Episode 11: Joe Doyle (ProspectsLive), Mariners Sign Top International Prospect Felnin Celesten, And Previewing Mariners Catchers In 2023

00:00:00 Speaker 1: Welcome to episode number eleven of The Marine Layer Podcast with TJ. Matthewson and Lyle Goldstein. On today's pod, we'll talk to Joe Doyle ofprospectslive dot com. He's the director of Major League Baseball Draft, a guy that is verily, very knowledgeable on the Seattle Mariners. We'll talk to him about a number of things, including the Mariners international signing class that happened this past Sunday, headlined by the number two international prospect, felnine Celestin. And then we'll also look at Mariners catchers this season and preview that position for the twenty twenty three campaign. We'll look around baseball with our MOLB rap around a couple of interesting arbitration cases that we'll touch on. We'll close out the show with Speak your Mind. With that, Let's get it rolling, and we welcome you into the Marine Layer Podcast, Episode number eleven. Dog, how are we doing today? 00:01:03 Speaker 2: We're doing pretty good. I gotta be honest. Baseball news is starting to slow down, as we've learned this week. I feel like there's been free agency stuff now trickling in for a while, but not so much the case anymore. That's what happens when all the free agents go off the board. 00:01:18 Speaker 1: I feel like we need a guy like Carlos Korea to really like stir up the free agent pot and say something, say something that's just like total rubbish, but really just like I mentioned in our Krea segment last week, how he is really the his situation is something that would only happen in the NBA. Well, we now we need some NBA level drama to get us to spring training about a month from now, wouldn't you say? I mean what we need, We just need someone to go on first take and just start spewing something that we can be like, okay, hot take alert, Hot take alert. 00:01:52 Speaker 2: Brian Reynolds says he will not show up to Pirates training camp or Pirates spring training. 00:01:57 Speaker 1: I couldn't picture anything that would that would you know, be ahead of that on first take? 00:02:03 Speaker 2: I don't think so, No, no, not at all. 00:02:06 Speaker 1: I think you guys are really gonna as we get to our main subjects this week, you guys are really going to enjoy this interview with Joe Doyle that we did just before recording this intro. It really is a good conversation and I think both of us really learned a lot about Fellman Celestin, including how to pronounce his name. That is how we believe that he will be called here in the States. But there's a lot of really good information there Lyyle, I really enjoyed chalking with Joe, and I think a lot of you will enjoy the conversation that we'll play here in just a few seconds. 00:02:37 Speaker 2: Yeah. I thought it was great. I mean, I certainly learned a lot as we kind of got into talking with them. Going into this interview, I thought the comp for Celestin was Wander Franco. I mean, there's so little information out there right now that that was the comp I'd seen a couple of times. Turns out that that's probably not the case. Joe has his own thoughts on it, and he gave some pretty good information on why that is. 00:03:00 Speaker 1: So we'll get to that interview with Joe here in a couple seconds. Yeah, really good. You can find all of Joe's stuff on prospects Live dot com. He's the director of MLB Draft covers a whole bunch of things the draft. I love his draft content and it'll be especially important for the Mariners this year. Three first round picks for the MS this year, something that we're super excited about and something that we'll definitely talk about when the draft rolls along in July. With that, let's get to our interview with Joe Doyle. We welcome on Joe Doyle, the director of prospectslive dot com covers the Major League Baseball Draft, a guy with deep knowledge of the Mariners farm system and a guy who has a lot of knowledge on the international signing class the Mariners started to put together this past Sunday on the fifteenth, and headlined by the number two international prospect, fel nine Celestin. So we welcome Joe Doyle onto the Marine Layer Podcast. Joe, thanks for joining us today. 00:03:57 Speaker 3: We really appreciate it absolutely, guys, thanks for having me on. You know, I listened to your guys' podcast every now and then. It's good stuff. 00:04:05 Speaker 1: Thanks Joe. We do we appreciate that. So let's get into sort of the nuts and bolts of this. These international guys, it's a little bit harder to find some information on them for the general fan. And since these guys are, you know, sixteen seventeen years old, they're a way out for the major leagues. But in terms of that relationship between the Mariners and Celliston. When did this all start? When did they start getting eyes on him? When when did it all really start clicking for them that hey, this is a real option for the Mariners to sign. And just a little bit of general background information on who he is and how he landed here. 00:04:38 Speaker 3: Yeah, so Selliston has been a prospect in scouting circles since the latter part of his age thirteen year. To be totally honest, Seattle was, you know, well involved towards the latter half of when he was fourteen years old. And you know, they don't want to say that that, you know, there was a deal before January fifteenth of this year, but I'll just put it this way, Seattle has been the favorite to land Celliston for quite some time. What was the second part of your question, I'm sorry, just like. 00:05:10 Speaker 1: A general overview of who he is as a player before we sort of dive into the specifics. 00:05:15 Speaker 3: Yeah. So, I think the biggest thing that comes to mind for me in following the Celliston saga has been just over the last year, and I guess this is to be expected from a guy his age. He's really gotten very physical, you know, when he committed to Seattle, he was six feet one hundred and fifty five pounds. Right now he's like six y two, one hundred and eighty pounds one hundred and eighty four pounds, which is pretty physical for a kid his age, and it's really made a lot of the other tools pop. He's faster, he's stronger, he's showing more power than I think a lot of people expected him to show going back to his earlier years. The hit tool has really taken a step forward from the left side of the plate. Really. I mean, you never know what this kid is going to look like in four years when he's twenty one, But for now, everything projects in a positive direction, and you can't say that for guys in the past, like even Julio Rodriguez, there were fears that he was going to end up in right field as an oversized prospect because he had gotten bigger and it wasn't good weight. When he was getting bigger, Nuelvie Marte had gotten packed in and barrel chested and kind of bigger around the hips, so it was hard to project him up the middle. Sellston is growing the right way. He's his tools are moving in the right direction. And right now the sky is the limit, so we'll see whether or not he can assimilate to professional ball. But everything really looks positive. 00:06:44 Speaker 2: Well, that's a pretty good overview of what stands out about him. But in the early stages here, obviously it's so hard to project a seventeen year old kid down the line. But from where we're standing right now, there's been some early comps just from a few people to Wander Franco between the switch hitch, between his ability to play shortstop. Do you feel like that's a fair comparison, And if not, is there anybody else who he reminds you of. 00:07:10 Speaker 3: I don't think the Wonder Franco comps are are appropriate. Wander Franco had an elite hit tool from the time he was very very young. He had an elite eye at the plate, he had elite back to ball skills. That's not Selliston's profile yet, not right now. He's more impactful at this age than Wander Franco was at this age. He's more physical than Wander Franco. I've heard comps of Francisco Lindor. He's got three or four inches already on Francisco Lindor. For me, if you wanted to throw out a comp like early years, D D. Gregorious, I think makes more sense. I think there's some similarities between Jerks and Profar, but the Jerks and Profar that was the number one prospect, not the Jerks and Profar that's been a good player, never turned into a great player. I've heard the comps of like Handley Ramirez and Handler Ramirez was more offensive than defensive, and Celestin is really well rounded right now, so he's really accomplished defender. So frankly, right now, I'm kind of taking the tact that Felming Selliston is his own prospect, he's his own profile, and I don't necessarily think he compares well to anyone specific player. I mean, if you wanted to draw conclusions, I would say D. D. Gregorious, but a full grade better on the defensive end. 00:08:33 Speaker 1: So we talk about those tools that you mentioned, and he really has all five of them. Which one do you think is going to pop the most? Like as he's grown you mentioned, Yeah, they're all popping right now. But when you think he gets to maybe nineteen years old and enters real prospect status, what is there going to be a defining one. 00:08:52 Speaker 3: Personally from a scouting perspective, I think anytime you can stay on the shortstop position, it really just balloons your prospect status. I mean, if you are a true surefire shortstop, the ability to stay at the position and project a hit is huge. So I think there's always going to be more question marks surrounding a hit tool from a prospect, whether that be felnine Celestin or twenty three year old Jared Killmick. You never know how these guys get tools going to progress the bat speed. He's still really lean, so I don't know if he's ever going to be a power hitter, but it's going in the right direction. If I were to say I was confident in one specific tool with Celestin, it would be the defense. And if he has the ability to stay at shortstop, anything that he can do with the bat that's above average is going to be true value. 00:09:36 Speaker 1: So then we continue to sort of look at him and more. This is I guess a little bit away from tools, but looking at just his two sides of the plate. I mean, the scouting report says as him being a switch hitter lefty side, more of a doubles a doubles guy. Right side, a little bit more power and a little bit more bat speed. He's a guy that's going to switch hit his entire time in the miners, right. 00:09:58 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think there's any doubt he's actually fairly accomplished from both sides of the plate. From the left side, I have a little bit of concern just because there's a lot more loft in the left handed side and that not quite as much batspeed, and I think that can get you in trouble against higher velocity. From the right side, he's got the bat speed to handle just about anything, but it's more of a line drive approach. Now that being said, the exit velocities that he's posting are much more impressive than the left side, So like there's a positive and a negative from both sides. On the right, he's not hitting it over the fence yet, but he is showing huge bat speed. From the left, he does have the ability to hit over the fence and hit for loft, but he's not showing the impact that he is from the right side. So there's I guess to answer your question, there's a bedrock there, there's a foundation there to take both sides of the plate and really turn them into a pretty exciting profile. But yeah, he's more than accomplished enough from both sides. 00:10:53 Speaker 2: So just as kind of a timetable, is it safe to say at some point during the twenty twenty four season might be when we start to see him in affiliated ball. 00:11:04 Speaker 3: I would think he will spend all of twenty twenty three in the Dominican Summer League. Now, there have been outliers, Gabriel Gonzalez came up and spent some time this year in Arizona. That could happen if if he just proves to be way too advanced. But I mean, we saw last year with lazarro Montes. But people thought that this guy was going to be the bat is so special, He's going to move up because of the bat he's you know, all these all these different comps. That's not really the case. So I would expect him to spend all of twenty twenty three in the Dominican Summer League, probably open twenty twenty four in one of either the Arizona Complex League or Modesto, depending on how good he was in twenty twenty three. But yeah, I think to answer your question, I wouldn't expect to see him in full season ball, full season affiliated ball until twenty twenty four. 00:11:55 Speaker 1: Is he the kind of guy when when you look at the Mariners system and we saw that action the Mariners did at the trade deadline this last offseason, trading two pretty good shortstop prospects. So I guess Noelvie turned into about a third base prospect when he kind of grew out a little bit. But Edwin was a pure shortstop prospect. Edwin Royo top one hundred prospect and they ship him off for Luis Castillo. But you have this sort of inkling in the back of your mind that you're gonna have this really young group of shortstops headlined by Celestin in this farm system again, guys like Michael Arroyo, Cole Young, and then the three first round picks this year, which you wouldn't be surprised if they pick another shortstop. Is that something they really have in mind when they see this sort of really blue chip international guy and are comfortable trading some of their young younger guy, younger guys and younger shortstops from the system as you go forward. 00:12:47 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think specifically in the case of Neuelvie Marte, he had no Felinian Seleston had nothing to do with theuolv Marte. I mean Marte should play for the Reds in twenty twenty three. Felnian Celestin is you know, twix twenty seven, right, So with Arroyo, I'm sure there was a little bit of hesitancy with wanting to deal him. I mean, we've heard Jerry Depoto say as much that won't really hurt to deal him, but in a vacuum. I don't think philosophically, any organization is willing to trade one teenage shortstop because they have another teenage shortstop, because the volatility in that group is just so high. I mean, Michael Arroyo is probably going to move to third base this season or second base this season. Cole Young is certainly no surefire shortstop, and if he is, he's just going to be average at best. You Adam Frazer esque at that type of position. So yeah, I don't think you ever trade from an area of depth at such a low minors level when you know that you're landing another teenage shortstop. So to answer your question, probably that probably Seleiston probably had absolutely nothing to do with their comfortability level to move Arroyo. 00:13:56 Speaker 2: Well, just going off that, now that Arroyo and Marte are out of the system, but you have guys like Celestine, Michael Arroyo, even Cole Young in the system. Where does their infield depth rank now with Celestine compared to where it was when they had a Royo in Marte. 00:14:13 Speaker 3: In terms of the farm. Yeah, Well, like I said, it's it's an impressive young teenage group of infielders. There's no doubt about that. Cole Young can really hit. I mean I watched him going back to when he was a junior in high school in Pennsylvania. The kid can really really hit. Michael Royo, I think has been a guy that has blown expectations out of the water his first year in the organization. I think he's kind of got that hidden gem label that's been thrown around a bit. But at the same time, like you got to look at it from this perspective. They may have infield depth in their farm system, but you're not gonna see any of these guys until at least twenty twenty five, right, So how much depth do you really have? You can look at it last year and say, Okay, if if everything went wrong in twenty twenty three and au Heno Suarez got hurt and JP Crawford got hurt. Noelvie Marte would have been a very real option. That will not be the case for the next two seasons for Seattle. They are not going to have a prospect that's going to be an option. So from that regard, they got probably more players, more talent, but they're a long ways away, and. 00:15:22 Speaker 1: We could throw Axel Sanchez in there as well. Sure, yeah, yeah, So I guess one last question I have with Celestin. I mean, where does this sort of historically rank for the Mariners in terms of international signing. I mean, the two guys that everyone thinks of first is Felix and Julio, which both you know turn out to be pretty slam dunks. But as my limited knowledge on Mariner's high profile international signings for the last twenty years, I mean, are there some other guys I'm missing there where this stacks up against? And I guess I'm not really sure where those guys ended up as things went along, So do you have an idea about that? 00:15:59 Speaker 3: I mean, Felix Hernandez wasn't a high profile signing out of the international free agent class. He just kind of exploded, you know, he just turned into something that they didn't expect him to be when he when he went pro he surged through the system. You know, it took him two years to go to Tacoma, which is unheard of. But I think to answer your question, you know, the international signing period, the international signing process has changed so much. It's no longer a wild wild West. There's no longer guys like Rusney Castillo for the Red Sox getting you know, fifty million dollars on the open market. Because it's a bidding war. You're capped by your bonus pool. So I think to answer your question, we're not going to know what Philmy and Celeston move means to the organization from an international standpoint for another eight years. But what we do know is what Julio Rodriguez means to the organization. He's already you know, promotes the organization effortlessly with his play. Felix Hernandez obviously plays a big part in that in the past, with with his performances, and if you know, if Celestin never does anything, he won't mean anything to the Mariners. But in terms of high profile signings at the time. This is by far the biggest bonus. It's by far the biggest ranking. Yeah, this is this. This is a pretty This is a pretty significant deal in terms of the history of international signings for the organization. 00:17:19 Speaker 1: And for the rest of the class as well. I mean, could you highlight a couple other guys that you're really high on that maybe not be as well known. 00:17:28 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the guy that I've been pounding the drum for is Dylan Wilson out of Kiras Out. Six foot one, six foot one and a half, one hundred and seventy five pounds, really whippy arm, very lean, super athletic two way player in Kiras Out. For whatever that's worth. At sixteen, I'm up to ninety one, huge banger, curveball I've heard comps of. You know, maybe he ends up something akin to a right handed version of Rohannas Elias. And you know, anytime you can get a player that makes it to the big leagues at all from an international signing period, its win. You don't have to have you know so and so turning into a star for it to be a big win. You're signing these guys at sixteen, they're all wild cards. So Dylan Wilson is a big one. Jeter Martinez is obviously going to be the one that everyone talks about. He got a pretty big bonus. Six foot three, six foot four up to ninety two, heavy sinker with a darting slider that tunnels off of that fastball. So those are going to be two guys that I really like. I think, you know, if they throw strikes, they could conceivably move kind of quickly into Arizona in twenty twenty four, but that is never to be taken advantage of. I mean, you look at you look back at one Pinto and one Pinto is signed in twenty twenty one. Now as a sixteen year old, he's still in the Dominican Summer League because he's still struggling to throw strikes. So I'm very excited to get into the spring to see exactly what these guys have, how polished they are, and see whether or not Seattle's got any real gems here. 00:18:53 Speaker 2: Well, this has been great. I think we've learned a lot just in these fifteen minutes here about Thalnean Celliston and other pieces of the international class as well. Because that was The question I had was who are some of the more underrated guys that might be, you know, flying under the radar and not talked about as much. But that was some really, really good information. I learned a lot, for sure in the a few minutes. 00:19:12 Speaker 3: Yeah good. I mean, I'd say, listen, anytime you're going to spend two thirds of your bonus pool on one player, the rest of the class is going to be limited. I mean, one guy got four point seven million dollars out of six point whatever million that's available, and you got to, you know, spread the rest of the two million out between eleven, twelve, thirteen other guys. So generally, if you're gonna have a headliner, you're gonna have a bunch of other guys that have smaller bonuses, less media coverage, less highlights out there, less film to evaluate. But I do think Seattle's got a couple of pretty good ones in Wilson and Martinez, and you know, hopefully for Seattle's fans sake, for prospect hunters, Sealastin moves very very quickly, and he's a he's an immediate success. 00:19:58 Speaker 2: TJ. You're ready to move on to catchers, here, let's do it. Okay, so we're going to start previewing position by position where the Mariners should profile and rank at each spot going into the twenty twenty three season. With Joe on with us today, he's going to help you the first position breakdown with us, which is the catcher spot, and the catcher spot maybe outside of center field at the starting position might be the most secure spot on the roster. Now, Joe, I'll let you give your own thoughts on that. But is it a fair expectation after the season that cal Raley just had to say, Yeah, he's probably going to be behind the plate for one hundred and fifteen to one hundred and twenty games next year barring injury. 00:20:37 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I would think so. He's a big time regular catcher. He's got the tools, he's got the army's got the power, he's got the difference making ability to play, you know, behind the plate four days of the week, right, and he's talented enough offensively to where when he does have a day off, he might actually consider him for the designated hitter spot to really rotate those outfielders around. So to answer your question, and yes, I don't think I will say I think Seattle fans might be getting a little ahead of themselves with what he is offensively. I have no doubts that cal Ralely is going to, you know, be a guy that hits twenty four to thirty home runs. He's that kind of player, He's that kind of body. But uh, you know, I'm seeing a lot of people suggest he's going to take the next step and he's going to hit two forty He's going to hit two forty five, two fifty. You know, that's a huge jump, right for a guy that had as much swing and miss as cal Raley did, that's a huge jump. But I do think the elimination of the shift is going to help cal quite a bit. He's obviously hit for a ton of power, and he did make adjustments late in the season, specifically against the changeup that I think if he can carry over into twenty twenty four, twenty twenty three, you know, he could be one of the top five or six catchers in the league. 00:21:47 Speaker 1: What do you think is a fair expectation for him? Then? 00:21:51 Speaker 3: I was talking with Jason Churchill about this on one of his podcasts, and I think the numbers that I threw out was two thirty, like two twenty five, two thirty. I think the on base that I threw out was three three fifteen or three twenty. He's never a guy that walked all that much, but the slugging is where you can really make up a lot of that'd be a four to eighty slugging guy. So you know, if you're a if you're a three point fifteen four eighty and you're pushing eight hundred ops for a catcher, that's a really good player, right, especially a guy that threw out you know, I don't even remember why sixty percent of the base Steelers or something that that might be really high, but yeah, I mean, if you're a defensive asset and you're posting an eight hundred OPS with twenty five twenty six home runs, that's a pretty significant value behind the plate. 00:22:39 Speaker 1: I know, being a switch hitter as a catcher is really, really, extremely valuable. And Lil and I were kind of looking at the breakdown of how col operates from each side of the plate. Lefty is his slugging side, and I didn't realize it, but his right side was honestly more of his on base side. You still like what he produces from both sides of the plate. Maybe want to see a little bit more power of the right side to sort of buy into what he is as a hitter, or is it okay maybe that he's you know, he's getting you know, most of his walks from the right side somehow from what we see at the plate, And what are your thoughts on that? 00:23:13 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think actually from the right side of the plate, he's got a much flatter swings. It's way more line drive oriented. He's not going to be a home run hitter from the right side. I wouldn't expect him to take a huge jump in the power department from the right side. But if you are drawing up that on base percentage from the right side and you are hitting ringing doubles into the right center field gap opposite way, and that's your approach, you're gonna find plenty of success there. That being said, if there was ever a layup right for the time to get cal off his feet, it would be with a lefty on the mound and get Tom Murphy behind the plate, because Tom has hit lefties very very well in his career and Cooper Humble needs to find out bats too. So I think in a perfect world, at least for the first six to eight weeks. Borring injury during the season, You're probably not gonna see Cal behind the plate as much as as much as he did last year. 00:24:00 Speaker 2: It's actually a good segue here because breaking down the entire position more than just Cal. Raleigh teams expecting to get Tom Murphy back this year unhealthy, and you just mentioned it. He's really hit well against Lefti's his whole career, and it seems like the philosophy the Mariners are going with here in twenty twenty three, there's gonna be a lot of platoons between left field between second base. Is that what you expect to see them do at the catcher's position as well of when there's a lefty on the mound, we might see a lot more Tom Murphy at. 00:24:27 Speaker 3: Least early on. Yeah, I mean it's kind of easy money, right Tom Murphy's been good against lefties. You can't put Tom Murphy and you know his durability concerns out there more than you probably want. So Tom Murphy probably gets some time at the DH position too with lefties on the mound. But yeah, I think in general, you're going to see Cal rawly behind the plate against righty's. You're going to see Tom Murphy behind the plate against lefties more often than not. And you're gonna see Cooper Humble sprinkled in there as well, because the team does want to see what Cooper Humble uh is able to do behind the plate. You know, at the at we're still talking about a guy that's a better athlete than anyone in the organization behind the plate. Cooper Humble is doesn't have a great arm, but he moves latterly, latterally while he blocks the ball. Well, you know, if the team was able to give Luis Urenz the at bats that they gave him last year, you have to expect, through attrition and injury, Cooper Humble's gonna find some some time behind the plate this year. So uh yeah, I think I think Seattle is in a good place both in terms of like a floor a foundation so long as cal Raly stays healthy, but also some exciting upside with with what Cooper Humble could provide to the organization, both in terms of versatility and just exciting upside and control because you know, they've got Cooper Humble for five six years. 00:25:45 Speaker 1: The thing I'm concerned about though, before we get to to Cooper Humble, which we will talk about. But Tom Murphy, I mean, he's not on the field very much one hundred games in the past two seasons, especially last year. It's should shoulder surgery in June of last year. So I'm just not sure how I how comfortable I am putting Tom Murphy out there maybe three four days a week. Not sure how he's gonna hold up, because it just hasn't given you any reason to even though I think it's the best option. Do you think there's you know, maybe a certain number of games they're looking at or Tom Murphy. It's like, well, we need to be careful with this because you know he can be fragile at times, as much as you know that that workout guy he is, and I'll hear how strong he is and how much he lifts in the gym, but doesn't really translate to durability on the field. 00:26:30 Speaker 3: No, and especially with a bulky shoulder, you got to be really careful with that. It's one thing to break your foot. You break your foot. That's a very straightforward healing process. There's not a lot of check ins that need to be done there. If you fray a shoulder that that can really linger. So at least early on in the season, especially in the spring in April, the team's probably gonna be pretty cautious with Tom. They're gonna watch how he's responding, They're gonna watch how sore he is in the mornings. I can't imagine you're ever gonna see Tom Murphy on back to back days the first month of the season. That being said, in terms of how I view Tom Murphy as a backup in the organization, I would challenge you to find any other team. There are teams the Blue Jays, for example, but I would challenge you to find many other teams that have a better backup catcher with offensive assets, you know, power than Tom Murphy. You know, there's no guarantee that he's going to be what he was in twenty twenty or even some of twenty twenty one, but at a minimum, I would say Seattle is well positioned compared to other teams in terms of their catching situation. 00:27:38 Speaker 1: What's the rehab process, Like, how long is it for his shoulder? 00:27:42 Speaker 3: It can be long, it can I mean, I don't remember exactly what the what the injury was. I want to say it was afraid Labraham of some sort. I mean, that can take sixteen months for some people. Now, Tom, I think dealt with that injury in like May or June. So he's going to be in a pretty good place. You know. I don't have the I don't have the timelines in front of me, so I don't want to comment on it specifically, But the shoulder is generally what takes the longest in the body to recover, and especially for a guy that is going to be throwing down a second on multiple times, on multiple occasions during the game, they're going to want to make sure he's right. 00:28:23 Speaker 2: Well, I'm excited about Tom Murphy. I've always liked his game, especially from the offensive side. But to TJ's point, yeah, you just want to see him stay on the field because if he can do that, that's a pretty good tandem the Mariners have. But I am interested to hear about Cooper Hummel because you mentioned him here a couple of minutes ago, and I'm kind of getting the sense that the Mariners very sneaky, really like what he brings to the table between his versatility, his walk rate, his club control. Should we expect to see him on the roster on opening day. 00:28:53 Speaker 3: Oh, I definitely think so. Yeah. But I think he's going to be in a role He's not Catcher is not going to be his title. You know, he's going to be a utility guy. He's going to be playing the outfield just as much as he's going to play behind the plate. Cooper. Humble can really move. I think there's this misnomer about catchers that their statues back there and they're you know, Louise You watch Louis nz move around. He looked good at second and third base, but imagining that in the outfield, I mean that's not confidence inducing. Humble is different than that. He's a plus runner. He doesn't have a great arm, but he's got offensive tools. He's got bat speed, he's you know, he can hit it gap to gap. His exit velocities in the minor leagues last year were actually pretty inspiring. So he's he's probably the biggest question mark and unknown that I'm excited to see what comes of it in twenty twenty three, especially with this team's track record. You know, they put guys in positions to succeed. You look at what they've been able to squeeze out of Sam Haggerty. It's it's really pretty amazing considering, you know, where his career has taken us to this point. Dylan Moore was a minor league free agent that they pulled in, you know, several years ago. He wasn't even offered a forty man spot, and they've turned him into something on the fringes of a big league regular. So if they can find that same sort of success with Cooper Humble as they've found with some of these other super utility types, I think they're going to have a pretty pretty exciting player and a pretty valuable player that can take on a number of hats over the course of an entire season. 00:30:21 Speaker 1: Should we expect to also see Brian O'Keefe at some time on this Mariners roster throughout the season, see probably the number one backup in the minor leagues. 00:30:30 Speaker 3: I would think, so, I mean, at one, you got to look at it this way. Catchers are probably the guys they get beat up more than anyone, and if Cal Rawly or Tom Murphy get hurt for any extended amount of time, Cooper Hummel isn't the type of player right now that I think you would trust putting behind the plate for several days a week behind the play. So I would think that Brian O'Keefe would probably be the first call and he would probably play once a week just to get those guys off the off of the diamond. 00:31:00 Speaker 2: And then who's behind o'keith at this point. Looking a little bit further down into the minor leagues. 00:31:05 Speaker 3: Well, I think the number one guy you got to look at. Listen, there are other guys that are making their way through the system that are fringier, guys that I don't think the organization would be in a huge rush to put on the major league grosser. I think there are trade options out there that make a lot more sense than some of the Double a's and the backups at Triple A. But you got to look at Harry Ford, right, So, Harry Ford was a menace last season, especially the second half, second two thirds of the season. He's going to probably start the season in Everett, and if he tears the cover off the ball like he did for the last three or four months of the season, there is a better than not chance that Harry Ford, as long as he can handle a pitching staff, sees Arkansas and Double A in August, you know, for the last month of the season, and once you get to double A, it's all bets are off, right, So if Seattle needs someone late in the season, I would be stunned. I put in a five percent chance that we see her Ford this year. But twenty twenty four comes around and Harry Ford is definitely going to be in the blueprint of this team, maybe not on an opening day, but summer of twenty twenty four, especially with Tom Murphy potentially on the way out in the next year or two, Harry Ford's got to be in their plans. 00:32:14 Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess that was my real question, just to wrap this up, as I figured there's the next to none chance that Ford's in the big leagues this year, So just kind of going down that depth a little bit. If for some reason, there was a bunch of injuries, if you need O'Keefe and then somebody else, whether it be Jacob Nottingham or somebody further down in the system. It sounds like you feel like if they got to that point, it would probably just come via the trade, right, Yeah. 00:32:39 Speaker 3: I mean like there are guys like Tatum Levins is a guy that I think is you know he could move fairly quickly. He was a twenty three year old draft pick out of Pittsburgh. Hits the ball really hard, but pretty fringy behind the plate. You know, I don't even know if Jake and Chia is still with the organization, but he's been a defensive or an offensive liability, but he does have power. Jake and Chia could potentially be an option, So yeah, Like and Jacob Nottingham is you know, Jacob Nottingham, with all due respect, has a decent little hit tool, but he doesn't offer much else in terms of the rest of his profiles. So I think at that point, you know, once you're calling up guys like Jacob Nottingham, once you're calling up guys like Jake and Shea, you're probably looking at the at the trade market if you are going to be a contender in twenty twenty three and giving teams a call about a Jacob Stallings or you know McCann with I don't even remember where he just went went and got traded to from the Mets. But guys on a one year deal that can just be a stopgap to get you to October. 00:33:40 Speaker 1: Well that's great, Joe really appreciate all the information you've been able to shed on us for this interview today. Congratulations. You're the first guests we've had on in this iteration of the podcast. You can find all of Joe's work at prospectslive dot com. There, director of the MLB Draft, plenty of information about the Mariners prospects and everything else you need to know about the lower levels of baseball. Joe, thanks so much. You really appreciate it. 00:34:04 Speaker 3: Absolutely, Guys, it was fun. 00:34:07 Speaker 2: Well, thanks so much to Joe Doyle for hopping on with us. I thought that was a great interview TJ. I don't know about you, but there was a lot I learned. I was pretty interested to hear what he had to say about cal raley swing, especially from the right side, that he's really impressed with it. 00:34:21 Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes a lot more sense when you think about it, and even if you just watch it, I mean you you can kind of pinpoint it. But you know, when you're just sitting back, you have a beer in hand and you're watching the baseball game, that's not really something you think about. But the numbers really reflect that with Cal Rawly, and it was also good to learn a lot about his thoughts on the international signings and Celestin. Again, a guy who's who's sixteen, seventeen years old signing for the Mariners four point seven million of a six point three million pool of international money that people are gonna be excited about. But again, he's not even gonna play state side ball for over a year. Over a year, so we can watch his Dominican Summer League numbers in Bemoan over how good that he looks. But you know, it's gonna be a process. I mean, he's, you know, minimum four years away from the miners. But it's good to see that there's some more excitement around a prospect like this on the international signing that I don't think we've seen since Julio tore up the Dominican Summer League and then makes his way straightside and then tears the cover off the ball. 00:35:20 Speaker 2: Well, you mean four years from the majors, right, I think I'll be in the miners in twenty four. 00:35:25 Speaker 1: Yeah, for the majors. 00:35:27 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, sorry, you said four years from the miners. I was like, well, I hope it's not that long. That'd be bad. 00:35:32 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that would be an issue. 00:35:35 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it'll be fun to see him in the DSL because there's been some Mariners prospects that have played in the Dominican Summer League over the years that people get really excited about between Julio, between Noelvi Marte. We saw it last year with Lazaro Montes. Seleston's probably the next guy, So it was pretty cool to hear Joe hop on and give us some real insight on that, because really, you're not gonna find many people that have a better breakdown and have more knowledge on where Selastin's at in his development and how he fares as a prospect than Joe Doyle does, because he does a ton of work on this stuff and he does a great job. So we thank him so much for coming on with us. Now let's get to our MLB wrap around. Well, TJ news is getting lighter and lighter as the weeks are going on, but there was still a signing this week Trey Mancini. He signs with the Cubs two year deal, opt out after one year, but the Cubs get another good productive bat in the lineup. 00:36:40 Speaker 1: And Cubs first baseman Lyle last year had a OPS of about six hundred six twenty six, the worst mark on their entire team. So it's pretty obvious. Yeah, we need a bat at first base, and I think at his point of this point of Trey's career, he'll be thirty one when next season goes a lot. That's the kind of guy they need. Traded from the Orioles to the Astros this past year at the trade deadline, didn't do a whole lot with Houston. I thought that was a really good fit for him. But I'll have a chance to get two years of security. That's nice to see for him after being, you know, really a fan favorite with Baltimore. 00:37:18 Speaker 2: He's never been an elite player. He's always been a good player. Twenty nineteen was probably his best year, nearly a four war one thirty four ops plus. Even in twenty twenty one he put up nearly a two win season. So he's a guy for the Cubs that really had issues at first base last year. He should be able to fill the void. 00:37:38 Speaker 1: I still can't believe the Orioles traded him, though they'll know like he was their cleanup hitter. He's that veteran guy amongst all the youngsters there. I seems like an excuse to not spend any money. 00:37:54 Speaker 2: You think they should have given him some type of extension. I don't think it would be anything crazy, but maybe you're thinking an extension of something along the lines of four to five years for twelve to fourteen million dollars a year. 00:38:08 Speaker 1: Four to five, how about two like what he got, because that's honestly probably where his values at right now. So even two guaranteed years, I think Trey would be totally okay with that. 00:38:18 Speaker 2: I'm sure the Cubs like his versatility too, just because he can play first base, he can play the outfield, he can DH if they need him to. I do have one gripe with what the Cubs are doing at first base because Trey Mancini. He's going to play a decent amount of the time and he'll be in the lineup most days. I mean, why is Eric Osmer there? 00:38:37 Speaker 1: Like? 00:38:37 Speaker 2: Why why is he going to get repped for the Chicago Cubs? 00:38:40 Speaker 1: Seriously, he's still under contract, isn't he with that the deal that padre sign him too? 00:38:46 Speaker 2: Right? He is. And here's my biggest gripe, not just the fact that Eric Cosmer has negative value to any team that he plays on at this point, considering he objectively is putting up negative wars these days. Have you been paying attention to what Matt Nervis has done for the Cubs in the minor leagues. I mean, that's a guy that you and I both saw in the KPE League and he was good back then. You look at him now. Matt Nervis crushed it across three levels of the miners. Last year. He put up a nine to eighty four ops WRC plus above one point fifty. He's not young. I mean, he's going into his age twenty five season, so it's not like they feel like he needs that much more development. I mean, it feels like they're probably just gonna bring him up in May and kind of manipulate a service time. 00:39:34 Speaker 1: Probably stick him at DH. Oh yes, or stick Tray at DH and stick him at first base. So that'll be interesting. I'm still trying to figure out if the Cubs are in win now mode. They're thinking they're gonna win now even though the roster is not good enough to win now. So you look at a couple of free agents signing, He's like, hmm, do we have the prospect capital to be good? Do we have the players on our major league roster? To be good. I'm not sure the only thing that I thought of when you mentioned Eric Cosmer do you think our show would get banned for all streaming platforms if we had our friend Chase on to talk about Eric? 00:40:05 Speaker 2: Oh, our buddy is a perfect embodiment for all Padres fans because he's really kind of shined the light on how people in San Diego feel about Eric Osmer. I'm not gonna quite say it's Joey Gallo levels in New York, but man, people in San Diego wanted nothing to do with Eric Osmer, especially those last couple of years. 00:40:30 Speaker 1: I don't think there was any more. There wasn't a funnier moment across the whole last season of baseball than when Eric Hosmer was holding up the one Soto tree. Oh my goodness, that was I could not stop laughing while that was going down, and just seeing Chase like really, I mean he he was pissed and thankfully they figured it out. But man, oh man. 00:40:57 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's had a tough sports calendar this year. Just between what happened with the Chargers this past weekend, eric Hosmer nearly blocking them from acquiring Juan Soto. Yeah, it's wild. I will say though, if mervs does not come up until May, wouldn't exactly be the first time that the Cubs have manipulated a player's service time, Considering they did it with Chris Bryant back when he was a rookie. So the Cubs certainly have a bit of a track record for doing it. But I don't know how you look at that roster and say you'd rather have Osmer playing, but Mancini should help. 00:41:32 Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's just it's interesting with the Cub's perspective in terms of manipulating prospects. I know, like the rules have changed to even it out a little bit, and if guys finished top three in the Rookie of the Year or win the Rookie of the Year, they get a year knocked off. So I don't know just the way the Cubs operate it. They operate more like a like a mid to lower market team, even though they're in the third largest city in America. Like, they didn't extend Bryant, probably looking out Bryant looks now, probably for the best. Probably could have signed Rizzo, uh, you know, Hobby. They didn't offer they you know, gave him to the Mets, Contreras, Yeah, Contraller, I mean I don't I honestly don't know why they didn't do that deal with Contreras, Like you don't find hitters like that behind the plate, and the Cubs like just they operate like underneath their where we expect them. Because if you look at all the other the the other four big massive market teams Mets, Yankees, Dodgers, Angels, or any of those four teams necessarily cheap. 00:42:39 Speaker 2: No, And did you throw the Mets in there too? No, them too? 00:42:45 Speaker 1: Which, sorry you cut out there for a second. 00:42:47 Speaker 2: I said, did you throw the Mets into that equation too? 00:42:50 Speaker 1: I did, Yeah, Mets used to be cheap and not with Steve Cohen. 00:42:53 Speaker 2: Right right, right, exactly. Yeah, I don't get it either with the Cubs, but they did sign Danzby Swanson to be so they made one big signing and again, man seen, he's a fine player. Like that's a good b move for a team that's looking to compete this offseason or in this season for that matter. I don't think they're in rebuild mode anymore. The moves they've made suggests that they're going to try and win. But I wouldn't stack them up as being one of the top two to three teams in the National League or anything like that. 00:43:23 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so we'll just have to see, speaking of teams being cheap, whether this is actually cheap or just maybe a disagreement of skill and talents. All I'll mention it, there's not too much news, So what news? What other news we can spread here on this MLB wrap around. We've each picked out a couple of arbitration cases that kind of raised the eyebrow a little bit and could maybe forecast the future of where these players are going to go. I'll start off with mine, the first one I wrote down. As we're looking at some arbitration cases. The deadline was earlier this week in terms of teams and players meeting their arbitration cutoff. Max Freed and the Braves did not agree on arbitration. They will go to arbitration again. They did it last year and they're gonna do it again this year. 00:44:11 Speaker 3: But this year. 00:44:12 Speaker 1: Last year was over I think six hundred thousand dollars. This year's over a million and a half. The Braves filed at thirteen and a half million to pay Freed this year. Freed wants fifteen million dollars. This is a guy coming off the second cy Young in twenty twenty two. And sometimes with these cases you worry about the trust between the team and the player deteriorating, and a guy like Max Freed, as we've seen with a couple of free agents like Freddy Freeman and dance By Swanson, they're not willing to take a club friendly extension. The Braves seem more than happy to let those guys walk. 00:44:48 Speaker 2: It seems like that may be the crash course we're on with Max Freed, just because the Braves have been phenomenal about extending so many of their homegrown players. Doesn't feel like it's trending that way with Freed, especially now that there's been multiple cases and arbitration with him in the club. That usually doesn't sit well with the player when you have to see the club say we don't think you're worth what you believe that you are, and I feel like, again, I just feel like that's where this is heading. I mean, they locked up Spencer Strider, they have a really good rotation, but it just feels like Freed is going to be one of these guys, like you said, like Freddie like Dansby that's probably going to demand more money in free agency than the Braves might be willing to pay. 00:45:33 Speaker 1: We've we've highlighted this, but every Braves extension they've done is significantly under market, and a guy who's like, I want to be paid my market value, they're probably not staying. I mean, yeah, it's not a hot take. 00:45:46 Speaker 2: No, he just finished as the runner up for the cy Young this year. I would say he deserves fifteen million dollars. 00:45:54 Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. And you know in his sorry before you go, alau, I mean for his extension. I mean the Braves would probably offer him maybe what twenty million dollars a year, and he's gonna be like, hmm, I want thirty five. No, I mean that's where I'd envision that going. 00:46:11 Speaker 2: And he'll have a case for it if he puts up another good year or two here, because I mean, you finished that high in cy Young voting and put up as many good seasons as Freed has. He's gonna warrant top end starting pitcher money on the market, so we may see him get it. There was some Mariners news this week in arbitration, and it involves Taoscar, Hernandez and the team. There are a couple million dollars apart on what they each filed for. I will give the Mariners credit for this. They are usually pretty good about working this stuff out. I know some people like to give this team a hard time about payroll, about signing free agents, about certain club extensions. When it comes to arbitration, you don't usually see the club have too many issues with their players. I think this is gonna get resolved with Taoscar in the club. I don't really think it's that big of a deal. If you want to look last half fall. This does give them a little more time to potentially work out an extension if that's a route the Mariners are interested in going with him. 00:47:11 Speaker 1: The only thing I think about is do the Mariners want to extend him. I'm not sure if they know that yet. They have an idea of who he is and what kind of player he is when they traded for him. However, maybe they just want to see a year's worth of production, or even half a season's worth of production at t Mobile Park, to see how he'll adjust to the climate, to see how he'll adjust to the clubhouse, and just see how he hits in a more spacious, pitcher friendly park, and you know, maybe with they want to get a better idea of how his bat will age, especially because he strikes out a little bit, doesn't walk as much. That's not necessarily the approach that ages as well, So that's something they might want to feel out a little bit as the season goes. 00:47:55 Speaker 2: On, And obviously was a problem with Jesse Winker last year, so maybe they're a little bit cautious for that reason. Although Taoskar is a different player than Jesse Winker is for sure, Yeah, it'll be interesting. The only thing I think about with the Mariners is if they well, first off, if their idea is to try and extend Taoscar halfway through the season and he's playing well, he may say no at that point just because he feels him and his agent feel like they might get more money on the actual free agent market. The other part of this is if the Mariners don't extend him before the season, they're gonna be right back at the drawing board again next winner with their outfield, because look, we hope Jared kellen Nick pans out. You know, I'm as big a believer as in him as anybody. But even if he pans out this year, they're still going to have one, at most maybe two gaping holes in the outfield. Next year, they're going to be right back at the drawing board because Taoscar and Pollock are both on one year deals. 00:48:53 Speaker 1: But this is what they kind of asked for, to be honest, they came out probably in the middle of the offseason said, yeah, looking for one year deals. It's like, okay, so you're essentially just patching over the problem until you find your long term solution there. I don't know what the answer is next year, to be honest, I mean I kind of question the one year approach. Un less it is to land one show hey Otani, in which case you're like, well, we'll work it out, in which case I'm like, okay, you guys, go right ahead. But if they don't land him, and they're like, okay, well we're setting up a bunch of one year deals for a chance at him, and now we're kind of left with our hands open for a kind of thin hitter free agent market. Next year. It's like we're gonna have to trade more of our prospects to get guys when we could just sign them in free agency for a perhaps three year deal. I don't know already a thing. We've talked about a ton this offseason, and it'll be something we'll keep track of as we go along. Last guy, for me, lyle a difference here between the Blue Jays and Boba Schett, their shortstop. It's just entering his first arbitration year. He filed that seven point five million, the Jays at five million. I don't see the problem with paying Bobachhett seven and a half million dollars for the amount of value. He produces a little bit of radic at shortstop, but a very good hitter, high contact rate, doesn't strike out a whole long ton and hit and hits the ball pretty hard as well. 00:50:19 Speaker 2: Finished top twelve at MVP voting this past year too. Yeah, there's not gonna be many times in arbitration where I am personally gonna side against the player, because usually the player is worth what they're asking for. Again, if you just go by war, Boba Schett putting up just under four wins this past year was worth nearly thirty two million bucks. I think he's I think he has warranted what he's asking for. 00:50:49 Speaker 1: One hundred percent, and yeah, I don't know. The Blue Jays are gonna have to start paying some guys here. Eventually someone is gonna get extended, you know, Bobaschett. They've already signed George Springer to a big contract. I know. That's why they sort of traded Taoscar away because they're like, WHOA, maybe someone's gonna have to go, and they chose Taoskar to let go of. They're gonna have to eventually sign Flatty to an extension. If they really like Varshow, they're gonna have to sign him. They've already signed guys like, you know, Kevin Gosman to a big contract. Maybe they want to extend Alec Manoa as well. There's a whole bunch of options there for the Blue Jays, and it's something that's on their mind as the years go along. 00:51:26 Speaker 2: Before we get to my last guy, just on a little personal note, anytime I hear Bobashett, I never get over the fact that that when we were at school, when we were at Arizona State, there was a potential, once upon a time in our freshman year to see a team that consisted of Gavin Lux and Bobashett and Spencer Torkelsen and Hunter Bishop Like that's wild. I know, Lux has been just okay so far in the majors although he was a top five prospect. Hunter Bishops had his struggles in the minors, but obviously was phenomenal in college. I mean, I don't know how that team offensively would not have averaged about eight runs a game. 00:52:06 Speaker 1: I mean, Boba Schett would have hit about four hundred in the PAC twelve. 00:52:10 Speaker 2: I mean, to put it lightly, you might have hit higher. 00:52:14 Speaker 1: Yeah, he might, he might have. I was just kind of envisioning that. And and I'm gonna make the Joe Clyle. They still would have won maybe thirty four games and lost in a region they might have man Yeah, probably what about many were they were challenged on the mound. 00:52:30 Speaker 2: Yeah, they would have lost about fifteen to twelve or something like that with that team. Well, last guy here on my orchestration list that I wanted to talk about, Corbyn Burns. He files at ten point seventy five million. The Brewers file at check this out ten point oh one million. First off, what like, just file at ten million? Why ten point oh one million? But to keep going along with this, Corbyn Burns is one of the ten best pitchers on the planet. He's asking for just under eleven million bucks. Come on, like, give the guy what he's asking for. 00:53:13 Speaker 1: The Brewers are going to trade either Brandon Woodriff or Carbon Burns like that is that is certain. They're not gonna pay both those They are not in a market where they they say, at least they can't afford to pay those players. So one of them is gonna get traded. And you know, Corbyn Burns, if they keep you know, lowballing him, it might be like, hey, I go to a big market, they'll pay me my worth. I'll get thirty million dollars a year on my next contract. I know the Brewers aren't going to give thirty million dollars on that contract, especially because the last long term contract the Brewers gave out has aged horribly, horribly. Christian Yelich has not been very good since he signed that extension. Literally from the day he signed that extension, he has not been good. 00:54:00 Speaker 2: It's true. I mean, he had those couple of elite MVP level seasons he won an MVP back in the late the late twenty tens, we should say, but yeah, you're right, since he got that big extension because you remember how awful the first extension he was on was when he signed that contract with the Marlins. But since he got what he at the time was worth from the Brewers, yeah, it's gone downhill. I don't think that's an excuse for the Brewers to not pay corpyin Burns. You need elite starting pitching to be competitive in baseball. But that doesn't mean they'll do it either. 00:54:33 Speaker 1: Nope. But if they don't do it, someone else will. 00:54:36 Speaker 2: It's true. 00:54:38 Speaker 1: Ugh, all right, let's oh yeah, any got something else? 00:54:43 Speaker 2: No, that's just about it. I was going to say, one of these days these owners will final all these owners will finally wake up and realize you have to spend money to make money. But today's not that day. Will they well, probably not. Will they do Probably not? 00:54:56 Speaker 1: I don't think. I think now they would because they're making more money than they ever have and well, the a's still exist. Yeah. Let's close up the show now with Speak your Mind, Speak your Mind? 00:55:06 Speaker 2: Spot. 00:55:10 Speaker 1: That would be unwise. 00:55:13 Speaker 2: What is necessary is never unwise. 00:55:16 Speaker 1: All right, Wow, what's up first for you on Speak your Mind? 00:55:20 Speaker 2: I've just got one for this week, and I gotta tell you. I'm sick of this new interface on Twitter. I hate it so much. Why. I don't know why in the world I have two separate tabs with one tab that says for you, that's almost all of the exact same tweets that's on your second tab, which is the following page aka the people you actually follow. I don't know if this has been happening for you, but my two feeds look almost identical, and I'm getting sick and tired of having a swipe back and forth between for you and following to use Twitter, Like, can't everything just be on one feed? Please? Like, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. It was so perfect the way it was for all those years. 00:56:04 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean this option was always available. You could like go up into the setting stab and change your feed to It was either uh, I think it's most It was like most popular and excuse me, or most relevant and then most recent, which I liked. But it wasn't like it wasn't forced at the top of your screen where you had to worry about two separate feeds. It was off in the corner where you could go change it if you wanted to. But now it's like uh, okay, I mean I kind of like the four U option. I like seeing I mean the way I see more funny tweets is when seeing things everyone else likes, So I don't really yeah, I prefer the sort of hidden option. It just kind of makes it more clunky. 00:56:41 Speaker 2: Yeah, And my whole thing is, I feel like I would see a lot of tweets anyway, because for a while, on the main feed, or really the only feed, if people were liking tweets, likes were showing up, so sometimes you'd see more tweets where now you see all that stuff on both tabs, and it just gets so confusing. Like sometimes I think I'm scrolling on the following tab, I'm actually scrolling on the for you tab. I don't know. It's just it's just all in my head and I think it's too confusing. And yeah, you know what, people people are simple minded like me, I'd like everything to be on one feed. 00:57:18 Speaker 1: Do you actually use the following one? I don't. 00:57:22 Speaker 2: Well, that's what I mainly use because that's what it was. I mean, that was the go to, like generic interface before the for you tab was at It wasn't it. It was just who you were following like that's what I prefer to use. 00:57:37 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I liked the format. The way for you is again to see funny tweets and popular ones that I for people I might be following. There's also things you know, I don't like that I see on there, so it'll be interesting. But it's a bit more, you know, gives a little bit more options than guys I could follow, So that'll be interesting enough. You are gonna love my Speak your Mind. Today. He popped up in the news again this morning. I'm not gonna say exactly what he did because I don't think it's really appropriate for this podcast. Bit as soon as we think Antonio Brown has disappeared off the face of the planet and we don't know what he does, he comes back onto the Internet and strikes again. If you want to see the situation I'm talking about, it shouldn't take that much of a Google search to find what he put out this morning. But my goodness, every time this man feels like he's gonna be irrelevant, he it's like a calculated decision that'll hop back onto the Internet and just pose something that's just fucking stupid. I just I'm gonna be with this man. 00:58:43 Speaker 2: I'm gonna be honest, I still don't know exactly what it is that he did. I mean, all I've seen today is he did something really stupid on his Snapchat story and that's it. Maybe that's all I need to know. 00:58:56 Speaker 1: It's probably all you need to know. I mean, what has there been any player in any sport that has fallen off his rocker more after he left his league? And Antonio Brown again, by the way, voluntarily left his league. 00:59:10 Speaker 4: Putting up a b side to the people at the at MetLife Stagium. I mean, anytime we talk about Antonio Brown, I really I can't keep it together. 00:59:23 Speaker 2: I mean, because it just feels like it feels like it's some fiction movie like some it feels like some movie Adam Sandler would put together based on sports, where like you know who in the world tells the general manager of a football team that you're gonna punch him directly in the face like he did to Mike Beyok, And. 00:59:42 Speaker 1: Like now that we look back on it, in his hard knocks face where that happened when he was I still can't believe he was. He was a raider a brief tenure, but that I feel like he remember he burnt his feet on cold on purpose. I think I'm pretty certain it was on purpose to get traded. And it's like, oh, this dude is just reckless and stuff. And then the video that comes out after he got released, he was like. 01:00:07 Speaker 2: Wow, nobody else does that. 01:00:14 Speaker 1: Nobody else. 01:00:15 Speaker 2: Remember Remember when he was a bill, you said, remember when he was a raider? 01:00:22 Speaker 1: I honestly forgot. 01:00:23 Speaker 2: He was a bill for like two days. There was a trade in place to send him to Buffalo, and then it fell through and he ended up going to Vegas or I guess Oakland at the time. Yeah, I mean the fact that he flew in on his hot air balloon and hard knocks, I mean, yeah, the list just goes on for this dude. It never stops. 01:00:40 Speaker 1: Right, Oh my goodness, man, that's that's They should have a camera following him around all every second of every day and put it on television. Beg television, please just offer him some money and put it up so I could be entertained. 01:00:58 Speaker 2: Just have it be his own age show or something. 01:01:02 Speaker 1: I would watch it. 01:01:04 Speaker 2: You probably wouldn't be alone. Yeah, he's he finds his way into the news, that's for sure. But with that that just about wraps up this episode of the Marine Layer Podcast. As always, if you want to continue to follow us, you can follow us on Apple, Spotify, and YouTube full podcasts or across all three of those platforms, along with Amazon and Google. If you use those platforms, you want to follow us on social media, We're on YouTube, shorts, Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok. You can find us at marine Layer Pod. Well for TJ. Matthewson, this has been Lyle Goldstein. We thank you as always for tuning in. We'll talk to you guys next week