Lyle and TJ break down all the storylines from the Mariners nightmare sweep against the Royals . They got over all three games (10:41), then discuss Cal Raleigh's injury (38:21), Julio Rodriguez's puzzling defense (48:13), and J.P. Crawford at shortstop (56:23).
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00:00 --> 00:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to episode number 398 of the Marine Lair podcast.
00:03 --> 00:08 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners are swept at home by the Kansas City Royals and play their worst series of the season.
00:08 --> 00:09 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll react to all of it.
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00:39 --> 00:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's get
00:53 --> 00:58 [SPEAKER_01]: And we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Lair, a podcast part of the Just Baseball podcast network.
00:58 --> 01:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Recording here on Sunday evening May 3rd.
01:01 --> 01:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not kidding, Lyle.
01:03 --> 01:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that was the worst I've seen from them this season.
01:05 --> 01:08 [SPEAKER_01]: That sucked this weekend.
01:09 --> 01:10 [SPEAKER_00]: What do you mean you think?
01:10 --> 01:19 [SPEAKER_00]: It was the trotis of pathetic brutal series, basically across the board, aside from our guy Emerson Hancock.
01:19 --> 01:25 [SPEAKER_01]: So let's actually, let's get a one positive thing out of the way first, and then we can talk about the rest of it.
01:25 --> 01:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Shout out fucking Emerson Hancock, man.
01:28 --> 01:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And also, what is it with Mariners' pictures on like honorary nights, getting fucked over?
01:36 --> 01:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, to have it a curvy a few years ago, I remember he went nine innings and they lost nine innings.
01:42 --> 01:49 [SPEAKER_01]: You went, was it nine shut out innings against an elite Orioles offense, but the Mariners also got shut off for nine innings and then lost in extras.
01:50 --> 01:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because somebody scored in the tenth for the Orioles and then Felix Bautista came in and that was that.
01:56 --> 02:02 [SPEAKER_01]: So ever since I got the same fucking treatment on Saturday night except I'm gonna say it was worse But we'll get to that.
02:03 --> 02:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's start off with Emerson How cool is that for him to get?
02:07 --> 02:17 [SPEAKER_01]: 14 strikeouts in a game Someone like tap as we're walking around the ballpark on Saturday and someone like goes like
02:18 --> 02:24 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like taps on the shoulder because I'm not like, when we're at the game, I don't have the box score pulled up all the time, so I don't see like the totals.
02:25 --> 02:29 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, can you see Emerson is 12 strikeouts, six innings?
02:30 --> 02:31 [SPEAKER_01]: What?
02:32 --> 02:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we knew he was having a good night and we knew he was missing some bats, but I don't think a register that he was at 12 punges and then we're like, oh, and then he gets another and then he gets another, and then he got the last guy to pop out to end the seven.
02:45 --> 02:47 [SPEAKER_00]: So honestly, I've never said it's kind of on you.
02:47 --> 02:48 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not really good enough.
02:48 --> 03:01 [SPEAKER_00]: He couldn't match Felix with a 15 strike out now and I partly say that because Look we love Emerson ever since art like we root our tails off for him forever and always
03:02 --> 03:14 [SPEAKER_00]: One thing we've learned about him is, and this is a credit and testament to him, he very, very much puts all the emphasis on team team team, even when he's thriving, no matter what.
03:14 --> 03:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Like we've tried to gas him up a little bit before, it'd be like, dude, you're shoving, you're pitching great, this has been awesome, and he's very, like, teams playing really well, or, you know,
03:25 --> 03:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I felt like I felt good, arm feels good, things like that.
03:28 --> 03:31 [SPEAKER_01]: He's just very much calcled to great came back there.
03:31 --> 03:34 [SPEAKER_00]: He very, very much likes to deflect it.
03:34 --> 03:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I honestly think if he had to pick, he'd rather hear critiques than praise.
03:39 --> 03:40 [SPEAKER_00]: So you know what, Emerson?
03:41 --> 03:43 [SPEAKER_00]: You got 14, you couldn't get 15, honestly it's sad.
03:45 --> 03:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Listen to this, Lyle.
03:47 --> 03:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Emerson Hancock, joins George Kirby, Mark Langston, and Randy Johnson as the only Mariners pitcher in history.
03:53 --> 03:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Mariners pitcher's in history with 14 strikeouts and no walks.
03:58 --> 03:59 [SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty good group.
03:59 --> 04:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely dominant.
04:01 --> 04:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Could you imagine a year ago saying Emerson Hancock was going to punch out 14 battles in a game?
04:06 --> 04:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, he wouldn't have done it because what Emerson Hancock had done in his first three seasons as a mariner is he couldn't strike guys out.
04:15 --> 04:16 [SPEAKER_01]: He didn't have strike out pitches.
04:17 --> 04:18 [SPEAKER_01]: He was pitching a contact.
04:18 --> 04:21 [SPEAKER_01]: He was trying to get groundballs wasn't getting a ton of success.
04:21 --> 04:25 [SPEAKER_01]: But you can see what this fastball is doing for him this year.
04:26 --> 04:28 [SPEAKER_01]: It is, it is a world of difference for him.
04:28 --> 04:31 [SPEAKER_01]: The fact he got 11 swings and
04:31 --> 04:53 [SPEAKER_01]: On Saturday night on this fastball just hammering the top of the zone with 95 to 96 miles an hour And guys are just going right over it right or sorry right under it over and over and over and he could just keep going back and back and back to the well And he he crossed it man 14 strikeouts for Emerson Hancock
04:53 --> 04:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Crazy happy for him.
04:56 --> 05:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Could not be more fired up for him Jenny you threw this out there Let's get this man if I can fill it out yet this right screw the good story screw staying in the rotation Get this man fucking fill it out via for the all-star game cuz right now He is the Mariners best pitcher.
05:11 --> 05:12 [SPEAKER_00]: So get him there
05:12 --> 05:35 [SPEAKER_00]: like we're starting the campaign today and we're gonna stay on that train the next two months get Emerson to Philly man and i'm sorry for anybody that misinterpreted my tweet i thought it was clear as day somehow there were people in my comments that legitimately thought that when i said get Emerson to Philly that they thought i wanted to trade them it's like um it's like i don't want Bryce Harper back he's washed now
05:36 --> 05:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Have you followed one second of our podcast, if anything, you know that we would never ever trade Emerson Hancock.
05:43 --> 05:47 [SPEAKER_00]: This is like the absolutely ideal scenario for us, for him.
05:47 --> 05:48 [SPEAKER_00]: It's been amazing.
05:49 --> 05:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, when I say get him to fill it, get him to the All Star Game Man, because it's now not crazy.
05:54 --> 05:58 [SPEAKER_00]: When you get to May, all star ballots are about to come out.
05:58 --> 06:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Voting is going to start here in the next couple of weeks.
06:01 --> 06:05 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not crazy all this sudden to say that he could get his name into the
06:05 --> 06:07 [SPEAKER_00]: into the game, it's not at all.
06:09 --> 06:12 [SPEAKER_01]: But also like dead serious, he is the Mariners best pitcher right now.
06:12 --> 06:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Correct.
06:12 --> 06:16 [SPEAKER_01]: It's no longer like an if ander but like Tim.
06:17 --> 06:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, there's no doubt on the board.
06:19 --> 06:23 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like Brian Lewis had back to back really bit, not good starts.
06:24 --> 06:28 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that puts Emerson Hankock at the front of the rotation right now for me.
06:28 --> 06:29 [SPEAKER_00]: He has been awesome.
06:29 --> 06:34 [SPEAKER_00]: He has been deadly, get the man to fill a, again, we're starting the campaign.
06:34 --> 06:42 [SPEAKER_00]: We do need to move on to some other story through the weekend that are not as positive, but while we're on the conversation, can I just do this for one minute here?
06:42 --> 06:44 [SPEAKER_00]: We're all while we're on the Emerson talk.
06:44 --> 06:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
06:45 --> 06:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Luis is done.
06:47 --> 06:47 [SPEAKER_00]: He's the odd man out.
06:48 --> 06:49 [SPEAKER_00]: No ifans are butts about it.
06:50 --> 06:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I've said it for weeks, but after what we saw this weekend, there's absolutely no questions.
06:54 --> 06:58 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners let Luis stay in the rotation and take somebody else out if there's no injuries.
06:58 --> 06:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Now practice.
07:00 --> 07:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I have a hard time seeing how he does.
07:02 --> 07:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like the Mariners are in your boat with this.
07:05 --> 07:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I think they are.
07:06 --> 07:09 [SPEAKER_00]: There's no other option, man.
07:10 --> 07:13 [SPEAKER_00]: You can put a week on the fan of my L or figure something else out.
07:14 --> 07:17 [SPEAKER_00]: There's just no argument to this at this point.
07:17 --> 07:18 [SPEAKER_00]: There just isn't.
07:19 --> 07:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's why I think they will make the right decision.
07:22 --> 07:25 [SPEAKER_01]: And if they don't, then everybody is gonna be pissed.
07:25 --> 07:29 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not just like a section of the fan base who loves Emerson Hancock.
07:29 --> 07:40 [SPEAKER_01]: No, everybody, because this has been a subject across every podcast, every talk radio show, every Reddit thread, every Twitter thread, all over the place.
07:40 --> 07:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone can see it.
07:41 --> 07:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, even castio today while like he looked better.
07:44 --> 07:48 [SPEAKER_01]: He looked better today than he did in Minnesota Still wasn't good enough.
07:48 --> 07:57 [SPEAKER_01]: He still allowed four runs over six innings his era for the season is now six point three Not good
07:57 --> 08:00 [SPEAKER_01]: So even when he was throwing harder, still wasn't effective enough.
08:00 --> 08:06 [SPEAKER_01]: He didn't trust his off-speed pitch as enough today to do anything less than throw nearly 70% fastballs.
08:06 --> 08:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And his fastballs ended up getting hit pretty hard when the Royals did end up making contact.
08:11 --> 08:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, there were points where Luis did look pretty good today in the game.
08:16 --> 08:25 [SPEAKER_01]: But at the end of the day, like, Kestio allowed four runs and the Royals tagged him for an average eggs of loss against Kestio to have 95 miles an hour.
08:26 --> 08:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Hard contact after hard contact after hard contact.
08:29 --> 08:31 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not going to work.
08:31 --> 08:36 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're trying to spend on anything for Luis after he goes six and four, that's your problem right there.
08:36 --> 08:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
08:37 --> 08:40 [SPEAKER_00]: When six and four is an improvement, there's your issue.
08:40 --> 08:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
08:42 --> 08:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's much of a discussion at this point.
08:44 --> 08:50 [SPEAKER_01]: They are going to let Bryce, honestly, again, I think they're going to let Bryce go as long as he wants on his rehab.
08:51 --> 08:54 [SPEAKER_01]: So they're going to kick the can down the road, but the decision I think has been made.
08:54 --> 08:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I think they know what they're doing.
08:56 --> 08:59 [SPEAKER_00]: If everybody's healthy, you know what you have to do.
08:59 --> 09:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, Bryce Miller is throwing as hard as he ever has done on his rehab assignment.
09:04 --> 09:14 [SPEAKER_01]: So, if Bryce Miller is going to be throwing 98 miles an hour, the season unexpected pretty good version of Bryce Miller, a healthy, confident version of Bryce Miller, it's pretty dang good.
09:14 --> 09:16 [SPEAKER_01]: That fastball really plays when he's throwing hard.
09:17 --> 09:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
09:17 --> 09:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't see, I don't see the justification for Luis Castillo, and I think even today, in one of his best forms, just didn't have it, it's not good enough, for the amount of pictures they have available to them.
09:28 --> 09:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
09:28 --> 09:28 [SPEAKER_01]: A great.
09:30 --> 09:32 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, what else do we want to talk about this weekend?
09:34 --> 09:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, well, I have a couple of suggestions.
09:36 --> 09:37 [SPEAKER_01]: You let me know what you'd rather do.
09:38 --> 09:54 [SPEAKER_01]: We can either go game by game and talk about our frustrations in that order or I can pull up the caption of a reaction that we did after the get after the series today where we listed out every single thing that was bad this series.
09:54 --> 09:55 [SPEAKER_01]: What, what, what, what's do you prefer?
09:56 --> 09:57 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what, honestly?
09:58 --> 09:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Let me do this.
09:59 --> 10:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to read the caption from our series reaction today as essentially a table of contents.
10:05 --> 10:10 [SPEAKER_00]: You guys are going to hear a table of contents and then we're going to go through the weekend Friday through Saturday through Sunday.
10:11 --> 10:13 [SPEAKER_00]: But here's what you can expect throughout this episode.
10:13 --> 10:15 [SPEAKER_00]: We're talking about the Mariners series against the Royals.
10:15 --> 10:32 [SPEAKER_00]: lack of offense, thin bullpen, metal mistakes, bad starts from two of the three starters, Dan Wilson's decision making, sloppy defense, Julio's defense, carved up by a lefty yet again, Cal Rowling now being injured and ultimately slept by a team that entered the weekend in last place.
10:34 --> 10:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Second, I'd say that's atrocious.
10:39 --> 10:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I would agree with you.
10:40 --> 10:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Alright, so let's start on Friday.
10:42 --> 10:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd say the worst thing off the bat on Friday that gives the mariner puts the mariner's behind the April right off the bat is Brian Wu getting sheld again.
10:50 --> 10:59 [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't the same shelling as the St. Louis Cardinals but at the end of the day, Brian Wu wasn't good against a royal offense that I don't think is that good.
11:01 --> 11:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I know Bobby's not like Bobby's been good, but he hasn't been like crushing it to start this year haven't seen where do the royals rank in like team offense.
11:09 --> 11:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Kansas City royals are oh Yeah, dude, they're fucking 24th in the league in team offense
11:17 --> 11:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Bobby still been plenty above average as a hitter.
11:19 --> 11:23 [SPEAKER_00]: He's just not hitting for crazy power yet, but again, Bobby with Junior.
11:23 --> 11:25 [SPEAKER_00]: He's one of those players in baseball.
11:25 --> 11:26 [SPEAKER_00]: You have to take him seriously.
11:26 --> 11:30 [SPEAKER_00]: At the end of the year, he's going to be top five to seven in MVP voting.
11:30 --> 11:35 [SPEAKER_00]: But regardless, this is not overall a royal team that told that deadly on offense.
11:35 --> 11:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Now Brian we would be fair to start on Friday.
11:37 --> 11:44 [SPEAKER_00]: There was a bit of a death death by thousand paper cuts in the first inning because there was some bad lock mix then there.
11:44 --> 11:48 [SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't hit crazy hard throughout that inning, but at the end of the day you're right.
11:49 --> 11:49 [SPEAKER_00]: He gave up the hits.
11:50 --> 11:50 [SPEAKER_00]: He gave up the hits.
11:51 --> 11:52 [SPEAKER_00]: He then gave up a home run late.
11:53 --> 11:56 [SPEAKER_00]: And in the end he gave up six runs.
11:56 --> 11:58 [SPEAKER_01]: On the out and he only struck out two guys.
11:59 --> 12:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I should say he gave up two homeruns in the sixth inning.
12:01 --> 12:06 [SPEAKER_00]: He gave up the home run late to Vinnie Pasquan Tino and also Jack Hagley on ahead of Homer.
12:06 --> 12:23 [SPEAKER_00]: So at the end of the day while we did get a little unlucky in the first inning and while I'm not by any stretch worried about Brian Lugo in forward because we know he's just too good to have this continue to go six innings and give up six runs doesn't give your team a big chance to win and he knows that.
12:23 --> 12:24 [SPEAKER_00]: He said it postgame.
12:24 --> 12:25 [SPEAKER_00]: He said I hate
12:25 --> 12:28 [SPEAKER_00]: being responsible for not giving our team a chance.
12:29 --> 12:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I hate getting he's like, I know I got my ass kicked even when your process is right, but yeah, it just wasn't wasn't a great outing.
12:38 --> 12:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And the next thing that I think jumps off the page from Friday's game is that this was the first indicator of Oh, this bullpins in trouble without Matt Brash because the Mariners are playing in a close game on on Friday.
12:51 --> 12:56 [SPEAKER_01]: So the tie the game in the 7th and in Culeo hits a massive two run home run to center field.
12:57 --> 13:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Though he's the guy who essentially carried the only Mariners offense they had this entire weekend.
13:02 --> 13:13 [SPEAKER_01]: but the mariner's close slash leverage bullpen arms uh... that come in after we after uh... brine move through six is co-well cocks Josefer and Alex hobby
13:15 --> 13:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, they had other guys available, but the real issue you're highlighting here is to try to bridge things to Muno's, who will get to later in this episode, because Muno's is gonna be a bit of a talking point here too.
13:27 --> 13:32 [SPEAKER_00]: But to try to bridge that gap without brush, I think we'd both call Gabe Spire or leverage arm.
13:32 --> 13:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Although, it has been a heat, like the ERA's been fine, but he's not striking as many guys out right now, hopefully that's something that changes as the months go on.
13:41 --> 13:44 [SPEAKER_01]: He hasn't been as overpowering as he was last year.
13:44 --> 13:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, not yet at least, but you'd still throw them in leverage spots.
13:49 --> 13:51 [SPEAKER_00]: The team I'm still considers them a leverage arm.
13:51 --> 14:01 [SPEAKER_00]: But even when you get past him, without brash and you're trying to bridge stuff to moonios, it's Bazarto and Ferre, who are not really leverage arms.
14:01 --> 14:07 [SPEAKER_00]: They're more middle relievers who are strong middle relievers, but don't really have much business pitching in leverage spots.
14:08 --> 14:12 [SPEAKER_00]: And then otherwise, yeah, the, the bullpen is now coal Wilcox.
14:12 --> 14:13 [SPEAKER_00]: It's Cooper Chriswell.
14:14 --> 14:17 [SPEAKER_00]: It's Nick DeVila who shout out to Hammy made his debut this weekend.
14:17 --> 14:20 [SPEAKER_00]: But again, he is part of the rest of the bullpen now.
14:21 --> 14:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And, oh, it's a, oh, it's a, it's a, it's a, DeVila, hoppy, Chriswell, Wilcox.
14:28 --> 14:32 [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of guys that are now going to be pitching regularly in the bullpen with lead.
14:33 --> 14:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
14:34 --> 14:37 [SPEAKER_00]: And we felt that mad brash effect this weekend.
14:37 --> 14:41 [SPEAKER_00]: We felt it on Friday because in a spot where you'd usually have brash going, wasn't there.
14:42 --> 14:43 [SPEAKER_00]: This was after a day off.
14:44 --> 14:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
14:44 --> 14:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Both men got a day off.
14:46 --> 14:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
14:46 --> 14:47 [SPEAKER_01]: And then through.
14:48 --> 14:49 [SPEAKER_01]: It's getting thin, man.
14:49 --> 14:51 [SPEAKER_01]: It's getting thin really quick.
14:51 --> 15:00 [SPEAKER_01]: And it came back to bite them where Jose Ferrer, who has been a little inconsistent in the season, is the one who coughs up the lead in the seven, in the eighth inning.
15:01 --> 15:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
15:02 --> 15:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Which show I think is a talking point in and of itself.
15:04 --> 15:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Correct.
15:05 --> 15:07 [SPEAKER_00]: So what have we hit on our table of content so far?
15:07 --> 15:08 [SPEAKER_00]: We have hit a thin bullpen.
15:09 --> 15:13 [SPEAKER_00]: We have hit the bad start, at least from one of the starter.
15:14 --> 15:19 [SPEAKER_00]: But as we go through Friday's game, see our table of content is a little bit weird.
15:19 --> 15:24 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not in chronological order because the chronological order we're going in for this episode is game by game.
15:24 --> 15:30 [SPEAKER_00]: But we are promising you we're going to hit all of these table of contents that we highlighted on our tweet throughout this episode.
15:31 --> 15:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Jose Ferrer being in the game in the eighth inning comes back to more Dan Wilson decision time and where ranks on the carpenter meter, which why have I still not made this graphic yet?
15:41 --> 15:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm way behind on doing it.
15:43 --> 15:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I need to have this carpenter graphic made.
15:45 --> 15:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I need to get on it.
15:47 --> 15:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Where would I put this decision on the carpenter meter?
15:49 --> 15:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, probably a little bit on the lower side.
15:52 --> 16:00 [SPEAKER_00]: It's probably in the three to four range because you are down bullpen arms and you only
16:01 --> 16:08 [SPEAKER_00]: But when you know Jose Ferrer is a lefty guy and does not really thrive against right handed pitching.
16:09 --> 16:13 [SPEAKER_00]: And then the game gets tied in the eighth, you will brought life back into your team.
16:13 --> 16:16 [SPEAKER_00]: You come down from, you come back from big deficit, tie it up.
16:17 --> 16:20 [SPEAKER_00]: And you go to Jose Ferrer to face three righties.
16:21 --> 16:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Three of the four guys that came up in that inning, hit from the right side.
16:25 --> 16:27 [SPEAKER_00]: And they lost the lead.
16:27 --> 16:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, to be fair, to be fair, Caglione was scheduled to come up and he got pinched it for her.
16:34 --> 16:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, but yeah, I have to know that's going to be an option.
16:37 --> 16:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Caglione doesn't hit left as well.
16:39 --> 16:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
16:40 --> 16:40 [SPEAKER_01]: So, okay.
16:40 --> 16:42 [SPEAKER_01]: So, here's what I think happened.
16:43 --> 16:46 [SPEAKER_01]: So Julio hits the game tying to run home run with two outs.
16:47 --> 16:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Jose Fuerz already hot in the pen.
16:49 --> 16:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, you mentioned, they don't have a lot of options in the bullpen.
16:52 --> 16:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Jose Ferrer is climbing towards leverage status even though you and I don't think he's a leverage bullpen arm at all.
16:59 --> 17:09 [SPEAKER_01]: So in this scenario, the teams, it's not like it was Nick DeVila, who was not on the team yet at this point, but it would have been Josh Simpson at this point.
17:10 --> 17:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Was warming up, well, the two run deficit and they're like, well, we just got to save our leverage guys because there's no point in throwing them in a two run game.
17:18 --> 17:24 [SPEAKER_01]: If like they rolled out Josh Simpson there, definitely understand what you're talking about a little bit more.
17:24 --> 17:40 [SPEAKER_01]: But the more I've looked at it, I think, with Ferrar already up, the Mariners tying the game with two outs, and then not having significantly better options your bullpen that'll get hot in a second, given the situation.
17:41 --> 17:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, this one's kind of in between for me.
17:43 --> 17:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Then comes the eighth inning.
17:45 --> 17:50 [SPEAKER_01]: So then there's the eighth inning where Mitch Garver walks with one out.
17:51 --> 17:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Cole Young comes to the plate, Mitch Garver stays on first base.
17:54 --> 17:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Cole Young flies out to right field.
17:57 --> 18:09 [SPEAKER_01]: And then Luke Rayleigh gets used as a pinch runner for Mitch Garver with a runner on first down or on with two outs and then Dom canzone strikes out against a lefty.
18:10 --> 18:13 [SPEAKER_00]: with two outs, and why does that matter?
18:13 --> 18:23 [SPEAKER_00]: You're probably sitting there thinking to yourself, well, Garver's a DH, he's not a good runner, you won't really on the base paths, in case a ball gets in the gap, you try to have him score.
18:23 --> 18:33 [SPEAKER_00]: The problem with that is one you did it with two outs rather than earlier, and two, it never should have happened in the first place, because then fast forward to the ninth inning, when,
18:34 --> 19:03 [SPEAKER_00]: games on the line, you're down or run, and ultimately what ends up happening in the ninth inning is with Leo Reeva said the bottom of the order, an Ursaic on the mound, a righty, it's Reeva's hitting instead of having the option to go to Rayleigh in the ninth to hit against Ursaic because you used them to pinch run in the eighth instead of hit, and then they have a backup in Fielder on Friday, what do you mean?
19:04 --> 19:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Did they have a backup in field?
19:05 --> 19:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, Rayleigh comes in for cans of Rayleigh comes in for Leo Rivas.
19:10 --> 19:12 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a game time home run that go to extras.
19:12 --> 19:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Is there an extra in field there?
19:15 --> 19:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, but don't you have to figure that out later?
19:18 --> 19:19 [SPEAKER_00]: You needed, but I don't know.
19:19 --> 19:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I literally don't think they had another in field there.
19:22 --> 19:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Did they not?
19:23 --> 19:23 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
19:24 --> 19:26 [SPEAKER_01]: So, and this comes back to the Connor Joe decision.
19:27 --> 19:28 [SPEAKER_01]: So, Connor Joe gets taken out of the game.
19:28 --> 19:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Connor Joe isn't in field there.
19:30 --> 19:32 [SPEAKER_01]: He plays in field.
19:32 --> 19:39 [SPEAKER_01]: that probably would have been your guy to play defense for Leo Rivas, but he's already in the game, really goes to the Alfield.
19:40 --> 19:46 [SPEAKER_01]: So those two decisions honestly kind of tie in together, if you were to make that call out of Connor Joe being out of the game.
19:46 --> 19:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so after all the decisions had been made, the Mariners did not have another infielder on their bench, hence why Leo Rivas was staying in the game.
19:55 --> 19:57 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's a trickle down effect.
19:57 --> 19:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
19:57 --> 19:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
19:59 --> 20:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
20:00 --> 20:16 [SPEAKER_00]: So if Joe's left in the game, you don't have to pinch, you shouldn't pinch run Rayleigh there anyway, but then Rayleigh can hit in the ninth, and if you tie the game, he goes to right, and you've figured out on the infield I guess, like Joe's not going to be great on the infield, but you can at least do it first pace.
20:18 --> 20:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, then who goes to third?
20:21 --> 20:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Josh Nailer, I'm sure you had a, you'd have a great time.
20:23 --> 20:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, again, that's, I think Connor Joe's played third base.
20:27 --> 20:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure he has, but again, like this is the problem with some of the injuries that are built up now with this team over time too, is when you don't have Donovan, it really kind of hamstrings you because Donovan can move around to so many places.
20:41 --> 20:42 [SPEAKER_01]: No, Joe is not played third base.
20:42 --> 20:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, okay, you still got a tie-to-game man.
20:53 --> 20:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, but then if you tie your probably just going to lose.
20:59 --> 21:01 [SPEAKER_00]: So again, Joe probably never should have came out of the game.
21:02 --> 21:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Is the clear.
21:03 --> 21:07 [SPEAKER_01]: If Joe doesn't come out of the game, the Mariners give themselves a slightly better opportunity with this.
21:08 --> 21:11 [SPEAKER_01]: But that, Lyle, that's part of the table of contents right there.
21:11 --> 21:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Injuries, injuries are crushing this team.
21:15 --> 21:16 [SPEAKER_01]: They don't have enough depth.
21:16 --> 21:21 [SPEAKER_01]: The depth is the lack of depth in certain spots of showing is glaring.
21:23 --> 21:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Donovan's a huge one, because again, he's such a Swiss army knight that he can move just so many different places if he had to.
21:30 --> 21:31 [SPEAKER_00]: But you don't have him right now.
21:32 --> 21:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Leo Revoss is your utility man.
21:34 --> 21:42 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's been asked to do a lot, probably more than he ever should be asked to do, because he's playing all the time these days and he's struggling a bit as a result.
21:42 --> 21:45 [SPEAKER_00]: For a guy that, again, is supposed to thrive as a utility man.
21:46 --> 21:48 [SPEAKER_00]: But then behind him, there's, there's not that much.
21:49 --> 21:50 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
21:50 --> 21:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
21:51 --> 21:56 [SPEAKER_01]: The steam did need to be decently healthy, and right now, they're not.
21:57 --> 21:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's move on to Saturday.
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23:16 --> 23:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Saturday.
23:18 --> 23:19 [SPEAKER_01]: What a doozy.
23:20 --> 23:22 [SPEAKER_01]: We talked about the positive of Saturday.
23:23 --> 23:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Now let's start talking about the levels of Saturday that really, really got our blood boiling.
23:29 --> 23:29 [SPEAKER_01]: That was not great.
23:31 --> 23:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Anywhere you're fancying to start a while, I have an idea where we should start.
23:34 --> 23:37 [SPEAKER_01]: We should start off on a bit of a fresh, fresh angle here.
23:39 --> 23:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Hit me.
23:40 --> 23:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Hit me.
23:41 --> 23:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
23:42 --> 23:43 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the sixth inning.
23:44 --> 23:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Mariners at the base has loaded.
23:45 --> 23:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Coli Young's at the plate.
23:48 --> 23:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And Randy Rosarina forgets what the count is and gets picked off after Seth Lugo throws ball 3.
23:57 --> 24:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Kills the Mariners, attempts in the sixth inning, that was the sixth inning, right?
24:03 --> 24:04 [SPEAKER_01]: And they don't score.
24:07 --> 24:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, mental mistakes are killing this team.
24:11 --> 24:13 [SPEAKER_00]: on the table of contents, the mental mistakes.
24:13 --> 24:25 [SPEAKER_00]: None bigger than that one right there for a team that had one extra base hit all night and scored a grand total of a whopping two runs, kill them, absolutely kill them.
24:25 --> 24:32 [SPEAKER_00]: And Randy does this man, he has mental mistakes that are made all the time and it crushes them.
24:34 --> 24:41 [SPEAKER_01]: And this is the first of, I believe, four metal mistakes in Saturday alone that we will get to.
24:43 --> 24:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, by the way, it was, oh, yeah, wait, was it the sixth inning and happen or any?
24:51 --> 24:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was the sixth inning.
24:53 --> 24:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was the fifth inning.
24:56 --> 25:24 [SPEAKER_01]: fifth inning close enough big situation for the game in the game for the Mariners and a game they ended up only scoring two runs they could have used a hell of a lot more listen to this quote by the way from Seth Lugo about that at bat with Cole Young when Randy gets picked off Seth Lugo says that out to me had a lot Cole Young was battling me all day I think he'd seen every pitch I'd thrown he saw the most pictures that of anyone in the lineup you know what that tells me there's nothing I'm thrown to Cole Young that's gonna get past him right now
25:24 --> 25:28 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm either walking in a run or throwing it in the strike zone.
25:29 --> 25:35 [SPEAKER_01]: He's making contact, ball is going to get put and play coin flip on whether or not it finds some outfield grass and scores a couple of runs.
25:36 --> 25:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Colleung and Seth Lugon are pretty good spot at sound of the lake.
25:40 --> 25:43 [SPEAKER_01]: And Randy essentially took the bat out of Colleung's hands with the basis loaded.
25:44 --> 25:51 [SPEAKER_01]: For a team that has not been doing the little things right, having something like that happen is just crushing.
25:51 --> 25:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's gonna come back to sort of a bigger theme about this entire weekend, while.
25:56 --> 25:57 [SPEAKER_01]: If you can't do the little things, right?
25:58 --> 25:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And you can't do the big things, right?
25:59 --> 26:00 [SPEAKER_01]: You're not going to win baseball games.
26:01 --> 26:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Maris didn't hit, and they also didn't give themselves opportunities to hit when the opportunity presents.
26:07 --> 26:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Like this example right here.
26:09 --> 26:10 [SPEAKER_01]: That's just what happens.
26:10 --> 26:12 [SPEAKER_01]: It's been littered with these tiny little mistakes.
26:13 --> 26:14 [SPEAKER_01]: There's just so catastrophically big.
26:15 --> 26:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And,
26:16 --> 26:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Like the Randy one should be the most avoidable, the most avoidable, and it still happened anyways.
26:23 --> 26:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean that's as metal as possible.
26:26 --> 26:32 [SPEAKER_00]: When Luke really missed the base earlier in the air, sure you can chalk that up to a metal mistake if you want.
26:32 --> 26:37 [SPEAKER_00]: But that is a bit of a flookie thing that I guess one's in a blue moon might happen.
26:37 --> 26:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And obviously Rayleigh was pretty apologetic afterwards and said like that's on me, I know that can't happen.
26:43 --> 26:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And Rayleigh doesn't usually make many metal mistakes or anything like that.
26:47 --> 26:54 [SPEAKER_00]: But it happens with Randy a lot and it's a big difference between missing a base, which again does feel a bit flookie.
26:54 --> 26:58 [SPEAKER_00]: And literally forgetting the count, I mean that's,
26:59 --> 27:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that is rudimentary stuff, man.
27:02 --> 27:03 [SPEAKER_00]: You can't forget the count.
27:04 --> 27:06 [SPEAKER_00]: You can't not know what's going on in the game.
27:07 --> 27:13 [SPEAKER_00]: And then he tried to argue with the Empire that there was interference or something, but it's like, Randy, that never should have happened in the first place.
27:14 --> 27:16 [SPEAKER_00]: You're not running with two and two.
27:16 --> 27:17 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not a full count.
27:20 --> 27:21 [SPEAKER_00]: So that was one.
27:22 --> 27:25 [SPEAKER_00]: And probably the worst one, by the way.
27:26 --> 27:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Randy Rose-Rain is not a big talker.
27:28 --> 27:31 [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't do much media.
27:31 --> 27:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, like, isn't in front of the camera all that often, it's, you know, aside from one certain WBC event, but post game, but that's a different story.
27:40 --> 27:45 [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't do a lot of post game pressers or anything like that.
27:46 --> 27:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I will give Julio credit on this.
27:49 --> 27:54 [SPEAKER_00]: There are times where Julio obviously steps up and talks and he gets in front of the media and he answers questions.
27:55 --> 27:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Randy doesn't really do that.
27:57 --> 28:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I would have felt like a time where Randy probably needed to talk in front of the press in front of the media and answer some question, because that was catastrophic on Saturday.
28:06 --> 28:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me know if the rest of these, how close they get to Randy Rosoranus, how about Andre's moonios blocking in the ninth inning to put the tying run in scoring position?
28:17 --> 28:18 [SPEAKER_01]: How about that one?
28:18 --> 28:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, not good, but not Randy's level.
28:20 --> 28:21 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not even close.
28:22 --> 28:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Box happened.
28:23 --> 28:25 [SPEAKER_00]: They are mental mistakes, but they can't happen.
28:26 --> 28:28 [SPEAKER_00]: The Andre's Munoz didn't forget the count.
28:29 --> 28:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Well then how about a combination of a buck and then Hulia Rodriguez having a ball go between his legs?
28:36 --> 28:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I honestly think we might want to wrap up Saturday's game before more Hulia talk because there's a deeper layer there.
28:43 --> 28:43 [SPEAKER_01]: There it is.
28:43 --> 28:45 [SPEAKER_01]: But the Hulia one was bad.
28:45 --> 28:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Didn't cause the run to score the run with a scored anyways.
28:48 --> 28:51 [SPEAKER_01]: But, it... Bad.
28:51 --> 29:03 [SPEAKER_00]: If you are ranking those three moments, I would put moonioses as the least egregious, Julio's at number two, and then still Randy at number one.
29:03 --> 29:05 [SPEAKER_00]: The Julio play was bad.
29:05 --> 29:07 [SPEAKER_00]: And again, there's a bigger conversation there that we're going to get to.
29:08 --> 29:14 [SPEAKER_00]: But none of those things involved for getting the count and getting yourself thrown out with the bases loaded to end it in.
29:15 --> 29:27 [SPEAKER_01]: And then what about, well, this wasn't really a, maybe it was a mental gap in the tent inning when the Mariners essentially gave third base to, I forgot who's running the base for the royals and then Michael Garcia hits a sacrifice fly.
29:27 --> 29:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Were they essentially just get baited into giving up third base for free?
29:33 --> 29:35 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I go Matthew that stole third.
29:35 --> 29:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
29:35 --> 29:37 [SPEAKER_01]: So it was Michael Massey who stole third.
29:37 --> 29:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Massey just sent you just took a big secondary lead and Mitch Garver behind the plate.
29:42 --> 29:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Throws it down a second base and they give third base to Massey who then scores on a sack fly.
29:50 --> 29:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And the Royals win the game.
29:53 --> 29:59 [SPEAKER_01]: So like let me get the like let me get the 9th and 10th ending straight for firm for the Mariners.
30:00 --> 30:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Moonios gives up a base runner start the night thing was a base hit yeah was base hit a box him over to second gives up a base hit combined with an error to score him.
30:11 --> 30:16 [SPEAKER_01]: So then the royals get their ghost runner in the 10th inning to which the Mariners give through base way for free.
30:17 --> 30:19 [SPEAKER_01]: World's drive them in Marisco score list in the 10th and lose.
30:21 --> 30:23 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a lot of mental errors.
30:24 --> 30:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was just one game.
30:25 --> 30:33 [SPEAKER_00]: And you want to talk about the effects of injuries who wasn't back there on Saturday behind the plate because he's now banged up.
30:34 --> 30:39 [SPEAKER_00]: It's Cal Raleigh, yet Garver back there, throws the ball down the second and Massey's wife's third.
30:41 --> 30:42 [SPEAKER_00]: So now Sunday.
30:43 --> 30:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Sunday was,
30:45 --> 30:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you want to do Sunday where we want to talk with you?
30:47 --> 30:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's do Sunday and then we could talk with you because you said that's going to be big picture.
30:51 --> 30:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
30:52 --> 30:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and there's a couple other big picture things we can get to.
30:54 --> 30:55 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, sure.
30:55 --> 30:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Go to Sunday.
30:56 --> 31:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, Sunday, I think for the most part was two things.
31:00 --> 31:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Number one was loose Castillo who we already talked about.
31:03 --> 31:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And number two was again, the lineup's inability to hit left in a pitching.
31:08 --> 31:10 [SPEAKER_01]: They hit coal riggins on Friday.
31:11 --> 31:15 [SPEAKER_01]: But almost deceiving Lyle, who hit Cole Riggins?
31:15 --> 31:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Who the Orad Riggins hit Cole Riggins in the Royale's bullpen?
31:19 --> 31:20 [SPEAKER_01]: He did that.
31:20 --> 31:26 [SPEAKER_01]: The rest of the Mariners lineup did not wasn't the one doing most of that damage.
31:27 --> 31:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And then on Sunday, I mean, Lyle, the Mariners right handed hitters and they're line up at how many hits.
31:37 --> 31:38 [SPEAKER_00]: No, one hit.
31:38 --> 31:39 [SPEAKER_00]: One hit.
31:40 --> 31:44 [SPEAKER_01]: One, yep, how many walks did they draw by the way?
31:44 --> 31:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Cause Chris Boobitch was entering it, entered the game, walking over 12% of batters.
31:51 --> 31:52 [SPEAKER_01]: They walked three times.
31:54 --> 31:55 [SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, who was that one hit?
31:56 --> 31:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Who Leo?
31:56 --> 31:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Who Leo?
31:57 --> 32:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, who Leo, like we'll talk about his defense.
32:00 --> 32:01 [SPEAKER_01]: His offense, not a problem.
32:01 --> 32:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I'm, who Leo's bat is here.
32:04 --> 32:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, he's in.
32:06 --> 32:08 [SPEAKER_01]: He's in mid-season form right now with his bat.
32:08 --> 32:09 [SPEAKER_01]: That's not the issue.
32:10 --> 32:22 [SPEAKER_01]: But the rest of this Mariners lineup, uh, like outside of Kulu's multi-home run game against Cole Regan's on Friday was just not there from the right hand, for the right handers.
32:23 --> 32:28 [SPEAKER_01]: And again, maybe it's injury like Rob Resson had or couldn't play against Reagan's on Friday because he was banged up.
32:29 --> 32:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's just not been in the lineup that consistently, but he didn't perform very well on Sunday.
32:35 --> 32:37 [SPEAKER_01]: And the rest of the right-handed version of this lineup didn't perform.
32:38 --> 32:52 [SPEAKER_01]: And again, the injuries, if you look at the bottom of this lineup on Sunday, the bottom four hitters in this lineup that the manager were lying to come and hit right-handed,
32:54 --> 32:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let's see, like an issue.
32:58 --> 33:11 [SPEAKER_01]: In right field, catcher and third base, three positions, the Mariners thought, would have plus offenses here with you'd sell out like, it'd be like Luke Raylier, Dom Kinzone, Cow, and Brennan, Donovan.
33:11 --> 33:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And instead, they have those three batting there instead.
33:16 --> 33:17 [SPEAKER_00]: And they get swept.
33:17 --> 33:19 [SPEAKER_00]: They didn't score, Louise didn't pitch well enough.
33:20 --> 33:22 [SPEAKER_00]: They didn't have enough scoring chances, and they lose.
33:22 --> 33:22 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
33:23 --> 33:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Something was just collectively bad.
33:26 --> 33:29 [SPEAKER_01]: That looks like Royals were able to tack on some runs and end up winning the game.
33:30 --> 33:32 [SPEAKER_01]: But this series is not just one game.
33:32 --> 33:41 [SPEAKER_01]: It is the collective failure of pretty much every facet of the team outside of Emerson Hancock throughout this entire series.
33:42 --> 33:48 [SPEAKER_01]: So when we say we're making a table of contents about what the Mariners did wrong in this series,
33:48 --> 34:01 [SPEAKER_01]: it literally was everything, it literally was offense, bullpen, mental mistakes, bad starts, sloppy defense, Dan Wilson, losing to a lefty, and cow rolly getting hurt.
34:01 --> 34:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Literally all of the above.
34:03 --> 34:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess the only one we haven't talked about yet is Julio's defense, which we'll get to.
34:07 --> 34:12 [SPEAKER_00]: And then I would mention cow getting injured, because I think those are the only two things we haven't really talked about.
34:13 --> 34:14 [SPEAKER_00]: We got everything else, right?
34:15 --> 34:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, we didn't, I guess we didn't really,
34:18 --> 34:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe there's three big picture conversations.
34:20 --> 34:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I lied, because there's Cals injury, there's Julio, and there's also the short stop question.
34:28 --> 34:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah.
34:28 --> 34:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Because you want to talk about the sloppy defense on Sunday, JP bubbled another ball going to his right.
34:36 --> 34:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Or actually didn't probably miss it.
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35:32 --> 35:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, big picture Lau.
35:33 --> 35:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Which one do you want to go to first?
35:38 --> 35:40 [SPEAKER_00]: trying to think which one's going to take the least amount of time.
35:42 --> 35:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about cows injury because ultimately, it doesn't sound like it's that serious for cow.
35:51 --> 36:00 [SPEAKER_00]: It sounds like he'll either miss a couple days as he now already has, or if it really ends up being an eye-listen, it'll be a pretty short one, it'll just be the two weeks.
36:01 --> 36:13 [SPEAKER_00]: But two weeks without Cal Raleigh is a massive hole in this lineup, especially for a team that's lost three and a row to the royals, and is about to welcome in the best team in baseball in the braze this week.
36:15 --> 36:22 [SPEAKER_01]: And what's hard for Jerry Poto and Justin Hollander for Cal Raleigh getting hurt is this is a problem they've never had.
36:23 --> 36:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Literally never had.
36:25 --> 36:28 [SPEAKER_01]: When was the last time the Mariners had been without Cal Raleigh?
36:28 --> 36:28 [SPEAKER_01]: 2021?
36:28 --> 36:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he's ever been on the I.L.
36:32 --> 36:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so either.
36:33 --> 36:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Like he's not played, he's slumped and they've given him days off, especially early in his career when there was a lefty on the mound, but it's never been, oh, Cal can't catch.
36:43 --> 36:43 [SPEAKER_01]: He's hurt.
36:44 --> 36:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Almost never.
36:45 --> 36:46 [SPEAKER_01]: So he goes on the I.L.
36:47 --> 36:50 [SPEAKER_01]: This will be a problem they never have ever had to deal with.
36:51 --> 37:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And based on how the lineup is set to shake out with, based on how the lineup is set to shake out the last two days without them, it's going to be tough.
37:03 --> 37:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Ultimately, I just want Cal to be healthy.
37:05 --> 37:12 [SPEAKER_01]: He's battled through a lot of things over the years, catching as many games as he does, the timing on this is not good.
37:13 --> 37:14 [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's not good at all.
37:15 --> 37:19 [SPEAKER_00]: And luckily for the Mariners, they're not going to get Chris Sale this week.
37:19 --> 37:20 [SPEAKER_00]: You're going to get some brave.
37:20 --> 37:22 [SPEAKER_00]: So if you want some silver lining, you're going to miss them.
37:23 --> 37:32 [SPEAKER_00]: But it doesn't stop the fact that even without Sale, and even without Ronald Alucunia now, who just hit the I.L., this is still a brave team that has been absolutely dominant.
37:32 --> 37:36 [SPEAKER_00]: That lineup top to bottom is awesome.
37:36 --> 37:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, not Olson, Drake Baldwin, Ozzy Albis, keep naming him.
37:40 --> 37:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they have just matched.
37:42 --> 37:45 [SPEAKER_00]: And they are the best team in baseball by record right now.
37:46 --> 37:58 [SPEAKER_00]: After losing three in a row to a last place team, doesn't feel like everything's looking up in a Cal Rallyless, Matt Brashless, Brendan Donovanless, upcoming brave series.
37:59 --> 38:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Just doesn't.
38:00 --> 38:05 [SPEAKER_00]: So to have Cal go out now, it is really bad timing.
38:05 --> 38:11 [SPEAKER_00]: It makes sense, and Cal talked about it on Sunday where he said, look, I've got to understand it's May, I've got to understand the long term.
38:12 --> 38:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I got to stay healthy all year.
38:13 --> 38:15 [SPEAKER_00]: So he's working with the training staff on it.
38:17 --> 38:20 [SPEAKER_00]: So I get it, but it's also just brutal timing.
38:21 --> 38:26 [SPEAKER_01]: This is different than when a de-break is summary toward legament in its thumb in 22.
38:26 --> 38:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was broken.
38:30 --> 38:36 [SPEAKER_01]: So he had, he hurt his catching thumb, his right thumb, or no, is left thumb in 2022.
38:37 --> 38:44 [SPEAKER_01]: But that happened at the end of the season, so he just played through it in September and into the playoffs, because he's like, look, I'm not going to miss time at this point.
38:44 --> 38:46 [SPEAKER_01]: This might be a two-month recovery.
38:46 --> 38:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going to gut it out through the rest of the season.
38:48 --> 38:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Still performed pretty well, and then into the postseason.
38:52 --> 38:59 [SPEAKER_01]: But now, since it's May and Cal needs to make it another five months of the season, like you can't have him playing hurt for the next five months.
38:59 --> 39:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Because then, then it might take a toll on Cal and he won't be Cal Rowie.
39:03 --> 39:05 [SPEAKER_01]: That's an issue right there in of itself.
39:05 --> 39:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't like to hear side, Lyle.
39:08 --> 39:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I've been picking up on our posts that we've been doing with Lake Washington PT about the lingering issues of, I'm guessing it's oblique.
39:17 --> 39:20 [SPEAKER_01]: They said side, I think that means oblique.
39:20 --> 39:26 [SPEAKER_01]: It could be wrong, but oblique injuries are linger a little bit.
39:27 --> 39:35 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's not gonna stop using his upper body and torquing his upper body to swing all year.
39:36 --> 39:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, man, I hope he can get through it.
39:40 --> 39:48 [SPEAKER_00]: And having calved down for two weeks, he had the best version of Cal is obviously a better solution than having Cal playing with a lingering injury all year.
39:49 --> 39:52 [SPEAKER_00]: But again, it just sucks to have to potentially miss him.
39:52 --> 39:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, he took some swings in the cage on Sunday, and he said he felt a lot better.
39:56 --> 39:58 [SPEAKER_00]: So maybe this is a situation where he can't avoid the I.L.
39:58 --> 39:59 [SPEAKER_00]: We don't know yet.
40:00 --> 40:05 [SPEAKER_00]: But maybe this is a situation where he does just miss a couple games and then is able to just come back and go from there.
40:05 --> 40:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I hope so.
40:06 --> 40:07 [SPEAKER_00]: But we don't know.
40:07 --> 40:20 [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to have to wait for more information on that, which another wrinkle of this calendar is less about Cal, but the way it was described and the way it was presented, which was, I got to tell you, I thought such an I-roll.
40:20 --> 40:30 [SPEAKER_00]: The whole thing, we now know it's soreness and is side, but on Saturday night when they were asked about a post game, the Mariners were asked about a post game.
40:30 --> 40:32 [SPEAKER_00]: They didn't give a real answer.
40:32 --> 40:36 [SPEAKER_00]: They said he had some general sorness and he needs to get imaging.
40:36 --> 40:38 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, well, what does that mean?
40:38 --> 40:40 [SPEAKER_00]: If you have general sorness, you don't need imaging.
40:41 --> 40:44 [SPEAKER_00]: It means your legs barking at you a little bit.
40:45 --> 41:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Dan was trying to be kg and was not very good at being kg because so all the beat writers were in their asking questions i was listening to this on on the drive home so i i remember the the sequence of it pretty good so they asked all right so what's calis injury Dan said general soreness with imaging which again everyone was like huh
41:06 --> 41:29 [SPEAKER_01]: uh... divish asks is it his hand he got beat up pretty well in the road trip dance that notes not his hand uh... but we're not going to say anything about it until we get more information and then there's like so what is it and then yeah but in classic animals in fact and just kind of like umd and odd and talked around it uh... before they actually gave an answer and cal gave an answer on sunday morning
41:29 --> 41:44 [SPEAKER_01]: It was, it was a really painful, like, three minute exchange to listen to and if you go check out Ryan Davis's Twitter after the fact he was not very happy that they were, they were unable to communicate like the simplest amount of information to the beat writers to about Caroli said.
41:44 --> 41:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Seriously, I mean, and that's seriously a real gripe and totally, totally worn it on Davis's part.
41:51 --> 41:57 [SPEAKER_00]: If you want to see what he responded on Twitter with when he was responding to some people.
41:57 --> 42:05 [SPEAKER_00]: about it because somebody asked him saying, it says, well, whatever, the reply is a little bit all over the place.
42:05 --> 42:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to bother with the reply from the random person, but Divish replied to somebody and said, General Sornus doesn't fucking cut it as an answer, and Divish used a full F-ball on Twitter as he often does.
42:16 --> 42:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Like seriously man, like what's the point of these media sessions?
42:19 --> 42:22 [SPEAKER_00]: You learn just as much at the end of them as you do before it started.
42:22 --> 42:24 [SPEAKER_00]: There's never answers given to anything.
42:25 --> 42:27 [SPEAKER_00]: And you don't have to spill all your dirtiest secrets.
42:28 --> 42:29 [SPEAKER_00]: But there's things all the time.
42:30 --> 42:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Remember when Lagamina threw in the eighth inning a couple weeks ago and everybody's like, well, where is Bizarro?
42:35 --> 42:35 [SPEAKER_00]: And...
42:36 --> 42:42 [SPEAKER_00]: It was pretty clear that they were probably just saving them for the ninth inning, but they wouldn't say that.
42:42 --> 42:46 [SPEAKER_00]: It was a very classic Dan Wilson answer a lot of arms and a lot of uncertainty.
42:47 --> 42:55 [SPEAKER_00]: That's just a perfect example of, why can't you just say, yeah, the thought process there was we were saving Bazarto for the ninth, because they were down bullpen arms that night too.
42:55 --> 42:57 [SPEAKER_00]: They had some guys that had thrown a lot.
42:57 --> 42:59 [SPEAKER_00]: So it had to be like a mean in the eighth in a close game.
43:01 --> 43:05 [SPEAKER_00]: And then they ended up giving the lead up, they ended up not being in a leverage bot.
43:05 --> 43:07 [SPEAKER_00]: And people asked why didn't the Zardo throw the eighth.
43:08 --> 43:09 [SPEAKER_00]: They needed them for the ninth that day.
43:09 --> 43:13 [SPEAKER_00]: But they wouldn't just say, he was gonna pitch the ninth.
43:14 --> 43:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, like, what is the point of these media sessions, man?
43:18 --> 43:19 [SPEAKER_00]: They don't say anything.
43:19 --> 43:26 [SPEAKER_00]: By the way, three days ago, or four days ago now, Dan Wilson went asked about Matt Brash, said, well, it's pretty minor, we're not concerned.
43:27 --> 43:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Less than 48 hours later, we turn around and he's on the I.L.
43:30 --> 43:31 [SPEAKER_00]: with lat issues.
43:33 --> 43:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you don't have to spill all your dirty as secrets, but there is middle ground here, man.
43:39 --> 43:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, there's, you have to say anything.
43:42 --> 43:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
43:44 --> 43:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
43:45 --> 43:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have anything else to add, I think you said it pretty well.
43:49 --> 43:50 [SPEAKER_00]: And I get why Divish is mad.
43:51 --> 43:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the reporters have ever been right to be mad.
43:52 --> 43:53 [SPEAKER_00]: We're not reporters.
43:53 --> 43:55 [SPEAKER_00]: We don't have to be in there doing that.
43:56 --> 44:02 [SPEAKER_00]: But for the people responsible for presenting the information, when you're told general
44:03 --> 44:07 [SPEAKER_01]: That's not a real answer because then there's nothing else for beatwriters to ask about.
44:07 --> 44:17 [SPEAKER_01]: They can't ask around like, for example, if if Davis was going to ask around about, hey, what is like, like, what is a lot as you do for a catcher, like he can get an answer?
44:17 --> 44:27 [SPEAKER_01]: But he can't do his job if it's just like general sort of like, oh, you're just not going to know it's like well we have to know now because we're writing we cover the team we have to write stories about what's happening.
44:27 --> 44:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Why is Cal out of the lineup and it should have probably been communicating on something on Saturday night when he got pulled.
44:35 --> 44:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And he got pulled pretty late too.
44:36 --> 44:38 [SPEAKER_01]: We all thought cow was okay.
44:38 --> 44:40 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, okay, so like what flared up?
44:40 --> 44:50 [SPEAKER_01]: And like, I don't think general sort of also works when they're, they pull Johnny Pareta up from AAA, signaling cow can't catch tonight.
44:50 --> 44:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Cow's not playing tonight, can't.
44:52 --> 44:56 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, okay, like, that's more than just given cow a day off.
44:56 --> 45:00 [SPEAKER_01]: If cow was getting a day off, just like, yep, cow's kinda beat up, he's getting a day off.
45:01 --> 45:05 [SPEAKER_01]: But no, like when a move gets made, then it's like all right, someone is hurt.
45:07 --> 45:10 [SPEAKER_00]: And again, if it really was a day off, you could say that.
45:10 --> 45:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you could just say that.
45:11 --> 45:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, it's banged up, needs a day off.
45:15 --> 45:18 [SPEAKER_00]: The presentation of a lot of this stuff is really bad in my opinion.
45:19 --> 45:20 [SPEAKER_00]: It's really bad.
45:20 --> 45:22 [SPEAKER_01]: It makes it harder for people to do their traps.
45:23 --> 45:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Very, very much so.
45:24 --> 45:24 [SPEAKER_00]: And I feel for them.
45:27 --> 45:30 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of presentation work that could be done if you were to ask me.
45:31 --> 45:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Alright, let's get to these other two while.
45:33 --> 45:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Both are related to defense.
45:34 --> 45:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's start with Julio.
45:36 --> 45:44 [SPEAKER_01]: You know how I said on Friday's podcast, while I know his lot of Julio's defense defense of metrics don't look good.
45:46 --> 45:48 [SPEAKER_01]: But I haven't seen them from the eye test.
45:48 --> 45:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Therefore, I think it's going to get better the rest of the season.
45:50 --> 45:52 [SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, it's still my get better the rest of the season.
45:53 --> 45:54 [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm not totally worried about it.
45:55 --> 45:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm doing a 180 on that statement.
45:57 --> 45:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm reversing my rhetoric on that.
46:00 --> 46:04 [SPEAKER_01]: The eye test now sees the problem with Julio Rodriguez's defense.
46:04 --> 46:08 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not, honestly, I don't think it's getting to balls and gaps.
46:08 --> 46:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it is throwing.
46:10 --> 46:12 [SPEAKER_01]: His arm has been totally fine this season.
46:14 --> 46:16 [SPEAKER_01]: What I see from Julio kind of looks like the yips.
46:18 --> 46:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I think when situations present themselves, there are just these little unintentional mental gaps that that happened.
46:28 --> 46:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I've had the I've had the hips before.
46:30 --> 46:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I had so much trouble.
46:32 --> 46:47 [SPEAKER_01]: playing basic catch in baseball and there's probably a reason why I'm sitting here and playing and talking on a podcast instead of playing in the majors like Julio Rodriguez, but I had a lot of trouble doing this simple things like throwing to a base or just playing catch because I had the hips.
46:47 --> 46:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't consistently do my mechanics and I would get my head about the ability to throw.
46:52 --> 46:52 [SPEAKER_01]: It is a real thing.
46:53 --> 46:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Look at John Lester trying to throw to first base.
46:55 --> 46:56 [SPEAKER_01]: That is the hips right there.
46:57 --> 47:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Dude can throw a fastball to a catcher with
47:03 --> 47:06 [SPEAKER_01]: What I feel like I see from Julio right now is the Eps.
47:06 --> 47:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like he's just, he's brain farting, and he's missing, thanks.
47:13 --> 47:14 [SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy, man.
47:15 --> 47:18 [SPEAKER_00]: What is going on with Julio Rodriguez's defense?
47:18 --> 47:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Because as we sit right now, he is in the sixth percentile of the league and outs above average at negative three.
47:26 --> 47:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't shoot the messenger here.
47:28 --> 47:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I am just reading you the numbers.
47:30 --> 47:32 [SPEAKER_00]: negative 3 out of average.
47:32 --> 47:34 [SPEAKER_00]: That is the 6th percentile of the league.
47:34 --> 47:47 [SPEAKER_00]: What that says is he is on the same line in terms of a defender as Edward Julian Reese Hoskins, Yoann Moncata, Austin Riley, Ahmed Rosario, and Spencer Torkelson.
47:48 --> 47:54 [SPEAKER_00]: That's not Julio Rodriguez, but by the numbers, they're saying that's the defender he has right now.
47:54 --> 48:06 [SPEAKER_00]: He's never been that in his career, and it'd be one thing if through a month, he was in the 47th percentile and outs above average, and you said, okay, he had a little bit of a down first month.
48:07 --> 48:11 [SPEAKER_00]: That trend shouldn't continue, he'll figure it out, and maybe he still does figure it out.
48:11 --> 48:13 [SPEAKER_00]: He's in the sixth percentile.
48:13 --> 48:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Randy is grading better as a defender than him.
48:16 --> 48:20 [SPEAKER_00]: He's on the same tier as Luke Rayleigh, who's really struggled defensively.
48:21 --> 48:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Dom can zones playing better defense by OAA than Julio right now.
48:25 --> 48:30 [SPEAKER_00]: And this is a guy who is one of the best defenders in baseball and currently not showing it.
48:31 --> 48:40 [SPEAKER_01]: The only two worst defenders in the Alfield and all of baseball is Carrie Carpenter, who is a noted, bad, outfield defender, he, the dude is in the lineup for his bat.
48:40 --> 48:43 [SPEAKER_01]: He's not out there to play defense and the Tigers know that.
48:44 --> 48:46 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why I rate so poorly and they're okay with that.
48:46 --> 48:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And Luke Rayley, who we've talked about before, it's a shocking development that Luke Rayley somehow greets out worse than who he arrived regas, but he does, like that's it, among all outfielders, that's it.
48:57 --> 49:01 [SPEAKER_01]: He is in the same breath as Brian Reynolds as well.
49:01 --> 49:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Brian Reynolds is a notoriously bad outfield defender.
49:04 --> 49:12 [SPEAKER_01]: They moved him to a corner outfield spot the pirate did to try and lessen that effect, but at least so far this season, he's not had a whole lot of
49:12 --> 49:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Isaac Collins with the royals who we just saw is in the negative three bucket as well just and Crawford and Dylan Beaver's.
49:20 --> 49:30 [SPEAKER_01]: But Julio's the problem with Julio compared to the rest of those guys is that Julio's a 90th percentile defender as recently as last year.
49:30 --> 49:32 [SPEAKER_01]: So to see.
49:33 --> 49:42 [SPEAKER_01]: this take place different than the next guy we're going to talk about so suddenly in a year where it doesn't seem like his speed is down at all.
49:42 --> 49:45 [SPEAKER_01]: There's nothing physically ailing him, ailing him.
49:45 --> 49:47 [SPEAKER_01]: He's just not.
49:47 --> 49:55 [SPEAKER_01]: flying good defense and it is it's the one thing we thought we could count on with Julio even if he was going to have a slow April.
49:55 --> 50:05 [SPEAKER_01]: He's not going to hit very well but his defense and center field could potentially win the Mariners again because that's how good of a defender is and this year man it's it's almost the opposite.
50:06 --> 50:10 [SPEAKER_00]: And sometimes the defensive metrics are pretty drastic across the board.
50:10 --> 50:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Julio's rookie year, he grated out amazingly by Alts above average and not great by defensive run stage.
50:15 --> 50:18 [SPEAKER_00]: But the eye test backed up that he was playing great defense.
50:18 --> 50:19 [SPEAKER_00]: And he was.
50:19 --> 50:23 [SPEAKER_00]: The war totals backed it up, again his play backed it up.
50:23 --> 50:28 [SPEAKER_00]: but everywhere across the board, he is not grading out as a good defender.
50:28 --> 50:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Fielding run value, he is in the 10th percentile at negative two.
50:32 --> 50:35 [SPEAKER_00]: We mentioned Alts above average, 6th percentile at negative three.
50:35 --> 50:38 [SPEAKER_00]: And by defensive run saved, he is also at negative three.
50:39 --> 50:40 [SPEAKER_00]: What in the world is going on?
50:41 --> 50:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have a solution to how to fix this.
50:43 --> 50:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not a defensive guru.
50:45 --> 50:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if he's getting bad for steps.
50:48 --> 50:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Usually with,
50:49 --> 50:57 [SPEAKER_00]: team usually with player related issues you can pinpoint to certain things with their offensive approach or with their arsenal on the mound and say okay here's what's going wrong.
50:59 --> 51:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what's going wrong because this has never been an issue for him and he's 25 years old it's not like he's slowing down.
51:06 --> 51:08 [SPEAKER_00]: It's very very odd.
51:08 --> 51:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And this right here is why out some of average grades the Mariners as the worst defense of team in all a baseball.
51:14 --> 51:16 [SPEAKER_01]: That this is the nail in the coffin for it.
51:17 --> 51:23 [SPEAKER_01]: La Culeo is the one guy keeping the Mariners for example last year at 27th in out some of average as a team.
51:24 --> 51:28 [SPEAKER_01]: This year they're 30th because you go around the diamond right now.
51:29 --> 51:31 [SPEAKER_01]: You can't find for their regulars.
51:32 --> 51:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Besides Cal Raleigh and Cole Young in above average defender really.
51:36 --> 51:38 [SPEAKER_01]: We did it last episode, let's do it again.
51:39 --> 51:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Cal, plus Defender.
51:40 --> 51:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Josh Nailer, Average Defender.
51:42 --> 51:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Colleone, plus Defender.
51:44 --> 51:46 [SPEAKER_01]: JP Crawford, negative Defender.
51:46 --> 51:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Brennan, not on a third, negative Defender.
51:49 --> 51:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Randy Rosarine and left, negative Defender.
51:51 --> 51:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Julio and Sender so far this year, negative Defender, Luke Rayleigh and Wright.
51:56 --> 51:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Dom canzone and Wright, negative Defenders.
52:00 --> 52:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Can't find any edge possible on defense if that's the case.
52:07 --> 52:17 [SPEAKER_00]: at least you like to believe that up the middle long term your defense is in a good spot with Cal with Cole Young with eventually Colt Amerson and you think Julio.
52:18 --> 52:19 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, man.
52:19 --> 52:26 [SPEAKER_00]: There is a lot of bad defense being played across the board with this team and now the metrics say they're the worst events of team in the league.
52:26 --> 52:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how many teams of one world series being the worst defensive team in baseball.
52:31 --> 52:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Can't imagine it happens often.
52:32 --> 52:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll tell you what, the fillings of not one world series with this core for as good as they've been, for as well as they pitch for as much as they mash, they have never played defense and they have not won a world series.
52:44 --> 52:48 [SPEAKER_01]: What's frustrating is we knew this team was going to struggle defensively this year.
52:48 --> 52:56 [SPEAKER_01]: We knew there's just there's some parts of this team that you can't undo and that's just what it is because most of the roster from last year was back.
52:56 --> 53:09 [SPEAKER_01]: But you thought at least in some spots it could be better and maybe by the end of the season it is, Julio turns it around, Cole Young keeps doing what he's doing and you get a full season of Cole Emerson and perhaps our most of a full season of Cole Emerson.
53:09 --> 53:15 [SPEAKER_01]: and run a down of and plays in a position that he's more comfortable in isn't as isn't great as poorly at.
53:16 --> 53:19 [SPEAKER_01]: But this current version, it's just going to cost you runs.
53:20 --> 53:22 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just going to be, it's just going to be that.
53:22 --> 53:24 [SPEAKER_01]: And Julio was the guy we thought we could count on.
53:24 --> 53:27 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think for the rest of the season, we will be able to count on him on defense.
53:28 --> 53:33 [SPEAKER_01]: But for the first month, especially
53:34 --> 53:35 [SPEAKER_01]: It showed.
53:35 --> 53:35 [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't good.
53:36 --> 53:49 [SPEAKER_00]: The eye test showed glaring red, which is not good, which leads us to our final conversation in terms of defense, which is one that's now going to be hat, which is one that's now going to have to be had at some point in time.
53:50 --> 53:58 [SPEAKER_00]: And the question is this, do the Mariners value the clubhouse or the best possible defensive product more?
53:59 --> 54:04 [SPEAKER_00]: because they are going to have to answer that question long-term in terms of what they do with Colt Emerson and JP Crawford.
54:05 --> 54:11 [SPEAKER_00]: There's not really a question at this point, even with Colt Emerson still in the minor leagues that he's a better defender than JP Crawford.
54:12 --> 54:20 [SPEAKER_00]: JP Crawford now four of the last five years has graded out as a very negative defender, and it's showing again this year, especially with those balls to his right.
54:21 --> 54:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Colt Emerson would improve the Mariners defensive shorts up.
54:25 --> 54:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Cold Emerson's not ready to get here yet, this is for when he does, he's still got to hit a little bit better down into coma before he's called up.
54:32 --> 54:48 [SPEAKER_00]: But when he gets here, they are going to have to make a real decision, because you could improve your defense by putting cold to shortstop, but you could also piss a lot of people off in the clubhouse, nobody more so than JP Crawford who I can't imagine would sit well with that news.
54:49 --> 54:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Or you continue to let JP play short.
54:52 --> 55:18 [SPEAKER_00]: except that you're going to have below average deep ends there and hope that enough things around you enough things around you go well enough that you're still winning games in spite of it like you have a plus defender to your right and cold emerson at their base and you've a plus defender to your left and colyong at second base which is yes and again this is a serious question because when the mariner's make this decision when cold emerson gets here
55:19 --> 55:24 [SPEAKER_00]: they're going to pick one or the other and I think the consensus belief is they're going to let JP Crawford stay at shortstop this year.
55:25 --> 55:27 [SPEAKER_00]: But one way or another, they're going to make a decision.
55:27 --> 55:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you care more about the culture in your clubhouse or putting the best product on the field defensively?
55:34 --> 55:36 [SPEAKER_00]: You are going to get for pick one and not both.
55:37 --> 55:40 [SPEAKER_01]: In this scenario, are you putting JP Crawford at third base?
55:40 --> 55:43 [SPEAKER_00]: This is a problem, I mean, this is part of the problem too.
55:43 --> 55:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what you do.
55:44 --> 55:49 [SPEAKER_00]: You can't put him at second base because Cole Young's thriving there and he's not going to move off the spot.
55:50 --> 55:54 [SPEAKER_00]: JP doesn't have the arm to be playing third base and there's not another position for him to play.
55:55 --> 56:00 [SPEAKER_00]: The other solution is for him to essentially start de-aching, which I don't know if that will be heard.
56:00 --> 56:03 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a non-starter, essentially.
56:03 --> 56:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And that also, that also puts your roster in a long jam, because you have guys who are going to occupy that DH spot, that now can't play, because JPS to play every day.
56:13 --> 56:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And if he's not playing every day, then that's when the problems occur.
56:17 --> 56:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Because that needs to be done.
56:18 --> 56:21 [SPEAKER_01]: We asked, I mean, we did ask this weekend, people close to the Mariners.
56:22 --> 56:25 [SPEAKER_01]: What would happen if JPE Crawford got moved off a short stop?
56:25 --> 56:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And it said, it would be not great in the call pass.
56:29 --> 56:30 [SPEAKER_01]: It would be a non-starter.
56:32 --> 56:43 [SPEAKER_00]: So because then then that leads to him riding the bench and that's right and like you said that's where the problem start to arise So yeah, what do you value clubhouse culture is very important?
56:43 --> 56:45 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's good defense and good play.
56:45 --> 56:46 [SPEAKER_01]: So what is it?
56:46 --> 56:47 [SPEAKER_01]: What's the answer?
56:48 --> 57:00 [SPEAKER_01]: There are there are some people who would be very willing to Bite the bullet on the clubhouse and move JP Crawford off of shortstop totally realistic if you were to ask me an answer right now Terrible podcast answer.
57:00 --> 57:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know
57:02 --> 57:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I have no idea what you do right now, because also Colt Emerson isn't forcing their hand right now, and JP Crawford is hitting, so that's the problem.
57:11 --> 57:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Colt and JP right now are essentially opposites.
57:14 --> 57:19 [SPEAKER_01]: JP is hitting and not playing defense, Colt is not hitting and playing defense.
57:20 --> 57:27 [SPEAKER_01]: We've yet to see Colt Emerson force the issue for the mariners once he forces the issue.
57:27 --> 57:34 [SPEAKER_01]: This is going to be a much bigger discussion, but unfortunately Colt Emerson is going to need at least another month into coma if not more.
57:35 --> 57:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Tidying Gonzales dug this up, I think I didn't pull it to tweet Colt is slashing, he's got like a 500 OPS.
57:43 --> 57:51 [SPEAKER_01]: since like April 24th since he got back from his rest injury, striking out like 35% of the time into coma.
57:52 --> 57:54 [SPEAKER_01]: He's got some stuff to work on down there.
57:55 --> 57:56 [SPEAKER_00]: And again, he's 20.
57:56 --> 57:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't freak out.
57:57 --> 58:01 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not that crazy for this to happen to somebody who's being pushed very hard at a young age.
58:01 --> 58:07 [SPEAKER_00]: But it just also means for everybody yelling and clamoring for him to come up tomorrow, that's not going to happen.
58:07 --> 58:09 [SPEAKER_00]: He's going to need at least another month.
58:09 --> 58:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, if he lights the world on fire and trip away for the next month, we're having a different conversation.
58:14 --> 58:17 [SPEAKER_00]: But through one month, I think what we've seen from cult is yet.
58:17 --> 58:19 [SPEAKER_00]: He needs a little bit more time, which is fine.
58:19 --> 58:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, it was a 188 through a 469 slash line.
58:23 --> 58:26 [SPEAKER_01]: So he's Joey Gallo and AAA right now.
58:27 --> 58:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry, but like that slash line with a 35% strikeout rate is is kind of that.
58:34 --> 58:35 [SPEAKER_01]: He's just he's not ready.
58:36 --> 58:42 [SPEAKER_01]: So, but that doesn't excuse the fact that JP Crawford Georgetown defense has been not good enough.
58:42 --> 58:44 [SPEAKER_00]: It is second percentile.
58:45 --> 58:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and different than Julio, because JP's defense has been bad for years.
58:50 --> 58:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Julio's defense has been bad for one month.
58:53 --> 58:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, big difference.
58:55 --> 58:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, four of the last five years.
58:58 --> 59:00 [SPEAKER_00]: JP Crawford's defense has not been there.
59:00 --> 59:05 [SPEAKER_00]: 22, 23, 24, 25, 26 of those five years.
59:05 --> 59:10 [SPEAKER_00]: The one year he played decent defense was 24, 2024.
59:11 --> 59:33 [SPEAKER_00]: the other four years have been pretty bad and right now he ranks at negative four out to above average and that is entering Sunday a game in which he made yet another defense of miscue going to his right where the ball went under his glove I mean and that one was just like a simple like routine ground ball to his right that should have been an easy backhand and throw and he kicked it.
59:33 --> 59:40 [SPEAKER_00]: And for those who may not know, baseball's that take JP Crawford to his right to the back hand side, that is what's killed them.
59:41 --> 59:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Of all of the defensive profile of JP Crawford, the balls that take him to his right is what just hamstrings his defense every year.
59:50 --> 59:56 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not perfect everywhere else, but those balls that take him to his right is where he has really had issues for a while.
59:57 --> 01:00:00 [SPEAKER_00]: And you saw it again here on Sunday, you saw it earlier in the week.
01:00:01 --> 01:00:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:00:01 --> 01:00:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, don't shoot the messenger.
01:00:03 --> 01:00:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm reading the numbers.
01:00:03 --> 01:00:06 [SPEAKER_00]: He is second percentile in the league and outs above average.
01:00:06 --> 01:00:09 [SPEAKER_00]: At your most important position, arguably, in the sixth hole, it's shortstop.
01:00:12 --> 01:00:13 [SPEAKER_01]: tough man.
01:00:13 --> 01:00:15 [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of negativity out of this weekend.
01:00:15 --> 01:00:16 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not good.
01:00:16 --> 01:00:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to talk about all the negative stuff.
01:00:18 --> 01:00:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Neither allowing.
01:00:19 --> 01:00:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I like talking about all this negative stuff, but this weekend was not good for the Mariners and they they got to fix some things.
01:00:27 --> 01:00:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's really disappointing giving the road trip.
01:00:29 --> 01:00:29 [SPEAKER_01]: They came off.
01:00:29 --> 01:00:32 [SPEAKER_01]: They played so well in the six games in Minnesota in St. Louis.
01:00:33 --> 01:00:37 [SPEAKER_01]: And to come home and play their worst series of the season after a day off.
01:00:37 --> 01:00:38 [SPEAKER_01]: just sucks.
01:00:38 --> 01:00:39 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just bad.
01:00:39 --> 01:00:42 [SPEAKER_01]: And now they're playing in Atlanta Braves team that can sink them further under 500.
01:00:43 --> 01:00:48 [SPEAKER_01]: They clawed all the way back from their shitty start to be a 500 team and then they got swept by the royals.
01:00:49 --> 01:00:52 [SPEAKER_00]: What happened to this being a team that would just start out of the gate hot and run with it?
01:00:52 --> 01:00:56 [SPEAKER_00]: What happened is starting, I don't know, through 35 games.
01:00:57 --> 01:00:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Where's the 2015 or even better than that?
01:01:00 --> 01:01:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Where's the, uh,
01:01:02 --> 01:01:04 [SPEAKER_00]: One, two, and 13.
01:01:04 --> 01:01:06 [SPEAKER_00]: That was what this team was supposed to be.
01:01:07 --> 01:01:14 [SPEAKER_00]: And here we are sitting, as this podcast is going to come out on May the 4th, Happy Star Wars Day, and they are three games under 500.
01:01:15 --> 01:01:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And they are worse off in this spot than they were at this time last year with a better roster.
01:01:21 --> 01:01:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, a way better roster.
01:01:23 --> 01:01:26 [SPEAKER_00]: They don't have Routy to lessen down of Insilano playing first base.
01:01:26 --> 01:01:27 [SPEAKER_01]: No, Josh Nailer.
01:01:29 --> 01:01:31 [SPEAKER_01]: At least Brendan Dauven will be back at the end of the week.
01:01:32 --> 01:01:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Are they going to be six games under by then?
01:01:34 --> 01:01:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope not.
01:01:36 --> 01:01:42 [SPEAKER_01]: At least they could be six games under and then Jerk Kilnick Homer's is first at that against Mariners.
01:01:42 --> 01:01:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:01:42 --> 01:01:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Or he or his last at bat and he walks them off.
01:01:46 --> 01:01:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Could you imagine we talked about it on Friday?
01:01:48 --> 01:01:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Could you imagine if that happened?
01:01:50 --> 01:01:53 [SPEAKER_00]: But could you imagine if the Mariners have lost six in a row or they lose five of six?
01:01:54 --> 01:01:57 [SPEAKER_00]: And then they go into Chicago and get walked off by Jerk Kilnick.
01:02:00 --> 01:02:01 [SPEAKER_01]: That would be a story book.
01:02:02 --> 01:02:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I will be on Twitter, not exiting the app for multiple hours, which will also include me reading through all the replies of the final score graphic on Twitter.
01:02:11 --> 01:02:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Does Jared still tweet?
01:02:12 --> 01:02:13 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
01:02:15 --> 01:02:17 [SPEAKER_00]: But it'd be hilarious if he did.
01:02:17 --> 01:02:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he's tweeted in three or more years, but what if he dusted off for the first time in multiple years?
01:02:24 --> 01:02:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And he just tweets the guy standing at the funeral meme after walking it off.
01:02:28 --> 01:02:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I showed up for my haters funeral.
01:02:30 --> 01:02:32 [SPEAKER_00]: First time in three years, that's his tweet.
01:02:32 --> 01:02:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Note words, nothing just about up.
01:02:35 --> 01:02:36 [SPEAKER_01]: That would be pretty funny.
01:02:37 --> 01:02:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't be hilarious.
01:02:38 --> 01:02:42 [SPEAKER_00]: For the terrible mood, all the mariners fans would be in if that happened in that scenario.
01:02:43 --> 01:02:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I bet you that would.
01:02:44 --> 01:02:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Take people's moods.
01:02:45 --> 01:02:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I think there'll be some comedic relief for everyone.
01:02:47 --> 01:02:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, hundred percent.
01:02:50 --> 01:02:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, here's the getting through the braves.
01:02:55 --> 01:02:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Toast to that, we'll see if they can.
01:02:57 --> 01:02:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I hope they find a way to scratch out at least one.
01:03:00 --> 01:03:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope two, maybe Cal comes back and torches the braves.
01:03:04 --> 01:03:05 [SPEAKER_00]: That'd be great.
01:03:06 --> 01:03:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess we'll find out.
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