Episode 417: What Do We Think Of The Mariners New Piggyback Plan?

00:00:00 Speaker 1: What's up, guys. 00:00:01 Speaker 2: Just a reminder that this Sunday, we're having another Mariner's watch party presented by Corona, and it's with our friends over at Queen Am Beer Hall. That'll be this Sunday, June twenty first, starting at one pm. We're going to be watching the Mariners with you guys. We're going to have a bunch of prizes to give away from Corona. There should be a bunch of World Cup soccer on as well, so that should be a really fun environment. 00:00:21 Speaker 1: And make sure to stick around. 00:00:22 Speaker 2: Afterward because we're going to be doing a live podcast taping from Queen Ann Beer Hall right after. 00:00:28 Speaker 1: The conclusion of the Mariners game. 00:00:29 Speaker 2: So market on your calendar this Sunday, June twenty first, Queen Am Beer Hall. 00:00:34 Speaker 1: Can't wait to see you guys there. 00:00:35 Speaker 3: Welcome to episode number four seventeen of the Marine Layer podcasts. The Mariners have brought their piggyback back, but with a new twist. We'll talk about it. 00:00:44 Speaker 2: A reminder of you guys before we start the episode, just do us a big favor. Make sure to download these podcasts on the audio side and go rate and review on Apple and Spotify wherever you're listening, make sure to leave it five stars. 00:00:55 Speaker 1: It really does help. 00:00:56 Speaker 2: If you're on YouTube, don't forget to hit subscribe, leave a like, drop a comment, but really, hitting subscribe on YouTube helps the channel a ton. You can find us on our website marinelyierpod dot com. You can find our episodes there, our Patreon is there, podcast merches all there. That's at marine layerpod dot com, and bind us on social media. We're everywhere and we're posting content every single day at Marine Layer Pod. 00:01:19 Speaker 3: Let's get it rolling and we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Layer Podcast, part of the Just Baseball podcast network, Recording here on Tuesday evening, June sixteenth. Wow, can you give me one word to describe the Maritors line up here on Tuesday night? 00:01:49 Speaker 1: It worked? That was two words. 00:01:54 Speaker 3: I think the way I saw people describe it was I saw someone quote this on Twitter. I thought was hilarious. If like the the Cape Cape verdet goalkeepers forty years old and can standing goal and pitch a shutout against I don't even remember who they were facing. Was that Spain? Maybe maybe was Spain? He pitch a shut out. This Mariners lineup can win a baseball game, and by golly lyle, they did win a baseball game. 00:02:20 Speaker 2: How nice is it to have a healthy Cal Rilly back? 00:02:24 Speaker 3: Thank goodness, it was marvelous given that he had the go ahead hit. He also was able to give Logan Gilbert shit, and Cal said he would have preferred that Brian wu start the game because it would have been simpler. 00:02:39 Speaker 2: In other words, mariners are back. You have most of them, well, they're still very injured. But you have Cal coming up with game winning hits. You have him given shit to Logan Gilbert. You have Logan Gilbert tossing it back at him, and honestly, you want to throw more positives into there. Logan Gilbert looked awesome here on Tuesday Night, followed by Bizarro, and Muno's also looking about as sharp as we've seen him. 00:03:05 Speaker 3: It's good to hear that. Andres Munos's back issue was very short lived. When I sit on last the last podcast that I was a little bit nervous about it. Maybe I still am because that might just be something. Andrex Munhos deals with his entire career. Back stuff just doesn't really go away. It's hard to magically have your back get healthy if You've been dealing with issues your entire playing career, but tonight you looked pretty good. He was throwing hard. Is thrown one hundred and one miles an hour, Andres Munhos doesn't always throw one hundred and one miles an hour anymore. So that's really nice to see. The important thing about cal being back here tonight. I don't know if we've talked about this enough. Maybe we did a little bit when he went on the injured list, but now we can talk about it again, since this is like the first time cal Rally's actually gotten time off in season, perhaps since he's been a Mariner. I don't remember his injury history very clearly in the minor leagues. I don't remember him having any sort of significant injuries when he was a prospect in the minor leagues. So this is very well could have been the first time as a pro that cal Raley actually got to sit down and relax in season, in a season which he was scuffling and he had skyhegh expectations after hitting sixty home runs, and he gets to sit at home, as he said, he did spend plenty of time doing that, just watch baseball and just relax, not do anything, and reset, and time will only tell if that works quote unquote, it's hard to tell. But that's something I was thinking about today. I heard someone mention that to us, and I also, you know, maybe you put it in perspective of Cal getting a break for the first time as a professional. It make a little bit of sense. 00:04:49 Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder if you watch those games with a lot of intensity or if he was able to actually just relax and sit back and watch. 00:04:56 Speaker 3: Someone asked him that. He said he was mixed. So is he like us, where like I'll watch a Mariner game, but I also just be on my phone, or is he like as the catcher in this is his job and he's a huge part of the leadership with this team. He's sitting there and watching and like paying very very close attention to this Because I don't know if that's relaxing. If he's trying to like be Cal at home and he's like screaming at the TV to do something and nothing's happening, like that doesn't sound very relaxing. I almost maybe want Cal to sit and doom scroll a little bit. 00:05:32 Speaker 2: If cal Ralely is sitting there screaming and intently pacing around watching every pitch. Let me just say, Cal, as they say at MTV, welcome to my crib, Welcome to our life. 00:05:44 Speaker 3: Cal. Yeah, just a little bit. But it's good to have him back. People were happy to have him back. 00:05:49 Speaker 2: Very I would have liked to see Cal's reaction on that Sunday game in Detroit. 00:05:56 Speaker 1: Not great. Oh, I'm sure. 00:05:58 Speaker 3: Maybe he did something else, Maybe went go well, actually, no, you can't golf in your rehabbing. That's bad. Look, maybe he did literally anything else. Maybe he went for a walk in the ninth inning. He's like, oh, Mooney's got. 00:06:08 Speaker 1: This, and then oh oh they pitched a McGonagall. Oh okay. 00:06:14 Speaker 3: It might have been better actually if he did go for a walk, because you'd be mad, but not as mad as if you were actually watching the games. The problem is Lalla and I actually watched the game, and then we had to tape a podcast that is about as peak mat as you can get. But the eighth inning's over and the Manners are ahead, You're like, all right, I mean it's nice out, I don't want to waste daylight. I'm gonna go for a walk instead. And then you see that they lose and you're like, huh they lost. Yeah, wow, it is that's disappointing, But I'm not watching the game, so it's not as infuriating. 00:06:43 Speaker 1: It is probably more relaxing. 00:06:44 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is very nice to have him back, that's for sure, and hopefully he is fully healthy now and hopefully he really really starts to jump start this offense big time. 00:06:56 Speaker 3: Before we talk about some of the serious stuff, I just need to shout out Curtis Washington for spending a day in the big leagues today. It has to be one of the most unexpected call ups that we have seen for the Mariners, since the Mariners are dealing with so many injury issues today, which is why Miles master Bony was playing first base today for the Seattle Mariners. They were in a bit of a pickle. Josh Naylor had wrist and shin issues, Luke Rayley had back tightness leading up the first pitch, and Randy Rose Arena, who will talk about next, had an MRI performs I think a little bit after Justin Hollander talked that revealed more inflammation than was previously expected, so he had to go on the injured list, and the Maritors all of a sudden find themselves in a situation where they don't have any backup outfielders. They don't have any backup position players on their bench besides Mitch Garver, and they had to call somebody out. I wonder lyle if, like, if someone else is healthy on that bench, do they just well, Curtis Washington's never a Marrior, like, he doesn't get called up in this moment. But because Naylor was only gonna play because of an emergency, and same with Rayley and Randy going down the il, the Maritors make the call to literally whoever can play outfield in their organization that resides within the state of Washington. Here comes Curtis Washington. 00:08:22 Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, I mean again, the Rainiers are on the road. So as you listen to this, as this comes out on Wednesday, you're probably gonna see Connor Joe on the roster because it sounds like he was scratched out of the Rainiers lineup on Tuesday. I think he's expected to join the team starting on Wednesday. But again, the Rainiers are out of town right now. They didn't know until late in the afternoon that Randy Rosereina was gonna need to go on the il and once they did, they realize, well, our bench looks a little bit like the scene in Space Jam right now where you go to the bench and everybody's like, you know, got bones broken and limbs everywhere. They're like sitting around, and Michael Jordan's like, we need a fifth player, and that's when they call in newman from Jerry Seinfeld to play. 00:09:07 Speaker 1: You haven't seen Space Jam, have you? 00:09:09 Speaker 3: No? 00:09:09 Speaker 1: Oh that's sad. 00:09:11 Speaker 2: See I would give you shit about not seeing Space Jam, but I also had to hear for two years about all the movies I haven't seen on Brock and Talk. So I'm not going to give you a hard time because I'm a bigger man than them. I'm not going to do that to somebody. 00:09:22 Speaker 3: But just I don't have time to watch movies nowadays. 00:09:26 Speaker 2: Well I don't either. But you know how many times I watched Space Jam as a kid. It had to have been in the triple digits. 00:09:31 Speaker 3: Well I watched like Sandlot instead or Star Wars. 00:09:36 Speaker 2: Well I watched those two, But I spent a lot of time watching Space Jam man a lot. And I you know what I thought to myself as I watched Space Jam. Lebron would have cooked them on Stars took Jordan till the final seconds just. 00:09:50 Speaker 3: Which is why they had to make Space Jam two. 00:09:52 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm kidding, we don't. 00:09:54 Speaker 2: Who would have thought that here on a Wednesday, in the middle of June, the marine layer pod was going to turn. 00:09:58 Speaker 1: Into a Jordan Lebron goat argument. Now, I'm kidding, it's not. However, Space Dam's a great movie. 00:10:04 Speaker 2: And in that movie there is a scene where the Monstars have essentially like put everybody in the hospital and they don't have anybody to play and they need to call on Well, his name is Stan in the movie, but the character or the actor is the same dude who plays Newman in Jerry Seinfeld, and they needed to come off the bench. I mean, he is terrible, but that's what the Mariner's bench look like here on Tuesday. So because of that, back to Curtis Washington, they needed somebody, and because Connor Joe wasn't going to be in town until either late here Tuesday night or Wednesday morning. Yeah, they needed somebody in Everett. Everyone happened to be at home and Curtis Washington man got to spend a day in the big leagues. It's probably gonna be his only day. I think he'll be off the roster tomorrow. But that's like five grand he gets for one day to just. 00:10:55 Speaker 3: Hang out major league minimum. Yeahs about five grand for a day. And like, if you're unfamiliar with the story of Curtis Washington, he's not really a prospect at this point. Super nice guy. We've gotten to chat with him a couple of times we've been up in Everett. I mean, he's a nineteenth round pick in twenty twenty two. He signed for just fifty grand out of Purdue, and it's been a tough go for him as a Mariner, as a pro. I mean, this year he's only got a seventy one WRC plus set age twenty six in Everett. This is now third season in Everett. I'm not sure how much longer he's gonna play at this rate. But to hear all of that what I just described to you, and you still get to say you are one of the as of right now, twenty two thousand people that have ever walked this earth to play in Major League Baseball. Like you get a Baseball Reference page with your picture on it, You get like you were in the list of major League baseball players alongside I don't know. I mean, he'll be in the same category liel as Ted Williams w's that's pretty cool like to think of, to think that you get to tell people you played a game in the major leagues. Uh. From that situation that I just read off, I think it's pretty cool. 00:12:12 Speaker 2: I was really hoping he was gonna get to come off the bench and pitch, run and just do something, get in the game. 00:12:19 Speaker 3: He's supposed to be a solid athlete. 00:12:21 Speaker 2: He's a very good athlete. It would have been cool to get to see him play an inning of defense and pinch run. Even though it didn't happen. That would have been rich. Waltz made a really good point about this on the broadcast. That would have been his Moonlight Graham moment. If you'd gotten to get in the game pinch run but never gotten a bat. 00:12:38 Speaker 1: Do you do you know that reference? 00:12:42 Speaker 3: No? 00:12:43 Speaker 2: Another over on a sports movie. You haven't seen the Dreams? Oh wait, you still haven't seen it to this day. 00:12:52 Speaker 3: No, dude, No. 00:12:54 Speaker 2: I think I told you it enough time. I think we told this story on the podcast. So TJ and I wants how to had to get out from Seattle to the Cape Cod League. Because we were broadcasting interns out there for a couple summers. 00:13:06 Speaker 1: It was a blast. 00:13:07 Speaker 2: TJ needed to get his car out there, so we drove cross country and made all these stops on all these different places over the course of five or six days. 00:13:16 Speaker 1: I originally didn't want to do the drive. I hate, hate long car rides. 00:13:20 Speaker 2: But then I started to realize how many cool things you could see within a week, and I was like, all right, I don't want to make TJ drive on his own. I also could see a bunch of things. I'll suck it up and do it. One of the things. One of the things we decided to see was go see the Field of Dream site. Mind you, this was before the Big League Stadium was ever built. It was just the movie site. As I find out an hour before we're at Dyersville, Iowa. The teacher's never seen the movie. And I said, we've planned for a month to do this, and you agreed to it. You didn't have any interest to watch the movie. Nope, And still seven years later, you have not even watched it. 00:13:58 Speaker 3: I have not, no, and I feel bad because I did promise some of our listeners I would watch the movie. So this is not a great look for me right now, but hey, look the Mariners are out of town next week, so it's very possible I could watch the movie. Watch the movie next week to. 00:14:13 Speaker 1: Fill you in. 00:14:15 Speaker 2: Moonlight Graham with a character and field of dreams who got called up to the big leagues for one day. He got into the game, but he never gotten at bat. I believe he was left on deck was the story in the movie. And if that had been Curtis Washington to night where he got the pin run but not hit, like like Rich Walt said, that would have been his Moonlight Graham moment. 00:14:37 Speaker 3: This is where I wish the Mariners were in, like a total blowout where you would not feel bad at all at giving Curtis Washington and at bat it's eight one Mariners and they're winning in the bottom of the eighth inning. You're like, let's send this student like Victor Robliss, thank you, Like we're giving this guy a at bat, why not give him an at bat? 00:14:56 Speaker 1: Right? 00:14:57 Speaker 3: Just let him have that moment. Bummer for him that he didn't get that moment, but it's still a pretty cool story. It didn't end up mattering I think Law and I were joking a little bit. It's like, what if he has to pinch hit yea in a serious spot? 00:15:12 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that would have been different. That would have been pretty crazy. 00:15:15 Speaker 3: But the Mariners did also have two our three right handed hitting outfielders in their outfield, so there wouldn't have been an exact need for it. But we're happy for him. Glad he got called up. That paycheck's gonna look great, and Curtis is gonna get to hold on to maybe he'll get to hold onto that jersey. That'll be pretty cool. 00:15:32 Speaker 1: Be amazing. Let it be known before we switch subjects. 00:15:36 Speaker 2: I do not get on people for not seeing movies, because again, I've been on the wrong end of that totem pole two years on Brocken Salk, I was on the wrong. 00:15:42 Speaker 1: End of that totem pole. Like I just said, so home. 00:15:44 Speaker 2: The only reason I'm giving TJ such a hard time about this is because we literally planned to go to this famous movie site and he never seen the movie up to then, and he never took one night of two hours back in twenty nineteen to watch it beforehand to understand it. 00:16:03 Speaker 3: Nope, No, I did not, am I only takeaway from the Field of Dreams since there was no corn by the way, the corn it was a bad what was it, a wet spring, so another corn grew in the outfield or me they chopped it down. My only takeaway from the Field of Dreams is how buggy it was. There's so many bugs. I mean Lyle's doing a lap, He's soaking it all in and I'm sitting there on the bleachers, I think, on the first base side, and I'm like, wow, there are a lot of bugs biting me. 00:16:30 Speaker 2: Super weird, random niche memory. It was during the MLB draft in twenty nineteen. We were at the Field of Dreams when they drafted Austin Shenton in the fifth round. 00:16:40 Speaker 1: Super random, Wow, a niche. 00:16:42 Speaker 3: And we were on the road when they drafted George We're somewhere in South Dakota, I think. When they drafted George Kirby. 00:16:48 Speaker 1: We were and we this is super niche too. 00:16:53 Speaker 2: We wanted no part of Logan Davidson in that draft, who did not end up working out as a big leaguer, Like he's been bad. We saw him in the Cape League. We're like, yeah, we're out on this guy. Scouts told us. 00:17:03 Speaker 1: They were out on him. 00:17:04 Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I don't want any part of Logan Davidson and we were in bad service. I think we had a friend trick us that they drafted him and then we got back into service and. 00:17:12 Speaker 1: Was like, oh, they took George Kirby, okay, and. 00:17:15 Speaker 3: I think that's worked out for the Mariners. 00:17:16 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. 00:17:18 Speaker 3: All right, before we talk about some more serious injury subjects, I want to tell you guys that Jim Jeffries, as you're listening to this, is coming to the Emerald Queen Events Center Thursday, June eighteenth at eight pm. Whether you're in town for the World Cup like he is, which, by the way, this Friday is going to be absolutely insane down by the Stadium USA Australia at noon and then Mariners and Red Sox at seven o'clock. It's gonna be absolutely crazy. Or if you just need some laughs, Emerald Queen Casino is the place to be before the show. Check out Jim's specials on Netflix or the Jim Jeffrey Show on Comedy Central. Get your tickets today at Emerald Queen dot com. And while you're there, you can check out the bet MGM sportsbook at Emerald Queen Case. There is no better place to watch the game, with seventy dream seat loungers for premium viewing, dozens of eighty six inch TVs, legal wagering on college and pro sports, and you can download the beat EQC app for live wagering anywhere on the property. Catch every sport in every play at Emerald Queen Casino. For more details, visit Emerald Queen dot com. Please game responsibly. The injuries that the Mariners have found themselves with even after the game on Tuesday are kind of crazy. On a day where they got JP Crawford and Cal Rawley back from injury, the injuries situation didn't exactly improve in this stretch, now, did it. 00:18:43 Speaker 1: No? Where do you want to start. 00:18:46 Speaker 3: Let's start with the most serious one to the day to day of the Seattle Mariners, and let's start with Randy Rose Arena. Randi Rose Arena situation is a little more complicated than one would think, and I'm gonna p this up into a couple of different things. The first one is that the Maritors like they I think they knew his hamstring was sore, but they wanted to be sure there was no further damage on Randy's hamstring for him to for him going forward. The original plan was as we got to the ballpark was Randy was going to take another day off on Tuesday, and he was going to play on Wednesday, and then he'd be back in the lineup and be fine. Justin Hollander mentioned they were going to have an MRI for him. After he spoke. At about two forty five this afternoon, they got that MRI back and they said the inflammation was more than they thought. It still kind of sounded like if Luke Rayley didn't get hurt, that Randy Roseorina would have stayed off the aile and maybe they would have given him another extra day or so to get healthy before they put him back in the lineup. Like, as long as Luke Rayley's healthy, they have an extra body to put on the field. Because they didn't have an extra body, that's that's why Curtis Washington came up and Randy went on the injured list. My take though, is that this is a good thing for Randy Rose Arena. If you have been absent from our social channels in the last day or so, we posted a breakdown of Randy's injury with our friends at Lake Washington and Physical Therapy with a great write up. We want you guys to go check it out. Go check out that post on our socials at Marine Layer Pot and then go read the full breakdown which is listed down below underneath the post. But as you can tell with that, hamstrings are very much like obliques. They are very very tricky muscles. It is not something you can just rush back from. I was thinking about this as Randy potentially was going back into the lineup tonight or tomorrow, and I think this will actually help Randy out in the long term if he takes the stint on the aisle and make sure his hamstring is fully healthy. 00:20:51 Speaker 2: Yeah, and again I'm this ile stint would be retroactive to June thirteenth, because he hasn't played since the twelfth. Thirteenth would be the first to ten days. That means he'll essentially miss this week. He won't be on the home stand against the Orioles or for the three games this weekend against the Red Sox. But the Mariners have an off day on Monday, and they also just had an off day two days ago. When you're listening to this on Monday the fourteenth, So between those two off days and then the week at home, that'll all add up to ten days for Randy, and he will be set to be activated or at least eligible to be activated Tuesday in Pittsburgh. 00:21:32 Speaker 1: So it's really only a week at this point. 00:21:36 Speaker 3: That's if he's serving the minimum ten days and he doesn't need longer. 00:21:41 Speaker 2: But to your point, if you think Luke Rayley having backtightness is the only reason that Randy ended up on the IL tonight, then it then he probably would just rejoin the team on Tuesday. 00:21:51 Speaker 3: Fair. I don't know that though, I'm not just speculating. It's a guess. 00:21:56 Speaker 2: No, we don't know. There hasn't been a true timeline given for this, so we'll see. But if yeah, So this is where it gets interesting, right because obviously before the MRI, they thought he'd be available off the bench and he'd be back in the lineup Wednesday. Once the MRI revealed a little bit more they shut him down and put him on the eye out. Now, I don't know if by a little more it means Okay, he needs a few extra days and he will be ready by this upcoming Tuesday for the road trip or if it means he's gonna need a few weeks. That part hasn't been clarified yet. 00:22:29 Speaker 3: See, I don't know if like a few days makes a difference with a hamstring. I'm not claiming to be some medical expert here, but this is why I really like our partnership here with Lake Washington PT. Like we really are learning about some of these injuries that baseball players are suffering. It's not so simple for a hamstring to just to be able to rest for a couple days and be fine and be better. Even if it's just a week for Randy, it would need to be longer than that to get back up to full strength. The typical the typical recovery on a hamstring strain is four weeks. Yeah, and I mean Randy strained his hamstring. They said it was minor, but we're sitting here on Tuesday, four days later, and it's still inflamed enough for him to go on the injured list for them to deem yeah, he he needs to be on the injured list. That makes me think it could potentially be longer. And the worry if you come back too soon from a hamstring is that your hamstring is not full strength when you come back. So all the explosive things that Randy does that has made him really good this year where he leads the team in doubles, he leads the team in stolen bases. You can't do that as efficiently if your hamstring is not at full strength because your muscles just aren't there, Like you don't have the muscle mass and the muscle strength to get to the bases fast enough as and what makes you what makes you good? And also by the way, like in the batter's box too, your your legs are working in that batter's box. If your leg is not comfortable as Randy arose, I believe it it's his left leg as Randy's you know, doing his leg kick and planting down. He feels pain in that, and his leg doesn't feel very strong or as strong as it could. That might affect the way he hits as well. 00:24:14 Speaker 2: Do you think he'd be ready to DH in a week and just not play the field, or do you think this is gonna be an overall He needs to just fully let it heal. 00:24:25 Speaker 3: I don't know, because I'm not a doctor and I didn't get to see the MRI. I just heard it from Justin Hollander like everyone else. But I'm saying, if it is like an actual strain, then it will probably be longer than. 00:24:38 Speaker 1: Ten days, right, Yeah, that's fair. 00:24:41 Speaker 3: Like there's other injuries we thought would be the minimum and definitely not like. I didn't think Brendan Donovan was gonna be out that long and he is just getting back on the field, includes to run around, which. 00:24:53 Speaker 2: They said they said here on Tuesday that they think by the end of June slash early July he'd be ready for a rehab assignment. So I'm gonna assume after the All Star break is when he's back. 00:25:05 Speaker 3: It's a long time he's out. 00:25:07 Speaker 2: I know that's you're talking about two months now, and you need you need Brendan Donovan. 00:25:13 Speaker 3: Man speaking of Brendan Donovan thoughts on his haircut. 00:25:18 Speaker 2: Yeah, people probably didn't get to see I don't They probably had no idea this was Brendan Donovan. 00:25:24 Speaker 3: Brendan Donovan stepped on the field today. For those of you that were at the ballpark, you might have not recognized him because Brennan Donovan chopped his long hair down and shaved. And I see him talking I see him talking to a coach and I didn't recognize him. It's like, oh, who's that? Like is this just is this an extra coach here for the day And Lal was like, no, that's that's Brendan Donovan. 00:25:50 Speaker 1: What. 00:25:52 Speaker 2: I don't think anybody tweeted a photo out or anything as far as I saw, I don't think anybody tweeted out any photos. 00:25:59 Speaker 1: We can try to get here this week now. 00:26:01 Speaker 2: That back being back at the ballpark, we can try to tweet it out for people in case they're curious. 00:26:06 Speaker 1: But yes, if you. 00:26:07 Speaker 2: Want, if you want some inside here on the pod, Brendan Donovan's lost the locks. 00:26:13 Speaker 1: It it's not a. 00:26:16 Speaker 2: Buzz cut, but the hair now doesn't flow down at all. It probably goes down like halfway down his neck. 00:26:25 Speaker 1: Not even I didn't. 00:26:27 Speaker 3: I didn't get that close. I thought he was unrecognizable. 00:26:31 Speaker 2: Well again, the fact he's shade and cut it decently short made him look very different. When I first was there on Tuesday and I saw somebody from AFAR taking ground balls, I was like, yeah, I didn't know who that was. And then as I got closer, I realized it was Donovan, and I realized it before you asked, and then once you asked, I was like, oh, yeah, it's Brendan Donovan. 00:26:50 Speaker 3: But he looks I think if Brendan Donovan and I were at the grocery store together and we walked past each other in the same aisle, I would have I would not recognize him. 00:26:58 Speaker 2: See, there's a lot of things I'm totally unskilled at. One of my odd, very good skills is recognizing athletes faces. 00:27:08 Speaker 1: I don't know why, but. 00:27:09 Speaker 3: His face looks totally different. 00:27:11 Speaker 2: I know, but even still, it's it's just an odd skill I have. Once after the Seahawks won the Super Bowl, my family and I were in Houston and at the airport were at. 00:27:22 Speaker 1: Baggage claimant all the way on the other side. 00:27:25 Speaker 2: I see somebody and I say, I think that looks like Red Bryant And they're like what I was like, looks like him to me? Which I know again, I know, like he's obviously a big DUDEUS okay, but but how many people are picking out Red Bryant from somebody at baggage claim It could be it could be any big person. 00:27:49 Speaker 3: I think I remember Red Bryant's face. I think I would have recognized him Okay, I mean it helps. 00:27:54 Speaker 2: He's what six three three thirty, but you never see him without his helmet on. And he was in a conglomerate, a defensive lineman that you know, they're in the trenches. You don't get to see again. You don't get see him with their helmets off that much, you know. And why would he be in Houston? 00:28:12 Speaker 1: I don't know. 00:28:13 Speaker 3: Was he worrying any Seahawks stuff? 00:28:14 Speaker 1: No, no, no Seahawks stuff. 00:28:16 Speaker 3: Hmm. 00:28:18 Speaker 2: Now, oh he might be from Houston or had family in Houston if I remember right, But yeah, I don't know. I thought I thought that was a pretty good pull on my part. I was like, oh, yeah, Red Bryan in the Houston airport. 00:28:28 Speaker 3: Let me revise that. I don't know if I would have recognized Red Bryant in the Houston airport, like if I'm mean, yeah, I don't think with no Seahawks gear on. No, No, I probably would have just looked the other one. I would have been like, oh, that's a football you know. Maybe the process would have been like, oh, that's definitely a football player, and then you look a little closer and you're like, oh, okay, yeah, maybe so I'd bring the percentage down, though it's not for sure that I would do that. 00:28:53 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. 00:28:54 Speaker 2: For whatever reason, I'm just decent at recognizing recognizing faces. 00:28:59 Speaker 1: Red Brian is from ten, by. 00:29:00 Speaker 3: The way, so that would make more sense. A last little bit of injury news is that it was essentially announced that Matt Brash, Cooper, Chriswell, and Carlos Vargas will not be back until they at least the trade deadline. 00:29:17 Speaker 1: Okay, you want a hot take. 00:29:19 Speaker 2: That was actually better news on Brash than I thought they. 00:29:23 Speaker 1: Were gonna get. Really, I thought there was a chance Brash might have been done for the year. Really, wow. 00:29:30 Speaker 2: I was pretty nervous about that Brash injury because we didn't know what the clarity of it was gonna be and what the significance was gonna be. Until they announced it, I did not know if he was gonna be back this season or not. To hear he's gonna be back by around the trade deadline, I actually think in some ways that's a win. Obviously, you wish he was just on the field period, but to hear he's only out till early August is actually a win. 00:29:55 Speaker 1: I think. 00:29:57 Speaker 3: I don't know if I would call Matt brash out until a win personally, but. 00:30:02 Speaker 2: Cool him missing one singular game is a loss for the team. He's he's been your best reliever at this point this year, or one of them. You could argue for air two, but he's been dominant this year. I wish he wasn't injured, but for what I thought the expectations of the injury were gonna be, I actually think that's better news than they could have gotten. I'm not gonna maybe a win is not the right word for it. I think it's better news than they could have gotten. 00:30:30 Speaker 3: Does put the Maritors in a very tricky situation. I mean, that's three guys you thought were gonna be in your bullpen that will not be with you for at least a month and a half. That's six to seven weeks. The Mariners are gonna need to cover until they can bring in reinforcements at the trade deadline. And we listened to Justin Hollander today say the trade market for relievers does not exist right now, so the Mariners have to roll with who they have in their organization to piece it together. 00:30:58 Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, I'm looking at brock Moore right now. 00:31:01 Speaker 2: It's only been six innings in Arkansas, but all of a sudden, he must have had a bad outing or two because currently he's got a nine ERA and his whip is sitting at two oh so. 00:31:14 Speaker 3: But at this point they might just give it a shot. Well again, why not, He's he's twenty it's like Curtis Washington. No, actually, sorry, that's not like Curtis Washington. Well, again, we've talked about this before. If you're twenty six and you were in the lower to mid miners, at some point the team's going to be like, let's see what you got, your big league age, let's see it. 00:31:37 Speaker 2: So that's fine, but maybe in two or three more weeks rather than tomorrow. Brockmore has the strikeouts again. In this very short sample across five appearances so far in Arkansas, he's striking out sixteen and a half per nine. 00:31:50 Speaker 1: So I mean he is swinging, he's getting swings and misses. 00:31:54 Speaker 2: The problem is he's walking a lot of batters and he's giving up some runs. 00:31:59 Speaker 1: Man, you could have. 00:32:01 Speaker 3: Walked a couple guys and given up a three run home run and that ruins his VRA right there. 00:32:05 Speaker 2: It's true again, but maybe rather than on June the eighteenth. We'd see Brockmore on fourth of July weekend. 00:32:15 Speaker 3: That's still decently early in the season, so I think we're just gonna have to see with that. It's not good injury news though for the Mariner's bullpen, they are gonna have to piece it together. Besides Andres Munnos apparently being fine with his back injury. All of this is the reason the Mariners decided to make the return of the piggyback inevitable, which they are gonna roll out here over the next few weeks. We'll talk about it, but before that, let's pause here for nad. The Mariners cooked up quite a plan to bring all six of the rotation members together. Lyle, they are going to piggyback the entire starting rotation from here until the All Star break. And I'm gonna be honest, I have never heard of this strategy before. I didn't think it could be done, and they seem to be attempting at. 00:33:06 Speaker 2: I have never ever heard of this strategy. But let's not even make people wait around. Let's not beat around the bush, let's not bury the lead. Where do we stand on this? We're gonna shock people, but we don't hate it. 00:33:21 Speaker 3: This is not bad. They are essentially going to shave two to three innings off of everyone's total over the next twenty one games. It sounds okay to me, like that's three at nine outs max per starter that they have to sacrifice capiche. 00:33:40 Speaker 2: Yeah, because again you're not isolating certain starters, including Bryce Miller, who's arguably been your best one. There was every reason to understand why Bryce Miller was not happy that first time through with the piggyback. 00:33:53 Speaker 1: Now, well, one, it. 00:33:55 Speaker 2: Seems pretty fair if you even just look at it off face value. It's hey, guys, nobody's getting here. Everybody is gonna lose a couple innings. Evenly, we're gonna keep everybody as a starter and also give the bullpen some de facto rest days when we stack you guys together. That's point number one, just off the face value. But I think the even more important part here is the fact that the communication was much better. There was a meeting between the six starters and the Mariners brass to discuss the plan, and they all sat down and said, we are okay with this. That's where everything is really the key. That's where everything is important. If you have everybody on board with this, then great, we're on board. It's really that simple. If your players and your pitchers are satisfied let's call it, with the plan they're putting together, then great, so are we. If you go back to the last time where everybody was pissed off, yeah, then then we have an issue with it, and we'll say you cannot run the piggyback. This blueprint of the piggyback that's different, more creative, and has everybody on board. 00:34:58 Speaker 1: Great, we're all in. 00:35:00 Speaker 3: Let's do our best to explain how this is gonna work for people, because people hear that and they say, well, you can't. How do you piggyback your entire rotation because you only have one extra starter. I think the way they're gonna do it is that they are going to have pairs, and their pairs are going to piggyback each other at certain points. The first one's gonna be on Friday against the Red Sox, where it's going to be the og piggyback. It's gonna be Bryce Miller starting and Luis Castillo coming out of the pen. Then you need to divide up the other two sets of starters into piggybacks. So that's what they're gonna do, right, So then hypothetically, the other two pairs are gonna be, in my opinion, based on how they line up in the rotation, it's gonna be Emerson Hancock and Logan Gilbert, and it's gonna be George Kirby and Brian Wow. I would be a little surprised if it is not those pairings, because then you would really someone we would be pitching on much shorter rests than the other one to make a piggyback work. Pitching two guys in the row rotation who pitch next to each other makes this work a lot easier because the rest days are very similar, if not the same. Now, when might they pitch? I mean, I'm not sure. They haven't laid out the exact schedule for those guys going forward, but it does sound like to me that they are going to do essentially the three separate pairings of this piggyback and essentially rotate guys through for the next twenty one game. It's about four weeks until the All Star break, about twenty one games. 00:36:31 Speaker 1: But they said they're only going to do three piggybacks, right hm. 00:36:35 Speaker 3: Which makes it a little complicated because that also means they're going to have to six man rotation for at least a turn. If you take a look at the Mariners schedule this next road trip they're going on, it would require a six man rotation. So like, let's look at this. I don't like this. Since they're piggybacking this week here at home, they won't need a six man rotation because they're going to have one, two, three, four, five, and then they're gonna have one game with a piggyback for the total of six games. But then on the they go on the road and they are going to play how many games in a row? That's three six, They're gonna play nine games in a row before their next off day back at home. I have a I would be shocked on a nine game in a row stretch. They're gonna throw piggyback in the middle of that. That wouldn't make much sense to me because then then guys would be pitching on short arrest, sure, and that kind of defeats the purpose. 00:37:32 Speaker 2: Sure, So then with that you get an off day you would welcome in. Well, they have a weird set and I think it's because of the World Cup. Because they play the Angels Monday and Tuesday, they're off Wednesday, and then they play Thursday. 00:37:49 Speaker 3: I think the knockout round starts on the. 00:37:51 Speaker 2: First right, and those games must be in Seattle, so yes, I think so. Then again, then you have a set of four games and another off day. So you would assume within those four games between the finale against the Angels and the three against the Blue Jays, one of those will be a piggyback and that would probably be piggyback number two, featuring either Emerson and Logan in that tandem, or it would be Wu and Kirby in that tandem. 00:38:20 Speaker 3: M hm. 00:38:21 Speaker 2: I don't know which one would be second, but I would assume it would be in that pocket. Then you have an off day and then you have well see, but then the Mariners have another six games leading up to the All Star break. So they say there's gonna be three piggybacks in here. But wouldn't six games in a row just call for a six man rotation. 00:38:40 Speaker 3: Yes, I don't think the six man rotation is gone. I think they're gonna piggyback win convenient, But they. 00:38:47 Speaker 1: Said they're doing three. What we just mapped out is two. 00:38:50 Speaker 3: I think the ones I projected when I tried to map this out on the schedule. So you have the first one on the nineteenth this Friday. I'm guessing next Tuesday in Pittsburgh is another one because that one lines up for George Kirby and Brian Wu. And the main thing they said that the key wording that Justin Hollander said with this is that they didn't want guys going pitching every seventh day and off days. Make it so you would pitch every seventh day. So Brian Wu will pitch on Will Brian Wu pitch He is gonna pitch on Thursday. Yeah, So if Brian we were to pitch on Thursday, he would be pitching on a seventh day on the twenty fourth in Pittsburgh, right, So he wouldn't want that. So to make that workout for him, that would make that would have him throw him and Kirby throw piggyback on the twenty third in Pittsburgh. So then after that then they unfurl the full six man rotation for the rest of that nine game road trip and then they return home and then so again, if they're gonna do this evenly, because the evenly part mat in this conversation, as all pitchers said, yes, we will sacrifice some innings to keep everyone in this rotation. The one of the only times to line this up would be on July third against the Toronto Blue Jays on a Friday night. Sure, if you do not do it, then lyle so then you would have Emerson on the third. You would have Logan on the fourth. You would have Emerson Logan, you had Kirby on the fifth, you had Brian will on the seventh, you would have Bryce Miller on the eighth, you would have Castillo on the ninth, and then you would piggyback a week later in Tampa Bay. That would be your choice, right, it would be I think it would be Friday the tenth would be the only other option for this piggyback in my opinion, if it's not on the third, you mean, if it's not on the third. I think it makes sense on the third because if you have six games leading into the All Star break, you just if everyone everyone's gonna get a break anyways, so they're not obviously not going to be in like in sink, there'll pitch more than every seventh day with the four days off, so you throw that, you give everyone a start on that final road trip before the All Star break, and then everyone's off. 00:41:09 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I think that all makes sense. It's a headache, but I think it all makes sense. So to recap again for everybody who might have just gotten lost in that pretzel, and I don't blame you if you do, because there is a lot of moving pieces with this. If we're gonna try and guess and project, the one thing we know is this Friday, there's gonna be a piggyback with Bryce Miller starting, Luis Castillo coming in second. We think after that, and credit to TJ for mapping it out, the other two piggyback games will be the twenty fourth in Pittsburgh, or sorry, the twenty third. 00:41:41 Speaker 3: In Pittsburgh, right, Yeah, twenty third. 00:41:44 Speaker 1: Twenty third in Pittsburgh. 00:41:45 Speaker 2: So the first day of the next road trip on Tuesday, this upcoming Tuesday in Pittsburgh, and then Friday, July third at home against the Blue Jays. Those are when the three piggybacks could happen. That's what we're guessing. Well, but then from there they could still use a six man. 00:42:05 Speaker 3: So there'll be some shuffling. We'll see, we'll see how I'm honestly fascinated to see how how close I get to projecting this out. I could could be totally wrong. I could miss on all of those dates I projected out. If they want to shuffle the rotation around, but it would have to happen on the in the rotation order for the guy who pitches first in that rotation. So for Logan Gilbert and Emerson Hancock, hypothetically, it would have to happen on Emerson's start day because you're not gonna because then who would start in Emerson's spot If Emerson's piggybacking Logan the next day, right, that wouldn't make any sense. And it's the same thing for Kirby and WO. Would have to happen on Kirby's start day, not Brian Wu's start day. So that limits what you could possibly do. And that's if that's what the pairings are. So that's the strategy of it, and that's how that's how everything works. We've talked about why we like this so much. I want to put this in perspective for people. As our opinion was as the last podcast, it's time to just put a Mariner's starter in the bullpen. The Mariners have actually done us one better, well, actually maybe two better. The Mariners are now going to essentially swap around three starters. 00:43:15 Speaker 1: In the bullpen. 00:43:18 Speaker 3: And we floated the idea of two out there and we're like, no, no, that's not gonna happen. And the Mariners are like, you know what, We're gonna put three starters in the bullpen. 00:43:28 Speaker 2: Well, we floated out two in the bullpen with the idea of Kate Anderson, but we said that was crazy and they wouldn't do that. 00:43:34 Speaker 3: But how about no Kate Anderson and three starters in the bullpen? 00:43:38 Speaker 1: Okay, but some people want to see Kate Anderson. 00:43:42 Speaker 3: I'm sure people do want to see Kate Anderson. I want to see Kate Anderson. Weren't you a little surprised and they said, yeah, Kaid's not in our immediate plans right now, I mean a little. 00:43:52 Speaker 1: I don't know what else he has to be doing. 00:43:56 Speaker 3: A lot of this is referring to an Adam Jude tweet where he was they were asking Hollander about this, and then Adam follows this up where it's like, again, kid's got the forty strikeout rate in the one to one era, and then Adam follows up the tweet where it's like, oh yeah, I talked to a scout that said Ryan Sloan is the most talented pitcher currently in the Maritors organization, including the big leaguers. 00:44:20 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, and what Jude tweeted is what we've been speculating most of the year. Seeming like it's really gonna happen. They said late in the summer, which probably means late August. 00:44:33 Speaker 3: Post deadline, that maybe post deadline when everything shakes out, or maybe they know who they have, or maybe even a few weeks after that. If we're talking again around late August, Adam Jude tweets out that both Kate Anderson and Ryan Sloan could be up on the big league roster down the stretch. 00:44:51 Speaker 1: Would be crazy. 00:44:52 Speaker 2: That means those guys are going to be in the bullpen for the playoffs, and that's what we've been speculating, saying, listen, when it comes playoff time, if the Mariners get in, you need your thirteen best arms in the organization on the roster. And assuming Ryan Sloan continues to develop and continues to pitch well, which he really has in five of his last six starts. Or so, Kate Anderson and Ryan Sloan are two of your thirteen best arms. 00:45:15 Speaker 1: So yeah, all hands on deck. 00:45:17 Speaker 3: Can you remind me the rule is they have to be up before September one to be on the playoff roster or they get rid of that rule. 00:45:24 Speaker 2: That sounds right, sounds from time in August? Then, yeah, you want to just look it up, dude. 00:45:32 Speaker 3: I honestly don't know where I would look that up. 00:45:34 Speaker 1: To be on let's see an MLB roster. This is great for forecasting September one two. 00:45:41 Speaker 3: You can even hear lyle typing on his computer. 00:45:45 Speaker 2: Well, you asked the question on the spot. We don't know the answer too. I'm trying to google it for the people. Okay, here we go MLB dot com. Yes, to be eligible for a Major League Baseball playoff roster, a player must be on their team's forty man roster or sixty day injured list. By nooney, they're an on September first. 00:46:01 Speaker 3: So forty man not big leagues, right, makes sense? 00:46:07 Speaker 2: But by that point are you gonna stick those guys into coma for a month? In Yeah, I mean, maybe you just add or you just if you're not ready to call them up on September first, and hopefully by that point they are. But if they're not, maybe you just put them on the forty man and continue to let them pitch in double A until they're ready to be called up. 00:46:28 Speaker 1: That's what they probably do. 00:46:31 Speaker 3: Another thing that stuck out to me today is that Adam also wrote that Jerry Depoto was very adamant that they are not sticking a starter in the bullpen, which like, fine, I mean, they've been very consistent about that, that's what they've said. I disagree with that because ultimately, I think the Mariners do need to get back to a five man rotation to optimize their roster the best. But what the Mariners are essentially doing right now, like what a piggyback is, is you're essentially just placing starters in the bullpen at opportune times where it works out for you with rest. The Maritors are pretty much cycling three starters in their bullpen to make it to the All Star break. They have innings to be thrown out of that bullpen that they need to make up, and they're gonna use the starters to make up those innings. They're just gonna do it in a strategic way. We'll cycling multiple guys in instead of just saying Luis Castill, you're gonna go to the bullpen. That's kind of like how I feel and I viewed this. 00:47:28 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's right. 00:47:31 Speaker 2: I still think there are some benefits to just using the five man rotation, including getting the extra bullpen on back. 00:47:36 Speaker 1: But I don't know. 00:47:37 Speaker 2: The Mariners have been very, very set on this all year to not move a starter, which I guess is what they deem is the best solution. 00:47:47 Speaker 3: The Mariners have to have some sort of date in mind when that managing a six man rotation ends, right, Like, they've put so much effort into this, into the strategy of once they brought Bryce Miller back, making all of their pitchers happy and throwing everyone in an adequate amount without having them get too much time off. Like apparently Trent Blank Trent Blink like stayed up really late putting together these plans for them to present when they were on the road trip of how this could work. 00:48:19 Speaker 1: Wow, So. 00:48:21 Speaker 3: At some point, like you don't want everyone spending that much time on the thing that's supposed to be the most predictable on a big league team on who's going to start if everyone's healthy. I'm just sitting here thinking that they have to have an idea in mind of like, once we hit this date, we're done with this. Like we need we need a bullpen arm, we need stability in our pitching staff, and we need to make less decisions on pitching. That's what we need to do. 00:48:52 Speaker 2: I mean, we did get a text from one of our baseball friends today who just said, plain and simple, why won't they just send Luis Castillo to the moon. 00:49:01 Speaker 1: We said, listen, we don't have a perfect answer for that. 00:49:06 Speaker 2: I don't know because we're wondering why it hasn't been a five man rotation all year. But you're right, they probably have a date in mind. Maybe it's the trade deadline, and maybe they'll maybe they'll look at the trade deadline as hey, let's get one more legit bullpen arm, and then we can move one of those starters to the bullpen, and you know you're gonna get Kate Anderson and Ryan slowing down the stretch and then your bullpen looks really different. 00:49:32 Speaker 3: They're gonna have to then, I think just roll with this until the trade deadline. If that's the case, If that's how long we're waiting, the Mariners are gonna have to cycle more piggybacks until was that August. 00:49:43 Speaker 2: Third, right, unless somebody unfortunately gets injured. 00:49:47 Speaker 3: In that case, then they'll just go to a five man rotation. Otherwise, I don't know how you go back to strictly the other options. If the six man rotation worked as well as they thought it did, they wouldn't be going back to piggybacks. They would have just said, we're rolling with a six man rotation. But that's not the case. If they wanted to just stick with one piggyback, they would have stuck with that, but they didn't. They went to a six man rotation. So now they're trying the third different variation of this. And I if Trent Blank came up with other ones, I'd be interested to hear them. But right now, I don't know how you don't just roll with this until the situation sorts itself out or you hit the state, because otherwise, I mean, they're just they're putting so much energy into this, right, more energy than I've seen them put into most things in season. 00:50:35 Speaker 2: Right, I would guess sometime between the end of the All Star Break and. 00:50:41 Speaker 1: The end of the trade deadline. I would think, how. 00:50:46 Speaker 3: Many games do they have post All Star break into the trade deadline. Let's see, So. 00:50:51 Speaker 1: They have I have the schedule upisodes. 00:50:53 Speaker 3: I do too, So they have six in a row out of the break at home, then they have three or sorry, no, that's four, and then go to the Dodgers four, seven, ten, and then an off day, and then the off days the trade deadline. So they have a ten game, they have six games in a row, and then they have ten games in a row out of the trade deadline until the trade deadline. 00:51:19 Speaker 2: Well, the trade deadline is the third. Yeah, on a Monday, which I was just thinking about this. We're supposed to play on in that celebrity softball game on Saturday, which we are very looking forward to again, will be at Lee Johnson Field in Kirkland at two pm on August the second. It's gonna be a blast. We'll have more details for you guys about it as the weeks go on, but that is within the forty eight hours of when MLB Trade deadline season starts coming to a close, and those final forty eight hours are. 00:51:47 Speaker 1: Always the most chaotic. 00:51:49 Speaker 3: If you wonder how that's like for us for a planning perspective, it is, Yeah, we're just gonna sit at home and wait. 00:51:56 Speaker 2: That is literally what we do the final two or three days of the deadline. Aside for my guess playing in the softball game. We just sit around and wait to see if there's trades that happen. 00:52:04 Speaker 3: I mean last year, I had a friend in town and I was like, do we think I can, like, can I step away for like three hours to just go get a drink and hang out. 00:52:14 Speaker 1: No. 00:52:15 Speaker 3: The answer was no, because they traded for Geno's Sarez right in the middle of it. So you never know what's gonna happen, So yeah, notifications will be on well. 00:52:23 Speaker 2: And that final day last year, remember how chaotic it was about are they gonna get the last bullpen arm? Can they pull off a Griffin Jack's trade? Can they pull off a David Bednard trade? Can they go get somebody? They didn't end up going to get going and getting any of those guys, but do you remember how many guys were going off the board on the final day, I mean, passing Twitter thumbs must have just been exhausted after the deadline hit. Remember we saw Griffin Jacks got traded and we said, what the fuck. We're like, why didn't the Mirrors go do this? And then more details come out, it's like, oh, they traded Taj Bradley for Griffin jack We were like, holy hell back then that we called that the essential of the Mariners trading Bryce Miller for Griffin Jackson. We're like, no, the Mariners are not trading Bryce Miller for Griffin Jacks. 00:53:09 Speaker 1: So this makes more sense and. 00:53:11 Speaker 3: I feel better about that that take, now that we've seen Bryce Miller this season. 00:53:16 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. 00:53:17 Speaker 2: So that's how crazy trade deadline season gets. Hopefully on that Saturday afternoon, there's nothing crazy. 00:53:24 Speaker 3: I could see them rolling with this after the All Star break as well, given that they play ten games. 00:53:30 Speaker 2: In a row. 00:53:31 Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, agreed, Well, but. 00:53:34 Speaker 3: After that day, yeah, I don't think so. 00:53:36 Speaker 1: A lot of news here on Tuesday, Teach, I gotta. 00:53:39 Speaker 2: Tell you, I mean, we only had one game in between the last podcast in this one, and we always wonder, like, you know, how are we going to plan out each show? What are going to be all the different talking points, especially when there's times where there's only one game in between. 00:53:57 Speaker 1: There was no shortage of news today. 00:54:00 Speaker 3: Didn't even talk about the game. 00:54:01 Speaker 2: No again, And when I say plan things out, this isn't planning things on the fly. This is as we're preparing day before day of about what our topics for each show are gonna be. Sometimes it's not a crazy news day, and you're gonna dive more into the games and more into specific storylines and the play of certain players or the play of the team as a whole and trends. 00:54:23 Speaker 1: No, not today. There was a lot of news now. 00:54:27 Speaker 3: Well, unfortunately a lot of it's been bad for the Mariners because it's been a lot of injuries and think goodness, like they came up with something that is like so interesting and so new. 00:54:38 Speaker 2: We do like new, yes, and we like all the players being not disgruntled, so that is a plus. 00:54:45 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, yeah, I guess I can't. I don't know if they're happy. They all agreed to do this. Yeah, like they all they all came together as a group and agreed to do this, which is I think I real positive of having a bunch of homegrown guys. I don't think this happens if you have a highly paid team with a lot of free agents. 00:55:02 Speaker 1: The Rangers would not be able to do this. 00:55:05 Speaker 3: No, you mentioned asking Jacob de Groum to Piggyback and. 00:55:08 Speaker 1: A Valdi and all those guys. 00:55:10 Speaker 3: No, I don't think so. I think this is a huge This is a testament too. I think the Mariners culture. This is something they put a big emphasis on with all their draft picks and all their prospects, and this right here is how that prospers and how it helps out the big league roster at a time where it could crunch a little bit, and they're managing to be very flexible. 00:55:30 Speaker 2: And paired with when they acquire the highly paid veteran, the star veteran, they acquired the right one. I know Luis Castillo has had plenty of struggles this year, and we've talked about the downward trend that he's faced the last couple of years, but obviously the beginning of his time in Seattle was dominant and the culture part of it. I mean, he has geled with those guys as well as anybody possibly could, and you've heard NonStop stories about it. So the homegrown guys paired with somebody like Castillo, Yeah, it is a testament. All right, that just about wraps up this edition of the Marine Layer Podcast. 00:56:05 Speaker 1: You guys know the drill. 00:56:06 Speaker 2: If you want to listen to the full form podcast, you can do so wherever you get your audio pods. Make sure to download these episodes. If you're listening, please go rate and review and leave it five stars. 00:56:14 Speaker 1: It helps a ton. 00:56:15 Speaker 2: If you're on YouTube, go like, comment and make sure to go hit that subscribe button. It's right in front of you, guys. 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