Episode 425: Are The Mariners Preparing To Trade A Starter At The Deadline? + Reacting To Series Win Against The Blue Jays

00:00:00 Speaker 1: Old. 00:00:00 Speaker 2: In episode number four twenty five of the Marine Layer Podcast, the Mariners have won two series. 00:00:04 Speaker 1: In a row. 00:00:05 Speaker 3: Let's give it up. Let's give it up. 00:00:06 Speaker 2: It's a miracle take two of three against the Toronto Blue Jays. We'll talk about that, and we'll talk about the Mariners' final road trip of the first half as they head to the state of Florida to close out the first half. 00:00:17 Speaker 1: Reminder of you guys before we start this episode, just make sure you're doing us a couple of favors. Go download these podcast episodes and leave that five star review if you're listening, if you're watching on YouTube, just go hit that subscribe button. You can see it right in front of you. You can find us on our website marine layerpod dot com, where episodes are there, podcast merch is there, patreons all there. That's at marine layerpod dot com. And then check us out on social media. We're everywhere and we're posting content every day at Marine Layer Pods. 00:00:44 Speaker 3: Let's get it rolling. 00:00:59 Speaker 2: And welcome you to this episode of the Marine Layer Podcast, part of the Just Baseball Podcast Network, Recording here on Sunday afternoon, July fifth, live here at the Hall and Occidental had one of our watch parties here after Game three of the game, the series against the Blue Jays. The Mariners now have one series left in the first half as they head to Miami and head to Tampa Bay Series two series. Yeah, two series, one trip into one state. Well, they won two series in a row. I haven't been able to say that that much. 00:01:31 Speaker 1: Yeah, so what is this the third time? I think so all year? 00:01:35 Speaker 3: I think that sounds about right. 00:01:37 Speaker 1: I mean, you had the eight game win streak, you had the two series at the end of April against the Twins and the Cardinals. Dude, that might be it. The difference is they had just lost two series in a row. So unfortunately, you're not really making up much ground. You won two series. The yo yo's continuing, the yo yo continues, but you're making up the two series you lost. So that's about it. 00:01:58 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:01:59 Speaker 2: So yeah, that is right. So for the third time all season, the Mariners have won two series in a row. I said this in our reaction, and I'm gonna say it right here. I just want to be proven wrong about their yo yo tendencies on this final road trip. 00:02:12 Speaker 3: Like the way it's lining up right now. 00:02:14 Speaker 2: You have the Marlins, who are one of the best team in baseball in the month of June, they win what twenty and six in June. And then you're facing Tampa Bay, who is also on scorch shirt right now, and they have one of the best hitters in Major League Baseball and junior Cameronaro. And you're facing both these teams on the road. And I don't believe I think the Marlins were playing in the Orange Bowl the last time they won a series down in Miami. 00:02:36 Speaker 3: I'm serious. I think I might be right on that. 00:02:38 Speaker 1: Well, and then paired with Tampa's been a house of horrors every time they've been down there. Like, we don't want to rehash last September in Tampa, right, we just don't. 00:02:46 Speaker 3: That was the low I think that was the low point. 00:02:49 Speaker 1: So I'm very very happy to see they came home and had a five and one road trip because objectively they did. They swept the Angels and they won two or three against the Blue Jays, which is what we asked them to do. Well, yeah, it may keep the momentum going because look, you win two series in a row, you have a five and one home trip, you or home series you play who you play on your schedule. That's the positive. The downside is you played the Angels and then you played a Blue Jays team that's been scuffling about as bad as you have. Yeah, so where do you want to balance the positives versus the negatives? 00:03:22 Speaker 2: So okay, speaking of I'm trying to get some answers here on Marlins versus Mariners. So the Marlins won the series in twenty four in Miami. The Marlins won the series in twenty two in Miami. The Marlins swept the series in twenty fourteen in Miami. 00:03:41 Speaker 3: The Marlins. Okay, so the Mariners. I was right. 00:03:44 Speaker 2: The Mariners last one a series in Miami in two thy eleven, when they were still the Florida Marlins and they were still playing in what is now I forget the name of the stage, the sun Bowl, Yeah, was it SUNLFE? Sunmar Stadium, Yeah, Sunlight Stadium. Twenty eleven was the last time the Mariners won a series in Miami. 00:04:05 Speaker 1: And there have been a lot of Marlins teams way worse than this one. 00:04:08 Speaker 3: Hey, for the most part, I mean twenty eleven, the Mariners were probably worse. 00:04:11 Speaker 1: But otherwise, yeah, there were a lot of Marlins teams that are worse than this current one that they've played in Miami over the years. 00:04:18 Speaker 3: Well I was saying, the Mariners are definitely worse than twenty eleven. 00:04:20 Speaker 1: That team sucked, sure, but they won the series against the Blue Jays. 00:04:24 Speaker 2: They did win the series against the Blue Jays. Before we talk about this series against the Blue Jays, want to thank Corona who puts on these events here at the watch party events here at the Hall throughout the twenty twenty sixth season. We'll have two more of these, one in August, one in September. Those dates are still to be announced. We've had a really fun first four. Just wanted to tell you guys about Corona. You could see we have some Corona Extra sitting in front of us, one of the many options that you can drink in the ballpark right across the street here from Oxtental Hall. Corona Extra is the option that takes everyone back to a beach or to the ballpark like t Mobile Park. And if you're in there, you can check out the remodeled Corona Beach Bar, which is out in left field right above Edgar's Cantina and the bullpens. You can check out Corona Premier, which is the lighter than light option. You can drink Corona Sunbrew, which is the easy drinking flavored option, and then Corona Na is the only true non alcoholic Corona options. If you're at a Mariner game, go check out Corona and their family of options. I think my main takeaway from this Blue Jay series is, I mean the Mariner's pitching staff at least there are three best guys over the last six weeks or so since May twenty fourth, which I think we'll talk about a couple of those different guys in this but those three guys all pitched this weekend against the Blue Jays, and I think the Mariners are very happy that's how it lined up. And those three guys I'm talking about is Emerson, Hancock, Luis Castillo, and Logan Gilbert. Hancock hasn't been as good in that stretch, but he threw seven shutout innings today, and for how Emerson has been pitching in the last month, we will take seven shutout innings and then is Era in the first half with probably one star to go sits at three to two three two three, and then your other two guys in Loden Goibert and Luis Castillo been absolute nails for the last six weeks. 00:06:07 Speaker 1: Which probably isn't being talked about enough, including by us. The fact Luise has been this good over the last month and a half or so. Now what that means for the Mariner's long term we may get into here as we go through the episode, because that doesn't necessarily mean Luis Castillo is gonna be throwing these innings for the Mariners forever, and again we can get into that later, but objectively, while he's here and while he's pitching, and while he's making starts, he has been helping you win games. Not everything under the hood looks great. It's not like he's been fantastic against lefties partly, but results of results, and over his last seven starts he has been sharp. 00:06:44 Speaker 2: So if you want his numbers for his last seven starts, the era is two seven to two. The strikeout rate, as Lyle mentioned, it's not great, it's just under twenty percent. The walk rate is slightly below average in a positive way. It sits at about six percent league average, which is about eight percent. He has a sub three to fifth in that time, which combines if you're not familiar. Combines strikeouts, walks, and home runs, the three things pitchers directly control in a given baseball game. So Louis Castillo has been controlling that. Has he been the best pitcher on the Mariners. No, but he has still been very good. This version of Louis Castillo does work. And he's doing this, by the way, with not like a perfect strand rate. 00:07:26 Speaker 3: Let me use this as an example. In that same seven. 00:07:29 Speaker 2: Start stretch, Bryce Miller has stranded one hundred percent of runners that have gone on against him. 00:07:34 Speaker 3: That number is not sustainable. 00:07:36 Speaker 2: Well, no, when you see numbers like that for a full season first starting pitchers, you're like, all right, I mean this guy is going to allow some runs at some point because the numbers just don't match. Louis Castillo, on the other side, has the second lowest number among Mariner's arms in that stretch, and yet his ears sits below three. That's a testament to him not allowing a ton of base runners in that time. 00:07:58 Speaker 1: That also means the only runs Miller's giving up or currently on home runs. Every base runner that gets on he leaves on the base pads. 00:08:05 Speaker 3: It's I would say that's pretty good. 00:08:07 Speaker 1: Pretty good, and probably not something that's gonna stay the same long term. I think that's fair to say. 00:08:11 Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree. 00:08:12 Speaker 2: The other guys that have been dealing in this stretch that we saw this weekend. 00:08:15 Speaker 3: Uh, the other one's Logan Gilbert. I mean, log Gilbert has been incredible. 00:08:18 Speaker 2: I think we will talk about him a little bit more in the second stretch, the second segment. 00:08:23 Speaker 3: But as we hear the goals, let's just pause. Well, I don't think it picks it up here? 00:08:30 Speaker 1: It does? It picked up the music last time. Oh right, there we go. It was only for a few thames. You say, but you were gonna talk about. 00:08:39 Speaker 3: Logan three two one. 00:08:42 Speaker 2: But Logan Gibert was a big part of the Mariners winning this series, and I think that's very important. 00:08:47 Speaker 3: Here's something we can talk about though. 00:08:48 Speaker 2: I mean, we did see what we wanted to from this offense this weekend during what was the biggest gripe when the Mariners went however long they did without scoring more than three runs. 00:08:59 Speaker 1: That they weren't scoring more than three runs. 00:09:01 Speaker 3: Well besides that, specifically. 00:09:03 Speaker 1: What that it was all relyant on home runs, home. 00:09:05 Speaker 2: Runs, Well, they weren't hitting home runs That's that's how the team scores runs. And then here on Sunday we had Mitch Garver hitting a home run against Arriety. By the way, good John, Mitch Garver homer against a RIOTY didn't think that was possible. But then on Saturday as well, you get home runs from Canzone, Randy. 00:09:21 Speaker 3: And Cow. 00:09:21 Speaker 2: I mean, that's how you win. That's how this current version of the team wins games. 00:09:25 Speaker 1: I mean, that's how this roster's built. You're not built to play small ball. You're not built to put teams to death by a thousand paper cuts. That's just not what they do. They're not the Rays. They are built to slug, do damage, and leave the ballpark. When they do do that, you see a lot of wins. It might not all look like eleven nothing on Saturday, but that's usually how they win games. And when they don't slug, it looks more like it did on Friday where they lost two to nothing. Yeah, so I would say my biggest takeaways from the series, I mean, I have it written down. Aside from Emerson, it's Randy takes some ridiculous hacks, which he does. 00:09:58 Speaker 3: By the way, Randy had the wildest weekend. I've ever seen had some wild weekends. 00:10:05 Speaker 1: So hold that thought for two more seconds. All I was gonna say otherwise is canzone continues to mash true and nice to see Cal leave the yard. By the way, Cal Raley sixteenth career home run against the Blue Jays. That's a lot for. 00:10:18 Speaker 2: Non division opponents. Yeah, bad that that's pretty crazy. He's his most home runs against any of homes. 00:10:26 Speaker 1: I'm sure. I'm sure unless there's somebody in division, but I'm guessing it's the Blue Jays. We can talk about Randy because, yes, in the span of three games, this man manages to lose the Seattle Mariners all of their challenges on Friday because he selfishly challenged two calls in the first inning of his own at bat that both went wrong, leaving the Mariners out of challenges the rest of the game with on with no one on base, only to come back around on Saturday and hit a grand slam to put the game out of reach against Shane Beaver. 00:10:55 Speaker 2: Do we think there's any chance the Mariners just as soon as Randy got back to the dugouts, you're not allowed to challenge anything for like a week. 00:11:04 Speaker 1: A week there's a chance, I could say, ever again. I mean, seriously, who in their right mind challenges two calls in a bat in the first inning and after you get the first one wrong, you're like, you know what I'm gonna do, do it again. Like it's bad enough to lose a challenge in the first inning on a pitch that was clearly a strike, but then you do it again. Yeah, I mean he is the most maddening player ever. Really good player, really good player, but so maddening. I mean, you want to talk about more of the Seesaw roller coaster weekend. Randy rose Arena was named the Mariner's loan All Star this weekend. That's another takeaway from this series against the Blue Jays. All stars were announced and the one loan Mariner Randy A. Rose Arena. So he's been a great player this year, but god, between the walking after the ball and Cleveland and the challenging and losing all the challenges and saying the base running, the base running, and then you know, Divish tweeted it this weekend because it's true. Randy says, when the bases are loaded, he essentially has the mindset and the approach to swing out of his ass as if he is all intent on hitting a home run and nothing else when the bases are loaded. It worked on Saturday, Oh it did. But I can't imagine everybody out there, whether that be in the clubhouse or in the fan base, maybe a combination of both, is exactly in love with the Randy A Rose Arena approach one hundred percent of the time, because it's very you know, it's very about Randy. You know, you can't you can't drive in one run if you're Randy out there, No, you're swinging for it all. 00:12:40 Speaker 3: It's the love hate relation. 00:12:41 Speaker 2: It is that exact love love hate relationship where his teammates will love it when he does what he did on Saturday. I mean, who who's gonna complain about a Grand Slam in that moment? And the Maritors really needed it to They played like crap on Friday. You didn't want to lose another series at home on the weekend, and Randy just sent a huge jolt through the team and then they took it from there and Canzona to home run and Cal hit a home run and that all was great. 00:13:09 Speaker 3: So they're gonna love it in that moment. 00:13:11 Speaker 2: But then, yeah, he has the bases loaded and you're down a run and you need a run, and he either pops up or he strikes out, and then people might get a little frustrated. But you know what, Randy also has been the Mariner's. 00:13:22 Speaker 3: Best player this season. 00:13:24 Speaker 2: So if you were to, like hypothetically, if you're gonna go tell Randy, like, hey, man, like, maybe let's go the other way and do something not grandiose, He's gonna be like, but this has been worked great for you guys this season. I've been the best player on this team, And like, what are you gonna tell him? 00:13:39 Speaker 1: Yeah? I don't know, to be honest, Like. 00:13:41 Speaker 2: He has as long as cal who had another speaking of great swings on Saturday, had a great swing on Saturday. 00:13:48 Speaker 3: And Julio's hurt and has. 00:13:50 Speaker 2: N't been quite as hot as he was early on in the season, and Randy's been consistent. 00:13:54 Speaker 3: He hasn't had one of his cold stretches yet. 00:13:57 Speaker 2: I think we're gonna want Randy to keep doing what Randy is doing, manning as it is. 00:14:01 Speaker 3: I really think the Mariners need it, sure, I do. 00:14:03 Speaker 1: I mean he has been there. I mean he's been their highest volume source of offense. But at points. He's been their only source of offense in times of this year where guys have massively struggled because a lot of guys have gone through their cold streaks, Randy has really been the model of consistency. You know, while Julio's you know, not been as hot as he was in May. Like you said, Randy's picked up a lot of the slack. Heck, when Cow's been down, Randy's picked a lot up a lot of the slack, both down with injury and down in terms of not hitting his full stride at the plate. Randy's picked up a lot of slacks. So yeah, I don't know what you really tell the guy. 00:14:39 Speaker 2: I mean, if you look just since June first, Randy a Rose Arena has been the best Mariners hitter by far. 00:14:45 Speaker 3: Yeah, if I I'm gonna like. 00:14:47 Speaker 2: Let me lower this qualification here, because that's only qualified you look at. Like all Mariners hitters. Dom can Zone has been the outlier this season. He just missed out on qualifying. His WRC plus in that stretch is one eighty. Randy is one forty eight. I mean, two of the clear best hitters on this Mariner's roster. Then after that it drops off a little bit. You have Cole Young, and then you have Josh at one twenty two, when Josh Nayler has been at exactly one hundred, and then the rest of this line it just really hasn't been pulling their weight. So again, as long as the as long as it looks like this and Randy is, besides can Zone, one of the best players or clearly the best everyday player in this Mariner's lineup, then yeah, he's gonna have to just keep doing what he's doing. If you did annoy us, we might sit at home and cuss at the TV when he does something wrong. But you know, man, seeing what Randy does on the field when he does it well is still pretty fun. 00:15:38 Speaker 1: It is. You just wish that again. It just feels like the things that drive people nuts are fixable. It's not a high strikeout rate, it's not being naturally slow, it's walking after baseballs, and it's the challenge is like, it's things that are avoidable. That's what drives people crazy. Yeah, like he could be a great player and not do so many of those things right. 00:16:00 Speaker 2: He couldn't, but he's also Randy lives in his own world. Randy very much is himself as much as we've come to understand he is not. You're just not a typical personality. 00:16:13 Speaker 3: In a baseball clubhouse. 00:16:14 Speaker 2: Sure, And you know what, for a lot of these guys, as long as they're good, that's all you can really ask for. 00:16:20 Speaker 1: I gotta make one more note before we move on to some other subjects. So Randy made the All Star Game over the weekend. We talked about it, and they released the video. Maybe I've got my tinfoil hat on. Did you happen to notice of all the teammates that were in the video giving them hugs, who just so happened to not be in the video? 00:16:39 Speaker 3: Kel? I mean? And then didn't they do it? 00:16:42 Speaker 2: They did like an Instagram carousel too, with pictures with him and his teammates. 00:16:46 Speaker 3: Did they do that? 00:16:47 Speaker 1: Maybe I saw the video? 00:16:49 Speaker 3: Okay, I just swore there as an Instagram prousel too. 00:16:52 Speaker 1: Maybe and in said carousel. If you're right, you didn't see them. 00:16:57 Speaker 3: I don't believe, so let me double check. Well, that might take too, I did. I did. I did notice that. 00:17:03 Speaker 1: Again. I think it's gonna take too long to pull up, So don't make people sit here and wait while you're trying to look for it. 00:17:07 Speaker 3: But I noticed the same thing, the same thing as you. 00:17:10 Speaker 1: It just feels like the Mariners have really gone out of their way to never have them on camera together. And I don't even think things are like that bad between them anymore. I would guess things have simmered down and they're at least at a point where you know things are fine between them. Are they the best of friends? I'm guessing not, But I would be very surprised if that's still affecting anything in house here in twenty twenty six. But it's just weird, like even when home runs are hit, right when Cal hits a homer, when Randy hits a homer, I swear that the camera pans away every time there's a chance for those guys to be on camera together. 00:17:47 Speaker 2: Oh okay, so the photo I have Victor Roebliss, I have Brian Wound, Luis Castillo, I have Josh Naylor. 00:17:55 Speaker 3: That's it. 00:17:57 Speaker 1: Yeah, And again the video, there was a lot more than that. 00:18:00 Speaker 3: This isn't even like, this is not sliding Cal. 00:18:03 Speaker 2: Oh my god, Cal, you didn't congratulate your teammate for making the all started selfish of you. 00:18:07 Speaker 3: That is not what we're saying he very well might have. There's just no evidence of it. 00:18:13 Speaker 1: Again, and maybe Cal's given Randy a bunch of hugs after homers this year or vice versa. But the camera always seems the pan away from it. 00:18:21 Speaker 3: I Cal hit his homer yesterday, him and Randy. 00:18:23 Speaker 1: Dapt did they? 00:18:24 Speaker 3: Yeah? 00:18:25 Speaker 1: Okay, then maybe it's maybe it's lightened up as of late early in the year, Man, there was not a lot of it. 00:18:31 Speaker 2: Perhaps the social strategy of the Seattle Mariners is to not like give content that can be misinterpreted. Okay, like a photo of Randy and Cal together. 00:18:45 Speaker 1: I don't know. 00:18:46 Speaker 3: I can make its rounds. 00:18:47 Speaker 1: But if it's a but if it's a nice photo, what's the problem. 00:18:51 Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm just I'm just spitballing. 00:18:53 Speaker 1: Here, Okay. It just seems like they're not on camera together a lot this year. 00:18:58 Speaker 2: I would one hundred percent agree. I also don't think they're on camera that much, but I'm happy for it. He of the If you were to tell us going into this weekend there is one one guy who's gonna get named to the All Star Game off this team, you and I would have both agreed. 00:19:11 Speaker 3: Randy Rosevet for. 00:19:12 Speaker 1: Sure, and he was. Now. I think some guys will have some cases as the week goes on, and maybe we can talk about that a little bit more. Well, Wednesday's podcast is going to be more draft, all right. The too long, don't read version is if they're going to be more Mariner's name to this All Star Game, it will probably be pitchers, and that would be some combo of Logan, Bryce Miller, maybe Emerson Hancock. 00:19:32 Speaker 3: Give me some percentag odds what you're feeling for each of them? 00:19:35 Speaker 1: All right? I honestly think Bryce Miller has the best odds of Also, do you have a one to seven era? I don't care that you started the season late. If they need replacement pitchers, I think he's the first call. I don't know if he's the first call in the American League, but he's the first call amongst Mariners pitchers. 00:19:49 Speaker 2: I agree with that. I would put Bryce into the All Star Game at about twenty percent. 00:19:54 Speaker 1: Oh, that's low. The pitchers always get replaced. I'll put it at fifty percent. 00:19:58 Speaker 3: You think fifty percent chance? 00:20:00 Speaker 1: Again, there's always replacement pitching. 00:20:02 Speaker 3: Now the innings are just low. 00:20:05 Speaker 1: Eh, He's been so good. I think I think he's got a real shot. 00:20:09 Speaker 2: Okay, all right, that's fine. How about Logan Gilbert who has a better case? Logan Gilbert and Bryce Miller? Rice, I agree, So then I put Logan's lower. Yeah, even though Logan has thrown more this season, and Logan's numbers right now look really good, his season ERA is now below three two. He's currently pacing for a career low in era. We'll talk about more about Logan on in our next segment, but he's been really good. I would still put Logan at about if you if we'll settle on fifty percent for Bryce, Logan will be about thirty percent, and I think Wu would be about five percent at this point. 00:20:46 Speaker 1: Oh, I didn't even mention Wu, I said Emerson. So Wu and Emerson maybe both at about five percent. 00:20:51 Speaker 2: Yeah, Emerson has. Emerson's numbers look like right now, especially for a first time All Star feel good story from a team that it's like, it would be really cool for this guy to make the All Star Game. But given that Bryce Miller deserves to make the All Star Game in front of him now, and Emerson has cooled off lately, like his again, objectively, his numbers for the season three two, three r and one hundred innings is really good. His numbers look like the last pitcher on the All Star team. Sure, that's not like the Rockies of last year getting one guy not including those guys. So even still, that kind of puts Emerson Hancock at about five percent. So Bryce at fifty, Logan at thirty wo woo, and Emerson at about five percent. Okay, Brian, who I just don't think has the er numbers to make an All Star Game? 00:21:42 Speaker 1: Right? Yeah, what do you want to do next? You want to do Logan or you want to do a few minutes on the piggyback? 00:21:48 Speaker 3: What's come we could combuy? 00:21:49 Speaker 2: I mean it'll be a pitching conversation in general. Actually, before we talk about that, I just have one thing like to close out this first segment with as we're wrapping up this weekend, I just have one to ask of the Seattle Mariners. Can we break the yo yo trend this weekend throughout this week going into Florida? 00:22:07 Speaker 3: Please? 00:22:08 Speaker 1: Doubts. 00:22:08 Speaker 3: I just want to be like. 00:22:09 Speaker 2: Proven wrong and feel good about this team beating a really good baseball team on the road going into the All Star break. This is what they did last year, we were like, we're out. We're out on this team going into the break. Last year they got swept at the Yankees and then they were going to Detroit and we're like, we're pissed. I don't even really want to watch this Detroit series we were heading to We're heading to Atlanta last year for the All Star Game. It's like, yeah, I mean they're facing Schooble. I'm good, we're on the plane. We could just we could do something else. Don't need to watch this game. And then they lit Scooble up and they swept that series, and then we felt a little bit better at the end of that first half. And then they drafted Kate Anderson, so it was obviously a great weekend. 00:22:47 Speaker 3: Yeah, so can something like that happen? Please? No more of this, yo, yo. 00:22:52 Speaker 2: I have it set in my mind that this team is going to lose both these series to the Marlins, and raised I would love to be wrong. 00:22:59 Speaker 1: They are eight and two in their last ten and the Marlins have been really good. 00:23:04 Speaker 3: Twenty and six in June. Yeah, that's all I can ask for it. 00:23:07 Speaker 2: Okay, before we get to our next segment, I want to tell you guys about Emerald Queen Casinos summer lineup of shows. 00:23:13 Speaker 3: Let us know how this sounds to you. 00:23:15 Speaker 2: War visits Emerald Queen Casino on July seventeenth, Brantley Gilbert on August twenty second, and Pete Davidson on August twenty eighth. You can get your tickets today at Emerald Queen dot com. Emerald Queen Casino is the entertainment capital of the Northwest, and while you're there, you can take your night to the next level at Sla Hall Steakhouse. 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The Mariners say, oh, actually, never mind, everyone needs some extra rest. We're not doing the piggyback anymore. And as we talked about last Monday's podcast, some of the errors in that strategic strategy led to them blowing the game on Sunday due to relievers available. This Saturday arrives with a piggyback scheduled of Logan Gilbert to start and Everson Hancock to come out of the bullpen, and what happened. 00:26:16 Speaker 3: They scratched the piggyback again. 00:26:18 Speaker 2: Now, look, both of the starters through over seven shutout innings against the Blue Jays, So you know what, like this time it works. They threw their starters longer than they normally would to cover some innings through the bullpen, and the manners didn't allow run in either of the two games. I have a different concern with this. I'm becoming a little bit more concerned about the Mariners' plans with. 00:26:40 Speaker 3: Their starting rotation. 00:26:42 Speaker 2: It just doesn't feel like they can commit to anything with this starting rotation right now. 00:26:47 Speaker 1: If there's one overarching storyline from the first half, one overarching storyline, what do you think about with the Mariners in the first half of the season. Now, it's not underperforming expectations to me, No, it's not Randy Rosorana's hot first. No, it's not the emergence of Emerson Hancock or even Colt Emerson's debut. It's none of that. It is a failure to commit to a concrete plan because every week things are changing. By the way you just said it, I'm glad they changed this weekend because Logan Gilbert and Emerson Hancock absolutely both dealt and it led to two Mariners wins. Why didn't you just do that in the first place. The constant herky jerky changing of the guard with your starters all the time. If it's old to us, I'd have to imagine it's getting old to the guys in that clubhouse, because now you're on like the fifth different iteration. It's gone from first version of the piggyback to the sixth man rotation to the second version of the piggyback that you set out to plan to scratching that version of the piggyback after doing it one time, so then scratching it again this past weekend. Why don't you just pick a plan and stick to it. 00:27:54 Speaker 2: It's mixed messaging a little bit with the reasoning for each The reason why they didn't want to do the six man rotation continue with the six man rotation in the first place is they said they were not giving their bullpen enough rest, and they said, this is not a sustainable strategy for a long period of time, which is common when you hear about a six man rotation, which is why most teams don't do it. But then they go back to the piggyback and they say, oh, actually we need more rest for our starters, and it's just kind of going back and forth and back and forth, and it's just not making us feel very confident in the planning of this. And I'm I'd have to imagine it's really frustrating to the guys in that rotation, like you just said, going forward, where they're at least they know their schedule the next week. They're not piggybacking until after the All Star Game potentially, but then after that, I mean, really, who knows I would want. I have to wonder what Logan Gilbert was thinking all week. Was Logan Gilbert thinking all week each of these two weeks, that he was going to piggyback or maybe even better yet, Emerson Hancock, who's supposed to come out of the bullpen in these days, and he ends up not doing that either of those two days. I wonder how that feels to them, just getting changed up like that. And then most importantly, how does Bryce Miller feel that this got scratched again for Logan Gilbert when they all agree to it. 00:29:12 Speaker 1: Oh, I've said it once. I've probably said it a million times. I'll say it again. If I am Bryce Miller, I am furious with how this has all been handled. He has been the best starter. Why is he had to piggyback three separate times and was the only guy along with Castillo that had to piggyback in the new iteration of it, and then nobody else. If I were Bryce Miller, I'd be furious. 00:29:35 Speaker 2: I would I'd be pretty pissed off too. This comes with a thought. You and I have been talking about this without record, putting this on I guess on the podcast yet a bunch over this weekend at the ballpark now that they changed their mind again. The only reason this kind of indecisiveness makes sense is if someone in this rotation is traded on August. 00:29:59 Speaker 3: By August third, twenty twenty six, that's it. That's the only way this makes sense. 00:30:03 Speaker 1: It doesn't feel like much of an if to me at this point. I don't see any other reason this is continued into July and into the All Star break other than somebody is getting traded at the deadline. I don't know why else you do this with Kate Anderson just waiting in the wings and the miners, because if you put one of them in the bullpen this second, if you had done it back in June, if you had done it at the end of April, me that's a lot early. But if you'd done it in mid May and you have five starters pitching and somebody gets hurt, you know you've got Kade waiting right there, who really doesn't need to be throwing many more innings in the minor leagues, and if somebody were to get hurt, you call them up. The only reason I can possibly fathom for why this has continued to go on is they are trying to keep everybody stretched out because they are set on trading one of them at the deadline and keeping the value up as a starter to get some value back for him. 00:30:53 Speaker 3: Now, the question is which one. 00:30:55 Speaker 2: We've been on this podcast many times saying I don't know how you trade Louis CASTI. 00:31:00 Speaker 1: Let me say this, what but all of a sudden, maybe Luis Castillo's gained some juice on the market again, because if you look at Luis in his last seven starts, so since May the twenty fourth, he has a two seven to two ERA. We mentioned it at the start of the show. Luis in his last seven starts has an ERA of two seven to two, a whip of one oh five, and a FIP of two ninety two. Again, when you control the controllables as a pitcher, that's what fit measures walks, strikeouts, home runs, and the numbers spit out the same way ERA is. It's two nine to two. That sounds like somebody that's got some trade value. Might not beast Trek Scuball trade value, but there's some trade value. He's not striking the world out on fire. Like he's not lighting the world on fire with the strikeouts. He's not dominating lefties. He has dominated righty's. Some of the stuff under the hood doesn't look perfect, but results or results in Luis Castillo in the last month and a half has looked like a really, really strong major league starting pitcher. I would assume the Mariners believe there is somebody out there that would look at that and say, we will give you something back for this. That's what it seems like to me. 00:32:08 Speaker 2: I think it has gone from not tradable to that we could get minimal assets back. Because even with that, you are asking a team, if they're trading for him, to essentially take on two and a half years of a very expensive Luis Castillo into his mid. 00:32:24 Speaker 1: Thirties, well, more like a year and a half, right, unless it grows. 00:32:29 Speaker 2: Not the vesting option which someone's trading for him. It's not like they're not putting him in the rotation, right. 00:32:34 Speaker 1: No, but the vesting option is dependent if I have this right on him throwing one hundred and eighty innings next year. So if he throws one hundred eighty innings next year, that's how this becomes a vesting option. If he doesn't, I think the contract ends. 00:32:49 Speaker 2: Yes, but remember I feel like he This is not something where a team can just manipulate his innings on purpose and he doesn't throw one hundred and eighty innings. 00:32:59 Speaker 3: No, he don't happen if it looks like a team is purposely not throwing a Louis Castillo as. 00:33:03 Speaker 1: Much, oh well, him and his campbell file agreevance. 00:33:05 Speaker 3: And so the players association to the team. 00:33:08 Speaker 2: So if Luis Castillo just makes all of his starts and he makes like his thirty three starts next season. He would have to be bad for him not to throw one hundred and eighty innings in that. 00:33:18 Speaker 1: Stretch unless he pitches badly next year and the team says we're gonna put him in the bullpen for performance reasons. 00:33:24 Speaker 2: And that is totally reasonable. But I still think most teams, if this is a trade negotiation with the Mariners, they would say, all right, well, we're taking on two and a half years here. We need to Our trade package back to you needs to reflect that. 00:33:40 Speaker 1: Sure. So with that being said, I don't think the Mariners would get any team to take on the full contract. If you do, you're essentially salary dumping him at the deadline and not getting anything back. I'm under the impression that if they were to try and trade him, maybe a team takes on a portion of the deal. You can call it half the contract, and then maybe you get some thing back for him, and that's what they do. 00:34:03 Speaker 3: I'd agree with that. 00:34:05 Speaker 2: Let's talk about if there's a chance of any of these other Mariners pitchers get dealt what about George Kirby, because it can't. 00:34:13 Speaker 3: I don't think this is just Louise. 00:34:15 Speaker 2: Castile it's not because Louise Castile, unfortunately, is the still despite all of that, to the outside world, he's the least tradable starter in this rotation, and that's ultimately what matters, because the teams are gonna want me to want to acquire a starting pitcher. 00:34:31 Speaker 3: The only guys I'm thinking of are George Kirby. 00:34:35 Speaker 2: I think of Emerson Hancock slightly too, unfortunately, because really, yeah, yeah. 00:34:41 Speaker 1: It was so much club, so much club control, and he's not expensive at all. 00:34:47 Speaker 2: But it's almost like by subtraction, you're not trading Brian Wu. 00:34:52 Speaker 3: Right, you're not trading Bryce Miller. 00:34:54 Speaker 2: Those two are sure you're trading You're almost certainly not trading Logan Gilbert based on pitching. 00:35:00 Speaker 1: Now, well yeah, Wu and Miller. No way, Logan, I mean you can't, like I understand he's got a year and a half left, but yeah, that would be Kendall Graveman times one hundred if in the middle of a season where you're trying to compete you traded Logan Gilbert. So yeah, that's not happening. Those three are going nowhere. 00:35:19 Speaker 2: Well, Emerson Hancock's chances aren't high. I'd say they're not zero I could say they're zero four those three we mentioned, and then Kate Anderson and Ryan Slow okay, which ironically works out to your starting rotation for next year potentially. 00:35:33 Speaker 1: So Emerson Hancock slight chance but not likely and. 00:35:36 Speaker 3: Without him five percent if that. 00:35:39 Speaker 1: And you'd have to get a lot back for a really good big league starting pitch up, yeah, you would without without him though, that comes down to Castillo, who we talked about. And then there's George Kirby, who does feel a bit tradable to me, and it's not just us that's talked about him. Our friends on the Just Baseball Show. We're talking about some under the radar trade deadline candidates and a couple of them brought up. George Kirby feels like somebody that has a chance to get moved. 00:36:04 Speaker 2: What have we always talked about when if the Mariners are going to trade a starter, they should trade him with two years of control left right, because that maximizes the amount of return you're gonna get. We've always referenced to Corbyn Burns deal. The Corbyn Burns deal has worked out okay for the Orioles in terms of the players. The Brewers sorry, because Joey Ortie. I was getting that confused for a second. Joey Ortiz has been the Brewers every day short stopping. He hasn't been unbelievable, but he's been a valuable player. And then deal Hall, I think is still pitching for them. So they've done okay, but it wasn't this world beating package for a cy young caliber pitcher. The Mariners with a picture like George Kirby are hoping for a little bit more than Joey Ortiz and Deal Hall if they're going to trade him out of the rotation. The guy's made every single start since he has been a Seattle Mariner pretty oh no, not no slow start last years time, last this time, last year. Besides that, he's made pretty much every single start. There's not been little hiccups in season with him, and they want to get appropriate value back for him. The question is whether they get that at the deadline this year or in the offseason. 00:37:08 Speaker 1: The only thing about a deadline trade with him, and it's possible, is it is a deadline for a reason. You do not have as much time to negotiate a deal, and is a team going to give you the value back at the deadline that the Mariners feel is fair value in return for two and a half years at George Kirby. If not, it feels like the off season gives you a lot more time with two years of George Kirby to work out a deal. Well, maybe not this offseason, so maybe, I mean, maybe you are pressed at the deadline to try to get something done, especially because of that if you think you're not gonna have time this offseason, so you're gonna have to identify some teams that you could target and say, who would value this guy when we get back something we want and doesn't make sense on both sides. Maybe on further episodes as we get closer to the deadline, we could potentially highlight some teams and try to some packages that would make sense for Kirby, because that is a fascinating project about what's the right value for him and who would give it up. 00:38:09 Speaker 2: Let me throw one out there, because we've talked about him them for Luis Castilla. 00:38:12 Speaker 3: How about the Chicago Cubs possible? 00:38:15 Speaker 1: What about the Orioles? 00:38:17 Speaker 3: Orioles work too. Cubs are in contention though, That's why I think about. 00:38:20 Speaker 1: This, sure, but what do you get back? Because again, Kirby's he's not that expensive. He's got two more years of arbitration. And I don't like, you're not trading for half a year a Saya Suzuki for two and a half years of Kirby? Is it? I mean, is he hasn't been great? But if you're looking for a third basement, I mean, is is it Matt Shaw and somebody else? 00:38:46 Speaker 2: Probably something else right, because he hasn't been very good. No, I don't think Matt Shaw is worth George Kirby at this moment. I don't prospects, and the Cubs have some solid prospects in their farm system. I'm not totally familiar with their farm I was just kind of throwing that idea out there. Those are two potential options, Like I've seen that the Milwaukee Brewers, for example, Lyle would be a really good fit for Terrek Scuball. Would any of these teams? If Terrek Scubale doesn't end up getting traded because the package is too high, think it is more worthwhile to trade for multiple years of George Kirby instead of trading for two months of Trek's Scuball. 00:39:25 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, teams love Club Control, especially the Brewers. 00:39:28 Speaker 2: And if there's a team that the Mariners would trade, I'd say George Kirby too. They get him out of the American League, which would be one thing. The Brewers have a loaded, I mean loaded farm system that the Mariners could tap into. I'm not fan of trading for prospects at this point, but I ultimately do not control the Mariners front of Well. 00:39:48 Speaker 1: That's the other problem is the Mariners are supposed to be contending this year too, so if you're going to trade them, you've got to be trading back for big leaguers. And you look up and down at the Brewers big leaguers, especially among their position players, I don't think there's a good fit. I mean, they're not gonna trade Terrang, They're not gonna trade Cherio, So don't even bother with those guys. Yelich is too expensive and getting up there in age, William Kntreras. You don't need a catcher. I don't know who the right fit here would be. I don't think there is one. This is why I think we're trying to do this on the spot a little bit. I think we need to spend some more time diving into some teams and diving into some players, big league players. That could make sense for George Kirby at the deadline, because I think it's gonna take more homework than trying to think about it on the fly. 00:40:30 Speaker 2: Who would get a better return package? You think Emerson or George? 00:40:34 Speaker 1: I think Kirby because he's more established. Even though he has not made the jump that a lot of people would like to see him make in his career, he is still a higher floor pitcher at this point than Emerson. Maybe Emerson gets there, but Emerson's just you know, he's done this for three months. 00:40:50 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a fair point. 00:40:51 Speaker 2: A lot of fun conversations to come up between now and the deadline. 00:40:56 Speaker 3: Speaking of the deadline, we. 00:40:57 Speaker 2: Can talk about Logan Gilbert in our next segment, because I know we wanted to highlight a few of the things he's doing really well. But while we're on the topic of trade deadlines, you what is your take on this report that Bob Nightingale said he's not expecting an aggressive Mariner's deadline. 00:41:13 Speaker 1: That to me says they're not gonna pursue Trek Scooble, which, by the way, cowards if you're not pursuing Terrek Schouble. I think they're cowards because are you trying to win the World Series or not? Nobody in this rotation is Terrek Scooble. That being said, this is just not a strong trade market. So that could still mean the Mariners go get Taylor Ward and Garrett Whitlock and then as a result, that's their deadline. 00:41:41 Speaker 2: If that's not aggressive, I mean, is any team gonna be aggressive? 00:41:44 Speaker 1: No, because again there's just not needle movers at this deadline on this market not named Terrek Scooble. 00:41:50 Speaker 2: If a non aggressive deadline is Taylor Ward and a bullpen arm, like, that's fine, I don't need them to be aggressive. Len Like this Marriner's roster compared to last year is much more talented. They have more solidified pieces. 00:42:03 Speaker 3: All over the place. 00:42:04 Speaker 2: So yeah, you don't need to be aggressive to go find a true everyday player at this deadline. 00:42:10 Speaker 3: If it just so. 00:42:10 Speaker 2: Happens to be an everyday player that that is your right handed bat, Okay, like that's fine, but yeah you don't need that. 00:42:16 Speaker 3: But that doesn't mean the Mariners can't go out and fill their needs. 00:42:19 Speaker 2: I think that's where, like you can look past this night and go report a little bit and see what does he actually mean by that. And by the way, in this same report, Nightingale claimed that Randy rose Arena struggled in this first half. 00:42:31 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, we probably do need to give the context that this is Bob Nightingale giving this report. Yea, so you know Adam Dude already said that and reported that the Mariners are going to be shopping for like higher end relievers at the deadline, so that's part of it. I'm sure the Mariners know they need a right handed bat, so that's part of it too. If they get Taylor Warre and Garrett Whitlock, for example, at the deadline, that's a good deadline. But it does sound like they're not going to take any home run swings. 00:42:58 Speaker 2: I wouldn't get too worried about any sort of deadline rumors or transactions until the deadline is over. 00:43:05 Speaker 3: Then we can react. 00:43:07 Speaker 1: I mean. 00:43:09 Speaker 2: Last year, a week out from the deadline, we were still paranoid the Mariners weren't gonna do anything, that the market just wasn't gonna shake their way, and that the prices were too high. And then we were proven wrong and the Mariners did everything we wanted them to do, right, So I wouldn't really like, I wouldn't freak out about any sort of deadline rumor. 00:43:27 Speaker 3: Yet I would would. I would ask people to be calm about that. 00:43:31 Speaker 1: All right, well that's fair. We'll see how that all shakes out. I thought I had another thought along with this, but yeah, the truth is it's just not again, there's not stars on the market. Oh. The other thought was we've said it a bunch of times already. The Mariners are not bringing anybody into this organization at the deadline that's gonna fix this team. They're just not. 00:43:49 Speaker 3: They can impressing thought, isn't it. 00:43:51 Speaker 1: They can help and augment, but not fix. The honest truth is, if cal Raley does not get it going, they're not making the playoffs, or if they do, they're not going very far. 00:44:00 Speaker 2: Some discourse online today for Mariners fans that we're saying that when the report's written out about yeah, the Mariners are just gonna have to turn this around. They have so many full time players on their roster who are supposed to be good that are not, And some people were like, well that's not acceptable. That's just not a good way to approach the deadline, and well, last year, yes, that was an unacceptable strategy. This year, I just don't see it if you're gonna draw out a plan like we can talk about how hard it is to find guys playing time with how the roster is currently set up. It's just not as easy as it was last year. Where sorry Ben Williamson, you're going down to Triple A. We have a forty nine home run third baseman. Sorry, Donovan Solano, we just traded for Josh Naylor. We don't need you anymore. It's not the same, Like, what are you gonna do? You're gonna kick Cole Emerson off a shortstop? 00:44:47 Speaker 3: Talking about kick Randy Roseraina out of left field for Taylor Ward. 00:44:50 Speaker 1: No, but I think we've talked about maybe Luke Rayley's a part of these trades because cam Zone and Raley together is a little bit of an odd fit. Cam Zone's clearly been the better one. He's younger, maybe rarely goes back somewhere, and that helps you get some value. 00:45:03 Speaker 3: It's a tough truth. 00:45:04 Speaker 2: The Mariners are going to have to turn around themselves with some help on the outside, but it's going to need to be a majority of the guys on the roster doing that. Turning around, we have some positive to finish up this episode, but before that, let's pause here for an ad. Starting a business is a big deal and it can be very intimidating. There's a ton of questions with not always a ton of answers. 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He has been awesome. 00:47:59 Speaker 2: That's twenty twenty four Logan Gilbert back, and a lot of what made Logan twenty twenty four Logan Gilbert great has been showing in these last five weeks. 00:48:09 Speaker 3: I do have to wonder if he. 00:48:10 Speaker 2: Was still recovering a little bit from the injury last year at the beginning of the season while he's ramping up and getting. 00:48:16 Speaker 3: Into this groove. 00:48:17 Speaker 2: Because like, listen to this, Logan Gilbert's month by month velocity progression of his fastball is gone like this. So Logan Gilbert in twenty twenty four through about ninety six and a half miles an hour on his fastball. He started this season throwing ninety five and a half. In April and May it was also ninety five and a half. Then in June it jumped up to over ninety six miles an hour, and so far in July it is averaging ninety seven miles an hour. That's a progression that is very important for Logan Gilbert and has stuck out a lot. I mean, he's thrown pitches one hundred miles an hour. 00:48:53 Speaker 3: In this stretch. 00:48:54 Speaker 1: Oh, in June of last year. If you just want to compare when he came back from the injury till about now, Logan Gilbert was barely throwing over ninety five miles an hour on average with his fastball a year ago. Now he's averaging ninety seven two miles an hour a difference on your fastball VLO, on your average fastball VLO, I should say that's a lot man that looks like somebody that's locked in on all cylinders and it's fully healthy. 00:49:17 Speaker 2: And on top of that, his slider is being dialed back into Last year, he saw a big, big dip in his run value production with his slider after it being a four plus fourteen run value in twenty twenty four his best pitch the year after in twenty twenty five, he had a negative one run value on that pitch. It just wasn't producing the same results as it was the year prior, and now this year the numbers have improved substantially. He's not getting slugged as much against that pitch this year. Really, Logan Gilbert's only problem this year that he managed to quell a lot in twenty twenty four as he's getting hit pretty hard, but he's always gotten hit pretty hard. Twenty twenty four he was able to not get hit very hard. But otherwise we're seeing a lot of positive trends from Logan Gilbert that I think we last saw in twenty twenty four. And oh, by the way, the length in his starts are coming back to big time. 00:50:13 Speaker 1: I mean, he just threw seven and a third shutout on Saturday with one hit. Yeah, he has been awesome. This is the Logan Gilbert I would extend. And if we continue to see this out of him, not that he has to go seven shut out every time out, but if he continues to look like this with the stuff up and the durability up and the duration of his starts up, yeah, I think that Logan Gilbert extension talk opens right back up. And look, the Mariners have to meet it on their end. But in terms of where like we all sit with extending Logan Gilbert, because I know there was a lot of discourse early in the year saying, uh, like, do you pay this guy one hundred and fifty plus million dollars the guy we're seeing this summer? Yeah, oh yeah. 00:50:53 Speaker 2: I'd love to get to ask our friend Lance Brasdowski about this, because he put a video out about this, I believe last week, about Logan Gilbert's fastball. Not only is he throwing it harder, but Logan Gilbert's spinning his fastball more. 00:51:06 Speaker 3: I think we'll get up Lance on maybe later in the summer. 00:51:08 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, post all Star break, let's put a pin in this to try to get Lance on. 00:51:12 Speaker 2: So this will allow the pitch to normalize a little bit too, to see if it actually has something actually has changed with the pitch or it was just a few start blip. But he's spinning it about one hundred RPMs more, which can be. 00:51:25 Speaker 3: For a fastball a bit. 00:51:27 Speaker 2: The peak fastball nowadays spins it about twenty three twenty four hundred RPMs, and Logan Gilbert for much of his career has been around twenty one hundred RPMs, but all of a sudden, it's like twenty two fifty the last five weeks, which makes things a lot better. That means your fastball doesn't dip by gravity as much and makes guys swing under it a little bit, and it brings Logan Gilbert some fastball value back that he hasn't always had. I mean, Logan Gilbert by run value is having his best run value season with his fastball since twenty twenty one. 00:52:00 Speaker 1: And that was that rookie year whereas fastball was dominant, but he didn't really establish another pitch after that is when it changed. 00:52:07 Speaker 3: So let's talk to Lance about that. It's been that, it's been a slider. Those are the two most important pitches. 00:52:13 Speaker 2: And then as always, I mean when Logan Gilbert gets styled in, he doesn't really walk as many batters, and he's been really good with that too. Over this stretch he's walked just five percent of the batters and truck out thirty percent. 00:52:25 Speaker 3: It's good to play. 00:52:26 Speaker 1: That'll play listen. I will not back down from my stance that the Mariner should go get Trek Schouogle. I won't. That being said, if you have Logan throwing like this, and you have Bryce throwing like this, and you can get Brian wu going on the road again in the second half, I mean that's a pretty formidable rotation. Come playoff time. 00:52:43 Speaker 2: It is easier to win when you have more than just one single ace. Hello Tigers from last year on your teer, for sure. So we'll take it. So that was Logan Gilbert. Anything else overwhelmingly positive from this weekend. 00:52:57 Speaker 1: I think, other than the Randy Grand Slam, and we talked about it. No, it wasn't like an unbelievable series for the Mariners. I mean, they they got by in two of three against an average to below average team. I mean Sunday, they one handedly. I shouldn't like, I shouldn't shortchange them. But you play two pretty weak teams at home, which again positive is you win five and one. You play who you play on your schedule, and you won five of the six games. 00:53:20 Speaker 3: You haven't always beat the weak teams this year, so that's important. 00:53:23 Speaker 1: That is important. You gotta play who's on your schedule and you have to stack wins. Let's see what they do this week. That will be telling. 00:53:30 Speaker 3: I think that'll be very telling too. 00:53:32 Speaker 2: I'll just note to everybody because i'd imagine we're all going to relate to this. This is a bit of a non Mariner's note. So when this podcast comes out, the USA is playing the Round of sixteen game down here in Seattle, which we're really excited for. Like, we'll be down here if you guys want to come say hi to us. We will be in the crowd around here somewhere. Yeah, so out and around. So we're sitting in Oxtental Hall right now. Maybe we'll pop into Oxtental Hall for a second. Not exactly sure what we're where we'll end up. But I know many of our listeners. I know you're all baseball fans, but I imagine there's gonna be a good chunk of people to try and get down around the stadium tomorrow. 00:54:06 Speaker 3: So if you want to come say hi to us, we will be down there. 00:54:09 Speaker 1: We will be roaming around Occidental Avenue. We'll probably be interviewing some fans. So if you see us, come say hey, come stop and talk always. And if you're on the fence about getting down there tomorrow, go man, like, get out there and go. TJ and I are gonna be there. We're going with some of our friends. We're gonna go watch the game. We're gonna be hanging out before the game because I will put my stamp on this. We love baseball, we love the Mariners. But tomorrow has the chance to be, if not the greatest, one of the greatest scenes and days in Seattle sports history. The World Cup may never come back here again in our lifetime. It might not. And the game for the biggest game in US men's soccer history is happening in Seattle on Monday, tomorrow or today. When you're listening to this, I mean, you just can't script this. And if you got a chance to get down here, go because I'm gonna look back on tomorrow for Earth. I keep saying tomorrow while we're recording it. Tomorrow, I'm gonna look back on Monday, this US game and the scene around Seattle for a long time. I think it's gonna be sick. 00:55:14 Speaker 3: I've really been enjoying, like Monday night football in Seattle. Buckle up. 00:55:18 Speaker 2: If you watch the NFL, you know you're a Seahawks fan, you know shit goes. 00:55:22 Speaker 1: Down, and shit's already going down because by the way, flow Balligan's been freed. Let's go, dude. 00:55:31 Speaker 2: So if you need any more above the how above board was it? Probably not at all. There's no way, But you know what. 00:55:39 Speaker 3: If it's in benefit of Team USA, then we'll count it great. 00:55:43 Speaker 1: Listen, if you want the chaos on Monday night football, it started because essentially the best players swung down from the ropes, like swung down from the rooftop, and it's coming down to play in Seattle on Monday. 00:55:56 Speaker 3: I wonder how the Mariners like. 00:55:58 Speaker 2: I imagine at least there's a few guys on that Mariners team who've really enjoyed this World Cup soccer and would like they see, oh my god, there's an off day in the schedule and Team USA could potentially be playing here and there's like, oh wait, we're gonna be in Florida. 00:56:12 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:56:13 Speaker 3: Oops, Yeah, that's kind of our away far. 00:56:16 Speaker 1: It's probably really hot there right now. 00:56:18 Speaker 3: Oh, it definitely is. Because Julio was at the last game. Who else Cal was at the last game? 00:56:23 Speaker 1: I don't think Cal. I think it was Julio Wu and Randy. 00:56:25 Speaker 2: Okay, So clearly they enjoyed what they're and coming to the game and having fun, and maybe they'd be a little bit bummed that they're not gonna get to stay here and experience it. It's funny as we're taping this or watching the national anthem right now for Mexico versus England and Mexico City, I'm just thinking, like, which which game is bigger? This one or that one for each respective country. I mean it's close. 00:56:47 Speaker 3: Did you see the get in price for this game? 00:56:50 Speaker 2: Oh, it's like it's like eighty seven thousand seats in that stadium and the get in price is almost five thousand dollars. 00:56:56 Speaker 1: Crazy. 00:56:57 Speaker 2: Do the math on that one, man, It's crazy. It's fun sports time. We love baseball. We talk about baseball all the time, but it is such a cool sports scene during the summer here in Seattle. We just want to shout out the city of Seattle that is always just an A plus sports town and I think we all just show out all the time. 00:57:13 Speaker 1: Show out on Monday. Yeah, you will regret not being down by the stadium on Monday because you will look back on it for a long time. 00:57:20 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:57:21 Speaker 1: All right, I think that just about wraps up this edition of the Marine Layer Podcast. You guys know the drill. If you want to listen to the full form podcast, you can do so wherever you get your audio pods. Make sure to download these episodes. If you're listening, go rate and review. Please leave it five stars and go hit subscribe if you're on YouTube. Again, if you're watching on YouTube, hit that subscribe button. It's right in front of you. You can find us on our website marine layerpod dot Com. Episodes are all there, podcast merch is there, Patreon's there again. That's Marine layerpod dot com. And then check us out on social media. We're everywhere. 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