Lyle and TJ react to the Mariners splitting the first two games against the Braves (2:30). They discuss the struggles of Andres Muñoz and how concerned they are moving forward (13:06). The two of them also talk about why the Mariners not playing well right now is not the end of the world (27:29).
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00:00 --> 00:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to episode number 399 of the Marine Lair, podcast the Mariners split the first two games against the Atlanta Braves, we'll have some takeaways from there, we'll talk about Andres Munoz and why the Mariners sluggish start might not be the end of the world in terms of the rest of the 2026 season.
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01:04 --> 01:17 [SPEAKER_02]: And we woke me to this episode of the Marine Lair, podcast, part of the just baseball podcast network, recording you're on Tuesday evening May 5th, we've got a positive and a negative for you, while, let's start with the positive.
01:18 --> 01:21 [SPEAKER_02]: This series isn't as bad as I thought it was going to be.
01:22 --> 01:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I know.
01:23 --> 01:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Negative is.
01:24 --> 01:27 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not as good as it probably could be.
01:28 --> 01:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Are you sure?
01:30 --> 01:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, they lost a one run game tonight,
01:36 --> 01:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Didn't we also go into this theory thinking they were going to get swept?
01:39 --> 01:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but then they went on Monday, and they're in position to win the game on Tuesday.
01:44 --> 01:46 [SPEAKER_02]: You feel pretty good.
01:46 --> 01:51 [SPEAKER_02]: In most scenarios, Andre's moonios is on the mound, the knife inning, and your other tied or leading.
01:52 --> 01:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Feel okay.
01:56 --> 01:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, they weren't winning in the ninth to be fair it was tied.
02:00 --> 02:02 [SPEAKER_01]: A position to win was more like Saturday against the Royals.
02:04 --> 02:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but even so with Mono some amount he doesn't usually allow runs.
02:09 --> 02:15 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll talk about the 2026 version of Mono's But they were in position.
02:16 --> 02:26 [SPEAKER_02]: The problem is the murder just haven't really been good and close games this year They they've played the most I believe they played the most one-run games in major league baseball this year and they've losing record It's not good.
02:26 --> 02:28 [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's it's really that
02:29 --> 02:51 [SPEAKER_02]: although don't you also feel like they stole Mondays win in a way they didn't have any business winning that game for about the first six innings five and a half innings then one good inning propelled them and most of Mondays game was about one inning like the brave set three home runs in the top half of the inning and the mariner set two in the bottom half they just happen to have guys on base yeah
02:52 --> 02:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought the braids looked a lot better overall than the Mariners on Monday.
02:56 --> 02:57 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners just happened to win the game.
02:58 --> 03:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Especially a Bryce Elder.
03:01 --> 03:03 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Bryce Elder had nine strikeout.
03:04 --> 03:05 [SPEAKER_02]: What do he finish with?
03:05 --> 03:07 [SPEAKER_02]: He had nine strikeouts in the fifth inning.
03:08 --> 03:12 [SPEAKER_02]: And I know he had entered the game with like a 20% strikeout rate.
03:13 --> 03:14 [SPEAKER_02]: And he finished the day with nine.
03:15 --> 03:17 [SPEAKER_02]: OK, so he did, he did finish with nine.
03:18 --> 03:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Merit struck out a ton here on Tuesday night.
03:20 --> 03:22 [SPEAKER_02]: The struck out 16 times.
03:23 --> 03:24 [SPEAKER_02]: They only scored two runs.
03:25 --> 03:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Luke Orkins had the stat.
03:26 --> 03:30 [SPEAKER_02]: They've scored two or less runs now 13 times this season.
03:30 --> 03:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Don't have only one of those games.
03:32 --> 03:34 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I'm kind of bomb's loyal.
03:34 --> 03:39 [SPEAKER_02]: I did have a feeling in this game that they were going to come back, they were going to win the game.
03:40 --> 03:43 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was going to get to come on here and talk about George Kirby in a really positive light.
03:43 --> 03:51 [SPEAKER_02]: He was one of the mirrors I think have had some up and down starts in these two games this series, Logan gave up four home runs on Monday.
03:51 --> 03:53 [SPEAKER_02]: But then Kirby came out and went seven and two.
03:53 --> 03:55 [SPEAKER_02]: He's got a sub three ERA this season.
03:55 --> 03:59 [SPEAKER_02]: He's thrown the second most innings in Major League Baseball, only to max freed.
04:00 --> 04:05 [SPEAKER_02]: And he looks like one of the two best Mariners pitchers on this roster, next to Emerson Hancock.
04:06 --> 04:07 [SPEAKER_02]: But he's not the story of tonight anymore.
04:07 --> 04:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Unfortunately, because the Mariners offense, stunk, and Andre's Muneo's had a tough night day.
04:14 --> 04:15 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
04:15 --> 04:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he did.
04:16 --> 04:23 [SPEAKER_01]: And Wednesday, it's now been announced, drum roll baby, they're getting Martin Perez for the Braves.
04:23 --> 04:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Why does that matter?
04:25 --> 04:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Why does that matter?
04:25 --> 04:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Because Martin Perez, I'm sure most of you know, is a left handed pitcher.
04:30 --> 04:34 [SPEAKER_01]: So, pack it up, just get on the plane to Chicago.
04:37 --> 04:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, tell you what, the Mariners are going to win this series.
04:40 --> 04:45 [SPEAKER_02]: They're going to need to do the bats of Connor Joe, Mitch Garver, and Rob Raff Snyder.
04:46 --> 04:48 [SPEAKER_02]: We don't even know if Cal's going to be able to catch tomorrow.
04:48 --> 04:50 [SPEAKER_02]: So that means Garver might have to be in the lineup.
04:50 --> 04:52 [SPEAKER_02]: No matter if he's catching or de-hager.
04:54 --> 04:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they just get picked apart by lefties.
04:58 --> 05:03 [SPEAKER_01]: And it feels like Martin Perez is the exact type of lefty to give him nightmares.
05:03 --> 05:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Because sure, do the taric scoobles of the world give him nightmares, yes.
05:08 --> 05:14 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's especially when you get these softballing lefties that don't have this ridiculously high pedigree.
05:15 --> 05:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Perez has been around a long time, but he's no ace by any stretch or really anything close to it.
05:19 --> 05:23 [SPEAKER_01]: It's guys like him and JP Sears
05:24 --> 05:25 [SPEAKER_01]: players like that.
05:25 --> 05:28 [SPEAKER_02]: What would wait the block do against this Mariners team.
05:28 --> 05:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he do what he did in that start in 2018 against the Red Sox where he retired what 22 consecutive hitters.
05:36 --> 05:37 [SPEAKER_02]: He do that.
05:39 --> 05:41 [SPEAKER_02]: The glory days of wait the block.
05:41 --> 05:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I kind of miss it.
05:43 --> 05:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's not going to be great.
05:44 --> 05:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, for your reference, Martin Pres doesn't really have splits, but I don't know if that matters.
05:49 --> 05:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Because the veritors have a 6 20 OPS against lofties this season.
05:54 --> 05:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, so not good.
05:56 --> 06:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Their OPS as a team against lefties is 100 points worse than it is against righties.
06:01 --> 06:01 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a lot.
06:02 --> 06:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Spinzone is better than it was.
06:05 --> 06:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Great.
06:08 --> 06:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have it exactly in front of me.
06:10 --> 06:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Where do you think their OPS against left handed pitching ranks in baseball?
06:14 --> 06:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I am going to guess it's very low.
06:16 --> 06:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I'm going to say it's like 28.
06:17 --> 06:19 [SPEAKER_02]: There are worse teams against lefties, by the way.
06:20 --> 06:23 [SPEAKER_02]: I think though I do think one of them, let's look it up here in a second.
06:24 --> 06:26 [SPEAKER_02]: I do think one of them bounce back in a big way today.
06:26 --> 06:30 [SPEAKER_02]: I think the red socks were really, really struggling against lefties this season.
06:30 --> 06:34 [SPEAKER_02]: And then they tattooed Framber Valdez to the point where he threw at them intentionally.
06:35 --> 06:35 [SPEAKER_02]: So let's see.
06:36 --> 06:37 [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't.
06:37 --> 06:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to throw out a hot take here forever.
06:40 --> 06:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but it's not seem like the easiest guy in the world to be teammates with.
06:45 --> 06:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Really?
06:45 --> 06:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, considering his own manager and AJ hinge came out publicly after the game and said that wasn't a great look.
06:52 --> 06:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
06:53 --> 06:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Or the fact that was Framber Valdez is only forcing fast voice thrown this entire season.
07:00 --> 07:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a little weird.
07:01 --> 07:05 [SPEAKER_01]: That says he just decided to grip it and rip it and was thrown at Trevor's story.
07:06 --> 07:31 [SPEAKER_02]: I lied the Red Sox are actually 16 the Mariners Lail are by WRC plus 25 by OPS they are You've got it come on oh I know I got it I know I got it they are 26 so it's not same now why don't you read the teams below Frank the tank smets
07:32 --> 07:39 [SPEAKER_02]: The Milwaukee Brewers, which is kind of surprising, especially since they have a 12% walk rate against lofty.
07:39 --> 07:40 [SPEAKER_02]: So imagine how bad it has to be.
07:40 --> 07:44 [SPEAKER_02]: They have that kind of on-base percentage, but they're still not doing damage.
07:44 --> 07:48 [SPEAKER_02]: The fillies and then the Texas Rangers.
07:49 --> 07:58 [SPEAKER_02]: So in two of the teams that struggle the most, one that really surprises me in the Brewers, and then the Rangers lineup has been swinging a wet noodle at the plate for a while now.
07:59 --> 08:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Their offense has been, ever since they won the World Series, the Texas Rangers have been the problem often.
08:05 --> 08:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Had had problems with their offense.
08:07 --> 08:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and then there's the Mariners.
08:09 --> 08:15 [SPEAKER_01]: The Rangers will be part of a beer conversation later in this episode, but anyway,
08:16 --> 08:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, are we are we just chalking up the fact the mariners aren't getting swept by the braves as a wind?
08:23 --> 08:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, sure.
08:25 --> 08:26 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they could still win the series tomorrow.
08:26 --> 08:30 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, while it's more teen pres versus Brian fucking woo.
08:31 --> 08:36 [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like people should still have some some at least some hope that they're going to win the series.
08:36 --> 08:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, this is not about Brian woo having a good outing.
08:39 --> 08:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I know he's had two tough ones in a row, but we know Brian
08:45 --> 08:46 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not about that.
08:47 --> 08:53 [SPEAKER_01]: It's about the offense scratching across one to two singular or plural runs against the left hand and picture.
08:53 --> 09:04 [SPEAKER_01]: And then by the way, if the braves are tied, if they have the lead, they're going to dill and lead, late in those innings, who is a dominant left hand.
09:04 --> 09:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think he is too far the possible matchup?
09:07 --> 09:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, tore them up.
09:08 --> 09:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Good.
09:09 --> 09:11 [SPEAKER_02]: And then they have a Glacius and Sours.
09:13 --> 09:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Great.
09:14 --> 09:26 [SPEAKER_01]: and the mariner's have uh... for air the zardo who knows else i'll give hostie for this you look great tonight do you think
09:26 --> 09:28 [SPEAKER_01]: saw a little bit this course about this.
09:29 --> 09:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think they should have put him back out there out there to start the ninth and phase models and I want to assume that was going to be the case knowing what happened.
09:36 --> 09:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, I think he should have been in there against Maddleson.
09:40 --> 09:46 [SPEAKER_02]: But what the mariners would probably tell you is we don't want Andre's moonios coming in mid-in-ing.
09:47 --> 09:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Well,
09:49 --> 09:49 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like a ship.
09:50 --> 09:57 [SPEAKER_02]: I know we're about to talk about Muno's, but it's been well-documented, Andre's likes his particular situations that he pitches in.
09:57 --> 09:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
09:58 --> 10:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And that may be the case, but I'm about to shock you with something here.
10:02 --> 10:08 [SPEAKER_01]: If that is the case that Muno does not thrive at his best when he starts in the middle of an inning, again, I'm going to shock you.
10:09 --> 10:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Dan Wilson didn't say that because he didn't say anything about it.
10:12 --> 10:15 [SPEAKER_01]: He was asked, post game, did you think about
10:15 --> 10:17 [SPEAKER_01]: going to for air to start the night.
10:18 --> 10:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And he said, well, we thought about it, and then a lot of, um, then, you know, and what came out to be a complete non-answer.
10:26 --> 10:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I know, I know, shocking, but yeah.
10:29 --> 10:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Communication, um, in the two days since we last recorded has not improved.
10:34 --> 10:35 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, it is not.
10:38 --> 10:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
10:38 --> 10:39 [SPEAKER_02]: In theory, Lowe.
10:41 --> 10:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Knowing what we know about Andres Munoz this season, sure, like definitely a thought, but Andres Munoz is still, should be by far your best reliever given what has happened with this pen.
10:52 --> 10:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Andres Munoz in his career has had zero problems getting left handers out because at the end of the day,
10:58 --> 11:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Andres Munio, when he's at his best, has a slider that no one can touch, left his or righties.
11:04 --> 11:06 [SPEAKER_02]: And usually he throws it and he gets swings and misses.
11:07 --> 11:12 [SPEAKER_02]: The problem is, Andres Munio's through a slider right over the plate for Matt Olsen and he crushed it.
11:13 --> 11:14 [SPEAKER_02]: That is the problem.
11:15 --> 11:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
11:15 --> 11:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Not whether it was a lefty, righty matchup, it's that Andres Munio is floated a ball in the middle of the plate, that a dude who's been among one of the best hitters and majorly based on what the season smacked over the Fed.
11:27 --> 11:32 [SPEAKER_01]: actually, I don't even think it's, among, I think he's been the best hitter in baseball.
11:33 --> 11:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that, if I have this right, at time of recording, Matt Olson leads baseball in war.
11:38 --> 11:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Matt Olson, been awesome.
11:39 --> 11:41 [SPEAKER_01]: He's probably, sounds right.
11:41 --> 11:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Close to an MVP frontrunner right now in the national league.
11:45 --> 11:53 [SPEAKER_02]: So he right now is fifth and WRC plus in terms of F-4 he's tied for first with Aaron Judge and Ben Rice.
11:53 --> 11:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Man, what it must be nice to be a Yankee Sam.
11:55 --> 11:59 [SPEAKER_02]: The bit two of the three best hitters in baseball by war.
11:59 --> 12:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so and then God do this top five like blows my mind every time Ben Rice number one Yord on number two Aaron Judges number four Matt Ellson's number five Do you know whose number are three?
12:11 --> 12:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Well for a while wasn't Kevin McGonagall up there Kevin McGonagall is definitely lower now He's 22nd on Eldemaro Vargas is number three.
12:21 --> 12:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Dude.
12:21 --> 12:23 [SPEAKER_01]: How is that guy doing what he's doing?
12:25 --> 12:26 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a great question.
12:27 --> 12:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Anyways, that's off topic.
12:29 --> 12:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Matt Wilson has been unbelievable this season.
12:32 --> 12:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Unreal.
12:32 --> 12:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's why on the Carpenter Scale, again, I know we've got to get this graphic made because we've got to start using it constantly.
12:40 --> 12:42 [SPEAKER_01]: But on the Carpenter Scale, it's about a one.
12:42 --> 12:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Because if you're gonna put a guy who's been one of the best relievers in baseball, into face the heart of an order in the ninth inning, yeah, you expect him to,
12:52 --> 13:07 [SPEAKER_01]: put up some zeros but Matt also got the best of them because it's been a struggle for Munoz in the first month or so of the year now I want to dive more in on Munoz because this has been an issue so far the season for the Mariners but before that let's pause here for that.
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14:12 --> 14:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Andre Spunio so far in the 2025 season has thrown 15 innings and he is allowed tenor and runs.
14:21 --> 14:21 [SPEAKER_02]: That's a problem.
14:23 --> 14:25 [SPEAKER_01]: You tweeted it out here on Tuesday.
14:25 --> 14:29 [SPEAKER_01]: He's already given up more home runs this year than he's given up all last season.
14:30 --> 14:32 [SPEAKER_01]: It's May the fifth, as we're sitting here recording.
14:33 --> 14:39 [SPEAKER_02]: And why that's a troubling trend for Andre's Muñoz is he's the type of reliever that doesn't give up home runs.
14:39 --> 14:43 [SPEAKER_02]: So last year he gives up two, this year has already given up three home runs.
14:43 --> 14:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Some relievers in baseball manage to be effective despite giving up home runs.
14:48 --> 14:54 [SPEAKER_02]: A strata, Jeremiah is strata with the potteries, for example, allows goes about it totally different.
14:54 --> 14:58 [SPEAKER_02]: He racks up a ton of value because he strikes a ton of batters up, and he's got a really electric stuff.
14:59 --> 15:03 [SPEAKER_02]: But he gave up 12 home runs last year for the potteries.
15:03 --> 15:05 [SPEAKER_02]: And he led all relievers in war.
15:06 --> 15:08 [SPEAKER_02]: But still give you up 12 home runs.
15:08 --> 15:10 [SPEAKER_02]: There are different ways to go about this.
15:10 --> 15:13 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not a be all end all for relievers to give up home runs.
15:14 --> 15:19 [SPEAKER_02]: But Andre's Munoz has proven to be effective by not giving up these home runs.
15:20 --> 15:22 [SPEAKER_02]: And the fact that he's given up home runs this year,
15:22 --> 15:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I wouldn't call it a season long concern yet, but it is one of the reasons to raise a tiny little red flag right now for Andre's Munoz relievers are really the ultimate small sample size of anything in major league baseball.
15:37 --> 15:47 [SPEAKER_02]: The discourse we've had about defense, this defense is also something that is small sample size, but reliever stats and reliever effectiveness or even more small sample size than that.
15:48 --> 15:52 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it really can define a season for a reliever.
15:52 --> 15:55 [SPEAKER_02]: by having four bad innings out of the 70 you pitch.
15:56 --> 16:00 [SPEAKER_02]: As opposed to a starter if they have four bad innings, things are going to be okay.
16:01 --> 16:07 [SPEAKER_02]: But it takes Andre's Muno's three full seasons to throw the innings load of a Logan Gilbert a George Kirby a Brian will.
16:08 --> 16:12 [SPEAKER_02]: So everything gets looked at a lot closer.
16:13 --> 16:17 [SPEAKER_02]: So for the season and the small sample is kicking Andre's Muno's ass.
16:19 --> 16:25 [SPEAKER_01]: And when you have map ration Gabe Spire down and by the way, we haven't done a pots and escapes Spire went on the I.L.
16:25 --> 16:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Another just brutal blow to the Mariners bullpen for a guy that's one of the three true leverage guys.
16:31 --> 16:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we've said this constantly.
16:32 --> 16:35 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners at three true leverage guys in this bullpen to start the year.
16:36 --> 16:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Andres Munoz map rash Gabe Spire.
16:39 --> 16:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Bizarre no and for error not leverage arms.
16:41 --> 16:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Bizarre no's been great.
16:42 --> 16:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't get me wrong.
16:42 --> 16:45 [SPEAKER_01]: His ERA is absolutely
16:46 --> 16:52 [SPEAKER_01]: at the floor right now, I mean, he's sitting at just about one, and he has found ways to just constantly put up zeros.
16:53 --> 17:02 [SPEAKER_01]: But you look under the hood, that's not really a leverage arm, because I don't, like, Vizardo has one of the most fascinating cases you'll ever see.
17:02 --> 17:04 [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't really get ground balls at a high rate.
17:05 --> 17:07 [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't really get a ton of swing and miss.
17:08 --> 17:17 [SPEAKER_01]: yet somehow he just finds ways to get out, this is a profile of a guy who wouldn't be a successful reliever.
17:17 --> 17:19 [SPEAKER_02]: He's the anti-monios.
17:19 --> 17:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Monios is thrived so long for getting a ton of ground balls and a ton of swing and miss.
17:24 --> 17:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Edward Presardo this season has a 19.7% strikeout rate, a walk rate of 8% which is about average.
17:32 --> 17:36 [SPEAKER_02]: So
17:37 --> 17:41 [SPEAKER_02]: 0.99% ground ball rate that's crazy.
17:42 --> 17:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so for anybody hearing those numbers on the K rate on the ground ball rate that aren't familiar with Where that ranks among the league average?
17:52 --> 17:54 [SPEAKER_01]: None of that jumps off the page at all.
17:54 --> 17:56 [SPEAKER_01]: What that says is he is
17:58 --> 18:04 [SPEAKER_01]: pretty average in terms of, again, the K-Rates, the ground ball rates, nothing stands out about his profile.
18:04 --> 18:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Yet, somehow, he's got any R.A. sitting at one, which is great, but that's also why I've continued to say that he's not really a guy that should probably be throwing in high leverage.
18:13 --> 18:15 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's not really meant to.
18:15 --> 18:22 [SPEAKER_01]: He's forced to now because you've got two injuries to two or three leverage bullpen arms and one of them's really struggling and moonios.
18:23 --> 18:25 [SPEAKER_02]: So do you have a leverage reliever right now?
18:28 --> 18:29 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think you do.
18:29 --> 18:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Not one that you can rely on.
18:31 --> 18:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Not one that's a full season leverage arm.
18:34 --> 18:44 [SPEAKER_02]: You could throw for rare and bizarre to like leverjarms now and for the most part be effective, but they're not going to be your leverjarms for the rest of the season if that's the role they're in.
18:45 --> 18:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Agreed.
18:46 --> 18:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think that's fair.
18:48 --> 18:53 [SPEAKER_01]: If I were people, I would start to circle in the name Brockmore, and I mean that.
18:53 --> 18:55 [SPEAKER_01]: He is down in high A right now and ever it.
18:55 --> 18:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And I know that sounds like a long way away, but he's 26 years old.
19:00 --> 19:03 [SPEAKER_01]: He's already on the older side for being a minor league arm.
19:04 --> 19:12 [SPEAKER_01]: and because of it, I think he's going to get pushed fast and he's also putting up just video game numbers down with with the Aqua Sox right now.
19:12 --> 19:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I think by the time we hit, I don't know, July, we could see Brockmore.
19:18 --> 19:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Brockmore might be in AA in the next few weeks and then throw a few outings and get the call to the big leagues.
19:23 --> 19:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, his whip is solo.
19:25 --> 19:30 [SPEAKER_02]: And do you remember, um, for all of our listeners, you guys remember Troy Taylor in 2022.
19:30 --> 19:39 [SPEAKER_02]: He, uh, he had success both in, in Everett and in Arkansas before getting called up.
19:39 --> 19:41 [SPEAKER_02]: And he put up like stupid numbers.
19:41 --> 19:43 [SPEAKER_02]: He had a sub to ERA, I believe at both of those spots.
19:43 --> 19:46 [SPEAKER_02]: If not sub to, it was low to.
19:46 --> 19:47 [SPEAKER_02]: He wasn't getting hit hard.
19:47 --> 19:49 [SPEAKER_02]: He had really, really, really good stuff.
19:50 --> 19:54 [SPEAKER_02]: But, uh, I mean, through the first 11ings this year, Brock Moore is making, um,
19:54 --> 19:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Troy Taylor's stuff look pretty pedestrian.
19:57 --> 20:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Brockmore in a first 11 and a third innings in Ohio this year.
20:02 --> 20:06 [SPEAKER_02]: As a 60% strikeout rate and a 5% walk rate.
20:07 --> 20:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm saying he's not going to be very long forever.
20:13 --> 20:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think the Mariners may be relying on him sooner than most may think so just circle that name if you're not familiar with it already Brockmore went to Oregon Mariners drafted him as a reliever and I think he's got a chance to move here pretty quick But that's the conversation for another day in terms of a prospect arm in terms of where the Mariners big league bullpen sits out right now
20:36 --> 20:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you just don't have a lever jar, and in terms of the Muno's thing, is there one thing that's jumping out to you?
20:43 --> 20:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I know there is for me, but maybe there's something that peaks your interest.
20:48 --> 20:55 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, some of these things, I think, will adjust as the season goes on and go back in the right direction.
20:55 --> 21:01 [SPEAKER_02]: For example, half the base runner, the half the base runner sees allowing right now are scoring.
21:01 --> 21:16 [SPEAKER_02]: The league average, I believe, is in the 70% elite relievers are in the 90% because they always get out of trouble because their stuff is that good.
21:16 --> 21:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Andres Muñoz is also allowing one out of every four fly balls this season to leave the ballpark.
21:23 --> 21:24 [SPEAKER_02]: One out of every four.
21:25 --> 21:26 [SPEAKER_02]: That's bad.
21:27 --> 21:34 [SPEAKER_02]: And Andres Muñoz is pairing that while having the first ground ball rate of his career right now under 40%.
21:35 --> 21:42 [SPEAKER_02]: terrible combination, no straining base runners, flyballs are going over the fence and you're not getting as many ground balls.
21:43 --> 21:48 [SPEAKER_02]: The swing and miss is there for Munoz, that the slider has been about as good as it's ever been.
21:49 --> 21:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe not 2022, but it's still dominant.
21:51 --> 21:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Strike a rate over 40% with rate is sky high.
21:55 --> 21:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Guys aren't really hitting a slider until that also tonight.
21:59 --> 22:00 [SPEAKER_02]: It's fastball on the other hand, Lion.
22:01 --> 22:25 [SPEAKER_02]: uh... batters are hitting five hundred against undressed moonios is fastball this year uh... he is thrown that pitch twenty nine percent of the time and he is allowing exactly a five hundred batting average on that pitch it's not lucky because the expected batting averages uh... four thirty five that's an issue
22:26 --> 22:30 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're given up a 500 average on your fastball, you're going to run into problems.
22:30 --> 22:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think there's any ifans or butts about it.
22:34 --> 22:38 [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm going to be honest, the biggest thing that jumps out to me about Moon yells is even simpler than that.
22:38 --> 22:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Similar than everything you just said.
22:40 --> 22:43 [SPEAKER_01]: He's getting pulverized by left-hand pitching this season.
22:44 --> 22:48 [SPEAKER_01]: You want to read the splits, Munoz against Rites has been totally fine.
22:48 --> 22:49 [SPEAKER_01]: In fact, he's been dominant.
22:49 --> 22:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Rite handed hitters are hitting 192 against him, and they're OPSing 472.
22:55 --> 23:00 [SPEAKER_01]: So given what Munoz is numbers for the year are, and for those of you who have it in your head,
23:01 --> 23:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Try to imagine what those numbers look like against lefties right now.
23:04 --> 23:13 [SPEAKER_01]: If you want to be exact, Andre's Moon Yoves is giving up a 286 average to left-handed pitching right now and the big one that jumps out in OPS that sits at 9-12.
23:13 --> 23:16 [SPEAKER_01]: He is getting destroyed by left-handed pitching.
23:16 --> 23:23 [SPEAKER_01]: By the way, those numbers are not updated as we sit here recording Tuesday night because who popped them for a home run on Tuesday night?
23:23 --> 23:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Madison, lefty.
23:25 --> 23:26 [SPEAKER_01]: So those numbers are about to go up.
23:27 --> 23:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Lefty's get a really good look at his slider.
23:29 --> 23:33 [SPEAKER_02]: It breaks in towards them instead of breaking away from them.
23:33 --> 23:40 [SPEAKER_02]: It's always been a better matchup for lefties against Andre's moon nose, moon yos, than it is against Rites.
23:41 --> 23:55 [SPEAKER_02]: But this comes back to the foreseamer not being as effective because if his slider is not quite as dominant against lefties as it is against Rites, well then he's gonna need another pitch to get by lefties.
23:55 --> 24:00 [SPEAKER_02]: The, it has him in the fast fall this year and his sinker, which is a pitchy debut in the 2023 season.
24:00 --> 24:06 [SPEAKER_02]: If you remember, two attack lefties when he was having this exact issue after 2022 season.
24:06 --> 24:15 [SPEAKER_02]: The lefties were seeing his slider better, it wasn't commanding his pitches as well, so we needed a backup option and the backup option was the sinker.
24:15 --> 24:26 [SPEAKER_02]: But he's been thrown the sinker less and less over these years, Lyle went from 19% in 2023, 20% in 2024 to 12% last year, and about 11% this year.
24:27 --> 24:31 [SPEAKER_02]: That's a pitch that's supposed to tail away from the barrel of lefties and get him a whole bunch of ground balls.
24:32 --> 24:34 [SPEAKER_02]: He's not been thrown at as much this year.
24:34 --> 24:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Although his career splits right on left aren't that different.
24:38 --> 24:43 [SPEAKER_01]: His career against right is he's given up an OPS of 535 and against lefties it's 570.
24:43 --> 24:47 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not like he's had nightmares against left handed pitching in his career.
24:47 --> 24:53 [SPEAKER_01]: All of a sudden this year, small samples sure because he's a reliever and we're only in the early parts of May.
24:54 --> 24:58 [SPEAKER_01]: But I hope he has over 900 against lefties.
24:58 --> 24:59 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's a problem.
25:00 --> 25:03 [SPEAKER_02]: It's because hitters are seeing his fastball and his sinker.
25:03 --> 25:06 [SPEAKER_02]: You remember, you heard those bad stats against his fastball?
25:06 --> 25:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Hints his sinker is the same thing.
25:09 --> 25:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Hitters are also hitting 500 against his sinker.
25:14 --> 25:19 [SPEAKER_02]: So when he's throwing something that's not a slider, it's a coin flip when a ball's put in plan whether or not to hit.
25:20 --> 25:20 [SPEAKER_02]: That is the problem.
25:21 --> 25:22 [SPEAKER_02]: That's it, right there.
25:23 --> 25:26 [SPEAKER_02]: And he's getting barreled a lot more than he has in the past through one month.
25:27 --> 25:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's getting hit really hard.
25:29 --> 25:33 [SPEAKER_01]: That has not usually been a trend of Andre's Munoz, but guys are tean off on him right now.
25:33 --> 25:35 [SPEAKER_01]: They are hitting him hard, and that's not a good thing.
25:36 --> 25:43 [SPEAKER_02]: And it could just, it literally, while this could just be command when you don't throw as much as the starting picture does.
25:44 --> 26:01 [SPEAKER_02]: The way we evaluate you shrinks so much, the pitches are just emphasized so much more that when you mess up and you have 15 bad pitches but on a, on a command scale, it could really, really hurt you, which is what we could be seeing with Andre's Monios right now.
26:01 --> 26:09 [SPEAKER_02]: by July, perhaps this looks a whole lot different and his pitches normalized a little bit and he's throwing the pitches in the spots where he wants to.
26:10 --> 26:21 [SPEAKER_02]: But in terms of the results, these aren't the results you can afford to have because the Mariners already have enough flaws this year without their best relievers being hurt or ineffective.
26:23 --> 26:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, although Munoz is not typically struggled early in the year.
26:27 --> 26:37 [SPEAKER_01]: If you look at his career ERA by month, the worst month of his career, or the worst month of his season historically is September, his April March ERA is usually about two, three.
26:38 --> 26:43 [SPEAKER_01]: So, sure, you're right that you never know what small sample size is, that
26:44 --> 26:47 [SPEAKER_01]: guys could just have a command issue for the first few weeks of a year and it can bite you.
26:48 --> 26:51 [SPEAKER_01]: But this hasn't been a regular occurring Andreus Muno's issue.
26:52 --> 26:53 [SPEAKER_01]: It's all of a sudden popping up this year.
26:54 --> 27:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And frankly, the Mariners need something to change really fast because with Spirehurt with Brashhurt and with a bullpen that's already depleted and a bullpen arm that we said was a leveragearm short to start the year when they had all of Muno's Brashhurt by our
27:15 --> 27:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Is it weird to say that the Mariners just need to lock into better matchups for their relievers for this to get better until these guys get back healthy?
27:23 --> 27:24 [SPEAKER_02]: And let me explain what I mean by that.
27:25 --> 27:33 [SPEAKER_02]: The Mariners in their bullpen, 7th, 7th, 8th, 9th inning, they don't go really by specific matchups.
27:34 --> 27:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Moonios isn't going to get the best pocket in the opposing lineup.
27:37 --> 27:39 [SPEAKER_02]: He pitches the ninth inning.
27:39 --> 27:41 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's how that's how they've structured it.
27:42 --> 27:48 [SPEAKER_02]: So now I don't think it's the most effective way to organize your bullpen, but that's how the Mariners go about it and that's what Andre's Moonios prefers.
27:48 --> 27:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you just got to hope Andre's Moonios gets the bottom of the order against three, three rites until he feels better?
27:55 --> 27:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess, but you can't bank on that.
27:58 --> 28:00 [SPEAKER_02]: No, you can't, which again, which is why it's luck.
28:02 --> 28:08 [SPEAKER_02]: They need to lock into a, a handful of really good matchups over the next couple of weeks and get Muno's back on track.
28:10 --> 28:10 [SPEAKER_02]: They do.
28:10 --> 28:16 [SPEAKER_02]: And then the guys who are pitching the best, Edward Pazardo, Jose Ferrer, are the ones who get the middle of the lineup.
28:17 --> 28:18 [SPEAKER_02]: For sure.
28:19 --> 28:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, all that being said, there actually is still a positive way to look at the where the Mariners are at right now and why this might not ultimately end up being a big difference and end up really mattering in the end, but before that, T.J. you want to read now.
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29:28 --> 29:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you put this out on social today, while I think it's a good perspective to have on this mariner season.
29:36 --> 29:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I think you're going to relate it a little bit back to last year and how things sort of shook out as they went down the stretch.
29:44 --> 29:45 [SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty simple.
29:45 --> 29:46 [SPEAKER_01]: The AOS is a bad division.
29:47 --> 29:48 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just not good.
29:49 --> 29:52 [SPEAKER_01]: There's nobody that's threatening
29:53 --> 30:03 [SPEAKER_01]: For as tough as the first month and change has been for the Mariners and yes being a team that had high expectations and is not living up to it through over a month.
30:03 --> 30:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's be very clear.
30:04 --> 30:09 [SPEAKER_01]: They are not living up to the preseason expectations as of right now that we're set for them early in the year.
30:11 --> 30:14 [SPEAKER_01]: But at the end of the year, they may still just run away with the AL West.
30:15 --> 30:17 [SPEAKER_01]: They might have to tread water for a little while.
30:17 --> 30:19 [SPEAKER_01]: They might have to wait out these injuries.
30:19 --> 30:20 [SPEAKER_01]: They might have to stick around 500.
30:20 --> 30:31 [SPEAKER_01]: And then come summertime, whether it's mid to late June, July, that being around the time period that they start to shoot forward and really propel themselves.
30:31 --> 30:32 [SPEAKER_01]: It might take until then.
30:33 --> 30:38 [SPEAKER_01]: But all in all, I just don't know who in this division is gonna give them a run for their money.
30:38 --> 30:39 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm right there with you.
30:40 --> 30:46 [SPEAKER_02]: I do not buy a single thing about the American League West outside of a handful of individual players.
30:46 --> 30:48 [SPEAKER_02]: There is not a team right now.
30:49 --> 30:58 [SPEAKER_02]: You could sell me on outside of the Mariners that will end the 2025 season better than 86 wins.
30:58 --> 31:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Not confident in that at all.
31:00 --> 31:04 [SPEAKER_02]: If you want to reference it to last season, this is kind of what the Mariners did last year.
31:04 --> 31:07 [SPEAKER_02]: The American League West was not very good last year.
31:07 --> 31:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Texas was mediocre.
31:09 --> 31:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Houston was slightly above mediocre.
31:11 --> 31:13 [SPEAKER_02]: The A's had hitting, but they couldn't pitch.
31:14 --> 31:15 [SPEAKER_02]: And the Angels were the Angels.
31:16 --> 31:20 [SPEAKER_02]: And the Mariners entered the final week of the season.
31:20 --> 31:23 [SPEAKER_02]: The final month of the season at their lowest point.
31:23 --> 31:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Five games above 500.
31:26 --> 31:42 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not the exact same scenario, but it's pretty close to what they are right now because 5 games above 500 makes you a very, very, very borderline playoff team that puts you at about wildcard for restattis, which is where the Mariners were trending at that moment.
31:43 --> 31:47 [SPEAKER_02]: But then the Mariners won 17 of 18 games and won the American League West.
31:47 --> 31:51 [SPEAKER_02]: That's all it took to win their own division.
31:51 --> 31:55 [SPEAKER_02]: This year can be pretty similar.
31:56 --> 32:02 [SPEAKER_02]: a month burst to win this division and we can just run through it.
32:02 --> 32:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I did it on social media today, but let's do it here too.
32:05 --> 32:06 [SPEAKER_01]: You want to go team by team.
32:06 --> 32:10 [SPEAKER_01]: The angels don't even deserve a breath of time on this podcast.
32:10 --> 32:11 [SPEAKER_01]: No, they just don't.
32:12 --> 32:12 [SPEAKER_01]: They're the angels.
32:13 --> 32:15 [SPEAKER_01]: You want to go to the Astros?
32:15 --> 32:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they've got maybe the best hitter on the planet right now and you're not on Alvarez.
32:19 --> 32:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I said earlier, it could be Matt Olson, it could be a couple of different guys, but you're on's been amazing.
32:23 --> 32:25 [SPEAKER_01]: The rest of that team, yeah, just saying it.
32:26 --> 32:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Depth isn't what it used to be.
32:28 --> 32:33 [SPEAKER_01]: As of Tuesday, Korea just got hurt, he injured his ankle, he got scratched out of the line up.
32:33 --> 32:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Hunter Brown's going to be out of while, he might still out, and that starting pitching staff is a whole worse than baseball.
32:40 --> 32:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Astros can't pitch.
32:41 --> 32:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
32:42 --> 32:44 [SPEAKER_01]: They're worst by half a run.
32:45 --> 32:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
32:45 --> 32:47 [SPEAKER_01]: They're their team areas in your six.
32:47 --> 32:48 [SPEAKER_01]: It's been terrible.
32:49 --> 32:50 [SPEAKER_01]: The A's we've talked about this man.
32:50 --> 32:52 [SPEAKER_01]: We like the A's as an offense.
32:52 --> 32:54 [SPEAKER_01]: That young course really fun.
32:54 --> 32:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Kurt, Jacob Wilson, Lawrence Butler, Shay Langlairsman.
32:57 --> 32:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Awesome.
32:59 --> 33:00 [SPEAKER_01]: But they just can't really pitch.
33:01 --> 33:09 [SPEAKER_01]: They're a great offense, but that lack of pitching and the lack of dominance in the rotation and bullpen is going to cap their win total somewhere.
33:09 --> 33:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's probably going to be around max 83, 84 wins.
33:14 --> 33:16 [SPEAKER_01]: They could be, you know, that's a best.
33:17 --> 33:18 [SPEAKER_01]: That's of everything goes right.
33:19 --> 33:20 [SPEAKER_01]: There, there's still a real world.
33:20 --> 33:22 [SPEAKER_01]: There are sub 500 team in the A's.
33:22 --> 33:30 [SPEAKER_02]: I was going to say they're front line pitching right now if they were to pull up They were to like put together a playoff rotation.
33:30 --> 33:43 [SPEAKER_02]: It would feature Luis Savarino Jeffrey Springs and Luis Medina He's a former prospect That a pretty highly touted prospect that has really good stuff
33:43 --> 33:47 [SPEAKER_02]: But hasn't exactly proven himself in MLB.
33:47 --> 33:53 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he's done okay this year, career ERA right now of five.
33:53 --> 33:54 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's, you know, not crazy.
33:54 --> 33:58 [SPEAKER_02]: And if it was face in the Mariners Lyle, it would start Jacob Lopez.
33:58 --> 34:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure, yeah, for sure.
34:01 --> 34:02 [SPEAKER_01]: But they just can't really pitch.
34:03 --> 34:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Then you get to the Rangers, which I guess, if you have to pick a team that might give them the biggest threat,
34:10 --> 34:13 [SPEAKER_01]: The Rangers, that's not saying much.
34:13 --> 34:17 [SPEAKER_01]: You said earlier, they've been a terrible offense since they won the World Series and it's true.
34:17 --> 34:23 [SPEAKER_01]: This year, they're about the 19th or 20th best offense and they say, sorry, they're a worse offense than that.
34:23 --> 34:25 [SPEAKER_01]: They're a bottom 10 offense in the league.
34:25 --> 34:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And they're pitching, they're starting pitching, which is supposed to anchor them.
34:30 --> 34:33 [SPEAKER_01]: is right at about the same mark, they're 19th or 20th and baseball.
34:34 --> 34:37 [SPEAKER_01]: The only one of their four starters pitching well right now is Jacob DeGron.
34:38 --> 34:42 [SPEAKER_01]: And unfortunately, we know how this story goes with DeGron at this point in his career.
34:42 --> 34:43 [SPEAKER_01]: He's probably not going to stay healthy.
34:44 --> 34:46 [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to miss time at some point this year, and he'll be out.
34:47 --> 34:52 [SPEAKER_01]: So the Rangers have a rotation that's below average, and an offense that's below average.
34:52 --> 34:57 [SPEAKER_01]: They're both in somehow good, but I don't know how that makes up for the rest of the team.
34:57 --> 35:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Who is the one that's actually giving the Mariners a threat?
35:00 --> 35:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't see it.
35:02 --> 35:06 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, boring self-implosion, no one of the Mariners.
35:07 --> 35:12 [SPEAKER_02]: The Rangers, it's funny we see the Rangers have the best threat to the Mariners.
35:12 --> 35:15 [SPEAKER_02]: They have a worse offense and a worse pitching staff right now.
35:16 --> 35:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
35:17 --> 35:21 [SPEAKER_02]: So really, like this feels like right here, this Mariners team.
35:22 --> 35:23 [SPEAKER_02]: like they're playing.
35:23 --> 35:27 [SPEAKER_02]: This version of them is the worst they could possibly play this season.
35:27 --> 35:34 [SPEAKER_02]: The defense is sucking the base running is inconsistent, but training towards not good for the entire season.
35:36 --> 35:38 [SPEAKER_02]: The lineup is really hurt.
35:38 --> 35:40 [SPEAKER_02]: They can't hit left handed pitching.
35:42 --> 35:48 [SPEAKER_02]: The bullpen is in shreds right now and they're running probably four guys in there.
35:48 --> 35:52 [SPEAKER_02]: They never thought they would
35:53 --> 35:57 [SPEAKER_02]: But the Mariners have a better offense and a better pitching staff than to Texas Rangers.
35:58 --> 36:00 [SPEAKER_02]: They're number one threat in the division.
36:01 --> 36:10 [SPEAKER_01]: So look, man, it's the Mariners tread water for the next few weeks, month, month and a half, two things are very true.
36:10 --> 36:16 [SPEAKER_01]: It's gonna piss a ton of people off and rightfully so, because expectations were supposed to be way higher than this.
36:16 --> 36:17 [SPEAKER_01]: The two of us will be in that very boat.
36:18 --> 36:23 [SPEAKER_01]: The day by day of being a fan when your team is treading water is miserable.
36:24 --> 36:27 [SPEAKER_01]: It's miserable, especially when expectations are like this.
36:28 --> 36:30 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's gonna drive people nuts.
36:31 --> 36:37 [SPEAKER_01]: but it also does not change the fact that I don't think anybody in the division's gonna compete with them in the end.
36:37 --> 36:41 [SPEAKER_01]: It all it takes is a few weeks for them to get hot and they can probably coast in this division.
36:43 --> 36:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Was it LeBron who had the quote I've been praying for times like this?
36:46 --> 36:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
36:48 --> 36:56 [SPEAKER_02]: We had to go through a whole decade of the Astros kicking everyone's ass in the AL West and then the one season with the Rangers were really good, too.
36:56 --> 37:04 [SPEAKER_02]: But besides that, the division has had very, very, very good teams at the top that the Mariners have struggled with and really haven't beaten.
37:05 --> 37:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Last year, the Mariners didn't have much competition in the division.
37:09 --> 37:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Got how to the end of the year and won the division this year.
37:12 --> 37:16 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the division is worse this year than it was last year and it was bad last year.
37:18 --> 37:19 [SPEAKER_02]: So you, you got to feel good.
37:20 --> 37:21 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not just the AL West.
37:21 --> 37:26 [SPEAKER_02]: If you look at the entire American League, I feel like it tells pretty much the same story.
37:27 --> 37:29 [SPEAKER_02]: There's like one real container in the American League.
37:29 --> 37:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Right now, it's the Yankees.
37:31 --> 37:39 [SPEAKER_02]: They have the two best hitters, a colon rodon aren't even back and they're pitching staff, still has the Saoyong favorite and can't flitler right now.
37:40 --> 37:43 [SPEAKER_02]: That's like the team standing way above everybody else.
37:44 --> 37:48 [SPEAKER_02]: No one else in the East has really jumped out of some unbelievable team.
37:48 --> 37:55 [SPEAKER_02]: The BlueJays is one of the penit last year, are off to about as bad of a start as the Mariners have not worse, especially in the injury department.
37:56 --> 38:04 [SPEAKER_02]: The central has the Tigers, but Scooble is now out with the surgery I had to get in his elbow for a month.
38:04 --> 38:07 [SPEAKER_02]: For Amber Valdez is already falling apart at the seams.
38:07 --> 38:16 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't see how it is much different everywhere else, which should probably give you even more confidence that the Mariners literally just need one spurt and it's, they should be fine.
38:18 --> 38:27 [SPEAKER_01]: The rays are on pace to win a bunch of games, but I don't know if that last and even if it does, they've been a good story, but we know how those teams usually are handled in the postseason.
38:27 --> 38:32 [SPEAKER_01]: They usually just don't have the juice, they don't have the depth, they don't have enough firepower, usually how it goes.
38:33 --> 38:36 [SPEAKER_01]: So you get past those teams and what do you have?
38:36 --> 38:38 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot of nothing.
38:38 --> 38:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I saw a graph that aside from the, or sorry, aside from the Yankees and the Reyes, I think everybody in the American League right now is projected to where they're currently at, went under 85 games.
38:52 --> 38:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Two teams are projected to win about 100 right now.
38:55 --> 38:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Everybody else is projected to win less than 85.
38:58 --> 38:58 [SPEAKER_01]: that's really funny.
38:59 --> 39:06 [SPEAKER_02]: And if the Yankees are out in front of the race, then the race don't even matter as much, because the Mariners just need to win their division at Bang during the playoffs.
39:06 --> 39:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
39:07 --> 39:10 [SPEAKER_02]: And then once they're in the playoffs, that's all that matters.
39:10 --> 39:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Really.
39:11 --> 39:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Mariners could still be the two seed, because the race can't get the two seed if they're a wildcard team.
39:15 --> 39:15 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
39:15 --> 39:22 [SPEAKER_01]: So again, it's just going to take a month of really good baseball.
39:22 --> 39:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And again, if it doesn't come till August, it's going to piss people off, but it doesn't mean that it's not
39:27 --> 39:41 [SPEAKER_02]: But remind people, the Mariners were only a measly five games above 500 at the deadline when they acquired Naylor and they acquired Gino and then they were 500 for the next month after that until they closed out the season on a hotstrap.
39:41 --> 39:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes that's just how it is.
39:43 --> 39:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Are we going to be able to physically take that though, especially after the preseason expectations?
39:48 --> 39:57 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, when the dust settles at the end of the season, yes, in the moment, there might be some yelling.
39:57 --> 40:03 [SPEAKER_01]: But, Teage, that's four to four and a half more months of podcasting about a potential 500 team before they bigger it out.
40:05 --> 40:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's just see there will probably be some takes ripped off.
40:08 --> 40:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you're out the course of the season.
40:09 --> 40:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
40:10 --> 40:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, there we go.
40:11 --> 40:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Look at the takes we've ripped off and just like the past week.
40:14 --> 40:23 [SPEAKER_02]: uh, they have included Andres Muno's falling apart at the seams and Julio Rodriguez uh, playing a bad month of defense in center field.
40:25 --> 40:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Are those takes or those just the numbers that show up on the screen?
40:30 --> 40:31 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, I guess facts.
40:32 --> 40:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, facts.
40:33 --> 40:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but still discussions that we're having here early on in the season and we're going to have a lot of discussions as the season goes along because it's pretty clear things are not, you know, think it's not smooth sailing this season.
40:45 --> 40:47 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not smooth sailing on the injury department.
40:48 --> 40:51 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not smooth sailing in the bullpen and around the American lake.
40:51 --> 40:54 [SPEAKER_02]: It's certainly not smooth sailing for much anyone else.
40:55 --> 40:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Taylor Ward and Joe on Iran.
40:58 --> 40:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Deadline.
40:58 --> 40:59 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll take him.
40:59 --> 41:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, there's one thing that stayed consistent.
41:01 --> 41:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Lyle's that the mayor still have plenty of prospects to trade.
41:05 --> 41:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And money in the bank, too.
41:08 --> 41:10 [SPEAKER_01]: They're payroll ain't that high.
41:10 --> 41:12 [SPEAKER_01]: You can do damage with the deadline.
41:13 --> 41:14 [SPEAKER_02]: and they should.
41:15 --> 41:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's what we mean kind of what we've been saying the entire time is that the Mariners just need to make it to the deadline.
41:20 --> 41:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't get out of him by the time you can make your team better.
41:23 --> 41:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I just, I hate having that be the mantra in a year where expectations were so high.
41:27 --> 41:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I hate it.
41:28 --> 41:32 [SPEAKER_02]: But once the game starts, like what other choice do you have?
41:32 --> 41:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Like the team had flaws, but we still thought they would be a good team with the roster they had.
41:36 --> 41:46 [SPEAKER_02]: until the trade deadline, not that they were going to be a 500 team until the trade deadline, without there going to be like a clear first place team by like 7 games at the trade deadline and then add on top of that.
41:46 --> 41:49 [SPEAKER_02]: But the problem is they've had underperformance and injuries.
41:50 --> 41:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
41:51 --> 41:52 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's why they have to do that.
41:52 --> 41:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's frustrating.
41:53 --> 41:58 [SPEAKER_02]: But that's not something we like expected based off the talent on the roster.
41:59 --> 42:00 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not.
42:00 --> 42:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I just know we're going to have to live with this for a while and it's going to be hard.
42:03 --> 42:08 [SPEAKER_01]: There's going to be parts of the season that drive us nuts, but it is true that again, nobody in the sale west is that good.
42:09 --> 42:09 [SPEAKER_01]: They're just not.
42:10 --> 42:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Is this your first time being a marathon?
42:12 --> 42:12 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
42:13 --> 42:13 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
42:13 --> 42:14 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's the first time.
42:14 --> 42:15 [SPEAKER_02]: You know the drill.
42:15 --> 42:17 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the first time having expectations this high.
42:18 --> 42:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Since 2015 and they finished under 500.
42:22 --> 42:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I think expectations are even higher now.
42:24 --> 42:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
42:25 --> 42:25 [SPEAKER_02]: I agree with you.
42:26 --> 42:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we're gonna have to bear through it.
42:28 --> 42:30 [SPEAKER_00]: We just are and it's gonna be brutal at times, but we'll try.
42:31 --> 42:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Where's Ricky Weeks to save the Mariners when you need him?
42:34 --> 42:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no.
42:35 --> 42:40 [SPEAKER_01]: We don't need him dropping more pop flies in left field when the Mariners had an infield or try to play left field and it was a disaster.
42:40 --> 42:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm good.
42:42 --> 42:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Who is, uh, I mean, it's a dumb question.
42:45 --> 42:52 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like to say who's a better defender Ricky Weeks or Randy in left field, but it's wild to say that it's Randy in a blowout.
42:54 --> 42:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's all the content we need for today.
42:56 --> 42:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I think you can just stop right there.
42:58 --> 43:02 [SPEAKER_01]: We're now comparing Ricky Weeks and Randy Rosarena's defense in left field.
43:02 --> 43:04 [SPEAKER_01]: So you know what, man?
43:04 --> 43:07 [SPEAKER_01]: On that note, that wraps up this edition of the Marine Lighter Podcasts.
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