Lyle and TJ react to the Mariners sweeping the A's in dominant fashion (2:30). They then discuss the new CBA proposals on each side and which ones they liked better (14:40). The two of them open up the mailbag and answer listener questions, highlighting what Randy Arozarena's next contract would look like, which Mariners starter would be best in the bullpen, a complication moving on from Dan Wilson, and more (25:31).
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00:55 --> 01:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And welcome to this episode of the Marine Lair podcast part of the just baseball podcast network recording here on Thursday evening May 28th I do find it really funny while that if someone just dropped in like woke up from a coma of Mariners fan Listen to our Monday episode.
01:12 --> 01:21 [SPEAKER_01]: You would have thought the Mariners were like 15 games under 500 at this point and now the Mariners are back in first place after they played their best series of the season
01:22 --> 01:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean as we often say throughout the course of the year because we do make our rounds with it.
01:26 --> 01:28 [SPEAKER_00]: You would have thought the season was over on Monday.
01:28 --> 01:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I know.
01:29 --> 01:34 [SPEAKER_01]: You would have no idea the meritor's just clowned the A's, no, and went back in first place.
01:35 --> 01:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Now I do need to jump in on something you just said.
01:37 --> 01:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Two things are very true.
01:39 --> 01:42 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners just played their best series of the year.
01:42 --> 01:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Complete series, team effort, 22 runs in three games, pitching was great and took advantage of a team that they really needed to jump on and they swept them.
01:52 --> 01:53 [SPEAKER_00]: All the credit in the world to them.
01:54 --> 01:56 [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm sorry, you can do whatever you want.
01:56 --> 01:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I never tell people how to fan.
01:58 --> 02:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I personally will not and I mean will not sit here and go, you're first place, Seattle Mariners.
02:06 --> 02:07 [SPEAKER_00]: No, they're under 500.
02:08 --> 02:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad that they won a series and took down the A's.
02:11 --> 02:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm more than happy to talk about that.
02:14 --> 02:19 [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm not going around parading the first place Seattle Mariners at 28 and 29.
02:19 --> 02:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Get yourself like four or five games above 500, and we can come back to that.
02:24 --> 02:27 [SPEAKER_01]: And also they need to win two series in a row, which they've only done once.
02:28 --> 02:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, as soon as they sweat the A's, I texted you and said, well, they're losing two of three or getting swept by the Diamondbacks this weekend, because that's just how it's been.
02:35 --> 02:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Like they've looked really good at points, and then they've played teams the next series and they've lost.
02:42 --> 02:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, remember this team the series before went one in five against the royals.
02:46 --> 02:48 [SPEAKER_01]: So yes, two things can be true.
02:48 --> 02:49 [SPEAKER_01]: They played excellent this week.
02:49 --> 02:51 [SPEAKER_01]: They looked as good as humanly possible.
02:51 --> 02:54 [SPEAKER_01]: It's great to have Victor Robless back in the outfield playing defense.
02:54 --> 02:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's just like night and day.
02:56 --> 03:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Having another person with like a crumble of athleticism in the outfield.
03:03 --> 03:19 [SPEAKER_00]: To play defense is just so so so refreshing and then they squirrel these runs and pitching was great, too Oh, well, dude by out's above average Luke Rayleigh and Julio Rodriguez have been two with a three worst events of outbuilders in major league baseball this year But thank you.
03:19 --> 03:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's somehow Randy hasn't yeah, I don't know.
03:23 --> 03:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean that that's crazy.
03:25 --> 03:27 [SPEAKER_00]: There's yeah, I know Julio by the numbers
03:28 --> 03:36 [SPEAKER_00]: has not been off to the greatest start in terms of his defensive value this year, but there's no way I could believe Julio's less valuable than Randy is a defender.
03:36 --> 03:37 [SPEAKER_00]: There's just no way.
03:37 --> 03:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Randy's been a valuable player, but I can't watch Randy Rome left field.
03:42 --> 03:46 [SPEAKER_01]: The most valuable player, which I was breaking down the stats in our morning post this morning.
03:46 --> 03:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I honestly didn't even realize how extreme it was.
03:49 --> 03:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Randy rose the rain at this point.
03:51 --> 03:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Has twice as much F4 as the next closest Mariners position player?
03:55 --> 03:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Twice as much.
03:57 --> 03:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Could you imagine if he was a league averaged offender?
04:00 --> 04:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Dude, he'd be like a tuna almost a 3-1 player right now.
04:03 --> 04:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I guarantee it.
04:05 --> 04:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Crazy.
04:06 --> 04:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Which Scott Bores would be jumping for joy seeing that?
04:08 --> 04:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he probably already is, but if he was a league averaged offender, Scott Bores would, I mean, you would see the cash signs and the dollar signs like light up in his eyes.
04:17 --> 04:19 [SPEAKER_01]: We would not be having the conversation.
04:19 --> 04:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, like the Mariners don't want Randy Rosarina back.
04:21 --> 04:23 [SPEAKER_01]: It could be like, oh, the Mariners won't.
04:23 --> 04:25 [SPEAKER_01]: They can't afford Randy Rosarina.
04:26 --> 04:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
04:27 --> 04:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Which is a male bad question about his contracts.
04:29 --> 04:31 [SPEAKER_00]: We don't need to spend too much time talking about that.
04:32 --> 04:32 [SPEAKER_00]: But.
04:33 --> 04:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it is kind of crazy for radio.
04:35 --> 04:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm happy with what I saw this week.
04:36 --> 04:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I know people were going to want to hear us talk about the series like I thought they played incredibly well.
04:41 --> 04:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I think they pitched incredibly well.
04:42 --> 04:46 [SPEAKER_01]: We got our bangers out with the piggyback on after the game on Monday night.
04:47 --> 04:49 [SPEAKER_01]: And then after that, they just dominated on the mound.
04:49 --> 04:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone looked really good.
04:50 --> 04:52 [SPEAKER_01]: The ball pen looked really good.
04:52 --> 04:55 [SPEAKER_01]: The defense looked better and the offense crushed.
04:55 --> 04:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I get there's nothing else.
04:57 --> 05:00 [SPEAKER_01]: We can sit here and say, besides they play incredibly well.
05:01 --> 05:04 [SPEAKER_01]: What I want to see from them now is to string together some series.
05:05 --> 05:18 [SPEAKER_01]: How they were able to build themselves up in the first half of last year is because there was a stretch in late April and to May where they want to believe eight series in a row and gave themselves a pretty decent record heading into June.
05:19 --> 05:39 [SPEAKER_01]: this year they haven't done that I would like to see that even if they're not totally healthy they got a pretty soft batch of the schedule coming up that they can I hope take advantage of really soft I mean diamond backs won't be easy and on the topic of diamond backs only do this very quickly because I'm sure we'll talk more about the series come on days episode but
05:40 --> 05:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Can we shout out our guy, can we shout out our guy, B.G.
05:42 --> 05:43 [SPEAKER_00]: in Brandon Garcia.
05:43 --> 05:48 [SPEAKER_00]: He threw his first 11 outings of the year out of the bullpen has been awesome.
05:48 --> 05:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, seriously awesome.
05:50 --> 05:56 [SPEAKER_00]: ERA starts with a one striking out a bunch of guys, so Vampage lights up and red.
05:56 --> 05:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, come on, that's our guy right there.
05:58 --> 06:00 [SPEAKER_00]: We obviously want the Mariners to win the series, but
06:01 --> 06:12 [SPEAKER_00]: For those who have been listening for at least the last year and a half, like you know that along with Logan Evans and along with Emerson Hancock, like Brandon Garcia was like one of our staples, like one of our absolute dudes.
06:12 --> 06:14 [SPEAKER_00]: And we were heartbroken, we got traded last year.
06:14 --> 06:17 [SPEAKER_00]: We know why he did, but to see him going off is awesome.
06:17 --> 06:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you to get PTSD at the ballpark?
06:20 --> 06:25 [SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna see him and then realize, oh yeah, he was up here for what two days and then got traded.
06:26 --> 06:42 [SPEAKER_00]: now it was such a bummer we were so thrilled for him and him and Logan were up at the same time too and those two were incredibly close friends and they were all excited and families obviously excited and all these people we met through him were just you know out of this world excited for every good reason and then yeah I got just turned around and I traded.
06:43 --> 06:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Now again, the Mariners got Josh Nailer.
06:45 --> 06:48 [SPEAKER_00]: We're not going to sit here and be like, oh, I wish the trade hadn't happened.
06:48 --> 06:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh, we wish it hadn't happened and it hadn't involved Brandon, but we can't say in good faith.
06:53 --> 06:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we wish Josh Nailer wasn't here.
06:55 --> 06:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously not.
06:56 --> 06:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
06:57 --> 07:00 [SPEAKER_01]: But we just wish the trade didn't involve BG.
07:01 --> 07:03 [SPEAKER_01]: We're excited to see him this weekend.
07:04 --> 07:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Another old Mariners friend is returning this weekend.
07:06 --> 07:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Paul C. Wolves back.
07:07 --> 07:09 [SPEAKER_01]: While we're going to get a chance to play this,
07:10 --> 07:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Come on.
07:11 --> 07:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Jump it up and down, buddy, walk it up and down, f**k it, walk it up and down, f**k it, I'm coming!
07:20 --> 07:40 [SPEAKER_00]: F**k it, walk it up and down, f**k it, walk it up and down, f**k it, walk it up and down, f**k it, walk it up and down, f**k it, walk it up and down, f**k it, walk it up and down, f**k it, walk it up and down, f**k it, walk it up and down, f**k it, walk it up and down, f**k it, walk it up and down, f**k it, walk it up and down, f**k it, walk it up and down, f**k it, walk it up and down, f**k it, walk it up and down, f**k it, walk it up and down, f**k it, walk it up and down,
07:42 --> 07:47 [SPEAKER_01]: God, could you imagine the best be known at the Diamondbacks or winning in Paul C. Well, throws a clean inning.
07:48 --> 07:49 [SPEAKER_01]: That clip is getting tweeted.
07:50 --> 07:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, there's going to be Frank, clips tweeted out this weekend.
07:52 --> 07:54 [SPEAKER_00]: There's absolutely no question about it.
07:54 --> 07:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Frank, clips are getting tweeted out.
07:56 --> 08:00 [SPEAKER_00]: He, could you imagine if the Mariners fan fan base had somebody like Frank have been sane?
08:00 --> 08:02 [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm sure every fan base thinks that.
08:02 --> 08:04 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, oh, could you imagine if the Orioles had a fan like Frank?
08:06 --> 08:06 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I think?
08:08 --> 08:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Like you're not Frank, but do we think there are people out there that clip our videos of you screaming and send them to their friends?
08:18 --> 08:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes.
08:20 --> 08:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
08:21 --> 08:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Dude, we met a couple people a weekend or two ago who literally made one of those iPhone stickers because somebody caught me not on the concourse, but down at the bottom of the steps on the third level at the ballpark during game one of the ALDS after the absolute buffenary that led to Carrie Carpenter's fifth inning homer off George Kirby.
08:41 --> 08:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Somebody got me like I was squatted down and I like my hands in my head and my heads like tucked down toward my knees because I'm all pissed off.
08:51 --> 09:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Somebody got that photo of me at the playoff game when I didn't even realize it and now it's a sticker within their friend group on like the iPhone sticker because they sent it to all their friends and whenever the Mariners lose they were telling us oh that sticker gets sent all the time.
09:04 --> 09:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Any time something bad happens.
09:06 --> 09:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Right so yes really I'm not frank but
09:10 --> 09:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Do clips of mine probably get sent around when I'm like losing my shit?
09:14 --> 09:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I would bet one of you where you go.
09:18 --> 09:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, when they lost in Tampa last year, oh yeah, that one probably does.
09:24 --> 09:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I wonder think about it.
09:25 --> 09:30 [SPEAKER_01]: So maybe you can, you're not like totally frank, but maybe at least in terms of like clips being sent around.
09:31 --> 09:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Am I the closest thing this fan base has to frank?
09:36 --> 09:39 [SPEAKER_01]: If we're considering audience size two problem, maybe,
09:40 --> 09:41 [SPEAKER_01]: That's nuts.
09:42 --> 09:44 [SPEAKER_01]: What an, legitimately what an honor.
09:44 --> 09:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's give, let's give, let's give, allow a medal.
09:46 --> 09:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's give them a bow.
09:46 --> 09:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's give them a trophy.
09:48 --> 09:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Congratulations.
09:51 --> 09:51 [SPEAKER_00]: What a time.
09:52 --> 09:53 [SPEAKER_00]: God, Frank is just the best.
09:54 --> 09:56 [SPEAKER_01]: He really is, okay, this schedule.
09:57 --> 09:59 [SPEAKER_01]: So the DMX won't be easy, but listen to this.
09:59 --> 10:01 [SPEAKER_01]: This is going up to the All Star Break, by the way.
10:02 --> 10:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Metz, off day, tigers, orials, nationals, orials, red socks, pirates, guardians, angels, blue jays, marlins, and then three tough ones in Tampa to close out the first half.
10:20 --> 10:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
10:21 --> 10:25 [SPEAKER_01]: They should finish 10 games over in that stretch at least man.
10:25 --> 10:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, who are the good teams in here?
10:27 --> 10:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Like Cleveland Tampa That's it.
10:33 --> 10:33 [SPEAKER_00]: That's it.
10:34 --> 10:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean six games.
10:35 --> 10:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Pittsburgh played some good ball like let's give our friends a bucko banner in the Pirates fanbase their proper credit like they played good ball this year But and on playing bad teams on the road hasn't really stopped the members from losing sure
10:49 --> 10:52 [SPEAKER_00]: So maybe you get Paul schemes once and that'll be a tough game.
10:52 --> 10:54 [SPEAKER_00]: They did beat them last year, but that would be tough.
10:55 --> 10:58 [SPEAKER_00]: And then who else?
10:58 --> 11:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, to be fair though, the pirates are only one game over 500, like they played good ball, but not a leap all.
11:04 --> 11:07 [SPEAKER_00]: So yes, there's no elite teams on that schedule besides Tampa.
11:09 --> 11:12 [SPEAKER_00]: It does get a little bit harder after that, but that's fine.
11:12 --> 11:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Fine, but give yourself some cushion now.
11:14 --> 11:19 [SPEAKER_00]: And for the next six weeks, put yourself 10 to 12 games over 500 in that stretch.
11:20 --> 11:37 [SPEAKER_00]: uh... anything else about the series the series the a series i mean if we're just shouting out our guys amerson dude i think if this keeps up he is legitimately going to the all-star game i'm going to hit you he's gonna have you honestly might have the best case on the mariners
11:38 --> 11:58 [SPEAKER_01]: him and Randy yeah I mean you're him and Randy unfortunately for who he's had a couple of clunker starts he had a really bad luck day thanks to Randy on sunday and that bolt wasn't caught and he allowed more runs than he should have in his ear raise a little bit inflated and if they have a lot of options of starting pictures to choose yeah probably is Emerson
11:59 --> 12:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, to be fair to Wu, especially since there's always a lot of alternates and subs too.
12:03 --> 12:11 [SPEAKER_00]: If he has a good Jew, and he puts together a couple extra good starts, and as the R.A. is sitting at three, two, or three, three around the all-star break, and it could be lower than that.
12:11 --> 12:16 [SPEAKER_00]: But if it's sitting around the low threes, I mean, he's still probably got a really good shot to get in.
12:16 --> 12:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll say, Prime Moose still is the war advantage over Emerson, in fact, both Wu and Kirby do.
12:26 --> 12:29 [SPEAKER_01]: But Emerson has a sub 3D array.
12:29 --> 12:30 [SPEAKER_01]: So that might be enough.
12:31 --> 12:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we'll still have a good shot.
12:32 --> 12:35 [SPEAKER_00]: But yes, I mean, Emerson's got a real chance.
12:35 --> 12:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Man, he keeps pitching like that.
12:36 --> 12:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Six shot out.
12:38 --> 12:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, kept him totally off balance.
12:40 --> 12:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Was in total cruise control until the sixth inning when he got into a little bit of trouble and then worked his way out.
12:46 --> 12:48 [SPEAKER_00]: and then still put up a zero for the ending.
12:48 --> 12:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, awesome.
12:49 --> 12:50 [SPEAKER_00]: He has looked awesome.
12:50 --> 12:52 [SPEAKER_00]: And he has been such a shot in the arm for them.
12:52 --> 12:58 [SPEAKER_00]: If you want to blame the piggyback on somebody, and I mean this in all the best ways, blame it on Emerson, man.
12:58 --> 13:01 [SPEAKER_00]: He was like, nobody expected him to do this this year.
13:01 --> 13:03 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think the Mariners ever thought they were gonna have this issue.
13:04 --> 13:08 [SPEAKER_00]: But Emerson's pitched so well, it's forced them into a piggyback, which is just how valuable he's been.
13:09 --> 13:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Where he gets to like, flat out, keep his spot.
13:11 --> 13:13 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not like he's getting piggybacked.
13:13 --> 13:16 [SPEAKER_01]: No, like he gets the entire spot.
13:17 --> 13:17 [SPEAKER_00]: right.
13:18 --> 13:30 [SPEAKER_00]: And I guess if we're going to do one more shot out, if we're talking about Emerson, we should definitely talk about Logan Gilbert because we did spend time on Wednesday's podcast highlighting a few concerns with Logan and what we need to see from him to get back to his 2024 form.
13:30 --> 13:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'll tell you, man, he puts together two awesome starts on this road trip and paired with the two good starts.
13:37 --> 13:39 [SPEAKER_00]: You look at everything under the hood yesterday and
13:41 --> 13:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Fastball is back up.
13:43 --> 13:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Slider was back up a little bit.
13:44 --> 13:52 [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't all the way back to 20, 24 form in terms of the slider below, but it was closer to 25, which is again, a step in the right direction.
13:52 --> 13:57 [SPEAKER_00]: And the fastball below was up between a mile and a mile and a half in terms of the average.
13:57 --> 14:00 [SPEAKER_00]: That is a very, very, very good sign.
14:01 --> 14:05 [SPEAKER_01]: And Logan noticed it right here's like it's this is good.
14:05 --> 14:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's keep this up right this is going to help him be much much much more effective right you want to see that elite swing a miss that's where that's going to come from right and it was like I was talking about on Wednesday with the episode is we were talking about all that with Logan and what he needs to improve on in contact so it's not like Logan Gilbert had been bad overall in terms of the course of the years is the area was right at four but
14:29 --> 14:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I said this on Wednesday, I'll continue to say it.
14:31 --> 14:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Logan knows he's better than that.
14:33 --> 14:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Logan knows he needs to provide more than that.
14:36 --> 14:41 [SPEAKER_00]: So it doesn't shock me at all to sit him, see him sitting there and saying, oh yeah, this is more like it.
14:42 --> 14:43 [SPEAKER_00]: This is who I need to be.
14:44 --> 14:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Think the only other thing that has stuck out to me this week is a little bit of CBA related news like we just touch on it here.
14:50 --> 14:54 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of time to talk about a lot of these proposals that are going to go on.
14:54 --> 14:57 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to have an entire offseason to talk about it.
14:57 --> 15:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully with a lot with our friend Trevor May, who is very, very, very good at this stuff.
15:02 --> 15:10 [SPEAKER_01]: But we had our opening proposals from each side, from the players association and from the league itself on.
15:10 --> 15:13 [SPEAKER_01]: They essentially laid their ideas out of what they want.
15:14 --> 15:15 [SPEAKER_01]: here in May.
15:16 --> 15:24 [SPEAKER_01]: The owners proposed a salary cap of about $247 million in a floor of $171 million.
15:25 --> 15:32 [SPEAKER_01]: The players, I believe, proposed like a soft floor at $150 and then the tax at about $300.
15:33 --> 15:38 [SPEAKER_01]: So two very different ideas of how the salary structure majorly baseball will be going forward.
15:39 --> 15:41 [SPEAKER_01]: There's going to be a lot of negotiating going on.
15:41 --> 15:44 [SPEAKER_01]: They're not close on this thing.
15:44 --> 15:44 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
15:46 --> 15:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Why do we even want to start with this?
15:48 --> 15:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we can start with what was proposed in terms of a floor of $171 million and just at base value, man.
15:55 --> 15:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm intrigued.
15:56 --> 16:02 [SPEAKER_00]: There were layers through this where I'm much less intrigued, but just at the face value of a $171 million salary floor,
16:04 --> 16:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it made me perk up a lot, because I thought there was no doubt, the league and the owners.
16:10 --> 16:19 [SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna come out with their first offer of some horchette, ridiculous, unserious salary floor that was gonna sit at $100 million.
16:19 --> 16:20 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was gonna roll my eyes.
16:20 --> 16:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I was gonna call them greedy and losers.
16:22 --> 16:24 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was gonna say, here we fucking go.
16:24 --> 16:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, here's the start of an absolute nightmare of an off season, potentially, 2027, seeing a salary floor of $171 million.
16:33 --> 16:37 [SPEAKER_00]: that definitely makes you perk up, because that says that would be doing its job.
16:37 --> 16:41 [SPEAKER_00]: That would be getting every team to properly spend and take the roster building seriously.
16:42 --> 16:44 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners would have to spend more money.
16:44 --> 16:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
16:45 --> 16:46 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what we all want.
16:48 --> 16:51 [SPEAKER_00]: It wouldn't be that much more in context, they'd probably have to not probably.
16:52 --> 16:59 [SPEAKER_00]: In context, they would have to spend about $9 million more than where they're at right now to hit the threshold, but mirrors would be spending more money.
16:59 --> 17:03 [SPEAKER_00]: They would be forced every year to at least spend $171 million.
17:03 --> 17:11 [SPEAKER_00]: There would be no more bullshit like we heard last winter about, well guys, we can only spend $15 million as winter.
17:11 --> 17:12 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just it's all we can do.
17:12 --> 17:14 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not a smart strategy to spend more money.
17:14 --> 17:20 [SPEAKER_00]: there wouldn't be any more that it's here's the minimum you have to spend and everybody in the rest of the league has to do the same.
17:21 --> 17:36 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners I think in this scenario would have more money to spend because within this owner's proposal is kind of an attack on the Dodgers and Metz as well of like trying to get that money and circulate it back down.
17:36 --> 17:38 [SPEAKER_01]: to create this because that's the only way this works right.
17:39 --> 17:46 [SPEAKER_01]: The only way the owner's proposal salary for a hundred seventy one million dollars is if there's a cash influx at the bottom.
17:47 --> 17:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Work teams will spend more money.
17:48 --> 17:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Teams like the marlins got to spend over a hundred million dollars to reach that number.
17:53 --> 17:54 [SPEAKER_01]: They got to get the money from somewhere.
17:54 --> 18:04 [SPEAKER_01]: They probably have some of it to spend but they're also going to need some redistribution from from other sources and other revenues as well.
18:05 --> 18:09 [SPEAKER_01]: The other thing I thought was interesting on the owner side, I can't believe I'm saying this.
18:09 --> 18:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I like the owner's one was much more interesting to me than than the players one.
18:14 --> 18:21 [SPEAKER_01]: The players one felt like they raised the floor of like rookies, like rookie salary structure.
18:21 --> 18:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Like they said rookies should now make a million and a half.
18:23 --> 18:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Instead of 800 what they're making now.
18:26 --> 18:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I think they also tried to get shorter arbitration as well.
18:31 --> 18:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I believe.
18:32 --> 18:33 [SPEAKER_01]: But on the owner side,
18:34 --> 18:37 [SPEAKER_01]: The owners proposed a 50-50 revenues split on baseball revenue.
18:38 --> 18:43 [SPEAKER_01]: They didn't explain what baseball revenue was, they're going to have to probably clearly define that when they negotiate this.
18:44 --> 18:46 [SPEAKER_01]: But that's what honestly like we've talked about a little bit on here.
18:46 --> 18:52 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like all these other leagues have splits, major league baseball had never had a split.
18:52 --> 18:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Some at some point it's in like the low 40s of like how much revenue actually goes back to the players.
18:58 --> 19:03 [SPEAKER_01]: And leagues like the NFL, the split is like the 50 one to the owners, 49 to the players.
19:03 --> 19:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's how they make the, that's how they decide the number.
19:06 --> 19:09 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like here's so much money we made, you're getting half of it.
19:09 --> 19:12 [SPEAKER_01]: This is where the team should spend, great.
19:12 --> 19:13 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, what do you have to argue?
19:14 --> 19:18 [SPEAKER_01]: And it seems like with that proposal, it's a little bit closer to that.
19:18 --> 19:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Not as, it's not all the way there, but it's closer.
19:21 --> 19:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
19:22 --> 19:23 [SPEAKER_00]: And they are.
19:24 --> 19:30 [SPEAKER_00]: at least proposing a red split here in this deal, which is different than what they've ever done before.
19:30 --> 19:38 [SPEAKER_00]: This red split proposal would be more like the NFL, which is how they could make this whole floor and cap work to make every team spend the right amount of money.
19:38 --> 19:44 [SPEAKER_00]: As there would be a much more even distribution, rather than each individual team, just taking its own revenue.
19:45 --> 19:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
19:46 --> 19:47 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a little bit more individualized now.
19:48 --> 19:50 [SPEAKER_01]: This one makes it a little bit more collective.
19:51 --> 20:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Now I think the numbers should be higher though because there's still a there's a pretty big gap between the floor and the cap if you'll look at the NFL if you'll look at the NHL if you'll look at the NBA These leagues have a much tighter split between the floor and the cap right age league basalt is like 70 million dollars that's a huge huge gap that cap should be like 30 million dollars
20:13 --> 20:37 [SPEAKER_00]: agreed but at least at a hundred seventy million dollars you're not going to have the marlins and the pirates of the world any more i mean the marlins are running out of payroll south of a hundred million bucks it's it's insane south of seventy million bucks i think it was south of seventy last year i think it's a little less now or it's a little more now but yeah i mean they were running out of ridiculously well payroll last year so at least in terms of competition and competitive balance
20:38 --> 20:39 [SPEAKER_00]: It should be a lot closer.
20:39 --> 20:45 [SPEAKER_00]: A team on a $170 million payroll versus a team on a $240 million payroll in terms of trying to compete.
20:47 --> 20:48 [SPEAKER_00]: It should be a higher floor.
20:48 --> 20:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't get me wrong.
20:49 --> 20:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I am all for the higher floor.
20:51 --> 20:58 [SPEAKER_00]: But it does become much more about the strategic roster building at that point and not how much money you have.
21:00 --> 21:01 [SPEAKER_01]: There is another side to this.
21:01 --> 21:04 [SPEAKER_01]: If you'll listen to the players of this, the players for a puzzle.
21:05 --> 21:12 [SPEAKER_01]: On the player side, they look at this and they say, well, the only thing you're capping out of all this is our earning potential.
21:12 --> 21:15 [SPEAKER_01]: You're not capping investment outside of player salary.
21:15 --> 21:18 [SPEAKER_01]: You are not capping your franchise values either.
21:19 --> 21:23 [SPEAKER_01]: You're just capping, I capping our value.
21:23 --> 21:28 [SPEAKER_01]: And I came up with this analogy before we started recording, almost unaccident.
21:29 --> 21:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me know how accurate you feel this is.
21:31 --> 21:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like the biggest people who push back against the cap, who say all you're doing is limiting our earnings.
21:38 --> 21:42 [SPEAKER_01]: That only affects like the top 1% of major league baseball players.
21:43 --> 21:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think the bottom 99% of big leagueers see their salaries change that much in a cap.
21:50 --> 21:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so.
21:51 --> 21:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the market rate is the market rate.
21:53 --> 21:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And you know what, at the league makes more money, everyone gets paid more anyways.
21:57 --> 22:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you wouldn't see the one sodos or the air in judge or the mic trouts or those enormous lump sums of money get paid out to these players anymore.
22:08 --> 22:10 [SPEAKER_01]: it roughly comes out to what?
22:10 --> 22:12 [SPEAKER_01]: 30 players, right?
22:12 --> 22:14 [SPEAKER_01]: About 30 players at the top.
22:14 --> 22:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe there's a few more, but yeah about.
22:18 --> 22:19 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's how many owners?
22:20 --> 22:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that'd be 30.
22:22 --> 22:34 [SPEAKER_01]: So what this ultimately is a discussion about is the values of 30 owners or the values of roughly the top 30 players
22:37 --> 22:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd be very curious to ask if players were willing to talk about it, you know, like Gabe Spire's one of our guys, right?
22:45 --> 22:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd be very curious to ask somebody like him, very good reliever, made Team USA for crying out loud.
22:50 --> 22:59 [SPEAKER_00]: That's how dominant he was last year, but is Gabe Spire ever going to make a $200 million plus contract, probably not.
23:00 --> 23:04 [SPEAKER_00]: You could put Matt Brash in that same boat, where same idea, dominant reliever was done
23:07 --> 23:13 [SPEAKER_00]: But I'd be very curious what somebody like him thinks, very dominant in his position, but it's never getting paid $200 plus million dollars.
23:13 --> 23:14 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
23:15 --> 23:21 [SPEAKER_01]: So this is gonna be a long, strong, out conversation that we will be having throughout the summer, throughout the off season as well.
23:21 --> 23:26 [SPEAKER_01]: But we got our first taste of it this week, and we can see where the sides are at.
23:26 --> 23:27 [SPEAKER_01]: That was interesting.
23:27 --> 23:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Very interesting.
23:28 --> 23:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And I get both sides of it.
23:30 --> 23:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I also think, I guess my final note before we wrap this up, I think another reason this was proposed is because the owners know deep down this is not gonna be accepted.
23:39 --> 23:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I think they know they set the cap way too low for what the players would even consider.
23:44 --> 23:58 [SPEAKER_00]: the players were going to reject it and the owners just won themselves a lot of really good PR today in terms of what got put out there because they surprised everybody they didn't put out a proposed one hundred million dollar floor or some middle finger to the rest of the league.
23:59 --> 24:06 [SPEAKER_00]: They said, oh, here's a really high salary floor, but here's what the cap would be knowing the players would say, well, $245 million is too low.
24:07 --> 24:10 [SPEAKER_00]: It totally slashes the big time contracts for the star players.
24:10 --> 24:18 [SPEAKER_00]: We are not going to agree to this, so we're going to say no, and the owners say, okay, not like we were ever going to take that proposal and make it final anyway.
24:18 --> 24:20 [SPEAKER_00]: They just wanted it out there for the positive PR.
24:21 --> 24:21 [SPEAKER_00]: It worked.
24:22 --> 24:22 [SPEAKER_00]: They got me.
24:23 --> 24:23 [SPEAKER_00]: They got me.
24:24 --> 24:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm sitting here saying, I'm much more intrigued all of a sudden if there's serious about a competitive salary floor.
24:30 --> 24:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Bye.
24:31 --> 24:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think this one was ever going to happen and we'll see if they budge on that going forward if it all the sudden comes down or they start to alter proposals, it'll be interesting.
24:41 --> 24:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I saw that someone on Twitter do the math of how much would the top teams have to decrease their payroll and how much would the bottom teams have to increase their payroll to all get within this window and it was like roughly even, there's like $550-yish million dollars
24:58 --> 25:00 [SPEAKER_01]: for the both sides going up and down.
25:00 --> 25:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought that was interesting.
25:02 --> 25:05 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, oh, so most of the money is still there, right?
25:06 --> 25:09 [SPEAKER_01]: It just doesn't all go to.
25:09 --> 25:14 [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't all go to certain players and it gets redistributed elsewhere.
25:14 --> 25:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
25:15 --> 25:17 [SPEAKER_01]: So honestly, a little bit more like the NFL.
25:17 --> 25:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Spread it around.
25:18 --> 25:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, great.
25:20 --> 25:22 [SPEAKER_01]: We get a lot of great mailbag questions as well allow those get discussion.
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27:08 --> 27:16 [SPEAKER_00]: So before we start the mailbag, let me just do one thing here, because we didn't get a direct mailbag question about this, but we did get a good amount of DMs about it.
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27:27 --> 27:38 [SPEAKER_00]: This morning, as you may be listening to this podcast today here on Friday, this is my last day on Brock and Salk on the Brock and Salk show, which is incredibly better sweet.
27:38 --> 27:40 [SPEAKER_00]: It's been an absolute blast.
27:40 --> 27:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Despite what it sometimes sounds like on the air, those guys have been amazing.
27:43 --> 27:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, they've been amazing when they've not been giving them an incredibly hard time about Lyle's lack of knowledge and certain areas about everything.
27:52 --> 27:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
27:52 --> 27:56 [SPEAKER_00]: But no, they've both been great and they've both been great to the two of us.
27:56 --> 28:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I guess I'm around a more than you are, but to the both of us, they have been incredibly helpful.
28:01 --> 28:01 [SPEAKER_00]: They've both been mentors.
28:02 --> 28:07 [SPEAKER_00]: They've both become friends of both of ours and it's truly been awesome.
28:07 --> 28:18 [SPEAKER_00]: But with it being about two years I've been on the show now and, you know, us spending all this time on our other projects, this right here being one of them, a lot of people
28:21 --> 28:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, for you guys, sitting here and listening, nowhere, if anything, you're gonna get more of me, which maybe some of you'll sit there and be like, oh, great, I'm rolling my eyes more of life.
28:31 --> 28:32 [SPEAKER_01]: But I need to buy earplugs.
28:33 --> 28:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
28:34 --> 28:46 [SPEAKER_00]: But the reason I won't be a regular on the show anymore is because TJ and I are now at a point where we feel like we need to and are able to fully focus on our own content.
28:47 --> 28:50 [SPEAKER_00]: And that involves both this, the podcast, and bullpen banner, it's all combined.
28:52 --> 28:58 [SPEAKER_00]: We're in a place now where we're really able to focus on that, which is really, really exciting for the two of us, but
28:59 --> 29:03 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, we say this stuff all the time and we try to hammer it home a lot because we do mean it.
29:03 --> 29:09 [SPEAKER_00]: But that's a complete and utter testament to every single one of you that's sitting here listening.
29:09 --> 29:20 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not possible for us to do that without all the support you guys have given us and everybody that shows up to the live events and puts us between their ears three days a week and watches on social media all the time.
29:20 --> 29:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Like that's the reason we're able to do this and we're able to put so much time and effort into all of that and even do even more so now it's it's totally because of you guys.
29:29 --> 29:56 [SPEAKER_00]: like there's no like I don't think there is any form of repayment that we could give all of you guys back that would suffice for what you guys have done for us but just no like we're always thinking about it we always know the reason why we are where we are and it's because of all you guys and we can appreciate enough you guys have been amazing yeah thank you guys it has been an amazing ride it will be an amazing ride continue to go forward a dog congratulations now you'll get real sleep
29:59 --> 30:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm getting up at nine a.m. from now on, like I don't mind staying up late until 12 1 o'clock to work on things which I often do.
30:06 --> 30:12 [SPEAKER_00]: But it needs to be balanced out by getting up at 8 to 9 in the morning, not at before 5 in the morning.
30:12 --> 30:15 [SPEAKER_00]: That's just it was it was it was getting a little bit untenable.
30:15 --> 30:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, I I truly do love being on the show.
30:17 --> 30:21 [SPEAKER_00]: The schedule is TJ knows behind the scenes too was was getting pretty untenable.
30:21 --> 30:27 [SPEAKER_00]: There was a lot of there's been a lot of days where I am like just crawling through it to get everything done.
30:29 --> 30:36 [SPEAKER_01]: So now we will now the show will experience live with actual sleep, which we haven't gotten in two years.
30:36 --> 30:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
30:36 --> 30:40 [SPEAKER_01]: So maybe even more energy got that's a scary thought.
30:40 --> 30:41 [SPEAKER_01]: But that's a terrible.
30:42 --> 30:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Imagine Kerry Carpenter but I'll actually slap to the night before.
30:46 --> 31:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Actually that night I did sleep the night before because remember that game was on Saturday So we did sleep Yeah, okay, but you also didn't sleep during the week correct so like multiple nights in multiple nights in a row Yeah, there's there's no doubt But yeah, like I and for those who are Brock and talk listeners I will still be an avid listener of the show I'm sure TJ and I will still see them plenty.
31:09 --> 31:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure like I have no plans to lose touch with them.
31:11 --> 31:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully at some point
31:13 --> 31:27 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, there's still ways to be involved with them, maybe at some point we'd fill in with with them or I would fill in with somebody or they'll have me on as a guest down the road at some point I don't think we'll ever lose our connection in relationship with them me or both of us for that matter.
31:27 --> 31:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I just might I just won't be on the show every morning anymore.
31:30 --> 31:33 [SPEAKER_00]: It'll be because we can focus on this which we are very, very excited about.
31:34 --> 31:35 [SPEAKER_01]: This is going to be very exciting.
31:35 --> 31:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Congratulations, Star.
31:36 --> 31:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks, Star.
31:38 --> 31:39 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, my bag of this.
31:39 --> 31:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's get into this mail bag.
31:40 --> 31:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's start off with Jacob on Patreon.
31:43 --> 31:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Jacob's question is, Randy has been really consistent to start this year.
31:48 --> 31:51 [SPEAKER_01]: If Seattle was going to resign him, what do you think the contract would look like?
31:53 --> 31:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Good question.
31:54 --> 31:56 [SPEAKER_00]: So Randy is going to be in his 30s.
31:57 --> 31:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Not a great defender.
32:00 --> 32:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, he does play a little balls to the wall, where it can be a turnoff for some teams or some people.
32:06 --> 32:13 [SPEAKER_00]: but he also year over year has been a well above average bat with real power that has a little bit of speed and provides value.
32:14 --> 32:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I am gonna guess, even Scott Boris aside, his market's gonna sit somewhere between $15 to $20 million year and probably a contract that stems from about three years, maybe four, and with that, I think, in my opinion, maybe TJC's looks different, like,
32:30 --> 32:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that will probably be out of the range of what the Mariners are comfortable paying.
32:34 --> 32:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And that even goes past everything that you'd have to consider with Cal Raleigh and what the relationship is like there and what the total clubhouse dynamic is like with Randy moving forward.
32:44 --> 32:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I think even on player value alone, I don't see the Mariners giving Randy a Rosarana 15 to 20 million dollars a year for multiple years going forward into his studies.
32:55 --> 32:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I had it the same.
32:56 --> 33:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I think his market might be a little higher than that if he's signing at three-year deal.
33:00 --> 33:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I think a three-for-sixy sounds about right for Randy.
33:03 --> 33:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if he wants to come back to Seattle though.
33:06 --> 33:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And... and...
33:09 --> 33:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if he, I don't know if the mayor is one in the back of it.
33:12 --> 33:14 [SPEAKER_01]: No, so it might it might be neutral at this point, right?
33:15 --> 33:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I think Randy wants to be on the East Coast.
33:17 --> 33:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I think Randy would be perfectly happy if you got an opportunity to go back to Florida.
33:21 --> 33:30 [SPEAKER_00]: But if it's not Florida because neither of those teams are really known for spending, though if there was a new system in place where they had to spend, maybe Randy would be more than happy to go sign with the Marlins.
33:30 --> 33:33 [SPEAKER_00]: And the Marlins would just pay him and he'd go play there, possible.
33:33 --> 33:38 [SPEAKER_00]: If not, and he still wants to be on the East Coast, I've heard Divish throw this one out a few times.
33:38 --> 33:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I've heard some other people throw this idea out a few times, and I think it makes sense.
33:42 --> 33:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Randy could go to Boston.
33:44 --> 33:46 [SPEAKER_00]: That team spends, they like to bring stars in.
33:47 --> 33:52 [SPEAKER_00]: He would only have to man that ridiculous green monster, which means, hey, you basically don't have to play any defense out there.
33:53 --> 33:59 [SPEAKER_00]: You can go and get everything that's in front of you, and if something's hit behind you, all you gotta do is watch it go off the wall and play it off the bounds.
33:59 --> 34:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I could see that.
34:01 --> 34:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Randy doesn't really fit the type of player the bearer's spend on in free agency.
34:05 --> 34:19 [SPEAKER_01]: They don't spend on a lot in free agency, but I can tell you that signing a streaky, poor defender who's known to cause chaos in the clubhouse probably not very high on their list of things.
34:21 --> 34:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Not the Brendan Donovan's been the world's greatest defender either.
34:24 --> 34:26 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll not at third base, but he's a little better at some other positions.
34:27 --> 34:30 [SPEAKER_00]: All that being said, Brendan Donovan feels more like a player.
34:30 --> 34:34 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners would consider extending than Randy Arrows Reina.
34:34 --> 34:36 [SPEAKER_00]: He feels like the more likely profile.
34:37 --> 34:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And the Mariners get a draft pick when he walks.
34:39 --> 34:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Randy, yeah.
34:40 --> 34:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
34:41 --> 34:44 [SPEAKER_00]: So that would make them also feel a little bit more comfortable about it.
34:45 --> 35:01 [SPEAKER_00]: let's be clear they get the draft pick if they extend him the qualifying offer and he turns it down which the Mariners will 100% do because if they were to give him the qualifying offer and he'd take it the Mariners would probably say okay Randy for one more year at a little bit of an increased value we can live with that.
35:01 --> 35:12 [SPEAKER_00]: However, Randy Arozer and his agent is Scott Boris and there is a better chance of shooting the moon than Scott Boris letting his player accept a qualifying offer after the year Randy is currently having.
35:12 --> 35:18 [SPEAKER_00]: So he will reject it, he will go to free agency, he will likely sign with another team, and the Mariners get the draft pick back.
35:19 --> 35:25 [SPEAKER_01]: We talked about the impact of what impact players can make when they're having a career year on this team.
35:25 --> 35:27 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what we're seeing with Randy Rosarani.
35:27 --> 35:29 [SPEAKER_01]: He's having a great walk here right now.
35:30 --> 35:32 [SPEAKER_01]: And the Mariners are really, really benefiting from it.
35:32 --> 35:35 [SPEAKER_01]: So exactly because of that, he's definitely not taking that QO.
35:35 --> 35:36 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, I'm playing great.
35:37 --> 35:39 [SPEAKER_01]: My defense of ratings technically are up.
35:39 --> 35:41 [SPEAKER_01]: My offense is as good as it's ever been.
35:41 --> 35:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Why would I take that?
35:42 --> 35:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to get a three to four year deal.
35:44 --> 35:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And make a ton of money, which he deserves.
35:46 --> 35:46 [SPEAKER_01]: He's really earned it.
35:47 --> 35:51 [SPEAKER_01]: By the way, Randy's already made $70 million in his career without being a free agent.
35:52 --> 35:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Is that all from arbitration?
35:54 --> 35:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
35:55 --> 35:56 [SPEAKER_00]: That's pretty wild.
35:57 --> 35:57 [SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of crazy.
35:58 --> 35:59 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a lot of money.
35:59 --> 36:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, usually that chainy wears around.
36:01 --> 36:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that thing exactly costs $200.
36:05 --> 36:08 [SPEAKER_01]: No, maybe out of few zeros to that.
36:08 --> 36:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
36:08 --> 36:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah.
36:09 --> 36:10 [SPEAKER_00]: There's no doubt.
36:11 --> 36:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Next question comes from Alex on Patreon.
36:13 --> 36:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Alex's question is, hey guys, with Julio already swinging a hot bat, are we about to see a defensive version of second half Julio?
36:21 --> 36:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I sure hope so, and you would think this defense is going to correct itself at some point because there's nothing about Julio's game over the first four years of his career that would suggest he's just fallen off as a defender at 25 years old, which is why this has been so puzzling.
36:36 --> 36:38 [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't really know if there's a way to project that.
36:39 --> 36:52 [SPEAKER_00]: You've seen it a little bit more with the offense, and you say, okay, whether he's up, he's had time under his belt, he starts to get more into a rhythm as the summer months go on, and you've seen Julio year over year, get hot in the second half.
36:53 --> 36:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't really know if there's a way to project his defense shooting up in the second half.
36:57 --> 37:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I certainly hope it does, but that one feels more up in the air.
37:01 --> 37:04 [SPEAKER_01]: There's not a way to project because it's defenses to random.
37:04 --> 37:09 [SPEAKER_01]: There's also way fewer chances on defense than there are at the plate.
37:09 --> 37:14 [SPEAKER_01]: The standard top of the order hit or who plays every day.
37:14 --> 37:19 [SPEAKER_01]: La Culeo does is going to get 750 plate appearances.
37:20 --> 37:23 [SPEAKER_01]: And on average in Culeo's career, he's averaged under.
37:23 --> 37:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll use putouts as the number because that's how they calculate fielding percentage.
37:27 --> 37:28 [SPEAKER_01]: And I will use that as the rough.
37:29 --> 37:39 [SPEAKER_01]: like opportunities that Julio gets in the outfield, he gets less than 500 of those on average, including balls that are with in his range.
37:40 --> 37:42 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just not a lot of opportunity.
37:42 --> 37:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Like every miss or make matters a whole lot more in the outfield than it does at the plate.
37:48 --> 37:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Think about this, like if he strikes out on three pitches, the worst possible outcome you can do at the plate.
37:54 --> 37:56 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, oh well, it'll get another right back.
37:57 --> 37:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Julio drops a fly ball in the outfield.
38:00 --> 38:02 [SPEAKER_01]: So what is this fucking guy doing?
38:03 --> 38:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Totally different, the status of it is so much different.
38:10 --> 38:14 [SPEAKER_01]: We're just going to have to hope right like like that that's it.
38:14 --> 38:15 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no way to project that.
38:15 --> 38:21 [SPEAKER_01]: There's just not unfortunately And with second half Julio at least he's done that in past years.
38:21 --> 38:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Events like this is a whole new thing.
38:23 --> 38:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Very very very new So we'll just cross our fingers
38:27 --> 38:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
38:29 --> 38:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Josh on Patreon asks, uh, what do we need to do to get terrible at the deadline and would we get to do two piggybacks in that case?
38:37 --> 38:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Good Lord.
38:38 --> 38:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, I guess we didn't talk about that at the start of the show.
38:41 --> 38:47 [SPEAKER_00]: We don't need to spend that much time on it because we have spent a whole lot of time on the piggyback and we don't want to overkill it for anybody.
38:47 --> 38:52 [SPEAKER_00]: But the Mariners did say they'll be running out the piggyback again this weekend.
38:54 --> 39:07 [SPEAKER_01]: allegedly they talked to Brice Miller and Louise Castillo, though in the in the in the story that Adam Jude wrote, there were not quotes from Louise Castillo or Brice Miller.
39:07 --> 39:09 [SPEAKER_00]: No, and let's be very clear.
39:09 --> 39:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I said it on social media during our post about it.
39:11 --> 39:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll say it again here.
39:12 --> 39:15 [SPEAKER_00]: The frustration here has nothing to do with Adam.
39:15 --> 39:15 [SPEAKER_00]: We love Adam.
39:16 --> 39:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Adam drew that being.
39:16 --> 39:18 [SPEAKER_00]: He's a friend of the show.
39:18 --> 39:19 [SPEAKER_00]: He's become a friend of ours.
39:19 --> 39:20 [SPEAKER_00]: He's a great reporter.
39:20 --> 39:21 [SPEAKER_00]: He wrote a really good story.
39:21 --> 39:22 [SPEAKER_00]: This isn't about him.
39:23 --> 39:29 [SPEAKER_00]: This is about the people that were willing to come out publicly and talk about this and about the conversations that were had internally.
39:29 --> 39:31 [SPEAKER_00]: And the people saying, oh, everything's good.
39:31 --> 39:32 [SPEAKER_00]: We're all set.
39:33 --> 39:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we're in a great place moving forward.
39:35 --> 39:38 [SPEAKER_00]: No, those quotes weren't from Bryce Miller or Louise Castillo.
39:38 --> 39:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Those two were radio silent on this.
39:41 --> 39:47 [SPEAKER_00]: They haven't talked since each of their quotes and reactions on Monday, which caused a lot of riff.
39:47 --> 39:55 [SPEAKER_00]: But quotes about everything's fine were from Dan Wilson who, like, good luck getting anything transparent ever out of him out of that guy, not no shot.
39:55 --> 39:59 [SPEAKER_00]: And then Jared Apoto, who, again, what's he going to say?
39:59 --> 40:01 [SPEAKER_00]: My bad guys, I spearheaded this whole thing.
40:01 --> 40:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Now I've realized I was wrong and we're going to cut the whole thing.
40:05 --> 40:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't, I don't see Jerry saying that publicly.
40:07 --> 40:10 [SPEAKER_00]: So, of course they're going to say it's fine.
40:10 --> 40:12 [SPEAKER_00]: And maybe it is fine in the end.
40:12 --> 40:16 [SPEAKER_00]: But unless we hear it from Bryson Louise, I'm going to have a guard up and I'm going to have some doubts.
40:17 --> 40:22 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll see whenever they roll it out next because they're definitely going to, we're, everyone's going to be watching them.
40:22 --> 40:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, how's your reaction going to be coming off the mound?
40:25 --> 40:28 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you get to say in the post game presser when you pitch in a game, you go to speak post game?
40:29 --> 40:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
40:29 --> 40:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
40:31 --> 40:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, in terms of Terriq's school picky backing, I mean, I might boycott if they traded for scuba and made him piggyback.
40:37 --> 40:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Scott Boris might be happy because he'd be like, oh, you're going to save my guys bullets.
40:40 --> 40:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Great.
40:40 --> 40:41 [SPEAKER_01]: He's not going to piggyback.
40:41 --> 40:45 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners would give him a full rotation spot and someone else would pick it up.
40:45 --> 40:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, of course, I'm, I'm being half as these just with that, but look, I said it a couple episodes ago.
40:51 --> 40:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll say it again.
40:52 --> 40:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I know the Mariners have a absolute influx of pitching.
40:58 --> 41:11 [SPEAKER_00]: But tarick scuba is where everything goes out the window for me for half a season to get that guy on your team for a playoff run to have a true true Ace and arguably the best picture in the whole sport for a playoff run Everything changes.
41:12 --> 41:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I would make a trade for tarick scuba and that trade is not going to involve Kate Anderson Orion Sloan as good as scuba is That's not the type of prospect that would be given up for half a season to somebody.
41:22 --> 41:22 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just not
41:23 --> 41:45 [SPEAKER_01]: what i'd be willing to listen on other prospects to get care school on this roster for a playoff run if the mariners really prove that there are team that can still go win it all yes i know josh is joking with this because there's a laughing emoji at the end of the question you would not do to piggybacks with this you would instead put two starting pictures in the bullpen which is not a bad thing by the way
41:46 --> 41:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, they don't even need to be wrong relievers.
41:48 --> 41:51 [SPEAKER_01]: You need more leverage arms in your bullpen.
41:51 --> 42:02 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're going to trade for terrible scuba, instead of acquiring leverage arms, great way to have leverage arms is just to put your starters in the bullpen and have them throw incredibly hard.
42:02 --> 42:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And so in this case, unfortunately, Bryce Miller and Luis Castillo would both be in the bullpen.
42:07 --> 42:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And still piggybacking.
42:08 --> 42:10 [SPEAKER_00]: And you know, who else would probably be in the bullpen?
42:10 --> 42:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Who we will answer a question about during this male bag?
42:14 --> 42:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Kate Anderson.
42:15 --> 42:18 [SPEAKER_00]: If the Mariners are in the playoffs, Kate Anderson is going to be on this roster.
42:18 --> 42:23 [SPEAKER_00]: He may not be starting, but he will be on the roster because he can help the team win.
42:23 --> 42:24 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's one of the best arms in the org.
42:25 --> 42:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's your full bullpen, then, because then you'll have you'll have Moonios, Brash, Castillo, Miller, and then three lefties, Anderson Ferrer, Spire.
42:36 --> 42:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's seven.
42:38 --> 42:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Who can you name?
42:39 --> 42:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Carlos Farris.
42:41 --> 42:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, God.
42:43 --> 42:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, are we forgetting, wait, did you say Bizarro?
42:46 --> 42:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh no, I didn't.
42:47 --> 42:48 [SPEAKER_00]: There's, there's your eight.
42:48 --> 42:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Is that eight sound pretty good to you?
42:50 --> 42:50 [SPEAKER_00]: It sounds good to me.
42:51 --> 43:20 [SPEAKER_00]: long as Bazaar does not pitching in the seventh inning of game seven with a two-run lead against George springer when he's seen them like five times in the last six games yet now I'd probably put I'd probably put your best reliever in in that spot would you uh yes I would I would do that oh that's weird the mayor certainly did that didn't they yeah uh no they didn't oh no that's weird have they answered have they answer questions about that given sufficient answers about that sense I didn't know oh that's weird they didn't oh no sufficient answers on that
43:22 --> 43:22 [SPEAKER_00]: That was sad.
43:23 --> 43:24 [SPEAKER_01]: That was sad.
43:25 --> 43:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't you think that'd be something new to answer?
43:27 --> 43:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, considering it was the most back-breaking play of maybe in franchise history and cost you chance to go to the World Series.
43:34 --> 43:36 [SPEAKER_00]: You would think there'd be a reason as to why they did that.
43:36 --> 43:37 [SPEAKER_00]: But, oh no, no answers.
43:38 --> 43:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Interesting.
43:40 --> 43:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for the question, Josh.
43:42 --> 43:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Next question comes from Pucci Delgado on Patreon.
43:46 --> 43:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And the question is, among the starters, including Kate Anderson, whose quote-unquote stuff would play best in a high leverage, relief roll, and why?
43:57 --> 44:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, again, I don't want to see Bryce Miller go to the bullpen in the regular season, just so Luis Castillo can start.
44:03 --> 44:09 [SPEAKER_00]: But sure, if you're talking about a playoff series and you're just talking about stuff to play up in the pen, Bryce Miller's would do that.
44:10 --> 44:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Especially because Bryce has spent some time injured over the last couple of years.
44:14 --> 44:20 [SPEAKER_00]: If you needed him in short spurts, especially the way he's throwing now and how hard he's throwing, to let him max out for a couple of things.
44:20 --> 44:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I think his stuff would really play up in a playoff series.
44:23 --> 44:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, he's the one guy in this rotation we ever had a serious conversation about pitching in the bullpen.
44:28 --> 44:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, preseason 2024, right, and we're talking like if he can't figure out lefties, this is a reliever, right.
44:37 --> 44:42 [SPEAKER_01]: And then he did, and then he figured it out and had a sub 3 ERA for the 2024 season.
44:42 --> 44:44 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, he proved he could definitely start.
44:45 --> 44:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Bryce Miller has the biggest difference in stuff when he's throwing 98, 99 versus 94, which I think is important.
44:54 --> 45:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Bryce Miller 94, we saw last year when he was injured, he was trying really hard to throw hard, wasn't throwing hard news getting crushed.
45:02 --> 45:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Now that he's throwing 99 miles an hour, it's only been two appearances so far this season, but he has, I mean, he's been dominant.
45:12 --> 45:18 [SPEAKER_01]: He's been as dominant as we've seen him in a Mariners uniform, and the stuff looks as good as possible.
45:19 --> 45:23 [SPEAKER_01]: So imagine that, in a bullpen, high leverage role, I think that would work out.
45:24 --> 45:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I just, it's a bigger increase in stuff than Kirby would have in the bullpen.
45:28 --> 45:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a bigger increase than what Logan would have in the bullpen.
45:31 --> 45:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Emerson's stuff would play up in the bullpen, but I think he's been pretty dang good in the rotation right now and I don't really wanna move him out.
45:41 --> 45:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Now it would work.
45:42 --> 45:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I love Kate, but he's never thrown a big league pitch.
45:44 --> 45:45 [SPEAKER_01]: So, sorry.
45:45 --> 45:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
45:46 --> 45:47 [SPEAKER_00]: just need more time.
45:47 --> 45:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
45:49 --> 45:50 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a fun one to think about.
45:50 --> 45:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And again, maybe in the postseason at this rate, Bryce Miller's thrown out of the bullpen.
45:55 --> 45:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
45:56 --> 45:59 [SPEAKER_01]: It helps out to think about a postseason rotation right now.
45:59 --> 46:00 [SPEAKER_01]: They would.
46:00 --> 46:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, it's especially if you add tarick scuba to it.
46:03 --> 46:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
46:04 --> 46:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, let's cross that bridge when they get there.
46:07 --> 46:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
46:08 --> 46:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I mean, Zander has a question about multiple relievers.
46:11 --> 46:17 [SPEAKER_01]: He says I went to visit some struggling teams and back in bullpen pieces that may be available.
46:17 --> 46:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Please feel free to give some thoughts on all or some of these as fits.
46:22 --> 46:22 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
46:22 --> 46:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's run through the list.
46:24 --> 46:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Carlos Estevez.
46:27 --> 46:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'd be interested.
46:28 --> 46:30 [SPEAKER_00]: He's injured, but interested.
46:30 --> 46:31 [SPEAKER_00]: It's his stuff.
46:31 --> 46:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Still good.
46:33 --> 46:34 [SPEAKER_00]: As far as I know,
46:35 --> 46:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I think.
46:37 --> 46:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I remember we're still in really soft this year, but I think that's because he was hurt last reaction ended up throwing decently hard, but I remember watching him against the Mariners, and I wasn't that impressed.
46:46 --> 46:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
46:49 --> 46:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, this year, well, never mind, never mind.
46:51 --> 46:53 [SPEAKER_00]: He's thrown a third of editing this year, so that doesn't count.
46:54 --> 46:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I was just looking at it at the advanced page, but it's been even less innings than I realized.
46:57 --> 46:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, especially if it's a
47:01 --> 47:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you can, look, you would have to prove he's healthy.
47:07 --> 47:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if he is the slam dunk guy to be your lever jar with this point because you're right.
47:11 --> 47:12 [SPEAKER_00]: He is getting up there in age.
47:12 --> 47:13 [SPEAKER_00]: She is 33.
47:13 --> 47:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Last year, looking at his subon page, you do start to see the swing and miss numbers really start to drop off.
47:20 --> 47:23 [SPEAKER_00]: But you could at least be, you know, open-minded.
47:25 --> 47:27 [SPEAKER_01]: That one's probably a no for me.
47:29 --> 47:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't I don't think he fills the role you want.
47:31 --> 47:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
47:33 --> 47:35 [SPEAKER_01]: So, uh, Devin Williams.
47:36 --> 47:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yes, and by default, since we bang the drum for him so hard, yes, but what a what an odd year for Devin for Devin Williams.
47:44 --> 47:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, his ERA for the season is unfortunately sitting at six.
47:50 --> 47:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he is he is not by results put up good numbers and he hasn't by whip either.
47:54 --> 47:55 [SPEAKER_00]: It's sitting at one seven.
47:56 --> 48:01 [SPEAKER_00]: But then again, you go to his Savampage man and he is punching out a ridiculous amount of hitters.
48:01 --> 48:02 [SPEAKER_00]: He's getting a ton of swing and mess.
48:02 --> 48:04 [SPEAKER_00]: He's getting a ton of chase.
48:04 --> 48:05 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not getting hit hard.
48:06 --> 48:10 [SPEAKER_00]: It's everything you want to see in the profile of a leverage reliever.
48:10 --> 48:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Sans the walks.
48:11 --> 48:13 [SPEAKER_00]: But the walks is in anything new with Devon Williams.
48:13 --> 48:19 [SPEAKER_00]: The one hamstring he has had in his profile through his whole career is he gives up some base runners.
48:19 --> 48:21 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's because his stuff is so nasty.
48:24 --> 48:49 [SPEAKER_00]: there are there are some layers to this how much of the money or the meds willing to eat when they trade on how much would they want back from the mariners but if it's a reasonable deal am I still interested in devan Williams yes I'm on the fence about devan Williams so just probably bad all the swing a miss stuff looks great the money is negligible i think because it's honestly is not making as much as he could be
48:55 --> 49:00 [SPEAKER_01]: He's from like 93, he's been a guy who throws 96, 97 instead.
49:00 --> 49:01 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a problem.
49:01 --> 49:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a problem.
49:03 --> 49:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
49:03 --> 49:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to be trading for two and a half years of a reliever making a ton of money to throw 93.
49:09 --> 49:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm looking at it.
49:13 --> 49:15 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not, I mean, it's a little down from last year.
49:15 --> 49:18 [SPEAKER_00]: It's about a mile down from two years ago, which is a bit.
49:19 --> 49:26 [SPEAKER_00]: But like for example, 2022, he was throwing 93.9 right now.
49:26 --> 49:29 [SPEAKER_00]: He's throwing 93.6 and in 2022, he had a good year.
49:30 --> 49:31 [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know.
49:31 --> 49:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Is that what it is?
49:32 --> 49:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Is it all Velo?
49:35 --> 49:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, maybe it's not as much Velo as I, and I think I remembered him throwing harder.
49:42 --> 49:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess the year he threw really hard is that his first like real breakout year, which was just like 2021 and it was 26, that was a long time ago.
49:52 --> 50:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was going to say I don't really ever remember Devon Williams over the last five years, having like 99 type stuff.
50:00 --> 50:03 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the ridiculous change up he's got and then good fastball.
50:03 --> 50:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Not in a league fastball, but a good fastball.
50:07 --> 50:12 [SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, I don't think he's really consistently ever pumped 98, 99 in his career.
50:13 --> 50:14 [SPEAKER_01]: The good thing with him is the swing and miss is still there.
50:14 --> 50:18 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's the most important thing you look for in a reliever, swing and miss in ground ball.
50:19 --> 50:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And he has that, right?
50:20 --> 50:22 [SPEAKER_01]: So he's an option for the Mariners.
50:22 --> 50:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
50:24 --> 50:24 [SPEAKER_01]: A worldist champion.
50:27 --> 50:29 [SPEAKER_00]: This is a really complicated one.
50:30 --> 50:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean look man.
50:31 --> 50:33 [SPEAKER_00]: He's only on a one-year deal, right?
50:33 --> 50:34 [SPEAKER_00]: So he's on a one-year deal.
50:34 --> 50:38 [SPEAKER_00]: He continues to just dominate like by the numbers.
50:38 --> 50:42 [SPEAKER_00]: He hasn't I mean he looks like he didness 20s.
50:42 --> 50:44 [SPEAKER_00]: He is still throwing in triple digits.
50:44 --> 50:46 [SPEAKER_00]: He is still putting up ridiculous numbers.
50:47 --> 50:50 [SPEAKER_00]: His ERA is still like incredibly low.
50:53 --> 51:08 [SPEAKER_00]: The problem you get into with him, and it, like we try not to dive into these conversations that much because it's not worth it, but like, he's not exactly the world's star people human being to put it lightly, and the Mariners do usually avoid guys like that.
51:09 --> 51:16 [SPEAKER_01]: He's got character concerns, he's done some things in a past which have teams take him off their board.
51:17 --> 51:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
51:17 --> 51:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And the Mariners, I feel like have been pretty consistent with that.
51:20 --> 51:23 [SPEAKER_01]: This is the type of guy they would not go after.
51:23 --> 51:29 [SPEAKER_01]: He's great, great baseball player, but they'd be like, yeah, no, this is just not something we're interested in.
51:30 --> 51:33 [SPEAKER_01]: This is not the vibe we wanna inject into this clubhouse.
51:33 --> 51:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
51:34 --> 51:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, again, by the numbers, it is crazy.
51:36 --> 51:45 [SPEAKER_00]: He's 38 years old, his ERA is 0.5.1, and he's currently striking out nearly 34% of his hitters, which is, again, it's nuts.
51:45 --> 51:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, or all this Chapman's probably going to be a Hall of Famer.
51:47 --> 51:49 [SPEAKER_00]: We're not, we're not debunking that.
51:50 --> 51:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if the Mariners would bring him into their organization.
51:55 --> 51:56 [SPEAKER_00]: What about Garrett Whitlock?
51:58 --> 52:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, again, another interesting arm, certainly you'd have to at least have a conversation, you'd have to be open-minded.
52:04 --> 52:07 [SPEAKER_00]: But you think the Red Sox trade-wet lock?
52:07 --> 52:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, look, he has been good.
52:09 --> 52:10 [SPEAKER_00]: You think they trade them?
52:10 --> 52:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Is he actually, I don't know off the top of my head.
52:13 --> 52:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Is he in his walk here?
52:14 --> 52:17 [SPEAKER_01]: No, he's got two club options left.
52:17 --> 52:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so I did have that right.
52:19 --> 52:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought he was on under more club control than one year.
52:22 --> 52:26 [SPEAKER_00]: So if he's got that much control, what the Red Sox give him up, I'd be a little surprised.
52:27 --> 52:30 [SPEAKER_01]: No, and they wouldn't for a lot of capital.
52:31 --> 52:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
52:32 --> 52:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think he's good enough to give up a ton of capital for sure.
52:38 --> 52:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Training for a reliever with a ton of control, like the Met's did with Edwin Diaz, it's a value malpractice is what it is.
52:47 --> 52:51 [SPEAKER_00]: If the Mariners are going to give up significant value and true prospects for a lever jarm.
52:52 --> 52:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Go get Joe on to random.
52:54 --> 52:58 [SPEAKER_00]: If the Phillies are really out of it, that's the example of an arm you give up a whole lot for.
52:59 --> 53:02 [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't think Garrett Whitlock's quite that guy.
53:02 --> 53:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Joe on to random, oh, he's that guy.
53:05 --> 53:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, Phillies aren't as out of it these days.
53:08 --> 53:10 [SPEAKER_00]: No, and that's the unfortunate reality.
53:10 --> 53:12 [SPEAKER_00]: It would take them really be an out of it for them to trade them.
53:13 --> 53:18 [SPEAKER_01]: A handful of Tigers' relievers, Tyler Holtton, Kenley Jansson, Will Vest or Kyle Finnegan.
53:20 --> 53:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe interesting Vest,
53:23 --> 53:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, the others, and like Kenley Jansson's pretty old at this point, I don't think you can really rely on him as a leverage arm.
53:30 --> 53:38 [SPEAKER_00]: He, like, he doesn't have the character concerns by any stretch that somebody like our all this Chapman has, but he has been known to be a bit of a diva in his past.
53:38 --> 53:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Remember the end of his tenure with the Red Sox, and he just magically disappeared the final five days of the season, and he's just like, well, I'm out.
53:45 --> 53:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, it seems like a problem, right, and he just doesn't have the same stuff anymore.
53:50 --> 53:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, look, Vest again is a guy you'd buy a low on at this point because by the number is wow, he has been bad.
53:56 --> 53:57 [SPEAKER_00]: He's been just right.
53:57 --> 54:02 [SPEAKER_00]: But would you at least inquire if it's going to be for the right value?
54:02 --> 54:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
54:03 --> 54:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, his ground ball rates still lead.
54:04 --> 54:05 [SPEAKER_00]: He's still missing bats.
54:06 --> 54:07 [SPEAKER_00]: He just hasn't got results yet.
54:08 --> 54:33 [SPEAKER_01]: you could trade almost nothing and get him in your bullpen and then you hope that you ignite a fire and get two good months out of them right at the end of the season right in Tyler Holden's kind of whatever who's the righty who's thrown against them who's just shoving it down their throat or the bunch of them are you talking about the dude who started game one yes yeah but he's a he's a rookie remember they wouldn't trade him no
54:35 --> 54:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Who's nasty, nasty, dominated the Mariners?
54:38 --> 54:39 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I know the name.
54:39 --> 54:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Why am I blanking on this name?
54:40 --> 54:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna have to look it up, but I'll get it.
54:41 --> 54:45 [SPEAKER_00]: It was, come on, I know who this was.
54:47 --> 54:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Somebody in the comments will probably get it before we do, which is not good, we should know this, but oh, Troy Melton, that's what it is.
54:53 --> 54:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Troy Melton, oh my god.
54:54 --> 54:56 [SPEAKER_01]: He melted down Mariners, but yes.
54:57 --> 55:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately, dog, he is a free agent in 2032.
55:00 --> 55:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think the Tigers will be trading him.
55:04 --> 55:05 [SPEAKER_01]: No, all right, two more.
55:06 --> 55:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Juan Mejia or Jimmy Hurgot from the Rockies.
55:11 --> 55:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess those just again when we talk about needing a true leverage arm I don't know with either of them or really the guy.
55:19 --> 55:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean okay Mahia it's the same story as a lot of the guys we've already talked about on this list.
55:25 --> 55:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Are some of the things under the hood that he's doing in training for sure missing bats isn't giving up hard contact.
55:31 --> 55:33 [SPEAKER_00]: The results haven't really been there.
55:33 --> 55:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Four six ERA whip is one five.
55:36 --> 55:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Like that, that's not Joe on to ran.
55:39 --> 55:42 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not saying the mariners are gonna get Joe on to ran if the fillings are winning.
55:42 --> 55:48 [SPEAKER_00]: But when you're shooting high, if you're really trying to get a difference making reliever, I don't know if that's one, and here.
55:48 --> 55:52 [SPEAKER_01]: And why trade for that when you could probably get that production within your own org?
55:53 --> 55:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, is that not just what Brock Moore is gonna do?
55:56 --> 55:58 [SPEAKER_00]: You'd hope, you'd certainly hope.
55:58 --> 55:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, hope he does better.
55:59 --> 55:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
56:01 --> 56:10 [SPEAKER_00]: And I know that Colorado inflates the RAs and it's not always perfect, but again, neither her get or Machia have been dominant.
56:12 --> 56:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm with you.
56:13 --> 56:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Some solid options in there, but for the most part, like if it's a reliever who you would slot into the six seven or eight spot in your bullpen, at that point, it's just like, is that worth it?
56:23 --> 56:27 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, are you getting that much of a difference in my opinion, not really?
56:28 --> 56:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, like go get a true guy, like a true difference maker.
56:32 --> 56:39 [SPEAKER_00]: And for somebody like, again, one of those Rockies guys, I mean, unless I'm blanking and they have absurd home road splits,
56:40 --> 56:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like Mehea weirdly has been way worse on the road than he's been at home.
56:44 --> 56:47 [SPEAKER_00]: So it just in general, I don't think it would be somebody like that.
56:48 --> 56:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Although Xander shout out to you, that was a lot of names.
56:51 --> 56:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Those are a lot of interesting conversations.
56:53 --> 56:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure those will be names will bring up this summer as the deadline gets closer.
56:56 --> 57:01 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think the Mariners need to go get a true guy, true like dominant reliever.
57:02 --> 57:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Evan on Patreon asks, do you think if for no other reason, the piggyback had served as the purpose of keeping Castillo busy and upping his trade value?
57:13 --> 57:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Certainly an option.
57:14 --> 57:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we've, I think we've grown it out there over the past couple weeks that is it possible the Mariners are circulating that idea that they're hoping to upcast the O's trade value to get something for them?
57:24 --> 57:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, possible.
57:25 --> 57:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I just don't think it's going to be anything sufficient.
57:28 --> 57:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what they'd get for them, especially with that salary, other than some low end prospects.
57:32 --> 57:36 [SPEAKER_00]: And at that point, it's not worth it, because you need starters depth throughout the year.
57:37 --> 57:45 [SPEAKER_00]: All the headache of this piggyback aside, if somebody in this rotation unfortunately gets hurt, you are going to need Luis Castillo and he's going to be right back in that rotation.
57:46 --> 57:49 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think you need the starter's depth through the rest of the year.
57:50 --> 58:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, if you think Kate Anderson's ready next year and you like where the timeline of Logan Evans is when in terms of him getting back next year and there's truly just no room for Castillo along with Sloan getting closer and closer, then maybe this offseason, you revisit that.
58:03 --> 58:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Mid year, I just don't see how trading him is worth it.
58:07 --> 58:31 [SPEAKER_01]: What I don't understand with raising the trade value is, is this value like really, is it really going up with him piggybacking because your piggybacking, piggybacking him to make him more valuable as a starter, so you're pitching the teams that he's a starter, but when he starts he is an era of six, right, is that very high, making twenty four million dollars a year.
58:32 --> 58:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's going to be very hard to get somebody else's value might be higher if you stick them in the bulb and he looks great But in that case, just keep them right I think they're going to keep them yeah
58:43 --> 58:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Kelley on Patreon asks a really good question, while hanging for this one.
58:48 --> 58:57 [SPEAKER_01]: For give me if this has already been discussed, but I can't help but wonder if this whole 50th anniversary season comes into play when it comes to keeping slash firing Dan Wilson.
58:58 --> 59:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Not that I think the M's would do it right now anyways, but he's obviously gonna be part of the celebration in August.
59:03 --> 59:06 [SPEAKER_01]: It would be weird and awkward if he was fired prior to that.
59:07 --> 59:13 [SPEAKER_00]: You know Kelly it's funny you bring that up because you are not the first person that I've heard that from.
59:13 --> 59:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I've had some other friends circulate that exact idea which is as crazy as it sounds actually not the craziest theory in the world.
59:25 --> 59:35 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just not because whether it's right or not the man has really seemed to care about that stuff like those promotional nights and how they're presented.
59:37 --> 59:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, look, if you listen to this podcast, I don't think we've exactly hid what our feelings on Dan Wilson are.
59:43 --> 59:46 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I just, I don't know.
59:46 --> 01:00:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, again, it's a, it's a really interesting theory and it's not the first time I've heard it, but I just, unfortunately, I, if it's a factor, I mean, and I think there's a chance it is some small factor, that yeah, that could, that could be a small thing that plays into it.
01:00:07 --> 01:00:12 [SPEAKER_01]: If the Mariners were 10 games under 500 right now, I think this is a real conversation.
01:00:13 --> 01:00:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes.
01:00:13 --> 01:00:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Especially if they were hanging on to him for two, it was like, it was obvious it was time.
01:00:17 --> 01:00:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Like totally out, like it's time for him to go.
01:00:20 --> 01:00:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And the Mariners were hanging on to him.
01:00:22 --> 01:00:23 [SPEAKER_01]: This isn't a 10-foil hat.
01:00:23 --> 01:00:25 [SPEAKER_01]: This might just be a fact, right?
01:00:25 --> 01:00:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Because it's understandable, it's a top spot for the Mariners to be in at that point.
01:00:30 --> 01:00:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this is, again, this is part of the reason I think he was hired in the first place, man.
01:00:35 --> 01:00:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's not forget.
01:00:37 --> 01:00:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think Jerry DePoto was exactly like smooth sailing when service got fired because he at that point had made the playoffs once and about nine years.
01:00:48 --> 01:00:50 [SPEAKER_00]: There was some conversation at that point.
01:00:50 --> 01:00:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying it was definitive, but there was at least among the fanbase and conversation about what his future look like in Seattle.
01:00:57 --> 01:01:04 [SPEAKER_00]: It, in general, hiring Dan Wilson makes him very, very hard to let go because he's this.
01:01:04 --> 01:01:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to put it in quotes.
01:01:06 --> 01:01:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Franchise Icon.
01:01:07 --> 01:01:13 [SPEAKER_00]: He had a crew 80 WRC plus and was like a below league average offensive catcher, but he's in the team Hall of Fame.
01:01:13 --> 01:01:15 [SPEAKER_00]: So according to the Mariners, he's a franchise Icon.
01:01:16 --> 01:01:26 [SPEAKER_00]: So it makes them very hard to let go and it feels like in a lot of ways at the time if you want to speculate why in the world that higher happened because it still doesn't make any sense how the process went down.
01:01:26 --> 01:01:29 [SPEAKER_00]: You can't help but wonder if it was a little bit of a human shield.
01:01:30 --> 01:01:34 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're the front office and you're pitching, hey man, the problem was Scott's service.
01:01:34 --> 01:01:36 [SPEAKER_00]: We need a changing culture in the clubhouse.
01:01:38 --> 01:01:39 [SPEAKER_00]: The fixed to it all will be Dan Wilson.
01:01:40 --> 01:01:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Like you've now attached your job to that.
01:01:42 --> 01:01:45 [SPEAKER_00]: And you know how hard he is to let go in that situation.
01:01:46 --> 01:01:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I don't think I'm putting on a tin foil hat by putting that out there.
01:01:49 --> 01:01:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I think you could have, I think that absolutely could have played in to the potential hiring of them.
01:01:56 --> 01:02:02 [SPEAKER_01]: But also, if they were to actually fire him from the manager job, you just have a job somewhere else in the organization.
01:02:03 --> 01:02:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was going to say, and that's why ultimately, if you really decided you need a managerial change sooner rather than later, I mean, you could PR spend it in a way that's good enough where you could still have a mayor for the celebrations during the 50th.
01:02:19 --> 01:02:30 [SPEAKER_00]: anniversary where it's like okay you can let them put out a PR statement that's like I've loved my time as a manager but I want to spend more time with my family I just realized this was the best time to step away from it.
01:02:30 --> 01:02:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm still going to have some role in the organization and then he celebrates during the 50th anniversary like something like that could be a thing if they really wanted to PR spend it but
01:02:41 --> 01:02:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know for at that place yet.
01:02:43 --> 01:02:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, well, what we, sorry, let me, let me be clear.
01:02:47 --> 01:02:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if the mariners are in that place yet.
01:02:49 --> 01:02:51 [SPEAKER_00]: How we feel is different than how the mariners feel.
01:02:51 --> 01:02:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
01:02:53 --> 01:02:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't.
01:02:54 --> 01:02:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm still not convinced like Jerry can fire Dan Wilson.
01:02:58 --> 01:02:59 [SPEAKER_01]: You mean hired up?
01:02:59 --> 01:03:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Like the owner's allow it.
01:03:01 --> 01:03:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Like it's like, oh, oh, oh, I see.
01:03:04 --> 01:03:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Meaning that Jerry's job is directly tied to Dan Wilson.
01:03:07 --> 01:03:09 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, if you're firing Dan, then you're gone too.
01:03:10 --> 01:03:12 [SPEAKER_01]: You think that's still a possibility?
01:03:12 --> 01:03:13 [SPEAKER_01]: A hundred percent.
01:03:13 --> 01:03:14 [SPEAKER_00]: They have, have they want anything?
01:03:15 --> 01:03:22 [SPEAKER_00]: No, but doesn't it feel like after what happened last year that the front office has really bought themselves a lot of time, no matter what?
01:03:23 --> 01:03:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, it feels like it.
01:03:27 --> 01:03:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Because let's keep in mind here.
01:03:29 --> 01:03:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Has acquiring big league talent been their strength at all times?
01:03:33 --> 01:03:35 [SPEAKER_00]: No, like they have had some real misses.
01:03:36 --> 01:03:37 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, like is,
01:03:38 --> 01:03:46 [SPEAKER_00]: are media quotes and PR and like their PR always on point in terms of Jerry DePoto like not a front office thing.
01:03:46 --> 01:03:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I've said it before.
01:03:46 --> 01:03:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I actually think Hollanders very, very, very good with the press in the media.
01:03:51 --> 01:03:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I think his answers are transparent.
01:03:54 --> 01:03:55 [SPEAKER_00]: They're candid.
01:03:55 --> 01:03:59 [SPEAKER_00]: They're informational and he does it all without throwing anybody under the bus or airing out secrets.
01:03:59 --> 01:04:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I think Hollanders very good with it has Jerry been a master class of PR.
01:04:03 --> 01:04:06 [SPEAKER_00]: No, far from it and you don't need me to highlight all the examples.
01:04:07 --> 01:04:27 [SPEAKER_00]: But all that being said, between the Big League talent and the PR stuff, between what they did last year, and just how rich the farm system is at this point, I actually feel like he is bought himself enough goodwill, where he wouldn't necessarily have to be tied to the manager anymore more than Dan.
01:04:29 --> 01:04:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Jerry's bought more grace than Dan.
01:04:32 --> 01:04:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I think, again, like that, like what he's done throughout the organization.
01:04:36 --> 01:04:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Even if he can be a tough pill to swallow in the media and in public.
01:04:40 --> 01:04:46 [SPEAKER_00]: he has done a lot in that farm system to ensure that the Mariners just about every year are going to be at least competitive.
01:04:47 --> 01:04:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we talked about it today with Keith Law's new top 100 that has Kate Anderson at four and Ryan Sloan at eight.
01:04:53 --> 01:05:02 [SPEAKER_00]: You're talking about six big league starters, two additional top 10 prospects that are both pitchers, and Colt Emerson isn't even on the list anymore, it was called up.
01:05:03 --> 01:05:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Like he's done a lot with the farm and who else is in the top 20?
01:05:11 --> 01:05:16 [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't think the two jobs are attached.
01:05:16 --> 01:05:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Mate, now when Dan was hired, I do think they were potentially attached.
01:05:21 --> 01:05:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Now I think it's more separate.
01:05:23 --> 01:05:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Personal.
01:05:23 --> 01:05:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
01:05:24 --> 01:05:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, this is going to lead us great into our next question.
01:05:27 --> 01:05:28 [SPEAKER_01]: We have two left.
01:05:28 --> 01:05:29 [SPEAKER_01]: This one comes from Nick on Patreon.
01:05:29 --> 01:05:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Nick's question is, why aren't we blaming Jerry Moore for poor roster construction regarding the dreaded quote unquote piggyback?
01:05:38 --> 01:05:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Nick continues on and says we could probably afford to lose a bench piece, go to a six-man rotation and retain the bullpen arm if we didn't have three right fielders.
01:05:48 --> 01:05:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me I'm going to clarify this for Nick.
01:05:51 --> 01:05:55 [SPEAKER_01]: You have to have 13 pictures and 13 position players on your roster.
01:05:55 --> 01:05:59 [SPEAKER_01]: You cannot sacrifice a position player to add an extra picture.
01:06:00 --> 01:06:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise, the Mariners might have might do that.
01:06:02 --> 01:06:04 [SPEAKER_01]: They might run a bat short.
01:06:05 --> 01:06:08 [SPEAKER_01]: and run a six-man rotation in a full ball pit.
01:06:08 --> 01:06:09 [SPEAKER_01]: But they can't do that.
01:06:10 --> 01:06:10 [SPEAKER_00]: That's correct.
01:06:10 --> 01:06:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I was going to say it has to be 13 arms and it has to be 13 position players.
01:06:14 --> 01:06:19 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's why they're they're not shifting it around that way.
01:06:20 --> 01:06:24 [SPEAKER_01]: But if you don't think this idea works, then you can blame Jerry because I'm pretty sure this is his idea.
01:06:25 --> 01:06:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
01:06:26 --> 01:06:27 [SPEAKER_00]: No, you can absolutely blame him for that.
01:06:27 --> 01:06:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And again, if you want to put blame on him for having a lot of misses in terms of acquisition of big league talent, that is totally fair.
01:06:34 --> 01:06:34 [SPEAKER_00]: It's warranted.
01:06:34 --> 01:06:36 [SPEAKER_00]: They have had a lot of misses.
01:06:36 --> 01:06:40 [SPEAKER_00]: They have spent some real money on guys that have not worked.
01:06:40 --> 01:06:44 [SPEAKER_00]: But, again, I think there's still a lot of other good he's done.
01:06:44 --> 01:06:49 [SPEAKER_00]: But, yes, like, there's almost no doubt this was his idea, the piggyback.
01:06:50 --> 01:06:50 [SPEAKER_00]: So,
01:06:51 --> 01:06:56 [SPEAKER_00]: With that, if you don't like it and you're not a fan of it, which we're not, then it is fair to put blame on Jerry.
01:06:56 --> 01:06:58 [SPEAKER_00]: It is fair to say, why aren't you doing something different?
01:06:59 --> 01:06:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:06:59 --> 01:06:59 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
01:07:00 --> 01:07:01 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
01:07:01 --> 01:07:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Last question comes from Ben on Patreon.
01:07:03 --> 01:07:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Ben's question is, do we feel like this Mariners team will be going all in this year like last year or will they stay on the fence?
01:07:11 --> 01:07:13 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I think they'll be pretty aggressive at the deadline.
01:07:13 --> 01:07:23 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners have proven basically for the last five years, every year, but 2023, which was a real headache of a deadline, when they traded C-walled and then didn't really do anything else.
01:07:23 --> 01:07:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I remember how weird that was.
01:07:24 --> 01:07:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, they've traded C-walled, but then they didn't full sell otherwise.
01:07:28 --> 01:07:29 [SPEAKER_00]: They didn't totally buy otherwise.
01:07:29 --> 01:07:31 [SPEAKER_00]: It was very, very middleing.
01:07:31 --> 01:07:32 [SPEAKER_00]: And they were not a middle.
01:07:33 --> 01:07:36 [SPEAKER_00]: No, it made a lot of people really mad, which I get.
01:07:36 --> 01:07:37 [SPEAKER_00]: But let's not harp on that.
01:07:42 --> 01:07:44 [SPEAKER_00]: So three to the last four they've been really aggressive.
01:07:44 --> 01:07:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I think they'll be aggressive again And if you meet all in in terms of what they did last year, then sure by that definition I do think they'll be all in because they didn't have to give up significant prospect capital to get Josh Nailer and AU any Oswaras
01:07:57 --> 01:08:01 [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't think it'd be crazy to see them get make moves like that again.
01:08:01 --> 01:08:02 [SPEAKER_00]: They could even one up it from there.
01:08:02 --> 01:08:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they do finally trade somebody out of their top 100 this summer to get a big piece to help this team get over the top.
01:08:08 --> 01:08:12 [SPEAKER_00]: And I still don't think that'd be going all in because they have such a loaded farm system.
01:08:12 --> 01:08:16 [SPEAKER_00]: And they're about to get somebody else into their farm system in terms of whoever they drafts in the first round.
01:08:17 --> 01:08:19 [SPEAKER_01]: They have a lot of pitching depth.
01:08:20 --> 01:08:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, eventually they could decide they want to trade one of those guys.
01:08:23 --> 01:08:26 [SPEAKER_01]: If the trade package coming back works.
01:08:27 --> 01:08:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Not seeing that's going to happen at the deadline because that could be a really complicated and huge package.
01:08:33 --> 01:08:40 [SPEAKER_01]: But at some point, maybe, and that's like how the Mariners will look at their resources at the deadline and evaluate who they can and who they can't move.
01:08:41 --> 01:08:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the Mariners are going to be aggressive again, especially looking at the league this year.
01:08:46 --> 01:09:06 [SPEAKER_01]: the mariners know how they can go out there and be competitive and they might think they won't be out of first place the rest of the season after retaking first place this past week which would be amazing for us imagine that four months in first place would be unheard of literally unheard of literally unprecedented in our time as a fan and maybe any mariners fans
01:09:13 --> 01:09:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I lost my turn if that.
01:09:13 --> 01:09:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, they're going to be aggressive.
01:09:14 --> 01:09:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the only concern you have at the deadline about being quote unquote all in is that if every other team in the American League thinks they're still in it because they're all bad.
01:09:22 --> 01:09:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Then no not as many players are available, but I still think enough players will be available.
01:09:29 --> 01:09:30 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners usually find a way.
01:09:30 --> 01:09:34 [SPEAKER_00]: When they want to be aggressive, they usually are pretty good about going out and making things happen at the deadline.
01:09:34 --> 01:09:36 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, yeah, I agree.
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