Episode 6: The Mariners Current Offseason Approach, A Conspiracy For The 2024 Offseason, And Profiling FA DH J.D. Martinez.

00:00:00 Speaker 1: On episode number six of the Marine Layer Podcast with TJ. Matthewson and Lyle Goldstein. Winter meetings are wrapped up. Did the Mariners spend enough? Did they do a good enough job at the winter meetings? We'll dive into that. Our free agent profile of the week is former Red Sox designated hitter JD. Martinez on the market. We missed a flurry of signings last week, so we'll catch up on a couple Sander Bogart's to the Padres, Aaron Judge to the Yankees, and more, and then we'll wrap it up with Speak your Mind. With that, let's get it rolling, and we welcome you into the Marine Layer Podcasts already episode number six here on Tuesday, December thirteenth, Big Dog, Lyle, how are we doing? 00:00:54 Speaker 2: Doing pretty good? It's cold here. How's it feeling in Corvallis. 00:00:57 Speaker 1: I'm freezing, Yeah, I'm freezing. I'm wearing a vet inside. If you're watching on YouTube vest On inside, the heat is on. It's probably gonna be cooking in my room by the time this episode. But by the time we're done with this episode, it'll probably be at least seventy degrees in this room. It's honestly kind of hot when it gets all the way warm. But I think it's okay because now it's honestly a little cold in this room, So it just makes the recording of environment a little bit better. But you know what's been pretty hot this week there lyle the discussion on money and the Mariners. So Winter meetings are over as we sit here again on Tuesday, December thirteenth, almost to Christmas. I hope you've done your shop and their dog. I hope you're on top of that. Got to keep on keep on top of that. I've done all my shopping. The gifts are all sitting behind me. But for the Mariners, in terms of their Christmas shopping, the Winter meetings are over the best sale of the year in Major League Baseball for players and for owners as well, and the Mariners came out with that much. To be honest, at Winter meetings, I believe they're only signing at Winter Meetings. Technically would have been Trevor Gott. I think if Winter Meetings even started then in that timeframe, at the very least, Trevor Gott was the only free agent signing for the Mariners. They're at Winter meetings, and we've seen this discourse this week, in the last couple of weeks, and whether the Mariners are really doing enough. And I think that's what we want to spend this first part of our episode, trying to dive into if what the Mariners are doing, do we think that's correct, do we think it's not correct? And I think there's just a lot of layers to this, Lil, So I'm gonna just lay it over to you on this whole subject and sort of broach us in a direction and we'll go from there. 00:02:45 Speaker 2: It's just been hard to dissect and it's kind of been a hard pill to swallow because it felt like after this team lost in the Alds this year, the obvious thing to do was go after one of the short stops, make a couple of big moves and put this team over the top. The problem is the market. This winner has been absolutely infuriating. What I have loved to sign Trey Turner, Yes, what I love the Mariners to sign Carlos Korea. Yes. The problem is these guys are getting deals that are out of this world and are going to last until they're thirty nine to forty years old. That's where you have to balance it. In my opinion, is is it worth signing a player like that who's going to be making twenty seven to thirty million dollars a year at age forty, Because this is not the only free agent class that's going to ever exist. Eight years from now, there might be somebody else who the Mariners want to sign. And I know that's not what fans want to hear is thinking about seven eight years down the road. But when you live in the moment, you will be thinking about that at some point. And if seven years prior you signed Trey Turner do a crazy deal, then all of a sudden, it can hamper your payrolls. So it's a tough line to tow and I'm kind of on the side that they're doing the right thing, but that that's my take. 00:04:02 Speaker 1: It's a complex issue. You mentioned the market. The market is pretty insane. We didn't think Sander Bogartz was gonna get eleven years. He got eleven years. We didn't think Trey Turner was gonna get eleven years. He also got eleven years. Judge got one more year than I thought. I thought he was gonna get an eight year contract. He got a nine year contract, and you know, Dansby Swanson and Carlos Correa haven't even signed yet. I don't know if Dan's BEI will get eleven, but I'm almost certain Carlos Carey is going to get at least eleven, if not more, years on a contract. So we think of just the shortstops. I mean, that's already, you know, a pretty long contract. But I think the one that really explained it the most loud on what was most frustrating for us was the Brandon Nemo deal. He got eight years. We're gonna talk about that in our MLB wrap around, but eight years for Brandon Nemo. As we come into this offseason expecting him to get five years, and we're like, okay, Mariners would do a five year contract with Brandon Nemo and the Mets gave him eight year years, eight year contract, and you're sitting there sitting back like this. It's like, well, they weren't gonna do that, but you know you wanted the guy, so you're sort of left in this sort of no man's land of these years are just killing you. All the length of these deals. 00:05:22 Speaker 2: If Brandon Neimo had been willing to take a five year deal. Even if it was a six year deal, I would say the Mariners would jump on that. I think what they worry about is again the longevity, the longevity of these deals and Neimo toward the end of that contract making twenty plus million dollars a year. By the time he's in his mid to late thirties, he could be Dee Gordon. That draws a few more walks, and maybe that's what they worry about. As good as he is right now, I know that Jerry Depoto does not like to be hampered down to these long contracts that can hamstring a team long term, because he thinks he thinks big picture. He doesn't just think totally in the moment right now, this second. What can we do to win in twenty twenty three, which some people argue they should, But I would love to see a sustainable, winning product, and those contracts don't always equate to that. 00:06:14 Speaker 1: Now, if they come out in the twenty twenty three season and win eighty five games, we're gonna be back here on this podcast saying yeah, I think the Mariners decided not to give out a big contract for an impact player this year, and that was probably the wrong decision. I think would you agree with that. I feel like that's agreeable. 00:06:35 Speaker 2: If they missed the playoffs this year, yeah, we would be back on this podcast saying they probably swung and missed this offseason. 00:06:42 Speaker 1: Correct, because right we enter this offseason knowing they said they need impact. They said they absolutely need impact. But I think we talked about it last week. The impact like there has been an improvement, but it has been like an impact level improvement of Adam Colton Wong. Of adding Taoscar Hernandez to this roster, it like again better, but the impact is not like it's not there right, It's like that level of improvement. 00:07:14 Speaker 2: I think they are a better lineup and offense today then they were in Game three against the Astros AKA the last day of the season. I do believe that. I think tay Oscar is an upgrade over Mitch hannigher and right field, and if Colton Wong can even do part of what he did this past year, it's an upgrade over Adam Frazier at second base. So they did get better. It's just not what a lot of Mariner fans wanted to see in terms of the jump from twenty twenty two to twenty twenty three, at least so far. 00:07:43 Speaker 1: But it's frustrating too, Lole, because the organization is shown they are willing to spend. I have a couple of payroll numbers written down that we can talk about briefly, but I don't even know how much it really matters, because we know the Mariners have money to spend. They are a most likely, you know, fifteen to ten in terms of payroll size in Major League Baseball. You know, in the later parts of the twenty tens, they were averaging around the number twelve to the number ten payroll in baseball when they had Cano, Cruz Felix all on the books, and they ran that perfectly. And they're not even one of the top attending teams in baseball, So you know, it's not a matter of that they couldn't afford it. They could afford to be around the tenth highest paying team in baseball in terms of payroll, and there's room for that because right now they're at seventeen. But to look at that, it's also how you spend the money as well, which I think is interesting, and again to the sort of the back end of those contracts is where that money wouldn't be as smart per se, I guess. But here's the point I was thinking. So, my top SoC on Seattle Sports on their show today here on Tuesday, had a bit of a rant at the end of his show which I thought was interesting. Lyle told me to listen to it. I listened to it on the way home before we were recorded this podcast about you know, it shouldn't really matter as long as you're getting better. And I think, Lyle, I know where the frustration is coming from. And the reason people are so frustrated. It's not just because they're spending money. It's because they're not spending money on the part of their team that struggles the most. Low. Where does this team struggle the most? 00:09:27 Speaker 2: It's offensively these days. 00:09:29 Speaker 1: Right, And who is Jerry Depoto's biggest free agent signing as a position player. 00:09:36 Speaker 2: It's Nori Ioki on a one year, six million dollar deal exactly. 00:09:41 Speaker 1: And that's valid. That is a valid point right there. We can talk about the smartest way to build a roster. The most sustainable way to build a roster is to not give a guy a twelve year contract paying him thirty million dollars a year. Yes, that is an objective fact, because for half of that contract he could stink and still make thirty million dollars a year. That's why you look at San Diego and say, well, they're gonna be really fun for the next four years, but then maybe from years five to eight or five to nine, they're really gonna stink. They could, They're gonna have a lot of old, expensive players. But when you look at this Mariner's lineup and they come out and they just you know, they're fine, but they're not great. And if they continue to be not great, then it's like you could sign somebody to fix this issue. You absolutely could sign somebody for your object weakness. You can sign somebody to be in the middle of your lineup and play, and they're choosing not to because they don't want to pay the price and the years to do so. 00:10:44 Speaker 2: I'm gonna make a counterpoint here. A lot of people have compared the Mariner's blueprint and the rebuild they've tried to create here to the Braves. They say, the Mariner's formula is very similar to the Braves, And I understand why fans are frustrated because they have not ever signed a big free agent position player. Well, you look at the Braves roster, they haven't either in this regime, under this alex Anthopolis scheme, when they've been good the last handful of years. None of those position players are free agent signings. I mean list through them. Extended. Acunya extended, Albi's traded for and extended, Matt Olsen extended, Austin Riley, extended, Michael Harris. It's all home grown, with the exception of an Olsen trade that was turned into an extension. And you can say the Mariners did the same thing on the pitching side with Luis Castill. Money does not always equate to titles. A lot of times it does. But you want to look at the Dodgers, a team that everybody aspires to be these days, the Dodgers have one title in a shortened season. I'm not saying I'm not saying that the Mariners are doing it right. I'm not saying they're doing it wrong. I'm just saying these people on Mariner's Twitter that love to just scream payroll, payroll, payroll, I get it, but it doesn't always mean titles, right. 00:12:04 Speaker 1: But I'm gonna push back. I think money does mean titles. It just it's not. It is how you spend your money. I still think you need to spend money. Right, Let's look back through the last World Series winners. Houston spends a lot of money. Atlanta spends a lot of money. The Dodgers spend a lot of money. The Nationals, I mean they paid Steven Strasburg a boatload of money and their payroll was up there when they won the World Series. Boston one of the four biggest markets in baseball. Houston spends money. The Cubs when they won the World Series, spend a lot of money. The last small market team to win a World Series was the Royals, and they were, you know, kind of a flash in the pan for two years before fading off. And if you look at that Royals court, they didn't pay any of those guys really to stay. They let them walk because they didn't want to pay them. And that's why they didn't. That wasn't a sustainable product. So you know, it's not to You can't just flatly say that money is not the reason for winning. There's a reason the A's have not won a World Series in thirty years. There's a reason We're gonna talk about the A's later but there's an obvious reason why teams that don't invest in their roster and don't invest in their organization don't win World Series because you can't do it, because you can't pay your good players to stay. That that is objectively true. However, there's more than than just throwing money at a thirty year old on the free agent market to to come to your roster to stay in terms of in terms of winning, it's just such a complex topic that honestly, lyle I don't It can't really be assessed until the off season's over, until we're starting spring training, we actually know what the roster is going to look like. So I don't know it's the way it is a whole number of things. 00:14:01 Speaker 2: So if what I said came out wrong, let me rephrase. I am not suggesting the Mariners should not spend money. I'm suggesting the exact opposite. My whole thing with this team and the way they're built is so many people on Mariners Twitter want it done one way and a lot of people want it done a different way. My whole thing is I don't care how it's done, just win, and I want the Mariners to spend money. Yes, what I meant is I don't care where the money stems from, as long as the roster's getting better and they're acquiring talent. For example, Julio Rodriguez getting what could be a seventeen year extension at twenty one years old, that's improving the roster. I don't think you'll you'll find a soul on earth that would be mad about that deal. So if the Mariners keep if the Mariners keep extending some of these players in house, sure, if they make another trade and extension, sure, Like the Braves, for example, have a top ten payroll. They're doing everything in house for the most part, but they still money. If the Mariners do it like that, that's okay. I'm just saying I can't cry if they don't sign Xander Bogart's to an eleven twelve year contract, because that feels like bad business in a lot of ways. I would like to see them be sustainable. 00:15:15 Speaker 1: I just don't think the Mariners are doing themselves any favors with the general manager going on local radio and talking about the twenty twenty six payroll, I just don't think it does any favors that way, Because do you know what fans don't care about the twenty twenty six payroll. They do not care about that. Fans want to see the current product. And when you're saying you won't sign a free agent this year because you're worried how much you're gonna pay them in twenty twenty six, is it's just so offsetting to fans who put their money into the current product, not for the twenty twenty six product. What's the revenue gonna look like in twenty twenty six. We don't know, right, We don't know. They're about to have an All Star weekend this year. How much money are they gonna get from that? How much attendance is going to grow these next handful of years when you actually have star players on your team and a core that you can believe in where you could possibly get over three million fans to the ballpark over the course of a summer, with all these luxury attractions that they're putting in the ballpark to just really expedite how much money you can make off of every square inch of T Mobile Park. There's all sorts of factors, And to think, lyle, if you sign a guy now, that contract is honestly gonna look like that if he's as good at this point as he is in the future, the money is gonna be worth so much less because contracts will have already grown exponentially by the time you get to that number. 00:16:43 Speaker 2: The contract's growing is true. I think you can agree with me on this, though, if, for example, the Mariners had signed let's say, Trey Turner and by twenty twenty six, the year that is making a lot of people mad because the POTO was on local Seattle Sports and talked about their thinking about future payrolls. If in twenty twenty six they had Trey Turner who was making twenty seven to thirty million dollars a year and he was not hitting all of a sudden, you know, the same fans on Twitter that have been screaming and yelling that they didn't sign him would be the same fans that are saying this is a terrible contract, he's killing this team. 00:17:22 Speaker 1: You're not totally wrong. You're not again, it's not a there's not a there's not a right way to do anything, really right, there's not. You look at the World Series this year. You had two teams that were built one hundred percent different, like completely different. The Astros or almost essentially all homegrown, slash trade almost all. And then you look at the Phillies. Bryce Harper, Nick Costianos, Zach Wheeler, JT. Realmudo, Kyle Schwarber. Am I missing? Tell me if I'm missing somebody. I don't think I am. But like you know, that's the core right there, all free agents, all of them. So it shows you there really isn't one way to do it now. Sustainability. I don't know how sustainable the Phillies are. If I know anything about baseball that Dave Dombrowski is not sustainable in the way he builds his rosters. But as of right now, the Phillies will probably be pretty good next year based on that approach that they have. That's probably this is this is an exhausting argument because we just want them to win. That's all we want, right We want to you want a World Series. Here's here's one thing. The problem that the thing that makes this a problem is that you are chasing the Astros, and the Astros have set the standard for how to win, how homegrown talent works, and they're just that level of good where it takes the best, it takes you doing everything you can to just match them, let alone beat them. And so the Mariners have done this offseason has been an improvement. They're not near the Astros yet, and that is the standard, and that's what people know you have to do to win a World Series, and that's something the Mariners want. They want to win a World Series and you can't do that and you can't beat the Astros. 00:19:19 Speaker 2: You're right that they have not made up significant ground on Houston this offseason, especially with Houston adding Jose Bray. But what if the chunk of the ground they gained to get close to or past Houston happened in twenty twenty four? Are we ready for me to fire this off here? 00:19:40 Speaker 1: I like the idea you've been You've been talking about this for a while and it makes it would make sense to be honest, So okay, let's see what you got. 00:19:50 Speaker 2: So, as we know, the Mariners have not spent a lot of money in the past few off seasons. They have made a lot of moves this offseason that have involved trades for players on one year deals, and a lot of people have sat here, yes and said, why are they operating like this? But I look at the Mariners who have extended, Julio extended Castillo spent money. But you also know that Jerry Depoto does not just hand out big contracts unless he thinks somebody is worth it. I don't think he thinks anybody in this twenty twenty three free agent class is worth it. But I think there's somebody in twenty twenty four who he does think is worth it. He happens to play two ways. You know who I'm talking about. We're talking about sho hey Otani here. Who if you remember the Mariners were essentially runner ups for back in twenty seventeen and just missed out on him. Well, O'tani said he wants to play for a team that wins. Jeck, he likes the West Coast Jack. I can't imagine the Mariners have lost interest in him since they went after him in twenty seventeen. You remember how how much Jerry Depoto wanted him and how much he would rave about him every time he was asked about him during these sweepstakes six or seven or like five years ago. Now, I think come next year, they are gonna go after sho Heyo Tani and free agency like you have not seen the Mariners chase after a free agent before. I think they are basically gonna do what the Giants tried to do with Aaron Judge say, we are not gonna be outbid. Our payroll is manageable, it sits at seventeenth in the league, and this is a guy that can legitimately change our franchise and bring a World Series to Seattle. I think that's why they didn't spend big in the twenty twenty two off season. I think that's why they're not spending big in the twenty twenty three off season. I think twenty twenty four, you are gonna see Jerry Depoto go after sho Heyo Tani like you have not seen him go after a free agent before. Is it a guarantee he signs here? No, are other teams gonna be competitive? You bet? Do? I think it's possible for the Mariners one hundred. 00:22:04 Speaker 1: Wow, Well that would be fun. So let's look at the positives of this. There's not a better two way player in baseball. There. He is the best player in baseball. I don't know why I just said two. Wait, there is not a better player in baseball than there is sho Heyo Tani. We you know he won wins the MVP last year and had you know, almost as good of a year this year, a one forty two WRC plus and he had over a thirty percent strikeout rate this year, two three, three er. So you're talking your ace and your cleanup hitter in your lineup. Please. That sounds great. Now, let's look at a contract he would probably get. I'm guessing he's gonna get around an eight to ten year contract. So I have some numbers written down. They're based on an eight year contract. Let's start on the low end. I think this would be low for show Heyo Tani. Fifty million dollars a year. I think that's probably the bar the base rate for show Heyani. Right now, that's eight for four hundred million dollars. He would set a record for the UH for the highest average annual value at fifty million dollars a year. If he goes up to sixty, he would get eight for four hundred and eighty dollars million dollars, which most likely would be the richest contract in baseball history. Now I have a number that might blow your mind. So Vangrass has a value calculator where they equate about eight million dollars to one win above replacement, and he was worth about seventy five point nine million dollars this year. So if you equate that over eight years, that would be an eight year contract worth six hundred and seven point two million dollars. Now you might think, wow, that's a big cost. But can you imagine how much more revenue and people in seat Show Hey Otani brings into your ball club. I mean, I don't know if the Angels like could ballpark it. I mean, how many extra fans do you get in seats year? How many more jerseys do you sell with show Heyotani? How much more television? How much more you know, TV eyes do you get with your games now on in Japan with even more importance because shoe Heo Tani is there a lot. 00:24:22 Speaker 2: Let's put it like this, that contract's paying for itself. No matter what a team pays him, that contract's paying for itself. And I'll tell you this with the Mariners too. You remember the last time he was essentially a free agent, the last time he was looking at other teams, and the Mariners made their pitch to him. They did their best, but they didn't land them. They now have a chip that they didn't have before, and that is a now twenty two year old, already MVP level center fielder. He wanted to play in Anaheim because of Mike Trout. You know that scene in endgame in the Avengers where they're talking about trying to go back in time bring everybody back, and Hulk says, if we do this, how do we know it's going to be different than the last time? And Captain Marvel says, because before you didn't have me. Julio is Captain Marvel. He can be the difference maker in a sales pitch to show Hayo Tani, and I fully believe that. 00:25:19 Speaker 1: I like that analogy. Now I want to get to my slight negatives. I know we have other topics to get to here on this podcast. So the only thing I dislike about this line of thinking, well, show Heo Tani is fantastic. I think purposely not improving your ball club for the sakes of having a chance to sign show Heyo Tani, you could argue as organizational malpractice with the roster you have. I think if you state your goal is to win a World Series, you should be doing everything in your power to win a World Series. Punting away an off season at a chance at a free agent three hundred and sixty five days away doesn't sell with a fan base because do you know what that tells me? That this upcoming season doesn't matter as much because you're looking ahead now. The perspective prize is great. That doesn't mean you're gonna get it. 00:26:23 Speaker 2: It does not. But I think Jerry Depotto also believes that four and a half win to five win Tray Turner does not catch them up to the Astros. I think he believes eight to ten wins show hey Otani could And I know that that doesn't sit well with fans right now, But if that is his thought process long term, I understand it, and I'll bet you this, they're probably already setting up their blueprint to try to sales pitch them again. I bet you they're already working on it. If it were if it were my guests, but that would be something college Sorry. 00:26:58 Speaker 1: I was like they should do with the college football coaches are doing now in the portal and like even while the guy's on another team, he just call him up and be like, so, how does how does a four bedroom house sound? Right? Right? On? Queen Anne, Yeah, I can get a nice view of. 00:27:11 Speaker 2: The city exactly. Look, this has been a fun topic. Again, it is a very very controversial topic in the Mariner world right now because there is no one perfect solution. Everybody's got their own ideas. But how it all plays out that can only be told with time. As we go into our free agent profile this week, a guy that is still out on the free agent market and the Mariners could still sign this offseason is JD. Martinez. He was sort of in the Mariners Twitter versus this week and in the Mariners world this week because he posted a photo of himself at Pike Place Market, so he was in Seattle. He clearly was there for some reason. Now, it might have just been a vacation, he might have just been visiting, or maybe he's got interest in the team and they have interest in him. JD. Martinez has made multiple All Star Games with the Red Sox. This is a guy that hits lefties incredibly well. He is probably mostly a DH at this point, but he is a right handed bat that could compliment this team. Would he make sense here in seattleityj. 00:28:17 Speaker 1: Yes. Let's start with the exact reason why, because Mariners dhs last year sucked. They were awful. I don't I just I've kept I think I've read this number now on this podcast. We've now recorded six episodes. I might have said this stat line of Mariners DH is probably three or four times already, but I'm gonna read it again because I just need to hammer it into people's brains how bad the Mariners designated hitters were in twenty twenty two. A one point eight two seventy eight three point thirty seven slash line seventy four ops plus from a guy whose only job is to hit the ball. Only job is to swing a bat and hit a baseball, and they happen to be the worst hitter on the team. Can you just imagine how much better a lineup is when they have a guy well, all he needs to do is hit, play defense, literally just hit, and JD. Martinez does that. He had a power dip this last year. He only had sixteen home runs seventy six RBIs a one sixteen WRC plus and it'll turn thirty six next to August, so you know he's not getting any younger. But he still has pretty good contact numbers. His quality of contact is really good. He's still barreling the ball at a really good rate. He's never been a great guy at limiting strikeouts or walking a whole ton, but he's been good enough in that department, and in each of the last two years, was hard hit rate over a full season has gone down, but I think he's managed it really well as an aging curve because he's had over forty doubles each of the last two years. A guy who used to hit over thirty five home runs a year has now popped into his doubles power a little bit, and he's had over forty doubles in each of the last two seasons as sort of an adaptance to getting old as well. And I think that would suit the middle of a Mariners lineup and wouldn't cost too much either. 00:30:01 Speaker 2: He's not getting a lucrative deal at this point for a guy that's probably just going to be a DH Maybe he'd play the field a little bit. He'd probably be here or anywhere for that matter, on a one to two year deal. I think what the Mariners could potentially like about him is how well he hits lefties, because that seems to be their goal here. They want to find another right handed bat, specifically a guy that can hit left handed pitching. Jady Martinez has basically done that his whole career. If you just want to look at twenty twenty two, put up a one to seventy five WRC plus against lefties. Last year his OPS was nine ninety eight, So he crushed lefties over the course of his career, one fifty two WRC plus against left handed pitching career ops of nine to fifty seven. Yeah, that offense is starting to dip as his age number goes up, but he can still hit left handed pitching and that might be all they care about. 00:30:52 Speaker 1: And the thing is, he might still be able to hit right handed pitching too, because his career is a one twenty four wrc plus against righty's. So like maybe it was a one off last year and he just wasn't comfortable against right handed pitchers. Maybe he still can hit right handed pitching. You know, he's got such a nice swing. He hits the ball all over the place, and if he's in the right environment and he's comfortable enough, I mean it's an option, right, he still could do that. I wouldn't put it past him. And as a BILO signing, to the point of the Mariners offseason. We're at as We're like, well, they still need offense and they want a right handed bat. I'm like, well, sounds like a pretty good option to me if you're asking. 00:31:36 Speaker 2: Right, Like, the only thing I think about is would this just be a carbon copy of Jesse Winker? And I asked that because JD. Martinez plays almost no defense. It's funny he didn't play any defense this past year. He was strictly a DH His defensive runs save were actually slightly in the positive the previous two seasons. It was in very, very limited sample size, but it was positive. But part of me also wonders, is he Jesse Winker not just defensively but offensively? Because Jesse Winker came from a hitter friendly park, got to Seattle and had issues. Jad Martinez just played in a very hitter friendly park, especially for righties. When he come to Seattle and have issues. 00:32:21 Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna push back on that a little bit. I mean, I'm talking about prime JD. Martinez here, but he played in about the most picture friendly park for the first portion of his career that he was in the big leagues. He played in Detroit imagine hitting in Detroit, four hundred and twenty feet to center, four hundred to the alleys, cold weather, not a great hitting environment, and he still put up great numbers when he was in Detroit. I mean, his last full season in Detroit, he slugged five thirty five. He averaged about five thirty on the slugging percentage, hit over three hundred and nine hundred ops twice in Detroit. Again, albeit a much younger version of JD. Martinez with a quicker back and more power in there. But you know, it's not like he hasn't played in a pitcher friendly park. And I'm also going to push back on this on Jesse Winker. I mean, they're sort of two different profiles of hitters. Jesse Winker hit the ball hard, but he wasn't like an elite guy in terms of really just crushing baseballs. But JD. Martinez is if you look at his baseball SOMOT page, you'll see a bunch of red when you go look at average eggs, at velocity and barrel rate and all those things. Jesse Winkers plus is that he had good control of the strike zone and walked a lot while limiting his strikeouts. JD Martinez isn't as much of a walker's career walk rates right around nine percent, but he only strikes out around twenty four percent of the time. That percentage keeps going down as he gets older, which is honestly kind of surprising. It usually goes the other direction. So I just don't think that's really fair comparison for him. 00:33:53 Speaker 2: I guess I was just thinking in terms of very well below average defense and going from a hit friendly park to a pitcher's park with dense air, you know, balls don't carry as much. That was the comparison I'm thinking of. Yes, JD hits the ball significantly harder than Jesse Winker if he ever did, and that's great. I don't think there's I think there are some similarities. Let's put it like that. Yes, their profiles are as players are different, but you can compare some things, especially the defense. And that's part of this too, right, is the Mariners claim they're looking for a right handed hitting outfielder to offset Kelnick so he can play against righty's. If you signed Jad Martinez, he's probably dhing ninety five percent of the games he's in the lineup, And do you sign a guy just to DH. 00:34:43 Speaker 1: Well, then why don't you do JD. Martinez and you signed Confordo, then you have two hitters and someone else to offset Kelnick and the outfield. 00:34:52 Speaker 2: That's fine with me. 00:34:54 Speaker 1: Doesn't sound that doesn't sell a bad option. It won't cost you exactly, doesn't cost you any thing. You're gonna spend maybe eight million dollars on JD. Martinez maybe a year. That's it. That's about what he's worth right now. And I think that's his market. Like, if the Mariners can't afford an eight million dollar contract, then they should just fold up and retire for the rest of the offseason. If they can't, I'm serious, Like, if that's if that is the hold fast, then then why bothers show up to the negotiating table but they can't afford that because they know they need offense. And I think that I don't think that would be a bad combination. It would add more depth to the lineup because on days JD. Martinez doesn't play, then you put Confordo in the dhpot. 00:35:39 Speaker 2: So JD. Martinez would roughly cost eight to ten million dollars, we're saying, and Michael Confordo would probably cost somewhere from twelve to fifteen million dollars. Yeah, I would think the Mariners have twenty five million bucks to shell out to those two players. 00:35:53 Speaker 1: Yeah. The only annoying thing though, is that you think about that as like twenty five million dollars would you run they've just spent? Then on Brendan Nemo maybe offered him twenty five million average annually instead of the about twenty million annually he's going to get over an eight year contract form the Mets. What does that come out to over five years, five to twenty five? That's one hundred and fifty dollars? Is that? No, one hundred and fifty fifty million? Yeah? Is that I think so? Yeah? No, that's thirty million a year. Oh I would have paid that too, because it's not my money. 00:36:24 Speaker 2: What well, yeah, twenty five over five would be. 00:36:28 Speaker 1: Twenty five right, Okay, Well I would have paid him thirty million dollars a year as well, because just for the just just literally just for it to be five year contract. I think he do what it takes, as we're seeing these long contracts are to drive down the average annual value. That's literally all. It's essentially dodging the salar cap what aj Preller tried to do with our next subject as we spread out and let's go a little more national with our mob wrap round. So we missed this news by about would you say twelve hours and are recording last week. Arson Judge had signed with the Giants prior to us recording our podcast last week, but Aaron Judge remained unsigned, and the next morning he signed a nine year, three hundred and sixty million dollar contract to return to the Bronx. He'll make an average of forty million dollars a year. Good for Aaron Judge. 00:37:36 Speaker 2: We made a TikTok about this, which again, if you're not following us on TikTok, you should be. I always felt like Aaron Judge was gonna go back to the Yankees. I mean, don't get me wrong when we saw reports that he was heading to the Giants. Even when Hayman retracted his tweet, there were still rumblings that it was gonna happen. Like Judge to the Giants feels like it's picking up steam this and that. That was the first I really ever felt like, yeah, he's not going back to New York. But evidently he wanted to be in the Bronx because that's where he signed. Maybe he's just maybe he just used the Giants' leverage, But point being, the Yankees could not afford to lose Aaron Judge. I don't even know if that team's a playoff team with Aaron Judge and now he's gonna keep his legacy there. You don't think so, No, they're not. No, yeah, I don't think so either. So now he kind of saves the Yankees, so to speak, at least for the next few years when he's still in his prime and he's probably gonna get the captain title. He has a chance to get his number retired. 00:38:37 Speaker 1: Now, Oh no, I think is his number he plays the rest of this contract, and he doesn't totally stink he's gonna get his number retired. I mean, think about that. Roger Morris has his number retired? Is Yankee? Right? 00:38:50 Speaker 2: I believe so. 00:38:52 Speaker 1: Right, So if Roger Merris has his number retired, then Aaron Judge is getting his number retired. Because Roger Morris also happened to be a one season essentially a one anomaly season with the Yankees, where he set that American League record sixty one home runs and Judge happened to break it with his I guess anomaly season, even though he's been very good for his whole career sixty two home runs. I do think ninety nine would look great in that Monument park. The only thing is most of the Yankees retired numbers are all single digits, because all the great Yankees wore single digit numbers. But Aaron Judge wears ninety nine, which is as far away from a single digit as you can get, which I think is a funny twist. I want to get your take on this, Lyle, while I go double check that Roger Morris has his number retired. I mentioned the Padres. What aj Preler tried to pull with Aaron Judge honestly made me laugh. The Padres were going to offer Aaron Judge a fourteen year contract for well over four hundred million dollars, and I was just laughing. Look looking at it. The reason they offered him fourteen years. They were going to offer him fourteen years is to drive down the average value and sort of dodge under the luxury tax, which I saw the report. You probably saw this too, that Major League Baseball was going to veto that contract if they agreed to it because they're like, Preller, what are you? What the fuck are you doing? Dude? Like it was just funny. 00:40:25 Speaker 2: Dude, He's such a meme at this point. It feels like, and I'm not saying he is all bad at his job or anything like that, Like, obviously the Padres are winning these days, but to see that he was okay paying Aaron Judge till he was forty five years old is nuts. I mean yeah, And if he knew MLB was gonna deny it, how did that report even get out there? 00:40:47 Speaker 1: Like? 00:40:47 Speaker 2: How is that? How is that even cooked up in the Padres front office? That's what I can't figure out. I don't get it. It's it's wild. Also, you're mentioning the retired numbers. We might I'd have to pull a prank one day at Yankee Stadium where if Aaron Judge gets his number retired, and well, he wouldn't be next to Roger Merris. But it's too bad he wouldn't be, because what if if there was a nine and then there was a ninety nine next to the nine. What if you and I just showed up at Yankee Stadium one day for a game, showed up with a big sign that in big orange numbers had twenty five and said bonds and stuck it right between Maris and Judge and then like added Roger Merris Junior on Twitter. 00:41:30 Speaker 1: I don't block many people on Twitter. I'm very very particular with who I decide to block on Twitter. Roger Merris Junior, based on his complaining during the home run chase for Aaron Judge, earned one of my three all time blocks. Congratulations Roger. I mean, can you think the son of the second place American League home run champion, the second place American League home run leader? 00:42:03 Speaker 2: Unreal? Like? 00:42:05 Speaker 1: Think about that? Like, I get out of here, dude. I don't give a rip. What the hell you have to say about the dude's hitting home runs? I who gave you a podium? 00:42:17 Speaker 2: Who stuck him at the the Who's stuck him. 00:42:20 Speaker 1: In front of a bunch of cameras and a backdrop with a microphone in front of you? Like? Who care you didn't hit the home runs? Oh? I was? 00:42:30 Speaker 2: I was so fired up when Aaron Judge hit sixty two, and Jared Kravis on Twitter put it perfectly. He tweeted out the meme of Owen Wilson and Vince Vaughn popping champagne and wedding crashers. When Judge hit sixty two and in all capital letters, he just puts, we never have to hear from Roger Merris Junior ever again. 00:42:48 Speaker 1: Oh where's my I need my champagne? Where is it? 00:42:52 Speaker 2: Yeah? Before we transition here, let's just I'll just say this. TJ has three people blocked on Twitter. If we get enough Twitter TikTok followers, one day, TJ will reveal who the other two people are that he's blocked on Twitter. I think that's fair. 00:43:09 Speaker 1: Yeah, that is a very fair, very fair. They follow a common theme, so yes. 00:43:15 Speaker 2: They do. Let's move on here, we're talking Padres. We'll stay on the topic of San Diego. They signed Xander Bogarts eleven years, two hundred and eighty million dollars. This kind of came out of nowhere. I don't really think anybody expected Xander Bogarts to land with the Padres, but Aj Preller and crew were willing to throw out a lot of money and they landed on Xander Bogarts. 00:43:43 Speaker 1: This doesn't really shock me too much, to be honest, though it was shocking in the moment when we see this, but you sit back and you think about a little bit more. Let's think about what what we have already discussed. What AJ Preller did prior to giving out this contract. He offered Trey Turner three hundred and forty one million dollars opposed to the three hundred that the Phillies offered him. Trey turned him down somehow. I don't know. Forty one million dollars sounds pretty good to me, but regardless, Trey Turner turned him down. Aaron Judge well over four hundred million dollars fourteen years, turned it down, didn't didn't didn't materialize. And then there's Xander Bogarts and we didn't think Sander Bogartz was gonna get a long term, long, long term deal. We were wrong. AJ Preler essentially was like, okay, what's a number of the Red Sox aren't gonna match. They weren't going to match that. They weren't gonna match eleven years, two hundred and eighty million. Yeah they could have. They have the finances for it, obviously, but they didn't do it. So the Padres offer something the Red Sox would not match. And that's exactly what happened. And I know Xander went back to the Red Sox and was like, can you guys match this? And they were like nope. And now Bogart's is a Padre, and man, the Padres are fun and they're good for baseball. They're so good for baseball. Credit, I forget the Padres owner's name. Had to thank you, thank you. 00:45:17 Speaker 2: Look, I think they've been incredibly irresponsible with their money in a lot of ways. But they are good for baseball. Yes, they are competitive. They are right now a very good team, and they are good for the sport because they're spending a lot of money no matter what way they do it, and they're trying to win. It is crazy. It almost just felt like they were playing fantasy baseball in a lot of ways, except it was through free agency where it was like, oh, well, let's just throw all this money here at Trey Turner. Oh well that didn't work. Okay, Let's just throw all this money at Aaron Judge. Ope, that didn't work. Okay, Let's now just throw all this money at Xander Bogart's. That worked. Like I mean, it didn't feel like they had much of a plan behind it. It was just like, throw as much money possible at all the star free agents until they got one of them. 00:45:56 Speaker 1: The Padres are what Mariner's Twitter looks at and are like, why can't we be more like that? Now we can have our agreements and disagreements on if that's the right way to build a roster. Time will tell who's gonna win a World Series. That's that's really the real indicator. If the Padres won a World Series and you're like, they're probably right. But like, San Diego is not a big market. It's not. It is cornered in the south west corner of the United States, swown down by Los Angeles. So like you have this tiny chunk of California that is your market, that's it, that is your only market, and yet you trust that the revenue will come to sign some of these contracts, listen to some of these contracts. The small market of San Diego has signed Manny Machado ten years, three hundred million dollars, Fernando Tatis fourteen years, three hundred and forty million dollars. They could potentially sign Juan Soto for over four hundred million dollars in a couple of years. It could be this year if they choose to extend them, or they could until he's a free agent. He'll probably wait to be a free agent because of Scott Bors. They signed Eric Cosmer to an eight year deal for one hundred and forty four million dollars. They signed Joe Musgrove to a five year, one hundred million dollar contract. This season, they signed Will Meyer six years eighty three million dollars. They use just spend and it's great. It's great, it's enjoyable. 00:47:27 Speaker 2: I have two points to make here. I'll let you respond to each of them. My first is you mentioned Juan Soto. You know what I'm gonna do. That second, I do wonder how the Xander Bogart's contract is gonna play out, because, as we talked about when we broke him down for a potential fit with the Mariners, we talked about he set career or career lows in a lot of categories, or if it wasn't a career low, it was the lowest point of his career in a very long time in things like hard hit rate and barrel rate, average exit velocity, along with the fact that he did not hit all that well away from Fenway Park. That has to be some concern, right. 00:48:06 Speaker 1: A little bit. But is anything about aj Preller concerned about four years from now? No? 00:48:12 Speaker 2: Probably not, he's not. 00:48:14 Speaker 1: He's not. So it like, do you think Xander will be good for the next two to three years? Question? Yes, okay, And that's what that's what aj Preller's focused on, even though he gave him eleven years, He's focused on the next two to three years to win a world series. That's why he signed him. He did what he needed to do to get Xander to San Diego. That's essentially what he did. Whether he likes the trends or not, it's irrelevant. He wants to be good for the next two to three years, point blank. 00:48:43 Speaker 2: Yeah, here's my second point, and it makes better sense to do it in this order. Now, Even if that's the case, why did you just give Xander Bogarts who's about to be thirty years old, an eleven year deal in instead of giving Juan Soto, who's about to be twenty four whatever extension he wanted. I know Scott Boris usually waits till his clients hit free agency, but if they had given Soto an offer he couldn't refuse, Like five hundred million dollars. I bet you he takes the extension. I would have rather done that than give Bogarts the money. Soto is way more of a safe bet and a lock to be an offensive catalyst than Bogarts is. 00:49:27 Speaker 1: You're right, You're correct. However, that is assuming that Scott Boris and company are willing to negotiate an extension while he still has two years left until free agency. And there's another thing. Maybe AJ Proler does not think the current iteration of the San Diego Padres without Xander Bogartz is good enough to win a World Series, which is a fair assumption. You sign Juan Soto, great, but you already have him under contract for the next two seasons, regardless if he signs an extension. So you do what you can now to utilize those resources that you have by not paying Juan Soto to go sign another guy to help Juan Soto to win a World Series. You are talking logically for the future of the San Diego Padres in the long term, to have a long term good player. But Aj Preller is focused on the next two seasons, when Juan Soto is guaranteed to be a San Diego Padre unless they decide to trade him away. 00:50:30 Speaker 2: That's probably true. You're probably right about that. 00:50:34 Speaker 1: So again, the two extremes of baseball. You have the Padres and you have the Phillies, and then you have the Astros and Braves. In terms of roster building, we've covered a lot of that today, more than we probably would have liked, but it is entertaining podcasting. Nonetheless, let's run through these next couple quickly. Low Brandon Nimo are ideal free agent signing, goes to the Mets eight years, one hundred and sixty two million dollars. Steve Cohen gets what he wants. He always gets what he wants. 00:51:06 Speaker 2: That's what happens when you're willing to spend all the money in the world. There's not much more we can say on Brandon Nemo at this point, because we've talked about him in length on a lot of episodes. Yes, he was a perfect fit for this team. The Mariners also almost definitely did not want to go eight years. The Mets were willing to do it. That's what he got. So he returns to Queens and they keep their leadoff hitter and a guy that's a catalyst at the top of the order and can play some good defense. 00:51:31 Speaker 1: Steve Cohen is good for baseball. He's great for baseball. I mean they're making rules to prevent him from spending more, which I wish. I wish. You know, the bottom fifteen owners of baseball would like collectively try and spend as much as Steve Cohen does. After tax is their payroll this year is going to be over four hundred million dollars. Four hundred million. Steve Cohen is making the Steinbrenners look poor, which is insane. 00:52:01 Speaker 2: Yeah, that is not four hundred million dollar payroll. That's crazy. 00:52:07 Speaker 1: There should be more owners willing to do what it takes to win a World Series like Steve Cohen. Could you could you just imagine the competitiveness of some of these franchises if they're really willing to actually invest in their teams like this. They can crazy. 00:52:22 Speaker 2: They can all afford it. They can all afford it. It's just only some choose to afford it. That's the big thing. 00:52:28 Speaker 1: That's correct. That is uh, that's absolutely correct. Still a good fit for the Mets because if they were going to lose him, I mean, man, you're talking about losing to Gram. You sign Verlander, but you know, your roster's kind of old and you're just not certain where the roster goes from next year. You could see it taking a step back because it is an older roster, especially with an older rotation, So you'd want to kind of shure up the offense a little bit. And I think that's what Brandon Emo does here. 00:52:57 Speaker 2: I agree the Mets needed him back. They got it back. They paid for them, they get the product. There was a few other moves that occurred this week. We're just gonna list off a couple of them. Code I Sanga also signs with the Mets five years for seventy five million dollars. Right hander out of Japan, Masataki Yoshita and outfielder from Japan signed with the Red Sox this week five year deal ninety million dollars, and Sean Murphy, just a couple of days ago, traded from the A's to the Braves in return for a package of prospects. None of them were top one hundred guys, So TJ, do any of these moves stand out to you? 00:53:40 Speaker 1: The A's should be disbanded. I mean, seriously, what a joke. I feel so bad for every A's fan out there, and we're talking about owners that care padres mets. The A's do not, Like they literally don't don't give a shit about They don't give a shit about their fans. It doesn't seem like they don't care about their stadium. They don't care about the product on the field. I mean, they're they traded a top five to ten catcher in baseball with three years of control left and got zero blue chip prospects zero three years of control. I see this trade them, I'm looking at it. I'm like, this is unbelievable. You Like, it's like you're purposely trying to get You're not purposely trying to get worse with hopes of being better in the future. You're purposely trying to get worse and with no hope of being better for the future. Like, no offense to any of the guys on here, but none of the they got the the the Braves number one prospect, but then not higher than anyone else's like number six prospect, which isn't even like a top one hundred guy. What like, what are the A's doing? Like, let me quickly run through the whole the whole trade. It was a three way trade. Shout out to the Brewers who managed to get in on the A's in competence with this. So the Braves get Sean Murphy, the Brewers get William Cantreras, a twenty four year old All Star catcher, a guy from the A's Joel Payamp's pamps I think, and Justin Jaeger. The A's get Kyle Mueller, who's the braves number one prospect, not a top one hundred guy, Estree Ruiz who's the Brave's number eight prospect, Freddy Tarnock, which is the Brave's number six prospect formerly of course, and Roy Beart Salinas the braves number eighteen prospect, and a veteran catcher, Manny Pina their many. Penia is the only guy making I think there's only sorry, only one guy in the A's roster next year making over five million dollars. I mean, it's so sad. It is so sad. 00:55:50 Speaker 2: It's it's major league. They are trying to move this team to Vegas. And that that's not a hot take, that's not an exaggeration. There is one reason, one reason only for why you would purposely assemble a roster this terrible and they're trying to get out of Oakland and move to Vegas. You don't trade a top five catcher with three years of club control for absolutely nothing in return because you hope to get better in the future. No, no way. 00:56:17 Speaker 1: Just it's so it's just awful. Like can Rob Manford in the commissioner's office just step in. It's like, okay, guys, like either move or try like do it, like just like put your foot down and say you're moving to Vegas. Because it's just bad. It's embarrassing, and I feel so bad. I feel so bad for A's fans out there that have to deal with this. And we complain about free agent signings, but you know, imagine if we went down the list of the A's top free agent signings in the last thirty years and we could probably not find one that was actually good. 00:56:52 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm with you. Let's I mean really quickly before we move on here. I was just gonna say, I guess the move of those three that stands out to me is code I Sanga. And I say that because I'm interested to see if this, if this Mets rotation, if this Mets rotation, there we go is better worse? Or about net neutral with Sanga and Verlander compared to if they had de Gram and Chris Bassett, who also just signed elsewhere this week. He signed a three year deal with the Blue Jays. Could I sang? 00:57:19 Speaker 1: It? 00:57:19 Speaker 2: Throws one hundred and two miles an hour at his very top when he tops out, and he also has a nasty splitter. This guy has a chance to be a bargain of a contract, making five years for seventy five million. Along with getting Verlander, who we said long term we wouldn't want to pay twenty twenty three, he has a chance to be really good. I'll be interested to see if this rotation is better, worse, or about the same with those two compared to having de Gram and Bassett. 00:57:44 Speaker 1: It's gonna be an old rotation. But they stay healthy. I think they're gonna they have a chance to be very very very good, maybe not sustainable, at least good in twenty twenty three. That's all that matters at this moment. Let's get to a segment we've been looking forward to for a few weeks now, and let's speak our mind. 00:58:00 Speaker 2: Speak your mind. 00:58:01 Speaker 1: Spot That would be unwise. What is necessary is never unwise, So Lyle and I when we're discussing this scenario of what we were going to do this week, it's pretty obvious. It's obviously Mariner fans, which by correlation would make us Seahawks fans. It's a big news in the offseason, Russell Wilson on March eth was traded to the Denver Broncos for three players, two first round picks, two second round picks, and a third round pick. I think I didn't write down the trade package, but I think, off the top of my head that's what it was. 00:58:39 Speaker 2: The Seahawks gave the Broncos a fourth round pick, That's what it was. 00:58:42 Speaker 1: Craig gave them a fourth round pick and quarterback Russell Wilson. This past Sunday, the Broncos were eliminated from playoff contention before the Seahawks and currently are gonna are currently projected to give the Seahawks the number two pick and the NFL Draft. We decided to go back to March eighth and dig up some tweets that we could read that couldn't have been more wrong about the situation that was going to unfold in the twenty twenty two NFL season. Before we read anything, I'm gonna put a hand up admit I was wrong. I was so wrong. I thought I thought. I thought the Seahawks got fleeced on this trade. I was heartbroken to know what life was going to be like after Russell Wilson. Now you fast forward to the end of September. I'm sitting there, I'm like, did Pete just did he? H? He must have been right. 00:59:44 Speaker 2: Okay, I've got two things here. One, I'm putting my hand up too, because, like you, I was wrong. I've just got to say this before we start reading off these tweets. They are three and fucking ten. The Denver Broncos, after trading for Russell Wilson and giving him a five year extension for two hundred and forty five million dollars before playing a single game in a Denver uniform, are now three and ten and are currently holding the second pick in the NFL Draft in twenty twenty three, which goes to the Seahawks because that was part of the Russell Wilson package. This season for the Broncos is literally an SNL skit written by the Seattle Seahawks. It is unreal. 01:00:28 Speaker 1: Their offense is the lowest scoring offense, it's even lower scoring than the twenty seventeen winless Cleveland Browns. To put that in perspective, what would their record? Do we know what the record would be if they'd scored eighteen points in every game, it'd probably be like eight. And I think it would probably be like eight. They'd probably be like nine and four at this point, nine and four to ten and three something like that. 01:00:53 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think it's either ten and three or eleven and two. Actually, it's it's ridiculous, Like their defense. 01:00:59 Speaker 1: Is eighteen points lead. Eighteen points in scoring eighteen points a game in the NFL is bad. And if they had just been bad on offense and scored eighteen points a game, the Seahawks would look like complete idiots right now. But yeah, number weep is this incredible? 01:01:17 Speaker 2: Listen, And one quick last thing before we start reading off to these tweets. You mentioned Pete Carroll. I think you I'll speak for both of us here. I think we both owe him a major public apology because he's not perfect. There are still some things he does that aren't perfect with timeouts, with the way the defense has gone this year. But our biggest gripe with him the last few years was how much he ran the ball and taking the ball out of Russell's hands. It's now very, very evident why he was doing that, because the light has been shined on what the real problem was this whole time, or really who the real problem was, and it's that Russ would take these drive altering sacks because he'd hold the ball too long. He'd lose fifteen yards and the drive was over by the time it was second or third down. And now with Gino's they're throwing the ball at an above average rate. 01:02:04 Speaker 1: Because he can actually hang in there on third down and throw over the middle on time. It's crazy simple, isn't it. 01:02:11 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I said, apologies on that, Pete, you were wrong. 01:02:17 Speaker 1: We appreciate Russ for the ten years he spent in Seattle, some of the most memorable years of my life. But man, this is his bed. He asked for it and he got it, all right, and he got it. See he can listen to this podcast in his office and listen to all these tweets. All right, Do you want to lead off? 01:02:36 Speaker 2: Sure? I will will go back and forth. 01:02:39 Speaker 1: Okay. 01:02:39 Speaker 2: The first one I found was on March eighth from Kenny Beecham, who says, explain the Russell Wilson trade in NBA terms for me. He gets a reply from one Colin Coward that says the Broncos dunked on the Seahawks. 01:02:59 Speaker 1: One. I think I have Colin in here somewhere too, but it's not that one. I'm gonna go to one of our favorite Seahawks Twitter prevent people, Evan Hill, who works for a Hawk blogger. I think I chose about six Evan tweets, but I'm going to just read one of them. The fact that the Seahawks had to throw in a fourth round pick is honestly fucking hilarious. What a horrible return for a once in a generation half of a Hall of Fame quarterback. Thank you. 01:03:31 Speaker 2: Man. This is unbelievable looking at months later. Okay, number two, I have a lot of Colin Coward tweets in here. Here's another one. Colin Coward says, the Broncos have crushed this offseason free agency and draft crushed it. Now, they didn't even have a first round pick in this year's draft, but somehow, I guess in Colin Coward's world, they crush. They won the off season. 01:04:05 Speaker 1: Okay, let's go to Sports Radio KJR Dave Softy Mahler's poll. This isn't really a tweet, but this is more of a fan fan perspective. He put on a pulse on March eight saying Seaawks trading Russell Wilson to Denver. Love it or hate it? Fifty four percent of people said they hate it, while forty seven forty five percent of people said they love it. I wonder what those numbers would be now. 01:04:33 Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with like ninety seven to three or something like that probably. Okay, Third tweet, and I promise this is my final Colin Coward tweet, but it's another one because he loves Russell Wilson. This was on August fifth, twenty twenty two, as we're getting ready for the start of the regular season in the NFL. It was just a few weeks away. There's a video of Colin Coward talking for about six minutes, and what it's quoted on as on Twitter is I think Russell Wilson wins the MVP and he goes off for six minutes about it. 01:05:14 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go now to the Denver stratosphere. I have a couple of Denver Twitter personalities here that are lined up here. Let's go to Zach Stevens, who works for d NVR, a sort of new media outlet in the Denver area. He's got a lot of really good ones, but I'm gonna I'm gonna just circle this one. The Denver Broncos are Super Bowl contenders with Russell Wilson at QB for the next decade. Oops. 01:05:47 Speaker 2: I've got to say this, by the way, as we're reading through these tweets, because this was a take a lot of the off season, I don't ever want to hear again about how Jerry Judy and Courtland Sutton are a better receiver duo than DK and Tyler Lockett. 01:06:00 Speaker 1: No, well, not at all. 01:06:02 Speaker 2: No, not like that was a take. 01:06:06 Speaker 1: It was a take, incorrect take as that it seemed like there were a lot of them. 01:06:13 Speaker 2: Okay, fourth out of six. I'm gonna do this one and then two more after this. As we continue to go along here, Denver Broncos three six five, they tweet out a lot of Broncos stuff. They caught a picture of Peyton Manning shaking hands with Patrick Mahomes, who I believe has never lost to the Broncos in his career, at least not when he's on the road. Yeah, he's and oh T and O against the Broncos. Uh. This tweet has Patrick Mahomes shaking hands with Peyton Manning and Broncos. Three sixty five quotes it. Hey, Pat, there's a new king in the NFC West and it's in the AFC West and his name is Russell Wilson. 01:06:51 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:06:51 Speaker 2: I don't think so, I don't think. 01:06:56 Speaker 1: Is king. I sent this tweet to you before I I I added it to the list, so I'm gonna read it again. Also from Zack Stevens at DNVR, and again with these people were quoting no ill Will at all. I just think it's funny you could dig up my tweet receipts and read it on your podcast too. We'll get a chuckle out of it. This tweet on March eighth from Zack Stevens. Not only is Russell Wilson an incredible quarterback, he's a perfect fit in Nathaniel Hackett's offense. 01:07:26 Speaker 2: And Nathaniel Hackett has been almost as much of a scapegoat as Russ has been with this team, the guy who might get fired, but more the season is over. Oh well, incredible. I mentioned that, Okay, got two more. I mentioned that contract that Russell signed five years for two hundred and forty five million in Denver, Broncos three six five tweets out it happened Russell Wilson took a team friendly deal and now the Broncos can build a long term championship team. I don't know in what world that contract is team friendly, but they said it is. 01:08:00 Speaker 1: Remember when he made it a point to say he took forty nine million dollars a year because he didn't want to reset the market and give the Broncos room to grow out the roster. I got a good laugh out of that. Was that was a good one from Russ's PR team. Here's a tweet from Zach Bye, he works at one oh four to three the fan in Denver. Serious question in the offseason, what if Aaron Rodgers actually wanted to come to the Broncos, But George Peyton said, nah, we have a better option. Aron also rumored in the off season to one out of Denver, out of Green Bay, and Denver was an option. 01:08:41 Speaker 2: And it's very well known now that that was their first choice. That is basically the whole reason that Daniel Hackett got hired. They thought they could lure Rogers away because Hackett was his guy. Okay, last one. I tried to save the best one for last year. This one might be my favorite. The Broncos currently have three Lombardi trophies and their friends his history. Broncos three six five caught Russell Wilson wearing some orange cleats with a white Lombardi trophy on the bottom, and the caption says, on these cleats of Russell's fourth coming soon like number four. I do not think at three and ten they're gonna be holding up a Lombardi Trophy this year. I don't think so. But maybe four wins though, dog oh they could get four wins maybe YEA schedules tough, we hope not. 01:09:31 Speaker 1: And I'm gonna cap it off with a mutual favorite between the two of us to watch real Skip Bayless Denver just stole Russell Wilson from Seattle. Congrats Broncos, condolences Seahawks. You know, Skip, I'm sorry, as you said yesterday on Undisputed, why don't you just put your glasses back on their Skip? 01:09:56 Speaker 2: Oh he almost lost it yesterday, or Shannon, he almost. 01:09:59 Speaker 1: Got punched right in the face on my television. God, I really wish that happened soon. 01:10:07 Speaker 2: So if those who are listening couldn't tell, we did one collective speak your mind this week, and honestly, we've been waiting a long time to do this one. Yes, we had a little ram session get off our chest there, but you know what, we have to hear it a lot in the off season, so it's nice to gloat a little. Let's put it like that. 01:10:31 Speaker 1: Yep. And it has been a treat every Sunday to turn on Red Zone and see the Broncos not on there. He does well, they haven't scored any points. Thank you, Russ. You got what you wanted, You got your office, you got your PR team, and you got your big contract. Congrats, Russ. You did a great job in getting what you want. You just haven't executed it very well. 01:10:56 Speaker 2: I'm gonna cap it off with this as we wrap this up here, Seahawks are probably gonna have a top three pick. At the very least, it's gonna be top five. It seems like at this point one of the guys we've circled that we think they could take is Will Anderson, a guy who has a chance to be an elite pass rusher. He wears number thirty one. I'm gonna let you finish my sentence here because I know I've said this to you a few times. Well, Anderson wears thirty one at Bama and you can't spell thirty one. 01:11:24 Speaker 1: Without three without three. Thank you, Russ, Thank you, Russ. What a Christmas present? 01:11:31 Speaker 2: Yeah? Ah, that's been great. That has been great. Well, with that, that'll just about wrap us up for this edition of the Marine Layer Podcast. If you guys want to follow us, you've got a bunch of different options. If you want to listen to the podcast, you can find us on Apple Podcasts, on Spotify, on Google Podcasts, on Amazon, pretty much wherever you get your podcasts. It would also recommend you go to YouTube too, because we've got full video podcasts on there. We've got our short form content on there with YouTube shorts. You can follow us on social media and on Instagram, Twitter, and TikTok at Marine Layer Pod. Seriously go check those out. We do a bunch of stuff on TikTok, so if you listen to us once a week, you can find more of our content throughout the week as well. If you go over to our TikTok page, we do Mariner stuff, we do MLB stuff, the whole nine yards. Well, thank you so much for listening to this episode. 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