Episode 43: Paul Sewald Heads To Arizona, Mariners Get Younger And The AL West Loads Up

00:00:00 Speaker 1: Welcome to episode number forty three of the Marine Layer Podcast with TJ. Matthewson and Lyle Goldstein. On today's pod, we'll break down the MLB trade deadline. It's the Mariners trades in our Mariners storylines and the trades from around baseball in our MLB wrap around. We'll close out the show with Speak your Mind. 00:00:19 Speaker 2: And you guys know. 00:00:20 Speaker 3: But just a reminder, if you want to listen to our full form podcasts and you're listening on YouTube, you can go over to our audio platforms that's Apple, Spotify, Google and Amazon. If you do that, make sure to follow us. Make sure to go download our episodes, give us a five star review. It helps big time. And on the reverse side of that, if you're listening on the audio side, check us out on YouTube. Guys, we do a bunch of stuff on YouTube, So hit subscribe, turn the notification bells on, like comment, all that good stuff. Social media, you guys know as well, but Instagram, TikTok, Twitter, YouTube shorts can follow those channels at Marine Layer Pod. 00:00:58 Speaker 4: Let's get it rolling, and we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Layer Podcast, part of the Just Baseball Podcast Network Recording post deadline here on Tuesday, August first, and I already missed Paul Seawald. 00:01:25 Speaker 2: That was a long day yesterday. 00:01:27 Speaker 3: It really was a long day, and it actually took more out of me mentally and emotionally than I thought it was going to. Especially being there at the ballpark and seeing it all go down and seeing Paul Seawald talk to the media kind of hit home, and it hit you hard. You realize how much of a fan favorite he was. 00:01:45 Speaker 1: From our episodes last week when we talked about Paul Seawald, I tricked myself into thinking it was not going to happen seeing the result they got. We'll break down the trade here in a little bit, seeing what they actually got from the trade. It's not overly shocking that Jerry ended up pulling the trigger on that trade, but I saw in my mind Paul Seawalld as a member of the Mariners this year and the Mariners next year, as a very crucial part of what they hope is a winning ball club. And now instead he's going to go get the chance down in Arizona and bolster Diamondbacks bullpen that has struggled quite a bit here over the last couple of months, so he is a pretty good addition for themselves. But the Mariners did out okay too, crazy, crazy day of news yesterday and Mariner world kind of quiet today. Kind of shocking. I'm gonna be honest, But while you were there yesterday at the ballpark planning to talk to Luis for some of our social media content, but instead you got sucked into a whole different whirlwind. 00:02:46 Speaker 3: Wasn't what I was expecting. I'll tell you that. I mean, you have to try and prepare for it. Being Jerry Depoto is the president of Baseball ops for the Mariners. There are rumors about players being potentially traded, and it was getting close to the deadline. But the Mayor are home for three games this week against the Red Sox and they go back on the road and they're back home. We tried to coordinate with and did coordinate with the PR team about doing some of our social media interviews with Luis and ask him in a few questions. And one of the PR guys is bilingual. He was gonna help us translate for Luise, which we were really excited about. We thought it would be a really cool thing that we could do. But I'm walking over there yesterday, I'm walking across the skybridge over to go get my media pass. I opened the door and I get the pass and notification, so I have his notifications turned on, as I think most baseball fans that are die hard about this stuff do. I get the notification immediately and in very Roy Kent fashion, I see it and I'm just like, in a whispering voice. 00:03:46 Speaker 2: Fuck. 00:03:49 Speaker 3: If you know Ted Lasso, you know that you know that reference one because I was sad to see Seawald go. But two, as soon as I saw that, I was like, this Louise thing is not happening today, is it? Because it's about to be kay, And that's what happened. We'll have to do it another time, which is okay, But it turned into doing a lot of Paul Seawall's content. We had Scott Servis talking to the media, we had Paul Seawall talking to the media. It was very very quiet around the ballpark pregame yesterday, which isn't shocking. Like I said it in our little Layer Talk video which if you see our Twitter Instagram story you can find it, it was nothing like the Kendall Graveman trade. Like guys weren't outwardly mad or anything like that. I think guys were just disappointed because he was a good clubhouse guy, and that's not even selling it right. He was a great clubhouse guy. So I think guys were just going through it a little bit. 00:04:36 Speaker 2: Yesterday. 00:04:37 Speaker 1: I think we should have started the pod two years earlier, just so you could have been there instead for the Graveman Trade. I think that would have been I think that I told you yesterday, while it was disappointed we didn't get Luise, I thought our social media content yesterday was phenomenal. People really appreciated it. You mentioned like, no one's taking videos of these scrums with the players before the game. You'll see them tweet something out in text. No one's actually going to get a video of it, but you're putting videos out of it. And people on Twitter were really really loving it, so that it was good in that aspect. But could you imagine, like what kind of content we get if you were there for the for the Graveman Trade. I think that I think it would I think it would have topped. 00:05:15 Speaker 3: It if Kyle Seeger had actually put some of those quotes out to the media with video recording him and then that just gets pushed out onto Twitter like five minutes later of him saying that the GM of the team just plays fantasy baseball up in his office. 00:05:36 Speaker 2: I mean, that deadline was unbelievable. 00:05:39 Speaker 3: I mean, Ryan Divis deserves a lot of credit for that, because he did a really good job of reporting what happened inside that clubhouse during the deadline. But some of the quotes that came out two years ago were just absurd. That's the difference between the team two years ago and this year. Two years ago, there were still a lot of animosity toward the front office. I mean, Kendall Graveman had issues with the office before he was traded. You know, Kyle Seeger had some issues. It was an older group of guys paired with young and up and coming talent. I think this core group in twenty twenty three understands the vision and they might not have been excited about policy while getting traded again. Teammates loved them pretty much. Everybody loved them, but I think there was more of an understanding this time. 00:06:18 Speaker 1: What would you have tweeted when you saw Abe Toro walk past you in an m's uniform. 00:06:24 Speaker 3: I'm not sure I would have even recognized them. I mean, if the name had been on the back of his jersey, I would have recognized them. But if he had just had a Mariner sweatshirt on, I probably would have not thought twice about it. 00:06:36 Speaker 1: Honestly, that's fun to think about. That's why the deadline is so fun. Overall, though, to be honest, for this deadline, I did think it was a little underwhelming. There were some big names that went around, but wasn't really a true I would say, true explosive blockbuster that went down. 00:06:54 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with all that. 00:06:56 Speaker 3: Let me flip the question back to you here, dog, what would you have tweeted you saw Abe Torow walk by in a Mariner's jersey Because I'm gonna go with something along the lines of this man has done miracles on me. 00:07:09 Speaker 1: Uh who what would I have done? See? At that point, I would not have come to the conclusion that he was the worst baseball player I've ever seen, So there might be might have been a slight twinge of optimism if I hadn't known that graveman was on the other side of it. I would Yeah, remember the. 00:07:24 Speaker 2: First two weeks when he lit the world on fire and we thought, oh my God. 00:07:28 Speaker 1: Yeah, and he had a babbit of like five hundred and then everything everything he put the bat on would would drop for hit. And then right from there on out, after those first two weeks, he was essentially a twenty five year old version of twenty twenty three Colton Long. 00:07:45 Speaker 3: I would love to dig up all the texts that TJ's sent me over the over the last year and a half regarding the name Abe Toro. 00:07:52 Speaker 1: Maybe we'll do some off season reading when it gets slow during the off season. What we'll dig some out and we'll pick some good ones. 00:08:02 Speaker 2: Oh, that would be great. I can't wait for that. 00:08:05 Speaker 1: Let's pocket that idea. Honestly, I don't think that's too terrible of an idea. Let's get to our Mariner's storylines so we can talk a little bit about this Paul Seawald trade. We'll lead off with Paul. The full package for Paul Seawald, he goes to the Diamondbacks. The Mariners receive now major league outfielder Dominant Canzone, utility man Josh Rojas, and minor league infielder Ryan Bliss for a reliever with a year and a half of control left. I don't think you can complain about this package too much. Canzone just got done destroying Triple A. Been When I say destroying Triple A, he was quite legitimately the best hitter in Triple A this season. Rojas is coming off a three win season last last year in twenty twenty two, despite struggling this year at the plate, and Bliss. When I talk about Canzone being the best hitter in Triple A, Bliss was the best hitter across all of Double A, right, sorry, second best hitter in Double A behind Kobe Mayo of the Baltimore Orioles, who's a top one hundred prospect. So it's kind of intriguing that Jerry grabbed the best hitter at each the Triple A and Double A level this year, as those high minor bats that he was kind of looking for and what he told us he was looking for going into this deadline. 00:09:24 Speaker 3: Does Dominic Canzone remind you anything of Mitch Hanneger And I'm not even talking about the play style, because obviously he's a left handed bat. Mitch is alrighty, but just the sense of he is not some blue chip prospect. He is in the Diamondbacks top thirty. He was ranked the Diamondbacks number nineteen prospect at the time of this trade, but twenty five years old, just tore up the minor leagues, starting to pick up some steam and momentum and feels like could be the type of player that really turns into something. 00:09:50 Speaker 2: Despite being a little bit older. 00:09:52 Speaker 1: Their ops's were nearly identical each of their twenty five year old triple A seasons in Reno. Like nearly identical. 00:10:01 Speaker 2: I think it speaks volumes. 00:10:03 Speaker 3: And look, we know some people in the Mariners' organization, and we talked to some people the last couple of days, and through the grapevine we've heard some stuff about from what scouts have said about dominic Canzone. The take on this is the Mariners have been interested in him for a while. I think they've liked his bat for a long time, and their mindset was this was the last chance they had to go get dominic Canzone before he absolutely exploded, and basically would take a king's ransom to trade four down the road. They thought this was their last chance to get him before he absolutely burst onto the scene. So I don't think this is an Abe Toro trade for the Mariners. I think they see this as a guy that could be an impact back. Give him a little time. He's had fifteen big league games, but I think this is a guy they really believe in in part of their future core. 00:10:49 Speaker 1: I'm shocked that neither of us decided that it was an immediate red flag that he went to a Big ten school. 00:10:57 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:10:57 Speaker 3: We had a take about that for a while, didn't we. He always said, don't draft Big ten players in the MLB draft because who in the world are they playing against? 00:11:05 Speaker 1: Pretty Much, the results speak for themselves, but I think can Zones carved out a bit of a role for himself. Before we go back to analyzing Canzone, I thought it was so funny that so Low and I were in the KP League in twenty eighteen, obviously, and I was like, oh, well, I do remember Dom Canzone. I do remember the team I called games for playing against him multiple times, and I was like, Okay, I'm gonna go back, and I'm to go back and find the games he played in. I was kind of curious. I remember the final game of my first summer there, can Zone had two hits in my team, who was the best team in the league all season against Canzons. Brewster White Caps, who were among the worst teams in the league that year, and then the Brewster and Canzone's team upset the team I called games for, which is very intriguing. Canzone had a couple hits in that game, and so that was a fond memory. But in looking back at that, I went to the wrong year of Brewster and Whitey Red Sox games and I look down at it and I'm like, oh shit, that's Ryan Bliss leading off for Brewster. I had no idea. I totally forgot that he played for Brewster as well. So that really that really brought back some memories. 00:12:16 Speaker 3: We're really right in that window where all those guys we saw in twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen are about at the time where they're going to be getting up to the big leagues. So it's not shocking that we recognize a lot of names that are getting up now because we saw a bunch of these guys. The Cape League features, for those who don't know, the best of the best college players throughout the country that go to Cape cod to play baseball throughout the summer, so we saw a ton of these guys throughout those two summers. So yeah, we saw don Canzone. We saw Ryan Bliss, we saw a bunch of other guys. 00:12:42 Speaker 1: Shit, Tommy Henry on Friday right right at Chase Field. 00:12:49 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean again, we saw Kirby there, we saw Spencer Torkelssen there. I mean, we could rattle off names forever, but it is funny that these guys are going to be playing in Seattle now again. 00:12:59 Speaker 2: I think can Zone. 00:13:00 Speaker 3: Is a guy that could really make some really do some damage down the road. Look at what he did. I mean you talk about even his Triple A time. Look at last year in Double A. He played fifteen games there last year two twenty three WRC plus before he was promoted to Triple A. I mean, and then you look at twenty twenty one when he was in Double A again, one seventy one WRC plus. I mean, this guy had thirty two homers in the miners over the last two years, doesn't strike out a lot. Feels like a guy that could really do some damage. 00:13:33 Speaker 1: I know PCL pitching really isn't great, but it was debt, almost debt even walks in strikeouts. What's really fascinating about his PCL stats it is it's such a hitters league, but We're talking about a guy in a hitters league who led the entire league and average slugging WRC plus ops weighted on base average. And this is all all of these stats while having the fourth lowest strikeout rate in the league. That's absurd. 00:13:59 Speaker 2: Was the number this year. 00:14:00 Speaker 3: One forty nine WRC plus he put up in triple A this year, So that's forty nine percent above league average. We even saw it a little bit during this Diamondbacks Mariners series. Remember those two balls he scorched but they went for nothing. I mean, he was hitting the ball hard in that series. Helly had the game winning hit in Game two. He had that little C and I single up the middle against Muno's which, by the way, I'd like to protest that now that he's on the Mariners, they should actually get that game back. 00:14:27 Speaker 2: I'm just going to throw that out there the Mariners. 00:14:29 Speaker 1: Actually, I'm doubt that it might negate it though that Paul Seawell pitched in some of the couple of those games too. 00:14:35 Speaker 3: Oh that's true. Okay, So forget I said that. It's hard not to be excited about It's hard not to be excited about what can Zone could do again? 00:14:43 Speaker 2: The club control. 00:14:44 Speaker 3: I think is what the kicker in this deal was the fact that Josh Rojas is not a free agent until after twenty twenty six, So you get three and a half years with him. If he goes back to being the player that he was last year, that is a guy that will be valuable for the Mariners. If he goes back to being a two to three win player, that is a guy that's going to contribute. If he's not, it doesn't really matter if you let him go or send him down. And can Zone's clock has not even started, so you're talking about twenty four, twenty five, twenty six, twenty seven, twenty eight, and twenty nine, you're talking about six and a half years of don Canzone. So for a guy that had a year and a half left in Paul Seawald again, it is really crushing to see him go. I was really devastated to see that he was getting traded away yesterday. But when you look at the full perspective of it, it makes sense. It makes sense that you are buying bats that can help this team in an area where they have struggled. They do not have enough offense, they do not have enough left handed production. 00:15:38 Speaker 2: I get it. 00:15:40 Speaker 1: I'll save my I would say my comments on seawalled in the process of trading him, I would say, let's let's finish out this return first. So Josh Rojas had a three win season last year. He's twenty nine, He's got decent control of the strike zone. I think his biggest problem is he really just doesn't hit the ball hard enough. He does play quite a few positions overall. Defensively, he's a pretty clear net negative on the infield. First career negative twenty two defensive run saved, but he is plus ten excuse me, defensive run saved in the outfield, in the corners, and outside of this season. He's walked over ten percent of the time in each one of his big league seasons. So there's a bit of a of a Jerry Mold here, an older utility player with three years of control. After this season, and I'm guessing they assume that he's gonna look a little bit more like the player he was last year when he was worth three wins post of the season, or the player that he is this year when he's not worth three wins. 00:16:42 Speaker 3: He has a good arm too, for whatever it's worth. I mean he's in the sixtieth to eightieth percentile in terms of arm strength. It's ranged from year to year. That's a little bit different than Colton Wong's first percentile arm strength, which we've talked about throughout the year. We figured out he doesn't have a good arm. Doesn't matter he's playing second base, No, that's difference on double plays. So even if for the most part he plays outfield, which where he is better, if he's in the infield, you at least know you're gonna get a guy with an arm. So between that, between his ability to hit right handed pitching, which he does do by the way, left handed bat that hits right, he's pretty well at least if you look back at last year. I think this is a net positive too. When you look at what you got from Colton Wong and aj Pollock in the outfield, paired with what Rojas could do at each of those positions, I think it's a win. 00:17:30 Speaker 1: It can't be worse than it was. 00:17:32 Speaker 2: Right. That's exactly right. 00:17:35 Speaker 1: Right, And I would say that's kind of where we're at with Josh Rojas. I kind of feel like, even though Rojas is the most established big leaguer he was a throw in in this trade. That's what I think, because if we get to Ryan Bliss, who's the third member in the minor league part of this trade, he just got done putting fire to the Texas League. I mean, this, dude, but let's just shed some background. He is five to six what is he? Wagh one sixty five, five six one sixty five out of Auburn teammate of of Matt Scheffler by the way front of the pot. And here here's some some double A numbers from our five six, one hundred and sixty five pound friend. Does this sound like someone who's that small? Three point fifty eight four fourteen five ninety four, one sixty two WRC plus eight percent walk rate. He was second across the board in hitting hitting statistics behind Kobe Meyo at double A. That's that's pretty absurd as a second baseman. 00:18:36 Speaker 3: And he doesn't strike out much. I mean, does that sound like Jose Altuve? 00:18:40 Speaker 1: It does, Yes, it does. I didn't want to. I didn't want to be the one to make such a bold assertion, but yeah, it does. Yes, it does. Can we put him next to each other? 00:18:50 Speaker 2: Please? 00:18:50 Speaker 1: I need that visual? 00:18:53 Speaker 2: Yeah, it might be a. 00:18:53 Speaker 3: Little bit better than the Aaron Judge Jose al Tuove visual. 00:18:57 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it'll be a little more fair to both parties. 00:19:01 Speaker 3: We're not saying Bliss is going to turn into al Tuove, but we are saying there's something to like here when he gets up to the big leagues. I don't know, maybe it'll be at some point next year. I would assume he spends the rest of the year in Tacoma because he was in Triple A at the time of the trade. He's only played a couple handfuls of games down in Triple A so far. But again, this team needs help at second base. They have had issues with it since Robbie Cano left the team. It didn't work with Adam Frasier, it didn't work with Colton Wong. They're going to try to figure it out now. You would hope between either Rojas and his ability to play a lot of different spots, between Cabiro, between Dylan Moore, and between eventually Ryan Bliss, somebody can stick there. That is your hope, and from what Bliss has done so far in the minors, we don't know if it's gonna work for certain or not, but it's hard to not be at least intrigued. 00:19:50 Speaker 1: Did you see that home run the dude hit on Sunday? 00:19:53 Speaker 2: Oh it was crushed. 00:19:55 Speaker 1: Yeah, four hundred and fifty four feet to dead center field, like dead center, like opposite, like center left center. I think against Oklahoma City, and it might have been in Oklahoma City. I can't exactly remember. But it's crazy for someone of his stature to have that kind of power. That's that's pretty crazy. I know the pcl is makes could make me and you both look like good hitters, but that ball did was punched. It was absolutely punched. What's really fascinating about Bliss if you go back to last year, he sucked like he was bad in high A. He was really really struggling and made I think he made some adjustments to get a little bit shorter to the ball. This year. Was reading some analysis I think was from Sam Dykstra. I think, don't don't hold me to that. Yes, it was Sam Dykstra who was noting kind of some of the adjustments he made in the off season and came out and turned himself into a quality prospect. So I'm intrigued him excited. I'm gonna imagine he'll see the big leagues at sometime next season, and if he continues to hit in the PCL. He's off to a bit of a slower start in the PCL as expected, But if he turns around and starts hitting PCL pitching, he's gonna see some time at second next year. 00:21:09 Speaker 3: Let's be clear, the headline of this trade is Canzone. Like we just highlighted each of the three guys you mentioned, you don't think Rojas is the guy that headlines the trade. Maybe he's more of a throw in the headliner's Canzone. If Dominic Canzone turns into a productive ballplayer and a good hitter, that's a win for the Maritors because that is the guy they are banking on to make this trade work. 00:21:30 Speaker 1: I have one more note here on Ryan Bliss. I want to shout out Joe Doyle. I mean talk about something aging like fine wine. Joe Doyle had a tweet in twenty twenty one. April thirtyeth twenty twenty one, when Bliss was still at Auburn. He tweeted, I believe this is a home run from Bliss and says someone is going to draft Ryan Bliss in the second round. He was a second round pick and have a top ten second baseman for the next decade. Pin tweet. Mariners get to find out if that's actually true or not. 00:22:04 Speaker 3: I didn't see Joe tweet that. Wow, that's wild. 00:22:07 Speaker 1: I did do that. And then there's another one. There's another tweet which is which is even funnier DejaVu. Ryan Bliss responding to the Mariners December tenth, twenty fourteen. The m social media took a picture of t mobile or then Safeco Field lit up at night like a like a Christmas tree, and Bliss responds to it and says, my dream at Mariners at MLB, my dream one day plain emoji, baseball emoji. So it's speaking, it's speaking, we're speaking wishes into existence. 00:22:43 Speaker 3: That tweet I did see. I didn't see Joe's tweet about Bliss from two years ago, but that's pretty wild. Listen, if Ryan Bliss wants to be a top ten second baseman, you're not gonna hear a single Mariners fan say a single word otherwise like you are more than welcome to do so. 00:22:58 Speaker 2: Is what we're getting. 00:22:59 Speaker 5: At this fall. Stream your favorites and discover more with Disney Plus, Hulu and ESPN Plus together, watch the highly anticipated new season of Loki and see the ghost materialize in Haunted Mansion on Disney Plus. Catch more frights with the Boogeyman, an American horror story delegate, on Hulu and on ESPN Plus. Get into the action with college football and NFL. All of these and more streaming now. Get the Disney Bundle with plans starting at nine to ninety nine a month, plans with ESPN Plus starting at fourteen ninety nine a month. Terms apply. See Diisney Bundle dot com for details. 00:23:43 Speaker 1: Okay, so let's get to the painful part of this trade. Paul Seawald. I gotta say I appreciate Paul Sewald so much for what he did for the Mariners the last two and a half seasons. That guy who signed as a minor league free agent couldn't have been a more valuable piece to this Mariner's roster, and still I personally believe would have been a valuable piece this year and next year. Sad to see him go, very sad to see him go, but very happy he's going to get an opportunity in Arizona. And yeah, it's it was tough for me to see this yesterday. It really was. And I think it's interesting for the Mariners because I put it to you, as I said before we started recording, despite everything we just highlighted with these minor leaguers, I don't see how this trade makes the Mariners better this year or next year. Unless Tom Canzone is like a borderline All Star, I don't really see it. 00:24:47 Speaker 3: I think they just feel like they need offense. I don't know if I totally agree with that. I mean, I agree that Paul Sewall of course would have continued to help the team. But I think they look at what their needs are now and going forward, and they said, do we have a better chance to develop a bat in the meantime or to find a couple more effective relievers. You look at the pipeline. There are not hitters coming up the ranks outside of Harry Ford in the next couple of years. We talked about that during the draft, this wave of Mariners that's gonna be the next group that gets up to the big leagues. There are a long ways out. 00:25:23 Speaker 2: Again. 00:25:23 Speaker 3: We've talked about the Cole Young's, the Colt Emerson's, felnin cellist and Lazaro montes Et cetera. Those guys are a long way away, and the core that's up in the big leagues now that wave's already here, there's not much in the middle. I think they believe that they have to go get bats that are gonna help now and are club controllable and bank on the fact that they can continue to do what they've always done over the last three years and just pump out relievers. 00:25:50 Speaker 1: And that's gonna be get put to the test, because outside of Andre s Munoz, they have not replicated the success they've had with Paul Seawald. So Paul, it just makes you real how unique of a baseball player Paul Sewald was from being a minor league free agent and his arm slot and not throwing upper nineties and still being as effective as ever. So the only other guy in the Jerry Depoto era who they've managed to get close to the level of Paul Seawald is Andres Munos, and he throws one hundred and one miles an hour. So that's where you think it's like, Okay, that now is time to step up and really put that to the test. 00:26:27 Speaker 2: Let's throw Edwin Diaz in there too. 00:26:30 Speaker 1: That's that is true that he was pretty good. Yeah, but another guy who also throws one hundred and one miles an hour. I'm more thinking sort of in the in the sea walled role because we can say like Munnos and Diez have electric like have absolutely electric stuff and both throw insanely hard, which makes it a little bit easier to develop. 00:26:53 Speaker 2: That's true. 00:26:53 Speaker 3: They have not found many guys like Seawald that throw ninety to ninety three enter that effective. I think Penn Murphy was really good last year. I thought he was good this year before he got injured, but he's going to be out a while. I think they've found relievers that. 00:27:07 Speaker 2: Have been good. 00:27:08 Speaker 3: You've seen guys like Topa that just rely on soft contact and it's work for him. Gabe Spyer gets a ton of guys to chase from the left side, that's work for him. You've seen some of these young guys in spurts. I would assume that they're going to bank on these guys to continue to develop if they're okay with trading Seawald away. I would think they're going to rely on Isaiah Campbell. We saw him in the ninth on Monday. I think they're going to bring prelander Baroa back up here in the near future, because I think that is a guy they value and think could be a back end bullpen arm long term. We'll see if they continue to pitch Devin Sweet at all, and we know that change up is good when it's on. I think that's what they're going with here. I think they're relying on those guys more. But you are right in terms of Paul Seawald's production, paired with not having triple digit stuff, they have not found replications of that. 00:28:00 Speaker 1: And now is where I think this is a good transition to our next storyline, because I think this kind of bleeds in to that. And we sit here and we think, okay, so thinking in terms of now next season, because we look at what the Mariners did at the deadline, and they essentially they retooled. They did, but they did sell off a major league quality piece in returns for unproven major league quality pieces for the most part for next year. And it raises the question of if we're thinking about next year now with this trade deadline, because that's what it seems like this deadline was aimed towards. Why do we think they did not do anything else? 00:28:38 Speaker 3: I don't think the value was there for ta Oscar Hernandez. You're talking about getting better for this year and next year or lack thereof, which you feel like may have happened with this trade because they didn't get big league talent ready now. But what are they going to get for ti Oscar that's going to do that in the next year and a half. I think what we saw was the value wasn't there. They might have gotten some mind league that maybe he'd pan out long term, maybe he wouldn't, but tay Oscar has much two months left on his contract, he's striking out a ton, he has had a down year, and he's a free agent. I just don't think you were gonna get that much back for him. It was gonna be nothing like the Seawald return. 00:29:17 Speaker 1: They think that the value of him turning down a qualifying offer and getting a draft pick would instead be better. I'm guessing right the way I think about this, though, with without any other pieces being sold off the roster. They sold Seawald because it was a seller's market. Teams were desperately overpaying for some of these players that we saw go on the deadline, But so the Seawall trade happens, and I then am expecting something else, because if it's really that fruitful for sellers, then they would they would spring something else. Now, you know, teams don't have to pay for a player significantly underperforming like ta Oscar Hernandez. But I did think it was curious that the approach for Paul Seawold was, Oh, it's a seller's market. We can get a lot for him, despite what the ramifications might be for our pitching staff next year, opposed to what they believe in for this roster next year. What this tells me that despite Taoscar Hernandez not getting traded, that they probably do see as at least for at least right now, they do see guys like Suarez and ty France on this roster next year, at least right now. This deadline told us that. 00:30:36 Speaker 2: Correct. 00:30:36 Speaker 3: And you didn't even mention the possibility of does ta Oscar Hernandez take a qualifying offer. I think that's possible after the year he just had, if he gets eighteen million bucks to stick in Seattle another year, I think him and his agent would consider that. I also think that, again, I just can't stress this enough. I don't think what they were getting back was going to help them win anytime soon. For Taoscar Hernandez. I think ta Oscar himself, could we talked about on the last show. I still think ta Oscar long term could turn this thing around and be of significant value to this team. I think he's just having a very down year. I don't see why he can't turn it around next year. I don't see why the Mariners couldn't bring him back on some club friendly deal or qualifying offer. I think that between being three and a half out of the last Wildcard, four and a half out of the Al West, and what the market was telling them Taioscar Hernandez was worth or ty France was worth, they. 00:31:27 Speaker 2: Didn't do it. 00:31:28 Speaker 3: They said, you know what, we're not just selling off to get prospects. If we think that we are not getting bad guys that are going to help us in the near future, then we're not going to just trade these guys away. I know you feel like trading Seawald was essentially giving up this year and next year, or not giving up, but like you're not getting the roster better by acquiring Canzone and Rojas and Bliss. I think the Mariners feel like those guys could help sooner or later, especially with Canzone being on the older side. I don't think what they were getting offered for France or Tao, Oscar or Gino whoever else was gonna do that well. 00:32:02 Speaker 1: The thing hinges on Canzone hitting, and if Canzone next year, in his first full big league season, is a league average hitter, then you aren't getting much better because you already have those guys in your system. You already have a Cade Marlow, and you already have other guys, maybe a Zach DeLoach who you feel I could give you the same level of production. I think the Mariners expect more out of Dom Canzone, but we haven't obviously seen the results yet because he has not played that many major league games. This is sort of a wait and see experiment. I just I expected more of this deadline to gear up towards next season, at least from the Paul SeaWorld angle, and I don't think I really saw it. I don't think so, which means the softseason, as we keep saying, is going to be quite quite important. So I don't know. I just I was expecting more. I would say I was expecting more after Seawald. 00:32:58 Speaker 3: That's fine, But if you're not getting big league talent back for ta Oscar or Tie or Gino, do you really want to trade them? 00:33:06 Speaker 1: Probably not. I'm just I'm not totally high on ty France at the moment, But the league also might not have been high on ty France, so you wouldn't you wouldn't have gotten anything. It just kind of it just kind of leaves you in this odd spot that if they're these guys value does not go up in the off season, well then they're gonna be on your roster next year. And there's no guarantee these guys get better next year. They're all just going to be a year older, right, So that's something you have to to take into consideration. Where this it keeps getting labeled the time where players are available for you to bolster your roster and get better or at the trade deadline and in the off season. Well we just passed the trade deadline, so your next option to implement something on this roster would be in the off season. And if you can't do that and the values not really high enough, and then you're just I would say, stuck with a ty France or Aohenio Suarez. As they age another year now year, and you're not loving the production they bring out, then you're kind of screwed, right. 00:34:07 Speaker 3: Sure, But again, if you're getting minor leaguers back for them, it still doesn't make any sense to trade them. It makes more sense to roll with the dice that those guys can continue to do something at the big league level to help the team. Also, I'm gonna be honest about Gino. I know, when our first half report cards came out, we gave him a bit of a hard grade because of how tough he'd had, how tough it had been for him offensively at the plate. He's still on pays for about a two win season. If he puts up a two win season at third base, that's still a valuable third basement. It's not an all star third basement or the four win year he had last year, but it is something didn't lose the team. 00:34:42 Speaker 1: Games it is. I guess I'm gonna wait and see moment with this, I will say I think That's where I'm at. 00:34:49 Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I just think if you're not gonna get big league talent back for those guys, it's not worth it to deal them and speaking of that, I'm not saying this was the Mariner's motive, but we you have tied back to this very story many many times over the last six months, and I think it's gonna continue to be relevant. I'm not saying this was the Mariner's motive, but if you want a sales pitch, show Heyo Tani in the Winner, and he just saw your team that was three and a half games out of a wildcard spot. Hypothetically trade Seawald, trade te Oscar, trade Geno, trade type France. Is he really gonna look at this place and say, man, those guys really want to win. Those guys that are just trading off big league talent left and right. 00:35:29 Speaker 1: Is he gonna say that for watching them trade Paul Seawold three and a half games out of a wildcard spot. 00:35:35 Speaker 3: I think it's a little different to trade one reliever than if they trade three bats on top of it. 00:35:42 Speaker 1: That's you're right, You're right about the bats, but it's it's not like anything they did at the deadline is selling show Heyo Tani. Nothing they did on this deadline is doing that. 00:35:53 Speaker 3: It's a net negative, or it's not a it's a net zero, say it's a net zero. I would say, however, if they had gone and traded all those bats, it does go into the negative. 00:36:06 Speaker 1: That's true. It'll be interesting to see how this. Yeah, it'll be interesting to see. 00:36:11 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's just another thought that came to mind. 00:36:14 Speaker 2: I'm not saying that was the. 00:36:15 Speaker 3: Mariner's motive, but I do think that just domino effect down the road. If they had done that, it may have paid, it may have been consequential. I do want to give a shout out, by the way, speaking of Otani, to Zach Anders, who's listener of the show DMed us on social media. Remember a couple of weeks ago and we said, hey, if anybody out there knows who started those, come to Seattle chance for Otani. Can you DM us or just let us know who you are? And we got a DM. We didn't check it for a while because I guess they were hidden, but we saw this DM from him and said, hey, just so you know, like that was me that started those chants. So I was like, oh, are you serious. He's like yeah, Like we got everybody rallied around it. We saw that Otani was kind of foot one foot in, one foot out of Oh maybe I'd consider Seattle. So we got the chance going at the All Star Game, and all of a sudden it wins stadium wide and nationwide. So shout out to you, Zak, because he put Seattle on the map. 00:37:10 Speaker 1: Let's go thank you. Yeah, thanks for reaching out, Zach. We will try and be better about responding to dms. That's a that's an inexperienced factor in our part. But anyone, if you guys have questions about anything, really, please don't hesitate. We will see them. I promise we will see them. So will we respond maybe, but we will see them. So if you have anything you would like to contribute, please don't hesitate. 00:37:35 Speaker 2: If it's a good question, we will certainly respond. 00:37:37 Speaker 3: And also if you have question if you have questions, do you want us to ask players? 00:37:41 Speaker 2: We've talked about that, we'll respond to those for sure. 00:37:43 Speaker 3: If somebody sent us a DM giving us a couple of ideas for questions they might want to hear players get asked, and we told them, oh, yeah, those are good ideas, we'll definitely try and do them. 00:37:50 Speaker 2: So, yeah, don't hesitate. Shout out to Zach. 00:37:53 Speaker 3: I will say he lives overseas because I said to him you've got to bring this back in September that I would, but I'm gonna be overseas when the Angels are in town, so I won't be back till the holidays around December. That got me thinking I may have to take matters into my own hands. In our own hands here, we may have to do some real promotion that week. I've been thinking I'm going to circle back to this more when it gets closer, But I think I might show up the games and start like handing people note cards about make sure you're or not no cards, but like what are you. 00:38:26 Speaker 1: Not even flyers? 00:38:27 Speaker 3: Like like like like a little tiny hend. 00:38:31 Speaker 1: I remember whensess card. 00:38:34 Speaker 3: I don't know why I'm blanking on the name right now, but yeah, it's something like a business card or something along that size to tell people you are chanting for shoheo tny to come to Seattle every single at that when the Angels are in town. Because he noticed it once. Now imagine if you do it ten times throughout. 00:38:49 Speaker 1: A series, I may, yeah, he'd notice. 00:38:54 Speaker 3: I may take matters into my own hands with that, because listen, I'm not saying we have a huge voice now, but we do have some voice from the people we reach on social media. So if I can go around to people and get flyers out and get people chanting during that series, fans are trying to do everything they can to get them here, I'll play my part. 00:39:15 Speaker 1: Let's just do some house cleaning here before we close out our Mariner's storylines, Lyle, I forgot to load up the violin music into our media bank, or the sad violin music they played on the Titanic as it was sinking. But I thought that kind of music would have been proper as the final two days of Aj Pollock and Colton Wong on this roster have finally concluded. 00:39:39 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was an experience. 00:39:43 Speaker 1: The Giants traded for Aj Pollock. That's how it was worded online, So that's what I'm taking it as. 00:39:51 Speaker 2: They did. Now. 00:39:52 Speaker 3: They gave up cash considerations in return, but they did trade for him. Sounds fun to me. I do wonder what the Giants think they're getting value eiseed out of him. Just objectively, he's injured right now, and he hasn't exactly looked like he's entered the Fountain of Youth this year. 00:40:10 Speaker 1: Maybe they were a big fan of Mark Matthias. 00:40:13 Speaker 3: Oh, that's possible. Yeah, we should add that. That was the other part of the trade. The Mariners sent minor league infielder Mark Matthias over to the Giants who was down in Triple A. It's not like he was lighting it up or anything. He was fine, but maybe the Giants. 00:40:26 Speaker 1: Like him and Coltonwong on Hug Watch today in the Mariners clubhouse. From everything we could tell, Colton Wong was very much liked in the Mariners clubhouse. Just the production on the field was just atrocious. So Coltwong was DFA today, along with a handful of other moves. Can Zone and Rojas activated onto the roster. Taylor Tremmell also sent down. I've got to feel like Tremmel might be a little frustrated at that this point, getting up on the Mariners rosters. He's sent back to Tacoma again on what seems like this never ending seesaw for him. 00:41:01 Speaker 3: I agree, it's just been hard and it's too bad because he had such a good spring before he got hurt. You figured maybe this was the year he was going to turn it around, and it just hasn't happened. I would be frustrated if I was Tremmell, and I get it. It's a tough life. It's a tough light being one of those Quad A guys. You don't know what your role is. You just want an opportunity. So you do feel for him, But you probably knew it was happening with the camzone move that you had to clear up a roster spot. They added Trent Thornton too. I mean one ten got up for a day on Monday and now he's been sent back down for Thornton, who again we talked about in our last show. That guy has some ridiculous stuff. Maybe he provides some value for the Mariners. 00:41:37 Speaker 1: Bullpen's got to put it in the strike zone. We'll see. I'm curious what their playing is with him and where they deploy. It probably have to be a blowout, but I'd be intrigued if he's pitching tonight. I'll turn it on. I'll make sure to pay attention. I'll lastly, well just sorry, go ahead. 00:41:52 Speaker 2: Do you want are you're not going to have the game on anyway? 00:41:55 Speaker 1: I will. I have to work tonight, so I only have so many focuses, only can focus so much on on so many things at one time. Especially if I have to edit this show too. So we got to we got a balance. I don't want to I wouldn't want to send myself crazy, but i'll uh, I'll do my best. Last housekeeping note, Lyle, I know you were jumping up and down with the Mariners acquired. Did it make a trade today? They acquired Eduardo Bizardo from Baltimore. He was deafade earlier this season, I think less earlier this week. 00:42:26 Speaker 3: He'll just be in Triple A. He's had a little bit of a big league time. He hasn't really lit the world on fire when he's been in the big league, I'm sure now, especially with Thornton going up. See, while getting traded, they just wanted another depth bullpen arm. So this is what they landed on. I mean, it's probably similar to how they got Zach Muckinheern and now he's down in Triple A. They gave up Logan reyin Hardt as a result, who I think has decent stuff, but he hasn't exactly had the production that the Mariners were looking for in his time in the minors, so they parted ways with him to go get Bizarto. 00:42:54 Speaker 2: We'll see what he does. In Tacoma. 00:42:57 Speaker 1: All right, let's get to our MLB wrap around. We got a lot to cover here in this wrap round. Well, there wasn't that one Marquy moved. There were some pretty busy teams. Let's start off with the Texas Rangers. Everything is indeed bigger in Texas. The Rangers go out and they really go grab some key pieces for their playoff run. They got Jordan Montgomery from the Cardinals. They got Chris Stratton from the Cardinals as well. He'll go in the bullpen. And then the Rangers go out and they get Max Schurzer. And I'm thinking about this because we'll touch on the other trade here a little bit later in the wrap round. But the Al West is now in its current state, a healthy de Gram away from having the mount rushmore of twenty ten's arms in it. At the same time, Sans Kershaw. 00:43:50 Speaker 3: I was gonna say, Okay, they've got three of the four. But I was gonna say de Gram, Surer Verlander, who's the last one? Yeah, Kershaw, Yeah, okay. Am I gonna have to be the one to say it. Am I gonna be the one that has to puff my chest out and say what I have to say about Max Schurzer. 00:44:09 Speaker 1: You can. I don't know how much. I don't know how much pushback you'll get for me. I kind of agree with you, but I'll let you. I'll let you say it. 00:44:18 Speaker 2: He really hasn't been very good this year. 00:44:21 Speaker 3: I know this trade made waves because Max Scherzer is a slam dunk first ballot, future Hall of Famer, probably a slam dunk as it gets. He has had an unbelievable career. He was unbelievable last year, even with the Mets just one season ago. We're seeing father time now catch up to him. His fips at four seventy two, his eras above four, his walk rates up, his peripherals are all trending in the wrong direction, and he's got less than a full war to his name this season. I know this trade made headlines because it's Max Scherzer, and maybe the Rangers see this as he has postseason experience. He is a well established veteran. He could really help the young guys on this team for a little bit. But in terms of what you're getting from Max Showzer, I don't see it. I think he's now caught up with fathers or father time has caught up with him and he's just going the wrong way. 00:45:14 Speaker 1: Now, it's entirely possible he could empty the gas tank for the final two months of the season and have a little bit more motivation now that he's on a winning team opposed to the Mets. But his strikeout rate is also near the lowest it's been since twenty eleven. His velocity is also near the lowest of his career. It's just not something that mixed as well with giving up legally and out leading twenty three home runs. Very curious. I do think this does make the Rangers better they did have. They have had some instability in their rotation with Evaldi going on the injured list with a forearm. Straine is supposed to be back, but he's kind of fallen off here in the second half as his innings have really piled up. And there's one thing we know, and Max Suers is pretty durable. He'll go out there and toss a bunch of innings. Now the question is whether those innings are going to be really quality or not. So I think that's curious. They didn't have to give up Ronald Acunya's brother, Louis Angel Acunya that is it Luis on Hell or Louise Angel. 00:46:11 Speaker 2: There you go second time on Hell or Angel on Hell, Louise on Hellacunya Okay. 00:46:18 Speaker 1: Cool, glad, I got that right. Who's a top one hundred prospect. He's number forty four on pipeline and he's done very, very very well in Double A this year. He's got what forty stolen bases? Yeah, he's he's a stud. So the Mets essentially, which I think is fascinating in this retrospect. We saw this again with their Verlander trade, which we'll touch on. They're at the point where instead of Steve Cohen is buying big leaguers, he is buying prospects instead. 00:46:46 Speaker 3: They went all in this year. It makes it almost reminds me of twenty fifteen a j Preller and the Padres where they went all in that one year when they went and traded for James Shields, traded for Justin Often, traded for Craig Kimberrell, all those guys, and that didn't work and they sold everybody off. It's basically what the Mets did this year. They went for it, but now they're selling everybody off, and now they're getting prospects back. We'll touch on some of the other prospects they got here in a minute. But they're going to retool, and from what Billy Eppler told, Max Schers are their window and goal is now twenty twenty five or twenty twenty six to begin competing again. So they're trying to get back what they can. I don't know if this helps the Rangers or not. I don't know if Max schers is really going to be any good again. It's gonna make headlines, but I am in wait and see mode with what Max Scherzer does down in Arlington. 00:47:36 Speaker 1: So Jordan Montgomery, I would say, is not going to move the needle for you either. 00:47:41 Speaker 3: This one actually does a little bit more. And Jordan Montgomery's not a guy that strikes a bunch of guys out. He's not a guy that has great peripherals, but he gets a ton of ground balls. He has had a great year by the numbers this year. He doesn't give up home runs, he doesn't walk many guys. I think he does provide some stability for the Rangers in that rotation to the range credit they're actually sixth in baseball and starters the era even with all the problems they've had with Avoldi going down, obviously, de Gram's out until twenty twenty five. Martin Perez has not had a good year. They've still fared well among their rotation. But they make it even better with if Schuzer can find anything in the tank, and with adding Montgomery. 00:48:21 Speaker 1: For two months and another piece that was really key to them, because the weakness for the Rangers at times has been their bullpen. But they trade for they. In this Montgomery trade, they get Chris Stratton as well, who's again had a fine years expected the Rays a little bit below his actual eras expected the ares round three to eight. But the dude spins the ball. The spins the ball quite well, both fastball and curveball spin, which is very important for success. And I think that's a that's an underrated piece for the Rangers, really loading up with the with that bullpen. Both those guys are rentals, and this is really truly a push for all in this year. I will note that Max Suers are as part of the trade. A had to wave his no trade clause to go to the Rangers, and he also had to opt into next year, where I still believe the Mets are going to be paying a majority of his salary opposed to the Rangers. When I talk about buying prospects, that's what I mean. The Mets are going to be paying sures are more than the Rangers will. But I think that's kind of interesting. So the Rangers really adding some things to their pitching staff here in this deadline to try and go after it. On the other side, the other Texas team went after the other old Mets starter. Justin Verlander is now back in Houston, and again the Mets are going to be paying a majority of his contract for him to go to Houston and get some better prospects back. 00:49:46 Speaker 3: Do you think Justin Verlander ever sold his house in Houston. 00:49:51 Speaker 1: That's a good question. Maybe not. He has enough money. I mean, he can own as many as he wants. 00:49:58 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, that entire family as a whole, for sure. There's a lot of money in that household. 00:50:04 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, maybe Kate stayed there while he went to New York. Well, actually know now, Kate was probably in New York. Who am I kidding? 00:50:12 Speaker 3: Point being though, if they did sell their house, it's kind of a shame because six months later you're right back in Houston. Now, Verlander, to his credit, has actually not fallen off despite being forty and a whole year older than Max Schurz there is, He's still putting together a good year despite missing the first month of the season. Three fifteen ERA XCRA is only about three twenty nine. Houston's a team that they're third in starters ERA and they've had their issues too with their rotation, right, I mean, you lose Luis Garcia, Christian Hobbier hasn't quite had the year you wanted him to have. But all of a sudden, they're bulking up that rotation again. It's gonna be Verlander, it's gonna be Framber, it's gonna be Hunter Brown. 00:50:50 Speaker 2: It's a good rotation. 00:50:52 Speaker 1: Yeah. Throw JP Frantz in there as well. He's had a solid season and Rakkeetes also missed a bunch of times this season. Believe he also had surgery. But besides his across the board, the numbers for Verlander are good. The expected numbers don't love him as much because he's not striking out as many batters. His strikeout rate is down to twenty one percent this season. If you remember in his prime, when he's at Houston. He was living above thirty four percent for the strikeout rate, So it isn't going to be quite the same Verlander that the Astros got when he was in his mid thirties. But this is going to be a good piece to their rotation, which, if they stay healthy the rest of the year, this is a really, really, really good starting five and they make the playoffs. I'm not really sure who they're leaving out of the playoff rotation. I mean, they got a really really solid group of starters, and that depth is not quite what it was last year, but it'll still be pretty good and it matches up very well with the Rangers, who they're going to be going against for this division title. 00:51:48 Speaker 3: They'll cross that bridge when they get to it, because that's a good problem to have if you're the Astros and you can't decide who to leave out of your starting rotation. They're not quite right back where they were a year ago. The Rangers are still in lead of this division, but the Astros are gearing up for another run. It's very very clear, and the fact Verlander hasn't fallen off yet is a huge, huge deal. Obviously, the Astros don't make this trade if they think he'd fallen off by now, but he just continues to defy father time. 00:52:17 Speaker 2: And it's pretty remarkable. 00:52:19 Speaker 1: How much did your heart jump when you saw that Logan Gilbert was for a second going back to the Mets. 00:52:26 Speaker 2: Not at all, you know what. 00:52:28 Speaker 3: I'm gonna save my thoughts on that for I'll put it later in the show. But you know what, I didn't buy it one second. The guys they actually got back Drew Gilbert and Ryan Clifford. Those are the Astros number one and four prospects, are both outfielders. So the Mets again got a good return back for Verlander. I mean Drew Gilbert. That was their first rounder last year, number one prospect in the ORG. 00:52:51 Speaker 1: I think that's a favorite non Mariner prospect. 00:52:55 Speaker 3: Oh, we love him. Our same friend that hates analytics. No, what am I kidding? He hates life. What are we talking about? He hates everything so and basically anything that's fun. So last year, when Tennessee was really good and nearly made the College World Series, they lost in a Super regional. If you watch college baseball, you remember that Tennessee team. They were loud, they were fiery, they were cocky, they were confident everything, and Drew Gilbert probably led that charge. I mean, that guy was a firecracker, and that's why he's our favorite prospect. We have a friend that despises him and despises that whole Tennessee team. And as you know from listening to us, you know TJ and I are pro grow the game, have fun, basically do whatever you want that doesn't involve like hurting other players. 00:53:42 Speaker 1: And he's been he was pretty good as an astro, and I think the Mets did very well with him first round pick last year, twenty eighth overall, and they're also getting back Ryan Clifford as well in eleventh round pick last year. He just turned twenty, but he again is just tearing up the minor league. So I really think the Mets, for as toploaded as their I would say organization was, with all these old stars, they've made up pretty well at this deadline to get significantly younger, but not really cap themselves on upside either. A couple other trades that we can touch on here with the deadline, Michael Lorenzen gets traded to the Phillies and All Star this year for the Tigers and the Phillies, they're in near and playoff position, and they can add to the rotation which is already near top ten unit, but they can make it a little better with Lorenzo, who's having a career year. 00:54:27 Speaker 3: This year, made an All Star Game. Numbers wise, is having his best year ERA is about three to five eight. 00:54:35 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:54:35 Speaker 3: Look, the Phillies are another team that's boosting up this rotation. You have Nola, you have Zach Wheeler, now you have Lorenze, Taiwan Walker. We saw what the Phillies last year, even though they got to the World Series, what kind of was there Achilles Hill, They didn't quite have enough effect at starting pitching. It's deeper now, especially that you add Lorenzen. Now he's only a rental, he's got two months left, but you're hoping you can milk the remainder of what you hope to be twenty twenty three career year for him continued and he just pitches well over the next couple of months for the Phillies. Because he's been really good up to this point, Phillies are buying that he can keep it up. 00:55:12 Speaker 1: Does he slot as their three starter? I would think like over Taiwan or Ranger Suarez, maybe It probably depends. 00:55:19 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he's the number three starter guy. Was an All Star this year. Again, he's been really good. I mean, look at what he's done. I mean as a walk guys this year is walks are actually way down this year, and he's just been simply really effective. Even if a lot of his hard hit numbers are not great, He's gotten outs, gotten into the All Star Game for a reason. Phillies traded for him for a reason. I think they believe he can be really effective the rest of the way and help them make a playoff push. 00:55:45 Speaker 1: Now we think think about the ballpark factor for a second. Lorenzen will go from playing in a colder, cavernous ballpark that is Camerica Park, which is enormous and probably way too big, to going to problem the smallest stadium in baseball. I would say so if I was going to give a tiny bit of caution, that would that would be it right there. 00:56:09 Speaker 3: Along the fact along with the fact that his savant numbers are not great. Again, he does get hit fairly hard. So you're hoping, if you're the Phillies, the curve doesn't flatten out. You're hoping that he just keeps it up the rest of the year and continues his production through August, September, potentially October. But the ballpark, the ballpark factor will be interesting. It will if he starts to get lit up in Philly. Wouldn't be shocking. 00:56:36 Speaker 1: No, it wouldn't be I would say. One of the strangest things I saw today as we close out our MLB wrap around ed WARDO Rodriguez declining to go to the Dodgers from the Tigers declining that, and I was like, wow, someone just like, Okay, Detroit, Michigan, the Tigers, who are not very good this year, you have an option to go to the Dodgers. And Eduardo Rodriguez said, no, I'm good. 00:57:00 Speaker 3: If he's got beef with somebody in the organization. 00:57:02 Speaker 1: I think he said it was family. He wanted to stay it near the East Coast, which which makes sense. But like he he's a he's also a rental So you could just go out to LA and then sign back with an East Coast team in the off season. Doesn't sound too bad. LA in August and September or October sounds better than Detroit. 00:57:22 Speaker 2: Sounds way better than Detroit. 00:57:24 Speaker 1: And if you want to win, yeah, I don't know. I saw some Dodger fans on Twitter though, weren't too happy about that. But no, very interesting. Not used to being told no very often. 00:57:37 Speaker 2: Not to mention that their rotation has stunk this year. 00:57:40 Speaker 3: Between you haven't had Walker Buller all year, Hularyrius has not at a good year. Kershaw has been injured and is still injured. Yeah, it's been tough flooding for him at times this year. You want to get to speak your mind here. 00:57:52 Speaker 1: Let's do it. 00:57:53 Speaker 2: Speak your mind. That would be unwise. What is necessary is never unwise. 00:58:04 Speaker 3: I think there's a couple things we're gonna touch on this week. What is most pressing in your world? 00:58:10 Speaker 1: Let's do a Utopia review. We were excited last to last Friday when we were recorded on Thursday. It had not come out yet Travis Scott's new album, but five years later he did actually drop it on Thursday night Friday morning, wherever you were listening from. I thought we'd give it a review. And I think this is good for speak your mind because I think we have differing opinions on this. 00:58:35 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was sadly kind of underwhelmed by it. I thought it was gonna be great. And I just I'm just kind of listening through and I'm just waiting for it to pick up and pick up, and it just didn't really happen, at least for my earbuds. 00:58:49 Speaker 1: But like, what is great? Like what were you looking for? 00:58:53 Speaker 3: I don't know, a lot of stuff felt really slow. It wasn't like the beat I'm used to him using. I know he kind of tried to tie it back to his really old stuff, but I guess I just prefer as birds in the Trap, punch O Jack Astro World stuff more than what he put out this time. 00:59:09 Speaker 1: He had a Kanye West vibe to it. I thought old school Kanye maybe, but I mean, I know he did have Kanye I think helped produce a couple of those songs, which is where a little bit of that came from. But I thought he did a good job of diversifying. I thought he had some very very good features on there. I loved Sizza on Telekinesis. I thought that was phenomenal. There's some other really good ones. Del Resto with Beyonce was good, Meltdown with Drake was awesome. I don't have the whole feature list on here, but other good songs like Circus Maximus. Thank God. I know, like all all phenomenal works, and they're all very unique. I thought. I honestly I appreciated how different it was because I feel like if we got more of a more so thing, he's already done before. I think people would say, well, this is just kind of repetitive. But you don't want repetitive. You want you want to be fresh. You want to every album you want to have a different tone and taste to it, and that's what he aimed for. I think with this it was different, but it was different in a good way, and I was I was very pleased with it. I thought it was worth the wait. 01:00:20 Speaker 3: I wish it was in my world, I really do. I really wish that I had walked away from it being being of the mindset of this is amazing. 01:00:28 Speaker 1: Was it just not psychedelic enough? 01:00:32 Speaker 3: I guess I just I guess it just I like Travis Scott both for when I say car music, I don't mean relaxing car music. I mean like something you can get excited about along with Jim music, And it just wasn't that in my mind. It just again, I I'm somebody who likes repetition. So if he had repeated what he'd done on his last few albums, I would have been more than happy with it. 01:00:54 Speaker 1: The problem is, though, if he puts out a project like Astra World again, then he's essentially he's not exploring anything new, and then there's no point of doing a new album. 01:01:06 Speaker 2: I guess I'm just sad that. 01:01:07 Speaker 3: I'm sure the next time he puts out an album will be in another five years, so he won't get back to his Astro World sound anytime soon. 01:01:15 Speaker 1: No, and he's probably passed. I would say his peak. You know, usually an app an artist's true peak is usually around what their third or fourth studio album, give or take second third fourth studio album, Like, his peak is probably already passed. So I know that won't make you any happier either. 01:01:33 Speaker 3: No, again, I just wish we'd get more of the albums like the previous three. I'm not saying I didn't like any of the songs on there. It just wasn't exactly my vibe. I guess I was expecting something else and hoping for something else. And I know I'm in the minority here because most people walked away from it saying they loved it. I guess just for what my own taste is. I didn't hate it. There's some songs on there I like. Again, I just kind of shrugged about it. 01:01:55 Speaker 1: Hmm, it's fascinating. Well, you know, sorry you feel that way. I'm gonna continue enjoying it. 01:02:03 Speaker 2: I know that's all you've got because you loved it. 01:02:06 Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought it was great. I'm gonna continue listening to it when I go to work. I'm gonna I'm gonna turn it on in the car and I'm gonna listen to some more because it it really is good. I really, I really like the the old school vibes because, like, I'm a huge Rodeo fan. I thought Rodeo was awesome, and some of the vibes he had in Rodeo, I did hear a little bit of that in this. I think, well, a little bit more drums, a little bit more like rocky like rock vibes with it, And I thought that was I thought that was him exploring his creativity a little bit opposed to just overloading the auto tune. 01:02:37 Speaker 2: Oh. 01:02:37 Speaker 3: I liked Rodeo, but this didn't feel like Rodeo to me. It felt like something totally different than most of his album's period. 01:02:45 Speaker 1: Hm hmm, okay, all right. 01:02:48 Speaker 2: I guess well I agree to disagree. 01:02:49 Speaker 1: I guess yeah, agreed to disagree, just like the Post Malone album too, which I think we also agree to disagree because I liked it. I was listening to it again at the gym today. 01:02:59 Speaker 3: Oh, to be fair, I haven't gotten through that whole one yet. Actually a couple of a couple of the songs on there are pretty good from the couple I've listened to. So that was an early review because I listened to about two of the Post Malone songs as we were just waiting for Travis Scott to drop drop his album on Thursday night, because it took a little longer than after nine o'clock on the dot. But after going back and listening to a little bit moregan, I still to listen to the whole thing through. 01:03:22 Speaker 2: No it's it's pretty good. 01:03:23 Speaker 1: So we get a slot on He earned a slot on the College football ESPN Music so he did. Usually it usually means you have a pretty good song. 01:03:31 Speaker 2: When when that happens, that song was very good. 01:03:35 Speaker 1: Okay, what do you got? 01:03:38 Speaker 3: You talk about loving Travis Scott and I still do you know who I really love though, Bob Nightingale an as fellow, a su alum fellow ASU journalism. 01:03:49 Speaker 2: Alarm. 01:03:49 Speaker 3: Now, Cronkite wasn't there when he was at school. He just went for standard communications journalism when he was at ASU, but he went to which I'm surprised this man isn't plastered throughout the walls of Cronkite. 01:04:06 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm shocked too. Man, what a banger of a tweet today that we scroll past him like, there's no way he just tweeted Logan Gilbert went to the Astros in the Verlander trade. There's no way he actually tweeted that, but he did. I had to make sure it was not an Elon butt it was. It was real, Bob Nightingale. 01:04:24 Speaker 3: No, now you're going Bob Knight and Gale on me. You're saying Logan Gilbert went to the Astros. The tweet was he put out that Logan Gilbert went back to the Mets. 01:04:32 Speaker 1: Oh sorry, I got that mixed up. That. See, Logan Gilbert to the Astros would actually be a nightmare. I'd probably stopped this podcast right now. 01:04:39 Speaker 2: Yeah. See, now you're going Bob Knight and gel on me. 01:04:42 Speaker 1: That's fine. I also went to ASU, so I learned a thing or two from him. 01:04:47 Speaker 3: I know we do have a wide audience on here, so let's just preface us with Bob Nightingale is a national reporter. He breaks a lot of news. He has a lot of Twitter followers. And for those of you who are on Twitter and our our age and are that tuned in on baseball, oh you know Bob Nightingale. But for those who don't, he has become notorious in the last five years or so for just getting everything wrong, between getting names wrong, between getting trades wrong. Remember when he was almost the hero of the lockout and there was that one night where he was tweeting that they are just on the brink of ending the lockout, and then it turned out the next day that he was totally wrong and burned everybody. 01:05:29 Speaker 1: I probably did. If I saw the tweet, I'd remember it. 01:05:33 Speaker 3: He looked like he was gonna be the hero for a second and the guy that was gonna break the news of ending the lockout, and then it turned out the next morning he was totally wrong, and then it went for another week and a half. This guy's gotten so many tweets wrong over the years, it's unbelievable. It's at the point where when he tweets out news, people don't even take him seriously. At this point, they're like, well, I'm gonna wait for somebody else to tweet it because there's a half there's a fifty percent chance this could be wrong. Like and it's become such a joke too. You'll see people every time he gets a tweet wrong now saying, I swear he's doing this on purpose. I swear it's a bit. I swear that he's doing it just for clicks and attention. And you would think that, Like, again, the name is right in front of you for this trade today, when he tweeted about the Justin Verlander trade, the trade is right in front of you. About Drew Gilbert is one of the two prospects going back to the Mets. But no, he tweets Logan Gilbert, and on top of that, he tweets outfielder Logan Gilbert. Like, Logan Gilbert's not an outfielder, duh. As anybody who knows listening to this, But somehow Bob Night and gil didn't know. 01:06:36 Speaker 1: And Loger Gilbert himself said, yeah, I'm not that athletic so no way he can be an outfielder. 01:06:44 Speaker 2: He really is unbelievable. 01:06:47 Speaker 3: Do you think one day he's ever gonna get like a big scoop again? 01:06:50 Speaker 2: And is actually right about it? 01:06:52 Speaker 1: Probably every once in a while, the blind squirrel finds a nut. 01:06:59 Speaker 2: He's rediculous. 01:07:00 Speaker 3: It's always around this time of year when he gets into the headlines again. It's always around this time or during free agency when he just absolutely botches some report and then it turns into the whole baseball Twitter world just dunking on him. 01:07:15 Speaker 1: He's earned it, though, he is. Like if I was a breaking news reporter, I don't know if I would get as many reports wrong. But this is an inside joke that most people who know me would know that. But like, if you let me control a Twitter account with four hundred thousand Twitter followers, I would get roasted quite a lot. O. 01:07:37 Speaker 3: TJ misspells tweets and texts all the time. 01:07:40 Speaker 2: That's the joke. 01:07:41 Speaker 1: Just second nature, Just second nature. I'm missing that chromosome, little peek behind the curtain. 01:07:47 Speaker 2: It is usually me who tweets things out. 01:07:49 Speaker 3: It's not never TJ, but more often than not, it is me who fires tweets off so. 01:07:55 Speaker 1: Good thing, Lyle past is spelling bee. 01:07:58 Speaker 2: Well, if you. 01:07:58 Speaker 3: See any of our tweets out and it's got a misspelling on it, you probably know who to play. You can point to that guy right there who's waving on camera. Watch us on YouTube. With that, I'd say that just about wraps up this edition of the Marine Layer Podcast. You guys know you want to listen to the full form podcast. You can do so on Apple, Spotify, Google, and Amazon. Make sure to follow download our episodes, give us a five star review. The five star reviews really really help, and make sure to go watch us on YouTube too full video podcasts or on YouTube, go like, go, comment, subscribe, turn the notification bells on. We're doing a bunch of show clips now too on YouTube. We're not just posting the full shows, we're posting show clips. So if you don't want to listen to a full hour, there's eight or nine minute segments of some of the meat of the podcast that we'll post on there now as well, So you go check that stuff out. And as always on social media, TikTok, Instagram, Twitter, YouTube shorts at Marine Layer Pod. 01:08:54 Speaker 2: That's TJ. I'm Lyle. 01:08:56 Speaker 3: As always, we thank you guys for tuning in. We'll talk to you soon. 01:09:32 Speaker 1: Y