Episode 418: What Are The Mariners Going To Do To Stay Afloat With All These Injuries? (Mailbag)

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It's a mailbag episode, so we'll open it up and answer your best listener questions. 00:00:52 Speaker 1: Your guys. Reminder before we start this episode. Just do us a big favor. Make sure to go download these podcast episodes on the audio side and then rate and review for five stars on Apple, on Spotify, everywhere. If you're on YouTube, go hit subscribe. It's the best way to support the channel. Just click the button. You can find us at our website marine layerpod dot com. Merch is all there, patreons there, all of our episodes are there. That's our website, marine layerpod dot com. And then find us on social media. We're posting content every single day everywhere at Marine Layer Pod. 00:01:23 Speaker 2: Let's get it rolling and we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Layer Podcast, part of the Just Baseball podcast network, Recording here on Thursday evening, June eighteenth. The Mariners finally win a series and if not enough guys are already hurt, Julio managed to get hurt this week as well. 00:01:54 Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe we should just focus on the positive and glass half full being that they want to see. With so many offensive players banged up, maybe we can just go that route. 00:02:04 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm down like they pieced it together, and when you piece it together, you also need Brian Wood to be dominant. Someone who's been really up and down for the last handful of weeks, which has been really puzzling to see. And then he went out there and he shoved it down the Oriole's throat. Also fun fact, I didn't even realize this until I heard Angie talk about it on the broadcast. The Mariners haven't beaten the Orioles in a series since twenty twenty two. 00:02:28 Speaker 1: Dude, that's actually nuts. I mean, I was thinking about it. You remember the Orioles series from twenty twenty three, right when you had George Kirby's nine inning shutout, outing on Felix Knight, on on Felix's Hall like Mariners Hall of Fame night, and they lost, And then the next day was the day that Ty Franz was robbed of a homer I think by Cedric Mullins. Very next pitch, Dom Canzone hit one off the Hitted Here Cafe. They tied it, but then they lost an extras So that was twenty Yeah. I don't think they won that series in twenty four, either of them. I remember them struggling a bit against the Orioles in twenty five. 00:03:08 Speaker 2: Yeah, they got swept at home against the Orioles last year. 00:03:11 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I mean, I guess that doesn't totally shock me. 00:03:14 Speaker 2: That just kind of blew my mind. The Orioles have been pretty good in that stretch, Like they were really good in twenty three, they were good in twenty four. Last year they were not good at all. But the Marriers were good all those years. And you don't have to be like great versus a bad team to win a series. You just need to literally win two of three of the Mariners managed to do that exactly none of the times, which was crazy. But all that really matters is that the Mariners won this series, and they didn't keep their losing streak going of series clinching games. Until that point, they had lost six games in a row in which they were in a position to win a series against the team, starting at the beginning of the last road trip against the Tigers when Munnos blew that game, and then on actually in the game before that, and then you know, on the rest of the road trip. So it's nice to see, Thank goodness, this injury thing really is getting out of hand. I mean, even if it's just small things, every possible person you could think of to get injured is getting nicked up in some way or another. Can we go down like the list like Carris stuffed an injury this year. 00:04:16 Speaker 1: Let me try and go down it and you tell me if I missed anybody. Cal Raley was just out, got back off the IL. JP Crawford was out, Just got back off the IL. Josh Naylor's currently been playing with a banged up wrist. He was out a few games, got back in the lineup. Colt Emerson has not been on the IL, but he has missed a few games in spurts this year since he's. 00:04:37 Speaker 2: Been up backspasms. 00:04:38 Speaker 1: Back spasms. Brendan Donovan out. They think he'll be on a rehab assignment toward the end of the month, maybe started at July, so that's him. Randy Rosarina is now on the IL, so you can chalk him up. Julio's now got something going on with his hamstring, so he missed the game here on Thursday. Luke Rayley's been out because he's got something going on with his back. You've got Matt Brash who's now out again with a load injury. Cooper Chris Wells on the IL. Andre's Munjos has had back problems of his own. Gabe Spyer has been on the I L this year. Who have I missed Victor Roblis, Oh, him too. That's a lot. 00:05:17 Speaker 2: So you pretty much just named all of the frontline players for the Seattle Mariners, sans Cole Young. 00:05:24 Speaker 1: And Stands their pitchers. But Bryce Miller had an injury this year and he started the year late. 00:05:30 Speaker 2: The two relievers that have been there the whole time are Bizardo and Ferrara. Yeah, Cole Young, Edward Bizardo, Cole Young, Edward Bizardo, Jose Ferrer, Logan Gilbert, George Kirby, Brian wu and Emerson Hancock. That's it. 00:05:51 Speaker 1: Wow, that is a lot, man. 00:05:55 Speaker 2: That's a lot of That is a lot of injuries. And you know, if I don't think we got asked specifically in this mail bag, guys, why are the Mariners getting hurt so much? That is not a question I think we can really answer. I really have no idea. Injuries can be very random, some of it can come down to preparation, but I honestly have no idea how we could prove that that's the reality of it. So it's just honestly a pretty bad string of luck. 00:06:24 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, the answer is there's no way to know it most likely is just randomness and luck, because the Mariners have had a lot of years where they've been incredibly healthy. Now, unfortunately, they're really catching the injury bug. 00:06:36 Speaker 2: Do you remember when Do you remember in twenty seventeen when they hired Lorraina Martin as the director of high performance and then all of a sudden, guys are getting injured in spring training in the beginning parts of the year, And I remember going on Twitter and people are like, I thought, this wasn't supposed to happen. 00:06:53 Speaker 1: Now, I mean, that year was nuts. How many pictures did the Mariners go through in twenty seventeen, remembering the year It might have been over forty. 00:07:03 Speaker 2: It was a lot. And they were still solid that year. No, I actually no, they weren't solid. They won like seventy some games. 00:07:09 Speaker 1: Yeah, they were under five hundred. They were supposed to be better, and then they were under five hundred. Maybe nobody worse than unfortunately Drew Smiley's soggy arm, which led to Tommy john after he was pumping ninety eight in the WBC. 00:07:22 Speaker 2: The Mariners learned their lesson from this experiment. It's if you're gonna hire a director of high performance. You don't really need to publicize it because then because then people need someone to blame when all these people, when when guys are getting hurt. If the Mariners had a director of high performance or like a public like director of health on their staff, then we'd be getting mailbag questions or it's like, guys, it's time to fire X. It's like, well, I mean, how do we know? 00:07:51 Speaker 1: Guys? Now, I will say that thing with Lorraina. Martin only lasted one year. Actually, I think it was twenty eighteen. She was hired, not seventeen, but in seventeen they had all the injuries to their pitching. That being said, maybe this is too niche for some of you. Maybe some of you don't remember the Lorena Martin year. Some of you, I'm sure do back in twenty eighteen. For what it's worth, we've heard that maybe it wasn't exactly a match made in heaven. I think no, I think, and I think a lot of it was on. Well again, from what we've heard from people on her side, I think I think the Mariners decided after that one year, yeah, maybe we can go a different direction. 00:08:40 Speaker 2: That was not great. So no director of high performance to blame, I don't. I don't know who you blame for all the position player injuries. Besides really really really bad luck. Good thing for the Mariners as it keeps happening. The division continues to be beyond awful. We'll answer the questions when they come up in the mailbag. When people would ask me, hey, are you worried about this season, I'd say, to make the playoffs, still know, even with Julio hurt. 00:09:09 Speaker 1: Yeah. And the nice thing for the Mariners here is up until the All Star Break, even though they didn't have the world's greatest road trip by any stretch, they still have a lot of really favorable series that they're about to play in ahead of the All Star Break, starting with this weekend with the Red Sox. I mean, if you ask our friend Jared Caravas, he has been tweeting out over the last couple of days that this Red Sox team is and I quote, the worst Red Sox team he's ever seen. They better win two or three this weekend minimum. 00:09:40 Speaker 2: But did you see the pitching matchups? Why don't you enlighten the people, Lyle, They're gonna face three lefties this weekend. 00:09:49 Speaker 1: Oh good, that's what I did. 00:09:53 Speaker 2: See someone I did see someone tweet that this is Rob Refsnyder's final boss. 00:09:58 Speaker 1: Well, it is his former team. So if that's what they mean, I guess so they're gonna get no. 00:10:03 Speaker 2: I mean it's like he's gonna be in the lineup for three straight days against three lefties. 00:10:08 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So going through the pitching matchups, actually, I say the Mariners better win two a three, and they still should because overall the Red Sox have really struggled, but they're getting three pretty tough starting pitchers to be fair, They're getting Ranger on Friday, Ranger Suarez, They're gonna get Connelley Early on Saturday, and Peyton Toley on Sunday. And for those of you who are not familiar with Connilley Early and Peyton Toley, they are both young pitching prospects that the Red Sox have been high on for a long time. They were both easily top one hundred guys. Both of them were up in the top half of the top one hundreds, and they've both been really solid totally especially has been really good. 00:10:44 Speaker 2: So the Red Sox offense, though, was awful. 00:10:48 Speaker 1: That's why I say better still win. Two to three. Speaking of our friend Jared Krabas. By the way, usually this would be the episode where we'd have them on because it's right before the Red Sox series. He has got as the successful, very busy guy that he is. He has got a whirlwind of a schedule this week, and he's actually got a whorl wind of a schedule next week. But I think we're gonna try and have him on next week, hopefully for next Wednesday's episode. We're still working out some of the exact details, but we are still planning to have him on. It's always one of our favorite interviews of the year, so I think that'll be next week For anybody wondering, Yeah. 00:11:25 Speaker 2: That should be a fun one. We love getting to have Jared on, so stay tuned for that. And we know the drafts coming up, and we're planning to get on some draft people to talk about some potential options for the Mariners as we get closer to that. 00:11:38 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think our buddy arm Lighton's gonna come on at some point, but with just Baseball, that'll be before the draft. Usually we like to have Joe on after the draft, Joe Doyle, so we'll get some of those guests going here, and we'll get going with some of the guests again. But yeah, we will definitely do some draft stuff here as we're getting closer, not as much as we did last year. I mean, last year we really hammered it home for people because they had such a unique pick, and we're in a ridiculous spot that we're like, all right, we better make sure everybody knows all these different guys this year. There's just such an element of randomness in the MLB draft where you just you can project enough, but you just don't always know for sure, and the names are not going to be as household for everybody down in the twenties as they would be at three when you get Kate Anderson. 00:12:20 Speaker 2: The Mariners could hypothetically pick like twenty five different guys for a number of different reasons at pick number twenty four, right, which just makes it it's like it's a great fit. It's like, well, the Mariner's target wanted to target this high school guy in the second round, so therefore they reached for someone in the first and sign him under slot. And it's like, all right, so we did all this prep for nothing. 00:12:41 Speaker 1: That's why we did so much last year. Because you knew who the guys were going to be at the top of the draft, there was not going to be many surprises and names, right all. 00:12:50 Speaker 2: Right, we got a lot of mail bag questions. The patrons showed out this week Lyle It was really awesome. But before we get to our mail bag, wanted to tell you guys about Emerald Queen Casino's summer lineup of shows. We talked about a bunch of them on here, but want to run down the rest of them for the rest of the summer. We have Rodney Carrington coming up on June twenty fifth, War visits Emerald Queen Casino on July seventeenth, Bramtley Gilbert is there on August twenty second, and then Pete Davidson on August twenty eighth. You can get your tickets today at Emerald Queen or at Emerald Queen dot com. 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You get access to ad free episodes, the mail bag priority, and a monthly video call with Loo and I. So the place to go for all that is Patreon dot com slash Marine Layer Pod. Dylan on Patreon leads us off and asks any draft targets you guys are interested in for the Mariners. 00:14:28 Speaker 1: Absolutely shout out Dylan for the question getting the draft stuff rolling here. So I would say to make note of a couple different things. There are mock drafts out there now there have been for a bit, but especially now as we're within a month of the draft. Let's go through a couple of them. So start off, our friends at Just Baseball and Arham, who put together this whole mock draft, says that the mari like projects the Mariners to take Kate Townsend. Kate Townsend, the right handed pitcher out of Ole Miss. And if those or you remember the last time we had Joe Doyle on with us when we ask them about early draft targets, Joe highlighted exactly that guy in k Townsend really really talented right hand or out of Ole Miss. If you look at m'lb pipeline, they think they project the Mariners to take Tigan Kuns, who's the right handed pitcher out of Tennessee. In other words, I think people are projecting the Mariners to take some college pitching, which I noticed some of you that might sound crazy because you're like, the Mariners have such a ridiculous amount of starting pitching in the minors. You can never have too much. And some of these guys may get used as trade bait at some point. 00:15:33 Speaker 2: And then the other option is our guy co Cole Carlan from Arizona State. Yes, fellow Sun Devil, there's a batch of pitchers that are projected in the early twenties that line up with where the Mariners are picking at number twenty four. It just makes the most sense for them. And if the Mariner's draft a picture in the first round, you'd feel like seventy to eighty percent confident he's going to be good. 00:15:57 Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's selfish. We are rooting for the Mariners to take Cold Carlin because he's an ASU guy, and not just an ASU guy, but an ASU lefty. I know a lot of you clamor for more lefties in the system. Who throws about one hundred miles an hour. So sign me all the way up. If col Carlong gets picked, we're blasting that Sun Devil theme song. 00:16:18 Speaker 2: If I'm gonna guess who the Mariners aren't going to pick at pick number twenty four, I'm gonna say they're not gonna pick a high school pitcher. I would be shocked if they picked another high school arm. 00:16:29 Speaker 1: I mean it's unlikely. High school arms, especially high school right handers, have a really, really tough track record, which is why Ryan Sloan's so unique. But the trend is not always that positive. 00:16:44 Speaker 2: Never they've really never taken any in the first round, and again for good reason, because that's so so so volatile. I could see a college bat too. I mean, if there's an outfielder, a college outfielder sitting there, like like Nicki Becker's brother who plays Virginia is sitting there right in the range of the Mariners as well. Not only would it be a cool story because those two would be reunited, but he's projected right there and he's a really, really, really good baseball player. That's what I would think about too. 00:17:14 Speaker 1: I mean, there's a chance they could look at some of the infielders if they just like the talent Justin Lebron maybe some of you know that name, because he was projected at the start of the year to go a lot higher. His stocks fell a little bit, Maybe the Mariners would still take a chance on him. Maybe if someone like Tyler Bell from Kentucky fell, who's Kentucky shortstop, they'd look at him. Who's a good college bat. But I get the sense they're going to take. 00:17:37 Speaker 2: An arm I'm right there with you. Thank you for the question, Dylan. Next question comes from Christian on Patreon. Christian's question is, with all the horrible luck and injuries who have been dealing with all year, all year, are you guys worried hell this year might turn out. 00:17:53 Speaker 1: Not because of the injuries, because eventually they're gonna get everybody back. There hasn't been any season ending injuries. But I don't know, man, I hope my Maybe this is just the current mood I'm in, but like I think it's because we've yet to see a real stretch of really really consistent ball and them really shoot their way up over to the point of five hundred, like over five hundred, where we expect them to be. But I don't know, Like I can't even use any data points to back this up. This is totally off feel, which we rarely ever do. But have any of the vibes felt weird to you at all this year? I don't know. Something to me feels a little odd. 00:18:38 Speaker 2: I don't know how you measure vibes. They haven't played well all year, but I would say they also haven't had their full team most of the season, which makes it tough. 00:18:48 Speaker 1: No, and again, maybe part of that's the injuries, But the injuries are part of it. You can go back to Cal Randy and the WBC, you can go back to the pitchers being furious about the original version of the piggyback. I don't know, like there's just been There's just been a little bit of drama this year that wasn't there last year. Remember how we talked about ahead of twenty twenty five, how every year leading up to twenty five there was all this different drama between you know, Kevin Mather happened, and then fifty four percent happened, and then well, I guess even last year the Jerry press conference after they signed Polanco happened, where he's talking about perception and reality. I don't know, there's just been a little bit of extra drama this year. 00:19:31 Speaker 2: Yes, I personally don't feel like the drama has been the reason they haven't played well. I think the reason we see flaws with the Mariners is because in some parts they're a poorly constructed team for specifically defense and base running, which is where most of the on field vibes come from. And then I'd say a lot of the other stuff is just sequencing. It's Cal being cold to start the year, which happens. He's allowed to be cold for a stretch, and then he gets hurt. Of course that's not gonna feel right, and then you know, pick your poison. I mean, Josh Neil was the same way, except he didn't have to deal with as many injuries. And then you know, you didn't have Bryce Miller for a while, and Louis Castillo was just not good, which was expected. We didn't think Louis Cassio was gonna be that good this year. I don't know if we thought he'd have a six cra not a six CRA No, but I wouldn't chalk that up to vibes. I would chalk that up to Louis Castillo has declining stuff, and he's been declining as a pitcher for years now, right. 00:20:31 Speaker 1: Yeah, So I don't know. If they rip off eight of ten, I'm sure we're gonna feel a lot differently. And maybe it's just the current state that we're in. I don't know. I guess, to be fair, if you want to use the other side of this coin, this is how we felt for the first four months of last season two, and then they turned it on in the final two and really propelled themselves, well, really the final three weeks because you remember the stretch they were on it in Tampa where we thought the season was over right there, but then they turned it around the final three weeks and it took them till the very end to really start to play like the team people expected them to be. All that being said, they could do that again this year, where it just takes them a while to get going and then they finally do. And let's hope that's the case. I think we just thought they were gonna get off to a hotter start, faster than they have been this year. 00:21:19 Speaker 2: I think we just thought they were gonna be better. Yeah, like they were gonna look like a World Series contender for longer than a few weeks, which they still have time to do, especially since their division is just unbelievably terrible. The Marritors could go on a terrible road trip like they were on this past week on the East Coast and they're still in first place. Yeah, in the exact same spot they were in. Maybe they were what two games up and now they're a game up, right, Okay, Like the rest of the rest of the teams in your division are pretty bad, and there have been teams in history that have just not been very good and still made it to the World Series. Just need to play well for a certain point, not the whole time, It's true. Next question comes from Eric on Patreon. A question is what's going on with the base running this year? 00:22:04 Speaker 1: See how exactly do you even quantify this? I don't think you can, other than I think it's just a I think it's a focus thing and an intent thing. When Randy Arose Raina gets back picked at first again, as good as he's been offensively and is as valuable as he's been to the team, this happens to him a lot. Maybe it's a sign of him getting too greedy. Maybe it's sometimes that he again like it's just an instincts thing. But I don't know if there's a real way to quantify bad base running. 00:22:35 Speaker 2: I have, I have wain I have one way you do. Yeah, the Mariners are the second slowest team by sprint speed in Major League Baseball. 00:22:43 Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't help, But that's different than getting back picked and picked off. That's what people get annoyed with with the base running. 00:22:50 Speaker 2: Well, there's layers. Bad base running is a number of factors. There's there's getting picked off, which which counts the Mariners have been in like the bottom third of caught stealing, which you technically is in Major League baseball, which is not great. But they're also not the worst at that. But you combined not getting caught a lot on the base paths with uh, they're one of the worst teams in advance. Get this. So not only do they not advance extra bases very well, they don't they don't attempt to advance extra bases very very often, which is not great. They're way down at the bottom of that. I think they've only done it. I'm not gonna throw out the number because it's irrelevant to people without context, but they're at the bottom in terms of attempts to an extra base this season. And then you combine that with just being slow. I mean, that's like a triple whammy of bad bass running. 00:23:41 Speaker 1: So there you go, Well, that can't quantify it. But when you also look at the you know, the rundowns they get themselves into, and the pickoffs and the back picks and some of just the you know, and there's been a few sens home this year where guys have been thrown out by a lot and that can be on a couple different parties. So you quantify the sprint speed and by that then yes, I mean they are not the world's most athletic team. But there's a combination of that and then the unquantifiable part, which is just the instincts factor, which is again you can't make the mental mistakes. 00:24:18 Speaker 2: They don't seem the most focused out there that I will back up. 00:24:22 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're and you can speculate a lot of things for that, I guess. But anyway, I would say, when you look through the Mariners usual starters, I mean, who's truly fast? Julio colt Emerson's I don't know if you quantify him as like fast, like Bobby Wit level fast, but he's a good base runner cult and he's worked on that a lot. He talked, We talked to him about that when he was in the minors. So it's those two. And then aside from that, I mean, I guess Roblades, but nobody really runs that fast. 00:24:56 Speaker 2: Julio, I think is only the only where's Randy at? 00:25:00 Speaker 1: So? 00:25:00 Speaker 2: Because Randy is a fascinating case on the base paths, So Randy, let's let's pull him up he ranks. Yeah, so Randy's about middle of the pack and base in sprint speed, so it's Colt Emerson. I think Cole Young's middle of the pack as well. So really it is only uh, it is only Julio who's plus on the bass paths in terms of sprints. Yet I think Luke Grayley might be up there too. But the rest of the roster, and it sort of lines up with what I'm saying is they're not necessarily fast. Then you go around, then you go around the diamond lile and you could say, who do you who could you confidently say is a plus base runner? 00:25:41 Speaker 1: Well, and that's what I'm getting at. You can't. It's not not col not Naylor, not Cole Yong, not really Donovan, not can Zone, like not Rayley. 00:25:53 Speaker 2: I wonder where Raley ranks. 00:25:54 Speaker 1: Again with Randy you talked about it. He's a fascinating case because he's stealing bags, but he's not actually that fast. I mean, it's not quite like the Nailor case where Naylor's really not fast and he still steals some bases. But yeah, there's just not a lot of fast guys on the team. 00:26:11 Speaker 2: Savant has really graded out as plus on the base, like slightly plus on the base paths above average. But the thing with Randy is he Yeah, he makes outs on the bases, yeah, and it seems like sometimes there's a bit of a lack of lack of focus out there. But he does also take the most extra bases and he steals all the bases, so it's like rights, it's a little bit all over the place. And then Julio's the same way. Julio has the best ability to take extra bases, but Julio has some mind numbing mental mistakes on the base paths and had he has for years. So it's just I think it's just how the team is constructed, right. The bodies you have on this roster are not are not set up in a way to be an ultra successful baseball team. And even if I think the Mariners had the best base running coaching in the world, I don't know if you can get this team above average because ultimately, I mean, it's a slow team and that's gonna hurt you at the end of the day on the basis, right, Yeah, I agreed. Before we get to the next question, Lyle, do you want to readad? 00:27:14 Speaker 1: Yeah? How about our friends over at Pagatcha's Pub eighty five because you guys know, it's our friends over in Kirkland. They have this awesome neighborhood bar where you can watch a bunch of games. 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Josh on Patreon asks TJ you most looking forward to about watching Field of Dreams this weekend and will you be giving us a full review on Monday? What am I most looking forward to watching Field of dreams this weekend. Wow, I'm most looking forward to them walking out of the corn. 00:29:17 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm most looking forward to Thano's dying in Avengers Endgame. 00:29:23 Speaker 2: But what I spoiled it for everyone? He didn't watch the. 00:29:25 Speaker 1: Movie, so did you? 00:29:28 Speaker 2: Oh? Wow? 00:29:31 Speaker 1: Oh they walked out of the corn. Wow. Oh Thanos dies in the last movie. Huh no way? 00:29:37 Speaker 2: Uh yeah. So I'll say that it'll be cool, Josh to see all the baseball players in the movie. That for a movie that I haven't seen, I will need to catch up on. Truly, the magnitude of of what's going to be happening happening on my screen. I don't know if I'll get to it this weekend. We have a really really busy weekend, but I think next week I will have some time to watch it. The Mariners are out of town next week, so that always gives me some time to watch more movies. 00:30:02 Speaker 1: I'll give TJ this. I do think this weekend is probably gonna be too much and not enough time to watch it. After that, I think he's gonna have some time. And by the way, not. 00:30:11 Speaker 2: Only next next maybe next Friday. I'll do a review. 00:30:14 Speaker 1: That'd be great, which By the way, as we're circling back to this subject, I gotta I gotta come back to this topic. And something you say that you said on Wednesday that I think is total horseshit because you said, oh, I don't have time to watch movies. Dude, you still like binge through TV shows? 00:30:32 Speaker 2: Not really, you don't. 00:30:33 Speaker 1: All I know it's about all these TV shows you watch. 00:30:37 Speaker 2: I mean, now, I've watched this this calendar year. Have watched one single TV show? 00:30:43 Speaker 1: Oh just Drive to Survive. 00:30:45 Speaker 2: No, no, not counting that one because I just just restarted that one. But also, like I been on flight, so that's helped me watch probably sixty percent of the episodes of Drive to Survive. I told you I watched Scandal this year, but like me and my girlfrin to what like together we're watching Scandal, And also that took us like since the end of last season to get through it. It's been a long time. I'm not able to like watch a whole season in one sitting, unfortunately, But when the Mariners are on the road, I have more time to sit down and watch something, and this something this time, instead of being one of TJ's TV's silly little TV shows, it'll be Field of Dreams. I didn't even think I could get that much shit. After last episode. I was blown away the amount of people who are like TJ, like, what the hell I'm gonna read you a tweet someone sent me about this very subject that I got a good laugh at it, said TJ. I pulled over to send this metcha message. Dude, watch Field of Dreams. It's actually a work assignment. If you're pulling over to send me that, I mean credit to you guys. It's insane. 00:31:53 Speaker 1: I mean it's probably on the Mount Rushmore Baseball movies great again. I just can't get over that. Here's why I've sat here and giving you and gave you a bunch of shit about it over the last couple of episodes. If you had just simply never seen the movie, I still might say to you, Okay, if you get a chance, you should probably go watch it because it is an iconic baseball movie. But again, for all the grief that I got for two years on brock and Salk about all the things I haven't seen or listened to, I don't do that to people because I know what it's like to be in that chair. There's certain things people aren't interested in. There's certain things people have occupied with in their lives and they just can't get to certain things. That being said, you are a massive baseball fan, do baseball content day in and day out. And went to the Field of Dreams. And once we planned to go there, you had a month to watch the movie and didn't. 00:32:48 Speaker 2: Yes, I'm a huge baseball fan now, but low, I couldn't tell you the last time I watched a baseball movie I hadn't seen before. I just can't get over the non moneyball baseball movie I've watched. I couldn't tell you. 00:33:02 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm serious, But it's when we planned out the trip, I said to you, Hey, you know what would be really cool. We're probably gonna go through Iowa. Would you be down to stop at the Field of Dreams. This was before it was all popular and was all the buzz with the actual baseball site. This was back when people would go tour it, but it wasn't a total tourist attraction, before the actual big League field was bill and I was like, Hey, we should go do this. This would be sick and You're like, great, that sounds awesome, only to find out an hour out of Dyersville, Iowa. You've never seen the. 00:33:32 Speaker 2: Movie all spending all my free time watching Game of Thrones then, so I think it was I think I was justified. 00:33:38 Speaker 1: I watched Game of Thrones in that same time period, Remember how Remember how fast I binged it through in that month or so before we went to the K League. I watched it all. Somehow I still managed to watch Field of Dreams. 00:33:49 Speaker 2: Speak of what you know what I'm gonna be watching this weekend instead of, uh, instead of Field of Dreams, Game Thrones because it's back this day. 00:33:57 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, House of the Dragons back, isn't it. Dude? 00:34:00 Speaker 2: Let's go so just like twenty TJ's flashing back to twenty nineteen, right now, he's gonna ditch Field of Dreams and watch more Game of Thrones. 00:34:08 Speaker 1: Well again, I want to watch House with the Dragon like I'm going to. But again, you know how many times I've seen Field of Dreams in my life A lot. I'll be curious. 00:34:17 Speaker 2: I'm happy for you. 00:34:18 Speaker 1: I'll be curious of after you watch Field of Dreams if you'll have more curiosity to watch Eight Men Out, Because again, Eight Men Out better tells the story of the nineteen nineteen White Sox than Field the Dreams. I mean, Field the Dreams has so many moving parts to it which you'll see. But Eight Men Out is really all about the nineteen White Sox. It's a really good movie, honestly, an underrated baseball movie. 00:34:41 Speaker 2: Stay tuned to hopefully next Friday's episode. I'll have some updates on my Field of Dreams feeling oh good, and then people might hold me accountable if I actually don't watch it by then, which I will try. I promise I will try. Alex on Patreon asks what do you think will be the total innings limits for Kate Anderson and Ryan Sloan this season? 00:35:03 Speaker 1: I mean Sloan's probably going to be limited because of a high school arm who's still getting built up. I'm gonna guess there's a reason they haven't let him work crazy deep into games this year for the most part. And I think there's a reason they think he will be available out of a bullpen late in the summer or early September for the Mariners because it fits with the potential innings limit they'd want him on. Ryan Sloan last year threw about seventy innings right now he's just shy of forty seven here on June the eighteenth, when we're recording. If he threw seventy innings last year, I would guess he'd be somewhere right around one hundred and ten. Does that sound right? Maybe one hundred something like. 00:35:41 Speaker 2: That, right about where Cad was last year. Right, So kid threw one hundred and nineteen innings at LSU. Ryan Sloan will probably end up around there, if I'm getting guess. I was so the numbers I wrote down. I think Kate Anderson's going to throw about one hundred and fifty to one hundred and seventy innings this year, depending on how much he pitches for the Mariners. Uh. And then Ryan Sloane, I agree with you, will be at about one hundred and ten. I was trying to find a Ryan Sloan comparison in the last like five to six to seven years. It's like, all right, a high school righty in the first couple of rounds who came out and is on track to make the big leagues and was a highly rated prospect, And like, what's a workload comparison I could find? Lyle, I couldn't find one. 00:36:25 Speaker 1: Yeah, no. 00:36:26 Speaker 2: Go. If the reason the Mariners don't pick high school righties in the first round, I just I inquire people to go back and look from like and through like twenty twenty. Go look at all the high school pitchers picked in the first couple of rounds of the draft, and you'll realize why. There were a lot of names where I'm like, oh my god, I actually haven't heard of this guy because he got picked and never made it out of the minor leagues. 00:36:49 Speaker 1: I mean, Ryan Sloan was essentially a first rounder. Yes, he was technically drafted in the second round, but this is what makes the MLB draft so unique. The Mariners gave him so much money, and they gave him first round money to the point where he told other teams, Hey, like, there's a deal being worked out here. I am going to sign for this amount of money at this pick because instead of taking the like the slot money at the end to middle of the first round that he was probably slotted by value to get Ryan Sloan, if everything just worked out like normal, probably would have been picked somewhere I would guess from eighteen to thirty. But I think the Mariners gave him similar money to that range of picks anyway, and said, hey, we'll get you at our pick, and they agreed. 00:37:38 Speaker 2: And that number right there is why Ryan Sloan is going to be in the Mariners bullpen without a doubt. I don't think Ryan Sloan will start a game for the Mariners this season. 00:37:48 Speaker 1: I think as we sit here again on June eighteenth, he's just under forty seven innings. Let's say if you double that, that roughly puts him at ninety if you add another two and a half months to his game, and then that gives them about twenty innings to work out of the Mariners bullpen to get him to one hundred and ten innings. And if that's the case, that could be in September, that could be in the postseason. I think it works out. 00:38:11 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so too. Jacob on Patreon ask because if you only had to pick one piggyback going forward, which one would it be? And why? 00:38:22 Speaker 1: I mean, Louis Castillo's part of it. I don't think there's any question. And then it's probably yeah, And then it's probably with one of the three guys who unfortunately has just had a whirlwind of issues the third time through the order. I know it sounds crazy to piggyback Logan Gilbert or George Kirby, but those guys have really had their issues the third time through. Honestly, I'd probably say Kirby. Kirby's numbers the third time through, if you want to compare all of them are the worst. His ops against the third time through, the order sits at about eight eighty and his sixth inning ERA. Let's check it now, because as of his last start it was at thirteen a thirteen ERA in the sixth inning. Then if you look since his last start, because he did give up another run in the sixth inning the other night. Now, as we look, I'm doing this in real time his sixth inning RA. Oh, it actually went down, but it sits at twelve seventy one. Twelve seventy one. 00:39:22 Speaker 2: A niney RA no longer increases in era. 00:39:26 Speaker 1: Right. That tells you a lot of what you need to know. So to answer your question, I would probably say it is Kirby and Castillo. 00:39:36 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm the same in the same boat as Lyle Luis. Castillo is one part of this piggyback, and I think the other one. There's three options. As we talked about on last episode option number or two episodes ago. Logan, Gilbert Emerson, Yeah, Emerson, Hancock and George Kirby are the three. Those are the three that have struggled. Once you get to the sixth inning, and once you're working the third time through a lineup, I would I'll go different. I'm gonna say our guy, Emerson Hancock. I actually think this would benefit him. It would allow him to throw a little with a little bit extra juice for those first five innings, and since he struggled later and starts, I think this would would help him out a little bit. 00:40:14 Speaker 1: Well, I guess after Kirby's outing the other night. Actually is ops the third time through sits exactly nine hundred now, so it has gone up from eight eighty So it's a nine hundred ops and a twelve point seven ERA the third time through. I don't know, though, man, I think like Emerson's numbers the third time through are not what Kirby's and Gilbert's are. They're they're better. I'm not saying an eight hundred ops the third time through is fantastic, but it's it's lower than the other two. 00:40:44 Speaker 2: It is lower, but you're talking you're you're comparing like two like semi rotten apples with one slightly more rotten. So I guess I mean there's always there's always an option. If you're talking about what's the most realistic one, Jacob, I think it's mine. 00:41:00 Speaker 1: You think it's Cassio and Emerson, Yes. 00:41:03 Speaker 2: Yeah, because Emerson has the least of amount of like pedigree to say like, I'm not doing that right unfortunately, like Kirby would, Yeah, Kirby and Gilbert would yeah. 00:41:18 Speaker 1: Again, Hopefully Logan Gilbert really starts to build on that last start, because the way he pitched the other night was phenomenal. That looked like vintage Logan Gilbert, and I hope we start to see a much more consistent run of that. Not that anybody can expect him to go seven innings of shutout ball or one run ball every time he takes the mound, because that's not realistic. But just to get back to the Logan Gilbert we got pretty used to seeing in twenty twenty four that version. I'd love to see him build on it, and hopefully he doesn't have those issues the third time through, because again him and Kirby the third time through the order they have just it was last year and it was this year. It has been a real thing for them. They have really struggled. 00:41:59 Speaker 2: Cole on Patreon asks if Julio's injury causes him to go on the IL for a little bit, could we see a call up of Michael Arroyo. 00:42:08 Speaker 1: So I know he sent in this question that Arroyo's hitting a little bit better as of late, which is great, you love to see it. That doesn't fix your issues in the outfield. If Julio were to go on the IL, and I don't think he's going to, but if he were, I think you have to go get another outfielder. 00:42:26 Speaker 2: I'm with you. And also they have a lot of Michael Arroyo's in the outfield. The Michael Arroyo type is all the above. It's no, I mean, Randy's not really, but the ref snyders, the the I mean, even Victor robs Vic's better at defense, less so offense. But it's still like the type of player Arroyo would be if he came up at his best. And then you have the two platoon lefties as well well. I actually I don't even know if I want to throw don canzone in there because he's been really, really really good. 00:42:57 Speaker 1: Right, So, I mean, if you want to look at numbers down in Tacoma, I mean Victor Librada could be one. If you want to look at other outfielders. It's unfortunate with Brennan Davis because he might be up right now had he not gotten hurt because the Mariners needed them right handed bats. 00:43:16 Speaker 2: What about Spencer Packard. 00:43:19 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's another one. Packard's numbers on the year are because he Yeah, he's been in Triple A. He's got Yeah, he's hit. I don't know how. 00:43:30 Speaker 2: Much he's been. He's been about a league average hitter. 00:43:34 Speaker 1: Yeah, Now he doesn't play incredible defense, but it could be an outfield option. Sure, so yeah, probably. 00:43:44 Speaker 2: Not playing playing poor outfield defense has not been a deal breaker for the Mariners so far this season. 00:43:51 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, agreed. 00:43:55 Speaker 2: Next question comes from Ralph on Patreon, and Ralph asks what do we think of the two Slash radio broadcast crew this year and who could we see as a potential replacement for Rick Riz. 00:44:07 Speaker 1: Cru has been great. I think we've always said that we love all the people on the broadcast crew. I think we've talked about that We love the addition to Ryan Healy. I mean, we could tell the first time we had him on in the off season that he was probably going to be pretty good at this, and then he's just continued to blow everybody's expectations away. Being in that booth, having a position player in the booth to also help be able to break the game down has been really, really insightful. So yeah, they've all been great. Everybody's been great on those broadcasts. In terms of who replaces Rick Riz, my assumption is it's going to be friend of the pod, Gary Hill, or. 00:44:43 Speaker 2: Who's going to take the open spot in the booth? 00:44:47 Speaker 1: Oh honestly, man, it may come from somebody outside the organization. 00:44:53 Speaker 2: How much of a chance do we think it could be Rich Waltz. 00:44:58 Speaker 1: It's possible. He is more of a TV guy than radio guy, but it's not like Rich Waltz can't do radio. So sure the fact Rich lives in the area and he fills in when when people like Aaron Goldsmith have a night off like he did the other night, Sure could he be the radio guy with Gary and then when Goldie's off he gets some tame TV games Throughout the year. Seems possible. Yeah, and Rich Walt's great dude, by the way, so if he does that, yeah, it'd be all for that. 00:45:27 Speaker 2: And the Mariters did have Dave Simms. He noted TV guys splitting time on the radio for the last like three seasons, so it's it wouldn't be it wouldn't be impossible. And also like if you I can't speak for Rich, but for a lot of guys, if you were saying, hey, here's a full time play by play role, it's just on the radio, people like, oh no, I only do TV right, people make sacrif like think about it this way. There's also intrigue for some other broadcasters around the league. Remember god, oh it's Len Casper. He was the TV voice of the Cubs when they were really good and they had that core. But he went to the White Sox so he had the chance to call a World Series on radio. Like, you just never know what people's motivations are when they take a job. So it could be someone in the minor leagues, it could be someone in the big leagues. They could hire a way that wants to just come to Seattle and. 00:46:20 Speaker 1: Work for the Mirrors, right, I mean now, Unfortunately, for Lenn Caspery has not gotten to call a World Series on the radio for the White Sox. He moved and he moved on. Probably well, he moved over to the radio for the White Sox when he thought the core of the team was gonna be really good and have a chance to really make the World Series. But hasn't happened. 00:46:44 Speaker 2: No, no, it has not happened, so we never know. And then for the color analysts this year, I think they've been awesome. I love the rotation. I think the rotation brings a variety of perspective, with each person adding something something unique. And they've essentially turned the sideline reporter a role into more of a on field analyst role, which I really like. I think having twinsgrective on the field is very valuable. 00:47:06 Speaker 1: It's been really cool. I agree. 00:47:09 Speaker 2: Xander asks on Patreon and celebration of the World Cup, how many Mariners were born in a country that is in the World Cup right now? 00:47:18 Speaker 1: Okay, so you could count up all the Mariners that are born in the US if you want, but I think that's a given. So let's put those guys aside. The only other one that was born in a country that has a team with or that was born in a country with a team in the World Cup is Andres Munoz. It's Mexico. That's it. 00:47:38 Speaker 2: I was looking at the WBC and seeing how much overlap there were. So here's the countries that a player would need to be born in to have some overlap. US Japan, the marisona. How many Japanese players right now? Australia, England, Mexico, Colombia, Panama, and Canada. That's it, that's it, not a whole lot. 00:48:02 Speaker 1: Oh, well, Canada, then Matt Brash, Oh. 00:48:05 Speaker 2: There you go. Yeah, I didn't even think of that, Yes, Matt Brash. And then Michael Royo down on the farm playing for Columbia. Right, that's it. You when you look at the comparison of the two tournaments, you see really the difference of there are so few countries that play baseball compared to that play soccer. It's it's crazy. There's a reason they call it the World's game because. 00:48:27 Speaker 1: It literally is mm hmm yeah, it's wild. 00:48:31 Speaker 2: All right, We got three questions left, all good questions. 00:48:33 Speaker 1: Man. 00:48:34 Speaker 2: Again, Patreon questions have been amazing, You guys have been awesome. Recommend if you want to get on these mailbag episodes. 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He thought he just needed more of an opportunity to do it. Now. Canzone's chances against lefties this year have been very, very small, But if you want to use a small sample size, he's three for twelve. That's a two fifty average and an ops that's seven, twenty one. So I would say, ultimately off that we don't really know. You would need to see more opportunities for Canzone against lefties. But listen, I'm open to ideas. At this point. The Mariners need to get better against left handed pitching. And if you want to roll out a handful of games this year where you start to let Canzone get more and more chances, I guess I don't see the harmon in at this point. It's unfortunately not like ref Snyder's lighting the world on fire against lefties. So if you wanted to try out some different lineups and some different ideas, sure I could be open minded to that. I think, let me you know what you add on, hang on you go. 00:51:16 Speaker 2: I was gonna say, and you know, if you're gonna choose either of your two lefty outfielders to hit against the lefty, he's pretty easily the selection because Luke Rayley is not good at all against lefties, and that we know, and he's shown that over the years. I'd say, like, I'm not in the church boat of like like, yeah, technically, we don't know, and Dom has been technically productive against lefties the last two years. Most of his offensive production against left handed pitching is walks and dom Canzone does a walk. He's never been a walks guy in his career, but against lefties like this year, well, his walk rates over twenty percent against lefties. This is a guy who walks like five to seven percent of the time usually, So we're that's where the production's coming from. It's like, I don't know how sustainable like this is where it's like, yeah, I definitely know you're productive against left He's like, eh, he'll get roll the strikestone. 00:52:10 Speaker 1: At least. That feels a little random to me because he hasn't had that many chances against lefties. If he's walking at a twenty percent clip against south pose, that feels a little random and not enough to sample size. Let me say this to people because there are still people out there that clamor and say Luke Raley needs to play every day, and he needs to hit lefties, and he needs to be in there all the time because he leads the team in offensive categories X, Y and Z no. Luke Rayley has proven in his big league career that he does not thrive against left handed pitching. He's proven that the argument with Canzone is there's not enough of a sample size. Raley is not going to be hitting lefties. If you want to make the argument to see more of it from canzone, sure I can listen to that. 00:52:55 Speaker 2: I can't wait for this next question. Lyle Cameron on Patreon asks what are your guys' top five worst single season performances by a Mariner's player since twenty ten? Like overall seasons or just a game season. I think it's like a performance for a whole season, parts of a season. 00:53:20 Speaker 1: Tuffy Goeswich is going on there. There's absolutely no doubt, even though it wasn't that long. He's on there. Leoti Taveraes is on there. Speak of the devil who the Mariners had him on there? I mean who the Mariners just saw this week considering he was the worst Mariner ever. 00:53:34 Speaker 2: He was on pace for like a negative eight war season. 00:53:38 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:53:40 Speaker 2: Rob Refsnyder is on there already. Yes, he's he's on Leodi. 00:53:45 Speaker 1: Tavera's pace unfortunately. Yeah, okay, so that's another RESNA twenty two. 00:53:53 Speaker 2: Abraham Toro is on there. 00:53:55 Speaker 1: There was no chance you weren't putting him on there. He is number one at the top of the Okay, so I mean you have three. I've named two. But to your point about Rev. Snyder, I guess we haven't seen it through the full year. I named Tuffy and I named Leoti. I was actually gonna use Pollock as one, because again he had a four WRC plus against lefties. I don't know how that's possible, but he did. He's on there. Colton Wong's unfortunately on there. And then you have him too. 00:54:25 Speaker 2: Oh no, you could finish. Sorry, you finished first. I have two more, so I'll let you finish. 00:54:29 Speaker 1: No, no, I'm at four. You you read your next one. 00:54:32 Speaker 2: I have twenty twenty one. Rafael Montero, Oh god, dude, he had an eurie over seven. He was worth over negative two war It's funny. 00:54:43 Speaker 1: Weren't all his numbers under the hood that ye're good, But he just couldn't actually get out. 00:54:49 Speaker 2: And then he went to Houston and he dominated. 00:54:51 Speaker 1: Which doesn't really shock me, to be honest. If you want one final one, I mean I feel like I owe it to this question to try to dig back deep into the early years, because they said since twenty ten. So if you're gonna go since twenty ten, I mean you could put somebody on there like Corey hard if you wanted No, you. 00:55:10 Speaker 2: Have to think worse than that. There's worse teams like think of the twenty ten Maritors Lyle if you if you really want one Lyle, you can say twenty ten Ken Griffy Junior. 00:55:22 Speaker 1: I don't think people are gonna like that, but yes, when you. 00:55:25 Speaker 2: Don't he played. He He's essentially put up the same numbers that year as Rob Refsnyder did this year. 00:55:33 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's pretty bad. Now. 00:55:34 Speaker 2: Should Ken Gurvey Junior at age forty be playing for a Mariners team? No, And I think Griffy agreed, given that he retired in the middle of the season, I'll never understand why he came back in twenty ten. Man, do you remember what happened at the end of two thousand and nine? Well, he had to walk off at the end of the season. 00:55:52 Speaker 1: That's not what I mean. That's not what I mean. Do you remember the last game of the two thousand and nine season. No, they picked him up. All players pick Griffy up, put him on their shoulders. Oh yeah, those theyried him around the circumference of the outfield after the last game. And that felt like it. That felt like his you know his parting ceremony, that felt one song he has right off into the sunset. Then he comes back in twenty ten. It's a disaster. He's napping in the dugout and he just retires midseason. I love Junior everybody, like, there's no person that shouldn't love Junior because he's a Mariner's icon and the greatest one ever. But I'll never really understand why he came back for twenty ten. 00:56:35 Speaker 2: Speaking of guys we really like, unfortunately Hyphens twenty ten season is deserves an honorable mention on this list. He had a negative two point six war he won. I know, we don't. We're not a huge wins and losses guys, and that team certainly didn't win a lot of games. He won one game all year. 00:56:57 Speaker 1: I feel like I wanted to pick a different Mariner than that, especially since we like Hypen. 00:57:01 Speaker 2: Well, he's not an official selection. Do you know my actual selection? It was the entire twenty ten Mariners team. 00:57:08 Speaker 1: Okay, so my last one was gonna be Sean Figgins because his final year in Seattle, he put up a negative one point two war in sixty six games, a five point thirty three ops that guy put up for the year. 00:57:21 Speaker 2: Not great. 00:57:22 Speaker 1: No, and we can keep going down a list. We didn't mention Casey Kachman. We didn't mention a bunch of different guys. But yeah, there's five. 00:57:30 Speaker 2: You say, Kukuchi's first season in Seattle. 00:57:32 Speaker 1: Oh, that was pretty bad. 00:57:35 Speaker 2: When you're the Seattle Mariners. Unfortunately you have a lot of nominations to a list like this. 00:57:39 Speaker 1: Mm hmm yeah. 00:57:40 Speaker 2: Final question comes from David on Patreon. David's question is, with Randy going on the aisle the same data cal returns, do we need a new Etsy Witch to clear out the remaining bad vibes from the Mariners team. 00:57:54 Speaker 1: Listen, man, if you think it Etsy Witch is gonna fix all the injuries, go for it. You're talking to a person who pays Etsy Witch to try to get Kyle Tucker. 00:58:02 Speaker 2: Didn't work. But I tried, but she cursed. She might have cursed Kyle Tucker in retrospect because he's been bad. 00:58:09 Speaker 1: I didn't even think about that. Did I actually curse Kyle Tucker? That would be a sad day. 00:58:15 Speaker 2: Then you should say, okay, Kyle uh. For the price of about twenty five million dollars, I will lift the curse. 00:58:23 Speaker 1: He has to give us twenty five million dollars. Correct, I do that seems reasonable. 00:58:29 Speaker 2: He can stay on the dog if he gives us out. I'll let him stand the Dodgers, all right. 00:58:34 Speaker 1: Listen, I guess I suppose twenty five million dollars will have to suffice. We split that in two. That's twelve and a half million dollars for each of us. Well, we'll try to make ends meet with it. 00:58:46 Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be tough while, but I think, well, I think we'll manage. 00:58:50 Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, you want to go for the etze witch, go for the et Sea witch. I am all for people being a fan in any way, shape and form that they want to be. 00:59:00 Speaker 2: Yeah. Great mailbag guys, that was That was insane Again every week you guys staffed the mailbag or Patreon mailbag, especially with questions. It's it's crazy Patreon dot com slash Marine Layer pot if you want to get in on these mailbag episodes, like the options to like get questions from other areas or like it's it's slim now that there's a lot of questions floating around the Mariners, So Patreon is the place to go. 00:59:22 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think what TJ means by that is. As much as we appreciate all the Instagram and Twitter and YouTube questions, et cetera, Patreon obviously gets the priority and people are just bringing it on the Patreon these days. So if you want your questions answered, you can go sign up. Like TJ said, all right, that just about wraps up this edition of the Marine Layer Podcast. You guys know the drill. If you want to listen to the full form podcast, you can do so wherever you get your audio pods, make sure to download these episodes. If you're listening, go rate and review on Apple and Spotify everywhere. Make sure to leave it five stars. 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