Episode 160: Is Jerry Dipoto's Job Safe?

[00:00:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to Episode 160 of the Marine Layer Podcast.

[00:00:04] [SPEAKER_02]: The Mariners are back out on the road and have reverted right back to the status quo.

[00:00:09] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll discuss how the Mariners should handle the rest of the season and how they deal with the aftermath.

[00:00:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Here's your guys reminder before we start this podcast.

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[00:00:54] [SPEAKER_02]: And we welcome you to this episode of the Marin Layer Podcast Part of the Just Facebook podcast network.

[00:01:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Recording here on Labor Day, evening, Monday, September, second,

[00:01:04] [SPEAKER_02]: while I want to give us a little bit of a round of applause.

[00:01:08] [SPEAKER_02]: We're seeing here today on a Monday recording our fifth hour of Mariners talk today.

[00:01:13] [SPEAKER_02]: How about that?

[00:01:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Our fifth, sorry, not of Mariners, so sports talk today.

[00:01:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Look at us five hours.

[00:01:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Round of applause for the gentleman here.

[00:01:23] Woo!

[00:01:24] [SPEAKER_02]: You're okay.

[00:01:24] [SPEAKER_02]: The cheers are done.

[00:01:27] [SPEAKER_01]: You're giving yourself a real nice pat on the back.

[00:01:29] [SPEAKER_01]: You're really kind of glowing yourself up here.

[00:01:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I wanted to have one positive moment of this podcast.

[00:01:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I say, I say, I say, I say.

[00:01:38] [SPEAKER_02]: So smile, say, why we did such a good job today.

[00:01:42] [SPEAKER_02]: That was great.

[00:01:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Everyone should go check out the Brock and Salt Podcast from Monday,

[00:01:47] [SPEAKER_02]: the second and take a listen to us.

[00:01:48] [SPEAKER_02]: We brought up some very good subjects.

[00:01:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Go listen, go check it out after you listen to this episode.

[00:01:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Or maybe we didn't absolutely a trotist job.

[00:01:58] [SPEAKER_01]: That's for our fans and our listeners to decide.

[00:02:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I'd like to think we had a fun show.

[00:02:04] [SPEAKER_01]: TJ sitting here definitively saying, yeah, we had a great show definitively.

[00:02:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to leave it up to you guys.

[00:02:09] [SPEAKER_01]: You can listen to the podcast and tell us what you think.

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Did we do well?

[00:02:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Did we absolutely bomb it?

[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_01]: It's up for debate, isn't it?

[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_01]: That is up to your opinion.

[00:02:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I would like to sit here and think it went well.

[00:02:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I know we had fun doing it.

[00:02:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad it worked out with all the remote broadcast stuff.

[00:02:23] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, smile on the faces.

[00:02:25] [SPEAKER_01]: What are the penguins of Madagascar say?

[00:02:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Smile and wave boys.

[00:02:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Smile and wave.

[00:02:30] [SPEAKER_01]: That also feels like

[00:02:31] [SPEAKER_01]: that's what we're doing to the Mariners season as we transition.

[00:02:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Smile and wave.

[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Goodbye.

[00:02:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I want to give the Mariners a shout out.

[00:02:39] [SPEAKER_02]: There is only one opportunity all season to be 69 and 69.

[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And the Mariners have done.

[00:02:48] [SPEAKER_02]: One opportunity.

[00:02:49] [SPEAKER_02]: They did it.

[00:02:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Congratulations.

[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Run, give that should be something to celebrate.

[00:02:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm giving you props.

[00:02:57] [SPEAKER_01]: You said there was going to be no smiles on this entire show.

[00:03:00] [SPEAKER_01]: You're giving people a reason to laugh.

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Again, people may laugh right in your face.

[00:03:03] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, huh?

[00:03:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Did you think that show we did today on Brock and talk was good?

[00:03:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Little does he know it was awful.

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we don't know ball.

[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Apparently.

[00:03:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so you're giving people reasons to smile

[00:03:14] [SPEAKER_01]: in the first three minutes of this podcast.

[00:03:15] [SPEAKER_01]: So that's fun.

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how much of the rest of it's going to be of

[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_01]: just smiles.

[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_01]: But at least at some point we could say, hey,

[00:03:22] [SPEAKER_01]: we were upbeat on here on the Marinelayer pod.

[00:03:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it could be different.

[00:03:25] [SPEAKER_02]: We could approach things a different way

[00:03:27] [SPEAKER_02]: and come at this episode a little more aggressively.

[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Did you want to queue up what I'm about to play?

[00:03:35] [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners lost here on Monday to the A's on their second

[00:03:39] [SPEAKER_01]: walk off home run loss in three days.

[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_01]: They have now had yet another game

[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_01]: that they lost a one run contest.

[00:03:50] [SPEAKER_01]: They lost a walk off contest.

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_01]: They lost on the road.

[00:03:54] [SPEAKER_01]: They're pitching staff did not pitch well on the road.

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_01]: The offense didn't do enough and the bullpen coughed up the game late.

[00:04:02] [SPEAKER_01]: So where have we heard these things before?

[00:04:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Feels like we are in Groundhog Day talking about it over

[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_01]: and over and over.

[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And what better sound can encapsulate that than this right here?

[00:04:16] [SPEAKER_00]: We're sitting here again.

[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_00]: We're sitting here again talking about the same things.

[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you Brian Kelly.

[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you Brian Kelly.

[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_01]: If you were not a college football fan or didn't watch that LSU USC game

[00:04:28] [SPEAKER_01]: on Sunday night, that was after the press conference.

[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Brian Kelly was very visibly not happy with LSU losing another big game

[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_01]: early in the season and therefore he slammed his fist on the desk saying

[00:04:39] [SPEAKER_01]: we're sitting here again talking about the same thing.

[00:04:44] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'll tell you what that visual was hilarious.

[00:04:47] [SPEAKER_01]: But it is a perfect, perfect way to encapsulate the Mariners season.

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_01]: How many times I feel like we've said this a million times.

[00:04:56] [SPEAKER_01]: How many times do we have to talk about these repeated storylines?

[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I know it's September 2nd.

[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_01]: We have a month of the season left to go.

[00:05:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Anything could happen.

[00:05:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they somehow get on a hot streak.

[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know what else we can keep saying here.

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, but the offense doesn't hit.

[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_01]: They don't pitch on the road.

[00:05:12] [SPEAKER_01]: The bullpen keeps coughing up games.

[00:05:14] [SPEAKER_01]: What else can we say?

[00:05:17] [SPEAKER_02]: But a hot streak based on what exactly?

[00:05:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[00:05:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Again, we've already detailed how they have pitched about as well as they possibly could have.

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's legitimately doesn't matter.

[00:05:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, not what it takes.

[00:05:31] [SPEAKER_02]: And no, not on the road.

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Fun fact.

[00:05:33] [SPEAKER_02]: We've floated this on Brock and Socler this morning.

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you guys realize it's worse now after a Monday's game?

[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_02]: The Mariners have a bottom third in baseball and Rodeere,

[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_02]: not even a good pitching staff on the road.

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Not even a league average pitching staff on the road.

[00:05:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is why Dan Wilson wins his first two series and it's like,

[00:05:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Great. It's like, OK, but they're going to go play three series on the road where they've struggled all season

[00:06:00] [SPEAKER_02]: and they've looked incredibly average away from team mobile park.

[00:06:04] [SPEAKER_02]: And what have they done?

[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_01]: TJ, what are you talking about?

[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_01]: It's all Scott services fault.

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_01]: He's to blame everything was going to change once he got fired.

[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And everything has got to be a service call of the Mariners dug out today and told them to put

[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_02]: the post in both it and the night inning.

[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's still deploying bullpen moves from afar.

[00:06:22] [SPEAKER_01]: It's all his fault. Everything changed with Scott service no longer being here.

[00:06:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Like clearly, clearly he was the problem.

[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_01]: It's all his fault.

[00:06:32] [SPEAKER_02]: You have four winnable games in a row to start this road trip.

[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_02]: There's only so many ways that we can sit here and sell.

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's a pretty soft schedule.

[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Looking at this, there will definitely win a bull matchups.

[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_02]: You have the pitching advantage.

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_02]: You theoretically should have the roster advantage all these times.

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_02]: It has a matter.

[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Like three games in a row to the Mariners of blown leads and ended up losing in the bullpen.

[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_02]: And the bullpen being a piece that I don't feel like we talk enough about.

[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I'll be a culprit of the Mariners downfall this season.

[00:07:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I've just not being able to hold on to those leads.

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_02]: It's it's just so disappointing.

[00:07:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Like we can sit here and look at this, this Mariners schedule the rest of the way.

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_02]: And say, oh well, look, they got three more games against the A's.

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_02]: You should be able to win some games against the A's.

[00:07:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And then you have the cardinals who are fine.

[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_02]: But you certainly team that you could be able to beat.

[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, oh, the pond raise you played well against them at home.

[00:07:28] [SPEAKER_02]: The Rangers aren't very good.

[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_02]: You get them for four games at home.

[00:07:31] [SPEAKER_02]: The Yankee series is going to be tough.

[00:07:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And then you go back on the road.

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's where you make up your money.

[00:07:36] [SPEAKER_02]: But how are you supposed to sell anyone on the factor in a win games?

[00:07:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, well, new splash. You don't.

[00:07:42] [SPEAKER_02]: They're not because they're not.

[00:07:43] [SPEAKER_02]: They've shown us enough times of what they are on the road.

[00:07:48] [SPEAKER_02]: This team playing on the road will not take them anywhere.

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_01]: They're not.

[00:07:53] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's September.

[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_01]: There is no well.

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_01]: What if things correct itself moving forward?

[00:07:58] [SPEAKER_01]: There is no moving forward.

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_01]: We're in the final month of the season.

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_01]: This is who this team is on the road.

[00:08:03] [SPEAKER_01]: And if they can't beat the Angels and the A's on the road,

[00:08:08] [SPEAKER_01]: how are you going to beat anybody on the road?

[00:08:10] [SPEAKER_01]: How in the world are you going to win all three games in Houston?

[00:08:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Because this is what we talked about on Brock and Sok on Monday.

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_01]: This is what we're going to sit here right now and talk about.

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners only path to the playoffs right now.

[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_01]: As of right now, there's still six back because Houston lost today too.

[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Their only path is if going into the final series in Houston that last week of the year

[00:08:33] [SPEAKER_01]: on the road, they're within three games.

[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_01]: So essentially between now and when you go to Houston,

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_01]: if you made up three games.

[00:08:41] [SPEAKER_01]: And if that happens, you have to go into that series and sweep.

[00:08:46] [SPEAKER_01]: In other words, you have to play your three best cleanest,

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_01]: most dominant baseball games of the season in a place that's been a house of horse

[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_01]: and a team that's been significantly better than you since May,

[00:08:59] [SPEAKER_01]: essentially at the very least since mid June.

[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I saw it today.

[00:09:03] [SPEAKER_01]: The Astros since April 24th have the best record in baseball.

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, you have to go into Houston and win all three of those games.

[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise that is your only path to the playoffs at this point.

[00:09:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise they're not going.

[00:09:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And if you are one and three against the angels and the A's,

[00:09:22] [SPEAKER_01]: how are you going to sweep Houston on the road?

[00:09:27] [SPEAKER_02]: If you're going to game that amount of games,

[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_02]: you need to probably rip off.

[00:09:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's say a five game win streak at least.

[00:09:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's say minimum right five games.

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_02]: So what should these five games are you winning in a row?

[00:09:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Down the stretch of this season.

[00:09:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Because you're not winning five in a row on the road,

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_02]: not with the way the combination of pitching and hitting you out on the road.

[00:09:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Are you going to find a way to win five combined games against the podries and the

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Rangers?

[00:09:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's your only opportunity if you win the last game against the podries

[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_02]: and then sweep the Rangers while you're playing at home.

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_02]: The Rangers have been math.

[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I'd best the season and the Mariners are taking care of business against that team.

[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_02]: But that's it because then after that,

[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_02]: the Yankees come in, you're not sweeping them.

[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_02]: You're probably losing the series to them.

[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And then you go back on on the road and that series,

[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_02]: which odds are right now,

[00:10:17] [SPEAKER_02]: the Mariners will lose the series to the Texas Rangers in the second

[00:10:19] [SPEAKER_02]: last week of the season and they will lose or get swept by the Houston

[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Astros in the last week of the season.

[00:10:25] [SPEAKER_02]: And then it's over essentially three games series against the A's at the end of year

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_02]: does not matter.

[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Just fan appreciation weekend.

[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_02]: And if that's your, if that's your cup of Joe.

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_02]: But looking looking at the at any sort of semblance of chance,

[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_02]: there's not one.

[00:10:42] [SPEAKER_02]: And we just have to keep being reminded of it because we're sitting here

[00:10:44] [SPEAKER_02]: is still trying to watch and find some way to hold out hope

[00:10:48] [SPEAKER_02]: and sitting here and being disappointed again and again and again and again

[00:10:54] [SPEAKER_02]: and again and again.

[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what I'm looking forward to most of that A series

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_01]: is a bunch of the minor leaders get awards that weekend and hoping that we see

[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_01]: some of the guys we become friends with,

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_01]: get the chance to come up to Seattle and accept some awards

[00:11:09] [SPEAKER_01]: and then we can talk to them and catch up with them there.

[00:11:12] [SPEAKER_01]: That's like you, you talked about that last week and that's what I'm looking forward

[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_01]: to because it sure doesn't feel like we're sitting right now that they're going

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_01]: to be playing meaningful games.

[00:11:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you know what disappoints me the most though about these last four games?

[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_02]: You're just, you're starting rotation has been your rock this season

[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_02]: and the thing that you rely upon the most.

[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_02]: And then the last four games, do you have George Kirby going five and two thirds

[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_02]: and giving up three home runs?

[00:11:36] [SPEAKER_02]: You have Brian Wu who pitched well for the most part but still gave up three

[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_02]: homeers and four earned runs.

[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_02]: You had Bryce Miller who couldn't even finish five innings

[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_02]: on Sunday before he got knocked out, giving up three earned runs

[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_02]: and then today Logan goes six and gives up four earned runs.

[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And the Mariners winning games this year has been reliant on their staff

[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_02]: being dominant and these four games they've been far from that.

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Here's my issue with that though.

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't don't they ever get a pass?

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Don't they get one bad turn through the rotation at some point?

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And some grief is given for how amazing they've been all year

[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_01]: and with that at what point when they have a bad turn through the rotation

[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_01]: can just once or maybe twice like heaven for big twice three times

[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_01]: it'd be a miracle if the offense is like you know what guys

[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_01]: we're going to pick you up today.

[00:12:36] [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to put up eight to nine runs.

[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to be the driving force and why we win these games.

[00:12:42] [SPEAKER_01]: They never do that.

[00:12:46] [SPEAKER_02]: But why would you give the pitching staff a pass for how they pitched on the road?

[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, well okay on the road. No, they have not been they have not been a strong staff

[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_02]: but I'm saying that like you're like spend something that's gone on for months now

[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_01]: but I'm saying you were acting like oh well they didn't have a good turn through the rotation

[00:13:03] [SPEAKER_01]: when they really needed them to and they did.

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not okay. So the way you're framing it is correct.

[00:13:08] [SPEAKER_02]: But if we're just talking about overall on the road

[00:13:10] [SPEAKER_02]: it is September and they still have not figured out how to pitch at an above average level on the road.

[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_02]: That's not good.

[00:13:19] [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's not. Not for team that can't hit.

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_01]: And I know I'm just screaming into an abyss at this point because again this is who this team is.

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_01]: We know exactly who they are and what they are and are not capable of.

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I'm screaming into an abyss but I'm going to continue doing it.

[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Like why can't the offense ever pick this team up?

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Because the offense isn't good.

[00:13:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Did you know that today was the first time all year here on Monday

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_01]: that Julio's had a sack fly.

[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_02]: That is.

[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I saw that tweeted today.

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_02]: So why don't we think that is?

[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_02]: It's too many, it's probably too many ground ball.

[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Ground balls, right?

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:14:01] [SPEAKER_01]: That a lot of strikeouts.

[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_01]: He certainly swings hard.

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_01]: So the time's ill often connect with guys on base that will go away.

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_02]: And there are either there or several less guys on base than almost every team in baseball too, which also does not help.

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_01]: So all encompassing.

[00:14:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Not a good stat.

[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Well he's only got four for his career.

[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_01]: That's unreal.

[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Again, that says a lot of ground balls.

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of strikeouts.

[00:14:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:14:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And when he hits the ball in the air, he usually doesn't get caught.

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_01]: And he hasn't hit the ball in the air anywhere near enough this year.

[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Again, we know both last year and this year.

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_01]: He's had his struggles and clutch situations and driving runners in with guys on base at times.

[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Think it's all encompassing.

[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Where do we go from here, man?

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_02]: What are we supposed to do for the next month?

[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to tell you guys to put a smile on your face.

[00:14:54] [SPEAKER_01]: And then it's all going to be okay.

[00:14:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Do do the Joker smile.

[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:15:00] [SPEAKER_01]: That.

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_01]: All the more reason all of you listening should also be watching on YouTube because we're doing Joker faces right now here on the podcast.

[00:15:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Should start doing the Joker dance or the Joker laugh.

[00:15:15] [SPEAKER_01]: That's actually.

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_01]: That's actually pretty close.

[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I was wrong.

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not turning into the Joker.

[00:15:21] [SPEAKER_02]: That's kind of creepy.

[00:15:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Are you sure?

[00:15:23] [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners haven't turned you into the Joker yet?

[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Not yet.

[00:15:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I might take another 20 year drought to do that.

[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like it's just,

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_02]: It's the constant year over year in sanity day force me through.

[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_01]: See, I think all my rage for the season is out when, when the Mariners had their 1-8 road trip and when they blew the 10 game lead and when they got swept at home by the angels before the All Star Break,

[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_01]: that series where they scored three runs and three games.

[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_01]: That was where all the rage and fury and ranning was really at its peak for me.

[00:15:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, like I think I'm one just all at energy and two just because you feel tired now.

[00:16:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel out of energy tired and honestly immune to it.

[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Seeing the Mariners get walked off twice in the last three days,

[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't have much reaction to it.

[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Usually if that were to happen,

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm dropping F bombs, I'm pissed off.

[00:16:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm in a terrible mood the rest of the day.

[00:16:20] [SPEAKER_01]: But now I'm just sitting here.

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, yeah, like,

[00:16:25] [SPEAKER_01]: All right, this is who they are.

[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_01]: This is who they are this year.

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm out of energy.

[00:16:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I do not have energy left to give for losses like that.

[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I felt that when I was doing the reaction on Sunday.

[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_02]: You can do social media.

[00:16:42] [SPEAKER_02]: On social media, yeah.

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_02]: If you haven't seen that, go check it out by the way.

[00:16:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Instagram, TikTok, Twitter, Atmarine, Lair pod.

[00:16:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Just sitting there like doing this again.

[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Doing this again, the expectations we set and they're going to finish below 500.

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Ultimately, ultimately disappointing.

[00:17:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, like, seriously, like on the field,

[00:17:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Do we even, like, what do we want to even see this month?

[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Do we want to see anything?

[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Do we want to see like a hot month from Julio?

[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you want to see healthy players?

[00:17:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you want to call up coal young?

[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_02]: They should not.

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_02]: What?

[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Sebi Savala back on the roster?

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know.

[00:17:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I would love to see Bryce Miller and Brian.

[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_01]: We finished the year strong.

[00:17:27] [SPEAKER_01]: How about that?

[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_01]: To show that they really, really taking a full step forward in year two to show that they can,

[00:17:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we would injuries throughout the year, but Bryce is especially, but still both of them

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_01]: to show they can finish the year on a high note and pitch throughout a full season.

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_02]: They should sign Tim Tibo.

[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Come on.

[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_01]: That would be fun.

[00:17:49] [SPEAKER_01]: So I'd, we'd have to get him on the mic.

[00:17:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I'd be in for that.

[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's a good way to at least entertain ourselves for a final month, because you know what's not entertaining.

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_02]: If I have to watch this offense 24 more times.

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_01]: What if they get Kent Murphy to give these guys a pep talk?

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Who how many people you think are going to listen?

[00:18:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I would listen.

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_02]: But what about the players?

[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_02]: It's for them.

[00:18:20] [SPEAKER_01]: If they know ball, they'll listen to Kent Murphy.

[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Don't, like, think about this.

[00:18:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Kent Murphy was actually the pioneer of analytics and people didn't even realize that what does he say in all his videos?

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Never bun, just hit dingers.

[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Seems like a pretty flawed spot.

[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I just do the math.

[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you can score instantly or you cannot?

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Sounds pretty easy to me.

[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_01]: So I'd love to see Miller and move.

[00:18:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Finish the year strong.

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I'd love to see no more injuries occur, especially not serious ones.

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, I mean that goes without saying.

[00:18:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Especially not pitching injuries.

[00:18:53] Right.

[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Other than that.

[00:18:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it'd be nice to see some of these guys heat up toward the end of the year and give people some

[00:19:03] [SPEAKER_01]: positivity and give themselves some momentum going into next year.

[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_01]: J.P. Hullio.

[00:19:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Couple others.

[00:19:11] [SPEAKER_01]: But I'd love to see Victor Robles finish the year strong to show that he can really sustain all this.

[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know how many narratives are even out there where we can say this is imperative.

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I just wish there were some guys close to the big leagues that could give some playing time too now.

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_02]: At least that would give people more of a reason to tune in and watch.

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_01]: That's true.

[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And watch these games.

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if this is relevant or not, but this could just be where the state of the farm system that.

[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners haven't gotten like a single thing out of their farm system this year.

[00:19:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Like at the big league level, they haven't really gotten much.

[00:19:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Class A was up for a bit.

[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Leo Reavus has been up for a bit.

[00:19:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Troy Taylor's pitched a few innings.

[00:19:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Like what like lockler was up for a bit.

[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_01]: What real impact has been there.

[00:19:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and even if you count can zone as part of that.

[00:20:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Not really.

[00:20:03] [SPEAKER_02]: It hasn't been hasn't been pretty right.

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Or even if you do it, you do it.

[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_02]: If you don't, it's worth nothing.

[00:20:08] [SPEAKER_02]: If you do, it's like only has been very good.

[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Either way, because he's back in the minor leagues.

[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_02]: He's back in the farm system.

[00:20:16] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I don't know.

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Like we've seen development in the farm system, but not pushing towards contributing to the big league level.

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Which, but we expected that.

[00:20:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, look, it's just where the state of the farms act.

[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying that's a knock on anybody, but it is.

[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_01]: It is just something to note.

[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_01]: It is, you haven't been able to get true reinforcements this year.

[00:20:38] [SPEAKER_01]: It's been the guys you've had to roll with and the couple players you traded for the deadline.

[00:20:44] [SPEAKER_02]: So I would say I'm at the point now where Mariners lose a few more games.

[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I would be okay just rolling out Tyler Lockley every day and giving him some big league at that three weeks worth of big league at bats.

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like every day you don't have to worry about benching him or pletuning him or anything.

[00:20:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I think like I think that would be beneficial for him.

[00:21:01] [SPEAKER_02]: But to come a season is going to end before that anyways, so might as well.

[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_01]: But not much longer before it ends.

[00:21:08] [SPEAKER_02]: How has he been since he's been back to coma in the chat?

[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_01]: You can look, but the to coma season, like the triple A season goes the longest of any of the affiliates.

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_01]: So it only ends like a week before the Mariners season ends.

[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_01]: So if you were to call him up, you just do it soon here, so you can give him a few at bats.

[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Mmm, never mind. He probably needs to stay into coma.

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:21:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's what I do.

[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I just do wish there was something to make make more people want to watch this team for the last month because

[00:21:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you could just repeat what has already been repeated time and time and time and time again.

[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_02]: But all the goodwill they built up in 22 and giving the general fan in Seattle in the Pacific Northwest.

[00:21:50] [SPEAKER_02]: A reason to sit down pay for root sports and watch these games has evaporated.

[00:21:57] [SPEAKER_02]: All of it.

[00:21:59] [SPEAKER_01]: It's evaporated and roots for it's might evaporate right with it.

[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_02]: So you just, you have to find a way to get people to want to watch your games because we can sit here and talk about the payroll all we want.

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_02]: But you know what will cause the payroll to not go up is if no one cares.

[00:22:19] [SPEAKER_01]: But that just feels like an endless clock.

[00:22:22] [SPEAKER_01]: People don't care because the roster wasn't good enough.

[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_01]: The roster wasn't good enough because they didn't invest enough resources.

[00:22:27] [SPEAKER_01]: So people don't want to tune in.

[00:22:29] [SPEAKER_02]: That's why you need the upfront investment in all of this and then you have a product like the Yankees have where people care year over year after year after year.

[00:22:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And the ratings are high and the attendance is high and you're in the number one market and it's the cyclical thing.

[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_02]: But the Mariners had to start from zero with that and for their 47 years have done a poor job of building a good reputation in their own community on the diamond.

[00:23:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, we're having this conversation again.

[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_01]: You know what? Play the clip again. Again how many times do we already have this conversation in the second half?

[00:23:08] [SPEAKER_00]: It's getting here again. We're sitting here again talking about the same things.

[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_01]: How many times unreal?

[00:23:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Do Brian Kelly's ridiculous.

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah he is.

[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe he should coach the Mariners team and then he would.

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_02]: What would he do if he coach the Mariners?

[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_02]: He's a big blame other people, right?

[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah. Oh, you be throwing guys under the bus in every press conference.

[00:23:38] Hmm.

[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Can we get a week at that?

[00:23:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I think half the fan base would really like.

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Enjoy that.

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Get some laps out of it.

[00:23:47] [SPEAKER_01]: You know much content we get out of that a lot.

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Brian Kelly sits down sits down at the Presck at the podium.

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_01]: As the Mariners get walked off for the second time in three days against the A's.

[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Again after getting walked up by the angels a couple days ago.

[00:24:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I heard a great man give a quote once and I'd like to repeat it here.

[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_01]: It was me, Brian Kelly said, I gave this quote.

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_01]: We didn't execute well enough tonight.

[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe our entire team should be executed after tonight.

[00:24:21] [SPEAKER_01]: He just says that to the entire Mariners media and.

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_01]: What are the Mariners fans going to say hearing that?

[00:24:30] Um.

[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_02]: He's right.

[00:24:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, he's right that they didn't execute.

[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't.

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't exactly vouch for the latter like like well,

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I know there would probably be some people out there justifying but the whole line up should be executed.

[00:24:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, but if I executed you can't you mean like replaced sure.

[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Not no, I'm not saying they should kill the line.

[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, not not actually executed that's what I'm saying.

[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_01]: A figure of speech right but people when Brian Kelly actually gave that quote,

[00:25:02] [SPEAKER_01]: people did not take it as a figure of speech.

[00:25:03] [SPEAKER_01]: They were like, what is this dude saying?

[00:25:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I think I think it might be time to transition to the next portion of this pie cast and.

[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Conversation we're about to have but before that.

[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Another positive because again, we need positives in this pie cast.

[00:25:22] [SPEAKER_01]: But got you's probably five.

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_01]: That's a positive.

[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Go over and have a great meal there.

[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Some great drinks there.

[00:25:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Fun time with your friends there.

[00:25:28] [SPEAKER_01]: There's happy hour specials Monday through Friday by the way.

[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_01]: There are three and four dollar drinks.

[00:25:33] [SPEAKER_01]: That's two to six p.m.

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Three and four dollar drinks for happy hour.

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_01]: There's 20 TVs in the place if you want to go watch some games.

[00:25:39] [SPEAKER_01]: There's darts, there's pool all of that.

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Whole nine yards over it.

[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Pagaches pub 85 in Kirkland.

[00:25:46] [SPEAKER_01]: So I think we just have to have this conversation at this point with the way the mariners are playing.

[00:25:53] [SPEAKER_01]: We don't have to agree with it.

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_01]: In fact, we can disagree with it.

[00:25:57] [SPEAKER_01]: But we need to have the conversation because if the mariners continue to play like this.

[00:26:03] [SPEAKER_01]: They fired Scott service because they said.

[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_01]: The way that team was playing was not up to standard.

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_01]: They make the higher of Dan Wilson, right?

[00:26:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that signal that did well, absolutely signal Wilson would be the manager moving forward.

[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_01]: But that at least for 2025, Jerry depot is job is safe.

[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_01]: And he's saying getting rid of the manager will improve the roster.

[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Now give me into 2025 to show you that.

[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_01]: That being said, if the mariners have this awful September and legitimately finished below 500,

[00:26:36] [SPEAKER_01]: is Jerry depoto gonna survive this.

[00:26:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I think we have to ask that.

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_02]: So then I'm going to turn this question around on you.

[00:26:46] [SPEAKER_02]: What has changed since they made the decision to keep Jerry and fire Scott a week and change ago?

[00:26:53] [SPEAKER_02]: That has changed on the field, nothing.

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I would say nothing but time.

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if the mariners were going to make the decision to make that move in season.

[00:27:02] [SPEAKER_01]: They usually don't even make coaching changes midseason.

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_01]: But they've done it this year, which is pretty uncharacteristic form.

[00:27:07] [SPEAKER_01]: The only thing that's changed is time and that's what I'd say.

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_01]: If the mariners look in the mirror at the end of the season,

[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_01]: have some time to reflect and look back and also look to what their roster is going to shape up like going forward

[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_01]: and where they feel like the future of the team is echoing forward.

[00:27:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I am not saying I agree with this.

[00:27:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I am simply asking are the mariners going to sit there and think about potentially making a change.

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Because again, if it's true about the photos contract that it's up after this year,

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_01]: although he has a club option or like an option that team can pick up for 2025,

[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_01]: there is the chance that they just decide we're ready to find someone new.

[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't think so.

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Based on all of the messaging around hiring Dan Wilson,

[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_02]: even with their continued play because shocking as you and I said nothing really was going to change this year hiring Dan Wilson

[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_02]: and it's been the exact same.

[00:28:06] [SPEAKER_02]: So if mariners ownership uses this next month as this month alone, not the whole sample,

[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_02]: this month alone as the reason to fire Jerry to Poto,

[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I would raise an eyebrow a little bit.

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Now if they use the season as a whole, not just this month,

[00:28:24] [SPEAKER_02]: then you could just fight, you could just fight a little bit more.

[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_02]: They underperformed.

[00:28:28] [SPEAKER_02]: If he put this roster together, they were supposed to make the playoffs compete for their vision.

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_02]: They're doing the exact opposite.

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry Jerry, we're not meeting our expectations.

[00:28:38] [SPEAKER_02]: But if the thought of the ownership group was that hiring Dan Wilson would magically change things around

[00:28:47] [SPEAKER_02]: and that that would be a reason to keep Jerry to Poto for next year,

[00:28:51] [SPEAKER_02]: that would be a very flawed thinking process right there.

[00:28:55] [SPEAKER_02]: But if you come to the conclusion that the whole year is not good enough,

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_02]: and that Jerry to Poto did not earn an invitation back next year,

[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_02]: then that's more rational.

[00:29:07] [SPEAKER_02]: But then you would get to this point right here because ownership would want Dan Wilson,

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I believe, to stay as mariners manager.

[00:29:15] [SPEAKER_02]: So do you hire another president of baseball operations or do you just keep a GM?

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And you don't let the GM choose their manager like that.

[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_01]: So in other words, maybe it would just be just an Hollander show rolling forward.

[00:29:31] [SPEAKER_01]: If Jerry goes, it's Hollander.

[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_02]: It could be, I mean, I'd be curious to see what Hollander does on his own.

[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_02]: How much different are they in Jerry?

[00:29:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, Justin, I know Justin's a very nice guy.

[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I know he very much knows his baseball.

[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I know he's been a big part of the Mariners current establishment.

[00:29:54] [SPEAKER_02]: But philosophically, like what changes do you want something completely new?

[00:29:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I know a lot of people if they want to move on from Jerry to Poto.

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I think I'm in this boat.

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_02]: If you move on from Jerry to Poto, I want new vision.

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I want a new ideology in the regime.

[00:30:12] [SPEAKER_02]: The ownership won't change, but what you can swap out and rehire is who runs your baseball operations.

[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_02]: So if I decide this vision is not working and is not good enough, then I think something different would be the right move.

[00:30:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Instead of going with someone off the branch.

[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_01]: But how much of your baseball apps can you even clean house with?

[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Don't you want the people responsible for all these drafts to stay around?

[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_01]: The people that have drafted this well with all these pictures and now all these young hitters?

[00:30:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, like, but just keeping Justin Hollander doesn't mean they're all going to stay.

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_01]: No, it doesn't.

[00:30:51] [SPEAKER_01]: But again, I think it is.

[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_02]: What does Andy McCann Scott Hunter stay if Jerry to Poto gets fired?

[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:30:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I hope Scott Hunter stays because he's been a huge part of why this team's drafted so well.

[00:31:03] [SPEAKER_01]: But that's the thing, right?

[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Like there's certain pieces of the baseball apps department you want to stick around because they've done their job.

[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_01]: We don't know the exact title, but where we would have to guess that some of the things have gone wrong is

[00:31:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Pro scouting or major league talent evaluation.

[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if the Mariners have pros scouts technically anymore.

[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they still do.

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_01]: But it is something along the lines of major league talent evaluation.

[00:31:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Like how does that get better?

[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_01]: If you bring in a new GM, can you hire a better team to better evaluate players?

[00:31:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Will Justin evaluate players differently if he is the guy as opposed to how Jerry would?

[00:31:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know the answer to that question.

[00:31:45] [SPEAKER_02]: But Justin right now has quite a bit of say in evaluating pro talent.

[00:31:51] [SPEAKER_02]: They talked about it.

[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I forget if it was on the wheelhouse or not, but they talked about how they would they split up approaching trade deadline for example.

[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Justin's essentially doing half the work.

[00:32:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Right now.

[00:32:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Jerry ultimately gets final say, but Justin's certainly putting in a good portion of that work.

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_02]: To see Justin Hollander is free of blame and major league talent evaluation would be short-sighted in that case.

[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Because he has the second and second in line when in the baseball apps department.

[00:32:25] [SPEAKER_01]: And he is responsible for a lot of the trades that were made this off season two.

[00:32:28] [SPEAKER_01]: That's for sure. He is a part in this.

[00:32:31] [SPEAKER_01]: So let's go with your point.

[00:32:34] [SPEAKER_01]: It makes this conversation a whole lot interesting if we go with what you're saying and they don't just simply have it be Hollander is even if Hollander doesn't get a promotion.

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_01]: In this scenario, say Jerry would not be back next year and Hollander's just the GM.

[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_01]: The way Jerry was before he was promoted to president of baseball apps.

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Then they just wouldn't have a president of baseball apps. Hollander would be the GM. Everybody else would be below him in that scenario.

[00:32:57] [SPEAKER_01]: But it is more entertaining and gives us more to talk about to go with your scenario.

[00:33:03] [SPEAKER_01]: So if they were to just get a new vision, Jerry wasn't back and Justin wasn't back then what?

[00:33:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Where do you start looking around in baseball for who you could hire?

[00:33:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I know everybody's going to fantasize about this idea.

[00:33:18] [SPEAKER_01]: The Ops seems not walking through the door. I love you too, but he's not.

[00:33:22] [SPEAKER_02]: No, he's not.

[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to take some of what Davis said last week when we asked him about,

[00:33:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Hey do you think people would be interested in the Mariners manager job if they thought the GM was getting fired?

[00:33:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Or the president of baseball apps was getting fired and they could essentially get canned and he said,

[00:33:37] [SPEAKER_02]: No, there would be people interested because to get people to that position you offer the multi your deals and you get multi your guaranteed money.

[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_02]: So even if you get fired, you have money to pay out, which is what people care about for the most part.

[00:33:52] [SPEAKER_02]: So just the fact that there are 30 GM slash president of baseball ops jobs in Major League Baseball,

[00:34:02] [SPEAKER_02]: you could you would still get the best in the brightest to come work in Seattle.

[00:34:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Could you keep them forever? No.

[00:34:10] [SPEAKER_02]: If Jerry depote for example, one world series and someone wanted to come along and make him one of the top five highest paid GM's in Major League Baseball,

[00:34:20] [SPEAKER_02]: who's say he wouldn't leave. I'm not saying this with inside knowledge, but based on everything Davis told us and how they handle coaching staves and the current Major League roster budget,

[00:34:31] [SPEAKER_02]: they don't pay top dollar.

[00:34:34] [SPEAKER_02]: So to think that Justin Hollander and Jerry depote will also make top dollar,

[00:34:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I would guess they don't and I would guess there are teams who are willing to pay top dollar for top executives.

[00:34:48] [SPEAKER_02]: So to say that would be, yeah, the doubt be it.

[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_02]: So even but even even the fact the Mariners don't pay top dollar,

[00:34:59] [SPEAKER_02]: just the allure of being able to be a Major League Baseball general manager when you haven't,

[00:35:04] [SPEAKER_02]: is very enticing to some very smart baseball people who could be smarter with baseball than Jerry depoto.

[00:35:10] [SPEAKER_02]: That's entirely realistic. You just might not keep them as long as you want.

[00:35:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Two things to that one, we don't even need inside knowledge to confidently say this. Yes, Jerry depoto does not make as much money as Andrew Friedman doesn't LA.

[00:35:22] [SPEAKER_01]: There's no chance. No, of course not.

[00:35:25] [SPEAKER_01]: With that with that too. Yeah, like I think you made a good point there if Jerry was so sought after,

[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_01]: had he, you know, one of world series or had more playoff appearances.

[00:35:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he would have been poached away earlier.

[00:35:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe somebody else would have wanted to bring him with them.

[00:35:43] [SPEAKER_02]: We just watched David Stearns essentially get poached from Milwaukee.

[00:35:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, by the mets showed on the money and then Milwaukee had the same thing happens to them with their manager with Craig Council.

[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they weren't paying enough for those guys.

[00:35:57] [SPEAKER_01]: They're a fairly cheap franchise and they lost them to teams who could pay for more.

[00:36:01] [SPEAKER_01]: They looked at what David Stearns did with essentially no budget and said, we'll give you the reins with our budget, which is almost infinite to do what you want.

[00:36:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's enticing.

[00:36:13] [SPEAKER_01]: The mariners are never going to be the mets, unfortunately. Well, not unless again budget changes ownership change.

[00:36:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, base.

[00:36:20] [SPEAKER_01]: God, that'll be great.

[00:36:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Or former.

[00:36:26] [SPEAKER_02]: But due to basals, I mean, bombers rich, but

[00:36:31] [SPEAKER_01]: But,

[00:36:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Basel, I mean, basels is really rich.

[00:36:34] [SPEAKER_01]: But bomber, bomber still richer than most owners in baseball.

[00:36:38] [SPEAKER_02]: That's true.

[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_02]: That's true.

[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_02]: But I've do believe basals has like six or seven times what he does.

[00:36:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, dude.

[00:36:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Him paying showhaze contract would be him writing a $10 check to somebody.

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Please.

[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Unreal.

[00:36:59] [SPEAKER_01]: So, okay.

[00:37:00] [SPEAKER_01]: And all seriousness.

[00:37:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Who could they look at to be the GM?

[00:37:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Could they try and hire Eric Neanderer away from Tampa?

[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know how different Seattle is in Tampa.

[00:37:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Tampa also probably pays in the bottom third of GM's.

[00:37:18] [SPEAKER_02]: What he want to move three thousand miles away to make the same money.

[00:37:22] [SPEAKER_02]: An awards hitting environment.

[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And he knows he can.

[00:37:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Some win divisions and a playoff series in Tampa that he does.

[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And he's get and they're getting a new stadium soon.

[00:37:35] Mm-hmm.

[00:37:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:37:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's not Eric Neanderer's problem to put fans and seeds.

[00:37:40] [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's not.

[00:37:43] [SPEAKER_01]: So like who else is even out there?

[00:37:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how many GMs you could just coach away because the.

[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Let me just let me answer this quickly.

[00:37:50] [SPEAKER_02]: You're not getting a you're not coaching a sitting GM.

[00:37:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:37:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Because the mayor is won't pay enough.

[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_01]: So in that scenario, it's either going to be some assistant general manager or somebody who works

[00:38:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Under a GM of another team who intrigues you in an interview that you would bring in in this situation.

[00:38:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Or yeah, like if you're going to go outside the org, it would probably be somebody like that right?

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_01]: An assistant GM.

[00:38:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Probably.

[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_02]: And if we're talking about what philosophies we'd be looking for in this person.

[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Everyone's going to have a very similar pitch.

[00:38:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Everyone wants to win a world series.

[00:38:25] [SPEAKER_02]: It's how do you execute when you actually get the job?

[00:38:28] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what it is.

[00:38:29] [SPEAKER_01]: And how do you not swing and miss on major league trades for bats?

[00:38:35] [SPEAKER_01]: That is the Achilles heel of this team right now.

[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_01]: We know it's the offense, but it's also the guys that continuously get brought in here.

[00:38:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Do not seem to find success.

[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Somebody's got to have a blueprint.

[00:38:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And for finding the necessary big league hitters to help the team win.

[00:38:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, or more specifically, find hitters who can hit in team mobile park.

[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_02]: How do you find that?

[00:39:00] [SPEAKER_02]: The GM that finds that will lead this team to success.

[00:39:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Correct.

[00:39:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Funny enough, we give Jack C. Crap for that.

[00:39:05] [SPEAKER_02]: He signed two players who hit very well on this ballpark.

[00:39:10] [SPEAKER_01]: You can count three.

[00:39:10] [SPEAKER_01]: There were slim dunks.

[00:39:11] [SPEAKER_01]: You can count three if you want to count extending Kyle Seager.

[00:39:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

[00:39:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I need drafted Kyle Seager too.

[00:39:17] [SPEAKER_02]: And Seager always hit.

[00:39:19] [SPEAKER_01]: So the one good position player he ever drafted.

[00:39:22] [SPEAKER_02]: He did draft a good North Carolina infielder in 2009.

[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Just not the one you expected.

[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.

[00:39:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:39:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Not the one who hit over 400 for three years in a row.

[00:39:36] [SPEAKER_01]: How does a team mess that up?

[00:39:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, how does the team make the playoffs five times and 47 seasons

[00:39:42] [SPEAKER_02]: and never go to the world series?

[00:39:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Got me.

[00:39:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, it's how do you find players who hit in team mobile park?

[00:39:55] [SPEAKER_02]: You and I don't know the answer to this, but you got to find some way.

[00:39:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you got to find some way for players besides stars to hit here.

[00:40:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Can you get a Josh Rojas level player to hit in team mobile park to put up a 105?

[00:40:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_01]: WRC plus.

[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:40:14] [SPEAKER_01]: And because that's what the budget is going to say that you can afford, you have to find

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_01]: value in somewhat lesser trades with guys who can come here and be productive.

[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_01]: You just have to.

[00:40:24] [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know what type of profile you're even looking for at this point.

[00:40:28] [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners have tried every different profile.

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Jesse Winker had this great approach.

[00:40:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Drew walks.

[00:40:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Spray the gaps with doubles came here and was just in a trossity both in the field for sure.

[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_01]: But at the play too, the next year they say, Teoska Hernandez that dude destroys left hand

[00:40:47] [SPEAKER_01]: of pitching.

[00:40:48] [SPEAKER_01]: He is literally a top three hitter in the game against left handed pitching behind

[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_01]: guys like Paul Goldschmidt who had just won an MVP and also hits the crap out of the

[00:40:57] [SPEAKER_01]: baseball's hard hit profiles off the charts.

[00:40:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Teoska comes here doesn't play well.

[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Then I mean what other profiles do you want to go with?

[00:41:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Colton Wong.

[00:41:06] [SPEAKER_01]: He was a walking two win players.

[00:41:07] [SPEAKER_01]: He's like this guy is we can pencil this guy in to give us value.

[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Be a two win guy didn't work.

[00:41:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Find a way to clone Nelson Cruz.

[00:41:17] [SPEAKER_01]: That would be great, but how many Nelson Cruz has exist out there?

[00:41:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I'd say right now and baseball there's one and he's currently absolutely like the world

[00:41:24] [SPEAKER_01]: on fire year after year in Houston.

[00:41:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:41:34] [SPEAKER_01]: There is one Nelson Cruz.

[00:41:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Like if you're talking about that type of profile, there's one guy out there like that

[00:41:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh no I'm not talking about the profile.

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm talking about literally cloning Nelson Cruz.

[00:41:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Well how do we hire some scientists or what even science would that be?

[00:41:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I was so bad.

[00:41:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Is that like a biochemist or something?

[00:41:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, a chemist probably not but like somewhere in the biology sector biology is, yeah,

[00:42:01] [SPEAKER_02]: this is the study of life.

[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm saying that quietly because if I say that wrong, we're going to get ripped apart

[00:42:07] [SPEAKER_02]: in the comments section.

[00:42:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Science was a long time ago guys sorry it's been four years since I graduated and

[00:42:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I think six years since I took a science class.

[00:42:15] [SPEAKER_01]: So and it's been and it's been 15 years.

[00:42:17] [SPEAKER_02]: It's been it's been 27 years for a while since he paid attention in a science class.

[00:42:21] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, yeah.

[00:42:23] [SPEAKER_01]: No I was going to say actually maybe 15 was being generous.

[00:42:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I was going to say it's been 15 years since I actually inherited knowledge from a science class

[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_01]: because I was yeah I couldn't I couldn't tell you.

[00:42:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Anyways, yeah I think that's a solution because currently in baseball we're going to

[00:42:41] [SPEAKER_02]: we have plenty of time to talk about offseason approach and who you could sign.

[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_02]: The only guy I'm one 1000% confident could hit at T-Mobile Park is one soda.

[00:42:55] [SPEAKER_02]: What you could acquire?

[00:42:57] [SPEAKER_01]: What do we say?

[00:42:59] [SPEAKER_01]: You're getting rid of all your beers and they're signing them.

[00:43:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we said we said Monday on the show that they could actually double beers if

[00:43:08] [SPEAKER_01]: sure.

[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_01]: That's fine.

[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_01]: That's fine.

[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Do we do we got to do we got to do?

[00:43:12] [SPEAKER_02]: But that's it but like literally that's a situation the Mariners are in or if you if you want

[00:43:16] [SPEAKER_02]: us someone who you don't have to think about that's going to hit a T-Mobile Park.

[00:43:20] [SPEAKER_02]: He's the only one.

[00:43:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I can't even I can't even predict if Tony Taters would hit at T-Mobile.

[00:43:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Anthony Sontondare.

[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Could you imagine?

[00:43:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Could you imagine a world where the Mariners actually win the one soda sweepstakes to give them all the money in the world?

[00:43:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't. I can't.

[00:43:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Let me finish.

[00:43:38] [SPEAKER_01]: He comes here and it's first year he puts up a 107 WRC+.

[00:43:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Well then you you remember the song Recking Ball by my list, Iris?

[00:43:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:43:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:43:54] [SPEAKER_02]: That to T-Mobile Park.

[00:43:56] [SPEAKER_01]: At that point just like to hell to hell with the aesthetics of the ballpark.

[00:44:02] [SPEAKER_01]: You're building a dome at that point.

[00:44:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:44:06] [SPEAKER_02]: That offseason.

[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_02]: That offseason you're finding whatever remnants are of the kingdom and you're rebuilding it.

[00:44:13] [SPEAKER_02]: No I'm serious like that would cause I like to talk about what the fallout of that would be.

[00:44:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean we were dead serious they would have an audit on on the stadium.

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh.

[00:44:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:44:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I think there's one more piece of this GM thing though that we got to talk about because with the Jerry thing

[00:44:34] [SPEAKER_01]: we've talked about the like one will the Mariners keep them or not.

[00:44:40] [SPEAKER_01]: If they decide not to the next step is who they could hire.

[00:44:44] [SPEAKER_01]: We've talked about potential people outside the organization they could hire.

[00:44:49] [SPEAKER_01]: But we saw them basically on a whim making in-house hire of Dan Wilson without even doing

[00:44:56] [SPEAKER_01]: any type of external search.

[00:44:59] [SPEAKER_01]: If they were to let the photo and Holland or go,

[00:45:03] [SPEAKER_01]: are we sure we wouldn't see the same thing happen with the new GM?

[00:45:08] [SPEAKER_01]: And this is why I tell people be careful what you wish for if you are so certain

[00:45:14] [SPEAKER_01]: that you want a new GM here over depoto.

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_01]: So like would they not just do some type of in-house hire?

[00:45:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you have someone in mind?

[00:45:25] [SPEAKER_01]: You're pinning this on me.

[00:45:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Are you?

[00:45:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you wanted to bring it up.

[00:45:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I- okay this has been on Twitter.

[00:45:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Our friends like our friends over at the Lockdown Mariners podcast brought this up at 1.2.

[00:45:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I've seen it a couple times now and because we're on this topic

[00:45:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I have to bring- I like- like I have to bring it up because we're talking about potential

[00:45:47] [SPEAKER_01]: replacements to be the GM.

[00:45:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Let me prep this all of this by saying before we even get to it.

[00:45:54] [SPEAKER_01]: We have absolutely no knowledge that something like this could happen.

[00:45:57] [SPEAKER_01]: And this is pure speculation and tossing things around.

[00:46:02] [SPEAKER_01]: That's it, that's it.

[00:46:04] [SPEAKER_01]: And we are- let me also say I'm not even saying that the person we're about to throw out there

[00:46:10] [SPEAKER_01]: is not qualified for the job.

[00:46:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he is.

[00:46:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he isn't.

[00:46:17] [SPEAKER_01]: It is the after effects that we're about to get into here.

[00:46:22] [SPEAKER_01]: So if you look at the Mariners baseball operations department

[00:46:27] [SPEAKER_01]: the ordering of power goes like this.

[00:46:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Jerry DiPoto is at the top.

[00:46:32] [SPEAKER_01]: He's the president of baseball operations.

[00:46:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Justin Hollander second is the GM.

[00:46:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Andy McCay is third. He's the assistant GM.

[00:46:41] [SPEAKER_01]: And at number four, the VP of baseball administration

[00:46:46] [SPEAKER_01]: is a guy by the name of Tim Stanton which if you're thinking that's a familiar last name,

[00:46:52] [SPEAKER_01]: it is a familiar last name. That's- that's John Stanton's son.

[00:46:57] [SPEAKER_01]: So if the Mariners were going to make an in-house hire, Jerry's not here,

[00:47:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Justin's not here in this hypothetical scenario,

[00:47:05] [SPEAKER_01]: there's not very many people ahead of him that would be in line to get that job.

[00:47:12] [SPEAKER_01]: And I got to tell you again, we don't know him.

[00:47:17] [SPEAKER_01]: We're not saying he's not qualified for the job,

[00:47:20] [SPEAKER_01]: but Justin terms of one the perception of it and two what the potential after effects of it could be

[00:47:27] [SPEAKER_01]: that has the potential to really, really be a problem because

[00:47:31] [SPEAKER_01]: then you're essentially the cowboys of baseball because it's

[00:47:36] [SPEAKER_01]: it's the dad and his kid running the team and is there going to be any accountability if he

[00:47:42] [SPEAKER_01]: is eventually not good at the job he is in the role to do?

[00:47:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Because if that's the case and there is no accountability in this scenario,

[00:47:52] [SPEAKER_01]: then essentially they could be the cowboys of the NFL.

[00:47:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And there would be some similarities to what Dallas, if you look at the cowboys,

[00:48:00] [SPEAKER_02]: they spend an NFL terms not in pure, I'd say dollar figures. They spend the least amount of cash

[00:48:08] [SPEAKER_02]: of any team. Now it's like cash in NFL salary concern, you're off the Google it.

[00:48:15] [SPEAKER_02]: There are smarter people who know the NFL salary cap more than I do.

[00:48:18] [SPEAKER_02]: But the also I'd say more commonly digestible cowboys' knowledge is the Mariners have played

[00:48:24] [SPEAKER_02]: multiple championship games more often than the Dallas Cowboys have since the 90s.

[00:48:31] [SPEAKER_02]: To Seattle Mariners, more than America's football team.

[00:48:37] [SPEAKER_02]: So if you wonder what an organizational structure has did to the number one football franchise in the

[00:48:45] [SPEAKER_02]: NFL in the 90s and the success in air quotes because there hasn't been any.

[00:48:52] [SPEAKER_02]: It has led them over the 20, nearly 30 years since then. It's pretty apparent.

[00:49:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And guess what? The Mariners are not worth $10 billion. They do not rake in the money that the

[00:49:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Dallas Cowboys do every single Sunday where they get 100,000 fans in Jerry World and probably

[00:49:14] [SPEAKER_02]: pocket tens of millions of dollars off of each of those games before the revenue split.

[00:49:20] [SPEAKER_02]: At the TV revenue split at the NFL level, which what is the NFL make per year?

[00:49:26] [SPEAKER_02]: TV it's like a billion dollars was more than that. Or regardless, the big bat chunk of cash,

[00:49:31] [SPEAKER_02]: the Mariners don't have available to them that the Cowboys get and the Cowboys still managed

[00:49:36] [SPEAKER_02]: to be mediocre. What happens if you have none of those resources and none of the accountability

[00:49:41] [SPEAKER_02]: in that sense? Tim Stanton very well could have a good baseball mind, a good process for building

[00:49:49] [SPEAKER_02]: a majorly roster and could be an extremely likable dude who you and we've not met him.

[00:49:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Never met him before. But what if he messes up? Like what if like we think Jerry's process is sound,

[00:50:05] [SPEAKER_02]: but Jerry's messed up this year. His current roster kind of stinks. And sometimes when your

[00:50:11] [SPEAKER_02]: roster stinks, even if your process is bad, you get canned. What happens if the same thing happens?

[00:50:17] [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I was going to say. You can keep going here in a second, but to that point,

[00:50:21] [SPEAKER_01]: that's the whole reason we're sitting here having this conversation right now.

[00:50:24] [SPEAKER_01]: It's the whole reason is is the lack of success on Jerry to Poto's end going to end up being

[00:50:32] [SPEAKER_01]: the reason he could potentially not be here next year. We're sitting here having this very conversation.

[00:50:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Is that conversation even relevant? If that's who you hired to be the GM? Because again,

[00:50:46] [SPEAKER_01]: how is there any level of accountability if that were to happen?

[00:50:53] [SPEAKER_02]: There wouldn't be. So we hope, I hope he gets hired as a GM somewhere else.

[00:51:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Or you can just stay in the role he's in now. That's fine. And I'm going to be clear. I'm not exactly

[00:51:07] [SPEAKER_02]: sure what a baseball administration that title means. I don't know what he does on a day-to-day

[00:51:14] [SPEAKER_02]: but he's around Jerry to Poto and Justin Holland or Nanny McKay. So I'm sure he knows what the

[00:51:19] [SPEAKER_02]: inner workings of running a front office is. He sees it every single day. I'm sure.

[00:51:26] [SPEAKER_02]: But for the best of the manners, like when stuff structures like that, even as much as John,

[00:51:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure loves his son, it's not a very healthy way to operate a power structure within an organization.

[00:51:41] [SPEAKER_02]: You need different viewpoints because if you don't have different viewpoints,

[00:51:46] [SPEAKER_02]: then you can't balance out mistakes. That's what it is. You want people to have the same general idea

[00:51:53] [SPEAKER_02]: but if you all come at it from the same way, then you can't see the flaws in your process. We all

[00:51:59] [SPEAKER_01]: have flaws. Nobody's perfect. No. And man, like we've put up with a lot as Mariners fans, we really

[00:52:10] [SPEAKER_01]: have. But if all of a sudden there was a, what type of like government system is it when

[00:52:20] [SPEAKER_01]: like there's a king ruling and and or a monarchy? Or monarchy? Sorry. It is a monarchy, right?

[00:52:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Like we put up with so much but how much more, like as Mariners fans, all Mariners fans

[00:52:34] [SPEAKER_01]: have, how much more could you put up with? If all of a sudden on top of all the lack of winning

[00:52:39] [SPEAKER_01]: and all the lack of spending, then all of a sudden the team legitimately is running a monarchy.

[00:52:47] [SPEAKER_01]: What if they increase the budget for Tim stand? Sure. Great because this team needs more money

[00:52:55] [SPEAKER_02]: but would they do that? Probably not because not everyone's kids the GM.

[00:53:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Just John. Again, this is total pure speculation but you know what? He's high up in baseball

[00:53:11] [SPEAKER_01]: ops and the Mariners made an in-house hire with the snap of a finger after firing Scott

[00:53:18] [SPEAKER_01]: service. If that's their process, who's to say they don't do that again and once you get past Jerry

[00:53:24] [SPEAKER_01]: in Justin who in this scenario we said would not hypothetically be here in the scenario.

[00:53:30] [SPEAKER_01]: There aren't that many more people that rank ahead and I got to tell you like,

[00:53:37] [SPEAKER_01]: again he may be qualified for the job. He may be good at the job at least for a period of time

[00:53:41] [SPEAKER_01]: but I'm petrified of that scenario because again if if the if the tide's turn one day

[00:53:47] [SPEAKER_01]: and he is not doing the job well, he like he may never ever get fired.

[00:53:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I have a solution for the Mariners to make the right decision. Ready? In a time of crisis,

[00:53:59] [SPEAKER_02]: who do the Mariners need to call? Ghostbusters? The vice president of common sense. Something

[00:54:07] [SPEAKER_01]: they've been sorely lacking. You totally did not pick up on that super smooth transition. I just

[00:54:13] [SPEAKER_01]: put down right there. Well, I heard the Ghostbusters. Well you said who are you going to call?

[00:54:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I know well, I got that part but I was always going to go to the vice president of common

[00:54:24] [SPEAKER_02]: sense. By the way, shows up to the press box for almost every home game. Don't even need to go anywhere.

[00:54:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Ryan Davis? Yeah. Great and it's the money things and if he says that's the stupidest thing

[00:54:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I've ever heard in my life then guess what you don't do it. And if he retires and goes to Montana,

[00:54:40] [SPEAKER_02]: guess what? You can text them or call him. Yeah. He's available. He said that's kind of work he wants to

[00:54:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I also said because consulting work is like the easiest money ever made.

[00:54:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Bingo. And you know what? We know the Mariners have money to spend on some things.

[00:54:56] [SPEAKER_02]: So why don't you make, why don't you make, make right a check for Ryan Davis for one question.

[00:55:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Should we hire Tim Stanton as our GM? We said the Mariners have money to spend on some things.

[00:55:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Fireworks and Bobbleheads as Mark for Maple Valley would say. Fireworks, Bobbleheads,

[00:55:14] [SPEAKER_02]: the Press Club, the Box Yard. Just not one. Sodo. No. Not show hey. No. Not even.

[00:55:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Tony Taters. Yeah. Are you any of Swars is contract? Yeah. Yeah.

[00:55:31] [SPEAKER_01]: $10 million he was going to make this year. So yeah that's what they should do. I think that's the

[00:55:38] [SPEAKER_02]: conclusion I'm going to come to here. They should call Ryan Davis. All right. I would never say

[00:55:44] [SPEAKER_01]: out of who are you going to call Ryan Davis. Yeah. But he, but oh, but he has to do press conferences.

[00:55:52] [SPEAKER_02]: No. You mean you're going to put him up there on the podium?

[00:55:58] [SPEAKER_01]: And and and he's be he'd be taking questions from people. He already just well knows every single person

[00:56:04] [SPEAKER_01]: in that media. That would be funny and he'd be giving everyone an ask him about baseball.

[00:56:10] [SPEAKER_02]: No. Ryan, who are your five least favorite people on planet earth?

[00:56:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Or if they're asking him about front office transactions, like imagine one of us especially me try to ask

[00:56:20] [SPEAKER_01]: them a question. I'm sorry when you get shorts that go below the knees all answer.

[00:56:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Ryan is one of the five players you hate the most in the Mariners Clubhouse currently.

[00:56:39] [SPEAKER_01]: No, because it's not Richie Sex and Jeremy Reed, etc. Eric Bredard. Yeah.

[00:56:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Mike Leak. I don't know if he didn't like Mike Leak. He hasn't said him.

[00:56:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Who was the other one? He said, oh, uh Casey Cotchman. Casey Cotchman. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm pretty sure

[00:56:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Figgins wasn't easy to deal with either. No. Or Milton Bradley. Well, this is where we're at people.

[00:57:04] [SPEAKER_01]: We don't know if Jerry's really going to get fired or not, but in terms of the state of the Mariners

[00:57:08] [SPEAKER_01]: it is one upon a time they had a 10 game lead in the AOS two and a half months ago. Now we're

[00:57:14] [SPEAKER_01]: sitting here talking about a total change in managerial and coaching staffs,

[00:57:22] [SPEAKER_01]: or managerial staff coaching staff and front office. That managerial staff's not thing. The manager

[00:57:26] [SPEAKER_02]: coaching staff front office. Here we are, Lion. It's just another September and Mariners land. I'm

[00:57:39] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah. Well, I was going to say maybe things will turn around, but that's not a good stop it.

[00:57:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we'll see where things go from here. We'll keep podcasting. We're going to keep on

[00:57:52] [SPEAKER_01]: things to talk about. We want to get you guys involved. I think we're going to do a mailback show

[00:57:55] [SPEAKER_01]: for Friday so we can take all of your guys' questions and send those in. You know, you can DM

[00:58:00] [SPEAKER_01]: it to us, Twitter, Instagram. You can ask us on YouTube, all that stuff. We'll put out all the

[00:58:05] [SPEAKER_01]: polls for it and everything. So that'll be Friday but until then that just about wraps up this

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