Episode 38: Joe Doyle (Future Stars), Seattle Chants For Shohei, And Julio Breaks Derby Records

00:00:00 Speaker 1: Welcome to episode number thirty eight of the Marine Layer Podcast with TJ. Matthewson and Lyle Goldstein. On today's pod, we welcome on recurring guest Joe Doyle, a senior analyst at Future Stars, joined us to talk to Mariners drafts, which happened this past weekend. We also have our Mariners storylines which we talk about, the home run derby and the All Star game which we got to experience. Super fun being down there at the ballpark. It'll be fun to break down. 00:00:27 Speaker 2: And just a reminder, if you guys are listening on Apple and Spotify, make sure to go over to our YouTube channel, Go hit subscribe, go give us a review, go comment like everything, and if you're watching on YouTube, make sure to go over to our audio platforms too, Apple, Spotify, Google, Amazon. Give us five stars. The five star rating really helps, and make sure to download the episodes as well. 00:00:49 Speaker 3: And as always, if you. 00:00:51 Speaker 2: Want to catch our social media content, which we do a lot of, you can do so on TikTok, Instagram, Twitter, and YouTube shorts at Marine Layer Pod. 00:01:00 Speaker 1: Let's get it rolling and we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Layer Podcast, recording here on Thursday, July thirteenth. Of course, this podcast part of the Just Baseball podcast network and Lyle I imagine this would be the case. But after four days of being out at All Star Game festivities, I am wiped. 00:01:34 Speaker 2: I said I was wiped on Sunday. You better believe after two additional days, I'm wipe now. 00:01:39 Speaker 3: It's funny. 00:01:40 Speaker 2: I took Wednesday as a kind of a rest and recovery day. I slept in a little bit, I just took it easy in the morning. I mean, I met up with you and our friend Jeremy in the afternoon, and we still hung out during your last day here before you headed back to Oregon. But it doesn't change the fact that now Thursday, I'm still dragging, still tired, despite being two days removed from All Star week. Man, it takes a toll on you. Between the sun, all the walking being outside, all the different activities we were running around doing. As fun as it was, I wouldn't trade it for anything, but it is tiring. 00:02:15 Speaker 1: I think instead of staying up late and last night, I think we needed an early bedtime. I'm suspecting we did not get the proper rest and recovery on our quote unquote rest and recovery day on Wednesday. It was improper. We still had fun. But I'm sitting here on a Thursday, getting down to work at about two o'clock. I'll tell you it doesn't help with getting through this drag. Is driving from Seattle to Corvallis sitting in traffic that adds nearly two hours to your drive, which I spent nearly six hours in the car today getting back down here, which usually should take about four especially going to work in Albany. It was a lot. It was a lot, and I'm sitting here. We're powering through it. We're gonna put out this episode. Of course, you're gonna hear a great conversation with Joe Doyle while where we sound slightly more energetic because that conversation was actually just afternoon on Wednesday. But overall, mano, man it is. It's gonna be nice to sleep in my own bed tonight. I will say that, and. 00:03:14 Speaker 2: I'll be right back out at the ballpark this weekend, so it kind of never stops on my end. And listen, don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining about it by any stretch. In fact, when people ask me, are you going to the game as a fan, or are you going to work? And they'll put quote unquote to work. I always tell them, well, I'm not really working. I mean, technically you are because you're a credential media member and you are doing content. But I say, it's fun, like it's so much fun. I look forward to it every single time I go, so it doesn't really feel like work. That being said, I'm gonna have to try very hard to try to catch up on some sleep at some point this weekend because I'll be. 00:03:47 Speaker 3: Running around again. So you might have a little bit. 00:03:50 Speaker 2: More of a chance because your work scheduled a little lighter in the summer where I'll be out running around and. 00:03:55 Speaker 1: You get back to back weekends at the park too, well, back to back to Nope, that actually four consecutive weekends doing something baseball related for you. 00:04:04 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's a lot. It's a lot, all in a good way. Like I said, I wouldn't trade it for anything. It's incredibly fun. I enjoy every second of it a lot. But it is tiring. That's the only downside. 00:04:17 Speaker 1: So while now that the four days have passed, before we get into the stuff that happened on the field, if you're going to think, off the top of your mind, what was the best part about All Star. 00:04:25 Speaker 2: Weekend outside of what happened on the field. I mean, I would say, it's all the people that we got to meet and either talk to do an interview with all that stuff, because there's so many people that come in from out of town for All Star week that normally you wouldn't get to see. I'd say, there's a handful of baseball events throughout the year where if you attend that applies where you can see a lot of people you wouldn't otherwise regularly get to see things like All Star Week, like the Winter Meetings. 00:04:54 Speaker 3: Actually, that might be about it. 00:04:55 Speaker 2: It might be those two events throughout the year where you can see people. 00:04:59 Speaker 1: From a World Series. 00:05:01 Speaker 3: The World Series. 00:05:01 Speaker 2: I mean, well, let's see if we ever get to the point where we can one actually get media passes for it, or two just have the money to go, Because you're right, if that happened, then we'd see a lot of people too. But it's really those two events where you can see all these other people throughout the country that travel all to one spot for something baseball related. We haven't been to an All Star week Before this, we were too young to remember two thousand and one, and now we got to do it. And we got to see a bunch of people, including I mean, we met some new people like Matt from the be to Tailgate, who you guys know, has a really popular TikTok and Instagram channel. Not only did we do some content with him, he did some content with us, So we should be on his Instagram and TikTok pages at some point in the next few days, which we had a bunch of fun doing. I won't give anything away, but we should be on there. And then we met up with a bunch of people that we already know, and it was always great to catch up with. I mean, we saw Bob Stelton, We saw Mike Lefko who had been guests on this podcast. It was great to see them. We saw Jake and Jordan from Cesspu his family barbecue, our friends who do that awesome podcast and all their content. Great to run into them, obviously, all the just baseball people, I mean, it was it was super fun. 00:06:06 Speaker 3: I mean, I think. 00:06:07 Speaker 2: That's what I took away the most is all the people we got to see and talk to, Because you don't get to see him that often. 00:06:12 Speaker 1: Absolutely, and Dave Wyman too. I'd never talked to Dave Wyman before you you a little bit. Dave hosts with Bob on seven to ten, had meant it, but he was as nice as ever when we went to When we went to hat back to see Bob and Mike Lefko as well was really cool. I do want to give a shout out to the boys at Cesputess Family Barbecue. This hat right here is fucking sick. Look at this thing. They were I think were they giving these away? Were they selling them? I can't remember, but I don't. 00:06:43 Speaker 3: Think they were selling them. 00:06:44 Speaker 2: I think they were just giving them out to people who enjoy their content, enjoy the podcast all that. 00:06:51 Speaker 1: Look. I mean, look at these colors. These are Sonic's colors. This is beautiful. And this is such a unique hat too. I can't imagine there's too many baseball barbicast hats out there. I'm really looking forward to wearing this one. And this is the exact style of hat I like too. It's perfect. You probably if you're listening on Apple or Spotify, you cannot see this hat. So that's your indication to go over to YouTube to check out this hat and subscribe to our YouTube channel as well so you can see our lovely faces while we talk. But this hat is awesome, awesome. 00:07:23 Speaker 2: Almost as awesome as Jake and Jordan themselves are, because you'll see we did some content with them this week too, which by the time this comes out, it should be out in the afternoon on Friday, so you guys will see that on our social channels then, and make sure to go follow those so you can see it. But those guys are awesome. I mean, you guys have probably seen them at some point if you're on social media ever looking at baseball content. They're exactly the same in person as they are on social media. They're really nice, they're outgoing, they love the game, they give great answers, they're funny, and they genuinely like talking to other people, the other baseball fans. So it's been great to get to know Jordan. That was the first time we met Jake for an extensive period of time in person, but. 00:08:06 Speaker 3: He's just as cool. And yeah, those guys are great. 00:08:09 Speaker 2: I always love running into those guys, Like every time I walk away from a conversation with Jordan or now Jake too, I'm always like, man, those guys are the best. 00:08:16 Speaker 1: And congrats to Jake too. We got engaged the day after the All Star Game ended. What a whirlwind of a weekend. 00:08:22 Speaker 2: Yeah, it really never stops for him. We're talking about us being tired. He's got to get through a whole week of content and then he's probably got his busiest day of the entire week coming up the day after. 00:08:32 Speaker 1: Absolutely. All right, Well, let's get down to the guys actually playing on the field, and let's get to our Mariner storylines. Let's start with the home run derby on Monday night, the one that both you and I were able to attend. Wow, what an event. Do we just start with Julio's first round? I mean, holy shit, another plug. We've got a vlog coming out in a few days. We've logged the entire week, all four days, including the home run derby. And let me tell you what, you and I both were losing our shit watching Julio Rodriguez in that first round. You thought he couldn't top thirty two from the year before, because thirty two in LA last year was nuts. And then he comes out this year and hits forty one bombs. He hit thirty two with a minute to go before he got the extra time. What a show, dude, I mean, what a show that guy put on. You figured he'd do something special during the derby. I didn't think it was gonna be that. The lights are on and he performs. It's really amazing. But like ourselves probably too, I think we tired ourselves out with excitement during that first round. For when the second round world around, the energy sort of matched. Julios as well when he only put up a dut of a round with only twenty homers in the second round, unfortunately fell for what we were like, Oh my god, story book derby, storybook, this man is going to set records and when a home run derby in his own part. Oh and then he just could not. He could not hit the ball in the second round. He used up every ounce of energy he needed. He needed more of those free gator rates that were handing out. I know Gatorade sponsored the whole event. I saw those the new Gatorade energy drink sponsorships all over the field, and I saw the players drinking them as well. I think he if you already had one, he probably could have used another one, just like we also probably could have used another one. 00:10:24 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you could only have one because those things have two hundred milligrams of caffeine in it, So if you have two, there might be some problems. 00:10:31 Speaker 3: So maybe Julio needed one. 00:10:34 Speaker 1: Maybe, or maybe how about a one and a half. 00:10:38 Speaker 2: That's still pushing it. Three hundred milligrams of caffeine in one sitting. Isn't that a lot. I'm not even a coffee drinker or a caffeine drinker, and even I know that's a lot. 00:10:45 Speaker 1: That's a lot. I don't know how much caffeine Julio drinks on a daily basis. Some people have really high tolerances. You'd be surprised to the amount of caffeine some people ingest in a day. It's not necessarily good to ingest that much caffeine. I usually keep it to a cup of coffe day if I'm not doing anything spectacular, So putting down one and a half of those that it's quite a bit for Julio. But if he needed some actual juice there for the second round, it might it might have helped. I have a couple of notes here. I was kind of shocked. He do you know his average exit Velocia and his home runs there in the second round, it was ninety nine. Think of how low that is for a home run hitter, and for how hard Julio hits the ball. It wasn't hitting the ball that hard really in that second home run derby round. And I will just give you an example his opponent, Vlad who there's a great piece on MLB dot com breaking down the home run derby results and some of the numbers behind it. All of his rounds, I think Vlad averaged over one hundred and five miles an hour per homer an average per homer, which is incredible durability for a player through the sixty something home runs usually hit over the course of an entire derby that you win. He managed to sustain that, unlike Julio, who couldn't even get a ball over four hunder than thirty feet in the second round. Vlad averaged four hundred and forty feet in the second round, showing you know, it's a marathon, not a sprint. And Julio he won the first lap. He didn't, he didn't win the second, and didn't get a chance to compete in the third one. 00:12:15 Speaker 2: So that's the downside of the round Julio had is because he hit forty one and because he had to go first because he was the lower seed, it tired him out. Now, if Pete Alonzo had gone before him, if Pete hits twenty two to twenty six homers, Julio probably breaks that with ease. He saves half his long balls for essentially the next round, and then maybe things get easier for him because he didn't have to use as much energy. But as electrifying as the forty one home runs were, you could Telly was gas. Everybody could tell he was gas. And that's no knock on Julio. I think anybody would be just totally out of breadth after hitting forty one home runs in a round and going max effort on all those swings. In fact, it wasn't forty one swings he had, I mean he took more than that in the first round. And yeah, you just you just lose the stamina after a certain amount of time. It is a lot of effort that you have to put into hitting those home runs in such a short spurt. Because it's not the ten outs anymore. You don't get to take five pitches in between. It is a rapid fire round and you're swinging away as hard as you can. 00:13:12 Speaker 3: So yeah, he got burned out. If he had gone first, it might have been a different result. 00:13:16 Speaker 1: Think of this stat. Think of this stat. He had forty four swings and hit thirty two homers in regulation. That's incredible efficiency. 00:13:25 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you've never seen anything like it. Again, he hit thirty two total last year. This year he hit thirty two before the extra time even started. 00:13:34 Speaker 3: Nuts. 00:13:36 Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty insane. It would have been tough for him to win the final, especially with that first round. Because Vlad still managed to win, but he had to go second in the He had to go second in the second round. Then he had to turn around and go first in the final against Randy a Rose Arena, which he powered through again Vlad. I think Vlad's built for the Derby. I think he is. Maybe he he's not as maniacal as Pete Alnzo is with the derby, but he is built really to sustain through a derby, and he's chilled that off through a couple of derbies. Now, I'm not quite sure if Julio would would have pulled that off, we would have been rooting for him, But that would have been. That would have been a kind of a tough turnaround. 00:14:16 Speaker 2: People forget in twenty nineteen Vladdie hit over ninety home runs in that derby. He lost and Pete Alonzo ultimately won the derby. But everybody remembers that twenty nineteen Derby as the Vladdie Derby because he had the whole swing off round in the semifinals, they were just going toe for tow and he hit all these balls out of the yard. He hadn't done it in a little bit, but since he re entered it wasn't that shocking that he was good at this thing. I mean, it was not that long ago when he was just putting on a show in Cleveland, when he was in that last derby and just kind of picked up right where he left off. 00:14:47 Speaker 3: I think you're right. 00:14:48 Speaker 2: I think Vladdie's one of the few people probably more built for this than Julio. Is as good as Julio was. So you know what, I would say, this is the second year in a row that Julio has stolen the show in the Derby but hasn't won, which you can take that. 00:15:03 Speaker 3: However you want. 00:15:05 Speaker 2: Even though he didn't win, there's still going to be a memory forever of this derby with Julio attached to it because of what he did in the first round. 00:15:12 Speaker 1: I want to give another shout out for this derby. I mentioned to you multiple times and we were both kind of all inspired when we saw it in the first round. Give a shout out to probably the second crowd favorite, Adley Rutchman. Grew up down in the Portland area and he put did something that I don't think we've ever seen in the derby. He goes in his first round, hits left handed and matches twenty one home runs in regulation, gets an extra thirty seconds and proceeds without warm up right handed to hit six home runs on six swing his first six swings in extra time, really catching everyone off guard of oh shit, he's sitting stepping up to the plate right handed. Oh he's knocking every pitch out of the park right handed without warm up. 00:15:58 Speaker 3: That was crazy. 00:15:59 Speaker 2: Fact he switched over to the right side, which people were probably not thrilled about who were sitting in right field considering there were like no lefties in this derby besides Adley. There were no balls hits the right field aside from when Adley was up, but the fact he did what he did and he just casually switches over to the right side and just starts hitting nukes out into the upper deck in left field. That was crazy. And he got so robbed too. Adley was so good and everybody is gonna not forget about it now, but it's gonna be a secondary story because he lost to Luise Robert in the first round, so he didn't even get to move on to the semifinals. That's my one thing with the derby. If I had to change one thing, I don't want to go back to the ten outs. I didn't really love that. I like the rapid fire now where guys are hitting more home runs. I would change, however, the whole top four advanced thing rather than having it be a bracket head to head. I get what the head to head's exciting, but for people like Adlee who probably deserve to move on, you get robbed. So I would love to see it go back to the top four at some point. 00:17:00 Speaker 1: Would you like it to maybe slow down a little bit so we can actually admire the home runs? I did hear some some more valid argument on this point, And since we're at the ballpark, we don't. Really. We can see all the home runs. It doesn't really matter how fast they're hitting them, but for a viewer at home, it's sometimes a little bit hard to catch up with all these home runs they're hitting up. They're doing swing, swing, swing. I think they're technically supposed to wait for the ball to land in the seats before they pitch again, but I don't think anyone listens to that, so we don't really get to admire those home runs. I honestly would be the biggest opponent of them slowing it down a little bit so we can go like, oh my god, he hit that ball really far. 00:17:36 Speaker 2: I don't care that much about that. I mean, they too box it on ESPN, where they could they show the ball traveling and they still have the player in the box taking his next swing, and they usually follow it. I mean, sometimes maybe the camera work isn't perfect, but I don't I'm indifferent about that. I'm fine with the rapid fire around and just seeing a lot of home runs. I still think you can watch the balls fly for the most part. I would just rather see a the top four advance and. 00:18:01 Speaker 1: You have to really back to the fans part. I mean you have to be furious if you bought Home Run Derby tickets in February for the lower level on right field, and you're like, we're catching the ball this time, we're getting We're getting something out there, whether it be BP or the Derby, we're getting something. And yet you got half of one round. I'm sorry, three quarters of one round of left handed swinging, and that's it. 00:18:28 Speaker 2: Not great. That's not great. Also, we got to give a shout out to Pete Alonzo. We can't talk about the Derby without talking about him. I think it's so hilarious that this guy legitimately treats this thing as his world series. 00:18:39 Speaker 3: Now, I will be transparent. 00:18:41 Speaker 2: On this podcast, despite it being an event that's supposed to be fun and just lighthearted. I was genuinely nervous for Julio when he was up there. I was nervous during his first round. I went nuts after the forty one homers, I went I was going nuts when he walked into the box for a second round, and I was a little disappointed when he only came away with twenty. I was nervous for Julio because I wanted him to win so badly in his home park. But we're fans, we're fans of the game, we're fans. 00:19:07 Speaker 3: Of the derby. We're allowed to do that. 00:19:09 Speaker 2: Peter Alonzo, legit treats this thing like the world's gonna end if he doesn't win. 00:19:13 Speaker 3: I mean, you saw the introductions. 00:19:15 Speaker 2: Everybody's coming out, they're hopping around, they're putting their hands in the air, they're trying to have fun, and here comes Pete Alonzo when they announce his name, Death's there, eyes closed, walking out. He's furious and that he doesn't even get out of the first round. I mean, listen, I know he's good at this event, but can't you just take a little bit of a chill pill with this? 00:19:36 Speaker 1: Is Pete Alonzo in the hot seat because you can't defeat Julio Rodriguez in the derby. 00:19:41 Speaker 3: Oh he might be hot seat, Pete Alonzo. 00:19:45 Speaker 1: He's over two against Julio. 00:19:46 Speaker 2: Now, yeah, he might have to like slip MLB some money under the table to rearrange the bracket next year. So he makes sure he doesn't face Julio until the finals. 00:19:56 Speaker 1: Julio can do a Jordan three Pete if he beats Pete again next year, So you know, Julio probably is gonna do the derby again next year. The question is Pete sees himself in the bracket with Julio looking across at him, and Pete is only ever lost in the derby to Julio Rodriguez. That's it. He's won everything else. And he looks at that and he's like, you know what, I'm gonna pull out. I can't do it. I gotta just bite my bullet and go for next year because I can't beat this guy. 00:20:24 Speaker 2: Our friends were making some jokes that after he lost in the first round, he probably like punched a hole in the wall and left the stadium before the event ended. Other people were joking that he's gonna come out with a claim that Major League Baseball rigged the derby and made him use dejuice balls and whatever. I mean, he just takes it a little too seriously. Again, it's supposed to be fun, it's supposed to be lighthearted. I'm glad he's good at the event. I want to see Pete Alonso keep competing in the Derby. I just wish he could crack a smile about it every now and then. And also, maybe you don't need to meditate and lift weights and do deadlifts before you step in there for the derby. Just my two cents, maybe it'd be fine without it. 00:21:01 Speaker 1: It's supposed to be almost a vacation, Pete. It's supposed to be fun, you. 00:21:07 Speaker 2: Would think, but not in Pete A Lonzo's world. He's like, well, the Mets are never making the World Series, So what's my secondary prize winning the derby? 00:21:17 Speaker 3: Yeah? 00:21:17 Speaker 2: Anyway, Home Run Derby was awesome as a whole. I couldn't have had any more fun being at the event. It was a really good derby. You're gonna see much more from us in the vlog this week, so make sure to check that out on YouTube, and you get live reactions from DJ and I and we're going pretty nuts, especially during those Julio rounds, so be sure to check that out. 00:21:37 Speaker 4: This fall. Stream your favorites and discover more with Disney Plus, Hulu and ESPN Plus together. Watch the highly anticipated new season of Loki and see the ghost materialize in Haunted Mansion on Disney Plus. Catch more frights with the Boogeyman, an American horror story delegate, on Hulu and on ESPN Plus. 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I was juiced up hearing those chants. Okay, so disclaimer. The All Star Game was the one event during the week TJ and I were not at we wanted to go. I had every intention of going. I figured ticket prices were going to drop because we had tickets for everything else. Our family had gotten tickets for the Derby long before, but we had to pick one or the other because we share a plan with some. 00:23:17 Speaker 3: People, so it was Derby the All Star Game. We picked the Derby. 00:23:20 Speaker 2: I figured All Star Game tickets, especially the day of might go down, but man, they set records. They literally set records for high end ticket prices. It was an hour before it was still four hundred bucks. So we were like, okay, this is a little much for an exhibition game. It was one hundred dollars more than the actual playoff game in October. So we said, okay, I think we've got to find an alternative option. So we went over to the John Boy media watch party over at Optimism Brewing, which was awesome. We got to meet a bunch of people from John Boy. We watched their stuff all the time, and I think we still had a good time, right even if we weren't at the actual game. 00:23:52 Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, Yeah. All those John Boy guys were super nice and we understand that they had to welcome and talk to tens of people that day. We were talking to Chris post. We were having a conversation with Chris Rose, and he was super nice, but it was very obvious that Chris Rose had been through a long All Star Game content week and had talked to a lot of people at the watch party, so he tried his best. But overall it was great. They were struggling to get the game on the television, but the environment itself was fabulous. We're able to watch everything that was important to us and enjoy the rest of the rest of the experience. Otherwise, Optimism Brewing, by the way, it's a great spot. 00:24:35 Speaker 3: It is. 00:24:36 Speaker 2: Now let's get back to show. Hey, we sidetracked there a little bit. We're sitting there watching at Optimism Brewing with all the John Boy people, and when that chance started and we get the pass, it update tweeting about it, and then you hear the actual videos with it roaring throughout the stadium. God, I was so fired up. You're gonna have to talk me off the ledge here because I've I promised myself I was not gonna do this. 00:24:59 Speaker 3: I literally made. 00:24:59 Speaker 2: A promise to myself. I'm not gonna let myself get sucked into the Otani hype when it starts. It started way earlier than I thought to be fair, because I figured it would pick up in the off season and not here in July. But here we are between the chance. Otani acknowledging the chance, saying you spend time in Seattle, thinks the city is beautiful. His interpreter, who's one of his best friends, talking about he grew up a Mariners fan. Him and Luis Castillo were caught on the Japan broadcast after Otani's inning of work on the mound doing the rock celebration together like Otani literally did the Luis Castillo celebration with Louise And there's all this stuff piling up. So I need to be driven off the ledge here and just talk down for why it's not gonna happen, because I don't want to let myself do this. 00:25:46 Speaker 1: I'm the wrong person do that, because everybody in that stadium was thinking along the lines of you. We met a guy outside the park at lumen Field. I believe he's already featured on one of our social videos that we can put out this week. He had a seventeen Mariners Otani jersey and Sunday cream walking around or looking at him like that looks fucking good. That looks like something that should be and I think Otani might start to think that that could be it, that could be it. 00:26:15 Speaker 2: He looked pretty good in that Teal All Star jersey. I must say, like it looked totally natural. This is not even me. I mean, okay, I'm not even gonna bother lying. I was gonna say this is me being unbiased. No it's not, I'm being totally biased. Oh TONI did look good in that teal uniform. Like it looked like you fit right in. 00:26:31 Speaker 1: Yeah, yes he did. Man, It's it's so dreamy. It's so dreamy. But I'm glad. I'm glad that happened at the glame. I'm glad everybody whoever started that. It might have been multiple people, but credit to you guys, Credit to you guys, because everybody is thinking along the same lines. It takes the effort of the city to show how much a player is coveted and wanted, and you got one, You got one. I would say neutral opportunity where the Mariners are not playing on the field and we have an All Star game and a neutral corporate environment. But the diehard fans showed up and they told o'tani what they want. They told him we want you, buddy, we want you to come here, and he didn't say no. 00:27:15 Speaker 2: He did not say no like it makes me think that the odds are actually better than I originally thought. And again, this is why I don't want to let myself do this. I don't want to let myself get sucked back into this because little flashback for those who don't know me prior this podcast, TJ Well knows because he was part of it with me six years ago. We let ourselves get sucked into all the narratives very heavily. We were certain he was coming here. Then we got burned for him to go to a team within our own division, and he's tormented us for the last six years. So I really don't want to let myself do this again. But man, when you just break down the logistics of it between it seems like he's going to want to stay on the West Coast. If he's not going to go back to the Angels, it feels like that leaves the Mariners, the Dodgers, and maybe the Giants like it feels like they're going to be right in this. And the fact he was so appreciative of those fans who started roaring for him during that game. Man, it was crazy. Let me say this too, if somebody somehow knows who started that chant. I don't know how it's possible to find the origin of it, but if somebody knows who started that chant, please tag us on Twitter, Instagram or something. We will happily give you a shout out and give you your credit where credits due. 00:28:23 Speaker 1: It so exciting. I completely forgot he lived in Seattle for some of the off season until he mentioned it because he spent some time at drive Line and now show. Hey, here's my pitch to you as well. You know, a better time to live in Seattle than in the off season during the season. It's really nice here. I think you'd like it a lot. 00:28:41 Speaker 2: He saw it himself this week. I would say the weather was pretty nice, wasn't too hot right on the water. Fans were packed throughout the ballpark. People were there to see you, dude. I think people would be showing up to the ballpark every single day to see you if you were here. 00:28:55 Speaker 1: And one sort of understated storyline that we mentioned, and I think I mentioned among some Mariner circles as well, who's the one notable mariner who's not there. 00:29:08 Speaker 3: It was Echi Row. 00:29:11 Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't wasn't there? 00:29:14 Speaker 3: Well where was he? 00:29:16 Speaker 1: He was in Japan, And we know Ichiro knew exactly when the All Star Game was. Like, he's a smart guy. He knows when the All Star Game is. He knows who the biggest star in Major League Baseball is, and he knows where the All Star Game is being played, and he knows that his franchise is now hosting the All Star Game for the third time and wants to put on its best display possible. And yet he was not there. Now we remember the first time, though Tony sweepstakes were going on back in the off season of twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, the detractor right for show, hey for coming to Seattle was he did not want to be in each ro shadow. Well, there was no Echro there this weekend. He didn't even let himself have the opportunity to put the spotlight on him at all this weekend. Oh not at all, Which we don't know if it's delibered or not. But I do think it's interesting because each Ro's at the ballpark almost every single weekend during the season. But for the biggest weekend of the year in Seattle. 00:30:30 Speaker 2: He wasn't that's interesting. I hadn't even thought about that. So you got to stop, because now you're getting me fired up again. You're giving me all these reasons for why it could be a part of the Mariners and Jerry Depoto's grand master plan regarding Otani. Like it's known at this point, it's well known that they are going to be in the fight for him this winter. I think everybody knows it. I think we've had speculation about it for a while, that they've been saving up their funds to go after them, and MLB dot Com at a story this week saying exactly that. I gotta give the fans credit though, because look, this is basically gonna be the last time that we talk heavily about Otani and the Mariners until the offseason starts, because that's when it's gonna become relevant again. But I think I think I summed it up well on my tweet this week, right, I said, no matter what happens this winner, the fans did their job this week, Like every Mariners fan, especially the ones at that game, deserve a major tip of the cap because they did their job. You left the lasting impression on him, something he is going to remember for a long time, and something you better believe he's gonna remember when he hits free agency. 00:31:35 Speaker 1: I did have one more thing on the top of my head that I'm struggling to think of. Oh oh, here we go. I got it, I got Okay, ready, I have a proposition for you. 00:31:44 Speaker 2: Okay, Actually, before you give that proposition, because this is going to be long, I was just going to add into each Ero wasn't there, but him and Griffy were messing around in the dugout during the All Star Game, hugging and high fiving Hen Griffy Juniors part owner of the team, now owner. It's just another piece of the plan. But anyway, let's hear your proposition. 00:32:04 Speaker 1: Here's another pitch to show Hey, regardless of if he chooses the Mariners or not, I'm going to offer show hey O Tawani our platform here on the Marine Layer podcast to announce his free agent decision if he so does so. Lebron James, when he made his decision back before the twenty ten basketball season twenty eleven, went on ESPN and wanted to make a big deal as possible. You know what, show, Hey, I know you might not. I know you're not one for the the enormous spotlight that you attract. So I give you the option instead of ESPN or whatever you decide to announce your decision on to come on a smaller podcast with smaller audience. So I think that would be more more your speed there, show, Hey, the decision is yours. You're invited on open Invite. 00:32:55 Speaker 2: We'll do a YouTube live stream. That way we don't have to wait to post it. Everybody can just hop on this. Hopefully we'll have hundreds of thousands of views in there. As he hops in and says, I'm going to take my talents to the Pacific Northwest and join the Seattle Mariners. 00:33:10 Speaker 1: Isn't this crazy to think about? The last thing on show? Hey, this will be the biggest free agent in any sport since Lebron, the biggest one. Oh it might be ever, Yeah, it might be ever, which is crazy to think about for a Major League Baseball off season, but that's legitimately what it will be this offseason. 00:33:30 Speaker 2: We're not excited about this at all, as you can probably tell from listening to this segment, and in fact, we're dreading it. You can tell by the tones of our voices that you know, if show Hay comes here or not, we're pretty indifferent, like it doesn't really matter to us at all. Team doesn't need them, right, I mean, you know they'll be fine without them. It's we're just sitting here saying, eh, it is what it is. 00:33:50 Speaker 1: Well, make sure the first place you listen after show Hey decides is this podcast, because you will either hear us happy or broken again. Stay tuned, Stay tuned. 00:34:00 Speaker 2: For those who couldn't tell the sarcasm, I hope the sarcasm was echoed there on our airwaves. If not, Yeah, we're really excited about this Otani thing this winter. And I hate that I am because I keep wanting to be talked off the ledge and just let myself say, yeah, he's going to be a Dodger, just forget it. But after this weekend, I can't do it. Like I'm getting sucked back in. I hate it, but I'm getting sucked back in. 00:34:22 Speaker 1: I think you need a distraction, Lyle. I have a suggestion. Let's hear a little bit about the Major League Baseball Draft. This past weekend, we had Joe Doyle on talk to him yesterday. And Joe does a great job at Future Stars covering the Major League Baseball Draft. We got to meet him in person, which was awesome. He was there at Luminfield before the first round of the draft on Sunday and he was nice enough to come say hello to us. And he is the first recurring guest, which is great. And you know, I gave him an award, give him a round of applause, and he opted on to break it down with us. He's great. I love Joe. 00:35:00 Speaker 2: I mean, he knows his stuff so well. There's not many people out there. I feel like they know the draft better than Joe, and he can go so in depth with so many guys, which has been which is awesome. In fact, that's why we kind of steered away from doing any draft talk on our last show. I mean, TJ gave the guys their credit where credits due. We talked about Okay in the first round with their three picks, the Mariners drafted Cole Emerson, Johnny Farmelo, TYPEE. We kind of left it at that because we knew we were going to have the conversation with Joe this week, and we said, let's let the expert give everybody a breakdown on what to expect from all these guys. So that's what we did, and it doesn't just stop there. The Mariners made some really exciting picks after the first round two which we made sure to ask Joe about, which he broke down fantastically and it just made me that much more excited. I'll give you guys one name too. You'll hear it in the interview. But Teddy McGraw, Oh, that might be the steal of the draft. People were talking about that today on Thursday. The Mariners might have just got the steal of the draft in the third round. 00:35:57 Speaker 1: And pay attention to the type of players they're drafting and the type of pictures that they aimed at after the first round, something I didn't really pick up on, but Joe made a point to point it out, and I think it's really fascinating however you view how the Mariners developed pictures. I thought it was a very very interesting point. So let's not delay any longer. Let's get to our interview with Joe Doyle. All right, we welcome on Joe Doyle, a senior analyst at Future Star Series and the host of The Overslot podcast the first recurring guest on this show. Joe, congratulations, that is that's quite an honor. You are also the first guest on this podcast, so I know you got some things set up there behind you. I think a plaque might be necessary for that. 00:36:45 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, where's the certificate? The plaque, the lanyard? Something, guys, I need something. 00:36:51 Speaker 1: And it was good to Joe. 00:36:52 Speaker 5: I appreciate it. 00:36:53 Speaker 1: It was good to finally get to meet you in person. This weekend, we're all out there on Sunday inside lumin Field at the just awesome draft setup with great weather, in a festive environment, getting ready for three Maritors first round picks. What's we'll get on here in a second, but overall, I mean that environment was cool. There were a ton of people in there. We got our signature Rob Manford moment when he got booed as shit when the Astros were picking. I think we checked all the boxes. 00:37:21 Speaker 5: I think in terms of a Major League Baseball event, I think Seattle handled it beautifully and that Rob Manford moment. Listen, if you are going to voluntarily elect to play highlights of the Astros beating the Mariners in Seattle, I mean, you're kind of digging your own graves. So that was a beautiful moment. 00:37:40 Speaker 3: I've got to say. 00:37:41 Speaker 2: I mean, I'll give Roger good Out credit for this because when he's announcing draft picks and walks up to the stage for the NFL Draft, he's embraced it. At this point, he takes on the booing. He rases the fans sometimes like he owns it. Manfred's not so great at that. I mean, you saw during that Astros pick you could see the anger on his face when people booing him, and it almost threw him off for a second. So I think he needs a little more practice before he kind of hones that thing in. 00:38:06 Speaker 5: I think Rob thinks that everyone really really likes him, but in reality, he's just made it so it's easy not to like him, and so he gets very flustered when it comes out that you know, he's being like booed off the stage. So I don't exactly know. I think you're totally right. I think what makes Roger Goodell kind of lovable is that he may be lovable isn't the word, but he embraces the hate. He embraces the the tradition of booing the commissioner off the stage, Roger Goodell looked very frazzled and annoyed. I was fine with. 00:38:40 Speaker 1: It, especially that second look he gave. It was it was the I can't remember if we mentioned it on the podcast that that we released now today recording on Wednesday, but a couple of days earlier when you hear this on Friday, But like a substitute teacher who had lost control of the class, and that just discipline pointed like come on, yes, just listen to me for a second. Look on his face that he had just absolutely no control over. But I guess that's kind of what he gets for some of the decisions he's made. 00:39:11 Speaker 5: That's a good analogy. My mom was a teacher. That's a that's a very good analogy. I Rob needs to get a grip. I mean, he should have just embraced it. But whatever, we're not petulant children. 00:39:23 Speaker 2: So Joe, before we start really diving into the specifics of all these Mariners draft picks, I was actually hoping you could talk TJ and I off the ledge a little bit, because when these draft picks happened on Sunday night, TJ and I were sitting there and we kind of been watching the draft play out, or I say kind of. We'd very closely been watching the draft play out and we were hoping the Mariners were going to get some college bats early. And the reason for that is it felt like they just had this wave of players come up that now formed this young Mariner's nucleus with Kirby, Julio, Logan, cal Raley, et cetera. And then it feels like there's another wave in the deep deep low end to the Miners with Celestine, with Lazaro Montes, with Cole Young, etc. 00:40:04 Speaker 3: Etc. 00:40:05 Speaker 2: But all those guys feel fairly far away where it feels like there's a big gap in the middle, and we were hoping they were going to supplement some of that, and we were a little disappointed at the time when they took all these high school guys because it just feels like no reinforcements are coming outside of harry Ford in terms of your top prospects in the next couple of years. But maybe you can help talk us off the ledge of why that's the wrong mindset. 00:40:28 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:40:28 Speaker 5: I pushed out a tweet after the first round and I said, boy, seven of the Mariner's top eight prospects can't drink a beer, and I think it's ten of the top twelve or ten of the top top thirteen. And actually, when Brian Wu graduates, it'll be all of the top seven and nine of the top eleven will be under the age of twenty one. So listen. I think the ultimate goal in any draft is to take the player that you believe is most talented and the player that you believe you can expunge the most production out of. And to your guys' point, I do think there was some college bats there that Seattle was very excited about, whether that be Matt Shaw or Tommy Troy, Braden Taylor and Enrique Bradfield Junior. Those were the ones that I kept hearing, but they were all gone. And so when all of those guys came off the board, I'm sure Seattle had to pivot a little bit. I know that they've always really liked Cole t Emerson, but they probably had to pivot a bit, and they did end up taking three high schoolers. All three of those high schoolers have sensational upside for my money, so had to get a little bit more creative with their money. But I mean, sheh, they've got so much talent coming up through the low miners, and if this is a team that needs to make some deals, some trades, things of that nature this winter, they definitely have the ammunition for it. 00:41:44 Speaker 1: Now, I think that last tier of college bat it would have been Chase Davis. Now, I don't know if you had heard anything that the Mariners being interested in him as well, But you know, it's before the Cardinals pick, and Lawana are sitting there and it's like, well, Chase Davis is the last, you know, real college bat in that first tier before you really would have to stretch and pick someone way over their draft value. So I don't know if there was really anything legit there or any smoke between the Mariners and him before having to really settle on all those high schoolers. 00:42:14 Speaker 5: I you know, I hadn't heard a Chase Davis connection to the Maritor. Let me rephrase. I know Seattle liked him, but it was going to be an underslot deal, and I don't think there was there was enough suitors with Chase Davis in the first round that we're going to pay him more than I think Seattle was. And Plus I think this front office just really has an affinity for players that play up the middle. I mean, how many guys have we seen that they really focus on that are just athletes that have multiple different routes of getting to the big leagues. So I think with Chase, you're looking at a potential left fielder who's not necessarily a terribly a decorated runner. So I don't know if you would have fit their draft strategy perfectly, but I do think after those four college bats were gone, they had the plan of switching to high school right away. 00:43:00 Speaker 1: So let's start off with Colt Emerson, their pick at twenty two. We talk about upside here, but what's most intriguing about him for a high schooler is that you mentioned he has probably the highest floor of these first three picks. He has a little bit of similarity to Cole Young. I mean a Midwest high school per se, a guy up the middle of a MIC's not stick at short but has a really nice tool hitting at the plate with the left handed swing. What do you like so much about Colt. 00:43:28 Speaker 5: Well, Cole was one of the best hitters in the country last year for Team USA across the tournament cycles, across the Showcase cycles. Beautiful left handed swing, plays gap to gap has pull side power. He has more power than what Cole Young had at the same stage. I think Colt Emerson is just a Midwest boy. Like I interviewed him, Gosh, it would have had to have been November or December of last year, and he said that his favorite meal is going to Subway and just getting turkey and cheese, like that's it. He gets mayo on it. There's no lettuce, there's no tomato. He gets double meat because he wants the ProTeam. Like he's just one of those guys, you know, he's just kind of a farm guy. So I think he's gonna hit a ton. I think he's gonna hit for a bit of power. 00:44:10 Speaker 3: You know. 00:44:10 Speaker 5: He could be a guy that runs into seventeen to twenty three home runs is kind of what I'm foreseeing. I do think he ends up at third base, maybe in the mold of a Daniel Murphy type of a player. But he's a fantastic human being. He's just a very very nice kid. He's extremely young. He's barely eighteen years old. So I think when you check all of those different boxes with col Temerson, it's just it's what Seattle has targeted and it's a control the zone type of the pick. 00:44:36 Speaker 1: I think Colet and Lyle should go grab lunch sometime. I think they'd have a lot in common. 00:44:39 Speaker 5: Now your order to Lyle, are you just a turkey, cheese and mayo? 00:44:44 Speaker 2: Not exactly that, but I don't mind Subway. To put it lightly, I mean, so we went to the La Public Market once. We told this story a couple of weeks back, and I was so so in the mood for Subway that I walked across the street and got Subway while everybody else got stuff at the La Public Market. So TJ was smirking as you kind of told that cold Emerson story, and I knew exactly what he was thinking, because yeah, we do have some similarities in that way. So maybe if we ever interview him, we can do like a sit down with a couple of mics. We can sit it a Subway and maybe get them to sponsor it or something. 00:45:15 Speaker 3: There you go. 00:45:16 Speaker 5: I think that's a good idea, although I will say I don't know if Subway particularly wants to be known as the place that you only get turkey and cheese on a sandwich and walk out. 00:45:24 Speaker 3: But that's fair. 00:45:25 Speaker 5: Hey, everyone everyone has their everyone has. 00:45:27 Speaker 3: Their order right, right right. 00:45:30 Speaker 2: It is interesting what you noted about Emerson's power, though, because that was gonna be one of my questions is is he almost a carbon copy of Cole Young in the sense of hit tool first, not going to hit for a lot of pop, but it sounds like you believe he could really hit for some power as he continues to develop. 00:45:45 Speaker 5: Yeah, he's a much more physical kid. He's a He's an entire year younger than Cole Young at the same stage, and he's got a barrel chest, he's got broad shoulders, he's got more bat speed than what Cole Young had at the same point. Do I think he's gonna hit for more power than Cole Young, Yes, I do. I think his swing covers the entire zone a little bit better than Cole for power, whereas Cole is really just a guy that has showcased power in that lefty loop zone down and in so you know, I think Colet Emerson is going to be able to take some fastballs at the top of the zone over the fence and hit those mistake breaking pitches and off speed pitches for more power than what Cole Young has been able to do At this point, but the fact that he I can't stress this enough, the fact that he is an entire year younger than Cole Young. Cole Young, I believe just turned twenty. Cole Emerson's going to play the entire twenty twenty four season as a nineteen year old. He's just that, you know, he's a very very young player. So I think there's more upside and projectability with that regard. But he is just as big as Cole Young already, So I don't know if the body's going to get too much bigger. 00:46:50 Speaker 1: Where do they shift these guys around in the field. If you're going to take a look at the lower levels of the minor league system, you got a bunch of short stops down there. But again, we know Cole Young, probably once he gets to the big league level, won't stick at shortstop, and you mentioned Cole Emerson also might not. So how do you think they would structure that in the minor leagues? If these guys eventually start playing together. 00:47:11 Speaker 5: I don't think they're gonna worry about where they're playing on the diamond until Arkansas, until like double A or triple A. Like For the time being, let's say you signed these guys right now. You could play Colt Emerson at shortstop. You could move and this is modesto. I'm assuming you move Cole Young up to Everett, you put Colt Emerson at shortstop, you put Axel Sanchez at second second base, and you rotate those guys in modesto and then ty Pete. You know, I don't know what their plan is going to be with ty Pete, but you could h one of these guys. You could put them at third base, you can put them at second base, shortstop. You can find ways to get all of these guys on the field and get them their reps where they need to. But I don't think finding a definitive home is gonna be It might not ever be a priority. I might just be one of those guys that you know, like a Marwin Gonzalez or a Jeff McNeil, or you know, a guy that can play all three infield positions, and depending on the day, that's where they're gonna play. So I wouldn't think too much into it right now. But considering Seattle's shortstop depth in the minor leagues right now, I would expect that, you know, if they are going to make a deal this July or this winter. Like the shortstop crop that they currently have has got to be an area where they think that they could lean into to make it to make a trade. 00:48:24 Speaker 2: Where does Cellustine play into all of that. I mean, he's a little bit behind all these guys, But is it the same idea that he's not going to be pigeonholed at one spot and they'll just move him around until they get to around that double A level. 00:48:37 Speaker 5: I don't think so. I think wherever cell Ustin is, he's gonna play shortstop. He's the most decorated defender of all of these guys that we've talked about. He has the most projection, he has the lung levers, he's got the high waist, he's got the body fluidity. Like he's the guy, he's the best athlete that is going to be the best shortstop wherever he ends up. He might be the best defensive shortstop of all this group. Already right now, he's probably a better defender than Cole Jung at the stage. So, like you said, he is a level behind. 00:49:06 Speaker 3: He might not. 00:49:07 Speaker 5: We'll see whether or not he plays in the Arizona Complex League this year. I'm not sure what the plan is going to be, but I would expect in twenty twenty four he's still going to start at the Arizona Complex League. I can't imagine that they throw him to Modesto as an eighteen year old. So the point is wherever Felni and Selieston is, you can probably bet that he's going to be playing shortstop ninety percent of the time. 00:49:32 Speaker 1: Let's move on to Johnny Farmelo, who they took at twenty nine. First of all, love his name. Second of all, it's intriguing because he looks like he slots in not only as a as a thumper in the middle of the lineup, but he's also a supreme athlete. It looks like he's going to play the corner outfield. But I see double plus runner. I see great arm in the outfield as well, combined with that power. This is where I think the upside really really starts showing. When we will talk about Ty Pete here in a little bit too. With the upside with this pick in terms of what could be in the middle of the lineup, really starts to show. 00:50:08 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I kind of liken Johnny too. This isn't a great comparison because he didn't have a great Mariner's career, But I think if you could have extracted the best one hundred and fifty five games you could have out of Jake Frayley, that's kind of what I see in Johnny Farmelo, like a potential two sixty two sixty five guy high walks. I personally think if Jake Frayley could have gotten his feet under him, had a full time role, played a bit more center field, like, I think he could have been a twenty five home run person. I just think he had a good feel for the barrel. The comp that I used and this wasn't a comp, but like the player role that I used, that's like the ninety fifth percentile expectation would be like the physical tools that Cody Bellinger has in terms of like the real ability to run, the real bat speed, the physical projectible frame, the center field role, the left handed hitter. Like that's You're never gonna slap a Cody Bellinger comp on anyone, because what he's done in the league has been sensational, especially his first few years. But it's the type of unicorn traits that you just can't really find in most players. You don't find a guy with double plus row power. You don't find a guy that's a double plus runner with both of those things where he can actually play center field, and he's a left handed hitter. So there's a huge volatility margin here, Like there's a chance that Johnny Farmelo doesn't ever truly take to hitting and he never gets past double A. But I think when you look at the ceiling of Johnny Farmelo, it's kind of hard to find anyone else in this class that can match what he could eventually become. But that could take some time. 00:51:47 Speaker 1: You mentioned the hitting, in which I may think for this comparison which I saw on Twitter is really interesting. I'm staring at a side by side of his load and his swing with Christian Yelich, who was also a very noted high school hitter. I think he was a first basement in high school and then moved to the outfield. But I think I thought that was a little curious when I when I saw it, and but I see the similar I see the similarities at least in this in the screen grab that I'm staring at. Is there is there anything there. 00:52:16 Speaker 5: Uh, in terms of like what the player could eventually become I don't hate that. I will say, having watched Johnny over the last twelve months, his swing was different every month. And I think I've said this elsewhere, Like he'd have a toe tap one week, and then he'd have a drop step the next week, and then he'd have a hand hitch, and then he'd have what we call a wizard flick, which is where you kind of flick it into place and then drop it into the into the slot like Johnny would he sometimes he would take a big leg kick. Like he had a different swing every month, and I think it really it caused problems with him developing consistency and timing and being able to like go up to the plate with a plan. So in terms of like and another thing with Yelich was like when he was in high school, he could not hit a homer. He had the flattest line drive swing of anyone in that class. But everyone always said, like, this kid's got big bat speed, he's got big leverage, like long levers. He could eventually hit for power, and it took it took Yelich a long time. I mean, he wasn't a home run hitter until what was he twenty six at that point. I mean, he was a I could be wrong about this, but I think he was like an eight to twelve home run hitter a couple of years into his career and then it finally clicked. So that could be the route that you see Johnny Farmelo go. But with Yelich, he could always hit like he could always hit, and we were waiting for the power. It's kind of the opposite for Farmelo. Farmelo's got the bat speed, like he's got the power. Now we're just waiting for a consistent approach and kind of polishing up the rough edges. 00:53:47 Speaker 3: So is ty Pete's bat as good as advertised? 00:53:49 Speaker 2: If we're going to transition to our third guy here, there are people saying this is one of the best bats in the class, and the Mariners managed to get him at the end of the first round, So it seems like there's a lot to kind of love here. 00:54:01 Speaker 5: Another guy that just needs consistent reps. I mean, he had a. 00:54:04 Speaker 1: Really weird year. 00:54:05 Speaker 5: You know. He was a pitcher and a lot of people thought he was going to be a pitcher, and then he walked off the mound with an injury, and then it just became all about the bat, and he added weight, he added impact this past winter, and now he's a much more physical player. I think when you look at Typete, you do look at the power. Ty Pete's kind of got that, you know, big whippy bat swing from the left side. He really gets to the low pitch as well, a kind of a turn and burn type of a kid. I'll be interested to see. I do believe in the bat, but just like Farmelo, he's gonna have to develop some consistency and hitting. My question with Tye Pete is what are they gonna do with him on the diamond because does he have an arm injury? Can he handle shortstop? Will he get surgery so he can play shortstop? Can he play third base with the arm injury? Is he too big for second base? Like obviously he's an incredibly decorated athlete and he can do a lot of things. But where is he at physically and how is that going to hamstring him a little bit both at the plate and in the field. I think he's going to be a really fascinating guy to watch how he's deployed. 00:55:11 Speaker 1: There's no chance they put him back on the mound then, right, You. 00:55:15 Speaker 5: Never know I mean, I would think I don't know anything about ty Pete's injury. I do know that it was an arm injury. He walked off the mound, he didn't pitch again, So I don't know the status of you know, if it's his ucl, if it's just a forearm strain. I don't know where he's at. And so I think it'll be up to the Mariner's staff. They probably already know exactly what they're going to do with him, but it'll probably be up to them to decide whether or not he's physically capable of pitching, or they if they worry about him pitching and they're just going to sacrifice eighteen months of offensive development, you probably don't want to go down that route. I would just have him stick with the bat. 00:55:52 Speaker 1: Say his arm is healthy, then, like you said, the question could be thrown out there. Is he too big for second base? So then could he be a shortstop? Does he handle the position well enough? 00:56:03 Speaker 5: Yeah, he's a really good athlete. He's just a big kid, you know, He's just a really big kid. So he got Cole Emerson's the exact same way like he was when I interviewed Cole. He was one hundred and eighty pounds and when he came in in when I interviewed him again three months later, he was two hundred and five pounds and he looked like a buffalo. Like the kid just got so strong and so dense so quickly. That's kind of what TYPEE like, Type Pech just really filled out. Like he's a really physical looking kid now. So I don't know what they're gonna do with Pete. Like, I know that he's athletic enough to handle third base, there's no question about it. 00:56:39 Speaker 3: I just know. 00:56:39 Speaker 5: I just wonder if his arm is healthy enough to handle it right now, or if he's going to need surgery, if if he's gonna need it worked on. Like I said, I want to stress, I don't know where he's at medically with that arm. He could be at one hundred percent, but my guess would be because he was announced as a shortstop, he's just going to bat. I don't think he's gonna pitch. 00:56:59 Speaker 2: So is there I know you keep harping on you don't know. Is there any speculation that he could miss some actual time? 00:57:08 Speaker 1: No? 00:57:08 Speaker 5: Like, yeah, like I said, I don't even know, the only things that I know are you know, he walked off the mound under his own power with a clear arm injury. He didn't pitch again the rest of the year, and he focused on the bat And right now, that's kind of all I know. Usually I dig into those types of things a little bit. But between you and me, I mean, I didn't have Pete in the in the conversation where he is. I think I had him in the sixty to seventy range, just simply because of the question marks. But we'll just have to wait and see. I'm not sure anybody's really gonna know until these guys sign and maybe they get some complex work in. 00:57:43 Speaker 1: Let's transition to Ben Williamson here real quick. A bit of a money saving pick in the second round, a senior sign, but he really broke out this year. Didn't hit for much powers first three years of college, sloped over six sixty this past season at William and Mary a really intriguing profile. He did really well the Cape in high Enna's shout out you, Lyle. So, so what is there to like so much about Ben Williamson? 00:58:08 Speaker 3: Yeah? 00:58:08 Speaker 5: So with Ben, I think it's just he's a really mature, polished hitter, like I think mechanically, I don't want to take any wind out of this, out of the kid's sales. Mechanically, it is a little unique, like he's got the really high hands, and he drops him into the zone late, and he kind of chops at the ball a little bit, and he does have to catch like a breaking ball out in front to Homer. So I don't know if he's necessarily going to be the slugger that a lot of people kind of think he's going to be. I think he's more of a hitter and less of a slugger. But what people probably aren't talking about enough with Williamson is the glove. I think he is an above average defender at third base. He played a little bit of shortstop this year. He's a senior sign and he didn't get tested a ton at William and Mary just because of the of the conference that he was in. But like you said, he held his own at Hyennas, and I think Seattle has always taken a ton of emphasis in how these guys handle themselves with a wood bat. For my money, he's going to be just inside the top thirty, but he's probably gonna have a pretty good opportunity to shoot up boards pretty quickly. I'll be interested to see what they do with this swing. Maybe they don't touch it, maybe they want to tinker with it a little bit and try and get him into more of a power leveraged position. But for now, for me, he's more of a average to solid average hitter with potential for average power and an above average glove, which is a very very good player, just probably not the slugging archetype that his baseball card currently would project him to be. 00:59:37 Speaker 2: So does he project to be more like Hogan Windish than say Tyler Locklear. 00:59:43 Speaker 5: I actually, I don't think either one of those guys are terribly fair comparisons. Tyler Locklear is a slugger, and he's also a first baseman, and he's not a very good mover. And then Hogan Windish is exactly the same. Hogan Windish is a carbon copy of ty Franz being forced into second base. Still, so I don't think either one of those guys is necessarily a great call. I would say, man, like, who's a good example of an above average athlete at third base that Seattle has had in recent years? Like, I know he wasn't great here, but almost like how David Bell performed or Jeff Cirillo. Jeff Sorilla was much better in Milwaukee. But that type of a player, like a hit over power, but also a really good mover at the position. So you got to go back a little bit before you can find a third baseman that kind of represents what Williamson is or could be recently. Like he's not Seeger, he's not Beltray, he's not Suarez, he's not Ryan Healy, He's none of those guys. He's a better athlete than all those guys I listed. 01:00:45 Speaker 2: So why should people be so excited about Teddy McGraw because they got him in the third round. He's coming off an injury. But I know people are really excited about this pick. So what is there to love about McGrath? 01:00:56 Speaker 1: Yeah? 01:00:57 Speaker 5: I had Teddy McGraw a top thirty guy coming into the year as early as late January early February before the season started. But he goes down with his second UCL injury. I do want to sty it's not a second Tommy John. It was a UCL brace, so it's more of an eight or and nine month recovery, but it's still a UCL injury. So I think that's important to note listen this this spring before he got hurt. You know, he was ninety five, ninety six up to ninety eight with a massive sinking action and a slider that was up to ninety one. So I hope that he's able to come back to full strength. The second elbow injury is always a little bit concerning. But whenever you're talking about a guy that lives in the mid nineties and he's got an upper eighties slider and he's got a mid eighties change up that at least flashed at times three pitch mix, I think there's a potential for a starter here. Just kind of depends on how he comes back. I wouldn't expect him to pitch right out of the gate in twenty twenty four, Like this is a guy that has barely pitched in the last two years. Seattle has to ramp him up in a very unique way. I think so, And he's still recovering from the UCL surgery, So I would expect him to maybe spend the first month or so at the Arizona Complex League, and then once he's able to throw multi inning outings, maybe you see him head out and you know, take the Darren Bowen approach, approach where he's working two or three inning outings in modesto and hopefully, I mean the hope is by June or July of next year, you know, you maybe have Teddy McGrath throwing four or five inning outings, but I wouldn't expect a ton from him this year or this next year. Twenty twenty five would probably be the year where I'm like, all right, let's let's let him loose. See what it looks like over you know, eighty innings in the year. The Brian wu type of a thing. But interesting that Seattle targeted so extreme sinkerballers. He's gonna be something that Seattle hasn't had much of. 01:02:52 Speaker 1: I'm gonna follow up with you on those sinkerballers because we have a couple other to touch on before we wrap this up. But when I see Kendall Rogers eat out, there are people at wake Forest who thought this dude was better than Rhet Louder who went eight went eight seven. Yeah, Liken like wow, and he's sitting there al in the third round. 01:03:14 Speaker 5: The stuff is better. 01:03:15 Speaker 3: The stuff is bad. I mean. 01:03:16 Speaker 5: Rhet Louder was a ninety two to ninety four generic fastball. This is not a hit on Rhet Louder. He's one of the most polished college starting pitchers I've ever seen. But it was ninety two to ninety four with generic shape. The slider for Louder was eighty two to eighty four, touching eighty five with solid shape but fantastic command. And then the change up was plus. It was a fantastic change up. That being said, Rhet Louder was as successful as he was because he could pitch backwards. He could throw any pitch in any count and put it anywhere he wanted. Teddy McGrath's stuff is a halftick better in just about every area. But he never showed he hasn't had the ability to show command for those pitches yet. You never saw Red Louder throw a ninety mile an hour slider. You never saw Red Louder throw a ninety eight mile an hour sinker. So I think the upside for Teddy McGraw is there. And like you said in the third round, if he's healthy, even if he's a bullpen arm, it's a pretty explosive. 01:04:19 Speaker 1: Get what about these sinkerballers that you mentioned. That's the thing I think I took away when looking at the results for this Mariners draft. Just a couple other of these guys, I mean talk about just like stuff power sinkers. Brody Hopkins out of Winthrop in the sixth round, Ty Cummings out of Campbell in the seventh round, and then in the twelfth round Logan Evans out of Pit. All these guys have that in common. I mean they throw a tumbling whether it be two seamer or just straight up sinker that all profiles really well, with a lot of upside in their other pitches as well. Which of those guys really stands out the most to you? 01:04:58 Speaker 5: Well, I'll throw in two Ernie Day at Campbell, who I believe was like the Craig me from eleventh thirteenth round pick, Like somewhere in there at Ernie Day, he's the exact same way ninety two to ninety four with funk out of a short arm sinker and he's got the big slider like. And then Elijah Dale, who I think is more of a project, is the exact same thing. Like he throws really hard and he's got a huge slider. So they drafted like five or six of these guys. I don't I think it's interesting. If you look back at the Seattle Mariners over the last three or four years, their best relievers have been the Kendall Graveman's, the Andres Munos, the Justin Topa. This year, Paul Seawald is such an outlier that I won't bring him up, but I think they drafted a Paul sa Wald too. They've had a lot of success with these two seam guys, and so much so that they've added a two seamer to George Kirby's repertoire. So I don't know if it's a it's it sure seems like a purposeful approach to go for two seams sinker and big spin slider type guys. I don't know whether or not any of these guys are going to be starting pitchers. My gut would say they're gonna try Brody Hopkins as a starter, just because he's such a fantastic athlete. But the other guys might just be quick moving, high velocity two pitch guys, which those guys. I was telling another guy this earlier today. I said, if you can just draft only these types of players and it avoids you the need to go spend eighteen million dollars on Joaquin Benoit or you know a player like that, like spend money on the reliever market. That's a pretty good approach to any given draft. 01:06:43 Speaker 2: Before we wrap this up, Joe, you've touched on so many guys here already. Is there anybody that you really like that either we have not brought up yet or that was drafted much later that nobody in general is talking about. Where you circle them and say this is somebody people should keep an eye on. 01:06:59 Speaker 5: Well, I mean, the first guy that comes in mind is definitely Brody Hopkins. Let me just pull up my notes here, but I personally had Brody Hopkins as a third rounder in this class. He went in the sixth. He was on the mount rushmore of the best athletes that I watched in this entire draft class. Watched him play center field a four Winthrop. I watched him jump over a catcher and score on an infield single. He leaped over the guy and scored as for an infield on an infield single. I watched him touch ninety nine on the mound. I watched him throw a ninety mile an hour slider on the mound. He moves like Matt Brash. I mean, it's a really insane operation. In a private workout with another team, he ran the forty yard dash and did a backflip dismount at the end of it for absolutely no reason. I don't know why he would do that, but he just did that. So I don't know what Brody Hopkins is going to be. He's got to throw more strikes, but I think he's so green that Seattle's probably going to try and keep him in the rotation and just see if it's like the twenty twenty one Matt Brash approach. Very different pitchers, very different stuff. But Matt Brash in twenty twenty one was a starter, unbelievable athlete, still is, but they just started him because we think this guy could be something incredible. Now, Matt Brash never ironed out the command to the point where he was able to obviously start, as we've seen that. But I think you're going to see something similar from Hopkins. Like he's probably going to go out throw five innings, walk four or five people. He's not going to post the strikeouts unless he switches to primarily throwing the slider. If he just sticks with throwing ninety nine to one hundred he's not going to have the strikeouts that Matt Brash did. But if this guy, and I'll say this on this show, if Brody Hopkins moves to the bullpen, he's going to be throwing ninety nine to one hundred and one mile an hour sinkers with ninety mile an hour sliders, and they're going to be more explosive and like insane looking than what Andre's munosers. The thing that makes Andre's munos so hard to hit is his two pitches don't move a lot, but they tunnel very very very long, very late, so nobody can hit that slider. This is going to be like more like Dustin May like boring, like boring action, like a foot and a half into the righty's knuckles, a foot and a half slider sweepers like it's gonna be pretty outrageous stuff. And that's not to like totally hype the k up because he's got a long waist to go, but they're just quite simply, were not a lot of players that I watched this year that could do that could single handedly do what Brody Hopkins can do. So he's my favorite player in this class, and I think he's an unbelievable athlete. 01:09:50 Speaker 1: You can follow Joe on Twitter at Joe Doyle m I LB. No one breaks down the draft better than Joe, who was great meeting you this week. Joe is great having the festivities here in Seattle this weekend. We get everyone nationally together to watch some amazing festivities. The draft was very entertaining, the derby was, and the game was as well, and it was overall great. So Joe, we really appreciate you hopping on with us and recapping this draft. It's exciting and we're looking forward to watching these guys play. 01:10:19 Speaker 5: All Right, guys, I appreciate being on your show again and I appreciated meeting both of you. You're both very, very nice, and thank you for the continued support, and I hope to see her on more. 01:10:31 Speaker 2: Hope you enjoyed that conversation with Joe Doyle, and hope you learned a little bit more about the Mariners draft class. It's an exciting group of guys. There were some picks later in the draft that are really really exciting, and the Mariners are high on Joe Doyle is high on and as a result, you should all be high on and start following these guys as they make their way through the minors. So we appreciate the time with Joe, love the conversation, and we're excited to see some of these players start to get rolling with that. That'll just about wrap up this edition of the Marine Layer Pie Cast. You guys know the drill. 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