Episode 276: Wrapping Up The Mariners 2025 Trade Deadline

00:00:00 Speaker 1: Welcome to episode number two seventy six of the Marine Layer Podcast. We'll recap the entire trade deadline for the Mariners, hand out some grades and compare them to the rest of the league through these upcoming two months. 00:00:12 Speaker 2: Your guys, reminder, if you want to stay on top of everything we're doing, go over to our website, marinelayerpod dot com. You can find all of our episodes there. If you're listening, make sure to rate and review five stars. Download these episodes. If you're watch on YouTube, make sure a light comment and please go hit that subscribe button on YouTube. It really does help us out if you do. If you're on our website, there's a bunch of stuff there you guys. If you're interested in your merch, TJ's wearing it right now, hats, hoodies, t shirts, long sleeve shirts, you can go get it all over at our site Patreon. 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I think we had a whole day of sitting and watching trades, which I'm actually let me hat tip Major League Baseball. I was so worried this deadline was going to be an absolute dud. There was just nothing happening up until about last night or until yesterday afternoon. Is when it really started going. With the two relievers. You WoT Hellsley go off the board, you had Doran go off the board, you had Gino go late at night, and then today, man, oh my god. Now is when turning the pass and notifications on really helped. My head was spinning a little bit trying to keep track of all of these, and they put on put on more of a show than I would have thought given the expanded format and some of the team selling was a little strange. You had you had the Twins. The Twins sold ten players on their twenty six man roster. 00:02:23 Speaker 2: It's incredible, and going into Thursday, they'd sold one. They just sold Duran, and I thought it was just gonna be one of those situations where they sold off one bullpen arm to get a return back that they really liked and otherwise would roll with the rest of their roster. But good Lord, for anybody interested in some hilarious content, go check the Twins Instagram page. Somebody took a screenshot of it this afternoon and it is just filled with basically ten twenty graphics in a row that are all this is a trade we just made, here's the deal, and then a thank you post for a player. It's like it's like ten twelve of them in a row. It's absolutely insane. 00:03:05 Speaker 1: The graphics team for the Twins is working overtime today. Yeah, but I thing, I think they had the same graphic on it looked pretty close to the same, like two graphics on repeat, It's like, all right, we gotta swap a photo out change your name. 00:03:18 Speaker 2: Yeah, because again you went from dealing Duran to how many of these? Can I even rattle off in times? Hi? Jacks, Hey, I'm been trying to do it not. I mean, it's impossible to do it in order, but yeah, after selling Duran on Wednesday, you sell off Castra, you sell off Jacks, you sell off Correa, you sell off Cologne, you sell off Who am I missing again? 00:03:40 Speaker 1: There's a bunch more, Oh reliever to the Dodgers we talked about. 00:03:44 Speaker 2: Oh Brox Stewart, Yeah, h him too. I mean, it was just one after another after another after another. But you know what that felt like? The NBA trade deadline today? That was sick if for as frustrating as it was, for no action to happen until the final forty eight hours or so, for the most part, to see that happen on the final day, sick awesome. Honestly, I hope Major League Baseball does that every year. I don't know about you, but I spent my entire afternoon doing two things. We hopped on the Just Baseball live stream with our buddies over at Just Baseball and the Just Baseball Show to talk a little bit of Mariners because they were doing a full day trade deadline stream, which you can go back and check out and watch if you're interested. But other than that, I was sat down in front of my TV ESPN turned on for Baseball tonight, just watching Passing and Buster Olney and Kevin Connors and that whole panel just break trade after trade after trade, and you're seeing Passing on there, like he's looking down at his phone and you can tell people are texting him and he's trying to tweet out, and then he's also reporting and talking into the camera, so you're doing that and also just watching your phone for notifications every minute of the afternoon. I like that was riveting. Like that was you know how pardon my take likes to joke that is, like they'll tell players, honestly, watching ten hours of football really tiring. Some say even more exhausting than actually going out and playing the game. I think you should give us credit, honestly, the baseball players should give us credit, all us content creators and baseball fans who sat in front of their couch and tracked all those moves for like three and four hours here on Thursday afternoon. 00:05:19 Speaker 1: If players don't have to worry about much of that, they just get to hear it after the fact. It's like the Gino trade yesterday for the Mariners. They had no idea until they got back to the clubhouse. They were just out there playing and vibing. That's it. That's all that was going on. Like it just it makes it a lot easier. But we have to keep track of like fifteen things. I mean, think about the stress that you and I had to be on Jack's watch from two to three pm. Griffin Jackson not been traded yet, and we were thinking now would be the time, Now would be the time. There's like there were some ideas out there this morning that that the Twins were not going to be doing any business. But then as soon as Correa goes off the board and like, oh, well they're selling Korea and these guys must all be available. So we're sitting there and we're waiting and we're watching for Jackson. Unfortunately, right at the buzzer, the Rays go out and get him. We'll talk about that a little bit later, but yeah, I mean, I mean we're sitting there paying attention because if something breaks you and I have to sit down and do something. If it was someone as big as Jacks, I mean maybe we would have just tied it into this episode. But the episode, instead of coming out tomorrow morning on Friday, would come out this afternoon as soon as we're done recording. Huge difference of that kind of thing. 00:06:29 Speaker 2: Are we not gonna send justin topa DM with just nothing but the will Smith meme? 00:06:37 Speaker 1: Do you want him? 00:06:38 Speaker 2: I mean it would be I mean, I can't imagine it's filling all that like in like reinvigorated right now. So that might be a little mean, but I mean it is literally like, yes, they have twenty six players on their roster, but you know the will Smith they. 00:06:54 Speaker 1: Had twenty six players on their roster. 00:06:56 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, they're gonna have to make a lot now they have sixteen. You know the Wilson with me, I'm talking about that right. 00:07:01 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's standing alone in the room. Yeah, it's him and Joe Ryan. Which, by the way, how did Joe Ryan not get. 00:07:07 Speaker 2: Out the Red Sox tried at the end. Yeah. 00:07:10 Speaker 1: I heard Craig Breslo do his best Jerry to Poto impression in the in the press conference. 00:07:15 Speaker 2: Look, can I read you this tweet from Craig Breslov. 00:07:17 Speaker 1: I could not believe it. I had to save it and read it on this episode. I understand the frustration and disappointment. There's not a lot of sympathy sympathy for how hard we tried to get those deals across across the line before the Buzzer first team all we tried. 00:07:36 Speaker 2: He's really bad at this, isn't he? 00:07:38 Speaker 1: I I saw someone tweet it was like, thank goodness, we no longer have the worst middle relief president of Baseball Operations. 00:07:50 Speaker 2: You mean in terms of doing press conferences? Yeah, or just in general? 00:07:56 Speaker 1: Yeah, Bresla is probably not better at his job than Jerry is, especially after this deadline. Jerry is now cleaned up three of four deadlines? 00:08:04 Speaker 2: Is Jerry the only like reliever GM and Baseball besides Breslo? 00:08:10 Speaker 1: Like four player middle reliever? Like it's pretty niche? 00:08:15 Speaker 2: Maybe, okay, maybe that's true. Anyway, before we get to some of the Mariners stuff, this is actually gonna be a little bit bullpen banter esque. For those who have seen all our National Baseball content which is called bullpen banner. I thought this would be fun. You want to try and name trade acquisitions here from the final day until somebody stumbles and can't and can't get one right for the next minute. 00:08:38 Speaker 1: Yeah, I can try. Unfortunately for you, I wrote down pretty much all of them. I'm not looking at it, but I did write them down. 00:08:44 Speaker 2: You wrote down every move. 00:08:46 Speaker 1: I screenshotted them all down. 00:08:48 Speaker 2: You. You wrote down Bailey Falter from the Pirates to the Royals. 00:08:52 Speaker 1: That one I did not write down. 00:08:53 Speaker 2: No, Charlie Morton to the Tigers. 00:08:57 Speaker 1: How about Shane Bieber to the Toronto Blue Jays. 00:09:00 Speaker 2: Yep, that one did happen. I'm gonna take the twins ones out because we just talked about all of them. Well then you had, I mean there was a lot of twins, Dell, but aside from that, jose Caviarda the Yankees, how. 00:09:12 Speaker 1: About James Outman, twod Oh to Boston? 00:09:16 Speaker 2: Now the Twins? 00:09:17 Speaker 1: No twins, damn it? 00:09:18 Speaker 2: How does see you lose? Okay, Dustin May? 00:09:20 Speaker 1: I lose Dustin May went to Boston. 00:09:22 Speaker 2: So that was another Alex call from the Nationals to the Dodgers. Man, I want to move. 00:09:28 Speaker 1: God what else? 00:09:30 Speaker 2: So many that there were there were a lot. 00:09:33 Speaker 1: Let's think guardians didn't actually make really any moves. That was kind of surprising. 00:09:37 Speaker 2: Here's one. Here's a neat one. How about Miguel and Duhart from the A's to the Reds. 00:09:42 Speaker 1: I did see that he got moved. 00:09:43 Speaker 2: That was weird. 00:09:45 Speaker 1: Uh oh, let's just pull out a big one. Mason Miller got traded when we were done last this morning. 00:09:50 Speaker 2: That was wild. 00:09:52 Speaker 1: Yeah, shocking trade. 00:09:54 Speaker 2: Well, i'd say a Doley's Garcia, but he's getting the lineup against the Mariners today on Thursday, So I don't think that and actually happened. 00:10:00 Speaker 1: I don't think he actually traded. 00:10:02 Speaker 2: No, I don't think he's actually a New York met in fact, in fact, the Rangers took to social media to make fun of that tweet on Thursday. 00:10:10 Speaker 1: Off the top of my head, got I feel like I'm forgetting. 00:10:12 Speaker 2: Some I mean, there's all the relievers, Merrill, Kelly, Film Mayton. 00:10:17 Speaker 1: I mean, Jake Bird is a Yankee. 00:10:20 Speaker 2: There's a lot of guys that are Yankees. We'll get into them. Anyway, that was That was basically a minute. But yes, there was a lot of moves and I'm sure a ton we didn't even remember off the top of our head. So yeah, crazy deadline do we want to talk about. Okay, so now that we're going to get into the Mariners part of this, before we get to. 00:10:39 Speaker 1: Talk we missed one. Sorry, we missed one. Paul Sewold got traded to the Tigers. 00:10:43 Speaker 2: Oh he did, and so did Kyle fin Again. Yeah, the Tiger's got a couple of relievers, so not the top of the line though the Yankees got all those. I got a lot of them, including David Bednar. But yeah, I was gonna say before we get into well, as we get into some Mariner's stuff, and I'm sure we're going to talk a little what about Caleb Ferguson. I'm sure we're going to talk about the deadline overall. Do we want to talk a little bit about the Geno saga from the time he got traded to Now, Well, first off, as we're recording this, he's back in the ballpark and people look just thrilled to see him and fired up that he's around. He already did a good vibes only on social media, of course he did. But the story that Shannon told on seven ten today on Brocken Sol, Shannon Dreer was on and she told the story of what the scene was like on the team plane when Gino was traded. So I believe, if I have it right, the team knew of the news by this point because Cal gave quotes about it and JP was talking about it and talking about how excited they were to have Gino. Then all of a sudden, they're delayed thirty minutes on the tarmac last night, trying to get back and nobody knows what's going on and why this plane won't take off, and they're wondering, yeah, why are we still sitting here? And who comes walking on to the plane after a thirty minute delay but au Hennio Suarez and his family, And it was basically like from everything I understand, you know the you know the meme on Twitter where the DVD thing is bouncing around back and forth in the square and then finally when it hits perfectly in the bottom left pocket, it has all those fans down in the crowd like going crazy that it finally hit the bottom left pocket. That's that's basically what I think the team plane was like when Gino got on and guys were fired up. They couldn't have been more excited. There's hugs going all around apparently, Gino went and hugged every single person on that plane. I mean, that just speaks to who Gino is as a whole too. But what a I mean, what a cool moment. I wish they had video of that. 00:12:46 Speaker 1: I yeah, I wish they had video of that too. Just think of it, like, there's no more happier place he could have been traded to than Seattle if he was a Yankee. Don't think he'd be this happy. I really don't like they I mean, just think about that relationship. First of all, it just like works out that the Diamondbacks were in town at the same time as the Briners, and Gino could essentially just take an uber from I don't from their hotel to the tarmac to get on the plane with the Mariners. Just perfect that it works out that way. But also just like just seeing all the videos out there today, he's gonna suit up and play in the lineup for the first time back. He's like, yep, I feel like I'm right back at home. He's he's hugging employees at the ballpark. It's like great, feels great. He got his old locker back in the clubhouse. It just like it just works out so good. This thing really did work out in so many ways. Package wise, it worked out, fit wise, it worked out, and then just vibes wise. I mean, it is just great. The more we've just sat here and seen the consensus of like the of the fan base for the most part, on getting Aohenio Suarez, it's amazing to see. And he's probably gonna get one heck of an ovation tonight on Thursday, and then when we're there on Friday, I'm sure he'll get another big one, and on Saturday and on Sunday as well. It's gonna be freaking awesome. 00:14:03 Speaker 2: I was gonna say, I bet you he gets them all weekend. I think that's gonna be really cool. Yeah, especially when you assume it's gonna be a pretty pack crowd over the weekend, especially Friday and Saturday. I would think Gino's gonna get some really nice ovations. 00:14:15 Speaker 1: But I'll tell you what, for all a lot of the fans that were probably boycotting the season, I don't think they're gonna be boycotting anymore. Probably not, most likely. There will probably be some, but most of them I would say no. I think getting Auneo Scorz back brings so many smiles and positive memories out of people's minds. I really do think so, except for those of you who just can't get Ben Williamson out of your head for some reason. But that's it. 00:14:45 Speaker 2: See. I hate to do that because, like, Ben Williamson's done absolutely nothing wrong other than go out as not like gone out there and give the team everything he's got. But my god, man, I don't know what's going on in this fan base. But as you tweeted today, that is gonna be studied in sports his three classes for the next hundred years or one hundred years from now. 00:15:03 Speaker 1: There're people at like people I don't know whether it was texting the the Brockensoft text line or sending us a dm at like asking serious questions about where Gino's gonna play because Ben Williamson's at third base. 00:15:16 Speaker 3: Like guys, he is thirty six home runs, like one guy where is he gonna play? 00:15:24 Speaker 2: One guy's an MVP candidate, the other can barely keep his ops over six hundred god guys, Like again, I I hate to do this, I really do, because Ben's a really good dude. And again, he's done nothing but give his all. And you know what, he's played awesome defense this year, and he's and he's adjusted to some things really well for a rookie. But now when this discourse goes like this and people are wondering why a guy with a sixty percent ground ball rate and an OPS that can barely stick at six hundred is being taken out of the lineup for an MVP candidate, it forces us to say. 00:15:58 Speaker 1: Like, wake up, please, like a guy, a guy who. 00:16:02 Speaker 2: Hits a ball into the ground sixty percent of the time, doesn't hit with power, doesn't walk like, why is he being taken out of the lineup? Well, because you're upgrading by three hundred points OPS wise, what do you want me to tell you? Yeah, crazy y, I'm trying to think any other geno stuff before we get through that. 00:16:21 Speaker 1: While there was a prediction that people can hold us to when they listen to this episode on Fridays, he going yard tonight. 00:16:28 Speaker 2: That would be so sick. 00:16:30 Speaker 1: First of bat, first at Battie cranks one into the upper deck. 00:16:34 Speaker 2: That would be so flips. That'd be so cool. 00:16:37 Speaker 1: Speaking of which tonight, we're not going to talk about tonight's game or this series really that much. This is a pretty fricking big series tonight. I will say Rangers and Mariners both were aggressive at as deadline and their neck and neck in these wild card standings. There's a lot at stake here. 00:16:54 Speaker 2: I mean, and the fact that it's a four game series. And I'll say this for both teams because it applies for both teams. You can't get swept in this series. No, Like, if one of these teams get swept, look at how much that will alter the wild card picture moving forward. Like if you're the Mariners, you bet, like after the road trip you just had where you could not take advantage of two very middling at best, or I would. I would more say, poor baseball teams, you gotta find a way to take advantage of this series. I mean, you've got to split at the. 00:17:28 Speaker 1: Very least, so this ties in. Oh go ahead, are. 00:17:33 Speaker 2: You gonna move on from Geno? Because I just realized I have one more thing. 00:17:35 Speaker 1: H Well, I was gonna, yeah, I was gonna get to one of the overarching topics of this episode. But yes, go ahead, all. 00:17:41 Speaker 2: Right, sixty seconds because I told you last night I wanted to do this. This didn't make a ton of headlines or like make a bunch of waves on Mariners Twitter and the social verse of the Mariners world until we tweeted it out. So there was an ESPN article that was put out on Wednesday before this Geno trade. It was Wednesday morning on ESPN of all places, and it was like one crazy trade line or it was like couple of out of the box trade deadline predictions. They gave a handful of them about what's something you're not thinking about that could happen. Very first one, I'm not kidding. First one, they said, au Henni Osuarez, who is a rental and will be a free agent at the end of the year. They said that he will be getting traded to the Miami Marlins, who are seven games back of the third Wildcard. Seven games back, they said, Gino's getting traded. Now, you might ask yourself, they must have had some reasoning. Why would they send Geno to the Miami Marlins who are seven games back. Well, I'm glad you asked. In the article, they said, point number one, they owe their fans a little bit of stupid because they've had plenty of cheap and they said it's time to get stupid. Well stupid in terms of that would literally be stupid, not stupid, like we're gonna try and go for it and give up a big package that is legitimately stupid to have a third basement on a rebuilding team with seven games out, sit and rot like what so hang on. So that's point number one. Oh okay, and point number two. This one really takes the cake. You thought point number one was bad, This one is crazy. I'm just gonna read you a quick graph. What was also written in this article was he said the following. If anything, it would be a good response to Eachiro Suzuki saying at the Hall of Fame induction this past weekend that before he signed with the Marlins he had never heard of them. This would keep Swarez away from each Hero's Mariners, so at the very least, this deal would be sweet revenge. Yeah, I'm sure that diamondbackser and Marlins were thinking of themselves. Let's make a trade because I don't like that Eachiro made a sarcastic joke at his Hall of Fame speech, and therefore we are gonna deal actual players at the trade deadline to despite a team that, by the way, isn't even in our league. The Marlins and Mariners could not be further apart, both on the map and on rivalry. I don't even know what to comprehend what I just read. 00:20:16 Speaker 1: What is worse that or Jim Bowden's Geno trade proposal to the Mariners, which, by the way, for those of you wondering, Jim Boden put out some trade predictions earlier this week or last week, and his trade to the Mariners was that the Mariners would have to give up Ryan Sloan and Michael Arroyo for Gino. 00:20:35 Speaker 2: So that's bad, but at least there were actual rumors earlier in the week and earlier in the deadline process saying it might take two top one hundred prospects to get Gino. So if you're making me rank them, they're both bad. But at least there was some logic behind that. 00:20:52 Speaker 1: Trading a guy aka Mike Haysen texting Jim Boden, hey tweet this out, please. 00:21:00 Speaker 2: Well, fine, but trading the best bat on the market who's a rental of the Marlins who are seven games out of a playoff spot because you want to spike each hero. That is the dumbest. That's the dumbest thing I've ever read. That is the dumbest thing I've ever read. I want to spike each hero who made a joke in his Hall of Fame speech, and now we're going to actually deal baseball players to get back at him for one little statement. 00:21:26 Speaker 1: What you're right, You're one hundred percent right. I just think this whole thing is hilarious. And I don't know why ESPN the writer spent so much time sitting there and writing these out just to like see how stupid they look. 00:21:40 Speaker 2: I mean, it feels to me like they needed a story out quick, and let's just think of something on the fly, and this is what they came up with. Because this is crazy. That is crazy work. 00:21:49 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Let's get to some main topics. Love you bringing that up. Thanks for bringing that up loud, fabulous, fabulous content. But let's let's talk about the Mariner's deadline because we've made it twenty two minutes into this episode and haven't gotten our main points yet. The first question I want to ask you about this Mariner's deadline is, now that it's all concluded, what's you're grade for it? 00:22:13 Speaker 2: I give hi an a Now, if they had gone out and gotten one more big time bullpen arm. It would have been a plus if you had found a way to get Griffin Jacks by the end of this deadline. That is I mean, that's an all time deadline. If you go get Griffin Jacks, that could be an A plus plus. But for what they did, yeah, it's an a They killed it. They got the two best bats on the market without giving up a single guy in their top one hundred or in their yeah, a single guy on the top one hundred prospects list, and you still went and got a good reliever. I'm not We'll get into Caleb Ferguson a little bit. He is not an elite reliever, but he's a good reliever and you got him in addition to the two best bats on the market. When you do that and you get an MVP candidate at the deadline, like Gino, because that's what he is, that's an a deadline and the best deadline I think the Mariners have ever had. 00:23:06 Speaker 1: They get an ad for me too. They go into this deadline, they have I think three clear pressing needs first base, third base, and reliever, and they went out they dressed all three of them. But they went and got the best players at two of those positions you can't really ask for much more. Think of how some of these other teams are feeling out there, who needed third base and first base help or bullpen help. It did not get the best to the best at any of those positions, and just kind of feel nah, at the deadline. 00:23:36 Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about the Yankees, who I know had a really good day and made some serious upgrades to their bullpen. But where you can compare and contrast the Yankees and the Mariners here as while some Mariners fans might look at the Yankees and say, man, I wish the Mariners had done what the Yankees did with their bullpen, you think the Yankees aren't looking at the Mariners and saying, man, I wish we had Gino and not Ryan McMahon playing third base. Who I came on here and said, if the Mariners made that move for Ryan McMahon, I was going to vomit. If I was a Yankees fan and I saw they traded for Ryan McMahon, I seriously would have vomited. Because again, he's been a league average hitter zero times in his career. He's owed sixteen million dollars in twenty twenty six and twenty twenty seven, he's striking out thirty two percent of the time, and he was playing in Coors Field. I wanted no part of that. This could not have been a more polar opposite positive move in terms of what the Mariners did at third. 00:24:30 Speaker 1: Base, especially after they saw what the price was for Gino. And I feel like there's a good chunk of teams in baseball that could have paid that price and went and got Gino, But the Mariners were the ones who actually got it done, which is a big reason why they got this great up to an eight. The Mariners are a significantly better baseball team post deadline than they were pre deadline. A week in change ago, when they didn't have Naylor, they didn't have Gino, they didn't have Caleb Ferguson. This was not as good of a baseball team. Now you can look at the team and say, all right, I believe in this lineup. This one through nine is a legitimate one through nine, and this is one of the best lineups in all of baseball. The starting rotation has the talent to be one of the five best in baseball. They haven't pitch till I get this year, but they very well could be. The bullpen is where the problem still lies, where there's just there's a lack of upside one through eight in that bullpen. But that's not just something you're gonna have to deal with because the deadline's over and these are the guys you're gonna be rolling with, rolling with down the stretch of the season. But you see how much better your lineup getting got, You're thinking that's gonna offset some of the pitching deficiencies you have, either in your starting rotation or in your bullpen as well. And that's why they get an A because they went out there and they did for the third time in four seasons, arguably more than anyone else in baseball. 00:25:46 Speaker 2: M h, Yeah, they did, and to the Geno point, and in terms of actually being the team to acquire them, this is where I think the front office gets some credit again, and you said this earlier when we were talking about it just over text. I think it's fair to say the Mariners called the bluff of the Diamondbacks pretty well, because not only did the Mariners end up being the ones that got Gino, but they offered the package that they did and got the Diamondbacks to say, yes, they didn't give up two top one hundred prospects for Gino. They said, no, this is what the package for a rental looks like, even for a guy who's had as good a year as au Hennio Suarez. They called the bluff and. 00:26:25 Speaker 1: The Yankees didn't. And you saw what the Yankees did. They pivoted very early and they went and got McMahon instead when they, I guess weren't. They weren't willing to sit there in bluff. They just wanted a player there at third base. But the Mariners were like, they essentially said fuck it, like, we're getting this player. And Jerry to Poto, like is negotiating here with with Mike Hazen or Justin Holland or whoever was doing the negotiating here. I assume it was Jerry, but they're like, look, dude, the deadline's coming up. We know he walks at the end of the season. You don't have the power you think you're gonna have. And then they end up doing it for that package, and it's it's amazing. The difference between the bat packages and the reliever packages we saw were fucking insane, absolutely insane. So it is a little more understandable why the Mariners didn't go get a reliever for the for the guys they they gave up. I saw Church tweeting about this yesterday. It's like, why haven't Rental's been a bigger part of this team strategy in the future. 00:27:29 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what they had to give up. I mean it should be because again, you don't have to give up as much. 00:27:33 Speaker 1: And the total for Gino, Caleb Ferguson and Josh Naylor. The Mariners gave up Tyler Locklear, Hunter, Criton, jan Burgos, Jeter Martinez, Brandon Garcia and Ashton Is how many of those guys, if you were to make a prediction in five years, would be every day, everyday players on the Mariners roster. 00:27:54 Speaker 2: Totally unbiased here, I'm gonna say bg would have been a lights out reliever, right. 00:27:58 Speaker 1: One of the totally totally four six relievers six players. 00:28:05 Speaker 2: And again that is a totally unbiased, down the middle objective conclusion, right. But GE's the man. But yeah, you. 00:28:14 Speaker 1: Look at it that way and you're like, oh, yeah, duh, that's why we're doing that. And credit to the Mariners they pressed on it. They were aggressive and they got it done, and that's a big reason why they got an A. I was worried when I saw the report that they were okay. They were thinking about being okay with Josh Naylor being their number one acquisition of the deadline, which this feels a little bit more like the twenty twenty two deadline when they went out and they got Castillo, but they didn't go get that second great player. They instead filled around the edges and still left some holes on their roster. They managed to fill another pretty big hole with this one, so again that's a big reason for them getting an A. 00:28:52 Speaker 2: If the Mariners had only walked away with Josh Naylor and Caleb Ferguson, given what they said publicly, you know, I would have tweeted had the deadline ended today with just that. I was thinking about this last night before the Geno trade. It would have been the most perfect thing. Ever. When the tweet came out that said that is the end of the MLB trade deadline, I would have just quote tweeted it on our podcast account with the skip Bayliss screenshot that says all in Comma my ass. 00:29:24 Speaker 1: I saw someone else tweet that out today. I think it was someone in Chicago. 00:29:28 Speaker 2: Oh maybe you're right, but that would have been the perfect tweet, just all in. 00:29:33 Speaker 1: Comma my ass of all time. 00:29:37 Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, as that reply section very clearly illustrated. Back when Skip tweeted that h the work that Comma did, it was like it was like pulling a tug boat because could you imagine if Skip left that Comma. 00:29:53 Speaker 1: Out would have been an all time tweet. Well, it still was, but it would have been a greater all time tweet. Okay, next question for you, Lyle, why didn't the Mariners go get another leverage arm. 00:30:08 Speaker 2: I think the Mariners only viewed a couple remaining guys on the market as true leverage bullpen arms to be honest, of a lot of the guys that went off the board. And I understand why people wanted to see action today. Yes, the Mariners could have used more bullpen help. They could have. I also think people love the idea of a dopamine hit on the day of the trade deadline, and they just love seeing action and they want to see something and they want to see that they're team's transacting. But when you take a step back, when it's all over and you look at some of the relievers that got dealt. Do the Mariners look at a lot of those guys and say, Okay, this is a true leverage guy. This changes our roster. I don't think you're saying that about Camillo Dovall. I don't think you're saying that about Jake Bird. I don't think you're saying that about Kyle Finnegan. I think there were about two guys who they really viewed as a true leverage arm. Honestly, I'm not even really sure they viewed Pete Fairbanks as a leverage arm, because Pete Fairbanks isn't striking a ton of guys out this year, he's got walk problems, He's owed a decent amount of money next year. I just don't know if the Mariners saw that as a true, true meaningful upgrade, not that it would be no upgrade, but a true meaningful one where it's worth giving up the trade package. I think they probably saw two guys as game changers in the bullpen entering Thursday. One was David Bennar, the other was Griffin Jacks. And could you argue that the Mariner should have made a deal to get one of those guys. Sure, but when you see Griffin Jacks get traded for Taj Bradley, a big league ready starter who I know, he's struggled a little bit this year and has spent some time in the minors, but you're talking about a guy with filthy stuff. He's twenty four years old. His upside could still be the moon. He was a huge prospect when he debuted. The return the Twins got on Griffin Jacks says to me that they told the Mariners, if you want Griffin Jacks, give us Bryce Miller, And obviously the Mariners looked at that and said, yeah, we're not doing that. So I can't really blame the Mariners for not going and getting Gryffin Jacks. 00:32:10 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm in the same boat with you. I would have I would have then tried to go after Bednar and maybe they did, but maybe they didn't like him enough to give up what the Yankees gave up for him. I don't think the Yankees had a dip too far into their top thirty to get. 00:32:23 Speaker 2: Him, right, No, they didn't. It was interesting that they gave up a catcher to get him. And that's the one thing where I looked at said, well, could the Mariners have done that? Could this have been where they dealt Harry Ford to go get some something of big league significance. Could have been? Now, maybe the Mariners view Harry Ford as a much better player than the catcher the Yankees gave up to go get David Bednar. And that's why they didn't do it, is you know, they have a model. The Mariners have a system, and they're not gonna just you know, they're not gonna blindly overpay for something. But of the two, yes, Bennar would have made more sense. But maybe the Mariners didn't view the overall value of the trade as being right in their minds to go and dip into their top one hundred. Because you're right, the Yankees didn't dip into the top one hundred for that. 00:33:09 Speaker 1: And they might have dipped into their top one hundred for Jacks because that they probably hold Jacks up here and Bednar up here, and then everyone else they view as too similar to the guys we already have in our bullpen. Therefore, no need to give up value for those guys. We'll get similar production under the guys we already have. I just wish the Twins were more interested in prospects. Same like they're rebuilding they I feel like they could have been easily interested in more prospects. Todz Bradley, you could argue still kind of is a prospect given his age. But he's got like three hundred and fifty innings under his belt and he started sixty seven games in the majors. Yeah, so like he's got that experience there too. That's just kind of kind of disappointing, which is and why we were kind of sitting here on Jacks Watch for the last hour of the deadline, thinking are the Mariners going to push their chips in to go get Jacks? But once we saw the price, it it very much, very much makes sense why they go do it. The reliever market is kind of crazy. It was kind of crazy, and the Mariners kind of it was fucking bonkers. 00:34:08 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:34:08 Speaker 1: Is that better? 00:34:09 Speaker 2: Yeah? 00:34:09 Speaker 1: Okay, good? 00:34:11 Speaker 2: Now. 00:34:11 Speaker 1: I will say just because the Mariners passed on the market does not mean their bullpen, I think is totally fine. I still think the bullpen very much lacks upside. I think the Mariners have very much accounted for now the cost of not going and upgrading at the deadline their bullpen where they sit there and they think, Okay, this is sort of like the risk we're gonna have to take. It's the same thing with the rotation, right you still have kind of an unknown fifth spot with Logan Evans's innings limit and Bryce Miller coming back to health. Like that spot right there is uncertain in the Mariner's rotation from a performance perspective, top to the bottom has not been great. You can say the same thing with the bullpen. It just lacks upside one through eight in that bullpen, and the Mariners sit there and say, okay, are we still good enough even if we go we don't go out there and we acquire another bullpen arm at this deadline, and they answered the question for us in terms of what they believe. They think they're still good enough in the bullpen down the stretch in the regular season. Lyle, given the state of this lineup now, I think the bullpen's good enough. I think they're gonna score enough runs. They should score enough runs to outweigh either rotation struggles or bullpen struggles. Now, when you get into a series, potentially in the postseason with the Yankees and that bullpen, they have on top of the lineup they have and the rotation they have, that's where some problems might arise. But that's an October problem. They have to make it there first. 00:35:44 Speaker 2: Oh, we're actually seeing this a little bit differently. I flip flop it. In terms of my mindset. I would be more worried about the bullpen getting you through the rest of the regular season then I am about it in October, because if the Mariners are gonna win in October, well, if they're gonna win period, especially in October, they're starting. Pitching has to figure it out. Logan Gilbert and George Kirby have to be who people know they can be and who they know they can be. And when you get to October, if those guys are giving you serious length, then that should that should like eat up a lot of the innings before you have to get to your bullpen. And when you have as many off days as you do in the postseason, because during the regular season you don't have that, but when you have that many off days in the postseason, you could go to Gabe Spier, Matt brash Andre's Munno's a lot if you want, and you can mix Caleb Ferguson into that too. Remember how in twenty twenty two during that Astro series before the eighteen inning Crazy Game. Honestly, even a little bit in the Blue Jays Series two, the Mariners were like basically using Muno's and Brash. They didn't use a whole lot else out of their bullpen and pulse. They were using, yeah, a little bit. I mean they used Seawald in the Astro series, that's for sure, because Seawald's who gave up a bunch of base runners before Robbie Ray came in and he walked David. 00:36:54 Speaker 1: Henley on that three to two p and I was gonna say, and they put George Kirby in the bullpen before five of the guys. 00:37:00 Speaker 2: Right, So when you get to October, you can make it work with some of your A level arms and use them a lot because there's more built in off days where I more look at this and sorry, throw Caleb Ferguson into that mix too, because he's not going to be at the level of Muno's brash or spire, but he should be just a level below that where he is very effective. It's more getting through the rest of the regular season where I am my worries where yeah, you play almost every day, you've got stretches like you've had over the course of this year and as of recently where you have seventeen games in seventeen days, and that's where it really starts to bulk up in terms of that bullpen usage, where you start to have to dip into the back end of the bullpen, and that's where it can get a little bit terrifying is not the right word, but it gets a little antsy. So if you're out there and you have some concerns about the Mariners' bullpen the rest of the year, those are totally fair. They're warranted. I think TJ and I both have some level of concern about what the bullpen is going to look like the rest of the way, But doesn't change the fact that they absolutely crushed this deadline. 00:38:04 Speaker 1: Yeah, so again that right there is the difference between the A and the A plus. But that's fine because at least for right now, they did upgrade enough in other areas like to hopefully offset what they've done, So that's good. And I really the more I think about it, the only leverage arm I think they were truly price wise, would have been interested in and was Betnar and that's it. 00:38:31 Speaker 2: Price wise, Yeah, but the player themselves, I mean, yeah, I'm pretty sure they loved Griffin Jacks. How could you not? Which let me throw this one little tidbit in here too, and it made me think about this the longer the trade sat there and kind of marinated. Any world the Rays are about to try to turn Griff and jacksonto a starter. 00:38:58 Speaker 1: I don't know if I'd be able to answer with any confidence one way or the other. 00:39:02 Speaker 2: I only ask that because why did they make this trade? I understand that Jacks is two and a half years of club control, but this is a weird time for the Rays to be not only making this trade, but up against the clock of the deadline, where things are getting really tight and things get very stressful, and sometimes people make stupid decisions at the trade deadline across the league, and sometimes you overpay. I'm just trying to think about why they would do this here and now I'm not saying the race seek it into the playoffs, but I mean, Jordan Hicks had never started. It's the same idea. 00:39:38 Speaker 1: Yeah, and Clay Holmes did the same thing. No, I started not in the leagues. 00:39:43 Speaker 2: I wonder if they're looking at that sort of thing with Griffin Jacks, because otherwise, why are you up against the clock desperate to go get a bullpen. Arm Passing was on Baseball Tonight this afternoon and called it the most surprising deal of the deadline, because, yeah, it doesn't make a ton of sense why the Rays went and did this. Now. I think they have some longer term plan built out for Jacks, because to just go and get a reliever in a year where I'm not even sure they're true contenders, It's not impossible, but they're not exactly lighting the world on fire. They traded away Jose Cabierro, who's leading the league in stolen bases. They send him to the Yankees in Division. I don't know, like it feels to me that because of the club control Jacks has, there's some longer term plan built out with him that the Rays have where they're gonna try to build him up into a starter moving forward, maybe for a season and a season and a half, and then, like the Rays do, before he hits free agency, they'll trade him again. 00:40:36 Speaker 1: And get maximum value back for him. I'll tell you who I know probably will become a starter. It's Mason Miller. Mason Mills going back to be a starter. You think he's gonna the Padres. Speaking of adding bullpen arms, Padres added a lot of bullpen arms too. Their bullpen is it's pretty good. But I think for Mason, at least in the Mason Miller sense, I don't think they didn't trade Leo Devers, who's the number three prospect the way if you wanted Mason Miller, you would have had to trade Cole Emerson to go get him, And I don't think anyone wants to do that. 00:41:07 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I know, guys that were all about the team being all in and being serious about this year and being serious about. 00:41:12 Speaker 1: Winning, and we all are. 00:41:14 Speaker 2: We'll stamp that, but there has to be some level of reason to it. No, you're not trading Colt Emerson for a reliever like as good as Mason Miller is and as much club control as he has, as awesome as he is, you're not trading Colt Emerson to do that. And I know nobody wants to hear about people being prospect huggers because a lot of prospects don't work out and the hit rate on prospects is obviously low. There's there's a difference between everybody that goes into a general bucket of prospects and the guys that you believe that can be true difference makers long term. There is a difference. Colt Emerson is by the definition of prospect, but you know, the Mariners and the rest of baseball view him as somebody who can truly be an impact, impact player long term. And when you have a guy like that, now you're not trading him for a reliever, like. 00:42:02 Speaker 1: Not at all. But Mason Miller has started in the past, which is why I say that. And when you throw one hundred and four, you could probably comfortably sit ninety seven ninety eight as a starter. Most likely it. 00:42:14 Speaker 2: Didn't exactly go swimmingly the first go around as a starter for Mason Miller was. 00:42:19 Speaker 1: His relief efforts this year also haven't gone swimmingly. So and if you're gonna get, if you're gonna give up a top three prospect, might as well trycause otherwise then the value doesn't make sense. 00:42:35 Speaker 2: But if you're trading DeVries, who I know we're getting into prospect talk here, but just bear with us, because we talk about him because he's one of the best prospects in baseball, which is why it was shocking he was dealt. If you want pitching and you're the Padres, why would you not start a package with him next winner to go get Trek Scogle. 00:42:55 Speaker 1: Ask aj Prewler. 00:42:57 Speaker 2: I mean for a guy that again is an unproven starter in Mason Miller, Scooble could even be a crazy one. I don't know if he gets traded or not. I don't know if the Tigers are gonna resign him. That's why I floated out there. Why wouldn't you go float Devres out for Joe Ryan like as. 00:43:18 Speaker 1: Their friend Peter Rapples said, Lyle send whoever orchestrated this trade to jail. 00:43:27 Speaker 2: I mean, that was crazy. That was a really it was a crazy day. It was a crazy deadline day. It was a really fun one though. All Right. 00:43:34 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, do you have any other takeaways? 00:43:37 Speaker 2: I do, but I want to take a quick pause because I want to talk to you guys about you know, our friends over at Pigatcha's Pub eighty five. What do we say the other day? We're gonna say it again. You want to watch this Mariners team moving forward. Yes, you do. Everybody does. And if you want a spot to go hang out and watch the games, head over there. You can hang out with your friends. There's twenty TVs in the place to watch the games, watch a bunch of different sporting events. NFL seasons right around the corner, you guys. Preseason starts in just a couple so there's gonna be a bunch of stuff you can go watch, especially sports wise. You can go have some great food. 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Yes, the Dodgers not really, Brewers, No, Cubs, not really. 00:45:03 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm surprised the Cubs didn't get more aggressive. 00:45:07 Speaker 1: Giants sold like it was kind of kind of a mid deadline for the National League, but the American League Blue Jays pushed in for Shane Bieber, the Rays again shockingly being aggressive. 00:45:22 Speaker 3: Well, even the Angels bought losers. Did you see the report that was like they won on like they won Tuesday night, and that changed the front office's mind from selling is like now we're gonna buy. 00:45:38 Speaker 1: And what did they do? They went out and they acquired like a couple of middle relievers. 00:45:45 Speaker 2: Who runs that franchise? I mean, I know who runs it, but like even when you get past Artie moreno, who is in there with him making these decisions? It is legitimate insanity. 00:45:54 Speaker 1: People who like their jobs. 00:45:56 Speaker 2: I mean, I feel seriously awful for Angels fans, how like, and I know we've and I know because we've dealt with it in our lives, total incompetence in the two thousands and a lot of the twenty tens watching the Mariners. How do you cope with this? It is it is unfathomable watching that team operate. It's it's insane. 00:46:18 Speaker 1: It's not good. 00:46:19 Speaker 2: Meanwhile, since you mentioned the National League wasn't doing a whole lot of buying, can I actually send a text really quick? I just want to take a pause. Dear Kyle, there is one team who took their trade deadline extremely seriously. The team you are playing on right now did nothing but sit on their hands and say, eh, we don't need much. That sounds like one team is more serious about winning than the other. Consider that this winner, your buddy Lyle from the Marine Layer pot. All right, we can get back to podcasting now. 00:46:58 Speaker 1: Okay, what other takeaways? Okay, let's talk about Caleb Ferguson. Caleb Ferguson. Here's what I expect from Caleb Ferguson. The stuff is pretty good. He was. He's been very productive this season, which is good. He's a lefty, which is also important because the Mariners don't have a lot of lefty pitchers period. I think Gabe Spire is the only one right now. So now you have a second one with Caleb Ferguson, and he's been productive enough to the point where he's Gabe's gonna be the leverage lefty. Caleb's gonna be the lefty you throw when you don't want to use Gabe but you do want to use lefty and you have a lead, which is good. You can probably expand his role a little bit beyond that. But they have versatility now to use a lefty whenever they want in the bullpen, and they don't have to save a lefty. They don't have to think about, oh, maybe we'll use Trent Thornton instead because his splits against lefties the last three weeks have been good. No, they have an actual lefty now that they can go use in the bullpen. The thing that makes Caleb Ferguson so good is he does not get hit hard at all. He's not the biggest strikeout guy in the world. He's not not gonna walk anybody. But what he does do is that guys do not hit him hard at all, and that's pretty valuable, and it just gives them a little bit more of a strategical flavor in that bullpen that they can go to. It's gonna help out. I don't think it's the biggest need for this bullpen of what they needed at this deadline, but I do think it improves them and makes them better. 00:48:26 Speaker 2: Can I throw you a fun Caleb Ferguson's that. 00:48:30 Speaker 1: Sure. 00:48:31 Speaker 2: I'll actually give my buddy John the credit for sending me over this. And I mean, you know him, he's you know, he's kind of a mutual friend of yours now too. But anyway, he sent me this after the trade and I said, oh, you know what, that's actually pretty interesting. So Adrian Morrihane of the Padres, who made the All Star Game this year and it has been awesome, is first in baseball in both average exit velocity and hard hit rate on Baseball Savant. He doesn't get hit hard either. He's had an awesome year. Another due, who's a pretty crafty lefty, you know who's second in both those categories. Caleb Ferguson, that's pretty good. 00:49:08 Speaker 1: Listen to these numbers. I mean, the average eggs at velocity is eighty three and a half, which is really good. That's one hundredth percentile. 00:49:16 Speaker 2: Hundred percent percentile by the way. For anybody who doesn't constantly check baseball savan, that's nuts noths the best. I mean that means you are elite of elite. You are a one percent of one percent in that category. Again, he's second in. 00:49:29 Speaker 1: Baseball ninety seventh percentile barrel rate, meaning guys aren't scoring it up and hitting it in the air and hitting it hard. He's got one hundredth percentile hard hit rate and he's got eighty six percentile ground ball rate. Excellent results. Those are the results you want. You either want we contact on the ground or you want swing and miss, and Caleb fills out one of those categories, that's for sure. And again for the price, you don't have to give up anything, so that's good. 00:49:57 Speaker 2: I mean, Jeter Martinez, we know as a lottery tech. That's a true lottery ticket of a prospect because he has run it up to one hundred before the Mariners gave him some decent money when he signed as an international free agent. But he's a long way away. He's not like he's lighting it up. It's it is a true lottery ticket by every sense of the Pirates said we'll take a chance. 00:50:17 Speaker 1: The Mariners did trade away Pablo Lopez again. 00:50:20 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's run with that narrative. Yes, please throw more than eight innings. Caleb Ferguson, don't be David Phelps. We beg you. But I'm excited to see what he can do. I mean, if you just want one more number, I'll stop throwing numbers of people about him after this. But his expected era is two eighty six, so he's actually been a little bit unlucky this year. His numbers should be even better than they are in the end. You're not gonna see him rack up a ton of strikeouts. You're not gonna see him get a ton of swing and miss. He will make his money by putting having opponents putting balls on the ground softly and getting outs. That's what he'll do. And I don't really care how you get outs as long as you get him. You don't have to strike guys out in a non leverage role. If you get outs, it's totally fine with me. And I think he is going to help this bullpen very significantly. He's not elite. There's a reason he wasn't valued like Griffin Jacks was, but he's very good. He's good. 00:51:11 Speaker 1: Any other takeaways we have how this team stacks up with the rest of the American League. 00:51:17 Speaker 2: Oh, I'll do one more Caleb Ferguson thing before we get to that's supposed to be a really nice Dude's supposed to be an awesome dude. Our friends over at buck o' Banner who are also part of Just Baseball and do an awesome Pirates podcast, we did some social content with them when they were here over the fourth of July. That was on our social channels. We were like naming random Mariners and Pirates. Maybe you guys saw it. Those guys are great, but they said Caleb Ferguson's the man. They said, we loved talking to Caleb Ferguson. So yeah, I hope he's a cool dude when we get to meet him. So we love relievers perfect. I mean, relievers are great because they have time to just kind of hang out and screw around until they actually have to get in the game. So yeah, shout out, shout out to them. How they stack up against the rest of the American League. I mean, there's a real argument that the lineup could be the best one in the American League. Right. It's not definitive, but there's an argument. 00:52:05 Speaker 1: It's them of the Yankees right now. It's not the Astros, it's not the Rangers, it's not definitely not the Red Sox, maybe not the Blue Jays. 00:52:16 Speaker 2: But even when you get past Aaron Judge when he's healthy for the Yankees, like, then what that the lineup's not that deadly. I mean, of course Judge himself is deadly. But guess what if you face Aeron Judge in the postseason, he's gonna be Abe Toro. So it's fine. So you get past Thereon Judge in the postseason, and you know who else are you looking at? I'm up and down the list. Paul Goldschmidt one oh nine ops plus. He's been fine. I mean Anthony Volpi. I've seen Yankees fans calling for his head. No good, I mean he's been I. 00:52:46 Speaker 1: Mean he is not off here for Volp, Yeah. 00:52:49 Speaker 2: I mean Jason Dominguez one oh five ops plus, Ben Rice one fifteen. Cody Bellinger has been good, and we'll give him that. 00:52:56 Speaker 1: But like that's not good too. Who try and Grisham? 00:53:02 Speaker 2: Oh sorry, okay, So Bellinger, Grisham and Josh Chisholm, those guys have been good players. But that's not a world beater lineup. Again, if the Mariners take our advice and do what we say every time they face the Yankees and put up four fingers every time Aaron Judge stepped to the plate and have somebody else beat you like, it's not that imposing of a lineup. 00:53:22 Speaker 1: No, it's not so, then you could sit here and you could make a solid argument that the Mariners had the best lineup in the American League and when they're on the best rotation. But the problem is, the Mariner's rotation hasn't shown us that they're the best in the American League this year, but they still could in the final two months. I think that's i'd see my final takeaway. You have every reason in the world to be excited about this team. Yeah, in the final two months of the season. The expectation for every fan out there now that the deadline is over, regardless of how anxious you are about them acquiring or not acquiring the right bullpen arms, this team is good enough to make the playoffs. They need to go do it. 00:54:01 Speaker 2: Yep. 00:54:02 Speaker 1: The front office has done their job to put enough talent on this team in a position in a week. American League a week American League with the Astros being desperate with Korea the Rangers. The Rangers upgraded a little bit. They're right there with you for this final wildcard spot or whatever wildcard spot you're chasing. But man, I'm taking the Mariner's roster. The Mariners roster feels better than these other teams. They just need to go do it now. 00:54:31 Speaker 2: I'll give the Rangers a little bit of credit because they went and got Merril Kelly when they know Jack Lder and Kumar Rocker on innings limits, so they did upgrade their rotation. They got a couple real bullpen arms. I mean, they got Danny Colomb. They got Phil Mayton, who are another couple of guys who are not in that a level leverage reliever category and not the type of guy the Mariners seemed like they were that interested in paying the price for because they didn't feel like it was going to change the needle of their roster that much. But they're good relief film Aton's had a really good year, so sure they made some upgrades. Their overall roster still hasn't been great this year. It still has a flurry of problems. Their offense has had a whorldwind issues. So I know they're hot right now, doesn't mean they'll keep it up. And the Astros, man, I mean, you could throw up and I'm desperate sign on their head. I'm not saying they're gonna miss the playoffs, but they have had so many injuries. Eastock Parade's may not even come back this year. You're on Alvarez. It's still taking a long time. And I know that people are excited about the whole Carlos Korea trade because he's such a name brand and he's going back to where he's spent most of his career. Guys, if we're gonna go away from the name brand thing here and we're just gonna go off of objective production. In terms of what the guy's done this year, Carlos Correa has put up zero point one war in what's been ninety three games so far, He's got a one oh two ops plus, Like they're not getting they're not getting Gino here or not. I know, Carlos Korea is a huge name, but he hasn't been that great this year. He's aging, he's often injured, and the Astros now have to take on a monstrosity of a contract that's all. That's gonna keep him there a long time, and eventually it's gonna move him to a position that he's never played in third base, because Payne is the shortstop when he gets back. Like I get, it's exciting. From a pr perspective, I wouldn't look at that Carlos Korea trade and said, oh my god, oh no, here come the Astros. Mm I like and that was sure. And then they got hey, sus Sanchez, who isn't all that good. He can't defend, he's not a great hitter. Like whatever, I'm not that inspired by the Astros. They look desperate. 00:56:38 Speaker 1: So all of what Lyle just said should make you very excited and have high expectations on what the Mariner should do. 00:56:44 Speaker 2: For sure, no doubt. All Right, this is a fun episode. Now they gotta go play. It's gonna be fun. On Monday, we will do a mailbag episode. We're gonna do our final trade deadline wrap up and answer a bunch of the questions that you guys have, because again we owe you guys a couple mailbags and we want to take your questions. So we're gonna do that. That'll be on Monday. We're gonna record it a little bit early, a little bit of a spoiler, a little bit of behind the scenes. TJ and I are going to be in California for a wedding this weekend, so we're gonna take all your questions. We're gonna answer them, and then we'll be back normal programming when we get back on Wednesday, then we'll recap everything that's happened in the first week with Gino on the Mariners and all that good stuff. So it'll be fun. But we want to answer all your questions. So it works out that we're gonna take a bunch from you guys and get your final thoughts on the trade deadline as we move forward, and it's a really forward with a really exciting Mariners team, so it should be good send us to questions, all right, that just about doesn't for this. 00:57:37 Speaker 1: Can I just say thank you all so much for the support during this deadline, like talk about like exceeding our expectations with support and engagement and views and all that insanity. It was fabulous. Thank you guys, Thank you seriously. 00:57:53 Speaker 2: We I mean, there's a reason we say every single show, thank you guys for tuning in. It's it's not just because we put it in some one line or like we mean it like all of your guys' support, like like it supports us. Yeah, I mean life, Yeah, it supports us. And and like it, I mean it makes our day every time any any comment of people wanting to talk baseball or any you know, like on a video or any engagement that people give us that watch or certainly the people that we meet at the ballpark. Again, there's there's a reason we spend a lot of time like walking around the park and and and talking all these Mariner fans, I mean number one, because when it all comes down to it, we're just lovers a ball like everybody else is, and like talking baseball with people. That's the biggest reason we do it. But we also do it so we can like talk to the people that engage with us, because we don't want it to just be some you know kind of like what do you what do you call it, like a what do you call the retractable not a retractable bridge, like you know the drawbridge, Yeah, drawbridge, Not like a drawbridge where like it goes up and it's such a you know, distant dynamic between us and like listeners on is. 00:59:03 Speaker 1: What you're referring to. 00:59:05 Speaker 2: Emote, sure the point, The point being is like we genuinely love talking to people in person and talking baseball with people in person because like we want to connect with people. That's that's what's so fun about all this, as great as the online engagement stuff is, and we cannot appreciate what you guys do for us enough. Like that's why we like to do it in person too. We like to hear the things you guys have to say in person. We try to do as best a job as we can doing it through the podcast with the mail bags and responding to dms and emails and things like that, but the most fun of it is when we do it in person. So there's a reason we like to talk to all you guys and interact with so many of you guys. It's been great. But all that being said, all the support during the deadline has been amazing, So shout out to you guys. All right, that just about wraps up this edition of the Marine Layer podcast. You guys know the drill. If you want to find all of our stuff, it's at our website marinelierpod dot com. All the episodes are there. If you're listening, please download, rate and review five stars. It helps us show a bunch. If you're watching on YouTube, like comment and you see the subscribe button right in front of you, just click it. That's the best way you can support the channel. Hit subscribe on YouTube. Go get your merch. There's a ton of merch on the website. 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