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00:00 --> 00:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Episode 3, 38 of the Marine Layer podcast.
00:03 --> 00:23 [SPEAKER_01]: We welcome on Seattle Times Mariners beat writer and recurring guest Ryan Davis to talk about the Mariners off season rumors he heard from the winter meetings and which players he thinks will bounce back on the Mariners 2026 Ross are also types and loose ends of that conversation and I'll idea Lyle had when it comes to adding to the Mariners offense.
00:24 --> 00:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, there may be two ideas.
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01:04 --> 01:19 [SPEAKER_01]: And we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Lair podcast part of the just baseball podcast network recording here on Tuesday afternoon December 16th before we jump into our conversation with the great Ryan Divis as always lots of really good information.
01:20 --> 01:21 [SPEAKER_01]: While you have some ideas.
01:23 --> 01:24 [SPEAKER_02]: I have some ideas.
01:25 --> 01:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Do we want to start with?
01:28 --> 01:30 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I'll save the crazy thing for after this.
01:31 --> 01:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Let me spend a minute here.
01:32 --> 01:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Getting.
01:34 --> 01:39 [SPEAKER_02]: semi-serious about what the Mariners could do with their left-handed heavy roster right now.
01:40 --> 01:52 [SPEAKER_02]: We don't have to spend too much time on this, but I put it out on social media earlier this week, and I just talked about with the ideas floating around the Mariners right now and all the left-handed bats they have, and the potential of acquiring more with somebody like Brendan Dottovan.
01:53 --> 02:00 [SPEAKER_02]: I said they probably need some sort of right-handed hitter that can crush lefties to even out the roster a little bit, just so you have somebody to
02:00 --> 02:04 [SPEAKER_02]: doesn't even necessarily have to be platoon, just to put in a lineup when a lefties on the mountain.
02:04 --> 02:10 [SPEAKER_02]: So I threw out a couple of names and I'm not tied to any of them necessarily all that tightly.
02:11 --> 02:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's fair to say the merit is probably some right hand hitter, right?
02:15 --> 02:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, they do.
02:16 --> 02:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Because especially if they're going to go out and get Donovan, it would be lefty of first, lefty of second, lefty of short, potentially a lefty of third of that's Colt Emerson, your catcher switch hits, and then your outfield, I mean you have a righty and lefty of a righty and center, and then you'd have, I guess depending on who you have two lefty in options and rightfield, you have one right-handed option.
02:37 --> 02:38 [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, pretty lefty of me.
02:39 --> 03:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Right, so you don't have to spend crazy money on one of these right-handed bats so you could put on the bench, but there's some names out there from Rob Refts Nighter who we threw out the other day to Andyabanias if you more want a specific infielder that's a right-handed hitter and can hit lefties Miguel and do Harwood be another who he doesn't really play second base, so maybe that throws a wrench into that idea.
03:08 --> 03:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Pick your poison.
03:09 --> 03:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Of those few guys, I think the Mariners could absolutely afford to spend a million and a half to two million dollars on one of those guys on a one year deal, just to make sure you have a way to balance out all the lefties in the lineup a bit.
03:21 --> 03:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Who does this bounce do we think does this bounce master because he's a lefty or if you don't want to bounce Master because he can play all over the place and utility players are valuable and Even if and do hard play is multiple positions.
03:36 --> 03:38 [SPEAKER_01]: He's not exactly a utility player.
03:38 --> 03:47 [SPEAKER_01]: He's not going to he's not going to be great at all of those Visitors at least I don't think so Would you bump Ben Williamson because he only plays third like what do you do but he's a righty right?
03:47 --> 03:48 [SPEAKER_01]: You need more righties
03:50 --> 03:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it feels like it would be MasterBony, maybe Williams, and are though, you're probably gonna need Williams and on the roster to play third base, especially at the start of the year.
03:58 --> 04:09 [SPEAKER_02]: So it feels to me like, it's either MasterBony or in the sequence of trades and acquisitions that you make throughout the offseason remaining, that one of your left hand abats may just get traded as a result.
04:10 --> 04:11 [SPEAKER_02]: so can zone a really.
04:12 --> 04:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Somebody like that, because yeah, those guys don't hit left hand or left hand pitching at all.
04:16 --> 04:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Unless you were to throw one of your prospects into a trade package, but then we're talking bigger names and then the situation changes like if they were to go acquire, oh, I don't know, someone like we'll talk about on Fridays episode, Nico Horner.
04:29 --> 04:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, right, right handed bat plays a position to me and then all of a sudden, you know, Cole Young is a little more expendable at that point.
04:36 --> 04:39 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I mean, there's there's there's certainly options here.
04:39 --> 04:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't hate that idea.
04:41 --> 04:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it does make your roster a little stiff.
04:43 --> 04:45 [SPEAKER_01]: There is value to having a utility player.
04:45 --> 04:58 [SPEAKER_01]: And if you were to have no utility players on your roster, because of him doing some quick roster math here, you have one.
05:00 --> 05:03 [SPEAKER_01]: OK, well.
05:03 --> 05:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
05:04 --> 05:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
05:06 --> 05:14 [SPEAKER_02]: And if you're very specific about wanting an in-fielder for this, that's what a body has would be, because he plays all over the in-field and he'd hit lefties.
05:15 --> 05:25 [SPEAKER_01]: So what you'd have five, I mean, you'd have five outfielders, five in fielders, because you'd have the four and then Abhanya's, and well, where would there be room for Leo Reeva?
05:25 --> 05:30 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, like, of the 12 position players, or has no, you're 13.
05:30 --> 05:32 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, wait, no, there would be room for Leo.
05:32 --> 05:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, happy to math.
05:33 --> 05:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Matthew, Matthew, live on the Marine Lairpot as always.
05:36 --> 05:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Five outfielders, Randy, Julio, Dom, Rayleigh, Robless, five, in fielders.
05:42 --> 05:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's say Ben, JP, are we trading for Donovan or Nika Horner in this situation?
05:49 --> 05:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure, let's say Donovan.
05:51 --> 05:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, Brendan Donovan, Donovan, Nailor, Abonias.
05:56 --> 05:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Abonias, Cole Young.
05:58 --> 05:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, Cole Young.
06:00 --> 06:00 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's six.
06:00 --> 06:01 [SPEAKER_01]: You're 11.
06:01 --> 06:02 [SPEAKER_01]: And then they have your teachers.
06:02 --> 06:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and Calvin Kizner, that's 13.
06:04 --> 06:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, but there's no Leo Reeves there.
06:07 --> 06:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, good point.
06:09 --> 06:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so maybe you and, yeah, I guess that makes your roster a little stiff.
06:13 --> 06:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, Nico Horter could, or Brandon Donovan, it then becomes your quasi-utility player.
06:18 --> 06:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Which is fine.
06:19 --> 06:23 [SPEAKER_01]: It's perfectly okay to have one of your starting players be a utility player if he's good at it.
06:23 --> 06:26 [SPEAKER_01]: As we highlight, Donovan's fine at these positions.
06:27 --> 06:31 [SPEAKER_01]: His bat translates all over, but his glove, I mean, it's fine.
06:31 --> 06:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so he would move around depending on where you want your right hand about to be.
06:37 --> 06:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Again, if you more want an outfield or a private ref snider, if you more want an infield, there would be a bond yets and do hard, you could just decide.
06:44 --> 06:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like, I'm not tied to any of those guys that heavily, but just somebody that can hit left these.
06:51 --> 06:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think adding Reft Snyder and having a little bit more of a roster crunch is a better idea than seeing a Victor Robless has it, hitting right-handed?
06:59 --> 07:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Reft Snyder's a little more reliable against lefties.
07:02 --> 07:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Why?
07:02 --> 07:04 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, crush his righties.
07:04 --> 07:11 [SPEAKER_01]: He does, he does, you're already paying Victor Robless $5 million next year.
07:11 --> 07:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Although he hasn't hit left handed pitching since really 20 23 and his really good year in 24 he had total platoon splits.
07:19 --> 07:23 [SPEAKER_02]: He crushed righties and didn't hit lefties and then this past year and it's small sample didn't hit lefties either.
07:24 --> 07:29 [SPEAKER_01]: But that does not mean they're not going to put him in the line-up regardless against lefties.
07:30 --> 07:33 [SPEAKER_02]: They might, but I'd like somebody a little more reliable that's done it for reasons.
07:33 --> 07:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Then does he have why is it then I would ask you, is he going to be on the roster?
07:37 --> 07:38 [SPEAKER_01]: They're going to cut them or they're going to trade them?
07:40 --> 07:45 [SPEAKER_02]: This is why I still feel like one of those left-handed bats who's shot to get traded.
07:46 --> 07:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure?
07:47 --> 07:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Because I don't know.
07:48 --> 07:48 [SPEAKER_01]: There will might be.
07:49 --> 07:52 [SPEAKER_01]: If they're going to try and get Horner or Donovan, it'd be an easy throw in.
07:52 --> 07:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
07:53 --> 07:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Because I don't think.
07:54 --> 07:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Robleses going anywhere.
07:55 --> 07:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Or could tell Marta, which is a different situation because could tell won't play in the field as much.
07:59 --> 07:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
08:00 --> 08:14 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, I did just want to flesh that out a little bit for people because I do think it's something to think about that with all these left handed bats available and all the left handed bats already have on the roster that you should probably at least consider the idea.
08:14 --> 08:16 [SPEAKER_02]: of adding a right hand a bat.
08:16 --> 08:17 [SPEAKER_02]: So I just wanted to talk that through a little bit.
08:18 --> 08:23 [SPEAKER_02]: I did have one more thing I wanted to get to, but I do just want to say quickly to everybody listening and watching.
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08:39 --> 08:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, let's not even beat around the bush.
08:44 --> 08:50 [SPEAKER_02]: We paid in that sewage to bring Kyle Tucker to the mariner's, I'm proud of us.
08:50 --> 08:59 [SPEAKER_01]: The mariner's are one for one on Etsy which curses in the year 2025 for curses or blessings or whatever you want to label it.
09:00 --> 09:01 [SPEAKER_01]: We're looking to make it two for two.
09:02 --> 09:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, because guess what, anybody can get lucky once if these Etsy which is want to prove that they're for real.
09:09 --> 09:10 [SPEAKER_02]: they're going to make this happen.
09:10 --> 09:20 [SPEAKER_02]: And by the way, in the notes that we got back for it, it says like, if you don't notice changes in your life over the next six to eight weeks, like, please contact us.
09:21 --> 09:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Good.
09:21 --> 09:23 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad we got that info.
09:23 --> 09:29 [SPEAKER_02]: If Kyle Tucker's not wearing a Meredith uniform at the time spring training rolls around, we're asking for our money back.
09:30 --> 09:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, all the money we spent on it.
09:32 --> 09:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a real, real expensive amount we spent.
09:35 --> 09:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we spent money, we spent money on it.
09:38 --> 09:40 [SPEAKER_01]: We paid our $1 for that.
09:40 --> 09:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Just want the entire mayor nurse fan base, the front office, the players, everyone else on all other teams that listen to us.
09:49 --> 09:51 [SPEAKER_01]: We did our part in getting Kyle Tucker to Seattle.
09:52 --> 10:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Dude, again, especially around the holiday time, people wish for things and dream on things and hope for things to happen all the time.
10:02 --> 10:05 [SPEAKER_02]: You think we weren't serious about this Kyle Tucker thing?
10:06 --> 10:09 [SPEAKER_02]: We've taken matters into our own hands to do something about it.
10:09 --> 10:11 [SPEAKER_02]: You by the way, you know who does hit left-handed pitching?
10:11 --> 10:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Kyle Tucker.
10:12 --> 10:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, we've taken matters into our own hands to do something about it.
10:16 --> 10:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Not everybody does that.
10:18 --> 10:21 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm the man, I've got a big laundry list of things.
10:21 --> 10:23 [SPEAKER_02]: I've now done and said I do for this man.
10:24 --> 10:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Hike Melbox Peak, spend actual money to try and get his services.
10:31 --> 10:33 [SPEAKER_02]: You haven't hiked Melbox Peak yet, but you will.
10:33 --> 10:34 [SPEAKER_02]: If you don't.
10:34 --> 10:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I'm saying it's on my list of, to do.
10:38 --> 10:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, he is acquired.
10:40 --> 10:43 [SPEAKER_02]: But all these things, I've said I do this ridiculous hike, which I hate hiking.
10:43 --> 10:44 [SPEAKER_02]: We've made actual money.
10:45 --> 10:46 [SPEAKER_02]: We're trying to,
10:46 --> 10:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, we're trying to swing our belief into witches online.
10:51 --> 10:53 [SPEAKER_02]: We've done a lot.
10:53 --> 10:56 [SPEAKER_02]: You think we don't want this dependency at all?
10:56 --> 10:57 [SPEAKER_02]: We've done a hell of a lot.
10:58 --> 11:05 [SPEAKER_01]: And I convinced people that the Mariners now have a pinstripe uniforms based on the AI image of K-Tuck and a Mariners uniform we got.
11:06 --> 11:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh dude, I didn't even tell you, but I'll just do it right now and here while we're recording for everybody to hear.
11:11 --> 11:12 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a trust-stripe.
11:12 --> 11:16 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, against my better judgment, I should really never do this, but it'd been a while.
11:16 --> 11:19 [SPEAKER_02]: So I just thought for shits and gigs I'd do it.
11:19 --> 11:22 [SPEAKER_02]: I went on to Mariners read it the other day just to see what was going on on there.
11:23 --> 11:40 [SPEAKER_02]: And a few days ago, there's a post that says, Kyle Tucker at Mariners airport question first and I click on it and it says, I saw the guys from the Marine Lair pod cast mentioned that they saw Kyle Tucker at sea tag airport.
11:40 --> 11:48 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't tell if they're being serious or not, but I did just want to throw this out there and see if anybody else might have seen him or if anybody else can decipher this.
11:48 --> 11:51 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sick, like, it was probably 12 days ago as a time of recording.
11:52 --> 11:55 [SPEAKER_02]: I look it up and I'm like, no, no way.
11:55 --> 11:56 [SPEAKER_02]: This is a real post on Mariners Red.
11:57 --> 11:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I found it.
11:58 --> 11:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Here we go.
11:59 --> 12:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Not sure the guys on the Marine Lair pod cast are trolling, but I saw about an hour ago at SeaTak airport.
12:09 --> 12:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And they were suggesting they may have seen Kyle Tucker at the airport.
12:14 --> 12:23 [SPEAKER_01]: But that aligns with the direct flight from Tampa to Seattle on Delta Airlines Flight 1090 that I would have arrived at about 1030 AM today.
12:23 --> 12:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Cal Tucker lives in Tampa has anyone heard anything more concrete about Tucker being in Seattle today.
12:32 --> 12:44 [SPEAKER_01]: one responded with that image of the of the meme that people always use of the guy at the Hertz the Hertz counter where it's like, oh, I spotted X person at the airport.
12:44 --> 12:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Look.
12:45 --> 12:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh huh.
12:46 --> 12:47 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's the dude and Dreds.
12:48 --> 12:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
12:50 --> 12:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And then someone responds, you silly.
12:51 --> 12:53 [SPEAKER_01]: That's Richard Sherman.
12:56 --> 12:57 [SPEAKER_02]: We've really done it this time.
12:57 --> 12:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Again, look at all these things we've done for this man.
13:00 --> 13:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Etsy which is Hikes.
13:02 --> 13:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, look, oh my god, this is, this is great.
13:06 --> 13:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I really don't have to read it to you.
13:07 --> 13:13 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, but looking, I was just gonna say, like looking for him in the airport and say, like, even putting out reports that we've seen him in the airport.
13:13 --> 13:15 [SPEAKER_02]: We were dead serious about getting this man to Seattle.
13:16 --> 13:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Dead serious.
13:17 --> 13:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I can't stand this podcast.
13:18 --> 13:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Same guys who were convinced, O'Tani was coming to Seattle on a one year, $80 million deal the same offseason
13:30 --> 13:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Where we ironically got the report from?
13:33 --> 13:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Reddit!
13:41 --> 13:44 [SPEAKER_01]: We lots of ball players pass through C-Tac on their way to DriveLine now.
13:44 --> 13:45 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a fair point.
13:46 --> 13:48 [SPEAKER_01]: The answer is always DriveLine.
13:48 --> 13:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Players go every off season to DriveLine, specifically Seattle one, because it's the flagship location.
13:53 --> 13:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Must be a layover on his flight into LA or something.
13:59 --> 14:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Look at all this media storm we've caused over the last two years of our Kyle Tucker to the point where I wonder if you see any of it probably not a reddit, but just any of it period
14:12 --> 14:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, this is great.
14:13 --> 14:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for putting me on to this.
14:14 --> 14:15 [SPEAKER_01]: This is great.
14:15 --> 14:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's great.
14:16 --> 14:18 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a there's a lot of comments on here.
14:19 --> 14:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh-huh.
14:20 --> 14:21 [SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot.
14:21 --> 14:28 [SPEAKER_02]: But I will say to anybody that doubted us that thought we were serious about getting Kyle Tucker and you thought it was all a running joke.
14:28 --> 14:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, we're serious.
14:30 --> 14:32 [SPEAKER_02]: We've now ponyed up our own money to get this man.
14:32 --> 14:41 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.
14:42 --> 14:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, it doesn't give it away that it's total AI, that the Americans don't wear pinstriped jerseys.
14:48 --> 15:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Or the fact you like cut out, you cut out a photo of, it not only was the photo AI, but you just did like a rolling picture of C-TAC with like a cut-out image of Kyle Tucker on top of it.
15:00 --> 15:04 [SPEAKER_01]: It was like, how big, like, no shit, it's not Kyle Tucker.
15:06 --> 15:11 [SPEAKER_02]: And the photo in, and the photo is huge that we put of him inside that C-Tack picture.
15:12 --> 15:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's not like he's actually like casually standing on the photo's huge.
15:15 --> 15:16 [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't look natural.
15:18 --> 15:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh god, I loved the internet.
15:20 --> 15:21 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a great.
15:22 --> 15:26 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, maybe we should ask Ryan Davis for that photo of Kyle Tucker looked realistic.
15:26 --> 15:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm not sure.
15:27 --> 15:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Did we actually saw him?
15:30 --> 15:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Nothing's better than messing with damage with stuff like that.
15:32 --> 15:50 [SPEAKER_02]: How long do you think his patients would have been if we spend 15 minutes of this podcast interview with them talking to him about if he thinks we actually saw Kyle Tucker in the airport or not he would have hung up on us probably Yeah, and we didn't do this but the best way to get Davis to go like roll his eyes at us would be to just first question.
15:50 --> 15:55 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like Still Ryan we have like you know we had a great time at the winter meetings Well, we're heading down there.
15:55 --> 15:57 [SPEAKER_01]: We saw Kyle Tucker at sea tack.
15:57 --> 15:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Can you uh, can you confirm that report?
15:59 --> 15:59 [UNKNOWN]: Yep
16:00 --> 16:01 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, oh, you didn't get the scoop first.
16:01 --> 16:02 [SPEAKER_02]: That's pretty sad.
16:02 --> 16:03 [SPEAKER_02]: You must've not been on it.
16:04 --> 16:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, fortunately for all of our listeners, we did ask him real questions about the Mariners off season.
16:09 --> 16:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Very little, very little trolly going on in this interview.
16:13 --> 16:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, not too much, but it was a good interview as always, which is why we love to have give a shot on.
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16:46 --> 16:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Now I will say, before we get to the interview, stick around after two, because there is a lot we want to kind of dissect on our own and react to in terms of what he said.
16:55 --> 16:56 [SPEAKER_02]: So we're gonna do that when the center of use over.
16:57 --> 16:58 [SPEAKER_01]: We won't keep you guys any longer.
16:58 --> 17:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's get you to the interview with Rhine Divish.
17:03 --> 17:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Alright, we've got recurring guests and Seattle Times Mariners beat right to Ryan.
17:07 --> 17:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Divish on with us, Ryan.
17:09 --> 17:11 [SPEAKER_01]: As always, thank you for taking some time for us.
17:11 --> 17:14 [SPEAKER_01]: We were just all in Orlando for the winter meetings.
17:14 --> 17:19 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm curious for you as we've gotten our, to like, dip our foot in the winter meetings.
17:20 --> 17:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Pool a little bit over the last couple of years.
17:23 --> 17:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Who's the person you always look forward to talking to the most when you go there every year?
17:28 --> 17:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, like.
17:29 --> 17:50 [SPEAKER_00]: you mean like another writer or do you mean like uh... it could be anybody someone you don't get to see all the time because they don't live up here uh... hmm uh... i don't uh... i really like well past and i are pretty good friends so i was like seeing passing me text all the time and so i like seeing him
17:51 --> 17:53 [SPEAKER_00]: because we make fun of the same people quite a bit.
17:54 --> 17:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Any McCullough, the athletic, just a group of friends, Dan Hayes of the Athletic.
18:00 --> 18:03 [SPEAKER_00]: You have a lot of buddies that I've been covering the game with for a long time.
18:04 --> 18:06 [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of work occurred to her places.
18:06 --> 18:10 [SPEAKER_00]: And so we usually see each other at the winter meetings.
18:10 --> 18:13 [SPEAKER_00]: The GM meetings, winter meetings, or the all-star game.
18:14 --> 18:16 [SPEAKER_00]: And so, and then even sometimes the postseason.
18:16 --> 18:17 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's always fun seeing those guys.
18:18 --> 18:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, there's some scouts that I talk to and use in terms of sourcing for players on players, especially prospects and stuff.
18:26 --> 18:28 [SPEAKER_00]: So catch up with them.
18:28 --> 18:29 [SPEAKER_00]: That's always cool.
18:29 --> 18:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, I mean, yeah, I mean, that's usually about it, you know, like,
18:38 --> 18:52 [SPEAKER_00]: like the, some of the other writers have probably a little more difficult in terms of access to the GM or their president of baseball operations, but, you know, Jerry and Justin are pretty readily available for the beat writers.
18:53 --> 18:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they're not going to tell us everything, but they will respond to us like if we have questions or stuff like that.
18:58 --> 18:59 [SPEAKER_00]: So,
18:59 --> 19:00 [SPEAKER_00]: It's, um, yeah, I don't know.
19:00 --> 19:01 [SPEAKER_00]: What are means of crazy?
19:01 --> 19:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I told you guys, I, my first one was 2008 in Las Vegas at the Bilagio.
19:09 --> 19:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that was a year that, uh, Jack Serenzic his first year.
19:12 --> 19:20 [SPEAKER_00]: He traded JJ puts in a nine-player deal that sent, uh, Jason Vargas, and Franklin Goodier is back to the Mariners.
19:20 --> 19:24 [SPEAKER_00]: So it was kind of a crazy, that was a ripp the band-aid off moment for me.
19:24 --> 19:25 [SPEAKER_00]: That's for certain.
19:27 --> 19:29 [SPEAKER_02]: How do you make your time in with passive at the winter meeting?
19:29 --> 19:35 [SPEAKER_02]: So that was Joke with TJ that when you watch him walk around that hotel, he's like the beetles of the winter meeting.
19:35 --> 19:38 [SPEAKER_02]: For every single person wants their 60 seconds plus with them.
19:39 --> 19:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, um, usually it's just like at night at the bar, you know, more than anything.
19:45 --> 19:48 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not dirty the day when he's working.
19:48 --> 20:03 [SPEAKER_00]: That's the, I mean, honestly, the best part about the winter meetings and where so much of the stuff gets taken care of is after them, at the end of the night when you're at the barn, everybody's having the ears and BS and that's where you hear a lot of the really good rumors and gossip.
20:03 --> 20:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm not going to be like, hey, man, and Marocie and Rosenthal working the hallways out there trying to mind stuff from every agent or scout that passes by.
20:15 --> 20:16 [SPEAKER_00]: That's not what I'm hired to do.
20:16 --> 20:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I do do my fair share of work and stuff like that, but like in terms of talking to people, but yeah, it's at the end of the night, like, you know.
20:25 --> 20:33 [SPEAKER_00]: The first time I really like to see one of them there is a Jeff Sullivan former lookout lending writer and now works for the raises and alice.
20:33 --> 20:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Always like seeing him hand.
20:34 --> 20:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I usually see him once or twice a year, so it's always fun to catch up with him, because he's super smart, he's really funny, and you know,
20:42 --> 20:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Then again, too, like the Mariners always make a lot of trades with the race, so he usually has a pretty good background on players.
20:48 --> 21:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll say another reason I feel like it would be tough for you to do Payman or Rosenthal's job is we walk past John Hayman a couple times I think it was on the first night I really noticed this it's I don't know one fifteen in the morning he's he's he's wide awake he's got his his his his jacket on he's sitting in the chair and he's sipping water he's been sipping water all night I don't really think that would be you
21:12 --> 21:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Right now he never really turns off the transactional reporting stuff and like that's just not me.
21:20 --> 21:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean like I couldn't even imagine like I'd love to have passed his paycheck.
21:25 --> 21:31 [SPEAKER_00]: But doing what he does and how hard that is and having to talk to so many people, I don't want any part of that at all.
21:31 --> 21:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I just do not.
21:32 --> 21:38 [SPEAKER_00]: So, I guess, like I said, I'd like to pay check, but not for what comes with.
21:38 --> 21:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And if I had to make that much money, if I could make that much money, do something else other than what Jeff did, I would probably do that, including digging ditches and picking rocks.
21:47 --> 21:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, can you can pay you a number to be a people person?
21:51 --> 21:55 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I mean, I think you guys both know that I'm not really a people person in general.
21:55 --> 21:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm not.
21:56 --> 22:07 [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of people think I'm a dick, but I try and be pleasant, but like, you know, my default nature isn't to be outgoing or anything, you know?
22:08 --> 22:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll be friendly if you interact with me or if you give me a reason too, but like, I'm not going to seek you out just to catch up more often than not.
22:16 --> 22:18 [SPEAKER_01]: So a lot of what was going down at the winter meetings.
22:19 --> 22:21 [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of it didn't pertain the mariners.
22:21 --> 22:30 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the most of what came out of the winter meetings for the mariners was some leads, some ideas and some things that have been pushed further here the week after the winter meetings.
22:30 --> 22:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Where would you say the mariners are at right now in terms of their off season?
22:34 --> 22:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, well, I think they're in a pivot mode, honestly.
22:38 --> 22:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I honestly, well, I'm sorry, I do think that they thought they were going to get both nailer and polonco, just given kind of the nature of what they thought the market would be like, the player's interest in remaining there.
22:54 --> 23:06 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think they thought that was going to happen, and then, you know, we saw last week where Poenco signs for $2 here is that $40 million, I don't think the mayor is expecting that.
23:06 --> 23:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I know, I wasn't, and, you know, now they have to readjust, but I think also, given kind of how Jerry talked about it when we talked to him one of the nights, and he just said, we have to cast a wider net.
23:20 --> 23:21 [SPEAKER_00]: We've made our offer.
23:21 --> 23:22 [SPEAKER_00]: They know where we're at.
23:22 --> 23:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I think they knew that it was maybe trending away from them and they were starting to push more on the the Brendan Donovan trade possibility or even explore get more realistic about trading for a tell martellan like they looked at where the free age of marcos had it I'm sure they heard some stuff on what Polanco was receiving from other teams and they started to
23:45 --> 23:50 [SPEAKER_00]: move in a different direction, understanding that what they had probably offered wasn't going to get home for them.
23:51 --> 23:56 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know, you know, Jerry can be by reputation a little rigid in terms of
23:57 --> 24:03 [SPEAKER_00]: when it comes to negotiating, he's not just gonna go bounce back and forth and try and get into a bidding contest.
24:03 --> 24:04 [SPEAKER_00]: They have a number.
24:04 --> 24:12 [SPEAKER_00]: They have some wiggle room within the number, but they aren't gonna go crazy for something that they don't think the value returns.
24:12 --> 24:14 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not quite the whole atom.
24:15 --> 24:23 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not quite the whole Andrew Friedman, where if you're cautious and free agents or whatever it is, you're always gonna finish third.
24:23 --> 24:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I think there's just a point of what's realistic and a point of where, yeah, that's not where that does.
24:29 --> 24:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And so, I don't know, I think they really like to have them pull on, go back.
24:34 --> 24:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought there were some red flags with him.
24:37 --> 24:38 [SPEAKER_00]: They came with him.
24:39 --> 24:50 [SPEAKER_00]: And maybe in the end, they're fortunate that he didn't want to sign and they can go into a different avenues and explore some different options and maybe make them better as a whole.
24:51 --> 24:55 [SPEAKER_03]: Was it the injuries and the DH factor that would be your red flags or was there more?
24:55 --> 25:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's the injuries always, I mean, you know, he put up great numbers because he played more games than he probably had since 2021 I think.
25:03 --> 25:22 [SPEAKER_00]: So the injuries are always there as somebody who's, you know, like dealt with a lot of knee injuries over the years, you can have the surgery that a surgery doesn't fix everything, you know, that it's still damaged there and we saw even then like he was dinged up quite a bit off and on, you know, they'll bleak stuff, the knee stuff,
25:23 --> 25:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's always a red flag.
25:24 --> 25:26 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not getting any younger.
25:26 --> 25:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And really, positionally, he's limited.
25:30 --> 25:37 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I know they played him at second base there towards the end of last year, but he's not in that second baseman.
25:37 --> 25:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the Metzil wanted him as an everyday second baseman.
25:39 --> 25:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I think where it was trending, they were going to play in that second base sum, but you're going to play in that DH a whole lot.
25:46 --> 25:52 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think they just, you know, at some point, like 20 million
25:52 --> 26:02 [SPEAKER_00]: two years or 40 million over two years seems excessive, but the meds were in a position where they wouldn't add a lot of money until they had just lost their starting first basement.
26:03 --> 26:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I think for the Mariners, if you put it in order and we saw that, Nailer was the priority.
26:08 --> 26:15 [SPEAKER_00]: They wanted to pull Uncle back, but they wanted them back a more on terms that were more friendly to them.
26:16 --> 26:19 [SPEAKER_00]: you know, or more realistic to them than maybe what the market ended up being.
26:20 --> 26:24 [SPEAKER_00]: And the market was reactionary because Alonzo signed, he didn't sign with the meds.
26:24 --> 26:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like, Alonzo signs with the meds.
26:28 --> 26:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the mayor's get-pollonco in a different deal.
26:32 --> 26:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Because like, you know, it changes all the math there.
26:35 --> 26:41 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think, you know, the Orioles are going to get polonco 40 million over two years.
26:41 --> 26:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they were going to do that.
26:43 --> 26:57 [SPEAKER_01]: hypothetically at the Mariners had matched that Metz offer would they have had budget to not only add the rest of the offseason potentially add at the deadline as well I would have put them I think right at the mark they ended last year at roughly
26:58 --> 27:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I mean, there's some wiggle room there.
27:03 --> 27:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Not very conflicting reports, but at the GM meetings, I was told from some agents that really the Mariners had a little bit more than what they finished with last year.
27:13 --> 27:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Or maybe that's based on some of their arbitration projections or what they were going to do.
27:18 --> 27:22 [SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, yeah, it would put them right up against it.
27:23 --> 27:27 [SPEAKER_00]: The thing is is like, they were out there budget limit going
27:28 --> 27:39 [SPEAKER_00]: into the trade deadline and they are standing in the ownership group for more money so they can get both nailer and swore as and ownership you know agreed to it.
27:39 --> 27:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean I think the budget is like the payroll budget it's not like they don't have a
27:46 --> 27:51 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, have a shot collar on Jerry that once he gets over, he just gets his app or, you know, he thinks about it.
27:51 --> 27:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's organic in a way.
27:54 --> 27:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, they feel like there's something that they need to do or a move that needs to be made.
27:57 --> 28:00 [SPEAKER_00]: And they can sell it to the ownership group, then the budget increases.
28:01 --> 28:05 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's like, think that's where people think they'll, all they're so limited.
28:05 --> 28:07 [SPEAKER_00]: But, you do...
28:08 --> 28:34 [SPEAKER_00]: you don't want to make a habit of doing it all the time either you know you want to be smart and I don't know I just it's a weird spot that they're in so I was thinking about this today you know they don't get they don't get um clonco marté actually comes in at less money per year than when plonco's getting you know he gets more expensive three years down the road um Brendan Donovan obviously not ton of money
28:35 --> 28:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if there's a world where they get both because the prospect capital will be too high, but, you know, there is an impossibility where they get Donovan and they still have some money to go out and maybe get more of a DH type to supplement, they could do that.
28:52 --> 28:54 [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know.
28:54 --> 28:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm really curious, I haven't got it locked down on what
28:58 --> 29:05 [SPEAKER_00]: teams are asking I don't think that Brendan Donovan is going to cost you know proven majorly talent for the Mariners.
29:06 --> 29:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that that's what the Cardinals are really looking for.
29:09 --> 29:13 [SPEAKER_00]: But you know the Diamondbacks want to majorly picture.
29:14 --> 29:20 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think you know I think they prefer to have Kirby and that's you know that's where the Mariners have to get.
29:21 --> 29:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Very either they unload a whole bunch of prospects and try to avoid
29:28 --> 29:37 [SPEAKER_00]: or they give it up and then trust that they're pitching and maybe they sign up a number of five starter type if they don't trust Logan or Emerson Hancock.
29:39 --> 29:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Man, there's a lot of ways we could pivot off that.
29:41 --> 29:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's just, let's start on Control Marta here since you brought them up first.
29:45 --> 29:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
29:45 --> 29:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Is.
29:47 --> 29:49 [SPEAKER_03]: the package that the Diamondbacks are looking for.
29:49 --> 29:52 [SPEAKER_03]: In your eyes, is that worth it for the Mariners to do?
29:52 --> 30:00 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'll just go out this example, Nick McCorrow of the Arizona Republic a few days ago, mentioned that the raise in the Diamondbacks were talking about a trade.
30:00 --> 30:07 [SPEAKER_02]: And he reported that a couple of the names being floated out there were Shane Bosn, Ryan Pepeau, which is two big league starters.
30:07 --> 30:13 [SPEAKER_02]: So is it worth it to you with Marta's age and what he could trend to be in the next couple of years to give it all up for him?
30:14 --> 30:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean,
30:16 --> 30:19 [SPEAKER_00]: is it worth it if you wouldn't this year or next year?
30:20 --> 30:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Because that's where you're at, because two years from now, they have to make a tough decision on Logan Gilbert.
30:25 --> 30:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they haven't signed them in an extension yet.
30:28 --> 30:32 [SPEAKER_00]: And so we've seen some picture attrition.
30:32 --> 30:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, for what Luis Castillo is, or was this past season every year, it gets a little bit more difficult to replicate that?
30:40 --> 30:44 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I mean, two MLB starters,
30:46 --> 30:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a lot.
30:47 --> 30:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I guess in your, you know, I think to me, I think Kirby's better than St. Bos, just because Bos has some of the injury issues.
30:57 --> 31:04 [SPEAKER_00]: So what do you, if you're going along those lines, would you do it for George Kirby and Logan Evans?
31:07 --> 31:07 [SPEAKER_00]: And man.
31:09 --> 31:13 [SPEAKER_02]: I think the giving up the big league starter's part is what you have to balance, right?
31:13 --> 31:16 [SPEAKER_02]: And part of it probably balances on to you think Kirby's gonna sign an extension.
31:16 --> 31:18 [SPEAKER_02]: You can you can dive it on this, too, too.
31:18 --> 31:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think it's going to be a warm Kirby, but is it just those two or is it those two and prospects?
31:25 --> 31:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
31:26 --> 31:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, two big league players.
31:30 --> 31:31 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a considerable amount.
31:31 --> 31:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the prospect would have to be if you're throwing a felonine or something like that, a guy that's far away, it's not an MLB ready guy to contribute right now.
31:42 --> 31:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I think in that regard, I don't know how they view Gerangelo, how close he is or somebody like that, maybe that's what they want.
31:51 --> 31:54 [SPEAKER_00]: So, what if it's Kirby and Gerangelo in a prospect?
31:55 --> 31:57 [SPEAKER_00]: That's the hard part.
31:57 --> 32:06 [SPEAKER_00]: The one thing is, is there's still, if you look at the starting pitching market, there's a lot of like number five types that you can sign to a one-year deal.
32:06 --> 32:09 [SPEAKER_00]: And then you believe, like, you sign to a one-year deal.
32:09 --> 32:13 [SPEAKER_00]: And you have, because there's no such thing as a bad one-year contract.
32:13 --> 32:24 [SPEAKER_00]: So then you have this a veteran guy as your fifth, you have Emerson or whoever plus you still have Ryan Sloan and Kate Anderson trying to get ready to be big league ready this year.
32:25 --> 32:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, is there a chance that Ryan Sloan debut this year?
32:28 --> 32:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Certainly.
32:29 --> 32:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if that's pushing it on the extreme side, but like
32:34 --> 32:42 [SPEAKER_00]: that gets you through so that when Sloan and Kate or even Jerangel is ready to replace George or Logan, you have that in place.
32:42 --> 32:47 [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know, it's a weird deal.
32:48 --> 33:12 [SPEAKER_00]: would you rather overpay in prospects than big league guys because again you're trying to win you know it's funny it tells only one year younger than than hooray polanco you know and he played the last games in polaco did last year what's the dh more he doesn't want to play the field is not good in the field uh... and i mean the company you know the reporting and the complaints coming out of erasana
33:12 --> 33:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's real.
33:13 --> 33:15 [SPEAKER_00]: There were complaints about Katel when he was here.
33:16 --> 33:23 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, do you believe your culture in your clubhouse is strong enough to make sure that, you know, you keep everything in check?
33:23 --> 33:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
33:24 --> 33:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Randy was always sort of a loose cannon when he came here.
33:27 --> 33:30 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that experiments worked pretty well.
33:30 --> 33:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he still does some goofy stuff.
33:31 --> 33:33 [SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, I think,
33:34 --> 33:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's what they out the way, like you're gonna not only with cattle, you're investing in a majorly player most likely prospects and a lot of money that could preclude you from signing some of the other guys in your organization to extensions.
33:49 --> 33:55 [SPEAKER_00]: So you better be damn sure, and I'm sure they're gonna call Josh Nailers and what do you think?
33:55 --> 33:57 [SPEAKER_00]: You were there with all this went down.
33:57 --> 33:59 [SPEAKER_00]: What is your take on this guy?
33:59 --> 34:04 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think we all know that Nailer doesn't really should record things when he feels like talking about it.
34:05 --> 34:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'd say the number one thing for me when it comes about Catelmarte is the extension thing, with your starting pitchers.
34:12 --> 34:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Because if George Kirby is like a flat out no unsignin in extension, that is the most valuable trade piece you have.
34:19 --> 34:20 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not your prospects.
34:21 --> 34:25 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a guy who can throw 200 innings and be a ball star pitcher in the big leagues.
34:26 --> 34:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And if you're going to have to trade him anyways,
34:29 --> 34:47 [SPEAKER_01]: you might as well go get katel marte I will say though Ryan like we asked about katel's character down at the winter meetings as well and like we essentially had a red flag raised right and that I feel like for the mariners and they they I feel like you can tell me if I'm wrong I've been pretty consistent that they like
34:47 --> 35:14 [SPEAKER_01]: high character guys in their clubhouse and one they're acquiring they're not just looking at talent they're looking at you know they're looking at the character that and they made the made some mistakes and they've I've seemingly corrected it with like winker and so on and so forth do you feel like that's that's accurate when it comes to yeah price they would give up they're valuing the the character aspect of character component more because of what we're wrong with winker some of those other guys that they brought in that just didn't fit
35:15 --> 35:19 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, they don't want to have to have the one year of somebody miserable, and then get rid of them.
35:19 --> 35:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I think, you know, you wonder, like I said, is the clubhouse culture strong enough to grab this guy and bring him in and say, okay, now this is how we do it here, because it's not like he's lazy.
35:31 --> 35:41 [SPEAKER_00]: He puts in the work, you know, I don't know that he's the hardest worker in the room from what I have been told, but he does the stuff and everything, but the question is of taking too many days off.
35:41 --> 35:49 [SPEAKER_00]: kind of being absent mentally when you think about other stuff or being kind of emittered at times.
35:49 --> 35:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's stuff you have to trust your scouting, your pros scouting and the mayors wouldn't be fed up their pros scouting to kind of check in on that.
35:58 --> 36:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like the number of pros scouts that call me asking about what guys are like and how they treat others.
36:05 --> 36:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Just the media, but how they treat clubbies, how they treat staff, how they treat each other.
36:11 --> 36:13 [SPEAKER_00]: is invaluable.
36:13 --> 36:15 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think the mayor is going to do the due diligence.
36:15 --> 36:15 [SPEAKER_00]: You're right.
36:16 --> 36:20 [SPEAKER_00]: If Kirby's going to be gone in a year to you're going to have to trade him, maybe that's a decision you make.
36:20 --> 36:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Logan is the one that's closest to free agency now.
36:24 --> 36:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And usually with a pitcher, this is the year you get the extension done, right?
36:30 --> 36:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Usually if he's for this year, I think, either you get it done early and buy out all the arbitration time, and then you've, you know, pretty much assumed that they're going to
36:41 --> 37:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Now you have to figure it out because this arbitration number is going to go up and he's got one more next year at what if he's going to make twelve this year and it'll be like sixteen I mean like it gets real expensive that's going to be hard conversation because I think the catcher kind of like slogan so it's like you stand you know you you trade him or whatever you you run the risk of pissing off your franchise guy to
37:05 --> 37:09 [SPEAKER_01]: But if we sit on him, what are you going to get back for Logan Gilbert next year?
37:09 --> 37:14 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what the tigers are wrestling with right now with a heck of a lot more established pitcher.
37:15 --> 37:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think that's, you know, that's what the manners have in a way.
37:20 --> 37:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you're, if you're Logan, don't you just wait it out.
37:25 --> 37:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Look what Dylan's he's got in free agency, you know, I mean, like, if you're
37:33 --> 37:46 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're George Kirby and you're two years away from free agency or whatever it is, three, wait it out and you can get to New York and go back home and get how much money from the Met's or the Yankees.
37:46 --> 37:55 [SPEAKER_00]: We're like, that's the free agent pictures, the incentive for if you're even a pretty strong free agent picture, looking max free.
37:56 --> 38:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't know, you know, and I don't know that because those guys are two years out,
38:02 --> 38:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, labor-stoppage thing is, is providing an impetus to sign on, also like if, if Logan Gilbert was going to resign with the Mariners' sign extension, don't you think it already been done?
38:13 --> 38:23 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, they were able to get it done with, they were able to get it done with Castile in one in four months, so I don't know.
38:23 --> 38:26 [SPEAKER_03]: I was going to say, where do you think they're at with that with Logan?
38:26 --> 38:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Because obviously he's been public in the past saying he'd love to be here a long time.
38:30 --> 38:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Now words obviously don't mean everything by any stretch.
38:33 --> 38:36 [SPEAKER_02]: So where do you think they stand with that these days?
38:37 --> 38:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know.
38:38 --> 38:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I haven't heard anything more about any contact.
38:42 --> 38:47 [SPEAKER_00]: But then again, like leading into last year, I didn't hear a ton of stuff from Cal about contact.
38:47 --> 38:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like he had said that they would...
38:52 --> 39:01 [SPEAKER_00]: the discussions that started a little bit more once he switched agents and you know, Logan's agents aren't Logan isn't a Boris guy.
39:01 --> 39:05 [SPEAKER_00]: He's, I think it's jet sports.
39:05 --> 39:07 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the same guys that handle Kyle Seager.
39:08 --> 39:21 [SPEAKER_00]: So, I don't know, I mean like, when Logan was in AAA or his rookie year, I was told they supposedly made an extension offer, you know, trying to
39:21 --> 39:31 [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't like Evan White, but it was, I don't know, 35, 40 million or something like that over six years or something, and I just, the kind of he was counting, not.
39:32 --> 39:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, guys that are first round picks that are established, like that just doesn't happen very often, and like to be honest, Logan Lizard Orlando, he's far away from home.
39:43 --> 39:48 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think of all the pictures I always felt like Bryce would be the one that would sign extension.
39:49 --> 39:50 [SPEAKER_01]: And that is workier.
39:50 --> 39:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Why would a guy turn down an extension like that?
39:52 --> 39:54 [SPEAKER_01]: You're not losing any forage in years, are you?
39:54 --> 39:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Wouldn't that be buying out where first, like you're just six year clock?
40:00 --> 40:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, like, because you're buying it out.
40:03 --> 40:08 [SPEAKER_00]: You're not, you're probably getting a signing bonus and I don't know how it was, but it was a longer one.
40:08 --> 40:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I might have been eight years or something, but it was a longer one.
40:11 --> 40:18 [SPEAKER_00]: There were some extension stuff to, like the base was like 40 million though, you know.
40:19 --> 40:21 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just, I guess it's just different for a guy to think.
40:21 --> 40:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Jerry Kellnick supposedly had a deal that was better than Luis Robber but not quite
40:27 --> 40:39 [SPEAKER_00]: wrong with Koenia and he felt like he deserved a Koenia money, I mean, you know, that's what's 80 million dollars that he just kind of doesn't have, that'd be a winning lottery ticket.
40:40 --> 41:07 [SPEAKER_00]: right so right I don't know I don't know what the deal is with Logan like talking to a master I don't have a story on it and I've talked to Logan about it he's always said he wants what's fair you know but what players and agency feel as fair might not be the same as what organizations they're so so in terms of data that if we're just going to pivot a little bit here looking at some other options the
41:07 --> 41:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you view him as a needle mover?
41:09 --> 41:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Could they be better with him than Polanco?
41:14 --> 41:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the peripheral or the basic numbers, your standard numbers and stuff, like you're looking at, you're like, no, I'm really like, you're just not seeing.
41:28 --> 41:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, I don't know how you major impact for,
41:33 --> 41:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Teams, my major, differently, they all have their own internal metrics that used to evaluate hitters.
41:39 --> 41:46 [SPEAKER_00]: but on the basic numbers, even the more typically used analytics, it doesn't look like he's a better overall hitter.
41:46 --> 42:05 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it'll be P's okay, but like you don't see the power numbers and I have to look to the stat cost number is to really say that, but what he is is still represents an upgrade that can play the hell both positions and does give you some insurance, like if coal struggles again, or if Ben struggles,
42:05 --> 42:14 [SPEAKER_00]: cult it, you know, cold goes in the spring trading and doesn't perform and, you know, can't make break the camp, you know, like, that's what you have is you have a guy that's at least establishing to handle it.
42:14 --> 42:19 [SPEAKER_00]: So one of those positions isn't, you know, being filled by a struggling rookie.
42:19 --> 42:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like,
42:20 --> 42:24 [SPEAKER_00]: what they had to do with Cole Young Laster where they played him against all those lefties last year.
42:24 --> 42:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought that was pretty unfair for a rookie.
42:27 --> 42:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he had to take E.B.s against that Morhan guy from the Padre's, but that was cruelty.
42:34 --> 42:35 [SPEAKER_00]: But that guy's filthy.
42:36 --> 42:39 [SPEAKER_00]: And that Morhan guy got a face three lefties in a row in a game.
42:39 --> 42:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, one is that ever happened for him ever.
42:44 --> 42:46 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think, is he a good player?
42:46 --> 42:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Is absolutely a good player.
42:51 --> 43:18 [SPEAKER_00]: you know, the level of impact that he provides would be the same as Pelonco, but he also wouldn't, you're not deaching him probably as much as Pelonco either, like that's the thing is like, if you signed Ottoman, or if you trade for Donovan, I think they have to reassess and look at maybe adding another guy that fits more of a typical de-age role, whether it's a right-handed bat, or whatever that has a little bit more paw, you know, I'm not saying it's
43:19 --> 43:45 [SPEAKER_00]: you know so it's got automatically be a first baseman but there's some outfield types or whatever or maybe get creative and then look at moving one of your other guys because right now like if they signed on it and you get you're assuming that what we clearly will be the dh most days when there's a right hand a picture right and it what happens when they're for lefty on the down because down that doesn't hit lefty's really doesn't hit lefty's down it can't zone doesn't hit lefty's yeah yeah you're in a weird spot there so
43:45 --> 44:03 [SPEAKER_00]: you know I guess kind of don't be the age and quite a bit too so like I don't know like they're very left handed it's kind of funny in a lot of ways you know getting a right hand a bat maybe to even it out and that's thing too is like maybe like they look at some of these other utility type guys that you know the Willie Casper's of the world that aren't maybe is
44:04 --> 44:08 [SPEAKER_00]: impactful in a lot of different ways, but are still an upgrade over what you had.
44:08 --> 44:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I like Leo Rebaos a lot, he's cheap, it's great dude, but there are better players than Leo Rebaos out there, but you could turn to for, you know, because like, it's gone, it's like Rebaos wasn't good enough to crack the team until late, until the roster that's added.
44:23 --> 44:33 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think there are ways you can upgrade to, that give everybody's looks like you've got to have this one main bat, whatever, but like go count the abats
44:33 --> 44:53 [SPEAKER_00]: the number of bats still a more had early in the year or, you know, re-boss or, you know, like you said having coal-jung face lefties, there are a number of bats throughout the course of the season where you were putting players in there that worked out standing or weren't even like lead gavvage and there are upgrades available at all those spots.
44:54 --> 45:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, getting guys on your 26th guy, your last two bench spots to be more productive or better overall players
45:04 --> 45:09 [SPEAKER_01]: My big pitch for training for Brennan Donovan is like he's a good off it.
45:09 --> 45:10 [SPEAKER_01]: He's like a solid off That's a player.
45:10 --> 45:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's how I'd label it.
45:12 --> 45:26 [SPEAKER_01]: But I almost think it that less so is adding him to the line up And more so is the complete aspecty brings because I feel like there's as much room for the mariner's to improve on the base paths and On defense as there is for lineup.
45:26 --> 45:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you feel that too?
45:27 --> 45:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, because he can play all over it.
45:30 --> 45:42 [SPEAKER_00]: And the other thing it does is, like if you see, if you had Donovan, because he can play three positions and two of them pretty decently, I think it frees up your rosters and you're not carrying a guy that maybe you don't want to carry.
45:42 --> 45:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they already have like, you know, four or five outfielders and one, you know, two of them are left handed that don't hit left handers.
45:49 --> 45:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Like that changes your mouth a lot.
45:51 --> 45:52 [SPEAKER_00]: So,
45:52 --> 46:03 [SPEAKER_00]: giving somebody like Donovan gives you may allow you to do something different with the last spot on your roster as an upgrade, like I said, that's the difference in all of that, it's like you want to add that guy.
46:03 --> 46:04 [SPEAKER_00]: What if A.U.
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46:16 --> 46:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know this channel would do that, but, you know, there's, there are options that way.
46:21 --> 46:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I think Donovan gives you more flexibility to do different things with your roster and play different matchups.
46:29 --> 46:31 [SPEAKER_00]: There may be what if you have a bunch of kids out there.
46:32 --> 46:35 [SPEAKER_02]: So are you in the camp of they still need two more bats?
46:35 --> 46:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Because TJ and I are a little split on that.
46:36 --> 46:38 [SPEAKER_02]: So we were, we wanted to ask you about it.
46:38 --> 46:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like,
46:40 --> 47:04 [SPEAKER_00]: sure they need to are they going to get to you know like if they get marté they're probably not doing much more you know we might take a flyer on a guy on a bounce back here something like a minor league sign or a split contract but you know could they use two more sure what they really need is what they really need is Rayleigh and Robles to play like they did
47:04 --> 47:17 [SPEAKER_00]: the year prior, and not be heard all the time, you know, and, right, Cole Young to be that guy that he was for part of the year, you know, like the third base thing will be very interesting with how they do that, you know, how much they play Williamson.
47:17 --> 47:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Like if he get dawn of it, like, I say only trade for dawn of him when you just play dawn of him at third, Cole Young at second, right handers, most days, you know, Naylor at first place of really lefty, heavy J. P. It's all left handed hitting line up pretty much, but like,
47:31 --> 47:35 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, that's your lineup, and then you have your alfilders and it's not bad.
47:35 --> 47:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Dom can's on as your DH, it's not a bad group, but yeah, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I,
47:43 --> 47:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like, should they, could they get to?
47:45 --> 47:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, should they?
47:46 --> 47:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, I mean, they'd have to, I mean, really, they'd have to depart with a player they'd like, who's out of options and lose them to Fritharian ad too.
47:55 --> 48:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess, like, I must've just, obviously Williams is not going to be there, but if you, I guess, if you add, yeah, so they just win the lottery and sign-out experiment and another guy, I guess you could do it, but I don't think that's going to happen.
48:08 --> 48:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd be pretty stumped.
48:09 --> 48:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so what is it with this Breggman report you guys had like I totally believe that like They they they reached out to the mayor's first something, but I just have a hard time believing the mayor's would ever come to the price Whether short term or long term for because like they said we don't sign 30 plus year olds to long contracts And we're not gonna pay someone 40 million dollars a year
48:33 --> 48:55 [SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, I don't, I think it's just Boris using the Mariners because they know, they know they don't have a fair base opening, you know, it was similar to a few years ago when they really tried to push Chris Bryant on the Mariners to play third and what was funny is Brian told them he didn't want to play third, you sure want to play left field doing it want to play first base in the age.
48:57 --> 48:58 [SPEAKER_00]: That does work for us.
48:58 --> 49:01 [SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I don't, I don't, I don't
49:01 --> 49:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's just, that's just posturing more than anything.
49:05 --> 49:15 [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm sure like, I'm sure they took the meeting or they took the call and said, okay, here's what Alex wants, you know, and he's a good player still, but I think we're starting to see the effects of age.
49:15 --> 49:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why he just doesn't go back to Boston, but it's
49:19 --> 49:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, especially with the two ball parcs he's hit in for his career.
49:22 --> 49:24 [SPEAKER_03]: There's super right-handed friendly.
49:24 --> 49:25 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, would make all the sense in the world.
49:26 --> 49:33 [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, okay, with third base and Cold Emerson specifically, what are the odds you think he truly breaks this camp on opening day?
49:33 --> 49:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Cause obviously like the two sides you have to balance here, incredibly talented, top five to ten prospects in the game depending on what outlet you look at, less than 21 years old, the other side do it is he's played 40 games above Abel.
49:46 --> 49:48 [SPEAKER_03]: So how do you like, what's your thought on it?
49:49 --> 49:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, um, like how many of the Julio play a button?
49:52 --> 49:54 [SPEAKER_00]: A he played a whole season of double like, right?
49:55 --> 49:56 [SPEAKER_03]: No, actually it's funny you bring that up.
49:56 --> 49:58 [SPEAKER_03]: I was just looking at this this morning.
49:58 --> 50:02 [SPEAKER_03]: I think he played 50 games or slightly under in AA before the debut.
50:02 --> 50:10 [SPEAKER_00]: So like when Julio came to camp that year, like, that was not on our radar that he was going to make the team.
50:10 --> 50:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Then we saw him.
50:12 --> 50:32 [SPEAKER_00]: and he trimmed out like we knew he'd trimmed down some because he said the video was just up when you saw him in person and we watched him run around in the alfield and play a oh my god you know and he just and he was so like he was so mature in terms of his self confidence and understanding who he was and what he was trying to do and
50:32 --> 50:33 [SPEAKER_00]: wasn't afraid of the moment.
50:34 --> 50:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Unlike in his own cults not as bombastic or as brash as Julio, but in his own way, he's very self-confident.
50:42 --> 50:44 [SPEAKER_00]: He's very process-oriented.
50:45 --> 50:52 [SPEAKER_00]: This guy is like, cult is like Andy McKay and all those process guys like he's your poster child.
50:52 --> 50:54 [SPEAKER_00]: It's one of the reasons why they drafted him is because he was so matured.
50:55 --> 51:02 [SPEAKER_00]: So from a mental standpoint,
51:02 --> 51:29 [SPEAKER_00]: kind of like the way who the other day is like if you're going to give me an opening I'm just going to kick the door down and go through it he'll do that it's how he responds to all of it because like you know when you're just a guy when you're a young guy you have no you have no thought of making teams go out and play but then when you're competing for a spot then you start counting your you start looking into what you're doing versus what somebody else is doing and that can get in your head and
51:29 --> 51:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, I'd be like, physically too, you know, I think he can handle that in base.
51:33 --> 51:35 [SPEAKER_00]: That athletic, he's got a big arm.
51:35 --> 51:44 [SPEAKER_00]: The Rangers did this with Bobby Witt, his rookie year, I mean, I'm a, that's a tough comparison for Cole, but all the athletic tools say he can be that guy.
51:45 --> 51:58 [SPEAKER_00]: So what it surprised me now, because like, just being around Cole, a little bit of time I have, he's so different mentally than so many of those guys.
51:58 --> 52:16 [SPEAKER_00]: We always joke that Koliun causes dude and bro and stuff all the time when I call Colta acts like he's 40 years old a lot of the times he's right you guys you reminds me one of the secret brothers Just how they act, you know, just all business all the time What are the Mariners gonna put on the plate of Koliun this year?
52:18 --> 52:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think they're going to play him.
52:20 --> 52:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I think they'll protect him against lefties.
52:23 --> 52:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they're going to give him every opportunity to just take the job and make it his own.
52:31 --> 52:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Because I'm sure they're tantalized, what was about a one-month stretch, or he would just
52:37 --> 52:48 [SPEAKER_00]: crushing baseballs, but even like when he, yeah, yeah, when he struggled there were some swings and misses on some fast balls up and everything like that, but he still found ways to kind of put the ball and play and grind it out.
52:49 --> 52:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, everybody runs into that for a bit, but I think they're they're going to make I think you'll be the opening day second baseman, you know, something changes and, you know, they'll let him
52:58 --> 53:03 [SPEAKER_00]: go with it until he can't, and if he can't, then they'll send down reset them and give them another chance.
53:04 --> 53:12 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, the one month he saw is enough reason to really kind of push it, because they've done that before a second base for one month.
53:12 --> 53:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Shed long, doing more, they gave those guys a certain job too.
53:17 --> 53:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
53:17 --> 53:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Why did the Mariners decide now was the time to trade Harry Ford?
53:21 --> 53:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I think...
53:24 --> 53:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, I think that just...
53:26 --> 53:38 [SPEAKER_00]: And finally, in a line four of them betrayed him, I don't, I think they were realistic to what his overall market value was because they, you know, they've been basically willing to trade him for the last two years.
53:38 --> 53:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think I've said it like a dozen times, and that's not based just on my thinking, but based on people I'm talking to, but like, you know, I love Harry, but where he was,
53:53 --> 53:58 [SPEAKER_00]: didn't necessarily maybe match the hype surrounding him.
53:59 --> 54:03 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I said it on a one podcast, like he's unbelievably athletic.
54:03 --> 54:12 [SPEAKER_00]: He's strong, he can run, he can throw, and he can really move laterally, you know, like he watched him.
54:12 --> 54:27 [SPEAKER_00]: What he reminds of, it was a guy that just dominates the combine, but then when you put him in games, you don't necessarily see the athleticism play out, you know, in his blocking, he's receiving, he's throwing, or at the play where the strength doesn't, the power doesn't necessarily match the strength.
54:28 --> 54:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this guy could deadlift the world, but it doesn't really translate into dingers, the way it should, and you look at his swing and you kind of understand why or even his approach.
54:38 --> 54:40 [SPEAKER_00]: So, I think,
54:41 --> 54:51 [SPEAKER_00]: while he was top 100 and had the stuff in the WBC and the mayor's never short offered no shortage of prospect hype through their social media channels.
54:52 --> 55:14 [SPEAKER_00]: around baseball, like because he was around a long time too, the scout's nitpicked him a ton, like, you know, beat up on his on his throwing and his receiving and his blocking behind the plate and the pitch calling and basically like one scout said, he goes for being as athletic as he is, he doesn't play athletic, you know, and
55:14 --> 55:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I remember Taylor Tremela at the same knock, and even they kind of said that about Sam Haggerty for his quick and twitchy and fast as he knew, he was not a very good defensive player.
55:26 --> 55:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Like it didn't always translate out.
55:28 --> 55:30 [SPEAKER_00]: It only translated out on the basis.
55:31 --> 55:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And even then, he wasn't like a functionally smart bass runner.
55:34 --> 55:42 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like a lot of times the most athletic guys that you're around that, let us say.
55:43 --> 55:50 [SPEAKER_00]: It just kind of carries them at the lower levels, but when you need it to play out, it doesn't happen at the MLB level, and then it kind of becomes exposed.
55:50 --> 55:55 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think that's where it was, Harry, I think the mayor's knew as well.
55:55 --> 55:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Once you lock up Cal, and it's okay, we have this guy.
55:59 --> 56:00 [SPEAKER_00]: So we don't need to have this kid around.
56:00 --> 56:01 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not helping him out.
56:03 --> 56:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it was a coincidence that they drafted the Stevenson either.
56:07 --> 56:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Luke has already better established as a defensive catcher than Harry.
56:12 --> 56:17 [SPEAKER_00]: the batting average and on base skills won't be as good, but the power is actually real there.
56:17 --> 56:31 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I think this was, I think they just finally, they looked at it as, instead of trying to package hair here, put them as maybe the main part of a package for a trade, they just looked at it, here's what we're gonna get for them.
56:31 --> 56:33 [SPEAKER_00]: This is the market, and we need to move on and now.
56:34 --> 56:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I know, I figured I'm pretty certain they put them in the package for trying to get you on to ran.
56:40 --> 56:44 [SPEAKER_00]: was crazy as the for things when we got a catcher that doesn't really catch, but they like the hitting tool better.
56:47 --> 56:50 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so with that, I don't want to spend the last one I have for you.
56:50 --> 57:03 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to spend too much time by any stretch talking about a back of catcher, but with the Sonny of Andrew Kisner and Harry for getting dealt away, I want to spin this more towards cow, which I wondered if going into this year.
57:03 --> 57:10 [SPEAKER_03]: They would start to try to get a more dh days and office beat a little bit more, but when you sign a back of catcher like
57:10 --> 57:17 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know running him into the ground is the right word, but does this mean they are really going to put him behind the plate, 130 plus games again?
57:19 --> 57:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And he might, you never know, like Cowell never says he's Cowell tell him when he's tired, but he's pretty much willing to go out there every day.
57:26 --> 57:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't like I wrote this because I just finished up writing the Kisser story.
57:30 --> 57:32 [SPEAKER_00]: They're going to, um,
57:32 --> 57:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Though, because I think it was $1 million, they sent it for one year, $1 million.
57:36 --> 57:50 [SPEAKER_00]: They're going to sign an experienced catcher to a minor league deal or split deal and bring them to camp too, I don't know if it's some, you know, there's a whole bunch of from out there, the least deuses of the world or whatever it is.
57:50 --> 57:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know though, they'll bring in another guy that has MLB experience that they'll tell me as a chance to make a team whatever and go from there, but
57:59 --> 58:04 [SPEAKER_00]: because I'm all interested they're going to sign two, one to a major league deal and one to a minor league deal.
58:04 --> 58:08 [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't think they're just married to a kidner for the whole year, a $1 million.
58:09 --> 58:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, given his service time and everything else, that's basically the minimum, you know, because he's seven years in, so, I mean, if that doesn't work, they find something else, or they decide like, somebody else is available, they may do that too, and they make it a just moment.
58:29 --> 58:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I, you know, I thought there was a chance they'd bring back Garver, but they weren't going to go much more than a million or whatever for that spot, I don't think.
58:40 --> 58:46 [SPEAKER_01]: And last thing for me Ryan, the Mariners had quite an injured rotation last year and it was not the performance they really wanted.
58:46 --> 58:55 [SPEAKER_01]: If you were to pick a guy from there that your most confident is going to bounce back and look like they're 2024self who would it be.
59:00 --> 59:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I think I'll say Kirby, just because like shoulder fatigue is different, you know, like, you know, at the source shoulder impingement.
59:11 --> 59:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Like the flex or thing with low guy, I think is always sort of scary, because then, you know, you're stringing your flex or that leaves the armored damage in everything else and you see, but, and Bryce's deal isn't going away, it's just, he's spound away to make sure that doesn't flare up.
59:27 --> 59:35 [SPEAKER_00]: But Kirby, there were times last year and even in a playoffs, like when he's right, with that little lower arm slot, he's pretty nasty.
59:36 --> 59:41 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think he's gradually starting to understand that you don't have to throw strike on every pitch.
59:41 --> 59:52 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's still a battle, like, evil George on the long shoulder and angel George on the other, telling him when he needs to bury a pitch and not, deciding when it's time and when he'll do it.
59:52 --> 59:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I think he's more willing to try and,
59:56 --> 01:00:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Understand how to pitch that doesn't involve this pumping strikes at all times.
01:00:01 --> 01:00:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I think he's stubborn and sometimes I get soon, but I think he has a chance to be really, really good.
01:00:07 --> 01:00:10 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, Logan, I think Logan was just going to be good.
01:00:10 --> 01:00:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know.
01:00:11 --> 01:00:15 [SPEAKER_00]: It's really weird though, how many splinters he had to be through last year.
01:00:15 --> 01:00:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't.
01:00:16 --> 01:00:19 [SPEAKER_00]: You wonder if that's good for the flexor 10, any other boat.
01:00:20 --> 01:00:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll say George, that's my guess.
01:00:22 --> 01:00:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Ryan, it's great as always to have you on here.
01:00:24 --> 01:00:27 [SPEAKER_01]: You provide some of the best information we'll have.
01:00:27 --> 01:00:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And we'll look forward to seeing you down at Spring Training where it's a lot warmer than it will be in Montana for the next couple of months.
01:00:33 --> 01:00:35 [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm sure you'll enjoy it anyways.
01:00:35 --> 01:00:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, I heard that Lulu is making like three inch shorts now for any and seems so I'll be really good now.
01:00:42 --> 01:00:43 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, right at the end.
01:00:43 --> 01:00:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
01:00:46 --> 01:00:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, good stuff is always from Ryan.
01:00:48 --> 01:00:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's just dive into it.
01:00:49 --> 01:00:52 [SPEAKER_02]: What did he say that jumped out to you the most?
01:00:53 --> 01:01:05 [SPEAKER_01]: As always with our conversations with him, it regards trading starters, because whenever he's really, really kicked up the hordes nest with us, it's trading someone off the current roster.
01:01:05 --> 01:01:19 [SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like the storyline of trading a Logan Gilbert or George Kirby gets swept down to the rug a little bit, based off the season the Mariners just have, and that they're in a contention window, and contenders don't usually trade some of the best players on their team.
01:01:20 --> 01:01:36 [SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, there's a possibility of it boiling down to the finish line of say a Catell Marta trade and the Diamondbacks are like, all right, we will do George Kirby for Catell Marta one for one.
01:01:38 --> 01:01:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Or maybe George Kirby and unharpurakingly, our guy Logan Evans for Catell Marta.
01:01:47 --> 01:01:53 [SPEAKER_02]: or it could be a curvy and a minor league prospect that's a really good prospect.
01:01:53 --> 01:01:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Could be drenchlo.
01:01:55 --> 01:02:01 [SPEAKER_01]: So curvy and drenchlo for could tell five years of could tell Marta at ninety two million dollars total.
01:02:01 --> 01:02:08 [SPEAKER_02]: And honestly, and honestly, the diamondbacks don't have to trade them with five years of control.
01:02:08 --> 01:02:09 [SPEAKER_02]: No.
01:02:09 --> 01:02:11 [SPEAKER_02]: They might ask for a lot.
01:02:11 --> 01:02:15 [SPEAKER_02]: They might say curvy and Kate Anderson for could tell.
01:02:15 --> 01:02:19 [SPEAKER_01]: At that point, do you sit there and say, is this worth it?
01:02:19 --> 01:02:25 [SPEAKER_01]: And the premise Ryan uses is if you're trading these guys, if you know you can't get an extension done with them.
01:02:25 --> 01:02:33 [SPEAKER_01]: If you already know at this point that you cannot get George Corbyn to put pen to paper and sign an extension with you,
01:02:34 --> 01:02:40 [SPEAKER_01]: then either this off season or next off season, if you want real substantial value back for him, you're gonna have to trade him.
01:02:41 --> 01:02:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And next off season, you're not gonna get that much of a chance because there's gonna be a lockout.
01:02:45 --> 01:02:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and you will get maximum five weeks from the end of the world series to when the CBA expires, the CBA expires December 1st, so I'll say four weeks.
01:02:56 --> 01:02:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's how long you would get to trade him.
01:02:58 --> 01:03:02 [SPEAKER_01]: And sometimes, no, it's like, why am I giving up this amount of capital now?
01:03:02 --> 01:03:04 [SPEAKER_01]: And I know you're going to be more desperate to move.
01:03:04 --> 01:03:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And once this thing gets figured out, right?
01:03:07 --> 01:03:10 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's a situation the Mariners are in right now.
01:03:10 --> 01:03:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And the same applies for Logan Gilbert, but with one last year of control.
01:03:14 --> 01:03:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:03:14 --> 01:03:15 [SPEAKER_02]: And again, man.
01:03:17 --> 01:03:22 [SPEAKER_02]: I know Catell changes everything if you acquire him because he's a top 10 hitter in the sport.
01:03:22 --> 01:03:25 [SPEAKER_02]: That's an objective fact by WRC+.
01:03:25 --> 01:03:25 [SPEAKER_02]: We've talked about it.
01:03:26 --> 01:03:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Top 10 hitter in the sport each of the last two years.
01:03:29 --> 01:03:30 [SPEAKER_02]: There's two sides to this.
01:03:31 --> 01:03:38 [SPEAKER_02]: There is, is that the best possible outcome you could get with an eventual George Kirby trade if he's not going to sign an extension.
01:03:38 --> 01:03:41 [SPEAKER_02]: The answer to that might be yes in terms of the talent of the player you could get back.
01:03:42 --> 01:03:44 [SPEAKER_02]: The other side do it is.
01:03:45 --> 01:03:58 [SPEAKER_02]: We didn't go too deep into it with Divisht, I mean TJ mentioned it briefly, but again, we mentioned it on one of our last couple podcasts, we'll do it here again, but stuff we heard about Katel at the winter meetings was just, it was a lot of red flags.
01:03:58 --> 01:04:06 [SPEAKER_02]: It was a lot of, yeah, I wouldn't exactly jump at the bit to trade for this guy, and I can't help but shake that.
01:04:06 --> 01:04:09 [SPEAKER_02]: When somebody's that good, and they're saying, yeah,
01:04:09 --> 01:04:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't like I wouldn't be that antsy about it and you know you have none of those issues with your two starting pitchers who are Consumant locker room guys leaders Actually, I mean, they're they fit right in.
01:04:22 --> 01:04:31 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no issues at pretty much at all But with Katelle You know what Davis was saying was is your culture strong enough to overcome that?
01:04:31 --> 01:04:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you have enough leaders?
01:04:32 --> 01:04:38 [SPEAKER_01]: You have Cal you have Julio You have Randy or these guys solidified enough
01:04:38 --> 01:04:46 [SPEAKER_01]: where it doesn't really matter if Kitello's gonna operate somewhat differently because overall as a collective unit, it's strong enough.
01:04:47 --> 01:04:51 [SPEAKER_02]: you might have left out the most important leader of that group for this specific situation.
01:04:51 --> 01:04:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Josh Nailer.
01:04:52 --> 01:04:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Josh Nailer.
01:04:53 --> 01:05:08 [SPEAKER_02]: A could tell Marta Trade may hinge on him in terms of coming to Seattle, because if Josh Nailer, in his time with could tell Marta with the data max, when, as Davis mentioned, saw the stuff go down with could tell taking days off and not communicating with the team.
01:05:08 --> 01:05:17 [SPEAKER_02]: And again, for all we know there could be more to that from the conversations we had at sounded like, maybe there is more to the whole Marta internal turmoil stuff than what's public.
01:05:17 --> 01:05:25 [SPEAKER_02]: But with all that, if Naylor says I really like to play with them, that stuff got over blown, I think he'd fit our team great.
01:05:25 --> 01:05:34 [SPEAKER_02]: then Mariners are much more inclined if Naylor says I could not stand play with that guy and I think he can kill a locker room and kill a clubhouse.
01:05:35 --> 01:05:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Mariners probably aren't making the trade because I bet you, David should have the same thing and we've talked about it.
01:05:41 --> 01:05:48 [SPEAKER_02]: I bet you the Mariners are absolutely calling Josh Naylor to ask him his thoughts on Catelmar a table before they execute a trade.
01:05:49 --> 01:05:55 [SPEAKER_01]: The frustrating part of this is if you're going to trade one of those guys and you're thinking about potential guys you could get back that are better.
01:05:55 --> 01:06:04 [SPEAKER_01]: The only one I could think of that's better than Catomartate that might be available is Francisco Lindor, but we don't even know if he's available, really.
01:06:05 --> 01:06:10 [SPEAKER_01]: And on top of that, Catel is making less than $100 million over the next five years.
01:06:11 --> 01:06:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Francisco Lindor's owed over $200 million.
01:06:15 --> 01:06:18 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot, but he's probably a future Hall of Famer.
01:06:19 --> 01:06:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, and could tell might be too, or at least a Hall of Very Good.
01:06:23 --> 01:06:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it could tell it's probably not at that level, at least yet.
01:06:25 --> 01:06:26 [SPEAKER_02]: He didn't need a few more really good years.
01:06:27 --> 01:06:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Lindor, like, he's going to be a Hall of Famer if this all keeps up.
01:06:31 --> 01:06:39 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the only person I could think of that might be available in the trade block that would be better than getting Kattomar Tayback, even with all of the red flags.
01:06:39 --> 01:06:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:06:40 --> 01:06:44 [SPEAKER_01]: And even with is your is your clubhouse strong enough to handle something like that.
01:06:44 --> 01:06:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Like that's something the Mariners will ultimately decide if they're going to trade a starter.
01:06:48 --> 01:06:49 [SPEAKER_01]: The biggest one for me, man.
01:06:49 --> 01:06:51 [SPEAKER_01]: The biggest swing in all of this.
01:06:52 --> 01:07:03 [SPEAKER_01]: We talked about George Kirby, Logan Gilbert's another year closer to free agency, and it doesn't sound as much, at least right now, that him and the Mariners are anywhere near an extension, right?
01:07:03 --> 01:07:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And if the Mariners want something substantial back for Logan Gilbert, like this is the offseason to do it, but the problem is, Logan Gilbert could also be your best starter next year.
01:07:13 --> 01:07:14 [SPEAKER_01]: So...
01:07:15 --> 01:07:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, what's worth it?
01:07:17 --> 01:07:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, what is worth it?
01:07:18 --> 01:07:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it worth it to trade and get maximum value for Logan Gilbert right now?
01:07:21 --> 01:07:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Or have him be your best starter in a year where you need to contend and go and make it in win a world series?
01:07:27 --> 01:07:33 [SPEAKER_02]: I think with Logan it might have to be one of those ones where you just ride with them until free agency if he never signs the extension.
01:07:33 --> 01:07:38 [SPEAKER_02]: If you traded Logan Gilbert this winter, how does your clubhouse respond?
01:07:38 --> 01:07:44 [SPEAKER_02]: As Davis mentions, how does your catcher and best player respond to his favorite picture being dealt?
01:07:44 --> 01:07:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Betrayed.
01:07:45 --> 01:07:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:07:46 --> 01:07:48 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think you can't do that.
01:07:48 --> 01:07:52 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't even say I don't think you can't do that with Gilbert.
01:07:53 --> 01:07:57 [SPEAKER_01]: And I agree, if that's what the cost is for Catel Marte, I'm out.
01:07:58 --> 01:08:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And right, there are arguments to be made that you're not a better team, adding Ketel Marta and subtracting Logan Gilbert, because you would think with a full healthy season of Logan Gilbert gets his mechanics a little more back in order and he gets a little bit more consistent that he would be an all star pitcher.
01:08:14 --> 01:08:28 [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, Ketel might be an all star hitter, but he'd be an all star hitter that's trending towards being a DH while Logan Gilbert would be an all star pitcher, trending towards throwing over 200 innings, which are two, those are just, it's different workloads for the two of them.
01:08:28 --> 01:08:38 [SPEAKER_02]: And if you're not trading Logan this winner, you're riding with them until free agency, because a year left with Logan Gilbert on his deal, that becomes the Corbin Burnstradin.
01:08:38 --> 01:08:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Again, look with the Orioles got back for Corbin Burnstradin.
01:08:41 --> 01:08:42 [SPEAKER_02]: It was not substantial.
01:08:42 --> 01:08:44 [SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't terrible, but it was prospects.
01:08:44 --> 01:08:46 [SPEAKER_02]: It was prospects that were not cold Emerson types.
01:08:47 --> 01:08:54 [SPEAKER_02]: So if you're not trading in this winner, which you should not, in any way, then you're riding with them until free agency.
01:08:54 --> 01:08:56 [SPEAKER_01]: There's not a package back you could get for him.
01:08:56 --> 01:09:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that would convince most of the most of the clubhouse that would be an okay trade.
01:09:02 --> 01:09:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Like we're at least you're getting Ronald Decunia.
01:09:06 --> 01:09:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Who, by the way, didn't even have a very good year last year.
01:09:09 --> 01:09:09 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
01:09:09 --> 01:09:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Like one soda, but you can't afford that.
01:09:12 --> 01:09:23 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, it's now like Divish said, the cow extension kind of came about
01:09:23 --> 01:09:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, what did David say?
01:09:24 --> 01:09:32 [SPEAKER_02]: He said he had heard from Cal that talks had started, but it kind of came out onto the scene.
01:09:32 --> 01:09:35 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to say unexpectedly, but- Quickly.
01:09:36 --> 01:09:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it came together decently fast.
01:09:38 --> 01:09:39 [SPEAKER_02]: That could happen with Logan.
01:09:39 --> 01:09:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's not, like, totally belittle that.
01:09:41 --> 01:09:45 [SPEAKER_02]: There could be a Logan extension that gets done before the start of the year that nobody really sees coming.
01:09:46 --> 01:09:47 [SPEAKER_02]: But,
01:09:47 --> 01:09:49 [SPEAKER_02]: right now, it doesn't seem like anything's imminent.
01:09:50 --> 01:09:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And Divishly did out in the interview and Logan lives in Orlando.
01:09:53 --> 01:09:55 [SPEAKER_01]: How far is Orlando from Seattle?
01:09:56 --> 01:09:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, as we just experienced, it's about as far as you can get.
01:10:02 --> 01:10:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe eventually the money will talk, but we know Logan's from Florida, he's an East Coast guy.
01:10:08 --> 01:10:09 [SPEAKER_01]: At the same thing applies to Kirby.
01:10:10 --> 01:10:15 [SPEAKER_01]: So the guys that prefer being closer to family, being closer to things they're more familiar with,
01:10:17 --> 01:10:25 [SPEAKER_01]: and are able to use as the wrong word but play in Seattle to have their numbers look really good and the ballpark is really good.
01:10:25 --> 01:10:33 [SPEAKER_01]: It's very favorable to pitchers and you get a huge payday and fragrance and these guys look and they see what what Dylan sees just got.
01:10:33 --> 01:10:36 [SPEAKER_01]: $210 million Dylan sees is a really good starting pitcher.
01:10:37 --> 01:10:40 [SPEAKER_01]: How many good years to Dylan sees have like two
01:10:40 --> 01:10:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think you're starting to see a lot of front offices not use ERAs as a very serious indicator for what a pitcher's worth because Dylan's had a four and a half ERA this past year.
01:10:52 --> 01:10:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Everything under the hood said he was really good and he still got the money and that applies to Kirby and Gilbert.
01:10:58 --> 01:11:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Kirby has got the command.
01:11:00 --> 01:11:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Gilbert has as good swing and miss stuff as any starter in Major League Baseball and
01:11:10 --> 01:11:12 [SPEAKER_01]: ERA, or home run numbers, or something like that.
01:11:13 --> 01:11:21 [SPEAKER_01]: So Logan Gilbert gives up $130 million extension from the Mariners for the potential to make $200 million in two years in free agency.
01:11:22 --> 01:11:22 [SPEAKER_01]: So we'll see.
01:11:22 --> 01:11:30 [SPEAKER_01]: But the other risk for that for Logan is that if they misgames in 2027 teams are not going to be lining up to pay him $200 million.
01:11:30 --> 01:11:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Unless it's the Dodgers.
01:11:31 --> 01:11:33 [SPEAKER_01]: But the Dodgers starters are all under contract.
01:11:34 --> 01:11:38 [SPEAKER_01]: So where's their spot to pay him $200 million in LA?
01:11:38 --> 01:11:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and that's not exactly the East Coast either.
01:11:40 --> 01:11:41 [SPEAKER_01]: If that's not looking for.
01:11:41 --> 01:11:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
01:11:42 --> 01:11:45 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, is it the Metzer Boss for both of them?
01:11:45 --> 01:11:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, because I'll tell you this for Logan.
01:11:47 --> 01:11:51 [SPEAKER_01]: He's not getting a contract of $200 million from the Razer Marlins.
01:11:51 --> 01:11:53 [SPEAKER_01]: That's for sure.
01:11:53 --> 01:11:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Could it be the Braves?
01:11:54 --> 01:11:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Could be the Braves.
01:11:55 --> 01:11:57 [SPEAKER_01]: That would be about as close as you could get.
01:11:58 --> 01:11:59 [SPEAKER_01]: With a competitive team, yeah.
01:11:59 --> 01:12:01 [SPEAKER_01]: But the Braves are in big free agency players either.
01:12:02 --> 01:12:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Even though they offered Edwin Diaz five years, yeah.
01:12:06 --> 01:12:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, they've even, it must have been five for a very lower amount.
01:12:10 --> 01:12:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
01:12:11 --> 01:12:14 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it just gave Robert Swire as a pretty decent deal as a closer.
01:12:14 --> 01:12:15 [SPEAKER_02]: This is fair.
01:12:15 --> 01:12:18 [SPEAKER_01]: But 45 million, it was like, what, 45 for Swaris?
01:12:19 --> 01:12:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, over three, which again, for a reliever.
01:12:21 --> 01:12:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, there's a voice crack.
01:12:22 --> 01:12:25 [SPEAKER_02]: For a reliever is like, top, close to the top of the market.
01:12:26 --> 01:12:32 [SPEAKER_01]: But if they're gonna go top of the market with Logan Gilbert, we're talking, like that C6 extension is the star, or that C's contract is the starter.
01:12:32 --> 01:12:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:12:33 --> 01:12:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And the Braves gave out a $200 million contract Austin Riley, and, I don't know, that's it.
01:12:39 --> 01:12:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like they've given out some other big deals but not that much.
01:12:42 --> 01:12:44 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I don't know.
01:12:44 --> 01:12:46 [SPEAKER_02]: It'll be interesting to see how it all plays out.
01:12:46 --> 01:12:47 [SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot up in the air right now.
01:12:47 --> 01:12:48 [SPEAKER_02]: There's no doubt.
01:12:48 --> 01:12:54 [SPEAKER_01]: So it It doesn't it doesn't sound like the Mariners right now.
01:12:54 --> 01:13:02 [SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna trade anyone of their starters for Catel Marta If that's the drop dead price for Catel I think the Mariners walk away
01:13:02 --> 01:13:08 [SPEAKER_02]: I do too, and again, we'll go back to the report that Nick Pocoro put out from the Arizona Republic.
01:13:08 --> 01:13:18 [SPEAKER_02]: I was talking about between the raise and diamond backs was the diamond backs getting Ryan Pepeo, my guy, and Shane Bos, two big league starters who have had real success and are young and controllable.
01:13:19 --> 01:13:20 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if the mariner's want to give that up.
01:13:22 --> 01:13:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Nope, but there's another potential option you can go for.
01:13:26 --> 01:13:29 [SPEAKER_01]: It sounds like he's available that we'll talk about on Friday's episode.
01:13:29 --> 01:13:30 [SPEAKER_01]: might be a lot cheaper.
01:13:31 --> 01:13:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Nico Horner I would I would listen to Friday's episode because there is a lot to like about him.
01:13:37 --> 01:13:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't come with as many red flags and we'll make you very very very good.
01:13:41 --> 01:13:46 [SPEAKER_02]: And let me give this as a sales pitch in addition to that for people to listen on Nico Horner.
01:13:46 --> 01:13:53 [SPEAKER_02]: He is much more exciting as a player than you're probably going to give him credit for a face value, much, much more exciting.
01:13:53 --> 01:13:55 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll even say borderline game changer.
01:13:55 --> 01:13:58 [SPEAKER_02]: So if you need a reason to tune in for Friday, we'll explain why.
01:13:59 --> 01:14:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me just leave you with this.
01:14:01 --> 01:14:02 [SPEAKER_01]: He might be better than you can tell Marta.
01:14:04 --> 01:14:05 [SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty good sales pitch.
01:14:05 --> 01:14:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Stay tuned and find out.
01:14:06 --> 01:14:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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