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00:59 --> 01:22 [SPEAKER_00]: And we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Lair podcast part of the just baseball podcast network recording here on Thursday evening June 4th while he's back What a sad day You think you like after eight months or so you'd be fully mentally recovered to see carry carpenter on your TV again.
01:23 --> 01:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not
01:24 --> 01:30 [SPEAKER_00]: like it's going to be it's going to be war flashbacks and all this PTSD and yes, they won that series.
01:31 --> 01:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't care.
01:32 --> 01:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I am never ever getting over the atrocities that went down in that ALDS that nearly cost them an ALDS.
01:40 --> 01:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe this is the weekend we hire a cameraman to follow Lowl around.
01:45 --> 02:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Dude, I would just kill for like one of those like Netflix documentaries like a fly-all around town today of Kerry Carpenter and then the game comes on and all of a sudden we're getting like we're getting the like cross the room shot slightly bird blurred of Lyle and you can see the vein bulging when Kerry Park Carpenter walks to the plate.
02:05 --> 02:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Let me just say this to anybody listening in the morning or anybody who hasn't hopped on social media yet as as of the time you're listening to this podcast, you might want to check our social media channels on Friday morning because there is a post coming out.
02:19 --> 02:20 [SPEAKER_00]: So I would stay tuned.
02:22 --> 02:24 [SPEAKER_01]: What is your watching plan for for Kerry Carbender?
02:25 --> 02:26 [SPEAKER_01]: How are we approaching this?
02:28 --> 02:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, why don't I just turn the TV off every time he comes up?
02:36 --> 02:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, is there some benefit to that that the four times he's up every night?
02:40 --> 02:45 [SPEAKER_01]: You just turn it off What if he hits a homer when you turn it off?
02:47 --> 02:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean then I did my be any less man.
02:50 --> 02:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Well then I did my job, didn't I?
02:52 --> 02:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't have to fully watch it unfold in real time by the way
02:57 --> 03:15 [SPEAKER_00]: the type of home run is gonna trigger the carpenter meter here because I can't believe we still haven't made that mean that graphic I got to get on that and it's really too bad I haven't done it ahead of this tire series maybe if I whip it up in the next 12 hours or something we can we can make it happen but anyway
03:16 --> 03:21 [SPEAKER_00]: If it's a home running garbage time, whatever, I'll just, I mean, I'll probably laugh, but I'll struggle my shoulders.
03:21 --> 03:33 [SPEAKER_00]: If somebody faces the tiger's line up a third time through, doesn't get pulled out of the game, and carbon or crushes the home or off some ritey, like Castillo on Sunday, then yeah, I'm probably gonna be pissed.
03:35 --> 03:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Can you try and record yourself?
03:37 --> 03:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Please.
03:39 --> 03:43 [SPEAKER_00]: If he comes up a third time, well, actually all the Mariners starters are right handers.
03:43 --> 03:45 [SPEAKER_00]: The problem is we look this up pre-recording,
03:47 --> 03:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Brian Wu's been very good the first second and third time through the order all year so that he doesn't have that issue.
03:53 --> 03:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Bryce Miller doesn't really have a sample size the third time through the order.
03:57 --> 04:00 [SPEAKER_00]: He's seen eight hitters the third time around this year so it doesn't really count either.
04:01 --> 04:03 [SPEAKER_00]: The Castillo would be the only one.
04:04 --> 04:08 [SPEAKER_00]: The two guys with the problems the third time through were the same two guys that had the problems with it last year.
04:08 --> 04:10 [SPEAKER_00]: It's Kirby and it's Logan.
04:10 --> 04:12 [SPEAKER_01]: who conveniently miss Carrie Carpenter.
04:13 --> 04:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I know that would only add fuel to the fire of this series.
04:16 --> 04:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Like seeing Carrie Carpenter on the TV again is an issue and it's going to drive me nuts, but the fact that Kirby specifically Kirby is not pitching is going to ease the pain a little bit.
04:29 --> 04:31 [SPEAKER_01]: They just needed to bump him one day back.
04:31 --> 04:37 [SPEAKER_01]: They should have inserted Bryce to pitch ahead of Kirby and bump Kirby back just for our
04:39 --> 04:42 [SPEAKER_00]: If they did that, it would make me think that they're messing with us.
04:43 --> 04:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Somebody in that Mariners dug out, like, you know what?
04:46 --> 04:48 [SPEAKER_01]: No, they'd be messing with George Kirby, that's what they'd be doing.
04:49 --> 04:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think Kirby doesn't want to face Carrie Carpenter.
04:52 --> 04:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, no, considering the man's given up five home runs again, some in like 13 played appearances.
04:58 --> 05:00 [SPEAKER_00]: At the time of the home run, it was five for 11.
05:01 --> 05:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't believe we're making me live through this again.
05:05 --> 05:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm not.
05:06 --> 05:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you're going to live through it again.
05:08 --> 05:16 [SPEAKER_01]: When you plop down and they've show the lineup card for the Tigers today, and it's going to say, carry carpenter in the lineup.
05:16 --> 05:21 [SPEAKER_00]: But by you bringing this all up here, starting the episode with it, triggering me about it, which you knew you were going to do.
05:23 --> 05:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you want to talk about Wednesday's loss instead?
05:26 --> 05:26 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
05:26 --> 05:27 [SPEAKER_01]: No, okay.
05:27 --> 05:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, am I fine bitching and moaning about Kerry Carverner?
05:30 --> 05:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we've set podcast records for...
05:33 --> 05:40 [SPEAKER_00]: complaining about a series that they won, like for being pissed off over a series they won, we've seriously set podcast records for that.
05:40 --> 05:45 [SPEAKER_00]: But yes, am I, am I perfectly content sitting here going on a tangent about Kerry Carpenter?
05:45 --> 05:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, but I'm just saying, since you brought it up, it is now triggering all the flashbacks again of how in the world, at the top, after the home run, in game one of the ALDS,
05:59 --> 06:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Kirby had given up five homers the carbiner in 11 tries.
06:03 --> 06:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Kirby had a 930 OPS against them the third time through the order.
06:07 --> 06:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Carboner is a 900 plus OPS against right-handed pitching, a 600 OPS against left-handed pitching, and Gabe Spire dominating left-eas.
06:17 --> 06:17 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, you know what?
06:19 --> 06:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's get that Kirby ride it out in a one-nothing game where nobody's scoring the offense looks and neem it.
06:24 --> 06:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's just, let's just ride it out like why win the series three oh when you can perp like I'm not gonna say purposely but why win the series three oh when you can just go ahead and blow a lead and game one and send it to five having to face scooble twice.
06:38 --> 06:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean why not?
06:41 --> 06:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Well you know why.
06:43 --> 06:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh we know why.
06:45 --> 06:45 [SPEAKER_00]: We know why.
06:46 --> 06:47 [SPEAKER_00]: One man dog.
06:48 --> 06:49 [SPEAKER_00]: And you know who that is.
06:50 --> 06:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Listen, you said you were gonna trigger me with this and you are.
06:53 --> 06:56 [SPEAKER_00]: All the thoughts and all the emotions are coming back.
06:56 --> 07:04 [SPEAKER_00]: For anybody listening, I hope it's been made clear at this point that again, despite the Mariners winning that series, I'm not over that.
07:05 --> 07:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I won't get over that.
07:07 --> 07:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it was you'd be glad to know.
07:09 --> 07:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, again, that not only is Carrie Carpenter dominant,
07:13 --> 07:20 [SPEAKER_01]: pitchers third time through third time through this year, which he has a one thousand and fifty OPS third time through.
07:20 --> 07:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh good.
07:21 --> 07:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Does it make you feel even warmer and fuzzier that second time through he has an 1100 OPS against starting pitchers?
07:32 --> 07:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess most of those are varieties because the man doesn't play against lefties.
07:35 --> 07:39 [SPEAKER_01]: No, he has 11 played appearances all season long against lefties.
07:39 --> 07:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Good.
07:41 --> 07:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, see here we go, you're triggering it all again.
07:43 --> 07:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you remember AJ Hinch saying last year during the postseason that had the Mariners gone do one of the lefties in the bullpen?
07:51 --> 07:56 [SPEAKER_00]: They legitimately probably would have yanked Carpenter out of that game in that spot for Gemai Jones.
07:56 --> 07:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Like they would have taken them out of the game.
07:59 --> 08:03 [SPEAKER_01]: But they just like, girl, me, go out there and wear it.
08:05 --> 08:05 [SPEAKER_00]: incredible dude.
08:06 --> 08:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, again, I have said for as bad as the Bazardo Munoz thing was in game 7 of the ALCS because it was the it was the obviously more heightened significant move that ended up costing them their season by the nuts and bolts of the numbers.
08:22 --> 08:27 [SPEAKER_00]: What happened in game one against character partners to this day by decision making and by the numbers.
08:27 --> 08:29 [SPEAKER_00]: The worst decision I've ever seen made on a baseball field.
08:31 --> 08:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, lucky for you, this year's Mariners team is I think a little bit better equipped to handle carry carpenter given they have now two lefties in their bullpen and one of them is not Caleb Ferguson.
08:41 --> 08:44 [SPEAKER_01]: So you feel all warm and fuzzy now.
08:44 --> 08:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh great, they only had one last year who was maybe the second best lefty reliever in all of baseball and games.
08:49 --> 08:51 [SPEAKER_00]: My her only behind more home.
08:51 --> 08:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
08:52 --> 08:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Did they put him in a game one?
08:53 --> 08:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh no, they didn't.
08:54 --> 08:55 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
08:55 --> 08:55 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
08:56 --> 09:08 [SPEAKER_00]: No, and then people are going to say, well, in Game 5, you gave up a Homer, one, the odds of what happened in Game 5 with Carpenter hitting that Homer against Game Spire, or essentially, the odds of landing on the moon.
09:08 --> 09:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's, it's, or, I don't know, or a while going back to school.
09:13 --> 09:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, it does not happen.
09:16 --> 09:19 [SPEAKER_00]: So I, I had jaw on the floor when that happened in Game 5.
09:19 --> 09:23 [SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, that never happens, that at bat, or Game 5 is a whole.
09:25 --> 09:35 [SPEAKER_00]: If you just go to Gabe's firing game one, they win three to nothing, clean sweep it and are fully rested going to Toronto instead of having a depleted bullpen and needing Bryce Miller to go to the distance.
09:35 --> 09:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Which he did, and he dominated that start.
09:37 --> 09:41 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, again, look at the first 10 minutes we've spent on this podcast.
09:41 --> 09:51 [SPEAKER_00]: You should have known that with the Tigers on deck and the Mariners slated to play Detroit for three and us not getting to hash this out in eight months, you should have known it was coming back up.
09:53 --> 10:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Is this a good time to remind everybody that the Mariners won that series I've said it like two or three different times in this for a second You have no idea But I've said it.
10:02 --> 10:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I said they won the series.
10:03 --> 10:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I said we've set podcasts records for a amount of time Ranting and raving about a series that they won which is true Incredible I do not want to happen this week-in-law.
10:16 --> 10:17 [SPEAKER_01]: What should actually happen this weekend?
10:19 --> 10:21 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners should take two of three and
10:23 --> 10:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, for my own self-interest and for my best sake, I should be boycotting Carrie Carpenter of bats.
10:29 --> 10:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, good.
10:30 --> 10:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I might not fall boycott the Carrie Carpenter at bats.
10:33 --> 10:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the Meredith should sweet.
10:35 --> 10:38 [SPEAKER_01]: The tiger stink without school.
10:38 --> 10:39 [SPEAKER_01]: They're bad.
10:39 --> 10:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, they just swept the rays.
10:42 --> 10:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
10:42 --> 10:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, the rays might be a little bit of a paper tiger.
10:46 --> 10:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I've thought that for a bit, but still, it did just sweep.
10:49 --> 10:50 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll see what happens.
10:51 --> 10:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I think two of three you're on the road.
10:53 --> 10:55 [SPEAKER_00]: That's you take two of three.
10:55 --> 11:02 [SPEAKER_01]: That's and most importantly know no no person who will be named later in this podcast because we definitely need to talk about him.
11:02 --> 11:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we do.
11:04 --> 11:07 [SPEAKER_00]: But but by hitting at that or we are we done with carry carboner.
11:07 --> 11:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm never really done with carry carboner.
11:10 --> 11:12 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I mean, I just like to point out to everyone.
11:12 --> 11:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know people have like checked out the tiger's hitting stats.
11:17 --> 11:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I really hope we get a good start from Luis Castillo and a non-piggy back start where he actually has to throw six innings in a game or you'd want him to throw six innings in a game.
11:27 --> 11:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I think Bryce Miller's going to pitch pretty well on Saturday.
11:30 --> 11:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I know Bryan was going to pitch really well on today when this podcast comes out.
11:35 --> 11:43 [SPEAKER_01]: but of the everyday lineup of the Detroit Tigers, I mean, you're running out a ton of guys who are well below Lee Gavridge, and their bench is awful.
11:43 --> 11:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Like this is a bad team.
11:45 --> 11:54 [SPEAKER_01]: If you are a follower of our other channel as well, Bolpen Banner, we've had our good friend made the cut on YouTube, Jacob, on our channel multiple times.
11:54 --> 11:56 [SPEAKER_01]: He's a diehard tiger fan, watches every single game.
11:57 --> 11:58 [SPEAKER_01]: He said the season's over.
12:00 --> 12:02 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's June 4th, and he's serious.
12:03 --> 12:11 [SPEAKER_01]: So if that's how the vibe is, like two out of three should be minimum, but I'd expect the Mariners starting pitchers to pitch really well, and hopefully sweet.
12:12 --> 12:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I hope they do.
12:14 --> 12:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Let me know what Carrie Carpenter doesn't as a bat, because I may have to boycott.
12:19 --> 12:24 [SPEAKER_01]: What if he just goes like three for ten with two doubles, one run, driven in?
12:26 --> 12:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, do the Mariners still win two of three?
12:29 --> 12:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, I'll live with that.
12:32 --> 12:53 [SPEAKER_01]: the manners are also better equipped to this year is because what's what's been the favorite thing to do for the manners go to match ups as early as possible even when totally inconvenient we'll find out yeah i think we will although
12:55 --> 13:11 [SPEAKER_00]: If carbonor does come up, the third time through an order in a jam pack situation and a pivot point in the game, then I may have unfortunate, let's see now I'm contradicting myself because I'm trying to save my own head from exploding by saying I'll turn off the abat.
13:12 --> 13:17 [SPEAKER_00]: But to your point, if there's some pivotal moment in the game when he's up, maybe we will need a camera on me.
13:20 --> 13:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I think if it's the fifth inning, there's two runners on the Mariners only up one nothing you are setting up your phone to record.
13:27 --> 13:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
13:29 --> 13:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Two K, baby.
13:30 --> 13:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Although Kirby won't be pitching.
13:32 --> 13:47 [SPEAKER_01]: No, Kirby will not be pitching, but as long as Carrie Carverner doesn't leave the yard man imagine if he hits a walk off home run God like what if they leave Like what if the mergers are like throwing Not bizarre.
13:47 --> 13:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it would probably be moonios because you'd be the night that ain't
13:50 --> 14:04 [SPEAKER_00]: unless they try and save them for something say it's I don't know it's a tie game in the ninth and the tigers have the best part of their order coming up and carbon safe the crash on the mound sure and then carbon or walks it off or yeah if it's bizarre to or if it's whoever.
14:05 --> 14:06 [SPEAKER_01]: and carpenter walks it off.
14:06 --> 14:07 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a walk off over.
14:08 --> 14:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Sounds, sounds potentially traumatic for this podcast.
14:11 --> 14:21 [SPEAKER_01]: If you need any reason to listen to Monday's podcast, that is it right there because you'll get the full update on how we're both feeling after watching Kerry Carpenter for three games.
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16:13 --> 16:17 [SPEAKER_01]: We got a couple of Terrix scubal questions to start off Lyle because...
16:18 --> 16:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Our favorite Jeff Passen wrote a trade deadline preview on ESPN, noting fits for every single team and what did he decide on for the Seattle Mariners.
16:27 --> 16:32 [SPEAKER_01]: He said trade for tarick school to make your first world series ever.
16:33 --> 16:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, so of course we got to talk about it.
16:35 --> 16:37 [SPEAKER_01]: And the people want to hear about it too.
16:37 --> 16:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Pucci Delgado and Cameron Wolf are both wondering what a trade package looks like for tarick school.
16:44 --> 16:45 [UNKNOWN]: Man.
16:46 --> 16:47 [SPEAKER_00]: What a fun day.
16:48 --> 16:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I got to tell you, you have Jeff Passen put out this article.
16:51 --> 16:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm geared up for Kerry Carverner.
16:53 --> 16:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's Tiger's Mariners Glor.
16:55 --> 16:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Here this weekend.
16:57 --> 16:59 [SPEAKER_00]: So I will say this.
17:01 --> 17:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Do the Mariners still absolutely need a right-handed bat at the trade deadline?
17:04 --> 17:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
17:05 --> 17:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't let this conversation steer anybody away from the fact that you absolutely as the Mariners need to go get an impact right-handed bat at the deadline.
17:13 --> 17:13 [SPEAKER_00]: However,
17:15 --> 17:16 [SPEAKER_00]: trading for tarick school.
17:17 --> 17:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I've said this on episodes as of the last couple weeks before all this even popped up and before pass and wrote a article saying that if I'm the Mariners, I wouldn't trade for pitching at the deadline except if it's tarick school because it is such a difference maker in the ceiling and the possibilities that this team would possess if he is on the roster and pitching every five days.
17:40 --> 17:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Everything changes.
17:42 --> 17:43 [SPEAKER_00]: It's almost like
17:44 --> 17:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't look at Terriq's scuba as a pitcher.
17:46 --> 17:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Look at him as a baseball player.
17:49 --> 17:59 [SPEAKER_00]: You would be adding a baseball player that is objectively one of the five to seven best in the entire sport of all baseball players.
18:00 --> 18:07 [SPEAKER_00]: He is top five to seven and at his position, he is number one when he's healthy because I know he's currently injured and coming back from an injury.
18:08 --> 18:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I look at it like that.
18:09 --> 18:21 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you add a top five to seven baseball player to your roster to make a run in a world series, that's absolutely worth it, especially since it's only a rental.
18:21 --> 18:23 [SPEAKER_00]: And there's so many layers to this, right?
18:24 --> 18:31 [SPEAKER_00]: With the package you have to give up, what the Mariners do with all their pitchers, you know, is it ultimately worth it?
18:31 --> 18:35 [SPEAKER_00]: There's so many layers that we're gonna get into, but I just wanna preface it with that.
18:36 --> 18:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I would not let the idea of Terrax School being a pitcher, sway your decision one way or another.
18:42 --> 18:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Look at him as a baseball player and one of the games five best baseball players.
18:46 --> 18:48 [SPEAKER_00]: That's somebody you want on your team if you're trying to win a world series.
18:49 --> 18:51 [SPEAKER_01]: The word you're looking for is impact.
18:51 --> 18:55 [SPEAKER_01]: No one makes a bigger impact on the Seattle Mariners than Terrax School.
18:56 --> 19:04 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's even if you compare it to a Wilson Contreras, so I think is a better fit on this Mariners roster, but I want you to sit back and think as you're listening to this.
19:06 --> 19:14 [SPEAKER_01]: After watching what you watch last year with Terri Scooble, would Wilson contires make a bigger impact to this lineup or Terri Scooble bigger impact in the rotation.
19:14 --> 19:19 [SPEAKER_01]: In terms of like helping you win a series in the post season.
19:20 --> 19:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I would be terrible for me.
19:22 --> 19:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I watched what he did with the Mariners, the tigers were not that good last year, and terrible, dragged them nearly to the ALCS.
19:30 --> 19:38 [SPEAKER_01]: So, if you have the ability to add that, I would say you always listen and you always make an offer, and you see what makes the most sense for you.
19:40 --> 19:42 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's what I want people to separate.
19:43 --> 19:54 [SPEAKER_01]: impact like what's the best fit and what makes the most impact on your roster and I think that would be Terri Scooble on a question you allow if you are the option of trading for other Terri Scooble or Wilson Tintrares, who would you trade for?
19:56 --> 19:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Without thought I'm taking the name Terri Scooble and running to the podium.
20:01 --> 20:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm the same way, and it's crazy to think about because like Wilson Contreras sort of fixes a lot of the Mariners line up problems that they have with the ability to hit right-handed and being as consistent as you get, but I can't look around a way that Terri Schoobled doesn't make the most sense for this team.
20:20 --> 20:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Watching what he did to the Mariners last year, imagine getting some of the backup behind him from the pitching staff.
20:27 --> 20:29 [SPEAKER_01]: that he didn't have last year in Detroit.
20:29 --> 20:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Think of the falloff from Terriq school to the bullpen games and Jack Flaherty and all those other guys that the Tigers are running out against the Mariners last year.
20:39 --> 20:40 [SPEAKER_01]: It was a massive falloff.
20:41 --> 20:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Wouldn't have the same massive falloff in this Mariners rotation.
20:45 --> 20:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, dude, at a five game series, you would get school for two, woo for two, and then pick somebody else to go, game three.
20:57 --> 20:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, this is where we get everybody else comes out of the bullpen.
21:00 --> 21:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
21:02 --> 21:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Scary to think about.
21:04 --> 21:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I was about to say, for that fifth spot.
21:06 --> 21:09 [SPEAKER_01]: It'd be whoever you don't trade because let me get to the second part of this.
21:10 --> 21:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think a Terrac Scoobl trade gets done for the Seattle Mariners without a major league starting picture going back.
21:18 --> 21:20 [SPEAKER_01]: because otherwise, it doesn't work.
21:21 --> 21:22 [SPEAKER_01]: There are too many arms.
21:23 --> 21:29 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no way you could manage all of the egos, the personalities, etc.
21:30 --> 21:33 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're adding character school will not trading a big league starter off your team.
21:35 --> 21:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I honestly think the Mariners are more likely to trade a big league starter for Terrix Scoobled than they would be Kate Anderson a Ryan Sloan.
21:42 --> 21:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's way, way less likely to the point where it's just a flat out no that the Mariners would trade either Sloan or Kate for Terrix Gov.
21:50 --> 21:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they'd ever do it because you're not trading all that club control and all the upside they have for two months.
21:57 --> 22:00 [SPEAKER_00]: where it gets interesting is what is currently going on in the Mariners rotation.
22:01 --> 22:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the one guy you could absolutely say would not get traded, Brian Lue, he wouldn't get traded.
22:08 --> 22:11 [SPEAKER_00]: The rest of them is where it gets pretty interesting.
22:11 --> 22:17 [SPEAKER_00]: And to hash this out, is there a world that the package is just prospects for school?
22:17 --> 22:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess, I mean, I guess it's possible.
22:20 --> 22:23 [SPEAKER_00]: But again, where you run into problems with that with the Mariners is,
22:24 --> 22:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Your top prospects, and if you're still including Colt Emerson as a top prospect, are pretty much untouchable.
22:31 --> 22:35 [SPEAKER_00]: It feels like for a while now, the three guys, the Mariners, have said they will not move.
22:35 --> 22:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Colt Emerson, Kate Anderson, Ryan Sloan, and I don't think they should move those guys.
22:39 --> 22:44 [SPEAKER_00]: So if you're not going to move those guys, I don't think you can get it done with other prospects.
22:44 --> 22:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think Lazz Montez and Michael Arroyo get to done.
22:48 --> 22:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think the guys further down in the minor leagues get it done.
22:51 --> 23:08 [SPEAKER_00]: the tigers are going to want some club control big league players and probably big league pitchers to add some of the club control back that they wouldn't have in terrible in his final half a season here and in most cases yeah i was gonna say in most cases rentals do not cost as much
23:09 --> 23:12 [SPEAKER_01]: But Terriq Scooble has doesn't have a no trade clause.
23:13 --> 23:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Can't control where he goes.
23:14 --> 23:21 [SPEAKER_01]: He might be one of the most, he might be one of the five most valuable players to ever get traded at the deadline as a rental.
23:22 --> 23:27 [SPEAKER_01]: So this would be a totally new experiment for Major League Baseball to see what the ceiling of cost would be.
23:27 --> 23:31 [SPEAKER_01]: And pretty much every team, every contender at Major League Baseball could use Terriq Scooble.
23:32 --> 23:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
23:32 --> 23:35 [SPEAKER_01]: We're just gonna make a heck of a bidding war.
23:35 --> 23:38 [SPEAKER_01]: So you can't just get it done with prospects.
23:39 --> 23:46 [SPEAKER_01]: You're probably gonna have to throw in guys so either near Big League ready, or if you wanna win the bidding war, you're gonna have to trade a Big Leagueer.
23:47 --> 23:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't see them trading any of the position players.
23:51 --> 23:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you, would you trade coal, young?
23:54 --> 23:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess that seems to, that doesn't seem like something the Mariners would do.
23:57 --> 24:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, again, probably not, because again, he's got so much club control.
24:01 --> 24:06 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners need second basement, a second basement here to be a staple for them going forward, which he's going to be.
24:07 --> 24:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, I don't see it.
24:08 --> 24:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like we're not even going to mention the obvious ones.
24:11 --> 24:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, their center field or their catcher.
24:13 --> 24:15 [SPEAKER_00]: That's obviously not happening.
24:15 --> 24:16 [SPEAKER_00]: But they're not trading cult.
24:16 --> 24:18 [SPEAKER_00]: No, they're not trading coal, young.
24:19 --> 24:21 [SPEAKER_01]: They're not going to rest of the players on the roster.
24:21 --> 24:22 [SPEAKER_01]: You could not trade for Terri Schuble.
24:23 --> 24:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
24:24 --> 24:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
24:25 --> 24:27 [SPEAKER_01]: So that leaves the starting rotation.
24:27 --> 24:32 [SPEAKER_01]: And it comes down to, I think, these names, because I think Luis Casio's contract is untradable.
24:33 --> 24:35 [SPEAKER_01]: George Kirby, Logan Gilbert, Bryce Miller.
24:36 --> 24:58 [SPEAKER_00]: you're gonna have to trade one of those three to get this thing across the finish line i mean i hate to say it but do we have to throw a guy emerson and what that is it for yes yes we do it's probably four yet so i understand why people maybe getting cold feet and saying to themselves well i don't want to trade any of those guys for a rental
24:59 --> 25:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Let me lay something out for people here.
25:01 --> 25:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I did it in our social media posts.
25:02 --> 25:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Let me do it here for everybody listening.
25:04 --> 25:10 [SPEAKER_00]: To everybody that's currently sitting here listening to this and saying, I'm not trading any of our starting pictures for two months of Terriq school.
25:11 --> 25:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's say the Mariners don't do that, right?
25:13 --> 25:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's say they don't trade for school.
25:14 --> 25:16 [SPEAKER_00]: And they just roll with what they have.
25:17 --> 25:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Come 2027.
25:18 --> 25:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Here are the following names who are going to be rightfully fighting for big league time in the Big League rotation.
25:26 --> 25:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Logan Gilbert.
25:27 --> 25:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Brian Wu, George Kirby, Bryce Miller, Emerson Hancock, Luis Castillo, Kate Anderson, Brian Sloan, and when he's back from Tommy John Surgery, Logan Evans.
25:38 --> 25:44 [SPEAKER_00]: That is nine starters, teach nine starters who need big league innings.
25:45 --> 25:49 [SPEAKER_00]: And look, I went to ASU, I'm not good at math, I don't declare myself smart, anything.
25:50 --> 25:55 [SPEAKER_00]: But if the math I'm doing here is right, I don't know how the mariners carve out innings.
25:56 --> 25:59 [SPEAKER_00]: for nine different starters to get a serious bulk of big league time.
26:00 --> 26:00 [UNKNOWN]: No.
26:01 --> 26:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And I will tell you that as you said earlier, the two prospects are not getting traded.
26:06 --> 26:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Ryan Sloan and Kate Anderson.
26:08 --> 26:13 [SPEAKER_01]: A Ryan Sloan right now just got ranked as the number one pitching prospect in baseball for some outlets.
26:13 --> 26:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Kate Anderson got ranked as the number one pitching prospect in baseball for other outlets.
26:18 --> 26:24 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners have the best right-handed and left-handed pitching prospect and majorly baseball in the same system.
26:24 --> 26:26 [SPEAKER_01]: They don't really want to trade those guys.
26:26 --> 26:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's our law.
26:27 --> 26:28 [SPEAKER_01]: One of those guys could become an ace.
26:28 --> 26:30 [SPEAKER_01]: It could just work out for them.
26:30 --> 26:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Which would mean the Mariners say, yeah.
26:32 --> 26:35 [SPEAKER_01]: So we're not trading those guys with six years of control, not making any money.
26:36 --> 26:39 [SPEAKER_01]: So that leaves the other guys to trade and open up space.
26:39 --> 26:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, not only are they going to not trade those guys, but they're going to pave the way for those guys when they're ready.
26:44 --> 26:45 [SPEAKER_00]: So when they're ready,
26:46 --> 26:56 [SPEAKER_00]: If three of your future spots in your rotation are going to Brian Wu, Kate Anderson, and Ryan Sloan, if you want to lock those three in, hey, got to look at the others here.
26:57 --> 26:59 [SPEAKER_00]: You're not going to trade all of them, but one of them?
27:00 --> 27:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Look, man, we've had this discussion about George Kirby for a long time.
27:06 --> 27:09 [SPEAKER_00]: It's never seemed like he's going to sign an extension here.
27:10 --> 27:15 [SPEAKER_00]: So if he's not going to sign an extension, you're going to have to get some value back at some point for him.
27:15 --> 27:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Could you wait till he's a free agent, give him the QO, he rejects it, and you get the draft pick back.
27:20 --> 27:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
27:21 --> 27:35 [SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time, if you need to clear up space long term in your rotation to some extent, and your way of clearing it up is two months of the best picture on the planet to try to go win a world series.
27:36 --> 27:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, doesn't that sound a little enticing?
27:39 --> 27:41 [SPEAKER_00]: George Kirby, by the way, for as good as he started the year.
27:42 --> 27:48 [SPEAKER_00]: All of a sudden, in the last month, has gone back to being the same description of George Kirby, that Hembo's
27:49 --> 27:51 [SPEAKER_00]: described out for us multiple times when he's been on the pod.
27:52 --> 28:08 [SPEAKER_00]: If you don't remember what Paul Hemakitas, Hemo, friend of the pod and recurring guests has said multiple times about Kirby, is look, people get infatuated with the idea that he doesn't walk anybody, his strikeouts to walk ratios crazy, everything under the hood always looks good with him,
28:13 --> 28:26 [SPEAKER_00]: But he is a strike thrower, not a strike creator and because of it, it's led to him being a mid-rotation starter that's never truly fully maximized his potential because he's too much in the zone and gives up too much hard contact.
28:26 --> 28:34 [SPEAKER_00]: By the way, as we're sitting here on June the 4th recording, George Kirby's ERA is back over four and he's once again giving up the most hits in the American League.
28:38 --> 28:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I do feel like as we mentioned four,
28:42 --> 28:43 [SPEAKER_01]: So we mentioned four names.
28:44 --> 28:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I do feel like this mostly boils down to two.
28:48 --> 28:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Bryce has a lot of control and his stuff looks really good.
28:53 --> 29:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I also don't know with his track record, which has been really choppy, the tigers would take, would want him first, I'll say, at the very least.
29:03 --> 29:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Emerson Hancock also only has about two months of being a really good Major League starter.
29:12 --> 29:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, if they get to choose, sure, if he makes the all-star game and keeps this up and the Tigers say, okay, we have an all-star pitcher with what four years of control?
29:22 --> 29:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
29:23 --> 29:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's a lot.
29:24 --> 29:30 [SPEAKER_00]: It's something that can say, if they think it's real with Emerson, they may take that into consideration.
29:31 --> 29:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, if you look at Emerson's profile, again, we love him and all the success has been so awesome.
29:36 --> 29:39 [SPEAKER_00]: It is a very interesting profile.
29:39 --> 29:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Like there's a lot of really good and there's some stuff that says, okay, will this sustain?
29:46 --> 29:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Some regression markers, right?
29:49 --> 29:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
29:50 --> 30:02 [SPEAKER_01]: So honestly, I feel like the top two candidates for this, even from a value perspective, would be Logan Gilbert and would be George Kirby because those two guys have the least amount of control left,
30:03 --> 30:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Therefore, we'd make this look as crazy as this sounds, as least lopsided as possible.
30:12 --> 30:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Logan Gilbert might have more upside than George Kirby does as a starting pitcher.
30:16 --> 30:20 [SPEAKER_01]: But Logan Gilbert also has won last year of control and is one year closer to free agency.
30:21 --> 30:25 [SPEAKER_01]: If the Mariners have gotten from Logan Gilbert, a no, he's not resigning.
30:26 --> 30:27 [SPEAKER_01]: He's only got a year left.
30:29 --> 30:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Would you trade a year of Logan Gilbert for Terri Skouble for two
30:36 --> 30:41 [SPEAKER_00]: The other interesting part about that becomes do the tigers only want a year and a half a control.
30:42 --> 30:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Do they want the two and a half years of control of Kirby and say, that's the guy.
30:47 --> 30:49 [SPEAKER_01]: But then there's the Mariners perspective.
30:49 --> 30:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And the Mariners say, look, we have an established big lead starter with two years of control left.
30:55 --> 30:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Are we willing to trade that for tarick school?
30:59 --> 31:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
31:00 --> 31:00 [SPEAKER_00]: But again,
31:01 --> 31:06 [SPEAKER_00]: how are you gonna manage nine different big league starter that need innings.
31:07 --> 31:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not gonna say anyone's gonna be happy with this when it goes down.
31:12 --> 31:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I think there will be plenty of people out there grading trades who give the Mariners a losing grade in this.
31:18 --> 31:19 [SPEAKER_01]: This is what they have to do.
31:19 --> 31:21 [SPEAKER_01]: But that's the problem.
31:21 --> 31:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Like this is what they have to do because there's no way they're gonna be able to get to her school into that clubhouse without letting go of one of their starting pitchers.
31:31 --> 31:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, let's make that clear.
31:33 --> 31:35 [SPEAKER_00]: The evaluators in terms of values of the trade.
31:36 --> 31:43 [SPEAKER_00]: If the Mariners trade any of these starting pitchers for tarick scubal, it's going to be valued by the evaluators as an overpay by the Mariners.
31:43 --> 31:44 [SPEAKER_00]: There's just no doubt about it.
31:44 --> 31:45 [SPEAKER_00]: It can trollable.
31:46 --> 31:49 [SPEAKER_00]: proven big league starting pitching doesn't grow on trees.
31:49 --> 31:56 [SPEAKER_00]: So yes, of course that it's gonna be viewed as an overpay to give up potentially two and a half years of control for half of your school.
31:57 --> 32:14 [SPEAKER_00]: But again, if you do it, you get the best pitcher on the planet who totally changes the outlook of your entire team and entire pitching staff for a run at a world series in a wide, wide open American league that now has Aaron judge out for about the next two months.
32:15 --> 32:18 [SPEAKER_00]: as of Thursday when he revealed he had a fractured rib.
32:19 --> 32:20 [SPEAKER_00]: So he's gonna miss some time now.
32:21 --> 32:22 [SPEAKER_00]: It's wide open, man.
32:23 --> 32:31 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you think Terrix Scoobles help and you get out of the American League, then you go up against the Dodgers in the world series and you say to yourself, okay, well, we're gonna pitch Terrix Scoobles to with these games.
32:32 --> 32:33 [SPEAKER_00]: We love our odds.
32:33 --> 32:36 [SPEAKER_00]: We got a chance to beat the Dodgers in both those games on his shoulders alone.
32:37 --> 32:40 [SPEAKER_00]: And then you got to essentially take two of the next five.
32:40 --> 32:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
32:41 --> 33:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it totally changes the dynamic, having a guy like that with all the respect in the world, all the Mariners starters, who are very good, none of them are terrible, and the difference in sealing that he represents and he provides by taking the mound in a postseason star, it is just so far and away different than every Mariners starter, because the Mariners don't have a true ace.
33:04 --> 33:07 [SPEAKER_00]: They have top line pitching, but even as good as Brian
33:08 --> 33:10 [SPEAKER_00]: He is not quite an ace.
33:10 --> 33:14 [SPEAKER_00]: You could call him a number one at this point, but there's a difference between a number one and an ace.
33:14 --> 33:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Terrax School is an ace.
33:16 --> 33:17 [SPEAKER_00]: He is a stopper.
33:17 --> 33:18 [SPEAKER_00]: He is a dominator.
33:18 --> 33:21 [SPEAKER_00]: He is the best pitcher in baseball, who, by the way,
33:22 --> 33:45 [SPEAKER_00]: even in a quote unquote down here that's landed among the injured list is still posting a whip of under one and he's still running out of strike out to walk race and well actually the strikeouts are a little bit down this year so far through seven starts but as the area is two seven and he's got ridiculous stuff and he just changes everything he changes the whole outlook of your team
33:47 --> 33:52 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're looking at who wins and who loses this trade, there's one scenario in which the Mariners win this trade.
33:53 --> 33:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you know if that is?
33:55 --> 34:03 [SPEAKER_00]: As Cal Raleigh once said, and as Jake Taylor said, and Major League, win the whole fucking thing.
34:03 --> 34:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's it.
34:05 --> 34:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise, this will be a huge loss for the Mariners, giving up that kind of package.
34:11 --> 34:16 [SPEAKER_01]: for a starting peter for for two months of terrible who has no chance to resign here.
34:17 --> 34:18 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what they have to evaluate.
34:18 --> 34:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And this would this would require a total 180 from the strategy laid out in public by Jerry DePoto of giving yourself as many chances at the Apple as possible.
34:31 --> 34:32 [SPEAKER_01]: This is only giving you one chance.
34:33 --> 34:34 [SPEAKER_01]: This specific scenario.
34:35 --> 34:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Because you are trading one of your
34:41 --> 34:43 [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be one and done with Terrick Scooble.
34:44 --> 34:47 [SPEAKER_01]: They're going to have to swallow some pride if they want to get this thing done.
34:47 --> 34:52 [SPEAKER_00]: And to be clear on that part for people, most of you are probably aware, but just a highlight in case you were not aware.
34:53 --> 34:55 [SPEAKER_00]: He is a free agent at the end of the year.
34:56 --> 34:59 [SPEAKER_00]: He is seeking a contract of over $300 million.
34:59 --> 35:04 [SPEAKER_00]: And his agent, who's going to be spearheading this whole thing, is Scott Boris.
35:04 --> 35:09 [SPEAKER_00]: So the odds of Terrac Scooble signing and Seattle long-term are essentially zero.
35:10 --> 35:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Not just because Boris would probably never let him sign here, because again, as we mentioned, the Boris Mariners relationship is not perfect by any means.
35:19 --> 35:21 [SPEAKER_00]: And the Mariners would never offer him that type of contract.
35:21 --> 35:25 [SPEAKER_00]: So it is a rental, it is a flat-out rental, and you know that going into it.
35:26 --> 35:37 [SPEAKER_00]: All that being said, if you're looking to solve some of your log jam problem long-term, doesn't that potentially do a lot to fix it?
35:37 --> 35:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Because if you trade curvy, you get scuba, and then scuba walks, you walk into 2027 with what?
35:43 --> 35:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Logan Gilbert, Brian Wu, Bryce Miller,
35:48 --> 35:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Emerson Hancock, Louise Castillo, there's your five and that's if Kate Anderson doesn't break camp in the rotation.
35:55 --> 36:01 [SPEAKER_00]: If he does, there's a spot and if Anderson gets the spot, then again, you have Castillo waiting behind him.
36:01 --> 36:05 [SPEAKER_00]: You still have Ryan Sloan waiting behind him who will get his spot at some point and then you still have Logan Evans.
36:06 --> 36:10 [SPEAKER_00]: You still have three legit big league starters that will not make this rotation next year.
36:10 --> 36:15 [SPEAKER_00]: If you trade Kirby for school and school believes, I mean, there is still so much depth to be had.
36:18 --> 36:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like, aren't the Mariners a little bit do for a trade like this?
36:22 --> 36:27 [SPEAKER_00]: They have not really gone all out with a trade in the time that they built up this ridiculous farm.
36:27 --> 36:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, they did let, they got the best players at the deadline last year.
36:31 --> 36:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Different, different narrative.
36:33 --> 36:35 [SPEAKER_00]: They did get the best players at the deadline last year.
36:35 --> 36:36 [SPEAKER_00]: They absolutely did.
36:38 --> 36:43 [SPEAKER_00]: But to get Josh Nailer, they had to give up a reliever and a mid-level pitching prospect.
36:43 --> 36:45 [SPEAKER_00]: We love BG, love Brandon Garcia.
36:45 --> 36:46 [SPEAKER_00]: We got to see him this past weekend.
36:46 --> 36:47 [SPEAKER_00]: It was awesome to catch up.
36:47 --> 36:48 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's been great.
36:48 --> 36:50 [SPEAKER_00]: He's dominating for the D-backs right now.
36:50 --> 36:55 [SPEAKER_00]: But you gave up a reliever and a mid-level prospect for Josh Nailer.
36:55 --> 36:59 [SPEAKER_00]: For Gino, you gave up Tyler Lockley or Juan Burgos in 100 Cranton.
37:00 --> 37:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you made legit trades.
37:03 --> 37:06 [SPEAKER_00]: You didn't really take a hit on your farm to do it.
37:07 --> 37:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm talking about a trade like this, like Terrax Scoob-o, where you know it is gonna hurt, but it's also worth the potential reward.
37:16 --> 37:18 [SPEAKER_01]: There haven't been many opportunities to do that.
37:19 --> 37:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, this Terrax Scoob-o thing is literally never happened before.
37:22 --> 37:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, they did it with Louise Castillo because they gave up Edwin O'Royo and Noel V. Marte, and that has worked out.
37:29 --> 37:58 [SPEAKER_00]: But again, it's that's four years ago now and it built up I mean we wave up they build up a whole new wave of the farm since then I'm just saying you don't go out looking to do these sort of things unless you're a j prelar then you go looking for it But When an opportunity like this has the chance to present itself like this is what you build up a farm for man a hundred years ago The ability to do this The only other opportunity they really had I mean was was it this winner with Katel Martay But I think they rightfully chose not to do it
37:59 --> 38:08 [SPEAKER_00]: right so could tell marte might be the best second baseman in baseball he's not the best player in baseball he's not a top five player in baseball he's probably a top
38:09 --> 38:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Definitely not this year but what you thought you'd get out of them you'd hope you get a top 20 player in baseball You're talking a top five player in baseball with Terrick Scooble again.
38:21 --> 38:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't look at him as a pitcher Look at him as a baseball player you would be getting a top five player in baseball That you don't have to worry about the long-term effects of like you would with Ketel Marte Where you know you're taking on money on a long contract with a guy that's aging
38:35 --> 38:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Two months man, two months in a potential trip to the post season and a potential trip to the fall classic.
38:42 --> 38:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, I would, I would shell it out for Terrixgubble, like I would 100% trade for Terrixgubble.
38:51 --> 38:56 [SPEAKER_01]: So just so we have a clear, you're trading George Kirby for Terrixgubble if it is presented.
38:59 --> 39:00 [SPEAKER_00]: It would hurt man, but yes.
39:01 --> 39:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Because I don't, I'm not convinced he's going to sign the extension, and this is essentially your five with George Kirby, where unfortunately we've just seen the same things repeat itself.
39:12 --> 39:14 [SPEAKER_00]: He hasn't really taken the big jump that some other guys have taken.
39:15 --> 39:17 [SPEAKER_00]: The Logan Gilbert jump we saw in 2024.
39:17 --> 39:19 [SPEAKER_00]: The Brian Wu jump we saw in 2025.
39:20 --> 39:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Bryce Miller when he was fully healthy second half of 2024.
39:24 --> 39:26 [SPEAKER_00]: You've never really seen that from Kirby.
39:26 --> 39:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, he's had four win seasons
39:29 --> 39:55 [SPEAKER_00]: but you just see the same repeated things, where it is, again, he will have starts where he goes out there and punches out 12 and throws seven shut out, but there are a lot of starts, where he's too much in the zone, and he gives up too much hard contact and loud contact, and then you're looking up at his ERA's sitting at four, and he's leading the American League and hits aloud, while also, again, being a strike thrower, but not a strike creator.
39:55 --> 39:56 [SPEAKER_00]: He still doesn't really have an outpitch.
39:58 --> 39:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm in the same bugger.
39:59 --> 39:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I do it.
40:00 --> 40:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
40:00 --> 40:01 [SPEAKER_01]: It's time to win.
40:01 --> 40:05 [SPEAKER_01]: It is time to give yourself the best chance to win the world series, and I think that's what this does.
40:05 --> 40:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
40:06 --> 40:09 [SPEAKER_00]: And I will ask everybody in the comments, because I'm sure people are going to be split on this.
40:10 --> 40:11 [SPEAKER_00]: We're fully expecting people to be.
40:11 --> 40:11 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's good.
40:12 --> 40:13 [SPEAKER_00]: People should have different opinions on this.
40:14 --> 40:19 [SPEAKER_00]: But I would ask you this, like, because I know a lot of people like to just leave comments and say, no, I'm not doing that.
40:19 --> 40:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I would never trade for Terrix Google.
40:21 --> 40:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not giving up our pictures.
40:22 --> 40:24 [SPEAKER_00]: It's fine if you don't want to do it.
40:25 --> 40:33 [SPEAKER_00]: But can you leave us a comment and let us know what your long-term plan is with all nine of these starters and how you're going to make it work?
40:33 --> 40:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Because if your plan is not to go give one of these guys up for TerriXGoogle, can you explain to us what your long-term plan is?
40:39 --> 40:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And if your idea is trading some of these guys away, my rebuttal to you would be okay fine.
40:47 --> 40:51 [SPEAKER_00]: But if you want to trade some of these guys away and it's not for TerriXGoogle,
40:52 --> 40:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Who are you getting that's better and more valuable, man?
40:55 --> 40:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I know it's for two months, but I would genuinely love to hear in the comments what you would do.
41:00 --> 41:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't see how you get a better player out of this than Terri's Google.
41:03 --> 41:05 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that's your sign to go drop us a comment below.
41:05 --> 41:08 [SPEAKER_01]: We'd love to read those when we get to see those in the morning.
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41:56 --> 41:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Next question comes from Eric on Patreon.
41:58 --> 42:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Eric's question is, sounds like Cal we ready soon.
42:01 --> 42:02 [SPEAKER_01]: What should the M's do?
42:02 --> 42:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Should they send down the Hot Hitting Johnny Parada or DFA, Mitch Garver?
42:08 --> 42:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is getting tough, but did Parada playing on the back-to-back days give you any sort of signal?
42:16 --> 42:18 [SPEAKER_00]: It did ring a little bit of an alarm for me.
42:19 --> 42:22 [SPEAKER_00]: By seeing Parada catch the night game and then turn around and catch the day game.
42:23 --> 42:25 [SPEAKER_00]: means some alarms went off, man.
42:25 --> 42:28 [SPEAKER_00]: It kind of said to me, have the mariners found their new backup catcher.
42:29 --> 42:32 [SPEAKER_00]: They've certainly found their potential backup catcher in the future.
42:32 --> 42:38 [SPEAKER_00]: If you were gonna wait till the end of the year and then let parade a run with the job when Garver's contract is up.
42:39 --> 42:46 [SPEAKER_00]: But in terms of this year, I mean, I think it at least has to be on the table when Calacum's back because parade has really proven something.
42:47 --> 42:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Johnny's already been his valuables, Cal Rally this year.
42:50 --> 42:50 [SPEAKER_01]: By war?
42:53 --> 42:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Any chance they'd carry three catchers?
42:55 --> 42:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I think for a small time, I think they would do that.
42:58 --> 43:01 [SPEAKER_01]: But then at some point, they're going to need to do one of two things.
43:01 --> 43:04 [SPEAKER_01]: They're going to have to DFA Rob Ruffcider or DFA Mitch Garber.
43:05 --> 43:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, I don't see around a way around that.
43:07 --> 43:12 [SPEAKER_01]: They could send Patrick wisdom down technically, but then they'd be running with four and fielders and three catchers.
43:13 --> 43:14 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a bad ratio to half.
43:15 --> 43:17 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's no, the Brennan downman is back.
43:17 --> 43:18 [SPEAKER_01]: There'd be a little different.
43:18 --> 43:23 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no Brennan downman on the roster currently, who could play all those infield positions and back up.
43:24 --> 43:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Until that happens, I mean, I find it hard for them to go in any long stretch without DFA and one of those two.
43:31 --> 43:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I remember a couple of weeks ago, I said, circle today.
43:36 --> 43:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Today was an action day.
43:37 --> 43:39 [SPEAKER_01]: We didn't see anything about Rob Raff Snyder today.
43:39 --> 43:40 [SPEAKER_01]: It's been kind of quiet.
43:41 --> 43:45 [SPEAKER_01]: But at the Mariners, still like Mitch Garver enough as a right-handed bat.
43:45 --> 43:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I've seen this idea float it out there.
43:47 --> 43:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Mitch Garver becomes your new Rob Reff Snyder and Rob Reff Snyder could see if it.
43:51 --> 43:53 [SPEAKER_01]: So you get to keep your three catchers.
43:54 --> 43:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Just one doesn't catch at all.
43:55 --> 43:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Only catches in emergency.
43:57 --> 43:59 [SPEAKER_01]: He just be your right-handed hitting DH on the bench.
44:00 --> 44:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I guess in a pinch, Garver could play first.
44:03 --> 44:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I've seen him take a few reps out there at points during infield.
44:06 --> 44:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think the Mariners are looking to go do that.
44:09 --> 44:10 [SPEAKER_00]: But in a pinch, could he do it?
44:11 --> 44:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Probably for a game or a couple of innings.
44:14 --> 44:20 [SPEAKER_00]: But yes, if you like Garver that much, he could be a Rob Refts Knighter if you really want him to be.
44:20 --> 44:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Only thing is, it's not like Garver's exactly been lighting the world on fire.
44:24 --> 44:24 [SPEAKER_01]: No, we got not.
44:25 --> 44:28 [SPEAKER_01]: He's not in the world on fire compared to Rob Refts Knighter.
44:29 --> 44:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, sure.
44:31 --> 44:38 [SPEAKER_00]: But just for context, Mitch Garver does have just an 82 OPS+, and an OPS sitting at 623 for the year.
44:39 --> 44:40 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not like he's been great.
44:42 --> 44:52 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think like if you want me to directly answer the question, I think there's a world they would roll with three catchers for a short amount of time and make a decision then when calorie comes back.
44:52 --> 44:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think Johnny Parade is going anywhere.
44:54 --> 44:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I would be surprised if the production keeps up if he goes anywhere because he's really proven something.
45:00 --> 45:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I also think the pitchers like Garver too.
45:02 --> 45:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
45:03 --> 45:06 [SPEAKER_01]: At some point, the Mariners are going to need another right-handed battle in the roster.
45:06 --> 45:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Brennan Davis is hurt, by the way.
45:08 --> 45:09 [SPEAKER_01]: So he can't come up.
45:09 --> 45:11 [SPEAKER_01]: He can't beat that other right-handed bat.
45:11 --> 45:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Now that Robless is back, like he can play the outfield instead of Rob ref snider.
45:16 --> 45:41 [SPEAKER_01]: So if Rob Ressiders not playing the outfield as a right-handed hitter and he's not getting important right-handed at bats in the game and Mitch Garver has the opportunity to do it instead then what is he doing on the roster at that point right you already paid him as money he's getting no matter what right so that's what I think I think they're going to carry my official prediction Eric is that they're going to carry three catches for a little bit
45:42 --> 45:49 [SPEAKER_01]: to kind of prolong the decision, and then if I'm going to guess, I think they're going to DFA ref Snyder and make Mitch Garver a DH.
45:51 --> 45:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Unless ref Snyder really turns it around, because he had those few good games, there hasn't been much since then, we'll have to see what the next couple of weeks looks like.
45:59 --> 46:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, Patrick has a question on Patreon and says, guys, are we going to get a TJ redemption throw in Everett?
46:11 --> 46:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Might have to ask our guys up and ever about that.
46:14 --> 46:14 [SPEAKER_00]: You might need one.
46:15 --> 46:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they did joke about it.
46:16 --> 46:17 [SPEAKER_01]: We're up there.
46:18 --> 46:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, for good reason, you bounced it from in front of the mound.
46:20 --> 46:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
46:23 --> 46:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we are tentatively planning to go up there again at some point this year.
46:27 --> 46:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe when the mariner's get a very flashy first round pick that goes in place and ever for the rest of the season that we could potentially interview on the podcast.
46:38 --> 46:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Then I could get an opportunity but I need to practice.
46:41 --> 46:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I went in there cold turkey last time and so did you.
46:45 --> 46:46 [SPEAKER_01]: But you know what?
46:46 --> 46:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I'm a guy who just can't do it cold turkey.
46:48 --> 46:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I need to warm up and I need to practice a little bit.
46:52 --> 46:54 [SPEAKER_01]: before I go out there and throw.
46:54 --> 46:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I've said it before I'll say it again.
46:56 --> 46:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Playing catch was one of my least favorite parts of playing baseball.
46:59 --> 47:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I was terrible at it.
47:02 --> 47:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously everyone can see that now.
47:04 --> 47:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Which is that video.
47:05 --> 47:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Which doesn't really make any sense because it's the simplest part of the game.
47:09 --> 47:09 [SPEAKER_00]: No shit.
47:11 --> 47:14 [SPEAKER_01]: But I would throw the ball and I'd throw it over someone's head.
47:14 --> 47:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd spike it in the dirt.
47:16 --> 47:17 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was embarrassing.
47:18 --> 47:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And the coast looks over it, you was like, dude.
47:21 --> 47:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Throw it to his chest, I'm like, yeah, no shit.
47:25 --> 47:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Something mechanically is not sound in my throwing motion.
47:30 --> 47:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Listen, I'll give a plug to this for anybody who wants to start to save the event.
47:36 --> 47:40 [SPEAKER_00]: TJ and I are supposed to be playing in a celebrity softball game later this summer.
47:40 --> 47:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
47:40 --> 47:47 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's going to be, it should be early August, I believe it's going to be August third and it's going to be in Kirkland at Lee Johnson field.
47:47 --> 48:03 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll have more details about it in the coming weeks, but, man, if you want to see TJ put on a full seven innings and display a softball, you don't have to just see him, you could come out, not just see him play catch, you can see him hit, feel my head fine.
48:04 --> 48:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm sure it is.
48:05 --> 48:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Actually, when we played, I am softball in college.
48:11 --> 48:11 [SPEAKER_00]: You were fine.
48:11 --> 48:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you could hit.
48:12 --> 48:14 [SPEAKER_00]: We were the only two that hit home runs.
48:15 --> 48:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, yours like rolled past them fielders, right?
48:18 --> 48:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I hit it in the gap and there was no fence.
48:20 --> 48:20 [SPEAKER_00]: It's still counts.
48:22 --> 48:22 [SPEAKER_00]: It was.
48:23 --> 48:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Mine might have been a little more majestic.
48:25 --> 48:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's put it like that.
48:26 --> 48:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you had some majestic shots.
48:27 --> 48:28 [SPEAKER_01]: That's fine.
48:28 --> 48:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I was trying for majestic shots, but ended up hitting a line drive.
48:31 --> 48:32 [SPEAKER_01]: But you know what?
48:32 --> 48:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Every hitting coach in America would pat me on the back and say nice job.
48:36 --> 48:36 [SPEAKER_00]: They would.
48:37 --> 48:42 [SPEAKER_00]: But the type of baseball we believe in would very much sign up for the bombs.
48:42 --> 48:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I was hitting an intramural softball.
48:43 --> 48:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Like there, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna spend all this time on it, but there were a couple that I really crushed.
48:49 --> 48:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway.
48:51 --> 49:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I think you need a redemption to throw your first pitch at some point and I think you might have a chance to make some make up some redemption A people come out and see you play softball in a couple months.
49:00 --> 49:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you'll hit a home run It would be so sick to hit a home run over that outer fence though.
49:06 --> 49:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Actually.
49:06 --> 49:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know That might be a little tricky.
49:09 --> 49:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I've been training for this.
49:11 --> 49:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I've got so I never hit a home run at Lee Johnsonfield when I was in high school I was dying to I didn't have enough power and I was in high school to do it
49:19 --> 49:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Now I'm like, maybe, I might honestly need to practice and take the pictures are really slow.
49:26 --> 49:37 [SPEAKER_00]: They are, I was kind of trying to think back to our intramarial softball games and thinking of myself, oh, when any of those balls I had have gotten out at Lee Johnson, if you hit it right down the line, down the link.
49:38 --> 49:41 [SPEAKER_00]: So maybe I need to, you hit some far ones.
49:42 --> 49:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I need to practice before that game.
49:44 --> 49:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe we need to take some swings.
49:47 --> 50:08 [SPEAKER_01]: at the very least you might hit a home run over the like the celebrity softball game fans which will probably yeah that i mean that i don't i feel pretty confident if i get it near and i pull it yeah it's only like what 200 feet but the outer fences that might be a little tricky oh i also never hit one over in a game i thought i could when i was 18 but i never never got the opportunity to
50:08 --> 50:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, will you never play the game at Lee Johnson right in Kirkland?
50:11 --> 50:12 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I never did.
50:12 --> 50:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so there's an alleyway out in the left center that's absurd.
50:15 --> 50:16 [SPEAKER_00]: It's 425 feet.
50:16 --> 50:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think anybody's ever hit a home run out of it.
50:18 --> 50:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe a dead pull then.
50:19 --> 50:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, or maybe I'll go up, though.
50:21 --> 50:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the only over the fence home run I hit in Little League was Office of Field.
50:26 --> 50:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, that was a nice way to get derailed on the podcast.
50:29 --> 50:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Patrick did want to just see you get your redemption and ever it, which at some point maybe you will.
50:33 --> 50:38 [SPEAKER_00]: And in addition, you know, I don't want to leave Patrick's note short that he sent us.
50:39 --> 50:44 [SPEAKER_00]: He said, just setting love, you guys make being a Mariners fan more fun when things are good and more tolerable when things are not.
50:45 --> 50:47 [SPEAKER_00]: and you just wanted to give us a shout out.
50:47 --> 50:47 [SPEAKER_00]: So thank you, Patrick.
50:47 --> 50:48 [SPEAKER_00]: That was really nice.
50:48 --> 50:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, Patrick.
50:49 --> 50:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's awesome.
50:50 --> 50:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much, Patrick.
50:51 --> 50:55 [SPEAKER_01]: But all your guys have supported the reason that we can keep doing this.
50:55 --> 50:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Just like as much as you guys tell us, thank you.
50:58 --> 51:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Like the thank you gets turned around and thrown right back at you because the only reason we can do this is because of you guys.
51:05 --> 51:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
51:05 --> 51:07 [SPEAKER_01]: So thank you so much.
51:07 --> 51:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Seriously.
51:08 --> 51:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Definitely.
51:10 --> 51:20 [SPEAKER_00]: And last thing on your first pitch, maybe you need to get a first pitch back and effort at some point, because who knows if one day you're asked to throw a first pitch somewhere that's even more elevated than that with more people watching.
51:20 --> 51:21 [SPEAKER_01]: A fair point.
51:21 --> 51:22 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to get some practice on.
51:23 --> 51:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Fair point.
51:24 --> 51:26 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, next one up is Michael on Patreon.
51:26 --> 51:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Michael's question is, what other teams in the American League now that we're in June, do we think will be the biggest challengers to the Mariners?
51:35 --> 51:38 [SPEAKER_00]: The one that just sticks out like a sore thumb is the Yankees.
51:38 --> 52:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I know Aaron Judges just went on the I.L., but when he comes back assuming that Yankees make the playoffs, which they should, to have to go into a series in the playoffs, playing a Yankees team that you almost always struggle against, and not only just have to see judge, but have to see a rotation of now Garacol, Max Fried, Carlos Rodon,
52:04 --> 52:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a ham slitler.
52:05 --> 52:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, duh.
52:06 --> 52:07 [SPEAKER_00]: How did I forget slitler?
52:07 --> 52:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Who's honestly got a shot to win the Saoyong all of a sudden?
52:10 --> 52:12 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a tough rotation to go up against.
52:12 --> 52:13 [SPEAKER_00]: And by the way,
52:14 --> 52:17 [SPEAKER_00]: We're talking about the mariners going in trading for tarick scooble.
52:17 --> 52:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Mariners aren't going to be the only team interested in them.
52:20 --> 52:23 [SPEAKER_00]: You think that team in the Bronx ain't interested in trading for tarick scooble?
52:23 --> 52:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I almost guarantee they are.
52:25 --> 52:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And if they go and get them, I do not want any part of the Yankees in the playoffs.
52:29 --> 52:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Because then you're going up against the five of scooble, coal, freed, Schlittler, Carlos Rodon.
52:37 --> 52:38 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a death travel.
52:38 --> 52:39 [SPEAKER_01]: You're just out match at that point.
52:39 --> 52:40 [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to lose the series.
52:41 --> 52:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and and they already don't play the Yankees well to begin with.
52:46 --> 52:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Yankees can offer up a Clint Frazier and Miguel Indu Har.
52:51 --> 52:53 [SPEAKER_00]: If they bring them out of retirement, they might.
52:54 --> 52:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the Tigers will take Frazier and Indu Har for school.
52:59 --> 53:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they'll request a swap instead of Clint Frazier and Indu Volpi.
53:03 --> 53:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh good.
53:04 --> 53:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they'll be right.
53:04 --> 53:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Yankees fans are going to try and trade
53:11 --> 53:16 [SPEAKER_00]: In all seriousness though, it's not even just the Yankees pitching because their rotation really is lethal this year.
53:16 --> 53:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, it's getting judge back and with him not even mentioning the fact that Ben Rice who is going to be a slam dunk all star this year is leading baseball in OPS.
53:27 --> 53:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he is just broken out in a massive, massive way.
53:32 --> 53:33 [SPEAKER_00]: in 2026.
53:33 --> 53:34 [SPEAKER_00]: He was already good before.
53:35 --> 53:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Now he's on an absolute surge, and that's with an offensive.
53:39 --> 53:41 [SPEAKER_00]: It's pretty stacked around that, too.
53:42 --> 53:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you have Belinger, and you have Jazz Chism, and again, you have Rice, and then you have Judge, and look, Stanton's old, but you can't ever take, you can't ever not take him seriously, because he'll pop on if you make a mistake.
53:54 --> 53:56 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a line about what we really want to see.
53:57 --> 54:01 [SPEAKER_01]: It's easily the most talented team outside of the Mariners, right, not even particularly close.
54:01 --> 54:21 [SPEAKER_01]: If you look at the other quote unquote, good teams around the league, it's Cleveland always chokes and not really depth wise as talented as the Mariners or as the Yankees, and then it's the race who might just be good, but that's about it, not especially deep in any specific way.
54:27 --> 54:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no.
54:27 --> 54:31 [SPEAKER_01]: You'd be garricle, kind of scares me, like he's healthy.
54:32 --> 54:35 [SPEAKER_01]: In the post season, he will have not needed to pitch a full workload.
54:36 --> 54:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
54:37 --> 54:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
54:38 --> 54:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
54:39 --> 54:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I get, and you want to get to the world series, you're probably going to have to get through that team at some point.
54:45 --> 54:48 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you want to get through the Yankees, you're going to need pitching, man.
54:48 --> 54:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Especially going up against those four that they already have.
54:51 --> 54:55 [SPEAKER_00]: So all the more reason the scuba thing is pretty interesting.
54:55 --> 54:58 [SPEAKER_00]: So, look, aside from the Yankees, I know you mentioned Cleveland.
54:59 --> 55:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess there's still probably a chance the BlueJays get healthy and figure this whole thing out in the second half of the year because they are really, really still not healthy.
55:07 --> 55:11 [SPEAKER_00]: And if they get healthy, there's still a world they can end up being pretty good.
55:11 --> 55:12 [SPEAKER_00]: But right now it's the Yankees.
55:13 --> 55:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Next question comes from Jacob on Patreon.
55:16 --> 55:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Jacob's question is, what are you guys' top three favorite sports to watch or follow?
55:20 --> 55:23 [SPEAKER_01]: For him it's baseball, UFC and football.
55:24 --> 55:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Now are we separating college and pro with some of these sports or just sports?
55:30 --> 55:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Whatever you want?
55:32 --> 55:46 [SPEAKER_00]: So my list would be if it's just sports, baseball, then football, then basketball, if I had to separate them, I would say baseball, NFL, college football, and college football, man, it sucks.
55:46 --> 55:53 [SPEAKER_00]: They used to be number two, and I love the NFL, but I truly loved college football for a long time.
55:53 --> 55:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately, the product has just gotten worse and worse and worse with all the transfer portal stuff.
55:59 --> 56:02 [SPEAKER_00]: that it's hard to really latch on to anything as a fan now.
56:02 --> 56:05 [SPEAKER_00]: So, those would be my two orders.
56:07 --> 56:11 [SPEAKER_01]: My list is actually very recently changed as of the last couple of months.
56:12 --> 56:14 [SPEAKER_01]: The top two stayed the same as always.
56:14 --> 56:19 [SPEAKER_01]: It's baseball and it's football, because I don't think anything will ever unseep those two for me, because that's what I grew up with.
56:20 --> 56:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Those are the two things I spend the most time watching.
56:23 --> 56:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Number three for me now is F1, like I've really I think over the last like month and a half especially I've really like I've started listening to podcasts I've been watching like I actually like I'm very interested in it's I've been for so long like looking for something else besides like the normal stuff we do to be interested in because there are there's so many hours in the day but and I only can listen to so much baseball stuff it's like what else can sort of stimulate me
56:50 --> 57:16 [SPEAKER_00]: and like peak my interest and right now it's it's have one like I'm I'm I'm fully like I'm in on it like I feel like I understand so much more of and watching drive to survive as well it's been great honestly I had a feeling you were gonna say that yeah you started a very refreshing way you've started to watch a lot of it so yeah I think that checks out yeah it is funny when you say you can only listen to so much baseball on the day we already listen to a lot and it's hard because we have so many friends
57:18 --> 57:23 [SPEAKER_00]: in the industry and so many friends in baseball content that I want to listen to everybody's stuff.
57:23 --> 57:28 [SPEAKER_00]: But there's only so many hours in a day and a lot of it is us having to record our own content.
57:29 --> 57:34 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's true like I do want to watch everybody that we're friends with and it's hard too because there's only so much time between.
57:35 --> 57:50 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, throw out a few names on the list between our giraffe neck mark and fuzzy and Trevor May and our friends at just baseball and Jacob from made the cut and our other friend Jacob from and that's baseball like there's so many and that's not even the half of it that's not even a fraction of it.
57:51 --> 57:55 [SPEAKER_00]: There's so many people we know that do baseball content now that we're friends with that I'd love to listen to everybody.
57:56 --> 57:58 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just heart because there's only so much time in a day.
58:00 --> 58:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Remember when we got the question about hobbies the other day?
58:03 --> 58:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
58:05 --> 58:16 [SPEAKER_01]: It kind of made like, it didn't make me realize that I didn't have any hobbies because like we have, we have hobbies, but like I don't know following another sport, it classifies as a hobby.
58:16 --> 58:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like a hobby needs to be something that's not, since we do work in sports, it needs to be something non-sports related.
58:23 --> 58:34 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's at least like something different and something else like a different thing that you can find a passion for that sort of balances your life out a little bit and gives it just gives you like something else.
58:34 --> 58:42 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like for the people who love to like draw or read books like it is just a balance that is something completely different than what you do all the time.
58:44 --> 58:47 [SPEAKER_01]: to to devote some energy into and I think that's what that's been for me.
58:47 --> 58:49 [SPEAKER_01]: So I've actually really liked it.
58:49 --> 58:53 [SPEAKER_01]: It's been very refreshing to have like a have something else to look at.
58:53 --> 58:56 [SPEAKER_01]: That's just told it's so different from baseball.
58:56 --> 58:58 [SPEAKER_01]: It just it could not be any different anymore different.
58:59 --> 59:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Who is this we are referring to about hobbies?
59:05 --> 59:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Fairpoint.
59:06 --> 59:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Dude, I've said it
59:11 --> 59:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Like most of my life consists of baseball and yeah, like watching football and basketball, but it ain't much else It's kind of it.
59:20 --> 59:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I like to I like to exercise Yeah, I'm pretty simple person Well, there's always a chance while you get to a point where you might consider having a hobby.
59:32 --> 59:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean that'd be
59:34 --> 59:35 [SPEAKER_00]: That'd be great.
59:35 --> 59:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd have to find something I'm really interested in and passionate about and then I'd also have to find the time.
59:39 --> 59:40 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, we'll see.
59:40 --> 59:40 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what?
59:40 --> 59:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll keep people posted.
59:42 --> 59:45 [SPEAKER_00]: If people want us to just hobbies, you can drop them in the comments.
59:45 --> 59:49 [SPEAKER_00]: You're also talking to somebody who absolutely despised every single second he spent in school.
59:49 --> 59:52 [SPEAKER_00]: So you are choosing from a small pack of things here.
59:53 --> 01:00:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Lucky you you could you or the one who gets to choose what you want to do no one's forcing you to do anything correct I'm just saying it's if people do throw out suggestions I'm not saying I won't be open to them.
01:00:03 --> 01:00:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying I won't read them I just may not do them Before we get to our next meal bad question.
01:00:09 --> 01:00:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll do one read that
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01:00:50 --> 01:01:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Cade on Patreon asks if Julio keeps up offensively and his defensive metrics start to improve is it's safe to say he'll probably get his best shot of his career to win MVP.
01:01:02 --> 01:01:07 [SPEAKER_00]: There are some big F's there, but yes, if the defense really turns around.
01:01:08 --> 01:01:08 [SPEAKER_00]: for sure.
01:01:09 --> 01:01:12 [SPEAKER_00]: We tweeted out a few days ago when Julio hit a home run.
01:01:12 --> 01:01:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it was during the Diamondback series that if not for his defense, we could be having legit MVP conversations right now.
01:01:19 --> 01:01:20 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's true.
01:01:20 --> 01:01:23 [SPEAKER_00]: We got some people responding, saying, what are you talking about?
01:01:23 --> 01:01:25 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a bunch of people ahead of them.
01:01:25 --> 01:01:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And then we had some people responding, saying, what do you mean if not for his defense?
01:01:29 --> 01:01:30 [SPEAKER_00]: He's a great defender.
01:01:30 --> 01:01:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, usually he's a great defender.
01:01:33 --> 01:01:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately, right now, none of the metrics favor him, not defensive runs saved, not out to above average, not fielding run value, none of it does, and it's impacted his war which does go into MVP voting at this point, whether you like it or not.
01:01:48 --> 01:01:54 [SPEAKER_00]: If Julio really does turn all the defense around, for sure we have a chance to be talking MVP with him.
01:01:54 --> 01:02:01 [SPEAKER_00]: But instead of being a three plus win player right now, which by the offensive numbers and production he's put out so far,
01:02:02 --> 01:02:12 [SPEAKER_00]: you'd think would equate to that if he was playing his usual defense, unfortunately his win-total sits at about under one and a half because the defense just hasn't been there.
01:02:12 --> 01:02:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to turn this into a math equation and to answer your question, Cade.
01:02:17 --> 01:02:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
01:02:18 --> 01:02:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
01:02:18 --> 01:02:23 [SPEAKER_01]: This is his best chance based off his offense if his defense corrects itself.
01:02:23 --> 01:02:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
01:02:25 --> 01:02:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Most guys who win MVP the last 10 years.
01:02:29 --> 01:02:34 [SPEAKER_01]: The bot, the floor, is seven and a half baseball reference wins above replacement.
01:02:34 --> 01:02:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Floor, Julio Rodriguez is on pace right now for four and a half wins above replacement on baseball reference.
01:02:40 --> 01:02:42 [SPEAKER_01]: The number is going to have to improve.
01:02:43 --> 01:02:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Even if he looks as good as he has in his whole career and that he could win MVP, that number is going to have to get up to about seven and a half, which would be a career high for him.
01:02:55 --> 01:02:57 [SPEAKER_01]: He'd have to do something he's never done before.
01:02:58 --> 01:03:03 [SPEAKER_01]: to win that MVP because that's the number, they're gonna look at at the end of the season for him to get there.
01:03:03 --> 01:03:13 [SPEAKER_01]: The difference between baseball reference and fan graphs of people are curious, he's at one and a half baseball reference, wins above replacement, he's at 1.1 fan graphs, wins above replacement.
01:03:13 --> 01:03:23 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's the difference between 4.5 and 3.3 win pace for the entire season, which funny enough, we're talking MVP.
01:03:23 --> 01:03:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Those would be the worst marks of his career by far.
01:03:26 --> 01:03:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I was just going to say that by F. War, it's absolutely the worst mark of his career.
01:03:29 --> 01:03:30 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm baseball reference.
01:03:30 --> 01:03:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it would be too.
01:03:32 --> 01:03:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Here's what we mean.
01:03:33 --> 01:03:39 [SPEAKER_00]: If he was playing elite level defense right now, Bobby Witt doesn't have absurd offensive numbers right now.
01:03:39 --> 01:03:40 [SPEAKER_00]: He's been very, very good.
01:03:41 --> 01:03:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, let's not take anything away from Bobby with Jr. who's one of the best players in baseball.
01:03:44 --> 01:03:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's certainly one of the best offensive players.
01:03:47 --> 01:03:58 [SPEAKER_00]: But right now, Bobby Witt is running out in OPS over 800, again, not off the charts, but over 800, and he has a 125 WRC+.
01:03:59 --> 01:04:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Bobby Witt is currently top five in Major League Baseball and war to be exact.
01:04:04 --> 01:04:08 [SPEAKER_00]: He sits at second at 3.7 behind showhail time.
01:04:08 --> 01:04:16 [SPEAKER_00]: So Bobby Witt, because of the defense and because of the speed, even though the offensive numbers aren't as absurd as they sometimes are with him,
01:04:17 --> 01:04:24 [SPEAKER_00]: he's still right in the running for MVP because he's been so good in his other aspects of the game, which was always supposed to carry Julio.
01:04:25 --> 01:04:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Julio right now for his season is running out of WRC plus of 120, so it's not that different than what's that.
01:04:32 --> 01:04:36 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's after a couple of just so-so games over the last handful of contests.
01:04:37 --> 01:04:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Earlier, again, like a few days ago against the
01:04:45 --> 01:04:48 [SPEAKER_00]: He's got a 1.1 fan-graphs war right now.
01:04:49 --> 01:04:58 [SPEAKER_00]: And the reason for that is because while Bobby Witch Jr has been one of the game's best defenders, Julio is unfortunately been one of the worst outfield defenders in Major League Baseball by the metrics.
01:04:59 --> 01:05:00 [SPEAKER_00]: It sucks.
01:05:01 --> 01:05:02 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not fun to talk about.
01:05:02 --> 01:05:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want Julio to be like that.
01:05:04 --> 01:05:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I want him to be an elite defender like you always is, but it's just the reality.
01:05:07 --> 01:05:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just reading what's out on paper.
01:05:10 --> 01:05:13 [SPEAKER_00]: And unless something drastically changes,
01:05:14 --> 01:05:16 [SPEAKER_00]: he is going to have a tough time winning the MVP.
01:05:17 --> 01:05:29 [SPEAKER_01]: If you want an optimistic take, Julio still has a chance to win MVP, which is there's four months ahead of him, and if he not crushes those four months, he has a still as a solid chance to win MVP.
01:05:30 --> 01:05:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Because if he was in the national league, it's already over.
01:05:33 --> 01:05:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:05:34 --> 01:05:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you want to guess how many wins, Joe Hayo Tonnis on pace for this year?
01:05:38 --> 01:05:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I know it because we've been looking at it, but yeah, tell the people.
01:05:41 --> 01:05:46 [SPEAKER_01]: He's on pace for a 15 war season, which in case people were curious, has never been done.
01:05:47 --> 01:05:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Babe Ruth never did that.
01:05:50 --> 01:06:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we've always wondered what it would look like if at every point, everything was in the 100th percentile with show, because there's been years where he's been dominant on the mound and then not as great at the plate and then there's certainly been years where he has absolutely a lead at the plate, but he either hasn't pitched because of Tommy John surgery or maybe the ERA wasn't as good as it often can be, right?
01:06:13 --> 01:06:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Like there's been years with show, hey, on the mound where if you go down to his pitching numbers, which
01:06:17 --> 01:06:21 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, takes a while of scrolling on on baseball reference.
01:06:22 --> 01:06:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Oton is had years where he's had a flip of about four and an ERA of about 3.2, which is still really good.
01:06:29 --> 01:06:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, a 3.2 ERA is still very good, but he's one MVP because of doing the both combined.
01:06:36 --> 01:06:41 [SPEAKER_00]: We've never seen a year where he has been a top two pitcher in baseball and a top two hitter in baseball.
01:06:42 --> 01:06:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Right now we're seeing it show hey, it's June man.
01:06:46 --> 01:07:02 [SPEAKER_00]: It's June and show has an O7 for ERA while running out an OPS of 941 and leading the National League and on base percentage Right now this is the show hey that you dream about in a video game coming to life 15 wins.
01:07:02 --> 01:07:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean good lord
01:07:04 --> 01:07:06 [SPEAKER_01]: 70 million dollars might not have been enough.
01:07:07 --> 01:07:08 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
01:07:08 --> 01:07:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Remember when the mariners publicly balked at the money for show hey and said yeah they like it's just not worth it?
01:07:13 --> 01:07:14 [SPEAKER_00]: That's weird.
01:07:15 --> 01:07:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh-oh.
01:07:16 --> 01:07:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, contract would have already paid for itself.
01:07:19 --> 01:07:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Literally already.
01:07:20 --> 01:07:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah.
01:07:20 --> 01:07:22 [SPEAKER_00]: That must have been a really good business decision.
01:07:24 --> 01:07:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Next question comes from Alex on Patreon.
01:07:26 --> 01:07:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Alex is question is, if JP's bat stays hot for the rest of the season and is selfless transition at third base goes well, do we see potential for him staying in Seattle beyond this season?
01:07:38 --> 01:07:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's potential because it's what he wants and he's publicly said that he wants to be a mariner for life.
01:07:45 --> 01:07:50 [SPEAKER_00]: It's more going to be about to the mariner's want to pay him the money to bring him back long term.
01:07:51 --> 01:07:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Could they pay him to be a utility infielder, especially if he learned some second base?
01:07:55 --> 01:08:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's possible because he's still been a productive bat.
01:08:01 --> 01:08:07 [SPEAKER_00]: He's still provided impact by drawing his walks and having a good feel for the strike zone and running into some power every now and then.
01:08:08 --> 01:08:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's possible.
01:08:10 --> 01:08:11 [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be about the dollar figures though.
01:08:12 --> 01:08:18 [SPEAKER_00]: If JP wants ten plus million dollars a year on his next contract, the mariners aren't going to pay him that.
01:08:18 --> 01:08:23 [SPEAKER_00]: If JP will take five million dollars a year on his next contract, they might.
01:08:24 --> 01:08:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Or if JP wants to multi your deal, which I doubt the mariners would do.
01:08:28 --> 01:08:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I could see the mariners resetting JP Crawford to a one-year contract.
01:08:34 --> 01:08:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Because right now,
01:08:36 --> 01:08:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I've no idea who the mayor is third baseman is next year.
01:08:40 --> 01:08:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, hope you can't you can't rule up right in Donovan at third base.
01:08:44 --> 01:08:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yeah.
01:08:46 --> 01:08:49 [SPEAKER_01]: So where do you put these JP's not been any better on defense?
01:08:50 --> 01:08:57 [SPEAKER_01]: But in this hypothetical scenario, JP Crawford looks a little bit more comfortable at third base and it better suits where he is as a defender.
01:08:58 --> 01:09:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Like we watch Brennan Donovan at third base, it was not great and also Brennan Donovan's best skills, the fact he can play multiple positions.
01:09:04 --> 01:09:08 [SPEAKER_01]: So if he's staying at one position that makes him less valuable.
01:09:09 --> 01:09:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I think you'll likely see the most Brennan Donovan next year in left field.
01:09:15 --> 01:09:20 [SPEAKER_01]: So, in summary, I think it would be possible because I think the Mariners still have holes on their infield next season.
01:09:21 --> 01:09:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And you'd sign him hoping JP Crawford would not slump at the plate and he'd hit more like he would this year.
01:09:28 --> 01:09:31 [SPEAKER_01]: The issue with JP Crawford is he's kind of like this up and down his career.
01:09:31 --> 01:09:33 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're watching on YouTube, you can see my arm.
01:09:33 --> 01:09:35 [SPEAKER_01]: He goes up and he goes down and he goes up and he goes down.
01:09:35 --> 01:09:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes he's half or centuries and he completely disappears at the plate and that's something the Mariners are going to need to sort of head John here.
01:09:45 --> 01:09:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Zander has a great question on Patreon, an honor of all star voting starting, who are some of the most perplexing slash shocking all stars that the Mariners have had to represent them.
01:09:57 --> 01:10:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think there's any that take the cake over Daniel Vogelbach.
01:10:02 --> 01:10:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I know in 2019 they had to send somebody and his first half was pretty good.
01:10:07 --> 01:10:11 [SPEAKER_00]: To look back and see that Daniel Vogelbach was a Mariners all star is absurd.
01:10:13 --> 01:10:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I think you say Kukuchi given his history is also on there, and you say it was a bad mariner.
01:10:19 --> 01:10:29 [SPEAKER_01]: He's good in the first half of 2021, so you can make a case, yeah, he could have been there, but you say it was also on that all-sortim because the rest of the mariner's roster was very unappealing to the public.
01:10:29 --> 01:10:32 [SPEAKER_01]: And at that point, I don't think they were very good.
01:10:32 --> 01:10:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I think at that point, they were about a 500 team.
01:10:35 --> 01:10:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Dude, he didn't even pitch in that all-star game.
01:10:37 --> 01:10:38 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
01:10:38 --> 01:10:41 [SPEAKER_01]: No, remember he was supposed to and he took himself out.
01:10:41 --> 01:10:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you left.
01:10:42 --> 01:10:43 [SPEAKER_01]: No, he left.
01:10:44 --> 01:10:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, remember that?
01:10:46 --> 01:10:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yeah.
01:10:48 --> 01:10:52 [SPEAKER_01]: So he left the all-star game and then he got yanked out of the rotation at the end of the season.
01:10:52 --> 01:10:54 [SPEAKER_01]: So very on-brand, you say, Kukuchi.
01:10:55 --> 01:10:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't speak for any of the guys in like the 70s and 80s because like we didn't watch them.
01:11:01 --> 01:11:18 [SPEAKER_01]: they might stay on paper but also remember not everyone at TV back then they were they were voting for the all-star game off of off of newspaper boxhours which makes it a little bit tricky you know the one that i had circled besides those two two thousand six hoes a low pass
01:11:20 --> 01:11:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh boy, Jose Lopez was not the most spectacular man of Mariner and he wasn't really a no six either Even though he made the all-star game with get this an 89 OPS plus That is something and Jose Lopez was not a great defender either.
01:11:38 --> 01:11:44 [SPEAKER_01]: No, so that's a little perplexing to me But I Daniel Volkowak is the king of that castle a great
01:11:46 --> 01:11:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Next question comes from Evan on Patreon, Evan's question is, let's be optimistic.
01:11:52 --> 01:11:58 [SPEAKER_01]: What if over the next several starts, Luis Castillo is as good as any of the other mariners starters?
01:11:58 --> 01:12:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you keep the six-man rotation all season or do you go to something else?
01:12:04 --> 01:12:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I think eventually somebody's gonna have to go to the bullpen.
01:12:07 --> 01:12:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they can run the six-man all year.
01:12:09 --> 01:12:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Somebody's gonna have to be moved at some point.
01:12:12 --> 01:12:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Which again goes back to this entire Tarex school conversation of the mariners are going to have to figure out how to manage all these pictures long term, because there's just not gonna be enough room and innings for all of them.
01:12:24 --> 01:12:31 [SPEAKER_00]: For this year, I do think by the time you get past the All Star Break to the Trade Deadline, perhaps,
01:12:33 --> 01:12:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Somebody is going to move to the ballpen and the decision is going to be made on somebody and it's a likely Luis Castillo.
01:12:41 --> 01:12:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I think they could go to six a six main rotation in spurts.
01:12:46 --> 01:12:52 [SPEAKER_01]: But, say Luis Castillo starts pitching as well as Bryce Miller's been pitching, then someone's just going to get their feelings hurt.
01:12:53 --> 01:12:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, right.
01:12:55 --> 01:12:57 [SPEAKER_01]: There's just no room for all of you in this rotation.
01:12:58 --> 01:13:02 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not feasible for us to run a six-man rotation and be a man down on the bullpen all season long.
01:13:03 --> 01:13:03 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
01:13:05 --> 01:13:14 [SPEAKER_01]: That, in that scenario, it would be less of a case of missing, like, a Brian Weustart, because in this hypothetical, everyone's pitching really well at once.
01:13:14 --> 01:13:17 [SPEAKER_01]: And everyone, I'm, I'm hypothetically putting on the same plane.
01:13:19 --> 01:13:21 [SPEAKER_01]: But this comes back to having more depth than your bullpen.
01:13:21 --> 01:13:23 [SPEAKER_01]: And you need the depth than your bullpen.
01:13:23 --> 01:13:24 [SPEAKER_01]: So sorry, guys.
01:13:24 --> 01:13:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, someone's going to have to go to the bullpen.
01:13:26 --> 01:13:27 [SPEAKER_01]: It's unfair.
01:13:27 --> 01:13:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Life is unfair.
01:13:28 --> 01:13:32 [SPEAKER_01]: But got to be, in that sense, you got to be a team player.
01:13:32 --> 01:13:34 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's what, that's what would need to happen.
01:13:35 --> 01:13:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Final question of the mailbag comes from Eric on Patreon.
01:13:39 --> 01:13:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Eric's question is, let me read it.
01:13:43 --> 01:13:49 [SPEAKER_01]: So he says, Eric says that money ball says, how can you not be romantic about baseball?
01:13:50 --> 01:13:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Eric's question is, what are one of those baseball most moment recent or historic that you think of?
01:13:57 --> 01:14:02 [SPEAKER_00]: So if you want to Mariners one, the two I think of, if you want one that's really recent,
01:14:04 --> 01:14:06 [SPEAKER_00]: all the symbolism behind Colt Emerson's home run.
01:14:07 --> 01:14:08 [SPEAKER_00]: We're pretty enticing.
01:14:08 --> 01:14:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, the fact that went over Jared Kellinux head, and he was the 20-year-old prospect that Homer didn't his second game, just like Kellinux did, to right field, just like Kellinux did.
01:14:19 --> 01:14:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And it was almost, I don't wanna say a passing of the torch because Kellinux had been gone a while, but the symbolism were definitely a big, how can you not be romantic about baseball moment?
01:14:30 --> 01:14:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Talrawley's is also absolutely on there when he ended the drought in 2022 because again, like for everybody that's suffered for 20 years.
01:14:39 --> 01:14:41 [SPEAKER_00]: For it to end with a moment like that was crazy.
01:14:42 --> 01:14:48 [SPEAKER_00]: The fact it was one of your stars, it was off the bench, it was a walk off home run in the ninth inning.
01:14:48 --> 01:14:49 [SPEAKER_00]: How do you even script that?
01:14:50 --> 01:14:55 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a very real world the Mariners could have gone up against the A's that night who are a terrible team that year.
01:14:55 --> 01:14:59 [SPEAKER_00]: and just one, eight to two, and people would have been thrilled.
01:14:59 --> 01:15:00 [SPEAKER_00]: The people would have been so fired up.
01:15:00 --> 01:15:05 [SPEAKER_00]: It would have been a great night in Seattle regardless, but it could have been a very anti-climactic game.
01:15:06 --> 01:15:06 [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't.
01:15:07 --> 01:15:08 [SPEAKER_00]: It was ended like that.
01:15:09 --> 01:15:10 [SPEAKER_00]: You can't really draw it up like that.
01:15:12 --> 01:15:14 [SPEAKER_01]: How did you not choose the Gino Green slam?
01:15:16 --> 01:15:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that one, I mean, that's different because that was, again, it was a huge moment, but I'm thinking about really, really symbolic poetry type moments.
01:15:25 --> 01:15:28 [SPEAKER_00]: That one was a big moment, but that was just a grand slam that happened in the eighth inning.
01:15:29 --> 01:15:38 [SPEAKER_01]: But think about the team, think about the Mariners and the history and the trend of the game and how it seemed to sort of like break the tension of the ballpark.
01:15:39 --> 01:15:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought that was pretty romantic, especially because we were there.
01:15:47 --> 01:15:52 [SPEAKER_01]: The other one I was thinking of was the Cal 60th.
01:15:53 --> 01:15:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I thought Cal 60th was pretty storybook.
01:15:59 --> 01:15:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:16:00 --> 01:16:09 [SPEAKER_01]: The check-up of all the boxes, you had a catcher, you had a switch hitter hitting 60 home runs, you had a Seattle mariner and a terrible hitter's park, hitting 60 home runs.
01:16:10 --> 01:16:15 [SPEAKER_01]: You had his 59th home run earlier that night, going the upper deck and right field, which no one ever does.
01:16:15 --> 01:16:24 [SPEAKER_01]: And then you have this perfect scenic shot in the bottom of the eighth inning, where the TV captures it perfectly.
01:16:24 --> 01:16:31 [SPEAKER_01]: They're panning in on Cal Raleigh, Goldie as he told us he would just lay out, he's not going to miss it.
01:16:32 --> 01:16:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Ice forward, where the TV just lays out, and they're doing the slow zoom on Cal Raleigh.
01:16:38 --> 01:16:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, everyone's chaining.
01:16:46 --> 01:16:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you could not have written a script of a 60th home run better than that.
01:16:52 --> 01:16:53 [SPEAKER_01]: That was pretty cool.
01:16:54 --> 01:16:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Those are some good ones.
01:16:55 --> 01:17:02 [SPEAKER_00]: If you want one, if you want one other non-mariners one, look, we rip on them a lot because of his defense, which was not good.
01:17:02 --> 01:17:10 [SPEAKER_00]: But the fact that in Derek Jeter's last game ever at Yankee Stadium, the Yankees blew the lead, it got tied up.
01:17:10 --> 01:17:15 [SPEAKER_00]: He was do up in the bottom of the ninth inning and then he ends up walking it off with the single to win it.
01:17:15 --> 01:17:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that was pretty storybook.
01:17:17 --> 01:17:19 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a pretty romantic baseball moment.
01:17:19 --> 01:17:21 [SPEAKER_00]: So if you want a non-mariner one, that one was pretty cool.
01:17:22 --> 01:17:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that one was pretty cool.
01:17:23 --> 01:17:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you gonna also include the one where Adam Wayne right through him a 88 Malone or fastball down the middle in the all-star game?
01:17:29 --> 01:17:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, no, I mean that was that was just a Mickey Mouse title that he was handy, but that game I'm pretty sure the Orioles didn't blow that lead on purpose, so that one was pretty storybook
01:17:40 --> 01:17:42 [SPEAKER_00]: That's fair point as those are some good ones.
01:17:43 --> 01:17:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think based all is one of the few games that allows you to To be like this because there's also there's so many opportunities for it so many more than in the NBA or in the NFL or in any other sport Yeah, for sure no doubt
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