Episode 3: Taking A Look At FA SS Trea Turner, Kyle Lewis Traded To Arizona, And Sifting Through Offseason Rumors.

00:00:00 Speaker 1: Episode number three of the Marine Layer Podcast with TJ. Matthewson and Lyle Goldstein. On today's pod, we'll talk about Kyle Lewis getting traded to the Arizona Diamondbacks. We'll take a look at the free agent profile of former Dodgers shortstop Trey Turner. We'll take a look around baseball at the MLB wrap around. Geo Urshela traded to the American League West. He's now a Los Angeles Angel, and then we'll finish up the episode with speak your Mind. With that, let's get rolling, and we welcome you into episode number three of the Marine Layer Podcast. TJ. Matthewson and Lyle Goldstein on a gloomy Thanksgiving week, two days before Thanksgiving, looking forward to Thanksgiving coming up here in a couple of weeks before we get into baseball. It just feels so much better being a champion, Lyle, being on top of everything, I think from up here, saying that you won something like winning a college fantasy championship, I think it means so much more sitting here today being able to say I'm number one. 00:01:20 Speaker 2: I'm tired of losing in this league. 00:01:22 Speaker 1: One. 00:01:25 Speaker 2: I'm so tired of losing in this league every year. My top score does not play in the round that I lose in the playoffs every year. I'm tired of it. 00:01:36 Speaker 1: It's awful. Fantasy football is difficult college fantasy when you don't know injuries. I was, you know, I cover Oregon State for those listening who aren't aware, and it's rivalry week and I'm listening to Dan Lanning of the Oregon Ducks today talk about injuries. And he's the sort of guy who he won't say anything. He'll just say someone will ask him something, it will just shake his head. That's it. So it just makes it a lot more difficult, different than the NFL. Regardless, lyle on the podium but in second place. Unfortunately stinks to be that way. One of these years, I think you might break through. Dog, Let's get to the baseball. On this edition of the Marine Layer Podcast. Last week, Kyle Lewis traded to the Arizona Diamondbacks. The twenty twenty American League Rookie of the Year is no longer a Seattle Mariner. I'm really bummed to see Kyle go. Great guy, always smiling when healthy. Was that guy on this roster that you really wanted to tune in and watch. I remember during that twenty twenty season, I always wanted to flip on the Mariner game, even though I didn't really want the Mariners to win that year, I wanted to watch Kyle Lewis. He made the game a lot more fun when he was on, when he was hitting home runs, when he was playing well in center field, and it's unfortunate to see his Mariner's career go out this way. 00:03:02 Speaker 2: Kyle Lewis is such an easy guy to root for, and he works so hard. He truly cares. You could tell changing the culture in Seattle meant something to him. He desperately wanted to be a part of that, along with the fact he's just been through so much in his career with all the injuries, specifically to that knee. But that being said, I think it was just time for a change on both sides. 00:03:24 Speaker 1: It was, and you could tell from what they got for him. I think rookie technically twenty eight year old outfielder Cooper Hummel, who's a catcher and an outfielder. We'll talk about him a little bit, but you could see where that's the kind of value they got for Kyle Lewis, I would imagine his value around the league wasn't too high for a guy coming off a season in eighteen games, hit just one forty three two twenty six, three h four, A, fifty four OPS plus, fifty six WRC plus, and hit just three home Those three home runs all coming in an early stint in the year before he got a concussion, and then he comes back and was just bad. He was bad. 00:04:11 Speaker 2: Do you remember him trying to run around in the outfield for the couple games they put him out there. 00:04:16 Speaker 1: It is bad. It was hard to watch. 00:04:18 Speaker 2: He couldn't move. Now, from a baseball perspective, of course, you just want the guy to do well, and we're going to do nothing but wish him the best. But if you're just looking objectively, this guy has chronic borderline non repairrable knee issues in that knee, and it's hard to imagine he's going to be anything much more than a DH at this point. I'm sure Arizona's going to give him the chance to start and play the outfield, but it's just hard to imagine he can really endure a full season out there. 00:04:46 Speaker 1: And it's good for Kyle that the new rules came into place where all thirty teams now have a DH opposed to just the American League. Otherwise it would have probably been even harder to trade Kyle right now, and it sounded like this was a relationship that needed to end. We don't know all the insight, but the relationships seemed to have soured between the two sides. On the Mariner's side them not really happy maybe with his rehab process and how he's dealing with the injury and sort of just frustrated that he's not getting better, and Kyle on the other side saying, well, maybe being more precautionary than the Mariners wanted to, which would lead him to getting traded And would kind of make sense because you and I were talking when he got sent down in the middle of the season to Triple A, why wasn't he playing? He was healthy, quote unquote, but he wasn't playing down in Tacoma for weeks, it seemed like, until he got into a couple of games towards the end of the year, but didn't really do that well when he was in Tacoma either. 00:05:46 Speaker 2: Do you remember how much disconnect and miscommunication there seemed to be between front office and player on Kyle Lewis's whole recovery from this knee injury. Because if you remember, leading up to the start of the twenty twenty two season, you listen to people like Ryan Divish talk about how yet he just doesn't really want to talk about this injury. In fact, he won't talk about it. We've asked him, but he won't say anything. Then you'd listen to Jerry Depoto on the radio or during interviews. He'd get asked questions like, hey, what's the status of Kyle Lewis, And Jerry would say things like, well, he's got a very specific group of people around him. He works with specific doctors and trainers. It's kind of in Kyle's court, which was always a little weird that the president of Baseball Operations didn't seem to know exactly where his progression was and that kind of signal maybe there was some disconnect. 00:06:37 Speaker 1: Yeah, and another thing to think about with this roster. We had this question at the end of the off season, like where was he fitting on the roster? Here the outfielder's currently on the Mariners roster right now, Julio, Jared Kelnick, Tioscar Hernandez, Sam Haggerty, Jesse Winker low, which outfielder would he make it on the roster over that's not even throwing in Dylan Moore, right, Yeah, exactly, there's not. 00:07:01 Speaker 2: Really a spot, especially for a guy that doesn't seem like he's going to play the field much anymore. I know people don't like using the word logjam, especially people on Mariners Twitter when you talk about the Mariners outfield, but when you're talking about Kyle Lewis, he is down on that depth chart. So yeah, it makes sense they wanted to send him to a place where he could get a fresh start and who who knows, maybe Cooper Hummel can turn into something. 00:07:24 Speaker 1: And there's some interesting things on Cooper Humble, especially while his walk rate. He had a really good walk rate, and I think that's one of the reasons why the Mariners traded for him in the first place. If you look at his projections. Fangrafts does their projections towards every season. Despite Humble scuffling this year, in his about sixty games of major league playing time, he slugged just three to zero seven, hit just one seventy six with a sixty five WRC plus. He had a walk rate of nearly twelve percent, And you know, for a guy who doesn't hit very well, it's kind of impressive that you're still able to manage walk rate like that when you're somewhat of an easy out. 00:08:05 Speaker 2: He walked at a high rate through every level of the minor leagues. He also hit at every level of the minor league. So sure he didn't hit great in his first big league stint, but there's a lot of time in front of him, so it's encouraging to see that he walks a lot. I'm sure the Mariners like that. It's encouraging to see that he can hit, and with his versatility, never know what he might become. 00:08:25 Speaker 1: And in Triple A he hit in a very favorable Triple A environment. The Angels, or sorry, the Diamondbacks, Triple A affiliate, plays in Reno. Reno's at elevation. They're I think over a mile above sea level, higher than Denver, probably up near where Mexico City a Monday night football yesterday. I believe Mexico City is at I think six or nine thousand feet, I'm not sure, but it is high up there. It's above Denver. Reno's in the same ballpark. In terms of a hitter's environment. That environment really encompasses what the PCL is of just a hitter's paradise. And Cooper Hummel really did well there at a one thirty eight WRC plus and walked fifteen percent of the time for Reno. So you like that. There's things you like. And there's this quote that stood out to me when looking at looking up Cooper Hummel. It so obviously we didn't know a whole lot about him, saying Kyle Lewis's value is probably about as low as he could possibly be. Trading for a guy who's maybe not even on your forty man entering spring training. We'll have to see. We don't even know if he'll make the twenty six man roster. We don't have any idea about that. But the quote I laughed at analysts love him and scouts don't, which I think is really funny because it kind of relates back to how our friend group talks about baseball but essentially liking his at bats but hating his swing per se like like scouts, the knockout him when he came out of the University of Portland was they didn't really like his swing. But his approach was good. Now, it's kind of a balancing act because if your swing sucks, then you're not going to make a big league roster and you're not going to six eat in the big leagues, as you know it showed this year. But maybe there's something there. Jerry likes. 00:10:06 Speaker 2: Kevin Euclis didn't have a good swing, No he didn't. The Greek god of walks worked out for him. Man who else said a terrible swing man? 00:10:17 Speaker 1: There's gotta be some I could think of. Well, there's plenty of mariners who had terrible swings because this franchise is stunk forever. Mike Sanino swing wasn't very good, but he still had a lot of home runs. What about how about the be All end All? 00:10:30 Speaker 2: How about Craig Council. 00:10:32 Speaker 1: Yeah, his swing wasn't great, but it was like unique though he was also an on bass guy, was he not? And a higher average guy? 00:10:40 Speaker 2: Mm hmm. 00:10:41 Speaker 1: So it doesn't have to be perfect, right. Baseball is a very unique sport. Fat people like Dan Vogelback can play the game as well as ultra athletes like Julio. I mean, that's what it is. It's a it's a it's a unique sport. But regardless, I I just want to about I feel so bad for Kyle Lewis. I feel I wish him all the best, but I just don't like how his health was trending. I don't like how the relationship with the Mariners was trending. There's power in that bat. I mean, this guy plays. Let's say he hits for a league average, he makes contact at a league average rate and doesn't strike out too much. There's thirty homer power in that bat if he plays a full season, like especially playing in that ballpark that is a thousand feet of elevation. Who we're speaking of elevation Chase Field in Phoenix at elevation as well, good hitters environment for him. Hope you get some sunshine while he's down there. 00:11:40 Speaker 2: Emotionally it can be tough in draining, but logically, in most people's heads, I think this move made sense. Yeah, last thing on Cooper Hummel before we transition. I think the most important thing here too. Guy's a huge Mariner fan. 00:11:55 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yep, yep, I saw that. Yeah, that was funny. Mariners Twitter was digging up tweets of his from fourteen. I think his words for Brad Miller was superstar, which is funny. 00:12:09 Speaker 2: I think it's exact words were. I guess I can't quote him perfectly. It was something along the lines of if you're jumping on the Brad Miller bandwagon, now you're a fake Mariner fan, hashtag he's elite, or something along those lines, which to be Brad Miller was really good early on in his career. 00:12:27 Speaker 1: That's yeah, that's so funny because I'm trying to see if I can do a quick find of it. I don't think I can find it. However, what's funny is I remember saying the same thing back in that twenty thirteen season. Me and my dad my brother sat around a table and we talked about this, Okay, who's gonna make the All Star Game? First, Brad Miller, Nick Franklin or Kyle Seger. I can't remember which one I took, but it seems like Cooper was having the same discussions about that trio of Kyle Good the other ones pretty bad infielders for the Mariners in twenty thirteen, which is funny. So I can officially say one of us, one of us. So that's good to see for Cooper Humble glad he is back home at te Mobile Park, per se. 00:13:15 Speaker 2: Jerry Depoto loves to bring in these local guys that are Mariner fans. Matt Boyd was on the roster in twenty twenty two, Jake Lamb was on the roster for a little bit, Steven Souza now Cooper Humbles. So it's always nice to have some Mariner ties. But those guys are all local. I'll tell you a guy who's not very local. O TJ. That's Tray Turner. As we transition into our free agent profile for this week, we're going to focus on the now former Dodgers shortstop who's been one of the best players in baseball throughout really the last four seasons. He's about as far away from the Pacific Northwest as you can get in terms of where he grew up because he's from Florida. That being said, I'd say just about everybody in baseball is interested in his services. The Mariners have, as reported, check on him. Now that could mean a whole variety of things, but say they're really serious about him, how does he fit this team? 00:14:08 Speaker 1: He could fit in a number of ways. I think the number one fit, which I thought was interesting when I was looking at this. You know, he didn't actually hit leadoff for a majority of his games as a Dodger last year. He hit second and third more times than he did hit first. But I see him here as a potential leadoff hitter for the Mariners, which is why you know, you don't want to lock guys into a spot. But the guy is as fast as possible. He had a success rate on stolen bases last year ninety percent. He was twenty seven of thirty on stolen bases last year. Not the biggest on base guy, but it'll hit for a high average, mostly because of that speed. His speed is Julio level bit faster, right, and Julio we talk about all the time because he's essentially a cyborg. But Trey is just fast, and he's fast for a nearly thirty year old guy. So that's that's interesting. I do have the breakdown here of Turner in batting spots this year, only twenty three games in the leadoff spot for the Dodgers. Who did they lead off instead? Do you remember it was? 00:15:15 Speaker 2: It was Mooki. So what I'm goking was, that's a pretty good. 00:15:18 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll say that's pretty good alternative. 00:15:21 Speaker 2: So but it's kind of the same idea where if the Mariners were to sign him, you don't necessarily have to hit Trey Turner leadoff. Just how Mooki and Trey hit one two in LA. It could be Julio Trey one two in Seattle, with Julio staying in the number one spot. 00:15:36 Speaker 1: Right, And it would make sense if you look at Trey's slash line two ninety eight, three forty three, four sixty six, thirty nine doubles, twenty one home runs, a one twenty one ops plus one twenty eight WRC plus in twenty twenty two. But he really made his money last year Lyle, when he got traded with Max Scherzer over to the Dodgers. He hit this mine is just boggling three twenty eight, three seventy five, five thirty six for you know, a smaller guy, nearly seven wins from fangrafts, one forty two WRC plus thirty two of thirty seven stolen bases, and was a real big key the last two seasons for two of the best Dodger teams that franchise has ever had. I know, they didn't win a championship but they won more games and were more elite and more spots than lots of teams that have won championships in baseball history, and Trey Turner was a big part of that. Just mind boggling hiss. Think Corey Seeger and him shared an infield and you have the luxury of picking one of the two, alas the Mariners do have an opportunity here to make him one of two there in the middle of the diamond. 00:16:47 Speaker 2: You know what I love Trey about Trey Turner more than honestly almost any number you can throw at me. There cannot be a person with a smoother slide on the face of the Earth. 00:16:58 Speaker 1: No way, there really is. Yeah, no way, He's great that. I love the little niche that Major League Baseball has dug out of just posting his slides. 00:17:08 Speaker 2: For as many things as the Dodgers are already a lead at they could really put together an all smooth MLB team with Cody Bellinger swinging when he's clicking, Bruce dar grattarols like effortless ability to throw one hundred and two, and then Trey Turner's slide. It's I mean, Cody and Trey now currently are not Dodgers, but for a long time man, those guys are fun to watch for a lot of reasons. But yeah, Trey has an opportunity to kind of pick where he wants to go. Here, I'd say he's the most sought after free agent in this class. Maybe other than Aaron Judge. 00:17:44 Speaker 1: I would agree. I think a lot of it is flash. We could, you know, we could spend a whole episode thinking of which free agent is actually the most valuable. But I think Trey just has like a lot of fits and a lot of things that teams value a lot. You mentioned his slide, there were some really good numbers that David Alder of MLB dot com dug up about his sprint speed. First of all, he is by far the fastest base runner of any of these twenty twenty two free agents. Tray is at number one over thirty feet per second a note thirty feet per second is elite, and he's at thirty point three on the sprint speed in twenty twenty two. Nimo's at twenty eight point seven, Stansby is at twenty eight point four, Vanders at twenty seven point nine, et cetera, et cetera. So easily the fastest guy there. And then it's not just speed where he gets, you know, sprint out of the batter's box and get all the way to second base where he gets you know, one hundred and twenty one hundred and eighty feet to speed up. He's also a big short burst quickness guy. Most stolen bases in twenty twenty two with a thirty feet per second sprint speed, meaning just in the span between first and second or second and third. The Murders if they sign Trey turnod to have the top two guys on the slist. Trey had eight, Julio had four, so I think that's a really fun number as well. And then a couple more. You know, if you talk about hits with an elite sprint speed over thirty, Tray led the way with thirty four. And then if you look at the last three seasons, Trey led the way with seventy seven total hits of that variety speed speed, speed speed. We saw the difference lile this year when the Mariners were able to deploy their two best base runners and two of their faster guys, Sam Haggerty and Dylan Moore in late game situations on the base paths, and it really helps a team that plays as many close games as the Mariners do to manage their guys on the base paths and get in those runs when they need to. Now, if you can get a guy like that to compliment Julio in the lineup every single day that you don't have to rely upon to come off the bench, I think that adds value right there. 00:19:53 Speaker 2: When you looked at everyday starters with this Mariners team that were really good base dealers, it was really just Julio. And if you want to throw in Sam Haggerty and Dylan Moore you can. Although those guys' long term are probably utility players. There are good athletes on this team. JP's a good athlete. He's not much of a base stealer. I still think Kelmick can be a base stealer, but there's not many shoe in base stealers on this team other than Julio. Now you throw Trey Turner into this lineup and you have those guys at the top of the lineup, not just with their power but with their speed, they'd have to be on a mount rushmore of table setters in baseball, right There can't be many other one two punches in Major League Baseball that would be better than those two. 00:20:36 Speaker 1: Right, And if you look at it, Fangrafts loves his base running. I mean they love it. He had a base running runs was worth six and a half this year, which is his highest mark since he was a National in twenty nineteen, and one World Series in that So, I just I love that part of Trey Turner's scheme because I think it's unique opposed to the other shortstops in this class, where we would look at it, it's like, Okay, we want guy that will be out there playing short and slugging the ball. Meanwhile, with Trey, it's like there's a completely different section of his game that is completely unique to the other four shortstops. And I think that's what makes it very intriguing in why he's probably the most sought after free agent. 00:21:19 Speaker 2: If the Mariners were to pay him like a shortstop but had him play second base, do you think he'd agree to come and play in Seattle? And I ask that because Trey Turner actually profiles better as a second baseman than he does as a shortstop. His defensive run saved or much better at second base than at short Most of his best defensive seasons at the sixth spot came in twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen. The last couple of years he's been okay, he hasn't been elite where. I think the Mariners really want to keep JP Crawford at short and will bank on his glove to bounce back. So do you think he'd play second base if they pay him like a shortstop? 00:21:58 Speaker 1: Maybe? Is It's well known he wants to be on the East Coast. He's from Florida. He went to college at NC State. He grew up as a big leaguer in Washington, DC. Seattle's about as far away from Florida as you could possibly get. As we know it's it is hard to get free agents to come here, and it's especially hard to get East Coasters who were born in Florida grew up in Florida to get all the way to the Pacific Northwest. That's a difficult ask. However, if you just ask about a fit, yes, why not? So there's a couple things to look at with Trey and why he's a better fit at second base. He was eightieth percentile and outs above average last year, but low Where did he play last year when he got traded to the Dodgers. 00:22:48 Speaker 2: Last year he was at second base because Corey Seager played. 00:22:51 Speaker 1: Short exactly, so that helped, But then they move him to short This year he was forty seventh percentile at shortstop. And maybe it's not all about his speed and his fundamentals. He doesn't have a great arm. You don't need to have a great arm to be a great shortstop. But if you watch enough Andrelton Simmons highlights, you know, it definitely helps. So you can bail yourself out of some terrible foot orc a ball ranging too deep in the hole. That shortstop turn around and you can just sort of flick your wrist and the ball will sail ninety miles an hour to first base. He doesn't have that luxury. Could you convince him to play second base? Maybe? Would you have to drastically overpay to get him to second base? Perhaps? But that's a good question. That's why we talk about it here on this podcast. 00:23:43 Speaker 2: I think you may have to drastically overpay just to get him to Seattle. For all the reasons you mentioned, it is just hard to get guys, even with the team improving as much as they have up to the Pacific Northwest and as far away from the East coast as you could possibly imagine it is. 00:24:01 Speaker 1: And a couple other things, Lyle, if we want to go back to his to his hitting, because Trady's defense, again, it's fine. It's not bad enough where we're sitting here spending fifteen minutes talking about Xander Bogart's shifted over into second base, because I don't there's not really that distinction with Trey Turner. But we do know that it is possible for a guy who highlights his speed as he ages with a poor arm that could deteriorate as well. And that's sort of the gamble you take when you go with free agents, is they get older much faster than if you just trade for somebody. But back to his bat profile, a couple interesting things I see here, Lyle. He swung more this year than he ever had in his career before. His chase rate and his whiff rate. His chase sorry swinging more in the strike zone more than he ever has, but his chase rate in the thirty ninth percentile this year was not great. His swing percentage in the zone. Fangrafts provides these numbers. I love that they have these numbers because I think it really helps break down the profile of a hitter so outside the zone. This year, oh swing percentage Swinging outside of the zone, Trey Turner swung a career high thirty six percent of the time, up from thirty percent last year and twenty nine percent in twenty twenty. But he also swung out more pitches in the zone two a career high seventy four and a half percent, which I thought was interesting And I'm not sure really what to make of that. I know more to what to make of the outside the zone swing percentage more than in the zone. In the zone shows me a more mature hitter who can see the ball better outside the zone. Though just a little troubling, especially for a guy who doesn't walk much. 00:25:52 Speaker 2: You're making us all smarter with these numbers, TJ. I'll tell you, though, if you were a Boomer, I'd expect you to sit here and say, well, he should just lay down bunts instead. 00:26:03 Speaker 1: To be fair, if there's one guy that I will advocate that could bunt the ball and get away with it at Priby tray Turner, he's fast enough to make up for it. 00:26:12 Speaker 2: He is but again, let's not take away from the power he has. Do you want to be taking that bat out of his hands? 00:26:18 Speaker 1: No, no, you don't. In the right opportunity, I would be okay with it, But you're right, the guy has legitimate power. Legitimate power. Slugged over five hundred last year in a full season, in a down offensive environment he hit. He slugged five thirty. So that's not something that you just find none your everyday speedy shortstop that doesn't grow on trees. So that would be a good part. And if the Mariners somehow sign him, offer him however much he wants, and stick him either at second or short and he's still slugging thirty home runs at T Mobile Park, I'll take it. I'm gonna hold off here on going to the MLB wrap around while I look at what his home runs would have been in T Mobile Park this year. Again, last year hit twenty six home runs. But Baseball Savant does a great job of breaking down home runs by ballpark. I just need to find it here really quick. And in Seattle this year, he would have hit the exact same amount of home runs as he would have hit in Dodger Stadium in fact. So he hit twenty six homers last year. No, sorry, twenty one home runs. I got that number messed up this year. However, if he were to hit in Dodgers Stadium for all one hundred and sixty two games, he would have only hit twenty three home runs as opposed to he would have hit twenty six if he played all one sixty two and T Mobile Park. So maybe it wouldn't be as difficult as an offensive environment shift as it would have as we talked about Lexander Bogart's last week. So that'll be something to think about. As the Trey Turner discourse mules along here in the off season, let's change gears and take a look around baseball with some rumors and signings and trades with the MLB wrap Around. So on the MLB Wrap Around this week A we're gonna start with a rumor. Now it is this point of the offseason where I think rumors have some merit and some don't. There was a rumor that in the same Trey Turner Max Scherzer trade to Dodgers that Max Schuerzer was assured to be a San Diego padre, and that didn't happen. Instead, he was a Dodger. Now there is a rumor out there. Joel Sherman of The New York Post suggested the Mariners lyle have inquired about the availability of New York Yankee second baseman Glaber Torres. I raised my eyebrow at this at first, but I'm honestly, after doing some research intrigued by this. 00:29:02 Speaker 2: I am too. I mean, look, this guy had a four win season this past year. He had a nice bounce back year compared to what the Mariners had at second base this past season. Production wise, it's night and day. I don't know what the package is going to be to have to get Labor Torres, but Labor Torres as the player who started to swing the bat better last year. He profiles great defensively at second base. Yeah, I'm intrigued. 00:29:28 Speaker 1: He's an interesting sort of guy at second base. His defense at second is hit or miss. It's been up and down so career at shortstop a negative twenty four defensive run saved, but this past year was plus nine at shortstop or sorry at second base well ranking so his nine defensive run saved this year ranked fifth among twenty nine second basemen with at least five at least five hundred innings at that position. That was a big improvement from his earlier years. But if you look at his defensive run safe breakdown, it's you know, good bad, good bad, good bad good bad. So it's been kind of inconsistent. But when he's played at second base, over the you know, accumulation of his career, he has been an average fielding second basement. But his bat, you know, there could be some play here too. In his bat it could fall off a little bit at Mobile Park, but there's only allow one second baseman, Brendan Rodgers, who hit the ball harder than him on average. Last year, his hard hit rate was right at forty five percent and Brennan Rodgers was just a hair over that. So that I liked because I look at labor. Torris doesn't seem like a guy who hits the ball too hard, especially with the downer offensive environment, but he did. 00:30:49 Speaker 2: That's a guy that could profile well even if he transitions out of the bamdbox at the Yankee Stadium and into what's more of a pitcher friendly park like Tea Mobile Park. So the hard hit rates go to see. The plus defense in second base is certainly good to see. Now, before we finished this segment up here, I got to throw out a proposal here. If we're talking Glaber Torrens traits, so how about this The Mariners get Glaber Torres and the Yankees get Jesse Winker. 00:31:18 Speaker 1: Well, that sounds great to me, but I don't know how you're going to convince Brian Cashman to do that. I know they need an outfielder. I know they need a lefty outfielder, but man, I like to Glaber still has two years of control left, so he has this year and next year of control. I like your idea, though. If we're talking smart dealing, I actually kind of like that. My one thing with Glaber Torres that we have talked about not on this podcast is how much of a product his early career success was of the juice ball. Listen to these splits from twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen and then the three seasons after that. The first two seasons he slugged five eleven, a w RC plus of one twenty three, the three seasons after that a WRC plus of one oh six, slugging barely over four hundred, and it gets even starker in the last two years away from Yankee Stadium, Glieber Torres has just ten home runs and slugged three point eighty three. So digest that, Lyle. 00:32:28 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's cause for concern. He's not the perfect player. By the way, if people didn't pick up on the jest that I was kind of thrown out there with the Jesse Winker trade. It was proposed on MLB Network this week that the Yankees would give up Labor Torres for Jesse Winker. And you and I saw that and were like, sign deliver this second, like this second. 00:32:51 Speaker 1: I forget the guy's name who proposed that. I'm not I'm not sure. Is he a Yankee guy, is he a met guy trying to troll or was he actually dead serious? I'm not It would take more than that, right, Glabor Torres still has some value, and he's got two years of control. Jesse Winker's value really couldn't be any lower than it is right now. The a guy who is not not hurt, not chronically hurt like Kyle Lewis. But you literally can't play that guy in the outfield. You cannot do it. I'm I'm literally I have PTSD. I'll have PTSD for the next decade of my life. From watching Jesse Winker in the outfield this year. I didn't think it could get worse than watching guys like Mark Trumbo and Raoul labanya Is out there, but man it was. It was closer than you could think. 00:33:43 Speaker 2: Don't forget about Ricky Weeks dropping pop flies and. 00:33:46 Speaker 1: An all time moment. I h I remember that clear as day. I fell on the floor and that that was. That was great, Ricky, You you piece of shit. It's just it was awful. It was awful, so impressibly bad, Ricky impressively bad. 00:34:02 Speaker 2: Maybe the Yankees thought is that Jesse Waker playing left field in New York would be similar to Cincinnati, where any ball that goes over his head is basically a home run. But regardless, I still really wouldn't want him out in left field. So yeah, that was just one trade that was thrown out there. This week, we'll see what happens with Cleveland Torres. 00:34:22 Speaker 1: Not a break in here, dog, I know there's no in his defense. There's not a more forgiving crowd out there than the bleachers at Yankee Stadium. So if he messes up, he'll be forgiven. I know that they'll just. 00:34:35 Speaker 2: Write them notes of endearment. We believe in you. Yeah, thanks for trying. 00:34:39 Speaker 1: Yeah, you need a hug. Free hugs, Jesse, We have you. We'll support you here. 00:34:45 Speaker 2: Just ask Joey Gallo. But to move on here our next topic on the MLB wrap around, There was an actual trade that was made this week in Major League Baseball Geo or Schella, who comes off a good year in Minnesota. He gets traded to the Angels, so the Angels add another bat to their lineup. The catch here is that, with Anthony Rendon already locking down third base, the Angels reportedly on Geo Orchella to play shortstop. So they may have just found their new shortstop for the twenty twenty three season. And it's not a guy that exactly profiles like Andrelton Simmons did. 00:35:25 Speaker 1: No, No, he doesn't have the arm, doesn't have the range. He will hit. There's one thing the Angels did right with this trade. They got a guy who can hit. He's got a little power, and most importantly, he doesn't strike out. So he had a seventeen percent strikeout rate last year. The Angels had a league worst twenty five percent strikeout rate as a team. Last year. So urshela a guy who you can stick in the lineup and hit and not strike out, which is really what they needed. Now, you're I wish they would have. Maybe they're obviously going for bat over positional fit here because we look at his breakdown. So Perrimanation, the general manager of the of the Angels, said he's gonna split time between third, first, short second in outfield, so do just about everything he doesn't. I don't think he's ever played in the outfield. He's played seven career innings at first. He has played twenty three and two third innings at shortstop. In the plus, I mean, if he does eventually play third, he's a plus defender in his career for defensive runs saved at third base. But let's remember Rendon, you're right, he's got four years left on his contract playing third, and guests who plays every day at designated hitter show hey, so I think that's a cure thing to look at again. I don't hate the trade the more I looked into it, but the defensive positioning makes me chuckle a little bit. 00:37:09 Speaker 2: The Angels gave up a minor league pitcher that's pretty far away from the big leagues, So it makes sense if they're trying to win now and do anything possible in a last stitched effort to keep show Hay happy. But this is going to have some ups and downs, to put it lightly, especially since Rochelle has never played the outfield. He doesn't profile well, it's short. It'll be an experiment, let's put it that way. He'll hit, but his defense is going to be a project. 00:37:36 Speaker 1: Well, you just say they're not targeting defense with this trade, which is fine. I mean they had Andrelton Simmons. They weren't targeting for offense for a while and that didn't really work out. So I think they can balance it out a little bit with some hitting as well. I liked you Orchelle as a player. He had a great year in twenty nineteen as a Yankee, and he had a really good year with Minnesota this past season. It's in the division now, so we'll have to root against him. I'm curious to see how he will do there in Anaheim, not Los Angeles, Orange County. Anaheim, so let's remember that. We'll make sure that's straight final topic here on the wrap around. While the Mets speaking to Justin Verlander as a plan B for Jacob de Gram. Eyebrow raised because I see this and I say, well, they're gonna ask for the same price, so why don't you just pay to Graham? Now, Jabram might might not want to go back to New York, we don't know. Keep seeing the Texas Rangers floated around there. I'm gonna be pissed if that's the case. But I thought that was interesting because giving a forty year old, which Justin Verlander will be next season, the forty three million dollars he's going to be asked for probably forty four, Uh, seems suspect. 00:38:53 Speaker 2: Look, it's pretty cool what Justin Verlander proved this year. He comes back from Tommy John, he has arguably the best season of his career. He wins the cy Young wins a World Series. I mean, it was a resurgent year. And then some that being said, he reportedly is looking for a similar deal to what Max Shows are got. Sorry, I'm not paying a forty year old forty five million dollars a year or the forty three million dollars that Max Shows are got. No, thanks, not happening. I know Steve Cohen will spend all the money in the world. But you want to pay a pitcher, just do what it takes to bring to Grom back. I'm not paying a forty year old forty three million bucks. 00:39:28 Speaker 1: So would you rather pay de Gram maybe the fifty million he asks for, or Justin Verlander forty. 00:39:34 Speaker 2: Three de Grom, I mean he's just way younger. I know he's had injury problems, but he's still way younger. 00:39:42 Speaker 1: And I think de Gram's injury problems are honestly a little overrated. Opposed to these last two seasons, He's been about as healthy as they cant like, like, sure he was hurt this year again, but just go look back. I mean he did not miss time. He was a work course when he won his first first two cy Young's. I mean he was great. So you're right. I would overpay for Jacob de Gram to keep him in New York opposed to signing Verlander because we see it with Tom Brady in the NFL. Father time is undefeated. It does not matter how good you look as you age. You could age better than other people, but you will drop off and it usually is hard, very hard. And the last thing you want to do is pay a forty year old forty four million dollars. The contract for Surezer was three years, one hundred and thirty million. Verlander gonna ask for three years. How do you say yes today? How do you do it? I just can't imagine a world where you pay a forty year old a thirty a three year contract and there's just no no way, no way at all. 00:40:52 Speaker 2: One final thing before we move on to speak your mind here. I know we didn't talk about this beforehand, but this has just been itching at me for days now. I got to ask you, have you seen this as Drubal Cabrera video? 00:41:05 Speaker 1: I did? I need I need to rewatch it. 00:41:08 Speaker 2: Okay, So for people that are still craving baseball, there's Winter League action going on right now. A guy hits a huge home run. He flips his bat way into the air. He's jogging down to first base. Pitcher's not happy, and as as drewbil Cabrera, this fucking guy as he's watching the run around first, just left hook with full strength right to the player bench is clear. Brawl ensues. I'm thinking to myself, like, what in the world is this guy doing? I mean, he has to be a huge baseball boomer, much to some of our friends' happiness. I'm sure, yeah, but this guy has to I mean, be anti backflip and you know, play the game with a blue collar right way, because how do you have the presence of mind to throw a left hook at somebody for flipping your bat? 00:42:03 Speaker 1: And it's Winter League, Like, come on, the game's kind of count. I don't know how much the guys get paid to play in that league, but yeah, that video was absolutely crazy. I would absolutely lose it if a guy in the big leagues decided as a first baseman just to throw a left hook at a guy rounding first base. I think that would be hilario. It would honestly be really entertaining TV, and I'm sure the teams would hate each other after. But you know, if Major League Baseball just want to embrace like a move towards the National Hockey League and allow a fighting during a game, you know, it could add some entertainment. I think I would think it's the worst thing in the world. But you're right. The premise of getting pissed off that someone just hit an absolute piss missile off your pitcher and you get all pissed off about It's like throw a better pitch. You can strut all you want. You can grab your nuts and walk around the mound. Okay, great, like. 00:43:03 Speaker 2: You're preaching to the choir again. I'm all for fights in Major League Baseball or really anything that makes it more entertaining. But yeah, the thought process that went behind it, which is, I don't like you flipping your bat when you hit a home run. Like, how are we still in the age where this is a problem. I don't know. If you haven't seen the video, just go watch it. It's hilarious. It's all over Twitter. So that'll wrap up our MLB wrap around segment. Let's get into speak your Mind here, Speak your mind, Spook. 00:43:37 Speaker 1: That would be unwise. 00:43:39 Speaker 2: What is necessary is never unwise. So speak your Mind for those who have not tuned into the show yet, usually gets away from baseball, where TJ and I just talk about what we've been thinking about this last week. So TJ, what's on your mind this week? 00:43:57 Speaker 1: Well, i'd like just to I have some takes lined up here in tune with the holiday. I'd like to just throw some facts out there. These aren't opinions. These are facts when coming to your Thanksgiving meal for us taking place in about forty eight hours, probably a little less than forty eight hours from right now recording here on Tuesday to twenty second of November. If you eat cranberry sauce, you're a psycho. Oh no. If you put marshmallows on top of your sweet potatoes a sweet potatoes, they're okay anyways, but then you put marshmallows on top of them, you should be in jail. You should not be forced to eat turkey on Thanksgiving. You can eat turkey whenever you want. The bird itself is fine, but there's a reason where you know you like pile a bunch of like garlicky buttery mashed potatoes and bread and gravy on top of your turkey, because turkey in itself is just it's fine, So you shouldn't be forced to eat that if you don't want to. For example, my brother Jason, guess what he's making Korean barbecue for Thanksgiving this year. I praise him for that because that sounds delicious. And Thanksgiving you could say it's about food, but it's also about the people you eat Thanksgiving with, So you shouldn't be forced to go buy like a twenty five pound turkey and cook it if you don't want to. That's that's my opinion on the foods. My second one is that the Lions should not be forced to play on Thanksgiving every year. I think it's an absolute disgrace that I'm gonna have to wake up at nine am and watch the Bills beat them by thirty five points and watch Josh Allen just like stomp the Lions defense. I mean, that is just gonna be an absolute disgrace of a game. And I would like to call out Commissioner Kodell for forcing us to watch that slaughter while I eat breakfast. That's my rant. 00:45:58 Speaker 2: The Lions of one three in a row. 00:46:01 Speaker 1: Great, they're not winning this week. 00:46:06 Speaker 2: Probably not. I'm gonna have to log off here in a sec. I think all those points you made are totally valid, especially you don't have to eat turkey. Some people do hams, some people do steaks, some people do other things. 00:46:19 Speaker 1: See get a good flat mignon. 00:46:20 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I've never heard of the marshmallows thing. 00:46:26 Speaker 1: So I heard. 00:46:28 Speaker 2: I haven't done that. 00:46:29 Speaker 1: It's common, it's got My family has never done that, Thank god. I don't think it sounds like yours. Yours hasn't either. But if you just google a picture of sweet potato casserole, that's what pops up. There are marshmallows on top of it. 00:46:43 Speaker 2: The reason I'm gonna have to log off is cranberry sauce is like my favorite part of Thanksgiving dinner. 00:46:51 Speaker 1: But like cranberry suck. So why would you want to make a sauce? 00:46:56 Speaker 2: I couldn't tell you why I like it so much. Yeah, I don't love amberries as a fruit. It's got to be way down on my totem pole. But the Thanksgiving meal version of it, I don't know. I love it. I eat an ungodly amount of it. 00:47:11 Speaker 1: Well, I want to congratulate late you, Lyle. You will be spending Thanksgiving in jail too. It's it's heartbreaking for you. But I hear the I hear the cranberry sauce in jail is very good too. 00:47:25 Speaker 2: Listen, you gotta give it a try. You gotta no have you had to mell it? 00:47:29 Speaker 1: It smells awful. No, I'm not doing it. 00:47:32 Speaker 2: I don't think. I don't think it smells like anything smells bad. 00:47:36 Speaker 1: That's what it smells like. It smells like something I should not eat. 00:47:40 Speaker 2: I think the rest of those opinions are valid. Also, yeah, if we could get a changing of the guard from the Lions on Thanksgiving every year till I don't know, the Packers on Thanksgiving every year, that'd be. 00:47:52 Speaker 1: To a certain extent, like, yeah, why aren't the Packers on there? Like are you kidding me? Like? Is there anything more NFL than the Packers? Not the Lions? They're they're division counterpart. Who's just a joke? I'm also like, would be totally okay if I didn't have to look at Jerry Jones while eating my dinner. Totally fair. Well, what's the what's the third game here on Thanksgiving? Oh, Frauds versus Fraud's Patriots vikings. Yeah, and it feels lucky. It's got so much leeway with fans. 00:48:23 Speaker 2: TJ's really in the Thanksgiving spirit. If you guys can't tell. 00:48:27 Speaker 1: I like to be themed, you do. 00:48:31 Speaker 2: Okay, So my speak your mind this week is not Thanksgiving related, But because it's the final week of season one of and OR, I thought i'd bring this up first few episodes. And keep in mind you and I are both big Star Wars fans. We like all the movies, we like all the shows, et cetera. I was not sold on this show at all through the first four fives. Yeah, at all. And all these people on Twitter are talking about this is easily the best Star Wars TV or movie product they've ever put out. I'm just sitting there watching these episodes. I'm like, I don't see it. It's just kind of boring. But here we are in the final week of season one. I've done a full one eighty. I'm not gonna say it is the best Star Wars production they've ever done. However, it's really good, and I think what really makes it resonate with viewers is it's not Jedis with just mysterious powers and these all world powers or Mandalorians who have these insane skills to shoot guns and have this ridiculous armor. Like, it's just people, and it's people that had to kind of rally together to start the rebellion. And it shows that there are more parts to Star Wars than just the flashy pieces. So it's been pretty cool to watch and see how it unfolds. 00:49:55 Speaker 1: A majority of Star Wars is the one percent of the one percent, that's what it is. Yes, Clones, Mandalorians, you name it luke Lea, et cetera. The one percent of the one percent, you know, all the heroes, all this and we finally get a show that shows us the everyday person in the Star Wars universe, the everyday person and how they were a part of the whole story of the Star Wars revolution and the rebellion and all that stuff, which I think it just makes it so much more interesting. And you also get a little bit attached to characters too, and there's there's there's so many layers to for example, like Cassie and Or's character, there's so many layers there of who he is and how he his morals change around. And I think my my favorite thing about this show it kind of balances the whole Star Wars world out. It shows you that the rebels aren't really great people either they're not and in the moral high tud we don't kill people because that's not the case at all. Yeah, so I think it's it's a it's a fabulous show. I'm looking forward to the finale, which will air tonight. We'll watch it tomorrow and me and you will discuss about that after. And I also think it's really good that the story is sort of chopped up into three episode segments, and you can kind of tell that when they released the first three at once, but they go, you know, first three, second three, third, three, and now we're in the four to three episode segment of the show, and I think it breaks it up really nicely. And I've been just so pleased by the show. 00:51:37 Speaker 2: Great on their pal No, it's just been great again. It's just you didn't know that much about and Or as a character heading into the show because he was only in one movie. But to see how he unfolds and what his role is has been really cool. We're not going to spoil it for anybody listening. There's not going to be any rip my dog Tony Starks on this podcast, but. 00:52:00 Speaker 1: Tony Stark, Yeah, but. 00:52:03 Speaker 2: I would encourage anybody to watch it because it's a good show. 00:52:06 Speaker 1: It is a very good show. And I challenge you, now, Lole, after we're done with this first season, go watch and Or. I watched it again on Saturday, and you understand a lot more and the people behind it, and I think it makes it more entertaining. So we'll get Little's report on that in next week's episode. We thank you for tuning in to this edition of the Marine Layer Podcast. You can follow us on all of our socials at marine Layer Pod. We're on YouTube, We're on Twitter. You can find us across four different podcast platforms, Apple, Spotify, Amazon and Google Podcasts. And again, our video version uploaded on YouTube as well. You can find our short form TikTok short form videos on TikTok as well. We're trying with that. It's an experiment, but we're having some fun creating the short form content and I'll be honestly, when we record that stuff feels a little cringey in the moment, and then you watch it, you produce it a little bit. I think it sounds really good and I'm excited to see how that will grow as we go along. It's been good talking here on this episode. We'll talk to you next week on the Marine Meyer Podcast. I