Episode 159: Have We Seen Anything Different With Dan Wilson In Charge?

[00:00:00] Welcome to Episode 159 of the Marine Layer Podcast.

[00:00:04] We'll dive into if we've seen anything noticeably different in the first week of Dan Wilson as

[00:00:09] the Mariners Manager.

[00:00:10] We'll also highlight the second half surges of Bryce Miller and Brian Wu.

[00:00:15] We will go down on the farm and pick out a standout Mariners Minor Leaguer.

[00:00:18] We have a Russell Wilson umpire of the week and we'll close out the show with Speak

[00:00:21] Your Mind.

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[00:01:08] Recording here on Thursday evening, August 29th.

[00:01:13] Mariners have won back to back series.

[00:01:16] I think that means Dan Wilson has fixed everything.

[00:01:19] All praise goes to him.

[00:01:22] Just judging on how Mariners fans have evaluated this whole saga so far, it does feel like

[00:01:28] it's going to go a little bit like this.

[00:01:30] When they win all the praise in the world is going to go to Dan Wilson because he's

[00:01:34] a fan favorite.

[00:01:34] He's already been beloved here forever for good reason.

[00:01:36] But when they lose, they're going to push blame elsewhere.

[00:01:40] It feels like which didn't really happen with Scott Service.

[00:01:43] Maybe that's because he didn't grow up as a Mariners fan favorite.

[00:01:46] Hmm.

[00:01:47] Interesting.

[00:01:48] That's an interesting way to put it.

[00:01:49] Well, it is sort of a wild stat to realize they've won two series in a row for the

[00:01:55] first time since June.

[00:01:57] Right.

[00:01:58] AK, when they had their 10 game lead because it was the White Sox series win at home,

[00:02:02] the Ranger series win at home, that's when they had the 10 game lead.

[00:02:05] It just blows my mind.

[00:02:07] That is mind-boggling how long it has been.

[00:02:10] And do you know what?

[00:02:11] I'm glad they won these two series.

[00:02:13] It was very important they won these two series.

[00:02:15] They gained some ground in the division and in the wildcard with these two series

[00:02:18] wins.

[00:02:20] But it just kind of felt like they should.

[00:02:23] Right?

[00:02:24] Watching those games, it felt like based on your opposition and the talent you

[00:02:28] were lined up against, judging how you pitch at home and how you pitched in those

[00:02:33] six games, you probably should have won four of six.

[00:02:38] And they did, which thank goodness they did because they haven't done that in a

[00:02:41] long time.

[00:02:43] Let me quickly say this too about Dan Wilson.

[00:02:45] I think we said this on Wednesday's show.

[00:02:47] If we didn't, I'll just say it again.

[00:02:48] I do think there's a chance he's going to be a very good manager.

[00:02:52] And obviously he has the trust of his players.

[00:02:55] But again, it's just the way everything was handled.

[00:02:59] The way the saga is kind of going again where it seems to be a lot of praise to him when

[00:03:03] service didn't really get a whole lot of this that just feels like it's a little, I don't

[00:03:09] even know what the right word is.

[00:03:10] Not two-faced, but it's a double standard it feels like for fans right now.

[00:03:16] And the other thing that we said is that this isn't even really Dan's team.

[00:03:20] He's in charge of it right now.

[00:03:22] But his team will be next year.

[00:03:24] He's in charge.

[00:03:25] That's going to be the team with his stamp on it where he gets to bring a club through

[00:03:29] spring training and they can build this culture over the course of an entire season, not taking

[00:03:36] over for someone else in the middle of a playoff chase.

[00:03:38] It's just hard.

[00:03:39] Right?

[00:03:40] So when we make these sarcastic comments about how much better Dan Wilson has made

[00:03:44] the Mariners team when in reality a lot of this stuff has already been set in stone.

[00:03:49] But I will say since he took over, they have done what they needed to.

[00:03:53] Even when they played to 500 or even sub-500 teams in a row over the past two months, they

[00:03:59] have not won back-to-back series.

[00:04:01] Until Dan Wilson took over and they won back-to-back series.

[00:04:04] Not totally insignificant, I will say.

[00:04:08] But you could also paint it in a bit of a simpler picture, Lyle.

[00:04:12] They played six games in the last week.

[00:04:15] They scored four or more runs in four of those games and they won all four.

[00:04:20] They did not score more than four runs in two of those games and they lost both of them.

[00:04:26] Math is amazing.

[00:04:28] It's pretty simple.

[00:04:29] And that gets to a point I want to hit on in a second, but again, just to reiterate,

[00:04:33] I do think Dan Wilson has the chance to be a good manager, a very good manager.

[00:04:37] But I also think they probably are also four and two of Scott's services still here.

[00:04:41] Maybe it's a morale thing.

[00:04:42] Maybe Dan Wilson really is motivating the players inside the clubhouse, which would be things

[00:04:46] we're not seeing.

[00:04:47] But the buttons being pushed, the lineups being set, it's not that different.

[00:04:51] And if you listen to Ryan Divish with us on Wednesday, he said the same thing.

[00:04:56] It's like, again, this is what a manager does now.

[00:04:58] It's not like the old days.

[00:05:00] These are front office decisions and the manager often just deploys it.

[00:05:05] So again, I hope Dan Wilson is a really good manager.

[00:05:08] I want him to be a really good manager because that means this team is going to be

[00:05:10] successful.

[00:05:11] And guess what?

[00:05:12] Dan Wilson is genuinely one of the nicest people you'll meet.

[00:05:15] Everybody says that, and it's true.

[00:05:17] But I also do stand by the fact I think they're probably four and two in these

[00:05:22] games if service is here.

[00:05:24] Now, again, maybe these players are more motivated behind closed doors and that

[00:05:27] part we wouldn't know.

[00:05:28] But just the decisions being made, the lineups being run out there,

[00:05:31] the opposition, it doesn't feel that different.

[00:05:34] I think that's the ultimate root of what we're trying to get to.

[00:05:36] It doesn't feel that different.

[00:05:38] And you know what I also find interesting?

[00:05:40] There is always a faction of people who want to play more small ball.

[00:05:44] For some reason, I guess you guys like less entertaining versions of a baseball.

[00:05:48] So like we don't even know if Dan Wilson wants to play small ball.

[00:05:53] He like he hasn't said it anywhere that he wants to.

[00:05:56] I think he just wants to score more runs and win. Right.

[00:05:59] Yeah. And and Salk was talking about this this week on Brock and Salk.

[00:06:03] They had Dan Wilson on and Salk started to kind of talk about, you know,

[00:06:08] after listening to Dan Wilson's answer and after hearing some things,

[00:06:12] I'm not really sure that Leo Revas fifth inning bunt was.

[00:06:16] That was what I was about to bring up.

[00:06:18] That was the only small ball play all weekend.

[00:06:21] And it was because the hitter missed a sign.

[00:06:24] Yeah, I was not supposed to buy.

[00:06:26] So I'll start to say, yeah, I don't really know if that was Dan Wilson's

[00:06:30] call or Revas did that on his own.

[00:06:32] It started so he was like, I'm it's starting to feel like he probably did it on his own.

[00:06:35] I went back and I looked through the bunts, these six games.

[00:06:38] I'm pretty sure all except one were just player decisions.

[00:06:43] It's not a Dan Wilson decision to but like Robles on Tuesday.

[00:06:47] Was it Tuesday? I think it was Tuesday or no, it was yesterday.

[00:06:50] Yeah, that was his decision to but.

[00:06:53] Yeah. Well.

[00:06:56] Poor decision. That's what I'll say.

[00:06:58] Because you know what?

[00:07:00] Bunning sucks.

[00:07:01] That's coming.

[00:07:02] That's that's becoming a little bit of my bit on the show now to unbroke and talk

[00:07:05] that I absolutely hate bunning, which you know, for those that listen to the

[00:07:09] podcast and the radio, you know that because what do we say?

[00:07:12] Teach, you are giving yourself less opportunities to score runs by bunting.

[00:07:18] I know, oh, you move a runner over when you bun your playing small ball

[00:07:21] and you set up the sack fly.

[00:07:23] How often do the Mariners hit sack flies?

[00:07:25] I seem to recall a lot of the time when there's runners on in less than

[00:07:28] two outs, they strike out.

[00:07:30] Here's something I want to reiterate when it comes to this team.

[00:07:33] You can, in theory, build a small ball team to be successful.

[00:07:37] First of all, this Mariners lineup is not built to play small ball.

[00:07:42] So when forcing a roster to play something that's not to his strength

[00:07:45] is not beneficial for everybody.

[00:07:48] They'll lose more games if you try and do that.

[00:07:50] I promise you that.

[00:07:52] Second of all, this type of team based on what they're good

[00:07:56] and what they are bad at.

[00:07:57] It's like, okay, let's get a team that already hits.

[00:08:00] Like, let's use some basic terms.

[00:08:02] Right? So they don't make a whole lot of contact and that's represented by batting average.

[00:08:06] They strike out a lot, which means when the ball is thrown in the zone

[00:08:10] or out of the zone, they swing and miss a lot.

[00:08:12] But they also have a low chase rate, which means most of those swings come

[00:08:14] in the strike zone.

[00:08:15] And you don't play small ball requires.

[00:08:17] It requires you to move runners over in a scoring position

[00:08:20] and then the runner behind the hitter behind said,

[00:08:23] Bunter hits the runner in.

[00:08:26] Well, I would say a team that already doesn't utilize its 27 outs most efficiently

[00:08:32] because they strike out too much and frankly can't put the bat on the ball at all.

[00:08:36] Yeah, let's give them less outs to score runs.

[00:08:41] Brilliant idea.

[00:08:42] Seriously brilliant idea.

[00:08:44] Yeah, that's the key here.

[00:08:46] If you drop down a bun, you have less opportunities to get the hit to score

[00:08:50] because that's what it boils down to.

[00:08:51] You can bun a guy over all you want.

[00:08:53] You still need the sack fly or the clutch hit to score a runner.

[00:08:57] And you're giving this team less chances to come up with the big hit

[00:09:00] by bunning and forcing outs on the board when in reality,

[00:09:04] this team needs all the outs it can get like they need all 27 outs because guess what?

[00:09:10] They seem to strike out a lot and you're giving them less of an opportunity

[00:09:15] to actually do damage by dropping down a bun and you're taking away outs.

[00:09:19] Speaking of approach at the plate,

[00:09:21] one last Dan Wilson point before we actually heaps and praise and actually start to try and

[00:09:26] be positive, Lyle.

[00:09:27] Who could have thought?

[00:09:28] I'm missing that.

[00:09:29] I'm going to be honest because we've had like two or three straight weeks

[00:09:32] where every podcast is just starting.

[00:09:34] I think it's longer than that.

[00:09:35] Let's say date back to the trade deadline, I would say.

[00:09:38] What?

[00:09:39] Trade deadline was positive.

[00:09:40] Everything sense is not.

[00:09:41] Which has not been fun.

[00:09:43] Like genuinely, what do we always tell people?

[00:09:45] We like to be the positive podcast.

[00:09:46] It's way more fun to talk about the team in an upbeat way.

[00:09:49] It's more fun for everybody, but we also are transparent with everybody on here.

[00:09:53] And we like to say how we are feeling in real life.

[00:09:56] We take those feelings onto the podcast and share them with you guys because

[00:10:00] we want to be transparent.

[00:10:02] We want to be relatable.

[00:10:03] We want to show all you this is how we're really feeling.

[00:10:05] And the last three to four weeks it sucked.

[00:10:08] And I think we've showed that on the podcast, but you know what?

[00:10:11] There are praises to sing now this week.

[00:10:14] So we're going to do that.

[00:10:15] But yeah, to wrap up the Dan Wilson thing.

[00:10:17] I know you have another point to make.

[00:10:19] I will just say that it's been good.

[00:10:22] Happy that they're four and two.

[00:10:24] Again, I don't know how different it would be with Scott's service.

[00:10:26] I'll also say often still has to hit because they scored four more runs and four of those games.

[00:10:33] But a lot of it was kind of fluky on Monday.

[00:10:36] They got five runs on the board and two of them were earned

[00:10:40] because they benefited off an error and a ball that hit the bag at third.

[00:10:44] And like it was a little luck on Monday.

[00:10:46] They also scored a bunch like a couple runs on a double play and a fielder's choice on Sunday

[00:10:50] against the Giants.

[00:10:51] And then on Friday, Dan Wilson's first game.

[00:10:53] Yeah, they had the big rally in the eighth, but for seven innings,

[00:10:57] this offense is looked as incompetent as ever.

[00:10:59] And they finally strung something together like I'm glad they did.

[00:11:03] But it looked really bad and honestly pretty on par the first seven innings of that Friday game.

[00:11:08] So they need to string together about a week's worth of good offense for me to sit here and be like,

[00:11:13] okay, maybe something's really changing.

[00:11:16] Let's do three weeks.

[00:11:17] I think I want longer than that.

[00:11:19] Sure.

[00:11:20] Three weeks is totally fine.

[00:11:22] A month into next year, into the end of next year actually.

[00:11:24] I'll say that's what I need.

[00:11:27] And approach-wise, yeah, they struck out 66 times in those six games.

[00:11:33] In case you're curious, that is over their season average.

[00:11:37] So Edgar Martinez is great of a hitter as he is did not fix the Mariner strikeout problem

[00:11:42] in one week.

[00:11:43] In case you're curious.

[00:11:45] Now, they did walk 27 times.

[00:11:47] A lot of that came to the fact that the Giants pitchers could not throw strikes.

[00:11:51] And it got correct a little bit against a better pitching staff in the race who only

[00:11:55] walked the Mariners six times.

[00:11:57] But walking has never been, has not been an issue for the Mariners this year.

[00:12:00] They have the fourth highest walk rate in baseball.

[00:12:02] And they don't chase either.

[00:12:04] Fourth lowest chase rate in baseball too.

[00:12:06] The whole concept, Lyle, when they throw it over the plate,

[00:12:10] you swing and you hit the ball.

[00:12:11] That's what the Mariners struggle with the most.

[00:12:13] And again, I don't like one six game sample that we have with Dan Wilson and Edgar Martinez

[00:12:19] in charge of those things.

[00:12:22] Like no, no.

[00:12:24] They hit a couple of home runs.

[00:12:25] That's why they scored some runs.

[00:12:27] We got three yesterday.

[00:12:28] That was fun.

[00:12:29] Julio pulling a ball in the air.

[00:12:32] That's how you score runs.

[00:12:36] So I love Blake's now.

[00:12:37] Seattle guy, huge Seattle sports fan.

[00:12:41] Very relatable.

[00:12:42] I often say I think him and Taylor Sausato are two peas in a pod.

[00:12:45] I think their personalities are actually very similar.

[00:12:48] They're both Seattle guys, huge Seattle sports fans, big gamers, a bunch of things.

[00:12:53] Lefties.

[00:12:54] Lefties.

[00:12:55] However, I think we probably saw a glimpse on Saturday of despite what a lot of people were

[00:13:01] saying us included, we were big vouchers of the Mariners should go get Blake Snell back

[00:13:05] in the off season.

[00:13:06] But we may have seen a little glimpse of why the Mariners shied away from it because he

[00:13:11] has starts like he does on Saturday where for the for a team that preaches dominate the zone

[00:13:16] and pound in the strike zone, especially from their starting pitching, Blake Snell was

[00:13:20] all over the place on Sunday with his pitches or on Saturday.

[00:13:23] He was throwing.

[00:13:23] He was walking a lot of guys.

[00:13:25] Yeah.

[00:13:27] Well, also to the Edgar point, little fun game before we transition.

[00:13:32] Do you know what his career strikeout rate was?

[00:13:35] It's going to make me sad.

[00:13:39] 14 percent.

[00:13:41] You basically got it right on the money at 13.9.

[00:13:44] Yeah.

[00:13:45] That's pretty insane.

[00:13:47] That is.

[00:13:48] Or I'm sorry, sorry.

[00:13:49] 13.9 was oh no, yeah, that's his K rate.

[00:13:52] His career walk rate was 14.8 percent.

[00:13:54] So he was a little one so do wish in that way that a lot of people don't remember

[00:13:57] walked more than he struck out.

[00:13:59] I think Edgar Martinez can have and continue to have like he's tried to do this year.

[00:14:04] A big impact on the Mariners hitting philosophy, especially with two strikes.

[00:14:08] But it's not going to come in the last half of the season where the real damage is going to be

[00:14:12] done is in the off season is when the hitting approach and what I think what the Mariners

[00:14:17] are going to try and communicate to these private hitting coaches and their players

[00:14:20] on what they want to see and how they can avoid doing what they've done this season.

[00:14:25] Because they can't just repeat what they've done.

[00:14:28] Right?

[00:14:29] So like, so that's what it is.

[00:14:31] So like it's been a good week of Mariners baseball.

[00:14:35] It has been a while since you and I could say that a good week of Mariners baseball

[00:14:39] where they played well enough, they fit the ball over the fence,

[00:14:42] they haven't shot themselves in the foot with mistakes and they pitched pretty well.

[00:14:47] So like that's the recipe.

[00:14:49] But now you have three straight series on the road you have.

[00:14:52] I can't do math here.

[00:14:54] 10 game road trip coming up.

[00:14:56] Angels is Cardinals.

[00:14:59] This is where the damage has to be done.

[00:15:02] You've not been as good on the road.

[00:15:04] You're I think 10 games under 500 on the road.

[00:15:07] You got to play better on the road.

[00:15:08] You have to win all three of these series.

[00:15:11] If we're going by what we talked about last week, we're counting off wins

[00:15:15] till essentially you and I eliminate them.

[00:15:18] What are they at right now?

[00:15:20] Six.

[00:15:21] About give or take?

[00:15:23] Six wins.

[00:15:25] Against say that one more time.

[00:15:26] Sorry, six losses the rest of the season.

[00:15:30] Oh for our 90 win mark.

[00:15:32] Yeah.

[00:15:33] Six or seven.

[00:15:35] Yeah.

[00:15:36] Also I hate to say it and this sounds asinine to even say but I think it's true.

[00:15:42] That A series isn't going to be a breeze.

[00:15:45] The A's by some miracle are actually playing half decent ball.

[00:15:50] Yeah.

[00:15:50] Dude Lawrence Butler had another three-dinger game today.

[00:15:53] Yep.

[00:15:54] Their offense all of a sudden can hit.

[00:15:57] Lawrence Butler, obviously we all know about Brent Rooker.

[00:15:59] We've got a few guys in that lineup that are really swinging it.

[00:16:02] Yeah, they're staffing baseball.

[00:16:03] It's really good at home but not as good on the road.

[00:16:05] Oh.

[00:16:07] Uh oh.

[00:16:08] Uh oh.

[00:16:08] Uh oh.

[00:16:09] Did I say that?

[00:16:10] Who said that?

[00:16:13] I mean.

[00:16:13] Oh maybe it was a maybe it was a ghost.

[00:16:17] I would like to remind everyone before we get to our positive segment.

[00:16:20] I also believe Law has something to read before we get to that

[00:16:22] but we are filling in on 710 again on Monday.

[00:16:26] Labor Day.

[00:16:27] We will be on we're still trying to confirm exactly how many hours we're going to be on the radio

[00:16:31] but we will be filling in for Brock and Salk on Monday morning either 6 to 10 or 7 to 10

[00:16:36] but we got to clear that up.

[00:16:38] Third time's a charm dog.

[00:16:39] Got a while of people.

[00:16:41] You have to wow the people.

[00:16:43] You're going to be able to wow them sitting in your room this time

[00:16:45] so for those who don't know the first couple times TJ and I were both in person

[00:16:48] and doing it from the studio.

[00:16:50] I'll be in the studio Monday but since football season's in swing now down in Corvallis and

[00:16:56] TJ is a very busy person the best way we decided for it to work out is he's going to do it remotely.

[00:17:02] So you're going to wow people from inside your apartment?

[00:17:04] So I'm going to take a guess and I think I'm right.

[00:17:08] This is going to be the first ever broadcast on 710 from Flowmouth Oregon.

[00:17:14] I will confidently say that.

[00:17:16] Do you think there's been anyone else who's done that?

[00:17:19] I couldn't tell you one other person ever that's lived in Flowmouth Oregon so sure.

[00:17:24] Okay well there we go.

[00:17:26] I hang the plaque.

[00:17:28] I would say that's a safe bet but yeah no it's going to be fun.

[00:17:32] Obviously we'll have a bunch of Mariner stuff to talk about.

[00:17:35] We might rehash some of that stuff from what we talked about with Divish on Wednesday's pod

[00:17:39] which by the way has just been a firestorm on Twitter.

[00:17:43] Let's spend a couple minutes on that.

[00:17:45] Okay.

[00:17:45] Holy hell.

[00:17:47] Okay to wrap up the Brock and Tawk thing really fast.

[00:17:52] We're really looking forward to it.

[00:17:54] Obviously we appreciate it a ton.

[00:17:57] We're really excited about it.

[00:17:58] Stuff we certainly don't ever ever take for granted and hopefully if you guys have some

[00:18:03] time on Labor Day you'll tune in and you'll send us some phone calls or texts and

[00:18:09] share us your thoughts all that good stuff but yeah like you said there are times of

[00:18:13] charm we're really excited about it and we can't wait if you can't make it to tune in live

[00:18:18] podcast will be out too so anyway yeah we will probably rehash some of this stuff from Wednesday

[00:18:23] with Divish and now to spend a minute or two on this wow it can so when we listen to Divish say

[00:18:29] this stuff on Wednesday if you listen to the second part of that podcast you hear the two of us

[00:18:33] just basically ranning and raging for good reason because while obviously like Divish is such a

[00:18:41] great podcast guest and is so transparent and does not shy away from sharing information which we

[00:18:45] appreciate a ton and he gives fans a real glimpse behind the curtains us included that was not

[00:18:50] anything that I wanted to hear like I didn't want to hear a single bit of that I'm glad he

[00:18:55] shared it with us but as a fan I don't want to hear that stuff we're running and raging about

[00:18:59] it I figured well people might take notice of this and boy people did.

[00:19:04] Yeah like I thought it would be interesting but you and I had him on to talk about Scott

[00:19:08] Service and it's like oh well I had like a couple questions at the end to sort of complete the

[00:19:14] circle so then we check in here on Thursday and that interview in the span of a little of 36 hours

[00:19:21] made it on 710 KJR lockdown Mariners, Mariner Mojo what else am I missing it literally lit

[00:19:29] Mariners Twitter on fire yesterday I want to shout out to all you guys all of our first

[00:19:34] time listeners holy crap we had we got about a 40% bump in listens yesterday thank you so much

[00:19:41] because wow I mean it literally traversed all facets of Seattle media yesterday that was crazy

[00:19:52] I mean are the like the tweets surrounding that interview all encompassing I mean there were

[00:20:01] some tweets that blew up about it I like we might we might be approaching like a couple million

[00:20:07] Twitter impressions and just views on content centered around an interview we did because

[00:20:12] man again people were pissed seeing that on Wednesday and so are we again like you listen to the

[00:20:19] second part of the podcast the two of us were pissed hearing that the Mariners could

[00:20:23] be thinking like that now let's let's put an emphasis on that there is no saying this

[00:20:29] is going to happen this is Divis saying like it's possible like it may be something they entertain

[00:20:34] doesn't mean it's a foregone conclusion so let's let's not let's not sit there and say it's happening

[00:20:39] because again I sometimes on Twitter people take things a little out of a lit like stretch the

[00:20:44] truth a little bit a little out of proportion but even hearing that it's a possibility yeah

[00:20:50] of course we're pissed hearing that and a lot of people other work like a lot of people were

[00:20:53] too but we also had 72 hours after the from when we recorded that interview with Divis until when it

[00:20:59] was released to sort of process the information and then it gets dumped on to everyone's plate on

[00:21:05] Wednesday and it goes it's like a match in a dry forest I will Mariners Mariners are going to

[00:21:13] blow a 10 game lead 10 game lead in record time Lucid Division to the Astros again for the

[00:21:18] what eighth eighth consecutive year they're going to trade their Sayang frontrunner and the guy

[00:21:23] they just traded a bunch for at the trade deadline on an effort to what make all the fans happy and

[00:21:31] show up for fireworks and bobbleheads oh my goodness dude yeah so uh Brian Davis is the best he is

[00:21:43] and honestly I have to say to take a page out of his book because he used this as an analogy

[00:21:48] when everything in the offseason was going down about all the rsn stuff and people freaking

[00:21:53] out about that I'll use his analogy from back then to this it was like lord of the flies

[00:22:02] I mean we have we have people in our comments if it's even true I don't know because again people

[00:22:10] can say anything in YouTube comments or social media comments there's people in there I've been

[00:22:14] a fan for 40 years and today I just canceled my season ticket just because what the beat writer said

[00:22:24] yeah uh yeah that really like we'll have some takes every now and then clips of ours things

[00:22:33] will say interviews will do that they get out there but man this one this one really made its

[00:22:38] rounds you know how we floated the idea to divish that for one of his tweets he should

[00:22:41] turn off replies yeah so he should break the logan gilbert trade and then turn off the replies

[00:22:48] and then retire that would actually that would actually be hilarious it's like it's like sources

[00:22:57] telling me logan gilbert being traded for x x amount of players also this is my last tweet

[00:23:04] is the mariners beat writer i'm retired with a picture of the crown royal bottle

[00:23:12] just all in one tweet all in one tweet it's like i'm out this is it's the um it's the whole john

[00:23:21] snow thing and now my watch has ended divas just leaves with a bang like that or like the

[00:23:25] march on tweet where he hung his cleats up it would be like the march on tweet hanging up the

[00:23:30] cleats and along and not a long time ago back in april or may when we had divish on the podcast

[00:23:34] then we were telling him you should just post the picture of an empty crown bottle as you're

[00:23:38] see a tweet the way march on did with the cleats that's what we were telling him but i'm thinking of

[00:23:43] like if he does that paired with breaking the news about a trade that's going to set the fan base

[00:23:48] on fire he really does the whole john snow thing and now my watch has ended he just absolutely

[00:23:54] leaves with a bang so he breaks it and then everyone's like scrambling to get him on to

[00:23:58] talk about it and he's like i'm retired now i like the only thing i'll be doing is drinking way too

[00:24:05] much crown in montana and gambling yeah work at a bar yeah well unless of course he decides to

[00:24:13] end up being the mariners vp of common sense like he suggested yeah i know he said he likes

[00:24:19] consulting work you know i mariners people if you're listening to this like he's a great guy to

[00:24:25] have he is and as divish said he's got a really good pulse on the fan base he's got a pretty good

[00:24:31] worldview all that stuff like he knows how things are perceived so as he said to like paid consulting

[00:24:38] is basically the easiest and most bs work of all time so absolutely he'd do it it'd be like

[00:24:42] so ryan it's like somebody from the mariners texum we're planning to um make another firing

[00:24:50] today and we were thinking that we're actually going to leak it to social media first again can you

[00:24:56] give us your intake on this and divish is like let me let me give you my two cents no now pay me my

[00:25:04] five thousand dollars like and and there is your vp of common sense what a guy but they wouldn't even

[00:25:14] get to that point they'd be like ryan we're thinking of firing someone to no but no however

[00:25:22] it's like let me just stop you right there however you think is the right way to handle it you're wrong

[00:25:28] you know why i know that because you have proven time and time and time again

[00:25:33] that you cannot execute this the right way so let me tell you how to actually do it

[00:25:39] and as the vp of common sense here's what you do now pay me my money god we're gonna miss him so

[00:25:46] much i know i don't like make him sign a contract so he at least doesn't retire for another

[00:25:51] like five years i know that's the thing that's like we we really have no idea how much longer he's

[00:25:58] going to keep doing it because he always says he's year to year every year it could be this winner it

[00:26:03] probably won't be he probably not going to retire as soon as this winner or anything like that but

[00:26:07] it could be then it could be in eight years it could be in three years like like i don't know

[00:26:12] he keeps people on their toes with that and like listen at adam's awesome adam jude who's

[00:26:19] you know we've gotten to know is incredibly good at his job really fun to talk to we've had him on

[00:26:24] this podcast but as good as he'd be at the job and he filled the shoes very very well they're just

[00:26:30] there is no ryan divish i know you know half of me thinks that he like sneakily doesn't want to do

[00:26:36] it i well you know i'm sure he plays up the twitter bit a little bit of course like like

[00:26:41] you know everybody does everybody plays up their character a little bit when they're

[00:26:45] online or or whatever so like i'm sure there's a part of him that you know he's he's connected

[00:26:52] to montana and that's where most of his roots are so like i'm sure he'd be happy like being their

[00:26:57] long term but yeah like deep down he enjoys the job of course he does he just likes to act like he

[00:27:02] doesn't yeah that's true yeah okay quick pause before we get to finally a positive segment on this

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[00:27:58] miller and brian lou we have kicked this segment down the roads so far now because it feels like

[00:28:04] every time we want to talk about these guys breaking news comes up the randy trade happens

[00:28:09] it's got service firing happens there's all these things going on and on the mirrors have an awful

[00:28:14] road trip where it's like nobody's gonna want to hear about a positive story because that's not the

[00:28:18] main story but finally we can highlight these dudes because they deserve it man they have been

[00:28:25] awesome all year in the second half and when we said they had to take a step forward in the

[00:28:31] latter half of the season for the mariners to have a chance they've done that let me put this into

[00:28:36] context a little bit regarding how they've stepped forward versus the mariners rotation i think

[00:28:43] brice miller and brian will have taken big step bigger steps forward in year two then the other two

[00:28:50] mariners developed arms in this rotation and logan gilbert and george kirby

[00:28:55] in terms of improvement i think they've improved more than those two did in their years one

[00:29:00] to two that's that like that's really what we're talking about and i think no one epitomizes that

[00:29:06] more than i'd say like brice does like brice had a lot to work on last year but he's turned it around

[00:29:12] this year and he has been underratedly one of the best pitchers in the american league come in

[00:29:18] here down the stretch so let's let's put a little bit more context behind this you and i highlighted

[00:29:24] the last time we hosted brock brockensoch that brice miller and brian would had to pitch better

[00:29:29] down the stretch for mariners to have a chance at the playoffs well they've been one of the main

[00:29:34] reasons why the mariners still have a chance at the playoffs listen to these august stats for these two

[00:29:40] brice is running out a 222 e r a in a little over 28 innings in august 34 strikeouts to just

[00:29:47] four walks 175 206 330 slash line now brian will has a 159 e r a in the month of august 34 innings

[00:29:57] 31 strikeouts three walks in a 164 190 238 slash line it's pretty insane for guys who i mean at

[00:30:09] this time of year could be running into a wall or peeking actually so let's put that into even a

[00:30:16] little bit more context you said brice miller's august e r a is 222 in july it was 180 in other

[00:30:22] words he's had an unreal second half his second half e r a last year was 460 460 now brian will

[00:30:31] his second half e r a 165 right now 165 his second half e r a last year 458 so you're talking about two

[00:30:42] guys that have gone from essentially four six e r a is in the second half in their rookie year to

[00:30:50] basically both close to sub two who's below two brice is right about there that that's pretty

[00:30:57] remarkable for year one and year two development for two guys that were in high draft picks we

[00:31:04] talked about the fact last year brice miller just isn't going to be able to get away with two

[00:31:08] pitches for much longer we said about this time last year he has to add something in the off

[00:31:12] season well he did and we can get to that but just talking about the lack of hitting the

[00:31:18] wall for each of these guys now in year two it's been it's been the biggest difference maker in this

[00:31:24] rotation really just like they've been the two most consistent guys here in the second half

[00:31:31] in this rotation which it's crazy to think about in that case so let i want to go one pitch

[00:31:36] one pitch by one pitch or so we get to each guy give each guy a proper amount of time

[00:31:42] i didn't even realize this looking at brice's savant page he's up to throwing seven pitches

[00:31:46] now on the season he threw seven pitches in his last start and i saw a little this highlighted

[00:31:51] online and i was digging into it a little more and i agree with this sentiment is that

[00:31:55] brice miller's last start which he made on monday let me make it on monday or tuesday

[00:32:00] which whichever day against the rays it was struck out 10 over seven innings seven shut up no

[00:32:06] seven with a allowed one run through just 91 pitches so the efficiency was there as well

[00:32:11] he threw all seven of his pitches in that start and was able to get out pitches on his fastball

[00:32:20] his splitter and his knuckle curve and his knuckle curve case you're not familiar he added that pitch

[00:32:25] and has thrown it a lot more over the last two months and it's really helped him out to sort of

[00:32:30] balance having an outpitch versus righties versus having versus lefties because brice's

[00:32:36] combo against lefties is fastball splitter his combo against righties is fastball knuckle ball and

[00:32:43] that's big we thought the splitter would be sort of a buy out pitch like he could get both righties

[00:32:49] and lefties out on that pitch without really much of an issue but once adding the knuckle curve

[00:32:55] and making the the adjustment to his splitter that he did where he said he wanted to instead

[00:32:59] of letting it sort of float arm side he was going to bring it back over the plate and just try

[00:33:04] throw it right at that bottom rung in the strike zone it has paid immense dividends for

[00:33:10] brice miller and he looks all of a sudden like one of the most complete pitchers in this rotation

[00:33:15] in terms of everything he offers his only thing is pitching on the road which is why lio this

[00:33:22] upcoming road trip is so huge for brice he's got two road starts coming up on this 10 game

[00:33:26] road trip so he's got to go out there and i'm hoping based on some of these tweaks he's made

[00:33:31] here in the second half with the knuckle curve and the splitter that he goes out there and he

[00:33:35] pitches much better on the road because eventually someone is going to need to defeat this narrative

[00:33:40] that this pitching staff can't pitch outside of team oval park because the numbers suggest

[00:33:46] something otherwise if you actually look at it starter by starter there are a couple guys

[00:33:51] that can pitch well on the road in this rotation who pitches pretty well on the road

[00:33:56] i believe logon pitches pretty well on the road yet i think i think kirby and brice are the two that

[00:34:04] really struggle away from team oval i can double check that here while we're while we're talking

[00:34:09] but i believe it's those two that really struggle and it's logon and brian that have had some success

[00:34:15] but yes brice miller specifically it's been pretty well highlighted his career e r a inside team

[00:34:21] oval park is 279 and on the road it's 495 it's it's a pretty drastic difference

[00:34:27] brice miller is not a perfect pitcher yet i don't know if the perfect pitcher even exists but

[00:34:32] brice miller is not totally there yet again he still has to pitch better on the road

[00:34:36] he's still getting hit pretty hard but you know what logon gilbert got hit pretty hard early

[00:34:40] on in his career and then eventually started to figure it out a little betty he cut he cut

[00:34:47] now similar to logon brice may just give up home runs in his career it may just be a part of his game

[00:34:51] with his fastball usage but that doesn't mean his hard hit rate can't go down over time so

[00:34:57] there are things where brice miller to still improve on his time goes on but for guy that's in

[00:35:01] year two it's been pretty remarkable what he's been able to do and now the next step to your

[00:35:06] point is can he go out on the road and look like he has looked at home because if he can

[00:35:12] especially during this stretch where they need every win they can get it's going to be another

[00:35:16] telling sign how about this rotation and their ability to just not walk guys like brice early in

[00:35:23] the season walked a ton of batters uh in 53 and a third innings here in the last two months he's

[00:35:30] walked five batters it's like him and him and woo have essentially just quit on walking batters

[00:35:36] it's pretty crazy the ability to like brice filled up the zone pretty well last year too but

[00:35:41] now he's doing it while getting uh having a more efficient swing and miss profile as well

[00:35:47] which is right man it's impressive and it leads to a couple of things that like are just

[00:35:54] like like something you wouldn't if you're not a mariner fan you might not know this

[00:35:58] brice miller is fourth in major league baseball and whip in all of baseball it's

[00:36:04] it goes logan gilbert first tyler glass now second terrick scuba third so three pretty good

[00:36:11] pitchers and then brice miller is fourth of that group the newest base runner earned base runners

[00:36:17] allowed per inning essentially is what whip is but here's the other just one that might

[00:36:22] just go over your head he has the most starts in baseball six shutout wow you wouldn't think

[00:36:30] that no you would think somebody like logan would just simply have more but it's price miller

[00:36:37] it's pretty good in fact it's really good man like and there are so many things he's

[00:36:44] he's really taken steps forward with this year i mean in addition to everything we've already

[00:36:48] mentioned to focus in on a splitter a little bit more let's say this again how many times

[00:36:53] did we harp on in the second half of last year look brice miller isn't just going to add a

[00:36:58] pitch mid season you can't do it nobody can for the most part this off season he's probably

[00:37:05] going to need to devote time to finding a third pitch he did well now he has seven but the real

[00:37:10] third pitch is this splitter what has it done this year well opponents are hitting 165 against it

[00:37:18] they're slugging 256 and the expected batting average on it 192 so brice miller in one off

[00:37:27] season has said look i have the two pitches i've got to find something else i have to find something

[00:37:35] to neutralize lefties and keep guys a little more off balance because i just can't throw this many

[00:37:40] fastballs well he's found it it's been an awesome pitch the run value speaks for itself on it too

[00:37:48] and guys don't hit it so shout out to you brice miller because clearly clearly you had a plan

[00:37:53] for this off season you attacked it and it's working because now your ops against lefties

[00:37:59] once upon a time it was over 900 a year ago for the season over 900 and that was a narrative

[00:38:07] around brice miller is is you can't you just can't do that in like in year two it's it's too drastic

[00:38:14] well lefties have started to hit him a little bit harder as of late but overall for the year his

[00:38:20] ops against lefties 699 he is totally neutralized lefties and that mark is perfectly reasonable

[00:38:28] manageable i'd even call it a pretty good mark for the most part he is not letting lefties destroy

[00:38:33] him anymore right he still don't hit him at all their ops is 500 but he has really kept lefties

[00:38:39] in check this year and a lot of that has to do with the splitter usage here's the last note

[00:38:44] on brice miller and i want everyone to keep this in mind when you watch him here over the final

[00:38:48] month this season he is now officially in uncharted territory innings wise he is a third of an inning

[00:38:55] past his mark from last season so every out he gets from here on out is a mark he has yet to cross

[00:39:03] in his life innings count wise so just keep that in mind there could be a wall here for

[00:39:08] brice miller in terms of durability i hope there's not the mariners playoff hopes can

[00:39:14] like hinge on him not hitting a wall it would certainly help a lot because the pitching is what

[00:39:20] is carrying this team but i just want people to keep that in mind as brice goes into this month now

[00:39:26] for the next guy lile that's not going to be the case he could have a month similar to what he

[00:39:31] just had and then he would just reach his mark from last season right and that would be brian

[00:39:37] wu 20 seconds before we get to wu just to answer the question about pitcher by pitcher in terms

[00:39:43] of road e r a so logon and curbie actually have both been at about mid ground now given how their last

[00:39:49] couple of starts have each gone on the road so logons road e r a is now 381 for the year and

[00:39:54] curbies is 392 so yeah paired with brice miller is being close to five this rotation as a whole

[00:40:00] just has to pitch better on the road it's great you pitch well at home but it's got to be a

[00:40:04] little bit better than that on the road especially in this final month anyway brian wu

[00:40:09] has pitched amazing on the road but to look at him as a whole again we talked about it just a

[00:40:15] couple minutes ago a year ago his second half e r a was 458 now it sits at 165 where do you want to

[00:40:23] start with this guy i mean you know i love watching brian wu he's my favorite guy in the rotation

[00:40:27] to watch pitch where do we even want to start do you honestly can we just start with the walks

[00:40:33] the fact he is actually walking less batters than george curbie the fact he is legitimately

[00:40:39] for the guy who's been tabbed as the king of not walking guys the king of command and george curbie

[00:40:45] brian wu for a guy that actually walked a fair amount of hitters a year ago

[00:40:49] now has just decided i don't walk anybody anymore he's in the 99th percentile of the league

[00:40:55] in walk rate it's crazy where i actually wanted to start is where i say that was wrong oh you

[00:41:04] were wrong he could start game three wow it's like music to the ears it's almost like i know ball

[00:41:12] as as what's his name is as roman would say acknowledge me so the walks are incredible i got

[00:41:22] a right oh yeah i deserve a round of applause especially after the fact you dropped an f bomb

[00:41:32] on me the first time i dropped that take saying i was crazy and then a bunch of people online said

[00:41:37] the same thing yeah i do deserve my flowers on this well but i'm glad to pat yourself on the back

[00:41:44] and buy yourself a gold medal or something that sounds like congratulations i will pat myself on

[00:41:49] the back anyway go ahead so the walks are pretty insane um it's also like i just can't get over his

[00:41:57] fastballs just can't it's like this physically should not be possible what he's doing with his

[00:42:04] fastballs throws his two fastballs 75 percent of the time and the combined slugs under like

[00:42:10] under 300 that's insane when we highlighted when louis castillo first got here and we

[00:42:17] highlighted his insane fastball usage he was not throwing it 75 percent of the time you know when

[00:42:24] you throw a pitch 75 percent of the time the hitter usually has a pretty good idea of what's coming

[00:42:29] and you still can't hit it you can't do any damage on that pitch that's pretty insane

[00:42:34] we talked about his whip numbers he would be first in baseball and whip if he was qualified

[00:42:39] and the Mariners would have three of the top five starters in baseball

[00:42:43] ball when it comes to walks and hits parading speech which i think is insane but there's just

[00:42:51] no better indict like no better success story of the Mariners pitching development than there

[00:42:57] is a brian we're like it just continues to amaze like what they have managed to find with some

[00:43:04] of this scouting and the development within their organization like brian was not good in college

[00:43:10] he was not good not a good pitcher he would you know as a this isn't a compliment for brian

[00:43:16] will but lau will get this joke he would have fit right in on the asg baseball pitching staff in college

[00:43:22] you didn't perfect but brian was come to the big leagues and he has been unbelievable

[00:43:27] and the biggest knock on him and the reason i refuse to say he should start game through

[00:43:31] like well he doesn't pitch deep enough into games well he just pitched the most innings he

[00:43:36] has in august of any month of his career in 34 innings he has pitched into the seventh inning

[00:43:41] in each of his last five starts right after i said that he does that so he's essentially going like

[00:43:49] this to me yeah yeah you were looking down like so i needed to make sure you're doing it in case

[00:43:57] you're just listening i was uh flipping lile the double bird and moving up and down yes so

[00:44:02] that's what brian will thinks about me saying he can't pitch deep into games

[00:44:06] yeah blake snel guess what you guys are familiar with the blake snel quote where he's like

[00:44:10] don't doubt me about pitching deep into games so that was brian will to the marine layer

[00:44:14] podcast or half of them a half of the pod oh yeah oh it's half some people on this podcast said

[00:44:21] i want brian was starting game three no matter what and like i said i'm getting my flowers now

[00:44:28] you know what i actually want to circle back to because to your point yeah brian will

[00:44:32] cal poly product had tommy john surgery in college sixth round pick college numbers were not great

[00:44:38] he was mostly a reliever honestly in college but clearly the mariners loved his stuff and for good

[00:44:46] reason you don't want to circle back to here for a second so trend blank who is on the mariners

[00:44:53] pitching staff on the big league staff he said that what's his technical role major league

[00:44:58] pitching coordinator is that what it is here that sounds right he is yeah um director of

[00:45:12] pitching strategy i think that's what it is okay close enough anyway so anyway he said at one point

[00:45:21] goldie erin goldsmith brought this up on a broadcast last year he said that when they were

[00:45:26] scouting brian will and doing everything for the draft back in 2021 their whole evaluation

[00:45:31] process apparently trend blank liked brian will so much he would have taken him with the number

[00:45:37] one pick in the draft despite the awful numbers he had in college and i'm the reason i was looking

[00:45:41] away when you were given me and everybody the double bird is because i wanted to check

[00:45:45] something here the 2021 draft i'm looking at the first round all of a sudden and i'm sitting

[00:45:51] here saying does trend does trend blank actually know ball and obviously he knows ball because

[00:45:56] he's great at his job and is a huge reason this rotation that was hendry davis right so let let's

[00:46:02] go down the list really quick here here's some of the high end first round pitchers in that draft

[00:46:07] jack leiter went to well we know how that's gone so far yeah jackson jobh went three now his

[00:46:13] upside is actually supposed to be very good we'll see what he does as a big leaguer but he

[00:46:17] has not pitched in the big leagues yet so we'll see frank mozicato went seven to the royals

[00:46:22] he's been awful in the minor leagues you keep going down the list sam bachman at nine to the angels

[00:46:28] in a classic angels pick the guy's now a reliever and he's not even a very good reliever kumar rocker

[00:46:34] went 10 to the mets he is not a new york met he didn't even sign and he's still not in the big

[00:46:40] leagues with the with the rangers either andrew painter went 13 again his his upside's good

[00:46:46] but he hasn't pitched in the big leagues yet obviously his ceiling is very very high

[00:46:50] and he has a chance to be really good with the fillies but we'll see will bednar goes 14

[00:46:55] keep going down in this draft michael mcgrievey goes 18 gunner hoaglin goes 19 jordan wicks

[00:47:02] goes 21 he hasn't been great in the big leagues so far gavin williams goes 23 now he's been

[00:47:06] pretty good for the guardians but ryan kusik goes 24 chase petty went 26 maddox bruns goes

[00:47:14] 29 to the dodgers the point of this is i don't think you can definitively say any of those

[00:47:20] guys have been better than brian will honestly like i'll just put my stamp on it none of those guys

[00:47:26] have been better than brian waspin especially with what he's done this year so that all goes back

[00:47:32] to the point now would it have looked absolutely crazy at the time to see brian will go in the

[00:47:37] top five of the draft not that the mariners had a top five pick but still the mirrors have

[00:47:42] taken brian will in that first round at 14 over harry ford or 12 i'm sorry over harry ford

[00:47:48] feel would have been like what is going on but they clearly saw something they clearly love something

[00:47:55] they got them at great value and now i mean his upside is just so insane so insane so again

[00:48:05] i'm sure that story was supposed to be a little bit of an exaggeration because obviously in

[00:48:11] when it all came down to it scott hunter the entire draft team jerry justin did not

[00:48:15] say we're taking brian will in the first round but point is this mariners pitching group looked at

[00:48:21] them said oh yeah we've got something here and they were absolutely right so what about him

[00:48:27] though in august what like what has allowed him to continue to take this step lelks the the

[00:48:33] story's great but in reality you know it's the combination of those two fastballs but we

[00:48:39] we talked a little bit similar to brice that he needed a second pitch and

[00:48:43] he had his change up he threw it 4 percent of the time last season and it's been up and down usage wise

[00:48:50] this year he so it's interesting brian was two best months of the year was the first month he came

[00:48:56] back in may that's the first month he was back and then in august those were his two best pitch

[00:49:00] month of the pitch shit two best era months of the year uh any coincident coincidence or not

[00:49:09] it was the two months he threw his change up the most so he threw it 9 percent in may he threw it 12

[00:49:15] percent in august which is the highest percent he's ever thrown his change up in a month and it's

[00:49:22] important because we talk about neutralizing lefties and brian was struggled with lefties last year

[00:49:29] when he gets a chance to throw that pitch more like it is very effective he showed it allowed

[00:49:35] just a 195 slug on that pitch run values 3 and it's it's a pitch he almost exclusively throws to

[00:49:43] lefties 23 percent of the time so if you match up the percentages it's 75 percent fastball 23

[00:49:49] percent change up to lefties it works out and worked out right and it's been it's effective

[00:49:55] for him it's that it's that third pitch that you know righties can't do anything on his

[00:50:00] fastball lefties have a better better chance against it that's why he needs the change

[00:50:04] up so it's good it's good to see that pitch coming in along uh coming along i'm curious if he throws

[00:50:09] a little bit more than that but it's good development lefties don't have that much better a chance you

[00:50:15] want to talk about the obs is again brian woo after getting crushed by lefties last year another

[00:50:20] guy who had a 900 ops facing lefties 517 opponents left-handed batters putting up a 517 ops

[00:50:28] against brian woo righties are putting up a 418 ops so yes by by technical definition

[00:50:34] lefties have a better chance but yeah this guy this guy is insane and and the change-up usage

[00:50:39] uses is so crucial because as great as those fastballs are at some point yeah you still need

[00:50:47] the third pitch and he didn't throw that change-up much last year he threw it less than four

[00:50:51] percent of the time and when he was throwing it it it wasn't all that effective now all of a

[00:50:56] it's much closer to the 10 percent range and it's very effective i mean i i still think one of his

[00:51:04] breaking balls at some point in time here also has a chance to be a really good pitch because the

[00:51:08] actual pure shape and stuff of it is really good i was reading an article last year and over the

[00:51:14] winter too i went back and read it on picture list just about how unique brian woo is so come

[00:51:21] year three maybe one of his breaking balls also has the chance to take a real step forward

[00:51:25] because he's so early on in his career he hasn't even come close to 200 big league innings yet

[00:51:31] so he's got so much time ahead of him and this is what he's already done it's pretty wild super

[00:51:37] exciting the mariners are very appreciative of of these performances uh here in august because

[00:51:45] logan gilbert and george kirby have had their bumps this month so of louis castillo these two

[00:51:50] it's been steady let me make one more point because for those who didn't hear cal raleigh

[00:51:57] went on mucky betz's podcast recently and they actually spent some time talking about brian woo

[00:52:02] and mucky betz future hall of famer mucky betz slam dunk hall of famer is sitting there talking

[00:52:09] about brian woo and he's like that guy is nasty betz is sitting there saying you're looking at his

[00:52:16] fastball it's there it's there it's there and then all of a sudden it isn't it just isn't there

[00:52:21] that's basically how mucky described it it moves like crazy and cal said he has a chance to be

[00:52:27] really really special and kind of like i know i've talked more about the stories here than

[00:52:31] the numbers of woo and you spend some time on the numbers but cal was talking about how when

[00:52:35] woo kind of had that bump in the road middle of the year where he kept having these minor

[00:52:41] injuries flare up on them they talked about cal said like this has been written about i believe

[00:52:47] cal talked about it on the podcast a little bit that they sat and had a very real conversation about

[00:52:52] i think your preparation as a big leaguer it has been good so far but it it's got to change a

[00:52:58] little bit you got to be willing to adapt a little bit because it can be even better

[00:53:03] and as a big leaguer you just have to get used to adapting and changing

[00:53:07] some of your routines in order to continue finding success and as we all know cal has the

[00:53:13] utmost respect of not just everybody on the team but certainly everybody in the rotation

[00:53:17] woo took that seriously and since that time that is right when he started going on this stretch of

[00:53:24] going over six innings seven innings etc and just dominating opponents it's it's made a big

[00:53:31] difference so shout out to cal raleigh and all this too but brian lose acceptance of understanding

[00:53:39] he needs to change some things and develop like changes routine and process a little bit more

[00:53:44] just another thing that's helped him take a step forward so pretty cool yeah pretty cool indeed

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[00:55:16] lau who are you going to highlight today we even talked about ty p to tun this year

[00:55:20] and when you look at the basic numbers sure he's not he isn't lighting the world on fire in modesto

[00:55:29] but quietly he's had a pretty nice year and for a guy that just turned 19 years old and was playing

[00:55:36] in a league that usually features some older players and is you know he was certainly one of

[00:55:41] the youngest players in the league he certainly was last year when he got there but on the year

[00:55:46] he's stolen 41 bases which just speaks to his speed and athleticism

[00:55:50] he's got 22 doubles he's got 36 extra base hits and is look his ops again it's it's not crazy

[00:55:58] through the roof it's at about the 7 30s but he's had streaks at times at times of the year

[00:56:03] where he's been hot and now he's actually starting to move around and play some different positions

[00:56:08] to give him a little more versatility which he might need with all the infielders that are in

[00:56:11] the system so we just want to find some new guys to talk about here on on the down on the farm

[00:56:16] segment and for ty pete's sake in a lot of ways like it's been a really good year for the guy again

[00:56:23] how many guys in the system are stealing 40 plus bases there's not that many paired with the

[00:56:27] upside that we know ty has in a lot of ways this has been a very very very positive first

[00:56:33] season for him down in modesto because he set a foundation for himself and at being a guy

[00:56:39] that just turned 19 years old you can see where all the upside is he just homered again today

[00:56:45] here on thursday so you're starting to see it and it's it's it's fun to watch him you know have his

[00:56:52] success there seeing the tools we just kind of want to see the bat come around but he's got

[00:56:58] he's got a lot of time a guy i'm going to highlight we've already highlighted this year

[00:57:02] had his struggles in modesto as well for two full seasons before he finally broke out as a

[00:57:09] no rush in the mariner sense not when you're not when you're a first rounder they want they want to get

[00:57:14] it right yeah and again for ty's first full season there's been a lot of positives to take away like

[00:57:20] again sure it can be it can get better i'm sure if you were to ask ty he'd say yeah i'd like to play

[00:57:25] a little bit better but there's also a lot of things that you can take away that are absolutely

[00:57:28] a success for him so obviously he's a friend of this podcast so we're rooting for him and we

[00:57:33] just figured we highlight him here yeah it's cool yeah i'll say it's cool to see the tools

[00:57:37] on display very cool yeah 41 full and basis a lot my guy's michael moralis and the last time we talked

[00:57:45] about mr michael moralis he was still in evryt but now he got the bump up to arkansas he's in the

[00:57:51] rotation he's there with logan evans he's there with brandon garcia and he after having a tough

[00:57:56] start he had allowed multiple earned runs in his first handful starts in double a he's turned

[00:58:02] four starts in in a row where he's allowed a total of four runs which is really really nice to actually

[00:58:09] know five five runs over those starts but his last four starts once getting to double a have been

[00:58:16] i've been really good i mean five innings seven strikeouts one one run allowed his last time

[00:58:22] out six shutout innings seven strikeouts uh second the last time out three starts ago

[00:58:27] it was six innings did give up four hits struck out four but then he had a six innings shutout

[00:58:32] start where he struck out 12 against tulsa that's pretty good like he's a 21 year old working his

[00:58:38] way into double a was in medesto at this time last year struggling he had two his two full seasons

[00:58:45] in medesto after getting drafted where he struggled he had an area near six and an area

[00:58:50] of four and a half and the mariners put him in high a this year and he's turned around

[00:58:55] he's pitched extremely well and is now pitching against guys that are you know a little bit older

[00:59:00] than him at the double a level a little bit more experienced and he's with in the rotation with

[00:59:06] some of those future mariners arms in that rotation it's like it's good to see and it certainly gives

[00:59:12] the stamp of approval of the kind of progress he's made this season you look at the era over

[00:59:17] all in double a it's still in the fours it's not fantastic but recently michael morales

[00:59:22] was pitched really well at double a rotation has gotten really exciting here in the second half

[00:59:27] of the year three of every six games so half the games in a week's time for every arkansas series

[00:59:33] you're looking at three guys in the rotation that are pretty exciting and have a real future in

[00:59:37] this org logon evans brandon garcia michael morales so yeah like there's there's plenty

[00:59:44] of reasons to tune into those arkansas games those these days especially with obviously

[00:59:47] col young's there obviously harry ford's there but you've got some arms that are really worth

[00:59:52] keeping tabs on we'll say that so it's pretty cool shout out my girl pretty exciting mm-hmm well

[01:00:00] ruzel waltz an umpire of the week the man was just named the starter this week by the way in

[01:00:04] pittsburgh wow this might be his last chance if he dude if he fails again he's he's done

[01:00:09] he's done as a starter in the NFL like let me just say that but for the umpire who do we have

[01:00:15] we'll also go to pittsburgh funny enough glad you mentioned that uh so scott buried you've probably

[01:00:21] seen this clip uh was umpire on iron plate it was a blowout game the pirates were trailing the cubs

[01:00:30] he goes like by 11 runs at this point and the pirates called on rowdy teles to pitch now in case

[01:00:38] you're unfamiliar rowdy teles is not a pitcher and he was lobbing balls in there at like 30 to

[01:00:43] 40 miles an hour but scott buried who apparently just wanted to go home here called a pitch that was

[01:00:51] outside by 14 inches of strike do any repeat the number number 14 inches he missed call it a strike

[01:01:02] truly incredible even the announcers who are also probably ready to go home or like

[01:01:07] did he just call it a strike wow incredible so congratulations to scott bury uh the

[01:01:14] worst called strike in umpire auditor the twitter account history congratulations that

[01:01:21] that is unreal lines right up lines right up with russia name the starter this week it was only

[01:01:27] fitting you'd have a call like that you know you really just a little bit up and outside no dk

[01:01:34] mecca out there to catch it for you no no speaking of that not not over the middle that's for

[01:01:40] definitely not let's get to speak your mind speak your mind spoke that would be unwise

[01:01:50] what is necessary is never unwise that we can lead off with that how many starts is it going to take

[01:01:58] for justin field to take over three weeks i'll say less than half the year why on earth would

[01:02:06] they bring justin fields into town a guy who's still in his mid 20s if your plan

[01:02:12] for the long term wasn't to at least see what he can do right they probably saw what he could do

[01:02:22] what's that it's not like justin fields lit the world on fire during training camp

[01:02:27] no but i still feel like the Steelers are likely going to be more intrigued to see what

[01:02:34] he's got long term because if he proves anything then you've kind of got your guy in the building

[01:02:40] moving forward i don't i don't really know what you're getting out of ross at this point

[01:02:44] i don't think he's going back to anything close to what he was going to be here i i mean

[01:02:49] is it going to be what he was in denver who knows but i think mike tomlin just hopes

[01:02:54] there's a little magic left in the bottle of russia wilson i think that's what he hopes i think he

[01:02:59] hopes that whatever's left in there is better than what justin fields offers in his prime because

[01:03:05] both players playing at their peak well we know who's better well yeah so i think that's what

[01:03:11] mike tolin hopes he's going to have a good defense i'm sure they anticipated brain and iuq being

[01:03:15] available but he signed today i think ross would do a lot better if you had brain and iuq on that

[01:03:21] team instead of george pickens and uh jones johnson no he got traded oh you're right

[01:03:32] yeah um so yeah i i'm i'm gonna take a guess that's what it was i'm gonna take a guess uh i would also

[01:03:38] like to take this time and speak your mind to re highlight just the abysmalness of my dynasty

[01:03:42] fantasy quarterback room again i just want to remind some of our new listeners in case you

[01:03:48] ever want to take fantasy football advice go to me last let me tell you what my dynasty

[01:03:53] fantasy quarterback room is so it consists of the pittsburgh steelers current quarterback room

[01:04:01] yes both of them and bryce young nice yeah also the stealer's second receiver is van jefferson

[01:04:12] you're right the ontage johnson's not there anymore that's real yeah i don't know who ross

[01:04:17] nausea is still there right nausea isn't even that good no he's ross is not lasting the whole

[01:04:24] year as a starter now they're probably going to start equal games if i'm going to be honest

[01:04:28] right and again if ross cannot prove he's a proven starter this year i think he is

[01:04:32] basically done as a starter in the nfl which is crazy because three years ago you and i

[01:04:39] would both say he's a hallfamer yeah i don't know if we'd say that anymore nope say that

[01:04:43] yeah crazy wild i have a couple more things first off show his dog was the best thing i've

[01:04:49] ever seen this week that was that was truly incredible show he had his dog decoy run a first pitch to him

[01:04:56] like i thought that was the literally the best thing i've ever seen right well sure yeah wow you

[01:05:04] sound excited all i want to do is serve you that's it man i don't know that could be beg beg to differ

[01:05:15] uh and fly to toronto of course decoy aka a decoy flight to toronto yeah that's funny i feel like he

[01:05:23] did yeah that was on purpose wasn't it could be naming the dog that yeah actually i don't know

[01:05:31] i have no idea just a coincidence damn it my other speaker mind was going to be college football's back

[01:05:37] finally it's good to know uh colorado did win by the way by five it's deon about to pop champagne in

[01:05:45] the locker room after well he's about to go do the gritty on in sean keeler's uh immediate

[01:05:52] seat is that the north deco state head coach no it's the calmness t-band oh yeah

[01:06:04] yeah what a time it really is unbelievable the power trip that college football coaches are

[01:06:09] constantly on it's it's hilarious like they basically say and do whatever they want and

[01:06:16] they just know they can't get punished for it because they're essentially they essentially

[01:06:19] have more power in these college towns than sometimes the mayors do you like i'm like they're

[01:06:24] just like such weird people right is that a good way to describe it yeah college coach

[01:06:28] college football coaches like you need to be a little like off to be a college coach take one

[01:06:36] look at dabo sweeney like we we could sit here and make fun of dabo sweeney forever

[01:06:43] we're not going to do it but we could yeah like if you know what i'll just leave it with this

[01:06:50] if anybody hasn't seen the dabo sweeney tick tock go look it up right now

[01:06:58] it let me and here's what you're looking for it is a lullaby about how dabo sweeney

[01:07:06] is on tick tock and i'll leave it at that you can watch the rest honestly honestly speaking of

[01:07:13] ross wilson who was featured earlier in this segment it i'm not going to say it's mr unlimited level

[01:07:20] of cringe it's not that far off yeah yeah it was pretty bad are there any other no there's

[01:07:30] i would say most every coach has something that's just like yeah weird for sure it's yeah

[01:07:39] so it's back it's back uh and the 12 team playoff still sucks sorry can't believe we're already talking

[01:07:45] about it i guess florida states first game didn't matter at all did it i guess not i mean the nfl

[01:07:52] first games don't always matter that much is it the nfl already most missed it well don't

[01:07:58] we already have a league like that money talks what do you want me to say no you're not wrong on that

[01:08:04] my only speaker mind this week is getting up early it's tough i gotta tell you i have an idea for

[01:08:12] you and before you can even chime in i was gonna say i am open to all suggestions for how to get

[01:08:22] used to it they do not involve drinking caffeine oh sorry i'm not it i'm not a caffeine drinker

[01:08:29] and guess what salk isn't either drink some water yeah water helps you wake up pressure and water

[01:08:36] all right i i yeah water helps sometimes but yeah point being so i'm absolutely loving being on

[01:08:44] rock and talk it's been awesome for all you guys have tuned in so far well both when we host

[01:08:49] obviously but even just you know the regular shows which i'm now a part of like thank you guys it's been

[01:08:54] genuine genuinely has been a ton of fun and every morning day i look forward to going because i really

[01:09:01] do have a blast on the show the toughest part is dragging yourself out of bed so as tj knows

[01:09:07] because we've had to share hotel rooms like when we're at all star week when we've been at spring

[01:09:11] training i f**king speak your mind on this i just i guess it's just how i'm wired i don't know i cannot

[01:09:21] get up on the first alarm honestly it takes like when you get up this early i'm not getting up in the

[01:09:26] first three alarms so i make it a goal to leave it about somewhere between five and five ten

[01:09:32] every morning to get there on time and i'm setting my first alarm at 350 because i need like

[01:09:37] 20 alarms to make sure one i get myself out of bed and two i don't oversleep so that's that's what

[01:09:44] i'm battling with right now like i i want to i do want to harp on everything about the job has

[01:09:50] been a ton of fun and i couldn't be more thrilled that i'm a part of it it's just the getting up

[01:09:56] at the crack of dawn not even the crack of dawn like before 4am it's really hard so i'm open

[01:10:02] to all suggestions that don't involve coffee doesn't get tedious setting 20 alarms all night

[01:10:09] yes every night but you know what would be worse if you set like two and then all of a sudden

[01:10:15] you turn over what you think is 30 to 60 seconds after the second alarm goes off and it's 830

[01:10:21] i have a great suggestion for you ready as soon as that first alarm goes off put your

[01:10:28] feet on the floor it's it's not that easy yes it is i've talked to other people yourself to do it

[01:10:36] i have talked to other people that say the same thing that they just cannot get up on the first

[01:10:40] alarm every routine has to start somewhere well i've got a routine i just make sure i don't

[01:10:49] oversleep i set like 20 alarms i'm telling it staying drowsy for 30 minutes certainly also

[01:10:57] doesn't help you wake up if i was waking up at 6am i honestly don't think i need that many

[01:11:04] alarm may i still need like a couple but it wouldn't be that many it is because i'm i'm losing i'm

[01:11:10] losing sleep a decent amount of the time now because again it's all for good reason because we

[01:11:15] have we absolutely love doing this podcast but sometimes when we do this podcast it leads

[01:11:20] to us staying up a little bit late and then i don't get a lot of sleep so yeah that's that's

[01:11:26] why it's that much harder if i was on more of a regular sleep sleep schedule like i got to bed at

[01:11:32] 10 even 11 honestly even like 11 30 12 and i was getting up at 6 and it was six hours of sleep

[01:11:37] wouldn't be so bad but we're talking there's a lot of days where it's it's three to four

[01:11:43] okay so i actually have a better idea charge your phone across the room

[01:11:50] yeah i could try that so that makes you get up to turn your alarm off right

[01:11:56] but and once you're once you're standing up it's like

[01:12:00] you know can't go back to sleep now no that's not true you could still be you could still be like

[01:12:06] i feel like i'd be so tired i i'd say well i'll sit i'll sit back down like lay back down

[01:12:16] in bed for a couple minutes and then it leads you falling back asleep

[01:12:22] it's it's gonna be it's gonna be a tough time telling you to all start somewhere

[01:12:26] yeah it does well that's not a bad suggestion if other people have suggestions i'll take them as

[01:12:31] long as it doesn't involve again drinking coffee because i don't want to be a caffeine person

[01:12:34] i just don't i just really don't want to rely on caffeine to stay awake and become addicted

[01:12:38] so i'm trying to stay off of it unlike tj who gets headaches small ones yeah well

[01:12:47] still wouldn't trade it for the world lyle well i would so anyway that's that's what my

[01:12:55] speaker mind is this week yeah hard to get up overall though obviously it's been a bunch of fun

[01:13:01] and two of us once again are very very much looking forward to hosting the show on monday here

[01:13:05] on labor day it'll be either 6 a.m to 10 a.m or 7 a.m to 10 a.m we will be on for a minimum

[01:13:11] of three hours just sometimes the holiday schedule differs so tune in hopefully you guys have some

[01:13:18] time to to check it out because we're really looking forward to it we think it's going to be a

[01:13:22] really fun show and we can't wait to get back on the air with you guys so so yeah that's

[01:13:26] that's the last little part of my speaker mind but that'll just about wrap up this edition of

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