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00:00 --> 00:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to episode number 396 of the Marine Lairer podcast.
00:03 --> 00:07 [SPEAKER_01]: We welcome on our friend and recurring guest Peter Apple of just baseball.
00:07 --> 00:10 [SPEAKER_01]: We talk about the start of the 2026 Mariners season.
00:10 --> 00:14 [SPEAKER_01]: What the Mariners should do with the rotation going forward and a whole lot more.
00:14 --> 00:17 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll also react to the Mariners splitting the first two games in Minnesota.
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01:07 --> 01:15 [SPEAKER_01]: And we welcome you to the episode of the Marine Lair podcast part of the just baseball podcast network recording here on Tuesday evening April 28.
01:15 --> 01:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me know if you've heard this one before a while.
01:18 --> 01:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Mariners lose to left-handed pitcher, Mariners beat right-handed pitcher.
01:25 --> 01:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Shouldn't logic say the other, it should have happened the other way around because it should have despite the Mariners struggling against lefties all year so far.
01:35 --> 01:44 [SPEAKER_00]: you lose and get in a way carved up by a dude making a second ever big league star who's not some blue chip prospect and then you beat Joe Ryan.
01:45 --> 01:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Dude, baseball's so dumb in that way.
01:48 --> 01:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Doesn't make any sense.
01:49 --> 01:50 [SPEAKER_00]: It's dumb.
01:51 --> 01:53 [SPEAKER_00]: There's no logic, but that's how it happens.
01:53 --> 01:57 [SPEAKER_01]: The baseball gods have just not intended the Mariners to be good against left-hand pitchers.
01:57 --> 01:58 [SPEAKER_01]: No matter the stature.
01:59 --> 02:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Apparently just Matthew Libertor.
02:04 --> 02:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Really really good righty and even really beat Joe Ryan they scored the two runs when he was out of the game
02:11 --> 02:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they did.
02:12 --> 02:14 [SPEAKER_00]: He has really tough to go against, man.
02:14 --> 02:25 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you want to know what it looks like for the opposition to go up against Brian Wu, I think it's a pretty similar when the Mariners have to see Joe Ryan, or other teams have to see Joe Ryan, because that's the same low slot.
02:25 --> 02:27 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the same high rise on the fastball.
02:27 --> 02:35 [SPEAKER_00]: If you want to sound smart with your baseball friends, what they call it inside the baseball club houses is Upshoot, when you have the fastball rise, they call it the Upshoot fastball.
02:35 --> 02:37 [SPEAKER_00]: They say the rise is Upshoot.
02:37 --> 02:42 [SPEAKER_00]: But yes, Joe Ryan's really hard to go against, and then he's got secondaries that are just nuts.
02:42 --> 02:43 [SPEAKER_00]: But the Mariners, you know what?
02:43 --> 02:48 [SPEAKER_00]: They scratch enough across against them to then get to the bullpen and hammer the bullpen.
02:48 --> 02:50 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was amazing to see from the bullpen.
02:50 --> 02:53 [SPEAKER_01]: We saw a number of things like late in this game.
02:53 --> 03:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Number one, for the, a seemingly the first time this season, we saw Dan leave Luke Rayleigh in against the lefty.
03:01 --> 03:06 [SPEAKER_01]: The twins brought a lefty in, specifically against Luke Rayleigh.
03:06 --> 03:08 [SPEAKER_01]: and Dan left him in the game.
03:08 --> 03:19 [SPEAKER_01]: It, it, Luke Rayleigh didn't do any damage because Luke can't really hit lefties, but the mariner's still ended up scoring, and then Rayleigh came around again in the lineup later in the game and hit against the righty.
03:20 --> 03:26 [SPEAKER_01]: So that, this is an example right here, while didn't like work out in that specific ad bat for Luke Rayleigh.
03:26 --> 03:34 [SPEAKER_01]: He did get an opportunity and ending later against the righty in a situation with runners on, unfortunately he just struck out in that opportunity.
03:35 --> 03:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Evolution.
03:36 --> 03:42 [SPEAKER_01]: perhaps has then been radicalized next on undisputed that's a great question.
03:42 --> 04:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope someone asks him about it tomorrow we'll see that'd be great the awesome the funny thing about that whole inning though they put a lefty in the face Luke Rayleigh Rayleigh doesn't get the job done Dan pinch it's Mitch Garver for canned zone who's sitting right after Rayleigh and then lefty Cole Young comes up against the go ahead hit left on left
04:04 --> 04:06 [SPEAKER_00]: But that's just been coal-yongs ammo all year.
04:07 --> 04:08 [SPEAKER_00]: He's a no-problems against lefties.
04:08 --> 04:10 [SPEAKER_00]: He's destroyed lefties so far.
04:11 --> 04:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Doots become the most platoon-safe player on the whole roster.
04:15 --> 04:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Again.
04:17 --> 04:19 [SPEAKER_00]: We thought Cole Young was gonna take a jump this year.
04:19 --> 04:20 [SPEAKER_00]: And he absolutely has.
04:21 --> 04:24 [SPEAKER_00]: But he is doing things among his own game.
04:24 --> 04:26 [SPEAKER_00]: That I don't think we had in our bingo card.
04:26 --> 04:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think most people had in our bingo card.
04:28 --> 04:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think we had them being one of the best defenders in baseball.
04:31 --> 04:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think we had them crushing lefties.
04:33 --> 04:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think we had him being a better platoon than half the roster or a better platoon safe bat than half the roster.
04:40 --> 04:41 [SPEAKER_00]: It's been great.
04:41 --> 04:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Cole Young's been awesome.
04:42 --> 04:47 [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't need some right hander to come in form on days and hit lefties.
04:47 --> 05:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Makes a lot easier because if that was the case while this roster would be in a tough tough place, but instead colliding at three hits tonight, he's doing everything you would want as a second baseman, walking enough, heading for enough average, playing sparkling defense and producing against both lefties and righties for a 22 year old, which by the way speaking of Cole Young, did you see that image they put on the screen today?
05:14 --> 05:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Dude, I have never, I still consider myself young at this point.
05:18 --> 05:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I have never felt more old watching that.
05:21 --> 05:35 [SPEAKER_01]: They had, if you weren't watching the game today, they had the pitch hit and run, and we'll be his pitch hit and run before the all-star game in 2014 at Target Field, a game that Felix started, by the way, that everyone remembers.
05:36 --> 05:43 [SPEAKER_01]: They had video of Cole Young at that event hitting in the box, and he looks, he's a fucking child.
05:44 --> 05:54 [SPEAKER_00]: This is the first time I actually feel old so Cole would have been what you got to use a track use well Yeah, it's a track 12 you're Jay was 10 dude.
05:54 --> 05:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I remember 2014 pretty well.
05:56 --> 05:57 [SPEAKER_00]: That was the year they signed Robbie.
05:57 --> 05:57 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah
05:58 --> 06:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like I was young then too, but like I clearly remember the game.
06:02 --> 06:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I Robinson can know maybe all star game for the Mariners feel like started.
06:07 --> 06:09 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners played really well.
06:09 --> 06:11 [SPEAKER_01]: That your Kyle Seeger made that all star game as well.
06:11 --> 06:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there were crystal clear in my mind.
06:13 --> 06:16 [SPEAKER_01]: What the hell young is out there as like a tot like a borderline toddler?
06:17 --> 06:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Wasn't that Geter's last year?
06:19 --> 06:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Was that his last all-star game?
06:20 --> 06:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Because when Wayne Wright grew him a fastball right down the middle so he'd get a base hit.
06:25 --> 06:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And he said he did it on purpose, too.
06:26 --> 06:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that's what I'm remembering.
06:28 --> 06:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
06:29 --> 06:33 [SPEAKER_00]: So it was that all-star game, which clearly you and I are recalling with no issues.
06:33 --> 06:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Cole Young's 10 in that, that's crazy.
06:38 --> 06:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Now to be fair in our defense, that all-star game was probably one of the five best Mariners moments of the 2010s.
06:44 --> 06:45 [SPEAKER_01]: So.
06:46 --> 06:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Why could Felix start it?
06:47 --> 06:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because Felix started and you had a shiny star toy hitting in the middle of the line up in Robinson, can I?
06:53 --> 06:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Because the Mariners in the 2010s really didn't do anything else.
06:56 --> 06:58 [SPEAKER_01]: So that was pretty cool.
06:58 --> 07:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, what were the moments if you're gonna rank him out, Rushmore, signing Robby, signing Nelson Cruz, Felix in the all star game, and game 161 of 2014?
07:06 --> 07:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
07:10 --> 07:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
07:11 --> 07:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there was also the 2018 All-Star game where Jean Sagarai hit the homer late and it seemed like he was going to win MVP of the All-Star game and Nelly freaked out and Meredith fans were loving it and then Eddie blew it.
07:22 --> 07:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
07:25 --> 07:36 [SPEAKER_01]: That's up there, too, but I think the 2014 game is remembered a little bit more positively because they didn't blow it and Felix didn't give up a home-runged scooter-genet.
07:37 --> 07:39 [SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, no, he did not.
07:39 --> 07:46 [SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, seeing that video of Cole Young, I mean, I've never felt old until today, now I feel old.
07:48 --> 07:49 [SPEAKER_00]: How about that?
07:51 --> 07:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Amazing, incredible.
07:54 --> 08:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, well, I'm glad they found a way they found a way to split these first couple of games because you don't want to lose all that momentum after getting a sweep.
08:01 --> 08:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Now at the very least, even if they lose on Wednesday, and I hope they find a way to win, but you at least have won four of six on this road trip, and one way or another, you can come home feeling pretty damn good.
08:11 --> 08:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I would I said at the start, I'd like to see him go five and one against these two teams because these two teams have not or not world beaters.
08:18 --> 08:18 [SPEAKER_00]: We know them.
08:18 --> 08:18 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
08:18 --> 08:19 [SPEAKER_00]: You guys all listen.
08:19 --> 08:20 [SPEAKER_00]: No that.
08:20 --> 08:21 [SPEAKER_00]: So five won't be great.
08:22 --> 08:24 [SPEAKER_00]: But you can't complain about a four and two row trips.
08:24 --> 08:25 [SPEAKER_00]: So they have a four and two row trip.
08:26 --> 08:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
08:26 --> 08:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Great.
08:26 --> 08:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Especially given the road performance before and on the mailback last week, we said four and two would be great.
08:32 --> 08:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you said two.
08:32 --> 08:33 [SPEAKER_01]: You said two.
08:33 --> 08:34 [SPEAKER_01]: You said win go to series.
08:35 --> 08:36 [SPEAKER_01]: You said four and two.
08:36 --> 08:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I said five one.
08:37 --> 08:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, the standard was on the floor.
08:40 --> 08:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully they went, hopefully they went tomorrow and it's five and one.
08:42 --> 08:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Because then everyone will feel a whole lot better.
08:45 --> 08:49 [SPEAKER_01]: The vibes couldn't have felt worse if we had hypothetically recorded this podcast on Monday night.
08:49 --> 08:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Bives her terrible on Monday night.
08:51 --> 08:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's what we're going to get to here before we get into the conversation on Peter.
08:54 --> 08:55 [SPEAKER_00]: We are.
08:55 --> 08:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I will say one thing before we get into Monday's conversation.
08:59 --> 09:00 [SPEAKER_00]: We haven't seen our guy yet in this series.
09:00 --> 09:01 [SPEAKER_00]: We haven't seen Topa.
09:02 --> 09:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Now is he healthy?
09:04 --> 09:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
09:04 --> 09:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's on the roster.
09:05 --> 09:06 [SPEAKER_00]: He's healthy.
09:07 --> 09:09 [SPEAKER_01]: But he hasn't pitched because you've had two different situations.
09:09 --> 09:13 [SPEAKER_01]: You had a close game today, you had to blow out yesterday.
09:13 --> 09:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I would have assumed that just means he's going to pitch tomorrow.
09:17 --> 09:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Probably, yeah.
09:19 --> 09:20 [SPEAKER_00]: We talked about it before.
09:20 --> 09:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we've talked about it in past win series since he's been a part of that team.
09:24 --> 09:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I love Justin Topenman and I say I mean this podcast he's we've talked about a lot of dudes in the bucket of one of the nicest guys in baseball, Topen's in that bucket.
09:33 --> 09:33 [SPEAKER_01]: The man.
09:33 --> 09:38 [SPEAKER_01]: One of the first podcast guests that we ever had always great to interact with at the ballpark.
09:39 --> 09:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's amazing.
09:41 --> 09:42 [SPEAKER_00]: He's a huge card collector.
09:42 --> 09:44 [SPEAKER_00]: He's just a big baseball fan and a big sports fan.
09:44 --> 09:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, at Topen's awesome.
09:45 --> 09:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean one of the guys that you are truly bummed when he gets traded off the roster.
09:50 --> 09:50 [SPEAKER_01]: right.
09:51 --> 09:53 [SPEAKER_00]: When Polanco got traded for a couple of years ago, we were hyped.
09:54 --> 09:56 [SPEAKER_00]: We didn't know it was coming back in the trade.
09:56 --> 10:01 [SPEAKER_00]: So at first we're just all fired up to get Polanco and then when we saw it was top of back, we were genuinely sad.
10:01 --> 10:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Really sad.
10:03 --> 10:06 [SPEAKER_00]: We like we said, it was the right trade, but we were sad.
10:08 --> 10:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully, again, hopefully he is able to string together a full healthy season and show the world what he can do again because he did that in 23 as a mariner since then it's not been as smooth sailing.
10:18 --> 10:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he was he was solid last year.
10:20 --> 10:28 [SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't the same as he was in in 23 by any stretch, but he put up at 390 ERA last year at 390 and then at a fifth of 304.
10:28 --> 10:32 [SPEAKER_00]: He was he was a contributor last year, but yes, he was not like 23.
10:32 --> 10:34 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, yeah.
10:35 --> 10:36 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, you know what?
10:37 --> 10:58 [SPEAKER_00]: what's funny while he leads the league in appearances this year oh so then he must have just gotten a couple days off they'll probably bet the most of yeah he must have just pitched over the weekend he's appeared in 16 games so far this season again good for top of love the guy and glad he's healthy glad he's staying on the field and glad he's pitching well it's good yeah it's awesome for him
10:59 --> 11:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Monday's storyline, and it's the biggest story in Mariners land right now.
11:02 --> 11:10 [SPEAKER_00]: We get into a bunch of it with Peter, so we won't spend a ton of time on it, but we wanted to just dive into it for a couple minutes before we get to our conversation with Peter.
11:11 --> 11:14 [SPEAKER_00]: What are they going to do about this rotation, man?
11:15 --> 11:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Bryce Miller's on the doorstep, and coming back.
11:17 --> 11:21 [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to happen in the next couple weeks here, and every time through the rotation,
11:22 --> 11:26 [SPEAKER_00]: The conversation grows louder and louder and louder.
11:26 --> 11:30 [SPEAKER_00]: About what you're going to do with Luis Castillo versus Emerson Hancock.
11:31 --> 11:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Lucky for us, I guess, and for the Mariners, I mean, this is a discussion point amongst all the talking heads.
11:38 --> 11:44 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not just us, it's not just the podcasts, it's not just, you know, reactionary stuff.
11:45 --> 11:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone is talking about what you're doing with Luis Casio.
11:48 --> 11:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And Luis, if he has more of the starts like he had on Monday, it's a really easy decision.
11:55 --> 12:02 [SPEAKER_01]: because the Louis Castillo we saw on Monday night was a shell of the best version of Louis Castillo we've seen.
12:02 --> 12:10 [SPEAKER_01]: It had already been trending down, but when Louis is averaging under 94 miles an hour in his fastball for an entire night, that's not Louis Castillo.
12:11 --> 12:12 [SPEAKER_01]: You talked about it on a rocket's office morning.
12:13 --> 12:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Not he had been losing some of the feel on his off-speed pitches and his breaking balls for a while now, but he's always had a fastball.
12:21 --> 12:24 [SPEAKER_01]: When you're averaging under 94 miles an hour for your fastball,
12:25 --> 12:45 [SPEAKER_01]: just it just screams this is not you you can't be as effective if you're not throwing the baseball hard and when we showed that yesterday right and he got knocked around and the twin scored seven runs and it just did not look good and you're goldies sand on the broadcast well he's cast you got through five did not have a good night
12:45 --> 12:53 [SPEAKER_01]: That's I don't know how else you can say it and if he's you know if he's running out a couple other starts like that I mean it's pretty it would be a pretty easy.
12:53 --> 13:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, you're hitting the IL with arm fatigue I mean you could spin it how dance fun it in the post game where it's like well I like the way Luis Castillo battled back in the fifth inning that was legitimately what he said post game Monday It's like well he got sheld.
13:08 --> 13:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think there's much battling back in the fifth inning like
13:13 --> 13:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Ah, yeah.
13:14 --> 13:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, if he finished five innings, what our bullpen was spent, and yeah, he had to wear it.
13:20 --> 13:26 [SPEAKER_01]: This is a different situation where the bullpen was fully rusted, I mean, Castillo could have been out there at other in the fourth inning, or the third.
13:29 --> 13:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Dan's not going to give anybody much in any of these pre-game or post-game sessions he never ever does.
13:34 --> 13:38 [SPEAKER_00]: So let us just do our own post-game press conference and put a quote out for you.
13:39 --> 13:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Luis Castillo was not good on Monday.
13:41 --> 13:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Didn't have it.
13:42 --> 13:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Stuff was bad.
13:43 --> 13:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Got knocked around.
13:44 --> 13:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Dan's not going to say that, but we'll say it.
13:48 --> 13:50 [SPEAKER_01]: The conversation, I don't know if it's changed that much.
13:50 --> 13:54 [SPEAKER_01]: It just sort of reassures what people think about this situation.
13:54 --> 13:56 [SPEAKER_01]: It's probably convincing me a little bit more.
13:56 --> 14:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I was a little bit more hesitant of the two of us of making this kind of decision.
14:03 --> 14:06 [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know how you make anything else but like an Isle Stint out of this.
14:07 --> 14:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Because again, this is not something you could just undo if you make a decision to put them in the bullpen.
14:12 --> 14:13 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not that easy.
14:13 --> 14:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And Luis, unlike an Emerson Hancock or a young pitcher,
14:17 --> 14:19 [SPEAKER_01]: He has a lot more say in things.
14:20 --> 14:20 [SPEAKER_01]: He makes a lot of money.
14:21 --> 14:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Players gravitate towards them in the clubhouse.
14:24 --> 14:26 [SPEAKER_01]: So you've got to think about making a decision like that.
14:27 --> 14:29 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to make much of a decision if you put them on the I.L.
14:29 --> 14:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Because then he could just rest.
14:31 --> 14:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And the Mariners can give themselves more time to think about what to do with this roster spot.
14:37 --> 14:40 [SPEAKER_00]: It seems like the only viable option to me at this point.
14:40 --> 14:45 [SPEAKER_00]: It seems like the most logical and it seems like the viable one because we've talked about it already.
14:46 --> 14:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Putting them in the bullpen right now is not a good idea because at some point, you're probably going to need them to start more games this year.
14:53 --> 14:58 [SPEAKER_00]: The unfortunate reality of baseball is injuries happen and they happen in rotations a lot.
14:58 --> 15:02 [SPEAKER_00]: And if that's the case, you need a long,
15:02 --> 15:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe not a long list of starters, but you need depth in your rotation of guys either in the miners or guys that are sick starters, guys that can go make a handful of starts throughout a year.
15:12 --> 15:14 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what ever say Hancock was doing for the last couple of years.
15:15 --> 15:21 [SPEAKER_00]: You need depth and to put Luis Castillo in the bullpen right now, might
15:22 --> 15:24 [SPEAKER_00]: slash his ability to go start more games.
15:25 --> 15:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Cause then he'd be working on a much shorter leash.
15:28 --> 15:29 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not getting built up as much.
15:29 --> 15:30 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not getting stretched out.
15:30 --> 15:35 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a hard thing to go from rotation to bullpen, back to rotation in the middle of the year.
15:36 --> 15:40 [SPEAKER_00]: And it also would be a tough conversation to have with Luis already in late April, early May.
15:40 --> 15:49 [SPEAKER_00]: And say, hey, you've got this year and next year left on your deal, your owed $23 million plus dollars, each of the next two seasons, but you're going to the bullpen.
15:50 --> 15:53 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a hard conversation to have with your clubhouse and with the player.
15:54 --> 15:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Doing the fan of my Elstent really avoids all this.
15:57 --> 16:01 [SPEAKER_00]: It buys you time, it can let Louise rest, it can let them work on a lot of things in the bullpen.
16:02 --> 16:05 [SPEAKER_00]: If somebody else gets injured, you can slot them back in if he's ready.
16:06 --> 16:12 [SPEAKER_00]: And if nobody else gets injured, then you have some time to buy, you have a handful of weeks.
16:12 --> 16:15 [SPEAKER_00]: And in the middle of the summer, you can figure this thing out.
16:15 --> 16:20 [SPEAKER_00]: If by July, you think you need to move them to the bullpen, that's a lot different than late April or May.
16:21 --> 16:23 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think for now, it is the most viable option.
16:23 --> 16:25 [SPEAKER_00]: It makes the most sense in the world.
16:25 --> 16:27 [SPEAKER_00]: The mariners are not going to say they're going to fan of my album.
16:27 --> 16:29 [SPEAKER_00]: A team can't do that, or they're going to get penalized.
16:30 --> 16:30 [SPEAKER_00]: But
16:31 --> 16:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I think in the next couple weeks, you'll hear about Louisa's lats, buggin' him or he's got his hammy that's barkin' or he's got to, yeah, arm fatigue, they'll put something out there for why he's got to go on the shelf.
16:46 --> 16:47 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll say we'll see.
16:47 --> 16:50 [SPEAKER_01]: We did talk about this a little bit with Peter as well.
16:50 --> 16:56 [SPEAKER_01]: He's not tradable really because of the contract So people coming to us with that suggestion.
16:56 --> 17:10 [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't it doesn't feel like that is Something that would happen given the amount of money he is owed and how he is performing could get surprised But with the amount of money he's getting paid the Mariners would I have to either eat a lot of it
17:10 --> 17:15 [SPEAKER_01]: or you'd have to send prospects with him to get a team to take that kind of contract.
17:15 --> 17:16 [SPEAKER_00]: And we can get into that a little more.
17:16 --> 17:17 [SPEAKER_00]: We talked to Peter.
17:17 --> 17:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I will say the one other thing I was going to mention is, because I was curious about what's going on with Luis and both of us were curious.
17:25 --> 17:47 [SPEAKER_00]: we reach out to our friend Jason Churchill and we said so what do you make of this because church was doing some tweeting about it the other night where he was saying Louis stuff just looks way down it just doesn't look the same it's not effective and we said what do you think it is because church really knows ball as you guys know and he's pretty well connected so I was curious what he was taking from all this and he said
17:47 --> 17:49 [SPEAKER_00]: the fastball doesn't have the rise anymore.
17:49 --> 17:51 [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't have the upshoot that it once did.
17:52 --> 17:55 [SPEAKER_00]: The slider is not breaking horizontally the way at once did.
17:55 --> 17:56 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just across the board.
17:57 --> 18:01 [SPEAKER_00]: The actual movement of the pitches and the effect of the pitches is just way down.
18:02 --> 18:03 [SPEAKER_00]: And I thank you for it.
18:03 --> 18:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, church is a smart guy.
18:06 --> 18:08 [SPEAKER_01]: The one last thing I wanted to mention about Castillo.
18:08 --> 18:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think we talk about this with Peter at all.
18:09 --> 18:14 [SPEAKER_01]: So he's got a vesting option in 2028 and to hit that vesting option in 2027.
18:14 --> 18:16 [SPEAKER_01]: He's so
18:17 --> 18:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Mariners are not going to let him throw 180 innings, no, no, they won't, I don't know how they're going to manage that, whether he's in the rotation or the bullpen or however that works out, next year is going to be a discussion in of itself.
18:30 --> 18:35 [SPEAKER_01]: If you have Cade Ready, you have all these starters and then you have Luis Castillo who's not pitching well.
18:36 --> 18:37 [SPEAKER_00]: put in one more factor there.
18:38 --> 18:40 [SPEAKER_00]: You got to put Ryan Sloan in there for 27.
18:40 --> 18:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, Ryan Sloan could be in the rotation at some point of 2027, but not not an opening day of 27.
18:47 --> 18:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it depends how the rest of his season goes, but I don't know how Luis Castillo factors into all that next year.
18:55 --> 18:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Cause come next year, you're gonna have
18:58 --> 19:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Logan, you're going to have Kirby, you're going to have Wu, you're going to have Bryce Miller, you're going to have Emerson Hancock, that's five.
19:05 --> 19:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Kate Anderson would be six, Ryan Sloan is seven, and then when our guy Logan Evans comes back from Tommy John, if you want to talk about more starting pitcher depth, that's eight, and all those guys are a hell of a lot cheaper than Louise Castillo.
19:17 --> 19:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know where he factors in for 2027.
19:19 --> 19:28 [SPEAKER_00]: That's going to be a very interesting conversation come this off season.
19:30 --> 19:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the Mariners might have to trade, I mean, they might try and trade Castillo, but they could also trade one of their other starters, too.
19:37 --> 19:44 [SPEAKER_00]: They think they're gonna get very interesting in the next calendar year, because it's a very good problem to have, but you do have to solve problems eventually.
19:45 --> 19:48 [SPEAKER_01]: We talk about this in a whole lot more of our friend Peter Apple.
19:48 --> 19:49 [SPEAKER_01]: He knows his ball.
19:49 --> 19:56 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're not listening to the just baseball show that's a great way to up your knowledge about the rest of Major League Baseball.
19:56 --> 20:01 [SPEAKER_01]: They do a great job on their website, just baseball.com, all their social media channels.
20:01 --> 20:05 [SPEAKER_01]: They are great partners to us here at the Marine Lair pod cast.
20:05 --> 20:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's been a bit since we've had Peter on.
20:07 --> 20:10 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's good to get a new fresh perspective from them.
20:11 --> 20:14 [SPEAKER_00]: you guys, I listen to the just baseball show all the time.
20:14 --> 20:30 [SPEAKER_00]: When I'm driving into Brock and Salk in the mornings or when I'm in the car, I'm usually listening to them because for as much baseball as we watch, it's hard to watch all 30 teams all the time and I obviously want to be very, very on top of what's going around the league, going on around the league constantly.
20:31 --> 20:37 [SPEAKER_00]: those guys and we're not just saying this because we're partnered up with them, they do a just unbelievable job.
20:37 --> 20:37 [SPEAKER_00]: They're fun.
20:38 --> 20:38 [SPEAKER_00]: They're energetic.
20:38 --> 20:41 [SPEAKER_00]: You're going to hear a bunch of it from Peter during this interview, but they're informative.
20:42 --> 20:43 [SPEAKER_00]: They know their stuff.
20:43 --> 20:45 [SPEAKER_00]: They use new age metrics.
20:45 --> 20:47 [SPEAKER_00]: They use old school metrics.
20:47 --> 20:52 [SPEAKER_00]: They, I mean, it's just a perfectly well blended national baseball podcast.
20:52 --> 20:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Something that's very hard to find these days in the baseball space, I think.
20:55 --> 20:57 [SPEAKER_00]: There's not a ton of great ones out there, and they are one of them.
20:58 --> 20:59 [SPEAKER_00]: And to have Peter on,
21:00 --> 21:00 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a blast.
21:00 --> 21:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, he's got opinions.
21:02 --> 21:03 [SPEAKER_00]: He's got facts.
21:03 --> 21:04 [SPEAKER_00]: He knows his stuff.
21:04 --> 21:05 [SPEAKER_00]: He's got energy.
21:05 --> 21:07 [SPEAKER_00]: He's a great guest and you guys are going to hear it.
21:08 --> 21:09 [SPEAKER_01]: We won't keep you guys any longer.
21:09 --> 21:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's get you to interview with Peter Apple.
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22:17 --> 22:23 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, we got our friend Peter Apple on with us co-founder of Just Baseball and host of The Just Baseball Show.
22:24 --> 22:26 [SPEAKER_01]: You've probably seen his face on TikTok at some point, Peter.
22:27 --> 22:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for taking some time to join us.
22:28 --> 22:30 [SPEAKER_01]: How are things in the Just Baseball world?
22:30 --> 22:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Going great, social media is on the rise.
22:33 --> 22:34 [SPEAKER_02]: The website's doing well.
22:34 --> 22:36 [SPEAKER_02]: The podcast has been a ton of fun.
22:36 --> 22:38 [SPEAKER_02]: And we have you guys on the network.
22:38 --> 22:39 [SPEAKER_02]: So how can things be fun?
22:39 --> 22:42 [SPEAKER_02]: That's a good, great decision by you guys.
22:42 --> 22:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I agree.
22:43 --> 22:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I agree.
22:44 --> 22:45 [SPEAKER_00]: You guys don't know.
22:45 --> 22:48 [SPEAKER_00]: We've kind of brought, have we not brought the credibility of just baseball down?
22:48 --> 22:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I would say, yeah.
22:49 --> 22:50 [SPEAKER_02]: No, Jack does that.
22:50 --> 22:52 [SPEAKER_02]: He's already brought it all the way down to the floor.
22:52 --> 22:55 [SPEAKER_02]: So you guys are raising our floor if you can believe it.
22:56 --> 23:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I know I ask you this every time you have it on, but how cool is it to just see the continued growth of something you've like built on your own?
23:02 --> 23:12 [SPEAKER_01]: You and others have built up from nothing to being an incredibly successful media brand that you just get to talk about baseball for a living.
23:12 --> 23:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I appreciate the kind words, it's weird because there's one part of my brain that doesn't want to pay attention to it at all because it's almost like get up and work every single day and don't worry about all that stuff, don't let it get to your head.
23:25 --> 23:36 [SPEAKER_02]: But at the same time, you know, my mom told me this, like stop and smell the roses a little bit and, you know, just see the continued growth throughout everything that we do.
23:36 --> 23:53 [SPEAKER_02]: has been amazing you know and it's just it's so cool to see a thought that we had during COVID sprout into what it is now like if you told me four and a half five years ago that we'd be here I told you you'd be crazy right when I was working for the Yankees in season ticket sales
23:53 --> 24:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Trying to sell season tickets during a pandemic, calling people up and be like, are you going to come out to the stadium next season and they say are we going to have a season and I say well, maybe you just said in selling season tickets it was rock bottom it felt like for me so to just have the idea when everyone was inside and then just kind of jump at it and to see where it is now it's been really awesome.
24:17 --> 24:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Is it ever crazy to think about the fact that your thoughts and Jack and Arms thoughts legitimately get sent in group chats around the country or sent in your guys' discord chat?
24:26 --> 24:29 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, and it starts a conversation with in random friend groups.
24:29 --> 24:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh, Peter said this and made this point.
24:32 --> 24:33 [SPEAKER_00]: And that just gets people going.
24:33 --> 24:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, does that ever resonate with you?
24:35 --> 24:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of, you know, it's funny, that's like my dream.
24:38 --> 24:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, the reason I wanted to start this was because I really like talking baseball with people.
24:42 --> 24:47 [SPEAKER_02]: That's really the crux of what I want.
24:47 --> 24:49 [SPEAKER_02]: and a conversation comes out of that.
24:50 --> 24:51 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the best.
24:51 --> 24:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Even if you disagree with me, right?
24:53 --> 24:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Because sports is kind of about disagreeing, right?
24:57 --> 24:59 [SPEAKER_02]: What are the biggest sports shows in the world?
24:59 --> 25:02 [SPEAKER_02]: It's one where you got one host disagreeing with another host.
25:02 --> 25:05 [SPEAKER_02]: So the mean comments are anything like that.
25:05 --> 25:10 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, you take them with a great assault because at the end of the day, we all of our own takes about baseball.
25:10 --> 25:16 [SPEAKER_02]: So to see one of mine grow into something somewhere else, I think it's the coolest thing ever.
25:17 --> 25:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's get into some talk about the Mariners, cause that's why you're here Peter.
25:20 --> 25:25 [SPEAKER_01]: You're the third biggest Mariners fan on this podcast behind Lyle and I, so we have to get your thoughts on this.
25:25 --> 25:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
25:26 --> 25:27 [SPEAKER_01]: To start off here, let me, let's do this.
25:28 --> 25:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Can you give me a green flag and a red flag for what you see with the Mariners so far this season?
25:35 --> 25:40 [SPEAKER_01]: a green flag or a red flag about the, about the coal team, the green flag and a red flag.
25:40 --> 25:41 [SPEAKER_01]: You can pick anything you want.
25:41 --> 25:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I think a green flag would be
25:48 --> 25:49 [SPEAKER_02]: how good the bullpen looks.
25:50 --> 26:03 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think going we knew that the bullpen would look good and I know Moon Yoast has not gotten off to the best start but that actually makes me feel more bullish about the bullpen is that even coming into the fifth inning right I'm looking at your guys' bullpen right now.
26:03 --> 26:09 [SPEAKER_02]: I think you have like five arms with an ERA blow to almost no team can say that.
26:09 --> 26:12 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's without undress Moon Yoast.
26:12 --> 26:13 [SPEAKER_02]: performing very well right now.
26:14 --> 26:20 [SPEAKER_02]: So that would be probably my biggest green flag and then how could you not say Cole Young as another green flag?
26:20 --> 26:21 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there's multiple.
26:22 --> 26:29 [SPEAKER_02]: But Cole Young has been such a good story because going into the season, it almost felt like people were trying to skip him over.
26:29 --> 26:47 [SPEAKER_02]: for Cold Emerson right everyone's so excited about this next great mariner's player and you know like well he plays up the middle and like whole young maybe he'll do something but we're really just excited to see Cold Emerson and then to see Cold Young step up like he has I think is a huge green flag in terms of the red flags
26:49 --> 27:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Watching Josh Nailer take A-B's has been so disappointing because it's not just the production, it's almost like his energy in the box because where I fell in love with Josh Nailer was in Cleveland where the energy, the fight, the competitiveness that he brings, not only to the field but in the plate, you can feel it.
27:14 --> 27:19 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think it started in the WBC for Canada because we were watching a ton of world baseball classic.
27:20 --> 27:21 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, does this guy even care?
27:21 --> 27:26 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I felt like what I was watching these A-B's.
27:26 --> 27:28 [SPEAKER_02]: the lack of aggressiveness.
27:29 --> 27:31 [SPEAKER_02]: He'd roll over and not run the bases.
27:32 --> 27:33 [SPEAKER_02]: I was just like, what was this player?
27:34 --> 27:35 [SPEAKER_02]: This is completely different guy.
27:35 --> 27:38 [SPEAKER_02]: And then he brought that into the Mariners season so far.
27:39 --> 27:41 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, that's not Josh Nailer.
27:42 --> 27:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Like I'm not surprising as a 71WRC plus.
27:44 --> 27:49 [SPEAKER_02]: I would have figured it's worse because when Josh Nailer has it, electric.
27:49 --> 27:51 [SPEAKER_02]: You guys saw it last year.
27:51 --> 27:52 [SPEAKER_02]: when you guys acquired him.
27:52 --> 27:56 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, my god, one of the most entertaining players it felt like within a week.
27:56 --> 27:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Mariners fans were like, we have to sign him.
27:58 --> 28:00 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't care what it costs.
28:00 --> 28:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Because it's not just he had a 130 WRC plus he was a good hitter.
28:04 --> 28:05 [SPEAKER_02]: He brought it.
28:05 --> 28:06 [SPEAKER_02]: I even felt like he's brought it this year.
28:07 --> 28:08 [SPEAKER_02]: That would be my biggest red flag.
28:09 --> 28:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Peter, do you know his other nickname that he has?
28:12 --> 28:28 [SPEAKER_01]: his other nickname or it could be his main I don't know if to the general public I know to to Mariners fans is his main nickname I'm wondering to the general public they know what it is I don't think so early I don't I think big grumper is rubbing off on Peter
28:28 --> 28:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so you guys even have a nickname for this yes.
28:32 --> 28:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, here we go.
28:33 --> 28:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Now I know I'm not crazy That I'm just like the only person on earth being like that is not Josh Nailer That is not the Josh Nailer.
28:40 --> 28:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I fell in love with even I'm a Yankee fan and he's rocking the baby Yankee fans are freaking out I'm like that's electric.
28:46 --> 28:46 [SPEAKER_02]: That's electric.
28:46 --> 28:47 [SPEAKER_02]: He's an electric player.
28:48 --> 28:48 [SPEAKER_02]: He's not electric.
28:48 --> 28:49 [SPEAKER_02]: He is the big grumper
28:50 --> 28:55 [SPEAKER_00]: So we got told that that got wielded out of them a little bit.
28:55 --> 29:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Once he especially started to get close to free agency, I think somebody gotten his ear a little bit about all the on-field public outburst like that because you didn't really ever see that in Arizona and we certainly never saw it in the final two months or in the playoffs in Seattle.
29:14 --> 29:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I think he's different now.
29:15 --> 29:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's that he doesn't care.
29:16 --> 29:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I think he's just got a very unique
29:19 --> 29:21 [SPEAKER_00]: or that he brings to the field.
29:21 --> 29:24 [SPEAKER_00]: And I can understand why it could rub some people the wrong way.
29:25 --> 29:29 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think that's just how we've learned and take Josh Nailer if that makes sense.
29:30 --> 29:30 [SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of how he is.
29:31 --> 29:35 [SPEAKER_02]: I think you make a really good point there, but it's not just the antics.
29:35 --> 29:36 [SPEAKER_02]: That's not what I'm talking about.
29:36 --> 29:40 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm even talking about it on a pitch-by-pitch basis in the box, right?
29:40 --> 29:42 [SPEAKER_02]: The just lack,
29:42 --> 29:44 [SPEAKER_02]: of aggressiveness, the passiveness.
29:44 --> 29:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Right?
29:45 --> 29:46 [SPEAKER_02]: And pretty sure his swing rate is down.
29:47 --> 29:52 [SPEAKER_02]: He's chasing outside the zone of pitches that you wouldn't normally see him chasing at.
29:52 --> 29:54 [SPEAKER_02]: And then his walk back to the dugout.
29:54 --> 29:55 [SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of like, ugh.
29:56 --> 29:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know.
29:57 --> 29:58 [SPEAKER_02]: It just, it doesn't feel right.
29:59 --> 30:01 [SPEAKER_01]: When he grumps, he grumps.
30:01 --> 30:05 [SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's, it's, it's in, in, in, in every facet of the game.
30:05 --> 30:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I even last year when he's playing as well as possible, like there are moments you will catch him.
30:09 --> 30:14 [SPEAKER_01]: It's, it doesn't seem like he's having the most fun of all time on the baseball field.
30:14 --> 30:44 [SPEAKER_01]: and he's going to show you know he was performing really well this year you know when the struggles come out and that's the question you ask when someone starts the season off really cold like how do they respond to that is Josh knew his personality built out to respond to a really negative starts the season I think still think we have a little bit to go to find out at least how it is in a Mariners uniform but I get how he could he could rub rub that to people I don't think that's crazy at all Peter and he's going to catch fire right he's going to be fine
30:44 --> 30:47 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not I'm not worried about Josh Nailer the player.
30:47 --> 31:01 [SPEAKER_02]: I just to answer your question about a red flag That's the thing pissing me off about the Mariners when I turn them on late night because I love watching the Mariners who wouldn't look at this team I ranked him as my number one power rank team in the American League going into the season.
31:01 --> 31:02 [SPEAKER_02]: How could you not look at this rotation?
31:02 --> 31:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Look at this bullpen J Rod cow
31:05 --> 31:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Right, go down the line, Randy's entertaining.
31:08 --> 31:11 [SPEAKER_02]: You see, Cole Young, Luke Rayley is unbelievable.
31:11 --> 31:13 [SPEAKER_02]: They have so many good players.
31:13 --> 31:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Good manager, good front office.
31:16 --> 31:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Great GM.
31:17 --> 31:18 [SPEAKER_02]: What are we talking about?
31:19 --> 31:24 [SPEAKER_02]: And to see 12 and 14, and just like a lack of energy, that's what upsets me.
31:26 --> 31:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's interesting.
31:27 --> 31:39 [SPEAKER_00]: So you helped answer one of the questions I already had down for you, which is of the big three and the lineup of Cal Julio Josh Nailer, where there are any that really jumped out to you in a bit of a negative way when they started to slow.
31:39 --> 31:41 [SPEAKER_00]: And it sounds like you answered the question with Nailer.
31:41 --> 31:47 [SPEAKER_00]: But let me ask you this, since the team is about 12 and 14 as we're sitting here recording this.
31:47 --> 31:49 [SPEAKER_00]: And the first month is coming to a close.
31:50 --> 31:54 [SPEAKER_00]: When do you start to actually look at a team and say,
31:54 --> 31:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm worried or I'm totally buying in.
31:56 --> 32:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Like if a team starts really hot for X amount of weeks, your bought in, or if a team starts really cold, especially one that I had expectations for X amount of weeks, you say this is a real problem.
32:07 --> 32:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Is there a point in the year where you usually circle and say, all right, we gotta take this seriously?
32:11 --> 32:12 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what's funny?
32:12 --> 32:16 [SPEAKER_02]: I can actually give you a real answer for that.
32:16 --> 32:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Because I think, you know, you could say, well, you know, when the first month or anything, but things change.
32:22 --> 32:23 [SPEAKER_02]: I run a betting model, right?
32:23 --> 32:25 [SPEAKER_02]: You guys know me, I make bets.
32:25 --> 32:31 [SPEAKER_02]: And basically with this model, I run my projections and then based off my projections, I make a bet, right?
32:31 --> 32:43 [SPEAKER_02]: So if I make a line minus 130, or minus 150, I give a team of 60% chance of winning and the betting line only is minus 125, 55%, that's when I make a bet.
32:44 --> 32:47 [SPEAKER_02]: I am still using pre-season projections.
32:47 --> 32:52 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm mold some current numbers in, but it's still like that.
32:52 --> 32:59 [SPEAKER_02]: On May 1st, that's when I start to use real data that we've already gotten, some at first yet.
33:00 --> 33:06 [SPEAKER_02]: So not even to this point, have I really like stuck my foot in the ground.
33:06 --> 33:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, if things have continued, oh, I just hit my mic, if things have continued from last year,
33:13 --> 33:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Right, let's say you did one team was terrible on the pitching side last year, the second half, didn't add much pitching, and then continues to perform poorly as a staff.
33:26 --> 33:34 [SPEAKER_02]: That's something that we can hang on to, but the Mariners being 12 and 14 knowing that Julio starts slow every year.
33:34 --> 33:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Knowing that Cal Rawley caught a bunch of innings in the World Baseball Classic, played a full season last year, it was such an incredible season, and got off to a slow start.
33:42 --> 33:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Am I worried?
33:42 --> 33:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Of course not.
33:44 --> 33:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Josh Naylor, he's been pissing me off.
33:45 --> 33:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Am I worried?
33:46 --> 33:46 [SPEAKER_02]: No.
33:47 --> 33:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Logan Gilbert's got a ERA over four and a half.
33:50 --> 33:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Do I care?
33:51 --> 33:51 [SPEAKER_02]: No.
33:51 --> 33:53 [SPEAKER_02]: No, of course not.
33:53 --> 33:54 [SPEAKER_02]: It's so early.
33:54 --> 33:57 [SPEAKER_02]: He's rocking like a 360 batting average on balls and play.
33:57 --> 34:03 [SPEAKER_02]: But what I will say, coming up, then we start to formulate opinions by the middle of me.
34:04 --> 34:10 [SPEAKER_02]: That's start using M will be data made first, formulate opinion in the middle of May, and then we're off.
34:11 --> 34:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I think last year changed this a lot for me.
34:15 --> 34:20 [SPEAKER_01]: A good, I think a good round date to go around is June 1st.
34:20 --> 34:24 [SPEAKER_01]: To exactly two months into the MLB season, you're a third of the way done.
34:24 --> 34:29 [SPEAKER_01]: You have a pretty decent idea of what the team, at least the team that started this season, is.
34:30 --> 34:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And for the Mariners, like the first four months of the season, told us exactly who they were.
34:34 --> 34:38 [SPEAKER_01]: They had an MVP caliber player who should have won MVP.
34:38 --> 34:40 [SPEAKER_01]: in their lineup.
34:40 --> 34:49 [SPEAKER_01]: And then the rest of the roster was essentially combined with the injuries and the underperformance was a 500-based ball team.
34:49 --> 34:50 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's what they showed us.
34:50 --> 34:51 [SPEAKER_01]: The deadline there were just about 500.
34:52 --> 34:56 [SPEAKER_01]: But the team was completely different after the deadline because they added a bunch of players.
34:56 --> 35:02 [SPEAKER_01]: So is it the craziest thing that we're not going to know what this team is until August 15th?
35:04 --> 35:05 [SPEAKER_02]: I think you could make that argument.
35:06 --> 35:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Again, I'm gonna stand on my laurels.
35:08 --> 35:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I think that by May, you have a pretty good idea.
35:13 --> 35:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not saying that, oh, this is the team.
35:15 --> 35:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I kind of get what you mean.
35:16 --> 35:19 [SPEAKER_02]: I'd be like, I really know who this is by June.
35:20 --> 35:23 [SPEAKER_02]: But by May, at that point, you got what?
35:23 --> 35:26 [SPEAKER_02]: 30, 35 games under your belt.
35:27 --> 35:28 [SPEAKER_02]: We play 162.
35:28 --> 35:34 [SPEAKER_02]: It's good portion, right?
35:34 --> 35:44 [SPEAKER_02]: where it's like, all right, I know who you, and then during the month of May, that's when you formulate opinions and by your date TJ, June 1st, that's when we know.
35:44 --> 35:52 [SPEAKER_02]: August 15th, I mean, then we're starting to get ready for the postseason, but you already have a huge record and you might have a change team because of deadline acquisitions.
35:53 --> 35:54 [SPEAKER_02]: But again, I'm gonna go back to it.
35:54 --> 35:58 [SPEAKER_02]: I think by May, we're starting to figure out some things.
35:59 --> 36:12 [SPEAKER_01]: So maybe it's more like August 15th gives you a better idea of the team you have to finish the season not the team you had to start the season because those can be two totally different things whether it be injuries or trades.
36:12 --> 36:13 [SPEAKER_01]: That I think we can agree on.
36:13 --> 36:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Can I be honest with you guys?
36:15 --> 36:15 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
36:15 --> 36:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
36:16 --> 36:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you all the trustee here?
36:18 --> 36:21 [SPEAKER_02]: And because you guys are my friends, I'm gonna ask you a friend question.
36:23 --> 36:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Are you guys pushing back the date until June because the mariners are not off to that great of a start?
36:29 --> 36:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Is that like oh no, we can't we can't have any takes about the mariners until September 8th I mean, at some point like let's say let's say the mariners were like the braves 20 and 8 Do you not have answers yet?
36:45 --> 36:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Isn't the usual consensus or, I mean, fair question.
36:48 --> 36:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Very, very fair question.
36:50 --> 36:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I will respond with, isn't it a bit of a consensus around the league with this question?
36:55 --> 36:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I shouldn't say it consensus because everybody will have a slightly different model in opinion, like you said may first.
37:00 --> 37:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't a lot of people usually say around Memorial Day as when you start to have an idea of who a team is.
37:05 --> 37:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like you usually, that's not true.
37:06 --> 37:08 [SPEAKER_02]: It's struggling like to stick to Memorial Day.
37:09 --> 37:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, well, that's true because most of them at that point right outside of the six contenders Usually that have a risen by Memorial Day You got to still try and wait it out before you make real decisions about your team But what that said I'm making fun of you guys.
37:23 --> 37:29 [SPEAKER_02]: I think the Mariners are awesome like I don't care that they're 12 and 14 I still think they're a really good team Mm-hmm.
37:29 --> 37:31 [SPEAKER_02]: So That's where I'm at.
37:31 --> 37:36 [SPEAKER_02]: I still feel confident they are and it's April 28 Where were the blue j's last year on May 1st?
37:38 --> 37:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I think they're in last place.
37:40 --> 37:41 [SPEAKER_01]: There you go, right?
37:41 --> 37:42 [SPEAKER_01]: And look at what they did.
37:42 --> 37:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
37:43 --> 37:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Things can change.
37:44 --> 37:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And if you want a mariner's perspective on this, the reason I don't like using May 1st if we're going to evaluate how they are for the season, what's Julio Rodriguez's worst month?
37:54 --> 37:55 [SPEAKER_01]: April.
37:55 --> 38:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, it's certainly judged him, but if we judged him on May 1st every year, then he's like the bad baseball player.
38:01 --> 38:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Here's the thing that's important, too, is I'm not saying you needed definitive answer.
38:06 --> 38:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Your April performance is who you are for the rest of the season.
38:10 --> 38:11 [SPEAKER_02]: That's not what I'm saying here.
38:12 --> 38:20 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm saying that we can still have very solid takeaways about all 30 teams by May 1st.
38:20 --> 38:21 [SPEAKER_02]: That's my main argument.
38:22 --> 38:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Is that the Mariners let's say if I may first let's say they win a couple more games and they're 500.
38:28 --> 38:28 [SPEAKER_02]: I'd feel good.
38:29 --> 38:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Why?
38:31 --> 38:36 [SPEAKER_02]: We have a long history of Julio Rodriguez getting much better over the season.
38:37 --> 38:44 [SPEAKER_02]: We have an entire trucker record of Cal Rally dominating over all of last season, knowing he's going to heat up Josh Nailers the same way.
38:44 --> 38:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Like we know that.
38:46 --> 38:53 [SPEAKER_02]: So even if you're at 500, I'm not saying your record on May 1st is what you're going to be for the rest of season.
38:53 --> 38:54 [SPEAKER_02]: That's not my point.
38:55 --> 38:59 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm saying by at that time, you can really start to project out for the rest of the year.
39:01 --> 39:06 [SPEAKER_01]: There is a Mariners trend that I don't think is just an April thing, or just going to be a may thing.
39:06 --> 39:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I think this might be something for the rest of the season.
39:08 --> 39:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad we're going to transition right into it.
39:11 --> 39:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Luis Castillo is not looked good this season.
39:13 --> 39:20 [SPEAKER_01]: He, his velocity is down, his movement on all of his pitches are down, and in turn he's been significantly less effective.
39:20 --> 39:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And the Mariners are in a conundrum right now, where they have a ton of other options for arms and the rotation with Embers and Hancock pitching really well, and Bryce Miller coming back from the injured list.
39:31 --> 39:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Peter, if you're in charge and you're looking at this Mariners rotation, Bryce Miller comes back in a couple of weeks.
39:36 --> 39:37 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you do?
39:38 --> 39:40 [SPEAKER_02]: If Luis Castillo gets a nosebleed, I'm putting him on the aisle.
39:43 --> 39:51 [SPEAKER_02]: When Emerson Hancock made his debut, I was watching it and I tweeted out after he was done domination.
39:51 --> 39:56 [SPEAKER_02]: I tweeted out, this guy would be the second or third best pitcher in a lot of team's rotations.
39:56 --> 39:58 [SPEAKER_02]: And he's the sixth starter for the Mariners.
39:58 --> 40:01 [SPEAKER_02]: People freaked out, how can you all react like that?
40:01 --> 40:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Are you dumb?
40:03 --> 40:07 [SPEAKER_02]: It's been one start, did you see him last year, did you see him the year before?
40:07 --> 40:09 [SPEAKER_02]: And I said just wait.
40:09 --> 40:12 [SPEAKER_02]: This is a different guy, it's a different cat.
40:12 --> 40:13 [SPEAKER_02]: You see that fastball?
40:13 --> 40:18 [SPEAKER_02]: He's not sinkers, slider, nibbling on the edges anymore.
40:19 --> 40:22 [SPEAKER_02]: That's 95 from a low slot at the top of the zone.
40:22 --> 40:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Who else is 95 from a low slot at the top of the zone?
40:25 --> 40:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Ever heard of him, his name's Brian Woe, ever heard of him?
40:28 --> 40:31 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not saying he's Brian Woe, they're different pitchers.
40:31 --> 40:34 [SPEAKER_02]: I said that will play, and it's absolutely played.
40:34 --> 40:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Has he been perfect?
40:36 --> 40:38 [SPEAKER_02]: No, has he been really good?
40:38 --> 40:40 [SPEAKER_02]: And this is clearly a different guy.
40:40 --> 40:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely knowing the arm talent drafted sixth overall in the first round out of the university of Georgia.
40:48 --> 40:49 [SPEAKER_02]: This is a real cat, this is a real player.
40:51 --> 40:54 [SPEAKER_02]: And with Castile, I faded him yesterday, right?
40:54 --> 40:57 [SPEAKER_02]: When he went up against the twins, I got a good plus price.
40:58 --> 41:02 [SPEAKER_02]: with Luis Castillo on the road, because you guys have seen the home road splits with a lot of pitchers.
41:03 --> 41:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Castillos are the most stark.
41:05 --> 41:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Right, it's like a two and a half year ahead, home, it's like a five year array on the road.
41:09 --> 41:19 [SPEAKER_02]: You can't go into a game knowing your starter average is five runs per nine innings, and we have a large sample of that when he looked better.
41:20 --> 41:25 [SPEAKER_02]: And this season, he's floating mediocre stuff into the middle of his own.
41:25 --> 41:27 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry, Marin is fans, he is.
41:27 --> 41:29 [SPEAKER_02]: We're all watching the same game.
41:30 --> 41:33 [SPEAKER_02]: This version of Luis Castillo is not the same version that we've seen.
41:33 --> 41:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, we signed that five year, what, $108 million deal?
41:37 --> 41:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Back in 2022, I think it ends in 2022, seven.
41:40 --> 41:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I would consider shopping him.
41:41 --> 41:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I would consider giving him a breather.
41:43 --> 41:46 [SPEAKER_02]: I am not taking Hancock out of that rotation of five in charge.
41:46 --> 41:50 [SPEAKER_02]: I am not.
41:51 --> 41:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Right?
41:52 --> 41:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, what if another guy goes down?
41:54 --> 41:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Right, trading at least to steal my pair of problems.
41:57 --> 42:05 [SPEAKER_02]: But you have to figure out a way to go Gilbert Kirby, whoa, or whatever order you want, handcock Miller.
42:05 --> 42:08 [SPEAKER_02]: You have to do those five are box office.
42:08 --> 42:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Castillo is just the weakest link.
42:12 --> 42:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Buy a good bet.
42:15 --> 42:19 [SPEAKER_00]: So we're all on the same page here because my take on this is pretty similar years.
42:19 --> 42:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I said Luis Castillo may not even need a nose bleed to land on the I.L.
42:24 --> 42:34 [SPEAKER_00]: When Bryce Miller gets closer and closer to coming back, all of a sudden you may start to hear that Luis Castillo has a little bit of lat-tightness that he's feeling, or maybe his hammy's barking at him a little bit.
42:34 --> 42:35 [SPEAKER_02]: You know why?
42:35 --> 42:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Look at the match.
42:36 --> 42:37 [SPEAKER_02]: They just put code I sang on the I.L.
42:37 --> 42:38 [SPEAKER_02]: with like...
42:39 --> 42:41 [SPEAKER_02]: He thought about his shoulder, my heart.
42:42 --> 42:44 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what the actual designation was.
42:44 --> 42:47 [SPEAKER_00]: He's been pitching terribly, it happened to it.
42:47 --> 42:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
42:48 --> 43:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And it seems like the easiest option because our take on this is to put him in the bullpen and May feels pretty premature because injuries pop up, the need for extra starters always comes to play throughout the course of the year.
43:01 --> 43:06 [SPEAKER_00]: There will probably be a point at some point where you need Castillo to make more starts.
43:06 --> 43:10 [SPEAKER_00]: But to put them on the fan of my L, let's say, it solved your problems for a while.
43:10 --> 43:12 [SPEAKER_00]: It gives them a little time to rest.
43:12 --> 43:14 [SPEAKER_00]: It could give them a little time to work on stuff.
43:14 --> 43:16 [SPEAKER_00]: And then you can reevaluate in a few weeks and you can go from there.
43:17 --> 43:18 [SPEAKER_00]: If everybody's healthy, it's a good problem to have.
43:19 --> 43:31 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think TJ and I are in the same boat as you, which is, if you were to yank Emerson Hancock out of this rotation right now, not only do I think you wouldn't be fooling the clubhouse in any way, because they're seeing what everybody else is seeing.
43:31 --> 43:32 [SPEAKER_00]: They're seeing how well he's pitching.
43:32 --> 43:34 [SPEAKER_00]: But for a team that has,
43:34 --> 43:38 [SPEAKER_00]: aspirations about as high as anybody to go try and win it all this year.
43:39 --> 43:41 [SPEAKER_00]: That doesn't really scream winning move.
43:41 --> 43:43 [SPEAKER_00]: So leave a guy in your rotation who's just been uncompetitive.
43:44 --> 43:45 [SPEAKER_00]: And just because you're paying him.
43:45 --> 43:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
43:46 --> 43:48 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean at the end of the day.
43:48 --> 43:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's go win a world series.
43:50 --> 43:51 [SPEAKER_02]: This team has the goods to do it.
43:51 --> 43:52 [SPEAKER_02]: How do you do that?
43:52 --> 43:53 [SPEAKER_02]: You play your best five.
43:54 --> 43:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.
43:55 --> 43:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry.
43:56 --> 43:58 [SPEAKER_01]: We're playing our best five, and that's not with Castillo.
43:59 --> 44:03 [SPEAKER_01]: And the marathon has been better about eating money in the last year or so.
44:04 --> 44:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Essentially ever since Cal was like, yeah, you guys need to be more serious if I'm signing an extension here.
44:09 --> 44:12 [SPEAKER_01]: To that since that point they have they have been pretty serious.
44:13 --> 44:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I still think you could put Luis Castillo in the bullpen and the stuff plays up a little bit over an inning or two I don't think the Mariners really have the depth necessary in their bullpen to go far in the playoffs in its current state
44:26 --> 44:38 [SPEAKER_01]: So, having another arm already in your organization that you're paying a ton of money to that could go into the bullpen and succeed, especially because a big reason for his lack of success for Luis Castillo's fastball.
44:38 --> 44:40 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not getting enough juice on his fastball.
44:40 --> 44:44 [SPEAKER_01]: The easiest way to get juice on your fastball is going to bullpen and only throw it for one inning.
44:44 --> 44:47 [SPEAKER_01]: So that would help him get that up as well.
44:48 --> 44:56 [SPEAKER_01]: But there's another problem the Mariners might have to deal with this season as well, based on how a certain prospect is performing in the minor leagues.
44:57 --> 45:19 [SPEAKER_02]: And this might be a little more of Arms Alley, but we can still ask you because right now, I mean through four starts, he is looking unheadable and double-eye I fucking love this dude so much so I can answer it a little bit just because I'm a huge college baseball fan And you know, I watched him a ton last year at LSU, we were in, you know
45:19 --> 45:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Omaha, Nebraska for that start and he I set afterwards.
45:24 --> 45:30 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like I would take him number one over all in the draft and I think he's got max free written all over him.
45:31 --> 45:32 [SPEAKER_02]: That was my take then and
45:33 --> 45:35 [SPEAKER_02]: How can I go away from that take now?
45:35 --> 45:37 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he might already be Max Freed.
45:38 --> 45:39 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, you know, he's pitching a double way.
45:40 --> 45:40 [SPEAKER_02]: He's got a way to go.
45:41 --> 45:45 [SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, I see multiple pitches that he could throw for strikes.
45:46 --> 45:49 [SPEAKER_02]: He's got some built-in deception, and the stuff just continues to take up.
45:51 --> 45:53 [SPEAKER_02]: The good, you're in a good spot, right?
45:53 --> 45:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Because you don't need him.
45:56 --> 46:06 [SPEAKER_02]: So might as just keep massaging that arm, get him as ready as possible, and then maybe he's a September call up, and he can come in and give you some important spot starts.
46:06 --> 46:08 [SPEAKER_02]: But at the end of the day like,
46:08 --> 46:11 [SPEAKER_02]: the one thing you guys don't need is pitching.
46:12 --> 46:21 [SPEAKER_02]: So while he is certainly a very talented arm and you want to see him, wouldn't it probably have to come with an injury?
46:21 --> 46:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Our last segment was that we have too many pictures right now.
46:24 --> 46:27 [SPEAKER_02]: We just talked about it, you know what I mean?
46:28 --> 46:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Almost if you see Kate Anderson did something go wrong, and I don't mean that as a slight to Kate Anderson.
46:35 --> 46:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Again, one of my favorite pictures that I've ever seen in college baseball and currently one of my favorite pitching prospects period.
46:44 --> 46:47 [SPEAKER_02]: But if he's up, who's down?
46:49 --> 46:56 [SPEAKER_02]: And you can fill in, but if we see him, my guess is something went wrong.
46:57 --> 47:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I just wonder if he's gonna end up forcing their hand, but I don't even know how you force a hand in this rotation right now.
47:02 --> 47:04 [SPEAKER_00]: That's why it's such a fascinating conversation.
47:04 --> 47:09 [SPEAKER_00]: That probably isn't going away between the two of us, and it's just gonna be something we monitor for a year.
47:10 --> 47:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Such a good problem now.
47:11 --> 47:13 [SPEAKER_02]: I know what we're talking about.
47:13 --> 47:16 [SPEAKER_02]: We're talking about a five-headed monster.
47:17 --> 47:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Where Luis Castillo, the three-time all-star, who's running into a bit of a slide, we're like, yep, hit the bench.
47:23 --> 47:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Hit it.
47:23 --> 47:28 [SPEAKER_02]: We got five dogs, and then we're talking about pulling up another pitching prospect.
47:28 --> 47:29 [SPEAKER_02]: What about Ryan Sloan?
47:30 --> 47:32 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, dear God, him too.
47:32 --> 47:33 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not.
47:33 --> 47:34 [SPEAKER_02]: It's exciting times.
47:34 --> 47:40 [SPEAKER_02]: It's exciting times and Seattle because it's in the now and it's in the future.
47:40 --> 47:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Let me ask you one more question on Castio that as somebody who's a national baseball guy be interesting to get your perspective on because you mentioned the idea of potentially shopping him around if you had to find some room in the rotation.
47:52 --> 47:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think somebody would take him?
47:54 --> 47:57 [SPEAKER_00]: That's honestly what I've been battling with.
47:57 --> 48:00 [SPEAKER_00]: With the money he's owed left on that deal and the way he's trending.
48:00 --> 48:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Like what somebody take on that deal?
48:09 --> 48:11 [SPEAKER_02]: What would you give up right now for Luis Castillo?
48:12 --> 48:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Prop, let's say, right, Castillo still on the reds, for example, and he's pitching to a six and a half ERA, his stuff is diminishing, he's 33 years old, and you got to pay him the rest of his 21 million this year and the rest of his 20 plus million next year.
48:30 --> 48:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you want to give up one of your good prospects for him?
48:33 --> 48:34 [SPEAKER_02]: And of course not.
48:35 --> 48:36 [SPEAKER_02]: So why would you expect anybody else to?
48:37 --> 48:42 [SPEAKER_02]: That's why even we were talking about this before we press a record button and we were texting about it.
48:42 --> 48:44 [SPEAKER_02]: And my initial instinct was shopper.
48:45 --> 48:48 [SPEAKER_02]: But then I kind of corrected my own brand and I was like, for what?
48:50 --> 48:51 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what we've been at too.
48:51 --> 48:53 [SPEAKER_00]: It feels like a bit of an untradable conversation.
48:53 --> 48:54 [SPEAKER_02]: It just feels like...
48:54 --> 49:24 [SPEAKER_02]: fan of my I think that's the best because to your point TJ about the bullpen in theory the fastball would tick up but you got a guy who's been starting pitch for a decade and then you just move him to the bullpen there's an adjustment period and then what if he gets hit in his first couple outings of the bullpen because he's not adjusted yet then what do you do then you basically kind of melted him a little bit and that would probably burn the relationship a little bit and trust of putting him back in the rotation out of him as for someone who's been
49:24 --> 49:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, in theory, if you ate all of his money, you could trade him.
49:27 --> 49:31 [SPEAKER_01]: But if you're trading him, you probably want to get some of that money off the books.
49:31 --> 49:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, who's going to take that kind of salary for a story pitcher who stuff is deteriorating?
49:37 --> 49:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I had the Orioles, maybe because the Orioles just don't, they have new owners who apparently want to spend more money and they constantly need new starting pictures in the rotation because none of the ones that actually bring into the rotation are actually good enough.
49:51 --> 49:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that works out and it's not in the American League West which is important to them.
49:55 --> 49:58 [SPEAKER_01]: You'll just question, I was wondering, do you have ten and five rights?
49:59 --> 50:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so.
50:00 --> 50:22 [SPEAKER_01]: like this is 10th season I don't think yeah I don't I don't think yeah maybe this time next year he would be so if you are gonna trade him probably have to yeah probably have to be now sure or you can't trade him it's the Katelmartei argument all over again but it sounds like Peter was about to say he doesn't think the Orioles would take that on no shot no I mean the Orioles didn't want to sign from her
50:23 --> 50:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you think they're going to take on money for Luis Castillo who's struggling because I mean let's give credit to the Orioles right now This version of Luis Castillo is he better than Dean Kramer?
50:34 --> 50:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Not that's the right order, right?
50:37 --> 50:39 [SPEAKER_02]: So why would you take on 20 million?
50:39 --> 50:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Especially for a team that doesn't like to take on money anyway So it's like in theory could the Orioles use a starter?
50:45 --> 50:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, are they normal?
50:46 --> 50:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Once the last time the Orioles made a trade and took on money
50:51 --> 50:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Good point.
50:52 --> 50:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you need a red socks, need a, need a right handed starter, they've been making some great trades recently.
50:57 --> 51:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Have you seen their pitching, like they have, they have too many pictures to deal with.
51:01 --> 51:02 [SPEAKER_02]: They were the ones that are on that team.
51:04 --> 51:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but who cares, like again,
51:08 --> 51:13 [SPEAKER_02]: You'd be kicking out what Brian Bale from the rotation, who they already extended, right?
51:13 --> 51:21 [SPEAKER_02]: And you're going to fire your manager, and you want to get younger, and then you're bringing in 33-year-old Luis Castillo with 20 million attached for two more years.
51:22 --> 51:25 [SPEAKER_02]: There's nobody that even would make sense.
51:26 --> 51:31 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, maybe maybe maybe the tigers.
51:32 --> 51:38 [SPEAKER_02]: flared he goes down and like they get really banged up and they have to make a move.
51:38 --> 51:47 [SPEAKER_02]: But it's another front office that doesn't normally want to take on a lot of money and Scoobles about to be a free agent.
51:47 --> 51:54 [SPEAKER_02]: They want to be in those waters, but they're like, oh no wait, we're paying Luis Castillo for next year, $20 million.
51:54 --> 51:56 [SPEAKER_02]: It just doesn't make sense.
51:56 --> 51:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I think this has been awesome.
51:57 --> 52:09 [SPEAKER_00]: The way you've just spelled this out for people, because we get a lot of comments on the daily when we start to talk about how to potentially maneuver this rotation, we get a lot of people that say, and I get it, they just say, well, just trade kids deal, just trade them, and then you can free it up.
52:09 --> 52:12 [SPEAKER_00]: And we're like, I just don't think it's that easy, guys.
52:12 --> 52:17 [SPEAKER_00]: And you know why I'm getting down, yet you breaking down why it wouldn't work here and why it wouldn't work there.
52:17 --> 52:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I think this has been really good.
52:19 --> 52:20 [SPEAKER_02]: You know why I'm good at this?
52:20 --> 52:21 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a Yankee fan.
52:21 --> 52:27 [SPEAKER_02]: How many times have we tried to trade Clint Frazier and Magala Andrew Harbour, but he's best player?
52:28 --> 52:34 [SPEAKER_02]: And I have to like scream into the abyss, like you guys are nuts, you're nuts, all of you are nuts!
52:35 --> 52:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, Americans fans are not nearly as crazy as Yankee fans, but as fans, you're always trying to make your team better.
52:43 --> 52:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, would you make your team better?
52:45 --> 52:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Getting something valuable for Luis Castillo, but a great exercise, and I'll remind everybody listening again.
52:51 --> 52:52 [SPEAKER_02]: would you do it?
52:53 --> 52:55 [SPEAKER_02]: You've seen Luis Castillo.
52:55 --> 52:56 [SPEAKER_02]: You know how much money he makes.
52:57 --> 52:59 [SPEAKER_02]: You know how eager you are to get rid of him.
53:00 --> 53:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Are you operating from a position of strength when you come to trade talks?
53:04 --> 53:08 [SPEAKER_02]: When Jerry DePoto picks up the phone and says, is anyone interested in Luis Castillo?
53:09 --> 53:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Who's answering?
53:12 --> 53:24 [SPEAKER_00]: It reminds me a little bit of that meme that you always see at the guy pointing at himself and it says who want me and the pole is no 100% And at the end of the day could the least to steal bounce back.
53:24 --> 53:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, right?
53:26 --> 53:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Right we haven't even gone to August 15th.
53:28 --> 53:29 [SPEAKER_02]: TJ state yet.
53:30 --> 53:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Luis Castillo's got four or five more months to prove himself to TJ, right?
53:34 --> 53:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't the Yankees have a spot open in their rotation.
53:40 --> 53:44 [SPEAKER_02]: We got six guys all with the Yankees are real good You want to talk Yankees?
53:44 --> 53:46 [SPEAKER_02]: They're real good right there.
53:46 --> 53:47 [SPEAKER_02]: They're looking really good.
53:47 --> 53:54 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean the managers are really good too There's some really good teams in the American League and again, it's still early, but oh, yeah, we don't need them.
53:54 --> 53:55 [SPEAKER_02]: That's for sure
53:55 --> 54:19 [SPEAKER_00]: you know what on that note i'm glad you just went there because we've been doing this a lot more this year and i think the conversations more relevant for the mariners than it ever ever has been but we've been spending a lot of time just talking about okay who are the other contenders around the leagues specifically in the american league who could post some threats to the mariners down the line who else is really jumping out to you in the first month of the year and saying oh like these are threats these guys are contenders
54:19 --> 54:24 [SPEAKER_02]: I hate to be biased, but the Yankees would be number one on that list.
54:24 --> 54:30 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they have the best record in the American League without Garret Cole, without Carlos Rodon, and without Clark Schmidt.
54:31 --> 54:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, Clark Schmidt, he'll throw 80 innings a year to three year, all right?
54:34 --> 54:38 [SPEAKER_02]: which is like not great, but when he does throw he is excellent.
54:38 --> 54:47 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's not even mentioning Cam Schlittler, or Max Fried, or Ryan Weathers, or Will Warren, who's going way under the radar.
54:47 --> 54:49 [SPEAKER_02]: This is a loaded pitching staff.
54:50 --> 54:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Can compete with Seattle?
54:51 --> 54:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the thing is, your bullpen is better.
54:55 --> 54:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Your bullpen beats the crap out of our bullpen, if I could be a completely honest.
54:58 --> 55:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Brian Cashman has to go out and get bullpen arms, but at the same time, can we be fair?
55:04 --> 55:15 [SPEAKER_02]: bullpokiners right and you look at the offense with Ben Rice hitting the way that he is You're probably gonna put the Yankees offense above the Mariners now.
55:15 --> 55:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah Ben Rice is pretty easily right So that team not only can go toe to toe with the Mariners, but it's probably better Then I run out of options of who's actually better than the Mariners right now.
55:29 --> 55:31 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like hmm
55:31 --> 55:32 [SPEAKER_02]: I still like the tigers.
55:32 --> 55:34 [SPEAKER_02]: I still think they have a really good team.
55:35 --> 55:36 [SPEAKER_02]: The blue jays, what can you do?
55:36 --> 55:38 [SPEAKER_02]: The half the team got hurt.
55:38 --> 55:42 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's hard to know, like, try this average makes his debut tonight.
55:43 --> 55:46 [SPEAKER_02]: It's hard to know exactly what they'll become.
55:46 --> 55:47 [SPEAKER_02]: The red socks are in disarray.
55:47 --> 55:51 [SPEAKER_02]: The Orioles, everyone tries to make them a contender every year.
55:51 --> 55:55 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm the one on the podcast being like, I project them for 83, 84 wins.
55:55 --> 55:55 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not buying it.
55:56 --> 55:58 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not saying I've been right every year, but I've been right every year.
55:59 --> 56:06 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just the same kind of mediocre offense is fine, pitching is fine.
56:07 --> 56:07 [SPEAKER_02]: They're okay.
56:08 --> 56:09 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think I truly believe that.
56:09 --> 56:11 [SPEAKER_02]: I think they're a 84 win team, right?
56:12 --> 56:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Solid.
56:12 --> 56:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I think the Rangers are in that same bucket, an 84 win team.
56:15 --> 56:17 [SPEAKER_02]: See what happens to the Astros.
56:17 --> 56:18 [SPEAKER_02]: I never bought into the A's.
56:18 --> 56:20 [SPEAKER_02]: I've never bought it into the Royals.
56:21 --> 56:23 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a twins guy, but that's based on value.
56:23 --> 56:24 [SPEAKER_02]: I've like over 73 and a half wins.
56:24 --> 56:25 [SPEAKER_02]: They ain't competing.
56:26 --> 56:29 [SPEAKER_02]: The rays are a fun story right
56:30 --> 56:31 [SPEAKER_01]: See, Yankees and Mariners.
56:32 --> 56:39 [SPEAKER_01]: How would the Mariners beat the Yankees in a series because they haven't really been able to do it on the field, so I'm, would love to hear a hypothetical hell that would actually happen.
56:39 --> 56:42 [SPEAKER_02]: I think more importantly, how do they take one game in that series?
56:44 --> 56:59 [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
57:00 --> 57:01 [SPEAKER_02]: that you face the Yankees.
57:03 --> 57:03 [SPEAKER_02]: You will.
57:03 --> 57:04 [SPEAKER_02]: You'll have the better bullpen.
57:05 --> 57:07 [SPEAKER_02]: And you'll have a starter that's at least as good if not better.
57:08 --> 57:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Or at least could be as good on any given day.
57:11 --> 57:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Whose offense is going to show up?
57:14 --> 57:16 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what it comes down to.
57:16 --> 57:18 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think you guys know that, too.
57:19 --> 57:20 [SPEAKER_00]: That yeah, he's pitching scares me.
57:20 --> 57:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll be real, especially when everybody gets healthy because you list all the mariners guys But then you go up against healthy gary call max freed and Rhodon and Schlittler Those are probably the four that you'd get if they're all healthy in a series That's no walk in the park That is no walk in the park at all and you know handcock you guys aren't as deep
57:41 --> 57:42 [SPEAKER_02]: actually in the starting rotation.
57:42 --> 57:48 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we can talk Sloan and Kate Anderson, but the Yankees have legit pictures, right?
57:48 --> 57:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Like Ryan Weathers, like Will Warren, right?
57:50 --> 57:55 [SPEAKER_02]: They're just calling up Elmer Rodriguez Cruz who's are one of our best pitching prospects.
57:55 --> 58:01 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll see what, you know, he gives us in his debut, but the Yankees rotation is just deeper.
58:01 --> 58:24 [SPEAKER_02]: So potentially could some of those guys go in the bullpen to then help that bullpen right could Ryan weather stuff tick up back there could they trade it will warn in order to get a big piece of the deadline You know with the marries it's kind of like set and stone But it's like the best five to set and stone But it doesn't get much longer than that but again in a playoff series.
58:24 --> 58:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you need length?
58:25 --> 58:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Who cares about our seventh starters?
58:28 --> 58:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Gilbert versus Cole.
58:29 --> 58:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Who with?
58:30 --> 58:32 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what matters.
58:32 --> 58:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I love Peter's more optimistic about this for the Mariners sake than we are as Mariners fans up here.
58:38 --> 58:39 [SPEAKER_01]: You know this.
58:39 --> 58:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you know what to do this question?
58:41 --> 58:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
58:41 --> 58:46 [SPEAKER_01]: How many times of the Mariners won the season series against the Yankees since 2003?
58:50 --> 58:51 [SPEAKER_01]: two.
58:51 --> 58:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Once.
58:52 --> 58:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we beat the crap out of you guys.
58:54 --> 58:54 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll be real.
58:54 --> 58:56 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what crap out of you guys.
58:56 --> 58:57 [SPEAKER_02]: We owe the American League Central.
58:58 --> 58:59 [SPEAKER_02]: We kind of owe the Mariners.
58:59 --> 59:02 [SPEAKER_00]: It's, I think the only series they won, right?
59:02 --> 59:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Was it 2022, TJ when they had the crazy 15 inning, one nothing game when it was Prime Castillo against Prime, Garret Cole, and it was one nothing.
59:11 --> 59:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, the Americans do not play the Yankees well.
59:15 --> 59:24 [SPEAKER_00]: But you know what, this is why it's nice to have somebody on like Peter who gets to see it from a little bit of a broader perspective, because let's be real.
59:24 --> 59:27 [SPEAKER_00]: We're so close to it every day, right?
59:27 --> 59:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Like when you do a team-based podcast, you're so close to it every day that you're going to nitpick naturally, every bad thing you see, and blow it up.
59:36 --> 59:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Where when you do it more nationally, you get to see a lot more of the broader picture, and it brings a really good perspective.
59:41 --> 59:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Like you're doing right now.
59:42 --> 59:43 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I appreciate it.
59:43 --> 59:46 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not... You guys aren't the only one doing that.
59:47 --> 59:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Ever on listening, you're not the only fan base who's doing that.
59:49 --> 59:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Every single fan base does this.
59:51 --> 59:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
59:51 --> 59:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Yankee's have the best record in the American League.
59:53 --> 59:53 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not even sold.
59:55 --> 01:00:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes, like, I think it was a week and a half ago, I'm on the show and we're doing the weekend round up.
01:00:01 --> 01:00:07 [SPEAKER_02]: And, Arum was talking very highly of the Yankees, bringing up good points and I'm like, oh, what, you know, you're right.
01:00:07 --> 01:00:09 [SPEAKER_02]: I am giving these guys too hard at the time.
01:00:09 --> 01:00:11 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm a general optimist.
01:00:12 --> 01:00:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, everyone does this to their team, especially early when you've been waiting all winter.
01:00:17 --> 01:00:22 [SPEAKER_02]: It's cold, it's raining, and you want to see your team, and then they get out there.
01:00:22 --> 01:00:27 [SPEAKER_02]: and they don't hit with runners in scoring position and it makes you want to tear your hair out.
01:00:27 --> 01:00:29 [SPEAKER_02]: I bet I know it, right?
01:00:29 --> 01:00:33 [SPEAKER_02]: We've all been there, so it's totally normal to feel that way.
01:00:33 --> 01:00:46 [SPEAKER_02]: What I will say is, as a complete outsider, who watches all 30 teams makes projections, the Mariners are as good as any team in the American League.
01:00:47 --> 01:00:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Period, that's it.
01:00:50 --> 01:00:51 [SPEAKER_01]: loved here.
01:00:51 --> 01:00:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I got one more question for you, Peter.
01:00:54 --> 01:01:01 [SPEAKER_01]: It's been a bit of a mixed bag when it comes to surveying people about how Julio has been to start this 2026 season.
01:01:02 --> 01:01:04 [SPEAKER_01]: How do you think he's playing bad?
01:01:06 --> 01:01:08 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, but also who cares?
01:01:08 --> 01:01:09 [SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't every year.
01:01:10 --> 01:01:19 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like you wake up and you get your coffee in the morning and you watch Hulu Roderigas later at night struggle in April.
01:01:20 --> 01:01:22 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just what it is.
01:01:22 --> 01:01:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Why is that the case?
01:01:24 --> 01:01:25 [SPEAKER_02]: I have no idea.
01:01:26 --> 01:01:29 [SPEAKER_02]: I remember Mark to share it with the Yankees was the same way.
01:01:30 --> 01:01:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Just don't get up early in the season.
01:01:33 --> 01:01:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Every year, and you're like, this is gonna be the airway, it doesn't.
01:01:36 --> 01:01:37 [SPEAKER_02]: He does it, and then what happens?
01:01:39 --> 01:01:42 [SPEAKER_02]: He's the reincarnation in the second half.
01:01:43 --> 01:01:48 [SPEAKER_02]: We know this, so why would we be worried when he's struggling in April?
01:01:50 --> 01:01:50 [SPEAKER_02]: right?
01:01:51 --> 01:01:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Am I crazy?
01:01:52 --> 01:01:55 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, I'm not, I don't even care.
01:01:56 --> 01:02:00 [SPEAKER_02]: That's how, that's how so much I'm not worried about it.
01:02:00 --> 01:02:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't even care.
01:02:03 --> 01:02:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I know at the end of the year his stats are going to look really good.
01:02:06 --> 01:02:08 [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to have at least a five-war season.
01:02:09 --> 01:02:23 [SPEAKER_01]: What's different about this year is he's had a combination of doing things better than he's done in any April in the past, but if he threw out his first week, he's been on a buff average offence of player, he just hasn't hit for a bunch of power.
01:02:23 --> 01:02:32 [SPEAKER_01]: the weird thing about this season is his defense for the first month is not great it out great at all, which leaves us raising our eyebrow a little bit.
01:02:32 --> 01:02:37 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, all right, the reason for coolios floors so high is because he's a great runner and a great defender.
01:02:37 --> 01:02:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, this year he's running slower than before and his defense hasn't great it out as well.
01:02:43 --> 01:02:44 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what to make of it.
01:02:45 --> 01:02:48 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what to make of defensive metrics.
01:02:48 --> 01:02:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Like I think we can look at them and say, all right, in Ots above average, Julio is what minus three.
01:02:54 --> 01:02:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you think Julio Rodriguez doesn't have range all of a sudden?
01:02:57 --> 01:02:58 [SPEAKER_02]: No.
01:02:58 --> 01:02:58 [SPEAKER_02]: No.
01:02:59 --> 01:03:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, sometimes guys great out weirdly, right?
01:03:03 --> 01:03:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you think Bryce Terang is a good defense in short, or second basement?
01:03:07 --> 01:03:07 [SPEAKER_02]: I do, yeah.
01:03:08 --> 01:03:12 [SPEAKER_02]: What if I told you he was like negative one in Ots above average, it's like a base last year?
01:03:12 --> 01:03:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Would you care?
01:03:13 --> 01:03:14 [SPEAKER_02]: No, you know why?
01:03:14 --> 01:03:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Because you're not watching him every day.
01:03:16 --> 01:03:18 [SPEAKER_02]: So you're not concerned about his specific numbers.
01:03:18 --> 01:03:19 [SPEAKER_02]: You just know we is.
01:03:19 --> 01:03:23 [SPEAKER_02]: When you go up against the brewers, you know that he's a good defensive second baseman.
01:03:23 --> 01:03:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, his war total might not be as shiny.
01:03:26 --> 01:03:31 [SPEAKER_02]: But all that matters is he's good during the regular season, greatness second half, and he's going to help you in October.
01:03:32 --> 01:03:33 [SPEAKER_02]: That's all that matters at the end of the day.
01:03:33 --> 01:03:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Right?
01:03:34 --> 01:03:38 [SPEAKER_02]: You guys don't get paid more as a podcast of Khulurad Riga's has a specific war.
01:03:38 --> 01:03:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Nobody listening gets an extra hat in the mail of Khulurad Riga's.
01:03:43 --> 01:03:45 [SPEAKER_02]: 6 when playovers is a 5 when player.
01:03:45 --> 01:03:51 [SPEAKER_02]: It might help in narratives on the internet, but then today you know you have one of the best players period in baseball.
01:03:51 --> 01:03:55 [SPEAKER_02]: You know you do and I don't care about his April defensive metrics.
01:03:55 --> 01:03:56 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't.
01:03:56 --> 01:03:59 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't care about his offensive metrics in April because we know what he is.
01:03:59 --> 01:04:09 [SPEAKER_02]: We know he's excellent on all sides of the ball and we know in the second half when you're probably going to need a most he's going to be awesome because he's your
01:04:10 --> 01:04:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Peter, this has been fantastic.
01:04:12 --> 01:04:15 [SPEAKER_01]: We love having you on one of our favorite guests.
01:04:15 --> 01:04:16 [SPEAKER_01]: We're curing guests on this show.
01:04:16 --> 01:04:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And we appreciate you and all the people at just baseball for helping us do what we do.
01:04:21 --> 01:04:22 [SPEAKER_01]: So thanks for taking some time for us.
01:04:23 --> 01:04:24 [SPEAKER_02]: And you guys are the best, too.
01:04:24 --> 01:04:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you guys for having me.
01:04:25 --> 01:04:27 [SPEAKER_02]: And hopefully it wasn't too mean to a Mariners fans.
01:04:27 --> 01:04:28 [SPEAKER_02]: I will tell you like it is.
01:04:29 --> 01:04:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Don't worry, I'm not gonna be all nice.
01:04:31 --> 01:04:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Everything I said here, I fully believe.
01:04:33 --> 01:04:35 [SPEAKER_02]: And TJ and Lyle are my friends.
01:04:35 --> 01:04:38 [SPEAKER_02]: And sometimes I'm going to poke them a little bit.
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01:04:51 --> 01:04:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I said it before the start of the conversation, and I'll say it again, Peter's a great guest.
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