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00:00 --> 00:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, when I ever saw number 352 of the Marine Lair podcast, loud and I have some more reaction to the big free agents, signings at the end of last week, and we have a few more free agent relievers we want to highlight as potential options for the Mariners as they look to close out this off season.
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01:07 --> 01:32 [SPEAKER_01]: And we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Lair podcast part of the just baseball podcast network recording here on Sunday evening January 18th now that another weekend has gone by and there's a lot of positive vibes around the scene of Seattle Sports Low have you out of chance to reconsider your thought about this potentially being the best Seattle sports year of all time is their momentum gaining towards actually being so
01:33 --> 01:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Momentum's gaining, but I still think the Seahawks are probably gonna have to win, because I don't know how a bunch of teams combining together to lose in the playoffs takes over a team that actually won it all.
01:47 --> 01:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Two good teams over one, but if you don't win, doesn't have to defeat the purpose.
01:54 --> 02:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe a little bit, but after what you watched on Saturday, I feel like you'd feel pretty confident that they will, that they'll win it all.
02:03 --> 02:26 [SPEAKER_01]: yeah well they are playing the rams now they are so they went on sunday then i feel like that might be a bigger gauge forward of yeah this is i actually do think now because i think they're going to win the superball that they're going to end up with the greatest capping the greatest Seattle sportsy ever if they went on sunday
02:26 --> 02:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we're going to be having a real conversation, but they got to go do that first because it's not going to be an easy hurdle to jump.
02:32 --> 02:37 [SPEAKER_00]: If they got into play the bears, I got to tell you what, I think they would have absolutely kicked their ass.
02:38 --> 02:38 [SPEAKER_01]: You would have stamped it now.
02:39 --> 02:40 [SPEAKER_01]: What's that?
02:40 --> 02:41 [SPEAKER_01]: You would have stamped it now.
02:42 --> 02:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
02:42 --> 02:43 [SPEAKER_00]: They've been playing the bears.
02:44 --> 02:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I think they would have won by three scores.
02:45 --> 02:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think the bears would have stood a chance against this defense, but now they're going to play the Rams.
02:51 --> 02:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so maybe it allows proclamation of the greatest Seattle sports.
02:56 --> 03:00 [SPEAKER_01]: You're all times going to have to wait at least three episodes.
03:01 --> 03:02 [SPEAKER_01]: We have an exactly playing it.
03:02 --> 03:12 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a chance we record probably a better, better chance than none that we record before the Seox game next Sunday, so you won't actually get.
03:12 --> 03:23 [SPEAKER_01]: to stamp like instant reaction after of it being the like seawks when an absolute thriller on sunday lousy again say okay mariners game seven a.m. c.s.
03:23 --> 03:29 [SPEAKER_01]: seawks I think are going to win the super bowl yet I'm ready to claim it might have to wait until next Wednesday's episode.
03:30 --> 03:35 [SPEAKER_00]: It's probably right, but soon enough we'll be able to actually close the discussion.
03:36 --> 03:39 [SPEAKER_00]: But even then, don't you still have to wait to see him win?
03:40 --> 03:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel he would be more of a heartbreaking year in Seattle Sports if the Mariners lost the way they lost in the ALCS and the C.O.X lost in the Super Bowl, let me tell you.
03:47 --> 04:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Could it be true that it could be the most heartbreaking year of all time and the best?
04:02 --> 04:04 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's where that's where you'll draw the line in the sand.
04:04 --> 04:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to do that because we don't have many titles to talk from.
04:09 --> 04:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Like Boston, the, at the seawks make this year a world, they're almost certainly going to be playing the Patriots.
04:15 --> 04:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Boston sports fans have quite a few years they can pick from to be the greatest greatest year in Boston sports history given how many titles they've had.
04:25 --> 04:28 [SPEAKER_01]: But we listed off all the titles the city has on here.
04:28 --> 04:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Mariners don't have one, C. Oaks have one, Husky's have one, Storm have Storm have four, Sounders have two, but the latter to I just named are not major for sports.
04:42 --> 04:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Sonic's have one,
04:46 --> 04:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, but that's why the one title I put is the best year because again, the Mariners sign robby that year Good job, Jackson.
04:56 --> 04:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, Jackson, Jay-Z.
04:58 --> 05:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you say that sarcastically, but it was a great signing don't let anybody ever gaslight you into hearing otherwise It robins it can I was a bad signing like anybody ever ever not what I'm saying.
05:11 --> 05:12 [SPEAKER_01]: No, you know what I'm saying
05:12 --> 05:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Just like the bar for excellence with Jack C was signing Robinson cano.
05:18 --> 05:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Nothing that actually happened on the field.
05:22 --> 05:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Robbie himself was good.
05:23 --> 05:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Now the team around him is another story.
05:25 --> 05:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Hmm, that's different.
05:27 --> 05:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and and signing Nelson Cruz probably is too bit best moments.
05:33 --> 05:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe extending Felix to for, you know, the first half of that contract.
05:37 --> 05:38 [SPEAKER_01]: But that was not.
05:38 --> 06:05 [SPEAKER_01]: part of that twenty thirteen year which no so that's what i'll give you how about this we're gonna check in before next Wednesday's episode see you see what the vibe is the vibe could be totally downtrodden and none of us want to talk about how great of a Seattle sports year it is if they lose in the NFC championship very real possibility maybe i will change my mind by then it's gonna be a stressful game isn't it it's gonna be a stressful week seriously
06:06 --> 06:07 [SPEAKER_01]: But we'll try and keep everyone distracted.
06:07 --> 06:10 [SPEAKER_01]: They're still some Mariners conversation.
06:10 --> 06:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Had Jerry could shake things up and trade for Brennan down in this week?
06:13 --> 06:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, sorry.
06:14 --> 06:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't believe I said his name.
06:16 --> 06:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Jerry could trade for name redacted this week.
06:21 --> 06:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Cheers everyone up a little bit.
06:22 --> 06:22 [SPEAKER_01]: He could.
06:23 --> 06:27 [SPEAKER_00]: We're just waiting and waiting and waiting.
06:28 --> 06:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I hope it happened soon.
06:29 --> 06:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I really do.
06:30 --> 06:32 [SPEAKER_00]: And we've said that now for eight episodes in a row.
06:33 --> 06:47 [SPEAKER_01]: We also have some potential free agent relievers that I don't think the Mariners are totally out of it for relievers this off season if one falls into their lap at a very appropriate price and there's some cases to be made for a lot of the guys out there.
06:47 --> 06:57 [SPEAKER_01]: We picked three of them that we'll talk about in the second half of this episode and you can make in case that these guys could come to the Mariners on a short deal that's affordable and
06:57 --> 07:06 [SPEAKER_01]: pitch well for them, but as we'll highlight with a lot of the guys that's left for the bullpen for bullpens, these guys are all really volatile.
07:07 --> 07:14 [SPEAKER_01]: So, handing any of them a large amount of guaranteed money is something the mayor's for the most part.
07:14 --> 07:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't have interest in and I can't play them.
07:16 --> 07:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Even for the guy that we're going to talk about that I'm most high on, his volatility is insane.
07:22 --> 07:27 [SPEAKER_01]: So I would understand not wanting to pay him what he's worth despite how good he was last year,
07:28 --> 07:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to talk about some of the conversation that came after our episode on Thursday.
07:34 --> 07:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Not only did Lyle get his heart broken, but the Dodgers and the Mets at the end of last week stirred up a lot of discussion.
07:45 --> 07:46 [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of discussion for me.
07:47 --> 07:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I put out a post on Friday morning.
07:49 --> 08:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I was talking about my thoughts on the whole situation on Kyle Tucker signing for $60 million a year, Boba Shet signing for an absurd, an absurd, $42 million a year.
08:03 --> 08:05 [SPEAKER_01]: And there were people had a lot to say after that.
08:06 --> 08:08 [SPEAKER_01]: What did you have to say after that?
08:09 --> 08:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I still want Kyle Tucker.
08:14 --> 08:15 [SPEAKER_00]: OK.
08:19 --> 08:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I wish he was a mariner?
08:20 --> 08:22 [SPEAKER_00]: No, all right, I'll give some actual thoughts.
08:23 --> 08:28 [SPEAKER_00]: My thoughts are, well, I have a few, but I'll start with this.
08:29 --> 08:35 [SPEAKER_00]: there's really only two teams in Major League Baseball that can even be handing out these type of deals, right?
08:35 --> 08:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's fair to say, and that was some of what you highlighted in your post and what you talked about on social media.
08:41 --> 08:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Even for his teams that spend as much money as the Phillies or teams like the, who else is BlueJay in his favor?
08:49 --> 08:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the BlueJay's maybe could, so you could put them in the second tier behind the Dodger limit.
08:54 --> 08:54 [SPEAKER_00]: But they didn't.
08:55 --> 08:58 [SPEAKER_00]: They didn't, they didn't, couldn't didn't are two different things.
08:58 --> 08:59 [SPEAKER_00]: They chose not to.
08:59 --> 09:01 [SPEAKER_00]: They could have done it if they wanted to.
09:01 --> 09:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Could have done it.
09:03 --> 09:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
09:03 --> 09:06 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think what the BlueJays have the advantage of.
09:06 --> 09:08 [SPEAKER_01]: So they don't make the revenue that the Dodgers do.
09:08 --> 09:13 [SPEAKER_01]: But since they're owned by such a big company, they have revenue year over year.
09:13 --> 09:15 [SPEAKER_01]: What they were willing to do was go long.
09:15 --> 09:18 [SPEAKER_01]: for Kyle Tucker, and I think long for Boba Shet.
09:19 --> 09:30 [SPEAKER_01]: But instead, the Metz and Dodgers say, we have fistfuls of cash right now that we can hand you, that the Blue Jays would not be willing to hand Boba Shet $42 million a year.
09:31 --> 09:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Right?
09:32 --> 09:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, see what I'm saying?
09:33 --> 09:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's the same thing for the Phillies as well.
09:36 --> 09:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
09:36 --> 09:38 [SPEAKER_00]: So maybe there's really only two teams.
09:38 --> 09:45 [SPEAKER_00]: So yes, the other teams in the league that spend a lot, like the Phillies, like the Braves who are usually top 10
09:46 --> 09:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Not only would they not give these contracts out, I don't know if they can give these contracts out.
09:51 --> 09:56 [SPEAKER_00]: It's really two teams, which is a tough thing for the rest of the league to be able to adjust to.
09:57 --> 10:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd say that was my biggest takeaway is, for as many owners that are as bad as they are across the game of baseball, that spending contracts like this in terms of that A.V., I don't think there's a lot of teams out there that can truly do it.
10:12 --> 10:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Just look at the top 10 payrolls in baseball and how much they spend.
10:15 --> 10:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you can even extend past that to owners we know that spend considerable amounts of money on players, I'll go from 11 down on teams we've seen hand out large contracts to it could be just good players, it could be to great players as well, the giants.
10:34 --> 10:35 [SPEAKER_01]: were like aggressively.
10:35 --> 10:40 [SPEAKER_01]: They're number 11, aggressively handed out long, big contracts to players.
10:41 --> 10:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Wouldn't have even sniffed this.
10:42 --> 10:47 [SPEAKER_01]: The Astros have a payroll right now of $250 million that have not been hesitant to spend it all.
10:48 --> 10:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think they're smart that they traded Kyle Tucker?
10:51 --> 10:52 [SPEAKER_01]: C.C.
10:52 --> 10:53 [SPEAKER_01]: million dollars a year?
10:53 --> 10:54 [SPEAKER_01]: They would never.
10:54 --> 10:56 [SPEAKER_01]: They would never do that.
10:56 --> 10:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that is a lot.
10:59 --> 10:59 [SPEAKER_01]: The Cubs.
11:00 --> 11:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the Cubs spent on Breggman.
11:02 --> 11:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Breggman's contract looks like peanuts compared to these guys.
11:06 --> 11:09 [SPEAKER_01]: And Alex is better than both of them.
11:09 --> 11:09 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
11:12 --> 11:12 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
11:12 --> 11:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
11:13 --> 11:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Then Kyle Tucker?
11:13 --> 11:14 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
11:14 --> 11:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
11:15 --> 11:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't think so.
11:16 --> 11:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Alex Breggman is a nine win season in his career.
11:19 --> 11:21 [SPEAKER_00]: But they're not paying pregnant for the player he was.
11:21 --> 11:24 [SPEAKER_00]: They're paying them for the guy he is right now.
11:24 --> 11:26 [SPEAKER_00]: They're not paying nine win Alex pregnant.
11:26 --> 11:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Right now Kyle Tucker's a better player than pregnant.
11:29 --> 11:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I was maybe thinking historically, but we're not, that's not the point of this discussion.
11:36 --> 11:38 [SPEAKER_01]: That was the price for Alex pregnant.
11:39 --> 11:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Alex pregnant will not be a cup.
11:41 --> 11:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Fair?
11:42 --> 12:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Probably yeah, okay, braves spent a ton of money nowhere close Padre's actively shedding payroll at number seven no way red sox I mean They just signed their first free agent after watching all these guys go no way what they do it red sox number six Yankees I mean they they they're they're they're battling with Cody Balinger right now And they they also said that they could not match the the money of those those other contracts and then there's these two teams
12:11 --> 12:23 [SPEAKER_01]: which we now have, like, reports of their proposed contract offers to Boba Shet and to Kyle Tucker versus what the Dodgers and Met's offered and it's not even close.
12:23 --> 12:28 [SPEAKER_01]: The example I used in my post for people who only listen and don't follow us on Instagram.
12:28 --> 12:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Or just anywhere across social media to talk YouTube, Twitter, anywhere.
12:32 --> 12:34 [SPEAKER_01]: You're more just like a podcast listener.
12:34 --> 12:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me re-hash
12:36 --> 12:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Like the main point that I made about it being feeling unfair and this is where we can start to draw this back to the Mariners or even if the Mariners had the kind of money everyone wishes they had It's they can't compete with this even in the best case scenario the fillies who right now are the number three payroll and baseball offered Boba shit
13:00 --> 13:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, they offer them seven for 200.
13:02 --> 13:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Think, yeah, seven for 200.
13:06 --> 13:09 [SPEAKER_01]: The AAV on that is $28 million a year.
13:11 --> 13:18 [SPEAKER_01]: The difference between what the Met's offered, Boba Shet and what the Philly's offered Boba Shet was $14 million a year.
13:20 --> 13:29 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're Boba Shet, not only are you taking the higher AAV, but you know you have another chance to get another big contract in a few years when you hit free agency.
13:30 --> 13:32 [SPEAKER_01]: how are the Philly's supposed to connect with it?
13:32 --> 13:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Are the Philly's gonna hand over that kind of cash?
13:34 --> 13:39 [SPEAKER_01]: The only player they handed over that could type of cash for was the best picture and baseball at the time.
13:40 --> 13:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Was that Queller?
13:41 --> 13:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Of course, Zach Wheeler's worth that much money.
13:44 --> 13:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Is Boba Shet one of the best players in baseball?
13:47 --> 13:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, as he is good as Zach Wheeler was as a pitcher.
13:51 --> 13:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know if that bovishet is one of the best players in baseball.
13:54 --> 14:01 [SPEAKER_00]: He's a good player, but he's never been a five win player, like you highlighted, and he hasn't been a four win player in four years.
14:03 --> 14:10 [SPEAKER_01]: That's, and that's where like teams will start throwing their arms up or it's saying like bovishet's getting that kind of money, really?
14:10 --> 14:17 [SPEAKER_01]: And then there's the Kyle Tucker thing where we were unable to do the math in the moment on the podcast.
14:18 --> 14:21 [SPEAKER_01]: He is making more money in present-day value than showhio-tonny.
14:23 --> 14:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Because showhé with all the, will showhé at the current value is 48 million dollars a year, right?
14:30 --> 14:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Cal Tucker is making $57 million a year.
14:34 --> 14:36 [SPEAKER_01]: You're the biggest fan of Kyle Tucker of all time.
14:37 --> 14:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Kyle Tucker worth $57 million a year.
14:41 --> 14:46 [SPEAKER_00]: That is a lot, I will admit, I still want him, but yes, that is a lot of money.
14:46 --> 14:48 [SPEAKER_01]: is you worth $57 million a year.
14:50 --> 14:53 [SPEAKER_00]: If you were just going to use math, it would not back such a statement up.
14:54 --> 15:00 [SPEAKER_00]: No, because if one war is worth $8 million, it does not suggest Kyle Tucker's worth $57 million a year.
15:01 --> 15:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Another fun fact, Kyle Tucker's never been worth five wins in a season ever.
15:06 --> 15:07 [SPEAKER_00]: By F4, yes.
15:07 --> 15:08 [SPEAKER_00]: By F4, yes.
15:08 --> 15:10 [SPEAKER_00]: By his, beware, hasn't higher.
15:11 --> 15:13 [SPEAKER_01]: You know who has been worth five F4?
15:14 --> 15:15 [SPEAKER_01]: That'd be Julio.
15:15 --> 15:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
15:16 --> 15:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Kind of a crazy.
15:17 --> 15:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Another boba-shet or Kyle Tucker has been worth that much.
15:20 --> 15:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Julio has kind of niche.
15:22 --> 15:23 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, okay, your point.
15:23 --> 15:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, Julio's pretty good.
15:26 --> 15:27 [SPEAKER_01]: He's on a bargain contract.
15:27 --> 15:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Stop saying he's overpaid.
15:29 --> 15:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Please.
15:30 --> 15:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I mean, I think Julio's on at three times, right?
15:32 --> 15:33 [SPEAKER_00]: He's at three times.
15:33 --> 15:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
15:34 --> 15:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Three out of his four seasons.
15:35 --> 15:36 [SPEAKER_01]: The only season was 24.
15:36 --> 15:38 [SPEAKER_01]: He wasn't worth five wins.
15:38 --> 15:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Kind of crazy.
15:39 --> 15:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Good thing the Mariners signed him when they did because is that man hit the open market He'd be making Kyle Tucker money and then some do from the you'd go to the Dodgers.
15:46 --> 16:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Dude think about this Hulio right now if they hadn't extended them He'd have he'd have two years before free agency He'll be freaking out right now about if they can keep them so would I that would be our number one topic at his offseason Screw the rotation Yeah
16:06 --> 16:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Good thing they did.
16:07 --> 16:10 [SPEAKER_01]: That was one of their better moves that they've made.
16:10 --> 16:20 [SPEAKER_01]: The main set of men I was thinking after seeing these extensions and seeing some of the reaction from people, how we've always reacted this because we've always been pro player.
16:21 --> 16:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Guys can get paid.
16:22 --> 16:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Mariners need to spend more money all this.
16:24 --> 16:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not excusing the Mariners' current spending.
16:27 --> 16:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Cause they could spend a whole lot more.
16:29 --> 16:38 [SPEAKER_01]: and they should spend a whole lot more because they have an entire rotation full of unsigned guys who for the one who is the fewest years before he's a free agent, Logan Gilbert is too left.
16:39 --> 16:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Him and Hulia are the same, we're in the same clock.
16:42 --> 16:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I would like them to start spending money on them, but even in a best case scenario, if the Mariners wanted some of these best players, they have no chance.
16:52 --> 16:55 [SPEAKER_01]: With all the geography that works against them,
16:55 --> 17:05 [SPEAKER_01]: The amount of money they would have to spend to get into the conversation with the Dodgers operating how they currently do, it's pretty unfair, this is the first time I've actually kind of felt it's unfair.
17:06 --> 17:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Show way I think really just like the Dodgers.
17:08 --> 17:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they were willing to pay the most money, but you already liked LA and it makes sense for them for them for a business perspective.
17:15 --> 17:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Kyle Tucker did not have to go to the Dodgers.
17:17 --> 17:22 [SPEAKER_01]: The Dodgers just have a cheat code amount of money.
17:22 --> 17:23 [SPEAKER_01]: to spend on players.
17:24 --> 17:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Isn't it what the tax, Kyle Tucker, the Dodgers are gonna pay Kyle Tucker $120 million a year in value?
17:32 --> 17:34 [SPEAKER_00]: That sounds right, yes.
17:34 --> 17:39 [SPEAKER_00]: And their current luxury tax is more than a third of the team's payrolls in the league.
17:40 --> 17:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I think now it's worth more than the Mariners payroll is, cause it was $110 last year, right?
17:45 --> 17:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I think this year, their luxury tax is gonna be $165 million, which you're right, is more than the Mariners' entire payroll.
17:53 --> 17:53 [SPEAKER_00]: That's crazy.
17:54 --> 17:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Do people know why the Dodgers have so much money to spend, by the way?
17:58 --> 18:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, part of it is because they have this ridiculous TV deal.
18:03 --> 18:21 [SPEAKER_00]: There's actually a little bit more to it than that, because maybe this story isn't well told, and maybe it hasn't gotten enough spotlight, but the reason the Dodgers have this crazy TV contract is not just because they're in LA and made a good business decision with Spectrum, but when the old owner,
18:21 --> 18:31 [SPEAKER_00]: So the courts when they sold the team they filed for bankruptcy if I have this right they were going through divorce too.
18:31 --> 18:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the way the two were going through divorce
18:36 --> 18:39 [SPEAKER_00]: The husband of the couple, Frank McCourt, Fred McCourt.
18:39 --> 18:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Frank.
18:40 --> 18:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Frank.
18:41 --> 18:43 [SPEAKER_00]: He was technically the owner.
18:43 --> 18:48 [SPEAKER_00]: The wife technically was not the primary owner, but she's like, no, I did a ton with this team.
18:48 --> 18:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I have a stake in this franchise too.
18:50 --> 18:58 [SPEAKER_00]: There was a whole, there was a whole lawsuit and settlement about it, but part of what ended up,
18:58 --> 19:08 [SPEAKER_00]: coming as a result of the divorce was when Mark Walter bought a team and Guggenheim ended up being the Dodgers New Ownership Group.
19:08 --> 19:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I think getting this ridiculous TV deal was part of what they gained as a result of the McCourt's divorce.
19:16 --> 19:18 [SPEAKER_01]: They had to rush, I think they had to rush.
19:19 --> 19:25 [SPEAKER_01]: So what they had to do for the Guggenheim to buy them was if I remember this right,
19:25 --> 19:48 [SPEAKER_01]: they had to rush to establish value of the team and part of the value of every baseball team from franchise valuation is their television contract because it's either a detractor or in this case a huge positive and the reason they had to do that because this this also coincided this divorce in bankruptcy coincided with the Dodgers old TV deal expiring.
19:48 --> 19:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
19:48 --> 20:00 [SPEAKER_01]: So majorly baseball had to go to, and, and, yeah, I think it was majorly baseball because they took temporary ownership of the team, they had to establish in court what they thought fair market value was for their TV deal.
20:01 --> 20:05 [SPEAKER_01]: And what amount of money they would have to revenue share with the rest of baseball?
20:06 --> 20:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Little did they know that the Dodgers would start making a whole lot more money on that television deal.
20:12 --> 20:18 [SPEAKER_01]: then MLB establish, which I believe the amount is $84 million a year they have to revenue share.
20:18 --> 20:26 [SPEAKER_01]: The Dodgers make over $300 million a year on that TV deal.
20:26 --> 20:34 [SPEAKER_01]: There is, they get to keep 80% or more, 90% of the revenue on that TV deal.
20:35 --> 21:00 [SPEAKER_00]: just for themselves that they don't have to share the root sports money that the Mariners made all of that had to be revenue share the Dodgers are the only team in baseball who does not have to share that amount of money and it all goes back to this divorce back in 2010 to 2011 like you're talking about because they totally misread the value of that TV Dale and what it was worth and as a result the Dodgers bring in all this ridiculous money from it so
21:01 --> 21:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Mark Walter, we did, we looked this up a couple weeks ago.
21:04 --> 21:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Mark Walter himself, the Dodgers owner, is the fifth richest owner in Major League Baseball.
21:09 --> 21:22 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not number one, but the Dodgers spend the most money because they are able to spend so much off of that TV deal, which they know they're going to make back on a yearly basis, and they know how much money that they now make off a show.
21:22 --> 21:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, Otani, every year, that
21:25 --> 21:35 [SPEAKER_00]: cash flows in, where even though other teams should be spending a hell of a lot more than they do, they don't have the cash flow that the Dodgers have, and that's why they're spending these ridiculous amounts.
21:35 --> 21:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Like the TV deals for most teams in Major League Baseball, especially now with the RS and model crumbling is well under $100 million, and they have to rev share that.
21:45 --> 21:51 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the, like that's the Mariners pot they're in, like that's the difference in cash available that these teams have.
21:52 --> 22:15 [SPEAKER_00]: did you see that the braves actually made some other numbers public that they actually semi open their books this was well they have to because the braves are publicly traded company the braves only made forty six million dollars as past years you know that in profit I believe in profit and profit so that comes after payroll like payroll ballpark everything
22:16 --> 22:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, see, this is why, if you're an owner, you should open your book, because if you did things like that, maybe more people would believe the things you say.
22:23 --> 22:28 [SPEAKER_00]: The braids look at how people are valuing the braids right now, and I'm looking at the braids.
22:28 --> 22:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, here's what you're worth.
22:31 --> 22:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Now I will say, could every single person be able to perfectly pinpoint
22:36 --> 22:39 [SPEAKER_00]: What all the numbers mean if all the numbers were made public?
22:39 --> 22:45 [SPEAKER_00]: No, but somebody did a pretty good job on the brave side of things, reporting what all the numbers mean and how much they actually totaled out.
22:46 --> 22:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Providence.
22:47 --> 22:50 [SPEAKER_00]: If more owners did that, maybe more people would believe them.
22:50 --> 22:57 [SPEAKER_00]: This is why if owners want to push very hard for a salary cap come next year and I'm almost positive they're going to.
22:58 --> 23:12 [SPEAKER_00]: that people might take them more seriously if you actually showed what you were making because my assumption with most owners is you do not want people to know what you're making because you're probably making more than you want to let on and you don't want to spend a lot of that money.
23:12 --> 23:14 [SPEAKER_00]: But if you're really not, then why don't you show people?
23:16 --> 23:17 [SPEAKER_01]: whether or not they do that.
23:17 --> 23:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll tell you what, there's a bunch of owners and baseball no matter how much money they're making.
23:21 --> 23:30 [SPEAKER_01]: They're not making that much money and for some of them that still do want to win, but don't have the revenue sources to do so aka television money.
23:30 --> 23:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Then they're going to lock out the players next year and they're going to lock out the players.
23:38 --> 23:39 [SPEAKER_01]: until they get a salary cap.
23:39 --> 23:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember who I saw talking about this, but it like, it makes sense.
23:42 --> 23:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm curious, how are the executives they go to a salary cap next year?
23:46 --> 23:48 [SPEAKER_01]: How do you, how do you whittle the Dodgers down?
23:49 --> 23:50 [SPEAKER_01]: These contracts aren't just gonna go away.
23:51 --> 23:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's what I was gonna say, and I feel like that's a point not enough people are talking about.
23:55 --> 23:57 [SPEAKER_00]: If you wanna a salary cap, okay.
23:57 --> 24:05 [SPEAKER_00]: but understand that it's gonna take about a decade for it to really kick in and to really start to feel the difference, you can't take players off the Dodgers.
24:06 --> 24:09 [SPEAKER_00]: They're about to run it up for the next decade with this team.
24:10 --> 24:12 [SPEAKER_00]: You wanna know why the Dodgers probably did this with Kyle Tucker.
24:13 --> 24:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Number one, the next couple free aging classes are not very strong, especially offensively.
24:17 --> 24:24 [SPEAKER_00]: And number two, I'm sure the Dodgers know that everything's got a real good chance to change for, for,
24:24 --> 24:26 [SPEAKER_00]: the long, long future after this year.
24:26 --> 24:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I think most teams know the sport has a real chance to be reset.
24:30 --> 24:34 [SPEAKER_00]: So if you're the Dodgers, they probably said, you know what, man, screw it.
24:34 --> 24:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's defer contracts one more time, let's sign one more ridiculous player, and let's set ourselves up for when these contracts change that we have a team that's absolutely loaded for the next at least half decade.
24:45 --> 24:47 [SPEAKER_00]: So they get Kyle Tucker.
24:47 --> 24:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I got to get a lesson because I got to feel like the owners would.
24:50 --> 25:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I know it's like their own group together, but there's got to be at least 15 owners that would be like, yeah, we'd be okay penalizing the Dodgers, like creating rules.
25:00 --> 25:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Because what they would do, I don't know if they'd go after like the NBA model or they'd go after the NFL model, but I think both of those like you start losing picks, you lose picks, you get fined if you're over the cap, like what the NBA did with theirs, their system that I don't know perfectly, but I know like when the Celtics won their title,
25:22 --> 25:23 [SPEAKER_01]: two years ago.
25:23 --> 25:29 [SPEAKER_01]: That was the last year they could have done it because they were over the second apron, which is their highest salary.
25:30 --> 25:32 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like they're the NBA's version of a luxury tax accepted.
25:32 --> 25:35 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot harder on the teams.
25:35 --> 25:37 [SPEAKER_01]: It's crippling for some of these teams.
25:37 --> 25:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, they, that was their only window because they were going to have to trade real contributors off their roster just to get below that number to survive another year with the roster and then Tatum gets hurt and etc.
25:50 --> 25:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Right?
25:52 --> 25:54 [SPEAKER_01]: That, that forced a decision.
25:54 --> 26:07 [SPEAKER_01]: So in the Dodgers example, yeah, the Dodgers win another world series this year, but the rule comes in and slams them that they're so high up there and the same would go for probably the Met's, the same would go for
26:07 --> 26:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, same go what we go for the blue jays who would go for the fillies.
26:11 --> 26:18 [SPEAKER_01]: All these teams that are way way up there, where it's like, you got to offload some of your good players for some of your expensive players.
26:18 --> 26:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise, this is not like this is not going to work out.
26:23 --> 26:29 [SPEAKER_00]: So this all leads to the question doesn't it because we haven't said the exact word and we haven't asked the question point blank.
26:30 --> 26:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Has this weekend shifted your opinion to wanting a salary cap?
26:38 --> 26:40 [SPEAKER_01]: There are some things, I guess it has.
26:41 --> 26:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I think, which is disappointing.
26:43 --> 26:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to be team no salary cap.
26:47 --> 27:04 [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't see how this current structure is fair number one, number two, I don't see how this is good for the health of the league to have this much disparity in spending.
27:05 --> 27:11 [SPEAKER_01]: and that the last thing you want is for entire fan bases to not have hope.
27:12 --> 27:18 [SPEAKER_01]: This isn't college football, while in college football, most unfair bullshit sport of all time.
27:18 --> 27:22 [SPEAKER_01]: That's never, it's never built that everyone has a chance.
27:22 --> 27:26 [SPEAKER_01]: That sport is built for 10 out of 128 teams to have a chance to win every year.
27:26 --> 27:28 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's it, and it's the same 10.
27:29 --> 27:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Prosports are supposed to be different.
27:31 --> 27:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Prosports are supposed to be the ultimate parody.
27:35 --> 28:00 [SPEAKER_01]: ultimate parody leaks the NFL as they are with everything is the perfect example one of the best teams in football this year It's the Jacksonville Jaguars one of the smallest markets the Buffalo bills as well tiny tiny tiny markets But since it's such a national sport and they have this established revenue model and every team has to spend at least 90% of the cap But they can't go 100% over the cap
28:00 --> 28:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone's got to spend a certain amount of money.
28:02 --> 28:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Every team is a equal chance for these free agents So it feels like year over year, even teams like the Tennessee Titans can have a chance to be really good Do the mimey marlins have a chance to be really good with the amount of money they make?
28:19 --> 28:23 [SPEAKER_01]: What it costs to have a good team Probably not
28:25 --> 28:27 [SPEAKER_01]: and that and that's not good for the sport.
28:27 --> 28:28 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not healthy.
28:28 --> 28:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Because a healthy sport is what we you and I just watched this past weekend with the NFL.
28:33 --> 28:33 [SPEAKER_01]: All these teams of hope.
28:36 --> 28:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Here's where I'm struggling.
28:39 --> 28:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I am starting to shift my opinion a little bit.
28:42 --> 28:44 [SPEAKER_00]: And I truly hate saying that.
28:44 --> 28:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Beyond belief, I hate saying that, because I cannot stress this enough, I hate hate hate hate hate hate hate.
28:51 --> 28:53 [SPEAKER_00]: So many of the owners in major league baseball.
28:54 --> 29:00 [SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, this isn't even really a Mariners ownership thing, because we'll be the first people to tell you.
29:00 --> 29:05 [SPEAKER_00]: They could spend more, they should spend more, there's no reason, they can't be spending more.
29:06 --> 29:11 [SPEAKER_00]: because I fully believe that they could be spending and should be spending a lot more than they do.
29:12 --> 29:17 [SPEAKER_00]: But in all reality, the mariners are right in the middle of the pack in terms of legal payroll.
29:18 --> 29:22 [SPEAKER_00]: When I say I hate some of these owners, this is about the John Fisher's of the world of the A's.
29:22 --> 29:25 [SPEAKER_00]: This is about the Bob Nottings of the world, of the Pirates.
29:25 --> 29:28 [SPEAKER_00]: This is about the Dick Monford to the world, of the Rockies.
29:28 --> 29:28 [SPEAKER_00]: There's more.
29:29 --> 29:30 [SPEAKER_00]: You can keep going.
29:30 --> 29:46 [SPEAKER_00]: it's about them and I truly hate the idea of giving these guys an out for deciding they don't want to try year in and year out who said it had to be now well that's where I was going to get to all of that being said.
29:48 --> 30:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I am starting to side with you and side with what other people are saying in that I don't know how this can continue, how this model can continue to carry over in major league baseball and have parity across the sport.
30:03 --> 30:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Because you know what man?
30:05 --> 30:10 [SPEAKER_00]: There's still only been one repeat champion in this century and it's the Dodgers.
30:10 --> 30:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Now they're probably about to three
30:16 --> 30:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Repeat champions aside from the Dodgers in the last 25 years the NFL's had more repeat champions the NBA's had more repeat champions All that being said the way it's headed Doesn't feel like it's gonna be the case for long.
30:30 --> 30:35 [SPEAKER_00]: It feels like we're in a spot where the Dodgers could win Six of the next eight
30:36 --> 30:40 [SPEAKER_01]: What about just teams making it form these small markets making it far in the postseason?
30:40 --> 30:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Have you ever felt like in the last 10 years, what's the last small marketing that you legitimately thought had a chance?
30:48 --> 30:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Cleveland was a few outs away in 16, but that's 10 years ago.
30:54 --> 30:58 [SPEAKER_01]: So, and here's what it was better in 17, but again, that's like a decade ago now.
30:58 --> 31:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, so here comes the other side where we circle back to what I believe for a long time, which is
31:04 --> 31:19 [SPEAKER_00]: What I don't believe is there's a team in major league baseball that cannot get into the top 12 of payroll and compete with the Dodgers, even with the money that some of these teams may or may not make, you might not be able to spend like the Dodgers.
31:19 --> 31:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't believe it all that the pirates can spend like the Dodgers.
31:22 --> 31:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I absolutely believe that the pirates chose who they could be in the top 12 of the league in payroll and give the Dodgers a much better run for their money than they're even attempting to do right now.
31:32 --> 31:41 [SPEAKER_00]: And so that's what I hate is I think something needs to change but when you hear salary cap
31:41 --> 31:44 [SPEAKER_00]: It gives a lot of owners and out who don't deserve one.
31:44 --> 31:47 [SPEAKER_00]: It gives a lot of teams and organizations and out that don't deserve one.
31:47 --> 31:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Does it?
31:48 --> 31:50 [SPEAKER_01]: What if you do the NFL's version?
31:50 --> 31:51 [SPEAKER_01]: This would take a lot.
31:51 --> 31:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they might miss the season if this is what the players, if they're like, all right, if we're going to do a cap, this is how we're going to do it.
31:57 --> 32:03 [SPEAKER_01]: If I have the ratios right, I believe the NFL's salary cap floor is 90%.
32:04 --> 32:11 [SPEAKER_01]: We're not talking like a $120 million floor, $200 million ceiling, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah.
32:11 --> 32:18 [SPEAKER_01]: We're talking $200 million ceiling, or maybe more, $180 million floor.
32:18 --> 32:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that would be awesome.
32:20 --> 32:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And if they come to that, that would make the sport so, so much better than where it stands right now.
32:26 --> 32:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Because, you know what?
32:27 --> 32:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Not only would all teams have to spend their money much smarter and conversations about how you acquire and don't acquire players gets much more finesse and takes much more strategy.
32:41 --> 32:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, well, that would be really awesome.
32:43 --> 32:45 [SPEAKER_00]: How are you gonna get some of these owners to agree to that?
32:46 --> 32:47 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a good question.
32:47 --> 32:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And how are you gonna get players to agree on a salary count?
32:51 --> 33:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, because we'll have Trevor May on here eventually, and he's gonna say, I'm gonna say Trevor, even after they play or see all of this, what they say salary count, he'd be like, nope.
33:02 --> 33:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we're probably going to have Trevor on a lot during the lockout.
33:06 --> 33:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, what it's time to have him on is this is not going to be much else going on.
33:10 --> 33:10 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
33:11 --> 33:12 [SPEAKER_00]: And we've already kind of talked to Trevor about that.
33:12 --> 33:16 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, hey, can you come on and be our person for this for this lockout?
33:17 --> 33:24 [SPEAKER_00]: And what Trevor would tell you, too, and he did a really good video about this on his social media, which if you want to go to his social media, you should go look up this video.
33:24 --> 33:25 [SPEAKER_00]: And it said,
33:25 --> 33:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Why MLB owners want a salary cap, or maybe it's titled the real reason owners want a salary cap.
33:31 --> 33:50 [SPEAKER_00]: And what Trevor talks about is, do they really care about the integrity of the game, or do these owners just want to use their franchises business assets to help raise the valuations of their franchise, so they can do what Jerry Jones does and other owners in the NFL does, and you know, be able to borrow money from other assets to,
33:51 --> 33:52 [SPEAKER_00]: make more money?
33:52 --> 33:57 [SPEAKER_00]: That, like, Trevor could explain it much more better on his page and you should go watch the video.
33:57 --> 34:01 [SPEAKER_00]: But there is a part to this too, which again goes back to my whole thing of giving owners an out.
34:02 --> 34:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Because do they care about the game being in a better spot or do they care about themselves like most billionaires do and just making more money?
34:11 --> 34:12 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what they care about anyways.
34:13 --> 34:37 [SPEAKER_01]: What would you prefer would you prefer they make money this way by not spending money on their teams and pocketing rev share profits or do you rather than make money off their franchise valuations being higher and but they pay players more to tell your parents I mean I would rather see them pay players more that's for sure I'll tell you what
34:38 --> 34:51 [SPEAKER_00]: if you need a selling point as a Mariners fan on how to feel about this whole situation if major league baseball really came to an agreement or they were going to have an NFL style salary cap where you did have to spend ninety percent of the cap
34:53 --> 34:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think we'd have to say the name's John Stanton and Chris Larsson ever again.
34:56 --> 34:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm serious.
34:57 --> 35:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think we'd ever have to talk about it on the podcast ever again.
35:00 --> 35:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Because then spending money becomes so much more about the strategy and how you use it and how you allocate it than how much you can spend.
35:09 --> 35:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Because if you're spending a minimum of $180 million at 90% exactly of the cap, which if you're the Mariners and not the Pirates, you'd probably be,
35:18 --> 35:23 [SPEAKER_00]: more in the middle, let's say to be at the 95% range, you wouldn't have to talk about this.
35:23 --> 35:27 [SPEAKER_00]: It would just be about which players make the most sense to allocate your money to.
35:28 --> 35:37 [SPEAKER_00]: In that way, it would be such a sigh of relief on people's shoulders, because I mean, what do we get more questions about than almost anything?
35:37 --> 35:41 [SPEAKER_00]: What have we talked about again and again and again and again and again and the three years are doing this podcast?
35:41 --> 35:43 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners and their lack is spending.
35:43 --> 35:45 [SPEAKER_00]: We wouldn't have to do that anymore.
35:46 --> 35:47 [SPEAKER_00]: That's down nice.
35:47 --> 35:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it does.
35:48 --> 35:52 [SPEAKER_01]: It would bring our focus on to many different things.
35:52 --> 35:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Do I think it would be great?
35:53 --> 36:01 [SPEAKER_01]: There's another thing I forgot to mention when it comes to, I guess this would be how the owners view this and why they would think this is unfair.
36:03 --> 36:14 [SPEAKER_01]: The old revenue model of baseball was every team made their money on their own RSNs and they would, I mean, they would rev-share it, but you get to keep some of it and if you did better, you got to keep more money.
36:14 --> 36:17 [SPEAKER_01]: That doesn't exist for like two thirds of the league anymore.
36:17 --> 36:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's gone, like totally gone.
36:19 --> 36:22 [SPEAKER_01]: But the Dodgers deal runs through 2038.
36:22 --> 36:22 [SPEAKER_01]: 2038.
36:23 --> 36:28 [SPEAKER_01]: The Dodgers get to make $330 million year through 2038.
36:29 --> 36:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And the Mariners are giving their rights back to Major League Baseball to make any sense on the dollar.
36:35 --> 36:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's put this in English terms for people.
36:38 --> 36:43 [SPEAKER_00]: If something does not change,
36:45 --> 36:47 [SPEAKER_00]: we can't you just can't let that happen.
36:48 --> 36:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Because there's only let's call it four teams in the league that can really afford to pay these guys what they're gonna be asking for.
36:54 --> 37:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And if they want the ridiculously high AVs, take it down to two, the Mets and the Dodgers.
37:02 --> 37:06 [SPEAKER_00]: So if something doesn't change, Terriq Scoob will might be wearing blue and white next year.
37:07 --> 37:11 [SPEAKER_01]: There's going to be a lot of players that push back on this, but I can tell you who those players are.
37:11 --> 37:16 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the Alex Bragman's, it's the Kyle Tucker's, it's, well, actually, maybe not them.
37:16 --> 37:16 [SPEAKER_01]: They've already been paid.
37:17 --> 37:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Too bad.
37:18 --> 37:20 [SPEAKER_01]: It will be the, who in the future?
37:20 --> 37:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Ellie Dale Cruz, by the way, turned down a $220 million extension this week, shocking, or it was, came out that he turned that down.
37:28 --> 37:32 [SPEAKER_01]: But players like that who are set up to make massive paydies in the future,
37:32 --> 37:38 [SPEAKER_01]: who are no longer be able to make a Kyle Tucker amount of money in free agency.
37:39 --> 37:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll give you more names, not just Ellie, who by the way is rep-by-scopped or a shocker.
37:43 --> 37:44 [SPEAKER_00]: It is Paul schemes.
37:45 --> 37:46 [SPEAKER_00]: It's Junior Caminaro.
37:47 --> 37:48 [SPEAKER_00]: It's, it could be Brian Wu.
37:48 --> 37:50 [SPEAKER_00]: It's Junior Caminaro.
37:50 --> 37:54 [SPEAKER_00]: It's, once his first extension runs out, could be Roman Anthony.
37:54 --> 37:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Guys like that.
37:55 --> 37:56 [SPEAKER_00]: That's who it pushed back.
37:58 --> 38:07 [SPEAKER_01]: This would help the Mariners be able to sign some of these players, also might mean they couldn't sign all of them, because they wouldn't have enough room in the cap to do so.
38:08 --> 38:15 [SPEAKER_01]: This opened my eyes a little bit this week on, I think I'm coming around to it.
38:16 --> 38:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I really, really hate to say it.
38:18 --> 38:24 [SPEAKER_00]: It feels like a legitimate gut punch for me to even say these words, because I hate that I'm coming around to it.
38:25 --> 38:26 [SPEAKER_00]: But I feel like I,
38:27 --> 38:33 [SPEAKER_01]: kind of M2, but it will stabilize for everybody, like the major league baseball is trying to do a lot of things right now.
38:33 --> 38:38 [SPEAKER_01]: They're trying to stabilize national revenue, they're trying to stabilize local revenue, which is
38:38 --> 39:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I believe what they're going to try and do in the future is they are going to pool all the teams without TV deals together and sell them collectively to bigger companies selling a national package for them to buy on an essentially each local market kind of what the NFL does with all their games on Fox, et cetera, except every team still going to have their own channel.
39:00 --> 39:01 [SPEAKER_01]: They play on it.
39:01 --> 39:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Just going to be these nationally pool ads.
39:03 --> 39:15 [SPEAKER_01]: that can be a little bit more consistent your rear, so the Mariners know how much they get to spend every year, and the angels know how much they get to spend every year and the Padres know how much they get to spend every year and on and on and on and on and on.
39:15 --> 39:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And teams like the Dodgers don't get to make 10 times the amount of money of everyone else.
39:21 --> 39:23 [SPEAKER_01]: they get to make the same amount as everyone else.
39:23 --> 39:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Even in the NFL, there are shitty owners, like the Browns owner, there are none of the Browns.
39:27 --> 39:40 [SPEAKER_01]: The Bangalore's owner, Paul Brown, the war's owner in the NFL, notoriously cheap, but he still has to spend money because he knows how much guaranteed money he's getting every year, and he'll still pay guys like Joe Burrell.
39:40 --> 39:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, you think Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase would get fat contracts if there was no salary cap in the NFL?
39:46 --> 39:46 [SPEAKER_00]: No shot.
39:46 --> 39:47 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what?
39:47 --> 39:48 [SPEAKER_01]: They play on the reds?
39:48 --> 39:49 [SPEAKER_01]: No, they're not good paid.
39:50 --> 39:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
39:50 --> 39:51 [SPEAKER_00]: No, no salary floor, I should say.
39:51 --> 39:52 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah.
39:53 --> 40:21 [SPEAKER_01]: the salary for being that high is a big key to me agreeing to say yes to this but i also think that's what the players union would say as well that the only way we're agreeing to a salary cap is if the floor is incredibly high and you know the owners would be like well i don't want to spend a minimum hundred eighty million dollars and then people come to the table and say well we have a problem right now and that is where you and i and most fans across baseball would probably come back and say
40:21 --> 40:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Here we go again, now it's the owner's being cheap, which is what we thought all along.
40:26 --> 40:38 [SPEAKER_00]: If there was actually, like, good faith negotiations, where you could work on something like that, where it's beneficial for both sides, yeah, maybe people could really see each side of the argument.
40:39 --> 40:44 [SPEAKER_00]: But if the owners come to the table and say $180 million salary floor, how about $90?
40:45 --> 40:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Well then, that's where I'm going to flip a bunch of the owners of the double bird and say, like, don't be in the game if that's what you want, but the players would never agree to that.
40:54 --> 40:54 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
40:55 --> 41:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I am a little worried the players would cave because the players have significantly less money than the owners do.
41:01 --> 41:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's more of them.
41:02 --> 41:05 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I ultimately feel like might happen in this lockout.
41:05 --> 41:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I know there's always, I know there's been the talk of, oh, they can miss a whole season.
41:10 --> 41:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying anything's impossible, but it does feel like
41:14 --> 41:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Eventually it may be similar to the last time where players say, okay, we cannot miss all these game checks and we're gonna have to agree to what they want But that's gonna lead to things that are objectively not good and might not solve the problem.
41:31 --> 41:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I know
41:33 --> 41:38 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not the solve problem if we get a $200 million salary cap in a $90 million salary floor.
41:39 --> 41:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't change anything.
41:40 --> 41:45 [SPEAKER_01]: The only thing that does is rains in the Dodgers, the mets, the fillies, the blue jays.
41:46 --> 41:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And then everyone else business is usual, like that doesn't get the Mariners any more incentive to spend.
41:54 --> 41:54 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
41:54 --> 41:54 [SPEAKER_01]: None.
41:54 --> 41:56 [SPEAKER_01]: They do exactly what they're doing right now.
41:57 --> 41:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
41:57 --> 42:02 [SPEAKER_01]: But if you raise that floor, it could change a lot.
42:03 --> 42:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm curious what some of our listeners think about this.
42:05 --> 42:07 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're watching on YouTube, leave us a comment.
42:07 --> 42:10 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're listening, especially on Spotify, you can leave us comments.
42:10 --> 42:12 [SPEAKER_01]: So let us know after this.
42:13 --> 42:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you pro?
42:14 --> 42:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Cap now, are you still anti-cap, please?
42:16 --> 42:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Give us reasons.
42:17 --> 42:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I would love to just try and understand what people are thinking more instead of just blankly saying, oh my god, this is unfair.
42:24 --> 42:26 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, okay, why?
42:26 --> 42:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think ultimately why for a lot of people is they don't feel like you have a chance.
42:30 --> 42:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the Mariners from a talent perspective can make the world serious this year.
42:36 --> 42:39 [SPEAKER_01]: That doesn't mean that you're in your out, they will be able to consistently do that.
42:40 --> 42:43 [SPEAKER_01]: But the Dodgers will because they have the money to make that happen.
42:44 --> 42:46 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners have guys under cheap contracts.
42:46 --> 42:47 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why they can make it happen.
42:47 --> 42:53 [SPEAKER_01]: If they're paying market value for all these players, like the Dodgers are currently doing with their entire roster,
42:53 --> 42:54 [SPEAKER_01]: It would never happen.
42:55 --> 42:57 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners would be a 500 baseball team.
42:58 --> 42:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
43:00 --> 43:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Well I'll tell you what, I think TJ and I are going to be buying a PlayStation next December because if we're preparing for a long-ass lockout, I think we're going to be doing a lot of streaming of MLB the show on YouTube and wherever else for people to follow along and watch with us.
43:16 --> 43:25 [SPEAKER_00]: And then some of our podcasts episodes, and there's no baseball to talk about, is probably going to be 20 minutes of us talking about our season in MLB the show.
43:26 --> 43:44 [SPEAKER_00]: like we've already we've already talked about we don't want to stop podcasting during the lockout but we're obviously going to have to figure out how do we do three a week and still be entertaining i think once a week it's going to have to be some fun stuff like us talking about streaming the show and we'll mix in some other things whether we'll do trivia or we'll do
43:44 --> 44:03 [SPEAKER_00]: watching and following along an old game and reacting to that and then there'll still be an episode a week where I'm sure we talk about everything that's updating across the lockout and across news wise events and newsworthy events and baseball, but yeah, I don't think we're going to want to stop doing three podcasts a week because we want to give people content, but we will be getting created.
44:03 --> 44:06 [SPEAKER_00]: That's for sure and some of it might be things like streaming MLB the show.
44:06 --> 44:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll tell you what, I'm really going to try and enjoy this upcoming baseball season.
44:14 --> 44:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Once it's over, you don't know when it's coming back.
44:18 --> 44:20 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, you don't know.
44:20 --> 44:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you still want to talk about some of these relievers?
44:22 --> 44:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Is there anyone you're dying to talk about here?
44:25 --> 44:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Why don't we do quick hitters on each of them?
44:27 --> 44:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Because in general, I don't think these guys need 10 minutes of the breakdown.
44:30 --> 44:32 [SPEAKER_00]: So why don't we just go through a couple?
44:33 --> 44:35 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll save the most intriguing guy for last.
44:35 --> 44:36 [SPEAKER_00]: There's three.
44:37 --> 44:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll start off with David Robertson.
44:39 --> 44:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Because there's three relievers that we are looking at of guys that Mariners, the guys that the Mariners could still sign in free agency that are bullpen arms, that can potentially help the Mariners
44:50 --> 44:52 [SPEAKER_00]: bullpen in 2026.
44:52 --> 45:01 [SPEAKER_00]: None of these are ridiculously high leverage dynamite in ticing options, but they are options that are still out there.
45:02 --> 45:04 [SPEAKER_00]: And as a Mariners group that still need to upgrade their bullpen, we think.
45:05 --> 45:07 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just a couple names to think about.
45:07 --> 45:09 [SPEAKER_00]: So we'll quickly go through a couple.
45:09 --> 45:12 [SPEAKER_00]: David Robertson, I mean, Father time.
45:12 --> 45:14 [SPEAKER_00]: He is going to be 41 years old.
45:15 --> 45:23 [SPEAKER_00]: two seasons ago, he was still a workhorse where he threw just about 70 times in terms of making 70 appearances in 2024.
45:24 --> 45:27 [SPEAKER_00]: But he's also not the guy he once was.
45:27 --> 45:30 [SPEAKER_00]: His underlying numbers were not great last year.
45:30 --> 45:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you're signing him, you're probably signing him to be the seventh or eighth guy.
45:35 --> 45:37 [SPEAKER_01]: He signed midway through the year last year, right?
45:37 --> 45:38 [SPEAKER_00]: If I remember that, right?
45:38 --> 45:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Or is he hurt?
45:40 --> 45:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I think he just signed midway through the year because he was waiting around, maybe he didn't want to pitch a full season.
45:44 --> 45:49 [SPEAKER_01]: That tells you what you need to know, if someone's not willing to pitch a full season, you won't sign him to a big league contract.
45:49 --> 45:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't.
45:50 --> 45:53 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I wrote down, I wrote down, minor league deal, question mark.
45:54 --> 45:57 [SPEAKER_01]: You want to sign a 41 year old and guarantee him a spot in your bullpen?
45:58 --> 45:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't make a whole lot of sense, right?
46:00 --> 46:01 [SPEAKER_01]: No, it doesn't.
46:01 --> 46:04 [SPEAKER_01]: The only, he barely threw last year, 17 and two thirds.
46:05 --> 46:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I would not.
46:07 --> 46:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I would not side him.
46:09 --> 46:16 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're going to give, if you want to take a chance on someone as your seventh or eighth best reliever, wouldn't you rather just have like Jackson, Coar?
46:17 --> 46:19 [SPEAKER_01]: At least Jackson, Coar throws hard.
46:20 --> 46:22 [SPEAKER_01]: There's some semblance of upside and stuff.
46:23 --> 46:26 [SPEAKER_01]: What upside would you get from David Robertson?
46:26 --> 46:32 [SPEAKER_01]: If last year he was still insanely good, and I'd like a sub 2, and then Lee Gabbard strike out rate.
46:32 --> 46:36 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, like maybe he can replicate it one more time since he's a reliever.
46:36 --> 46:42 [SPEAKER_01]: You can load management a little bit, but I mean, the dude had a fit of almost five last year and was negative.
46:42 --> 46:43 [SPEAKER_01]: A negative war pitcher.
46:44 --> 46:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry, like you'd be cheap, but I would guess he gets a minor league deal.
46:51 --> 46:54 [SPEAKER_00]: He was giving up almost one and a half base runners per inning last year.
46:54 --> 46:56 [SPEAKER_00]: His whip was one five.
46:56 --> 47:00 [SPEAKER_01]: So this one is probably a no high ground ball rate.
47:00 --> 47:02 [SPEAKER_01]: 40% hard hit rate.
47:02 --> 47:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Barrel rates were in good walk rate wasn't good.
47:05 --> 47:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Whiff rate wasn't good.
47:07 --> 47:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Jace rate wasn't good.
47:08 --> 47:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Fastball Velo was among relievers.
47:11 --> 47:14 [SPEAKER_01]: That's surprising since he's old almost 91 miles an hour.
47:14 --> 47:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Pass.
47:16 --> 47:18 [SPEAKER_01]: We got two better options here.
47:18 --> 47:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so that was the lowest tier of the three guys we're going to talk about.
47:22 --> 47:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's bump it up to the guy in the middle and that's Danny Colombe, who's still on side.
47:27 --> 47:29 [SPEAKER_00]: This guy's at three really good years in a row.
47:30 --> 47:31 [SPEAKER_00]: The underlying numbers back it up.
47:31 --> 47:34 [SPEAKER_00]: He's at a couple of seasons where he's been a sub three ERA guy.
47:34 --> 47:39 [SPEAKER_00]: He is not your typical Mariners bullpen arm because he's a left hander that does not throw hard.
47:39 --> 47:43 [SPEAKER_00]: He does not have ridiculous overpowering stuff.
47:43 --> 47:50 [SPEAKER_00]: but he thrives on weak contact, not being hit hard, and plain and simply just getting out.
47:50 --> 47:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Still get strikeouts though?
47:52 --> 47:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the season, well, he was like a 24-year-old struck out 30% of the batters he faced.
47:58 --> 47:59 [SPEAKER_01]: It was not a big sample.
47:59 --> 48:00 [SPEAKER_01]: It was like 30 innings.
48:01 --> 48:02 [SPEAKER_01]: But we're lucky.
48:03 --> 48:11 [SPEAKER_00]: But in this past year where he threw a much larger sample size of innings out of the pen he wasn't striking guys out like that.
48:11 --> 48:15 [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't nothing But he is not a high octane swing in misguide.
48:15 --> 48:17 [SPEAKER_00]: That's just not as profile.
48:17 --> 48:18 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not gets buyer.
48:18 --> 48:22 [SPEAKER_00]: No So he thrives more on wheat contacts.
48:22 --> 48:31 [SPEAKER_00]: He actually gets guys the chaselot is chaselot is chaselot But he also doesn't have a high ground ball rate So what that says to me is he's a guy that relies on a lot of
48:32 --> 48:34 [SPEAKER_00]: softly hit baseball's in the air, a lot of fly balls.
48:36 --> 48:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Can the Mariners have another lefty in their bullpen who's not a world-beater?
48:41 --> 48:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Because usually, for relievers especially, you're typically going to get a little more upside out of your right handers.
48:50 --> 48:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Every lefty that goes to the bullpen for the most part.
48:55 --> 49:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't, for the Gabe Spire's an outlier here, usually is in the bullpen, because they don't throw hard enough or be, they don't have good enough stuff.
49:05 --> 49:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Right handers, it's like, all right, you have a bit of a command issue or control issue, don't have the stamina, but we bring you and put you in the bullpen, stuff can play up.
49:13 --> 49:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Since there are fewer lefties in the world, usually the guys that can grip it and rip it or starting,
49:22 --> 49:25 [SPEAKER_01]: and the rest of them just kind of have like a lower ceiling in the bullpen.
49:25 --> 49:33 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you like, are you willing to put another look not like high upside reliever that's a lefty in your bullpen?
49:34 --> 49:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, as a back end guy, I'd be open-minded to anybody that's effective and Colombe objectively.
49:40 --> 49:41 [SPEAKER_00]: It's had three really good years in a row.
49:42 --> 49:50 [SPEAKER_00]: All that said, to deploy three lefties in that bullpen with Gabe Spire, Jose Ferreira, and potentially Colombe.
49:51 --> 49:53 [SPEAKER_00]: That honestly feels like it could be overkill.
49:54 --> 49:56 [SPEAKER_00]: And Colom might get a few million dollars.
49:56 --> 49:59 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not going to get the world, but
49:59 --> 50:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Based off the couple years that he's had, is it crazy to say he could get what Ryan Stanich got when the Mariners signed him, could he get $5 million?
50:07 --> 50:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Seems possible.
50:08 --> 50:12 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know if the Mariners really want to spend $5 million on a back-end bullpin arm.
50:13 --> 50:23 [SPEAKER_01]: On a third lefty, who would probably be pitching in a six-thinning, what you would want to design him for, I think, is if you didn't have Jose Ferrer, you'd have him in that role.
50:23 --> 50:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Jose Ferrer seems like he'd be the second lefty.
50:26 --> 50:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Gabe would be the first lefty.
50:27 --> 50:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Colombe is going to get the money to be a second lefty but the Mariners would only have space for him to be the third lefty and Yeah, I'm not sure yeah
50:41 --> 50:43 [SPEAKER_00]: So we're on the same route with both of these.
50:43 --> 50:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Robert's in was a hard no.
50:45 --> 50:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Colom were basically on the fence saying, interesting profile, objectively has been good, but don't really understand the fit.
50:53 --> 50:55 [SPEAKER_00]: So now let's get to the last guy of the three.
50:55 --> 50:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I was gonna say, I'd take a shot at a higher upside ridey-like.
51:00 --> 51:01 [SPEAKER_01]: So Anthony Dominguez?
51:01 --> 51:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
51:02 --> 51:19 [SPEAKER_01]: upside definitely there low low lights also absolutely there very famous low light of this past season of ao annual swars grand slam anyone remember that one uh i would i would say remember pre-well yeah that was off through Anthony Dominguez
51:19 --> 51:25 [SPEAKER_01]: He's got the highest projected annual value of about $11 million dollars.
51:25 --> 51:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't know if they'll actually get that much, but that's what SpotTrack says.
51:28 --> 51:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Based on the season he just had a 316 CRA 62 innings, a 30% strikeout rate.
51:36 --> 51:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Things like that usually get you paid especially in a walkier.
51:39 --> 51:41 [SPEAKER_01]: There are some drawbacks.
51:41 --> 51:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Number one, doesn't throw a ton of strikes.
51:43 --> 51:45 [SPEAKER_01]: He's got a really high walk rate.
51:45 --> 51:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Can be a little volatile in a bad-tad, bad basis.
51:50 --> 51:52 [SPEAKER_01]: But also in a season-to-season basis.
51:53 --> 52:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Because while he was really good last year, previous two seasons before that, he combined to be exactly a replacement level player.
52:01 --> 52:03 [SPEAKER_00]: a little volatile on the walk rate.
52:03 --> 52:05 [SPEAKER_00]: A little volatile.
52:05 --> 52:08 [SPEAKER_00]: He was in the first percentile of the league last year at walk rate.
52:08 --> 52:09 [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't throw strikes.
52:11 --> 52:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Except for that one day, you'll win you.
52:14 --> 52:16 [SPEAKER_00]: He is your typical reliever.
52:16 --> 52:34 [SPEAKER_00]: When you think about, well, Nuclealooch wasn't a reliever, he was a starter, but when you think about a Nuclealooch type of pitcher from Volderum, that almost feels like to some extent what Ser Anthony Dominguez is where he throws incredibly hard with ridiculous stuff, but doesn't find the plate half the time.
52:34 --> 52:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, as walk rates never quite been that,
52:37 --> 52:39 [SPEAKER_00]: loud, the way it was in 2025.
52:39 --> 52:41 [SPEAKER_00]: That was an extreme.
52:42 --> 52:58 [SPEAKER_00]: What he did last year, he's not usually that type of walk rate pitcher where it's off the charts bad, but he also has never really been a high command guy in his career, which is why he's probably still out on the open market, because he throws hard, he gets swinging miss, he has good stuff.
52:59 --> 53:03 [SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, if you want an
53:03 --> 53:22 [SPEAKER_00]: he legitimately dominates right handed matters right his OPS 450 against the last year so if you want him in the game against right is he's probably going to get him out but man those walks scare me if he's got a walk guys to be as effective as he was this past year would you be interested
53:23 --> 53:25 [SPEAKER_00]: with the Mariners be interested?
53:25 --> 53:29 [SPEAKER_00]: They don't usually put guys in the bullpen that walk eyes of that crazy rate.
53:29 --> 53:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Not really.
53:29 --> 53:31 [SPEAKER_01]: This is like a Ryan's Stannick level.
53:32 --> 53:35 [SPEAKER_01]: This is a kind of a Ryan's Stannick-esque idea.
53:36 --> 53:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And that idea was one of the Mariners did not like, very much.
53:40 --> 53:42 [SPEAKER_00]: For $11 million a year, forget it.
53:43 --> 53:44 [SPEAKER_00]: You cut that in half?
53:44 --> 53:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe.
53:47 --> 53:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I love, I'd be in on him as a seventh inning guy, seventh or sixth, just another leverage arm.
53:53 --> 54:00 [SPEAKER_01]: He's got more upside in him than Bizarro does from a strikeout point of view.
54:01 --> 54:07 [SPEAKER_01]: He's got, I think, got a little bit more ability to take over a game, but he would make a little, me a little nervous.
54:07 --> 54:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And again, just this season before, the one season before this past year is really good, he's worth negative war.
54:15 --> 54:15 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
54:16 --> 54:18 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a risk right there.
54:19 --> 54:28 [SPEAKER_00]: He would be your fourth or fifth option, depending on where your value is, and he would find a price, price pretty high for that.
54:29 --> 54:31 [SPEAKER_00]: For $11 million dollars a year, you can't do it.
54:31 --> 54:34 [SPEAKER_00]: If it's for five, again, you could think about it.
54:35 --> 54:44 [SPEAKER_01]: There's definitely some upside here that he is one of the guys available on the market that when we were entering this off season.
54:45 --> 54:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Low and I thought that this is a kind of arm the Mariners could target for this bullpen to just add depth.
54:50 --> 55:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Just to add more great arms into that bullpen with high upside stuff that you could call on to get big outs and big moments and not consistently having to rely upon
55:04 --> 55:06 [SPEAKER_01]: give yourself some more options.
55:06 --> 55:24 [SPEAKER_01]: At this point, if you were to add him, you would have those four, you'd have Jose Ferrer who's got a ton of upside, and then you'd have Seranthini Dominguez, one from each side to your bullpen, and then you would feel you'd have six, six deep out of the eight guys that you're confident in some sort of leverage situation.
55:24 --> 55:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that sounds pretty solid like solid thinking to me.
55:29 --> 55:29 [SPEAKER_00]: It does.
55:30 --> 55:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Though if you're the Mariners and you think Dominguez is going to be somewhere from a point seven to one war player, they may just hope one of the pile arms that they've acquired ends up being that for League minimum rather than 5 million bucks for Seranthony Dominguez.
55:45 --> 55:51 [SPEAKER_00]: For example, if somebody like Alex Hoppy is he going to be that guy for $700.
55:51 --> 55:53 [SPEAKER_00]: instead of ser Anthony Dominguez.
55:53 --> 55:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, they'd be similar war players.
55:55 --> 55:57 [SPEAKER_01]: And maybe the Mariners soon even project him out that high.
55:57 --> 56:01 [SPEAKER_01]: They'd project Dominguez lower than that like he's been a lot of his career.
56:01 --> 56:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
56:02 --> 56:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Notice he goes like this with his production year to year.
56:05 --> 56:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I was doing a a a worm with my arm for those of you listening on audio.
56:09 --> 56:11 [SPEAKER_01]: It's up and down and up and down and up and down.
56:13 --> 56:21 [SPEAKER_01]: They'd want someone they can project out a little bit more and especially for if they're
56:21 --> 56:22 [SPEAKER_01]: They had not done that.
56:23 --> 56:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Their bullpen was still a little thin.
56:24 --> 56:41 [SPEAKER_01]: And while and I had said, that he was still giving that he was still sitting on all the markets, like, what do you have to lose by signing him, especially if he's cheap, Mariner signed him, then we realized what you did have to lose, giving that the dude could not consistently throw strikes and would lose you games.
56:42 --> 56:43 [SPEAKER_01]: And the Marvers didn't want that.
56:43 --> 56:44 [SPEAKER_01]: And they had to spend money on it.
56:45 --> 56:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
56:47 --> 56:48 [SPEAKER_00]: So just some names that can set her.
56:49 --> 56:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Bullpen, we think still needs another big time arm.
56:52 --> 56:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it won't come until the deadline.
56:53 --> 56:59 [SPEAKER_00]: But for relievers that are still out there on the open market, there's not a ton, but there's a couple that are probably worth highlighting.
57:00 --> 57:00 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
57:00 --> 57:02 [SPEAKER_01]: This is a good discussion on the seller count.
57:02 --> 57:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I will say.
57:03 --> 57:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Are we were planning for a bit of a shorter episode, but this actually kind of works out.
57:07 --> 57:07 [SPEAKER_01]: So.
57:08 --> 57:16 [SPEAKER_00]: It does, and it's such a big topic that so many people are talking about it, including Mariners fans, that it's the right time to be addressing this stuff.
57:16 --> 57:19 [SPEAKER_00]: So hopefully this sparks some discussion among all of you guys.
57:20 --> 57:28 [SPEAKER_00]: We certainly hope it sparks some comments, and you guys send us a message about it, whether it's again on YouTube, DM's, email, Patreon, etc.
57:28 --> 57:30 [SPEAKER_00]: because it's the topic across the league right now.
57:31 --> 57:31 [SPEAKER_00]: How could it not be?
57:32 --> 57:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And it affects the Mariners because it affects every team.
57:34 --> 57:35 [SPEAKER_00]: So let us know your thoughts on it.
57:36 --> 57:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Where are you standing with it?
57:37 --> 57:40 [SPEAKER_00]: We already know a lot of people are feeling like they want to see a salary cap.
57:40 --> 57:41 [SPEAKER_00]: But let us know how you feel.
57:42 --> 57:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we'll see.
57:43 --> 57:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Let us know in the comments.
57:44 --> 57:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
57:44 --> 57:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and by the way, we did not mention it throughout the episodes.
57:47 --> 57:48 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll do it right here at the end.
57:48 --> 57:49 [SPEAKER_00]: We're trying to mention it every show.
57:50 --> 57:54 [SPEAKER_00]: February 11th, trivia night, mariner's trivia night at Queen Anne Beer Hall.
57:55 --> 58:02 [SPEAKER_00]: We will get you the time here in the next, let's call it week to week and a half, because we like, as we inch closer, we're going to have a set time.
58:02 --> 58:03 [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be in the evening.
58:03 --> 58:06 [SPEAKER_00]: We just want to get people a set time, but February 11th,
58:06 --> 58:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Queen Embeor Hall, it's gonna be a blast.
58:08 --> 58:09 [SPEAKER_00]: There's gonna be prizes to give away.
58:09 --> 58:11 [SPEAKER_00]: There's gonna be a grand prize for the person that wins.
58:11 --> 58:13 [SPEAKER_00]: There's gonna be food and drinks.
58:13 --> 58:16 [SPEAKER_00]: There's gonna be all these mariners fans there that are ready to ring in the mariners season.
58:16 --> 58:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Get everybody ready for spring training.
58:19 --> 58:20 [SPEAKER_00]: It's gonna be a blast.
58:20 --> 58:22 [SPEAKER_00]: So go put it on your calendars if you haven't yet.
58:23 --> 58:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, with that, that'll just about wrap up this edition of the Marine Lair podcast.
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59:10 --> 59:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm Lyle as always.
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