Lyle & TJ jump into the Julio Rodriguez conversation, detailing what has gone wrong, what he needs to do to fix it, and why the reaction from the fanbase has been the way it has been (5:13). They then open up the mailbag and answer fan questions about the Ronald Acuña trade proposals this week, Dan Wilson's "Vibe", Home Run Derby strategy, and more (41:23). They close out the show with their final MLB Draft Spotlight: Ethan Holliday (1:02:24).
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00:00 --> 00:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to episode number two sixty six of the Marine layer podcast.
00:03 --> 00:04 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a mailbag episode.
00:04 --> 00:07 [SPEAKER_01]: So we'll open it up and answer your guys' best listener questions.
00:08 --> 00:10 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll talk about the struggles of Julio Rodriguez.
00:10 --> 00:14 [SPEAKER_01]: What he needs to do to fix them and how this impacts the rest of the Mariners roster.
00:14 --> 00:15 [SPEAKER_01]: What they'll do going forward.
00:16 --> 00:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And finally, we have our number one MLB draft spotlight.
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01:47 --> 01:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Lair podcast part of the just baseball podcast network recording on Wednesday evening July ninth.
01:56 --> 02:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think we're going to spend that much time talking about this Yankee series, but the Mariners pitching staff has really struggled with these first two games.
02:03 --> 02:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me throw a number at you.
02:05 --> 02:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to get your action to these numbers on the road this season.
02:09 --> 02:11 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners are the fifth best offense in faith in baseball.
02:11 --> 02:12 [SPEAKER_01]: That sounds pretty good, right?
02:13 --> 02:14 [SPEAKER_01]: It does.
02:15 --> 02:19 [SPEAKER_01]: At home, the Mariners have the seventh best pitching staff in all of baseball.
02:19 --> 02:21 [SPEAKER_01]: That also sounds pretty good.
02:24 --> 02:25 [SPEAKER_00]: You're stirring people up.
02:25 --> 02:28 [SPEAKER_00]: You're getting people all teed up for.
02:29 --> 02:30 [SPEAKER_00]: It's only half your games, isn't it?
02:31 --> 02:55 [SPEAKER_01]: yet there has to be a ball that drops in the ball that drops is with the Mariners having the fifth best offense in the league on the road there also now twenty second in era actually this is without updating for Wednesday's game in which they give up nine more runs and at home in which they're seven the near their uh... seventh in era they're twenty fourth in run scored that's not a really ideal combo like they find the positives
02:56 --> 03:03 [SPEAKER_01]: when the situation is advantageous, but then there are other strength in their other situation drops off.
03:04 --> 03:31 [SPEAKER_01]: it's like it's you see the gif online right where it's like Mariners trying to win games or it's like it's the three three buttons you push it's pitching often like pitching like starting pitching offense bullpen and then you press only two of the buttons can be pressed at a time you press the offense button one of the one of the bullpen or the starting rotation goes off et cetera et cetera that's kind of what it feels like that was a long-winded way to describe a gift
03:33 --> 03:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you, it didn't resonate with you right away.
03:37 --> 03:38 [SPEAKER_01]: If you did, yes, so to stop talking.
03:39 --> 03:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe there's people listening that got it right away.
03:41 --> 03:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, yeah, that's that ideal.
03:44 --> 03:49 [SPEAKER_00]: You're going to pitch wall at home and not hit wall at home and then you're going to hit well on the road and not pitch wall on the road.
03:49 --> 03:53 [SPEAKER_00]: That doesn't exactly equate to a bunch of wins and right now for the Mariners, it's not.
03:54 --> 04:00 [SPEAKER_01]: And this is where we're back on the swing of of vibes good vibes bad vibes are pretty good after the pirate series.
04:00 --> 04:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I really liked watching them shut up the pirates for three games in a row.
04:04 --> 04:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, I didn't even notice they jumped their season ERA as a team up like seven spots over the course of one homestand.
04:12 --> 04:15 [SPEAKER_01]: And now it's we're dressing back after the after the Yankee series.
04:16 --> 04:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Are you shocked?
04:17 --> 04:20 [SPEAKER_00]: The Pirates lineup is a legit atrocity and the Yankees are a real offense.
04:21 --> 04:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not, but everyone's guaranteed to play the Pirates at least once, right?
04:25 --> 04:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone gets to play them.
04:26 --> 04:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
04:26 --> 04:27 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what, man?
04:28 --> 04:29 [SPEAKER_00]: It comes down to this.
04:29 --> 04:31 [SPEAKER_00]: And again, we're not going to spend much time on the Yankees series.
04:31 --> 04:32 [SPEAKER_00]: We can wrap this up here in a second.
04:32 --> 04:33 [SPEAKER_00]: But it comes down to this.
04:33 --> 04:38 [SPEAKER_00]: We've talked about this series of games and the stretch of games that they're going to have in the month of July.
04:39 --> 04:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Now there are two games into it as we're sitting here recording it.
04:44 --> 04:51 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of time left in the month, but through two games, I think our fears about this stretch are being realized.
04:51 --> 04:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Through two games, obviously it can turn around, but I do not feel great about the remainder of this Yankee series.
04:57 --> 05:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I do not feel great about going to Detroit, and I do not feel great about playing the Astros in the Brewers.
05:01 --> 05:06 [SPEAKER_00]: So we'll see, I hope this prize us, but again, tough stretch games.
05:07 --> 05:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it is a very tough stretch of games.
05:11 --> 05:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Four games before the All Star Break.
05:13 --> 05:15 [SPEAKER_01]: This feels like a good time to bring up this subject.
05:15 --> 05:18 [SPEAKER_01]: We're a little bit past the halfway point of the season.
05:18 --> 05:35 [SPEAKER_01]: If you'll been asking us about this, we talked about him a little bit on Sunday when the All Stars were announced and it's been a really hot button topic, timely again for the second consecutive year that you and I have to sit here, despite all the other things going on with this team, sit here and talk about who Leo's performance this season.
05:36 --> 05:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Because again, while there were some things earlier on the season that he was doing different, he was able to remain productive.
05:42 --> 05:44 [SPEAKER_01]: And we didn't have as much of a problem with it.
05:44 --> 05:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's not an issue.
05:45 --> 05:48 [SPEAKER_01]: And there are other issues on the scene that we can sit here and talk about.
05:49 --> 05:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Since June fifteen, Julia Rodriguez has been really struggling.
05:53 --> 05:58 [SPEAKER_01]: It's dropped his season offensive statistics to about a league average level.
05:59 --> 06:02 [SPEAKER_01]: And people have been getting very frustrated with what they're seeing with Julia Rodriguez.
06:03 --> 06:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Look, I wish we could sit here and we could find a way to fix Julio Rodriguez right here this moment.
06:09 --> 06:20 [SPEAKER_01]: But unfortunately, this guy, even though he's here in his fourth season as a twenty four year old is enduring yet another set of struggles, that is not helping with the consistencies of this offense.
06:20 --> 06:21 [SPEAKER_01]: People have had a lot of beef with him batting.
06:21 --> 06:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Second, there's a whole lot of issues that we can tackle here with this Julio Rodriguez conversation.
06:26 --> 06:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And ultimately, hope he performs better after the All Star Break.
06:31 --> 06:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Where would you like to go with this first?
06:34 --> 06:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Let me just start here.
06:35 --> 06:38 [SPEAKER_00]: And you alluded to it briefly there.
06:38 --> 06:42 [SPEAKER_00]: But this is essentially not just the second year in a row.
06:42 --> 06:46 [SPEAKER_00]: We're talking about Julio Rodriguez and his production or lack thereof.
06:46 --> 06:49 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's right at the same time of the year.
06:49 --> 06:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Last year on about July first.
06:53 --> 06:54 [SPEAKER_00]: We had to sit here and do an episode.
06:54 --> 06:55 [SPEAKER_00]: We spent a whole hour on it.
06:55 --> 06:57 [SPEAKER_00]: There were no other topics discussed on the episode.
06:58 --> 07:11 [SPEAKER_00]: We spent an hour on Julio Rodriguez alone because we hadn't really talked about him in the Atlantic yet hadn't gone through his struggles and what we came to the conclusion of back then if you want a five second summary of an hour podcast is
07:11 --> 07:13 [SPEAKER_00]: This just isn't a superstar player.
07:13 --> 07:13 [SPEAKER_00]: He's a good player.
07:14 --> 07:23 [SPEAKER_00]: He's just not a superstar and he's not the guy that he was tapped to be back when he was a rookie and back when he was a prospect and people had certain expectations of him.
07:23 --> 07:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, I don't think there's much more to rehash there, right?
07:27 --> 07:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Cause through a year or not much has changed.
07:30 --> 07:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I was not playing on having that discussion today.
07:33 --> 07:35 [SPEAKER_00]: No, so anyway, I'm just giving people the context.
07:36 --> 07:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Good player, not a superstar.
07:40 --> 07:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I like to look at when we were talking about our season preview, right?
07:43 --> 07:48 [SPEAKER_01]: And I said something that could not happen this season, like what happened with Julio Rodriguez last year.
07:48 --> 07:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sitting here looking at the August, twenty twenty four trade deadline with Julio Rodriguez.
07:53 --> 07:55 [SPEAKER_01]: When the Mariners went out and they got Randy arose the rain.
07:55 --> 07:59 [SPEAKER_01]: They got Justin Turner and they got Jimmy Garcia and they went out and they upgraded their offense.
07:59 --> 08:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm sitting here and looking at Julio's stats.
08:02 --> 08:04 [SPEAKER_01]: on the season in that twenty twenty four year.
08:04 --> 08:09 [SPEAKER_01]: He finished the season really hot in August and September, but do those first four months of the season.
08:09 --> 08:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm staring right now, Lyle at a one oh four WRC plus for Julio Rodriguez at the trade deadline in the twenty twenty four season.
08:17 --> 08:28 [SPEAKER_01]: So we sat here on this podcast while previewing out filters and talking about this team and what they need to do to be successful this season and said, you just can't get to the trade deadline again and have those same stats.
08:29 --> 08:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm worried at this point if stuff doesn't turn around in a couple of weeks that we're looking at not only the same, it could be a little bit worse if he can't find a way to break out of his slump.
08:39 --> 08:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I will say this Yankee series has helped him a little bit.
08:42 --> 08:44 [SPEAKER_01]: He has got the ball in the air a couple times.
08:44 --> 08:46 [SPEAKER_01]: He's pulled the ball in the air a couple times.
08:46 --> 08:48 [SPEAKER_01]: He's hit the ball hard a couple of times.
08:48 --> 08:51 [SPEAKER_01]: It has done a little bit of work for him, which is nice.
08:52 --> 08:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And it has better than what he'd been doing before.
08:54 --> 08:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Great.
08:55 --> 09:07 [SPEAKER_01]: But we need to see more of it, and we need to see a little bit more consistent basis of it, especially if the Mariners are going to continue to hit him in the number two hole, which they've stayed loyal with, right?
09:07 --> 09:11 [SPEAKER_01]: They said they want to keep one lineup and roll it out there and be very consistent with it.
09:11 --> 09:12 [SPEAKER_01]: That's fine.
09:13 --> 09:18 [SPEAKER_01]: But if Julio's running out the fifty-five WRC+, he's put out the last month essentially,
09:20 --> 09:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Then it just makes it a lot harder and it makes it harder on you to score runs that way.
09:23 --> 09:24 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's the name of the game, right?
09:25 --> 09:26 [SPEAKER_01]: You got to go out there and you got to score.
09:27 --> 09:28 [SPEAKER_00]: You have to.
09:31 --> 09:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to think where I even want to go off that based off everything that I'm just out right here.
09:35 --> 09:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll go here.
09:38 --> 09:44 [SPEAKER_00]: One, you're absolutely right, that they need more from Julio getting to the trade deadline because you need to have more of an established offense.
09:44 --> 09:48 [SPEAKER_00]: You need to know what exactly your offense is when you are going to upgrade at the deadline.
09:48 --> 09:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Now that you're replacing Julio by any means, you're not.
09:51 --> 09:55 [SPEAKER_00]: He's going to be your centerfielder this year and the next and the next and the next for the next ten years.
09:55 --> 09:55 [SPEAKER_00]: You know that.
09:56 --> 10:19 [SPEAKER_00]: it's just more about when you look at the teams overall stealing and where they can get to you would like to have a little more clarity on who this often says and for fans I get why it's frustrating that we're nearly four months into the season and we either a don't have an identity of the offense or b we do and people don't want to come to terms with what it is and that it's just not good enough and a lot of that has to do it's
10:21 --> 10:22 [SPEAKER_00]: What?
10:22 --> 10:23 [SPEAKER_01]: What's the offense?
10:23 --> 10:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Is Cal Rowley.
10:24 --> 10:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, well, yeah.
10:25 --> 10:26 [SPEAKER_00]: It's essentially one guy.
10:26 --> 10:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And for the last two weeks, it's been Randy Rosarina.
10:28 --> 10:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
10:29 --> 10:29 [SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
10:30 --> 10:31 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's not enough.
10:31 --> 10:32 [SPEAKER_00]: It just isn't.
10:32 --> 10:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Especially when fans got told that the start of the offseason.
10:35 --> 10:40 [SPEAKER_00]: The, or sorry, at the end of the offseason, there were no holes in the bill.
10:40 --> 10:42 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's funny.
10:42 --> 10:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Julio, when you talk about the numbers being right around the same league average mark as we enter the trade deadline,
10:50 --> 11:05 [SPEAKER_00]: it's funny he is like every day for the last few days had that WRC plus floating right at the one hundred mark and it looks like it might fall under and it looks like he might have been over four day where he drops under a hundred and then he always saves it.
11:05 --> 11:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Each of the last few days he is managed to get one hit.
11:08 --> 11:11 [SPEAKER_00]: where it keeps that WRC plus just over a hundred.
11:12 --> 11:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying that's I'm not saying that that's what people's expectation should be.
11:15 --> 11:16 [SPEAKER_00]: It shouldn't.
11:17 --> 11:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I just thought that was a little bit of a funny trend that every day.
11:19 --> 11:21 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like it's it's right at a hundred.
11:21 --> 11:22 [SPEAKER_00]: It's right at one a one and they save it.
11:23 --> 11:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I only give people at least a brief four on one on why we think he's struggling.
11:28 --> 11:32 [SPEAKER_01]: What is the reason that Julio Rodriguez is plummeted to the place he is right now?
11:33 --> 11:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I have all the answers.
11:34 --> 11:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I'm technical enough while watching mechanics of a swing and watching an approach that I think some others would be a little bit better at when it comes to diagnosing exactly what's wrong.
11:44 --> 11:50 [SPEAKER_01]: But it doesn't take a mastermind of mechanics to see that, you know, for the past couple of years, Julio has really struggled to be on time.
11:51 --> 11:58 [SPEAKER_01]: all around the strike zone, especially in on the inner half of the plate, that is I'm going to spot that he's struggled with.
11:58 --> 12:10 [SPEAKER_01]: If you go look on Sivan, you can go look at his like ground ball rate by box like by square on the by square in the strike zone and like the nine quadrant of the strike zone.
12:10 --> 12:22 [SPEAKER_01]: And it highlights a story of that, it seems like almost every place has seen a significant uptick in hitting balls on the ground, then there had been in past years.
12:23 --> 12:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Now I will say this, also with his offense again.
12:26 --> 12:28 [SPEAKER_01]: So he's hitting the ball on the ground about half the time.
12:28 --> 12:29 [SPEAKER_01]: which is not good.
12:29 --> 12:42 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not a ideal way to be successful offensively, but we've talked here on this episode on not on this episode, but on this podcast that it is possible to be successful hitting the ball in the ground a lot.
12:42 --> 12:43 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just cool.
12:43 --> 12:49 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not doing all the other things that is required of you to be super successful while hitting the ball in the ground a lot.
12:49 --> 12:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I have one example for you.
12:51 --> 12:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And his, uh, his look like happens to co-host this podcast with me.
12:55 --> 12:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Christian Yellich leads all of baseball this year in ground ball rate.
12:59 --> 13:00 [SPEAKER_01]: It's nearly at sixty percent loud.
13:00 --> 13:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Could you imagine who the, with a, sixty percent ground ball rate?
13:03 --> 13:04 [SPEAKER_01]: That'll be kind of crazy.
13:05 --> 13:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, Christian Yellich does.
13:06 --> 13:08 [SPEAKER_01]: He has his walks.
13:09 --> 13:11 [SPEAKER_01]: He has a home run to fly ball rate of like, thirty percent.
13:11 --> 13:17 [SPEAKER_01]: So when he's hitting the ball in the air, it's getting hit over the fence, a third of the time that helps make up for some production as well.
13:18 --> 13:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And he does not pop up on the infield.
13:22 --> 13:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you think I was going to say that?
13:23 --> 13:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Who is popping up on the infield over ten percent of the time?
13:27 --> 13:28 [SPEAKER_01]: That's not a good number.
13:29 --> 13:35 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're, if ten percent of your plate appearances or ten percent of your contact ends up with you popping out on the infield,
13:36 --> 13:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Two thumbs down.
13:38 --> 13:38 [SPEAKER_01]: It's an instant out.
13:39 --> 13:40 [SPEAKER_01]: It does bad as a strikeout.
13:42 --> 13:43 [SPEAKER_01]: My clear enough.
13:43 --> 13:44 [SPEAKER_00]: You are very clear.
13:44 --> 13:47 [SPEAKER_01]: You've got to watch it watch on the YouTube to see what I'm doing.
13:47 --> 13:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Two thumbs are down.
13:48 --> 13:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, if you want transparency, I'm a little distracted all of a sudden.
13:51 --> 13:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you still think my lookalike is Christian yellowish?
13:53 --> 13:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Because I get more Aaron judge these days than Christian yellowish.
13:57 --> 13:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I see the judge too.
13:59 --> 14:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe when your hair was longer.
14:01 --> 14:03 [SPEAKER_01]: that it was more yellowish back then.
14:03 --> 14:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Because y'all just longer hair than judge does.
14:05 --> 14:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Judge has your same haircut.
14:08 --> 14:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I can see that.
14:09 --> 14:12 [SPEAKER_01]: The big difference between you and Aaron judge is that you have personality.
14:14 --> 14:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I try.
14:15 --> 14:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, if you ever heard Aaron judge gets super animated about, well, a million different things regarding the Seattle Mariners and scream about it on social media.
14:24 --> 14:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so.
14:25 --> 14:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Have you ever heard Aaron judge do an interview?
14:28 --> 14:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's not great.
14:30 --> 14:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
14:31 --> 14:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I try.
14:32 --> 14:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm for the people.
14:33 --> 14:36 [SPEAKER_00]: If you want to be for the people here in judge, you didn't hit me up.
14:36 --> 14:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll give you some tips.
14:37 --> 14:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm more than happy to give you some tips.
14:38 --> 14:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, yeah, you can't pop up on the end field that often.
14:42 --> 14:48 [SPEAKER_00]: You have got to take those pop ups and square them up and pull them.
14:49 --> 14:53 [SPEAKER_00]: That's, again, it's, it's not enough to be just pot, I mean, shocker.
14:53 --> 14:55 [SPEAKER_00]: It's blanketed obvious statements.
14:55 --> 14:56 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not enough to pop it up on the infield.
14:57 --> 15:02 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, like Julio squared up percentage on so on, so on, for example, sixteen percent.
15:02 --> 15:06 [SPEAKER_00]: And when ten percent of the balls are being popped up on the infield, that would check out.
15:07 --> 15:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And on top of that, if you look at his quality of contact, at least when he struggled last year, his quality of contact was still extremely high.
15:13 --> 15:15 [SPEAKER_01]: He still was making very good contact.
15:16 --> 15:18 [SPEAKER_01]: This is the first season of his career.
15:18 --> 15:21 [SPEAKER_01]: He has had below average quality of contact, which is not great.
15:22 --> 15:24 [SPEAKER_01]: It's when you compile all these things, right?
15:24 --> 15:33 [SPEAKER_01]: That he's not being efficient with his fly balls and hitting home runs, that he's not pulling the ball near by the way, which he is in the bottom of baseball in terms of doing, which is the ideal contact profile.
15:34 --> 15:43 [SPEAKER_01]: When he ends up hitting the ball on the ground so much, when his timing is off all the time, and he's giving free outs to the defense, you have a not very productive offense of player.
15:43 --> 15:48 [SPEAKER_01]: And what Julio's stamped this season on is being ultra aggressive, which can work for some guys.
15:48 --> 15:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Corey Seager is one of the most aggressive guys in baseball, and it works out for him.
15:52 --> 15:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Julio swinging at a ton of first pitches, and sometimes it works.
15:57 --> 15:59 [SPEAKER_01]: But now you see pictures adjusting a little bit.
16:00 --> 16:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And for what Juli was chasing, a little bit, or maybe a byproduct of what he was chasing is that a strikeout rate went down.
16:07 --> 16:10 [SPEAKER_01]: His strikeout rate since June fifteenth is almost thirty percent.
16:10 --> 16:20 [SPEAKER_01]: while walking only four percent of the time, because he's not seeing enough pitches to walk, but he's still chasing a lot to swing and miss, which is led to the high strikeout rate.
16:20 --> 16:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And when you're chasing with percentages aren't going to increase and you're, you know, and you're quality of context, not good.
16:30 --> 16:32 [SPEAKER_01]: There are just a lot of places to get you out.
16:32 --> 16:37 [SPEAKER_01]: And this is so disappointing because Julio's defensive season this year is unbelievable.
16:37 --> 16:39 [SPEAKER_01]: He's been so good out in the outfield.
16:40 --> 16:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll still sit here today and make a case that he could be an all star based off as deep vents in his base running alone.
16:46 --> 16:48 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think I I think it'd be squarely fair.
16:48 --> 16:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it'd be very fair in terms of the voters and my making my case that he deserves to make it based off of that alone because there's not a lot of guys that can do with Julio Rodriguez does.
16:59 --> 17:01 [SPEAKER_01]: But man, it is frustrating to watch him hit.
17:02 --> 17:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Frankly, this simplest way to put it.
17:03 --> 17:04 [SPEAKER_01]: It's frustrating.
17:05 --> 17:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, I think I said, sixteen percent in terms of the squared up percentage.
17:08 --> 17:11 [SPEAKER_00]: He's in the sixteen percent tile, which is very low.
17:12 --> 17:21 [SPEAKER_00]: So when that's happening, and obviously he's still swinging and missing a lot, and plain and simply he's just not hitting the ball as hard this year, that's dropped a ton.
17:22 --> 17:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Even though he has hit balls hard on the ground at times, his overall hard hit rates, very much down.
17:28 --> 17:29 [SPEAKER_00]: You look at it year by year.
17:30 --> 17:34 [SPEAKER_00]: He has been in the, at his best, ninety-fifth percentile in hard hit rate.
17:35 --> 17:36 [SPEAKER_00]: He did that in twenty-two and twenty-three.
17:36 --> 17:39 [SPEAKER_00]: He was essentially in the ninety-fifth percentile last year.
17:39 --> 17:43 [SPEAKER_00]: So even with all the struggles he had in twenty-four, he was still hitting the ball really hard.
17:44 --> 17:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Now he's in the fifty ninth percentile.
17:46 --> 17:48 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just a little bit of bubbly average.
17:48 --> 17:58 [SPEAKER_00]: So a lot of balls on the ground, baseball's not being pulled, hard hit rates are down, not squaring the ball up, hitting pop ups on the infield ten percent of the time.
17:59 --> 18:03 [SPEAKER_00]: This is not a good mix offensively for a successful year.
18:04 --> 18:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, how do the Mariners deal with it?
18:06 --> 18:09 [SPEAKER_01]: So he's struggling hitting in the two-hole of the Mariners line up right now.
18:09 --> 18:12 [SPEAKER_01]: If your Dan Wilson and you off to make the lineup,
18:13 --> 18:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you leave them there?
18:14 --> 18:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you moving them?
18:15 --> 18:17 [SPEAKER_01]: How do you think about fixing this?
18:18 --> 18:18 [SPEAKER_00]: How about this?
18:20 --> 18:21 [SPEAKER_00]: On the road, he stays heading second.
18:22 --> 18:23 [SPEAKER_00]: When he's heading at home,
18:24 --> 18:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Hit him sixth, let it move him down for a little while.
18:27 --> 18:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And you know why I say that?
18:28 --> 18:29 [SPEAKER_00]: You know why I say split it up?
18:30 --> 18:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Because one of the most alarming Julio numbers that I think I've seen, even with all the bad at bald data we've dug up, are as simple numbers at T-Mobile Park.
18:40 --> 18:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Listen to this by year.
18:41 --> 18:43 [SPEAKER_00]: His rookie year at T-Mobile.
18:44 --> 18:44 [SPEAKER_00]: He crushed it.
18:44 --> 18:46 [SPEAKER_00]: His OPS at home was nearly nine hundred.
18:46 --> 18:48 [SPEAKER_00]: To be exact, it was eight ninety two.
18:49 --> 18:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Twenty twenty three it takes a little bit of a drop it goes down to seven eighty five obviously it was more inconsistent that year but it's five weeks in the late July and August were as hot as anybody in baseball.
18:58 --> 19:05 [SPEAKER_00]: So again eight ninety two and twenty two seven eighty five in twenty three again these are his OPS numbers at home.
19:06 --> 19:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Twenty twenty four drops all the way down to six fifty five then you're sitting there saying yeah that's not good that's not good enough when you're playing half your games at home.
19:14 --> 19:16 [SPEAKER_00]: You got to find a way to be more productive than that.
19:17 --> 19:17 [SPEAKER_00]: And now this year.
19:18 --> 19:46 [SPEAKER_00]: sits at five ninety four as we sit here recording he's got a sub six hundred OPS at home like I'll go through it again by year his home OPS eight ninety two seven eighty five six fifty five five ninety four in chronological order of his career so yeah when I say hit him second on the road and hit him six that home why not if he's not hitting as well at home build the lineup that way at home
19:48 --> 19:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Do we think it's the park?
19:50 --> 19:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Because you and I respect the opinions of Luke Arkens a lot.
19:54 --> 19:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And he was trying to talk through this area right here on Twitter.
20:00 --> 20:03 [SPEAKER_01]: And he was thinking that it wasn't the park and I'm kind of with him.
20:03 --> 20:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Like he's shown he could hit in the park.
20:06 --> 20:08 [SPEAKER_00]: He, like, you mentioned the twenty-twenty, didn't it number?
20:08 --> 20:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Eight ninety-two, OPS?
20:09 --> 20:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
20:10 --> 20:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Even in twenty-three, when it's seven eighty-five, because if you have a seven eighty-five OPS at home for the year, and you have an eight fifty OPS on the road, guess what?
20:17 --> 20:26 [SPEAKER_00]: That's still an MVP level season when you factor in Julio's defense, but it can't be six fifty-five, like it was last year, and it surely cannot be five ninety-four.
20:26 --> 20:28 [SPEAKER_01]: And these road numbers, too.
20:30 --> 20:32 [SPEAKER_01]: They probably make people scratch and claw and say, why not?
20:33 --> 20:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Where did this go?
20:35 --> 20:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Is, is Roto PS numbers, eight, twenty, eight, fifty, eight, five, seven, ninety, four.
20:40 --> 20:41 [SPEAKER_01]: They haven't changed.
20:43 --> 20:43 [SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy.
20:44 --> 20:45 [SPEAKER_01]: What happened?
20:46 --> 20:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
20:48 --> 20:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
20:49 --> 20:50 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a good question.
20:51 --> 20:53 [SPEAKER_01]: It could be a tiny bit the ballpark, but.
20:54 --> 20:56 [SPEAKER_00]: But again, the ballpark hasn't changed.
20:57 --> 21:01 [SPEAKER_00]: No, and when the first two years, you didn't have issues with this, it doesn't make a lot of sense.
21:01 --> 21:04 [SPEAKER_00]: If anything, you would think more time in that park would help them.
21:05 --> 21:06 [SPEAKER_01]: You would think.
21:07 --> 21:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Here's my thought on the lineup situation.
21:09 --> 21:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I would not move him down.
21:11 --> 21:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it benefits him to move him down.
21:13 --> 21:18 [SPEAKER_01]: And the Mariners have shown in the past that when they move him down, they haven't committed to it at all.
21:18 --> 21:23 [SPEAKER_01]: The point of moving someone down is to take pressure off of them and leave them there for a few weeks.
21:24 --> 21:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Remember when they moved them down in the lineup last year?
21:27 --> 21:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that lasted about a day.
21:29 --> 21:29 [SPEAKER_01]: One game.
21:30 --> 21:30 [SPEAKER_01]: What's the point?
21:31 --> 21:36 [SPEAKER_01]: What's the point besides probably creating friction between player and coaching staff?
21:38 --> 21:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, but then commit to it for two weeks.
21:40 --> 21:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Leave them in the number place for two weeks when when they have their next stretch of road games after the All Star Break.
21:47 --> 21:50 [SPEAKER_00]: For that road series, hit him six, sorry, sorry, sorry, not road games.
21:50 --> 21:52 [SPEAKER_00]: We said keep him at second on the road.
21:52 --> 22:00 [SPEAKER_00]: When they have their next stretch of home games after the ulcer break, when they play the astros and the brewers, for example, wanting to try a home series with him hitting six.
22:00 --> 22:01 [SPEAKER_00]: See what it does.
22:01 --> 22:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't do it for one game, try it for ten games.
22:04 --> 22:12 [SPEAKER_01]: But what better, here's another thing to think about, what better spot in the lineup could he hit than hitting in front of Cal Raleigh if we're just trying to get him pitches to hit?
22:14 --> 22:31 [SPEAKER_00]: That's fine, and if people feel that way, okay, if you want to just leave them at the number two spot and let them figure it out, I don't have a super strong opinion on where he hits in the lineup, but I'm sitting here saying, if you have to try and fix something and you look toward taking some potential pressure off him,
22:32 --> 22:34 [SPEAKER_00]: than why not at least try it.
22:34 --> 22:37 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not like him hitting second has exactly done wonders for this offense this year.
22:38 --> 22:51 [SPEAKER_01]: It is not, but I'm also thinking of lineup combinations and the the farthest I can justifiably move him down without me raising a eyebrow about this is hitting him fifth, putting Luke Rayley fourth and Randy Rosarina second.
22:52 --> 22:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't make a case to move him down farther.
22:54 --> 22:57 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're moving him down to six, you're putting Jorge Polanco in front of him.
22:57 --> 23:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Placo at a monster home run here on Wednesday, but overall, since April ended, has still not been very good.
23:04 --> 23:09 [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think hitting him fifth makes this offense better anymore, any much more than Julio does.
23:09 --> 23:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, at this rate, if you're going to hit him sixth at home, on days where you're at home, and there's a righty on the mound, which is pretty often.
23:18 --> 23:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Could you hit Cam's own five for a little while and hit Julio six?
23:21 --> 23:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Why not?
23:23 --> 23:23 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
23:24 --> 23:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Why not?
23:25 --> 23:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm astix.
23:26 --> 23:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Optix.
23:28 --> 23:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Dom's hitting really well right now.
23:30 --> 23:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Doesn't seem so crazy.
23:32 --> 23:33 [SPEAKER_00]: But the optics of it are not good.
23:34 --> 23:35 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just a lineup.
23:36 --> 23:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, and they're humans.
23:39 --> 23:43 [SPEAKER_00]: But again, he knows how he's hitting this year.
23:44 --> 23:45 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not the craziest idea.
23:48 --> 23:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I still can't wrap my mind around Dom Kinzone hitting in front of Julio.
23:54 --> 23:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
23:54 --> 23:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you look at the Dom Kinzone hit right behind him.
23:57 --> 23:57 [SPEAKER_01]: That's fine.
23:58 --> 23:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you look at the OPS numbers.
23:59 --> 24:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, I know it's a really small sample for Kinzone and he's going to have more to prove his time goes on.
24:04 --> 24:08 [SPEAKER_00]: But for the time being, what's the crazy thing about riding a hot hand?
24:11 --> 24:16 [SPEAKER_00]: By the way, if you don't like the Kinzone idea, Jorge Polanco over the last few weeks has actually hit a lot better.
24:16 --> 24:17 [SPEAKER_00]: He hit him thin.
24:19 --> 24:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't like I don't know if I like that idea.
24:20 --> 24:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd still put Julio fifth.
24:23 --> 24:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean okay fifth verse six you're just arguing semantics I guess it's fine.
24:27 --> 24:30 [SPEAKER_01]: But I still wouldn't move down from second.
24:30 --> 24:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I like Randy right where he is.
24:33 --> 24:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Could you hit Rayleigh second?
24:34 --> 24:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, but then you go left left left left potentially.
24:41 --> 24:42 [SPEAKER_00]: What cows is a switchheader?
24:42 --> 24:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, cow will switch, yeah.
24:43 --> 24:45 [SPEAKER_01]: But then left left at the top.
24:47 --> 24:47 [SPEAKER_00]: And then it will.
24:47 --> 24:51 [SPEAKER_00]: And then if you put coal, young eight, Williamson nine, you break it up a little bit.
24:51 --> 24:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Then again, you're still fighting lefty pockets when teams deploy their bullpen.
24:55 --> 24:56 [SPEAKER_00]: So maybe that's not a great idea.
24:56 --> 25:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I would rather the opponent pitcher have to throw Julio a strike as cows coming up behind him.
25:01 --> 25:03 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's how he's going to get the pitchers to pull and hit him over the fence.
25:05 --> 25:07 [SPEAKER_01]: But hasn't that been the strategy for months now?
25:10 --> 25:12 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's better than the alternative.
25:14 --> 25:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Unless you hit Randy second.
25:16 --> 25:18 [SPEAKER_01]: But the no one's protecting Julio.
25:20 --> 25:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just trying to think of some benefit, something that will be beneficial for him.
25:25 --> 25:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's that crazy to have the idea.
25:29 --> 25:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, I don't really have a strong opinion on this, but just to play devil's advocate to what you're saying.
25:33 --> 25:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's that crazy to go JP Randy, Cal.
25:40 --> 25:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Rayleigh Palanco, Julio, or even the idea of canzone.
25:44 --> 25:47 [SPEAKER_00]: If you don't want to mess with canzone, you want to leave them in the seven eight area, fine.
25:48 --> 25:50 [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't think hitting Rayleigh fit this crazy.
25:52 --> 25:53 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll suit they do.
25:56 --> 25:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I would be totally fine if they just leave them in the two hole.
26:00 --> 26:02 [SPEAKER_01]: because he's gonna have to figure it out regardless.
26:02 --> 26:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And if he's gonna continue struggling, it's gonna be a hole in the lineup no matter where he hits.
26:07 --> 26:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And they need more offense all around the lineup outside of CalSpot if they're gonna score more runs.
26:13 --> 26:16 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's not just a Julio thing that they're not scoring runs.
26:16 --> 26:18 [SPEAKER_01]: It would help a lot, but it's not just him.
26:20 --> 26:22 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'd say that's the line of question I have.
26:23 --> 26:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Why are people reacting this way?
26:29 --> 26:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I think there's a couple different reasons.
26:31 --> 26:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you want to go first on this or do you have a strong opinion on this?
26:36 --> 26:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Why do I think people are frustrated with Julio?
26:38 --> 26:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's two things.
26:40 --> 26:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I think when you look at someone's offensive statistics deteriorate for four straight seasons, even if they're a twenty four year old, you sit there and you get frustrated because we made the same argument last or you see what you can have.
26:55 --> 26:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Like you've been shown the golden ticket.
26:58 --> 27:03 [SPEAKER_01]: You've been shown, and the golden ticket is slipping away from you at this point.
27:03 --> 27:20 [SPEAKER_01]: It feels like as a fan, you get the golden ticket in a twenty one year old future MVP, Julio Rodriguez, and then you see it take ten percent off his offense production, then ten more percent off his offense of production, and then ten more percent off his offense of production this season.
27:21 --> 27:25 [SPEAKER_01]: And you're like, wait, if you just hit like you did as a rookie, you'd win the MVP.
27:26 --> 27:27 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's not doing that.
27:27 --> 27:31 [SPEAKER_01]: In fact, he looks like he's regressed offensively since his rookie year.
27:31 --> 27:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And people just can't understand why.
27:33 --> 27:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And when you don't have an answer for something, you're going to try and project that energy somewhere else.
27:38 --> 27:41 [SPEAKER_01]: And the energy goes towards Julio Rodriguez as struggles.
27:42 --> 27:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I also think it's because the Mariners just frankly aren't winning enough games that they were in first place.
27:46 --> 27:48 [SPEAKER_01]: No one's complaining this much.
27:49 --> 27:59 [SPEAKER_01]: If they're sitting in first place over the Houston Astros, no one is being like, no one is sending us DMs that Julio should go down to the miners, or that they should trade him.
28:00 --> 28:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Like what ridiculous things, it's where you're going to project your frustrations for the team onto Julio Rodriguez, I think.
28:10 --> 28:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think you have something similar to say about that, but mine just simply comes down to wins and losses.
28:16 --> 28:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And when they don't win enough games, trying to find someone to blame for it.
28:21 --> 28:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the contract plays into it too.
28:23 --> 28:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the fact that he signed a lucrative deal, you made the comparison before we hit record to essentially signing a big free agent where it's not, he wasn't a free agent, but you give him free agent type money and you're expecting moving forward, you're getting the bang for your buck.
28:40 --> 28:44 [SPEAKER_00]: And while you're getting it defensively and on the basis by every stretch,
28:45 --> 28:47 [SPEAKER_00]: at the plate you're not, and I think that has people frustrated too.
28:47 --> 28:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Like we weren't in the Rangers fan base the year after Marcus Simian signed.
28:52 --> 28:53 [SPEAKER_01]: We really wanted him in Seattle.
28:53 --> 28:54 [SPEAKER_01]: What have been the perfect fit?
28:55 --> 28:58 [SPEAKER_01]: You remember how bad he was though at the start of that contract.
28:58 --> 28:59 [SPEAKER_01]: He was atrocious.
28:59 --> 29:05 [SPEAKER_01]: He was like one of the worst haters in all of baseball for the first half of the season.
29:05 --> 29:08 [SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, we're looking at the first half of Julio season this year.
29:09 --> 29:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And could you imagine what the reaction was for Semiyan in that case?
29:13 --> 29:16 [SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of similar for Julio, right?
29:16 --> 29:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And Semiyan hasn't been on, he's had the one really good year when they won the World Series.
29:21 --> 29:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise, as a Ranger, he's been fine.
29:25 --> 29:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I think they paid him a lot of money.
29:27 --> 29:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's the key.
29:28 --> 29:29 [SPEAKER_00]: You just hit on it.
29:29 --> 29:31 [SPEAKER_00]: He was really good, and it won them a World Series.
29:32 --> 29:36 [SPEAKER_01]: It, the Mariners won a world series in twenty twenty two, perhaps the Sorghuman is totally different.
29:36 --> 29:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Because, honestly, is the production like all that much different, right?
29:41 --> 29:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Between Julio and semi-an offensively.
29:43 --> 29:49 [SPEAKER_01]: So we talk about semi-an's free agent contract, and we talk about Julio's production since signing that deal.
29:49 --> 29:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's not that different.
29:55 --> 29:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I would say that the contract absolutely plays a factor.
29:58 --> 29:59 [SPEAKER_00]: And again, like,
30:00 --> 30:01 [SPEAKER_00]: can't blame Julio for that.
30:01 --> 30:02 [SPEAKER_00]: What are you going to do?
30:02 --> 30:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, you had a great rookie year.
30:03 --> 30:06 [SPEAKER_00]: This life-changing deal gets put in front of you.
30:06 --> 30:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Every single person on earth would say yes to that contract.
30:09 --> 30:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Of course they would.
30:10 --> 30:16 [SPEAKER_00]: That's why, look, when I dive into this, I think you're absolutely right about the winning games part of it.
30:16 --> 30:21 [SPEAKER_00]: And then if the Mariners were five games up in the AL West right now, the conversation wouldn't be
30:23 --> 30:26 [SPEAKER_00]: send Julio to the miners like some of these crazy DMs we're getting.
30:26 --> 30:38 [SPEAKER_00]: The conversation would more be the Mariners are five up in the ALS and Julio Rodriguez still hasn't hit his hot streak yet this year which he hasn't and he usually has won every year and I think we still expect it's coming at some point.
30:39 --> 30:46 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think more of the conversation would be around that, then so much lashing out at the player himself.
30:46 --> 30:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Is that fair?
30:47 --> 30:48 [SPEAKER_00]: That is, yeah.
30:48 --> 30:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
30:49 --> 30:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
30:50 --> 30:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Here's what I would more get to.
30:51 --> 30:53 [SPEAKER_00]: And I ask people this question.
30:53 --> 31:09 [SPEAKER_00]: So when I propose this out there, if you're somebody listening to this or watching this, that has been extremely frustrated with the way Julio's hit this year, and you are genuinely angry about it, let me ask you this.
31:11 --> 31:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Is it all Julio, you're mad about and mad at?
31:14 --> 31:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Because I'll preface it with this.
31:16 --> 31:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Of course, some of this goes on him.
31:19 --> 31:20 [SPEAKER_00]: In four years, he hasn't progressed.
31:20 --> 31:22 [SPEAKER_00]: He's regressed offensively.
31:22 --> 31:25 [SPEAKER_00]: And he doesn't look like the same guy that he wasn't his rookie year anymore.
31:25 --> 31:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And some of that is on him.
31:26 --> 31:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Some of that is that he hasn't adjusted
31:29 --> 31:57 [SPEAKER_00]: quick enough compared to some other players like Bobby Wood has or like in twenty four how gunner Henderson has and I understand why that's frustrating so it's not like none of this goes on him if some of the blame is directed toward him and wanting to see more from him that's warranted but if if your view of it is less that and and of the mindset of I am frustrated because I want to see more from Julio and it is genuine and it is genuine anger let me ask you this
31:58 --> 31:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Are you really mad at Julio?
32:00 --> 32:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Or is there a deeper meaning to this?
32:01 --> 32:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Here's what I mean.
32:04 --> 32:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Is some of that course in Bahá?
32:07 --> 32:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't even think it is.
32:08 --> 32:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it partly is, but I don't think this idea is that crazy.
32:12 --> 32:14 [SPEAKER_00]: If you want me to put on the mic, course in Bahá, fine.
32:15 --> 32:17 [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't think this is that crazy.
32:17 --> 32:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Is this all about Julio?
32:19 --> 32:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Or is some of this about that you're mad at the organization?
32:21 --> 32:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Which is a pretty common theme of this fan base these days?
32:24 --> 32:25 [SPEAKER_00]: And here's what I mean.
32:27 --> 32:32 [SPEAKER_00]: The organization, obviously, has not done enough in the office.
32:32 --> 32:34 [SPEAKER_00]: We've talked about that at nausea.
32:34 --> 32:35 [SPEAKER_00]: They didn't do enough.
32:36 --> 32:43 [SPEAKER_00]: But the messaging they've put out there about Julio sets people's expectations to a certain level.
32:43 --> 32:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Julio's play is set expectations as well.
32:45 --> 32:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't get me wrong.
32:47 --> 33:00 [SPEAKER_00]: But when you have the organization sitting there and he was propped up as the Messiah when he was coming up through the minors and he was the guy that was going to genuinely save this franchise and turn them for the good for the better.
33:00 --> 33:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Never look back at what the mid to late two thousand were what the early twenty ten's were like that's all gone even the even the perpetual mediocrity through the mid twenty ten's in late twenty ten's.
33:11 --> 33:13 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners said like that's all gone when this guy gets here.
33:14 --> 33:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Essentially he is going to be the guy that changes his franchise.
33:17 --> 33:21 [SPEAKER_00]: And the money they gave him contract wise reflects that in their opinion.
33:22 --> 33:31 [SPEAKER_00]: So is that part of it the messaging and the Mariners telling you that he was going to be something above and beyond what he's been?
33:32 --> 33:37 [SPEAKER_00]: So like there's part of it paired with this right now tying this back to the whole offseason thing.
33:38 --> 33:41 [SPEAKER_00]: It'd be one thing if the Mariners didn't go out and make moves.
33:41 --> 33:43 [SPEAKER_00]: They said there were guys that were interested in.
33:44 --> 33:47 [SPEAKER_00]: They couldn't quite close the deal, but now they're going to run with the roster that they have.
33:48 --> 33:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure that would still frustrate people because ultimately deals were not closed.
33:54 --> 34:04 [SPEAKER_00]: But when you have Jerry DiPoto sitting there and saying, we don't have many holes to fill and our offense, you know, there's a perception and reality of our offense and through all that.
34:04 --> 34:09 [SPEAKER_00]: They continue to beat the narrative into the ground of when Julio Rodriguez is great.
34:10 --> 34:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Our offense is really good and our team doesn't have issues.
34:13 --> 34:16 [SPEAKER_00]: They have talked about that a lot for years now.
34:16 --> 34:17 [SPEAKER_00]: They did it in twenty three.
34:17 --> 34:18 [SPEAKER_00]: They did it in twenty four.
34:19 --> 34:20 [SPEAKER_00]: They did it going into twenty five.
34:20 --> 34:21 [SPEAKER_00]: They say when Julio's great.
34:22 --> 34:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Our offense is good and we don't have problems with the roster.
34:26 --> 34:32 [SPEAKER_00]: And fans are sitting there wanting to shake somebody and saying, why do we keep being told we're crazy?
34:32 --> 34:38 [SPEAKER_00]: We've watched this three years in a row now where for four months of the year, he's not consistently great.
34:38 --> 34:40 [SPEAKER_00]: He gets hot for a hot stretch.
34:40 --> 34:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And then the rest of the year, he's a league average to below league average that.
34:44 --> 34:47 [SPEAKER_00]: And you're sitting there saying, why are you continuing to tell us this?
34:47 --> 34:48 [SPEAKER_00]: We're watching it with our own eyes.
34:49 --> 34:56 [SPEAKER_00]: He is not consistently great, so why do you keep telling us we don't have to do anything because when he's great, our team has no issues.
34:56 --> 35:06 [SPEAKER_00]: So when you hear all that, like do you think maybe as a result, Julio has become the front man of some of this, because his frustrated as you may be with Julio's play.
35:07 --> 35:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Like obviously, like the guys going out there and trying is best to help the team win, even if he's not doing it to the maximum of his potential.
35:15 --> 35:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Is there a deeper meaning behind this?
35:17 --> 35:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Is there something more deeply rooted than you just being frustrated at Julio?
35:22 --> 35:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Because if I had to guess somewhere deep down whether fans realize it or not, there's something about all the messaging of Julio Rodriguez that's rubbed them the wrong way too.
35:30 --> 35:31 [SPEAKER_00]: That is nothing to do with Julio the player.
35:35 --> 35:37 [SPEAKER_01]: was the org not supposed to message him that way.
35:39 --> 35:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm more mean if they look, you're not supposed to, they're not going to talk down on a player.
35:44 --> 35:45 [SPEAKER_00]: That's not what I mean.
35:45 --> 35:47 [SPEAKER_00]: But you come in, exactly.
35:47 --> 35:55 [SPEAKER_00]: But what I'm more mean is if you're talking about your roster and you say, look, Julio is one of the best defensive centerfielders in the game.
35:55 --> 36:00 [SPEAKER_00]: He accumulates significant value every year from the overall package that he brings.
36:00 --> 36:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's pretty generic.
36:01 --> 36:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, that factors and defense have factors in speed.
36:04 --> 36:08 [SPEAKER_00]: And you say he is going to be a contributing piece of our roster for a long time.
36:09 --> 36:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Like if that's what you're saying about Julio, there's nothing wrong with that.
36:12 --> 36:13 [SPEAKER_00]: That's factual.
36:13 --> 36:16 [SPEAKER_00]: But we're not giving someone two hundred nine million dollars to say that.
36:17 --> 36:17 [SPEAKER_00]: No, you're not.
36:18 --> 36:20 [SPEAKER_00]: So the contract plays the factor.
36:21 --> 36:25 [SPEAKER_00]: And then again, when you say, well, we know he can be great.
36:26 --> 36:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And when he's great, our rosters really good.
36:28 --> 36:30 [SPEAKER_00]: And because of that, we don't have to do anything else.
36:31 --> 36:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, I think it drives fans insane.
36:33 --> 36:37 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, again, the shaking people awake thing, saying, like, why are you telling us this?
36:37 --> 36:38 [SPEAKER_00]: We're watching.
36:38 --> 36:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And every year, it's like, for three years now, it's the same thing over and over, where for the majority of the season, Julio is not the player offensively that you're talking him up to be.
36:47 --> 36:53 [SPEAKER_00]: But they message him differently than what the actual on-field offensive play has resulted in.
36:55 --> 37:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, they're going to keep saying that because they invested the money in it and if they don't say that, then they admit they're wrong and they can't do that.
37:03 --> 37:07 [SPEAKER_00]: But like why can't they just change their messaging a little bit?
37:07 --> 37:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Because he has a two hundred nine million dollar contract.
37:10 --> 37:13 [SPEAKER_00]: That's fine, and his contract is not a bad contract by any means.
37:13 --> 37:18 [SPEAKER_00]: When you factor in everything he does defensively and on the base pads, he is worth that contract.
37:18 --> 37:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I am just saying, why can't you talk about him as this premier defensive center fielder that is a high value accumulator, but you don't have to
37:28 --> 37:33 [SPEAKER_00]: you don't have to like blow his his offensive potential.
37:33 --> 37:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, sorry, he obviously has great offensive potential.
37:35 --> 37:43 [SPEAKER_00]: But you don't have to like go crazy with the statements you make about him and say, again, we don't have to do anything because when he's great, our team's really good.
37:44 --> 37:46 [SPEAKER_01]: They might change their tone now because of cow.
37:47 --> 37:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Certainly helps.
37:49 --> 37:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I do think it really, because you were like diving into specifics there.
37:52 --> 37:56 [SPEAKER_01]: All of what you just said comes back to them, not winning enough games.
37:58 --> 38:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Remember what we talked about the Marcus Semion.
38:00 --> 38:01 [SPEAKER_01]: They won a world series.
38:02 --> 38:03 [SPEAKER_01]: So no one cares.
38:04 --> 38:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
38:04 --> 38:18 [SPEAKER_01]: So, doesn't matter what the off-season's like, doesn't matter, like, what kind of stretches we're talking about with Hulu, doesn't matter how good he's on defense, doesn't matter about the incentives in his contract and how much he gets up to, it matters how much you win games, yes or no.
38:18 --> 38:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you winning enough games?
38:19 --> 38:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, everyone's happy.
38:21 --> 38:25 [SPEAKER_01]: No, need to find a way to be mad about not winning enough games.
38:25 --> 38:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And the guy they spent the most money on on this roster is the one who gets the blame.
38:30 --> 38:32 [SPEAKER_00]: And again, some of this is on him.
38:32 --> 38:33 [SPEAKER_00]: He just has to play better.
38:33 --> 38:34 [SPEAKER_00]: He just has to hit better.
38:35 --> 38:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying the animosity's gotten so crazy at this point that I just have a hard time believing this is one hundred percent all about the player himself and nothing else.
38:48 --> 38:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I think there's a deeper rooted meaning behind all of this crazy anger in the fan base because it's gotten really crazy.
38:53 --> 39:01 [SPEAKER_01]: You can talk about the process of all that because it's like, okay, maybe your process of giving him two hundred nine million dollars was wrong.
39:02 --> 39:03 [SPEAKER_01]: You might have paid the wrong guy.
39:03 --> 39:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Or it's like we can't go.
39:06 --> 39:13 [SPEAKER_01]: We can't go make our roster better, which by the way, Julio would still be under contract this year and would for two more years if they had not.
39:14 --> 39:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Not even in that big contract, and they could have gone out and they could have signed someone else.
39:18 --> 39:19 [SPEAKER_01]: They made a roster better.
39:20 --> 39:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know about paying the wrong guy more than potentially paying him too early.
39:24 --> 39:26 [SPEAKER_00]: We're paying him too much.
39:28 --> 39:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
39:29 --> 39:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, even though he liked the values fine, you're right.
39:31 --> 39:37 [SPEAKER_01]: But if they knew in year four, he was going to be a defensive first center fielder, he's not getting two hundred and nine million dollars.
39:38 --> 39:41 [SPEAKER_00]: No, and again, the combat views for Julio.
39:41 --> 39:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I mentioned it once to HEMBO.
39:42 --> 39:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I've been a little hesitant to use it on the podcast at this point, but you and I've talked about it plenty off the air.
39:48 --> 39:52 [SPEAKER_00]: And this is who I view Julio as at this point if you want to make a player comp.
39:53 --> 39:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I've been down to the ton, but I'll put it out there for people.
39:56 --> 39:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I think Julio at this point is essentially Adam Jones with better defense.
40:00 --> 40:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's who he is a player.
40:01 --> 40:03 [SPEAKER_00]: He's Adam Jones with better defense.
40:03 --> 40:05 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's not a knock on Julio Rodriguez.
40:06 --> 40:08 [SPEAKER_00]: That's saying you're a player that's going to play great defense.
40:08 --> 40:09 [SPEAKER_00]: You're really good athlete.
40:09 --> 40:11 [SPEAKER_00]: You're going to provide value to the team.
40:11 --> 40:13 [SPEAKER_00]: And you're going to make a few all star games in your career.
40:14 --> 40:16 [SPEAKER_00]: But you're just not
40:18 --> 40:24 [SPEAKER_00]: in this inner circle of one of the games five to seven best players that we thought you may be during your first season.
40:25 --> 40:26 [SPEAKER_00]: That just might not be who he is.
40:26 --> 40:33 [SPEAKER_00]: If he is Adam Jones with really good defense for the next decade, he is a very, very high contributing player to the roster every year.
40:33 --> 40:36 [SPEAKER_00]: He is one of the best players on the roster every year.
40:36 --> 40:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Some years he'll be the best player, but I think if people could accept that that's what he is and
40:46 --> 40:55 [SPEAKER_00]: It's hard to let go of what you've seen with your own eyes, but if people could just shift their perspective on them a little bit and say, this is who we're going to view him as moving forward.
40:56 --> 40:58 [SPEAKER_00]: We're not going to view him as the guy who he wasn't his rookie year.
40:59 --> 41:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I think people would have an easier time digesting Julio Rodriguez's game, but people are still really hanging on to what they saw in twenty two.
41:09 --> 41:14 [SPEAKER_01]: So if any of you guys listening, have any comments on this, please feel free to send us a DM, leave us comments, send us an email.
41:15 --> 41:33 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of layers to this Julio Rodriguez discussion that I don't think we can get all into today, but it is always a good discussion to talk about in the, in summary, for the final two and a half months of the season, I want Julio Rodriguez to crush it and this team to go make the playoffs because it'll be a big help if he, if he does do that and he's shown it, you can do it in the past.
41:33 --> 41:34 [SPEAKER_01]: So again,
41:35 --> 41:36 [SPEAKER_01]: It is up with your thoughts on Julio.
41:36 --> 41:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I think you really appreciate it.
41:38 --> 41:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's get to this mailback.
41:39 --> 41:41 [SPEAKER_01]: We have a lot of mailback questions to get to.
41:42 --> 41:43 [SPEAKER_01]: So let's start on Patreon.
41:43 --> 41:48 [SPEAKER_01]: And Corey sends us, uh, sends us a question on Patreon.
41:48 --> 41:50 [SPEAKER_01]: And Corey's message is about Ronald Econia.
41:51 --> 41:57 [SPEAKER_01]: And he, you know, lists off some of his concerns and the pros and cons of trading for a star of that big.
41:57 --> 42:03 [SPEAKER_01]: So his question is, uh, would you guys empty the farm for a perennial MVP candidate, not naming who new specifically?
42:04 --> 42:09 [SPEAKER_01]: who has over three years of control even if it means giving up many top prospects why or why not.
42:09 --> 42:14 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, yeah, let's let's see if we can rip through some of these mailbag questions to Corey's.
42:15 --> 42:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes, you would give prospects up for perennial MVP candidate and we've talked about it a lot now over the last few shows, especially with all the Acunia discourse that's gone on, but
42:25 --> 42:39 [SPEAKER_00]: If you have a chance to trade for a perennial MVP candidate, with as much control as Acunia has, you do it every time, because you don't know if all those prospects combined will accumulate, there we go.
42:39 --> 42:40 [SPEAKER_00]: The value of Ronald Acunia.
42:41 --> 42:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Ronald Acunia is that guy, and he's not making that much money.
42:44 --> 42:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, if this question was, would you sell the farm for half a year or somebody?
42:47 --> 42:48 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a different conversation.
42:49 --> 42:52 [SPEAKER_00]: But when you get four chances at a playoff run with Acunia, yeah, you do it.
42:53 --> 43:22 [SPEAKER_01]: and Corey mentions like do mariner fans remember former top blue chip prospects that were rated very similarly to some of the guys from the current mariner's organization just and actually haze you spent here this one's going to hurt while Jared Kellenick yeah you can use a pitching example if you want Taiwan Walker Taiwan's carved out a good career but not like a star by any means that's what i mean so it for example if
43:23 --> 43:30 [SPEAKER_00]: One of these Mariners prospects were to carve out a career offensively like Taiwan Walker had as a pitcher.
43:31 --> 43:31 [SPEAKER_00]: You're right.
43:31 --> 43:32 [SPEAKER_00]: That is a good career.
43:32 --> 43:34 [SPEAKER_00]: You might make an all star gamer too.
43:34 --> 43:35 [SPEAKER_00]: That's not Ronald Icunia.
43:35 --> 43:36 [SPEAKER_00]: He's just not.
43:37 --> 43:38 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
43:38 --> 43:40 [SPEAKER_01]: So in summary, yes, you would do it.
43:40 --> 43:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And as I keep hammering home, Corina, and I want to make this clear to you and to make this clear to all the listeners as well.
43:46 --> 43:52 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners have so many prospects, so many top one hundred prospects.
43:53 --> 43:58 [SPEAKER_01]: And four days from now recording, they will add at least two more.
43:59 --> 44:02 [SPEAKER_01]: That will give them eleven if they don't make a trade before the draft.
44:03 --> 44:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, pretty bonkers.
44:04 --> 44:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you can guarantee the thirty-fifth pick will be a top-a-hundred guy, but if you want to go off the Mariners history of drafting, sure, then he will.
44:12 --> 44:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but exactly like if you're gonna take a couple guys in this draft that replenish the farm even more Yeah, and like it gives you opportunities to make trades It could even be next offices and look I hope they make moves at the deadline But we've talked about the idea of Luis Castillo getting traded once January first comes right and his no trade clause goes up Well first off he's having a really good year so he made up some of his value in a trade But if you were to package Luis Castillo with
44:40 --> 44:42 [SPEAKER_00]: a couple of real prospects and you got a haul back.
44:43 --> 44:45 [SPEAKER_00]: You still have prospects there to replenish.
44:46 --> 44:50 [SPEAKER_00]: You could get a blue chip level player back if you really attach some high prospects to the lease.
44:51 --> 44:55 [SPEAKER_00]: And let's say you take Kate Anderson at three in a few days here.
44:56 --> 44:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, guess what, Kate Anderson might be in the big leagues by this time next year.
44:59 --> 45:04 [SPEAKER_00]: So we're placing the leasecast deal in the rotation potentially wouldn't take that long.
45:06 --> 45:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Good question, Corey, though, appreciate, appreciate the thought.
45:08 --> 45:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I've loved how much run this Akunia topic has gone.
45:11 --> 45:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's gone all over the place.
45:13 --> 45:14 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what?
45:14 --> 45:23 [SPEAKER_00]: And Jim Bowden tweeted out here on Wednesday night saying the braves have shut this idea down despite all the, all the, all the, all the, all the, all the media's rumbling about it.
45:23 --> 45:24 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not true.
45:24 --> 45:25 [SPEAKER_00]: They're not listening to offers.
45:25 --> 45:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Guess what?
45:27 --> 45:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't care.
45:27 --> 45:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll keep hammering at home.
45:28 --> 45:30 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what wasn't being talked about in the media?
45:30 --> 45:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Or I'll be able to ever straight.
45:31 --> 45:32 [SPEAKER_00]: And then it happened.
45:34 --> 45:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Shout out, Jade's man.
45:34 --> 45:36 [SPEAKER_01]: He has started a movement.
45:37 --> 45:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, Jade, Joel Sherman, and then every single like outlet that talks about the Mariners has talked about Akunia, us included.
45:47 --> 45:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I've done it on Brock and saw plenty along with everybody on that show with Brock and saw and more like we've talked about it for days.
45:52 --> 45:53 [SPEAKER_01]: All in for it.
45:53 --> 45:54 [SPEAKER_00]: He's all in.
45:54 --> 45:55 [SPEAKER_00]: We've talked about it for days.
45:56 --> 46:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, oh, I'm sulking I, by the way, are on the same, well, all three of us should say are on the same page about the whole pregnant thing.
46:04 --> 46:11 [SPEAKER_00]: In fact, somebody texted in here on Wednesday and said, sulking I should be kicked off the air for a few days because we want Alex pregnant.
46:11 --> 46:12 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, that's good.
46:16 --> 46:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Alright, here, let's get to our second male bad question here in a second.
46:19 --> 46:21 [SPEAKER_00]: But for that, let's just take a quick pause.
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47:08 --> 47:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Second male bad question.
47:09 --> 47:10 [SPEAKER_00]: This comes from Nick.
47:10 --> 47:11 [SPEAKER_00]: He's also on Patreon.
47:11 --> 47:18 [SPEAKER_00]: And he says about one year into the Dan Wilson era, because he started taking over as the manager in late August the last year.
47:18 --> 47:19 [SPEAKER_00]: So roughly a year.
47:21 --> 47:23 [SPEAKER_00]: which vibe is stronger about Dan Wilson as a manager.
47:24 --> 47:30 [SPEAKER_00]: The Dan will become Oakland, A's version of Tony Larissa, or Chicago Whitezox version of Tony Larissa.
47:32 --> 47:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I love the ultimate of this question.
47:35 --> 47:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Love it.
47:36 --> 47:37 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no in between here.
47:38 --> 47:41 [SPEAKER_01]: If I'm gonna pick one vibe, I would say the vibe is number two.
47:42 --> 47:48 [SPEAKER_01]: But that's not to say one is unreachable.
47:48 --> 47:50 [SPEAKER_01]: We just don't know that much about Dan Wilson as a manager.
47:51 --> 47:52 [SPEAKER_01]: He hasn't even managed two hundred games.
47:53 --> 47:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you know?
47:54 --> 47:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll use Tony as an example.
47:57 --> 48:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll use the best manager emeritus history loop now as an example.
48:01 --> 48:05 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't look each of them multiple seasons aka more than three to one ninety games.
48:07 --> 48:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Which makes sense although
48:11 --> 48:15 [SPEAKER_00]: At least with Lou, he didn't exactly start with a super talented team.
48:15 --> 48:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Lou started more with a roster that was building its way up, and then they got good.
48:19 --> 48:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Like Dan Wilson inherited a roster that's supposed to be winning.
48:22 --> 48:23 [SPEAKER_00]: So just to play Devil's Advocate to that.
48:25 --> 48:31 [SPEAKER_01]: That's fair, but we've also talked a lot about how much less managers matter nowadays.
48:32 --> 48:37 [SPEAKER_01]: So like the decision making when he gets to game eight hundred could be a lot better now.
48:37 --> 48:39 [SPEAKER_01]: They need better decision making in game two hundred.
48:40 --> 48:47 [SPEAKER_01]: But if it takes eight hundred games for the decision making to iron itself out and he looks like a seasoned veteran manager.
48:48 --> 48:52 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not out of the question to say a guy can't get up to that number one status.
48:53 --> 48:56 [SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to match a Hall of Famer, but more in that direction.
48:56 --> 49:00 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not impossible, but also by
49:04 --> 49:08 [SPEAKER_00]: not even doing a search for another manager making him the permanent guy and just running with it.
49:09 --> 49:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Doesn't that essentially signal that you don't think he needs time to learn and grow that he should just figure it out, especially when you pair the idea by saying managers don't do all that much in today's game.
49:22 --> 49:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying the standard we hold him to because of the situation.
49:27 --> 49:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just talking about in a vacuum.
49:29 --> 49:29 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
49:29 --> 49:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying I think there's other things or something to do.
49:31 --> 49:37 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's also you very well know there's a difference between internal message and external message on this hiring.
49:39 --> 49:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, of course there is the external message was something else and that's not a Dan Wilson thing.
49:46 --> 49:48 [SPEAKER_00]: That's that goes higher than that.
49:48 --> 49:50 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a smart people in the mayor's organization.
49:50 --> 49:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you really think when they they hire Dan Wilson they said, yeah, he's going to know everything right away.
49:56 --> 50:00 [SPEAKER_00]: No, but that's what they decided to tell their fans.
50:00 --> 50:01 [SPEAKER_00]: So, exactly.
50:02 --> 50:02 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
50:03 --> 50:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, yes, obviously you don't know who a guy is going to be not even two hundred games into his managerial career, but I'm like TJ, if you have to pick one, you pick White Sox, Tony LaRusza, because again, to be Oakland A is Tony LaRusza, you're going to be one of the best managers ever.
50:17 --> 50:18 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a pretty high standard.
50:20 --> 50:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Before we get to our next meal bad question, I would like to remind people as Lao mentioned in the intro.
50:24 --> 50:28 [SPEAKER_01]: We do have a date for our next live show Friday, July, a team.
50:28 --> 50:33 [SPEAKER_01]: It will be the after the first game after the All Star Break after the Astros game.
50:33 --> 50:36 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to be at the Hall on Oxeno post game.
50:36 --> 50:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Should get started.
50:37 --> 50:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, nine, nine, thirty depending on when people show up really.
50:42 --> 50:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't put a time on that because you don't know if the games are going to go two hours or four hours.
50:47 --> 50:50 [SPEAKER_01]: And, uh, and there's fireworks after that game, by the way.
50:50 --> 50:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, good.
50:51 --> 50:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you knew that.
50:52 --> 50:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, good.
50:53 --> 50:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that means everyone will be in a festive atmosphere, and they want to come drink with us at the Hall of Noxidental.
50:58 --> 51:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Sounds like we'll have a little set up outside.
51:00 --> 51:01 [SPEAKER_01]: That should be fun.
51:01 --> 51:03 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll have some people coming in off the street.
51:03 --> 51:04 [SPEAKER_01]: This will be our first
51:05 --> 51:09 [SPEAKER_01]: In our, I guess, during on a game day show, which will be very fun and very exciting.
51:09 --> 51:13 [SPEAKER_01]: So we'll let you guys know more details when we get informed on that.
51:13 --> 51:14 [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be super fun.
51:14 --> 51:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Hope to have you guys out.
51:15 --> 51:23 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're there at the game on Friday and you want to come hang out with us, ask us some questions, talk ball, predict some trade deadline stuff.
51:23 --> 51:26 [SPEAKER_01]: It'll be an awesome fun time at the hall on Occidental.
51:26 --> 51:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let me say a couple other things about the live show.
51:28 --> 51:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's roughly call the start time of it.
51:31 --> 51:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Thirty minutes after the final out, roughly.
51:34 --> 51:47 [SPEAKER_00]: We can call it that you can you can show up whenever you want because TJ and I am sure will be there and and get ready to go but you can show up like again I would roughly estimate it to being thirty minutes ish after the final out especially with the fireworks so
51:48 --> 51:49 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll say that.
51:49 --> 51:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, we do think it's going to be outside, which should be extremely fun.
51:52 --> 51:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Because again, you could walk right on oxen.
51:54 --> 51:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll see us just hanging out and make your way over.
51:57 --> 51:58 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll be hanging out outside.
51:58 --> 51:59 [SPEAKER_00]: The weather should be great.
51:59 --> 52:00 [SPEAKER_00]: It'll be a Friday night.
52:00 --> 52:00 [SPEAKER_00]: It'll be fun.
52:01 --> 52:03 [SPEAKER_00]: And I do want to hammer this home since we'll be outside.
52:04 --> 52:07 [SPEAKER_00]: This format's going to be a little bit different than the ones we've done in the past.
52:07 --> 52:10 [SPEAKER_00]: So obviously, the first few we've done, we've set up on stage.
52:10 --> 52:11 [SPEAKER_00]: We've talked in front of everybody.
52:11 --> 52:12 [SPEAKER_00]: We've taken questions.
52:13 --> 52:20 [SPEAKER_00]: We're still gonna talk ball with everybody and take questions and give out some really cool corona stuff, but it's gonna be more informal.
52:20 --> 52:23 [SPEAKER_00]: This one's gonna be more, we're just gonna stand around with everybody.
52:24 --> 52:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure there'll be a boot set up or a table where we'll stand at, sit at.
52:28 --> 52:34 [SPEAKER_00]: But instead of really like performing, I guess, we'll just hang out with everybody, talk baseball and talk mariners.
52:34 --> 52:37 [SPEAKER_00]: And like you said, throw out your trade deadline ideas with us and have some drinks with us.
52:37 --> 52:40 [SPEAKER_00]: It'll be, it'll be cool, just be like hanging out at the bar after the game.
52:40 --> 52:41 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what we'll be doing.
52:42 --> 52:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's get to our next mailbag question.
52:44 --> 52:54 [SPEAKER_01]: This comes from Michael on Patreon and Michael's question is, what are some of the strategies that a home run Derby contestant has used in the past to win the home run Derby?
52:55 --> 52:56 [SPEAKER_01]: What would you recommend to Cal?
52:58 --> 53:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I love the idea of hitting from both sides like Adley Rushman did and we talked to Cal a little bit about this last week when we were at the park.
53:06 --> 53:08 [SPEAKER_00]: He was hitting from both sides and
53:10 --> 53:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, we don't know exactly what he's going to do during the Derby yet, but he was practicing like he plans to hit from both sides.
53:17 --> 53:39 [SPEAKER_00]: So maybe that'll help us stamina a little bit, but I'd say the best strategy is understanding you're getting it tired because everybody does and hope you go up against a contestant that has a bad round because if you go up against a contestant that has a bad round, hit something like eight to ten homers and you go second and you don't have to swing for the full five minutes or four minutes, you could just hit
53:39 --> 53:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Eleven homers and be done.
53:40 --> 53:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, do that.
53:42 --> 53:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Get lucky.
53:44 --> 53:45 [SPEAKER_01]: You also need a good BP thrower.
53:45 --> 53:47 [SPEAKER_01]: If you have a bad BP thrower, you've already lost.
53:48 --> 53:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know who's in the Hall of Fame.
53:51 --> 53:56 [SPEAKER_00]: The inner circle of not the top spot in the Hall of Fame of Homer and Derby batting practice throwers, right?
53:57 --> 53:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Tulios.
53:58 --> 53:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Tulios guy.
53:59 --> 54:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to get his name right.
54:00 --> 54:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I think his name is Franny Pania.
54:02 --> 54:03 [SPEAKER_00]: If I have that right.
54:03 --> 54:08 [SPEAKER_00]: And that dude, dude, if I took batting practice from that guy, I think I'm putting one out of team, I will park.
54:10 --> 54:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I need a metal bat, I'll say that.
54:11 --> 54:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I could do with a wood bat, but with a metal bat, if I'm taking batting practice for four to five minutes and getting that many pitches from Julio's guy, I bet I can put one out of team old.
54:21 --> 54:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I also don't know if there's a way to not get tired because like everyone has to swing and you think, okay, is there a way to preserve your energy?
54:29 --> 54:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, if you're swinging the entire time,
54:31 --> 54:34 [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to be probably roughly as tired as everyone else.
54:34 --> 54:40 [SPEAKER_01]: And if you have less homeruns and don't swing to save your energy, you're just giving yourself a disadvantage.
54:40 --> 54:42 [SPEAKER_01]: And now you're getting as many homeruns.
54:42 --> 54:43 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I said.
54:43 --> 54:43 [SPEAKER_00]: You're getting a tire.
54:44 --> 54:45 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just inevitable.
54:46 --> 54:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
54:46 --> 54:48 [SPEAKER_01]: So you've got to, you've got to bulldog your way through it.
54:48 --> 54:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Luckily for cow, he's tired all the time because he catches every single day and carries this offense on his back.
54:53 --> 54:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Perfect.
54:55 --> 55:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, Cal, don't you worry, we will be inside true as park in Atlanta, rooting our asses off for you to win that derby, which by the way, that's not a lie.
55:04 --> 55:06 [SPEAKER_00]: TJ and I will be out at all star week in Atlanta.
55:06 --> 55:06 [SPEAKER_00]: We can't wait to get there.
55:07 --> 55:13 [SPEAKER_00]: If any you listening or watching are going to be in Atlanta for all star week, you guys know, head us up, send us a DM, tell us where you're going to be.
55:13 --> 55:15 [SPEAKER_00]: We'd love to meet up with you guys.
55:15 --> 55:16 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll be doing a bunch of stuff that week.
55:16 --> 55:17 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, let us know.
55:18 --> 55:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, fourth question.
55:19 --> 55:21 [SPEAKER_00]: This comes from Instagram now.
55:21 --> 55:29 [SPEAKER_00]: This is from C underscore wolf and he asks the question of what to what two cities should get MLB expansion teams.
55:30 --> 55:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Number one is Oakland, because they should have a team.
55:33 --> 55:44 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a big fan base there, and one of the top six markets in the entire country, and Major League Baseball is essentially just leaving money on the table on purpose for John Fisher.
55:45 --> 55:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't understand it.
55:46 --> 55:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't get it.
55:47 --> 55:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And then if I were to choose one other one, I'm gonna be a little selfish for the Mariners.
55:51 --> 55:54 [SPEAKER_01]: You can look at this as either a positive or a negative.
55:54 --> 55:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna spin this as a positive.
55:55 --> 55:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I do think having a team in Portland would be a positive, because
55:59 --> 56:09 [SPEAKER_01]: You get that's two road trips a year now, where you only have to go, a hundred and eighty miles, which is unheard of for the Mariners.
56:10 --> 56:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, the negative thing about it is you would say you'd take a entire city, the twenty-third ranked, I think DMV in the country, out of the Mariners market, which they would not like.
56:21 --> 56:22 [SPEAKER_01]: That's not my problem.
56:23 --> 56:25 [SPEAKER_01]: What is the problem is the travel?
56:25 --> 56:26 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I was going to say.
56:26 --> 56:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not putting a team in Portland because again, that takes away from the Mariners fan base.
56:30 --> 56:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want that.
56:31 --> 56:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Put them somewhere else.
56:32 --> 56:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I would say if it's up to me, just move the A's back to Oakland.
56:36 --> 56:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm still not totally convinced they ever get to Vegas.
56:38 --> 56:41 [SPEAKER_00]: And I know they started doing the groundwork, quote, unquote, in Vegas.
56:42 --> 56:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Until they physically are playing games in Vegas, I'm not a hundred percent convinced that's happening.
56:46 --> 56:49 [SPEAKER_00]: So I hope the A's just move back to Oakland when it's all said and done.
56:50 --> 56:57 [SPEAKER_00]: If they get a different stadium and they're not even technically in Oakland, if they go out and play in San Jose, that's fine.
56:57 --> 57:00 [SPEAKER_00]: That's right in the backyard of the fan base.
57:00 --> 57:04 [SPEAKER_00]: People will be thrilled if they're still in the area and they're still in the Bay Area.
57:04 --> 57:06 [SPEAKER_00]: That would get the fan base back.
57:06 --> 57:09 [SPEAKER_00]: So move the A's back to Oakland and then the two expansion cities, I'd say.
57:10 --> 57:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Just put them in Nashville and Charlotte.
57:12 --> 57:13 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I do.
57:14 --> 57:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Those would be good.
57:16 --> 57:19 [SPEAKER_01]: My thought process was the East Coast has enough sports teams.
57:20 --> 57:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I don't know.
57:23 --> 57:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I think those might be better markets for baseball teams.
57:26 --> 57:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not even sold on Portland as a baseball market, but I'm sure the Mariners would love not having to take a three out of minimum three hour plane flight to any any road trip they go.
57:38 --> 57:41 [SPEAKER_00]: So three hour plane flight at the Portland would be like thirty minutes.
57:42 --> 57:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I know the would not have to do that.
57:44 --> 57:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Ah, yeah.
57:46 --> 57:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, next question.
57:47 --> 57:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
57:48 --> 57:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Next question comes on Instagram for Instagram from crayon fifteen in the question is, are the Astros really six games ahead because they're good or because their schedule is really easy.
58:01 --> 58:02 [SPEAKER_00]: The Astros are good.
58:03 --> 58:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I hate to say it, probably tastes like vinegar and everybody's mouth to say it, but they're good.
58:07 --> 58:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how.
58:08 --> 58:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, lose Tucker, lose Bregment, L. Two, A, looks wash, Yordon's barely played, hobbyers coming off Tommy John, Roanel Blanco, Had Tommy John, you're relying on a rookie and right field.
58:17 --> 58:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't get it.
58:18 --> 58:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Jeremy Payney got hurt.
58:19 --> 58:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I genuinely don't get it, but they are inevitable.
58:22 --> 58:27 [SPEAKER_00]: People say it on Twitter, I will have the vinegar taste of my mouth and say it.
58:28 --> 58:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the astros are inevitable.
58:29 --> 58:30 [SPEAKER_00]: If you want specifics,
58:31 --> 58:34 [SPEAKER_00]: They continue to find ways to pitch and their bullpen is very good.
58:35 --> 58:38 [SPEAKER_01]: There's strength of schedules actually been pretty decent so far.
58:39 --> 58:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you want to guess what their remaining strength of schedule is?
58:43 --> 58:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's probably pretty easy.
58:45 --> 58:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Second easiest.
58:46 --> 58:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, good.
58:48 --> 58:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Good.
58:49 --> 58:51 [SPEAKER_01]: That's not second easiest.
58:52 --> 58:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Again,
58:54 --> 58:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I know it's only July.
58:55 --> 58:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Call me a Debbie Downer if you want.
58:57 --> 59:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I have essentially waved the white flag on the ALS at this point.
59:00 --> 59:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Unless the Mariners cut the deficit to say five to six games heading into the All Star Break.
59:06 --> 59:08 [SPEAKER_00]: And then they sweep the Astros right out of the break.
59:09 --> 59:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I've waved the white flag on the division.
59:11 --> 59:15 [SPEAKER_00]: If the Astros win two or three out of the All Star Break, it's seriously over-over.
59:15 --> 59:19 [SPEAKER_00]: They're not coming back from an eight game deficit in the division in the middle of July.
59:20 --> 59:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
59:21 --> 59:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Fascinating question.
59:22 --> 59:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I was curious, but it's, they have just played really well despite all their injuries.
59:26 --> 59:28 [SPEAKER_01]: They have, they sweat the Dodgers last week.
59:29 --> 59:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Crazy.
59:30 --> 59:33 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners are not sweeping the Dodgers when they come here and play.
59:33 --> 59:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I will, I will stone cold predict that right now.
59:36 --> 59:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, unless they throw out an entire AAA roster.
59:40 --> 59:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you can't DFA everyone off the twenty six man.
59:44 --> 59:44 [SPEAKER_00]: No, that's true.
59:45 --> 59:50 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not like the old days when you bring up a forty man roster in September and you could legitimately play scrubs.
59:50 --> 59:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Remember that twenty fourteen game when the Mariners are fighting for their lives and game one sixty one to get into the playoffs.
59:55 --> 59:57 [SPEAKER_00]: The angels had already clinched the AL West.
59:57 --> 01:00:03 [SPEAKER_00]: They take everybody out of the game and the roster they threw out there in the second half of that game where the Mariners still barely won.
01:00:04 --> 01:00:07 [SPEAKER_00]: It was it was a triple a roster by every sense of the word.
01:00:07 --> 01:00:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I remember a guy by the name of Tony Campana in center field.
01:00:12 --> 01:00:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you remember, uh, I think it might have been the week before when Wade LeBlanc shut them down in Anaheim?
01:00:18 --> 01:00:20 [SPEAKER_00]: No, again, I'm talking about twenty-fourteen.
01:00:20 --> 01:00:22 [SPEAKER_00]: You're thinking that was twenty-fourteen.
01:00:23 --> 01:00:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you're thinking that when Wade LeBlanc was an angel?
01:00:25 --> 01:00:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:00:27 --> 01:00:27 [UNKNOWN]: God.
01:00:28 --> 01:00:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was along the same thing, like the angels of the best record and baseball that the years, so they were coasting.
01:00:33 --> 01:00:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And they threw LeBlanc out there.
01:00:35 --> 01:00:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Just, just to start, I'd never heard of him before.
01:00:39 --> 01:00:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, who the hell is this guy?
01:00:40 --> 01:00:41 [SPEAKER_01]: No way he shuts the mariners out.
01:00:43 --> 01:00:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Check back in the seventh inning, um, uh, wild.
01:00:46 --> 01:00:47 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners don't have any runs.
01:00:49 --> 01:00:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Then he did it for the Mariners a few years later.
01:00:51 --> 01:00:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Merlin Mariners played that prime time baseball game against the Red Sox and Wade LeBlanc retired like twenty two guys in a row and each shot out chills.
01:01:02 --> 01:01:06 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, lastval of that question, this comes on Instagram from Cole A.H.
01:01:06 --> 01:01:09 [SPEAKER_00]: underscore thirteen and he wants to know.
01:01:09 --> 01:01:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Great question, by the way.
01:01:11 --> 01:01:14 [SPEAKER_00]: What would it take for the Mariners to trade for Jose Ramirez?
01:01:15 --> 01:01:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Jairin.
01:01:17 --> 01:01:18 [SPEAKER_01]: What would it cut so first of all?
01:01:20 --> 01:01:21 [SPEAKER_01]: They should do this trade.
01:01:22 --> 01:01:23 [SPEAKER_01]: A hundred thousand person.
01:01:23 --> 01:01:26 [SPEAKER_01]: If he's available, you don't let Cleveland hang up the phone.
01:01:26 --> 01:01:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Same thing with the Koenia.
01:01:28 --> 01:01:29 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not quite as perfect as the Koenia.
01:01:29 --> 01:01:32 [SPEAKER_01]: It makes a little bit more money and is a little bit more expensive.
01:01:32 --> 01:01:35 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, if he's available, you're definitely going out there and trading for him.
01:01:36 --> 01:01:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd say it costs three prospects.
01:01:39 --> 01:01:45 [SPEAKER_01]: However, Launyer planning on dedicating more time in an episode to this after the All Star Break.
01:01:45 --> 01:01:50 [SPEAKER_01]: So we'll spare some of the details for then, but I would say two good prospects.
01:01:50 --> 01:01:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think J-Ramp would cost an elite prospect.
01:01:53 --> 01:01:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Now that he's thirty two and he's owed about over seventy million dollars.
01:01:58 --> 01:01:58 [SPEAKER_01]: So.
01:01:59 --> 01:02:02 [SPEAKER_00]: He's still cost something of significance.
01:02:02 --> 01:02:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't get us wrong.
01:02:03 --> 01:02:09 [SPEAKER_00]: But like TJ said, we can dive into this more after the All Star Break, because believe me, we plan to.
01:02:10 --> 01:02:12 [SPEAKER_00]: We are all on the same wavelength here, people.
01:02:12 --> 01:02:20 [SPEAKER_00]: If you've been thinking in your heads, the idea of Jose Ramirez because the guardians have been bad and they may not be good in years moving forward.
01:02:21 --> 01:02:23 [SPEAKER_00]: We're all thinking the same thing.
01:02:23 --> 01:02:28 [SPEAKER_00]: TJ and I even briefly mentioned it Wednesday and we said, yeah, that sounds like a podcast episode after the break, so it will be.
01:02:28 --> 01:02:29 [SPEAKER_00]: So stay tuned.
01:02:30 --> 01:02:32 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're curious, he was owed sixty nine million dollars.
01:02:33 --> 01:02:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Nice.
01:02:34 --> 01:02:35 [SPEAKER_01]: The three seasons after this.
01:02:36 --> 01:02:39 [SPEAKER_00]: and he's got three and a half years of club control like a coonu does.
01:02:39 --> 01:02:39 [SPEAKER_00]: So he's got a lot.
01:02:40 --> 01:02:48 [SPEAKER_01]: So again, two months this year and then three years after, for what he's worth at a marginal rate, however, a coonu at the difference between the two, a coonu would be entering his prime.
01:02:49 --> 01:02:52 [SPEAKER_01]: J-Ram would finish his contract at each thirty five.
01:02:52 --> 01:02:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:02:54 --> 01:02:55 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, good set of mailback questions.
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01:03:15 --> 01:03:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I've been looking forward this last draft profile.
01:03:18 --> 01:03:22 [SPEAKER_01]: The more this is marinated, the more excited I've gotten.
01:03:23 --> 01:03:31 [SPEAKER_01]: The more I've read about this, I feel like I may be not a new favorite, but new second favorite guy in this entire draft.
01:03:31 --> 01:03:35 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's who we're going to highlight here on our number one MLB draft spotlight.
01:03:37 --> 01:03:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Ethan Holiday, high school shortstop at Oklahoma, the state, not the college, although he is committed to Oklahoma State for a final draft preview and probably the most famous guy in this draft.
01:03:49 --> 01:03:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that's a stretch.
01:03:52 --> 01:03:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I gotta tell you, first off, I previewed him on Brock and Salk on Wednesday.
01:03:56 --> 01:03:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you like the song choice I used by the way?
01:03:58 --> 01:03:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Family ties?
01:03:59 --> 01:04:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you used family ties and you still got a lot of shit for it.
01:04:02 --> 01:04:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Shocker.
01:04:03 --> 01:04:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, did you think those two were gonna know that song that you think they would know baby keem?
01:04:07 --> 01:04:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I will say the first song, Salt suggested.
01:04:11 --> 01:04:12 [SPEAKER_01]: He did happy holidays.
01:04:13 --> 01:04:14 [SPEAKER_01]: And I thought that was good.
01:04:15 --> 01:04:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Boring.
01:04:16 --> 01:04:16 [SPEAKER_01]: That was great.
01:04:16 --> 01:04:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Great news.
01:04:17 --> 01:04:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I love Christmas music.
01:04:19 --> 01:04:20 [SPEAKER_00]: It's July and again.
01:04:20 --> 01:04:21 [SPEAKER_00]: So what?
01:04:21 --> 01:04:25 [SPEAKER_00]: He's famous because of family ties and that's what we're going to get into here.
01:04:25 --> 01:04:27 [SPEAKER_01]: He's famous because of holidays too.
01:04:29 --> 01:04:30 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I think he's famous.
01:04:30 --> 01:04:37 [SPEAKER_00]: If he didn't have an older brother and a dad who were a star and have the potential to be a star of the big leagues,
01:04:38 --> 01:04:39 [SPEAKER_00]: No, he wouldn't be famous because there's last name.
01:04:40 --> 01:04:42 [SPEAKER_00]: No, he's famous.
01:04:42 --> 01:04:45 [SPEAKER_01]: The last name is famous, but anyways, we're arguing schmantics here.
01:04:45 --> 01:04:49 [SPEAKER_00]: He's last name is famous because he has famous brothers and dad and a dad.
01:04:49 --> 01:04:55 [SPEAKER_01]: So another reason he's famous or and will be more famous in the future is because this dude has some elite tools.
01:04:55 --> 01:04:58 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a reason why there's a lot of mock drafts that have him at number one.
01:04:59 --> 01:05:06 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a reason why he was visiting Scott Boris this past weekend in Anaheim to watch the Angels of the Nationals play the teams of the top two picks.
01:05:07 --> 01:05:10 [SPEAKER_01]: We're thinking about a mold here with Ethan Holiday.
01:05:10 --> 01:05:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Whether he sticks it short or whether he moves over to third.
01:05:14 --> 01:05:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Either option looks like right now it's on the table, if he bulks up too much, he can move to third base, if he manages to hold off that bulk aren't he manages the bulk well.
01:05:22 --> 01:05:25 [SPEAKER_01]: There's some evaluators who think that Ethan Holiday can stay at short stop.
01:05:26 --> 01:05:41 [SPEAKER_01]: We're talking about someone who has elite power and if he just has an average hit tool it seems like from what I've been reading there's a lot of confidence that he could come up to the big leagues to be developed properly and hit thirty five home runs and that's a really valuable player
01:05:41 --> 01:05:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I was listening to Tyler Jennings who on this podcast network horror part of Just Baseball.
01:05:46 --> 01:05:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Host is a co host of the on the clock podcast.
01:05:50 --> 01:05:57 [SPEAKER_01]: He's one of the lead draft guys for Just Baseball alongside RM and he had him and RM were on the call up this past week talking about
01:05:58 --> 01:06:00 [SPEAKER_01]: you know, uh, just guys at the top of the draft.
01:06:00 --> 01:06:17 [SPEAKER_01]: And Tyler was, was throwing out some numbers here at the E in the holiday and just said, look, if he's just a forty five hit tool, which is about average in seventy power, which is higher graded than is graded on MLB pipeline, he is a slam dunk number one overall pick.
01:06:17 --> 01:06:21 [SPEAKER_01]: There's not an argument you can hold for Kate Anderson to go number one overall at him.
01:06:21 --> 01:06:23 [SPEAKER_01]: And that got me really excited.
01:06:24 --> 01:06:28 [SPEAKER_01]: So now I hope the the nationals and the angels are in flux and don't draft him.
01:06:30 --> 01:06:33 [SPEAKER_00]: To he crushes baseballs at eighteen years old.
01:06:34 --> 01:06:40 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not that common for an eighteen year old to be putting up X of velocities of a hundred and eleven miles an hour.
01:06:40 --> 01:06:44 [SPEAKER_00]: That is top tier big leaguer X of velocity stuff.
01:06:44 --> 01:06:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Even holiday destroys baseballs and though and the upside of his power is very real.
01:06:50 --> 01:06:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Very, very real.
01:06:51 --> 01:06:54 [SPEAKER_00]: The thirty-five home run potential is real in the big leagues.
01:06:54 --> 01:07:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And when you have that potential, and we keep talking about the idea of taking a swing in this draft, yeah, that's taking a swing.
01:07:02 --> 01:07:04 [SPEAKER_00]: And he actually has a pretty good play approach.
01:07:04 --> 01:07:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Now there is swing and miss in his game, and there's some serious swing and miss, which is why he is polarizing, and he's not the slam dunk number one pick.
01:07:12 --> 01:07:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Because there are concerns there.
01:07:14 --> 01:07:22 [SPEAKER_00]: There is a world Ethan Holiday could be an average defender or below average defender, strike out too much and not put back to ball enough.
01:07:23 --> 01:07:28 [SPEAKER_00]: But, if it all clicks, any develops right, you can be a
01:07:29 --> 01:07:36 [SPEAKER_00]: corner infield bat that is hitting in the middle of your lineup and crushing home runs for six plus years for you.
01:07:36 --> 01:07:38 [SPEAKER_00]: And that is something you can dream on.
01:07:38 --> 01:07:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, when you factor in the idea of a good approach, real power, a pretty smooth swing, it's a little long, and that might have to get cleaned up a bit.
01:07:47 --> 01:07:49 [SPEAKER_00]: But a very smooth swing and some clean mechanics.
01:07:50 --> 01:07:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's a reason he has a chance to go number one.
01:07:52 --> 01:07:53 [SPEAKER_00]: It's intriguing.
01:07:54 --> 01:08:00 [SPEAKER_01]: And if you ask his brother, Jackson will, so what number one overall, if you ask him, who's the better baseball player?
01:08:01 --> 01:08:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Jackson would say Ethan, that are prospect.
01:08:04 --> 01:08:07 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm glad you bring that out because I compared the two on the radio this morning.
01:08:08 --> 01:08:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to do it for everybody here, just so you have an idea of the difference between the two brothers.
01:08:13 --> 01:08:19 [SPEAKER_00]: So this is per MLB pipeline, but Jackson holiday going into the twenty twenty three season as a prospect.
01:08:20 --> 01:08:21 [SPEAKER_00]: So a few months after he was drafted.
01:08:22 --> 01:08:23 [SPEAKER_00]: He was graded out as this.
01:08:24 --> 01:08:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Seventy hit tool, ridiculous.
01:08:26 --> 01:08:27 [SPEAKER_00]: But Seventy hit tool.
01:08:28 --> 01:08:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I say ridiculous, not in a bad way, in a good way.
01:08:30 --> 01:08:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Like he's he's a stud.
01:08:32 --> 01:08:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Fifty five power, sixty run, fifty five arm, fifty five field.
01:08:36 --> 01:08:37 [SPEAKER_00]: That's really good.
01:08:37 --> 01:08:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Across the board, Jackson Halliday was an unreal prospect.
01:08:40 --> 01:08:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Now Ethan?
01:08:41 --> 01:08:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Fifty hit tool, so about a twenty point drop for more jacks and was, sixty five power, ten point increase for more jacks and was, fifty run, fifty five arm, fifty field.
01:08:54 --> 01:08:57 [SPEAKER_00]: So the fielding is around the same range.
01:08:58 --> 01:08:59 [SPEAKER_00]: You know he has a good arm.
01:09:00 --> 01:09:12 [SPEAKER_00]: So the big difference between Jackson and Ethan and you can tell, not just in the size because Ethan's much bigger, but the big difference is Ethan has much more power potential where Jackson is probably the overall better bat.
01:09:14 --> 01:09:23 [SPEAKER_01]: But better overall bet, but I do feel like if you were to ask a scout and say, what's that in the draft at this point has more upside, they'd probably say events.
01:09:24 --> 01:09:33 [SPEAKER_01]: But also it might be a little bit more boomer bus because when you're seventy hit and you have those feeling tools as well, you have a lot more wiggle room and where you can provide value.
01:09:34 --> 01:09:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Ethan, if he shifts over to third base, is gonna have to slug.
01:09:37 --> 01:09:40 [SPEAKER_01]: And if he makes a lot of contact, he will slug quite a lot.
01:09:40 --> 01:09:43 [SPEAKER_01]: If he doesn't make enough contact, he's not gonna slug enough.
01:09:44 --> 01:09:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I do feel like though, the teams at the top of the strap feel like he's gonna do pretty well.
01:09:49 --> 01:09:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the only thing I've pushed back on is I don't know if he really has the higher ceiling than Jackson.
01:09:53 --> 01:09:57 [SPEAKER_00]: People talk about Jackson holiday as a potential superstar, perennial all star.
01:09:58 --> 01:09:59 [SPEAKER_00]: And even might be very good.
01:09:59 --> 01:10:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if he quite has the overall build a makeup of Jackson.
01:10:04 --> 01:10:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess it depends whether or not Jackson moves back to shorter or not for that discussion.
01:10:11 --> 01:10:15 [SPEAKER_01]: because like the bat for Jackson's been good, it's been good at the big leagues.
01:10:15 --> 01:10:23 [SPEAKER_01]: He is a little bit farther, obviously farther along beneath him, but maybe this is something we check back on in fifteen years and get a better answer on.
01:10:23 --> 01:10:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and Jackson's still so young.
01:10:25 --> 01:10:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I know it's easy to forget because he came up at age twenty, but he's twenty-two and he's starting to really figure it out this year.
01:10:31 --> 01:10:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, point being, both brothers have the potential to be very, very good.
01:10:35 --> 01:10:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we were both torn on this at different times of the draft process and through the spring where we've ultimately landed and you think about all the combined tools of Ethan Holiday is, yeah, I could be very much sold on this pick and I could be very much sold on the idea that
01:10:51 --> 01:10:55 [SPEAKER_00]: It could be a really, really good bigleager if it all clicks.
01:10:55 --> 01:10:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Here's the comp I've used.
01:10:56 --> 01:10:59 [SPEAKER_00]: If you want to play or comp, here's the guy I compared him to.
01:10:59 --> 01:11:07 [SPEAKER_00]: When you think about left handed bat, potential corner infielder that's gonna walk because he has a good approach, but it's gonna have some swing and miss along with some good power.
01:11:09 --> 01:11:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Max Muncie?
01:11:10 --> 01:11:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Look, that's actually a pretty decent comp.
01:11:12 --> 01:11:17 [SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, I would draft Max Muncie at number one if you knew who he was going to be for his career with the Dodgers.
01:11:18 --> 01:11:21 [SPEAKER_00]: When I say Ethan Holiday could be Max Muncie, that is a compliment in every way.
01:11:22 --> 01:11:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Max Muncie has been a four and a half to five war third baseman, multiple seasons in his career, where he's made multiple all star games.
01:11:29 --> 01:11:31 [SPEAKER_00]: He's finished top ten and MVP voting multiple times.
01:11:32 --> 01:11:40 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's a thirty to thirty-five home run a year guy who draws a lot of walks, you sacrifice some strikeout with him for everything else because he's a really valuable player.
01:11:41 --> 01:11:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I actually like that, Com.
01:11:43 --> 01:12:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And if you want a more mariner's option the other one that was throwing out there on the radio today was was Gino if you want to not are left handed hitter let's say my deal third baseman swing a miss but a lot of thump in the bat and clearly value there if you know dig into it at the right spot we saw Gino's twenty twenty two season that's about as valuable of the season as you'll get as a third baseman
01:12:07 --> 01:12:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Or it's twenty twenty four.
01:12:09 --> 01:12:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for the Mariners.
01:12:10 --> 01:12:11 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners have had.
01:12:11 --> 01:12:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm in twenty five.
01:12:12 --> 01:12:13 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, Mariners wise.
01:12:13 --> 01:12:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
01:12:13 --> 01:12:14 [SPEAKER_00]: For sure.
01:12:14 --> 01:12:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Outside of twenty six teen Kyle Seeker.
01:12:17 --> 01:12:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's the the high wall.
01:12:18 --> 01:12:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a rod, but those are the high water marks.
01:12:20 --> 01:12:21 [SPEAKER_01]: But he rod was the short stop.
01:12:22 --> 01:12:23 [SPEAKER_01]: So that doesn't matter as much.
01:12:23 --> 01:12:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
01:12:24 --> 01:12:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:12:24 --> 01:12:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I could be sold on this man.
01:12:26 --> 01:12:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I really, really good.
01:12:27 --> 01:12:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I think this would be a very exciting pick.
01:12:28 --> 01:12:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Now I'll say it again.
01:12:31 --> 01:12:33 [SPEAKER_00]: He like Kate Anderson is a Scott Boris guy.
01:12:34 --> 01:12:35 [SPEAKER_00]: How will that factor in?
01:12:36 --> 01:12:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully it doesn't, with a draft pick, and if you offer him full slot value, he just take it and sign.
01:12:44 --> 01:12:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Just something to consider.
01:12:47 --> 01:12:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Here's what I would think about with this.
01:12:48 --> 01:12:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the number one overall pick slot value is eleven million dollars.
01:12:52 --> 01:12:57 [SPEAKER_01]: If he has this mindset on eleven million dollars, no matter where he's picked, it's not gonna be a marathon.
01:12:58 --> 01:13:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Because that would be a million and a half over slot at the number two pick.
01:13:02 --> 01:13:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Our number three pick.
01:13:04 --> 01:13:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Now if Ethan's okay taking nine million five hundred and four thousand, which is the Mariners slot, amount, then I like their odds a lot more.
01:13:13 --> 01:13:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and I don't know if he's going to have the leverage to ask for eleven million dollars no matter what, because if that happens, and he might just go to school.
01:13:20 --> 01:13:25 [SPEAKER_00]: There's not going to be a lot of teams that are willing to pay that way over slot if he falls down a few spots.
01:13:26 --> 01:13:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, he's essentially asking the nationals of the angels to draft him and pay him full slot.
01:13:34 --> 01:13:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Who picks after the mariners that might be wrong to do it?
01:13:37 --> 01:13:37 [SPEAKER_00]: The Rockies.
01:13:38 --> 01:13:40 [SPEAKER_00]: But then the Rockies would have to go way higher.
01:13:41 --> 01:13:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Way higher.
01:13:42 --> 01:13:43 [SPEAKER_00]: But would they sacrifice that to?
01:13:44 --> 01:13:46 [SPEAKER_01]: They probably don't have the bonus pool to do it.
01:13:46 --> 01:13:48 [SPEAKER_01]: They probably physically cannot do it.
01:13:49 --> 01:13:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:13:50 --> 01:13:51 [SPEAKER_00]: So then even doesn't have that type of leverage.
01:13:51 --> 01:13:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Or I should say Scott Boris doesn't have that type of leverage to do that.
01:13:54 --> 01:13:54 [SPEAKER_00]: So.
01:13:55 --> 01:13:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
01:13:55 --> 01:13:56 [SPEAKER_01]: So that yeah.
01:13:56 --> 01:13:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Then maybe they could talk them down a little bit.
01:13:58 --> 01:14:03 [SPEAKER_01]: But Ethan's gonna, I think Ethan's gonna sign the biggest biggest deal on this draft.
01:14:04 --> 01:14:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you think he gets the most money period.
01:14:06 --> 01:14:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:14:08 --> 01:14:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Even if K goes number one for full slot.
01:14:10 --> 01:14:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
01:14:11 --> 01:14:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
01:14:11 --> 01:14:12 [SPEAKER_01]: My not get full slot.
01:14:12 --> 01:14:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Number one.
01:14:12 --> 01:14:14 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like Bisona.
01:14:15 --> 01:14:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Bisona didn't get full slot last year.
01:14:16 --> 01:14:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Number one.
01:14:18 --> 01:14:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, if I had to guess what Travis was on, he looked at the teams that were picking after the guardians and said, well, one of these organizations pretty good in Cleveland, the rest of them, Oakland, Colorado, et cetera.
01:14:27 --> 01:14:28 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, I don't want to go there.
01:14:28 --> 01:14:32 [SPEAKER_01]: And also on top of that, like, Joe Doyle was talking to us about this.
01:14:33 --> 01:14:37 [SPEAKER_01]: And he mentioned, so it's like, all right, Basana, like, this is roughly where you'll get picked.
01:14:37 --> 01:14:40 [SPEAKER_01]: But if you get a deal higher up for the same amount, take it.
01:14:40 --> 01:14:41 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's why I did.
01:14:41 --> 01:14:42 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why I went number one.
01:14:44 --> 01:14:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Ethan Holiday, I can be sold again.
01:14:46 --> 01:14:49 [SPEAKER_00]: We were pretty torn on this for a while, but I can be sold on this idea.
01:14:49 --> 01:14:57 [SPEAKER_01]: We were worried about a swing of missing the offseason, but Jackson Jackson had similar problems, I think, unlike the summer circuit as Ethan did.
01:14:57 --> 01:14:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:14:59 --> 01:15:05 [SPEAKER_01]: And Ethan, by the way, at the same point of those struggles was a higher rate of prospect than Jackson was.
01:15:05 --> 01:15:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Jackson was a projected, I think, second round pick after before senior year of high school.
01:15:11 --> 01:15:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then he figured it out.
01:15:12 --> 01:15:14 [SPEAKER_00]: So we will see.
01:15:14 --> 01:15:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I think over the weekend, we're going to put out some type of post on Instagram and tweet about who TJ and I each have is our top three wish list guys for the draft.
01:15:22 --> 01:15:24 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll probably put it out Sunday, but
01:15:25 --> 01:15:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think we've got a pretty good sense now of who all these guys are.
01:15:28 --> 01:15:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully, over the last couple of weeks, we have prepared you guys as much as we can on this draft and who the Mariners could look at.
01:15:35 --> 01:15:39 [SPEAKER_00]: And now when the draft happens on Sunday, hopefully you guys are pretty familiar with most of these names.
01:15:40 --> 01:15:41 [SPEAKER_00]: So we've got a blast doing these.
01:15:42 --> 01:15:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully you guys have enjoyed listening to them.
01:15:44 --> 01:15:44 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm finally ready.
01:15:45 --> 01:15:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I am ready for this draft to have.
01:15:46 --> 01:15:48 [SPEAKER_00]: We have talked about it so much now.
01:15:48 --> 01:15:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm ready to hear the name of the third pick.
01:15:50 --> 01:15:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't wait.
01:15:50 --> 01:15:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Going to be super cool and thank god the draft is right next to the stadium this year.
01:15:55 --> 01:15:57 [SPEAKER_01]: God what a joke it was last year.
01:15:57 --> 01:16:00 [SPEAKER_00]: It was out in some stupid barn in like Fort Worth.
01:16:00 --> 01:16:01 [SPEAKER_00]: It was nowhere near the ballpark.
01:16:01 --> 01:16:05 [SPEAKER_01]: It was like an hour away from from global life park, which is stupid.
01:16:05 --> 01:16:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Stupid.
01:16:06 --> 01:16:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:16:07 --> 01:16:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, I can't wait.
01:16:08 --> 01:16:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't wait to get down to Atlanta.
01:16:10 --> 01:16:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't wait to see who the mayor is pick.
01:16:12 --> 01:16:15 [SPEAKER_00]: That is Ethan Holiday, our number one prospect.
01:16:16 --> 01:16:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, our number one profile of all the draft profiles we know highlighted.
01:16:20 --> 01:16:22 [SPEAKER_00]: So that wraps that up.
01:16:22 --> 01:16:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Now it's time to make the pick.
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