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00:52 --> 01:01 [SPEAKER_02]: And we love you to just episode of the Marine Land, podcast, part of the just baseball podcast network, recording here on Thursday evening April 30th.
01:01 --> 01:04 [SPEAKER_02]: How much of a difference four days during the week makes?
01:05 --> 01:12 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying to think back to our vibes after Monday night watching Luis Castillo implode on Monday night.
01:12 --> 01:14 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, well, they were having a good road trip.
01:15 --> 01:21 [SPEAKER_02]: But now it seems like it has gone right back to normal and they're right back where they were started.
01:22 --> 01:44 [SPEAKER_01]: ended up awesome five in one road trip look I don't care who you're playing should they beat up on the twins and the cardinals yes But you still have to go out there and do it and they did it when I said I wanted to see him go five and one on the road trip That's what I wanted I Didn't know if they were gonna fully go execute that especially the way they've played on the road to start this year and a lot of last year
01:44 --> 01:45 [SPEAKER_01]: But they proved everybody wrong.
01:46 --> 01:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I gotta say when they lost that Connor pre-lip start, I said, well now you gotta go face Joe Ryan and Todd Bradley who's been really good.
01:52 --> 01:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't love their odds the next couple days, but...
01:57 --> 01:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Baseball is a weird game because they went out and beat both of those guys.
02:01 --> 02:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, technically beat, uh, they didn't beat them.
02:05 --> 02:06 [SPEAKER_02]: They beat the twins.
02:06 --> 02:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Fine, they beat the twins.
02:08 --> 02:11 [SPEAKER_02]: The twins bullpen is an abject disaster.
02:11 --> 02:14 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's like a bottom five group in all of baseball.
02:14 --> 02:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Joe Ryan and, and Tosh Bradley shoved it down the Mariners throw.
02:18 --> 02:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow, it's almost like when you get rid of Joe on to Ryan and Griffin Jacks and Louis
02:26 --> 02:27 [SPEAKER_02]: fair point.
02:28 --> 02:29 [SPEAKER_02]: That is a fair point, Lao.
02:29 --> 02:33 [SPEAKER_02]: I want you to tell me if something if this is good or not.
02:33 --> 02:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Let me pull it up so I make sure I have everything in front of me.
02:35 --> 02:38 [SPEAKER_02]: I just want to run this by and you tell me if this is good.
02:39 --> 02:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Think about this for a road trip for a Mariners player.
02:42 --> 02:45 [SPEAKER_02]: You start on Friday, you go one for four and you drive in a run.
02:46 --> 02:50 [SPEAKER_02]: On Saturday, you go three for four with a home run.
02:50 --> 02:54 [SPEAKER_02]: on Sunday you go two for three and you have to go ahead single.
02:55 --> 02:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Pretty good.
02:56 --> 03:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Monday you don't get hit but you still have a sacrifice flying you drive in a run.
03:01 --> 03:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Tuesday you go three for four and you drive in the go ahead run.
03:05 --> 03:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Wednesday you go two for four and you have a game tying double and the go ahead single.
03:11 --> 03:13 [SPEAKER_02]: I'd call that maybe a player the week?
03:14 --> 03:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Does that sound right?
03:16 --> 03:19 [SPEAKER_01]: If player the weeks were given out on Thursdays, absolutely.
03:19 --> 03:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Now they usually give those things out on Monday, but do Koyong has been so good.
03:25 --> 03:26 [SPEAKER_01]: So good.
03:26 --> 03:30 [SPEAKER_01]: This man leads American League Second Basement in WRC+.
03:31 --> 03:35 [SPEAKER_02]: I dismantle according to baseball reference is a top 10 player by war.
03:35 --> 03:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
03:37 --> 03:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'll never get B-war in F-war and why it's such a drastic difference.
03:42 --> 03:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I think B-war just takes defense heavier into account regardless.
03:46 --> 03:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Cole Young has been awesome, but in that in that case, he should be rated even higher because his defense is is incredible.
03:55 --> 03:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
03:56 --> 03:57 [SPEAKER_01]: You think I think B.
03:57 --> 04:00 [SPEAKER_01]: War grades heavier for defense.
04:00 --> 04:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I think they give more credit for defense and fangrass does.
04:04 --> 04:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Listen to these names.
04:05 --> 04:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Matt Olsen number one in baseball and war Kevin McGonagall's tied with Matt Olsen.
04:10 --> 04:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Nico Horner.
04:12 --> 04:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Yord on Alvarez.
04:13 --> 04:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Mike Trout.
04:14 --> 04:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Shout out Mike Trout by the way.
04:15 --> 04:16 [SPEAKER_02]: That dude might be back.
04:17 --> 04:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Now he's back playing centerfield.
04:19 --> 04:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Andy Pahes who's been right hot to start this year and then Cole Young.
04:23 --> 04:25 [SPEAKER_01]: That's crazy, nuts.
04:25 --> 04:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, again, pick your metric.
04:27 --> 04:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Cole Young has been the best second baseman by war?
04:32 --> 04:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Or I guess him and Horner, but he's the best American league second baseman by WRC+, he's the best American league second baseman.
04:40 --> 04:43 [SPEAKER_01]: By war, he's been one of the best defenders in Major League Baseball.
04:44 --> 04:46 [SPEAKER_01]: This isn't all star dude.
04:48 --> 04:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, speaking, if you want to look into how random baseball reference war is, can I read you the Mariners most valuable players by baseball reference war this year?
04:58 --> 04:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let's do it.
05:00 --> 05:03 [SPEAKER_01]: By the way, when I say Cole Young's in all star, that's if this keeps up.
05:03 --> 05:05 [SPEAKER_01]: He does this for another month or two.
05:06 --> 05:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's going to fill it.
05:08 --> 05:32 [SPEAKER_02]: You're one of your third of the way there right now, right if he's even like he doesn't even if he's like 80% of this going Into July Then you still have to feel pretty good at the very least he would be a bench bat in the all-star game What should be pretty good for your age 22 season your first full season in major league baseball all right?
05:32 --> 05:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Listen to this Lyle
05:33 --> 05:38 [SPEAKER_02]: So according to baseball reference, Cully Young's the most valuable player on the Mariners.
05:38 --> 05:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Make sense, he's a top 10 most valuable player in Major League Baseball.
05:42 --> 05:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Randy arose a rain as number two.
05:45 --> 05:46 [SPEAKER_02]: George Kirby is number three.
05:47 --> 05:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Emerson Hancock is number four.
05:50 --> 05:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Matt Brash is number five.
05:52 --> 05:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Brett and Adonovan six.
05:55 --> 06:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Edward Bazarto number seven, then cow, then Dom canzone, Jose Ferrer, Logan Gilbert, and JP Crawford.
06:06 --> 06:07 [SPEAKER_02]: That's nuts.
06:08 --> 06:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Is there a name missing from there?
06:09 --> 06:12 [SPEAKER_01]: There is.
06:13 --> 06:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you want to dive into this now?
06:15 --> 06:17 [SPEAKER_01]: We're talking about it pre-recording.
06:18 --> 06:25 [SPEAKER_02]: not really, but I will note, Julio is not in the top 12 of baseball reference war for the Mariners right now.
06:25 --> 06:28 [SPEAKER_02]: He's behind it amazingly.
06:28 --> 06:30 [SPEAKER_02]: He's behind Jose Ferre.
06:32 --> 06:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, we got a bunch of awesome mail bad questions to get to because you guys brought it again this week.
06:36 --> 06:38 [SPEAKER_01]: They're a bunch of fun and we're going to answer them all.
06:39 --> 06:48 [SPEAKER_01]: But people may want to put a pin in this and I think we may circle back to it at some point either next week or in a couple weeks once you
06:48 --> 06:58 [SPEAKER_01]: While we're doing one month samples right now, something's going on with Julio's defense, because you just read where he ranks on his own team in war.
06:59 --> 07:05 [SPEAKER_01]: And for the first time in his career, all the defensive metrics are way, way down on him across the board.
07:07 --> 07:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't, like, it hasn't looked that different by the eye test.
07:10 --> 07:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe there's been a player too, but,
07:14 --> 07:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Man, I've never seen Julio great out in the bottom five percentile of the sport in out's above average.
07:21 --> 07:24 [SPEAKER_01]: For any month, he's always in the top five to ten percentile.
07:25 --> 07:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Right now they're saying that Randy Arroza Reina is a better defender than he is.
07:30 --> 07:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that that that part that part doesn't really make much sense.
07:34 --> 07:46 [SPEAKER_02]: I will say though defensive stats are pretty finicky and that we have Four full seasons of great who you're at regas defensive data and one bad month
07:48 --> 07:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, but it would be one thing if Julio for the month of April was in the 50 second percentile, and Alts above average, and he was at zero defensive run saved.
07:57 --> 07:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe negative one defensive run saved.
08:00 --> 08:04 [SPEAKER_01]: But again, it's everything is negative across the board with him right now.
08:04 --> 08:07 [SPEAKER_01]: He is in the fourth percentile of Alts above average.
08:07 --> 08:08 [SPEAKER_01]: That's pretty drastic.
08:08 --> 08:14 [SPEAKER_02]: It's pretty drastic, but again, he could be a great defender for the rest of the season and is this going to matter?
08:15 --> 08:18 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm just hoping it all turns around in normalizes.
08:18 --> 08:23 [SPEAKER_01]: So at the end of the year, you look up in Julio is playing his usual elite level defense.
08:23 --> 08:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Everything conceivable that we have for us to use.
08:27 --> 08:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Tell us that's going to happen.
08:29 --> 08:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Of course, but it's kind of like the Luis Castillo argument.
08:33 --> 08:38 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like Luis Castillo hasn't just had one bad month and we're preparing to send him to the Phantom I.
08:38 --> 08:44 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, no, Luis Castillo has been down trending for the last two full seasons before this one.
08:44 --> 08:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Meanwhile, Julio has been a platinum glove level defender in center field as recently as last year.
08:50 --> 08:55 [SPEAKER_02]: So when he has one bad month, it's like, okay, has he played his best?
08:55 --> 08:58 [SPEAKER_02]: No, is this going to continue into the future?
08:58 --> 08:59 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I don't like so.
09:00 --> 09:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I certainly hope not, and if I'm a betting man, then I would absolutely bet on his defense to be as good as it always is when the season comes to its close.
09:07 --> 09:11 [SPEAKER_01]: but we've also never seen a month where it grades out like this.
09:11 --> 09:26 [SPEAKER_01]: So it does stick out, especially because again, when you read those war totals, and you say that he's not even in the top 12, that also pairs with the fact that once you get past the first week or week and a half of the season, he's been really good, offensively.
09:26 --> 09:29 [SPEAKER_01]: He's turned it around by offensive metrics.
09:30 --> 09:32 [SPEAKER_01]: This is one of the best Aprils he's had.
09:32 --> 09:48 [SPEAKER_01]: but his war is 0.2 by baseball reference, and it's not in the top 12 of his own team, like he's not even in the first half of his own team, and in terms of the 26-man roster, by value, something's again, something's going on.
09:48 --> 09:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope it just normalizes.
09:50 --> 09:59 [SPEAKER_02]: In context, if he was an average defender in centerfield, and he put up the numbers he did, which is since April 3rd, I want to say that Friday,
09:59 --> 10:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, essentially, one week into the, if you cut out the first week of the season, from Friday, April, 3rd on, Julio Rodriguez has a 127 WRC plus and a 19% strikeout rate.
10:10 --> 10:11 [SPEAKER_02]: It's pretty good.
10:12 --> 10:15 [SPEAKER_02]: You would think those numbers in center field would garner you.
10:16 --> 10:24 [SPEAKER_02]: enough war total to be in the top 12, but you're right, he's not even in that mark, which is it's very strange that something like this has happened.
10:25 --> 10:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Forget the top 12 of your own team.
10:26 --> 10:30 [SPEAKER_01]: If he was playing his usual defense through the first month, he'd be where Cole Young's at right now.
10:30 --> 10:32 [SPEAKER_01]: He'd be in the top 10 of the sport.
10:32 --> 10:40 [SPEAKER_01]: We'd be talking about Julio's first month and saying he did what he needs to do to absolutely take off and legitimately have a chance to win the MVP.
10:40 --> 10:41 [SPEAKER_01]: And he still does,
10:41 --> 10:47 [SPEAKER_01]: But he cannot win the MVP if he is not anchored by his defense, because that's what's going to accrue a lot of value for him.
10:48 --> 10:51 [SPEAKER_01]: He obviously can hit, he's obviously a great offensive player when he's at his best.
10:51 --> 10:57 [SPEAKER_01]: But for him to win an MVP and have that Bobby with junior level nine war season.
10:57 --> 10:59 [SPEAKER_01]: he has to play elite defense.
10:59 --> 11:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And through a month, the metrics show things that we have never seen with Julio and not necessarily in a positive way.
11:06 --> 11:09 [SPEAKER_02]: If we're going to have this discussion out, I do want to wait a little bit longer.
11:09 --> 11:22 [SPEAKER_02]: I think defensive stats need longer to shake out and Julio himself might need longer to shake out to try not to
11:22 --> 11:27 [SPEAKER_01]: totally fair because all the history and the sample size says that he is one of the game's best defenders.
11:28 --> 11:36 [SPEAKER_01]: All I'm saying is, again, he's not in the 47th percentile of OAA where it's like, oh, that jumps out a little, but it's also April.
11:36 --> 11:58 [SPEAKER_01]: fourth percentile i mean he's great now with canzone and and raley and like worse than randy and randy yeah like i don't know man let's just hope it all turns around and we don't ever really have to dive into this more than we are right now but i would just say it's something people should probably at least recognize and take note of it's something to watch
11:58 --> 12:07 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not something the Mariners can afford if his defense is actually bad for anything longer than the month stretch that has been the month of April.
12:07 --> 12:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Just think about the Mariners roster right now.
12:11 --> 12:14 [SPEAKER_02]: You have a great defender behind the Platon Cal.
12:14 --> 12:18 [SPEAKER_02]: You have one of the best defenders in baseball at second base so far this season in Koyung.
12:19 --> 12:23 [SPEAKER_02]: You have probably an average defender at first base in Josh Nailer.
12:24 --> 12:28 [SPEAKER_02]: JP Crawford has been one of the worst defenders in all baseball at shortstop.
12:28 --> 12:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Brennan Donovan's time at third base in a Mariners uniform has not been good at all.
12:33 --> 12:35 [SPEAKER_02]: And in fact, has looked very shaky.
12:35 --> 12:37 [SPEAKER_02]: We've talked plenty about Randy Rosarina's defense.
12:37 --> 12:38 [SPEAKER_02]: He really struggles in left field.
12:39 --> 12:40 [SPEAKER_02]: We just talked about Julio.
12:41 --> 12:45 [SPEAKER_02]: And then in right field, Dom Kinzoan's not a great defender.
12:46 --> 12:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Rob Reft Snyder's not a great defender.
12:47 --> 12:50 [SPEAKER_02]: And Luke Rayley has created out terribly to start this season.
12:51 --> 13:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank goodness for the ballpark, Lyle, because that might be the only thing so far this season that is preventing runs for the Mariners on defense.
13:00 --> 13:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, this is a bad defensive team.
13:02 --> 13:04 [SPEAKER_01]: And this is not about who it is.
13:04 --> 13:06 [SPEAKER_01]: It's worse than we thought right now.
13:06 --> 13:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And this is not about Julio, because again, likelihood is at the end of the year this turns around.
13:12 --> 13:14 [SPEAKER_01]: But the team is a whole, huh?
13:15 --> 13:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Man, it is, it is, it is not good.
13:18 --> 13:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Then when we said, you got to give yourself an edge when a world series, you got to find those little edges to make the difference.
13:24 --> 13:26 [SPEAKER_02]: We used it in the context of managers.
13:26 --> 13:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Matters on defense too.
13:28 --> 13:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, again, you want to look up at your middle infield, your second basements, playing elite level defense, your short stop when you look over to the six hole had a play on Wednesday that cost them a run.
13:39 --> 13:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it looks like a plan.
13:40 --> 13:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I mean, look, we know JP's range has been bad for a while, specifically those plays where he has to go to his right and backhand.
13:47 --> 13:51 [SPEAKER_01]: That has always, always been as a killy seal on defense.
13:51 --> 14:00 [SPEAKER_01]: But that one on Wednesday was a pretty brutal look, which again, if you want to have defensive conversations, if eventually we're going to get back to Hulio,
14:00 --> 14:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, at some point, we may have to talk about JP, not that he's going to be off the roster, not by any means, because he's hitting, but I don't know, man.
14:08 --> 14:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe at some point, he's going to have to de-age for this team at some point, because if Cole Emerson gets up here and his defense is as good as one advertised and two is good as he's shown into coma so far, you do need an edge.
14:20 --> 14:22 [SPEAKER_01]: And that might help you give yourself an edge.
14:22 --> 14:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Imagine if you're up the middle guys are defensively.
14:25 --> 14:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Cal, Cole, Julio, looks a lot different.
14:31 --> 14:32 [SPEAKER_02]: all your franchise guys.
14:33 --> 14:37 [SPEAKER_01]: And guys that are all grading out is, besides Julio through a month, very good defenders.
14:38 --> 14:44 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a bad, it's a bad conundrum to have to say, do we DH Randy or do we DHJP?
14:44 --> 14:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Because they're both hitting but neither them are playing defense.
14:47 --> 14:54 [SPEAKER_01]: They are, and honestly as I said here, thinking about it out loud, I honestly think it would be Randy that could be left in left field.
14:54 --> 14:58 [SPEAKER_01]: If you want to actually take your defense up a notch,
14:58 --> 15:06 [SPEAKER_01]: significantly because if you make Randy the dh right who's taking over form in left field Donovan who's who's fine out there?
15:06 --> 15:13 [SPEAKER_01]: He's about league average, but it's not a drastic jump Maybe Rayleigh has to move over to left field again.
15:13 --> 15:20 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not a perfect solution Maybe you trade for somebody if it ends up being Taylor Ward at the deadline He's not some elite level defender.
15:20 --> 15:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how much of a drastic difference that makes
15:23 --> 15:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Cold Dammer someplace the defense we've all seen over the last year or so, that can be a drastic difference.
15:29 --> 15:39 [SPEAKER_01]: You're talking about a guy going from the bottom 10% out of the league and out some of the average in J.P., that somebody in Cold Dammer's 10 who could great out as they've really, really plus the vendor at short.
15:39 --> 15:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to take this at a different direction and it makes sense given the difference in nature between me and you.
15:45 --> 15:47 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to approach this differently a while.
15:48 --> 15:49 [SPEAKER_02]: This is a math equation.
15:49 --> 15:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Nope.
15:50 --> 15:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
15:51 --> 15:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Nope.
15:51 --> 15:54 [SPEAKER_02]: See math is something you learn in class when you pay attention.
15:54 --> 15:55 [SPEAKER_02]: No.
15:55 --> 15:56 [SPEAKER_02]: You learn things like probability.
15:57 --> 15:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I do.
15:57 --> 15:59 [SPEAKER_02]: That's stats.
15:59 --> 16:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Short stops field more balls than any other defensive position on the infield.
16:05 --> 16:07 [SPEAKER_02]: That's why it's important that you have good defenders there.
16:07 --> 16:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Left fielders.
16:09 --> 16:12 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there's a reason you stick Jesse Winker in left field.
16:13 --> 16:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
16:15 --> 16:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, maybe if teachers had actually known ball and presented it like that, I would have listened.
16:19 --> 16:20 [SPEAKER_01]: It's honestly their fault.
16:21 --> 16:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Their fault?
16:22 --> 16:24 [SPEAKER_01]: You made school boring as all hell and I didn't want to listen.
16:24 --> 16:25 [SPEAKER_01]: It's on you.
16:25 --> 16:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Ugh.
16:27 --> 16:28 [SPEAKER_01]: It's sad.
16:30 --> 16:30 [UNKNOWN]: It's sad.
16:30 --> 16:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Ugh.
16:30 --> 16:31 [SPEAKER_01]: People don't need school.
16:31 --> 16:35 [SPEAKER_01]: If people are coming to this podcast for educational advice, you don't need school.
16:37 --> 16:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Well.
16:38 --> 16:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, that's one way to look at it.
16:41 --> 16:42 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, let's get into this mailbag.
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17:08 --> 17:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Jacob on Patreon asks, if you're going to trade Castillo, what would your trade package look like and who would you go get?
17:19 --> 17:24 [SPEAKER_01]: This is so hard because I just don't know who's going to really give much up for the guy.
17:24 --> 17:26 [SPEAKER_01]: We talked about this with Peter on Wednesday, right?
17:27 --> 17:30 [SPEAKER_01]: We said it and he said it that what's his value?
17:31 --> 17:38 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're going to eat all of Castillo's money, just to try and get him off the books and try to get something back,
17:39 --> 17:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, maybe you get a platoon right handed hitting bats from somewhere.
17:46 --> 17:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's going to be anything significant, but if you're only going to eat half of Louis's money or you don't want to eat any of Louis's money, it's going to be like an A-ball prospect.
17:56 --> 17:59 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think they can get anything back for Louis Castillo.
18:00 --> 18:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Just to get a team to take that money.
18:02 --> 18:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Here's where you would have to start.
18:04 --> 18:09 [SPEAKER_02]: You would need to attach a prospect to Luis Castillo to get a team to take his money.
18:09 --> 18:13 [SPEAKER_02]: They wouldn't just take his money just cause, I don't think.
18:13 --> 18:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, not the way he's pitching.
18:15 --> 18:25 [SPEAKER_02]: No, you're not gonna just trade him to the Colorado Rockies and say, here you guys go, take all of his money and they're like, yeah, okay.
18:25 --> 18:28 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll give you, we'll give you Charlie Condon.
18:29 --> 18:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Who's their first round pick two years ago on a say?
18:33 --> 18:34 [SPEAKER_02]: That would never happen.
18:34 --> 18:35 [SPEAKER_02]: No.
18:35 --> 18:38 [SPEAKER_02]: So you would need to get more creative than that.
18:38 --> 18:40 [SPEAKER_02]: You would need to attach a prospect.
18:40 --> 18:47 [SPEAKER_02]: I would say ranked in your system somewhere in the seven to 15 range, just to get a team to listen.
18:48 --> 18:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Someone with some intrigue, dare I say a las.
18:53 --> 18:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Dingen teams to perk up and listen that would hurt man.
18:56 --> 18:59 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't want to trade lies as part of a salary dump.
18:59 --> 19:00 [SPEAKER_02]: He's still so young.
19:00 --> 19:07 [SPEAKER_02]: You would want him to develop a little bit and see if he can give you any value as opposed to trading Luis Castillo way.
19:07 --> 19:11 [SPEAKER_02]: But even if that is the package, I don't think you get anything.
19:12 --> 19:26 [SPEAKER_02]: I think you might get either a, like you said, a lottery ticket of all lottery tickets in the minor leagues, or you get a quad A player who can play 30 to 40 games for a year in spot starts.
19:26 --> 19:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
19:27 --> 19:41 [SPEAKER_02]: If you're expecting to get a big leager for Luis Castillo that chip is sailed, if they wanted a big leager for him, they should have traded him last off season when, as far
19:42 --> 19:45 [SPEAKER_02]: And, oh, I already forgot the trade package.
19:45 --> 19:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Whilst was in that.
19:46 --> 19:48 [SPEAKER_01]: It was, well, Kossas highlighted it more than the Oshida.
19:49 --> 19:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Kossas and Yoshida.
19:50 --> 19:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, looking back on it with the Mariners have gotten much out of that trade, no, not really.
19:56 --> 19:58 [SPEAKER_02]: But that, that was last off season.
19:58 --> 20:01 [SPEAKER_02]: This is this season, and it's a different world now.
20:02 --> 20:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm even thinking about in the hypothetical world where a team says, okay, we'll take on all of Castillo's money.
20:08 --> 20:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think the Brewers would ever take on all of Louise Castillo's money, but just as a team that will be competing and might need some starting pitching, especially Brandon Woodruff now getting hurt and their rotation already being a little bit then.
20:21 --> 20:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's hypothetically say that the Brewers said, okay, we'll eat all of Louise's money on his contract.
20:27 --> 20:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Even with that, what are you still getting back from him?
20:30 --> 20:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, David Hamilton, you're getting a utility player back with a little bit of speed.
20:34 --> 20:36 [SPEAKER_02]: No.
20:36 --> 20:36 [UNKNOWN]: No.
20:37 --> 20:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, he's not all that valuable.
20:38 --> 20:40 [SPEAKER_01]: He's a soft-hitting utility player.
20:41 --> 20:41 [SPEAKER_02]: But he's a big-leaker.
20:43 --> 20:50 [SPEAKER_02]: If you eat all of the money, they wouldn't trade Luis Castillo to eat the money.
20:50 --> 20:52 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think, in my opinion.
20:52 --> 20:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I know they wouldn't, but you're, again, you're, hear me through here.
20:56 --> 20:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
20:57 --> 21:01 [SPEAKER_01]: You already went through this scenario where you said a team's not going to eat as money, which they're not.
21:02 --> 21:14 [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm just trying to fully contextualize it for people, where we're saying in the hypothetical world, which is basically a non-existent world, but just to go through the exercise and a hypothetical world where a team says we eat all of his money.
21:15 --> 21:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, is that what you're getting back, you're getting back a utility player?
21:18 --> 21:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, maybe?
21:19 --> 21:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Does that make the Mariners better?
21:20 --> 21:21 [SPEAKER_01]: You're not really.
21:21 --> 21:23 [SPEAKER_01]: You already have Leo Reeves at home.
21:23 --> 21:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
21:26 --> 21:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I just mean another utility.
21:28 --> 21:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I know, I know, like getting in or speed and feel there.
21:31 --> 21:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I get it.
21:31 --> 21:42 [SPEAKER_01]: So, or if you want to use the Oreos, who we talked about with Peter, who we also talked about would probably never ever do this, but just to play through the hypothetical scenario they did,
21:43 --> 21:46 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you want back from the Orioles for Luis Castillo?
21:46 --> 21:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you getting?
21:47 --> 21:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't even know you did You want to swap contracts and get Tyler O'Neill.
21:54 --> 22:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean That doesn't seem like a great idea In Taylor Ward, but Taylor Ward's playing well.
22:00 --> 22:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, but you're not gonna get him for Castillo That's somebody you'd have to get it the deadline No
22:06 --> 22:07 [SPEAKER_01]: This is what I mean.
22:07 --> 22:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't I don't even know who you get back.
22:10 --> 22:13 [SPEAKER_02]: You want the Mariners at the Mariners are going to be trading players off of the roster.
22:13 --> 22:20 [SPEAKER_02]: They want to be able to fill their needs, which is right handed hitting big leagueers and bullpen arms.
22:20 --> 22:25 [SPEAKER_02]: You might be able to get a bullpin arm for Luis Castillo, but I don't think it's the kind of bullpin arm we're looking for.
22:26 --> 22:27 [SPEAKER_01]: So back to the Orioles.
22:27 --> 22:30 [SPEAKER_01]: You want a right-handed hitting major league bat?
22:30 --> 22:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, you want Jonathan Rodriguez, who is barely a major league bat.
22:34 --> 22:35 [SPEAKER_01]: He's a major league bat.
22:35 --> 22:36 [SPEAKER_01]: He was with Cleveland system.
22:36 --> 22:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Now he's with the Orioles.
22:38 --> 22:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's been awful and is big league career.
22:39 --> 22:42 [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't have that many of bats and he hasn't been productive.
22:43 --> 22:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't really see what trading.
22:45 --> 22:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately, I get the thought and I get people trying to
22:50 --> 22:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Think about the idea of clearing up some space in the rotation for Emerson, for Kade, et cetera.
22:56 --> 22:59 [SPEAKER_01]: But I just don't think you're going to find a trade partner here.
23:01 --> 23:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if the Orioles gave up on Kobe Mayo, if the Mariners ate all the money on Luis Castillo, maybe, because Kobe Mayo has been in the big leagues for a decent cup of coffee now and is not performed.
23:16 --> 23:26 [SPEAKER_02]: So in a scenario there where he's a right hand to hit a Orioles, pretty big and physical to the Mariners take a chance on him, but that's like still a pretty big stretch.
23:27 --> 23:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'd absolutely take a flyer on Kobe Mayo, but again, the Orioles are not going to eat that whole contract.
23:33 --> 23:45 [SPEAKER_02]: No, and there's too much control left of Kobe Mayo for a declining Luis Castillo in the rotation, which they could probably use the innings, and maybe Luis finds some new life there, but
23:46 --> 23:52 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't, I don't see a scenario how this works in its current predicament.
23:53 --> 24:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Luis is either going to have to pitch better or the Mariners are in a shocking turn of events or going to need to be totally okay eating every cent on Castillo's contract to trade a boy.
24:04 --> 24:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
24:05 --> 24:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Or dump prospects.
24:08 --> 24:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, it's a good question, and I fully fully understand the thought of trying to figure out how you're going to manage this rotation.
24:14 --> 24:19 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think it's going to be much tougher to pull this off than anyone could imagine.
24:19 --> 24:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I think there's some reason as to why Luis is still here.
24:22 --> 24:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure the Mariners at least entertain the idea of a trade, especially when that no trade clause expired in January.
24:29 --> 24:36 [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm going to guess that if they were fielding calls or trying to shop them around, they probably didn't like the packages they were here and back in return.
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27:49 --> 28:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Next question comes from Michael on Patreon, Michael's question is, we always talk about extending Logan Gilbert, but given what we've seen so far this year, would it be worth it more to extend George Kirby instead?
28:01 --> 28:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so.
28:05 --> 28:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Because, look, has Logan struggled to work deep into games over the last year and a half, sure.
28:11 --> 28:18 [SPEAKER_01]: And Kirby does have that advantage when he's healthy, as he is a little bit more efficient and has been when he's at his best.
28:19 --> 28:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Number one, I mean, Kirby still just doesn't really have an outpitch.
28:24 --> 28:27 [SPEAKER_01]: We're in year five, essentially, of the George Kirby experience.
28:28 --> 28:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And it is more or less of the same.
28:31 --> 28:35 [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't have huge strikeout numbers, something that does translate very well.
28:35 --> 28:37 [SPEAKER_01]: but he's never put that up.
28:38 --> 28:44 [SPEAKER_01]: In addition to, he just has always seen the least likely of the bunch to sign an extension.
28:45 --> 28:46 [SPEAKER_01]: You think about it, and you talk about it.
28:46 --> 28:49 [SPEAKER_01]: We heard the extension talks with Castillo when it happened.
28:49 --> 28:54 [SPEAKER_01]: You've heard a bunch of the smoke about extension talks between Logan and the Mariners, even if it hasn't happened.
28:55 --> 28:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't you think there's some reason you've heard nothing about it with Kirby?
29:00 --> 29:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like there is a reason, whether that's on Kirby side or whether that's on the Mariners side or whether it's mutual.
29:08 --> 29:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I think there's a reason you've heard the murmurs with Logan, you've heard the murmurs with Wu, it got done with Castillo, but you've never heard a peep with Kirby.
29:18 --> 29:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe it's mutual.
29:21 --> 29:23 [SPEAKER_02]: It could totally beat at its mutual.
29:24 --> 29:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Think about what Hembo said to us, right?
29:29 --> 29:31 [SPEAKER_01]: He compares George Kirby a lot to Eronola.
29:32 --> 29:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And those affiliates fan, he's watch Eronola for years.
29:35 --> 29:40 [SPEAKER_01]: They are very similar pictures where the stuff under the hood every year always looks really good.
29:41 --> 29:48 [SPEAKER_01]: But they are more strike throuers than strike creators, where Logan's a strike creator, Kirby's a strike throuer as a result when Logan's at his best.
29:48 --> 29:52 [SPEAKER_01]: He's closer to an ace, Kirby's more mid-rotation guy.
29:52 --> 29:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Aaron Nola had a year in his career where he was an eight-war pitcher.
29:55 --> 29:58 [SPEAKER_01]: He was phenomenal and he put everybody's jaw on the floor.
29:58 --> 30:07 [SPEAKER_01]: It wouldn't shock me for Kirby to have a year like that between the efficiency, between the strike throwing, between some of the stuff he has, sure, would it shock me for him to have one huge year?
30:08 --> 30:09 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
30:09 --> 30:13 [SPEAKER_01]: But Noah has never really repeated that or even come close to that year.
30:13 --> 30:22 [SPEAKER_01]: He's been good and he's made a couple of all star games, but he's never truly been a dominant ace the way he was not one year in 2018.
30:23 --> 30:25 [SPEAKER_01]: And Kirby feels a little bit like that.
30:28 --> 30:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Interesting to hear you bring that up because I was looking at Aaron Knowles page earlier.
30:32 --> 30:50 [SPEAKER_02]: The comparison from like a run prevention and from a strike out perspective is pretty similar between Knowla and Kirby But Knowla also had that season when he was 25 years old George Kirby right now is 28 right Aaron Knowla did that in his third season in major league baseball George is in his fourth
30:51 --> 30:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, I mean, Terrick Scooble got started a little bit late in terms of his dominance.
30:56 --> 30:58 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not impossible to have that type of year later on.
30:59 --> 31:08 [SPEAKER_01]: But the point is, the point is, Kirby feels to me more like somebody who could explode for us season, rather than that being a trend.
31:09 --> 31:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And because of that, I just don't think the Mariners
31:14 --> 31:23 [SPEAKER_01]: believe that all encompassing with the profile and all the speculation and belief that Kirby just wants to go back to New York once he's a free agent, that it makes a ton of sense.
31:23 --> 31:27 [SPEAKER_01]: We're Logan, whether it gets done or not, seems a little bit more open to it.
31:28 --> 31:36 [SPEAKER_02]: And if there's a very, there's a very solid chance the Mariners don't deem the price tag for George Kirby worth it.
31:36 --> 31:38 [SPEAKER_02]: So George Kirby knows what he might get on the open market.
31:39 --> 31:45 [SPEAKER_02]: For example, Mac of Eranola, when he saw an extension with the fill, he's got $172 million.
31:45 --> 31:47 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the extension price.
31:48 --> 31:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Free Asian price for George Kirby might be a little closer to a max freed, $218 million.
31:54 --> 31:57 [SPEAKER_02]: The Mariners are probably
31:58 --> 32:01 [SPEAKER_02]: with Kate Anderson and Ryan Sloan waiting in the wings.
32:02 --> 32:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Why are we spending that much money on someone who's really good?
32:05 --> 32:07 [SPEAKER_02]: But isn't great.
32:07 --> 32:10 [SPEAKER_02]: We have two pictures in the wings who could be great.
32:10 --> 32:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, hold up.
32:11 --> 32:13 [SPEAKER_01]: You think Kirby is going to get $218 million?
32:14 --> 32:15 [SPEAKER_01]: It's for agency.
32:15 --> 32:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Of course he can get that much.
32:17 --> 32:18 [SPEAKER_01]: He would have $40.
32:18 --> 32:20 [SPEAKER_01]: He would have $20 million a year.
32:20 --> 32:23 [SPEAKER_01]: He would have to have that huge year before he walks.
32:24 --> 32:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he could.
32:25 --> 32:28 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Max, Max Fried is a better pitcher than George Kirby.
32:28 --> 32:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Don't get me wrong, but it's not crazy to say George couldn't get $200 million.
32:34 --> 32:35 [SPEAKER_01]: In France, you didn't see?
32:35 --> 32:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Fried, Fried's nearly won some sirens.
32:39 --> 32:39 [SPEAKER_02]: I know.
32:40 --> 32:45 [SPEAKER_02]: The price for George will be somewhere between those two numbers, Lyle 172 and 218.
32:45 --> 32:50 [SPEAKER_02]: What's between there is about $200 million?
32:51 --> 32:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's that much.
32:52 --> 32:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like he's gonna be more in the 150-ish range.
32:58 --> 32:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
32:58 --> 33:01 [SPEAKER_02]: So, Aronola does have the benefit of signing a longer deal.
33:01 --> 33:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Aronola's deal is seven years.
33:03 --> 33:10 [SPEAKER_02]: George's case in free agency is gonna be 31 when he is first free agency year.
33:11 --> 33:16 [SPEAKER_02]: And if he signs a six year deal, he'll be pitching to his 37 or 36.
33:17 --> 33:21 [SPEAKER_02]: So he's not exactly, he's not going to be young when he's, when he's pitching there.
33:23 --> 33:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Regardless of what the actual number is, he's not going to be cheap and the mariners have two premier pitching prospects waiting in the wings that are much cheaper and could be better than George Kirby.
33:36 --> 33:36 [SPEAKER_02]: is.
33:37 --> 33:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And for all we know, they're going to draft more pitching in the next couple of years.
33:41 --> 33:48 [SPEAKER_02]: And we haven't even gotten to see anyone else really from this past draft class, develop as a starter.
33:48 --> 33:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Some of them are pretty high on that.
33:50 --> 33:51 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think is pitching this year.
33:51 --> 33:54 [SPEAKER_02]: I believe he's hurting out for the season as Griffin, he was there.
33:55 --> 33:59 [SPEAKER_02]: They're pretty high on him from everything we could tell on he's just not going to throw this here.
33:59 --> 34:03 [SPEAKER_02]: We probably won't
34:03 --> 34:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Dude, you know who's been really good early on.
34:06 --> 34:07 [SPEAKER_01]: You want to talk about this past draft class?
34:08 --> 34:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Mason Peters.
34:09 --> 34:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Now he's a high school.
34:10 --> 34:12 [SPEAKER_01]: He's a high school arm and he'll need time.
34:13 --> 34:14 [SPEAKER_01]: But you want to talk about another guy.
34:14 --> 34:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Peters through four starts in low-a's got a two-eight ERA as whips way under one.
34:20 --> 34:21 [SPEAKER_01]: He's been good.
34:23 --> 34:44 [SPEAKER_02]: So when push comes to shove, the Mariners are going to want to sign one or maybe two of their starters to extensions and you got to make a decision on what's once and George has George has actually shown the least upside in terms of like ERA and run prevention of all of them in the simplest terms.
34:45 --> 34:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the reporting over the offseason was telling and I think if the Mariners priorities were laid out and they made it public.
34:51 --> 34:59 [SPEAKER_01]: one, I think people could just put two and two together on their own, but if they're going to make it public, I bet you they'd say their priorities are low in Gilbert and Brian Wu.
35:01 --> 35:08 [SPEAKER_02]: When I said that last sentence, it rolls off the tongue funny because George Kirby has been a top 10 pitcher in F4 since he debuted.
35:10 --> 35:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, like Noah, like he'll rack up some of the numbers and a lot of the stuff under the hood.
35:15 --> 35:17 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll tell you, well, come the next year.
35:17 --> 35:18 [SPEAKER_01]: He's gonna just explode.
35:19 --> 35:25 [SPEAKER_01]: And it just never really happens, because again, at times he's just two in the strike zone.
35:25 --> 35:27 [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't get enough strikeouts.
35:28 --> 35:30 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, he doesn't get a ton of swing in this.
35:31 --> 35:32 [SPEAKER_01]: And that plays.
35:32 --> 35:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, I've said it a million times.
35:35 --> 35:40 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a reason Dylan C's got $200 plus million.
35:41 --> 36:04 [SPEAKER_01]: a lot, I was just, well, some people say you got too overpaid, but the reason he even got that deal in the first place is because the strikeouts are so enamoring and are believed to be such an upplay as this career goes on that they say the money's worth it because they're going to be years where because he strikes so many guys out he's just going to be flat out dominant, which he has been in years past.
36:05 --> 36:11 [SPEAKER_01]: It just ups your ceiling so much when you're a big strikeout pitcher and Kirby's just
36:12 --> 36:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Next question comes from Zander on Patreon, Zander's question is, what are some trade pieces you have your eyes on from supposed contender teams for him, it's Michael Garcia Lucas Ursig and Matt Strom from the Royals, you on Doron and I think Edmundo Sosa from the Phillies and then a oldest Chapman and Danny Colme from the Red Sox.
36:36 --> 36:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Danny Colme.
36:37 --> 36:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Danny Colme.
36:38 --> 36:39 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, close now.
36:40 --> 36:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Dude, if the fillies keep this up, we are absolutely going to be talking Joe on Doran again this summer.
36:45 --> 36:45 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no doubt.
36:46 --> 36:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Zero doubt in my mind.
36:49 --> 36:55 [SPEAKER_01]: It's weird with the fillies because of all the teams struggling that were supposed to be better between the Mets, the fillies, and the Red Sox.
36:55 --> 37:05 [SPEAKER_01]: The fillies are the ones that... My gut feels most confident about to turn it around because they're starting rotation is so good and they do have guys in that lineup that can just mash.
37:05 --> 37:13 [SPEAKER_01]: but it's weird at the same time, you'll look at that lineup these days and you get past Turner, Schworber, Harper.
37:13 --> 37:15 [SPEAKER_01]: It does really thin out.
37:16 --> 37:17 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not the same lineup it used to be.
37:18 --> 37:24 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's weird, if I had to put money on it, I would say the fillings turn this thing around, but,
37:24 --> 37:25 [SPEAKER_01]: It's far for a guarantee.
37:25 --> 37:27 [SPEAKER_01]: It wouldn't put a lot of money on it.
37:28 --> 37:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And if they do not turn it around, Joe on Durand, man, I mean, he's got a year and a half left on his deal.
37:33 --> 37:36 [SPEAKER_01]: You know the Mariners wanted him badly at the last deadline.
37:36 --> 37:37 [SPEAKER_01]: And they almost got him.
37:38 --> 37:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I am sure we're going to hear his name again.
37:41 --> 37:42 [SPEAKER_02]: The Phillies are selling.
37:42 --> 37:47 [SPEAKER_02]: He's not going to be very expensive because they got a lot of really old pieces.
37:47 --> 37:49 [SPEAKER_02]: that they need to flush off of the roster.
37:49 --> 37:50 [SPEAKER_02]: This is it.
37:50 --> 37:59 [SPEAKER_02]: If this is the classic Dumbarowski nose dive into the ground, that he'll resign from the fillies in the off season when he's when he's seen this through.
38:00 --> 38:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Duran won't be that expensive.
38:02 --> 38:03 [SPEAKER_02]: I'd my eyes on somebody else.
38:04 --> 38:06 [SPEAKER_02]: So Xander mentioned the red socks.
38:07 --> 38:09 [SPEAKER_02]: I know the Mariners need relievers.
38:10 --> 38:18 [SPEAKER_02]: What have Wilson contraris is available though at first base he has been one of the most consistent hitters in base bubble last half decade if not longer.
38:18 --> 38:21 [SPEAKER_02]: He fits the Mariners need of a right handed bat.
38:21 --> 38:24 [SPEAKER_02]: He makes $18 million this year.
38:24 --> 38:26 [SPEAKER_02]: He makes $17 million in 2027.
38:26 --> 38:30 [SPEAKER_02]: He has a $20 million team option in 2028.
38:30 --> 38:32 [SPEAKER_02]: He solves
38:33 --> 38:41 [SPEAKER_02]: pretty much everything the Mariners need the only knock on him is seems like bit of a diva and he's 34 this year and he's only going to get older.
38:42 --> 38:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
38:42 --> 38:42 [SPEAKER_02]: What do you think?
38:44 --> 38:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I be all four Wilson contraris.
38:47 --> 38:56 [SPEAKER_01]: They need right hand at bats and that guy over the last four five years is about as solid and productive and honestly that's probably lowballing it.
38:56 --> 39:02 [SPEAKER_01]: He has been as much of an offensive catalyst as you're often going to find out of a catcher in
39:02 --> 39:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Wilson can try us by year man you want to go through the numbers even just by OPS since 2022.
39:09 --> 39:19 [SPEAKER_01]: It's gone 815 826 848 791 last year which was still a 126 OPS plus a 26% above average and he's at 861 this year.
39:20 --> 39:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean he is a catalyst and every sense of the word.
39:24 --> 39:29 [SPEAKER_01]: It'll make your defense of alignment a little tough but if you want to get better offensively absolutely.
39:30 --> 39:34 [SPEAKER_02]: You're doing that if one of Rob Reft Snyder or Victor Robless is not on the roster anymore.
39:35 --> 39:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Because that's the spot.
39:36 --> 39:37 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
39:37 --> 39:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, don't you just do it regardless and figure it out?
39:43 --> 39:46 [SPEAKER_01]: If you trade for him, don't you make the move after that?
39:47 --> 39:49 [SPEAKER_01]: If you actually pull off a trade for him.
39:50 --> 39:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Then I think you'd say to, let's say Victor Robles, hey, there's just not a spot for you anymore.
39:55 --> 40:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I don't really care when it happens, but it would have to happen.
40:01 --> 40:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
40:02 --> 40:10 [SPEAKER_02]: You would need more right-handed production if this is the case, and you would get rid of the least productive of the two.
40:10 --> 40:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Now again, it makes your defense very interesting, because it may mean refs that are at the play more right field, which is an adventure.
40:19 --> 40:24 [SPEAKER_02]: More refs veteran right field, you couldn't take Randy out of left field and you can't take JP off of the infield in that case.
40:27 --> 40:32 [SPEAKER_02]: And unless you want a DH Josh Nailer, or you want to put contraris at a different offense of position.
40:32 --> 40:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, and then where does Donovan go?
40:35 --> 40:44 [SPEAKER_01]: because if Colts gonna be playing third eventually, I don't know, like they may have to shuffle some things around, but I am still down for Wilson Contrast.
40:44 --> 40:53 [SPEAKER_02]: It'd be a good problem to have, even if you have Donovan getting some more off days, you can cycle your roster through a little bit more with more guys getting days off.
40:53 --> 40:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Your roster's a little bit deeper, your lineup's a little bit deeper.
40:58 --> 41:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, or maybe, or maybe I'll get hurt between now and then two, which makes this decision a lot easier.
41:03 --> 41:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Or maybe Ref's that is just a bench bat if you end up getting Wilson contraris, which is fine.
41:07 --> 41:09 [SPEAKER_01]: When you need him against lefties, that's his role.
41:10 --> 41:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Wilson contraris.
41:12 --> 41:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
41:13 --> 41:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
41:13 --> 41:14 [SPEAKER_02]: He's willing to line up every day.
41:15 --> 41:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
41:15 --> 41:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, it will be on the mariners to decide if they want to bring him into the organization into the clubhouse, because, yeah, as well as a contraris,
41:26 --> 41:28 [SPEAKER_01]: but you know he's going to make your team better.
41:28 --> 41:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Be get him out of the national league and all the pictures he doesn't like.
41:32 --> 41:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Well that's true, most of the things he doesn't like the Brewers, he doesn't like the Brewers.
41:37 --> 41:38 [SPEAKER_02]: That we know.
41:40 --> 41:41 [SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't like, I don't think you like.
41:43 --> 41:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Does he like his old teams?
41:44 --> 41:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Does he like the Cubs and the Cardinals still?
41:47 --> 41:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to say no.
41:49 --> 41:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Well great, you're not going to see those guys in the world series.
41:51 --> 41:52 [SPEAKER_01]: You'll see the Dodgers.
41:53 --> 41:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Perfect.
41:55 --> 42:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Now Wilson, you could just channel that energy into disliking the Houston Astros, which is just like everyone else.
42:01 --> 42:04 [SPEAKER_01]: It's fine, they'll be irrelevant by the time the Mariners trade for him.
42:04 --> 42:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Dude, they look terrible.
42:07 --> 42:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Last place, not another question for them.
42:09 --> 42:13 [SPEAKER_01]: No, by the way, I do think I need to circle back to one thing before we move on to the next question.
42:14 --> 42:16 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't think Joe on to round would be expensive.
42:16 --> 42:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he is dialing it up right now with a year and a half in control.
42:20 --> 42:23 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I don't think he would be.
42:24 --> 42:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, not as expensive as last year because there's a year knocked off his service clock, but man is even good if you had to trade So the cost last year was Mick Abel and and tight the catcher one top two top one hundred prospects.
42:40 --> 42:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they think tights got a chance to be a stud offensive.
42:43 --> 42:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
42:43 --> 42:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I'm sure they do.
42:45 --> 42:53 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think with a year off his service time that he needs you need to give up a stud to get him as a reliever.
42:55 --> 43:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Las mantas and Griffin Hugus maybe I was going to say if they want more upside I love the guy huge friend of the podcast Uh, make you bigger like a toolsy young kid It's possible I hope not because again, that's he's one of our guys, but I get it if you're just talking about trade perspective
43:17 --> 43:19 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it's going to cost that much.
43:19 --> 43:23 [SPEAKER_02]: The Mariners package last year was Harry Ford and X.
43:23 --> 43:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Now I think the Mariners could trade him Harry Ford for him right now.
43:26 --> 43:30 [SPEAKER_02]: We do have a Harry Ford question in here, so I don't want to get dived too much into that one.
43:31 --> 43:33 [SPEAKER_02]: But no, I don't think it would cost quite as much.
43:34 --> 43:34 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it would be.
43:34 --> 43:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Remember we were talking about we're complaining about how expensive those two relievers were at the deadline last year.
43:42 --> 43:43 [SPEAKER_02]: that's not going to be the case with him this year.
43:43 --> 43:44 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't care how good he is.
43:45 --> 43:53 [SPEAKER_02]: If the fillies think they can stand like stand on business and just keep them, it just be roster mismanagement at that point.
43:53 --> 43:58 [SPEAKER_02]: If they continue to suck at that point, because their roster is not built for a sustainable future.
44:00 --> 44:04 [SPEAKER_01]: And the one other guy I've thrown out there and it will probably continue to throw them out there, Taylor Ward.
44:05 --> 44:10 [SPEAKER_01]: If your deadline ends up being Taylor Ward and Joe on to ran, you're going to be in a really
44:12 --> 44:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Graham's question, a Graham on Patreon as a question, Graham's question is, he still thinks we have some bullpen issues from this weekend, while do you feel watching the Mariners on this road trip that the issues continue?
44:29 --> 44:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if Matt Brash is down, that's an issue.
44:31 --> 44:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Does that factor into this?
44:33 --> 44:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
44:36 --> 44:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, that wouldn't be great.
44:37 --> 44:40 [SPEAKER_01]: It sounded like it wasn't all that serious.
44:40 --> 44:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Then again, the Mariners have downplayed every injury literally ever.
44:44 --> 44:49 [SPEAKER_01]: So I guess we're gonna need to wait until at least Friday to find out what the actual status of Brash is.
44:49 --> 44:54 [SPEAKER_01]: But, I mean, I thought the bullpen looked better on this road trip.
44:54 --> 44:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought Muno's looked a lot sharper.
44:56 --> 44:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Gabe gave up a run on Wednesday that again.
44:58 --> 45:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't really think was his fault.
45:00 --> 45:06 [SPEAKER_01]: He had to come in cold because Brash went out of the game and then J.P. misplayed a ball that ended up giving up a run.
45:08 --> 45:12 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I mean, I look, they need more leverage arms at the deadline.
45:12 --> 45:13 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no doubt.
45:13 --> 45:16 [SPEAKER_01]: But the bullpen itself for how it's structured right now.
45:16 --> 45:18 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought they were, I thought they were all right on this trip.
45:19 --> 45:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Short-term I'll say they're okay, long-term still a little worried.
45:23 --> 45:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Just how they match up in series.
45:26 --> 45:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, this is what I would say.
45:28 --> 45:32 [SPEAKER_02]: And if fresh is out, then I'm not okay with the current state of the bullpen.
45:33 --> 45:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Because then there's just not enough talent in the Mariners bullpen.
45:36 --> 45:37 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think.
45:37 --> 45:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Graham to answer your question if this is a more long term outlook absolutely they need at least one more lever jar there's no doubt about it but just in terms of how they pitch on the road trip I thought they were pretty solid
45:51 --> 45:54 [SPEAKER_02]: And let me plug this now because I'm guessing a lot of he goes on the I.L.
45:54 --> 45:55 [SPEAKER_02]: We will be doing a video about this.
45:56 --> 46:12 [SPEAKER_02]: If you've not been paying attention to our social channels, we've been partnered up with Lake Washington Physical Therapy this year to do some Mariners injury breakdowns from a PT perspective and how the injuries impact the players.
46:12 --> 46:13 [SPEAKER_02]: I think they're super interesting.
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46:20 --> 46:21 [SPEAKER_02]: This could be a scenario.
46:21 --> 46:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Bryce goes on the IL for us to do a video break down or Brett, yeah, brash goes on the IL.
46:28 --> 46:30 [SPEAKER_02]: to for us to do a video on this.
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46:57 --> 47:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Next question comes from Alex on Patreon, Alex's question is, on a scale of one to Austin, Noah, how are you guys rating the Harry Ford Jose Ferrer trade one month into the season?
47:11 --> 47:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Through a month, I mean, six, maybe a seven.
47:18 --> 47:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Harry Ford has not been good at all.
47:20 --> 47:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he is struggling in AAA.
47:23 --> 47:27 [SPEAKER_01]: He didn't even make the nationals roster out of spring training.
47:27 --> 47:31 [SPEAKER_01]: with a team that had an awful catching tandem last year.
47:31 --> 47:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he was brought in to sort of have the chance to be that guy and not only did he not make the nationals roster out of camp, but team that's not even competing, but he's struggling in AAA.
47:45 --> 47:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Jose Ferrer has been perfect.
47:47 --> 47:48 [SPEAKER_01]: He's had his outings where he's been shaky.
47:48 --> 47:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't get me wrong.
47:50 --> 47:52 [SPEAKER_01]: but there's been a lot of positive with Jose for air.
47:53 --> 47:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's not getting hit hard.
47:55 --> 47:58 [SPEAKER_01]: He's getting a ton of soft barrels.
47:59 --> 48:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Like he's done a lot of well.
48:01 --> 48:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Listen to this line for Harry Ford and Triple A.
48:04 --> 48:11 [SPEAKER_02]: He's slashing 294-494-OPS, a 49-WRC-plus.
48:12 --> 48:13 [SPEAKER_02]: That's not.
48:13 --> 48:14 [SPEAKER_02]: That is not great.
48:14 --> 48:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Harry Ford's stock.
48:16 --> 48:18 [SPEAKER_02]: has been plummeting and it's unfortunate.
48:19 --> 48:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, but given that the Mariners got Jose for air for Harry Ford in the off season, if Harry was doing this into coma for the Mariners right now, uh, they could not get Jose for air in the trade.
48:31 --> 48:34 [SPEAKER_02]: So maybe it's not quite awesome, but I'm with you.
48:34 --> 48:35 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like a six or seven.
48:37 --> 48:37 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's right.
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50:23 --> 50:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Kate on Patreon asks, I know it was brought up quite a lot this off season, but it really seems like a different early season, Julio than we've seen in previous years, what
50:36 --> 50:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Since that first week and a half of the year, he's been awesome.
50:39 --> 50:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's hit the ball hard, he's not striking out.
50:45 --> 50:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Usually, Julio, through the month of April, kind of will be a little bit sluggish through it.
50:50 --> 50:55 [SPEAKER_01]: We know he's not a fast starter, but that hasn't been the case after the first week and a half of the season.
50:56 --> 50:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, the numbers as a whole in April aren't otherworldly.
50:59 --> 51:02 [SPEAKER_01]: It's only been about a 98 WRC plus.
51:03 --> 51:04 [SPEAKER_01]: But,
51:04 --> 51:09 [SPEAKER_01]: You look since you tweeted it out today, since the middle of May, since May, or middle of May.
51:09 --> 51:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Middle April, April 13th, he's at 135.
51:13 --> 51:20 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that is about as good a stretch as he's ever had in April.
51:21 --> 51:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Pretty good, you'll take a 127 in August.
51:24 --> 51:25 [SPEAKER_02]: If that's what Julio's gonna do then.
51:25 --> 51:28 [SPEAKER_02]: The only thing he's really missing is power.
51:28 --> 51:28 [SPEAKER_02]: That's it.
51:29 --> 51:34 [SPEAKER_02]: It's power and defense, who would've thought Julio Rodriguez is not hitting for power and not playing defense early on in the season.
51:35 --> 51:37 [SPEAKER_02]: But that's why there's five months of the season left.
51:37 --> 51:39 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm, I'm in fine with how Julio's play.
51:39 --> 51:45 [SPEAKER_02]: We can gripe about his defense, but I don't think, while maybe you agree with me on this, his defense hasn't cost them a game.
51:45 --> 51:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Has it?
51:46 --> 51:58 [SPEAKER_01]: No, and again, that's why it's so interesting because off the eye test, there's nothing that's really jumped out that says, oh, this looks significantly worse than every other year, but the metrics just say they are.
51:58 --> 52:02 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I don't think his defenses cost them a game, not off the eye test.
52:02 --> 52:05 [SPEAKER_02]: But my eyes have also told me his offense has been good this season.
52:05 --> 52:06 [SPEAKER_02]: He's been making more contact.
52:06 --> 52:08 [SPEAKER_02]: The only thing he's not doing is hitting for power.
52:09 --> 52:11 [SPEAKER_02]: So, K to answer your question, I feel pretty good.
52:12 --> 52:18 [SPEAKER_02]: If this is the floor of Julio's 2026 season, this might be his best offense of Yerviz career.
52:19 --> 52:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Might, Keyword, might be the best offense of Yerviz career.
52:22 --> 52:24 [SPEAKER_02]: He's still got to escalate a little bit more.
52:24 --> 52:26 [SPEAKER_02]: He's still got to improve as the season goes on.
52:27 --> 52:28 [SPEAKER_02]: But that's the right now in April.
52:28 --> 52:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Give him what we've seen.
52:30 --> 52:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, feel pretty good.
52:31 --> 52:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Great, yeah, it's been good.
52:34 --> 52:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Next question is just for you, Lyle.
52:37 --> 52:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Nick on Patreon asks, one prediction for Jared Kellenix performance against the Mariners about two weeks from now.
52:46 --> 52:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's funny.
52:47 --> 52:56 [SPEAKER_01]: They'll be in Chicago next weekend, but then in another in another close enough at the schedule, but then in another week and a half, they'll play them at home.
52:56 --> 52:59 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, they're going to see a lot of white socks in the next couple of weeks here.
53:00 --> 53:01 [SPEAKER_02]: So a lot of Jared Colnick.
53:02 --> 53:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Man.
53:06 --> 53:11 [SPEAKER_01]: So when he played against the Mariners in that series, when he was with the Braves, he didn't really do anything crazy in that series.
53:12 --> 53:13 [SPEAKER_01]: This one could be different.
53:13 --> 53:14 [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to see him more times.
53:14 --> 53:18 [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to get him, you know, if he's still up in the next few weeks, six different games.
53:19 --> 53:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Any chance he just torches him late in the game?
53:21 --> 53:25 [SPEAKER_02]: I would be totally okay with the Jared Calna Comron.
53:26 --> 53:28 [SPEAKER_01]: No, it would be pretty funny.
53:28 --> 53:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Come on.
53:29 --> 53:31 [SPEAKER_02]: It would be really funny if Jared Calna could a home run.
53:32 --> 53:35 [SPEAKER_02]: I want to give a shout out to Jared, too, by the way, earning himself this promotion.
53:36 --> 53:42 [SPEAKER_02]: We talked about him on the Mega Mailbag when he was off to just a horrendous start to the season in Triple A Charlotte for the White Sox.
53:43 --> 53:53 [SPEAKER_02]: But ever since that point, Lyle, Jared Kelnick has slashed 263-408-632 with a 156-WRC plus and he's walking 20% of the time.
53:55 --> 53:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Dude, you know that brings a smile to my face.
53:58 --> 53:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Good for you, Jared.
53:59 --> 53:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Seriously.
54:00 --> 54:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that would every bit of sincerity.
54:02 --> 54:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm happy.
54:02 --> 54:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm really happy for him.
54:03 --> 54:09 [SPEAKER_01]: And I hope when he gets up, I hope when he gets up this time, that things start to click for him.
54:10 --> 54:19 [SPEAKER_02]: The only two options for Marin or fans, I believe, are going to be either he hits a home run or he strikes out all weekend, both weekends.
54:19 --> 54:20 [SPEAKER_02]: or both both series.
54:21 --> 54:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, and not just one home run, he either needs to go about over 12 with 10 strikeouts in each series, or he needs to absolutely torch them.
54:30 --> 54:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Come on, like, you say one home run.
54:32 --> 54:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Could you imagine if he did the delater and he hit four home runs in a series against them?
54:38 --> 54:39 [SPEAKER_02]: That would be so funny.
54:41 --> 54:44 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I mean, if he had a walk off home run against them in Chicago.
54:45 --> 54:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Dude, I mean,
54:47 --> 54:50 [SPEAKER_01]: We talk about Mariners' Twitter being a cesspool plenty.
54:50 --> 54:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Can you imagine if he hits a walkoff home or against the M's?
54:56 --> 55:05 [SPEAKER_02]: That would be like the one walkoff home run I would actually look and laugh, watching watching the opposing team celebrate on the field.
55:05 --> 55:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, because you would have lost to Jared Kalnik and the Chicago White Sox on a walkoff home.
55:18 --> 55:20 [SPEAKER_01]: No, that would have been kind of crazy.
55:20 --> 55:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, or I guess Cole Phillips either.
55:22 --> 55:23 [SPEAKER_01]: It's even still with the Mariners.
55:24 --> 55:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if he is.
55:25 --> 55:26 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a good question.
55:26 --> 55:27 [SPEAKER_01]: We haven't seen him in the big leagues.
55:27 --> 55:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, he got another Tommy John, I think.
55:29 --> 55:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Or another season ending surgery last year.
55:32 --> 55:35 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think he's close.
55:35 --> 55:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Ah, baseball references.
55:36 --> 55:42 [SPEAKER_02]: He, I mean, baseball reference still hasn't been a Mariners cap, but I don't think he's.
55:43 --> 55:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, for those who don't know, Cole Phillips was the other prospect that he was traded for.
55:47 --> 55:51 [SPEAKER_01]: He came off in injury when they traded for him, and I think there was injury concerned.
55:51 --> 55:53 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, anyway.
55:54 --> 55:56 [SPEAKER_01]: It will be very fascinating to see.
55:56 --> 56:13 [SPEAKER_01]: We won't go through the whole story again, but again, if you go back to our mega mailbag episode, we spent a good chunk of time talking about them because he was off to this top star and we kind of hinted that we had heard a lot about KELMIC and some things behind the scenes over the years and some people were curious about it.
56:14 --> 56:18 [SPEAKER_01]: And the two long don't read version, I'll just say here again, is people failed him.
56:19 --> 56:20 [SPEAKER_01]: His dad sounded like an asshole.
56:20 --> 56:24 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners completely mishandled his development.
56:25 --> 56:26 [SPEAKER_01]: a lot of people failed him.
56:27 --> 56:34 [SPEAKER_01]: If you want to hear more in detail about it, you can go back to our mega mail bag episode where we probably spent 10, 15 minutes at the start of that thing, talking all about them.
56:35 --> 56:38 [SPEAKER_01]: But what I just highlighted there is the too long don't read version.
56:39 --> 56:50 [SPEAKER_02]: To close out this mail bag, Lyle Jordan on Instagram wants to know if Brash goes on the injured list should Luis go to the pen and Katie Anderson get called up or what do you do to replace Matt Brash?
56:52 --> 56:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if it would be with a move like that.
56:54 --> 56:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Because even if Brash hits the IL, I don't think it'd be very long.
56:57 --> 56:59 [SPEAKER_01]: It seems like it'd be.
56:59 --> 57:05 [SPEAKER_01]: maybe a couple weeks, that doesn't feel like a scenario where Kate Anderson's getting the call up.
57:05 --> 57:09 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're calling up, Kate, it's probably going to be a move where it feels much more permanent.
57:10 --> 57:12 [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't think you call up, Kate.
57:13 --> 57:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, I don't think Louise is going to the bullpen in May.
57:15 --> 57:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I think when this thing's all said and done, you're going to see them on the fan of I.L.
57:21 --> 57:24 [SPEAKER_01]: That's been our prediction for a while, and we're going to stand by that.
57:24 --> 57:26 [SPEAKER_01]: but who replaces brash?
57:26 --> 57:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it'll just be somebody in Tacoma.
57:28 --> 57:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's Zuluetta.
57:30 --> 57:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, maybe it'd be somebody like Troy Taylor.
57:34 --> 57:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Somebody like that.
57:36 --> 57:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Zuluetta was actually pretty impressive at spring training.
57:39 --> 57:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought he had a chance to get that last bullpen spot over like a meaner at first.
57:43 --> 57:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't be shocked if it was him.
57:45 --> 57:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, what are the other options?
57:46 --> 57:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Is there anyone else that you didn't mention?
57:48 --> 57:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, you could always call back up Casey Lawrence.
57:54 --> 58:22 [SPEAKER_01]: but he's there to be a long reliever spot starter he's I don't think that's not the brash role honestly again if you want to talk about a right-handed reliever with some decent stuff it feels like zooletto would be the guy yeah yeah i'm looking down the rest of this rest of this roster there is there's not much he call a brandy dobb now oh you know he's starting so i wouldn't work well i guess they well or they just sent co-well cocks back right maybe be
58:23 --> 58:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's possible.
58:25 --> 58:26 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll give Troy Taylor this.
58:26 --> 58:28 [SPEAKER_02]: He has not been terrible this year.
58:28 --> 58:32 [SPEAKER_02]: He's got a three, three, eight year A problem with Troy Taylor.
58:32 --> 58:36 [SPEAKER_02]: He's got a whip of one six, which is a lot.
58:36 --> 58:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
58:38 --> 58:39 [SPEAKER_01]: So wait am I crazy?
58:41 --> 58:41 [SPEAKER_01]: What am I saying?
58:42 --> 58:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Coal Cox wasn't sent back was he?
58:46 --> 58:46 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
58:46 --> 58:49 [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, I don't remember him getting sent back.
58:49 --> 58:51 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, I'm I'm talking crazy talk.
58:51 --> 58:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.
58:52 --> 58:56 [SPEAKER_01]: No, it'd be do at a I think a long week guys give us a break.
58:57 --> 58:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh-huh.
58:58 --> 58:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
58:59 --> 59:00 [SPEAKER_02]: No, but it might you're right.
59:00 --> 59:04 [SPEAKER_02]: It might be Zulu at a or Troy Taylor, probably those are probably the two options.
59:04 --> 59:28 [SPEAKER_01]: especially since I don't think the brash injury if he even has to hit the aisle again we'll find out more this weekend but if he had to hit the aisle it feels like it would just be somebody that probably call up from AAA and at least with relievers if brash needs to rest for three days they don't have to make a move sure yeah yeah i think that's right nothing nothing they haven't done before
59:30 --> 59:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Has Michael Rucker been, oh no, no, sorry.
59:33 --> 59:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm thinking of, oh, he actually has been good.
59:35 --> 59:40 [SPEAKER_01]: He's got any area of, oh, eight, but I don't know if you get the call or not.
59:40 --> 59:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, it'll be, it'll be somebody, but I don't think it would be Kate Anderson.
59:45 --> 59:47 [SPEAKER_02]: I'd love to see Troy Taylor get another chance.
59:48 --> 59:54 [SPEAKER_02]: This is just like a different Troy Taylor than the Mariners got introduced to in the 2024 season.
59:54 --> 59:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Right, bummer.
59:55 --> 59:57 [SPEAKER_02]: I know, it is too bad.
59:58 --> 59:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, good stuff.
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