Episode 127: Lyle Has A Trade Idea, And Trying To Solve The Mariners Strikeout Problem

[00:00:00] Welcome to episode number 127 of the Marine Layer Podcast.

[00:00:04] We have our two Mariners storyline.

[00:00:06] Strikeouts are still a huge problem from this team.

[00:00:09] We'll try and see we can find an answer to why it is what it is right now.

[00:00:14] And also, how will this team deal with the loss of Taylor Saucido getting injured this week?

[00:00:19] We'll go down on the farm and pick out a standout Mariners Minor Liga.

[00:00:22] We have a Russell Wilson umpire of the week and we'll close out the show with Speak Your Mind.

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[00:01:07] And we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Layer podcast part of the Just

[00:01:11] Baseball Podcast Network recording here Thursday evening, May 9th.

[00:01:17] That Minnesota series sucked while.

[00:01:21] That was not fun.

[00:01:22] Remember how we talked about on Wednesday's podcast that wins and losses

[00:01:27] dictate how you feel the rest of the day?

[00:01:29] Well, that is rain true ever since we recorded that episode.

[00:01:33] And remember how you said what's Thursday going to be like?

[00:01:36] What's Thursday going to be like if it's an early game they lose and you have

[00:01:40] the rest of your day ahead of you?

[00:01:41] Well, here we are.

[00:01:44] That game was over basically before it began.

[00:01:47] So yes, at about 10 30 this morning, I realized I am going to have a miserable

[00:01:52] next 13 hours.

[00:01:54] Yeah.

[00:01:55] So miserable next 13 hours.

[00:01:57] I know it's cooking in your room too while we're sitting here recording

[00:02:00] so your brain's getting some extra heat, the anger is it's flowing

[00:02:05] the energy is here for this episode.

[00:02:08] It's a bad combination for you today.

[00:02:10] It is at least it's nice and cool in here to help me mellow out a little bit.

[00:02:16] But, you know, it could it could have been, you know, probably worse case

[00:02:19] scenario day for you today.

[00:02:21] Not fun.

[00:02:23] Marryers are still striking out a lot.

[00:02:24] We're going to get into that offense outside of one game did not do enough

[00:02:28] this past series against the the twins before we get more into that stuff.

[00:02:33] I got to tell you, we need some ideas to fix this Mariners offense.

[00:02:37] We need some ideas.

[00:02:39] Do you have an idea?

[00:02:41] Oh, I'm so glad you asked.

[00:02:43] I do.

[00:02:44] And if you've been on social media this week, you know what that idea is.

[00:02:49] I have a proposal that I would like to lay out here again.

[00:02:54] Checked our social channels.

[00:02:55] You might know where I'm going with this.

[00:02:58] Mariners have a rotation that you have to capitalize on right.

[00:03:02] You have to.

[00:03:03] This rotation is too good.

[00:03:04] It's so young.

[00:03:04] Nobody's getting paid besides Louise and they need to do everything possible

[00:03:09] to make sure they optimize on this opportunity.

[00:03:13] That would involve probably be an aggressive trade deadline, right?

[00:03:16] There's a certain team that's not winning a lot right now.

[00:03:19] And if they continue not to win, they may be forced to be in a cell

[00:03:23] mode at the deadline.

[00:03:24] So I would like to preface this idea by saying, is this total

[00:03:28] fan brain possibly yes?

[00:03:31] Are there about a million barriers that they would have the Mariners

[00:03:34] would have to hurdle for it to make it happen?

[00:03:36] Also, yes.

[00:03:38] Am I still hell bent on the idea you bet your ass I am and what is

[00:03:43] that idea?

[00:03:46] The Mariners should trade for Kyle Tucker.

[00:03:49] Do you run this idea by Dana Brown?

[00:03:52] Well, dude claims they're not selling.

[00:03:55] Yeah, buddy, you're not selling on May 8th and May 9th.

[00:03:58] Shocker.

[00:03:59] Now, if it's July 31st and you're eight games under 500 and

[00:04:03] you've got no business competing in 2024, you're selling.

[00:04:07] Now does that mean you're going to sell Kyle Tucker?

[00:04:09] I don't know.

[00:04:10] You're probably going to trade off Verlander and Alex

[00:04:12] Bregman who are going to be free agents at the end of the

[00:04:14] year.

[00:04:15] You're not getting the return on those guys that you get

[00:04:17] for Kyle Tucker.

[00:04:18] I seem to recall Kyle Tucker doesn't have an extension,

[00:04:21] does he?

[00:04:22] Kyle Tucker is a year and a half left on his contract,

[00:04:25] doesn't have an extension.

[00:04:26] The Astros are third in baseball in payroll.

[00:04:29] They're third.

[00:04:31] Like, you know, the New York Mets, the heavily, heavily

[00:04:34] caviar, the heavily praised or not praised team for having a

[00:04:37] crazy payroll.

[00:04:39] There are only two spots below them, the Steve Cohen run New

[00:04:41] York Mets 2025.

[00:04:43] There's seven that payroll is high and they've paid a lot

[00:04:46] of guys.

[00:04:47] They paid Altuve.

[00:04:48] They paid Yordon.

[00:04:49] They've paid a bunch of guys in the bullpen with Hader

[00:04:51] and Montero that paid Jose Abreu.

[00:04:55] How many more guys can you pay?

[00:04:57] They're not going to be able to pay everybody.

[00:04:58] That's the case with every team.

[00:05:00] Tucker doesn't have an extension and the Astros are

[00:05:03] losing.

[00:05:04] Therefore, I propose the Mariners go all in, full send

[00:05:11] this deadline.

[00:05:12] Traveller Kyle Tucker.

[00:05:15] Okay, so you asked the question, is it fan brain?

[00:05:17] I'm going to say probably yes.

[00:05:19] It probably is yes, but a trade like this isn't something

[00:05:25] that can't be done.

[00:05:27] Here's how you think about a trade like this.

[00:05:29] If we're going to be 100% realistic, so we've seen

[00:05:32] Juan Soto now get traded twice.

[00:05:34] Kyle Tucker is not Juan Soto as a hitter, closer than

[00:05:38] you might think, but he's not Juan Soto as a hitter.

[00:05:40] But Kyle Tucker is a bit better out in the outfield

[00:05:44] as well.

[00:05:45] So that could be a semi-decent comparison when

[00:05:47] the Yankees traded for Soto with one year of

[00:05:49] control in this off season before he hits free

[00:05:52] agency.

[00:05:53] Now I'm sure the Yankees expect to sign Soto to

[00:05:55] an extension if they can, but if they don't, the

[00:05:59] package that they gave up really wasn't all that

[00:06:02] much.

[00:06:02] They gave up the White Sox current number three

[00:06:04] prospect Drew Thorpe who is part of the Dillon C's

[00:06:07] trade and then they have a bunch of guys who

[00:06:10] are essentially net zero war big leaders like a

[00:06:14] handful that are net zero war.

[00:06:15] Really the price is not that much.

[00:06:16] Now here's what the problem the Mariners would

[00:06:19] have in this situation.

[00:06:20] It would take a King's ransom to trade Kyle

[00:06:23] Tucker a player that good to a division rival to

[00:06:26] play you 15 times a season.

[00:06:28] It would, you would really have to make it worth

[00:06:31] Houston's time to make this happen.

[00:06:34] The whole would be pretty massive, but you got to

[00:06:39] do it.

[00:06:39] You would have to if there's even a 1% or

[00:06:43] half percent chance of this being available to

[00:06:46] you the fit couldn't be better.

[00:06:48] Right?

[00:06:49] You have your two corner outfielders.

[00:06:50] If you believe in Dom Kanzone for the future,

[00:06:52] there's one.

[00:06:54] You have Kyle Tucker is the other and then you have

[00:06:55] Julio and center that you don't have to platoon

[00:06:58] anymore.

[00:06:59] You have your starting three outfielders every

[00:07:01] single day, your athletic, you cover enough ground.

[00:07:03] You got strong arms out there.

[00:07:06] The other thing I think just about every team

[00:07:09] in baseball would want to trade for Kyle Tucker

[00:07:11] if he was available.

[00:07:12] So yeah, you bet there would be a bidding war

[00:07:15] for him and the app you would be up against

[00:07:18] teams with they might not have not a better

[00:07:20] farm systems, but they certainly would be a lot

[00:07:23] farther away from Houston than Seattle is

[00:07:26] while playing in that division.

[00:07:28] So, Lyle, I like your idea.

[00:07:30] Like you're thinking the other thing that the

[00:07:32] Mariners have working for them and or teams

[00:07:34] looking to trade for Kyle Tucker do in this

[00:07:36] situation.

[00:07:38] So you mentioned all the guys the Astros have paid.

[00:07:40] You didn't mention the guys the Astros haven't

[00:07:42] paid yet.

[00:07:43] Alex Bregman is going to be a free agent.

[00:07:45] They decide to pay him that makes it even

[00:07:47] less likely to keep Kyle Tucker.

[00:07:50] They also got to play pay Framber Valdez.

[00:07:53] He's not going to be cheap either.

[00:07:55] There are decisions that are going to have to be

[00:07:57] made here and if Kyle Tucker is the most expensive

[00:08:00] of all these guys that makes it seem like it

[00:08:03] would be the least likely he gets the extension.

[00:08:07] So here's all my counterpoints and to build

[00:08:09] off of what you said.

[00:08:11] Would Kyle Tucker being traded in division be a

[00:08:14] huge hurdle for the Mariners?

[00:08:17] Yes, of course it would.

[00:08:18] However, I'm not saying Kendall Graveman is Kyle

[00:08:22] Tucker, but it's not like impactful players can't

[00:08:26] be traded within your own division.

[00:08:27] Kendall Graveman was one of the best relievers in

[00:08:29] baseball when that trade happened.

[00:08:31] He was on top of his game.

[00:08:32] He was on top of the world.

[00:08:34] He got traded within the division.

[00:08:35] That did happen.

[00:08:36] So it's possible.

[00:08:38] The other counterpoint is did any Mariners fan

[00:08:40] out there?

[00:08:41] Did any of you truly believe before you got

[00:08:43] that pass and notification in late July on that

[00:08:46] night in 2022 that said Louise Castillo being traded

[00:08:50] to the Seattle Mariners?

[00:08:51] Did you ever for a second believe these Seattle

[00:08:54] Mariners were going to acquire Louise Castillo?

[00:08:56] No, you didn't.

[00:08:58] You did not think the Mariners were going to get

[00:09:00] Louise Castillo, but they did.

[00:09:01] It took a haul to get them, but they got them

[00:09:04] and it was worth it.

[00:09:05] So year and a half left on his contract like

[00:09:07] Tucker year and a half left on his contract

[00:09:09] like Castillo just saying I think most people

[00:09:12] wanted him and knew they needed a starting

[00:09:14] picture.

[00:09:15] I think people just knowing the franchise they were

[00:09:17] rooting for set their expectations a little bit

[00:09:19] lower.

[00:09:20] So bring him back up.

[00:09:22] Think Louise Castillo and think to yourselves.

[00:09:25] It's possible.

[00:09:26] Think to yourself.

[00:09:27] And here's and here's what I'll say too.

[00:09:30] Kyle Tucker is not a Boris guy.

[00:09:32] So you know how the Mariners traded for Louise

[00:09:33] in about a month and a half later extended him?

[00:09:36] Kyle Tucker is going to be very expensive,

[00:09:38] but you want to talk about extension candidates

[00:09:40] like we've talked about on some of our live streams

[00:09:42] with by the way, if you guys don't know,

[00:09:43] we go live every Sunday night on Instagram and

[00:09:46] YouTube to take your questions.

[00:09:48] So come hang out with us and send us your questions

[00:09:50] if you got time on Sunday nights.

[00:09:52] Logan, Cal, George, we've talked about who's the

[00:09:55] most likely to get extended.

[00:09:57] You go trade for Kyle Tucker.

[00:09:59] I don't care the prospect haul you're giving up.

[00:10:01] If you can get that extension done.

[00:10:04] 150% worth it.

[00:10:07] So you ask yourself this question.

[00:10:09] If you're okay parting with a package of Emerson

[00:10:13] Hancock, Harry Ford and then want,

[00:10:16] let's say, Ty Peter, Johnny Farmel.

[00:10:18] I think that's what it would take in division to

[00:10:20] get a player like Kyle Tucker.

[00:10:22] If you ask yourself that question and you say,

[00:10:26] yes, I'm okay parting with those players to acquire

[00:10:28] Kyle Tucker, which I personally am as much as

[00:10:31] I love those guys.

[00:10:32] I think Kyle Tucker would earn insurmountably

[00:10:35] increase the Mariners chances of winning a world series.

[00:10:38] So yeah, I'm doing, I'm doing that.

[00:10:42] I just can't throw trade packages out there of

[00:10:44] specific players because I just don't know.

[00:10:47] I like because in the White Sox fans will come

[00:10:49] come for your throat and say, oh, dare you, Lyle?

[00:10:53] Well, maybe it's partly that.

[00:10:55] But no, like again, we've seen what some of the

[00:10:57] trade packages have been over the off season

[00:11:00] and it's trades that I never would have guessed.

[00:11:02] I would have thought one soda would have

[00:11:03] cost it a lot more.

[00:11:04] So I'm not going to pretend to throw packages

[00:11:06] out there personally.

[00:11:07] Like I know exactly what it would cost to get

[00:11:09] them.

[00:11:09] However, I would be calling and I would be

[00:11:13] seeing what it would take.

[00:11:14] I'll tell you that is this fan brain again?

[00:11:17] Probably yes.

[00:11:18] But I'm serious in the fact that if the

[00:11:20] Astros keep losing and you're not going to

[00:11:23] extend Tucker, they very well might trade him.

[00:11:27] So I'm just throwing it out there.

[00:11:31] Would you consider the same thing for Alex

[00:11:33] Bregman this year?

[00:11:35] Hmm.

[00:11:37] I don't know because Alex Bregman plays third base.

[00:11:40] I'm not saying at their peaks.

[00:11:43] Bregman is obvious like is Bregman historically

[00:11:46] a better player than Rojas in areas?

[00:11:47] Of course, but he's not hitting so great right

[00:11:50] now.

[00:11:50] He's got half a year on his deal and he can

[00:11:52] only play third base.

[00:11:54] So there's not a lot of ways you can move

[00:11:57] that around.

[00:11:57] Maybe Rojas starts playing other positions.

[00:11:59] If that's the case, but Bregman also would

[00:12:03] be a rental.

[00:12:04] So I don't know if he would cost less, but he

[00:12:07] would be more of a rental.

[00:12:09] I'm thinking long term plan here again.

[00:12:11] Same idea.

[00:12:11] The Mariners very clearly had the blueprint laid

[00:12:14] out that if they trade for Luis Castillo, no,

[00:12:17] he's not a Boris guy expected to compensate

[00:12:19] him fairly.

[00:12:20] They said this is a guy we want to extend

[00:12:22] basically before we ever traded for them.

[00:12:24] They knew that Kyle Tucker feels like a guy

[00:12:26] if they trade for him.

[00:12:28] That's a guy they have in mind saying we

[00:12:30] want to get an extension done.

[00:12:32] Remember when we had tie on a couple of weeks

[00:12:33] ago and he keeps saying how it's been hard

[00:12:36] for the Mariners to find Robin to Julio's

[00:12:39] Batman that has been the case so far.

[00:12:42] I'll tell you what, they've got a robin if

[00:12:45] they trade for Kyle Tucker and truthfully

[00:12:48] Robin might be getting a little power happy

[00:12:50] if he was if he was in the Pacific Northwest

[00:12:52] in terms of how close does he get to

[00:12:54] Batman?

[00:12:54] Of course, Kyle Tucker is not a better

[00:12:56] player than Julio when they're both at

[00:12:57] their peak, but gets close.

[00:13:01] It's Julio, but it's it's it's not by a whole

[00:13:04] ton.

[00:13:05] So again, I it's it's my love to comment on

[00:13:09] this after what I said in the off season.

[00:13:11] My am I allowed in good faith to say that

[00:13:13] as someone who called Kyle Tucker an aircraft

[00:13:16] carrier in Julio not because because you

[00:13:20] know, I did retract my statement.

[00:13:22] I realized what I said was stupid and

[00:13:24] probably should have been framed differently.

[00:13:26] But I mean, we're talking about two

[00:13:28] similar caliber hitters.

[00:13:30] If we're if we're if we're being a hundred

[00:13:32] percent in the box.

[00:13:34] Yeah, like at their peaks, they offer very

[00:13:38] similar profiles.

[00:13:39] Julio's got a little bit more power, but

[00:13:42] Kyle Tucker can match 30.

[00:13:44] No problem.

[00:13:45] He's you know, athletic playing out there

[00:13:47] in the corner outfield Julio's advantage

[00:13:49] is that he's a little faster.

[00:13:50] He's a little bigger and he plays center.

[00:13:51] But otherwise, I mean, we're talking,

[00:13:53] you know, 140 WRC plus with both of

[00:13:56] them and you take that certainly.

[00:13:58] And what's better than one aircraft carrier

[00:14:01] alliance to unbeatable from talking about

[00:14:06] people are probably going to get mad

[00:14:07] that we just spent 15 minutes talking

[00:14:09] about this to a hundred percent.

[00:14:10] A hundred percent.

[00:14:11] Guess what?

[00:14:13] It's fun to fantasize about ideas.

[00:14:16] Sometimes people it really is like something

[00:14:19] so many people are such or are so cynical

[00:14:23] out there.

[00:14:24] TJ and our fans of the team, people know

[00:14:26] that so naturally sometimes we get ideas.

[00:14:29] We think they're half decent ideas.

[00:14:30] We want to talk about them.

[00:14:31] I'm not saying this is going to happen.

[00:14:34] Is it a zero percent chance?

[00:14:36] I won't quite say that because I do think

[00:14:37] there's points that we've made that are

[00:14:39] valid between again if the Astros keep

[00:14:41] losing, they cannot pay everybody.

[00:14:43] They're payrolls high.

[00:14:45] It's just an idea before we move on.

[00:14:48] Can I go ahead actually let me put a proposal

[00:14:51] for it for the people who want to call

[00:14:54] us idiots and think this is lunacy.

[00:14:56] Okay, you're more than fair to think that.

[00:14:59] Give us a different proposal.

[00:15:00] Can you find us another player who can

[00:15:02] bring the impact the Mariners will need

[00:15:05] in this lineup because right now they need it.

[00:15:08] And this is and this would be I mean

[00:15:11] this would be an make an astronomical

[00:15:13] Luis Castillo level difference to this line

[00:15:16] up where people, you know, so many

[00:15:18] people have been asking for the resources

[00:15:21] to be spent like a true like bonafide stud

[00:15:25] in the lineup, not like like a year after

[00:15:28] year all star like top 20 player in the

[00:15:31] sport level good.

[00:15:33] That would be it right here.

[00:15:35] So if you don't like this idea, can you

[00:15:37] give us another one?

[00:15:38] Please give us another one.

[00:15:39] Do the research.

[00:15:40] Go find us another bonafide top 20

[00:15:42] player who's on the who could be on

[00:15:44] the block this year whose teams terrible

[00:15:46] with the Mariners actually could acquire.

[00:15:48] Thank you.

[00:15:49] I love that you proposed it like that.

[00:15:51] That is our that is our ask people.

[00:15:53] If you're going to hop in the comments and say

[00:15:55] you morons this and it's never hop.

[00:15:56] It's never happening that give us an idea

[00:15:59] otherwise give us a thought out idea

[00:16:02] because what happened so much of the time

[00:16:04] is there's people on Twitter that are

[00:16:06] going to complain nonstop saying why don't

[00:16:08] they ever do anything?

[00:16:09] Why don't they acquire in like acquire

[00:16:11] an impact player?

[00:16:12] Why don't they ever do what it takes to

[00:16:14] put them over the top?

[00:16:15] Here's two people sitting here saying

[00:16:17] here's an idea to get them over the top

[00:16:19] but then those same people who put those thoughts

[00:16:21] out on Twitter will then comment on ideas

[00:16:23] like this and say you morons like that's not

[00:16:25] happening.

[00:16:26] So give us an idea.

[00:16:28] I will say though last thing before we move on

[00:16:32] man have I had a field day in our comment

[00:16:35] section about this post.

[00:16:37] I have replied to almost every single person

[00:16:40] who is commented on this Kyle Tucker idea

[00:16:42] on social media and I'm having a blast with it too.

[00:16:45] There's Astros fans that are in our replies

[00:16:47] are getting so pissed off.

[00:16:49] I'm going to give you a couple examples.

[00:16:51] There was somebody that's like there was somebody

[00:16:54] that replies with the start of the Yordon

[00:16:57] Alvarez homerun call from the ALCS.

[00:16:59] Somebody says Alvarez launches deep right

[00:17:02] field to which I respond to this Astros fan.

[00:17:05] Tucker races back at the track at the wall

[00:17:08] makes the catch, robs Yordon of a homerun

[00:17:11] Mariners get out of the inning unscathed.

[00:17:14] Like I'm very clearly trolling back at this guy

[00:17:16] and people like that keep replying like they keep

[00:17:19] responding to like somehow can't read on the fact

[00:17:23] that we're very clearly trolling them back

[00:17:26] and they just keep going or some people tell us

[00:17:28] you're stuck on idiot mode and you got like this

[00:17:31] is the dumbest idea I've ever heard

[00:17:33] and I'll respond being like false.

[00:17:35] We actually graduated at the top of our class

[00:17:37] from Harvard and ball knower.

[00:17:39] So you're wrong.

[00:17:45] I have had such a field day with these Astros fans

[00:17:47] in our comments.

[00:17:47] I got to tell you it has been a blast.

[00:17:50] So so yeah.

[00:17:51] Well dog to conclude all of this I'll just say

[00:17:55] good idea.

[00:17:56] I like it.

[00:17:58] That's it.

[00:17:59] That's good couple housekeeping things before

[00:18:02] we get into our Mariners storylines.

[00:18:04] First of all, this episode will come out on Friday.

[00:18:08] We are aware that Brian will be starting on Friday.

[00:18:11] We'll have a whole storyline dedicated to our Brian

[00:18:13] Wu expectations on next Wednesday's episode after

[00:18:17] he's got to start under his belt.

[00:18:19] So stay tuned for that.

[00:18:21] Secondly, a reminder we're going to be at the

[00:18:23] ballpark this weekend Saturday and Monday.

[00:18:26] The two of us will be at the ballpark will be on

[00:18:29] the field will be in the pen doing fan content.

[00:18:32] So especially Saturday because you know that's

[00:18:33] going to be a popular day for everyone to get

[00:18:35] out to the ballpark.

[00:18:36] If you'd like to be a part of our fan content

[00:18:38] come track us down in the pen or yell at us on the

[00:18:41] field or come find us somewhere you should be

[00:18:44] able to find us will be out there in the pen will

[00:18:45] be will be spending time there trying to get some

[00:18:48] fan content done.

[00:18:49] So Saturday and Monday this upcoming weekend

[00:18:52] against the A's and Royals respectively come find

[00:18:55] us and come say hi that would be great.

[00:18:58] It'd be great.

[00:18:58] Weather is going to be awesome this weekend.

[00:19:00] Oh my goodness.

[00:19:01] So all the more reason to get out to the park

[00:19:03] obviously I oh and the fact that again TJ and I aren't

[00:19:09] always there for a ton of games together.

[00:19:12] So we'll be there this weekend and just one more

[00:19:14] reminder I'll be there myself Friday.

[00:19:16] So if you're at the games Friday can still come

[00:19:18] find me TJ will be there with his family Sunday.

[00:19:21] If you happen to see TJ walking around like I said

[00:19:23] like we've said I'm sure he will be happy to stop

[00:19:25] and say hi you want to meet my twin.

[00:19:27] You want to meet my twin you come find me on Sunday.

[00:19:30] Oh there's a chance you might think see somebody

[00:19:32] walking around and think it's TJ and somebody might

[00:19:35] come up to your identical twin brother and say hey TJ.

[00:19:40] Jason is 100% going to go get a beer during the game

[00:19:43] and someone's going to be like dude I love the podcast

[00:19:46] and he's like and he just like plays right along as I hope

[00:19:49] thanks.

[00:19:50] That would be funny if Jason plays into the whole

[00:19:52] narrative that would be hilarious.

[00:19:53] Yes for those who don't know TJ has an identical twin.

[00:19:56] Oh we keep stalling before we get into the storylines

[00:19:59] too. There's a storyline we have to get to TJ before

[00:20:02] we even start the ones we planned out.

[00:20:05] We've talked about Gino's return.

[00:20:07] We talked about Kalmyk's return this weekend pal with

[00:20:12] you in person.

[00:20:13] He's back.

[00:20:18] Ape Toro

[00:20:20] will he drive in more runs than the Mariners score

[00:20:23] this weekend.

[00:20:25] I'll promise our listeners this if if he's going

[00:20:29] off this weekend.

[00:20:31] I'm getting it on video I'm getting TJ's reaction on video

[00:20:35] to the way like even if we're in like no matter where we

[00:20:39] are I'm going to put that camera on him and just get his

[00:20:42] facial reaction to Ape Toro driving in three runs and

[00:20:45] clearing the bases on a double or something like that.

[00:20:51] I really you know I really want our comment like they're

[00:20:54] like they're like based on the season he is having and

[00:20:58] people appointed this out to us like Ape Toro would be the

[00:21:00] second or third best player on this current roster which

[00:21:02] just blows my mind right now Abraham Toro if you insert him

[00:21:07] into this lineup would be like your second best hitter

[00:21:10] right now.

[00:21:11] I'm like what what am I watching what does it taste like

[00:21:15] vinegar in your mouth to utter those words.

[00:21:17] Yeah yes it does yes it does because I cannot physically

[00:21:21] see it with my own eyes and now he's coming back here

[00:21:25] in division.

[00:21:27] This is only the first of 15 times I'm gonna have to watch it

[00:21:30] this year and and years moving forward man I wish we had

[00:21:35] started the podcast earlier in 2022 because I got to tell you

[00:21:38] guys listening the amount of time I had to deal with TJ

[00:21:43] screaming at me over text watching Ape Toro at bats was

[00:21:48] unreal you guys never got to see these reactions on the

[00:21:51] podcast but there will be times he'd be screaming over

[00:21:54] text and all caps at me and I'd respond we were all at the

[00:21:58] point I think all Mariners fans knew yeah he's really not

[00:22:00] playing well I didn't know how much else I could say to TJ

[00:22:04] other than yes I know he's not not playing well but he would

[00:22:07] just keep going like like it's caps text this after all caps

[00:22:11] text this that and I'm like I don't I don't know what else

[00:22:15] to say.

[00:22:16] 32 starts at DH and he can't hit you know I will I will

[00:22:24] I will rest my final point here knowing that if Ape Toro

[00:22:26] was a Mariner this year his OPS would be like what 450 I

[00:22:31] predicted I think it was a 143 161 211 slash line is what

[00:22:36] we he would be rocking if he was on this team because

[00:22:39] there is no way in hell he would be good on this there's

[00:22:42] no way I'm not convinced.

[00:22:45] Well has that given all you listeners a pretty good

[00:22:47] picture here TJ loves Ape Toro if you can't tell.

[00:22:51] No big fan I'm buying his jersey when we go to the park

[00:22:54] this weekend need to make sure I make sure I get I get the I

[00:22:58] get the full the full picture of that but yeah we're looking

[00:23:01] forward to it dog thank you for thank you for one last time

[00:23:04] reminding the people before we get there on on on Saturday

[00:23:08] anyways though if you're at the park Saturday or Monday

[00:23:11] especially will both be there come say hello love to have

[00:23:15] you on the fan content especially like tell us hey

[00:23:17] I want to get on camera like absolutely would be happy to

[00:23:19] happy to put you on we got some got some very important

[00:23:22] questions we need to ask this weekend that we need answers

[00:23:25] to and we need all of you to answer for us so come track

[00:23:29] us down Saturday and Monday especially it'll be a lot of

[00:23:32] fun. I can't wait to get home but let's get nor Mariners

[00:23:36] storylines we made it waited long enough up first so the

[00:23:40] Mariners still striking out a lot well are they striking

[00:23:43] out a lot I can I can't tell is it 53 in this twin series 53

[00:23:48] yeah 50 53 strikeouts in in four games. What are what are we

[00:23:55] supposed to do here like what are we supposed to analyze

[00:23:58] what are we how are we supposed to digest the fact that

[00:24:01] despite the Mariners putting all their effort in this

[00:24:05] offseason to reduce strikeouts and now that we've

[00:24:08] given it a month plus of time for them to get the rhythm

[00:24:12] the weather is warmed up a little bit and the hitters

[00:24:16] have gotten 100 plus at bats to work out all the kinks and

[00:24:21] yet we're still sitting here in the Mariners are outlier

[00:24:24] the worst team in baseball it's striking out how is this

[00:24:27] possible. I don't know but this is not a good recipe

[00:24:33] if you're the Seattle Mariners I know that sounds like

[00:24:35] an obvious statement but this is this is borderline

[00:24:38] worst case scenario if you're looking at this offends

[00:24:41] because last year's team struck out a ton we all know that

[00:24:45] they survived and they hung around the playoff on all year

[00:24:49] because they could hit the long ball and that was what

[00:24:52] saved them time after time after time. The Mariners this

[00:24:56] offseason got rid of four players because they really

[00:24:58] wanted to make a concerted effort to cut down on strike

[00:25:01] out they did not retain Teosca Hernandez they did not

[00:25:04] retain Mike Ford they traded Jared Kelnick and they

[00:25:07] traded a you Henio Suarez those four guys all

[00:25:10] punched out 30% of the time or more last year all of them

[00:25:14] they didn't bring him back they said we've got to cut down

[00:25:16] on strikeouts they brought in players that they expected

[00:25:19] were going to do that. Here we sit on May the 9th when

[00:25:25] we're recording this that is so far not happening and

[00:25:28] when you have that combination with the team still leading

[00:25:31] the league in strikeout rate and they're not built to hit

[00:25:34] the long ball the same way they used to be that is

[00:25:37] that is really not a good recipe something has to change.

[00:25:41] When you have

[00:25:43] six like six players outlier worst year their career

[00:25:47] in strikeout percentage I'm just trying to sit here

[00:25:51] and think of where like where the like I whether it be

[00:25:57] approach or mindset or is it the batter's eye at T

[00:26:00] Mobile Park like all these theories is the Marine layer

[00:26:05] messing with everyone's head do like is everyone just

[00:26:09] selling out for power like

[00:26:13] you who like who's even the most puzzling one I'd like I

[00:26:16] feel like it's got to be Jorge Polanco because this dude's

[00:26:19] career strikeout percentage is under 19% and he's striking

[00:26:23] out like a you Henio Suarez this year 31% of the time

[00:26:27] like how do we get to this point how does it how does

[00:26:31] it one how does one add this many strikeouts this quickly

[00:26:35] it almost seems unlikely so yet you mentioned a little bit

[00:26:40] at the beginning about yeah like this teams like literally

[00:26:44] is a middle of the pack power team and they're also a

[00:26:46] middle of the pack walk team.

[00:26:48] So when you say worse combination the only work

[00:26:51] the only worst combination that you could have than

[00:26:53] what the Mariners are currently running out is if they

[00:26:55] were worst in the league in power and worst at walking

[00:26:58] so essentially all they did was walk up to the plate strikeout

[00:27:00] they wouldn't walk they wouldn't hit a home runs they wouldn't

[00:27:02] hit doubles triples etc anything and therefore they would

[00:27:05] be the what they would be the worst offense one of the

[00:27:07] worst offenses in the history of baseball that's what

[00:27:09] they pulled out thankfully actually by WRC plus this

[00:27:13] is a league average offense believe it or not 98 is where

[00:27:16] their WRC plus sat before today's game so somehow

[00:27:21] they're surviving but the current combination of

[00:27:25] outlayer outlayer high strikeouts while walking at a

[00:27:30] middle of the pack rate and hitting for power at a

[00:27:35] middle of the pack rate as well is truly unsustainable like

[00:27:39] they they might barely squeak into the playoffs with

[00:27:43] this combination but you and I have talked about this

[00:27:46] a lot in the playoffs to win games you need to hit

[00:27:49] home runs because the pitching in the playoffs gets way

[00:27:52] better guys go shorter they throw harder there's more

[00:27:56] specialization therefore if you're trying to score runs

[00:28:00] it's probably easiest to just hit the ball over the fence

[00:28:02] the winning percentage in the playoffs the last let's say

[00:28:06] 10 years if you out home or your opponent it's like

[00:28:09] 95% you're going to win 95% and this team is currently

[00:28:15] not built to do that it it is truly a worst case

[00:28:19] scenario for how you built this roster so as we sit

[00:28:23] right now tie France is striking out a little bit less

[00:28:26] than 25% of the time which isn't awful in terms of

[00:28:29] the strikeout rate the problem is as we know he has

[00:28:32] not gotten it going offensively it's really been a

[00:28:34] struggle for tie at the plate JP was striking out

[00:28:37] about 18% of the time before he got injured which

[00:28:40] is about what JP usually does which is great because

[00:28:42] he strikes out less than 20% of the time JP's

[00:28:44] never been a big strikeout guy Josh Rohas is

[00:28:47] striking out a little less than 18% of the time also

[00:28:50] great we can't say enough good things about Josh Rohas

[00:28:53] so far this year but I got to go through the rest

[00:28:56] of this list we're just going to let's read it down

[00:28:58] and I'm going to try to do this without turning

[00:29:00] into the Joker here but we're going to do it

[00:29:03] Julio striking out a little over 28% of the time

[00:29:07] Demos striking out a little over 28% of the time

[00:29:10] and after that man like you have four hitters

[00:29:16] currently four hitters that are everyday starters

[00:29:19] I'm not including JP in this because he's been injured

[00:29:21] you have four regular starters who are striking

[00:29:24] out less than 30% of the time less than 30 so Julio

[00:29:29] demo tie France Josh Rohas let's keep going

[00:29:34] Mitch Hannigar 30.1% of the time he's striking

[00:29:38] out earliest 30.4% Garver's over 30.5%

[00:29:44] goes over 31% Dom Kan zone shorter sample

[00:29:48] is on the IL about 31.5% Luke Rayleigh just shy

[00:29:52] of 32% Cal Raleigh is at 33.6% and if you even

[00:29:58] want to throw in a couple others while Jonathan

[00:30:00] Klasse was up he was just under 33% and

[00:30:04] Sebi Zavala is over 42% I just read through

[00:30:09] that entire Mariners lineup of guys that have

[00:30:12] played this year at somewhat of a consistent level

[00:30:16] and you have five of those total guys if you

[00:30:20] want to include Crawford who are less than 30%

[00:30:24] you have two who are less than 20% and three

[00:30:28] who are less than 25 like that that cannot

[00:30:34] sustain never sorry that cannot continue

[00:30:37] that's what I mean to say and it also might

[00:30:40] not be able to sustain itself you know I was

[00:30:43] trying to find an answer to this like I wanted

[00:30:46] to go into this segment why are they striking

[00:30:48] out so much I could not find a definitive

[00:30:51] answer I have some ideas but I was hoping

[00:30:54] through my analysis of looking on baseball

[00:30:56] savant to try and find an answer of why

[00:30:59] they're striking out besides the raw numbers

[00:31:02] themselves when the two strike pitches

[00:31:04] thrown their swing and missing or watching

[00:31:05] it for strike three yeah duh that's why

[00:31:08] they're striking out a lot but it's more than

[00:31:10] that because if you think about this you

[00:31:13] would expect a team that strikes out a lot

[00:31:15] to chase a lot their fifth in baseball

[00:31:17] and chase rate they look balls out of the

[00:31:20] zone they're not swing they are the fifth

[00:31:22] best team in baseball not swinging at it

[00:31:24] but I saw the point made earlier and this

[00:31:26] makes a lot of sense so overall they're

[00:31:28] not chasing a lot but when they do chase

[00:31:31] they're chasing egregiously bad pitches

[00:31:33] therefore less likely to hit it because

[00:31:35] while their fifth and chase rate Lyle

[00:31:37] set 28th and chase contact percentage

[00:31:40] aka when you swing at a pitch outside of

[00:31:42] the strike zone you're not you're making

[00:31:45] contact in the bottom three of baseball

[00:31:47] that makes sense right there the other

[00:31:50] takeaway I had while they have they also

[00:31:54] here's another notable number that I'll

[00:31:55] tie into the point I'm going to make after

[00:31:57] this so they have the sixth lowest swing

[00:31:59] rate in baseball they have the 27th

[00:32:02] rated swing rate so their fourth worst

[00:32:04] in baseball when it comes to swinging

[00:32:06] missing at pitches bad but not the worst

[00:32:08] again the Mariners are outlier bad in

[00:32:11] strikeouts you would expect them to be

[00:32:12] 30th not 27th 30th but no they're 27th

[00:32:17] and with rate so here's here's my my

[00:32:20] macro idea of why this is I think they're

[00:32:23] being too passive and when they are

[00:32:25] swinging they're choosing poor pitches

[00:32:28] to swing at so it's almost a bad

[00:32:30] combination of not being aggressive

[00:32:32] enough at the plate and therefore

[00:32:34] putting themselves in bad situation

[00:32:36] situations to chase pitches I'll let you

[00:32:39] respond to that because I do have one

[00:32:40] more thing to add on here my take away

[00:32:43] when we talked about how they're a top

[00:32:45] five team and chase rate says that

[00:32:47] they're watching way too many strikes

[00:32:49] go by because they're not swinging

[00:32:51] they're not chasing pitches but

[00:32:53] they're still striking out a ton by

[00:32:55] far the most in the league so if

[00:32:57] you're not doing it by chasing for

[00:32:59] the most part you're probably watching

[00:33:01] a lot of strikes and the eye test

[00:33:04] backs that up they are watching strike

[00:33:06] three go by a lot now Ryan Divish we

[00:33:10] had when we had him on earlier this week

[00:33:12] he thought that one of the big reasons

[00:33:14] for their high strikeout rate is when

[00:33:16] they're getting fastball specifically

[00:33:18] when they're ahead in the count

[00:33:20] they're not doing damage with those

[00:33:22] pitches there instead fouling them

[00:33:24] and keeping damp at alive therefore

[00:33:25] leading the pitcher to strike them

[00:33:28] out instead of them getting a hit or

[00:33:30] grounding out or flying out etc.

[00:33:33] Love Ryan like I was curious I'm like

[00:33:35] I want to find numbers to back this up

[00:33:37] when he's saying this they're actually

[00:33:39] like right around middle of the pack

[00:33:41] and baseball doing that like ahead in

[00:33:43] the count facing fastballs in the

[00:33:45] strike zone middle of the pack and

[00:33:47] baseball if not better than that right

[00:33:49] so that that's not even the issue

[00:33:51] either getting pitches to hit and

[00:33:53] swinging at them that really hasn't

[00:33:55] been the issue when they put

[00:33:56] themselves in opportune counts in good

[00:33:59] counts and they're trying to do that

[00:34:01] based on how many pitches they're seeing

[00:34:02] this year but overall the results are

[00:34:05] just not there so in conclusion

[00:34:08] it's on the Mariners to figure this out

[00:34:10] I don't know if there's a solution

[00:34:12] with the current set of rostered players

[00:34:14] that they have to fix this because

[00:34:16] this is pretty extreme usually a team

[00:34:18] will tell you what it is within a

[00:34:21] large enough sample size one month

[00:34:22] maybe not but two months if they

[00:34:25] continue to strike out 29% of the

[00:34:27] time over two months then that's what

[00:34:29] this team is and then we get to

[00:34:31] June and there's still sport at 29%

[00:34:33] k-rate you realize okay so this

[00:34:35] roster is going to strike out a lot

[00:34:37] whether we like it or not whether we

[00:34:39] think we fix the problem the opposite

[00:34:41] or not that does not matter anymore

[00:34:43] because this roster currently does

[00:34:45] strike out and then maybe it comes

[00:34:47] with the addition of a Houston

[00:34:49] Astro who doesn't strike out all that

[00:34:51] much right to sort of try and

[00:34:53] mitigate that where you got put a

[00:34:55] guy in the middle of your lineup okay

[00:34:57] try strikes out 21% of the time or

[00:34:59] however high pal Tucker strikeout rate

[00:35:01] is this year so that like maybe it be

[00:35:03] that you beat me to the punchline I was

[00:35:05] going to let you say all that talk

[00:35:07] about what is the solution with this

[00:35:09] Mariners offense and their strikeouts

[00:35:11] I was going to respond with a one

[00:35:13] liner but you beat me to it Kyle

[00:35:15] Tucker strikes out 16.8% of the time

[00:35:17] perfect except people would be

[00:35:19] able to let you know then people

[00:35:21] will say well he comes here he's

[00:35:23] going to then strike out 26% of the time

[00:35:27] that'd be pretty good compared to where

[00:35:29] the rest of the groups at right now

[00:35:31] I would take 26% right now

[00:35:33] I mean assuming

[00:35:35] you're you're pairing it with everything

[00:35:37] else Tucker brings to the plate offensively

[00:35:39] yeah I'm just trying to think like

[00:35:41] where does the blame go

[00:35:43] with this like seriously is it

[00:35:45] on the org is it on

[00:35:47] the is it on brand brown the new

[00:35:49] offensive coordinator is it

[00:35:51] is it a front office philosophical

[00:35:53] organizational thing is it

[00:35:55] individual level with the players

[00:35:57] and their private hitting coaches

[00:35:59] would that who they work with just as much

[00:36:01] as they work with the guys in the org

[00:36:03] like I'm puzzled

[00:36:05] like it feels like it should be

[00:36:07] a collective effort to get

[00:36:09] this bad really

[00:36:11] when we talk to Divish about this on Wednesday's pod

[00:36:13] he was very very adamant

[00:36:15] about the people online that

[00:36:17] keep saying it's the hitting coaches

[00:36:19] it's not because what Divish likes to make a point of is

[00:36:21] where are all these people giving the hitting

[00:36:23] coaches all the credit when somebody

[00:36:25] has a really good at that when Cal hits

[00:36:27] the grand slam on Tuesday or somebody comes

[00:36:29] up with a clutch hit

[00:36:31] they don't get the credit they only like

[00:36:33] to point fingers and blame

[00:36:35] when it's going south and

[00:36:37] Jason Churchill another friend of this pod

[00:36:39] has been very adamant about making

[00:36:41] points about that this week too is hitting

[00:36:43] coaches are not taking talent

[00:36:45] away from these players like they're

[00:36:47] not taking talent away from the

[00:36:49] monsters stealing away talent

[00:36:51] from NBA guys to make themselves

[00:36:53] juggernauts like coaches are

[00:36:55] not sucking the talent away from players

[00:36:57] that's not like they can't go up

[00:36:59] and hit for them that's not what's happening

[00:37:01] I don't know if it's an organizational

[00:37:03] philosophy or if it's yeah

[00:37:05] more on players

[00:37:07] and their

[00:37:09] inability

[00:37:11] to what's the right word I mean

[00:37:13] be patient be more

[00:37:15] have a better approach at the plate just

[00:37:17] not chase the pitches plain and simple

[00:37:19] I think it's more on the players

[00:37:21] if anything the players will one taking

[00:37:23] the taking the abats the coaches

[00:37:25] can give them all the information possible but

[00:37:27] at the end of the day it's those guys in the box

[00:37:29] it's those guys seeing the pitches it's those guys hitting

[00:37:31] or not hitting in this case striking out a

[00:37:33] lot I think when it all comes down

[00:37:35] to it yes it is on each individual

[00:37:37] player to make a real

[00:37:39] effort a concerted effort to cut this

[00:37:41] thing down just to see

[00:37:43] the

[00:37:45] so yeah okay so the players then

[00:37:47] but then to see that all happen at once

[00:37:49] that all the players

[00:37:51] happen to have at the same exact

[00:37:53] time their outlier were strikeout

[00:37:55] year all at the same time

[00:37:57] it like it almost should not be

[00:37:59] possible you know what's also frustrating

[00:38:01] I was taking a look at some of those savant

[00:38:03] numbers I mentioned you know chasing in the zone

[00:38:05] love or chasing out of the zone

[00:38:07] fastballs ahead in the count falling off

[00:38:09] etc. stuff like that I was curious

[00:38:11] I was trying to find a similar team you know if

[00:38:13] similar team I found the Atlanta

[00:38:15] Braves yeah they're pretty good

[00:38:17] they hit a lot of homers there

[00:38:19] they're pretty good offensive team similar

[00:38:21] profile by the way but they

[00:38:23] strike out 6% less of the time than

[00:38:25] the Mariners pretty similar chase

[00:38:27] numbers in zone swing numbers with

[00:38:29] numbers all of that

[00:38:31] but the Mariners are the ones who

[00:38:33] are struggling

[00:38:35] offensively and

[00:38:37] and our outlier worst in the league

[00:38:39] in striking out meanwhile the Braves

[00:38:41] last I checked at the second best offense in the league

[00:38:43] behind the Dodgers so

[00:38:45] it's possible

[00:38:47] to make the combination of what the Mariners

[00:38:49] are trying to do work

[00:38:51] but the way it's being executed right now

[00:38:53] is suboptimal

[00:38:55] and the more series the Mariners have

[00:38:57] like with this and facing pitching

[00:38:59] staffs like the twins the more frustration people are going to have

[00:39:01] you're not confident right now

[00:39:03] if the Mariners go up against

[00:39:05] a starter who has

[00:39:07] plus stuff and he locates

[00:39:09] even against

[00:39:11] the Diamondbacks Slade

[00:39:13] how do you say his last name the Miami kid

[00:39:15] Cachone Slade Saccone

[00:39:17] Saccone yeah he

[00:39:19] unproven at the big league level for the most part but really

[00:39:21] good stuff throws 96 has that slider

[00:39:23] stepped on the bump and dominated

[00:39:25] against the Mariners because

[00:39:27] he has plus stuff and he was locating that night

[00:39:29] right so

[00:39:31] the feeling when the Mariners

[00:39:33] go up to the plate against a starter like they did

[00:39:35] today in Pablo Lopez who has plus stuff and he was locating

[00:39:37] you just don't really feel that confident

[00:39:39] because there's nothing this lineup does

[00:39:41] right now that would

[00:39:43] make the starter do anything but

[00:39:45] just go essentially like

[00:39:47] locate on the edges

[00:39:49] and then throw an off-speed pitch with two strikes

[00:39:51] and

[00:39:53] game over right one run

[00:39:55] yeah

[00:39:57] you know how you can honestly fix this

[00:39:59] time

[00:40:01] and I don't just mean time for guys like Jorge Palanco

[00:40:03] to cut a strikeout rate down which of all the players

[00:40:05] he's the one I most

[00:40:07] expect for it to come down by season's end

[00:40:09] if Jorge Palanco is not under

[00:40:11] 26% I'll say or

[00:40:13] 26.5% I'll be very

[00:40:15] very surprised he just doesn't do this in his

[00:40:17] career he just does not

[00:40:19] strike out this much but along with that

[00:40:21] I mean time for other guys to get back

[00:40:23] so we highlighted all the guys who are

[00:40:25] striking out a lot right

[00:40:27] but when some other guys start to get back you may see the

[00:40:29] strikeouts go down too here's what I mean

[00:40:31] so let's highlight the guys who are under

[00:40:33] 25%

[00:40:35] in terms of their K-rate. Ty France

[00:40:37] he's the first baseman

[00:40:39] Josh Rojas he's usually in there at third

[00:40:41] and then JP Crawford when he's healthy

[00:40:43] he'll be back in there at short that's three guys

[00:40:45] when Dom Kanzon gets back

[00:40:47] we have seen from him that despite a

[00:40:49] higher strikeout rate in a smaller sample

[00:40:51] through April or start

[00:40:53] some of April

[00:40:55] that in the minors and both last year in the majors

[00:40:57] he is actually not

[00:40:59] a high strikeout guy that's another guy

[00:41:01] that you can add back to the lineup and say

[00:41:03] okay Kanzon should help cut down

[00:41:05] the strikeout so now that's

[00:41:07] roughly four you've got

[00:41:09] Ty you got Rojas you got Crawford you got

[00:41:11] Kanzon that's four guys who should strike out less

[00:41:13] if you count on Polanco

[00:41:15] cutting the strikeouts down

[00:41:17] at some point that should be five

[00:41:19] gotta give it time like I said time is the

[00:41:21] key here Garver if you expect

[00:41:23] for it to cut down another guy they

[00:41:25] signed with the intention that it will

[00:41:27] that's six

[00:41:29] you have to rely on Polanco and Garver not

[00:41:31] just hitting their stride which is going

[00:41:33] to be the overarching theme of this season

[00:41:35] offensively but cutting down the strikeouts

[00:41:37] this is what you acquired them to do that's

[00:41:39] six guys then if you throw

[00:41:41] in Cal and Julio okay

[00:41:43] those two might strike out a little bit

[00:41:45] but it can be counterbalance with other

[00:41:47] guys who aren't striking out as much

[00:41:49] if you have those two in a lineup and even Julio

[00:41:51] Julio shouldn't be striking out

[00:41:53] 28 29% of the time either

[00:41:55] he usually sits around the 25% mark

[00:41:57] which is manageable

[00:41:59] so if it's Cal and then if it's somebody

[00:42:01] else that's in there okay Rayleigh

[00:42:03] Rayleigh strikes out a little bit

[00:42:05] you have two higher strikeout rate guys

[00:42:07] but obviously Cal balances everything out with

[00:42:09] all the power he brings to the plate

[00:42:11] on offense

[00:42:13] in time there is a chance this can go

[00:42:15] down so maybe that's the solution

[00:42:17] it's time you outline all that

[00:42:19] those guys are in the lineup it could come down

[00:42:21] less people would be complaining about Julio

[00:42:23] strikeout rate if he had like nine homers

[00:42:25] right now but he doesn't

[00:42:27] which again the worst combination

[00:42:29] you can have

[00:42:31] you said time is

[00:42:33] something you got to look at

[00:42:35] matters don't have a choice they can't replace

[00:42:37] their whole roster this is what they have

[00:42:39] these players it is going

[00:42:41] to be up to the players to strike

[00:42:43] out less and correct themselves

[00:42:45] and again if they don't

[00:42:47] then

[00:42:49] maybe they make the post

[00:42:51] maybe the pitching really does drag them there

[00:42:53] but the team is not built

[00:42:55] out Homer the best

[00:42:57] it's going to be hard

[00:42:59] yes it is

[00:43:01] man we spent a lot of the show

[00:43:03] talking about two talking points and that's okay

[00:43:05] like we said we've got our

[00:43:07] blood boiling a little bit we clearly

[00:43:09] are passionate about these couple of topics so we spent some time on it

[00:43:11] let's get to a couple others and

[00:43:13] rip through a couple other subjects here

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[00:43:51] couple other things to get to here on the show

[00:43:53] our second storyline

[00:43:55] unfortunately

[00:43:57] our guy friend of the pod

[00:43:59] Taylor Sausato is hitting the I.L

[00:44:01] he had a pretty scary play

[00:44:03] in Tuesday's game

[00:44:05] in relief against the twins there was a foot race to the bag

[00:44:07] where him and Austin Martin were both trying to get there

[00:44:09] sauce it looked like

[00:44:11] stepped on the bag funny

[00:44:13] ended up falling to the ground

[00:44:15] he had to be helped off the field

[00:44:17] and

[00:44:19] from what it sounds like he's got a hyper extended knee

[00:44:21] now

[00:44:23] in terms of what it could have been

[00:44:25] this seems like about

[00:44:27] best case scenario for sauce

[00:44:29] it looked like it could have been a lot worse

[00:44:31] so the timeline right now is

[00:44:33] from what we understand about 4 weeks

[00:44:35] which it's unfortunate he's going to miss time

[00:44:37] you hate to see injuries especially to somebody

[00:44:39] that we love this entire fan base

[00:44:41] loves but

[00:44:43] I'll just watch a little bit of a bullet

[00:44:45] thankfully yeah I mean you looked at him

[00:44:47] and how he fell down

[00:44:49] so nothing twisted

[00:44:51] so you instantly think oh tear

[00:44:53] and tears are bad

[00:44:55] but sounds like he'll be fine

[00:44:57] and that'll be back and that's the most important thing

[00:44:59] the question is

[00:45:01] how do you replace Taylor Sausato

[00:45:03] so he wasn't like he's on the roster

[00:45:05] as more of a lefty specialist

[00:45:07] but he's gotten both lefties and righties out this year

[00:45:09] he's been really good at that he struck out lefties

[00:45:11] he's had a little bit of a higher rate but overall

[00:45:13] a lot of success against both

[00:45:15] he's pitched in every inning fourth through tenth

[00:45:17] that's versatility right there

[00:45:19] the ability to come in

[00:45:21] in leveraged situations

[00:45:23] mop up duty long relief

[00:45:25] just a high leverage inning of his own

[00:45:27] he's really done it all

[00:45:29] so the question you answer now

[00:45:31] is do you want another lefty

[00:45:33] specifically in that bullpen

[00:45:35] or do you want someone who will occupy the Sausato role

[00:45:37] because I think those are two

[00:45:39] different things at this moment

[00:45:41] like the options

[00:45:43] in the minors right now Kirby Sneedy's been good

[00:45:45] he's already pitched for the Mariners

[00:45:47] congrats Kirby, Mariners number

[00:45:49] 1000 Edward Bazzardo

[00:45:51] on the roster

[00:45:53] through with the M's last year who's good

[00:45:55] having a good season down in Tacoma

[00:45:57] right now

[00:45:59] small sample last year he was better

[00:46:01] against lefties than righties

[00:46:03] Carlos Vargas is not

[00:46:05] and he's not going to be a replacement

[00:46:07] go look at his numbers in triple A

[00:46:09] he's not going to be replacing Taylor Sausato

[00:46:11] his strikeout numbers

[00:46:13] are down his walk rate is up

[00:46:15] he's working through some things

[00:46:17] down there and then Jonathan Diaz

[00:46:19] is the other one in Tacoma

[00:46:21] he's also been really good though

[00:46:23] he's been starting so the Mariners would bring him up

[00:46:25] to relieve

[00:46:27] instead of start

[00:46:29] at the big league level so

[00:46:31] I don't know if any of those names jump out to you

[00:46:33] but that's sort of the conundrum the Mariners are faced with right now

[00:46:35] and also the fact that

[00:46:37] they're losing another person they trust

[00:46:39] in leverage situations a bullpen that is in dire need

[00:46:41] of leverage relievers

[00:46:43] the injury bug has gotten them in that part

[00:46:47] right now it feels like they have about

[00:46:49] three Munoz of course

[00:46:51] Gabe Spire of course

[00:46:53] and Trent Thornton

[00:46:55] Ryan Stanek will throw in high leverage

[00:46:57] he is not in his best form

[00:46:59] yet he hasn't quite

[00:47:01] pitched that way yet obviously you're

[00:47:03] banking on that he can get there he has the

[00:47:05] track record and the stuff absolutely to get

[00:47:07] there but you do need

[00:47:09] some more guys behind him 100%

[00:47:11] you do now in reality

[00:47:13] if it's going to be about four weeks for Sausado

[00:47:15] that's not

[00:47:17] that many innings you have to throw

[00:47:19] sauce would throw about what twice a week

[00:47:21] when he was healthy yeah

[00:47:23] so if it's going to be four weeks roughly

[00:47:25] we'll call it eight appearances

[00:47:27] you've got to find somebody for eight appearances

[00:47:29] if it can be Snead

[00:47:31] if it can be one of the other guys you

[00:47:33] outline Sammy Peralta

[00:47:35] is another left-handed reliever that's on the 40 man

[00:47:37] maybe he's an option at some point

[00:47:39] to until Saus gets back

[00:47:41] somebody can fill those innings

[00:47:43] you'd hope in the few appearances

[00:47:45] that will have to be made until Taylor Sausado

[00:47:47] is back so

[00:47:49] you can look at this two ways you can look at it

[00:47:51] as you don't have to fill that many innings

[00:47:53] since he's not going to miss a ton of time

[00:47:55] but those innings are still very important

[00:47:57] Saus played a crucial role

[00:47:59] in what the Mariners do in the bullpen and does play a crucial role

[00:48:01] so you have to find somebody that you trust

[00:48:03] they can get those out

[00:48:05] whether it's a lefty or righty

[00:48:07] you've got to find somebody that you can rely on

[00:48:09] to come in

[00:48:11] and get these out and has the

[00:48:13] comfortability to pitch in a bunch of different situations

[00:48:15] I'm glad you highlighted it that way

[00:48:17] because I wanted to make it a point

[00:48:19] it does not need to be a lefty

[00:48:21] just because Sausado is a lefty

[00:48:23] doesn't mean you need to replace him with a lefty

[00:48:25] if it's a righty you just need to get lefties out

[00:48:27] they're righties who are really really really good at getting lefties out

[00:48:29] and that's really all it boils down to

[00:48:31] I think for so long baseball was infatuated

[00:48:33] with the lefty specialist

[00:48:35] and then you trot out someone like Mark Zepczynski

[00:48:37] who doesn't get

[00:48:39] doesn't get anyone out

[00:48:41] and it's like well what's the point

[00:48:43] of a lefty specialist if he can't even get lefties out

[00:48:45] and then you're essentially wasting a roster spot

[00:48:47] for someone who gets one out

[00:48:49] so all these guys have to be so good now

[00:48:51] to get both lefties and righties out

[00:48:53] because it doesn't achieve it

[00:48:55] I know I know you're smiling

[00:48:57] I had to get that in there

[00:48:59] we touched on Abe earlier

[00:49:01] we had to get to Scrabble at some point as well

[00:49:03] and people wonder why are bloods

[00:49:05] boiling on this podcast

[00:49:07] Mariners lose three of four

[00:49:09] didn't score a ton of runs paired with

[00:49:11] it is super hot in my room recording this

[00:49:13] TJ we're bringing up old flames

[00:49:15] and Abe Toro and Mark Zepczynski

[00:49:17] who to fill people in

[00:49:19] along with Abe another Mariners

[00:49:21] TJ could not stand watching back in 2017

[00:49:23] was Scrabble himself

[00:49:25] so it's all coming back

[00:49:27] don't pretend like you liked him either

[00:49:29] he went the first

[00:49:31] month or so without giving up a run

[00:49:33] you know what in three innings

[00:49:35] I think it was a little more

[00:49:37] ooh

[00:49:39] yeah for his like two batters

[00:49:41] a week he got

[00:49:43] right yeah

[00:49:45] Eric Swanson was a stud

[00:49:47] in 2022 and he had reverse splits

[00:49:49] there's a perfect example of a guy that is a right hand

[00:49:51] a pitcher but gets left these out

[00:49:53] so there you can find a guy

[00:49:55] that has reverse splits and is a right hand

[00:49:57] a pitcher they can get left handed bats

[00:49:59] out so whether it's a lefty or a righty

[00:50:01] the Mariners roll

[00:50:03] with long term and sauce is absence

[00:50:05] we will see but they do need to find

[00:50:07] somebody they can rely

[00:50:09] on now as a result

[00:50:11] we've seen guys like Tyson Miller and Cody

[00:50:13] Bolton throw in a little bit higher

[00:50:15] leverage over the past couple of days

[00:50:17] because of all the injuries in the bullpen

[00:50:19] other guys have been bumped up

[00:50:21] Miller and Bolton until this

[00:50:23] past couple games

[00:50:25] had been pretty good now they hadn't thrown

[00:50:27] a lot of high leverage but they've been pretty solid

[00:50:29] unfortunately both of them

[00:50:31] have had their issues the last couple

[00:50:33] days and gave up their share of runs

[00:50:35] so I'm sure they'll get more chances

[00:50:37] because they're gonna have to

[00:50:39] here in the next couple weeks

[00:50:41] but it's gonna be

[00:50:43] TBD if those are guys you truly rely on

[00:50:45] or not or if you try other options

[00:50:47] and I just think that I thought Tuesday

[00:50:49] was the perfect example of where they're

[00:50:51] at like Tyson Miller's pitching with a

[00:50:53] two run lead in the seventh

[00:50:55] I know that's not how this bullpen is built

[00:50:57] and that's not who Tyson

[00:50:59] is well he hasn't proven that

[00:51:01] that's the kind of spot he's in

[00:51:03] and came in and gave up a run and it got

[00:51:05] closer and closer and closer

[00:51:07] did he give up the lead

[00:51:09] in the seventh

[00:51:11] no

[00:51:13] regardless the game did get tied

[00:51:15] before they before they scored

[00:51:17] four in the ninth inning and took

[00:51:19] the lead regardless he coughed up runs

[00:51:21] in that inning and you know and that's

[00:51:23] because they had

[00:51:25] to squelch out a fire

[00:51:27] earlier in the game with Gabe Spire who had

[00:51:29] to come in all the way in the fifth

[00:51:31] and again right now there's

[00:51:33] just not the there are not the horses

[00:51:35] in the bullpen to cover all the leverage

[00:51:37] situations you need

[00:51:39] and it was a blowout today

[00:51:41] sure but Miller did give up

[00:51:43] another couple of runs in relief today

[00:51:45] only one was earned he gave up a bomb to Max Kepler

[00:51:47] but

[00:51:49] they're gonna have to keep rolling with him

[00:51:51] he has shown flashes of being very good

[00:51:53] again they compare him a lot between his delivery

[00:51:55] and his stuff

[00:51:57] to that of Paul Seawald

[00:51:59] now Miller's ERA after

[00:52:01] today still only sits at 309

[00:52:03] so that may be a guy where they continue to give

[00:52:05] him chances because they need somebody

[00:52:07] to step up in high leverage

[00:52:09] but yes the bullpen which is supposed

[00:52:11] to be one of the Mariners' best strengths

[00:52:13] is not at full strength right now

[00:52:15] you don't have sauce, you don't have brash

[00:52:17] you don't have Gregory Santos

[00:52:19] Stannock isn't throwing like the Stannock

[00:52:21] were often used to

[00:52:23] it's been a little bit of a puzzle

[00:52:25] they've had to put together and they're gonna have to keep

[00:52:27] piecing it together in Sauce's absence for the next few weeks

[00:52:29] and that's why the deadline

[00:52:31] is it's gonna be important

[00:52:33] and reliever looks more and more and more like

[00:52:35] a position they're gonna target when we

[00:52:37] get down the stretch

[00:52:39] and that's whatever is a necessity

[00:52:41] no matter what

[00:52:43] before we go down on the farm and check into the Mariners' minor league

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[00:53:55] let's go down on the farm

[00:53:57] who you got your eyes on this week

[00:53:59] it's a guy we highlighted a couple of times last year

[00:54:04] now we're gonna do so again

[00:54:06] it's Spencer Packard this guy's back in double

[00:54:08] A he's crushing it

[00:54:10] and I want to highlight him not just because he's off

[00:54:12] to a good start

[00:54:14] but because of the position he plays

[00:54:16] and the needs of the Mariners

[00:54:18] you might want to circle this guy a bit

[00:54:20] I'm not saying he is some

[00:54:22] blue chip highly touted

[00:54:24] ultra prospect

[00:54:26] that's on his way in the next couple of months

[00:54:28] but I am just saying

[00:54:30] keep an eye so far this year

[00:54:32] Spencer Packard

[00:54:34] in the minors is hitting 303

[00:54:36] he's got an 821 OPS

[00:54:38] 135 WRC plus

[00:54:40] last year

[00:54:42] he hit 292 with 14 bombs

[00:54:44] 839 OPS

[00:54:46] 124 WRC plus

[00:54:48] so this year he's been 35%

[00:54:50] above league average as a hitter

[00:54:52] in a ballpark that is not easy to hit in

[00:54:54] but what honestly stands out more to me about him

[00:54:56] is his strikeout to walk ratio

[00:54:58] they're awesome

[00:55:00] every level

[00:55:02] his strikeout rate and his walk rate have been

[00:55:04] really impressive

[00:55:06] right now he's walking over 14%

[00:55:08] of the time

[00:55:10] he's striking out 16% of the time

[00:55:12] last year

[00:55:14] walked 12% of the time

[00:55:16] struck out 15% of the time

[00:55:18] so you're taking into account a guy that plays

[00:55:20] the corner outfield

[00:55:22] older prospect at 26

[00:55:24] is hitting a ton

[00:55:26] walks a lot

[00:55:28] doesn't strike out

[00:55:30] for the mariners if they need an outfielder

[00:55:32] but he may not be that far down the line

[00:55:34] so between what he did in AA last year

[00:55:36] what he's now doing this year

[00:55:38] his age and his hit tool

[00:55:40] just circle him is all I'm saying

[00:55:42] doesn't seem like a scenario

[00:55:44] where they would pull him up directly

[00:55:46] from AA if they needed him

[00:55:48] but I would say his wait time

[00:55:50] to AAA is probably not that far away

[00:55:52] like that seems like a next logical

[00:55:54] step for someone with his profile

[00:55:56] like go up to AAA

[00:55:58] it's like the Ryan Bliss

[00:56:00] dominated AA last year

[00:56:02] working through some things

[00:56:04] I think Spencer Packard without that

[00:56:06] ultimate blue chip prospect

[00:56:08] type of upside

[00:56:10] his teammate Terry Ford and Cole Young

[00:56:12] are probably not going to AAA

[00:56:14] they're probably when they're ready in AA

[00:56:16] are going straight to the big leagues

[00:56:18] Packard is going to spend time in Tacoma

[00:56:20] and if he goes and hits in Tacoma

[00:56:22] it's going to be a lot easier for the mariners

[00:56:24] to justify putting him on the 40 man roster

[00:56:26] and then calling him up that way

[00:56:28] so I think so too

[00:56:30] he also plays corner outfield which is a need

[00:56:32] that's a need

[00:56:34] AAA seems likely

[00:56:36] he will probably have some time in Tacoma first

[00:56:38] but I would also bet like you just said

[00:56:40] probably not that far away from

[00:56:42] time in Tacoma because he spent most of his year

[00:56:44] in AA last year

[00:56:46] now he's going off in Arkansas again

[00:56:48] so maybe we're getting close again

[00:56:50] paired with his age being 26 years old

[00:56:52] and his walk rate and strikeout rate

[00:56:54] as well so he gets to Tacoma

[00:56:56] he's hitting if it gets into August

[00:56:58] or so and he's still hitting

[00:57:00] and he's in Tacoma by that point

[00:57:02] maybe he's somebody they give a look again I'm not guaranteeing it

[00:57:04] I'm just saying maybe

[00:57:06] circle him

[00:57:08] there would need to be an opening on Tacoma's roster

[00:57:10] but if Packard's hitting well enough

[00:57:12] I think they could make one

[00:57:14] speaking of guys Lyle who should probably

[00:57:16] be promoted

[00:57:18] you checked in on Las Montes this week

[00:57:20] see what he's doing

[00:57:22] so here's the slash line for

[00:57:24] Las Aromantes, Mariners number 4 prospect is last

[00:57:26] 10 games

[00:57:28] 444, 519

[00:57:30] 867

[00:57:32] 5 homers, 9 extra base hits, 7 walks

[00:57:34] 9 strikeouts this dude is striking out

[00:57:36] 14% of the time in Modesto

[00:57:38] 14%

[00:57:40] I vividly

[00:57:42] remember some of the quibbles

[00:57:44] from people online when Las Aromantes

[00:57:46] showed up at the DSL

[00:57:48] at age 17 and struck out

[00:57:50] 33% of the time people were like

[00:57:52] are we sure he's Yordon

[00:57:54] are we sure? Well yeah maybe he just

[00:57:56] was 17 years old in this first year

[00:57:58] in professional baseball because man oh man

[00:58:00] if we're looking for the Yordon Alvarez

[00:58:02] traits

[00:58:04] he's certainly showing them at the lowest level of the

[00:58:06] minors this year

[00:58:08] he is not long from Modesto

[00:58:10] this dude is 100%

[00:58:12] figured out

[00:58:14] like the cow-leaf pitching

[00:58:16] I mean 14% strikeout rate

[00:58:18] 14% walk rate

[00:58:20] like what are we doing

[00:58:22] it's BP down there for him

[00:58:24] now imagine

[00:58:26] him when he gets to Everett

[00:58:28] right field is a little longer than left field but that is a hitters

[00:58:30] park in Everett

[00:58:32] what about center?

[00:58:34] oh center field too

[00:58:36] so when this group gets up to Everett

[00:58:38] and I don't know if all of them are going to get up this year

[00:58:40] but there's going to be a good batch of them

[00:58:42] that get up to Everett this year

[00:58:44] that's going to be appointment viewing for people

[00:58:46] but if they're waving about this Modesto lineup right now

[00:58:48] they're all going to move up at some point

[00:58:50] yes

[00:58:52] we'll probably see the blue chippers like Colt Emerson

[00:58:54] and Lazar Montes those two at least

[00:58:56] in Everett at some point this year

[00:58:58] I would bet at some point we'll see

[00:59:00] Farmelo too

[00:59:02] Emerson and Laz

[00:59:04] I'm guessing almost for sure

[00:59:06] but there's guys along with them too

[00:59:08] probably see Caleb Calli and Everett at some point

[00:59:10] we'll probably see Luis Suisse Bell and Everett at some point

[00:59:12] we'll probably see a couple others

[00:59:14] and they're a really fun team to go see when they're in Everett

[00:59:16] hey remember when I brought Jacob Sharpe up

[00:59:18] last week

[00:59:20] someone left us a comment about him too

[00:59:22] continuing to hit

[00:59:24] yes it is

[00:59:26] fun lineup

[00:59:28] but Laz man holy moly

[00:59:30] he's working his way up

[00:59:32] we'll say that I think he's figured it out

[00:59:34] at Loway

[00:59:36] so I think it's

[00:59:38] time for him to go to Everett here soon

[00:59:40] I can't wait

[00:59:42] for another guy that is about the easiest person

[00:59:44] on earth to root for

[00:59:46] such a fun personality

[00:59:48] which most of you probably know

[00:59:50] if you don't and you haven't been as tapped in on it

[00:59:52] check in on Laz Montes

[00:59:54] he is such a fun guy

[00:59:56] so yeah

[00:59:58] okay Russell Wilson umpire of the week

[01:00:00] you teed this one up

[01:00:02] who we got

[01:00:04] Mani Gonzalez congratulations

[01:00:06] so he just had the worst umpire game of the week

[01:00:08] on Tuesday's

[01:00:10] Rocky's game

[01:00:12] he missed 17 calls

[01:00:14] 86% called strike

[01:00:16] accuracy

[01:00:18] 91%

[01:00:20] called ball accuracy

[01:00:22] 6% below average on balls

[01:00:24] 2% below average on strikes

[01:00:26] the worst game of the week

[01:00:28] congratulations Mani not seeing over the middle

[01:00:30] whoo

[01:00:32] that

[01:00:34] qualifies as a rust rate doesn't it

[01:00:36] you're not seeing over the middle

[01:00:38] I'm having an itch right now

[01:00:40] you know what the itch is for another

[01:00:42] bad ejection that's what I need a bad ejection

[01:00:44] my itch personally

[01:00:46] is for the challenge system

[01:00:48] but I'm beating a dead horse

[01:00:50] well that too yeah

[01:00:52] I almost did CB I almost did

[01:00:54] but Mani Gonzalez was a little bit worse this week

[01:00:56] Mani Gonzalez

[01:00:58] is a bit of a niche name

[01:01:00] don't worry dog

[01:01:02] CB is going to be on this list at some point this year

[01:01:04] he's going to get the award I don't know when

[01:01:06] I don't know how I don't know at what point

[01:01:08] but you know he's going to be on it if we have to bet

[01:01:10] probably more than once

[01:01:12] probably again

[01:01:14] we need to so

[01:01:16] obviously the namesake of this award is

[01:01:18] the cringe master himself

[01:01:20] but if we were actually ever to give a name

[01:01:22] of this award

[01:01:24] to an umpire

[01:01:26] we would have our contenders we'd have CB

[01:01:28] we'd have Angel

[01:01:30] we'd have Laz

[01:01:32] we'd have Joe West I think

[01:01:34] the latter years could earn his way onto that

[01:01:36] we might have to just do a Mount Rushmore of names

[01:01:38] I think those four are the

[01:01:40] Mount Rushmore

[01:01:42] I like that idea

[01:01:44] you ready to speak your mind

[01:01:46] let's do it let's get to speak your mind

[01:01:48] speak your mind Spock

[01:01:50] that would be unwise

[01:01:55] what is necessary

[01:01:57] is never unwise

[01:01:59] okay what's on your mind today Lyle

[01:02:03] what's on my mind is

[01:02:05] a couple of topics that may or may not

[01:02:07] be what we

[01:02:09] tease some fans up for for some content this weekend

[01:02:11] not the fan interviews themselves

[01:02:13] but what the content consists of

[01:02:15] I'll pick one

[01:02:17] something tells me you might have a thing or two to say about the other

[01:02:19] I could be wrong

[01:02:21] I'll talk about Pat Beth here

[01:02:23] who really made some waves this past week

[01:02:25] for

[01:02:27] basically being in a press conference

[01:02:29] and getting 33 million views

[01:02:31] at least a lot of them

[01:02:33] at least the last time I checked on a twitter video

[01:02:35] asking a reporter

[01:02:37] do you subscribe to my podcast

[01:02:39] only for that reporter

[01:02:41] to say no

[01:02:43] and he's like alright

[01:02:45] you can't interview me then

[01:02:47] if you're not subscribed to my pod

[01:02:49] you can't be interviewing me

[01:02:51] and that went viral

[01:02:53] Pat Beth had to apologize for it

[01:02:55] and I will say I didn't realize this till

[01:02:57] about a day ago

[01:02:59] he's been doing that for a while

[01:03:01] I guess I didn't pick up on that

[01:03:03] he's done some post game interviews on TV

[01:03:05] that they basically couldn't even use

[01:03:07] because all he'd say in his answers

[01:03:09] were subscribed to my pod

[01:03:11] subscribed to my pod

[01:03:13] and they basically couldn't use any of it

[01:03:15] I've seen it on the jumbo trine of him

[01:03:17] yelling into the stadium mic saying subscribed to my pod

[01:03:19] he's done it on some interviews with other people

[01:03:21] it's

[01:03:23] this one went the most viral

[01:03:25] I didn't realize how long

[01:03:27] how long Pat Beth has been doing this

[01:03:29] and that's not even the worst thing he did this week

[01:03:31] he chucked a ball at a fan

[01:03:33] who wasn't looking

[01:03:35] and everybody seems to be forgetting about that part

[01:03:37] because the

[01:03:39] podcast subscribing thing is what's going viral

[01:03:41] both went viral

[01:03:43] but I feel like the subscribed to my pod

[01:03:45] thing has gotten more traction

[01:03:47] Pat Beth is not a good enough player

[01:03:49] to be doing that

[01:03:51] you don't, you are not good enough to just be like

[01:03:53] I'm gonna like high step around

[01:03:55] all the media members

[01:03:57] like he's a dick

[01:03:59] he's a dick

[01:04:01] absolutely he has no intention of being in good graces

[01:04:03] with any of the media members

[01:04:05] and then shockingly Pat Beth would probably be the one

[01:04:07] who would be super pissed off

[01:04:09] when they wrote something negative about him

[01:04:11] that's how these things work

[01:04:13] you piss off the reporters

[01:04:15] they write something negative about you

[01:04:17] and then you get pissed off they wrote something negative about you

[01:04:19] oh no shit

[01:04:23] he's like

[01:04:25] his suspension was only like four games

[01:04:27] for throwing a ball at a fan

[01:04:29] that was low

[01:04:31] he

[01:04:33] yeah he's something else

[01:04:35] and

[01:04:37] he claims he called that reporter

[01:04:39] and apologized and that part I believe

[01:04:41] what he claims is

[01:04:43] they said they were laughing

[01:04:45] he claimed they were laughing about it on the phone

[01:04:47] that they laughed

[01:04:49] about the whole interaction

[01:04:51] that part I don't know

[01:04:53] if the reporter was laughing

[01:04:55] if you're not watching on YouTube right now

[01:04:57] and you're just listening

[01:04:59] TJ's grabbing the hat he's wearing

[01:05:01] and shaking it around

[01:05:03] that's TJ's way of saying that's cat

[01:05:05] I don't buy that for a second

[01:05:07] because

[01:05:09] you know what

[01:05:11] Pat Beth is gonna do the exact same thing next year

[01:05:13] when he gets the opportunity

[01:05:15] it's gonna get caught on camera again

[01:05:17] and the league will probably have to suspend him again

[01:05:19] if he does that

[01:05:21] and then the image of one of their players

[01:05:23] doing this kind of stuff

[01:05:25] so

[01:05:27] in conclusion what did I start this topic with

[01:05:29] we may be doing some content ourselves

[01:05:31] based around this

[01:05:33] what is it gonna be

[01:05:35] you're gonna have to find us in the pen

[01:05:37] hop on the mic and experience it for yourself

[01:05:39] we'll do it this weekend

[01:05:41] I'm excited

[01:05:43] I'm looking forward to that

[01:05:45] it's gonna be good to get back out into the pen

[01:05:47] favorite area

[01:05:49] now

[01:05:51] we need to find a way to drag Divish down there

[01:05:53] what

[01:05:55] they gotta name the pen after Divish

[01:05:57] when he one day retires

[01:05:59] if they just call it the Ryan Divish pen

[01:06:01] that would be the greatest thing ever

[01:06:03] well he always says he wants to bar 10

[01:06:05] why couldn't he just go work at that bar

[01:06:07] oh that would be hilarious

[01:06:09] if he loses a bet

[01:06:11] we should say he has to

[01:06:13] you know let's bring that up to him on Saturday

[01:06:15] you lose a bet

[01:06:17] I'm gonna have to shift at the

[01:06:19] pen bar

[01:06:21] I did say

[01:06:23] okay I did say I had two things

[01:06:25] on my docket

[01:06:27] I'm trying to

[01:06:29] read your mind here through

[01:06:31] our computers and through our recording system

[01:06:33] are you about to bring up the other thing I think

[01:06:35] that is on

[01:06:37] the other thing that's on my list

[01:06:39] you're not about to bring up Drake and Kendrick beef

[01:06:41] I'm not, no I did not have that

[01:06:43] okay well I can spend 30 seconds

[01:06:45] on that saying

[01:06:47] I don't know who's winning

[01:06:49] at this point it seems to be very back and forth

[01:06:51] Drake got a million dislikes

[01:06:53] on his last

[01:06:55] song that he dropped

[01:06:57] I thought by him dropping that

[01:06:59] song and exposing Kendrick

[01:07:01] a bit that people were gonna side

[01:07:03] back to him but it doesn't actually

[01:07:05] sound like they are

[01:07:07] I'm gonna say Kendrick

[01:07:09] I'm gonna say Kendrick's winning this one

[01:07:11] I mean that's what I'm leaning towards so yeah let's go with that

[01:07:13] yeah I'm gonna say Kendrick Kendrick's got the

[01:07:15] you know his music playing

[01:07:17] and warm up like

[01:07:19] warm up playlist at NBA Playoff Games

[01:07:21] it's been on TNT and ESPN

[01:07:23] so I'm probably

[01:07:25] gonna lean Kendrick

[01:07:27] a lot of accusations flying around from

[01:07:29] the two sides we don't

[01:07:31] really know what's

[01:07:33] true and what's not so

[01:07:35] I guess we'll have to see but you know my gut feelings

[01:07:37] Kendrick

[01:07:39] yeah I agree

[01:07:41] well my speaker mind is

[01:07:43] was not either of those things

[01:07:45] I'm more just calling out myself for them

[01:07:47] I'm like

[01:07:49] I'm a little off my game Lyle

[01:07:51] I went shopping last weekend

[01:07:53] I spent three hours walking around a mall trying to

[01:07:55] you know I was shoe shopping

[01:07:57] I said I'm gonna go buy shoes for myself

[01:07:59] I need more shoes I have money to spend

[01:08:01] I walked around for three hours

[01:08:03] and bought one pair of shoes

[01:08:05] I've been in like five or six different stores

[01:08:07] one pair like I'm calling myself out

[01:08:09] I'm very indecisive it is one of my worst traits

[01:08:11] if I'm by myself

[01:08:13] trying to buy anything

[01:08:15] I am

[01:08:17] very indecisive

[01:08:19] so I walk in there

[01:08:21] don't see exactly what I want

[01:08:23] boom I'm out

[01:08:25] four of them like to sign and I'm like

[01:08:27] are you sure

[01:08:29] are you sure

[01:08:31] so I only bought one and

[01:08:33] was a great great use of a Saturday afternoon

[01:08:35] because

[01:08:37] only one pair very disappointed

[01:08:39] myself

[01:08:41] I'm gonna be totally honest I can 100%

[01:08:43] relate to that I've done that exact thing

[01:08:45] where I'm on my own

[01:08:47] I go set out to buy something

[01:08:49] and then I'll walk around forever

[01:08:51] I can't decide what I actually want

[01:08:53] if I'm really gonna get it

[01:08:55] if I need to go check somewhere else

[01:08:57] and it's usually at the mall too

[01:08:59] I've done that exact thing so I get it

[01:09:01] yeah well

[01:09:03] I'm gonna have to take another three hour trip up there

[01:09:05] just to find my next pair of shoes

[01:09:07] because I do need one more pair

[01:09:09] so

[01:09:11] why don't you just order them online

[01:09:13] well I'd like to go try them on first

[01:09:15] so I'll have to return them

[01:09:17] that's a lot of work

[01:09:19] but if it really gets to that point

[01:09:21] then perhaps

[01:09:23] but I also like excuses to go somewhere that's not here

[01:09:25] because I spend a lot of time here

[01:09:27] and there's really not a lot to do here

[01:09:29] as I've said many times on this very segment

[01:09:31] so an opportunity

[01:09:33] to go somewhere else

[01:09:35] is usually encouraged

[01:09:37] well alright but you were just complaining about the drive

[01:09:39] it's not three hours

[01:09:41] I meant spend three hours there the drive's like an hour

[01:09:43] oh that's not so bad

[01:09:45] what pair of shoes did you get

[01:09:49] hang on

[01:09:54] this is A plus podcasting

[01:09:56] these Reeboks right here

[01:09:58] see that

[01:10:00] I like those

[01:10:02] they're nice white shoes

[01:10:04] so

[01:10:06] yeah it's my second pair of Reeboks

[01:10:08] I hadn't owned any Reeboks

[01:10:10] but now I have two pairs I like them

[01:10:12] I'll bring a pair I'm not sure which pair

[01:10:14] I'm going to bring the ballpark this weekend

[01:10:16] but I will be bringing one

[01:10:18] they're nice, not really basketball shoe

[01:10:20] like but they're nice

[01:10:22] I like them a little bit more dressy

[01:10:24] and lifestyle

[01:10:26] and more casual

[01:10:28] and I'm trying to get more shoes that fit with more

[01:10:30] of the outfits as I've talked about

[01:10:32] year long

[01:10:34] to buy better clothes and dress a little bit better

[01:10:36] so

[01:10:38] perhaps break out some good fits this weekend

[01:10:40] alright I'm looking forward to it

[01:10:42] yeah me too

[01:10:44] I'm looking forward to seeing the outfits let's put it like that

[01:10:46] hopefully

[01:10:48] it lives up to what you want them to be

[01:10:50] yeah we'll see I got to pack tonight

[01:10:52] so we'll see what

[01:10:54] what gets decided upon

[01:10:56] okay I like it

[01:10:58] well let's let TJ do that

[01:11:00] and I'll wrap up

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