Episode 122: Trevor May (Retired Big Leaguer), Emerson Hancock Has Done All The Mariners Can Ask, And Detailing Cal Raleigh's Scorching Week

[00:00:00] Welcome to episode number 122 of the Marine Layer Podcast.

[00:00:03] We welcome on retired big leaguer, Trevor May.

[00:00:06] We chat about him wanting to pitch for the Mariners,

[00:00:09] his passion for baseball media, attending the playoff game,

[00:00:12] and talking through some of his new YouTube content.

[00:00:15] Really cool conversation with Trevor.

[00:00:17] We have our two Mariners storylines.

[00:00:19] Emerson Hancock has done a really admirable job

[00:00:22] of filling in the five spot in the Mariners rotation

[00:00:24] and Cal Raleigh beginning to heat up.

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[00:01:14] Recording here on Monday, April 22nd on an off day

[00:01:19] and because we have all the time in the world, Lyle,

[00:01:21] I want to give us a chance to respond to start this episode.

[00:01:24] You and I are very pro-roof.

[00:01:28] We like roofs on stadiums.

[00:01:31] It doesn't have to be an indoor dome.

[00:01:33] It can be a retractable roof like T-Mobile Park,

[00:01:36] something that keeps the elements out of a ballpark.

[00:01:38] So when we roll around this past Friday

[00:01:41] and the Mariners get snowed out in Colorado,

[00:01:44] I put a reaction out saying this is unacceptable

[00:01:47] that major league teams are still getting snowed out

[00:01:50] and rained out.

[00:01:51] There are ways around it here in the year 2024.

[00:01:55] And man, it seemed like that was an unpopular opinion.

[00:01:59] How am I in the wrong here?

[00:02:03] You're asking the wrong person

[00:02:05] because I would reiterate every single word

[00:02:07] you said in that social post.

[00:02:08] The thing is, I don't even think Mariners fans

[00:02:10] were out here disagreeing with you.

[00:02:12] Most of the comments seemed to be from other fan bases

[00:02:15] of other teams that had our posts hit their algorithm

[00:02:19] and clearly had some response to fire off

[00:02:21] because it did not seem like a lot of Mariners fans

[00:02:24] that were responding to it.

[00:02:25] I think a lot of Mariners fans felt what we felt,

[00:02:27] saying, hey, guess what?

[00:02:28] Seattle rains all the time.

[00:02:30] What did this team have to do?

[00:02:32] They said to put up a serviceable ballpark

[00:02:35] when they built the new ballpark

[00:02:37] and save code now T-Mobile needs a roof.

[00:02:40] It rains way too much in Seattle.

[00:02:41] Games are gonna get canceled and delayed all the time.

[00:02:43] There's other places where that rains true also,

[00:02:46] yet there's no roof.

[00:02:48] It is snowing in Denver, snowing!

[00:02:52] No retractable roof.

[00:02:54] Denver, out of all months of the year,

[00:02:57] did you know Denver has the second most snow

[00:02:59] of any month of the year in April?

[00:03:01] While Major League Baseball is being played.

[00:03:02] Second most of any month is April

[00:03:05] and yet there is no prevention of that.

[00:03:08] There's not like what if you play

[00:03:09] in your entire Friday night around going to a Friday night

[00:03:12] Rockies Mariners games and the game gets called

[00:03:15] because well, there's nothing preventing the snow

[00:03:17] which clearly falls all the time in Denver

[00:03:20] from getting on the field.

[00:03:20] And you just throw up your hands, oh, oh well.

[00:03:24] So here's the couple of arguments.

[00:03:26] Roof are ugly, yeah they're not the prettiest thing

[00:03:28] in the world but are we really talking about

[00:03:30] like the modern day ballpark?

[00:03:32] Yeah, the roofs are so ugly

[00:03:34] like modern architecture is overly beautiful.

[00:03:37] Really?

[00:03:38] Really?

[00:03:39] Do we care about beautiful ballparks?

[00:03:41] Because like for example,

[00:03:44] like just throw the ranger stadium out there.

[00:03:46] Sure that has a roof but it's like new

[00:03:47] and they had to build an indoors to keep the heat out.

[00:03:50] Like really is that beautiful?

[00:03:52] Is that beautiful?

[00:03:53] Would you say like truest park is like a beautiful ballpark?

[00:03:57] Like truly beautiful.

[00:03:58] That's pretty nice.

[00:04:00] Beautiful, like the argument is that roofs

[00:04:05] hamper the aesthetic of the ballpark.

[00:04:08] That's not the case with T-Mobile Park.

[00:04:10] T-Mobile Park's one of the nicest parks in baseball

[00:04:11] and it has a roof.

[00:04:12] Correct, right.

[00:04:13] So would there be any difference

[00:04:14] if they threw a roof on truest park for example?

[00:04:17] A new ballpark?

[00:04:18] No because if it's retractable

[00:04:20] it still looks the exact same when the sun's out

[00:04:22] because the roof wouldn't be on

[00:04:24] and you're playing baseball games under the sun.

[00:04:26] It's just for when it rains people.

[00:04:29] Like you don't have to make your ballpark look like

[00:04:31] Chase Field which TJ famously likes to coin it

[00:04:33] the inside of a Costco.

[00:04:35] Doesn't have to look like that.

[00:04:37] You just need a roof that retracts

[00:04:38] like T-Mobile Park does.

[00:04:39] To your point of well, it looks ugly

[00:04:42] and let you first off I think

[00:04:44] that's kind of a dumb argument

[00:04:45] and the other point

[00:04:47] that people seem to be hitting home a lot was

[00:04:49] oh well baseball is meant to be played outdoors.

[00:04:52] It's an outdoor game.

[00:04:53] Baseball is meant to be played.

[00:04:55] Not canceled because there's water on the ground.

[00:04:57] So thank you for coming to my TED Talk.

[00:05:00] And when you have a retractable roof

[00:05:01] you're still outside.

[00:05:02] If you walk around T-Mobile Park

[00:05:04] if you ever or unless you go in the press area

[00:05:06] or the terrace club are you ever inside?

[00:05:08] No, no you're outside.

[00:05:10] You are 100% outside all the time.

[00:05:12] Ask all the people who are up there

[00:05:13] on the 300 level right under the roof

[00:05:16] but still freezing their ass off every single game.

[00:05:19] I will give the people in the comments this.

[00:05:21] I did not lay out my two stipulations

[00:05:23] for building a ballpark in 2024.

[00:05:26] What do I say?

[00:05:27] It either needs to have a roof,

[00:05:29] either permanent or retractable.

[00:05:31] I would prefer retractable

[00:05:32] because I like stadiums outside.

[00:05:33] However, if it does rain enough

[00:05:36] you gotta have some prevention to that

[00:05:38] or you build a ballpark like Wrigley.

[00:05:41] Those are the only two rules.

[00:05:43] You either make your ballpark such a gem

[00:05:47] and so can't miss

[00:05:49] that you can withstand not having a roof

[00:05:52] like Wrigley Field.

[00:05:53] That's fine.

[00:05:54] It is picturesque.

[00:05:56] I wish there were more ballparks like Wrigley Field

[00:05:58] but there are not unfortunately

[00:05:59] or you put a goddamn roof on your stadium.

[00:06:03] That's simple.

[00:06:04] Yeah.

[00:06:05] Benway Park would never roof either.

[00:06:07] That's fine.

[00:06:07] That falls along the same lines of Wrigley Field.

[00:06:10] It's older, historic.

[00:06:12] People go to see it for a reason.

[00:06:14] It's an attraction.

[00:06:16] Or just build a roof.

[00:06:17] Guess what?

[00:06:18] Cours Field ain't changing that much

[00:06:20] if there's a roof on that place.

[00:06:22] Like think for an example like Kaufman Stadium

[00:06:25] in the middle of absolute nowhere.

[00:06:27] Do you think anyone loses out

[00:06:29] by them having a roof on that stadium?

[00:06:31] No, not at all.

[00:06:33] Like what are you obstructing?

[00:06:34] And as we know from Mariners Legend

[00:06:38] and Hall of Famer Ichiro Suzuki

[00:06:40] it gets hot in Kansas City.

[00:06:43] As Brett Boone told us

[00:06:45] on our last podcast last week with them

[00:06:47] and we just posted a clip on social media about that too.

[00:06:49] That's another ballpark that could benefit

[00:06:51] from having a roof.

[00:06:52] Keep the heat out in the summer.

[00:06:55] I like what you're thinking.

[00:06:56] Now that would require more indoors

[00:06:58] but that could be a conversation

[00:07:00] with the Kansas City Legislator by the way

[00:07:02] who's right now working to try

[00:07:04] and build the Royals a new ballpark.

[00:07:06] And they have,

[00:07:08] I think they've still yet to be successful, right?

[00:07:09] They haven't landed anything.

[00:07:12] I think they were trying for the downtown park

[00:07:14] but I don't remember seeing it.

[00:07:15] Do you remember seeing an update on that?

[00:07:17] I thought they are getting a new stadium.

[00:07:19] I didn't remember if who's approved or not.

[00:07:24] You're asking the wrong person

[00:07:25] if there was pen to paper on it.

[00:07:26] I swore the tweet said that there is a new ballpark

[00:07:28] coming to Kansas City in eight years

[00:07:31] or something like that.

[00:07:32] But yeah. Interesting.

[00:07:34] Well, yeah, I guess we'll see.

[00:07:35] So and with every new park that's built

[00:07:38] Lyle and I will be watching very closely

[00:07:40] because if you don't follow the rules

[00:07:44] you're subject to getting trash on this podcast.

[00:07:47] And as we know before we transition

[00:07:50] if we've learned anything from doing stuff

[00:07:52] on social media is when you find something that works

[00:07:55] you keep doing it because clearly it works for a reason.

[00:07:58] So I'll tell you what,

[00:07:59] when Mariners have rain delays this year or cancellations

[00:08:02] oh you're gonna hear us talk about it on social media.

[00:08:05] I can promise you that.

[00:08:08] Let's get to our Mariners storylines.

[00:08:10] Up first wanna give some love to Emerson Hancock.

[00:08:13] What an admirable job he has done in the five spot this year

[00:08:17] filling in for Brian Wu

[00:08:18] who also had a really good performance this weekend

[00:08:21] as he's getting it working his way back.

[00:08:23] He's probably gonna debut against the Astros

[00:08:25] in a couple of weeks

[00:08:26] but in his spot Emerson Hancock has exceeded expectations.

[00:08:30] My expectations were sort of flat

[00:08:32] right in the middle for Emerson Hancock.

[00:08:33] I was hoping, you know, he would go

[00:08:35] somewhere between four and five innings in his starts

[00:08:38] and allow three runs and limit damage

[00:08:40] and overall just sort of try and keep the Mariners

[00:08:42] in the game and let the Mariners bullpen

[00:08:44] bring up the rear of it and close out the game

[00:08:47] and sort of use more arms that way.

[00:08:49] It has not been that way.

[00:08:50] Distance has not been an issue with Emerson Hancock

[00:08:53] and he has really, he has fit right in

[00:08:56] in this Mariners streak

[00:08:57] of just excellent starting pitching over the last two weeks.

[00:09:01] So if you just pulled up his stats

[00:09:03] on baseball reference or fan graphs

[00:09:04] it wouldn't look that pretty

[00:09:06] because he had one start in Milwaukee

[00:09:07] which we know he got blown up.

[00:09:09] The Brewers hit him very hard.

[00:09:10] He exited that game early.

[00:09:12] Look at the other three starts he's had.

[00:09:14] If you combine Emerson Hancock's other three starts

[00:09:17] and throw out that Milwaukee start

[00:09:19] his ERA right now is 311.

[00:09:21] That's your five guy.

[00:09:23] And when everybody's healthy, that's your number six guy.

[00:09:25] It's pretty good.

[00:09:26] 311 ERA

[00:09:28] in three of his four starts.

[00:09:31] It's pretty good.

[00:09:33] And he's a guy who's working through things too.

[00:09:35] It's not like he can't get better

[00:09:36] as the season goes along.

[00:09:37] We just use the example of him facing the Rockies

[00:09:40] on Sunday in the second game of the double header.

[00:09:42] And think of what he's up against.

[00:09:44] We just watched Kirby in game one.

[00:09:46] He battled but he shut the Rockies out for five innings.

[00:09:48] He clearly wasn't 100%.

[00:09:50] I don't think Scott Service wanted to use

[00:09:52] all of his high leverage guys in game one

[00:09:53] but he ended up doing it.

[00:09:55] So Emerson Hancock is facing two things.

[00:09:57] They're playing the second game of the day.

[00:09:59] The bullpen is short, especially leverage arms.

[00:10:02] So no pressure.

[00:10:03] He's got to go out there and perform.

[00:10:04] And that's exactly what he did.

[00:10:05] He got hit around a little bit in the first inning.

[00:10:07] But after a Polanco error in the first

[00:10:10] and you end up a two run double,

[00:10:12] he retired 18 of 21 batters

[00:10:14] and allowed three total singles the rest of the game.

[00:10:17] That's bouncing back right there.

[00:10:18] That's bouncing back even against a pretty bad lineup.

[00:10:22] Rocky scored four runs all weekend

[00:10:23] but that's also a testament to the Mariners pitching staff.

[00:10:26] He's throwing a lot of strikes.

[00:10:28] His stuff's not overwhelming

[00:10:29] but he's filling up the strike zone

[00:10:31] and he is limiting damage.

[00:10:33] That's the best of what Emerson Hancock could do

[00:10:34] right now because he doesn't really have

[00:10:36] to swing a miss fastball.

[00:10:37] His changeup is good enough when he can locate it

[00:10:39] and his slider is fine.

[00:10:41] So when he gets to those,

[00:10:42] especially the secondary pitches,

[00:10:44] he can survive and certainly he has survived.

[00:10:47] I just recommend people don't look

[00:10:49] at his baseball savant page

[00:10:50] because you might find a different conclusion for yourself.

[00:10:56] He's not walking anybody.

[00:10:57] They throw a lot of strikes.

[00:10:59] So give him credit there.

[00:11:00] You want to talk about his baseball savant page,

[00:11:02] his walk rate very, very good.

[00:11:04] It's in the 89th percentile.

[00:11:07] With the rest of it,

[00:11:08] the underlying numbers overall are not great for Emerson.

[00:11:10] How much of that is because of the Milwaukee start?

[00:11:14] Probably a decent amount

[00:11:15] but there's a lot of things not helping him.

[00:11:17] Not striking out a ton of batters

[00:11:19] and not throwing a bunch of ground balls.

[00:11:22] It's not a whole lot of ground balls coming up.

[00:11:24] A lot of fly balls, little line drives.

[00:11:26] It's not a really good formula

[00:11:27] getting hit hard a little bit.

[00:11:28] So that's all things he can go down there

[00:11:30] and work on in Tacoma.

[00:11:32] We'll probably see Emerson Hancock again this season.

[00:11:35] He's going to get one more start next weekend

[00:11:37] back at home against the Arizona Diamondbacks

[00:11:40] and then Brian Wu will be back in the swing.

[00:11:42] We can imagine if Brian Wu stays healthy for these weeks.

[00:11:45] But really, man, the expectations that we set

[00:11:48] for Emerson Hancock coming up here,

[00:11:50] I don't know if it was this.

[00:11:52] I don't think it was this.

[00:11:53] And I think we've seen what we've needed to

[00:11:56] to feel confident when he's called upon again

[00:11:59] because I think that's a when, not an if

[00:12:01] that you'd feel pretty confident with him filling in.

[00:12:04] At some point he's going to need to make more starts this year.

[00:12:07] We will see him back in the big leagues, almost certainly.

[00:12:10] And yeah, if Emerson Hancock's done anything for himself,

[00:12:14] he is without a doubt the first guy

[00:12:16] that's going to get called.

[00:12:17] If there's an injury,

[00:12:18] if they need somebody to start in a doubleheader, it's him.

[00:12:21] Because he's earned that over both, I guess,

[00:12:25] you can look at the couple of starts he had last year

[00:12:27] but really what he's done since then.

[00:12:28] And he's not perfect, right?

[00:12:30] You talk about he doesn't get a lot of swing and miss

[00:12:32] strikeouts or something.

[00:12:33] He needs to still rack up more of.

[00:12:35] He needs to, you know, limit hard hit balls.

[00:12:39] That's a certainty.

[00:12:40] But he has done everything you could ask a number five

[00:12:44] type of starter to do.

[00:12:46] And yeah, he has things to work on.

[00:12:47] I think keeping his velocity up throughout the duration

[00:12:51] of a start will be something to watch in Tacoma too

[00:12:53] because we've seen him hit that 96, 97 a bit

[00:12:56] but it hasn't stayed consistent throughout a start.

[00:12:58] Often as Vilo goes down as some outings go on.

[00:13:01] So that could be something he works on

[00:13:02] when he gets down to triple A.

[00:13:04] Assuming he's the one that gets moved off the roster

[00:13:07] when Wu's healthy.

[00:13:08] But if we're talking results,

[00:13:12] I wanna say this in the right way.

[00:13:14] I am like, what have I talked about?

[00:13:16] I'm the high man on Brian Wu.

[00:13:17] I think Brian Wu's upside is crazy.

[00:13:19] But if you're just gonna look at the Mariners record

[00:13:21] and the starts that Emerson Hancock has made,

[00:13:24] I don't know if through four games,

[00:13:26] the Mariners look that different with Brian Wu

[00:13:29] pitching these four games and Hancock.

[00:13:31] Now long-term, having Brian Wu is an upgrade

[00:13:34] and there's no doubt about it

[00:13:36] because we know what he can do when he's at his best.

[00:13:38] We know what his ceiling holds.

[00:13:40] But through the four starts that Hancock's made,

[00:13:42] I don't think the Mariners look all that different

[00:13:43] as the team record wise now

[00:13:45] if they've been Wu pitching these games over Hancock.

[00:13:48] No, I don't think so.

[00:13:48] And now that Brian Wu has ramped back up

[00:13:51] and he essentially got the first few weeks

[00:13:53] of the season off on the injured list

[00:13:56] to now ramp up and start pitching again.

[00:13:58] I'm hoping we see this kind of length

[00:14:00] from Brian Wu as well because I don't know,

[00:14:03] especially at the beginning of the season,

[00:14:05] we would have seen quite the amount,

[00:14:07] like the innings coverage from Brian Wu here early

[00:14:09] as we've seen from Emerson Hancock.

[00:14:10] Is that fair?

[00:14:13] Yeah, because Wu's gonna be on an innings limit.

[00:14:15] Now I assume Hancock is on some limit too, right?

[00:14:18] Because he hasn't thrown a full season in a long time.

[00:14:20] He had some injuries last year

[00:14:21] and the season before that.

[00:14:23] We know he's been a bit injury prone in his career.

[00:14:25] But I would assume as the season prolongs,

[00:14:29] you'll start to see Wu get stretched out.

[00:14:31] But his first couple outings,

[00:14:32] yeah, he may go four or five.

[00:14:33] That's fair.

[00:14:35] Before we move on to our next storyline,

[00:14:36] can we just touch on Wu for a second?

[00:14:38] I mean, holy crap.

[00:14:41] Nine up, nine down, five strikeouts

[00:14:44] in his first rehab start that was in Vegas.

[00:14:47] Do look like he hasn't missed a single beat.

[00:14:51] Obviously they're gonna give him another rehab start

[00:14:53] but just watching that outing

[00:14:55] because I had both screens up on Sunday.

[00:14:57] I was watching Brian Wu starts.

[00:14:59] I was kind of flipping that game on and off.

[00:15:01] I would turn the Tacoma game on

[00:15:02] in the innings he was pitching

[00:15:03] while also watching the Mariners.

[00:15:05] And I'm sitting there being like, wow, like he's ready.

[00:15:08] Like that's the irresponsible thing to say.

[00:15:10] And as a podcaster, I'm sitting here saying it,

[00:15:12] of course they're gonna give him another rehab outing

[00:15:14] to make sure he's all systems go

[00:15:16] but watching what he did in that outing.

[00:15:18] Yeah, like there's a reason

[00:15:20] I'm excited about Brian Wu.

[00:15:22] I can't wait for him to get back.

[00:15:23] It's the easiest 95 miles an hour I've ever seen, really.

[00:15:27] I mean, it looks like he's soft tossing it.

[00:15:30] Yeah.

[00:15:31] So we're looking forward to it.

[00:15:33] So I think it's what May 1st against the Astros

[00:15:36] when he scheduled the throw.

[00:15:38] Yeah, or so May 1st is the final game against the Braves.

[00:15:41] It would be that weekend in Houston.

[00:15:43] May 3rd against the Astros then

[00:15:45] because they have an off day after that.

[00:15:46] Right.

[00:15:47] If he pitches that first game, yeah.

[00:15:49] Right.

[00:15:49] It's sometime during that weekend in Houston.

[00:15:52] I guess I'll make one more point here on the Hancock topic.

[00:15:55] Is there any chance the Mariners would think

[00:15:58] about a six man rotation for a little bit?

[00:16:00] Because I'm looking at the schedule.

[00:16:01] There's not a lot of off days in May.

[00:16:03] In fact, there's two.

[00:16:04] There's one on the second and there's one on the 16th.

[00:16:07] Not a lot of off days.

[00:16:08] Like to manage the innings of Wu and Hancock

[00:16:11] would they even think about it for a little bit?

[00:16:13] I think at this point,

[00:16:14] it's more important to have those bullpen arms

[00:16:16] than to have an extra starter.

[00:16:18] I think it would be more valuable to the Mariners

[00:16:20] winning games than to have those extra bullpen arms

[00:16:24] then run with a six man rotation

[00:16:25] because you can still control innings

[00:16:27] with a five man rotation, even without the off days.

[00:16:30] You can control innings,

[00:16:31] especially with Emerson Hancock down in AAA.

[00:16:33] Now he does not need to throw his full pitch count

[00:16:35] every start.

[00:16:36] He can throw four, five innings hard cap

[00:16:39] not based on how well he's pitching.

[00:16:41] So they can manage that no problem.

[00:16:44] And if they feel like once they get,

[00:16:46] so they do that with Emerson

[00:16:48] and then say they get near the all star break

[00:16:50] and they're thinking, okay, we're gonna do the,

[00:16:52] we're gonna skip Wu and give them essentially

[00:16:54] an extra week and a half of rest

[00:16:57] coming out of the all star break, something like that.

[00:16:59] And they call Hancock up

[00:17:00] because they've been managing his innings at that point.

[00:17:03] Then that works out

[00:17:04] and then you can sort of give Wu a break

[00:17:06] and get Emerson back into the fold.

[00:17:08] Something like that I would imagine.

[00:17:10] Okay.

[00:17:11] Fair enough.

[00:17:11] Yeah, the Mariners bullpen arms have been great too

[00:17:13] and you don't want to sacrifice those guys

[00:17:15] because they've been so valuable.

[00:17:17] It's just an idea to keep arms fresh

[00:17:19] and with not a whole lot of off days,

[00:17:21] but you're right.

[00:17:22] Likelihood is when Wu gets back,

[00:17:24] Hancock will go back to Tacoma.

[00:17:26] You'll see him at some point again this year,

[00:17:27] but seriously shout out to Emerson Hancock.

[00:17:30] We didn't know exactly what he was gonna bring

[00:17:31] to the table.

[00:17:32] He's been really impressive in three of his four outings.

[00:17:35] I should say he's pitched very competitively

[00:17:37] in those, in three of his four outings.

[00:17:38] Like you said, he's exceeded expectations

[00:17:40] and I genuinely think his change up's a good pitch

[00:17:44] and I'm glad he started to throw it more this year too

[00:17:46] because he didn't throw it a whole ton last year.

[00:17:48] You've seen the usage of it significantly increase up.

[00:17:51] I think it's helped him.

[00:17:52] That change up's a good pitch when he throws it.

[00:17:54] And the next thing for him,

[00:17:55] he's just gotta be able to find the sequencing

[00:17:58] to get to that pitch

[00:17:59] cause he's not gonna throw only change ups in an outing.

[00:18:02] That like needs to find like whether it be a sinker

[00:18:05] or as fast while find some sort of effectiveness

[00:18:07] with those pitches to get to that change up.

[00:18:09] Right, right.

[00:18:11] But I listened to Pete Wordworth talk about

[00:18:12] on the top step.

[00:18:13] Shout out our friend Ryan Rollinsmith talking about

[00:18:16] when is Emerson Hancock at his best?

[00:18:18] When he's throwing his change up with command

[00:18:21] and with confidence.

[00:18:22] Like the Mariners really liked that pitch.

[00:18:24] There's an organizational belief

[00:18:25] that that's a very good pitch.

[00:18:27] So it's good.

[00:18:29] Shout out to Emerson Hancock.

[00:18:30] He's really done his job.

[00:18:32] All right, before we get to our second storyline,

[00:18:34] let's take a quick pause here.

[00:18:36] We're gonna talk to you guys about who?

[00:18:37] Our friends over at Pagotius Pub 85.

[00:18:39] That's over in Kirkland.

[00:18:40] Season's rolling along.

[00:18:41] We just talked about Brian Woo's start, right?

[00:18:43] Maybe you're a big Brian Woo fan too

[00:18:44] and you wanna see him make his first outing

[00:18:46] in a couple of weeks.

[00:18:47] Maybe you wanna watch some Mariners games before that.

[00:18:49] Head over there and do it.

[00:18:50] Because you can sit along with your friends,

[00:18:51] you can play some pool and some darts while you're at it.

[00:18:53] You can get some great food

[00:18:55] and some great drink specials like we say,

[00:18:57] what's a perfect formula?

[00:18:58] You can hang out with your friends,

[00:18:59] get there before the game start,

[00:19:01] go during happy hour

[00:19:02] and you can get some good drink specials

[00:19:04] before first pitch.

[00:19:05] That includes two to 6 p.m. happy hour

[00:19:07] on Monday through Fridays.

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[00:19:11] $4 Mac and Jacks, $4 Wells and $4 Housewines.

[00:19:14] All of that is over at Pagotius Pub 85 in Kirkland.

[00:19:20] So Cal Raleigh as we transition to our second storyline.

[00:19:24] Mariners offense is starting to heat up

[00:19:26] and reason number one over the last week or so

[00:19:30] is Mr. Big Dumber, number 29.

[00:19:33] Historic you could say his weekend was

[00:19:36] because 7,500th home run in franchise history,

[00:19:39] the one he hit.

[00:19:41] But not only that, I mean he just torched the ball

[00:19:44] six for 13, two home runs drove in five.

[00:19:47] His home runs he went dead center

[00:19:50] and then he went oppo as a lefty.

[00:19:52] Do you remember like he's only done that twice.

[00:19:54] Do you realize that he's only gone oppo

[00:19:57] hitting left handed twice ever.

[00:20:00] Do you remember the other one?

[00:20:02] No, not and usually they have a good memory

[00:20:04] but not off memory.

[00:20:06] Gauzman in 22 in Toronto

[00:20:09] is the start of Cal Raleigh's ownership

[00:20:11] of the country of Canada.

[00:20:13] That's right, that's right.

[00:20:14] He's definitely done it right handed a couple of times

[00:20:16] like he just did in Toronto like a week or two ago

[00:20:19] but yeah, it doesn't happen a whole lot

[00:20:22] from the left side oppo bombs.

[00:20:24] That was actually I think his first one right handed.

[00:20:27] First one ever so he has one oppo right handed

[00:20:29] two oppo left handed.

[00:20:32] I will say speaking of the right handed home runs

[00:20:34] if you wanna start to look at what has stemmed

[00:20:37] some of Cal Raleigh's success aside from him

[00:20:39] now getting back to doing what he usually does

[00:20:41] barreling up the ball hitting it hard

[00:20:43] which translates to power which we know Cal Raleigh has.

[00:20:46] He's swung it from the right side so far.

[00:20:48] Small sample, he's swung it.

[00:20:50] Two of his five home runs are from the right side.

[00:20:52] He's got a 958 OPS as a right hand bat so far.

[00:20:56] Pretty good.

[00:20:56] They were pretty good considering we heard,

[00:20:58] I mean there were people out there.

[00:20:59] There was people in our comments last year saying

[00:21:02] well it's time for Cal Raleigh

[00:21:03] to just ditch the right hand side

[00:21:05] and only be a left hand hitter.

[00:21:06] Well maybe not people.

[00:21:08] Maybe Cal and the Mariners know what they're doing

[00:21:11] because Cal's hit pretty well from the right side.

[00:21:13] He's the most hilarious slash line ever

[00:21:15] from the right side, 182-250-727.

[00:21:20] So you know however you're gonna get it done

[00:21:23] you gotta get it done.

[00:21:24] That's how you do it.

[00:21:25] It's been sort of an interesting profile for Cal Raleigh.

[00:21:28] I don't really think this is the Mariners new

[00:21:29] offensive approach in planting on Cal Raleigh.

[00:21:33] I think Cal Raleigh is just doing a better job

[00:21:35] of overall hitting the ball harder.

[00:21:36] The differences in his profile

[00:21:38] and the small sample this year

[00:21:40] to what we saw last year is he's more consistently

[00:21:42] hitting the ball hard, barreling it more

[00:21:45] and the combination of average exit velocity

[00:21:48] and a hard hit rate have been significantly better.

[00:21:51] And on top of that like you said

[00:21:53] he's walking a whole lot more.

[00:21:54] His walk rate's up 4%.

[00:21:56] So he's seeing the pitches he wants.

[00:22:00] He's hitting them extremely hard

[00:22:02] than when a pitch is outside of the zone

[00:22:03] he's done a good enough job laying off

[00:22:06] and drawing his walks.

[00:22:07] It's pretty important as a catcher

[00:22:08] and it's reflected well in his offensive game so far.

[00:22:12] Do we think his walk rate's gonna stay up this year

[00:22:14] or do we think this is an early season trend?

[00:22:16] His Cal does walk.

[00:22:17] He was a nine and a half percent walk rate guy last year.

[00:22:20] He walks usually above 9%, which is a good clip

[00:22:23] but if he's actually gonna up tick it a little bit

[00:22:25] the more the merrier.

[00:22:27] It could go up a tick.

[00:22:29] Well, I don't know.

[00:22:30] I don't think it's gonna stay at 13%.

[00:22:32] That's a little bit high for Cal Raleigh.

[00:22:34] I would be interested to see how the new approach

[00:22:37] with the plate affects Cal Raleigh.

[00:22:38] And what of this sustains?

[00:22:41] How is Cal Raleigh gonna look different

[00:22:43] with this brand-brown approach?

[00:22:44] There was a report today.

[00:22:45] Shannon Dreyer wrote about it

[00:22:47] and just sort of how the Mariners' Offense

[00:22:50] has caught its wheels a little bit.

[00:22:52] The tires hit the ground

[00:22:53] and started rolling a little bit

[00:22:55] with this offensive approach.

[00:22:56] And I think Scott was mentioning

[00:22:58] sometime in the first 10 games

[00:22:59] that he didn't feel like the offense

[00:23:02] that not enough guys on the offense

[00:23:03] were totally buying into the approach.

[00:23:06] Yeah, they didn't take it from Arizona back to Seattle.

[00:23:09] They kind of left it in Arizona.

[00:23:10] Now those guys are starting to sort of continue

[00:23:14] to buy into the approach

[00:23:15] and bring it to the games that actually count.

[00:23:18] And it seems like if the approach is 100% success-based,

[00:23:23] like Cal has found it,

[00:23:25] again, we're gonna see how it actually reflects

[00:23:27] in the season-long stats.

[00:23:28] But right now he's doing exactly

[00:23:30] what you wanna catch her to do.

[00:23:32] You wanna catch her to just be good

[00:23:33] at something offensively.

[00:23:35] He doesn't need to be the perfect hitter.

[00:23:36] He just needs to be really good at something.

[00:23:38] And for Cal Raleigh, it's hitting the ball hard

[00:23:40] and hitting it over the fence.

[00:23:43] And I will say, the offense is starting to come together.

[00:23:47] It's not perfect, not everybody's there yet,

[00:23:49] but in different ways and shapes

[00:23:52] you're starting to see it formulate now

[00:23:53] to your point about the approach

[00:23:55] starting to get better as a collective group.

[00:23:58] So Julio's last seven games, he's hitting 4-64.

[00:24:01] It's pretty good.

[00:24:02] Now he hasn't hit a home run yet.

[00:24:03] We all know that.

[00:24:04] There was a ball he hit in Colorado

[00:24:05] that had it not been awful conditions,

[00:24:07] would have gotten out.

[00:24:08] But you're starting to see him time it up better.

[00:24:10] You're starting to see him hit it harder.

[00:24:11] That's a great sign.

[00:24:13] Jorge Polanco last seven games,

[00:24:14] low average OPS is over 750.

[00:24:17] And we know Jorge Polanco started to get hot

[00:24:19] over the last stretches of different parts

[00:24:21] of the last week or two.

[00:24:23] And we saw him have a really good series

[00:24:25] about a week ago.

[00:24:26] So Jorge Polanco has gotten hot in different spurs.

[00:24:28] JP Crawford, he's not slugging yet.

[00:24:30] But again, last seven games he's hitting 2-67.

[00:24:33] So piece by piece, it's coming together.

[00:24:35] And then Cal, Cal's just been on a tear

[00:24:39] over the last week and a half.

[00:24:40] So yeah, it's all getting closer.

[00:24:42] The last piece here is Mitch Garber starting to really hit

[00:24:45] because they need that guy to hit.

[00:24:46] But piece by piece, it's not all perfect,

[00:24:49] but you're starting to see it get better.

[00:24:50] Did you just use batting average?

[00:24:52] Well, usually that would go against

[00:24:54] every single philosophy of this podcast.

[00:24:56] Usually I would not do that.

[00:24:57] However, in a seven game sample,

[00:25:00] I did use it because that sample's gonna be very small.

[00:25:05] Interesting.

[00:25:06] Did I just get fine?

[00:25:07] I don't know how to receive that.

[00:25:08] Did I just get fined in Kangaroo Court

[00:25:09] for using batting average?

[00:25:10] I think you did, yeah.

[00:25:11] You broke one of the rules of this podcast.

[00:25:14] It's like if you came out and said,

[00:25:16] TJ, I support Angel Hernandez

[00:25:17] in 100% of his decisions.

[00:25:21] Okay, Julio had a 10-19 OPS in his last seven years.

[00:25:23] Hey!

[00:25:25] That's a lot better.

[00:25:26] The problem is JP Crawford's not slugging at all

[00:25:29] in the last seven games.

[00:25:30] However, I'm trying to pinpoint that he is hitting.

[00:25:33] You could have said, hey, he almost hit a Grand Slam on Sunday.

[00:25:36] Right.

[00:25:38] And he still gets slugging points for the triple,

[00:25:41] but we know he's gonna have to hit for a little bit of power

[00:25:45] because that's what made him successful last year.

[00:25:48] But again, hitting 267 in his last seven games,

[00:25:51] I usually wouldn't talk about batting average,

[00:25:52] but it does show that he is starting to get more hits.

[00:25:56] Shame.

[00:25:57] Yeah. Shame.

[00:25:59] I just got finding him.

[00:26:00] It's like the Game of Thrones

[00:26:00] were walking you down the streets with a cowbell.

[00:26:04] Shame.

[00:26:06] Yeah.

[00:26:07] But all that being said,

[00:26:08] the best players are starting to figure it out a little bit.

[00:26:10] Garver needs to get going.

[00:26:12] I think he will buy it slowly,

[00:26:14] but surely it's coming together.

[00:26:15] This Texas series would be a good time.

[00:26:17] Garver will be back indoors

[00:26:18] sitting at a ballpark he's familiar with

[00:26:20] and against a staff he knows pretty, pretty well.

[00:26:23] So that would be a good sign.

[00:26:25] But overall, right, we're seeing the...

[00:26:27] Well, overall, we're seeing the combination

[00:26:28] of what we expected come together.

[00:26:30] We talked about it a little bit

[00:26:31] on the live stream on Sunday.

[00:26:33] The defense has gotten a little bit better.

[00:26:35] It has given the Mariners a chance in games.

[00:26:37] The offense has come around

[00:26:39] and the pitching has been unbelievable.

[00:26:41] When you have those three combined together,

[00:26:44] it is gonna be really hard for the Mariners

[00:26:45] to go on any sort of losing streak

[00:26:47] because there's too many components

[00:26:49] to winning baseball

[00:26:51] within those three pillars right there

[00:26:53] for the Mariners to have to worry about much at all.

[00:26:55] And there will more often than not

[00:26:56] be more wins than losses.

[00:26:58] So now like really the measuring stick,

[00:27:00] there will already be a game

[00:27:01] by the time this podcast comes out

[00:27:03] against the Texas Rangers.

[00:27:04] But this series against the Rangers

[00:27:07] is the first true measuring stick of the season

[00:27:10] when it comes to, okay,

[00:27:12] are these tangible differences noticed

[00:27:16] against the big dogs,

[00:27:17] against the team that just won the World Series last year?

[00:27:19] The team that you could not beat.

[00:27:21] If you beat them, you were in the playoffs,

[00:27:22] but you could not beat them.

[00:27:24] So you're not in the playoffs.

[00:27:25] That's where we're measuring up against for now.

[00:27:28] Yeah, agreed.

[00:27:29] It's gonna be a good series.

[00:27:31] I really enjoyed this conversation with Trevor May.

[00:27:33] Like I didn't, he really,

[00:27:35] what Trevor May does that I like so well,

[00:27:37] he sort of humanizes the athlete.

[00:27:40] And this is probably because I think,

[00:27:42] well, we don't have enough players

[00:27:44] doing their own thing in media.

[00:27:45] Maybe too many players on TV, for example,

[00:27:48] where you know, on TV, you're not,

[00:27:50] you're not really bringing your own personality out.

[00:27:52] But Trevor May is essentially now embracing

[00:27:56] his own content creator self,

[00:27:57] which he actually really, really enjoys.

[00:27:59] And you'll hear in the conversation how much,

[00:28:01] like really how much he enjoys doing this stuff.

[00:28:03] Like how much, like how much his brain

[00:28:06] is thinking about these things

[00:28:08] and how much he enjoys sort of bringing

[00:28:10] this type of content on his YouTube channel

[00:28:12] or any of his other expenditures

[00:28:15] around the game of baseball to people

[00:28:17] and just creating stuff all around it.

[00:28:20] He really loves this stuff.

[00:28:22] And I think it's good to have ball players

[00:28:23] who are willing to sort of learn

[00:28:25] and put out good content like this

[00:28:27] to talk about things that might not even know.

[00:28:29] For example, he has a video out there of

[00:28:31] what is it like the 24 things

[00:28:33] you didn't know big leaguers get.

[00:28:35] Very interesting video on his YouTube channel

[00:28:37] that a lot of these things I had no idea

[00:28:39] that you get being a big leager.

[00:28:42] And it's just one of the many interesting things

[00:28:44] he sort of brings to the table as a media personality

[00:28:47] now that he's retired.

[00:28:48] And he's a Pacific Northwest guy.

[00:28:51] If baseball had more Trevor Mays,

[00:28:54] the game would grow tenfold.

[00:28:56] Tenfold.

[00:28:57] He's awesome.

[00:28:58] And we get into so much with him

[00:29:00] both talking about him growing up

[00:29:02] as a Mariners fan.

[00:29:04] Again Pacific Northwest guy wanting to play

[00:29:06] for the Mariners when he was a free agent.

[00:29:07] We dive into that a little bit.

[00:29:09] Him being at the playoff game

[00:29:11] and about the whole content thing.

[00:29:13] He's known he's wanted to do content forever now

[00:29:15] well before he started playing.

[00:29:17] So he talks about that

[00:29:18] and we get into some of his YouTube videos too

[00:29:21] where he brings up some really cool topics

[00:29:22] and he goes in depth with us on it a little bit.

[00:29:25] Really fun.

[00:29:26] We cover a whole range of things.

[00:29:28] It was a really fun conversation with Trevor May.

[00:29:29] We're excited to have you guys hear it.

[00:29:31] Let's get you guys to the conversation now

[00:29:33] with Trevor May.

[00:29:37] All right, we've got Trevor May,

[00:29:39] 10 year big league pitcher,

[00:29:40] also baseball content creator on YouTube,

[00:29:43] on Twitch, on all your short form

[00:29:45] social media platforms.

[00:29:46] And now newest host of FAL territory.

[00:29:50] You can be honest,

[00:29:52] is the biggest perk of being on FAL territory

[00:29:55] getting to get Scott Braun's hair routine

[00:29:57] or his workout routine?

[00:30:01] We'll go with hair for now.

[00:30:02] I'm still updating my hair

[00:30:05] and not that he's not in phenomenal shape

[00:30:07] but you know what, I got some experience working out too.

[00:30:09] So I got some confidence there.

[00:30:11] I know I can take care of myself

[00:30:12] but yeah, the hair looks great.

[00:30:13] I mean, that's one thing that I,

[00:30:15] he's definitely on another level than me for sure.

[00:30:18] But Trevor, you still pretty good hair.

[00:30:20] That's solid hair.

[00:30:21] He'll actually, you know, I changed my part this year,

[00:30:25] more to a natural area

[00:30:27] and it's really paying dividends.

[00:30:30] I'll be honest, I'm very happy

[00:30:31] even though I'm wearing a hat today.

[00:30:32] We watched the hair today.

[00:30:34] I feel like I'm my wife now.

[00:30:37] These are things she says.

[00:30:38] Oh, it's hair washing day.

[00:30:40] But yeah, yeah, I've been practicing.

[00:30:43] We'll see but Scott's got secrets.

[00:30:47] What's the biggest difference between playing hair

[00:30:49] and non-playing hair for Trevor May?

[00:30:52] Nothing yet.

[00:30:53] I let it grow last year.

[00:30:55] Usually I'm just kind of lazy

[00:30:57] and it gets unruly

[00:30:59] and now I have no excuse

[00:31:01] but to have a standing appointment with my barber.

[00:31:05] So it'll be that I'm on TV a little bit more.

[00:31:09] So or I guess internet TV.

[00:31:12] I'm on camera a lot more.

[00:31:13] So I am realizing like,

[00:31:15] dang, I gotta like really think about this.

[00:31:17] I'm gonna take care of it now.

[00:31:18] Which kind of stinks but at the same time,

[00:31:22] you know, you gotta transition some point.

[00:31:25] So are we talking haircuts every two weeks, every month?

[00:31:28] Like how often is it gonna be?

[00:31:30] It's over three weeks right now

[00:31:32] which is kind of the sweet spot.

[00:31:34] So it can grow a little bit

[00:31:35] but yeah, I'm not the high fade guy anymore.

[00:31:38] We're going more with a retired guy haircut.

[00:31:42] Well, Trevor, congrats really on joining FALT Territory.

[00:31:46] And it sounds like you are keeping yourself

[00:31:48] as busy as possible in the baseball retirement world

[00:31:52] but since FALT Territory is the most recent addition

[00:31:56] to your portfolio,

[00:31:58] what was so intriguing about wanting to join them

[00:32:01] and hang out with Scott Braun, friend of this show.

[00:32:03] He's awesome but they do a really great job

[00:32:05] over there at FALT Territory.

[00:32:06] So what made that so appealing for you?

[00:32:10] Yeah, I'm aware of them.

[00:32:12] It's a very similarly formatted to a lot of like your stuff

[00:32:21] on MLB TV or whatever

[00:32:23] but I like that there's so many players involved

[00:32:27] and that it's theirs.

[00:32:30] There's not as much,

[00:32:32] you don't have to worry so much about having a hot take

[00:32:35] or criticizing an owner frankly.

[00:32:39] That was big because I think we have been well established

[00:32:42] that I have no problem doing that now.

[00:32:45] So that was a lot of it.

[00:32:47] And then I'll be honest, a big kicker

[00:32:49] and not take anything away from all the guys

[00:32:51] but the fact that Locain is involved.

[00:32:53] I cannot wait to do a show with Locain.

[00:32:55] He's like, I've been in my mirror from afar

[00:32:58] that he retired on his 10 years to the day

[00:33:02] is like the thing that everyone

[00:33:03] all relievers joke about.

[00:33:05] Like, oh, I can't wait to retire right

[00:33:06] when I get my pension.

[00:33:07] He actually did it, which is incredible.

[00:33:11] And the day he did that I was like, my man,

[00:33:14] he's lived the dream so Locain being there is a lot to do

[00:33:19] but yeah, it's just fun.

[00:33:21] They're doing a great job.

[00:33:22] And I think that it's kind of the players

[00:33:27] players that freshly retire.

[00:33:30] It's kind of our job a little bit

[00:33:33] to continue to grow the game.

[00:33:35] And I think we have more of a connection to younger fans

[00:33:38] than powers to be for the big media around the game.

[00:33:42] So I saw that as an opportunity as well.

[00:33:45] And yeah, working with Scott and everybody is always,

[00:33:48] you know, their consummate professionals

[00:33:50] and they know what they're doing over there

[00:33:51] and I like the team.

[00:33:53] So yeah, it's gonna be a good time.

[00:33:54] And I have a little bit of a,

[00:33:56] I'm the only pitcher too.

[00:33:57] So like they needed a pitcher

[00:33:59] but you can't have a show with 10 players.

[00:34:01] That's awful.

[00:34:02] So yeah, I filled that gap as well.

[00:34:05] So it just made sense.

[00:34:06] As a recently retired player,

[00:34:08] like very freshly retired, you can speak on this.

[00:34:11] What is that trust factor between

[00:34:14] but knowing there's like other very recently retired players

[00:34:17] who want this platform to be for players

[00:34:20] as opposed to say like an MLB network or something else?

[00:34:25] Yeah, it's important that, you know,

[00:34:26] they understand because it's fresh like what we wanted.

[00:34:31] It's just more fun when you can let loose

[00:34:34] a little bit or not feel so can't,

[00:34:36] like you have to have canned answers

[00:34:38] because you don't wanna upset anybody.

[00:34:42] And it feels like guys are more open

[00:34:44] to speaking their mind when they feel a little more comfortable.

[00:34:47] And it's not even about like super hot takes

[00:34:49] or like, you know, coming out, going in on somebody

[00:34:51] like they're coaching staff or whatever.

[00:34:53] But you know, you should be able to be like,

[00:34:55] you know, I'm not necessarily happy with this situation

[00:34:58] and that's understandable.

[00:35:00] I think that that space just doesn't exist.

[00:35:02] Like there's just no, there's nowhere to do that.

[00:35:05] You know, you can vent to the PA

[00:35:08] but like that's kind of the same thing.

[00:35:11] So it's not really, there's not a lot to,

[00:35:15] if you're not happy with how things are going

[00:35:18] because I feel like there's been a lot

[00:35:20] of things like that recently with the lockout.

[00:35:23] And then we had 2020 and we have,

[00:35:26] now we have all this, like all the rule changes.

[00:35:28] Like it's every single year

[00:35:29] there's something that players like have to push against

[00:35:31] and we don't have any ways to push against things

[00:35:36] when, you know, the powers to be have control

[00:35:38] of the levers of the communication and the narrative.

[00:35:41] And we haven't, nothing really exists.

[00:35:44] There's just a very little that the players can do

[00:35:47] to give their own messaging.

[00:35:49] So being part of that process I think is great.

[00:35:52] And I think these guys get it also.

[00:35:55] I mean, it's not like the number one mission statement

[00:35:59] but you know, it's guys, you know,

[00:36:01] pap and cats and phrase and like these guys don't have it

[00:36:05] have reputations for speaking their minds as players.

[00:36:07] And so now they have a platform to do it.

[00:36:09] It's just a group of guys that like,

[00:36:10] you need those guys in the clubhouse

[00:36:11] or wouldn't be like, ah, this is stupid.

[00:36:13] This is stupid.

[00:36:14] We don't want to do, we're not doing this.

[00:36:16] You got to have those guys

[00:36:17] and all those guys were those guys in their clubhouses.

[00:36:19] So having them on, in the media is awesome.

[00:36:24] Well, speaking of having a platform to speak their minds

[00:36:27] you've been pretty involved in content,

[00:36:29] in media for a while, like well before you retired.

[00:36:32] So at what point in your career

[00:36:34] did you start to say to yourself,

[00:36:36] oh, I like having a voice.

[00:36:37] I want to talk about certain things.

[00:36:39] I want to connect with fans in this way.

[00:36:40] Like when did you start to get the idea

[00:36:42] that you wanted to be involved in some sort of media?

[00:36:47] I think that maybe the sitting in front of a camera

[00:36:50] with a microphone came around maybe like 2014.

[00:36:54] Maybe right when I got called up

[00:36:56] and it wasn't really associated with that.

[00:36:57] It was more like that was just the time

[00:36:59] with like, which was starting to get going

[00:37:01] and I love video games.

[00:37:02] And I just, I always get into my hobbies.

[00:37:04] From the day I was drafted, like I knew,

[00:37:07] I knew there was so many things

[00:37:08] that outside of the game that I want to do.

[00:37:10] I've always projected past the game.

[00:37:12] Like I always believed that

[00:37:13] the light beyond my game was gonna be,

[00:37:16] you know, just as fulfilling or more or so

[00:37:18] or more exciting than play.

[00:37:21] I've always thought about that

[00:37:22] and which is, it was a really optimistic way

[00:37:25] of thinking about how fun life's gonna be living to live.

[00:37:28] But I've always been like this.

[00:37:32] If I would have graduated high school in like 2013 instead of 2008,

[00:37:38] I can't say that I wouldn't have just been a YouTuber

[00:37:41] because I definitely would have done this.

[00:37:42] I just was, it was so early.

[00:37:44] Like it wasn't a real thing.

[00:37:46] Like people weren't like doing it as a job in 2007.

[00:37:49] It existed but it was like, it wasn't a thing

[00:37:52] like it is now.

[00:37:53] And I definitely would have went down this road.

[00:37:56] Without sports, if I wasn't like a big dude

[00:37:59] who athletics worked out,

[00:38:01] if athletics didn't work out,

[00:38:02] I would have 100% been a theater kid.

[00:38:03] I think so.

[00:38:04] I think I would have tried acting or something probably

[00:38:06] because it's just like, I liked that whole,

[00:38:08] like writing and coming up with interesting stories

[00:38:11] and like doing all that kind of stuff

[00:38:13] is really interesting to me.

[00:38:14] So this just makes sense.

[00:38:16] But the streaming when I figured out

[00:38:18] I was pretty good at it and I have the energy for it.

[00:38:21] And I can be honest, we all have like 80,

[00:38:24] we like all of my gamer friends,

[00:38:25] we all have 80D and I'm like, oh, I have 80D.

[00:38:27] This is great.

[00:38:28] This is a perfect thing for me.

[00:38:29] I can bounce around and play video games

[00:38:30] and focus on three things that just be,

[00:38:32] you know, talk to chat all day.

[00:38:34] Like so it just made sense.

[00:38:37] And the more I got into it,

[00:38:38] the more I learned about it,

[00:38:39] the more I got locked in.

[00:38:41] And so for a while now

[00:38:43] I've been looking forward to this.

[00:38:45] I'll be honest.

[00:38:46] So you say a while at the quote that stood out to me

[00:38:49] when you said you retired

[00:38:50] is that you, you, you hated like you,

[00:38:53] it got to the point where you said

[00:38:54] you like dreaded going to spring training.

[00:38:56] It's like leaving all the fun things behind.

[00:38:58] Like what point was that about?

[00:39:01] And like when did that start creeping into your mind?

[00:39:03] I'll be honest.

[00:39:04] And I've been pretty clear or pretty honest about this,

[00:39:06] but like there was, there was very,

[00:39:08] there's been very few spring trainings

[00:39:10] where I was like, let's, you know, let's go.

[00:39:11] But I think it came down to like,

[00:39:14] I'm not a, like I'm not a huge fan of Florida.

[00:39:17] Like I don't necessarily like living there very much.

[00:39:20] So like it was always like,

[00:39:21] this isn't a place that I like being very much.

[00:39:23] It didn't have anything to do with baseball.

[00:39:25] It's funny once the baseball started,

[00:39:27] this kind of goes away.

[00:39:27] So it was always like the transition,

[00:39:29] the stopping and starting.

[00:39:31] And that is, that is something that I've always struggled

[00:39:33] with just like when I'm really enjoying doing something,

[00:39:36] having to transition into something else,

[00:39:37] no matter what it is,

[00:39:38] even if that's going to be enjoying too,

[00:39:41] it's hard and it frustrates me.

[00:39:43] And basically every single year we'd come home

[00:39:46] and be the winner and everyone would kind of hibernate.

[00:39:49] And then as soon as everyone starts coming out

[00:39:50] and starts to do stuff again, I believe.

[00:39:54] And it happened every year.

[00:39:56] And that, either some FOMO attached to that

[00:40:00] and even when it was like building a YouTube channel

[00:40:03] and like streaming stuff,

[00:40:04] I was like, I really got streaming going.

[00:40:06] We were cooking and then I had to stop.

[00:40:08] And it was the same thing with YouTube.

[00:40:10] I was like, okay, I got time to make eight videos

[00:40:11] if I want to do one a week, you know,

[00:40:13] and then I got to stop again.

[00:40:15] And that would just got really like,

[00:40:16] I never knew how good I could be at it.

[00:40:18] And I'm not one of those people

[00:40:19] that like doesn't like to see things through.

[00:40:21] So all of that kind of combined,

[00:40:23] just made it hard to transition.

[00:40:25] But it really had nothing to do with the game of baseball.

[00:40:27] Like once I got there and switched my brain

[00:40:29] and I was like all in and I loved, I love that puzzle.

[00:40:32] But it was just, it was just hard.

[00:40:36] And I, but like I love, I loved playing.

[00:40:39] And once we were going, like I didn't even think about it.

[00:40:41] But then once I come home,

[00:40:42] I was like, oh yeah, this is what I remember.

[00:40:44] Because it's just, it's basically just

[00:40:46] you can do whatever you want.

[00:40:47] And you have that passion.

[00:40:48] So whatever you're excited about,

[00:40:50] imagine if that's all you had to do ever.

[00:40:54] It's awesome.

[00:40:54] So yeah, that's kind of where it was.

[00:40:57] It was weird.

[00:40:58] It was interesting.

[00:40:58] And then recently there's just a lot of,

[00:41:01] like I mentioned a lot of the things with the game

[00:41:04] and feeling a little bit like frustrated

[00:41:06] by things that I deemed injustices or whatever.

[00:41:11] Like just the way things are done.

[00:41:12] It's just felt very gross at times.

[00:41:15] I don't want to deal with these people anymore.

[00:41:17] I don't want to listen to Rob anymore.

[00:41:19] Like there was a part where I was,

[00:41:20] I don't want to hear any more of this stuff.

[00:41:23] Or I don't want to be beholden to someone that I,

[00:41:27] you know, there's been times

[00:41:28] where there were people above me in organizations

[00:41:30] where I was like, I don't think you know what you're doing.

[00:41:33] And it sucks that you have control over my life.

[00:41:36] And so that happens.

[00:41:38] That happens over time too.

[00:41:39] So there's a lot of that.

[00:41:39] But I would say, yeah, like since I was drafted

[00:41:44] I can count on probably one hand the number

[00:41:45] of screen trainings where I was chomping at the bit.

[00:41:48] But it was mostly because of the whole,

[00:41:50] the hassle with moving.

[00:41:51] Mostly that not the game

[00:41:53] or I would not have played it this long.

[00:41:55] I think you know, you don't play 16 years

[00:41:58] without loving the thing you're doing

[00:41:59] at least to a level.

[00:42:01] So but yeah, it was been,

[00:42:03] got really complicated recently

[00:42:04] and to the point where I was just like,

[00:42:07] I don't have any more commitments to teams.

[00:42:08] So like I can make this decision

[00:42:10] and then my wife and I just decided that it was time.

[00:42:13] And you didn't want to wear those pants.

[00:42:15] And I got out early.

[00:42:17] I got out of this in time guys.

[00:42:19] Though I'm been fixed, but I'm pretty sure that

[00:42:21] literally the whole league is wearing their pants

[00:42:23] from last year.

[00:42:24] So that's their case has been.

[00:42:26] Let's get better than the current product.

[00:42:28] Prime example, no, the pants are still the same.

[00:42:31] No, they're not like,

[00:42:34] like no, they're not.

[00:42:35] Just say we're working on it and we're good.

[00:42:36] But no, you can't help yourself.

[00:42:38] So that kind of stuff.

[00:42:40] That's the stuff that I was just,

[00:42:41] if I was still playing I would be like,

[00:42:43] I would have to engage it because it just drives me nuts.

[00:42:46] So these are gonna get changed, right?

[00:42:48] The jerseys because the backlash has been about

[00:42:51] as universally negative as I've ever seen

[00:42:54] for something baseball really.

[00:42:55] Like I haven't seen a single person's like,

[00:42:57] you know what, I do kind of like the new jerseys.

[00:42:59] Like I feel like the backlash has been so bad

[00:43:01] that it's like they're gonna change it.

[00:43:04] I wouldn't hold my breath,

[00:43:06] but the thing is now it's not being actively

[00:43:08] tagged about as much and they're not changed.

[00:43:11] So they might be like, oh, we might be okay.

[00:43:14] Come, we'll see what the regular season jerseys look like.

[00:43:18] Because again, spring training jerseys are usually different.

[00:43:21] But if the lettering and stuff,

[00:43:23] if they're making the changes that way again,

[00:43:27] then it's gonna become another thing

[00:43:29] in the first week of the season.

[00:43:30] And if that's big enough, then yeah,

[00:43:31] maybe there's some, maybe change,

[00:43:33] but don't be surprised if it's the same going

[00:43:35] on opening day, especially because it's next week.

[00:43:37] Oh, yeah, there's probably no chance

[00:43:39] that we change for them.

[00:43:40] Oh boy.

[00:43:41] Well, I guess we're gonna have to bear through it then.

[00:43:44] Yep.

[00:43:45] Put it lightly.

[00:43:46] Just kinda squint and you'll be all right.

[00:43:49] So you mentioned how that for a lot of years

[00:43:52] you weren't exactly all fired up,

[00:43:54] at least at the starting point

[00:43:56] to get to spring training.

[00:43:58] Would it have been different last year

[00:44:01] in your final year if you would ended up

[00:44:04] signing with the Mariners like you've openly talked about

[00:44:06] how badly you wanted to do?

[00:44:08] Like would that have been a spring training

[00:44:09] or you would have been absolutely fired up?

[00:44:11] Probably, yeah.

[00:44:12] Yeah.

[00:44:13] That would have been.

[00:44:14] It's one of those things like,

[00:44:16] I loved my time with the Mets

[00:44:17] and I love my time with the A's.

[00:44:19] I love my time with the Twins

[00:44:20] and I'm so happy that I was brought into those fan base

[00:44:26] and brought into those fandoms.

[00:44:27] But like, especially in New York,

[00:44:31] I was like, yeah, you'd love that 1986 team.

[00:44:33] And like guys, I didn't know until I got here,

[00:44:36] I couldn't have told you who won the World Series in 1986.

[00:44:40] I didn't grow up a Mets fan.

[00:44:41] Like why do you, like so,

[00:44:43] I grew up a Mariners fan though and buying in,

[00:44:46] there's just something special

[00:44:47] about playing for your hometown team.

[00:44:48] And I've heard this from everyone

[00:44:49] who went back and played for their hometown team.

[00:44:51] There's so many guys that were like,

[00:44:53] everyone tried to go back and like,

[00:44:54] they didn't get to play for them

[00:44:55] and play for them by last year

[00:44:57] they tried to get there for one year

[00:44:58] because they want to experience it.

[00:44:59] And they said,

[00:45:00] it's just like the pressure is just,

[00:45:01] it just feels like you're a kid again,

[00:45:04] you're bought in, you see the people you saw.

[00:45:07] Like I lost my mind when I saw Griffey

[00:45:09] last two years ago, I met him.

[00:45:11] Corey Hunter introduced me and that was,

[00:45:14] I mean he was, in his defense,

[00:45:16] he was very like, great to meet you.

[00:45:17] And like was leaving, but like,

[00:45:19] it didn't matter.

[00:45:20] He could have punched me in the face

[00:45:21] and I would have been like, that was awesome.

[00:45:23] So that was one of the coolest things ever.

[00:45:25] He's like, you know, he's King of Virginia.

[00:45:27] So like that's, you know,

[00:45:29] I've met, I met Nolan Ryan,

[00:45:31] I've met, you know, Reggie Jackson.

[00:45:32] I've met all the, all the, I'm Rick Anderson,

[00:45:34] but like meet and Griffey was just another level for me.

[00:45:37] So I think that I would have really been able to buy in.

[00:45:40] I also would have been able to sleep in my own home.

[00:45:42] A house I bought three years ago

[00:45:44] that I never get to live in

[00:45:45] for more than four months out of the year.

[00:45:48] It would just feel like we're going on business trips.

[00:45:50] I think that would have changed my perception.

[00:45:52] I think my whole career, if it was like that,

[00:45:54] or Joe Maurer just stayed at home,

[00:45:56] I would have a different relationship

[00:45:58] with what the season means for me.

[00:46:01] And I would see if you were at Mariners Spring Training,

[00:46:04] the other thing that you would love.

[00:46:06] I mean, you'd be working out with each year all the time.

[00:46:08] I mean, it's just so casual how he'll just walk in there.

[00:46:11] He's all dressed and ready to go.

[00:46:13] You could have been his throwing partner.

[00:46:14] He was like, Julio wanted that this year,

[00:46:17] but you get to say, hey, Julio, man,

[00:46:19] can we split some time here?

[00:46:21] Exactly. Yeah.

[00:46:22] It would have been really cool too.

[00:46:24] I did get to play against each row

[00:46:26] when he was with the Marlins,

[00:46:27] but I missed him in the lineup by one matter

[00:46:29] because I got pulled because I was getting lit up.

[00:46:31] And it was really, like the saddest thing I was,

[00:46:34] I was like, dang it dude,

[00:46:35] you can just pitch a little bit better.

[00:46:37] Get one more hitter just so you could face him.

[00:46:40] So yeah, I never got to face each row of that

[00:46:43] without it being really cool.

[00:46:44] I have met him once.

[00:46:44] I met him in high school

[00:46:46] as he was around during our high school

[00:46:47] state championship game.

[00:46:48] I think he was like rehabbing something.

[00:46:51] And yeah, it was pretty cool.

[00:46:56] Again, it was like the grippy thing is like,

[00:46:57] hey, high school kids, what's up?

[00:46:59] Because I've also done that.

[00:47:01] So I don't blame him for that,

[00:47:02] but still just like seeing him in the flesh

[00:47:05] would be super cool.

[00:47:07] What were you going to throw to him?

[00:47:09] Do you have the pitch sequence already mapped out?

[00:47:11] Oh no, I can see him here.

[00:47:13] I just didn't even bother.

[00:47:14] I just assumed the ball was going to be a liner up the middle.

[00:47:17] So I was like,

[00:47:19] I'll probably just throw you a change of way

[00:47:20] and just let you do it.

[00:47:22] So I can just be like, nice.

[00:47:24] It's odd the quintessential each row single.

[00:47:29] Was your state title game at T-Mobile Park?

[00:47:32] Yes.

[00:47:32] Oh, cool.

[00:47:33] Yet some years it's there.

[00:47:35] Some years they do it in other places

[00:47:36] like out in tri cities or whatever.

[00:47:38] In tri cities or they didn't chainie for a long time,

[00:47:40] but I don't think they'd do that anymore.

[00:47:43] Okay, yeah, that sounds right.

[00:47:45] Well, I am curious just a little bit about

[00:47:48] what you said on that Twitch stream

[00:47:49] a few months back about like the same topic

[00:47:51] you really wanted to play for the Mariners.

[00:47:53] I know you talked about

[00:47:54] there was even a couple other negotiations going on

[00:47:56] that you kind of let go by the wayside

[00:47:58] because you were really holding on to this idea.

[00:48:01] So like I guess for what you feel comfortable sharing

[00:48:04] like did you ever get to the table

[00:48:06] or was it never even really a discussion

[00:48:08] with coming home to play in Seattle?

[00:48:11] Yeah, it never got to the table.

[00:48:13] There was some like half excitement at times.

[00:48:21] But as we see with Jerry and the brass now

[00:48:25] is like things move really slowly.

[00:48:26] Like they're not gonna sign.

[00:48:27] They're not gonna go sign it.

[00:48:28] They're not gonna sign like a top level reliever

[00:48:31] and they're not gonna sign a mid tier reliever either.

[00:48:34] Like a solid picture that has a high ceiling maybe

[00:48:37] they're gonna sign Diamond in the Rough for nothing

[00:48:40] or they're going to get them from their own organization.

[00:48:45] That's how they run the bullpen

[00:48:46] which from a financial standpoint makes a lot of sense

[00:48:49] and I don't blame them for that.

[00:48:52] Most teams do that now, but like it,

[00:48:55] it's like can I help the team?

[00:48:58] Yeah, like there's no doubt in my mind

[00:49:01] that I would be a guy who absolutely locks

[00:49:04] helps lock that bullpen down.

[00:49:05] Especially being at home.

[00:49:06] I just like there's just no,

[00:49:07] there was no scenario in where I wouldn't be wildly successful

[00:49:10] and probably have my best year.

[00:49:11] So like having that confidence.

[00:49:13] But again, you have that they don't know that.

[00:49:15] So like they don't, you don't know that either.

[00:49:18] You're just really confident.

[00:49:19] So it was frustrating at times

[00:49:22] and there were some other things

[00:49:23] like my agent has a relationship with him.

[00:49:25] Like he's had teams with players with them

[00:49:27] before he's Robbie Ray.

[00:49:29] Like so he's well, you know, he talks to them regularly.

[00:49:33] They were just like, they're like,

[00:49:35] it'll be like how's Trevor feel about playing here?

[00:49:37] Like, like sure, they've said a couple of times.

[00:49:39] Right, like just kind of offhand.

[00:49:41] Like really good.

[00:49:43] I don't know what to tell you.

[00:49:44] I would have taken,

[00:49:45] I probably would have taken a pay cut.

[00:49:46] I would have taken less money to go to Seattle

[00:49:48] than I took an open.

[00:49:49] Like no, no, like money was not an option,

[00:49:52] not a, not a, not an object.

[00:49:53] Frankly, I just wanted to have fun

[00:49:55] and enjoy myself and not worry about it.

[00:49:57] And it just never got there.

[00:49:59] Cause that's just not what happens in negotiations.

[00:50:01] You don't just go, hey, I'll take less money.

[00:50:02] Cause that's just not a good,

[00:50:04] it's not a good way to approach those things.

[00:50:07] And you kind of handcuff your agent too.

[00:50:09] And I don't want to do that either.

[00:50:10] So, but yeah, the A-Sing Colest

[00:50:12] because it was kind of the next best thing.

[00:50:16] If you had played for the Mariners last year,

[00:50:18] would you still be retired right now?

[00:50:21] I would say it's a lot less likely probably.

[00:50:25] But again, it depends on how it went

[00:50:26] or maybe, you know, maybe it went great

[00:50:29] and we just missed the playoffs or what, you know,

[00:50:30] same thing happened, say the same thing happened last year

[00:50:32] as it did last year.

[00:50:33] And then, you know, it was just pretty clear that like,

[00:50:36] you know, thank you for everything.

[00:50:37] But, but it would have been a nice little thank you.

[00:50:42] I did it great.

[00:50:43] I'll see you guys opening day next year cause I'm coming.

[00:50:46] So that would have been, that would have been great.

[00:50:49] But yeah, I don't know.

[00:50:51] I think that we didn't, we just didn't know

[00:50:53] how it would have been.

[00:50:54] We don't know what our life would have been.

[00:50:56] Like my wife didn't know what it'd be like to have like

[00:50:58] be around all of her friends all summer

[00:50:59] and be like, have things to do

[00:51:00] and not have to worry about like if she's gonna go to,

[00:51:02] she didn't like, she didn't go to that many games.

[00:51:04] Like, she's just like baseball that much,

[00:51:06] which is okay.

[00:51:08] You don't have to fake it.

[00:51:09] So it's just, she liked it.

[00:51:12] It was fine.

[00:51:13] But like, she didn't go to baseball games as a kid.

[00:51:15] She didn't really know anything about baseball

[00:51:16] until she met me.

[00:51:17] So I never, I never really needed that.

[00:51:20] So it just became like, you know, who knows how much,

[00:51:24] how much more fun or how much more enjoyment

[00:51:28] we would have had if we were able to do it here.

[00:51:30] Did the Mariners making the playoffs in 22

[00:51:33] like increase the want more?

[00:51:38] I mean, it didn't hurt.

[00:51:40] Yeah.

[00:51:40] It didn't hurt, but like, you know,

[00:51:43] yeah wanting to be a part of the team that did it

[00:51:45] or be a part of team like this turnaround

[00:51:47] and like be here,

[00:51:48] seeing the whole thing from the beginning to the now

[00:51:50] and just being on the team when that happened

[00:51:52] would have been so cool.

[00:51:55] You know, they had, well, they had Boyd.

[00:51:58] Yeah, Matt, I was gonna mention it.

[00:52:00] Not much everyone, but me and Snell has frankly.

[00:52:02] Yeah.

[00:52:03] I was trying to think of like what were you thinking

[00:52:05] when you're watching Matt Boyd in that clubhouse like

[00:52:09] it's like a dream come true.

[00:52:11] I was really happy for him.

[00:52:12] And then I got to throw with him or sorry, no,

[00:52:15] no after that season,

[00:52:17] he threw with him and Paxton and so like we talked

[00:52:21] I was like how awesome was that?

[00:52:22] It was really, really cool.

[00:52:23] And he was like even though I was like,

[00:52:25] he was like barely on the roster.

[00:52:27] I was just there for like long, long relief

[00:52:28] just case game blew up and they never did

[00:52:30] the pitchers all through well,

[00:52:31] but he goes even then man,

[00:52:33] it's something special.

[00:52:35] He goes, you know, and I was like, yeah

[00:52:37] it would have been freaking awesome

[00:52:38] because I was at the 18 in a game.

[00:52:40] I had to leave early.

[00:52:41] I was like, I cannot watch a 20 inning.

[00:52:43] I cannot do this right now.

[00:52:45] I just watched 10,000 innings.

[00:52:46] I can't do this.

[00:52:48] And then they got beat the next inning,

[00:52:50] but that's good for him.

[00:52:53] I'm happy for him.

[00:52:54] And I actually knew him from when we were in high school.

[00:52:56] He was a year younger than me

[00:52:57] and I played summer ball with like all of us.

[00:52:59] I used to have Eastside Catholic teammates.

[00:53:01] So I knew of him.

[00:53:03] He just played on another team.

[00:53:04] He would not play with us

[00:53:06] because with me and him

[00:53:07] we would have just destroyed everybody probably.

[00:53:09] But yeah, so yeah, I knew his dad before I knew him

[00:53:13] which was weird, but yeah, I'm happy for him.

[00:53:15] That was pretty awesome.

[00:53:16] Was that day not amazing?

[00:53:18] Like we were there too Trevor.

[00:53:19] Was it not just looking around and like, man.

[00:53:24] The call was great.

[00:53:25] It's like this park was built for.

[00:53:27] Oh, the fan base here is like,

[00:53:31] the atmosphere of that park

[00:53:33] even on the not so great years

[00:53:34] it's just a great place to go see a game

[00:53:37] especially when the weather's nice here

[00:53:38] in June and July.

[00:53:39] Like, there's just nowhere better.

[00:53:44] And people like going to sports here

[00:53:46] like we draw the best for the soccer team too.

[00:53:49] Like we the Seahawks no matter how good they are

[00:53:51] that place is packed.

[00:53:52] So we come out for sports

[00:53:54] and it's always been an awesome time to be here.

[00:53:57] And I've been in the bullpen since we've been coming here

[00:53:59] and so I always get that's an awesome bullpen

[00:54:01] especially for seeing people you know.

[00:54:03] I saw people every inning

[00:54:05] and it was really cool.

[00:54:08] But yeah it was electric.

[00:54:09] Then I got to know Ace

[00:54:12] who gave up the Homer,

[00:54:15] Ace Veto.

[00:54:16] And he is literally like the sweetest guy.

[00:54:18] And he just sits in his locker

[00:54:20] and he watches anime all day.

[00:54:21] And he's just a big, just the nicest person ever

[00:54:24] and just like he couldn't,

[00:54:25] every time we'd watch the Homer

[00:54:27] so we would go over like

[00:54:31] facing Cal Raleigh this year

[00:54:32] and they would show his highlights

[00:54:35] and Ace's Homer

[00:54:36] and he just be like.

[00:54:38] So getting to know him,

[00:54:41] tempered it a little bit

[00:54:42] but they were pretty cool with me being like guys

[00:54:44] I got it, I pulled from the manner so I'm sorry.

[00:54:47] So I have two follow-ups to that.

[00:54:49] Number one, what inning did you leave in

[00:54:51] during that 18 inning game?

[00:54:52] 17th.

[00:54:53] Wow.

[00:54:54] Okay so you-

[00:54:55] Yeah like it was, I couldn't do it.

[00:54:57] I was starving.

[00:54:58] And I'm like,

[00:55:00] and I hadn't had a beer in 10 innings.

[00:55:02] I was just like, I'm so tired and so hungry

[00:55:06] and I am in a baseball game

[00:55:08] and I've been done for three days.

[00:55:10] I have to get out of here.

[00:55:11] So we left and then everyone was just trying to hit homers.

[00:55:14] Like I was getting so frustrated watching Cal

[00:55:17] and Cal Nick just round out to second.

[00:55:20] I'm like stop trying to hit the solo Homer

[00:55:23] just get on pace please.

[00:55:25] But the swings got harder

[00:55:27] and harder and harder as anyway.

[00:55:28] I knew it was gonna be a solo Homer

[00:55:30] and unfortunately the answer was not first.

[00:55:32] You sound a lot like TJ,

[00:55:33] not only TJ not eaten at that game in hours

[00:55:36] because he, I think he hit a little bit before

[00:55:39] but he was like, well this game will be three hours.

[00:55:40] It'll be like four o'clock when it's over.

[00:55:42] I'll be fine.

[00:55:43] He was, I mean not only was it two baseball games

[00:55:45] for the price of one,

[00:55:47] but you're talking like nerves

[00:55:49] and on top of not eating basically all day

[00:55:52] on top of waiting for,

[00:55:54] on top of watching the first playoff game

[00:55:56] in 20 years or whatever.

[00:55:57] So like we didn't leave early

[00:55:59] but I can understand from your perspective

[00:56:00] why you did because that was,

[00:56:04] that like I was drained by the end of it.

[00:56:06] We all were not just from like the excruciating loss

[00:56:08] and trying to watch everybody just swing for the fences

[00:56:11] basically every extra inning like you mentioned

[00:56:13] but like just the fact of how long you have to sit there

[00:56:15] to I was there with my buddies too

[00:56:17] and I left them.

[00:56:18] Like you guys, they're like we're not leaving.

[00:56:21] I'm like, you didn't watch as much baseball as I did

[00:56:25] and I'm not as, I just can't be as invested as you.

[00:56:29] Though I do very much just like the Astros.

[00:56:32] I just wasn't as invested, I'm still playing

[00:56:34] but now I think if it were this year, it would definitely stay.

[00:56:37] Okay.

[00:56:38] I'm a fan now.

[00:56:39] So my second follow up to that is

[00:56:41] with you mentioning how great a place Seattle

[00:56:44] and T-Mobile Park is to watch a game.

[00:56:46] How many times are you using your gold card this year

[00:56:48] to go to T-Mobile Park?

[00:56:49] You're gonna see me on a lot

[00:56:51] of dig in getaway days for sure.

[00:56:53] Okay.

[00:56:54] Like the Thursdays and the Wednesdays

[00:56:56] and maybe some Sundays.

[00:56:58] My wife, my wife Kate has said

[00:57:01] that she is open to Sunday afternoon games

[00:57:04] because it's just a fun,

[00:57:06] it's just more fun when I'm with her.

[00:57:08] Right?

[00:57:09] Like if you're sitting up there with me

[00:57:10] and we're like,

[00:57:11] you're like predicting what guys are gonna throw

[00:57:13] and stuff like that's more entertaining

[00:57:15] than me sitting there by myself

[00:57:17] and just waiting to see if you come in

[00:57:19] and then watching your inning for eight minutes

[00:57:21] and then it being over.

[00:57:24] So yeah, I'll be there.

[00:57:26] I'm trying to find a window that I go to every single time

[00:57:29] and make friends with the ticket people there.

[00:57:32] So like eventually my goal is to like

[00:57:35] give my dad my card or something where they know him

[00:57:37] and like go at it.

[00:57:38] Like that would be,

[00:57:40] that'd be really cool but we'll see if they have it.

[00:57:44] I mean, I've already started to know people there

[00:57:47] from just coming as a visiting player.

[00:57:51] Some of the people at the front desk and stuff so.

[00:57:54] So now that you have that card,

[00:57:56] do you still have any stadiums you need to check off your list?

[00:57:59] Nope.

[00:58:01] I've played in them all.

[00:58:01] Grats.

[00:58:02] Yeah.

[00:58:03] That's good.

[00:58:04] Yeah, I got my last one.

[00:58:06] Texas is my last one.

[00:58:08] That makes sense.

[00:58:09] Okay so for those who don't know,

[00:58:12] this gold card is something you're not only passionate about

[00:58:14] but you were fired up to get.

[00:58:15] Anybody that's watched your YouTube videos

[00:58:17] or your content knows that

[00:58:18] but for those who don't know,

[00:58:19] can you explain to people what a gold card is?

[00:58:22] Yeah, so the Lifetime,

[00:58:24] it's two free tickets to any game,

[00:58:28] any regular season game for the rest of your life

[00:58:30] and it's best available.

[00:58:33] And I believe there's like an allotment with sellouts too

[00:58:36] so like it's gonna be really hard for you not to get a ticket

[00:58:40] because there's like standing room tickets

[00:58:41] and stuff that they'll give and you can get in.

[00:58:45] And so, yeah, you can use it.

[00:58:48] If you wanted to use it 162 times a year.

[00:58:51] So I can't wait to use it.

[00:58:54] You gotta get eight years of service time

[00:58:56] and full pension is 10.

[00:58:59] And in my opinion, the eight year,

[00:59:02] that is much more valuable to me than the pension is

[00:59:07] mostly because I'm not 65 years old yet

[00:59:09] so it hasn't really set in.

[00:59:11] I'm sure I'll be glad that I got it when I get it

[00:59:13] but I can use a gold card now.

[00:59:15] So eight years of service time,

[00:59:17] that's kind of like,

[00:59:18] kind of becoming the new threshold that guys are like,

[00:59:21] if I don't get to 10, I need to get to eight.

[00:59:24] So yeah, I'm really excited about it.

[00:59:26] I think they're getting talked about more and more now.

[00:59:28] I think it's pretty cool.

[00:59:30] So the gold card is one of the perks

[00:59:32] of being a big leaguer.

[00:59:33] One of your most recent YouTube videos

[00:59:35] is you broke down some awesome perks

[00:59:38] that you get for being a Major League Baseball player.

[00:59:41] If it's not that one,

[00:59:42] what's another perk that you think

[00:59:44] is just out of this world of awesome?

[00:59:48] I really,

[00:59:49] I am a guy who hates flying in small seats.

[00:59:53] I just ruin my day and I ruin everyone else's

[00:59:56] that's next to me.

[00:59:57] And so the first class thing was always a big, big positive.

[01:00:01] So whenever they need me to go somewhere at least

[01:00:02] I knew I was gonna get a seat that I could fit in.

[01:00:05] That was great.

[01:00:07] I think the pension's phenomenal.

[01:00:09] Like my dad was a union president for 20 years

[01:00:14] and very, very blue collar.

[01:00:16] So he drilled that into me, how important pensions are.

[01:00:21] So I'm very excited that I have that

[01:00:23] safe in it a little bit.

[01:00:25] And then one of the big ones was just like having food

[01:00:29] around all the time, like high quality food

[01:00:31] where you don't have to worry about it.

[01:00:33] That is something that I'm gonna miss more than anything.

[01:00:35] I cannot have Door Dash be, take that place.

[01:00:40] Like that is just a horrible, horrible idea.

[01:00:42] So yeah, I get to cook now.

[01:00:45] But yeah, having food just like in a room all the time

[01:00:49] was pretty awesome.

[01:00:52] So off of just your YouTube page as a whole

[01:00:56] do you have any inspiration for that page?

[01:00:58] Was there a creator that you watched growing up

[01:01:01] that you tried to model yourself after

[01:01:03] and that you draw inspiration from

[01:01:05] when building your YouTube brand?

[01:01:10] Yeah, that's changed over the time.

[01:01:11] Like, you know, there were some gaming creators

[01:01:15] for my gaming channel that I modeled my highlight videos

[01:01:19] after and then that kind of fell out of Ode No One

[01:01:21] really does that anymore.

[01:01:23] But I'll be honest, just recently

[01:01:25] I've gotten experience a lot more, but like

[01:01:27] I like people doing deep dives on subjects

[01:01:29] because I just like learning random stuff.

[01:01:31] It's great side monitor stuff.

[01:01:33] It's great background noise

[01:01:35] we can just learn about something.

[01:01:37] And I've always been so interested

[01:01:40] in learning new skills and things.

[01:01:41] So the people who will be like, I did,

[01:01:45] I did this, tried to learn this in a month

[01:01:47] and here's how it went.

[01:01:49] Like that is kind of what I've mastered

[01:01:51] in my career, in my life is just like

[01:01:54] learning a new pitch or learning a new

[01:01:56] how to manage a new injury

[01:01:58] or that's just rinse and repeat.

[01:02:00] So like I've always been interested in

[01:02:01] how can I share what I know now?

[01:02:04] How can I, I've learned a lot

[01:02:05] how can I be a funnel and do it in an entertaining way?

[01:02:09] So I started gravitating towards the

[01:02:12] exposition a little bit more

[01:02:14] sitting in front of

[01:02:15] because there's ways to make it fun

[01:02:16] and make it a good time.

[01:02:19] And I also am interested in doing film

[01:02:21] at some point, filmmaking somehow.

[01:02:23] I don't know what that means.

[01:02:24] I don't know if that's sports documentaries

[01:02:26] which I'm not really thinking maybe that

[01:02:29] but like telling those kinds of stories just the

[01:02:31] I don't know what it's gonna look like yet

[01:02:33] but I do know I'm fascinated by film

[01:02:35] and the way that these things put together

[01:02:37] and I've done, I have all the equipment I need.

[01:02:40] So I'm watching a lot of those people now too.

[01:02:42] So like, yeah, people like, you know

[01:02:45] like Markiplier in gaming world

[01:02:49] I just think he did such a great job.

[01:02:51] Like it's nothing felt very high effort for him.

[01:02:54] It looked like he was just always chilling

[01:02:55] and having a good time and like

[01:02:56] thinking he's just joking around

[01:02:57] and have like nothing was overly produced or anything.

[01:03:01] And I liked that a lot.

[01:03:03] You know, Mr. Beast really isn't my thing.

[01:03:06] It's probably because I'm in my 30s.

[01:03:09] A lot, but it's more, I like more of a

[01:03:13] someone sitting in front of a mic

[01:03:14] put together a 15 minute deep dive on some like,

[01:03:17] I don't know, like some, some,

[01:03:19] some TikTok channel or something.

[01:03:21] I don't know if that's what's what's on play.

[01:03:23] So I'm learning a lot of that stuff now

[01:03:24] how to use the camera movement stuff

[01:03:26] to make it interesting.

[01:03:27] That's kind of where I'm at.

[01:03:29] Okay, so segueing off of that

[01:03:31] there was a couple videos you've made

[01:03:32] that I want to touch on some points with

[01:03:34] about the film thing.

[01:03:35] You did something recently of breaking down

[01:03:38] all the nastiest pitches in baseball

[01:03:39] and relating to the Mariners, shocker.

[01:03:42] Matt Brash was on there a few times.

[01:03:44] So the first time you ever saw the Matt Brash slider

[01:03:48] whether it was live or on TV

[01:03:50] or on pitching Ninja on social media,

[01:03:52] like what, where did that happen?

[01:03:54] Where'd you see it for the first time

[01:03:55] and how in the world did you react?

[01:03:57] So I was aware of Matt when he came up

[01:04:00] because like him and Kirby when they both came up

[01:04:03] it was like two guys who throw 98,

[01:04:06] like cool, but more like I'm a reliever

[01:04:09] throwing as hard as I can.

[01:04:10] We got starters just throwing 98 like it's nothing.

[01:04:12] And also I was on the Mets when Kirby came up

[01:04:15] and he's from Long Island.

[01:04:16] So like it was the George Kirby's on the Mariners

[01:04:18] and everyone was just talking about that all the time.

[01:04:21] And they're like, do you know him?

[01:04:22] I'm like, I have never met George.

[01:04:23] What do you mean he's 23.

[01:04:24] I'm, you know, no, I haven't not yet.

[01:04:28] So that's when I heard about them

[01:04:29] and they were the young bucks coming up

[01:04:30] and I pay attention to this stuff.

[01:04:31] I like, I check all the highlights

[01:04:34] of every game every night.

[01:04:34] It just has like, just to see what like guys I know

[01:04:37] they started to know everybody on every team.

[01:04:39] So like, oh how'd he do?

[01:04:40] How'd he do?

[01:04:42] And then halfway through 2022,

[01:04:46] I read a, I did a video on this too,

[01:04:49] read an article called the Art of Pitch Tunnelling

[01:04:52] where I was learning about why my slider

[01:04:53] was not getting swung amised at ever

[01:04:55] because I don't tunnel it.

[01:04:56] So the basically the article proposed

[01:05:01] that there is a range of Velo

[01:05:03] and it's like a bell curve for effectiveness

[01:05:06] for what tunnels based on movement

[01:05:07] and how fast it's going.

[01:05:08] So you want to be in this range

[01:05:10] for speed and difference of movement

[01:05:12] from your fastball for it to look like your fastball.

[01:05:15] So if it's too different, it doesn't,

[01:05:17] it's never tunnels.

[01:05:18] And so people see it all the time.

[01:05:20] They don't even know they see it, but they do.

[01:05:21] And so he changed his grip to throw that slider.

[01:05:24] He learned the sweeper and turned his curve ball

[01:05:28] into that, it's 88 now instead of 80

[01:05:31] as the same movement.

[01:05:32] So I was like, so they use that as a,

[01:05:34] his curve ball was not as good

[01:05:36] and he added eight miles an hour

[01:05:37] with the same movement profile

[01:05:38] and now no one can touch it.

[01:05:40] And so that was the point.

[01:05:41] I was like, oh, I want to do that.

[01:05:42] So I added a harder slider.

[01:05:43] It didn't move as much, but it worked.

[01:05:46] So that was when I was like,

[01:05:47] oh, that guy's got this slider crazy.

[01:05:50] And then I started to see him on the highlights all the time

[01:05:53] and then that's when pitching ninja was just like,

[01:05:54] it was like every other post is Matt Brash

[01:05:56] as it should be in my opinion.

[01:05:59] That thing was just,

[01:05:59] and then the angle in Seattle also makes it

[01:06:02] just look so much better.

[01:06:03] So yeah, that's when I first noticed him.

[01:06:08] What did you think when he made Jose Ramirez fall down?

[01:06:10] Like in a lead hitter like that?

[01:06:12] Yeah.

[01:06:13] He did it twice.

[01:06:14] Jose Ramirez is one of the toughest hitters

[01:06:16] I've ever faced.

[01:06:17] So for him to do that,

[01:06:18] I think I'm struggling about once it was on a backup slider.

[01:06:21] So I don't even, he just doesn't look like that.

[01:06:24] Not only that, when he does, he hits it

[01:06:26] or he fouls it off.

[01:06:27] Like he doesn't fall down.

[01:06:28] He hopped up like, I've never seen Jose hop up like embarrassed.

[01:06:32] Like he was embarrassed.

[01:06:34] And I know it was April 3rd or something, but first of all,

[01:06:39] you have no business throwing the 88-mile slider back foot

[01:06:42] on April 3rd.

[01:06:43] We're all just trying to hit our average below

[01:06:47] as it's freezing, but Matt Brash.

[01:06:49] So yeah, that was incredible.

[01:06:51] It was probably one of the nastiest pitch

[01:06:52] I've ever seen and I've never seen him

[01:06:55] react like that before.

[01:06:57] And then for him to do it again at their place,

[01:06:59] he didn't fall down, but he like stumbled

[01:07:02] and almost got hit in the foot again.

[01:07:04] I think that just tells you

[01:07:06] when a guy like that's swinging, you're pretty good.

[01:07:09] Have you seen how he grips it?

[01:07:10] Could you grip a ball like that?

[01:07:14] So yeah, he has the, it's across the two seam, correct?

[01:07:18] Like, so that is,

[01:07:20] He does like this.

[01:07:21] He doesn't call it a sweeper.

[01:07:22] And yeah, and he spikes it a little bit.

[01:07:24] So he doesn't call it a sweeper,

[01:07:25] but that's a sweeper grip.

[01:07:27] So he does seam shift it.

[01:07:28] And so I threw something similar.

[01:07:31] I just went inside of the horseshoe

[01:07:32] instead of outside in between the two seams,

[01:07:34] but it was the same general grip.

[01:07:36] I can throw mine over 81.

[01:07:38] So I don't know how he does it,

[01:07:41] but that's like very similar to his curve ball grip.

[01:07:43] So this thing is a comfort thing and he just got,

[01:07:45] he just found some extra friction.

[01:07:48] Yeah, these guys with these pitches

[01:07:50] generally have weird grips, super weird grips.

[01:07:54] Brad Hand was actually one of the first guys

[01:07:56] who were like, was doing that

[01:07:58] and people didn't really know

[01:07:59] how he got so much horizontal.

[01:08:00] And he grips his fastball

[01:08:02] and his slider exactly the same.

[01:08:04] Not everyone can do that.

[01:08:05] I don't know how he, I still don't know.

[01:08:07] He just twists it one way that went

[01:08:09] and goes straight through the other.

[01:08:10] That's it.

[01:08:11] It's just stupid.

[01:08:12] And I was like, how?

[01:08:15] And he's like, I don't know.

[01:08:15] I've just been doing it my whole life.

[01:08:17] Oh, I guess I'll give up on that dream.

[01:08:20] Okay, speaking of relievers,

[01:08:22] there's another video you made

[01:08:23] which I thought you had to take

[01:08:24] and like a perspective on something

[01:08:27] that I thought was really interesting.

[01:08:28] It hasn't been brought up a lot.

[01:08:30] And you talked about the idea

[01:08:32] that when relievers are truly down,

[01:08:34] like you know they're unavailable that day,

[01:08:37] that they should be allowed

[01:08:37] to have a full rest day

[01:08:39] in the sense of you do not have to show up to the park.

[01:08:41] You can just stay at home.

[01:08:42] You can relax.

[01:08:43] You don't have to worry about throwing

[01:08:45] or being present.

[01:08:46] Like because you talked about

[01:08:48] you believe it can help physically and mentally

[01:08:51] to have some of those days throughout the year.

[01:08:53] So I guess my question to you with that

[01:08:54] is I really like the idea.

[01:08:56] What do you think it would take

[01:08:57] for either Major League Baseball

[01:08:59] or team specifically to actually start

[01:09:01] to buy in on that idea?

[01:09:03] Yeah, it would just,

[01:09:04] you have to put into how much money

[01:09:06] that'll save you, frankly.

[01:09:11] It comes down to that.

[01:09:12] That's what the bosses want to know

[01:09:13] at the end of the day.

[01:09:15] But you know,

[01:09:16] I'm not even talking about like every down day.

[01:09:19] Just like you should get like two cards.

[01:09:21] You can like one every each half.

[01:09:22] Like those two extra off days

[01:09:24] because there's only 21 off days in the whole season.

[01:09:28] And sometimes those like five or six of them

[01:09:30] are in one month.

[01:09:31] So it's like,

[01:09:33] like some, you go like three, four weeks

[01:09:35] without getting a day off at all.

[01:09:37] And that's crazy for position players.

[01:09:39] I think the same things should apply.

[01:09:41] Like they should get one or two days

[01:09:42] where they can just play the card.

[01:09:44] They can say, hey, bowing out for today.

[01:09:46] I'm just, I'm not sick.

[01:09:49] But like, I just need to not come to the field today

[01:09:51] and you guys got to get through this without me.

[01:09:53] And they, people need to not feel like everything,

[01:09:55] like it's their job every minute of every day.

[01:09:59] I understand the stars,

[01:10:00] they want to play 162 and whatever,

[01:10:02] but especially for relievers,

[01:10:03] like especially for relievers.

[01:10:05] Like we don't do anything when we're down, nothing.

[01:10:09] We just sit there and waste mental energy

[01:10:11] worrying about the game.

[01:10:12] We're worrying about what it would look like

[01:10:14] if we weren't there.

[01:10:15] And that just is so,

[01:10:18] such so outdated to me.

[01:10:19] It's just so tied to,

[01:10:21] it's just,

[01:10:22] it's just eye wash.

[01:10:24] It's just like,

[01:10:25] you're doing something just to do it

[01:10:26] because everyone just struggles to go,

[01:10:28] well that's the way it's always been done.

[01:10:30] I just, that's not a way to live your life

[01:10:32] or operate anything at a high level.

[01:10:35] You can be doing better.

[01:10:36] That's something that constantly pops in your mind.

[01:10:38] So that's what it comes down to.

[01:10:40] I believe that was Gabe Kepler thing he said before,

[01:10:43] before he got,

[01:10:44] and unfortunately like a week later,

[01:10:46] but you know, I don't see why not.

[01:10:49] And there's some teams that kind of do it,

[01:10:50] like not officially,

[01:10:52] but like I'm sure if you went up and like,

[01:10:53] hey Gabe, tomorrow,

[01:10:55] I've done three days in a row.

[01:10:56] Like if I don't come in and we just say I'm sick

[01:10:59] without like having to be a thing,

[01:11:00] and he'd be like, yeah,

[01:11:01] like I guarantee you that happened more than once.

[01:11:05] But yeah, at the same time,

[01:11:07] like I don't want to take three days off in a row either

[01:11:08] because then I just,

[01:11:09] I'm rusty now.

[01:11:11] One day though,

[01:11:12] one day here and there just knowing you have that option,

[01:11:14] I think would make it much less likely

[01:11:15] to even be used as well.

[01:11:16] So just like saying,

[01:11:17] hey, if you just have this space,

[01:11:19] if you need it,

[01:11:19] I think would go a long way for just feeling

[01:11:22] like guys are being taken care of a little more

[01:11:24] even if they don't end up taking more office.

[01:11:27] Do you think there are any other rules

[01:11:29] that should be adapted in

[01:11:31] for the sake of the players

[01:11:33] or for the sake of the fans?

[01:11:40] The only one I would ever say would be,

[01:11:42] it would be for players in the same vein,

[01:11:44] but like,

[01:11:45] we had a guy mentioned that

[01:11:46] who happens to play for their angels

[01:11:48] and he got decimated for it.

[01:11:50] So maybe I should not,

[01:11:51] but if the season were just like a little bit shorter

[01:11:55] or like if there were just a couple less games

[01:11:57] in the same amount of time,

[01:11:58] like you can still,

[01:12:00] we can still do the same thing

[01:12:01] and you can still have teams playing all the time

[01:12:02] but like maybe like four or six more off days a year.

[01:12:06] I think that would go a long way for health,

[01:12:08] for injuries, for all kinds of stuff.

[01:12:09] I think it would make astronaut like crazy benefit.

[01:12:14] But yeah, other than that though,

[01:12:17] in terms of like maybe we get rid of,

[01:12:20] Blackouts aren't really a rule.

[01:12:22] It's just the business and it's so ingrained

[01:12:25] that until things are off TV,

[01:12:27] that will never change.

[01:12:30] And unfortunately now the streaming deals

[01:12:32] are also including Blackouts.

[01:12:33] So it's just a leveraged thing

[01:12:36] that it'll, it'll just never be changed

[01:12:38] because it's not about giving people value.

[01:12:40] It's about getting as much money as possible

[01:12:43] because if I hear it's a business

[01:12:46] at the end of the day one more time,

[01:12:48] I'll lose it.

[01:12:50] But there's certain things you can do just

[01:12:51] because you're like, hey,

[01:12:54] we want you to enjoy this product

[01:12:56] and not have it be a financial angle.

[01:12:58] That would be nice just once in a while.

[01:13:00] So maybe that but I just don't see a,

[01:13:02] I don't see a world where that can be changed

[01:13:04] but maybe the,

[01:13:07] or something, some clever solution

[01:13:10] to the number of games and number of days situation

[01:13:13] maybe change the way travel's done a little bit

[01:13:14] or, you know, I don't know.

[01:13:18] Like we went to the East Coast five times last year.

[01:13:21] It was awful.

[01:13:22] Like that's too many.

[01:13:24] Those trips are really, really hard.

[01:13:25] So that kind of stuff needs to not happen

[01:13:27] but it's not supposed to either

[01:13:29] but we were the A's.

[01:13:29] So no one really cared what we had to do frankly.

[01:13:35] Did you ever see that video of the baseball fan?

[01:13:38] I forget what stadium it was at

[01:13:39] where he got Rob Manfred's attention.

[01:13:41] He was like Rob, Rob as if he was trying to call out to him

[01:13:43] like saying I'm a big fan or something

[01:13:45] and Manfred turns to him.

[01:13:46] He's like, and blackouts already.

[01:13:48] And then he just Manfred just looked totally startled.

[01:13:50] He had no clue how to respond or whatever.

[01:13:51] Did you see that video?

[01:13:53] I didn't see it but I can imagine what it looked like.

[01:13:57] I am curious too about what you mentioned with,

[01:14:00] you know, a certain third baseman

[01:14:01] for the Los Angeles Angels.

[01:14:03] I know you made a video on this talking about how,

[01:14:05] yeah, he got ripped a little bit

[01:14:06] for having this take about a shorter season.

[01:14:09] And he also talked about, okay,

[01:14:10] baseball is not my first love or whatever.

[01:14:12] I have priorities ahead of baseball.

[01:14:15] Do you, like how many other players in the league

[01:14:18] do you feel like probably have that same mindset

[01:14:20] and maybe just aren't outspoken about it?

[01:14:23] There's probably a couple on every team.

[01:14:26] Couple that are like really good

[01:14:27] or like they found out when they played pro ball

[01:14:30] that they didn't like playing pro ball.

[01:14:32] That actually happens a lot.

[01:14:33] Like they love it in college

[01:14:35] because they like the, you know,

[01:14:37] the hanging out with your buddy's style of it.

[01:14:40] And then in the minors it's nice too,

[01:14:42] but like it's a little, it's more of a commitment.

[01:14:44] Like you can't separate yourself from it ever.

[01:14:46] And then they realize they don't like it as much.

[01:14:47] That's pretty common.

[01:14:49] I mean, it's not the majority.

[01:14:50] I think vast majority of guys are like baseball all the time,

[01:14:53] which is great.

[01:14:54] I love it.

[01:14:55] And I was like that too for a lot of my life.

[01:14:59] But yeah, I'd say it's more common than people would think

[01:15:03] because it's just because of the money involved,

[01:15:05] because it's so many people's dream.

[01:15:07] Like all of that stuff you gotta be,

[01:15:09] you gotta take that into account and just know that like

[01:15:11] the context of which people are looking at you

[01:15:13] and thinking that you should be like,

[01:15:16] it's very easy to think I should be more grateful than I am.

[01:15:18] I should not feel this way.

[01:15:20] Cause for some reason you do like that's,

[01:15:23] it's just, and then when you look around

[01:15:24] and like 23 of the 25 guys there don't agree with you.

[01:15:27] Like you're just gonna wear it

[01:15:30] because that's what we say all the time.

[01:15:31] Just wear it.

[01:15:31] Don't like it play better.

[01:15:33] Just bottle it up and white-knuckle it

[01:15:36] is very, very much like an athlete thing.

[01:15:39] And that's very valuable for 85% of situations.

[01:15:42] This is just in the 15% where like

[01:15:43] you're actually hurting yourself.

[01:15:44] You're just not even like, you know what?

[01:15:46] Call it what it is.

[01:15:48] But again, same thing with Anthony.

[01:15:49] Like I said in the video that I knew within five minutes

[01:15:51] of meeting him, I felt about the game

[01:15:53] because he was saying things that I had also

[01:15:55] like pinging around my head like

[01:15:56] I don't really like this part either.

[01:15:58] He's like, I don't like this part

[01:16:00] but he was way more spoken than me

[01:16:01] because he's just a little bit more blunt when he speaks.

[01:16:07] And but I heard it, I was like,

[01:16:09] like I became kind of a fan of his.

[01:16:11] Like I was like, oh someone said it.

[01:16:13] Like I'm thinking that too.

[01:16:14] So it's glad to know that I'm not the only one who thinks it.

[01:16:16] Not that we're like, oh I wanna go home right now

[01:16:18] but we're just like yeah maybe I wouldn't

[01:16:20] like I would like to do maybe

[01:16:21] I would be happy doing something else.

[01:16:23] He loves basketball.

[01:16:24] Like he was like dude being in the NBA we sick

[01:16:26] but obviously I can't play

[01:16:28] I'm not gonna be an NBA player.

[01:16:29] So this is what I'm good at

[01:16:31] but yeah sometimes that happens.

[01:16:33] That happens and you just kinda,

[01:16:35] I just, I don't know.

[01:16:36] I was trying to anyone who was like not in a good place

[01:16:40] because even people who love it

[01:16:41] you don't get into places and they're like

[01:16:42] I'm having a miserable time.

[01:16:44] If you feel like you have to bottle everything up

[01:16:46] all the time it's just not gonna be helpful

[01:16:48] and that's something that I think needs to change the game.

[01:16:51] When you see that in the clubhouse

[01:16:52] or is that like something you should go over

[01:16:55] and support is that like something teammates are like,

[01:16:58] oh get a load of this guy or something like that.

[01:17:01] What is the, if you were to guess

[01:17:04] like knowing all the major leagueers you do

[01:17:06] what is generally the reaction to that?

[01:17:10] I'll be honest it doesn't happen.

[01:17:12] Like I didn't even, I had no context.

[01:17:15] I'm like how they gonna react to like

[01:17:16] because I went on the IL anxiety IL

[01:17:18] but they also saw my meltdown.

[01:17:20] Like I had a panic attack at the clubhouse

[01:17:23] where I could not I was just running

[01:17:24] and walking around just like yelling

[01:17:25] in everyone's direction.

[01:17:26] And you know they're used to guys throwing stuff

[01:17:28] when they're not happy but like it just wouldn't end.

[01:17:30] Like it was like 40 minutes long.

[01:17:32] You know you used to have five minutes of it.

[01:17:33] I was like dude he's losing his mind

[01:17:35] and they were very like oh like they got it.

[01:17:37] They understood and I think that like

[01:17:39] a lot of guys eyes open like whoa

[01:17:41] like this is a real thing.

[01:17:43] We were talking about Austin Meadows

[01:17:44] like two days before that.

[01:17:46] I remember saying to Tony Campbell

[01:17:47] I was like yeah man like I'm happy

[01:17:49] that he like said something because

[01:17:53] there's guys who are just like miserable

[01:17:56] and they're just they think they're supposed to be miserable

[01:17:58] and they're not like that's just doesn't matter.

[01:18:00] Like the game is the game it's just not

[01:18:02] maybe it's not for you maybe it's not your thing.

[01:18:04] Like you thought it was and it isn't

[01:18:06] that happens everywhere.

[01:18:07] Why would why would it be any different?

[01:18:08] And I talked about what anxiety feels like

[01:18:10] and they're like we were like in a all in a room

[01:18:12] we went to like I think we were in Baltimore

[01:18:14] there's like nine of us in the room

[01:18:15] just hanging out like having food after the flight

[01:18:17] which I loved about the ace we did this a lot

[01:18:19] and I was just like do you guys ever get anxious

[01:18:22] and they're like yeah I get like

[01:18:23] and we got to the conclusion that like

[01:18:25] oh wow we all we all get anxious.

[01:18:29] I'm like hitters get anxious, pitchers get anxious

[01:18:30] we were explaining like what it's like to be a reliever

[01:18:32] and hear the clock or hear the phone go off all the time

[01:18:35] and Tony was like that's crazy I'm like yeah

[01:18:38] it sucks sometimes it's also really fun sometimes.

[01:18:41] So it's just like one of those things

[01:18:43] like you look at your bat and you're like

[01:18:45] give me that bat I'm ready to get in that box

[01:18:46] and somebody's like anybody else with me

[01:18:49] it's just we're human like if you don't think

[01:18:51] you're ever gonna think that you're an idiot

[01:18:55] of course you're gonna doubt yourself

[01:18:57] because you just it's just what happens

[01:18:59] sometimes you're just not you're not there

[01:19:00] you're not ready to go.

[01:19:01] So I felt like we had a really good

[01:19:03] really good opportunity with the team too

[01:19:05] I think guys came to me a little bit more

[01:19:07] and just wanted to have the conversation about it

[01:19:09] no one was like I'm having the same problem

[01:19:11] but there were guys talking a little bit more openly

[01:19:14] about like when stuff's not going great

[01:19:16] and so we knew what was going on

[01:19:19] and could have a little bit of grace for them

[01:19:21] and low patience and like let them be mad

[01:19:22] if they need to be mad like let them deal with their thing

[01:19:25] and I thought we were pretty close group

[01:19:27] it was pretty great we went through a lot

[01:19:28] we went through a lot there.

[01:19:30] Have you seen the evolution of say managers

[01:19:33] being a little bit more accepting to that

[01:19:36] as they come into a little bit more

[01:19:38] of a player friendly environment

[01:19:39] as a lot of skippers are today

[01:19:41] opposed to even how it was when you debuted?

[01:19:44] Oh 100% 100% not that I don't think that

[01:19:49] like managers I had like Guardi

[01:19:51] and guys I had when I was younger

[01:19:52] or even guys in the early or in the odds

[01:19:54] in 2010s like that they didn't have the capacity to

[01:19:58] it just wasn't like they weren't called to

[01:20:00] it wasn't something that was like in their job description

[01:20:04] right there was people for that

[01:20:05] and I think like okay you know Katze

[01:20:10] is a guy who he was very, very supportive

[01:20:13] and I really appreciated him for that

[01:20:15] like he was one of the best I've had

[01:20:17] Rocko Bell Delies another guy who was like just gets it

[01:20:20] he's gone through his own thing

[01:20:21] he had to retire he had a lot of struggles

[01:20:23] like a lot of and we've talked a lot about him

[01:20:25] and we had really open on conversation

[01:20:27] honest conversations fast within me to each other

[01:20:30] which I really appreciate as well

[01:20:31] I've heard it about Kevin Cash

[01:20:32] it was a gate capillars same way

[01:20:34] you know I've heard a skip Schumacher similar

[01:20:37] like the younger generation

[01:20:39] like they have this kind of emotional challenges

[01:20:41] a little bit so they can see like

[01:20:43] hey you know I know I know what it's like

[01:20:45] when guys aren't struggling on the field

[01:20:47] but I can also tell a little bit

[01:20:48] about some of this or something else

[01:20:49] and you know those doors being open a little bit more

[01:20:52] just to be like hey can we just talk about

[01:20:54] like human stuff real quick

[01:20:56] and then like decide if there's something

[01:20:58] that needs to be done it's gonna affect me on the field

[01:21:01] and it was just really easy to talk to those guys

[01:21:03] so yeah I think that's a good thing

[01:21:06] but that said if this were more normalized

[01:21:07] when those guys were managers

[01:21:09] I think they would be pretty good at it too.

[01:21:12] A couple of fun things that you've talked about

[01:21:14] in your YouTube videos too Trevor

[01:21:16] in terms of some takes that you have

[01:21:17] like one of your videos where you're kind of like

[01:21:20] spilling all the tea you took a bunch of Q&As from fans

[01:21:22] and were answering some questions that people had

[01:21:24] somebody asked you your least favorite place to travel

[01:21:27] like least favorite road trip you say Cleveland

[01:21:30] so I get it and I know your answer was well

[01:21:32] you can only go to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

[01:21:34] so many times that like what makes Cleveland

[01:21:37] the least desirable place to go

[01:21:39] honestly like here's an example

[01:21:40] I went to a game in Milwaukee

[01:21:42] that stadium's in the middle of absolutely nowhere

[01:21:44] like I didn't even think the town of Milwaukee

[01:21:45] was that great to begin with

[01:21:46] but the environment as a whole I was like

[01:21:48] man this is not like a good baseball atmosphere

[01:21:51] so I guess I'm curious like what makes Cleveland

[01:21:54] that place over Milwaukee or Cincinnati

[01:21:57] or places like that?

[01:21:58] So okay so it comes down to you gotta remember

[01:22:02] like what my experience, what a player's experience will be

[01:22:05] we also rate the hotel

[01:22:07] so like where's the hotel at

[01:22:09] and how nice of a hotel is it?

[01:22:11] So in the player state the Fister in Milwaukee

[01:22:16] it's supposed to be the Haunted Hotel

[01:22:19] so it's like a unique trip

[01:22:22] like especially if you're not in their division

[01:22:24] like it kind of has its own like it feels special

[01:22:27] even though it's not, it's a good, it's a nice hotel

[01:22:31] but it's not like the nicest

[01:22:32] and then we just go to the field

[01:22:33] and the field there is it's a cool place to play

[01:22:37] and I always like playing there

[01:22:39] because it feels like you're throwing really hard

[01:22:41] frankly so like that's the experience we have

[01:22:43] like how confident do I feel about playing baseball here

[01:22:45] like one of the best places I love playing

[01:22:48] on the road was US Cellular

[01:22:49] US Cellular was one of the most generic places

[01:22:51] on the planet is the most boring stadium

[01:22:54] in the major leagues in my opinion

[01:22:56] the most generic like if you're playing on the show

[01:22:59] and it's a stadium you didn't recognize

[01:23:00] it's probably US Cellular

[01:23:01] so like but I was pitch well there

[01:23:05] and I liked the hotel

[01:23:06] so those are the two places I am

[01:23:09] and so I have positive feelings of leaving

[01:23:12] like leaving on the bus

[01:23:13] I'm like I had a good series again

[01:23:14] like that's just kind of what's associated

[01:23:16] but I'll be honest like it's not like

[01:23:18] the food wasn't that great

[01:23:20] the stadium is not that great

[01:23:22] like it's not, there's nothing really there

[01:23:25] so that's what it comes down to

[01:23:26] and pretty much unanimously

[01:23:28] like if you're in the AL West everyone of Seattle

[01:23:30] like Seattle's number one hotel's great

[01:23:32] it's the in the summer

[01:23:33] the everyone blown away

[01:23:35] but because everyone thinks it rains all the time

[01:23:36] I mean it's raining now and it rains

[01:23:38] it does rain most of the time

[01:23:39] but not when they're playing baseball

[01:23:41] so everyone's blown away when they come here

[01:23:44] and that also enhances it

[01:23:46] makes me more excited to come

[01:23:47] because it's like not what they were expecting

[01:23:49] so like when it comes down to Cincinnati though

[01:23:52] I didn't go to Cincinnati as much as I went to Cleveland

[01:23:54] there's just no one

[01:23:55] there's just no one in like we would leave our hotel

[01:23:58] and like I could walk to the stadium and see nobody

[01:24:01] downtown

[01:24:02] so it just kind of felt very like

[01:24:03] there was no energy

[01:24:05] though the stadium is nice

[01:24:07] I like it

[01:24:08] it's one of my favorite bullpens

[01:24:09] except for the 30 steps that had to walk up

[01:24:11] to get to it

[01:24:12] but it was

[01:24:13] once you're at the stadium it's fine

[01:24:14] it was just

[01:24:15] there's just nothing to do

[01:24:16] and there's no real restaurants either

[01:24:18] nothing like nothing that wasn't like a Capitol Grill

[01:24:20] so it was like a lot of chains

[01:24:22] nothing really special except for

[01:24:25] the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

[01:24:26] so that's why I mentioned that

[01:24:27] I was like put the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

[01:24:28] like I know I've been there four times

[01:24:31] I don't know they're not getting enough new stuff

[01:24:33] there's not enough rock and rollers

[01:24:35] I don't know what to do

[01:24:36] so

[01:24:37] Detroit's similar

[01:24:39] right but we don't stay downtown in Detroit

[01:24:40] we stay in Birmingham

[01:24:41] which is really nice

[01:24:42] there's lots of restaurants

[01:24:43] and the hotel's cool

[01:24:44] it's like a spa

[01:24:45] so it's like

[01:24:46] that's my

[01:24:47] I'm not in Detroit

[01:24:49] but when it comes to like

[01:24:49] if we stayed near America

[01:24:51] it would probably be

[01:24:52] it would probably be higher on the list

[01:24:53] than Cleveland would be

[01:24:54] so I just

[01:24:56] Skyline Chili didn't sell you?

[01:24:59] No somehow the chili on spaghetti

[01:25:01] didn't

[01:25:01] didn't

[01:25:02] graze it too much

[01:25:03] also the

[01:25:04] the stadium's a bang box man

[01:25:06] it's not fun giving up

[01:25:07] 330 foot homers all day

[01:25:10] that are hit 92 miles an hour

[01:25:11] it's not a fun

[01:25:14] not a fun

[01:25:15] not a fun place to be

[01:25:16] I think Louis Guillormé has five homers in his career

[01:25:18] and like three of them are insinutely

[01:25:22] I was gonna say

[01:25:23] that's probably another reason

[01:25:24] Detroit's a little higher on your list

[01:25:26] it's such a picture friendly

[01:25:28] exactly yeah

[01:25:29] and then you add like

[01:25:29] how good is it for me to

[01:25:31] like how good is it for me as a picture

[01:25:34] to pitch there as well

[01:25:35] same thing I love the Coliseum

[01:25:37] but for obvious reasons

[01:25:39] fans don't like it as much

[01:25:40] right

[01:25:41] because their experience is very different than mine

[01:25:43] though there were

[01:25:44] there were

[01:25:45] there were some times where I was like

[01:25:46] okay this isn't worth

[01:25:48] a big stadium

[01:25:49] like this

[01:25:50] this this

[01:25:51] there's too many steps

[01:25:52] I'm walking up downstairs

[01:25:53] way way way too much

[01:25:55] well didn't you mention something

[01:25:57] at one point maybe was on a twitch stream

[01:25:58] about like the chairs in Oakland or something

[01:26:00] like that I don't know

[01:26:01] I was on FAL territory

[01:26:02] no that was on FAL territory

[01:26:03] okay yeah

[01:26:04] and what was it again

[01:26:05] they just broke on you or something

[01:26:07] there was one broken

[01:26:08] well okay

[01:26:08] there was like five broken chairs

[01:26:09] but like there was this one

[01:26:11] it was like a chair out of an office

[01:26:12] it wasn't

[01:26:13] so there was folding chairs

[01:26:14] like the pads on the bottom

[01:26:15] like the green chairs you see mostly

[01:26:17] there was this one red chair

[01:26:19] or this black chair

[01:26:20] it was like one of those fake reclining

[01:26:21] it's like made of all the

[01:26:23] like it's like a wire chair with a black back

[01:26:25] and like you could lean back

[01:26:26] but it's broken

[01:26:27] so it would lean really far

[01:26:29] and you would lose your balance

[01:26:30] and every time it came to the bullpen

[01:26:32] that was only chair left

[01:26:34] so I'd be like

[01:26:35] why is this chair here still

[01:26:36] so I would take it

[01:26:37] and I'd put it in the garbage can

[01:26:39] like just say hey

[01:26:41] throw this chair away

[01:26:42] next night be there again

[01:26:45] only one left

[01:26:46] so I would like

[01:26:47] I would like tell a rookie to get up

[01:26:49] and be like

[01:26:49] and then it would be

[01:26:50] it became a joke to where I'd be like

[01:26:52] it's you today

[01:26:53] and then they would go get a chair from the other

[01:26:55] because I wasn't going to go get a chair

[01:26:56] I'm 10 years older than everyone on this team

[01:26:58] you go get my chair

[01:26:59] so it just became kind of a running joke

[01:27:01] toward they were like

[01:27:02] they would just wait till I got there

[01:27:04] and then someone would just do it

[01:27:06] but it was

[01:27:08] it was just a very Oakland thing

[01:27:10] and for whatever reason

[01:27:11] could not throw the chair away

[01:27:13] it was like Groundhog's day for that chair

[01:27:15] to just kept showing back up

[01:27:16] I don't know how

[01:27:17] I put it inside once

[01:27:18] I took it in to the tunnel

[01:27:21] but it was like

[01:27:22] can we make sure this is throwing

[01:27:23] I sure got you next day

[01:27:26] so I think someone was just messing with me

[01:27:27] at this point but like

[01:27:29] it was fun

[01:27:30] it was funny

[01:27:31] it's funny now

[01:27:32] it wasn't funny every time then though

[01:27:33] because I'm like I'm trying to close the game

[01:27:34] can I have a

[01:27:36] can I have a chair please

[01:27:37] yeah

[01:27:37] I feel like that chair is going to show up

[01:27:38] in your front door soon

[01:27:40] yeah I'm afraid I'm going to look over here

[01:27:41] and she's going to be sitting there

[01:27:42] haha

[01:27:44] last thing from

[01:27:46] go ahead DJ

[01:27:47] okay

[01:27:48] last thing for me Trevor

[01:27:49] so speaking of things you mentioned on FAL territory

[01:27:51] you said you feel like

[01:27:53] when you look at the average age of a baseball viewer

[01:27:55] it's getting a year older

[01:27:57] every single year

[01:27:58] bad trend

[01:27:59] yeah

[01:27:59] how do we reverse that

[01:28:00] how do we get it to go in the opposite direction

[01:28:03] well

[01:28:05] it's

[01:28:07] I think right now

[01:28:08] they're focused a lot on showing the game

[01:28:10] young people

[01:28:12] but they're not

[01:28:15] meeting them at their

[01:28:16] where they are

[01:28:17] to participate

[01:28:18] so

[01:28:20] fantasy like for example

[01:28:22] football is fantasy football

[01:28:24] right

[01:28:25] 18 year olds are playing fantasy football

[01:28:26] because it's not very hard to play

[01:28:28] like it's

[01:28:29] pennies baseball though

[01:28:31] is

[01:28:32] math

[01:28:32] it's it's calculus homework

[01:28:34] and

[01:28:35] it's just not doing

[01:28:36] it doesn't do the same thing

[01:28:37] it's for hardcore players usually

[01:28:39] it's for hardcore fans

[01:28:40] because there's a lot going on

[01:28:42] and it's every day

[01:28:43] and so

[01:28:44] we don't have a lot of casual

[01:28:46] like

[01:28:47] ways to

[01:28:48] casually participate like that

[01:28:50] so

[01:28:50] finding something like that

[01:28:53] that where

[01:28:54] it's not an every day thing

[01:28:55] you don't have to be a fan every day

[01:28:57] but you can still be a big fan

[01:28:58] I think

[01:29:00] young people don't want to invest

[01:29:02] 162 days

[01:29:04] they want to invest

[01:29:05] a day or two a week

[01:29:06] they want to

[01:29:07] they want to be able to keep up with their team enough

[01:29:09] to where they're not lost

[01:29:11] but they don't have to like

[01:29:12] because it's just

[01:29:13] it's attention spans

[01:29:14] or whatever you can call

[01:29:14] but that's just not the way

[01:29:15] we consume things anymore

[01:29:17] we don't watch full episodes of things on TV

[01:29:19] we don't wait for the new episode to drop

[01:29:21] it's just not the way it is

[01:29:23] and so

[01:29:24] that that is

[01:29:25] that's lacking

[01:29:26] and again there's there is a

[01:29:28] that doesn't make the league

[01:29:30] as much money as getting people to

[01:29:32] participate all the time

[01:29:34] so that's what that

[01:29:35] that's why the

[01:29:36] it's kind of a lukewarm

[01:29:38] approach

[01:29:39] because

[01:29:40] there's no front

[01:29:41] front like loaded model either

[01:29:43] where you're like

[01:29:44] okay

[01:29:44] the RSN is going to pay us

[01:29:47] $250 million of the next five years

[01:29:49] and we're gonna get that money no matter what

[01:29:51] no matter how many people are watching

[01:29:52] that is not how the

[01:29:53] media works anymore

[01:29:55] ask any newspaper

[01:29:56] or ask any

[01:29:57] any of these old and dimming media places

[01:29:59] that are struggling to get people to subscribe

[01:30:02] they don't want to pay up front

[01:30:03] people don't want to pay up front

[01:30:05] they want to

[01:30:06] they they want to

[01:30:07] either get things for free

[01:30:08] and they want them quick

[01:30:09] and that's just not the way

[01:30:10] baseball operates so

[01:30:13] they need to find ways to do that

[01:30:14] now it's a hard problem

[01:30:15] solved in my opinion

[01:30:17] but I think there is so many creators out there

[01:30:20] I think there are people

[01:30:21] that are other demographic

[01:30:22] that are

[01:30:24] representing baseball in that like

[01:30:26] funny TikTok YouTubey way

[01:30:29] as like Nicky Cass

[01:30:30] with John Boye

[01:30:31] love Nicky

[01:30:32] I like I love everything does

[01:30:34] he's a great dude

[01:30:35] but he also just found something

[01:30:37] that connected

[01:30:38] but he loves baseball

[01:30:39] John Boye did a lot of that stuff too

[01:30:42] but there's all kinds of guys

[01:30:43] and I just think it's really slow

[01:30:44] like you guys mentioned

[01:30:45] you're able to get on the field

[01:30:47] you know as media

[01:30:50] or as press

[01:30:51] it's hard

[01:30:52] like John Boye

[01:30:53] took John Boye two years to get in the well

[01:30:55] like

[01:30:55] it should not have taken that long

[01:30:57] it's just

[01:30:59] it's you still

[01:31:00] they don't trust the credentials

[01:31:01] they don't trust it yet

[01:31:02] and I just think that

[01:31:03] there's so much talent on YouTube

[01:31:05] and people making their own stuff

[01:31:06] that Dan will be could partner with

[01:31:08] and really

[01:31:09] really

[01:31:11] work with and like

[01:31:12] use and

[01:31:14] and if it from mutually

[01:31:16] but they just

[01:31:17] they just want to have

[01:31:18] they just want to make

[01:31:19] they want more most of the value

[01:31:20] going in their direction

[01:31:21] and that's just not

[01:31:22] that's not how you get

[01:31:24] creators to

[01:31:25] that's just not how you're gonna

[01:31:27] you're gonna do it so

[01:31:28] they're gonna have to loosen that stuff up

[01:31:30] also bam

[01:31:31] isn't helping anything

[01:31:32] let that stuff free

[01:31:34] and let people

[01:31:35] get creative with it

[01:31:36] and make fun stuff

[01:31:37] though they are pretty relaxed on it

[01:31:38] like I take clips and stuff

[01:31:40] and

[01:31:41] again

[01:31:41] change them a little bit

[01:31:42] but like

[01:31:43] they're not like

[01:31:44] copy striking everybody

[01:31:45] but like

[01:31:46] there they are still doing it

[01:31:47] like they could go a long way

[01:31:49] with that too so

[01:31:50] I think there's

[01:31:51] there's a ton of growth in that sector

[01:31:53] if they would just like

[01:31:54] lean into a little bit more

[01:31:56] that's a really good answer

[01:31:58] the last one I've got for you

[01:31:59] and this is a little bit open-ended

[01:32:01] but

[01:32:01] I am genuinely curious

[01:32:03] now that you've entered this media world

[01:32:05] is there

[01:32:06] any long term goals you have

[01:32:08] with

[01:32:09] now being a media personality

[01:32:11] or any events that you really hope to be a part of

[01:32:13] at some point

[01:32:14] in your new journey as a member of the media

[01:32:18] ooh

[01:32:20] so

[01:32:21] cancer the first part

[01:32:22] it is a long term thing for me

[01:32:24] I think that this is kind of

[01:32:27] kind of maybe what I'm

[01:32:29] more of my lane even maybe than playing

[01:32:32] and that's a weird thing to say but like

[01:32:33] it's something that I

[01:32:35] wake up every single morning like

[01:32:36] like

[01:32:37] like

[01:32:38] I'm getting up before my alarm

[01:32:39] to work on stuff

[01:32:40] and I know that's not always gonna be like that

[01:32:42] and it might be the newness of it

[01:32:43] but I also have been making videos for

[01:32:45] I'm about to have my eight year partnership on Twitch

[01:32:48] and I still love doing it so

[01:32:50] I think at that point

[01:32:52] it's pretty clear that I like

[01:32:54] at least the creation side of things

[01:32:55] I like making stuff

[01:32:57] and so

[01:32:58] I think this will be

[01:32:59] I don't know what that's gonna be like

[01:33:01] I think that someday I'm gonna do something

[01:33:02] that really really people like

[01:33:04] and I'm gonna start doing that a lot

[01:33:06] and then before I know it

[01:33:07] I'm gonna be doing that all the time

[01:33:08] I think that's how it's gonna work

[01:33:10] and I'm very much in a like

[01:33:12] discovery phase right now so

[01:33:13] but I do know

[01:33:14] that whether that's like

[01:33:16] doing

[01:33:17] sports media or if it's like the stray hand route

[01:33:20] because I'm interested in all kinds of stuff

[01:33:21] I'm interested in

[01:33:23] not just sports and not just video games

[01:33:25] but like

[01:33:27] science

[01:33:27] technology

[01:33:28] and movies

[01:33:29] I love movies

[01:33:30] like I wanna be a movie creator now

[01:33:32] it's something I'm really enjoying

[01:33:34] I actually just joined our local

[01:33:36] SIF

[01:33:38] called the SIF

[01:33:39] the SIF

[01:33:41] that we have a festival here

[01:33:42] you can get a membership

[01:33:43] where you can go see movies as like

[01:33:44] a critic

[01:33:46] early

[01:33:46] and

[01:33:47] and I

[01:33:49] wanna do that

[01:33:50] so

[01:33:51] but I know it's gonna be

[01:33:52] I'm gonna be sharing what I see

[01:33:53] and fine

[01:33:54] I keep coming back here

[01:33:56] and being in front of cameras so

[01:33:58] YouTube to start

[01:33:59] I'm also interested in how YouTube works

[01:34:00] algorithm and things

[01:34:01] that's really really

[01:34:03] interesting to me

[01:34:04] and then go from there

[01:34:06] but yeah

[01:34:07] I really really like it

[01:34:08] it's

[01:34:09] has not

[01:34:09] waned one bit

[01:34:10] in the last six months

[01:34:12] that's really cool

[01:34:13] I think I can speak for everybody

[01:34:15] when I say people are pretty excited

[01:34:16] to have you in the media

[01:34:18] a fresh voice

[01:34:18] somebody who understands

[01:34:19] the modern game

[01:34:20] somebody who has some personality

[01:34:22] so

[01:34:22] I think everybody's looking forward to see it

[01:34:24] what you bring to the table

[01:34:25] and your new

[01:34:26] career journey as a member of the media

[01:34:28] and

[01:34:29] now that you can be a baseball fan

[01:34:31] I think I can speak for all Mariners fans too

[01:34:32] when I say I think people are looking forward

[01:34:34] to seeing you out at the ballpark this year

[01:34:35] I'll be there

[01:34:36] I'll be there a lot

[01:34:37] so

[01:34:38] don't be surprised

[01:34:39] hey I might actually be

[01:34:40] I

[01:34:41] they've already

[01:34:42] there's been

[01:34:42] I've heard through the grapevine

[01:34:43] that they might be open to

[01:34:45] possibly letting me on the field

[01:34:46] every once in a while

[01:34:47] so maybe I'll be down there

[01:34:48] maybe I'll just surprise the A's one day

[01:34:50] hey

[01:34:52] guys got to answer my questions now

[01:34:53] I love that

[01:34:54] so

[01:34:56] you know who knows

[01:34:56] I don't know

[01:34:56] but I will be around

[01:34:57] you'll see me

[01:34:58] I can't wait for it

[01:34:59] this has been awesome Trevor

[01:35:00] thanks so much for taking some time to talk with us

[01:35:02] it's been a blast

[01:35:03] and hopefully we have the chance to do it again

[01:35:05] and my pleasure guys

[01:35:06] thanks for having me

[01:35:10] hope you guys enjoyed the conversation

[01:35:11] with Trevor May

[01:35:12] really really fun guy to talk to

[01:35:15] and hopefully we'll see him out in person

[01:35:16] now it's a Mariners game

[01:35:17] because it sounds like

[01:35:18] with more time on his hands

[01:35:19] he can now just be a Mariners family

[01:35:21] he's planning to get out to some games

[01:35:22] so

[01:35:23] hopefully

[01:35:24] he's a new member of the Mariners community

[01:35:25] I'm looking forward to that

[01:35:26] hope you again

[01:35:27] really fun conversation

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