SPEAKER_01]: So, he looks great and then for Gabe Spire's sake.
19:37 --> 19:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't he look just night and day difference in getting off the I.L.
19:40 --> 19:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know exactly what was going on with Gabe before he got hurt, but I got to tell you his few outings that he's put together since he's come off the injured list.
19:48 --> 19:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean he is just moan him down.
19:51 --> 19:54 [SPEAKER_01]: This looks like twenty twenty five games fire when he was as dominant as ever.
19:55 --> 19:59 [SPEAKER_02]: And he's got the fire back to you could see that nibb the at batty at against Corbin Carroll.
20:00 --> 20:06 [SPEAKER_02]: the juice was was flown the pre-workout was was was screaming out of his out of his lungs after he struck him out.
20:07 --> 20:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, Gabe is a pre-workout guy before he gets into the games.
20:10 --> 20:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I it's far as I know.
20:11 --> 20:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
20:12 --> 20:12 [SPEAKER_01]: He told us that.
20:13 --> 20:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
20:13 --> 20:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
20:13 --> 20:16 [SPEAKER_02]: He was like a pre-workout like the third inning he said.
20:16 --> 20:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
20:17 --> 20:23 [SPEAKER_01]: to try to have it set in before he's going to go in the game, but I mean not even just the Corbin Carol about over the weekend.
20:23 --> 20:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, go back to Monday.
20:25 --> 20:26 [SPEAKER_01]: They were in extra innings.
20:26 --> 20:28 [SPEAKER_01]: They had to get out of a jam.
20:28 --> 20:36 [SPEAKER_01]: They needed to go up and win the ball game and it was Gabe that went out there in the tenth and started with the runner on second base, didn't let him score.
20:36 --> 20:37 [SPEAKER_01]: And the Mariners walked it off.
20:39 --> 20:43 [SPEAKER_02]: a Jose Ferrer-Lyle Baseball on Baseball, so on.
20:43 --> 20:47 [SPEAKER_02]: He's got 90th percentile fastball run value.
20:47 --> 20:49 [SPEAKER_02]: He's 95th and expected era.
20:50 --> 20:55 [SPEAKER_02]: He's he's a hundredth percentile and walk rate 90th percentile and chase rate.
20:56 --> 20:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Exitvilo is about 85 miles an hour.
20:58 --> 20:59 [SPEAKER_01]: That'll play.
21:00 --> 21:05 [SPEAKER_01]: It'll play and it just makes me laugh from the start of the year when again I'm sure we overreacted.
21:05 --> 21:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I got texts from a couple friends.
21:07 --> 21:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not gonna throw anybody specific under the bus I got texts from a couple friends Five or six games into the year that are just saying Ferrer is unwatchable is what they said.
21:18 --> 21:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I want Harry Ford back
21:20 --> 21:23 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't have any friends that were dumb enough to say that.
21:23 --> 21:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, I shouldn't call people dumb, that's mean.
21:25 --> 21:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I know a lot of people like Terry Ford, but that trade has been very, very worth it.
21:29 --> 21:32 [SPEAKER_01]: And I hope Jose Ferrer holding an ERA that sits below one seven right now.
21:33 --> 21:35 [SPEAKER_01]: has made people come around on that.
21:36 --> 21:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Harry Ford, by the way, is still not in the big leagues and he's still not heading well in AAA.
21:40 --> 21:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Is he still prospect?
21:41 --> 21:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Technically, I mean, sure.
21:44 --> 21:46 [SPEAKER_02]: But is he gonna be able to be out of the top 100 now?
21:47 --> 21:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's definitely out of the top 100.
21:49 --> 21:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think he's still prospect, because again, he's only had six major league at bats, but
21:54 --> 22:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Right now, man, Harry Ford is sitting with an OPS of 604 in Triple A, and this is a national team that we've talked about, did not have Star-studded catching last year by anything but anything from it.
22:07 --> 22:12 [SPEAKER_02]: And we thought Harry was going to get an opportunity there, and that is certainly not been the case.
22:12 --> 22:22 [SPEAKER_02]: And if you can get a big league lefty reliever, one that trends toward higher leverage opportunities in the game for a non-top 100 prospect in a one-for-one swap,
22:24 --> 22:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's say you do it, and it's, I said the best work the Mariners have done this year was their work with the platoons and believing in the platoons, because those have actually worked really well and helped emphasize a strength of this roster.
22:36 --> 22:45 [SPEAKER_02]: The next best thing they did was get Jose for air, in terms of like being smart and making like a really sound baseball decision, not just signing Josh Newler.
22:46 --> 22:47 [SPEAKER_01]: No, he's been awesome.
22:47 --> 22:50 [SPEAKER_01]: He has been absolutely dominant, truly dominant.
22:51 --> 22:55 [SPEAKER_01]: If there was a middle reliever, slated to make the All-Star game for each league, he might have a case.
22:56 --> 23:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Because usually the only relievers that make the All-Star game are closers, so it's gonna be hard.
23:01 --> 23:11 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, there was a designated middle reliever in the All-Star game, which honestly, I feel like there should be, because those middle relievers don't get any recognition, but they're usually just starters.
23:13 --> 23:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
23:14 --> 23:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying if you had to designate one extra spot on each all-star team, however many spots are currently are, if you could designate one extra for a middle reliever for each league, I feel like that'd be a nice gesture to the middle, and it doesn't even have to be to a middle reliever, just a non-closer to some of the guys that don't get the recognition that they deserve.
23:33 --> 23:41 [SPEAKER_01]: So the farrayers of the world or the map rashes of the world who's got any R.A. under one, you know, had more chances to make the all-star game.
23:41 --> 23:47 [SPEAKER_02]: We were talking to the case of Gabe Spire last year, and usually there's about one non-closer who makes it.
23:48 --> 23:49 [SPEAKER_02]: And we're pounding the table that it was going to be Gabe.
23:50 --> 23:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not even, like, I mean, there's a lot of years there is not a closer in the...
23:54 --> 23:57 [SPEAKER_01]: There is no non-closer, it's just starters and closers.
23:58 --> 24:01 [SPEAKER_02]: But, I mean, Freyr stats are pretty good.
24:01 --> 24:06 [SPEAKER_02]: If you give them another month of this kind of pitching, then maybe his stats will be...
24:07 --> 24:08 [SPEAKER_02]: replacement level.
24:08 --> 24:13 [SPEAKER_02]: He's not going to get chosen originally, but as guys bow out, it's possible.
24:14 --> 24:16 [SPEAKER_02]: It's possible.
24:16 --> 24:20 [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like among all the relievers in this bullpen, he has the best chance.
24:20 --> 24:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Number one, because he's been the only one healthy the entire time.
24:24 --> 24:32 [SPEAKER_02]: But two, I mean, with Muno's being a bit of scattershot as he's been this season, for every little bit more consistent, I'd probably lean him.
24:32 --> 24:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
24:33 --> 24:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I can buy into that.
24:35 --> 24:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank goodness the Mariners tradiform.
24:36 --> 24:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's the conclusion.
24:37 --> 24:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Would I still like to see them get another true leverage arm at the deadline?
24:40 --> 24:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because I think another leverage arm only elevates their chances in the postseason.
24:46 --> 24:47 [SPEAKER_01]: But getting Jose for error?
24:48 --> 24:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's really worked.
24:49 --> 24:49 [UNKNOWN]: Down.
24:50 --> 24:52 [SPEAKER_02]: We got a lot of prospects to talk about.
24:52 --> 24:55 [SPEAKER_02]: We've picked out all the top prospects of the Mariners minor league system.
24:56 --> 24:58 [SPEAKER_02]: And we'll update you on how they're doing this season before we get to that.
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26:16 --> 26:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Left-handed pitcher, Cade Anderson.
26:19 --> 26:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Through nine starts this season, he has a 143 ERA in 44 innings.
26:23 --> 26:27 [SPEAKER_02]: He has struck out 42% of batters in AA.
26:27 --> 26:28 [SPEAKER_02]: He's walked just four percent.
26:29 --> 26:35 [SPEAKER_02]: He's allowing a 171 batting average against with a whip under one, a ground ball rate of 45%.
26:36 --> 26:39 [SPEAKER_02]: And clearly, he's still just adjusting to the minor leagues.
26:42 --> 27:05 [SPEAKER_01]: It just makes me laugh every time and it look I know Keith laws done this a long time But I can't help but laugh about the quote he gave to Brock and saw a couple of months ago when he was on and he just goes Kate Anderson does not look very good right now like I mean he said and he said it pretty confidently and it's like, well I feel like I feel like that's not true And it is appeared to be not true because I gotta be honest
27:06 --> 27:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Kate Anderson doesn't even feel like a prospect in terms of updating people on the minor leaders because we've talked about Kate Anderson so much that it doesn't feel like we're updating anybody with Kate Anderson talk.
27:18 --> 27:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Everybody knows what's going on with Kate because you're either checking yourself because you're as tuned in on it as we are maybe even more so for any of the really really really big prospect gurus out there or you're just sitting there and saying yeah
27:32 --> 27:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Every Friday night I see Kate Anderson dominate in AA and continue to wonder when we might see more of them They got a promoted AAA They have to.
27:44 --> 27:58 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we were talking to people at the park today who said they didn't think that Kate Anderson was gonna go to AAA They were just gonna leave him in AA and tell he's ready to come up and make his big late debut and Maybe to keep his stats looking really good.
27:58 --> 27:59 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the play
28:00 --> 28:02 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think he's being challenged.
28:02 --> 28:08 [SPEAKER_02]: While he's allowed five of the seven runs that he's that have scored against him this year.
28:09 --> 28:13 [SPEAKER_02]: In one inning, he had won bad inning.
28:13 --> 28:15 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the only reason his era is above one.
28:16 --> 28:17 [SPEAKER_02]: How about strikeout rate, Lyle?
28:18 --> 28:26 [SPEAKER_02]: The difference between Kate Anderson and the next closest starting pitcher in double I in terms of strikeout rate is 12%.
28:28 --> 28:34 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the same difference between number two and number 18 in strikeout rate.
28:36 --> 28:38 [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't walk anybody.
28:38 --> 28:39 [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't give up runs.
28:40 --> 28:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, I'm sitting here and we're talking about Kate Anderson and I'm sitting here saying,
28:46 --> 28:49 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you want me to fill you guys all in on that you don't already know?
28:50 --> 28:53 [SPEAKER_01]: We've hit every point we could possibly hit on Kate Anderson.
28:53 --> 28:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I think a lot of the interesting points in this episode are going to be about the other guys we haven't gotten to talk about as much as of late.
29:00 --> 29:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm with you, man.
29:02 --> 29:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I think Kate Anderson could actually benefit from pitching in AAA.
29:06 --> 29:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And I know that sounds crazy because the mariners for every good reason keep a lot of their starters away from Tacoma and away from the PCL because pitching in that Bambox of a league can often just hurt pitchers.
29:17 --> 29:25 [SPEAKER_01]: But if Kate Anderson is this dominant in AA, I don't see how leaving him there for two more months is gonna do him much good.
29:26 --> 29:35 [SPEAKER_01]: And last year, gonna really, really hone in on certain pitches with certain data that the public doesn't get access to and say, I'm just gonna throw out a random example.
29:36 --> 29:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, Kate, we want you to go first pitch slider every single abat.
29:40 --> 29:44 [SPEAKER_01]: in this outing, because you're not landing enough first pitch sliders for strikes.
29:45 --> 29:47 [SPEAKER_01]: That would be the type of data that we the public don't get to see.
29:48 --> 29:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they do things like that.
29:50 --> 29:54 [SPEAKER_01]: But as far as I can tell, he's not being challenged in AA.
29:54 --> 29:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And if you were going to send him to AAA,
29:57 --> 30:04 [SPEAKER_01]: The idea of getting him up against hitters that have hit in the big leagues versus just prospects seems like it could have some benefit.
30:05 --> 30:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Pared with the benefit of, is there a world that this actually upskate Anderson's confidence too much, pitching in AA?
30:13 --> 30:22 [SPEAKER_01]: If he never gets punched in the mouth, is he going to be in for some sort of route awakening at some point when he has to face big league hitters and inevitably at some point has a
30:25 --> 30:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Like is there benefit to him getting knocked around a bit and triple A and even if he doesn't get knocked around and he just continues to dominate everybody just seeing some more hitters that have hit in the big leagues feels like that could be beneficial.
30:40 --> 30:55 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm thinking that it's just probably, it's the most beneficial to face guys who have a better idea of their strike zone and are just better hitters than what he's facing in double a the raw talent might be a little bit better in double a but
30:56 --> 31:15 [SPEAKER_02]: those guys in AAA can hit most of them can hit so that will give Kate a little bit more of a challenge where it's like alright i mean he's missing all of these bats but at the big league level a 45% ground ball rate is pretty good it's not as good as it could be it's not as good as another guy on this list who we're gonna talk about next
31:16 --> 31:30 [SPEAKER_02]: In terms of keeping the ball in the ground, keeping it away from damage zones, like if Kate Anderson allows a bunch of fly balls while pitching at home, his stats are going to look really good because fly balls at Dicky Stevens Park and Arkansas go to die.
31:30 --> 31:31 [SPEAKER_02]: They don't go anywhere.
31:32 --> 31:44 [SPEAKER_02]: So that would be something that benefits like look when you get to the big leagues and these guys are stronger and the ball's different These balls are going to leave the yard and you can't be allowing these Don't that's why I think it would benefit them.
31:44 --> 31:57 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what's the most disappointing thing about Kate Anderson this season Said he's allowed two home runs should probably be zero If that's what you have to nitpick It probably says all you need to know about Kate Anderson season
31:59 --> 32:04 [SPEAKER_02]: And he's also right now, as a prospect, he's on a cold timer since level.
32:05 --> 32:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Like that, that's why I feel like he's at.
32:06 --> 32:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Like cold Emerson's succeeding in the big leagues right now.
32:09 --> 32:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Kate Anderson also probably be succeeding in the big leagues.
32:13 --> 32:16 [SPEAKER_02]: But Kate's got six guys in front of him, unfortunately.
32:18 --> 32:18 [SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy.
32:19 --> 32:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I gotta tell you what.
32:20 --> 32:21 [SPEAKER_01]: We did a pretty good job.
32:22 --> 32:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't mean to like, blows smoke here and self-talk,
32:28 --> 32:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like we did a pretty good job breaking down all those draft prospects last year because the two guys we were most bullish on are both currently top 10 prospects in baseball and dominating.
32:38 --> 32:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Cade, who the Mariners ended up getting, and then Seth Hernandez, who by a lot of outlets, has actually ranked above Cade, and he has been dominant too.
32:46 --> 32:51 [SPEAKER_01]: He's younger, and they're easing him in more in Pittsburgh, but he's already been promoted to
32:56 --> 33:01 [SPEAKER_01]: From everything we understood too, had Cade not been there, which we didn't think he was going to.
33:01 --> 33:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I felt like Seth was going to be the pick for the Mariners, who, by the way, we heard from some people who have some real ties to the org that Seth Hernandez is going to go down as one of the best high school pitching prospects ever.
33:15 --> 33:20 [SPEAKER_01]: So, I feel like we did a decent job saying, yeah, those would be our two guys.
33:21 --> 33:38 [SPEAKER_02]: If your curious for Kate Ranks in the entire prospect pool or friends at just baseball, as this episode is coming out, you can check it out on just facebook.com when we release their top 100 prospect update, which is going to have Kate Anderson as the number 10 prospect in Major League Baseball.
33:38 --> 33:39 [SPEAKER_02]: That's pretty good.
33:40 --> 33:46 [SPEAKER_02]: And you mentioned Seth Hernandez, him and Kate have been named as two of the top pitching prospects in all of Manor Lake baseball.
33:46 --> 34:02 [SPEAKER_02]: This next guy is the third one of that group, the decision between the best person pitching prospect in the entire league, the minor leagues, goes between Kate Anderson, Seth Hernandez and our next guy that we're going to talk about, Ryan Sloan.
34:03 --> 34:14 [SPEAKER_02]: 9 starts a 434 ERA, a FIP that's just above 3, a ground ball rate of 54% he's striking out 32% of batters and walking 6.5%.
34:18 --> 34:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I would say he's had a pretty normal ascension in the AA for somebody that
34:24 --> 34:26 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners have been very aggressive with for every good reason.
34:26 --> 34:35 [SPEAKER_01]: He was so good in the spring and he's proven to be so polished that at the young age of 20 years old, he has already in AA at a high school.
34:36 --> 34:38 [SPEAKER_01]: First few starts were a little rocky at points.
34:38 --> 34:49 [SPEAKER_01]: He would give up a few walks, had a couple of big innings, gave up a couple of homers, and then three of his last four outings as he continued to progress has been way better.
34:49 --> 34:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean his last four starts, he's giving up one walk and he's struck it out 29 in just under 20 innings.
34:55 --> 34:57 [SPEAKER_01]: He is Ryan Sloan's last second.
34:58 --> 34:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'd say that's pretty good.
34:59 --> 35:02 [SPEAKER_01]: It's last four starts one walk in 29 punchouts.
35:02 --> 35:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Ryan Sloan's really starting to have a click in AA, which is why he is one of the upper echelon prospects in all a major league baseball, and our friends at just baseball, they got him a number one.
35:14 --> 35:16 [SPEAKER_02]: They're number one pitching prospect.
35:16 --> 35:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Number four, all of baseball.
35:18 --> 35:22 [SPEAKER_01]: They have a headache, a head of Sethornand as everybody.
35:22 --> 35:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Number one pitching prospect in baseball, Ryan Sloan.
35:27 --> 35:27 [SPEAKER_01]: How does that sound?
35:28 --> 35:36 [SPEAKER_02]: It was probably helped out by his last outing in which he threw six no-hit innings and struck out 11 of the 18 out sea got.
35:37 --> 35:39 [SPEAKER_02]: There must have been an error in the field because he didn't walk anybody.
35:40 --> 35:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't see anyone say perfect innings, so there must have been an error behind him.
35:46 --> 35:48 [SPEAKER_02]: maybe there was a drop third strike or something.
35:49 --> 35:54 [SPEAKER_02]: It's possible, but the man went through five innings and had struck out 10 of the 15 batters.
35:54 --> 35:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Joe would say it's pretty good.
35:56 --> 35:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'd say that's pretty good against guys who are older than you.
35:59 --> 36:00 [SPEAKER_02]: It's pretty good.
36:00 --> 36:03 [SPEAKER_02]: His phone is still yet to turn 21 years old.
36:03 --> 36:06 [SPEAKER_02]: He is two months younger, I believe, than Colt Emerson is.
36:07 --> 36:09 [SPEAKER_02]: if you want to sort of age scale for him.
36:10 --> 36:18 [SPEAKER_02]: And this is guy we said, look at this time next year, that's when you look at calling up Ryan Sloan, which I think that honestly is still going to be the case loud.
36:18 --> 36:19 [SPEAKER_02]: He still needs to get stretched out.
36:20 --> 36:21 [SPEAKER_02]: He's kind of like Kate, right?
36:21 --> 36:27 [SPEAKER_02]: So Kate in terms of volume had yet to pitch out of the sixth inning.
36:27 --> 36:29 [SPEAKER_02]: He had not thrown
36:30 --> 36:37 [SPEAKER_02]: more than 75 pitches in any one of his starts in Ryan Sloan got pulled after those six no hit innings at 61 pitches.
36:38 --> 36:44 [SPEAKER_02]: So the Mariners are doing the same thing with Ryan Sloan, if not scaling it back a little bit more to work him in.
36:44 --> 36:46 [SPEAKER_01]: And again, that's the responsible thing to do.
36:46 --> 36:50 [SPEAKER_01]: He's 20 years old and they were pretty careful with him last year too.
36:51 --> 36:54 [SPEAKER_01]: We have seen what happens with not just high schoolers but high school
36:56 --> 37:03 [SPEAKER_01]: can lead to injuries, it can lead to guys flaming out and that is not what you in any way want from Ryan Sloan.
37:03 --> 37:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they talk about there's a reason not a lot of high school rites get drafted really high.
37:08 --> 37:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Seth Hernandez was an exception to that last year.
37:11 --> 37:15 [SPEAKER_01]: but they're being very careful for every good reason with Ryan Sloan.
37:15 --> 37:22 [SPEAKER_01]: So yes, I mean, what did it have been cool to see how many innings he could have gone and if he could have kept the no hit or going, sure.
37:22 --> 37:28 [SPEAKER_01]: But that's not worth him getting too stretched out and throwing too many pitches in a minor league start.
37:29 --> 37:30 [SPEAKER_01]: The mariners are doing the right thing with him.
37:32 --> 37:38 [SPEAKER_02]: And if you want him to do that, you ask like, okay, does he really gain anything by throwing a complete game shot out?
37:39 --> 37:39 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
37:39 --> 37:44 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he's the number four prospect in baseball, he doesn't need to throw a complete game shot out.
37:44 --> 37:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Everyone already knows he's great.
37:47 --> 37:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Or if you're saying, okay, if he does this, he's going to prep himself more for the majors.
37:52 --> 37:55 [SPEAKER_02]: But then I ask you this, where is he going to pitch?
38:02 --> 38:05 [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be a very, very interesting one for how the Mariners handle all this.
38:06 --> 38:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Because again, you are going to have a hell of a lot of starters that need in X next year, and they're going to have to figure out how to manage it all.
38:13 --> 38:17 [SPEAKER_02]: The Mariners keep one-uping themselves with prospects.
38:18 --> 38:20 [SPEAKER_02]: It's fun to see the next wave truly arriving.
38:21 --> 38:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Was it in 23, while the Mariners didn't really have a next wave ready?
38:27 --> 38:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Was that the year?
38:28 --> 38:29 [SPEAKER_02]: When they had the three first round picks?
38:30 --> 38:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because you had seen a bunch of the current core already up, Logan, Kirby, Cal, a bunch of those guy, Cal, Nick.
38:38 --> 38:54 [SPEAKER_01]: but there wasn't the next wave because you essentially had Bryce Miller and Brian Wu and the miners, but those guys, I mean, Bryce had a good year in 22, but it wasn't a slam dunk that those guys were gonna be what they've turned out being and past that, you know, there wasn't much.
38:55 --> 39:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Now this is a true next wave, cult, co-young, for mellow, las, arroyo, cade, Sloan.
39:03 --> 39:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this is the next wave, man.
39:06 --> 39:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm talking about the fact they have a blue chip 20-year-old shortstop in the big leagues and then two top 10 pitching prospects in all of Major League Baseball behind a rotation with six Major League arms.
39:17 --> 39:18 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what we call a wave.
39:20 --> 39:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, like the Mariners haven't done everything perfectly.
39:23 --> 39:33 [SPEAKER_01]: In the tenure of this front office, but man, if you can certainly say there's one thing they got right that nobody can dispute, man, if they crushed it with their farm system and with the draft picks.
39:34 --> 39:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I'd say my favorite thing about Ryan Sloan, like, yeah, he strikes guys out, but the ground balls, he has always had a ton of ground balls in his profile.
39:44 --> 39:46 [SPEAKER_02]: That is going to make you a lot of money.
39:46 --> 39:49 [SPEAKER_02]: If you're able to keep the ball in the ground, send your not allowing home runs.
39:50 --> 39:51 [SPEAKER_02]: If you don't allow home runs,
39:52 --> 39:58 [SPEAKER_02]: hard for guys to score runs against you and you throw as hard as Ryan Sloan does and you have the kind of stuff he does.
39:58 --> 40:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Ground balls with the ability to get the swing and mess with pretty big time stuff.
40:03 --> 40:07 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a combination that every single team would buy into.
40:08 --> 40:12 [SPEAKER_02]: So in summary, I'm loving what I'm seeing for my Ryan Sloan.
40:12 --> 40:17 [SPEAKER_02]: You see the ERA, yep, the ERA is a little high, but I honestly wouldn't buy too much into it.
40:18 --> 40:25 [SPEAKER_02]: With a guy at 20 years old in AA, who the prospect people are telling you, you gotta keep this guy circled.
40:27 --> 40:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, and a lot of that ERA is from a couple things.
40:31 --> 40:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Some bad luck because you look at the numbers under the hood like it's fit, and it's much lower than is actual ERA.
40:38 --> 40:52 [SPEAKER_01]: and then you also look at what he did at the start of the season versus what he's doing now and it's a guy that's very very clearly starting to adjust to the league and starting to really cook which Sloan and his last four starts specifically three of those last four are started to do.
40:53 --> 40:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I will say this.
40:54 --> 40:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't bank on this the way you would with Cade because Cade it's almost a certainty.
40:59 --> 41:03 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to see him in the big leagues one way or another at some point this season.
41:04 --> 41:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't buy any means called this a certainty.
41:08 --> 41:15 [SPEAKER_01]: But is there a world that they would want Ryan Sloan to pitch out of the bullpen in the postseason if they get there if this keeps up I think so.
41:15 --> 41:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
41:16 --> 41:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
41:17 --> 41:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Of course.
41:17 --> 41:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
41:19 --> 41:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, he's not going to have the chance to get up as early as Cade, where we can see Cade up and I don't know.
41:25 --> 41:31 [SPEAKER_01]: August, if everything keeps going right, possibly Sloan would probably be at the very end of the year.
41:32 --> 41:35 [SPEAKER_01]: But if they want their best arms in the postseason, could he be here?
41:35 --> 41:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it could be here.
41:36 --> 41:40 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll see what the Mariners priorities are because it's not a simple thing.
41:40 --> 41:42 [SPEAKER_02]: It just put him in the big league bullpen.
41:42 --> 41:44 [SPEAKER_02]: It requires a lot of things.
41:44 --> 41:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Start his big league clock.
41:46 --> 41:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Burn an option here.
41:48 --> 41:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Put him on the 40-man roster.
41:51 --> 41:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Those are, those are real things, the Mariners are keeping track of when they decide whether or not they're going to put, put guys in the big leagues.
41:58 --> 42:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Now I know Ryan Sloan probably halfway through next season if not sooner will be up in Seattle at some point.
42:05 --> 42:06 [SPEAKER_02]: I would hope.
42:06 --> 42:14 [SPEAKER_02]: I'd find it really hard to believe that Ryan Sloan being ranked as the number four pitching prospect in baseball has longer than a year left in the minors.
42:15 --> 42:17 [SPEAKER_02]: And the Mariners would have to sort of figure out a spot for them.
42:17 --> 42:19 [SPEAKER_02]: So the clock would start anyways.
42:19 --> 42:26 [SPEAKER_02]: But that is something teams think about when they're deciding, whether or not to put guys on the postseason roster.
42:26 --> 42:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
42:27 --> 42:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, great.
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43:08 --> 43:12 [SPEAKER_02]: First hit we want to talk about, Lion, is the one everyone loves to talk about.
43:12 --> 43:13 [SPEAKER_02]: That would be
43:16 --> 43:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Slashing 211, 325, 469, with a 120WRC plus in AA Arkansas, with 14 home runs, 13% walk rate and a 30% strikeout rate.
43:32 --> 43:33 [SPEAKER_01]: What's that meme?
43:33 --> 43:34 [SPEAKER_01]: You had, they had us in the first half.
43:34 --> 43:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to lie.
43:36 --> 43:38 [SPEAKER_01]: You had me with everything on last there.
43:39 --> 43:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Everything.
43:40 --> 43:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, not the batting average, that's pretty low.
43:41 --> 43:47 [SPEAKER_01]: And I know we don't really talk about batting average here on the pod, but when you're a prospect in AA, you do want to rack up hits.
43:49 --> 43:50 [SPEAKER_01]: You had me with most things with LAS.
43:51 --> 43:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately with him, we love LAS.
43:54 --> 43:55 [SPEAKER_01]: We've talked about this plenty.
43:56 --> 43:57 [SPEAKER_01]: He has been awesome to us.
43:57 --> 43:58 [SPEAKER_01]: He's so easy to root for.
43:58 --> 44:00 [SPEAKER_01]: He has an infectious personality.
44:00 --> 44:02 [SPEAKER_01]: And the power is jaw-dropping.
44:03 --> 44:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately,
44:05 --> 44:11 [SPEAKER_01]: The conversation around Las Montez is gonna come back to the exact same place that it's been for the better part of two years now.
44:12 --> 44:15 [SPEAKER_01]: The strikeout rate is just too high.
44:15 --> 44:23 [SPEAKER_01]: You can't strike out 30% of the time in AA, and expect to have a really successful Big League stand.
44:23 --> 44:24 [SPEAKER_01]: It just doesn't happen.
44:24 --> 44:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's why he's still in AA.
44:26 --> 44:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's why he may spend the entire year again in AA unless something drastically changes.
44:33 --> 44:34 [SPEAKER_01]: The power's awesome.
44:34 --> 44:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad he draws his walks, but you just can't punch out 30% of the time, you just can't.
44:41 --> 44:43 [SPEAKER_02]: And we haven't learned anything new with last.
44:44 --> 44:46 [SPEAKER_02]: This is the same player right now.
44:46 --> 44:50 [SPEAKER_02]: He looks about the same as how he looked in AA last year.
44:51 --> 44:57 [SPEAKER_02]: So until the story changes with LAS, you're going to kind of hear the same response from us, from LIL.
44:58 --> 45:01 [SPEAKER_02]: And honestly, don't even know what's more concerning.
45:01 --> 45:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Like the strikeout rates concerning, but you can't hit 211 in AA, right?
45:06 --> 45:12 [SPEAKER_02]: As you're allowed to hit for a low average in the big leagues, because we're able to find value from other parts of your game.
45:13 --> 45:15 [SPEAKER_02]: But when you're a prospect, you need to be the best at everything.
45:16 --> 45:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Usually, to succeed.
45:18 --> 45:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you can hit 210 in the big leagues and still run out of WRC plus in the 120s or 130s because you're probably going to hit for power and draw your walks and you'll have other value.
45:29 --> 45:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, first couple of years, that's what CalRolli did.
45:31 --> 45:37 [SPEAKER_01]: He would hit 210 to 15, but he was still an incredibly valuable player from everything else he would bring to the table.
45:39 --> 45:44 [SPEAKER_01]: you can't do that in double a though because of lads was going to do that in double a paired with the strikeout rate.
45:45 --> 45:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's how he gets for the big leagues and hits 170 and is striking out 40% of the time and it's just not going to work.
45:54 --> 45:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, I know a lot of our listeners and a lot of Mariners fans love lads and they love the idea of lads Montez.
46:00 --> 46:06 [SPEAKER_01]: But you have to love the idea of lads Montez with the idea that he is going to provide significant big league value.
46:07 --> 46:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And unfortunately, like, he's profile right now just isn't really doing that.
46:14 --> 46:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I think a lot of people like to see the home runs posted online and see the highlights Alas Montez and just latch on to that because again, four years ago, you heard somebody compare him to Yordon Alvarez, which was never fair to have happened to begin with.
46:28 --> 46:31 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's just not the case for who he is as a player.
46:31 --> 46:48 [SPEAKER_01]: paired with you see the big home runs and you get attached to that, but a lot of people who aren't following the prospects closely, don't see all the strikeouts, don't see the defense, don't see the fact that he's unfortunately a platoon bat right now because he's got a 558 OPS versus left handed pitching.
46:48 --> 46:52 [SPEAKER_01]: He crushes righties, really, really, really does not hit lefties.
46:54 --> 47:23 [SPEAKER_02]: there is more development to be had with last montage and I think a decent amount of it before you can be talking about the idea of him in the big leagues i'm gonna give the last fans some hope and we're all last fans here let's let's spend on the optimistic side let me read you a slash one two twenty eight two ninety six four fourteen one oh six w r c plus twenty nine point six strikeout rate eight point eight percent walk rate
47:24 --> 47:25 [SPEAKER_02]: And who would that be?
47:26 --> 47:29 [SPEAKER_02]: That is, Cowrally's double A numbers.
47:31 --> 47:31 [SPEAKER_02]: All right?
47:32 --> 47:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, again, it can absolutely happen.
47:37 --> 47:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Cow was also a little older.
47:40 --> 47:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he was a little bit older.
47:41 --> 47:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Cow would have been 20, oh no, he was 22, last is 21 now.
47:46 --> 47:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
47:49 --> 47:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess it's not that much older.
47:50 --> 47:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Point being though,
47:52 --> 47:59 [SPEAKER_01]: different with a catcher because they knew the defensive value cow was probably going to provide behind the plate once he was ready.
47:59 --> 48:07 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm sure they said to themselves, okay, if he strikes out 30% of the time in the show, hit some home runs, but it's really good to defensively behind the plate.
48:08 --> 48:08 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll take it.
48:09 --> 48:10 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what a lot of big lead catchers do.
48:12 --> 48:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Last doesn't play catcher and he just doesn't really have a ton of defensive value right now.
48:23 --> 48:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Right and probably not as good of a defender unfortunately.
48:30 --> 48:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I know Rayleigh's been really bad out there defensively at least by the metrics this year, but he is a better athlete than lads.
48:38 --> 48:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I would say I mean, like they trust Rayleigh enough to go play a game in center field.
48:43 --> 48:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think you'd ever see lads Montez and center field.
48:46 --> 48:53 [SPEAKER_01]: So, again, he is a guy that's going to have to hit to get to the big leagues, because that's what the tool is.
48:54 --> 49:02 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think he needs to have further development in AA before we see him getting near the big leagues.
49:03 --> 49:03 [SPEAKER_02]: I agree.
49:03 --> 49:07 [SPEAKER_02]: I do think maybe not playing an Arkansas would help him out a little bit.
49:07 --> 49:09 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you've seen his home stats this year.
49:09 --> 49:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, they're crazy.
49:10 --> 49:15 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a it's a a chasm of a difference home and road on the road.
49:16 --> 49:17 [SPEAKER_02]: He is an 1100 OPS.
49:17 --> 49:22 [SPEAKER_02]: He's slogan over 700 and a 400 on base percentage at home.
49:22 --> 49:23 [SPEAKER_02]: He's got a five 15 OPS.
49:25 --> 49:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it a little concerning at all though that that's the case?
49:28 --> 49:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I understand that Dickie Stevens Park, the AA Park for Arkansas, is a really tough park to hit in.
49:33 --> 49:39 [SPEAKER_01]: But when you're that drastic in terms of your split's home versus road, is that not a little concerning?
49:39 --> 49:42 [SPEAKER_01]: There's other AA guys that aren't putting up splits like that.
49:42 --> 49:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Michael Royo hasn't had the greatest start to his season, but his splits aren't like that.
49:47 --> 49:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, look, I mean, Laz was the best prospect in baseball.
49:52 --> 49:54 [SPEAKER_02]: He wouldn't have home and road splits.
49:55 --> 49:56 [SPEAKER_02]: So is it concerning?
49:56 --> 50:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, that this tells us that Laz is not the best prospect and minor league baseball, but him not hitting and a really tough hitters part, and it really pitch your friendly park.
50:08 --> 50:10 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it's that telling for Laz.
50:10 --> 50:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Also, when he's a mariner eventually, he's not going to be playing at Dickie Stevens Park.
50:15 --> 50:21 [SPEAKER_01]: No, he also won't be playing in some of the Bambox
50:22 --> 50:24 [SPEAKER_01]: double a double a park.
50:24 --> 50:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's gonna get to play in Sacramento.
50:26 --> 50:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe.
50:27 --> 50:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
50:28 --> 50:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the Texas League has a couple of high hitters or hitters friendly ball parks, right?
50:35 --> 50:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they have some of them.
50:37 --> 50:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, we probably shouldn't harp too much on two months of home road splits in AA, point being the big thing here with Laz is because he is probably just going to be a bat first guy, most of his career.
50:48 --> 50:53 [SPEAKER_01]: You got to see the strikeout rate come down and you got to see him hit a little better against lefties.
50:53 --> 50:54 [SPEAKER_01]: That's going to be the key for him.
50:55 --> 50:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Because I don't think the Mariners envision him being a platoon bat in the big leagues.
50:58 --> 51:04 [SPEAKER_01]: At least in an ideal world, with the prospect pedigree, he has he's not a platoon bat.
51:04 --> 51:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Because a platoon dh is a bit of a
51:08 --> 51:10 [SPEAKER_01]: roll the carve out for yourself and the majors.
51:10 --> 51:12 [SPEAKER_01]: There aren't a lot of Platoon DHs out there.
51:13 --> 51:23 [SPEAKER_01]: There's either the DHs that can full-time DH and hit both sides, or there's the Platoon outfielders that'll bring a little bit of defensive value and play in the outfield when there's a variety on the mound.
51:24 --> 51:26 [SPEAKER_02]: And you shouldn't be Platoon DHing in the minors.
51:26 --> 51:33 [SPEAKER_02]: He's not DHing now, but if the mayor does project him to be a DH, then I would call him a Platoon DH in the minors.
51:33 --> 51:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
51:34 --> 51:50 [SPEAKER_02]: You should be able to do everything in the miners and then in the majors you figure out your role and what works best for you if you don't do that then there are already limitations to start that's why if you're like a platoon college bat I mean your name falls way down the draft you you got to be like the best player
51:51 --> 51:59 [SPEAKER_01]: That was part of the reason Jay's lava left fell down if I remember right because he was supposed to go on the top five back last winner I remember when the Mariners got the number three pick.
51:59 --> 52:10 [SPEAKER_01]: We were like, oh my god Are they gonna get lava left that'd be sick and then it turned out he wasn't really hitting lefties and there was a lot of swing and miss in his game Back to batting average he hit 260 in college
52:11 --> 52:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
52:12 --> 52:17 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like most of these guys won't be pro and you have an average batting average.
52:17 --> 52:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
52:18 --> 52:19 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not great.
52:19 --> 52:21 [SPEAKER_02]: It should be like 360 instead of you.
52:21 --> 52:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
52:22 --> 52:22 [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
52:22 --> 52:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk about Michael Royale.
52:24 --> 52:27 [SPEAKER_02]: He is slashing 253, 320, 390, exactly a 100 WRC plus with 5 homers.
52:28 --> 52:30 [SPEAKER_02]: 21% strikeout rate and 7% walk rate in AA.
52:37 --> 52:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, everything's a little bit down for him this year.
52:39 --> 52:41 [SPEAKER_01]: And look, he's still 21 years old.
52:41 --> 52:45 [SPEAKER_01]: He hasn't even played 100 double-aid games for somebody that's as young as he is.
52:45 --> 52:48 [SPEAKER_01]: So he may turn it on in the second half and start to figure it out.
52:48 --> 52:53 [SPEAKER_01]: But it is a little worry some that the walkwrights dropped this year.
52:54 --> 52:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Stregger rates a little bit up.
52:56 --> 52:57 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not really drastic.
52:57 --> 52:59 [SPEAKER_01]: It's about the same as it was last year.
52:59 --> 53:00 [SPEAKER_01]: It's up about a percent and a half.
53:01 --> 53:06 [SPEAKER_01]: But between the walkrate and then both the on-base and the slug being down for a royal,
53:06 --> 53:12 [SPEAKER_01]: For a guy that just absolutely matched it every level to minor league so far, this is the first real test he's enduring.
53:12 --> 53:22 [SPEAKER_01]: This is the first real sign of adversity that he's had to face because this is the first real stretch where he hasn't just lit the world on fire at some level and he's going to have to prove that
53:23 --> 53:31 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, for a guy that doesn't have a ton of defensive value and is also going to be a bat first guy, different way than last because it's not all going to come from power for a royal.
53:31 --> 53:36 [SPEAKER_01]: He's a guy that can get on base and can just get hits and will provide some power when he needs to.
53:38 --> 53:41 [SPEAKER_01]: But he's going to have to prove that he can dig his way out of this.
53:41 --> 53:48 [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to have to prove that he can rise above the double eye pitching because this is really the first sign of struggles he's had in his mind early career.
53:49 --> 53:51 [SPEAKER_02]: The month of May was much better for him.
53:51 --> 53:54 [SPEAKER_02]: The only thing really lacking from his May was walks.
53:54 --> 53:56 [SPEAKER_02]: The slash was 29933418.
53:56 --> 54:00 [SPEAKER_02]: So the average is high, the on base was low.
54:01 --> 54:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Usually for Michael Royale, if he's doing that is on base percentage, it'd be above 400.
54:06 --> 54:08 [SPEAKER_02]: In which I said to you, Lyle, he slash 299400418.
54:08 --> 54:12 [SPEAKER_02]: We were like, oh, that's pretty good for double-eye.
54:13 --> 54:14 [SPEAKER_02]: But that's not what he did.
54:14 --> 54:16 [SPEAKER_02]: That's kind of really,
54:17 --> 54:18 [SPEAKER_02]: one of the main concerns right now.
54:19 --> 54:23 [SPEAKER_02]: But that's not something you just look out after two months and say, oh, oh, it's just my goal Royale can't walk anymore.
54:25 --> 54:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's check in and see how that looks at the end of the season.
54:27 --> 54:30 [SPEAKER_02]: But a 751 OPS, if he does that in AA, I'd call that a win.
54:31 --> 54:32 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's fine.
54:32 --> 54:33 [SPEAKER_02]: It's about what Cole Young did.
54:34 --> 54:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Cole Young was a little bit better.
54:35 --> 54:36 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it was about a seven.
54:37 --> 54:41 [SPEAKER_02]: He had a seven, I'm trying to do math, which is 369 plus 390.
54:46 --> 55:10 [SPEAKER_02]: you want to let's just I said it's it's high seven hundreds that's what it is for collion because that's kind of the compiles looking at with a royal knowing that double is a tough place to hit and that a royal is a smaller and feel there it's like alright how do we measure success we would say collion had a successful stint in double egg given they left him there for a full season then promoted him to AAA and now he's a pretty young successful big leger
55:11 --> 55:13 [SPEAKER_02]: What is that going to look like for Michael O'Royo?
55:13 --> 55:18 [SPEAKER_02]: So, Cole Young in 2024 in AA was 31% better than League average as a hitter by WRC+.
55:18 --> 55:20 [SPEAKER_02]: He hit 271 with a 369 on base in a 390s slug.
55:26 --> 55:36 [SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of similar aspects to the slash line as there are from a royal, but I'd just say the biggest thing he's missing right now is the ability to get on base at a bit of a higher clip.
55:36 --> 55:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Then he's currently doing, I think if you can do that, he'll be able to get around the expected lack of power from him being a smaller frame and not the plus plus power tools that Alas Montez has.
55:49 --> 55:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree.
55:50 --> 55:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully the walks come back up because that's really the one thing missing, but again, this could be a positive for a royal.
55:57 --> 56:13 [SPEAKER_01]: He can prove that he can fight through the adversity where he's finally facing some challenges, which is not that surprising because this is usually where guys have to rise above some obstacles, because the jump from high A to AA is always the hardest in terms of jumps in the minor league.
56:13 --> 56:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously the jump to the big leagues is the hardest, but
56:17 --> 56:45 [SPEAKER_02]: hopefully he just finds a way to push through this because we know he's a really good hitter and hopefully we're looking up at the end of the year and he's back to drawn his walks and he's back to just getting on base and he's back to rack and up a bunch of hits and we're talking about him being ready for the big leagues in 2027 and if you were to project what the rest of the year looks like for Michael Royale it's probably to be just like Koyong I think I'll just stay in double earlier him unless they will spend the entire time trying to figure out Dickie Stevens park.
56:46 --> 56:54 [SPEAKER_02]: and try and hit a AA and then the Mariners will evaluate them both still as very young players next year in 2027 to see if they ever roll on this team.
56:55 --> 56:56 [SPEAKER_02]: How about Johnny Farmello?
56:56 --> 57:03 [SPEAKER_02]: He's slashing 239, 371, 386 with four homers, 14 stolen bases.
57:03 --> 57:06 [SPEAKER_02]: He's been 5% better than League average by WRC+.
57:07 --> 57:11 [SPEAKER_02]: 26% strikeout rate in a 16 and a half percent walk rate.
57:13 --> 57:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I will say his last two and a half weeks are pretty encouraging, because the last two and a half weeks Johnny's really started to heat up, which is great.
57:20 --> 57:22 [SPEAKER_01]: And his last two and a half weeks, he's hitting three, 15.
57:22 --> 57:29 [SPEAKER_01]: He's OPSing 884, he's got a 141 WRC plus, and his strikeout rates just above 20%.
57:29 --> 57:31 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a lot better.
57:31 --> 57:37 [SPEAKER_01]: That is more like the Johnny Farmello you'd want to see in high A for him to go get a promotion up to Arkansas.
57:38 --> 57:39 [SPEAKER_01]: As a whole, you're right.
57:40 --> 57:43 [SPEAKER_01]: It has not been the smoothest sailing to start the year.
57:43 --> 57:44 [SPEAKER_01]: The first six weeks were tougher.
57:44 --> 57:48 [SPEAKER_01]: First six weeks of the year, he was below the average unfortunately, as a hitter.
57:49 --> 57:51 [SPEAKER_01]: The strikeouts have been a little bit up.
57:51 --> 57:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Probably a little higher than you want to see him in high-eye.
57:54 --> 58:01 [SPEAKER_01]: But if you want to focus on what he's done as of late and the trend he's hopefully starting to set over the last two and a half weeks or so, it's been a lot better.
58:02 --> 58:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully it stays that way.
58:04 --> 58:17 [SPEAKER_02]: When I look at Johnny Farmello's season with as good as the last two weeks have been, it just kind of looks like right now he's stuck in neutral waiting to get back into gear that he was in before he got hurt.
58:17 --> 58:18 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I think.
58:18 --> 58:23 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think back to the beginning of last year when he was crushing before he got hurt.
58:24 --> 58:29 [SPEAKER_02]: I think back to how he looked in 2024 before he tore up his knee the first time.
58:30 --> 58:33 [SPEAKER_02]: We're not seeing that version of Johnny.
58:33 --> 58:34 [SPEAKER_02]: The speed is there.
58:34 --> 58:39 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he's playing center every day and he's stolen 14 bases already in the first 50 games of the season.
58:39 --> 58:40 [SPEAKER_02]: That's a positive.
58:41 --> 58:49 [SPEAKER_02]: But finding that consistently, consistency offensively is something he's getting back around to right now.
58:50 --> 58:56 [SPEAKER_02]: This is also a reminder that Johnny Farmello really hasn't played that much professional baseball at all.
58:56 --> 59:00 [SPEAKER_02]: He is barely played over 100 minor league games.
59:00 --> 59:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Get this.
59:01 --> 59:02 [SPEAKER_02]: It's June 3rd right now.
59:03 --> 59:08 [SPEAKER_02]: He's already played more games this season than he's played in a single season in his career.
59:09 --> 59:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I know, it's hard, and that could be part of the reason why he is not crushed lefties by any stretch yet.
59:16 --> 59:30 [SPEAKER_01]: His OPS against lefties is about 600, so obviously like, you want to see that go up as time goes on because you don't want him to be a platoon bat, you just want him to be a guy little crushed both sides, but yeah, he hasn't played a lot of games.
59:30 --> 59:34 [SPEAKER_01]: He really has not gotten his feet under him in terms of playing a lot of minor league game.
59:34 --> 59:37 [SPEAKER_01]: He played in the fall like for a bit last year, so he got some games that way.
59:39 --> 59:39 [SPEAKER_01]: you're right.
59:40 --> 59:48 [SPEAKER_01]: He just it is a matter of him for it is a matter for him of getting just abats and reps because he just hasn't had a ton of it.
59:49 --> 59:55 [SPEAKER_02]: So this is another scenario where we're saying it's good for Michael O'Roye on last month as to spend a full season at a level.
59:55 --> 59:58 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if Johnny's gonna spend the full season at.
59:59 --> 01:00:07 [SPEAKER_02]: at every, but what you would expect for Johnny for mellow is to just cram as many reps in as possible, so he can develop.
01:00:07 --> 01:00:10 [SPEAKER_02]: He just hasn't gotten that much opportunity to develop.
01:00:11 --> 01:00:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Cole Emerson dealt with injury issues, but Cole Emerson didn't deal with these kinds of injury issues.
01:00:17 --> 01:00:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Cole still got his reps.
01:00:19 --> 01:00:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Johnny is just really struggled to get his reps. Yeah, I remember Colton missed two weeks at some point with he found a ball off his foot.
01:00:27 --> 01:00:28 [SPEAKER_01]: There was a couple of things like that.
01:00:28 --> 01:00:29 [SPEAKER_01]: We're Colton missed a little bit of time.
01:00:29 --> 01:00:34 [SPEAKER_01]: But it was never over the stretch of a season or anything like that.
01:00:34 --> 01:00:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Which is why, look, I'm not going to pretend to get into the head of Johnny Farmello.
01:00:38 --> 01:00:42 [SPEAKER_01]: But just from even the mental side of this, I feel like it's got a
01:00:43 --> 01:01:04 [SPEAKER_01]: be tough at times for him this is a guy that was drafted six or seven picks right after Colt Emerson and those two are good friends and to see if you're Johnny you guys are the same age same draft class few picks apart and you see Colt with a new hundred million dollar contract currently putting up a 900 OPS in the big leagues.
01:01:05 --> 01:01:13 [SPEAKER_01]: and he's still in ever it because he's had multiple very very injury riddled seasons between the the rib and the knee.
01:01:14 --> 01:01:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's got to be hard, man.
01:01:16 --> 01:01:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Remember how good Johnny was before he got hurt?
01:01:19 --> 01:01:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, him and Colt were right on that same trajectory and then Johnny, is that to battle with a lot of injuries?
01:01:24 --> 01:01:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't imagine that's easy.
01:01:26 --> 01:01:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you can come up to you and you're like, that's unfair.
01:01:30 --> 01:01:42 [SPEAKER_02]: But why why why me I should have very least be in double a knocking on the doorstep of the big leagues or in triple a in Johnny's case of Johnny never gets hurt Johnny for me was probably in triple a right now.
01:01:43 --> 01:02:02 [SPEAKER_01]: at the very least double a and it's probably had some decent time in double a where he's probably getting close if he's playing well unfortunately he's really had to battle a lot of injuries now on the bright side i do think he'll be an arc in top before the end of the year i think eventually the maras are gonna push him up and if he keeps playing the ways played the last couple weeks
01:02:03 --> 01:02:05 [SPEAKER_01]: He'll be up there at some point this summer, which would be great.
01:02:05 --> 01:02:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I still love Johnny as a prospect.
01:02:07 --> 01:02:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I think Johnny Farmelo as a prospect if it all pans out is fascinating because he can play great, he could play great defense, he could steal 30 bags a year, he could hit 20 homers a year.
01:02:17 --> 01:02:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's got real value there.
01:02:19 --> 01:02:20 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a chance to be a fun player.
01:02:21 --> 01:02:25 [SPEAKER_02]: But he's been able to show a lot of patience this year, despite all the struggles.
01:02:25 --> 01:02:28 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, a 16 and a half percent walk rates pretty good.
01:02:28 --> 01:02:29 [SPEAKER_01]: It's good.
01:02:29 --> 01:02:31 [SPEAKER_01]: And hopefully he just keeps building on this.
01:02:31 --> 01:02:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Also, again, Johnny's in front of the pot.
01:02:33 --> 01:02:34 [SPEAKER_01]: So we wanted to do well.
01:02:36 --> 01:02:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Next up is the biggest breakout, I would say in the Mariners minor leagues this year, and that's felony in Celestine.
01:02:41 --> 01:02:52 [SPEAKER_02]: He is slashing three 15, 427, 464 with a 138 WRC plus and 18% strikeout rate in a 15% walk rate.
01:02:52 --> 01:02:56 [SPEAKER_02]: He had a 25 game hit streak in May.
01:02:56 --> 01:03:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Talk about re-establishing yourself within the Mariners minor league system in 2026.
01:03:03 --> 01:03:05 [SPEAKER_01]: to shout out felony, man.
01:03:05 --> 01:03:08 [SPEAKER_01]: What a, I mean, what a coming out party, seriously.
01:03:09 --> 01:03:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Remember when he signed and we thought, okay, this guy is gonna end up being the best prospect in the whole system.
01:03:14 --> 01:03:16 [SPEAKER_01]: He could be ahead of cult, he could be ahead of everybody.
01:03:16 --> 01:03:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Better than Julio.
01:03:18 --> 01:03:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what was the story that people thought just pure raw talent alone when he signed?
01:03:24 --> 01:03:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Had the chance to be greater tools than Julio?
01:03:27 --> 01:03:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
01:03:28 --> 01:03:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it hasn't been that way for a couple years now because he has really also battled some injuries.
01:03:34 --> 01:03:35 [SPEAKER_01]: He had his struggles last year.
01:03:36 --> 01:03:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Now he's healthy and he is just going, man.
01:03:39 --> 01:03:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Not only is he just absolutely crushing the baseball and hi-A.
01:03:44 --> 01:03:48 [SPEAKER_01]: But he's drawn his walks, strike out rate is totally manageable.
01:03:48 --> 01:03:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And how about this man, for a guy that's a switchheader, he's crushing it from both sides.
01:03:53 --> 01:03:54 [SPEAKER_01]: He does not have platoon splits.
01:03:55 --> 01:03:56 [SPEAKER_01]: He has perfect splits.
01:03:57 --> 01:03:59 [SPEAKER_01]: He is OPS and over 800 from both sides of the plate.
01:04:01 --> 01:04:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Does this tell you that Phelmine Selston is a top 20 prospect in baseball like Keith Law ranked him?
01:04:08 --> 01:04:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't Keith Law was aggressive on him.
01:04:10 --> 01:04:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I think he's always liked Selston, which is part of it.
01:04:12 --> 01:04:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I think he always liked tools.
01:04:15 --> 01:04:17 [SPEAKER_01]: probably need to seal a little bit more.
01:04:17 --> 01:04:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, like, and there's so many great people that do prospect rankings again.
01:04:21 --> 01:04:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, Jim Calls is a friend of the pod who's a legend in the industry and has done prospect stuff forever and is great with it.
01:04:27 --> 01:04:31 [SPEAKER_01]: And obviously, like, people like baseball America have done it forever and fan graphs has their own list.
01:04:32 --> 01:04:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I know I'm gonna sound biased because he's a friend of ours, but genuinely, I really do think arm does the best prospect breakdowns of anybody in baseball.
01:04:40 --> 01:04:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, if you read the details that he puts into every guy,
01:04:45 --> 01:04:49 [SPEAKER_01]: at I hold his opinions with about as much weight as anybody's.
01:04:49 --> 01:04:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think arms gonna have felony in his top 20.
01:04:52 --> 01:04:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna guess if you ask arm, he'll say, look, we need to see more of a volume.
01:04:56 --> 01:05:00 [SPEAKER_01]: And honestly, if we were to message arm, I'm sure that's a long line of what he'd say.
01:05:01 --> 01:05:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Also, I was just, yeah, let's see a little bit more.
01:05:03 --> 01:05:07 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's certainly a promising sign, man.
01:05:07 --> 01:05:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's certainly a sign that the felony is Celeste and we once hope for when he signed as an international prospect is still there.
01:05:15 --> 01:05:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, he's back in the top 100 in multiple outlets, which, like, he should give in his performance the first two months and some graduations.
01:05:22 --> 01:05:24 [SPEAKER_02]: He's definitely earned it and he's
01:05:27 --> 01:05:28 [SPEAKER_02]: I said reclaim at the start.
01:05:28 --> 01:05:31 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he's just sort of balancing out his offensive profile.
01:05:31 --> 01:05:42 [SPEAKER_02]: He's establishing his identity as an offensive player, which right now is a lot of contact solid power while able to get on base at a pretty good clip.
01:05:42 --> 01:05:44 [SPEAKER_02]: 15% walk rate for a 20 year old is pretty good.
01:05:44 --> 01:05:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, a near even strike strike out to walk ratio as a 20 year old from both sides of the play is pretty impressive.
01:05:53 --> 01:05:55 [SPEAKER_02]: And especially last year, I mean, that wasn't his
01:05:56 --> 01:06:01 [SPEAKER_02]: But this year in another year of development, I think it's worked out.
01:06:01 --> 01:06:13 [SPEAKER_02]: I remember talking to people that ever in asking like what the biggest thing that Felny needed to do, is he just kind of needed to focus a little bit more, and it seems like this year he's really taking that and run with it.
01:06:14 --> 01:06:14 [SPEAKER_02]: No doubt.
01:06:15 --> 01:06:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Is he going to be an Everett tomorrow?
01:06:17 --> 01:06:19 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm sorry, is he going to be an Arkansas tomorrow?
01:06:20 --> 01:06:20 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
01:06:21 --> 01:06:24 [SPEAKER_01]: But he is certainly trend in toward a promotion at some point, man.
01:06:25 --> 01:06:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I would bet you it's at some point in the second half of the year.
01:06:29 --> 01:06:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I doubt it happens pre-alstar break, but, come mid July is when I'd probably start looking at felony and salastine in a potential promotion.
01:06:40 --> 01:06:45 [SPEAKER_01]: If I had to guess, maybe early to mid August, and you let him spend the last six weeks of the year in AA.
01:06:46 --> 01:06:48 [SPEAKER_02]: I've given them the last month in Arkansas.
01:06:49 --> 01:06:50 [SPEAKER_02]: month is fine.
01:06:50 --> 01:06:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I might give them a little bit more than that.
01:06:52 --> 01:06:54 [SPEAKER_01]: It just depends on where he's at a month from now.
01:06:54 --> 01:06:59 [SPEAKER_02]: But if he has another 25 game hit streak between now and then, then he can go up sooner.
01:07:00 --> 01:07:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
01:07:01 --> 01:07:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Second half of the year is the point.
01:07:04 --> 01:07:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:07:06 --> 01:07:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Last hitter to talk about is Luke Stevenson slashing 246-425-410 the 130 WRC plus a 23% walk rate and a 24% strikeout rate and high AA average.
01:07:20 --> 01:07:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, first off, his walk rate is nuts.
01:07:23 --> 01:07:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Luke Stevens is walking almost a quarter of the time he's out at the plate.
01:07:27 --> 01:07:30 [SPEAKER_01]: So he's certainly got a good awareness for the strike zone, that's for sure.
01:07:31 --> 01:07:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe part of it is just the pitching in hi-A.
01:07:33 --> 01:07:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he draws some easy walks at points because not all hi-A pitching is exactly pounding the strike zone, but he certainly appears to have a pretty good feel for the zone because he's drawn his walks
01:07:46 --> 01:07:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Now it's been a little bit of a tale of two months form so far at the plate.
01:07:49 --> 01:07:51 [SPEAKER_01]: First month was absolutely out of this world.
01:07:52 --> 01:08:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Second month he hit under 200, but because of the walks in the on base, he had a 725 OPS and a 100 WRC plus in the month of May.
01:08:01 --> 01:08:06 [SPEAKER_01]: So first month was crazy, crazy good, second month was a little more normal.
01:08:07 --> 01:08:10 [SPEAKER_01]: What June will have in store for him will be a telling sign?
01:08:11 --> 01:08:13 [SPEAKER_02]: And this is totally fine.
01:08:14 --> 01:08:20 [SPEAKER_02]: I honestly think there's nothing here to evaluate with Luke Stephenson besides letting him play more games.
01:08:21 --> 01:08:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:08:22 --> 01:08:23 [SPEAKER_02]: The walks are great.
01:08:23 --> 01:08:27 [SPEAKER_02]: We always know he had the power and he had good control of the strike zone.
01:08:27 --> 01:08:31 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll see which one of these numbers normalize a little bit.
01:08:31 --> 01:08:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Once he gets more at bats and plays in more games.
01:08:35 --> 01:08:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:08:35 --> 01:08:38 [SPEAKER_02]: If he's not going to make as much contact,
01:08:42 --> 01:09:06 [SPEAKER_02]: and even still, the mayor's are probably not going to promote him if he's making as much contact as he made in May because the on but he was still getting on base plenty because the walks in in May, but the contact in the damage that he was doing in April was not there and that's ultimately how Luke Stevenson is going to become a big leaguer is if he does what he did at North Carolina and smacks about your home runs while playing good defense behind the plate.
01:09:07 --> 01:09:09 [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of cow rally, but right now it's.
01:09:10 --> 01:09:23 [SPEAKER_02]: It just kind of a lot of walks, and walks can't be the only thing you do offensively, because eventually pictures are just going to start throwing these strikes instead of throwing the ball out of the zone, and you're going to have to swing and hit the ball.
01:09:24 --> 01:09:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Agreed.
01:09:25 --> 01:09:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Now similar to felonine, I do think we'll see him in AA by the end of the year.
01:09:29 --> 01:09:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I won't be tomorrow, but I think, again,
01:09:33 --> 01:09:36 [SPEAKER_01]: target around that august range or later.
01:09:36 --> 01:09:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think we'll see Luke get his time in Arkansas this year.
01:09:39 --> 01:09:48 [SPEAKER_01]: If he somewhat stabilizes between what he did in April and he didn't make, nobody's expecting him to have the crazy month that he did in April every month.
01:09:48 --> 01:09:53 [SPEAKER_01]: But just as long as he's making a little more contact, and he can cut the strike out down a little bit.
01:09:54 --> 01:09:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we'll see him in Arkansas at some point.
01:09:56 --> 01:10:06 [SPEAKER_02]: What do you think is the chance that we're going to get all of Cade, Sloan, Las, Arroyo, Johnny, felonine, and Luke Stephenson all in the same team in Arkansas?
01:10:07 --> 01:10:08 [SPEAKER_01]: That's actually crazy.
01:10:08 --> 01:10:10 [SPEAKER_01]: That's going to be one of their best double eight teams ever.
01:10:11 --> 01:10:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Cade may be gone by the time they're all there, but everybody else, yeah, that's real.
01:10:18 --> 01:10:19 [SPEAKER_02]: What percent chance?
01:10:19 --> 01:10:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, sorry.
01:10:21 --> 01:10:21 [SPEAKER_02]: What percent chance?
01:10:21 --> 01:10:22 [SPEAKER_02]: It would be a pretty high percent.
01:10:22 --> 01:10:26 [SPEAKER_02]: I was mostly thinking is Luke going to get there in time for Kade.
01:10:29 --> 01:10:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Feels like now.
01:10:31 --> 01:10:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm with you.
01:10:32 --> 01:10:33 [SPEAKER_02]: I also feel like now again.
01:10:33 --> 01:10:36 [SPEAKER_01]: The murders can promote Kade Anderson tomorrow and I wouldn't blame twice.
01:10:36 --> 01:10:38 [SPEAKER_01]: No, not at all.
01:10:39 --> 01:10:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Alright, let's talk about our last prospect and this one I think is very well might be all of these other guys to the big leagues including Kate Anderson we've talked about him before he is Brock Moore you got promoted recently to double a if you want to hear his season stats here in 2026
01:10:57 --> 01:11:00 [SPEAKER_02]: out of the bullpen in on multiple levels in the minor leagues.
01:11:00 --> 01:11:02 [SPEAKER_02]: He has an O98 ERA.
01:11:02 --> 01:11:04 [SPEAKER_02]: He's currently striking out.
01:11:04 --> 01:11:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Get this low.
01:11:05 --> 01:11:14 [SPEAKER_02]: 54% of batters while walking just six and he has thrown this year 18 in a third innings.
01:11:15 --> 01:11:18 [SPEAKER_02]: He's also been on the older side, Brockmore as of today.
01:11:18 --> 01:11:21 [SPEAKER_02]: It's 26 years and 17 days old.
01:11:22 --> 01:11:26 [SPEAKER_02]: He's due to be in the big leagues at some point this year due to his age and the
01:11:27 --> 01:11:29 [SPEAKER_02]: as a reliever, he's probably too good for the miners.
01:11:31 --> 01:11:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's see him for a month or so in AA, because he just got promoted.
01:11:35 --> 01:11:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Most of the numbers you're referring to there was what he didn't ever at, which he was blowing people's doors off an average.
01:11:40 --> 01:11:42 [SPEAKER_01]: He was way too good for hi-A.
01:11:42 --> 01:11:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Now he's in AA and you're right that at 26 years old you could be subject to a big league call-up at just about any point.
01:11:51 --> 01:11:52 [SPEAKER_01]: But yes, he has a good month.
01:11:52 --> 01:11:56 [SPEAKER_01]: He's like five years older than the average AA player.
01:11:57 --> 01:12:00 [SPEAKER_01]: So, point being, he is a good month in AA.
01:12:00 --> 01:12:03 [SPEAKER_01]: We may see him in the big leagues by the All Star Break.
01:12:04 --> 01:12:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe shortly after the All Star Break.
01:12:06 --> 01:12:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Because, again, the Mariners are gonna want more leverage guys.
01:12:09 --> 01:12:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And if Brock Moore's striking people out like that, yeah, he's gonna get the call up.
01:12:15 --> 01:12:23 [SPEAKER_02]: A decision the Mariners are gonna have to make is, they have two different types of pictures sitting in their farm system right now that will be called up at some point this season.
01:12:24 --> 01:12:29 [SPEAKER_02]: They have the top prospects, Kate Anderson, Ryan Sloan, and then they have the Brock Morse.
01:12:29 --> 01:12:30 [SPEAKER_02]: He's not a top 100 prospect.
01:12:31 --> 01:12:41 [SPEAKER_02]: He's not a blue chipper, but he does one thing really, really, really well, and that one thing it fits like a glove on this Mariners team, and that's really felt.
01:12:41 --> 01:12:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Would you rather have a guy who always relieves
01:12:46 --> 01:12:57 [SPEAKER_02]: who has been just flat out dominant in the minor leagues called up to pitching your bullpen or do you want the number four pitching prospect in baseball who only knows how to start.
01:12:59 --> 01:13:04 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're talking about in July or August, give me Brock Moore if you're talking about in the postseason, give me Kade.
01:13:07 --> 01:13:08 [SPEAKER_02]: I would probably also take Kate.
01:13:08 --> 01:13:13 [SPEAKER_02]: I was actually kind of thinking about Ryan's Sloan because I feel Kate's going to start some games.
01:13:14 --> 01:13:17 [SPEAKER_02]: They're going to find a way to start Kate Anderson in the rotation.
01:13:19 --> 01:13:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Ryan Sloan, if he's going to be in the big leagues this year, is going to pitch out of the bullpen.
01:13:23 --> 01:13:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Would your rather have Ryan Sloan or Brock Moore?
01:13:28 --> 01:13:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, I think it depends on time of year.
01:13:31 --> 01:13:31 [SPEAKER_01]: And I
01:13:31 --> 01:13:50 [SPEAKER_01]: By that point, if we've seen two months of Brockmore from mid-July to mid-September, you might have an idea, would you say, okay, this is a guy I want to throw meaningful innings in October, or is this a guy we can send back to AAA or put it the very back of the bullpen is just emergency and have Ryan Sloan up in the bullpen for the postseason.
01:13:50 --> 01:13:58 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, what- Maybe it's a little unfair to Ryan Sloan because Sloan is pitching a level ahead and he's six years younger than Brockmore.
01:13:59 --> 01:13:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
01:13:59 --> 01:14:07 [SPEAKER_02]: So, Brockmore got to play against PIA competition, which Ryan Sloan also dominated last year, year younger than Brockmore.
01:14:08 --> 01:14:11 [SPEAKER_02]: A year younger than he is this year, and that's where Brockmore just was.
01:14:12 --> 01:14:15 [SPEAKER_02]: It's maybe we should just wait and see what Brockmore does in AA before we start.
01:14:15 --> 01:14:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Comparing to the top pitching prospects in all of baseball, but regardless, if this all pans out for the Mariners and Brockmore dominates in AA as well, strikes out 45% of Texas League players,
01:14:28 --> 01:14:33 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'd say, yeah, maybe give Brock more shot in the big league bullpen here soon.
01:14:33 --> 01:14:37 [SPEAKER_02]: And then if you establish himself in the big league bullpen, then maybe you don't need Ryan Sloan.
01:14:37 --> 01:14:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
01:14:39 --> 01:14:46 [SPEAKER_01]: It's fun time to be a mayor's prospect because there's a whole lot of them to break down and there is exciting, enticing things about every single one of them.
01:14:46 --> 01:14:51 [SPEAKER_01]: So we hadn't done a whole prospect of valuation and a prospect update here in a while.
01:14:51 --> 01:14:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And we figured, yeah, now's a good time to do so.
01:14:53 --> 01:14:54 [SPEAKER_01]: It's about June.
01:14:54 --> 01:14:55 [SPEAKER_01]: These guys have had two months.
01:14:56 --> 01:14:57 [SPEAKER_01]: So good time to do it.
01:14:57 --> 01:15:10 [SPEAKER_01]: So hopefully that gave you a big one-stop shop for everything you were looking for in terms of mariners prospects We'll keep you guys updated if guys are really doing anything unique throughout the year and maybe we'll see some of these guys at some point this year I would get I would bet at least a couple of them.
01:15:11 --> 01:15:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I would hope so.
01:15:12 --> 01:15:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah
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