Episode 75: Paul Silvi (KING 5), Shohei Ohtani "Not Realistic" For Seattle And The M's Acquire Luis Urías

00:00:00 Speaker 1: Welcome to episode number seventy five of the Marine Layer Podcast. We welcome on Paul Sylvie and anchor at King five Sports a discussion about his career the Mariners in a really fun Ken Griffy Junior story that you'll want to stick around for. The Maurners have also made a trade in the past week. They acquire Luis Urrius from the Boston Red Sox and an addition to the Mariners infield that we'll discuss. 00:00:23 Speaker 2: You're a reminder before we start the show that if you're listening to our podcast on your audio side, make sure to download our episodes, leave us a five star review, and follow the show wherever you get your audio side of the podcast. Those reviews, the downloads, they help us out a bunch, so just take a few extra seconds to do that. Watch us on YouTube too. If you want to see the video side of the podcast, go like, comment, subscribe over there, and follow us on social media. We're on Instagram, TikTok, Twitter, and YouTube shorts at marine Layer Pod. 00:00:53 Speaker 1: Let's get it rolling, I mean, welcome you to this episode of the Marine Layer Podcast, part of the Just Baseball podcast network. Recording here Monday morning, November twentieth and the show Hey Vibes get worse by the day, Like we couldn't. We didn't think the news coming out from Jeff pass and that we discussed on Friday's episode. 00:01:26 Speaker 3: Could get worse, but oh boy it did. 00:01:28 Speaker 1: A report came out on Friday that apparently well, according to mob dot com, the Mariners show Hao Tani is not in the Mariners realistic plans this off season. 00:01:41 Speaker 2: No, they're realistic plans, are Luis Arias. 00:01:44 Speaker 1: Apparently this is not what people wanted to read. I'll tell you that much it was. It was not a fun day and it was not what we wanted to read either. So the exact quote coming from Daniel Kramer ofmob dot com. According to industry sources, signing show Hao Tani doesn't appear to be within the Mariners realistic agenda this offseason. Here's a question I have on this. Do they consider realistic being it needs to be over fifty percent or realistic, like it's not even a one percent chance. 00:02:18 Speaker 2: My whole thing is whether you think it's realistic or not. That shouldn't be an excuse not to try. What is the worst that happens if you make your best attempt. He says, no, and you're in the same spot you're in right now. I don't get it. I like all the money they've been making the past few years from the TV deal, from ticket sales, and I mean the ballpark was its packed as it's been here in twenty twenty three as it's been in some time. Where's all this money going? Like you haven't spent multiple off seasons in a row. And we talked about we thought some of the reason might be trying to save up to make a run at show. Hey, well, if they're not going to do that, like, where's all the money going? 00:02:54 Speaker 3: Apparently Lyle John Stanton doesn't have enough money. 00:02:57 Speaker 1: We did have someone who's trying really really hard or to get in a ruthless replies segment this week, and I'll give credit to him in our YouTube comments. 00:03:05 Speaker 3: He he, I'll say you entertained me, sir. 00:03:08 Speaker 1: You you made you made quite the impact on this softseason and was trying to make some points of why the Mariners don't have the capital to uh. 00:03:16 Speaker 3: To sign show hey Atani, which you know, I just disagree. 00:03:23 Speaker 1: Yeah, I disagree, and I think it should be in the Mariner's agenda in some part of the Mariner's agenda this offseason show how Tani should be in there, because if he's not, we have an issue. 00:03:34 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:03:35 Speaker 2: Look, if show Hey picks to sign somewhere else, he picks to sign somewhere else, But not trying is where I think I have an issue. And I'll tell you what We've seen so much of the Mariners twitter verse split over the last few years between is the Poto's way the right way or is spending just ruthless amounts of money the right way? Because people have been very split on this for a while. And look, Twitter is not really a real place, right, Like, does the small person of people that scream on Twitter reflect the entire fan base? 00:04:03 Speaker 4: No? 00:04:04 Speaker 2: But oh my god, when that show Hey news came out, I've never seen this fan base in such unison. I mean you're talking not only were people in unison. I don't know the last time I saw people that furious Like this might have topped what people were saying after the fifty four percent stuff. People were mad and like beyond mad when those tweets came out. There's always people that say, oh, like I'm not gonna show up to the ballpark, like I'm gonna stop spending money. And again, this is a very small percentage of the fan base, but man, there were a lot of people saying things along those lines of I don't want to spend the money anymore, which is I don't know. That's a little bit telling. 00:04:42 Speaker 1: That portion of fan base could grow, could grow. We've heard it, you know, there have been calls. There have been people in our comments section saying no more money. And the longer this offseason drags out without notable moves, it's still early. They could still blow us away this offseason. But the news about show Hey, the news about the white whale, the news about the guy everyone wants the most and that people thought would be the most. If you're gonna get any of these free agent hitters here that actually make an impact, it would be him of all of them. Seems like it's not a reality and that's disappointing, and you know what I don't like. You know what I don't like when that news came out and when we talked about it on Friday, and some people were like, oh, well, Show Hay doesn't actually fix the Mariners problems. You need two to three to four players to fix the problems. I'm thinking, I'm like, why were the Mariners dh is good last year? 00:05:36 Speaker 2: No, And I'll throw a question back at you. Did the Mariners finish ten games out of a playoff spot last year? 00:05:41 Speaker 3: No? They didn't. 00:05:43 Speaker 2: No, they finished two wins behind the World Series champions and the team that perennially wins, the ao Wes and the Astros. No, if show Hey was on this team, Mariners run away with the al Wes last year. So sure they need to fill a few positions. The show Hey essentially fix their problems. I would say most of them. Yes, it would be nice to see them get two to three additional bats, but that one guy could do a whole whole lot. 00:06:10 Speaker 1: In conclusion, there's not been a sing I would say there's not been a single positive vibe check so far this offseason. We're three weeks in and there has been negative vibes, now net negative vibes. 00:06:22 Speaker 2: I will say, if you wanta still look glass somewhat half full. And there is some validity to this argument that maybe there's still a chance the Mariners are internally planning to go after Otani and the reason industry sources are saying what they're saying is because they feel like, based on what the Mariners have done in the past, it doesn't seem like they're interested in shelling out that type of money, which, again that very melt that very well might be what's going on. But I guess there's still a small percent chance that internally the Mariners are planning to go after them and they're just not telling anybody about it. So if you want to look at the positive here and try the look in a positive light, you could say, Okay, maybe that's what's happening. But the fact all this is getting reported by multiple sources not a great sign. 00:07:09 Speaker 3: No, it's it's uh, it's not a great side. It's disappointing. 00:07:12 Speaker 1: But we still get a lot of off season left, so buckle up and I would say, prepare not to be disappointed when he signed somewhere else. 00:07:21 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree. Unfortunately, I would agree. Okay, before we get into the Mariners first trade of the off season, quick word from our friends over at Pigotcha's Pub eighty five. Pagotcha's Pub eighty five in Kirkland, just east of four oh five, And what can you get if you head over there. You've heard it from us before you'll hear it again, you'll continue to hear it. They've got great food, great drinks, and a great environment to go watch a bunch of sports. They got twenty two TVs in the place. 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Okay, So not the blockbuster trade that everybody's anxiously waiting for from the Mariners, but they do make a trade here this past week, they go and get Luis Urius from the Boston Red Sox, a utility infielder in exchange for Isaiah Campbell as the reliever heads back to Boston. So initial thoughts and reaction to this trade are. 00:08:52 Speaker 3: What the Mariners. 00:08:53 Speaker 1: The Mariners found their platoon second baseman for the twenty twenty four season. When I look at that, that's what this is. This is a pairing with Josh Rojas. I'm gonna imagine he's in his career about thirty percent twenty percent better against left He's a one to thirteen WRC plus against left handed pitchers, about a ninety three versus right eas. 00:09:17 Speaker 3: He's a right handed hitting infielder. 00:09:20 Speaker 1: At his peak, he's gonna walk a bit above league gaverage. He's going to strike out a little bit under league average. He's gonna have an average too slightly above average power for an infielder, around twenty home runs a season. His defense is not great, he's versatile, he plays around the infield. I'm gonna guess he's gonna be playing at second base for the Mariners this season as the right handed hitting platoon opposite of Josh Rojas. If I'm gonna guess that this is what his role will be. He's a two win player in twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two before having an injury riddled season. Last season, had a hamstring injury and opening day got off to an atrocious star with the Brewers, got sent down to Triple A before the Red Sox acquired him, and then he was going to get non tendered this year because he was due about five million dollars in arbitration. And instead of him being non tendered and being a free agent, the Mariners swung a trade for him and said, thinking he's gonna pick it up and be more like his twenty one or twenty two self rather than his twenty twenty three self in his twenty twenty four season, I see a platoon second basement though. That's what I think about this. 00:10:27 Speaker 2: This to me says two things. Number one, it is a stop gap until potentially Ryan Bliss gets up, because you don't want to rely on a prospect to save the day for you or even play a huge role for you, because you don't know what he's gonna bring. Even if Bliss ends up being really good, just to bank on that, especially with a team that is trying to contend for a World Series and to get back into the playoffs, that's not the right that's not the right logic. So to get somebody somewhat proven makes sense. This also says to me, Jose Cabiiro's job is probably not safe next year. 00:10:59 Speaker 1: No, it's not like Urius is probably a higher floor version of kaby Are. 00:11:04 Speaker 3: They have very similar skill sets. 00:11:06 Speaker 1: It's like Cabby's probably a better defender, but both walk a lot. So like the one good thing about Urrias's offensive profile, like he's not gonna for a high average and he's not a huge power guy, so you're thinking, well, where's the value in that offensive profile. Well, he gets on base a decent amount, so does Cabby, but Urrias has had a bit more of a proven track record of hitting, especially hitting for power as well. And they're, you know, ballpark peak around a two win player each, So it works out. 00:11:35 Speaker 3: But you're right, his. 00:11:37 Speaker 1: Role is probably a little bit more up in the air, and I'm gonna guess they want Demo to be a little bit more free to back up in the outfield. If that's still what they feel like the role is for Dylan Moore. If I'm looking at this roster and see what fits the best, I think they want Dylan Moore more available to play in the outfield and play elsewhere beside second base. 00:11:55 Speaker 2: I think that's all fair. Now we should highlight Luis Urias did not have a good year in twenty twenty three, and I mean TJ highlighted it. He win got sent down a Triple A, eventually ended up with the Red Sox, but six thirty six ops for the year. He had an eighty three WRC plus. 00:12:10 Speaker 4: It was. 00:12:10 Speaker 2: It was not smooth sailing in twenty three for Luis Irius. Now, the two seasons before that they were much better. He put up two war seasons. His WRC plus was in the one ten range both of those years. So that is the version of the Luis Airias that the Mariners are hoping that they're going to acquire, and they're hoping he'll bounce back after a tough twenty three. But we should note he did not have a good season this past year. So they're trading for a guy that you're hoping for some production for but is not a guarantee to put up production because he didn't show it a year. 00:12:44 Speaker 3: Ago, and he's I mentioned his arbitration salary. 00:12:48 Speaker 1: That's not cheap for a guy with a who's coming off such a crummy season that he was, and for what you and I think the Mariner's budget is, it's not an inexpensive trade in any sense. They're trading a reliever in Isiah Campbell. You'll only have to replace about thirty innings. Isaiah was very good in twenty twenty three, and I'm sure the Mariners will miss him in the bullpen, and I hope he has a ton of success in Boston. But you know, twenty eight innings of what Isaiah Campbell did about a twenty eight percent strikeout rate at two to eighty RA. The Mariners have been proven to be able to replace that, So that's not really the issue there. But they are training for about five million dollars worth of salary, and Lowney. As much as we think the Mariners should spend as much money as they possibly can, they obviously don't. And five million dollars is quite a bit more money than the league minimum that Isaiah Campbell was making, and it makes their infield more expensive. It makes their second base position more expensive. And man, I do hope this doesn't hinder any moves because they have to pay five million dollars in arbitration. 00:13:53 Speaker 2: It better not. If they're holding back on making moves because of a four point seven million dollars salary, then you're the Oakland A's. So let's hope that doesn't really make a difference. I wouldn't think it's going to. Yes, close to five million dollars is not nothing, but it really should not make a difference in what they plan to do the rest of the offseason. 00:14:13 Speaker 3: No, it should not. 00:14:14 Speaker 1: If you want a little bit more optimism about a season. Once he finally is twenty twenty three season, once he finally got traded to Boston, it was a ninety eight WRC plus he got on base about thirty six percent of the time, which would be nice for the Mariners, especially for some of the production they got at second base last season. A three to sixty on base percentage would be pretty nice. He did play a little bit more of a utility role in Boston, but he was pretty healthy. And just to note that utility, I mean in his career, we're talking about a guy who's played one hundred ninety one games at third, one hundred and fifty eight at second, one hundred and forty one at short. He can play all three positions. Now, he might not play them well. He's a negative defender for his career, so I wouldn't get your expectations too high, but I don't think that'll sell the Mariners from putting them at all three spots that they feel like they need to. 00:15:04 Speaker 2: It provides some stability for JP Crawford if he ever needs a day off, if Gino needs a day off. I mean, remember Gino played every single game last year, which credit to Gino. But in case he needs a day, a d H or just a rest day, Furius can play third and again, not spectacularly because outside of twenty twenty he's never really been a stellar defender, but he can play the positions. And ultimately, why did they acquire him, well, because he fits the exact mold that Jerry Depoto talked about that they're looking for this offseason. They said, what do we want? We want to cut down on strikeouts, We want to get on Basemore. Luis Sirius walks a lot. He only strikes out about twenty to twenty two percent of the time on a yearly basis. So let me put it like this, when Jerry Depoto said at the GM meetings a couple of weeks ago that they're looking for this type of hitter, that they're looking for guys to cut down on the strikeout rate and get on base more. We talked about we want to see that Mo fit into the types of Yondi Diaz for the Mariners, which is the extreme. But players like that who can not strike out a lot, walk a lot and also provide impact. But when Jerry Depoto said that at the meetings, like Luis Urias is the perfect example of a player who pops into everybody's heads in terms of what Jerry was talking about and what they think Jerry was talking about, because this is who he is. He is a guy that doesn't hit for a lot of forces. He walks, he gets on base, he doesn't strike out a lot. So it's fine if he's gonna be the fourth or fifth bat that you acquire this winner. The problem is, I don't have a lot of confidence that they're gonna go get two to three bats significantly better than Ureus and he's not. 00:16:43 Speaker 1: He doesn't exactly raise the floor or raise the ceiling of this Mariner's offense. 00:16:48 Speaker 2: I don't think, no, it's kind of a nothing burger trade, or I shouldn't say nothing burger because Isaiah Campbell was good last year. Obviously, the Mariners can replace relievers pretty easily these days. But that's not to say that Isaiah Campbell didn't provide value last year, because he did. He was really good in the second half. So it's not a nothing burger. But it's kind of one of those trades that, Okay, it just doesn't move the needle that much. Hopefully Eureus can put up a two war season and hit a little bit better than he did in twenty twenty three with the Mariners and can provide a little bit of value, but it's just not going to light the world on fire. And then, look, there's a couple of the things Ureus does well, Like he hits lefties. I know you mentioned that he actually has hit fastballs pretty well the last couple of years when you look at his run value against fastballs on Baseball Savant. But he's not a player that is going to come in here and make an All Star game. That's that's just not who he is. 00:17:40 Speaker 1: I did see some conspiracies floated out there that this could signal, this might be to give the Mariners the depth they need to trade Aohenio Swarz away, which. 00:17:51 Speaker 3: H I don't know. 00:17:53 Speaker 1: I don't know if I'd be trading him just because you acquire Luis Sirius. So it just it presents a very interesting log jam on the Mariners infield that they have too many infielders, and they it's not only do they have too many infielders, they have too many infielders who all look the same and all have the same production. 00:18:12 Speaker 2: And by and by look the same, you mean same profile between correct Rias, Cabierro you could throw in there. I put Rojas a step above these guys. I think Rojas was. I think Rojas was a step above these guys from what he didn't see. I put up a six thirty six ops for the year, Like what what wrong? 00:18:36 Speaker 1: I mean, Josh Rojas was worth negative wins when the Mariners acquired him this year. 00:18:40 Speaker 3: But what are we arguing about? 00:18:43 Speaker 2: I think he's okay, he's a slight step above how about that? 00:18:47 Speaker 1: Okay, But if it's only slight then he still fits. That's not like, not far not a big enough gap. 00:18:54 Speaker 2: Okay, So point being, yes, they have too many infielders that probably don't hit for enough true force. Yeah, I don't know what trading Gino away would do other than I guess free up a logjam, because I know, while Gino has the strikeout issues, that's trading away your second best infielder. I'm not putting Raleigh in the like infield quote unquote no dynamic here. No, that would be essentially trading away your second most productive infielder for what like the offense gets worse if you trade Geno away. I know, I know they need to be adding bats, not subtracting. 00:19:31 Speaker 1: I know, and hopefully here in the future significantly higher ceiling bats. 00:19:36 Speaker 3: Than that of Louis Sirius. 00:19:37 Speaker 1: Because again, the needle doesn't move for me all that much with this, I don't know if this really makes the Mariners better. It might give them more options if guys go down with injury, but overall it just kind of kind of shrugs, like, well, the combination, like the combination of Josh Rojas and Luis Urius essentially gives you what you thought you were gonna get with worse defense from Holton Wong last season what you thought you were gonna get and see how that turned out. Lyle an abject fucking disaster last season with Colton Loong like that, they're essentially if you're gonna pair those two together, it seems like that's what's trying to be replicated here. I mean both with the power profile, with the walk profile, with the average profile, and kind of what the defense profile like that is what you're gonna get. And I'm gonna say I have some PTSD from last year and the confidence levels not sky high. 00:20:31 Speaker 2: They have serious work to do this Winner. They need they have significant They have significant moving that they need to do with this offense because they have got to move some rocks to really get some bats into this lineup. Like you said, this trade's kind of it is what it is. It's not gonna move the needle that much. It'll give them more options, but it's not it's not the true needle mover that you need. So go out more this winner, please like like god, significant. 00:21:00 Speaker 3: Baths, yep, YEP. 00:21:02 Speaker 1: I will preach that before we get to our interview with Paul Sylvie. Let's get a word from Betterhelp is something interfering with your happiness or preventing you from achieving your goals. Regardless if you have a clinical mental health issue like depression or anxiety, or if you're just a human who lives in this world who's going through a hard time. Therapy can give you the tools to approach your life in a very different way. And that's why I'm excited to tell you about today's sponsor, better Help. 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If there's any way for you to digest this interview, I recommend you go watch it on YouTube. Paul pulled out all the stops on his end in this interview to give us a TV quality feed on his end. 00:22:33 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm serious. 00:22:34 Speaker 1: It looked like Paul Sylvie reporting from King five News on the television camera on our YouTube channel during this interview, So I mean, he looked great. This is the best produced from a guest's end, no offense to the other ones, best produced on the guests end that we've ever had. So shout out to Paul and the people at King five for making this happen for us. 00:22:57 Speaker 3: It was a really cool conversation with Paul. 00:23:00 Speaker 2: He looked great and he sounded great for anybody that's listened to Paul Sylvie throughout the years, Like you know, he's very upbeat, he's energetic, he's always smiling. That's how he is in person too, like who he is on air. Is very much who he is in real life. Like getting to talk to him a little bit at the game, certainly getting to talk to him during this interview. He's very positive. Now, he was not so positive on the idea that the Mariners will sign show Hey Otani. I think his I think he is more of a pessimist in that regard, and you can listen to that part of the conversation. But just talking to Paul as a whole awesome guy, very knowledgeable. He's been in the market forever, and like TJ mentioned at the start of the podcast, he's got a very very cool Ken Griffy Junior story that we recommend you stick around to the end. 00:23:41 Speaker 4: Four. 00:23:42 Speaker 1: So with that, let's get to our conversation with Paul Sylvie. 00:23:48 Speaker 2: All Right, We've got Paul Sylvie on with us. He's an anchor for King five. He's the host of the fifth Quarter, the Seahawks postgame show, and we're really excited to have him on. Paul, I wanted to call something back with you because when reading a little bit about you and reading a little bit of your bio, you talked about one of your favorite memories here covering Seattle sports was in the ninety five playoffs for the Mariners or those first two games out in New York against the Yankees. So my first question with that is your favorite moment and all your time here are two losses, like, like, can you dive in on that? For us? 00:24:19 Speaker 4: Absolutely? 00:24:20 Speaker 5: Man, I mean I'm just I'm a sports fan, you know, and people say, you know, it didn't it didn't matter to me really which team won or which team lost. Even over my thirty years here, it doesn't matter to me if a Seattle team loses or wins, because I just enjoy the moment. I always say, you know, I just want to see a close game. When it comes to college football in this area, you know, Washington, Washington State, I don't want to see a blowout. So I just want to see it good competition at good games. And when we're there sitting in the Bronx and watching all that action, you know, I was fortunate enough to just take it all in. Like you're in the old Yankee stadium, not the new one, the old Woe where all that history is, and you're listening to these New York Yankee fans just ripping into the Mariners, ripping into their own play and I'm out. You know, we're in the auxiliary press box, so we're not in the main press box. We're just TV out of towners. 00:25:06 Speaker 4: Man. 00:25:06 Speaker 5: They stuck us out in the seats, which was great for me because then you could just sit in there and become a fan, and it was cool just to listen to everybody and watch everything around me. Instead of just being in this glass fish bowl watching out a window. I got to take it all in. So it just took that experience of being a sports reporter, so to speak, to another level. 00:25:25 Speaker 4: So it was very cool. Man. 00:25:26 Speaker 5: It's a piece of history that you tell you two young lads you'll never be able to experience that. 00:25:31 Speaker 4: But for me, that was pretty cool. 00:25:33 Speaker 2: Man. 00:25:33 Speaker 4: I'm an old guy and it was cool to be back in that city. 00:25:36 Speaker 1: I'm gonna take a guess you couldn't report any of the stuff they were telling Griffy on the. 00:25:40 Speaker 5: End, we see, that's what the cool thing was like. It was just all, you know, just r rated. 00:25:46 Speaker 2: Man. 00:25:47 Speaker 5: They're just just swearing and and and taking it to another level, maybe personal with the family and things like that, and you just shake your head and go, man, I can't believe these guys. They don't care who they're yelling. If someone does something wrong, they're gonna hear about it from these fans. 00:26:03 Speaker 4: So uh yeah, it was. 00:26:04 Speaker 5: It was that it was just being part of that playoff atmosphere in a historic, heralded stadium like Yankee Stadium. 00:26:12 Speaker 1: But if we're talking about I guess like you mentioned the story of the game, not caring who wins and who loses, I mean the story of that whole series though. What was happened when they got back to Seattle though, wasn't it for for for just like the riveting, like first ever postseason series win for a franchise, and you know, a dog pile at home plate and and and a walk off, like that's all that you want to write. 00:26:36 Speaker 5: Well, sure, I mean that that adds to what I'm talking about. I mean, we go back to the Kingdome, down to nothing, and it's like, you know, if you're thinking, oh, they're just gonna wrap this up, the Yankees have three games to put this away and they never do. So you know the fact that you're watching it night after night after night and you're seeing this whole drama build again adds to what I'm talking about. I mean it didn't matter who won those games. To me, it was just thisrement, this build up for the Seattle sports fans to watch their team finally finally win a playoff series and beat the Yankees. At it was was the cream of. 00:27:08 Speaker 4: The cherry on top of the of the cake, so to speak. So it was very cool. 00:27:15 Speaker 2: What is it about New York sports fans? Just to go back to that for a second, because it feels like nothing has changed in all these years. I mean even fast forward to now, and when Joey Gallo was on the Yankees a couple of years ago, the stories were by the end he just wasn't leaving his apartment because fans, not just at the stadium were giving him such a hard time. But he couldn't walk out on the street. And it sounds like when you were covering the Yankee or the Mariners in the nineties and when you were out in the Bronx it was no different. 00:27:39 Speaker 5: Well yeah, I mean, it's it just goes generations there. You know, there's generations of Yankees fans, just like there's you know, there's so much more history in the Yankees, obviously than the Mets. So it's all about the Yankees, and they're just die hard fans, and you know, they don't care if if you know, if a player plays all the night before, they don't care if if he stinks it up the next night, he's gonna hear about it. 00:28:03 Speaker 4: And you know, I kind of look at. 00:28:05 Speaker 5: That that Philly series this year and watching, you know, watching the Phillies play the Diamondbacks and and then watching them knock off the Braves. It was like the Phillies just watching on TV gave you that moment where you're like, well, this is really cool. How cool would it be to be sitting in that stadium watching this team, watching these home runs go out, watching. 00:28:24 Speaker 4: This place go nuts. You could feel it through your television. 00:28:26 Speaker 5: Imagine what that'd be like if you were sitting in those stands, feeling it watching it in person. And uh that it's just there's just something about a team with a lot of history and their fans. They're a loyal bunch man and uh and they live and die by their teams. So so that's that's basically what it is. 00:28:44 Speaker 2: How different do you think it was from the final week of the year here in seatle because I know you were out at the Ballpark a little bit that final week, and obviously the Mariners were playing from behind a little bit that week. They were trying to get into the postseason and jump a couple of teams, but it was still pretty much a packed house every night, Like, like, what did you take away from that final week of the year and from what this from what you're talking about with the Phillies and that series in Philly, Like, how do you feel like the two compares well? 00:29:08 Speaker 5: I mean, the final week of the season was exciting, but you know, you're sitting there and you're you're you're wondering. As you know, you guys follow this team, you know, day in and day out, so you know a lot about what's going on when it comes from the top of the you know, and from the management down to the players, uh, and into that dugout and you know you're watching it, You're you're wondering. You know, they they really played so well in August and just tore it up and then you wonder if they have enough to get to the finish line, and they didn't. They didn't have enough hitting and uh and their pitching falter. So, uh, this is a team that is you know, They're pitching staff is the envy of many Major League teams, maybe maybe most, if not just a couple that just envy the staff and the fact that these guys have so many great young arms. They have the pitching, they just need some some hitting. And you know, when you're the cool thing about this, And I'll take you back to the hist again issue to where you know, like I said to to, we've experienced some things in this town to you guys. I don't even know if you guys were even born yet when they were playing these these playoff games. And I say that in just of course, but when the Yankees were here with Roger Clemens and the Mariners had Alex Rodriguez and the team they had back in one and the fact that at the time Safegold Field was just packed, and that walking to that stadium for that series was very cool, you know, because it was a playoff atmosphere. It was just so much fun to be a part of. And so when I go back to you go across the street here just a few months ago, when you see that kind of crowd and that kind of excitement around a baseball game, because this town would do anything to rally around its baseball team NFL is King. I always say that, but this town wanted so badly for its baseball team to rise back up after twenty some odd years, to get to this point. 00:30:54 Speaker 4: And it showed because they showed out. 00:30:57 Speaker 5: Even during the week during the weekday games that that don't expect big crowds, and they were just we can see the stadium right outside the window here at King TV, and it's just people just filing in and the excitement was building and it was a lot of fun. 00:31:09 Speaker 4: So, you know, you know, we. 00:31:12 Speaker 5: To top that off, you're talking about the AO West and people were like, oh, you don't want the Astros, yeah or Rangers, when yeah, we do, Yeah you do. I mean I played in the Mid American Conference back in the day, and when a team from the Mid American Conference would go and play in a bowl game, You're like, of course you want that. 00:31:26 Speaker 4: Team to win. 00:31:27 Speaker 5: They represent your conference and I and this goes back to me just being kind of neutral. It's like, this tells the fans across the country just how difficult it was for this Mariner's team to get through its division. I mean, the AO West was brutal this year and Rangers has tore it up. They we all knew they needed pitching. Well they got that pitching last offseason, and they had the bats already, so you knew they were going to be trouble. And the Astros are always trouble. So you're talking about if you throw in the Mariner, you're sure without the top three teams in baseball right there, all in one division. So I think it was cool just to a cap on it that the Rangers won the World Series, because it's good for the division. 00:32:02 Speaker 1: And Paul, I think you can relate in this back to your playing days, but not only I mean, not only does it represent you better if those other teams play better, but also encourage you to get better. And that's why so many what so many people are just grabbing for this offseason for this baseball team, but really for any team in a division, a conference, et cetera. When the other teams around you are playing better and you're still expected to be good, it just tells you, hey, we need to get that much better. And I think for you, I guess in your career as well, especially as a former athlete, that you know I have to be that much better. 00:32:34 Speaker 5: Sure, I mean it's what goes back to just what Cal Raley said right after that series ended, right after they were they were eliminated. You know, he came out and said some things about the organization where they need better players, they need more players, and you know, it comes down to evaluating talent. And the Texas Rangers went out. Of course, people went right on social and they started ripping the Mariners because how come the Rangers lost one hundred games two years ago and now they're winning the World Series. Why do the Mariners have to take so long to get good enough to get to the postseason? And sometimes it's just luck, you know, sometimes you spend money on a player and it doesn't work out. The Marions have that experience. So do other teams. They have experiences of signing players that just just implode and they lose their money. And it's all guaranteed in baseball, so you know, you you basically, you know, you look at what Cal said that day, and this team needs to get better and they know they're not good enough. They weren't they were that series. The Rangers talk about that series, that last weekend series in Seattle as one of their galvanizing moments where they came together and figured it out and got themselves ready for a postseason run. 00:33:40 Speaker 4: And we sure saw that. 00:33:41 Speaker 5: So, uh, this team needs to get better and you guys probably talk about it all the time as far as possible signings in the offseason. Who else can they bring in the power of their lineup? And then the other thing is this guys, let's face it, this is a young squad with some guys that underachieved early in the season. They need to have those guys take their game up another level. So we have some good young talent on this team, but each year they got to get better as well. 00:34:03 Speaker 3: What's King five got prepared for? When sons for what. 00:34:09 Speaker 4: You your mind? You are out of your mind if you think he's coming here, So you don't think so, no, no way. I said it right from. 00:34:19 Speaker 5: The right out of the gate, even if he could pitch still, because I mean people are saying, oh, yeah, he's gonna he's gonna pitch, He's gonna be the same guy. 00:34:26 Speaker 4: He's not gonna be the same guy. He's just not. It's you know, it would be a. 00:34:29 Speaker 5: Miracle if that guy came back and through like he did to start the season. So I have no faith at all that he's going to be a Mariner. Uh, you know you're talking about you know what I've. 00:34:39 Speaker 4: Said my piece. 00:34:39 Speaker 5: I won't even give you guys any more seconds about it, much less minutes and. 00:34:44 Speaker 4: Hours about it. 00:34:45 Speaker 5: You tell me why you think he's going to be on this team, like do you are you just dreaming? 00:34:50 Speaker 2: Partly? 00:34:51 Speaker 3: I also, i'd say probably said it's fair. 00:34:54 Speaker 2: I also think they were the runner ups last time, so clearly there was some interest. I think the West Coast thing plays some part into it. I think the last three seasons with ninety wins, ninety wins, eighty eight wins show that they're not the team they used to be. I also think again, like if he wants to go to the Dodgers or the Braves, like it got reported today, like like sure, you can go to a team that's already a juggernaut, but they have history. They have like so much history in their franchise already. I don't know if he came here and he won a World Series, he'd be like, that's like legendary status in this city for the rest of the time, where he'd have that in other cities. But I don't think it'd be the same as winning it here in Seattle. That there, there's my pitch. 00:35:30 Speaker 4: For you, paul Ah, Right, what about you, TJ. 00:35:33 Speaker 3: It reflects most of what it is. 00:35:35 Speaker 1: But I would say in the end, it's gonna come down to a combination of do they think the investment is worth it? And you know, I would think, you know, like the people who run baseball teams, and especially with these owners, they've amassed so much money and so much success in their life doing whatever they've done, Like, I feel like they got to realize when there's a good business opportunity in front of them, even if they don't necessarily one hundred percent care about winning, Like we think John Stanton cares about winning, but we're not totally certain because the money's not always there to back it up. But when you look at what a guy like sho hey Otani brings in terms of marketing, in terms of press, and in terms of advertising in the stadium, I mean that alone should sell you. Let alone with the fact he's probably the greatest. He is arguably one of the greatest baseball players to ever step on a baseball diamond. I'm not sure what else needs to be pitched beyond that. For these guys to say, hey, we need to give it our best shot now show he might just think, like, you know what, this is an unserious organization. I'm not going to give them the time of day. That's entirely fair. But you know what, he wouldn't tell us that until he gives us his action and goes out in size. If he goes and signs with the Texas Rangers, I think that he might. He probably thinks that I wouldn't be shocked because the Rangers don't have any of the past stuff that Lyle mentioned of why he thought they were a good fit in the first place. So but if he if he's willing to go play in Texas with that cultural fit, then that I think tells you all you need to know. 00:37:00 Speaker 4: Now I'm done interviewing you too, well. 00:37:03 Speaker 1: Paul, I had a question. I would say, kind of branching off into your career a little bit, so I would say for most of your career, whether playing or reporting, the two pillars, I would say football like Seahawks, you know, the big NFL is king at King five, and soccer as well. I mean you played and you know you guys do a ton of sounders coverage as well. Where does baseball work in for what you do and how you've covered sports in your career. 00:37:32 Speaker 5: You know, I've always said that my favorite sports are Football is one, Hockey is one a and then it goes. 00:37:40 Speaker 4: I love soccer. 00:37:40 Speaker 5: I played it through, you know, into college before transferring, and I'm a huge fan of soccer. 00:37:46 Speaker 4: I watch it all the time. 00:37:47 Speaker 5: I record games all the time, and people think I'm nuts for doing it, but that's just I just love the sport. Baseball is a casual pastime for me. I love hanging out at T Mobile Park. I love watching the games in the summer and just enjoying the action. I love that the talent and the personalities on that team now, because you know that that wasn't always the case in my thirty years here. You know, the marriage would go through these these times where guys on the roster weren't that interesting, Guys on the roster didn't ingratiate themselves to the fans, and fans never got to really know them or any little piece of their personality. And and so it's tough in baseball in that case. So when you get a good group of players like they have now, it's pretty cool because they're young, they're exciting and uh and they and they're they're good talkers, you know, they show their emotions. So I like this squad they have right now and they're the Mariners, a very likable team. But as far as baseball is a sport, you know, I got a producer here that loves baseball and he has MLB Network on all the time, and it's just like white noise up here in the TV. 00:38:41 Speaker 4: You know, it's kind of cool. 00:38:42 Speaker 5: You know, that keeps me up to data on some things that might be happening that I don't really care about or I know of it. 00:38:46 Speaker 4: It's not really on my radar. 00:38:48 Speaker 5: But to be honest with you, you know, baseball's it's it's a fun sport in the summer and it gets me to football season. 00:38:56 Speaker 2: So who's your favorite soccer player? 00:38:58 Speaker 4: Oh? 00:38:59 Speaker 5: All time and all so for sure Christiano Ronaldo. Uh, people say Lionel Messi's is is better than him. I like the power guys, the bigger guys. This guy's so good in the air. You know, you see him going and go up in the box and head these goals and you're just like, man, how does he get up the Ronaldo is is my guy for sure, and I wish he was ten years ago so I could watch him for ten more years. But he's at the end of his career. But he's hands down my favorite kind of player and definitely my favorite player. 00:39:29 Speaker 1: So how early in advance are you scheduling coverage or fandom for the World Cup and a little two years. 00:39:37 Speaker 4: Two and a half years now. 00:39:38 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a little it's a little early, you know, like, you know, because there's there's still still some unknowns, but it's yeah, I don't I'm not sure far how far out we'll we'll start talking about that, but but it's it's on our radar for sure. And I'm more excited about what the Sounders are doing with their organization and and the fact that they have a whole new head orders set up, you know, property they're gonna build around it. 00:40:02 Speaker 4: They're gonna build up around it, you know. 00:40:04 Speaker 5: And as good as Starfire has been for youth soccer and uh, and there their purposes up until now, the Sounders purposes, they deserve to have their own little setup and uh, and they're doing a nice job. To me, it's long overdue, so it's gonna be nice when that's finally done and that'll be ready for the World Cup for sure. So that's part of the reason that that's that the push behind getting that developed. 00:40:26 Speaker 2: I know you grew up in the state of Michigan too, like and you mentioned hockey. Did you grow up a big Detroit sports plan, Detroit sports fan and with that a big Red Wings fan. 00:40:35 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I was a huge still am a huge Red Wings fan. I'm a casual Tigers fan because I just you know, I was in college when they won the World Series, uh in eighty four and smoked the Padres and just rolled through that season and uh, that was a lot of fun because I mean I could name guys on that team that would just bore you to death. 00:40:51 Speaker 4: That eighty four. 00:40:52 Speaker 5: Team was was kind of like my era where I was like dialed in and uh. But so yeah, when it comes to Detroit sports and a lot fan. But it's Red Wings at the top for sure. Lions Pistons are at the bottoms. That just don't they're not They've been bad for so many years. I was a huge Bad Boys fan back in the day in the nineties. But uh, but no, I'm a big Detroit sports fan. And you know what, it's my it's my home state, it's my hometown and and uh, you know, and. 00:41:18 Speaker 4: People say, oh, why do you like to people? 00:41:19 Speaker 5: You see people around here representing their cities and their hometowns, like it's cool, man, We're all sports fans. And I'm a I'm a I'm a big Seahawks fan as well. But when the Lions play the Seahawks, you know, I'm I'm probably gonna pull for the Seahawks because you know, I kind of I work with them. I like when the Seahawks win because it makes my job easier. Let's be honest, when they win, my job's a lot more fun. 00:41:41 Speaker 4: Just like you guys. 00:41:42 Speaker 5: You know, if you're talking to teams and players who win, it makes our jobs a lot easier. And so when their success, uh, you know, it's cool. So the Lions have not had zero success over thirty years here, and they did the Seahawks a favor last year. So so yeah, I'm a I'm a Detroit sports fan. 00:41:59 Speaker 4: But my point is when you go back. 00:42:01 Speaker 5: To Detroit, Chicago, New York, Philadelphia, those are huge sports towns with so much history and uh, and now Seattle's become that great sports town because they're gonna an NBA team again here in a couple of years, and you're gonna have all the sports represented here. You've got great college sports here. So this is a pretty cool place to work. 00:42:18 Speaker 1: What was that like coming out here then to the Pacific Northwest and seeing that thirty years ago? 00:42:25 Speaker 5: You know what, I'll tell you when I came out here, like you know, they had Loop Panela, you know, so that was that was automatically automatically drawing me to the Mariners, Griffy you know, you know, I came in here right then, you know, like when when Griffy was basically just starting out and that was cool. So that that was helpful for me and the Mariners and watching them play, I'll tell you what, watching Gary Payton and Sean Camp that was my Those were my favorite times because the Seahawks weren't that great. They had uh, Tom Flores, Dennis ericson. They kind of struggled through the nineties until Mike Homgan got here and then my world just went you know, we got the Homegroun Show. I got to sit down with Mike after all those games, and he's so awesome. He's just like Pete Carroll was so lucky to work with those two guys over the last many years, and so that when when Mike Homganna arrived for the Seahawks, my world just went pow. 00:43:19 Speaker 4: And then. 00:43:20 Speaker 5: But I'll tell you what, I never really liked the NBA until I saw Gary and Sean hook up in the nineties where Alley oops everywhere, crashing jams, the rain Man GP and and all their little all their supporting cast as well for those teams. And George carl was an awesome coach and an awesome SoundBite, so always the most quotable NBA coach of that era. And so that covering the Sonics in the Seahawks at that time was really just kind of a you know, I just put me in this community and said, man, this is a pretty cool place to work. 00:43:54 Speaker 1: What about the Sportstown feeling you mentioned, Hey, those East Coast cities, they've been around a long time. They have long standing diehard fan bases. Did you get that feeling when you came here or is that feeling had to grow over time? 00:44:06 Speaker 4: No? 00:44:06 Speaker 5: No, I didn't get that feeling at all. And you know, Seattle had the reputation of just back in winners. I mean, come on, I was back in Detroit watching the Tigers play the Mariners at ten thirty at night, back in Michigan, and there's nobody in the Kingdom. It's empty, and it's like, you know, it's it's it's it's you can see this team is struggling. The fans aren't backing them. And then all of a sudden they get some stars and the fans aren't coming around, so they want to see these stars performed. 00:44:31 Speaker 4: So you know that that part of it. 00:44:34 Speaker 5: No, No, Seattle sports fans, I've always had that reputation to be in fair Weather, and over the last thirty years, they've gone from maybe down here on the on the spectrum to up here now because they you know, Pete Carroll Era has been awesome for the Seahawks and all their fans and and you know, the Sounders fans are so darn loyal. They stand the whole game in this poor and rain, and it's just know, I love the fact that, you know, I will say that over the last ten years this I think the Seattle sports fan base has has risen in credibility for sure. I mean, they're not just fair Weather fans anymore. Uh, they support their teams. And and I'm not just saying that. You know, I've watched it. 00:45:15 Speaker 4: You know what. 00:45:15 Speaker 5: I already told you. They were not that those kind of fans in that first decade I was here. But as time went on and they started caring more about their teams because there's a lot more passion in this town about about some of these teams, and uh, you know, and and and it shows. So it's and that's another thing that makes our job fun. You know when we get to go to the ballpark. You guys have been there. You know how much fun it is to go into a place when it's packed. 00:45:38 Speaker 4: Uh. 00:45:38 Speaker 5: And I will say this, man, there's nothing more fun to me than a Mariners Blue Jays series at T Mobile Park. I mean, those Canadian fans come down there, they support that team and it's just it's like just bam bam bam for three or four games over a weekend. That is an awesome atmosphere. 00:45:53 Speaker 4: People. 00:45:54 Speaker 5: You can have the Yankees, you can have the Red Sox, when the Blue Jays come to Seattle, to me, that's the best series of the summer. 00:46:00 Speaker 2: So we did some fan interviews well throughout the year but with Blue Jays fans specifically when they were in town, and the best one we got all year was from some crazy Blue Jays fan that was out in the pen and he was he was ripping the Mariners and saying they were garbage, and he was saying like, like, this is our home park and all this stuff, and if that isn't that series in a nutshell, then I don't know what it is, because I'm with you, Like Yankee fans flood in for those series, Dodger fans like flood in Red Sox fans, et cetera. Just different when it's the Blue Jays because you don't hear like the media and fans around the ballpark saying when those other teams come into the park, it's like, oh, like they're taken over, like they have fans, but they don't take over. Those Blue Jays fans like legitimately take over and they flock down for that series. So I'm with you, like that series every year feels like a playoff series. 00:46:47 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, totally. 00:46:48 Speaker 5: I mean people come here to watch the Yankee stars. I mean Toronto is that they have some young stars now but they didn't back in the day. And the Yankees have always have. You know, three or four big name guys come in the town, Red Sox, two Dodgers. Of course, a lot of Giants fans come up and watch the watch their team play. But there's nothing like you know, Listen, I went, I roomed with a couple of hockey players in at Bowling Green and uh, watching Canadian fans and watching that happen. Man, those guys we were all in and uh, and you watch their baseball fans come to town and they are all in. So it's uh, it's fun to be around, for sure. And I swear by that series every year for sure. 00:47:26 Speaker 1: Okay, Paul, deep thinking question, what's your favorite story you've done? 00:47:32 Speaker 5: Come on, man, I've been here for thirty years. You think I can just rattle off my favorite story? 00:47:37 Speaker 4: Let me see? How about I told you go ahead? 00:47:40 Speaker 2: How about favorite Mariner story? How's that? 00:47:42 Speaker 4: Why I gave you my my my favorite? 00:47:45 Speaker 5: I think one of my favorite stories is this because when Griffy was here, he would always you know, I'm just I'll just don't mind telling you what how it is. But when Griffy was here at first, when he first got here and I first got here, I would watch him turn down interview after interview after interview, and it wouldn't be the nicest turned down either. It'd be you know, sometimes laced with a little with a curse word or something. 00:48:12 Speaker 4: And we would be sitting there going why why doesn't this guy want to talk? 00:48:15 Speaker 5: And one time I got tired of it and I said, you know, because you know, at one point it's kind of man to man. It's just like, hey, man. I walked up to I put my hand on his shoulder. I said, what's the deal, So why don't you why don't you want to talk to him? As he was walking back in the dugout and I have my photographer with me, and he said, he said what, And I said, We're not going to sit here and do a documentary on you. We're not going to grill you. There's nothing to grill you about. We just want to have a few questions we did before the game. We're not going to ask you every game for an interview, but every home stand maybe we have a quick, quick interview with you. And I was trying to just talk to him, and he stopped and he turned around. 00:48:52 Speaker 4: He says, Okay, what do you want to know? 00:48:54 Speaker 5: And from that point on, I was able to sit with him in the dugout. 00:49:00 Speaker 4: This is not just this is not me a pump blowing my horn at all. 00:49:04 Speaker 5: This is about you going up to a grown man and saying hey, grown young man and saying, hey man, what's the problem and calling him out on it. And he basically saw that and realized he was being, you know, kind of a jerk and changed his tune. And from that point on we had a mutual respect with each other. Look, when I got to take going, I'm not going to his house for a birthday party or going out for drinks for them. 00:49:27 Speaker 4: I don't want to be his pal. 00:49:29 Speaker 5: I just want to be able to work with him because fans want to hear from him. And from that point on, we set up a lot of different interviews prior to game day where I would say I'm meeting the dug out at two thirty before you start stretching, and he said cool. So we would go on the dugout and I'd meet him for an interview and we'd get it done and I'd be that and it wouldn't be it would only be three or four questions, that's all. It's not a documentary like I said, so, and that allowed me to go to his house in Florida and do a half hour special with him and his wife. And so that turned into a half hour special that ran on a Sunday night. And back then there weren't a lot of choices on television, so it got good numbers because you know, like I said, now there's millions of choices out there. So we did a half hour special with Griffy, and he said, I wanted to sit down with Melissa, his wife, and ask him herson interviews, you know, just some some corny interview questions like husband wife stuff. And he said, if you beat me in pool, I'll let you talk to her. Well, it turns out he stinks at pool. I'm bad at pool, but he stunk at pool. And I was like, once he started taking shots, I'm like, oh, I got this d I got this guy. 00:50:30 Speaker 4: For sure. 00:50:31 Speaker 5: On my worst day, I could beat him in pool. And I think he knew that. So I beat him in pool and I got to sit down on the couch with his wife and talk to her about him. And so if that was pretty much that was a cool moment for me being able to. 00:50:43 Speaker 2: Do that, is it do you think just you being kind of like brash is what resonated with him, when when you kind of got on a good term with him all the way back when. 00:50:53 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think there's too many people that walk around on eggshells, you know. Loop Penella scared me, man, I mean I even after a win, I was afraid to ask him a question. But he was a scary dude, an intimidating guy, and I saw him blow up a couple of times after losses. 00:51:08 Speaker 4: I didn't want any part of that. Same with Bob Knight. 00:51:10 Speaker 5: I love Bob Knight, but I'm glad I never had to work with him and in the Indiana basketball program, because man, I would be intimidated for sure. But with Griffy for some reason, you know, I just I knew I was going to be in this town for a while. I knew he was going to be in this town for a while. I'm like, this is not the way it should be. And he was cool with it. It's not like I called him out. And these were kids kind of like stopped and made him think for a second about what he was talking about. And he actually became good friends with my photographer, who was, you know, less you know, less intimidating and less intrusive to Griffy, He's like, you know. And Jay Buner was tight with my photographer Scott McLaughlin and Scotty got started getting all these guys phone numbers and and you know, just just chatting with them all the time off camera. And I remember Jay Buner after winning a playoff game, he came up and did a postgame show with us, and I said, hey, Jay, thanks for coming on. And Jay and I are friends and became friends after this, but he said, don't thank me, thanks Scotty, And I'm like, okay, you know, because he came on because of our photographer, because he respected Scotty and he came onto our show and that's how that all started. 00:52:15 Speaker 4: That's how my relationship with Jay Buner started. 00:52:17 Speaker 5: So it's cool to see, like even my present day photographer, Alan Reid, he'll go to Seahawks, he'll go to Mariners, he'll go to training camp, he'll go to spring training. 00:52:24 Speaker 4: They all know him. They don't know me. 00:52:26 Speaker 5: From squad, but they might know me a little bit from from the guy on TV. But they know Alan because he's at practice all the time. And and that's cool. You know, it's cool to watch that relationship. You know, Alan could go up to Julio Rodriguez at a before games, Hey, Julio, can we talk to you real quick? No problem at all, because he feels like he knows it. So that's kind of a long winded response to your question, but it's just kind of cool how this this whole sports world works. You gotta be cool. You got to be You can't be a jerk. You just have to be just be a good Just be authentic. I always tell people, just be authentic. You know, like when I saw you guys in the ballpark that day, you know, I was like, I genuinely was interested in what you had to say in your podcast and everything that you're doing now. And it's cool to see young people going out and starting those things and taking the bull by the horns and being aggressive and hungry and wanting to start things from the ground up. That's a credit to you guys. It's a cool thing to learn about and hear about. And so it's just all about being authentic. If you're authentic. I was authentic that day with Ken Griffy Junior. I wasn't gonna kiss his butt and I was just authentic, you know, and he saw that, and he's like, this guy seems genuine, I'll talk to him. 00:53:32 Speaker 4: That's that's how I believe that happened. 00:53:34 Speaker 2: It's a really cool story. I really, I really enjoyed getting to hear that, and I think both of us really enjoyed getting to talk to here for the last thirty minutes, because this has been a blast. 00:53:42 Speaker 4: Paul. 00:53:42 Speaker 2: Really, we've enjoyed hearing all your stories. We've enjoyed talking mariners with you. I've enjoyed I really enjoyed getting to know it over that last week at the ballpark a little bit, and this has all been great. So really we appreciate the time and hopefully we can do this again soon. 00:53:54 Speaker 4: Well, thanks Lyle, thanks TJ. 00:53:56 Speaker 5: Thanks for having me on man, And if you guys ever need me to fill some time you know where to go, just shoot. 00:54:02 Speaker 4: Me an email and I'll jump back on with you. 00:54:04 Speaker 5: But I appreciate you let me talk a little bit about my life as well, So I appreciate that. 00:54:09 Speaker 4: Thank you. 00:54:12 Speaker 2: Hope you enjoyed the conversation with Paul Sylvie. Awesome guy, fantastic to talk to, and he's filled with a bunch of great stories, so we hope you enjoyed listening to him. With that, that'll just about wrap up this edition of the Marine Layer Podcast. You guys know the drill. You want to listen to the full form podcast, you can do so on Apple, Spotify, Google and Amazon wherever you get your audio podcasts. Go follow us, download our episodes, leave us that five star review for views and downloads. 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