Episode 158: Ryan Divish (Seattle Times)

[00:00:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to episode number 158 of the Marine Layer Podcast. We welcome on recurring guest Seattle Times

[00:00:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Mariners beat writer Ryan Divish to chat about Scott Service getting fired, Dan Wilson being the new permanent Mariners manager and

[00:00:13] [SPEAKER_02]: then some interesting things he brought up about the offseason and what could be so we'll dive into that a little bit in the interview

[00:00:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And they'll react to it after the interview as well

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[00:00:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Layer Podcast part of the just baseball podcast network

[00:01:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Recording here on Monday evening August 26th

[00:01:05] [SPEAKER_02]: The Mariners are three and one in the Dan Wilson era

[00:01:09] [SPEAKER_02]: And it was good to have Ryan Divish come on this podcast today and talk a little bit about

[00:01:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Dan getting hired

[00:01:17] [SPEAKER_02]: This some of the fallout from last week

[00:01:19] [SPEAKER_02]: We had our reactions to it, but it's always good to get some perspective from the man who knows it all Ryan Divish himself

[00:01:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Really paints quite a picture of how the Mariners

[00:01:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Organizations some of the players how they operated through last week and how they're gonna look at Dan Wilson here and some of the more of the things

[00:01:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Into the future that was really interesting

[00:01:40] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a reason Ryan's the best at what he does and we're like I know he's eventually gonna stop writing

[00:01:44] [SPEAKER_02]: He said it. He's very public about it. We talk about it in the interview again

[00:01:48] [SPEAKER_02]: But we're really gonna miss him because he's awesome

[00:01:52] [SPEAKER_03]: He's the best there is a reason he is very popular among Seattle media as a podcast guest as a radio guest

[00:01:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Etc because he gives so much information

[00:02:04] [SPEAKER_03]: More than most people will give and he's not afraid to talk about it either which is why he's such an awesome guest

[00:02:09] [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, this episode is gonna be a little bit backwards where

[00:02:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Normally you'll hear us talk for the first

[00:02:17] [SPEAKER_03]: 15 minutes 20 minutes half hour of the show we'll do an interview and then we'll kind of wrap things up

[00:02:21] [SPEAKER_03]: There's so much to react to and take away from this interview because it is a lot that we wanted to

[00:02:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Have the interview

[00:02:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Played let you guys all listen to it first and then the two of us will react to it

[00:02:34] [SPEAKER_03]: afterward because again

[00:02:36] [SPEAKER_03]: That's the bulk of this show. There's a lot to take away. Yes, the Mariners are three and one under Dan Wilson

[00:02:40] [SPEAKER_03]: That's great. I still don't think the offense looks all that inspiring

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_03]: We're gonna need to see a much larger sample size before we make any real conclusions about that

[00:02:48] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's basically the summary. Yeah pretty much

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[00:03:40] [SPEAKER_02]: All right, we welcome on Seattle Times Mariners beat writer Ryan Divish Ryan

[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks so much for taking some time to join us. Let's just jump right into it

[00:03:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Reporting here on Sunday. I want to go back a week ago while Scott services still the manager of the Seattle Mariners

[00:03:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And once you start I guess hearing a little bit more and anticipating a little bit more

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm curious how you have covered having covered Scott for so long

[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Like how you observe the situation and what you thought of it as it was going along before the decision was ultimately made on Thursday

[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's uh, it's weird like I you know, I've covered

[00:04:17] [SPEAKER_00]: I've covered the Mariners since 2006 in some capacity

[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_00]: So I covered my cargo quitting in the middle of a season

[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Mostly over. I think a contract dispute. I

[00:04:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Covered John McLaren his replacement getting fired a year and a half later. I

[00:04:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Covered Don Wachemachs you getting fired

[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_00]: And I covered Eric Wedge

[00:04:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Getting mad because he didn't get the contract extension. He wanted and leaving the organization

[00:04:44] [SPEAKER_00]: I covered when McLaren not getting

[00:04:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Reupt by Jerry de Poe. So this was this was not something new for me, but this is different

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it'd been nine years. So I I've covered Scott a long time

[00:04:57] [SPEAKER_00]: and

[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know like I

[00:05:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Didn't even want to so I pre-reacted I'm sure I've said this before on other stuff

[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_00]: But I pre-wrote my story that Scott was getting fired

[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_00]: I

[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_00]: I

[00:05:14] [SPEAKER_00]: I headline are like a lead for my story on the Saturday of

[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_00]: The Pirate series and I wasn't even covered in the Pirate series Adam Jude was coming to Piracy

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_00]: I was in Montana. I was texting with Adam. I was like, I'm gonna start writing that they're gonna fire Scott

[00:05:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Just because like there's so much acrimony around the organization around him and

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_00]: I got out use

[00:05:38] [SPEAKER_00]: The vocal minority that is Twitter Mariners Twitter as my gauge because that's just I mean it's a lot of

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a small group of very intense people kind of shouting a lot

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_00]: But like I was starting to get a lot of emails and then I was hearing from you know

[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Former Mariners employees and stuff like that. Like oh, this is gonna happen. You know, Jerry's gonna do this

[00:06:01] [SPEAKER_00]: You know Jerry's gonna do this so I started writing it on that Sunday

[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_00]: And then you know, they won on Sunday and I got and I flew in LA and I

[00:06:12] [SPEAKER_00]: After the first game in LA. I wrote

[00:06:15] [SPEAKER_00]: The rest of it on that Tuesday

[00:06:18] [SPEAKER_00]: In at the hotel I sent by the pool at the Pasadena Weston and I wrote I wrote probably

[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_00]: nine paragraphs about Scott being fired just looking back at everything, you know a little like

[00:06:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Open spaces where I would add his record and everything else

[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_00]: And then Wednesday night after they were swept

[00:06:38] [SPEAKER_00]: I stayed at the other stadium updated that story and then even switch my flight to

[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_00]: back to

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Seattle I was flying out at 10. It was the one at the curve around there and I took a

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_00]: 7am flight out of Burbank instead just to make sure that I was back in case something happened

[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_00]: so

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_00]: And even then like through all of that I didn't think

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Just because these guys this isn't what they do. I mean they had they don't fire guys Mazziza

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_00]: At least this regime Jerry hadn't so at the back of my mind is like I did all this work

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_00]: And I got up and got one and a half hours of sleep or whatever and crushed myself thinking they weren't gonna do it

[00:07:19] [SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time like every part of me thought well

[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_00]: If they don't do it now either they're gonna ride it out till the end

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_00]: And then those just fire him after the seasons over with when they don't make the postseason

[00:07:32] [SPEAKER_00]: And so I guess like that's my thinking was just trying to figure out

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Where Jerry fit into it where ownership fit into it, you know would Jerry do that in hopes of like a hail

[00:07:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Mary at the very end to try and pull out a

[00:07:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Pull out a

[00:07:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Miracle playoff appearance. I don't know but then yeah, so then like I woke up that day

[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Thinking yeah, it's probably gonna happen. I've got a couple texts for some people

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_00]: and they were they thought yeah, this will probably be the day and

[00:08:04] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that they were like hard and fast on it, but they thought that

[00:08:08] [SPEAKER_00]: They kind of hinted there have been discussions

[00:08:10] [SPEAKER_00]: So once I know that they're discussing the idea of firing him then you know

[00:08:14] [SPEAKER_00]: The record the struggles for the two months and everything else that just kind of pointed me to what's gonna happen

[00:08:20] [SPEAKER_00]: And yet I didn't break it in had to sit on it for quite a while, too

[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, where does it really quick before we start to dive into more of this stuff

[00:08:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Where does this whole situation rank for you in terms of what you've covered in your career?

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Being a Meredith beat reporter like the chaos of it where does it rank?

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_00]: It's familiar territory just had been

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_00]: unfamiliar for a while, but like

[00:08:45] [SPEAKER_00]: You know and it's not

[00:08:47] [SPEAKER_00]: It's not the PR people's fault like the baseball

[00:08:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Folks like Tim heavily and Alex mayor Adam Grash Freddie. Yonah's towards them. They're all pros

[00:08:57] [SPEAKER_00]: It's just it's the people above them that don't listen to the people that they hired to do the job

[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_00]: It's truly amazing to me and how bad they can screw this stuff up

[00:09:05] [SPEAKER_00]: But but part of it the problem is is like there's too many folks involved in the decision process a lot of these times

[00:09:12] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's how it gets messed up. That's how kids leak all this stuff kind of happens because I think you know

[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_00]: There's not one owner making a decision. There is a group of ours

[00:09:22] [SPEAKER_00]: It was not, you know, obviously Jerry is the baseball the president of baseball operations

[00:09:27] [SPEAKER_00]: But like he at the you know, Stanton is his boss

[00:09:30] [SPEAKER_00]: and so like all this stuff and then just like that group of people sometimes not listening to what the PR folks say is

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_00]: In or like just not having a lot of common sense about the world around them

[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Because like they don't live in the same, you know

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_00]: If you're rich enough to own a baseball team, you don't live in the same world

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_00]: We do they might see this stuff on Twitter

[00:09:54] [SPEAKER_00]: They might but like it's just not so it's like I always just joke that they need a vice president of common sense and

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Like hey, you know like hey, let me tell you how this is gonna look

[00:10:04] [SPEAKER_00]: You know a vice vice president of perception because they're clearly not listening to PR folks whose job it is to tell them

[00:10:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, this is how it's gonna look in the media or on social media and then they do it

[00:10:14] [SPEAKER_00]: And then they look at those people and say well, I can't believe this happened and

[00:10:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Though PR people like no we told you this was gonna happen. You did it anyways

[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, this is an organization when they fired Don Wakamatsu the first Japanese American

[00:10:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Manager they fired him on Asian American appreciation night

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_00]: That day they fired him, you know when

[00:10:35] [SPEAKER_00]: When the day that they made the Kendall Graveman trade and all hell broke loose

[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_00]: That was the day they were they were introducing Katie Griggs as the first female president of base

[00:10:47] [SPEAKER_00]: President of business operations in Major League Baseball and Harry Ford was at the field that day as well

[00:10:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Doing his introduction to the media as a first round pick. Do you think we got to write any of those stories?

[00:10:57] [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't even interview Harry that day. I was busy talking to angry players though

[00:11:01] [SPEAKER_00]: I was told that Harry actually saw Tom Murphy freak out about the trade and scared the crap out of him

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know if that's true or not

[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_00]: could you know like because like apparently when Murph found out about the

[00:11:11] [SPEAKER_00]: The trade he went, you know, ape and just like started ripping things and throwing things and breaking things

[00:11:17] [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I suppose the Harry saw a little bit of that but who knows so I mean like I don't know if it ranks

[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_00]: I just like this organization from the on high folks

[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_00]: They have a way of doing things that just ask backwards at times or just like what the hell are you doing?

[00:11:36] [SPEAKER_00]: You know and like I said, it's the people that that we work with or we are around, you know

[00:11:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Their pros and they know what's going on

[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_00]: And it just seems like they often don't listen to what they say which is a shame, you know

[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Because you know, they actually know what they're doing

[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_00]: You're not paying them very well, but you they know what they're doing. You should probably listen to them more

[00:11:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Ryan I want to nominate you for the vice president of common sense. I feel so I feel like once you're done writing

[00:12:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Let me let me just kind of flesh this out a little bit. It's like once you're done writing

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I know you're going back to Moncan. That's what that's what you've made pretty clear

[00:12:09] [SPEAKER_02]: But this is something you can do remotely first of all and secondly

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean it doesn't even need to be a full-time commitment. You can essentially just consult on this

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_02]: So anytime there's a question they hit you up you send them a text and response and it's solved and there's your work

[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean it supplements. I would seriously do that kind of consulting work and there is no bigger

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Way to steal money than being a consultant in all this stuff

[00:12:33] [SPEAKER_00]: You know that movie house of lies or that TV show house of lies and showtime great show

[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_00]: It's all about being a consultant not really doing anything, you know, but getting paid for it

[00:12:42] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean like think about how many you know, it's a bigger robbery is these a

[00:12:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Hiring firms these companies that do hiring searches. Oh my god, like how many times have they messed that up?

[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, no like I you know

[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_00]: I would love to be the vice-pilot on common sense. It's just like hey, do you we're gonna do this

[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, but here's what's really gonna happen. You know, I mean we're gonna we think this promotion is really good

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, but have you thought about what could happen here? Because I think sometimes

[00:13:12] [SPEAKER_00]: smart people get caught up in

[00:13:15] [SPEAKER_00]: One track and they're so focused on that and that's what makes them smarter. They can laser focus on that

[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_00]: You know that they don't find the whole

[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_00]: you know

[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_00]: 50,000 foot view or 10,000 foot view that Jerry likes to say I mean

[00:13:29] [SPEAKER_00]: You know the day that Jerry said the 54 comment like

[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_00]: You know you you had to go into a mode there. I mean, I don't even know if you could walk it back

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_00]: That was just a catastrophe from day one

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_00]: And like they have made a smarter move not putting Jerry out there as much but then again like

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Jerry doing that interview with ken rosenthal

[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Nothing good comes, you know, that's as a competitor

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Nothing good comes from that honestly in that situation where you're at as a team

[00:14:01] [SPEAKER_00]: You know and knowing just kind of and it's odd because I don't think Jerry and ken were on the best of are on the best of terms

[00:14:07] [SPEAKER_00]: From their days like when he was in

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_00]: The angels and they had to deal with so sure

[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Stuff like that and some other stuff. He's written like, you know, rosenthal cut him up pretty good when they hired scott service

[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_00]: and then over the lorraine and martin stuff too, so it's like

[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_00]: You go and you do this interview with this rider that you don't really like

[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_00]: And then you do it a day or two as you know

[00:14:28] [SPEAKER_00]: You're probably gonna fire scott and you know that that's what's coming

[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Unless they did it on purpose to kind of like float it out there that this may be coming

[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_00]: But once Jerry said those comments like, you know, you kind of knew it was dead man walking

[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_00]: so this whole thing was just

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_00]: If there's the right in a handbook on how to do this and how to fire and manage or anything else

[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Probably not the best way to do it

[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Was there a tipping point?

[00:14:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Like a singular one

[00:14:55] [SPEAKER_00]: For them to fire scott

[00:14:58] [SPEAKER_00]: No, I think it's a build

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think it's been building for a while

[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_00]: But they I mean probably the Detroit series if you're looking for one

[00:15:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Just getting your ass handed to you in Detroit like that and looking bad doing it

[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm losing three two out of three here doing it too

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's a not a good team

[00:15:18] [SPEAKER_00]: And you know, I don't question that the Mariners play hard

[00:15:21] [SPEAKER_00]: But the optics of it made it look like the Tigers are playing harder than them

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they necessarily were the Tigers are just more aggressive more energetic more

[00:15:29] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, they just they've just brought a different level and the Mariners

[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Look slow and lethargic and like they didn't care and I know they did care because I talked to several players after those losses

[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_00]: And they were pissed but like

[00:15:42] [SPEAKER_00]: You know just the optics of that looked pretty bad

[00:15:44] [SPEAKER_00]: So I think if that that may be what really kind of pushed Jerry to that point

[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Right, I think it's more also just the acrimony over scott on social media and all networks

[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Really everything like

[00:15:57] [SPEAKER_00]: There was a lot of blowback and I'm sure like the Mariners

[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, there are seasoned ticket holders and stuff like that

[00:16:03] [SPEAKER_00]: They were hearing it from there as well. And you know, the one thing is is like

[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_00]: If you're making your decisions based on fan reaction, that's a bad road to get down to

[00:16:14] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying all fans are stupid

[00:16:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Contrary to popular belief or contrary what I may say in my fits of rage

[00:16:20] [SPEAKER_00]: but like, you know

[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_00]: What what you're trying to do with a manager and what the role of a manager is

[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean

[00:16:29] [SPEAKER_00]: You should have a better understanding of what it what's important versus what fans are really upset about which is not planting enough

[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Reliever usage, you know that kind of stuff, which is all just in the moment with

[00:16:42] [SPEAKER_00]: A minimal amount of information provided in those decisions for people to understand

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so on that note

[00:16:49] [SPEAKER_03]: There are a couple quotes

[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I wanted to ask you about to at least get your take on them about what you make of them

[00:16:54] [SPEAKER_03]: One of them is what jeff passon said on brock and talk on friday the exact quote

[00:16:58] [SPEAKER_03]: At least what jeff said was inside of that clubhouse and he said this dates back years

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_03]: There were issues that just never got resolved and there were players who were never on board with them

[00:17:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I guess I was always under the impression that

[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_03]: He was pretty well received service in that clubhouse

[00:17:13] [SPEAKER_03]: But at least from what jeff makes it sound like maybe that wasn't always the case like what do you make of that?

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean the thing is though

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_00]: How many people are around from a few years ago? Honestly, I mean like they cycle out so many players off and on so it's like

[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_00]: You know

[00:17:29] [SPEAKER_00]: JP Crawford like Scott. I mean the him and scott were guys

[00:17:31] [SPEAKER_00]: He's been around the longest then you have dillon more and mitch hannagher

[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_00]: The next longest and they were there for some of the some of the earlier issues with scott

[00:17:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Like this is the problem with

[00:17:42] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's more of a narrative and maybe you know, but we didn't necessarily couldn't really write it the way

[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_00]: To debunk it a little bit

[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_00]: But in a lot of the players minds and it goes back to the mather situation

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_00]: And all that when the matter stuff comes out and everything else and all this other stuff is going on

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_00]: it's

[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Jerry

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Represented that faction. You know the the front office so players don't you know and they didn't trust him

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_00]: But you know because of the narrative that scott does anything and everything that jerry says

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Then they don't trust scott because they just think he's an extension of jerry

[00:18:20] [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean? Like they thought oh, yeah scott's just scott's just jerry's puppet. Well

[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_00]: I think as over the years have gone on

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_00]: That's not necessarily the case in the sense that like

[00:18:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Scott and jerry aren't the best of friends anymore. Well, they're definitely not now probably but um, you know that relationship was

[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Distanced a little bit. I mean if you're best okay, look at you two if one of you becomes the other person's boss for nine years

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_00]: And then like tells you what to do makes you wear all your you know

[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_00]: You know you want the boss makes the mistake

[00:18:56] [SPEAKER_00]: But the other guy has to go out and wear it every day

[00:18:58] [SPEAKER_00]: And you don't get to do a lot of you don't get to make a lot of decisions

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_00]: And like you know he controls how much money you're making all that stuff

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's going to be a split a fracture and it's going to distance himself

[00:19:09] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean i've heard scott and jerry yelling at each other

[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_00]: You know post game

[00:19:14] [SPEAKER_00]: You know scott's mad because the players that jerry's you know

[00:19:17] [SPEAKER_00]: You know because he doesn't scott doesn't have any like all man no manager has influence on the roster

[00:19:22] [SPEAKER_00]: They can have influence but they don't they don't get a say

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_00]: You know gms now and presidents hold the ultimate power

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_00]: It's not set up before but like they're not this isn't like money ball where you got to go trade a player

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_00]: So the manager doesn't play it

[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_00]: You know

[00:19:37] [SPEAKER_00]: They all run it so it's like

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_00]: I just think that that's it's a difference and i think the players don't necessarily understand that either

[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_00]: They still there's a distrust of the front office for all that went down earlier

[00:19:49] [SPEAKER_00]: You know and other stuff

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_00]: And they look at jerry as the representative of the front office and the decision making on you know

[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Players you acquire players you don't or whatever and then by extension because scott is still so affiliated with jerry

[00:20:06] [SPEAKER_00]: That they don't you know there's a distrust

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_00]: You know they don't have that maybe separation where it's the manager and the guys in the clubhouse versus the front office

[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Now they've used scott more as a guy that was

[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_00]: So close to the front office, which i don't necessarily know that's true

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_00]: But it's also because like how they play and how the decision making is made

[00:20:27] [SPEAKER_00]: You know in terms of having the analysts

[00:20:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Having you know the input from jerry and justin and having

[00:20:34] [SPEAKER_00]: You know how the style of baseball whether it's the platooning

[00:20:38] [SPEAKER_00]: you know that kind of

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_00]: The building out their their boards and their

[00:20:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Their red green yellow for relievers on who you want to go with the pockets and all that stuff

[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Which you know this is common with almost every team now. They do this all I mean like

[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Everybody collaborates together to have to make the decision process

[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_00]: You know it's not just one guy out there. Well, you know what my gut feels like he

[00:21:03] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like it's not lou brown and major league. Oh, you know, I know vons struggle with this guy

[00:21:08] [SPEAKER_00]: But I got a feeling he's due, you know, like that's

[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_00]: We don't see that and so and then like the gaffes, you know the robbie ray and the post season and stuff like that

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_00]: There's stuff like that, you know, but even like with hanager

[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, he was one of those guys that I think came around a little more on scott

[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_00]: From being where he was and then scott came in and everything because I think scott tried really hard to impose his will early on

[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't I think he realized that doesn't work

[00:21:35] [SPEAKER_00]: you know and

[00:21:36] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think through and I kind of wrote this through the faults of his all through the failures of his own

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Playing career and everything else. He realized that you got to let people be who they are and then try and work within the framework of that

[00:21:47] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that was important and it got better

[00:21:50] [SPEAKER_00]: But some of the people that were still there and the remnants of friends were gone and everything else

[00:21:55] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like that's another thing

[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like you get rid of my friend on the team

[00:21:58] [SPEAKER_00]: You get rid of this guy that I work with this trainer this coach this whatever staffer

[00:22:04] [SPEAKER_00]: You get rid of him

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Why don't like you because you hurt my friend? I mean like I am told scott that one time

[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_00]: I said there are a lot of people that want to see you fail because how

[00:22:14] [SPEAKER_00]: You know jerry and others, you know jerry

[00:22:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Specifically how he treated like they fired a bunch of the scouting staff fired coaches and stuff like that

[00:22:22] [SPEAKER_00]: So it was like I think that was the reason why there is that kind of distrust because

[00:22:27] [SPEAKER_00]: There's still a segment of players based on narrative and based on how they do things that always felt that like scott and jerry

[00:22:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Were so tight instead of scott being on his own island

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I think the other thing I was curious to ask you about too like in before we get to some more of the dan

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Wilson stuff is just to start to wrap up on scott here a little bit is

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe we read too much into this, but I guess

[00:22:50] [SPEAKER_03]: One the quote hulio gave you guys the other day and specifically the

[00:22:53] [SPEAKER_03]: difference between him and jp's because when jp was asked about service and you just mentioned it

[00:22:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Like he really likes scott. He said he taught me how to be myself on the field

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's really changed my career and then hulio's quote

[00:23:04] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean he gave this to daniel kramer. He said i'm just kind of focused on playing baseball

[00:23:08] [SPEAKER_03]: That's a higher up decision were employees. So I just have to go out and play every day

[00:23:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Now are we reading too much into that quote or was it a little?

[00:23:17] [SPEAKER_03]: like

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_03]: wishy-washy

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_00]: um

[00:23:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I mean i'm not going to say you're wearing a tinfoil hat

[00:23:24] [SPEAKER_00]: and looking for conspiracy theories, but I mean

[00:23:28] [SPEAKER_00]: I think players just move forward, you know, I think they just move forward like somebody gets fires like okay

[00:23:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this sucks

[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_00]: You know gotta go it's you know really hulio's dealing with enough stuff on his own right now to kind of like

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Focus on it. So I don't I don't know that like in that like the context of it all like I was kind of there for some of the

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_00]: comments it was more

[00:23:49] [SPEAKER_00]: You know he was hulio's just trying to get ready to go and he it was clear like a lot of guys just want to talk about it

[00:23:55] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean in their minds too like they know about

[00:23:58] [SPEAKER_00]: We sucked so he got fired, you know

[00:24:01] [SPEAKER_00]: It's the second guy that lost her job because we can't hit

[00:24:04] [SPEAKER_00]: You know and he's at the forefront of the players that are supposed to hit that isn't hitting

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_00]: So they weren't you know hannagher didn't want to really dwell on it. You know he'd say some things and then

[00:24:15] [SPEAKER_00]: You know jp obviously jp and scott had a different relationship than a lot of the other players

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_00]: But you know like somebody like victor robas who in two months really love scott for allowing him to be

[00:24:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Who he was whereas like a dc, you know not so much. So I don't know. I mean like do you ever really truly love your boss?

[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean like

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. I am

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that there was like this dislike from for hulio for scott

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, but I know

[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Scott is hard on hulio. He you know we people may not think it

[00:24:49] [SPEAKER_00]: And like because he doesn't blow people up on the field or in the media, but I know

[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I I've heard and I saw more than

[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_00]: A couple times where scott's brought hulio into his office because he was unhappy with something that was going on on the field

[00:25:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Or you know his approach. I mean he has been

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Um as critical of hulio is probably any player about his approach

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_00]: You know stuff he talked about not being ready to hit, you know all this kind of stuff

[00:25:14] [SPEAKER_00]: So I mean i'm sure hulio doesn't like that, but I don't think he reads it either. So

[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_00]: I I mean like I don't I think they just all moved on

[00:25:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean like even as upset as they were about kendo gravemen being traded that day

[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Or paul c will be traded like two days later. They moved on because that's what they do

[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_00]: They learn to forget real quick

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Now to dan wilson who got hired on thursday and instead of making him an interim manager

[00:25:39] [SPEAKER_02]: They made him a full-time manager

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Why did they not put the interim tag on him and why did they name him the full-time manager instead of

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Just waiting to the off season to see a full process

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I have no idea. I mean I was the I mean like that was the first question I asked on jerry's thing

[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_00]: I was you know, I'm on there first. I just said hey, is he full-time or is he an interim?

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_00]: What's the deal here because I looked on there and I didn't see an interim

[00:26:02] [SPEAKER_00]: It's funny. I look on the the release and I don't see interim

[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_00]: And then uh

[00:26:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Ben Rindyari texted me goes is he the full time they don't see interim on the thing

[00:26:10] [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, I was just not thinking that myself. I'll ask and then jerry says is because like when you're the interim

[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I guess you're like a substitute teacher, you know thing

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like you don't really wield any power, but at the same time dan wilson is so respected that

[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think the player is gonna listen to him just because any such a good dude, you know

[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. I mean

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Everything I've heard is that dan is the manager moving forward now

[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, maybe

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_00]: 25 or 30 days from now dan says I don't want to do this anymore. This is crazy. This is way too much work

[00:26:46] [SPEAKER_00]: This isn't for me and I'll go open up the search

[00:26:50] [SPEAKER_00]: but

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean from what I mean told that's what he's going to do. He's going to run it forward and then you know, I

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what's up with the rest of the coaching staff like who's going to be back

[00:27:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Who isn't you know, we were just discussing that obviously I think you want to keep

[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Pete Woodworth and and tramp blank the pitching guys and you know, Perry Hill. I mean

[00:27:11] [SPEAKER_00]: if people don't real

[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_00]: People like, yeah, I know josh rollhouse made an error today

[00:27:16] [SPEAKER_00]: But like I watched josh rollhouse at third base this spring Perry Hills a miracle worker

[00:27:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I watched Tyler Lockley her play

[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Quite a bit last year too and what he's this year Perry Hills a miracle worker

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I think you want to kind of keep him around as well

[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't really know it's it's really it's really odd and that's it goes back to kind of like how they handled this

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_00]: and everything else like

[00:27:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you're not going to do a search. You're not going to like, you know, you're just going to do this

[00:27:44] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'd heard the dam liked managing in the six games he did with Tacoma a couple years ago, but like

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Nobody really thought that like he was ultra serious about it, you know, so

[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Who knows? I just

[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_00]: That was like, okay. Well, we're gonna do it this way like their process

[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_00]: This is an organization that's really driven by process

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_00]: At least on the baseball side of it the performance side, but man

[00:28:08] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know about this one

[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean like that's not an indictment against Dan by any means

[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I was just like it's just curious how they handled it because like

[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_00]: But you've limited yourself to no other options

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_00]: And do you really want to do something crappy to Dan Wilson?

[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you really want to embarrass him or like, you know, say they they fire Jerry or whatever?

[00:28:28] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean

[00:28:29] [SPEAKER_00]: May bring in another guy and he wants somebody new. I mean

[00:28:34] [SPEAKER_00]: I just most managers jobs and badly anyways

[00:28:39] [SPEAKER_00]: And then I just don't get this one. So

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, hopefully maybe they

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Untap something and Dan will be here forever. I don't know

[00:28:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Let me put a pin in that Jerry thing. I think I'll want to circle back to that in a couple minutes

[00:28:52] [SPEAKER_03]: But on this same note about yeah, why they didn't do the the external search

[00:28:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I figured like I think we assume and I think a lot of people assume

[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Dan could be the interim manager the rest of the year and maybe long term

[00:29:03] [SPEAKER_03]: That's who they really love right if they did a full search this off season

[00:29:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Look at people outside the org

[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Whoever bring him in talk to him have conversation and then ultimately decide

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, we like Dan Wilson the best then I think then, you know, that's fine

[00:29:16] [SPEAKER_03]: I was I guess we were just all a little shocked and the two of us for sure that

[00:29:20] [SPEAKER_03]: They just snap of the fingers. This is the manager rather than at least allowing themselves to have other people at least present their case to do it

[00:29:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and the thing is like you look at this organization

[00:29:32] [SPEAKER_00]: In that reputation aspect of it all it's like, oh, yeah, I don't know if I really want to work for these guys

[00:29:37] [SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time there's only 30 jobs and you look at the baseline level of talent that the organization has right now

[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah, I mean

[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_00]: You're a manager. You look pretty smart when you roll out those five starters

[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_00]: You know and you got moony. Oh, you still have Julio. You have a good core

[00:29:54] [SPEAKER_00]: You have a catcher that's like locked in his foundational level

[00:29:57] [SPEAKER_00]: But you you still have a good core of players now like the overall roster itself

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_00]: I think is lacking in a lot of talent and everyday talent

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Like you can only have so many platoons where it just becomes redundant. It just becomes a bunch of guys just

[00:30:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Shifting in and out that aren't very good either way, but

[00:30:16] [SPEAKER_00]: um

[00:30:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I I mean I it would be attractive if they were hiring a gm

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_00]: It would be attractive if you're a manager

[00:30:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean I could think of a lot of good managers out there

[00:30:26] [SPEAKER_00]: You know hell steven vote might want to just be able to come back and live here full time. Who knows but

[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_00]: I think it was

[00:30:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Really odd how they did it but maybe they believe in Dan the man

[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean

[00:30:38] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I can't say a bad word about him. He's the nicest human being I've met

[00:30:41] [SPEAKER_00]: He's like the opposite of me in every way. He's always in a good mood

[00:30:45] [SPEAKER_00]: He's always friendly. He's very upbeat and outgoing and

[00:30:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Even like I feel better about myself being around Dan

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's like

[00:30:57] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's really she's like the friendly neighborhood fireman comes along and rescues kittens out of the trees and stuff like that

[00:31:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Does he give you crap about your shorts?

[00:31:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, no, no, he does not

[00:31:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Because my shorts fit me normally

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Um

[00:31:15] [SPEAKER_02]: If if I'm gonna put on my tinfoil hat Ryan

[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Could this be more like thinking of how this process went down

[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_02]: But this be the mariners worrying that they could not get enough serious candidates in here with the candidates not knowing

[00:31:29] [SPEAKER_02]: The strength of the job security of the guy who'd be hiring them in the first place and Jerry and knowing that Jerry has a bad 2025

[00:31:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm out of a job again

[00:31:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, no because I think players that are going to be managers

[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Or managerial candidates people who are managerial candidates have such a belief in their ability to find success that they wouldn't

[00:31:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Think otherwise, you know

[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean and

[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah reputation or whatever

[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_00]: They all believe well look, you know if you're a managerial candidate you look here and you're like, oh

[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_00]: all I gotta do is is

[00:32:04] [SPEAKER_00]: You know I got that pitching staff just finally find a way to get this office to score four runs

[00:32:10] [SPEAKER_00]: You know i'm i'm money. You know, that's the thing

[00:32:13] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like find a way to score four runs. You're gonna you're gonna win 70 of the time

[00:32:18] [SPEAKER_00]: That's that's what you think and

[00:32:21] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean

[00:32:23] [SPEAKER_00]: The organization if you're gonna sign you're gonna sign a multi-year deal

[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_00]: You're gonna sign a one-year deal so you're getting paid either way

[00:32:29] [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like yeah, okay, I'll come in and I'll sign a three-year deal or a two-year deal with an option

[00:32:34] [SPEAKER_00]: so I'll get three years of pay and

[00:32:37] [SPEAKER_00]: And one way or the other and if I get fired because the gm gets fired then I'll leave but most people believe that I mean like

[00:32:44] [SPEAKER_00]: you know, you're telling me if

[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_00]: The one thing is the kicker is how much do they pay the scott still isn't a bottom third of managerial salaries

[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Even after nine years

[00:32:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Like yeah, I mean like if you're a j hinch and you look at your situation in

[00:32:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Detroit versus your situation in seattle

[00:33:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you want that, you know west coast guide

[00:33:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you want that. I don't know. I'm just

[00:33:09] [SPEAKER_00]: I think they'd be fine with they'd have a lot of candidates

[00:33:12] [SPEAKER_00]: you know, and it's

[00:33:15] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's not like being a producer for seven ten

[00:33:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean there's a couple candidates to youtube probably duking it out for the job, you know

[00:33:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Or somebody trying to take my job. I mean when I quit here, you know, like

[00:33:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Who knows

[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so where does where does that leave jerry and all this?

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess like tj alluded to it a minute ago, but

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_03]: You mentioned on seven ten think a couple days ago that he's got that option in his contract next year

[00:33:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Like does his job feel safe after all this? That's how it seemed from afar when these moves were made

[00:33:49] [SPEAKER_03]: But what do you think at least for next year?

[00:33:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean I know a lot of people and that's like the biggest thing on social media is to parse whenever jerry

[00:33:57] [SPEAKER_00]: DiPoto speaks is to parse and look for meaning

[00:34:00] [SPEAKER_00]: You know

[00:34:01] [SPEAKER_00]: In in all of it. Well, he said this so this means this

[00:34:05] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean

[00:34:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Honestly jerry diPoto never thought he was going to be fired a day in his life

[00:34:11] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure since he's taking this job

[00:34:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Like he just has that belief in what he's doing and he doesn't take the time to worry about that kind of stuff

[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_00]: you know even like

[00:34:20] [SPEAKER_00]: It'll take culpability and all of it, but it's like oh, yeah, but because it's like

[00:34:25] [SPEAKER_00]: You know the way he talks is like he's going to be back next year

[00:34:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that there's a guarantee on that

[00:34:31] [SPEAKER_00]: If you know if there is they haven't announced any contract extension or anything like that

[00:34:37] [SPEAKER_00]: But I think again it goes back to that mindset too like jerry believes in his

[00:34:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Process and like how they do stuff and so I think he believes like yeah, you know what like so like say let's say they say well

[00:34:50] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, maybe he's a lame duck next year or even like this year

[00:34:53] [SPEAKER_00]: You know what our process is going to work

[00:34:56] [SPEAKER_00]: We'll find a way to make it work and then I'll get my extension. I'll just keep going

[00:34:59] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's like he believes in all the things he does

[00:35:04] [SPEAKER_00]: obviously more so than

[00:35:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Perhaps me and you or some fans or anything else, but he believes in it, you know, I mean like

[00:35:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Other than not being

[00:35:14] [SPEAKER_00]: On a radio show every week. I mean like

[00:35:18] [SPEAKER_00]: It's not like he's any different after the 54% stuff. He's not around as much

[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_00]: But you know, he's kind of like he's been like that a little bit in contract years too as well

[00:35:27] [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know. I mean like I just I don't think he's ever really thought. Oh, yeah

[00:35:31] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm worried about I'm gonna get fired

[00:35:33] [SPEAKER_00]: In his mind if you worry about stuff like that it takes away from your other goal

[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Which is like trying to

[00:35:39] [SPEAKER_00]: To win so I don't know

[00:35:41] [SPEAKER_00]: It just doesn't seem like that's something he

[00:35:44] [SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't say comprehends, but

[00:35:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Just analyzes because like he's a move forward type of person

[00:35:51] [SPEAKER_02]: What do you feel like are the difference in traits between scott service and dan wilson?

[00:35:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Whether it be managerial personality wise or whatever you think is is relevant

[00:36:03] [SPEAKER_00]: I

[00:36:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Mean it's a couple white catchers like, you know

[00:36:09] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean like the one thing is is this like

[00:36:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Dan has the cachet of playing here of being beloved of being dan the man and like his reputation with the fan base

[00:36:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Has already been built up

[00:36:23] [SPEAKER_00]: So it's not like, you know, it's

[00:36:25] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a little more he has more rope. I think than service

[00:36:30] [SPEAKER_00]: You know I because like

[00:36:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, like you guys are around this you you've seen up close how they do things. Do you think everything anything or

[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Many things or even anything is going to drastically change with dan here

[00:36:44] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean how they know stuff like the early work meetings that

[00:36:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Even like how they do lineups

[00:36:50] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean the lineup that they put out the first day and manage was the same as the one that was the day before

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_00]: You can only stack the pancakes in so many ways and put the butter on top one way

[00:36:59] [SPEAKER_00]: I guess like

[00:37:00] [SPEAKER_00]: This is this is who they are so

[00:37:05] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't really like because it's not like you look like I was watching dan in that first game

[00:37:10] [SPEAKER_00]: I even wrote about it. It's kind of had the same kind of like

[00:37:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Confused no one's a confused but just like this same

[00:37:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Stoic look of oh my god. Are we ever going to get a hit?

[00:37:20] [SPEAKER_00]: In that first game and then they got six in a row because that rogers guy sucked but like

[00:37:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't sit there and think you know that they're

[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Because he's not it's not he's going to be the fiery guy or anything like that either, you know

[00:37:33] [SPEAKER_00]: The one thing is is is if scott a bit scott's been there a long time and stuff like that

[00:37:38] [SPEAKER_00]: And so sometimes like you just

[00:37:41] [SPEAKER_00]: It falls on deaf ears a little bit because you hear the same things over and over again. So it's just like okay

[00:37:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's going to say that they know what he's going to say more often or not

[00:37:51] [SPEAKER_00]: They know how he's going to react so it doesn't you know, it's not different. It's not

[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_00]: It's always going to be the same

[00:37:57] [SPEAKER_00]: So because scott is a consistent person and that was one of the things is he always wanted to be consistent

[00:38:02] [SPEAKER_00]: With how he handled stuff because he didn't want to surprise players players didn't like that

[00:38:07] [SPEAKER_00]: And by he isn't wrong in that thinking but at the same time sometimes you need to surprise them

[00:38:12] [SPEAKER_00]: We'll scare the sticker the crap out of them or whatever do something to get them going, you know because

[00:38:19] [SPEAKER_00]: It it's like it's like they're gonna do

[00:38:23] [SPEAKER_00]: What you know, they're gonna operate

[00:38:25] [SPEAKER_00]: The same sometimes if you don't do something to change it up drastically and I think scott's

[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Probably biggest fault

[00:38:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Is that he trusted his players so much

[00:38:36] [SPEAKER_00]: To perform

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Because they they work hard, you know, they work

[00:38:41] [SPEAKER_00]: That's not a problem. We watch them. You guys are there

[00:38:43] [SPEAKER_00]: You see how much time they put in they they put more time in and the hitting and the extra work and everything else

[00:38:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Then any team I've covered is it doesn't hasn't translated over in the field

[00:38:53] [SPEAKER_00]: He's always believed that if you do the work and you put all the preparation in

[00:38:57] [SPEAKER_00]: That that would be that eventually what happened and so are these players, but that's not happening

[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_00]: So instead of trusting him to do that

[00:39:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you've got to go shake it up a little bit more and it's not like I am

[00:39:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Yell at him or anything like that. I they've had multiple team meetings and stuff

[00:39:14] [SPEAKER_00]: It's just

[00:39:16] [SPEAKER_00]: They kind of just aren't performing. I mean like even with dan and that they won the series against the giants, but I mean like

[00:39:24] [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know how they won

[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, they the one game they got six hits in a row and they I mean like the other yesterday

[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_00]: They lost and they had they took nine walks and they lost the game. Okay

[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_00]: It's not like they hit, you know, they even today they scored what a run on a double play

[00:39:41] [SPEAKER_00]: and uh error and you know like

[00:39:44] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's never going to be pretty

[00:39:46] [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know. Maybe it's just like the different

[00:39:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Presence, you know, I I do think scott was a little

[00:39:54] [SPEAKER_00]: You could feel the anxiety a little bit with scott as it was slipping away

[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_00]: You know

[00:40:00] [SPEAKER_00]: And just kind of like

[00:40:02] [SPEAKER_00]: I can't get this to stop no matter what I try and do. I can't get this to stop

[00:40:07] [SPEAKER_00]: I can't get these guys that hit

[00:40:09] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, we saw it the one time where you kind of have the emotional

[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Break where he like teared up. It's like, you know, I protect these guys up here and I don't rip them, you know

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_00]: and

[00:40:20] [SPEAKER_00]: everybody has a breaking point, but

[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_00]: It just wasn't working. So I think that's why

[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not no the last one I've got for you Ryan is

[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Clearly this winner the manners are going to have a long look in the mirror about how they're going to improve this hitting philosophy

[00:40:35] [SPEAKER_03]: organizationally

[00:40:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Where in the world do they start if you were to take your best guess animal sacrifice?

[00:40:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Just live chickens, you know goats. Um

[00:40:49] [SPEAKER_00]: That's a bull Durham. That's a good bull Durham. Yeah, I mean like I don't

[00:40:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Like you can't

[00:40:57] [SPEAKER_00]: If the reputation of this organization is it's a bad place to hit has that changed. It's made it worse

[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, maybe they I mean like I was half joking

[00:41:07] [SPEAKER_00]: But I think we'll see the batter's eye straightened out next year with a different kind of paint color on it then

[00:41:12] [SPEAKER_00]: You know that they talked about

[00:41:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Um

[00:41:17] [SPEAKER_00]: But like seriously, I do think they'll adjust the batter's idea

[00:41:21] [SPEAKER_00]: I think they were a little bit so like the the old batters. I had trees out there

[00:41:26] [SPEAKER_00]: On that area that open area that's and they had trees and they wanted to grow furs

[00:41:30] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like a cheney stadium, but they all died

[00:41:33] [SPEAKER_00]: So then like you don't have anything and so they put this and the stuff they have on there

[00:41:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Is supposed to be like this space age

[00:41:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Like stuff to block out sun and make it so it doesn't reflect

[00:41:43] [SPEAKER_00]: But it doesn't seem like that because the players all say it reflects

[00:41:46] [SPEAKER_00]: um

[00:41:46] [SPEAKER_00]: So, I don't know. I mean like

[00:41:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Can't really move the fences in I don't think I guess they could

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_00]: But like your pitching staff benefits from it

[00:41:57] [SPEAKER_00]: And there's just not a lot of good hitters on the market

[00:41:59] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like I think we all know they're not going to be in the market for one solo

[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Um

[00:42:04] [SPEAKER_00]: And then you look at the free agent class. It's not great

[00:42:07] [SPEAKER_00]: San Tan Dare?

[00:42:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, San Tan Dare. I mean and I guess like where he's hitting at now. It's not exactly super friendly

[00:42:15] [SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean they've tried it. They've called on Tony Taters several times made it Baltimore want to keep it

[00:42:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean like I think I know where you're going are they gonna have to trade one of these pitchers to get a hitter

[00:42:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes

[00:42:30] [SPEAKER_00]: There's no other like probably there is no other way to get a an elite hitter to sign here either

[00:42:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Grossly overpay which I think we know they aren't going to do

[00:42:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Because they don't have any money supposedly

[00:42:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Or you trade one of those five

[00:42:45] [SPEAKER_00]: And then sign a pitcher and and build your rotation that way

[00:42:50] [SPEAKER_00]: And so

[00:42:51] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's

[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_00]: You have to ask some hard questions

[00:42:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Is Logan Gilbert going to resign with his team? Is he gonna sign an extension?

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Because he's gonna make he's making four this year. That means he's gonna make roughly eight to nine next year

[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_00]: and then

[00:43:08] [SPEAKER_00]: 14 if he stays healthy

[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's real expensive George will make four or five next year

[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Cal's gonna make five next year at least mint probably six

[00:43:17] [SPEAKER_00]: so like

[00:43:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Do they trade one of those or do you just trade castillo?

[00:43:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Who's got a like a locked-in contract? You don't have the you don't have the ups and downs of arbitration

[00:43:27] [SPEAKER_00]: but at the same time like

[00:43:29] [SPEAKER_00]: They're gonna these guys are going to throw more innings than any other rotation of baseball when it's all said and done

[00:43:34] [SPEAKER_00]: If they stall keeps stale deep

[00:43:36] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean like

[00:43:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Make every start basically other than who I mean like

[00:43:41] [SPEAKER_00]: If that happens next year

[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know. I can't believe it's happened in two or three years because it happened in 22 and now it's happening 24 outside of

[00:43:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Who yeah, so it's like

[00:43:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Hmm, where do they go?

[00:43:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know like we're said today we're watching them

[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_00]: In the Orioles game. Do you trade Logan for colton calzer and another guy?

[00:44:02] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean

[00:44:03] [SPEAKER_00]: So

[00:44:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so I this actually wasn't where I was going but now that you bring it up

[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_03]: We've talked about this and and honestly we talked about the idea

[00:44:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Castillo more than the others just because older

[00:44:13] [SPEAKER_03]: He's not really making that much when you compare what his contract is to a lot of the pictures

[00:44:18] [SPEAKER_03]: It'll be on the market and we talked about baltimore

[00:44:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Could could you get somebody back one of those young hitters for him?

[00:44:24] [SPEAKER_03]: And then you essentially to your point you sign a veteran to like a one-year deal

[00:44:28] [SPEAKER_03]: And you hope by mid-season of next year one of logan evans brandy garcia, etc is ready and then they take that by spot

[00:44:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, no that's because that's the one thing you do is you believe that your developmental aspect of your

[00:44:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Organization which has been so strong on the pitching side that you can offset that. Yeah, it's going to hurt

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's in the common sense optics area. It's not going to look great, but I think

[00:44:52] [SPEAKER_00]: People don't realize how difficult it is to get hitters here

[00:44:56] [SPEAKER_00]: you know, I mean

[00:44:58] [SPEAKER_00]: And and we don't really even know what direction they're going to go this offseason

[00:45:02] [SPEAKER_00]: What if they say well, we can't add any more money?

[00:45:04] [SPEAKER_00]: So you got to do payroll flexibility and and create some stuff. I mean if that's the case they'll trade randy

[00:45:10] [SPEAKER_00]: This offseason and try and

[00:45:12] [SPEAKER_00]: piece it together

[00:45:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Because he's going to make a lot of money extra to make 12

[00:45:17] [SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean do they exercise the option up wonk away 12?

[00:45:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Mitch is going to make 16 next year. So it's like

[00:45:24] [SPEAKER_00]: If they don't add more money if they say to Jerry look, we're not adding my money

[00:45:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Where where are you going to get a hitter at that? You can't add money

[00:45:34] [SPEAKER_00]: He says you can take out a contract because like the club control hitters nobody really wants to trade those if they don't have to

[00:45:41] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, are you going to Tyler Lock? They're going to fix it. Probably not

[00:45:45] [SPEAKER_00]: So they're in a weird spot because like they're they're position player prospects

[00:45:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Even as good as they are, they're still a couple years away, especially the ones with the sort of offensive impact

[00:45:55] [SPEAKER_00]: I think we all like Cole young and what he can be but even them like do you view him as an impact?

[00:46:03] [SPEAKER_00]: You know 20 homer

[00:46:05] [SPEAKER_00]: You know 790 ops guy. I'm probably not right now

[00:46:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Eventually will be but like yeah, I don't know

[00:46:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the three we always talk about before I let TJ go in terms of like the real offensive impact

[00:46:19] [SPEAKER_03]: At least the three that two of us talked about emerson montez celestine. Like there are ways away. Yeah

[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean look at how much montez struggled when he got to modesta or to ever for a bit

[00:46:31] [SPEAKER_00]: He's starting to it's starting to self-correct. But you know

[00:46:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Double a is going to be that much harder, you know and everything else and but they don't have the best track record of developing hitters anyways

[00:46:41] [SPEAKER_00]: You know how they bring them up. So

[00:46:44] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean hulu is the exception

[00:46:46] [SPEAKER_00]: But you know it took cow a while Jared obviously we just

[00:46:50] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm one. I just don't know where they get offense from because like if you just run it back with

[00:46:56] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean

[00:46:57] [SPEAKER_00]: I guess like if you ran it back with his team next year, where do you think they're at?

[00:47:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I guess you have to believe

[00:47:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well just in general

[00:47:05] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean like because you know you you expect some regression from the starting picture because it just can't carry

[00:47:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah

[00:47:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I guess you I guess I'd also like to believe yeah, I guess I don't it's probably

[00:47:16] [SPEAKER_02]: What'd you say today 85 wins? Oh guess

[00:47:19] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean that's what they really this year projection wise right

[00:47:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, I would say a little bit of progression on the hitting side because it can't possibly be worse

[00:47:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and then a little bit of regression in the starting rotation probably balances out

[00:47:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so you think that

[00:47:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously hulu will probably be better next year jp will probably be better if he stays healthy, you know because they had

[00:47:38] [SPEAKER_00]: career down years

[00:47:40] [SPEAKER_00]: cow

[00:47:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Who knows? I mean he's really good this year

[00:47:44] [SPEAKER_00]: And you have garver

[00:47:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Hannagher, I'm like randy

[00:47:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that's and then you still have a problem at third base in first base your power positions

[00:47:54] [SPEAKER_00]: And if you don't allow the money so then you're looking at walk clear

[00:47:58] [SPEAKER_00]: And so form of a platoon again at third base. I mean, I don't know

[00:48:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah

[00:48:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Last last thing for me rime before we let you go. Do you think this current team still has a run left in it?

[00:48:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, I do

[00:48:12] [SPEAKER_00]: because like

[00:48:14] [SPEAKER_00]: They they were they're at a streak of like

[00:48:17] [SPEAKER_00]: 14 games where they they've scored more than four runs once I think twice

[00:48:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Like and most of them in two runs or fewer

[00:48:25] [SPEAKER_00]: So I do think like you're gonna run into a stretch where you face some weaker pitching and you'll hit

[00:48:30] [SPEAKER_00]: You know they I mean they do face the angels in the ace

[00:48:34] [SPEAKER_00]: And st. Louis isn't great this year. So like that's a stretch where they can make some hay

[00:48:39] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean like I just don't think that they

[00:48:41] [SPEAKER_00]: I guess my my thinking is they can't be as bad as they've been

[00:48:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Like that's why I think there's going to be a run because their pitching is so good

[00:48:48] [SPEAKER_00]: And they get so many quality starts that you're going to but like how many

[00:48:52] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't even look now, but how many quality starts have they gotten post all-star break?

[00:48:57] [SPEAKER_00]: I think they won less than 50

[00:49:00] [SPEAKER_02]: That's pretty hard. I think it might be lower than 50

[00:49:02] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, that's pretty hard. It's it's not good regardless

[00:49:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Ryan isn't offense supposed to get better as the season goes on like what the hell

[00:49:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I think well, this is probably supposed to be the best offensive month you're in a groove and it's still warm out. Yeah, so

[00:49:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know I you would think but the Mariners

[00:49:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Historically as a franchise have gone against almost every single logic

[00:49:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I mean like that's the one thing too is like we have really not seen a stretch of even two weeks of

[00:49:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Semi-consistent offense. So maybe it comes but you know again like seeing Julio's at bats over the weekend that didn't inspire you

[00:49:38] [SPEAKER_00]: No, and so in Randy Randy's got three hits in the last 12 games

[00:49:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, since I think it's since the road trip started and I think one of them for an extra base hit

[00:49:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's on a he's on a big culture. I mean he's hit the ball hard a couple times and people have caught it

[00:49:52] [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, that's

[00:49:53] [SPEAKER_00]: They're just

[00:49:54] [SPEAKER_00]: It's it's a tough watch sometimes when you're watching them

[00:49:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah

[00:50:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Ryan this has been fantastic

[00:50:01] [SPEAKER_02]: We appreciate you as always making some time for us and at least for my sake and allow us to see sooner than I will

[00:50:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Hope to see at the park soon. Yeah, yeah, I'll see you tomorrow. Hopefully it's pants weather

[00:50:14] [SPEAKER_00]: See you guys

[00:50:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, we'll say it again divas certainly is the best and on that note

[00:50:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Where do we want to start with these takeaways?

[00:50:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm man

[00:50:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I'm just gonna start off and say ryan divas has my vote for the vice president of common sense for the mariners

[00:50:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I think the position fits him perfectly. He can be snarky and sarcastic

[00:50:38] [SPEAKER_02]: And give anyone shit that he wants to in that position because ultimately

[00:50:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, he's the all-knowner in that case. So he has my vote. That's eventually what he decides to do

[00:50:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm all in on ryan divas having that position

[00:50:53] [SPEAKER_02]: But on a more serious note

[00:50:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I want to go to the first ringing thing that stood out to me from this conversation

[00:51:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Where it sounds like a significantly more realistic path to the mariners acquiring a big bat this off season

[00:51:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Would be trading not only one of their pitchers

[00:51:11] [SPEAKER_02]: But one of their best pitchers out of this current starting rotation

[00:51:15] [SPEAKER_02]: So ryan highlights if the root sport situation gets worse

[00:51:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Or let's just say it stays the same and the payroll can't increase

[00:51:23] [SPEAKER_02]: The only logical way the mariners get a a serious bat in here this off season people want everyday players

[00:51:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's this is the way you would get an everyday player if

[00:51:34] [SPEAKER_02]: You wanted to go get one of those guys this off season

[00:51:38] [SPEAKER_02]: The trade pieces on your roster that you would have to use to get that bat

[00:51:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Would be one of your starting pitchers and i'm not talking brice miller brian wulile

[00:51:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm talking to guys that are making money like logan gilbert or george kirby

[00:51:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Who are both super two pitchers

[00:51:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Who by the time they reach their fourth year of arbitration will be making well over 20 million dollars?

[00:52:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Which we know mariners probably can't afford given their current budget restraints. That is troubling

[00:52:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, we also talked about louise castillo too and and i'm sorry

[00:52:11] [SPEAKER_03]: But if you have to pick one pitcher in this rotation to trade

[00:52:14] [SPEAKER_03]: I just i don't even really think it's up for debate anymore. It's it's him. He is the oldest

[00:52:20] [SPEAKER_03]: He's making the most money. He has not looked like an ace

[00:52:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And there are teams out there that would that would want him, but he's the only one who could block a trade

[00:52:30] [SPEAKER_02]: So if he flat out blocks a trade you have no choice

[00:52:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, but

[00:52:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Even with the no trade clause

[00:52:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Usually these things find a way of working themselves out usually it just depends what louise wants

[00:52:47] [SPEAKER_03]: I am sure there is a team and a fit

[00:52:51] [SPEAKER_03]: That he would agree to

[00:52:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Again, would he really hate would he really hate baltimore a team that's going to be a world series contender?

[00:52:58] [SPEAKER_03]: That's also a pitchers park now. I don't think so

[00:53:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think so

[00:53:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, it it depends what the market is if the market is willing to pay what we suggested earlier like a month ago

[00:53:08] [SPEAKER_02]: And we talked about this idea of if they could get a cursed ad level player a cursed ad and a kobe mayo

[00:53:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Tight package for louise castio. Then yes, you do that

[00:53:18] [SPEAKER_02]: So he says yes to the trade and you acquire that prospect package for louise castio and you offload his salary

[00:53:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Now there is a slight issue with that low lyle if you were to offload the full 24 million dollars of louise castio

[00:53:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think you'd get both those players if that's what the market was

[00:53:35] [SPEAKER_02]: If you're giving up if you're giving the orioles 24 million dollars in payroll

[00:53:40] [SPEAKER_02]: You probably get one of those players

[00:53:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And now think about this

[00:53:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Like so you do that trade

[00:53:47] [SPEAKER_02]: That's not enough and you just lost a fifth of your starting rotation

[00:53:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I would bet the mariners will eat some of that money again 24 million dollars is not a lot if the mariners eat

[00:53:58] [SPEAKER_03]: 10 million of it

[00:54:00] [SPEAKER_03]: 12 million of it

[00:54:02] [SPEAKER_03]: You can get a lot more back and if you get club controllable players that we know

[00:54:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Can be real impact guys moving forward in the big leagues

[00:54:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Look, no prospects ever a sure thing, but kobe mayo's got austin riley comps. Heston cursed has been very good when he's been in the big leagues

[00:54:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I would do that especially if you really think you're gonna have to offload money

[00:54:25] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's certainly a scenario

[00:54:28] [SPEAKER_02]: We've spent the most time talking about a louise castio trade

[00:54:31] [SPEAKER_02]: That's obviously the most preferable if they're going to trade the starting pitchers because you can offload the most salary

[00:54:36] [SPEAKER_02]: And he's the most tradable of all of them based on where he is in his career

[00:54:42] [SPEAKER_02]: And the production he's given you this season

[00:54:44] [SPEAKER_02]: But what about the other things lyle?

[00:54:47] [SPEAKER_02]: The two guys that are going to be astronomically expensive and that we know

[00:54:52] [SPEAKER_02]: The two of them cannot be here long term together. That will not happen

[00:54:56] [SPEAKER_02]: The mariners don't have the payroll to do that

[00:54:59] [SPEAKER_02]: What those two guys are going to cost on the open market

[00:55:02] [SPEAKER_02]: The fact that like ryan divvish floated those two names out there as soon as this off season

[00:55:08] [SPEAKER_02]: If the mariners were going to go out and get

[00:55:11] [SPEAKER_02]: That a level bat not a cursed ad projectable bat like an a level bat

[00:55:16] [SPEAKER_02]: That could help this lineup

[00:55:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Like what what comes across your mind when he says that

[00:55:25] [SPEAKER_03]: This fan base is going to burn down

[00:55:28] [SPEAKER_03]: It's we're going to be set up for another off season of just unreal content

[00:55:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I got to tell you what if things like that start to go down

[00:55:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Good lord. I mean

[00:55:39] [SPEAKER_03]: If but if you're serious about that you think trading one of those guys gets you a real bat

[00:55:44] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to put you on the spot here a little bit, but like throw somebody out there

[00:55:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Who are you getting back?

[00:55:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Are you talking about like?

[00:55:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to use the orioles again

[00:55:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe we can think of somebody else, but just because it's off the top of my head

[00:55:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Like this is it jackson holiday

[00:56:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Like still projectable, but we're talking more upside

[00:56:07] [SPEAKER_03]: But that's not a proven guy for george kirby or logan gilbert

[00:56:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I was gonna say like I like the only guys that would warrant those guys from baltimore for example would be like

[00:56:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Gunner, but the orioles aren't going to do that. No

[00:56:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And like bobby what's not getting traded

[00:56:24] [SPEAKER_02]: No

[00:56:25] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think you're getting somebody like that. I think you almost have to take a step down

[00:56:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you would so I was thinking about this and I was thinking about this in regards to what corbin burns was traded for

[00:56:36] [SPEAKER_02]: A little bit farther along

[00:56:38] [SPEAKER_02]: In his arbitration brewers are in a similar situation as the mariners were in

[00:56:42] [SPEAKER_02]: They couldn't afford to extend burns. I don't think they wanted to pay the final year of his arbitration

[00:56:47] [SPEAKER_02]: That relationship had been fractured

[00:56:49] [SPEAKER_02]: So they traded him to the orioles with one year of control

[00:56:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And the brewers got joey orteez, which who's had a good year this year a 110 w RC plus

[00:56:58] [SPEAKER_02]: He's been worth two and a half wins

[00:56:59] [SPEAKER_02]: He's played good defense deal hulls stunk further orioles hasn't been very good this year

[00:57:05] [SPEAKER_02]: So that was with one year. I the mariners

[00:57:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Now I would be a surprise if they trade one of these two in the off season because they're not really expensive yet

[00:57:14] [SPEAKER_02]: But they will be

[00:57:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Just not this the not next year next year. Logan's been he gonna make around nine million dollars. George is gonna make four

[00:57:23] [SPEAKER_02]: That's not an astronomical amount

[00:57:26] [SPEAKER_02]: It only starts getting more after the fact we have to start thinking about extending them and when the other money on your players

[00:57:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Around your roster start making more as well

[00:57:37] [SPEAKER_02]: So at that point you would have two years left of Logan and three years left of george kirby

[00:57:41] [SPEAKER_02]: You could get more than that package that the orioles gave up to get corbin burns

[00:57:45] [SPEAKER_02]: But you don't want that package

[00:57:48] [SPEAKER_02]: That corbin burns receive

[00:57:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Got the brewers

[00:57:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Because he only had one year control and I will say this when the brewers traded corbin burns

[00:57:59] [SPEAKER_02]: He is was a better pitcher than logan gilbert or dirge kirby is right now as good as they're pitching corbin verge was better

[00:58:05] [SPEAKER_02]: He won a sayonk

[00:58:06] [SPEAKER_02]: So if that's the return corbin burns got with for only one year

[00:58:11] [SPEAKER_02]: That means that you to get the return you would want for big league bats

[00:58:17] [SPEAKER_02]: You would have to trade them with at least two years left. I'm still trying to think about what type of player

[00:58:26] [SPEAKER_03]: It would warrant

[00:58:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Because i'm trying to think about contending teams and most of those teams aren't trading their top guys like

[00:58:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Like throw the dodgers out because aside from their top heavy future hall of famers

[00:58:38] [SPEAKER_03]: There's not anybody on that roster. You're trading

[00:58:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Logan or kirby for we talked about the orioles

[00:58:44] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't really know who it would be from the braves. All those guys are on big contract or like not big contracts

[00:58:49] [SPEAKER_03]: But they're not going to trade akunya and if you're talking about somebody like riley or olsen

[00:58:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Those guys are on bigger contracts. So like i'm still trying to think about who

[00:58:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Gets you the return you want. Yeah, I was thinking like

[00:59:02] [SPEAKER_02]: In terms of fit

[00:59:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Austin riley would be the fit

[00:59:06] [SPEAKER_03]: And what the braves need but I know the contract. I was gonna say he's on a 210 million dollar deal, right?

[00:59:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Man see what happens when you don't spend any money. Wow

[00:59:17] [SPEAKER_03]: It's almost like they should try doing that, huh?

[00:59:21] [SPEAKER_03]: You know we've talked about

[00:59:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Them spending and not spending in free agency

[00:59:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I think people's gripes would be a lot less

[00:59:29] [SPEAKER_03]: If they were doing something like the braves did and started extending a lot of their own guys in house

[00:59:34] [SPEAKER_03]: They're not even doing that. They have done two extensions

[00:59:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Julio as of right now is not playing up to that contract in any way shape or form

[00:59:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Louise castio has been good. We also don't know if he's gonna be here the full length of that contract. He may get traded

[00:59:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Where are the rest of them? Where's kirby's? Where's logans? Where's cal's?

[00:59:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Well

[00:59:56] [SPEAKER_02]: How would you the two in-house prospect extensions they've done lile could you say either have been a success?

[01:00:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, but you know what you have in kirby and gilbert now

[01:00:08] [SPEAKER_02]: They can't again. It just doesn't seem like they're willing to pay that much

[01:00:12] [SPEAKER_02]: This is they were gonna give out two of those extensions to those guys. What striders contract is

[01:00:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh his his is a joke. It's like a joke. Yeah

[01:00:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And there's no way logan gilbert of george kirby would agree to that contract. That's the legitimate only way you could sign both of them

[01:00:30] [SPEAKER_03]: I also I also have to dial this back for a second. Are you really trying to compare george kirby and logan gilbert to

[01:00:37] [SPEAKER_03]: evan white

[01:00:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we're talking in house extensions, aren't we?

[01:00:42] [SPEAKER_02]: well, yeah

[01:00:44] [SPEAKER_02]: But ebbin was the top 60 prospect

[01:00:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Well evan white got that contract before he played a single big league game kirby and gilbert are now bona fide all stars

[01:00:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I think the mariners learned their lesson about handing that out didn't they because they offered jared the same thing

[01:00:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, how it would have that worked?

[01:01:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, right. But again now you know you have seen it

[01:01:05] [SPEAKER_03]: You have proven it if you're logan and george if you're george kirby. Why would you sign that?

[01:01:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't know. I think of the two you have a better chance to

[01:01:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Sign logan, but again, look even if you're logan, why would you sign that contract?

[01:01:18] [SPEAKER_02]: You know what you're worth on the open market. You see what these guys get

[01:01:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, they need to commit to signing one of them

[01:01:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure they do

[01:01:27] [SPEAKER_02]: But again like unless you think it's worth your time

[01:01:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Logan Gilbert and george kirby know their worth well over 30 million dollars a year on the open market

[01:01:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah

[01:01:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah

[01:01:39] [SPEAKER_02]: You know what do you got do you have anything else to say on this because we do have some more to get to

[01:01:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we do so let me transition us here again like none of these topics are going to be fun at all second one

[01:01:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Not only could a pitcher get traded

[01:01:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Randy a rosa rena might get traded half a fucking year after they traded for him

[01:01:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Now this move

[01:02:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Like you at least kind of get trading a pitcher because you have a lot of them

[01:02:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And they would get you by far the biggest return

[01:02:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I have no idea what trading randia rosa rena would do for you next year besides make you worse

[01:02:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Literally nothing the only thing randy would do

[01:02:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Next year is be a middle of the order bat for you. That's it and you'd be at a reasonable price

[01:02:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Then you were from 12 to 15 million dollars next year

[01:02:25] [SPEAKER_02]: And then he'd become a little bit more expensive after that it might go over 20 million dollars

[01:02:30] [SPEAKER_02]: But i'm not sure especially based on well the package that the mariners gave up for randia rosa rena what they gave to the raise

[01:02:38] [SPEAKER_02]: If you got that same package back are fans happy

[01:02:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Any off season no

[01:02:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Not at all we're talking about two guys as fun and prospects as brody hopkins and aiden smith are playing in medesto

[01:02:54] [SPEAKER_02]: low-way

[01:02:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Also not to mention again

[01:02:58] [SPEAKER_03]: It's not going to be a good look if you trade somebody from that rotation to get a bat because you should just be able to sign a bat

[01:03:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Or trade prospects for a bat anyway

[01:03:06] [SPEAKER_03]: but

[01:03:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Like you said at least there is some

[01:03:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Reason and logic behind it

[01:03:12] [SPEAKER_03]: If you know the weakness of your team as your offense and you go trade randia rosa rena

[01:03:17] [SPEAKER_03]: I said the fan base would burn down if they trade a pitcher. They go do this in the off season

[01:03:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean we're talking pitchforks

[01:03:25] [SPEAKER_03]: It's it's going to be bad if that trade happens half a year after you got them when you know you need offense

[01:03:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh

[01:03:34] [SPEAKER_03]: It's

[01:03:34] [SPEAKER_03]: It's going to be

[01:03:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Really really bad. I am not looking forward to recording those podcasts if that happens

[01:03:42] [SPEAKER_02]: And the only reason they would trade randy is to save money

[01:03:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Correct and that's it because he's going to be expensive

[01:03:48] [SPEAKER_02]: And he's going to want his money when he reaches free agency in two years

[01:03:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And he's going to look for a pretty penny that the mariners are not going to pay him

[01:03:55] [SPEAKER_02]: No, that that's not going to happen. But that's fine. So but why can't the mariners fork up the combined?

[01:04:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's do some math here. So they owe them two this year. Let's say they pay them 15 next year

[01:04:06] [SPEAKER_02]: That's 17 and they give them 20 in the year after that in 20 26

[01:04:10] [SPEAKER_02]: That's four 37 million dollars combined

[01:04:14] [SPEAKER_02]: You're telling me you don't have 37 million dollars combined to pay randia rosarana

[01:04:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Think think about two years think about that

[01:04:21] [SPEAKER_03]: If you were to be told oh

[01:04:23] [SPEAKER_03]: You get to sign randia rosarana do a three year 37 million dollar contract. What would you say? Yes

[01:04:29] [SPEAKER_03]: I actually it's even less than three two and a half years for 37 and a half million dollars

[01:04:35] [SPEAKER_03]: so

[01:04:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, actually that walks it back

[01:04:38] [SPEAKER_03]: But anyway, boy being that is not a lot to pay a guy that can be as impactful as randy can

[01:04:44] [SPEAKER_03]: And if you can't fork that up, oh, that's going to be a disgrace. That is going to be a literal disgrace

[01:04:50] [SPEAKER_03]: They better not they better not do that. Let me put that on record right now

[01:04:53] [SPEAKER_02]: There's no way you could sell a contending off season and do that

[01:04:58] [SPEAKER_02]: You would look worse than the race would

[01:05:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you thought you thought this past off season was bad when mariners fans were livid about trading jared kelnek who

[01:05:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Everybody knows I love but he's a career not even 100 w rc plus hitter

[01:05:12] [SPEAKER_03]: You you thought the fan base was mad then

[01:05:15] [SPEAKER_03]: You go trade randia rosarana half a year after trading for him

[01:05:19] [SPEAKER_03]: When you say you're in a contention window

[01:05:22] [SPEAKER_03]: And you trade away a piece of your team that is the weakest link by far in your offense

[01:05:26] [SPEAKER_03]: It's going to be so bad. It's going to be it's going to be so bad if they trade him

[01:05:31] [SPEAKER_02]: At least the ray's got a good prospect package for him

[01:05:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if the mariners could do the same not having to flip them again. Yeah, like

[01:05:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Randy probably is going to want his money when he hits free agency and that's fine

[01:05:42] [SPEAKER_03]: He doesn't have to be here come two and a half years from now

[01:05:47] [SPEAKER_03]: But I at least assumed when they were trading for him that they were going to ride it out for two and a half years

[01:05:53] [SPEAKER_03]: So do that

[01:05:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Do that

[01:05:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Ride it out and you can let him hit free agency

[01:05:59] [SPEAKER_03]: You're in this contention window for the next three years

[01:06:02] [SPEAKER_03]: At least with this rotation with the rosarana

[01:06:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, hopefully you'll bounce his back somewhat

[01:06:08] [SPEAKER_03]: You have cow

[01:06:10] [SPEAKER_03]: You're in the contention window now you trade him away. Oh

[01:06:15] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like I can't stress it enough. It's going to be bad

[01:06:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I have some more positive more positive takeaway from that what davis said they're fixing the batter's eye

[01:06:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Wow

[01:06:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Like now we need some we need some celebratory music

[01:06:31] [SPEAKER_03]: I think diva said they're gonna look into it right like he didn't confirm it

[01:06:35] [SPEAKER_02]: But he's no, yeah, you're right. He did. I misspoke

[01:06:39] [SPEAKER_02]: He did not absolutely 100 for sure say they were going to fix the batter's eye

[01:06:45] [SPEAKER_02]: But

[01:06:46] [SPEAKER_02]: It's on their mind

[01:06:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is good that like that's all we can ask for

[01:06:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I can't believe that

[01:06:54] [SPEAKER_03]: This has come to light the way it has

[01:06:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Like did teoska hernandez just save the mariner's offense in a way of not being here

[01:07:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, they do still need to hit after they fix the batter's eye. So that's a that's a to be determined

[01:07:07] [SPEAKER_02]: And as you and I have highlighted in the last few weeks lyle, they still managed to hit with a crummy batter's eye

[01:07:14] [SPEAKER_02]: so

[01:07:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah

[01:07:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and diva talked about some interesting things with it. Well one straightening it out would make a lot of sense

[01:07:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I I guess I forgot that yeah, there did used to be trees and stuff out there

[01:07:26] [SPEAKER_03]: But then they they were dying so they had to get rid of them

[01:07:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe the extra added elements out there actually helped once upon a time

[01:07:33] [SPEAKER_03]: But that batter's eye being out in center field all on its own

[01:07:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Actually made it a little harder to pick up the baseball off of so yeah, hopefully they'll straighten it out

[01:07:43] [SPEAKER_03]: But I actually thought it was interesting diva said they might change the color of it a little bit

[01:07:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Then maybe that would help

[01:07:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, was it a less shiny black?

[01:07:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess so yeah more of a matte color. Yeah

[01:07:55] [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, that is that is a positive. So we've had two negatives one positive

[01:08:00] [SPEAKER_03]: And the last two takeaways we have are more just observations

[01:08:04] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't really know if they're negative or positive the first one being

[01:08:08] [SPEAKER_03]: So maybe jerry and scott weren't as close as everybody assumed and when diva painted the picture to us

[01:08:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Of why that was actually made more sense. I guess we never really stopped to think about it

[01:08:20] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, he used the example of two of us if one of us was technically the boss of this podcast

[01:08:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Which in case anybody like actually thought that for whatever reason it's not it's a very very equal partnership

[01:08:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Which is what makes doing this a lot of fun for both of us

[01:08:35] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, diva is just right like if one person was in charge of you for that long

[01:08:40] [SPEAKER_03]: And had final say over what you were doing and had to boss you around in some ways at certain times

[01:08:46] [SPEAKER_03]: There would probably be some grown resentment there and it sounds like over the nine-year period here that started to happen

[01:08:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And it was all of the flak scott had to catch because of jerry

[01:08:57] [SPEAKER_02]: But people would blame scott for the roster underperforming while scott sits there and thinks well, these guys just aren't that good

[01:09:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And jerry got me these players and it's my fault that jerry got me bad players

[01:09:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it makes a lot of sense this this just I'd say puts in perspective

[01:09:14] [SPEAKER_02]: There's so many things that people like ryan divish and adam jude and daniel kramer and shannon drair

[01:09:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And even 710 don't like they don't talk about this kind of stuff. This stuff never really comes to light

[01:09:27] [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't get written about it's not going to sell newspaper subscriptions

[01:09:31] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not going to not going to do any of that

[01:09:33] [SPEAKER_02]: But it doesn't mean these things don't exist and these dynamics don't exist within organizations and within clubhouses

[01:09:40] [SPEAKER_02]: If you work with anyone for long enough

[01:09:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I would say like tensions will come up no matter what you spend enough time with anybody

[01:09:47] [SPEAKER_02]: That like it's gonna happen and yeah same be said with scott service and jerry depoto

[01:09:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And

[01:09:54] [SPEAKER_02]: You know

[01:09:55] [SPEAKER_02]: especially after this past week

[01:09:58] [SPEAKER_02]: They like what we we can't say we know for sure what the relationship is but

[01:10:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I'll say it didn't help

[01:10:06] [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, it's it's definitely probably in a worse spot than it once was that's for sure

[01:10:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so so are you saying are you saying in time the two of us are just gonna hate each other?

[01:10:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Hate's not the wrong word, but you know mike and the mad dog the og sports talk program

[01:10:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Like they hated each other. That's why they stopped

[01:10:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah

[01:10:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, Mike and Mike in the morning too like you know with with goalic and and greeny

[01:10:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, those guys

[01:10:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I I I pledge to never let that happen because like

[01:10:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Actually, I don't even know if I've said this out loud before but I always said like I think the two of ours

[01:10:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Like our friendship between the two of us was always more important to me than all this now

[01:10:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I want this to go as far as it can possibly go

[01:10:48] [SPEAKER_03]: But I would never want it to be at the cost of us like having what happened to us happened to any of them

[01:10:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Where you're just not friends anymore. So like yeah, I mean like okay

[01:10:56] [SPEAKER_03]: The two of us will sometimes have different opinions about things that are you're sad

[01:11:00] [SPEAKER_03]: To make me cry. I'm gonna make you cry. Yeah, that's

[01:11:04] [SPEAKER_03]: That's just my forte. Isn't it? I'm such an emotional person. Anyway, open up your heart to everybody. Yeah, exactly

[01:11:10] [SPEAKER_03]: um

[01:11:11] [SPEAKER_03]: No, I mean the two of us will like have disagreements on like very small things about like how we want to format certain things about

[01:11:17] [SPEAKER_03]: For show or for social media or when we're planning

[01:11:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Certain things like whether we're going somewhere whether it's for you know a trip with this podcast or whatever

[01:11:25] [SPEAKER_03]: It's never anything like serious though like like sure like if there's not disagreements in a partnership

[01:11:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Then it's not a good partnership because you want two people that look at things a little bit differently that being said

[01:11:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think with jerry and scott. It was just disagreements where everybody saw things a little bit differently

[01:11:42] [SPEAKER_03]: And you had to try to work things out

[01:11:44] [SPEAKER_03]: No, it sounds like that relationship started to get strained over time and to you and to your point of what you were

[01:11:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Just alluding to that scott started to say why am I the scapegoat for all this?

[01:11:55] [SPEAKER_03]: All I have been doing is managing the team that you gave me and i'm getting blamed

[01:12:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Like how was that fair? So, yeah, if I were scott, I would have resentment for my boss too

[01:12:05] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like you are throwing me to the wolves here

[01:12:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't go out and acquire all the players that you've acquired

[01:12:11] [SPEAKER_03]: I just have to play them and you tell me like who you want played in certain situations

[01:12:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Obviously, we have meetings about all this stuff and you tell me you like certain ideas x y and z and I have to go out and deploy them

[01:12:23] [SPEAKER_03]: so

[01:12:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it is

[01:12:26] [SPEAKER_03]: It's tough in that way

[01:12:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, people blame scott service for colton long a j polyc and tommy listella all being on the same roster together

[01:12:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and scott's probably sitting there being like well, I don't want these guys on my roster

[01:12:41] [SPEAKER_02]: um and then the last thing

[01:12:43] [SPEAKER_02]: on scott service speaking of

[01:12:45] [SPEAKER_02]: uh

[01:12:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Blame blame pie and taking flak

[01:12:50] [SPEAKER_02]: scott was harder on julio than he was on anyone else. It was interesting

[01:12:53] [SPEAKER_02]: So you ask ryan about julio's comments on scott service, which were very different from jp crawford's comments

[01:13:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh when asked earlier in the day about scott service leading in julio essentially throughout well, we're all employees this stuff happens

[01:13:08] [SPEAKER_02]: And ryan highlights some of the background of the relationship of scott service and julio rodriguez that

[01:13:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Gate like ryan was giving us the impression that scott was harder on julio

[01:13:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Then he was on any other player there

[01:13:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Which i you know to be honest, lio makes sense

[01:13:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Julio's the star

[01:13:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Like scott should I feel like as a manager

[01:13:31] [SPEAKER_02]: If your best player who you know is better than everyone else on your team is not performing up to par

[01:13:38] [SPEAKER_02]: You call him on it and you try and find a way to get said player

[01:13:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Back performing at the top level in this season that wasn't a case

[01:13:47] [SPEAKER_02]: If there was anything scott service had to do with the failures of julio rodriguez

[01:13:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And that certainly doesn't pay to good line on scott service

[01:13:54] [SPEAKER_02]: But it just sounds like the two

[01:13:57] [SPEAKER_02]: you know, whether it be disagreements or

[01:14:00] [SPEAKER_02]: You know just having to have more discussions with julio because of his performance

[01:14:04] [SPEAKER_02]: And trying to get him back up to that standard that he was in 2022

[01:14:09] [SPEAKER_02]: He might have not rubbed julio the right way seems like

[01:14:13] [SPEAKER_03]: We don't know that part for sure, but yeah, like it is a possibility. That's what we took away from that from that conversation

[01:14:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Like what divas told us is scott service was harder on julio than he was on any other player

[01:14:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Which yeah makes total sense

[01:14:27] [SPEAKER_03]: You are expected to do the most of anybody on the team. You're the best play

[01:14:30] [SPEAKER_03]: You are the most talented player

[01:14:32] [SPEAKER_03]: You have the contract that says you are the best player

[01:14:35] [SPEAKER_03]: The most is expected of you

[01:14:38] [SPEAKER_03]: With great power comes great responsibility

[01:14:40] [SPEAKER_03]: and

[01:14:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Service demanded that out of julio. He knew

[01:14:44] [SPEAKER_03]: That when julio goes the rest of the offense can go and when he's not always going

[01:14:48] [SPEAKER_03]: It can look a little bit like it's looked a lot of this year

[01:14:50] [SPEAKER_03]: So of course, of course he wanted more out of julio and it sounded like he tried to get more out of julio

[01:14:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, maybe julio didn't like the way it was delivered or the way the messages were being

[01:15:01] [SPEAKER_03]: You know relayed to him again that part. We'll never know

[01:15:05] [SPEAKER_03]: but

[01:15:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like

[01:15:08] [SPEAKER_02]: And and I don't know if it's unfair. I don't think so. I feel like if it was unfair ryan would have told us because that's how ryan operates

[01:15:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Like he he tells it as it is

[01:15:17] [SPEAKER_02]: He didn't paint it as scott is being unfairly harsh to julio

[01:15:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Right it is just in perspective to everyone else on the roster and the role julio hopes to fill

[01:15:29] [SPEAKER_02]: In the future

[01:15:30] [SPEAKER_02]: So I thought that was very interesting this again just a lot of the stuff that won't get written about

[01:15:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean julio would probably never talk about this. It's just not deep enough for him. Not as not important enough

[01:15:40] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just more of what managers have to deal with on a day-to-day basis and

[01:15:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Some of the little things about how players receive them and how they don't right?

[01:15:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I think we thought scott service was

[01:15:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I think we had the impression scott service was universally loved by the clubhouse

[01:15:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Now after we heard that from jeff passin earlier this week our last week on brock and salk in the comment

[01:16:04] [SPEAKER_02]: He had about scott definitely not being that way and then something that div is that what div has said in response when you asked him that question

[01:16:12] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's a learning experience for us too when the people who know more than we do

[01:16:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Sort of fill in the blanks on some of the inner workings of how these organizations operate

[01:16:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah

[01:16:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's true

[01:16:26] [SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot to take away in this conversation. I got to tell you it's

[01:16:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Hopefully everybody died digested all okay

[01:16:34] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure we're going to see more of this play out as the months go on certainly in the off season

[01:16:38] [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to be on our toes, but yeah overall like

[01:16:42] [SPEAKER_03]: We wanted to have diva shon for this exact reason because we knew he'd probably be able to provide a lot of insight and value

[01:16:48] [SPEAKER_03]: That the two of us just couldn't do because like we don't we don't do as much hard nose reporting as he does obviously

[01:16:56] [SPEAKER_03]: And he was able to provide that

[01:16:58] [SPEAKER_03]: With us in or you know talking to him about it

[01:17:00] [SPEAKER_03]: And we learned a lot. Oh, we learned a lot that hadn't been out there before today. I think yeah

[01:17:07] [SPEAKER_02]: And he's happy short season is coming to an end

[01:17:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah

[01:17:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Sorry diva sh maybe next year in spring training

[01:17:14] [SPEAKER_03]: You'll actually learn the right way and stop wearing the shorts of a seven footer that go like way below your knees

[01:17:18] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think so. No, he won't knowing him. He definitely despises the way people are aged now dress

[01:17:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Because

[01:17:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, he's grouch. Yeah, he's grouch

[01:17:30] [SPEAKER_03]: He thinks it's done

[01:17:31] [SPEAKER_03]: well

[01:17:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Sad

[01:17:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry ryan missing out. Yeah. Yes. He is

[01:17:37] [SPEAKER_03]: All right, I think that wraps up this edition of the marine layer podcast

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