Episode 415: Should The Mariners Trade For Aroldis Chapman? (Mailbag)

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We're everywhere and posting content every day at marine layer Pod. 00:00:38 Speaker 1: Let's get it rolling, Hey, Welcome you to this episode of the Marine Layer Podcast, part of the Just Baseball podcast network. 00:00:57 Speaker 3: Recording here on. 00:00:59 Speaker 1: Wednesday, evening, June tenth, the day early than we normally record our mailback episodes. Loan, I will be going to a bachelor party tomorrow, so I know some of you might want that recording, but unfortunately we don't want that recording. We're recording it here on Wednesday night, our final recording from a hotel room, which was very popular in the YouTube comments. 00:01:20 Speaker 3: I'll give them credit. 00:01:21 Speaker 2: I mean, maybe people like us being on the road, maybe they like seeing something different than our regular location. So here we go. 00:01:27 Speaker 1: Somebody just communicated a little differently then than praise. 00:01:30 Speaker 2: Some Well, maybe somebody did say make the beds I want. For the record, I made my bed on Wednesday's episode. There was my hoodie sitting on the bed. My bed was made. I can't say the same fritig. 00:01:41 Speaker 1: I made my bed for this episode. Kind of it's made. It'll it'll get the job done. But you know what, you guys should not be looking at the bed. You should instead be looking at us because we're talking. Okay, let's spend thirty seconds on this Mariners game on Wednesday night. The Mariners lost seven to two. They gave up a grand Slam to Jackson Holiday, Matt Brash went on the injured list. George Kirby was just fine again and gave some interesting quotes after the game. Sometimes the game just kicks you in the ass, he said. And the Mariners got shut out through seven innings by Brandon. 00:02:15 Speaker 2: Young, potential relative of Cy Young. The way he pitched today. 00:02:19 Speaker 3: Good lord, he's been pitching really. Did I get his name right? 00:02:22 Speaker 2: Yeah? Brandon Young. 00:02:23 Speaker 1: Brandon Young, okay to me to get Brandon Young credit. A. He's not like some washed veteran. He's only twenty seven years old and he's been pitching pretty well this year. He's got like a three R and he's thrown into the seventh inning each of his last three starts. 00:02:36 Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean he's been pretty good. 00:02:38 Speaker 2: He has. I don't know if that's who I would have pinpointed for the Mariners to get carved up by, but they did. To be fair, they'd also won the first two games, but yeah, I don't know. That's never fun. And then they had four total hits. They didn't have one extra base hit. They had four total hits. Not great, that is, that's not very good. I do think there are some bigger storylines besides the game. It's the Mariners are gonna lose games like it happens. They didn't play that well. 00:03:03 Speaker 1: But seeing a second consecutive day with a bullpen injury raises a red flag for me. I'm sure it raises a red flag for the Mariners as well. But seeing Matt Brash this time go on the injured list with a LAT strain. Last time it was lot inflammation. He missed a few weeks. This is a LOT strain, which is a level up from LAT information, so he could be out a bit longer than that, and that's not very comforting for the Mariners. I do wonder how much that LAT actually calmed down once he got back up to the big leagues, or if it had calmed down, how many outings it took to get back to the state where it was sort of earlier in the year, and maybe he was fighting through it until this eventually happened. 00:03:44 Speaker 2: You can't know. You just can't know, as none of us are in that clubhouse or trainers or doctors, so we can only just sit here and speculate unless further information is given on it. But clearly something flared up again and clearly he's gonna have to work back from this again. How long is it gonna take. They haven't given a timeline on it yet. You would hope he's back by I don't know, after the All Star break, but you don't know how long strains can take. 00:04:12 Speaker 1: Just one episode ago Bullpens too thin bullpens too thin. Bullpen now is really really too thin. 00:04:18 Speaker 2: Well because to repair. On top of that, they've also lost Cooper Chris Wilder the eye ol. So in the last two days you have lost two incredibly important relievers for a bullpen that already needed more leverage bullpen. 00:04:30 Speaker 1: Arms and needed another bullpen arm period. Here's the question, are these injuries because of the six man rotation in the bullpen pitching a man down? That's what everyone, I think really wants to know. And I'm gonna start off by giving my best answer to this question. You can't know for sure, because you'd need you to prove a point. You need to find evidence. We can't directly find evidence that the Mariners pitching at a man down in the bullpen is the reason for a shoulder injury and a injury in back to back days. But what we can tell you, as we talked about on Wednesday's episode, is that these guys are being strained a little bit more in this scenario, and muscles when they're put under a lot of strain and a lot of pressure and high leverage scenarios and pitching more often can sometimes get hurt. 00:05:18 Speaker 2: You can't know for sure but I think it's pretty fair to ask the question. Man, I don't know how you can't. Sitting here watching the injuries that have gone down over the last two days. The Mariners are not running with eight guys in their bullpen as we currently speak. They're running with seven. And for anybody curious, the new rules that were implemented as of the last five years change the way that teams are allowed to manufacture their roster. You can't just put fourteen pictures on your roster and twelve position players, or put fifteen pitchers on your roster and eleven position players. If a team was even going to do such a thing, it has to be thirteen and thirteen. You can't put more than thirteen pictures on your roster. It's the rule. So when the Mariners decide to go to a six man rotation, and they are by choice going to pitch with a man down in your bullpen, they are choosing to pitch with a man down in their bullpen. When you pitch with seven guys instead of eight in your bullpen, you're asking all of those seven guys to take on much more workload, throw more often, throw it high, in high volume, and you and you know what the reason of most teams don't go with a six man rotation is because it can lead to things like this with bullpen injuries. When you see two important relievers go down in the last two days at time of recording here in Brash and Chris Well both going on the il this week. I don't know how you can't sit here and ask the question. I don't know how every single Mariners fan out there wouldn't be asking the question. We can't know for sure the answer, but I think if you're not asking the question, you're probably not think. I mean, you're probably leaving some stones unturned for the potential issues here. 00:06:50 Speaker 1: The combination of exhaustion and overuse seemingly in game and then the results afterward with the injuries, certainly make you raise an eyebrow. 00:06:58 Speaker 3: Oh, all of the red flags. 00:06:59 Speaker 1: That could have come with this six man rotation have popped up within the first now nine days as of recording of the six man rotation. You've had overuse. I mean, you hear the announcers talk every single game, man, you got guys down. 00:07:12 Speaker 3: Man, this bullpen's been. 00:07:13 Speaker 1: Worked really hard this last week or so, and now we see the injuries come because of it, and now the Mariners frankly, just don't have enough arms in that bullpen. I think to sustain pitching this pitching with this many guys in that bullpen, because as hard as it was pitching a man down with four leverage relievers in your eyes, Bizarto Ferrara, brash, sorry five Bizarto Ferrera spire brash Munos. Now you have four pitching a man down, meaning those leverage guys if you're ahead in the game, are gonna pitch even more often. And you just can't have that. That's just not healthy and it's not sustainable. I think the Mariners know this too, like they can see the injuries happening in a toll that it's taking on the roster. 00:07:56 Speaker 3: Here's a proposal. 00:07:59 Speaker 1: We say they got a bite the bullet and move someone to the bullpen because they need to get back to a five man rotation and that's the healthiest way this roster can organize. I would say they need to do that, not because they need to specifically ease the workload on the guys in the bullpen. They might actually need one of those guys in the bullpen to throw right now, Like if you're not calling up Kate Anderson to pitch bullpen innings, which I don't think you should. I don't think that's a great use of his talents. I do think that adding a starter into that bullpen will actually really help you up. Brash is gonna miss significant time because there's not immediate proven arms coming up to help you. 00:08:35 Speaker 2: And by the way, if you move a starter to the bullpen, you can have them go two innings. You need one of those guys to pitch, hypothetically the seventh and eighth. They could do that, not every day but when you need them, but when you need them to in certain spurts, that's for sure. Look, when this road trip ends, it's time for the Mariners to make a decision. If you're asking me, no more six man, no more piggyback, because let me reiterate what I said on Wednesday's POT podcast for anybody out there that might be hearing us talking about how much we don't like the six man rotation and responding with, well, but you guys hated the piggyback and cry for it to end as soon as possible. Yes, we did. We don't want the piggyback to come back at all. We also don't want to see a six man rotation. Make a decision, move one of these starters to the bullpen, go with a five man rotation and have eight relievers. You need one of these starters now to cover bullpen innings. You cannot have more bullpen arms dropping like flies, and you need to let your starters work on a normal five day routine. When this road trip ends, it's time to make a decision. 00:09:34 Speaker 3: I'm one hundred percent with you. 00:09:37 Speaker 1: And that's when that stretch that they laid out ends, right So that's when they said they were also going to make a decision, and I sure hope they keep to their word and doing that, because the Mariners on this road trip have experienced quite a lot of ups and downs with their pitching staff, and I hope it doesn't get that much more worse than what it is right now. But what the Mariners honestly need is they in another proven arm in that bullpen right now. And this might be a little preview to the man, it's not coming via trade. Teams aren't going to trade proven, high leverage relievers. 00:10:06 Speaker 3: To you right now. 00:10:06 Speaker 2: It's too early. 00:10:07 Speaker 1: You're gonna need to wait a couple of months for that to happen. So in the meantime, you're gonna need to get some high leverage outs out of that bullpen, and your options, seemingly right now are a starter from your current rotation, Kate Anderson or Brockmore, and all of those come with if ends or butts. Kate Anderson, I don't think it's a great use of his skills. Brockmore unproven, dominated the minor leagues, but unproven, and then Luis Castillo maybe not the best option you could have out there, but better than what you currently have. 00:10:37 Speaker 2: It's looking more and more like brock More time. Yeah, I think we're getting pretty close here after the brash injury to see in the call up again. He's twenty six years old, he has walked a few guys in double A. Maybe they want to see a little bit more out of them, but you know, when the situation calls for it and the necessity of your bullpen is where it is. Maybe it won't be tomorrow, Maybe give brock Moore another couple of weeks, but I think we're gonna see him sooner rather than later here because they're just plain and simple gonna need him. I think they might need Luis Castillo to go to the bullpen and to call up Brockmore, because if Brash is gonna miss real time, you have got to have dominant guys back there to not just leverage those innings, but fill those innings. 00:11:19 Speaker 1: And with guys like Brockmore being twenty six years old, how they think about it from him as a prospect. He's already almost past his prospect status without debuting since he's so old. So the Maritorers would want to say, Hey, Brock, you're either gonna prove right now you're a big leaguer for us or like or you're not a big leaguer by the time you're twenty six years old. For ninety five to ninety nine percent of baseball players, you either know if you're a big leaguer or not. So that's what the Maritors would tell brock Moore. Hey, we're gonna throw you into the bullpen. If you succeed, great, If not, I mean, that's too bad. So with see and I think we'll see it this season, and this kind of action I think is. 00:11:57 Speaker 3: Calling for it. 00:11:58 Speaker 1: But regardless, the Murders are gonna need to added this bullpen and then you're going to add to it fast for sure. 00:12:02 Speaker 2: Again, I would keep your eyes down on Double A and on Brockmore. Maybe it's not tomorrow, but I don't think it's going to be much longer. 00:12:10 Speaker 1: All Right, we got to get to this mailbag. We got a lot of wonderful mailbag questions that all of you sent in. But before we get to this mail bag, Lyle, let's pause here for a nat. 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You get access to add free episodes, and on top of that, you get a monthly video call with Lala and I. You get a look right like this If you're watching on YouTube it's like the two of us sitting right here answering your questions on a video call. If something like that sounds good to you, the place to go is Patreon on dot com slash Marine lera pod and not. 00:14:02 Speaker 2: Even necessarily just answering your questions. If you guys want want to just hop on and talk ball, food, travel, whatever you want. Yeah, that's what we're there for. 00:14:11 Speaker 1: So Patreon dot com slash Marine lerapod. Let's start off on Patreon with Michael. Michael asks, given how hard the team has been hit by injuries, would you say that standing at thirty six and thirty two as he wrote this, I believe now thirty six and thirty three is actually a terrific place to be and points to a much brighter future once we were at full strength. 00:14:31 Speaker 2: I would say yes and no. Obviously they have sustained a lot of injuries, and when you lose your best player in cal Raleigh, that really hamstrings you. You could see it. I mean, look, Calvin get off to the greatest start, but obviously you feel the effects in the middle of the lineup without him there. So obviously, when you lose a guy like that and you lose your table setter in Brendan Donovan. To be over five hundred is a plus. That being said, every team in the league deals with injuries, and this was supposed to be a year where the Mariners had as good of a roster as ever. We're supposed to have their expectations set higher than ever and we're playing and simple supposed to just have a good enough team that injuries aside, unless it was half your roster like the Mets have gone through, that should be able to play through all this and still win a whole lot of baseball games. I'm glad they're over five hundred, but they're pretty lucky. This AL West is down because I still think they should have won a lot more games than they have right now. 00:15:30 Speaker 1: Brighter future, yes, than they are right now, I mean, and a bright future includes an AL WES championship and a team that I don't know could get to fifteen games over five hundred this year. But I think the brightest we want to see is a World Series team. And even with cal Rally back, I still think there are some reservations as of right now in June. Those could flip as you get later into the season, and depending on the team plays in the postseason. But right now, I mean it's not as bright as it could be, but definitely brighter. Yes, I mean the bullpen needs to be healthier. The bullpen needs to be fuller. I don't think right now all of the thirteen best pictures the Mariners have in the organization or on this roster right now, Kid Anderson, and you don't have cal Raley. That's obviously gonna make you much better. If all those guys come up and start playing together and are all hot and playing well at the same time, and then they start looking like a World Series contender, then yes, then Michael, I think the brightest future will be there. 00:16:30 Speaker 2: I think that's all fair. I'd still like to see him win a whole lot more games in the meantime. Sure, where was I gonna go with this? 00:16:37 Speaker 1: Oh? 00:16:37 Speaker 2: I just had a thought that I was gonna pop up. I know, I had something. Well, I know, isn't this the worst when you're sitting here podcasting and you have something right on your mind and then it just slips your mind? Because I did want to make a point, because Michael asked a good question, and he asked a good question regarding Yeah, should the Mariners win or like, should we be happy with where they're at? Yeah, in some ways, but they could be doing a lot better. I now know what I was gonna say speaking of all the injury. Maybe that was sarcasm, maybe not, but what rather, regardless, I know what I wanted to say. What in the world is going on with Brendan Donovan? I mean, if we heard any update on him in any way whatsoever? Since Colt Emerson came up. I mean, we haven't really seen him around much at the park as far as I'm concerned. We haven't seen him out on the field much despite being on the IL, and I you know, we haven't heard an update on him in a while. Hollander usually gives injury updates at the start of every series, so maybe on Tuesday against the Orioles we'll hear something about him in the afternoon. But it's been radio silent. Man, I don't know what the story with Donovan is. 00:17:41 Speaker 1: Don't look at me. I know the same information you do. You're just asking it to the masses. If we have any sources out there hit our line. 00:17:48 Speaker 2: That'd be great. I'm just saying, obviously, this is a guy the Mariners need and are relying on. We know he's had problems with injuries, but since Colt Emerson came up, I just I don't think we've heard much of a word about him. 00:17:59 Speaker 3: No, I don't think so. Either. 00:18:01 Speaker 1: They've been able to keep float without him and with cal back. I think they could with those two guys on the left side of the infield. But I think the best version of this team has Brendan Donovan on it. So yeah, hopefully, hopefully well get an update soon. Hopefully get an update on Tuesday when the Orioles are in town in Hollander talks again. And maybe we could hear the magical words of rehab, assignment and Brendan Donovan in the same sentence. 00:18:22 Speaker 2: That'd be great. 00:18:23 Speaker 1: Alex on Patreon asks, Hey, guys, is it just me or is this the most chaotic road trip in recent memory? Between the Naylor drama and Detroit bullpen struggles while getting a shout out from Jeff passing JP and Emerson hurt and the chaotic defensive miracles in Baltimore? Is this team determined to stay above a five on the Carpenter Meter? 00:18:43 Speaker 2: Who That is a loaded question, Alex, loaded question. I would say it was very memorable, not all in the best of ways. I don't know if it tops the road trip from Hell two years ago that got Scott Service fired. But there was a lot, a lot of storylines on the road trip, that's for sure. 00:19:02 Speaker 3: At least in this this road trip. 00:19:04 Speaker 1: Though there have been some ups and downs, that story that road trip you're referring to, was all down, and it was the most toxic down you could possibly get. 00:19:12 Speaker 2: It was terrible. And that was right after they had that dominant series at home over the Mets two years ago and then went out on the road and just looked completely lifeless for two. 00:19:19 Speaker 1: Weeks, lost every every single game they played essentially on. 00:19:22 Speaker 2: The road, and looked a kneemick at the plate. I mean, they were blowing games late. They wasted Bryce Miller and Brian wu starts, I remember multiple times. 00:19:30 Speaker 1: And then Jerry Depoto did an interview with Ken Rosenthal and hinted at making a manager Changefore they actually made the manager change, and Divish went and asked Scott's Service about it, and Scott was. 00:19:41 Speaker 2: Like, Ah, I haven't heard much about it. Birth I've heard of it. Yeah, that was That was quite a twenty four hours and then and then remember what happened after that? 00:19:51 Speaker 3: They hired Dan Wilson. 00:19:53 Speaker 2: Did they interview anybody else? No? 00:19:56 Speaker 3: They didn't. 00:19:56 Speaker 2: Oh they didn't. No, I could have sworn they did. 00:19:58 Speaker 3: No. No, as far as we know, no, I did not. 00:20:00 Speaker 2: No, that's interesting. They didn't interview anybody else. Had Dan managed before? No, like, could he manage high school baseball before? 00:20:08 Speaker 3: To my knowledge? No? 00:20:09 Speaker 2: Oh, okay, I'm just double checking my facts on that. Okay, Yeah, that road trip was pretty memorable. Carpenter meeting, Oh, yeah, that one was. Here's the thing with the Carpenter meter, right, I usually dedicate moments itself, singular moments to the Carpenter meter. I haven't thought about overarching storylines on the Carpenter meter, but if I was gonna put that road trip on the meter, I mean it was it one. It's not over yet. It has been frustrating at points, but since they've also now at least split the series in Baltimore at time of recording this, hopefully by the time you guys are listening, they've just won the series, and they won on Thursday. But we can call like a five and a half. The Nailor stuff didn't bother me. I thought it was fun. Well, getting hit bothered me when he got thrown at for sure. Yeah, see Alex is making me, I think, because. 00:21:00 Speaker 1: But I feel like the Carpenter meter needs to have some lasting, long term impact. I don't know if this road trip is lasting long term impact outside of these injuries. And injuries to me, unless someone's getting Tommy John surgery, don't go very high on the Carpenter meter. 00:21:14 Speaker 2: Well, because usually they're just unfortunate realities. It's not anybody's fault. Now, JP's might be Framer's fault, so that one will piss me off. 00:21:22 Speaker 1: Like if hypothetically one of the mirrors starting five and now it's just the they exit a game on Monday and Tuesday they're getting Tommy John surgery. 00:21:30 Speaker 3: That's a ten on the Carpenter. 00:21:31 Speaker 2: Yeah, and again it's it's not the player's fault. But just in terms of impact of the roster. Oh, it would be brutal, it does, I mean, but losing Brash for however long they're going to lose them for is pretty significant. Yeah, yep, I'll call this a five and a half on the Carpenter meter. I would say it's a slightly above average road trip in terms of the nerves. Sunday's games certainly added to that against the Tigers because that was a terrible loss. But there between there being enough good with it. It can't quite scale all the way up to the eighth nines range anything like that. So let's call out about a five and a half. 00:22:09 Speaker 1: I would go like right at five maximum, Like it's been entertaining, but I'm not seeing many of the long term effects from this. 00:22:16 Speaker 2: Again, but losing two bullpen arms is real. 00:22:19 Speaker 3: It is real. But bullpen arms are the like smallest increments on the Carboner meter, as good as Brash. 00:22:26 Speaker 2: Is until you get into games late and you have a thinner bullpen. 00:22:29 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:22:30 Speaker 1: But again, Matt Brash pitches seventy innings a year. Yeah right, I mean it's just it's the least amount of workload, the least amount of physical ball throwing. 00:22:39 Speaker 3: Impact on a roster possible. I get. It's just math. Yeah from class. 00:22:44 Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't pay attention in the Yeah I didn't think so. Yeah. No, so yeah, it's been an up and down It's about a five for me. It's about it's an up and down road series. The shout out from Jeff pass I was pretty sick. I know we mentioned that on Wednesday, but that is hilarious. By the way, I'm just gonna to throw this out there. If you heard the clip it was on Brockensalk. Passing said, somebody in the Mariner's organization sent the clip of Lyle reacting to Trek Scooble and getting all fired up about it to me, and Passing got sent that video with the message, look what you've done. I don't I'm not going to put any definitive answers out there, but when I hear Mariners organization, I'm not sure that's somebody at the ticketing window. 00:23:29 Speaker 1: No, well, the person, yes, the person at the ticketing window does not have Jeff Passon's number. 00:23:33 Speaker 2: Uh as far as we know, unless somebody he's got, like a distant family member that runs or helps run Mariner's ticket sales. I think it may have been somebody a little higher up the totem pole, maybe a decent bit higher up the totem pole. Maybe we'll leave that there. If you want to hear If you want to hear our, I won't call it conspiracy theories, but if you want to hear our, theories on it. You can find us in person if you guys. If you guys see us in person and want our take on it, we'll give you our take, just maybe not on the podcast. 00:24:03 Speaker 1: And thank you to Alex for sending that clip to us because we were out here in Denver, didn't even didn't get to hear the interview, and Alex like, hey, guys, did you see this? 00:24:12 Speaker 2: Yeah, I had a few people send it to me on Wednesday or yeah, no, Tuesday, sorry, on Tuesday. Alex was the first one. He was the one who tipped us off to it. But we got set it a few times and I was like, oh, this is hilarious, So shout out to Alex. 00:24:26 Speaker 3: Okay. 00:24:26 Speaker 1: Next question comes from Pucci del Gato on Patreon, and the question is can you guys rank your all time one and done Mariners. 00:24:35 Speaker 2: So originally I was going to say Geno for this because of the Grand Slam last October, but I think you said that can't count, right because he had. 00:24:41 Speaker 3: Made more than one season. 00:24:43 Speaker 2: So if that's the case, I think the name that's going to jump out the most is probably Cliff Lee. And that's hard to say because Cliff Lee was part of a team that obviously didn't have any significance. He was here half a year and then got traded. But of the one and done players, he's probably the best one, right. 00:25:01 Speaker 1: I wrote down a handful of them, like I just once I saw this question, I just started rattling off one and done Mariners that I knew of and lal and I can't really speak to the nineties or the eighties in this because it's just too it's just too specific. So let's get guys more in our ballpark. I did put Cliff Lee at the top for me. I would say another one would be Michael Paneda. I think Michael Paneda is up there in terms of sort of impact. It's the team also sucked, just like Cliff Lee's. 00:25:29 Speaker 2: You know what can I interject here? Do farm hands count prospect. 00:25:35 Speaker 3: Just one big league season? 00:25:36 Speaker 2: Yeah? But again, they were in the system forever. You have Ben Williamson on here, and you have Jose Cabiero on here. They were in the system, but they were one and done. 00:25:44 Speaker 3: I'm I took this question as one and done in the big leagues. 00:25:47 Speaker 2: All right. I mean again, I think of one and done's is more of acquisitions. 00:25:52 Speaker 3: So you'd prefer a day holy. 00:25:55 Speaker 2: You know who's coming to mind. Honestly, and this is crazy to say, because he really really was not good when he was here in Seattle. 00:26:03 Speaker 3: Toughy Goeswitch, not him. 00:26:05 Speaker 2: He'd probably be toward, maybe at the bottom of the list. I mean again, you should go look at Toughy Ghostwitch's short stint as a Mariner and what his numbers were. They are they are unfathomable. Anyway, this guy was not good as a Mariner, but he had one shining moment that was pretty big. Adam Fraser. 00:26:24 Speaker 3: Adam Fraser, Yeah, I like that is double in the wild Card series. 00:26:29 Speaker 2: Yeah. Again, he was not a good Mariner overall, but he had one pretty big moment. 00:26:33 Speaker 3: Where does the AJ Pollock rank for you? 00:26:36 Speaker 2: He's probably gonna be pretty low. 00:26:37 Speaker 3: What about Colton Wong. 00:26:39 Speaker 2: He's probably also pretty low. 00:26:41 Speaker 3: What about Robbie Ray. 00:26:44 Speaker 2: So Robbie Ray's twenty twenty two season as a whole was fine if you look at Robbie Ray's numbers from May and on in twenty two, because in April he wasn't good. May and on he was pretty good, and then he just had one really unfortunate moment. In the playoffs on a pitch he never should have thrown because he was in there to throw sliders to left these not fastballs, and the fastball got crushed. I don't know, like Robbie Ray, doesn't you know, he doesn't like bring up any old wounds for me. He was fine as a Mariner. 00:27:16 Speaker 3: No, he doesn't bring up any old wounds for me either. 00:27:19 Speaker 1: But he was a notable guy who was a one and done on this Mariners scene, which is why I thought of him. If you guys have a good one, please leave it in the comments. I'd love to hear more of him from the two thousands and from the times rely and I just couldn't really process baseball in the nineties and eighties and seventies. That would be super interesting to hear of. 00:27:40 Speaker 2: I was gonna say, you did read you did leave one name off that you haven't said. 00:27:44 Speaker 1: Well, I wrote one down that Actually he was almost like a I don't even know if the Mariners brought him in to like necessarily be good, and maybe they just brought him into phil roster spot. But and when n Carnassi owns twenty nineteen with the Mariners was actually pretty good. 00:28:00 Speaker 2: I know his first half was great, but they traded him for one ten who didn't end up doing much with the Mariners. That's not who I was mentioning. 00:28:06 Speaker 3: It was Ben Williamson. 00:28:08 Speaker 2: No, not him either, because I said he's a prospect. I don't know if that counts. You didn't bring up Jesse Winker. He's on there. You wrote him down, you didn't bring him up. 00:28:17 Speaker 3: Where would Jesse Winker. 00:28:18 Speaker 2: Rank, okay on the scale of from Robbie Ray, who again I think we both believe was fine as a Mariner. 00:28:29 Speaker 3: For Robbie Ray, it's about a five. 00:28:31 Speaker 2: Yeah, Or if you want to use the ghosts Witch meter for Jesse Winker because he would be the lowest of the low, or if we just want to stick on our new podcast staple in the Carpenter meter, I don't know. Man Winker is probably like a seven. 00:28:46 Speaker 3: It's pretty bad. 00:28:48 Speaker 2: It was a team that made the playoffs, so ultimately, it's not like he cost them a season and then he didn't play in the postseason. But for a guy that was supposed to be an absolute cat list in your lineup that year, I mean, he was horrible. 00:29:04 Speaker 1: He was and literally every facet possible for the Maritors, which is why they traded him. Think of the they had to pet I'm to this day like I don't. I don't think I appreciate enough the fact that Jerry Depoto managed to trade Jesse Winker and Abraham Turtle combined. 00:29:21 Speaker 2: But who'd they get back at that? Coultlong pretty incredible, But that wasn't a good trade. 00:29:30 Speaker 1: The fact they were able to get anybody for that, even even Coltonlong see the Marits dot Coultlong was going to be good. So at that point, hypothetically Cultonlong had some value. 00:29:39 Speaker 2: Well, and so did we and most people, to be honest, So that is fair. But yeah, TJ's right, and just about every facet with Winker it was bad. He was an unbelievably horrendous defender. He well underperformed at the plate. He had an injury that felt basically like a phantom injury that essentially just had him not on the playoff roster. It's almost like he just disappeared one day. 00:30:00 Speaker 3: And then we don't know whose choice that was. 00:30:02 Speaker 2: We don't. You can make speculations, but you don't know. And then everything you've heard about them internally in the clubhouse was I mean nobody really liked them. I don't think much of the media was fans of them either. Now, we weren't around that year. In twenty twenty two, we hadn't started the podcast yet. But everything we've heard is I don't think Jesse Winker was exactly a media Darling. 00:30:24 Speaker 1: No, he was not not a Media Darling teammate Darling Scott service Darling. 00:30:29 Speaker 2: No. None of the aboves none, absolutely none. 00:30:32 Speaker 3: That one did not work out. 00:30:33 Speaker 1: Before we get to our next Patreon question, I want to tell you guys, as you are listening to this, you still have time to get your BlackBerry Smoke tickets. They're performing tonight at Emerald Queen Casino at seven thirty pm. The Southern Rock Standouts bring their live touring energy to the Pacific Northwest. You can get your tickets. Time is ticking out though at Emerald Queen dot com. And while you're there you can chet out check out the bet MGM sportsbook. At Emerald Queen Casino, there is no better place to watch the game. Seventy dreams seat loungers for premium viewing, dozens of eighty six inch TVs, legal wagering on college and pro sports. You could download the bet EQC app for live wagering anywhere on property. Get more details today at Emerald Queen dot com. Please game responsibly. Evan has the next question on Patreon. Hey guys, uh. He lays out a scenario with everyone coming back healthy and then asks, do you consider trading either Luke Raleyer or dom Canzone to clear up the clog and right field? Or do you consider letting Luke Rayley start full time in right field and except he's not going to be good against left handers. 00:31:36 Speaker 2: I do not think you can do the latter. Let's just start with that till we get it out of the way. Luke Raley is thirty plus years old and has proven no ability to hit left handed pitching. I just don't think that's an option. So unless you want to add to. 00:31:49 Speaker 1: That, that is only an option if Luke Rayley is a plus defender and right field, then you'll take. 00:31:56 Speaker 2: It, which he's not. He's either close. 00:31:58 Speaker 3: No, he's not. 00:31:59 Speaker 1: So in this sinnatey, if Luke Rayley is not going to play great defense and he's not gonna hit lefties, then you can't play him. 00:32:06 Speaker 2: Every day right So that leads to the bigger question that Evan senys, and it is a good question because he wants to highlight when JP's back, when Cal's back, when Donovan's back, when you have Colt Emerson playing, and you have Rayley and canzone, how do you make it all work? Because let's lay it out right, a defensive lineup when a righty's on the mound and everybody's healthy, is Cal catching Naylor at first? Cole Young at second? I don't really know. In terms of the shortstop. I mean, I guess what you could do here is you have either JP at short and Emerson at third, or you have Colt Emerson at short and JP at third. One or the other. You put Donovan and left because Donovan has played a lot of left field in his career, it would make sense for him to play there when everybody's healthy. Julio and center, one of Rayley or can Zone and right. But then you have to have Randy a rose Arena at DH because you're taking him out of left field leaves one of your really good left handed hitters on the bench regularly. If everybody's healthy, So to Evan's question, and. 00:33:08 Speaker 1: Your bench would be so let's say Raley's out there in the outfield. Your bench would be Dom Canzone. Whoever they decide the backup catcher is still thought. Know, we'll find out backup catcher they will have as of right now, Miles Master, Bony and then the fourth one would be. 00:33:27 Speaker 3: Oh Robless. 00:33:28 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:33:29 Speaker 3: So that's that's your. 00:33:30 Speaker 2: Force because you're assuming Wisdom's off the roster when everybody's healthy, and you're assuming they make a decision on one of the backup catchers at some point. 00:33:38 Speaker 3: No Rob Refsnider on that roster. 00:33:40 Speaker 2: Oh good point, so they may have to make a decision on him too. But that adds another wrinkle to this is if you keep Rev Snyder around, then you really have to make a decision on one of the lefties because you don't have the room and it would be unfortunate because both Canzone and Raley have played so well. We talked about the stat on social media the other day, but you know, Domkanzone since June ninth and on like for the last calendar year has been a top twelve hitter in the sport by WRC plus. It's crazy. I mean he was ahead of Corbyn Carroll and ahead of Matt Olson and ahead of Bryce Harbor. The only guys ahead of him were guys like Shohe and Kurtz and Judge. It was wild. I mean, he is mashed. He only hits again, he only plays against righty's. He comes with a territory because he's a platoon bat like Rayley, who really can't hit lefties. But what do you do here? 00:34:29 Speaker 3: Can we clear something up? 00:34:31 Speaker 1: Rob Refsnyder is not forcing you to make a decision on one of your lefties. Your lefties are making you force a decision on Rob Refsnyder. 00:34:37 Speaker 2: Right, But let's say they do that. Yeah, and then you let's say you let Refsnyder go. At some point, you still can't have one of those lefties play every day. Now, maybe you make a decision where you're gonna alternat them, and you have one of those guys come off the bench later if you need a pinch hitter, or you have one of those guys again Dh some days, and maybe Randy plays left field, and then you get Donovan a day off, or you get Emerson a day off. There's a way to maneuver it. But Evan does bring up an interesting conversation of could you flip one of those guys at the deadline to get a leverage you know, in a package, to get a leverage bullpen arm. You wouldn't get a leverage on for Canzone and Rayley or or Raley alone, but for one of them in a package, could you could you also trade him for a right handed bat? 00:35:24 Speaker 1: It's a question does So Let's say in this scenario you're trading with a rebuilding team. 00:35:30 Speaker 3: Does a rebuilding team need Luke Raley? 00:35:34 Speaker 2: No, they don't. 00:35:36 Speaker 1: Ken Zone a little bit better of a self. But Kenzone's not exactly sprying young anymore. 00:35:40 Speaker 2: No, he's twenty eight and turning twenty nine this summer, I believe, But I will say I does have. 00:35:47 Speaker 1: More value and he has club control. He does have club control, well, I mean Ralely does too. 00:35:52 Speaker 2: But he's just old, right, somebody might want him. It wouldn't be a rebuilding team that's at the bare bottom store part of a rebuild, but a rebuilding team that might need a piece or two for the long run. Would the White Sox need them at some point? For example, if they think they're gonna. 00:36:08 Speaker 1: Be good, I mean that could help. So they just called a braidon Montgomery. Their lineup is sort of fleshing out a little bit. I'm not sure if the White Sox have room in their outfield, and they have a pretty good DH. 00:36:18 Speaker 3: I don't know if you've heard of him. His name's Murakami. 00:36:20 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, he's He's been really good, much to our much to our take being very wrong this hot season's a lot of people is being wrong because we didn't think he was gonna be great, but he's been awesome to me. 00:36:28 Speaker 1: It doesn't feel like a team would want a dom Can Zone or Luke Raley as a headlining piece for a leverage arm. 00:36:35 Speaker 2: Probably not. 00:36:35 Speaker 1: You would have to include more. It would be probably the would want prospects. They are looking for upside. I think dom Canzone and Luke Raley have shown shown you the best version of themselves, and the team's like, all right, so we know we're getting, but we want a little bit of lottery ticket here. We want a little bit of mystery, some upside that we're getting back for this reliever, just getting like a solid like hits against righty's outfielder who's not going to play very much defense for you. 00:37:00 Speaker 3: It's just kind of a limited market. 00:37:02 Speaker 2: But if you need a right handed bat at some point, can you still make it all work with those guys? I'll keep using the tailor Ward example just as an example. If you're to go get Taylor Ward and everybody's healthy. For Evan's question, can you still make it all work? That's pretty crowded. Ward would only be a rental, but it's crowded. I know. 00:37:24 Speaker 1: Hard that point, maybe you'd probably still keep your two lefties and then Roblest as a casualty, so you would have you'd have less of a need for a right handed hitting outfielder. 00:37:34 Speaker 2: So then your bench in that scenario, if you keep everybody and say trade for Ward without sacrificing your big league roster, would be if Rayley's starting, Canzone's on your bench, I guess Ward's on your bench? Well, no, because he'd have to see here's the problem. Ward would have to play every day because he's not just a platoon guy as a right handed hitter. He's an everyday guy that happens to hit lefties. So if Ward becomes your right fielder, do you have Canzone and Raley on your bench and then the backup catcher and then Master Bony. I guess you could would. 00:38:06 Speaker 1: Be very comfortable, though, no, it would be, and there will be a lot of good bats on the roster like that. You could flatly say it does leave your bench imperfect because your two primary bats you'd bring off the bench to pinch hit, as Dan Wilson loves to pinch hit whenever he can, are both lefties. So if there's a lefty in the game, everyone in the starting lineup just kind of stays. 00:38:31 Speaker 2: I think it's a good question that Evan asks. I think it is very possible that the Mariners could shop around one of those guys at the deadline. Possible, But you can also make it work. While like TJ said, imperfect, which is a good word to use for it. Imperfect, but you can make it work with everybody, even if you want to right handed bat. 00:38:51 Speaker 1: And who are these guys pinch hitting for in the lineup? They would be pinch hitting for Rayley or sorry Rayley, they'd be pitch hitting for Randy. They'd be pinch hitting for. 00:39:01 Speaker 2: In this scenario Ward, let's. 00:39:02 Speaker 1: Say Award, it would they'd be pinch hitting for whoever the backup catcher is, whether it be Parreta or Mitch Garver. 00:39:08 Speaker 3: Uh, who else am I missing? 00:39:09 Speaker 2: But that's it. You're not or Julio and you're not really doing that right. If Ward comes in, he's into play every day. 00:39:18 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:39:18 Speaker 2: So honestly, if you were going to make a trade with the Orioles, maybe they would want one of those guys. Maybe they would want Canzone because they know he has club control and that's part of a package for Ward. You'd be giving up a lot of club control for a rental, But that is possible. 00:39:33 Speaker 1: It would make your team better by giving yourself a little more flexibility, and the Mariners might want different pieces on their bench to better fit their roster rather than two guys on your bench would do the exact same thing. Who could only pinch hit for the best hitters in your lineup? 00:39:47 Speaker 2: Right? 00:39:47 Speaker 3: It seems like a bit of a problem for sure. 00:39:49 Speaker 2: It's a good question though. Yeah. 00:39:51 Speaker 1: A next question comes from Cameron on Patreon. Cameron's question is when cal comes back, should the Maritors dfa rober Rev Snyder and keep Johnny Parreeda as the backup catcher and make Mitch Garver dh You. 00:40:03 Speaker 2: Know what it is a it is a possible scenario. It is I don't think they'd run with three catchers all year, but it is possible they'd essentially start to put Garver, at least for a minute, for a limited period of time, into the Refsnider role and just have him hit the lefties and Parada does more of the catching. You could run with three catchers. Garver's more your emergency catcher, and then he's hitting more of the lefties. I wouldn't. I can't sit here and guarantee it, but I think it's a very good question, and I think it is certainly plausible when cal comes back on paper. 00:40:36 Speaker 1: This makes the Mariners much better because Mitch Garver this year, as he's done essentially every year, even his worst years in a Mariner's uniform, is hit lefties. It's a one to twenty seven w ORC plus. It's really good against lefties right now. I mean, that's what you want. Put him in the lineup against the lefty on the mound, and odds are he'll be solid for you out the plate, will draw some walks, and it'll hit for a little bit of power. Rob Refsnenter's giving you none of that ore action days which I laid out a couple of weeks have passed. The last one was this past Thursday or tomorrow. No, it's like, can't be tomorrow. It was last Thursday was the last action day. So we passed those and ref Snyder has survived. 00:41:10 Speaker 3: To this point. 00:41:12 Speaker 1: But still it the Mariners. If the Mariners are going to spreadsheet this, and I know some people just cringed when I said that, and that's fine, but the Mariners are going to spreadsheet this and say, all right when cal comes back. We like all three of these catchers. Garver, it gets along really well with all of the pitchers, like he knows them really well. Really like what Johnny's bat has brought. Just doesn't make as much sense to put Rob Refsnyder. There's twenty nine worc plus in this lineup for much longer, then you might as well do that. 00:41:42 Speaker 2: Well, let me follow up on something we had some action days pass. I think we have a pretty big action day coming up, and it's this upcoming Monday for the off day. Fair point, because on Monday, the team's gonna come back from the road, they will have a day off, and you are expecting cal Rale to likely be back on the roster and in the lineup when the team returns home on Tuesday against the Orioles. Monday feels like a potential action day. 00:42:08 Speaker 1: Oh, in action when the team comes back to the executives who make the decisions. 00:42:13 Speaker 3: Correct. 00:42:15 Speaker 2: Now, those guys could be on the road, I mean the GMS and Jerry and Justin travel sometimes they do, so we'll see. I think I would be circling Monday. We could see Monday slash. If the news comes out Tuesday afternoon or Tuesday morning, I would circle that time period as some potential action days because if everything keeps going smoothly with Cal this week, I'd assume he's gonna be back when the team gets home. 00:42:40 Speaker 1: Next question comes from Xander on Patreon. Xander's question is could the Maritors jump the gun on the Tree deadline this year? 00:42:48 Speaker 2: Short answer is yes, they could. Anything's possible, but as each deadline has come around, teams like to hold on to their guys longer and longer and longer, and the expense and the expanded playoff is a big reason for that. I just don't see anybody really selling off in the middle of June or the end of June. So could the Mariners do it? Yeah, they could surprise everybody. I don't think they do. 00:43:13 Speaker 1: There's nothing indicating right now, especially in the American League, that anyone's gonna start trading pieces off early. Right, there's some bad teams out there, but still, I mean, the teams have no leverage to trade guys right now. You're always gonna get your best return package because there's multiple betters and there's a deadline to raise the price on their pieces. So like, why are we gonna trade you someone right now? You're offering me this package? Is like, I'm just gonna wait until the deadline. There's gonna be we're gonna be pushing up against a deadline that you can't trade after, and you're gonna start adding in pieces when I tell you now, So that's when you're gonna say yes, and you're gonna give us a better package back. Oh and by the way, I can bid bid you against other teams as well, Which is why these early season trades just don't really happen. Like the Dever's trade last year is such an outlier, right, that stuff just never happens because if Raffie Devers was publicly available for trade on the open market, the Red Sox would have gotten a lot more back for him and felt even worse that they ditched all those pieces shortly after. 00:44:12 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really hard to pull off a trade like that. Unfortunately. I think the Mariners are gonna have to sit with the roster they have for a few more weeks and wait till we get closer to the deadline. 00:44:24 Speaker 1: Next question comes from Kelly on Patreon, and Kelly is wondering how many Mariners jerseys to you do you and I own. 00:44:33 Speaker 2: It's a good question because we were talking about jerseys on Wednesday's episode. I think Kelly made a point about that in your question. I think I have two and I have three. I have a Mitch Hanniger's Sunday Cream jersey. It's a little bit older. I had one of our friends give it to me a few years ago because it just was too big for them. So I have that one. I have a Teal Julio jersey. I got that one pretty shortly after he got up. And then I have the Spring Training like Blue Jared Kalnick jersey. Those are my three, the infamous. 00:45:05 Speaker 1: I have a Kyle Seeger Batting Practice jersey. I have a George Kirby City Connects Jersey. And then I have get this a nineteen ninety eight Ken Griffy Junior jersey that was bought after I was born. 00:45:21 Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, don't tell me it's the turn ahead the Clock jersey. 00:45:24 Speaker 3: No, it's the regular white one. 00:45:26 Speaker 2: You've seen me wearing a bunch maybe. 00:45:27 Speaker 1: So my parents did is they bought me the Griffy one, and they bought my brother and Alex Rodriguez jersey at that point. 00:45:34 Speaker 3: Listen, it lasted a. 00:45:38 Speaker 1: Bit of time with the Rodriguez on the back, but eventually the name got taken off. 00:45:42 Speaker 2: Listen, you can still argue it's the greatest Mariner ever. 00:45:45 Speaker 1: You could like me now as a twenty eight year old, if I had a vintage Alex. 00:45:51 Speaker 3: Rodriguez Mariners jersey, I'd proudly wear that. 00:45:53 Speaker 1: But that jersey's in the possession of my brother, not me, So I mean, I don't get to make the choices on that. 00:45:58 Speaker 2: I mean our buddy Andrews shout out West coach Willie, who's all over social media. He got himself an a rod jersey just a few weeks ago. I think he just ordered it and it's sick like an Arod Mariner's jersey. 00:46:08 Speaker 3: Oh nice. 00:46:09 Speaker 2: So yeah, listen, Aaron's the hell of a Mariner man. People just don't want to admit it. 00:46:13 Speaker 1: Let us know your favorite Mariner's jersey that you owned down on the comments. 00:46:17 Speaker 3: Blow. 00:46:17 Speaker 1: I think this could be pretty fun. I wish blow when I had more jerseys to talk about. I'm not much of a jersey guy anymore. Non intentionally, I just don't really end up wearing them all that much, so they just kind of sit in my closet and take up space. 00:46:29 Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if people know this, so maybe we should fill fill people in, because we actually have had questions before when we're walking around at the ballpark and being like, why aren't you wearing Mariners gear when you're out technically doing media stuff, which you know we are. When we're out on the field doing the interviews and stuff, we are media. They don't let you wear Mariner's gear. You have to be unless you're a team employee. Yeah. If you're a team employee then yes, yeah, you have to be impartial quote unquote. And look, it's a very very old old media rule. It's been around one hundred years and it just has never changed. I don't think anybody out there has this idea in their head that were some down the middle, like Cookie cutter old age media, like everybody knows we're Mariners fans, like big Mariners fans. But you also have to kind of follow the protocol when you're out there. So we can't wear all these jerseys when we're out on the field. So it doesn't give us as many chances at the games to wear these jerseys. 00:47:29 Speaker 1: No, in the rare currents, we're go there as fans, Yeah, we could wear jerseys, no problem. Right, we're buying tickets, so you can do whatever you want, like in the playoffs, yes, in the playoffs absolutely. 00:47:38 Speaker 2: If you were going to get another jersey, like say you were to buy a next jersey, who would be. 00:47:44 Speaker 3: Man, That's a good question. 00:47:47 Speaker 2: It might be maybe. I mean it might be Cal for me. We love cal. Uh. 00:47:51 Speaker 1: I'm interested to see what the new City Connects look like. I like the current ones, but I already own one version of the current City Connects, so I'd probably wait to see what the new version, which I think is supposed to come out next year, looks like, before I order another jersey. 00:48:04 Speaker 3: But yeah, cal Colt, like any one of our guys. 00:48:08 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll wrap them like sure, cal Colt, Emerson, Hancock, Gabe Spier Cole Young. 00:48:13 Speaker 3: Yeah, Logan Evans, Oh yeah. 00:48:16 Speaker 2: Honestly, having a Logan Evans Jersey would be pretty sick. Maybe we'll buy one at some point. 00:48:20 Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe maybe it'd be sick. All right. 00:48:22 Speaker 1: Two more questions to go. Ben on Patreon is asking we need a full bullpen. Do you guys think it's time to put Castile in the bullpen is a long reliever and go with a five man rotation? 00:48:32 Speaker 2: Well, you know what, Ben, you read our minds for what we talked about right at the start of the pod, So if you want a fuller deep dive on this, you can go back to the start of the episode. But to answer Ben's question, yes, they do need to go back to a five man. 00:48:45 Speaker 1: Yes, it is time, and it's not just to throw Luis in there just because they actually need him as a bullpen arm right now, because the Maritors are The Maritors are flaking bullpen arms right now due to injury, and they need more of them. So thank you Ben for the question. The final question of this mailbag comes from Landon on Instagram, and Landon's question is what do you guys think about the Mariners training for a rolled as Chapman. 00:49:10 Speaker 2: So we've gotten this question a bunch over the last couple of weeks. And I get it because the Mariners have had a depleted bullpen. Now you have more injuries, and you look at e. Roaldis Chapman, who's been arguably the best reliever in Major League Baseball this year not named Mason Miller, and he's got a forty six ERA, and he's got a war well over one, and he's got a fifth that sits below two, and he's striking out twelve guys per nine, and you say, look at how nasty that guy would make our bullpen. There's another pretty serious side to this, you guys, and it's an unfortunate side that we don't really like to have to get into and talk about much on the podcast because it just doesn't serve us or you guys any good. When guys have off the field history. You guys probably already know about it, and it doesn't do you guys or us any good for us to sit around and talk about it. But because we are getting asked the question here, we have to bring it up as good as E raw this Chapman is the Mariners have been pretty steadfast on trading for high character, high quality human beings over the course of the Depoto Hollander era erale. This Chapman has a rough off the field history, and if you want to see more about it, you can just go look it up in your own time. But it's a history that I don't know if the Mariners are really going to sign up for. And I don't know if I can sit here and say I would sign up for it, I don't think I would. 00:50:29 Speaker 1: I don't think the Mariners would trade for a Roald As Chapman just because of this. So he was suspended back in twenty sixteen, that's what it was. It was about ten years ago now that he served suspension for this incident, and to this day, if you go read some reports about it, it says he did he did some therapy, he did a lot of stuff to better himself. And he's been on a lot of teams since then. He's been around the league. He's been on the Royals, he's been on the Rangers, he's been on the Red Sox, he's been on the Yankees, he's been on the Pirates, he's been all over the place. There are a lot of teams that could have said no to a rolldis Chapman that decided to say yes to a rold As Chapman and have them on their team, well knowing his history and more recent than it is right now. The problem with this is is two things. Number One, I don't think the Mariners would do this. They are gonna would probably stay consistent to themselves. Not only this is not the type of reliever they usually go after, because they're usually more of a developmental type. As much as we disagree with that, they usually don't go after the top of the top of the market. Joan Duran last year was a little different. This is not the kind of reliever they always go after. But on top of that, Lyle mentions the high character guys. I really don't think I could sit here and say, even with all this stuff that Chapman says, I've done some work on myself, I'm better. Like I've never met a rold As Chapman, so I can only go off what has been reported out there. I don't think I would feel comfortable advocating for a rold As Chapman to be on this team this year, even if it's for the sake of winning baseball games. I think they're ways the Mariners can go out winning more baseball games and acquiring guys via trade without it being a world as Chapman. 00:52:05 Speaker 2: Yeah, again, it's a pretty rough off the field history. So I think there are other relievers out there the Mariners can go target, and we've talked about some of them. I think there are gonna be relievers at this deadline that could really make the Mariners better. And again, if you're a fan out there who's looking at Eroaldis Chapman and looking at what he's done, not just over the body of work of his career, but especially right now and over the last two years despite him aging, I get the intrigue that the pure baseball side of it is he has been one of the three best relievers in Major League Baseball each of the last two years. There is, unfortunately, another major side to Eroaldis Chapman that I just don't think the Mariners would sign up for if they traded for him. I mean, look, he'd probably help him win games. I don't know if I could sit there and say I'd be rooting my tailoff for him, but I think that's ultimately why the Mariners probably don't do it. 00:52:54 Speaker 1: On it would be very surprising to us of the Mariners decided this was the guy they were. 00:52:59 Speaker 3: Going to go after. 00:53:00 Speaker 1: Yeah, basically, based on everything they've said, all the standards they hold themselves to, it just doesn't really feel like something they would go after it. And we would both be pretty shocked at the result of that, and then would really want to hear what the Mariners have to say after the fact of why they decided they wanted to do this. 00:53:15 Speaker 2: Now, right, agreed. You know, it's a good batch of mail bag questions. Though again we say it every week, Oh what a good bash of questions, And we mean it because every week you guys send things that are different. You guys send things that are creative. You guys send things that really really make us think. I mean, just to point out one example, I mean Evan's question, Look at how hard we have to think about that. So we appreciate all the thoughtfulness on the questions every single week because we like questions that really make us think and it really can invoke some good conversations. So shout out to you guys, and if you want to send us a question, if you want to guarantee it's answered, you can go over to our Patreon sign up and we guarantee your question we'll get answered. Yes, all right. That just about wraps up this edition of the Marine Layer Podcast. You guys know the drill. If you want to listen to the full form podcast, you can do so wherever you get your audios. Make sure you're downloading these episodes if you're listening, and please go rate and review five stars. It really does help a ton. Go subscribe on YouTube. You just hit that red subscribe button in front of you. It just takes a second. You stay up to date with all of our content. 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