Episode 169: Reacting To The Mariners Latest PR Blunder

[00:00:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to Episode 169 of the Marine Layer Podcast.

[00:00:04] [SPEAKER_01]: We have made it one day into the offseason and the Mariners already have a PR disaster on their hands.

[00:00:10] [SPEAKER_01]: We'll react to it.

[00:00:37] [SPEAKER_00]: We'll do it.

[00:00:38] [SPEAKER_00]: We'll get the money.

[00:00:39] [SPEAKER_00]: We will do it, but we need your help guys.

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[00:00:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Seriously, we get enough money.

[00:00:48] [SPEAKER_00]: We'll put a bid in for the team.

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[00:00:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Let's get it rolling.

[00:00:57] [SPEAKER_01]: And we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Layer Podcast, part of the Just Baseball Podcast Network.

[00:01:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Recording on the first day of the Mariners offseason on Monday, September 30th.

[00:01:22] [SPEAKER_01]: How does this keep happening, Vile?

[00:01:24] [SPEAKER_01]: We made it less than a day into the Mariners offseason and there's already a Seattle Times article published by Friends of the Podcast, Adam Jude and Ryan Davis talking about the Mariners offseason spending strategy.

[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_01]: In specifics, with quotes, how does this keep happening?

[00:01:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. Are we going to structure this show like I'm going to do a mini rant here to start.

[00:01:52] [SPEAKER_00]: We'll explain what's going on and then we're basically probably just going to rip off our thoughts the rest of the way.

[00:01:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Let's explain first.

[00:01:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:01:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's lay the details first.

[00:02:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I highly recommend to the listeners of this podcast, if you have not read the piece from Adam Jude and Ryan Davis published in the Seattle Times on Monday, go read it before you listen to this episode.

[00:02:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Please go read it because that is going to be the premise of this entire episode.

[00:02:18] [SPEAKER_01]: There are quotes here from an interview the Seattle Times did with John Stanton in June and quotes with Jerry DePoto from this past Saturday during the final series of the regular season that are focused specifically on the Mariners offseason.

[00:02:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Specifically on spending and spending this offseason increasing payroll and their approach to team building.

[00:02:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Lyle, what specific points did they make?

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_00]: All right, we can get into this.

[00:02:44] [SPEAKER_00]: But you know what? I didn't even answer your original question that'd be a bad I'd be a bad co-host if I didn't answer your first question of how does this keep happening?

[00:02:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Short and sweet. We'll get into it here more in a minute.

[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_00]: They just cannot stop talking.

[00:02:56] [SPEAKER_00]: That's that's the question.

[00:02:58] [SPEAKER_00]: That's how this happens.

[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_00]: They can't stop talking.

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_00]: So now we can get into it.

[00:03:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, how much of this should we outline?

[00:03:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Look, here's what the Mariners said.

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_00]: This was in the Seattle Times article.

[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_00]: They actually said payroll is going to go up.

[00:03:13] [SPEAKER_00]: We can start this show on a little bit of a high note because it's going to be about the only the only high note in this entire episode.

[00:03:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Payroll is going to go up.

[00:03:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Now if you listen to Monday's episode which we recommend that you do,

[00:03:24] [SPEAKER_00]: we explained that that's only really going to go up in the most part because they're going to pay a bunch of guys in arbitration who are due money.

[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_00]: So what do you do? You're not going to be like the raise and trade guys away.

[00:03:33] [SPEAKER_00]: We're not giving you orange slices and a pat on the back.

[00:03:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Other than that,

[00:03:39] [SPEAKER_00]: they said that despite payroll going up,

[00:03:42] [SPEAKER_00]: they will be targeting nobody in the deep end of the free agency pool this winter.

[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_00]: So as Adam Jude outlines in the article,

[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_00]: no on Soto, no Alex Bregman, no Peter Lonzo.

[00:03:54] [SPEAKER_00]: If you want to further read the tea leaves,

[00:03:55] [SPEAKER_00]: probably means no Anthony Santander who's going to get a lot of money.

[00:03:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Might even mean the next wave of guys,

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_00]: guys who we've talked about would be great fits on this team like Christian Walker and Willi Adamus

[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_00]: because if they're not going to commit real years in money

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_00]: and those couple of guys are probably going to get at least three to four year deals.

[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Adamus maybe much more because he's so young.

[00:04:14] [SPEAKER_00]: He's 28, 29.

[00:04:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe not those guys either.

[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_00]: So there's point number one and I'd say that is the biggest outlining piece of this article

[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_00]: and the main headline people are taking away.

[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Do we stop there or do I keep explaining other parts?

[00:04:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, there's some further outline to that very point that they articulate

[00:04:34] [SPEAKER_01]: that the reason they're not signing those players is not because they don't have the resources

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_01]: aka the money to buy those players they choose not to.

[00:04:46] [SPEAKER_01]: That's the big point.

[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_01]: That's the big point.

[00:04:49] [SPEAKER_01]: That's the big point here.

[00:04:50] [SPEAKER_01]: There's also a point in here where they talk about building the team the quote unquote right way

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_01]: but we can table that for later on in this podcast.

[00:04:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Lyle, I'm going to give you some string.

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_00]: So just we are literally outlining the like headline,

[00:05:05] [SPEAKER_00]: not the headlines but like how we divvy up this podcast on the fly here.

[00:05:09] [SPEAKER_00]: So, okay, we're going piece by piece in this article and just reacting.

[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:05:13] [SPEAKER_00]: What are we doing?

[00:05:15] [SPEAKER_00]: What is the what are these quotes first off?

[00:05:19] [SPEAKER_00]: You know what?

[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Let me come back down to earth.

[00:05:21] [SPEAKER_00]: I like I'm going to do some screaming on this podcast.

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure but I can't be 25 straight minutes of it.

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_00]: I look like let me take people behind the curtain for a second.

[00:05:30] [SPEAKER_00]: I was seeing red earlier when I saw this article when I started reading it and seeing all the comments.

[00:05:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I was seeing red.

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_00]: I was so mad because I just wanted to reset and take a mental health break from this season.

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_00]: We can't do that.

[00:05:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_00]: What do you benefit from putting these quotes out there?

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_00]: If you, I mean we could get into the whole MO and how of this team and how they operate things and maybe we will.

[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_00]: But if you're just talking about the quotes that were put in this article, why are you spewing them?

[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_00]: If you simply don't say them, don't sign SOTO.

[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Don't sign Santander.

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Look, people are going to be mad.

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_00]: We'd be mad but it at least saves you from another PR nightmare.

[00:06:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Why are you actively putting out to the press, to the media?

[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Look at us.

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_00]: We're not going to spend on the big free agents because we don't believe in it.

[00:06:28] [SPEAKER_00]: It's not how we do business.

[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Like they're almost bragging about it.

[00:06:33] [SPEAKER_01]: And it goes to the point that they're claiming they built the team the right way.

[00:06:38] [SPEAKER_01]: To which I ask, what is building the team the right way?

[00:06:43] [SPEAKER_01]: What is it?

[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_01]: You know what?

[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_01]: In my opinion, building a team the right way is one that puts a banner up in the outfield.

[00:06:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Right?

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_00]: That sounds right to me.

[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I was going to say missing the playoffs 22 times in 23 years.

[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Or you could look at this regime, which their entire strategy has been building the team the quote unquote right way.

[00:07:05] [SPEAKER_01]: And they have one playoff appearance in nine seasons to show for it.

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Is that the right way?

[00:07:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's a lot of fun players on the roster.

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Right?

[00:07:16] [SPEAKER_01]: No.

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_01]: No, that's not right.

[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Not totally.

[00:07:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Right is winning the division and making the playoffs multiple times.

[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_01]: That's the right way.

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_01]: It's insisting that they're right.

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_01]: That's the problem.

[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Insisting that their strategy is the correct strategy to use when on the field, it's not.

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_01]: The wins and losses have shown this has not been the perfect strategy.

[00:07:39] [SPEAKER_01]: This has not been the strategy that every other team in baseball looks to when they're trying to build a successful baseball team.

[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_01]: They take parts of it.

[00:07:48] [SPEAKER_01]: The development has been fantastic in the minor leagues.

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_01]: But obviously it hasn't been good enough because here we are sitting on September 30th and there will be no playoff baseball on Tuesday when the playoffs start.

[00:08:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Not for the Mariners.

[00:08:02] [SPEAKER_00]: You know what?

[00:08:03] [SPEAKER_00]: I totally realized I buried this lead, so I'm not going to bury it any further.

[00:08:07] [SPEAKER_00]: This article in a whole of these comments is a whole.

[00:08:10] [SPEAKER_00]: If you look at our social posts today, I said this, let me not bury it any further.

[00:08:14] [SPEAKER_00]: These comments that were made by ownership today are worse than the 54% comments.

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that's going to be a hot take to some of you.

[00:08:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you think that's a little crazy.

[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Let me explain and we were talking to our friend, Tied Engins-Ales about it too, who hosts the Lockdown Mariners pod.

[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Are these quotes going to make the headlines of 54% nationally?

[00:08:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe not.

[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_00]: It might not quite get to that point.

[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_00]: But the words that were said were worse because what 54% was was Jerry basically doing a word salad and saying too many things within an answer in a press conference.

[00:08:48] [SPEAKER_00]: To where he started talking about what the organization's baseball theory can often be.

[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Which again, if you want to really dive into that.

[00:08:58] [SPEAKER_01]: He tried to mansplain to the media.

[00:09:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Which again, like we'll say it again, is the actual logic he used behind that totally wrong?

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_00]: No, I think everybody understands at this point that yes, if over a 10 year stretch you win 54% of your games, you will often be successful.

[00:09:16] [SPEAKER_00]: It's just again saying that in that time to that fan base after missing the playoffs was very, very tone death and not the right time for it.

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe there was never any right time for that.

[00:09:27] [SPEAKER_00]: That should just be something that's kept in house.

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, that was DePoto saying that which by the way he has to have that mindset because ownership forces him to have that mindset because they handcuff him and the rest of the front office by the amount of money they let him spend because they're handcuffed by payroll every year.

[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_00]: So that's DePoto why I think these quotes are worse.

[00:09:49] [SPEAKER_00]: This is the top of the organization.

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_00]: These are your owners, the people that run the team have all the final decisions that are saying look at us.

[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Look at us.

[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_00]: We have money.

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_00]: We have money to spend, but one Soto is not worth our time.

[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_00]: He's not worth our time.

[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_00]: He's not worth our investment.

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_00]: He's not worth our dedication and that is what we believe and build our strategy around.

[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_00]: That's why I think these quotes are worse than 54%.

[00:10:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't understand how John Stanton who gave this interview back in June thought these quotes would benefit the organization.

[00:10:24] [SPEAKER_01]: How when he's talking you don't realize at that moment this is going to be a PR nightmare.

[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_01]: And ultimately credit the times when they had they have this quote and they realized well running a quote about free agents.

[00:10:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, okay, this is speculation.

[00:10:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know this for a fact.

[00:10:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm speculating.

[00:10:44] [SPEAKER_01]: They have a quote about free agents.

[00:10:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Free agents doesn't ring as much in June, but the first day of the off season after you miss the playoffs by a game.

[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes it does.

[00:10:55] [SPEAKER_01]: So then that leads us to this fact, Lyle.

[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Why can't we get one day into the off season without the Mariners entering a PR nightmare?

[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Why not?

[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Why does Mariners ownership have to be on the record saying they choose not to sign free agents?

[00:11:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Why does that have to be a thing?

[00:11:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Why do you have to brag about that?

[00:11:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Tell me.

[00:11:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Why do you have to brag about that?

[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Who's going to be happy besides the state the shareholders?

[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Nobody.

[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_01]: And you know why like this is so maddening when this is your strategy?

[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Because if you dive into that answer, you'll realize that they have tried everything else besides signing that top tier free agency.

[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_01]: They've signed middle tier free agents.

[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_01]: They've signed lower tier free agents.

[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_01]: They've traded for established big leaguers.

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_01]: They have traded for big leaguers on the upswing and they have developed multiple top 100 hitting prospects.

[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And you know what they have not still yet to do, Lyle?

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Have an offense that's consistent enough to make the playoffs more than one year.

[00:12:09] [SPEAKER_01]: That's what we're doing here.

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_01]: So when this quote comes out and all of those facts are true about what this organization has tried to continue to say that it's the right thing to do

[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_01]: and it's the right way to run your organization is wrong.

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's wrong.

[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_01]: What else do you need to do?

[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_01]: What else could you possibly try besides that?

[00:12:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Because what you've done in the past has not been good enough.

[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's funny when you look at the success rate of each of those avenues developing tons of hits and misses trading for upswing big leaguers.

[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_00]: There's been some hits and misses signing mid tier free agents on in that regard.

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_00]: There's been some decent misses trading for established big leaguers.

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_00]: There's been some hits and misses.

[00:12:58] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, when you look at them signing top tier free agents, let's just like look back at some over the last 10 years.

[00:13:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Here's who comes to mind.

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_00]: I'll count extensions here too.

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Robinson Cano, we can get to this in a minute, but just to outline this for 20 seconds, 10 years, $240 million.

[00:13:16] [SPEAKER_00]: He was great.

[00:13:16] [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to dive further into that in a minute.

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Nelson Cruz, four years, $57 million.

[00:13:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the best free agent signing you have ever made for the money you paid him and the production you got.

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Kyle Seager's extension.

[00:13:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Seven years, $100 million.

[00:13:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I would say most of that was well worth it.

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Felix's extension.

[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_00]: You can argue that a part of that one did not work out because at about the 2017 mark, he started to really fall off.

[00:13:43] [SPEAKER_00]: So fine.

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_00]: You argue that one how you want.

[00:13:45] [SPEAKER_00]: He was still pretty good before that.

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I see a lot of contracts in there that worked out.

[00:13:53] [SPEAKER_00]: So why are you so sure this doesn't work?

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Look at the ones you have made where it's worked.

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I would say the Robbie Ray one has worked too.

[00:14:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Not to the Mariners favor, but if they kept Robbie Ray, I would have said it would have been a success.

[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Based on how Robbie looked this year when he came back from injury and how he looked in that first season.

[00:14:11] [SPEAKER_01]: That's a success.

[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:14:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Let me pull that up for just one second.

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And Robbie, by the way, a top tier free agent.

[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Not a middle class free agent, but when we say they haven't signed top tier free agents, it's on the hitting side, not on the pitching side.

[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Robbie Ray makes them into the top tier of pitching free agents, but the hitters.

[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Robbie Ray by baseball reference in 2022 put up above a two win season.

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_00]: He got $23 million a year.

[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Is that what it was?

[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_00]: They say one war is worth about $8 million.

[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_00]: So he was a little below the production.

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_00]: He had a bad start to the year.

[00:14:49] [SPEAKER_00]: I also think to your point, if you had kept him.

[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, he would have been mostly worth it.

[00:14:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[00:14:56] [SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, exactly that.

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Even if you want to count that one as more on the downside.

[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_00]: If that's one of the worst contracts you've ever given out, that's not so bad.

[00:15:08] [SPEAKER_00]: It really, really isn't.

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_01]: The fact they highlight Robinson Cano in this article really troubles me.

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Really troubles me.

[00:15:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Here's point number two.

[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure in this segment, vocals are going to get elevated.

[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_00]: But the Mariners said that they are still scarred by the Robinson Cano contract.

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_00]: In fact, if you want the exact wording that they used in the article, they said the

[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_00]: scars of the Robinson Cano contract 11 years later still feel like a fresh wound for

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_00]: the Seattle Mariners.

[00:15:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, my friend.

[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_00]: A wound.

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_00]: A wound.

[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_00]: A wound.

[00:15:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, if you go to this great Twitter account, I can't recommend it enough.

[00:15:57] [SPEAKER_00]: It's called what is it again?

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, oh, it's the Marine Lyre podcast.

[00:16:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's funny.

[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_00]: They put out this tweet today.

[00:16:03] [SPEAKER_00]: I would say these guys are a couple of ball knowers.

[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_00]: I've never met them myself, but seem to seem like pretty knowledgeable guys.

[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's the Marine Lyre pod one more time.

[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_00]: They tweet today.

[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Robinson Cano in Seattle for his career had an OPS of 826 and OPS plus.

[00:16:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Of 129.

[00:16:20] [SPEAKER_00]: He made three All-Star games.

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_00]: He finished top 10 in the ALMBP voting twice.

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_00]: He was a major reason that Nelson Cruz ever signed here.

[00:16:30] [SPEAKER_00]: There is no way Nelson Cruz is signing in Seattle without all of the recruitment that

[00:16:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Robbie did for him.

[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_00]: And the fact him being here gave Nellie the inkling that this team was allegedly

[00:16:40] [SPEAKER_00]: going to compete.

[00:16:42] [SPEAKER_00]: There was that.

[00:16:43] [SPEAKER_00]: And then when all that happened with Robbie after the five years went by and they

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_00]: decided to trade him, he was packaged away for a deal that got you back multiple top 100

[00:16:54] [SPEAKER_00]: prospects in the time of a rebuild.

[00:16:56] [SPEAKER_00]: You dumped all of his money nearly and one of those guys you got back in the trade

[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_00]: ended up being a blue chip prospect and debuted as top five prospect in all of baseball.

[00:17:08] [SPEAKER_00]: So let me ask where the fuck are the wounds?

[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Where I want to physically see them on this organization.

[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I want to physically see where they're hurting.

[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_00]: They made you money.

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_00]: They won you games.

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_00]: He made all-star appearances.

[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_00]: He finished top 10 in MBP voting.

[00:17:25] [SPEAKER_00]: You dumped all his money and you got blue chippers back for him.

[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Where are your scars?

[00:17:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Where?

[00:17:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_01]: We'll let the moment breathe a little bit.

[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Good.

[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I think the sound is still bouncing around.

[00:17:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Three, two, one.

[00:17:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.

[00:17:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_01]: So no, to answer your question there are no wounds.

[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_01]: It's the perception of how Robinson can knows time in Seattle when is jarringly different

[00:17:52] [SPEAKER_01]: from how it's presented in this article, which I'm going to assume they've got some

[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_01]: sourcing on that within the organization on some reasoning on why they don't spend

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_01]: is because of that.

[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_01]: The perception of that versus the perception we have of the Mariners for the first

[00:18:14] [SPEAKER_01]: time in our lives at that point for you and I, Lyle, them signing a real player, a legit

[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_01]: player, a star, up the middle star on this team.

[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_01]: And he performed up to par.

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_01]: And to use that to twist it into a negative 10 years later, unwilling to add a player

[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_01]: of that caliber or even less of that caliber to your roster, which remember when Robby

[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_01]: signed at that time, that was not a World Series contending roster.

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_01]: He wasn't coming here as the finishing piece to a young roster that was blossoming and

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_01]: ready to go win a title.

[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_01]: That wasn't the case.

[00:18:56] [SPEAKER_01]: To use that as an excuse to not add that kind of player to this current team, which

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_01]: could be one blue chip player like that away from winning a World Series saying

[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_01]: that if we added 2014 Robinson Cano onto the 2025 Mariners, oh man, that World Series

[00:19:14] [SPEAKER_01]: in 2025 wouldn't be worth it because we'd have to pay his contract into 2030.

[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Wouldn't be worth it.

[00:19:20] [SPEAKER_01]: That doesn't sound worth it to me, Lyle.

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_01]: $24 million in 2030 offsets a 2025 World Series.

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_00]: So what exactly are their gripes with Robinson Cano?

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Is it because he got busted for PEDs?

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, he got busted for PEDs.

[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_00]: He got suspended 80 games.

[00:19:37] [SPEAKER_00]: When you at the deadline decided we're going to acquire Zach Duke, Adam Warren and Cameron

[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybin because they wouldn't spend any more money.

[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_00]: When Robby was coming back about two weeks after the deadline, you were going to get

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_00]: them back, you had the chance to make a run and you decided, oh, common theme

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_00]: here on this episode.

[00:19:53] [SPEAKER_00]: No, we're not going to spend any more money and give you any more money to

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_00]: spend at the deadline.

[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Wow, they signed a player who was busted for PEDs.

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_01]: They gave Nelson Cruz a four year contract after he'd been busted for PEDs.

[00:20:08] [SPEAKER_01]: So don't tell me that's an excuse.

[00:20:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously you don't care.

[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_01]: The only reason you would care is if you don't perform.

[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_01]: And you know what happened to Nelson Cruz?

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_01]: He had the best four years of his career in Seattle.

[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_01]: So no one thought otherwise.

[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_01]: It sucks for Nellie.

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_01]: He's awesome, but yeah, he got caught and so did Robby.

[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_00]: I've talked about this plenty this year.

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I really, really like Jorge Polanco again.

[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Like quiet dude, but really, really nice, friendly, love talking to him.

[00:20:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Just objectively speaking about his career, he got popped for PEDs at one

[00:20:39] [SPEAKER_00]: point in his career.

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Didn't stop the Mariners from trading him, but I have seen that narrative a few

[00:20:43] [SPEAKER_00]: times that they weren't happy after he got busted for PEDs.

[00:20:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Like that cannot possibly be the reasoning why you're afraid to give out

[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_00]: a big contract.

[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_01]: You know what, Lyle?

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not happy when the team's not good enough.

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Is that clear?

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Also, if we're going to try to even slightly balance this out with some

[00:21:03] [SPEAKER_00]: positive while we're talking about the day the Mariners signed Robby.

[00:21:06] [SPEAKER_00]: First off, can you believe we're probably going to sit here and say that is a

[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Mount Rushmore day in our Mariners fandom?

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty close.

[00:21:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I remember I left for school and I thought they weren't signing him

[00:21:18] [SPEAKER_01]: because what was it?

[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Jay-Z stormed out of the room negotiating with Jack C.

[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_01]: If I remember that correctly.

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Can I tell you my story?

[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_01]: And then second period, I got the notification he signed.

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_01]: That was pretty cool.

[00:21:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Second period Spanish.

[00:21:35] [SPEAKER_00]: And what did you do?

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I did like a fist pump.

[00:21:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I turned it at the kid next to me who was not a Mariners fan at all.

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, you know the Mariners signed this guy?

[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, I don't know what you're talking about.

[00:21:45] [SPEAKER_00]: We have two very...

[00:21:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Your story is probably a little bit more intensive reaction than mine is.

[00:21:51] [SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, that's on brand with what this is about to be anyway.

[00:21:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:21:55] [SPEAKER_00]: I was going to say in shocking fashion for anybody that knows this podcast is probably going to

[00:22:00] [SPEAKER_00]: not shock anybody.

[00:22:01] [SPEAKER_00]: So I was in first period that day when back what I didn't have Twitter and all that stuff

[00:22:07] [SPEAKER_00]: and like you still had to go on ESPN.com or MLB.com to look for stories.

[00:22:11] [SPEAKER_00]: I remember refreshing it constantly and then seeing that Robbie signed.

[00:22:15] [SPEAKER_00]: I remember I was in math first period, which as everybody knows who tunes into this podcast,

[00:22:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I just spies every single second.

[00:22:21] [SPEAKER_00]: I was in a high school class ever just about every class ever period.

[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_00]: So as I'm just bored out of my mind, obviously on my computer going on ESPN.com,

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_00]: well, there's probably a lesson going on.

[00:22:33] [SPEAKER_00]: I see that at the top of the headlines all of a sudden breaking cano to M's final like

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Mariners finalized 10 years, $240 million.

[00:22:40] [SPEAKER_00]: I remember I like almost fell out of my seat.

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Like my jaw is like almost on the floor.

[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, I don't even know what to do.

[00:22:48] [SPEAKER_00]: And like, I don't even care.

[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I get up and basically was like, I'll be right back.

[00:22:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I got to go to the bathroom or something like that.

[00:22:55] [SPEAKER_00]: I like I near sprinted down to the bathroom, made sure nobody was in there.

[00:23:00] [SPEAKER_00]: There was nobody in there.

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and I just started screaming like just screaming in the Elb in the Lake

[00:23:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Washington High School bathroom.

[00:23:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Like just like let's go and and there was probably some and there was

[00:23:11] [SPEAKER_00]: probably some expletives in there or whatever.

[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm just losing my mind.

[00:23:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I needed like a I needed a nice like break from the class to

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_00]: even recompose myself to get back in there.

[00:23:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was that was a Mount Rushmore day.

[00:23:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely in my Mariner Phantom.

[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_00]: And I got to tell you, I think I was on such a cloud nine that day.

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I somehow tolerated being in the rest of the five other periods after

[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_00]: first period that I dealt with that day because I was like that was one

[00:23:37] [SPEAKER_00]: of the best days I've ever gone through.

[00:23:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was pretty good.

[00:23:41] [SPEAKER_01]: And that 2014 years pretty fun.

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I think I think it was well worth it.

[00:23:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I think they could use the 2014 version of Robinson Cano on next year's team.

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, unwilling to pay for him because it wasn't worth it.

[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_01]: It was worth it for the Mariners back then, which by the way,

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_01]: this ownership group still had to approve that signing by the way.

[00:24:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Just know that same ownership group, not the majority back then,

[00:24:05] [SPEAKER_01]: but they were on the board.

[00:24:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know what?

[00:24:08] [SPEAKER_01]: That money doesn't that money doesn't clear at least to my knowledge

[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_01]: without approval from everyone.

[00:24:15] [SPEAKER_00]: You know what?

[00:24:16] [SPEAKER_00]: You know what's making me laugh just reading this article even closer

[00:24:19] [SPEAKER_00]: is another graph in this article when they're talking about who

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_00]: they will and won't spend money for.

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_00]: They write it means they won't pursue the likes of Juan Soto

[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_00]: or Peter Lanzo or Alex Bregman or any other high priced veteran.

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Listen to that last part again.

[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_00]: High priced veteran.

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I got to tell you when you've got an aging veteran like Juan

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Soto hitting free agency at 26 years old who's called the modern

[00:24:45] [SPEAKER_00]: day Ted Williams, you just have to go to the depths of the earth

[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_00]: to avoid it.

[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_00]: You just have to like you can't get anywhere near him now

[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_00]: with a 10 foot pole.

[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_00]: 26 years old.

[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean sign the guy up for a retirement home at this point.

[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_01]: You want some perspective of Juan Soto is younger than

[00:25:00] [SPEAKER_01]: both members of this podcast.

[00:25:02] [SPEAKER_01]: If you want some perspective, he's younger than both of them.

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, a grizzled veteran like Juan Soto.

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I just do the fact that we have to sit here two off seasons

[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_01]: in a row and the Mariners voluntarily dip out on two of

[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_01]: probably the 15 greatest players to ever hit free agency

[00:25:22] [SPEAKER_01]: by choice is just mind boggling.

[00:25:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I wish I had more words to describe it, Lyle, but all it

[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_01]: is is is deflating disappointment.

[00:25:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like this is a choice.

[00:25:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, this is their choice.

[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_01]: If or for some for a lot of people it's going to be when

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_01]: next year's team is still not good enough.

[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to sit here and think did we put every ounce

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_01]: of effort possible into making this roster better?

[00:25:51] [SPEAKER_01]: John Stanton in the article claims they do.

[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't think they do.

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't think they use every possible resource to

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_01]: make to win as many games as possible.

[00:26:03] [SPEAKER_00]: It's absolutely not.

[00:26:06] [SPEAKER_00]: And you're talking about this is a choice.

[00:26:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Number one, it absolutely is.

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_00]: And because this is their choice, we won't let them get away

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_00]: with doing things like this dude.

[00:26:14] [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to sit here and talk about it.

[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Like you're going to make decisions like this and then

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_00]: publicly put it out there by the way less than 24 hours

[00:26:22] [SPEAKER_00]: after the regular season ends.

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, we're going to sit here and be unhappy about it

[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_00]: as people who want to see the team be truly great.

[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_00]: And we feel like it like when you talk about finding the best

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_00]: way to create a roster, you're basically just cutting off

[00:26:37] [SPEAKER_00]: an arm and not even giving yourself a chance in one of

[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_00]: the most prolific routes.

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Not only just after the season, after one of your

[00:26:44] [SPEAKER_01]: foremost disappointing seasons this franchise has ever seen

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_01]: based on expectations and where this team is at

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_01]: in its competition window knowing you need better

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_01]: players on your roster with the main complaint throughout

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_01]: the season that you do not have enough good players

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_01]: on your roster to compete, especially offensively.

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_01]: And when the best 26 year old free agent is on the market

[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_01]: and you could put a competitive offer out to him to get

[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_01]: an everyday good player on your roster, good, great,

[00:27:17] [SPEAKER_01]: throw it all together into one bucket.

[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Hall of Famer.

[00:27:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Hall of Famer, yeah.

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_01]: You have that option to clear out, clear up the main

[00:27:25] [SPEAKER_01]: deficiency on your 2024 roster and you choose not to.

[00:27:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Well then I don't want to come back around next year

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_01]: and hear complaints from people who say, oh no,

[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_01]: this is a good roster when they get to June and

[00:27:40] [SPEAKER_01]: they're 500 again and they're underperforming

[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_01]: and the platoons aren't working out and there's

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_01]: some players they're trying to buy low on that

[00:27:49] [SPEAKER_01]: don't perform as well and we're sitting here saying,

[00:27:51] [SPEAKER_01]: okay, well, we're here again and there's not

[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_01]: enough good players on the roster.

[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, well whose decision is that?

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_00]: And you know what's funny?

[00:27:59] [SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't always the high man throughout this rebuild

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_00]: on just spend, spend, spend, spend, spend.

[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm still not like that.

[00:28:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Like it has to be for the right guys.

[00:28:08] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not interested in every free agent.

[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Has to be the right ones.

[00:28:12] [SPEAKER_00]: But you know what?

[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_00]: As we've outlined here in this show when you

[00:28:16] [SPEAKER_00]: have not had enough success trying every other

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_00]: route and you refuse to even attempt a certain

[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_00]: like one route, which could be very, very beneficial.

[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_00]: This is when we start to get mad because

[00:28:30] [SPEAKER_00]: you're not even giving yourself an opportunity.

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Look, I know this is probably going to sound like

[00:28:34] [SPEAKER_00]: loser talk as we say.

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_00]: We are losers here on this podcast.

[00:28:38] [SPEAKER_00]: But also if we found out that the Mariners

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_00]: made a true offer for Juan Soto,

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_00]: if we actually found out they made,

[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_00]: let's even call it a $470 million offer for Juan Soto.

[00:28:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Years, you figure it out.

[00:28:53] [SPEAKER_00]: If they did that Yankees and Metz offer more.

[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Soto doesn't want to play on the West Coast.

[00:28:59] [SPEAKER_00]: He's ultimately, it just doesn't work out.

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_00]: You know what?

[00:29:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm not going to be happy.

[00:29:03] [SPEAKER_00]: But I think, I think ownership would win a lot of points

[00:29:07] [SPEAKER_00]: with a lot of fans to see, okay, now they are

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_00]: at least at the point where they are willing

[00:29:11] [SPEAKER_00]: to make an attempt to make this happen.

[00:29:13] [SPEAKER_00]: They are willing to shell out potential resources

[00:29:15] [SPEAKER_00]: for the right guys.

[00:29:17] [SPEAKER_00]: You're taking yourselves out of the race on day one.

[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_00]: It is like when this news came out,

[00:29:25] [SPEAKER_00]: it was not even 24 hours after the season ended.

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_00]: And you've already said before the MLB playoffs

[00:29:32] [SPEAKER_00]: even start, yo, we're out.

[00:29:35] [SPEAKER_00]: As Jar Jar Binks said in the Phantom Menace,

[00:29:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I give up, I give up.

[00:29:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Like that's, that's what they did.

[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's what they'll do next year and the year after

[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_01]: and the year after.

[00:29:50] [SPEAKER_00]: And you know what?

[00:29:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Like we got to finally have this conversation.

[00:29:53] [SPEAKER_00]: We talked about it a little bit on previous podcast before.

[00:29:57] [SPEAKER_00]: We talked about it a bit on the live stream last week

[00:30:00] [SPEAKER_00]: before all of you are just so ready to say

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_00]: stand and stand and stand and stand and this,

[00:30:04] [SPEAKER_00]: stand and that.

[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Like we need to give people a reminder here.

[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Am I saying he's free of blame?

[00:30:10] [SPEAKER_00]: No.

[00:30:11] [SPEAKER_00]: I would also say he is the chairman of the ownership group,

[00:30:14] [SPEAKER_00]: which means yes, he has a sizable stake,

[00:30:18] [SPEAKER_00]: but he is the face of the ownership group,

[00:30:20] [SPEAKER_00]: aka when things need to be talked about publicly,

[00:30:23] [SPEAKER_00]: it's on him.

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_00]: He is going to be the one that speaks in case some of you

[00:30:28] [SPEAKER_00]: were not aware of this.

[00:30:30] [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of you are.

[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Some of you may not be.

[00:30:32] [SPEAKER_00]: So we need to sit here and talk about it.

[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_00]: John Stanton doesn't have the highest stake.

[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my God.

[00:30:38] [SPEAKER_00]: We're getting to the point where I'm getting so mad

[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_00]: I might lose my voice.

[00:30:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, John Stanton doesn't have the highest stake in the

[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Seattle Mariners.

[00:30:45] [SPEAKER_00]: The guy with the highest stake is a guy by the name of

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Chris Larson.

[00:30:49] [SPEAKER_00]: If you don't know that name, honestly, I don't blame

[00:30:51] [SPEAKER_00]: you because I'm half convinced this guy's a fictional

[00:30:54] [SPEAKER_00]: character.

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_00]: He is a total ghost.

[00:30:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Nobody ever sees him.

[00:30:57] [SPEAKER_00]: I have no idea if he's a games ever or not.

[00:31:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Nobody even knows who he is, but he is the highest

[00:31:03] [SPEAKER_00]: ownership stake in the team and he doesn't ever have

[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_00]: to take any accountability.

[00:31:09] [SPEAKER_00]: There is a world like we've talked about.

[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Are we guaranteeing this?

[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_00]: No.

[00:31:13] [SPEAKER_00]: But is there a world where John Stanton himself would

[00:31:16] [SPEAKER_00]: say, yeah, I'd be interested in spending more money.

[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I don't want to spend one solo, but I would be

[00:31:20] [SPEAKER_00]: interested in shelling out some money for Willi

[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Adames or Anthony Santander or whoever.

[00:31:25] [SPEAKER_00]: But it's an ownership group decision.

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_00]: This is the problem when you have like 15 to 18

[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_00]: people on this ownership group is a ton of

[00:31:32] [SPEAKER_00]: people have a say in making these decisions and

[00:31:35] [SPEAKER_00]: the guy with the highest stake in the team clearly

[00:31:39] [SPEAKER_00]: doesn't sign off on a lot of these things and also

[00:31:42] [SPEAKER_00]: doesn't have to take any accountability.

[00:31:43] [SPEAKER_00]: So if it's Chris Larson that actually shoots a bunch

[00:31:45] [SPEAKER_00]: of these ideas down, guess what?

[00:31:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Stanton has to wear it.

[00:31:49] [SPEAKER_00]: He has to put those quotes out as the face of the

[00:31:52] [SPEAKER_00]: ownership group and say this is what our

[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_00]: organizational philosophy and belief is even if

[00:31:59] [SPEAKER_00]: he hypothetically doesn't believe in that himself.

[00:32:03] [SPEAKER_00]: I'll throw it back to you here in a second.

[00:32:05] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just tired of this dude Chris Larson basically

[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_00]: hiding in the shadows all the time and not having

[00:32:10] [SPEAKER_00]: to take any accountability.

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Isn't the point of owning a team supposed to almost

[00:32:14] [SPEAKER_00]: be like a public service?

[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Almost like to give back?

[00:32:18] [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't do that?

[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Provide joy to the community, which in their

[00:32:22] [SPEAKER_01]: eyes they do to a section of the Mariners

[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_01]: fan base.

[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_01]: They do provide joy and entertainment, but to

[00:32:29] [SPEAKER_01]: people like us who would prefer to see winning,

[00:32:33] [SPEAKER_01]: it's not at the same level.

[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_01]: And let me clarify a little bit more on what

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_01]: you're talking about with the ownership group.

[00:32:40] [SPEAKER_01]: So yes, Chris Larson has the largest stake in the

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_01]: team, therefore has the largest responsibility,

[00:32:45] [SPEAKER_01]: but as you said, group, there is a board of

[00:32:48] [SPEAKER_01]: owners within the Mariners organization,

[00:32:51] [SPEAKER_01]: within the ownership group that they sit down

[00:32:55] [SPEAKER_01]: and make decisions.

[00:32:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how much voting power each person has,

[00:32:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Lyle, but Chris Larson is the public name that

[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_01]: everyone has come to know a little bit more this

[00:33:05] [SPEAKER_01]: season as opposed to past seasons.

[00:33:07] [SPEAKER_01]: John Stanton's name is plastered on the website.

[00:33:09] [SPEAKER_01]: He's very easy to find.

[00:33:11] [SPEAKER_01]: But the rest of the Mariners ownership group

[00:33:14] [SPEAKER_01]: is tricky to track down.

[00:33:16] [SPEAKER_01]: You can do a Google search.

[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_01]: There are some old lists of what the group

[00:33:20] [SPEAKER_01]: is, how much has changed in the given years,

[00:33:23] [SPEAKER_01]: like Griffy's in that group now.

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Brad Smith with Microsoft got added to that group

[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_01]: this year. They sent out a whole press release,

[00:33:32] [SPEAKER_01]: so it's pretty easy to find on that point.

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_01]: And Lyle and I confirmed shook his hand on the

[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_01]: field, so it was...

[00:33:39] [SPEAKER_01]: He's a real person.

[00:33:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I can confirm that.

[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_01]: But everyone else, we don't know who these

[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_01]: people are making these decisions.

[00:33:47] [SPEAKER_01]: You could dig enough.

[00:33:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Divish and Jude might have a better idea.

[00:33:51] [SPEAKER_01]: They have more sources than we do on how they

[00:33:54] [SPEAKER_01]: know exactly who's part of this group.

[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_01]: But it is, in summary again, like you said Lyle,

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_01]: a group decision that usually comes to the

[00:34:03] [SPEAKER_01]: conclusion of spending less money.

[00:34:05] [SPEAKER_01]: The difference between an organization like

[00:34:08] [SPEAKER_01]: the Mariners and an organization like the Mets,

[00:34:10] [SPEAKER_01]: well the Mariners are divided up amongst

[00:34:13] [SPEAKER_01]: a lot of people, including by the way

[00:34:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Nintendo, that one we also know.

[00:34:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Nintendo still owns I think 10% of the Mariners

[00:34:20] [SPEAKER_01]: and I think they're still on the board

[00:34:22] [SPEAKER_01]: of voting on decisions.

[00:34:25] [SPEAKER_01]: The Mets are 95% owned by Steve Cohen

[00:34:29] [SPEAKER_01]: and 5% by the old owners, the Will Ponds.

[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Two people in the room.

[00:34:35] [SPEAKER_01]: That's it.

[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_01]: And one...

[00:34:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Two versus 15.

[00:34:40] [SPEAKER_00]: It might not...

[00:34:41] [SPEAKER_00]: I heard somewhere gets up as high as 18.

[00:34:44] [SPEAKER_00]: We don't know exactly, but yeah,

[00:34:45] [SPEAKER_00]: like 15 to 18 people for the Mariners.

[00:34:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Where, yeah, it's two people in the room for the Mets

[00:34:49] [SPEAKER_00]: and one has the very much majority decision now

[00:34:52] [SPEAKER_00]: in Steve Cohen.

[00:34:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:34:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the less owners the better.

[00:34:56] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's the key here.

[00:34:59] [SPEAKER_01]: And also less owners means more money

[00:35:00] [SPEAKER_01]: for the principal owner.

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_01]: But the problem is if you want to shrink

[00:35:05] [SPEAKER_01]: that group down, you need to accumulate capital,

[00:35:07] [SPEAKER_01]: you need to buy people out.

[00:35:08] [SPEAKER_01]: And even if John Stanton,

[00:35:10] [SPEAKER_01]: hypothetically, was sick of Chris Larson,

[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_01]: he'd have to buy him out of a stake.

[00:35:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Who's coming up with that cash?

[00:35:17] [SPEAKER_01]: What are the Mariners worth now?

[00:35:18] [SPEAKER_01]: $3 billion?

[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I...

[00:35:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, let's say it would roughly cost

[00:35:26] [SPEAKER_01]: $800 million to get Chris Larson out of a stake.

[00:35:29] [SPEAKER_01]: That's not feasible.

[00:35:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Who's coming up with that cash?

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm telling you who.

[00:35:33] [SPEAKER_01]: The only...

[00:35:35] [SPEAKER_01]: It's the people who reply to our comments all the time

[00:35:39] [SPEAKER_01]: and are in comments everywhere about who should be

[00:35:41] [SPEAKER_01]: buying the Mariners.

[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_01]: The two names that come up are Steve Ballmer and Jeff Bezos.

[00:35:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's it.

[00:35:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Who else has that kind of cash sitting around?

[00:35:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Bill Gates.

[00:35:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Bill Gates, yeah.

[00:35:53] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, does Bill Gates care about owning a baseball team?

[00:35:56] [SPEAKER_01]: No.

[00:35:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Not really.

[00:35:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Does Jeff Bezos care about owning the Mariners?

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_01]: No.

[00:36:01] [SPEAKER_01]: He lives in Miami now anyway.

[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Why would he care about the Mariners?

[00:36:03] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a company that's here.

[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, Ballmer's the only one that makes sense.

[00:36:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe we'll just want Ballmer to bring a basketball team here.

[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:36:11] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know Ballmer.

[00:36:12] [SPEAKER_01]: He could own both.

[00:36:12] [SPEAKER_01]: He could, but that's a lot to ask from someone.

[00:36:15] [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know Ballmer's a baseball fan.

[00:36:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I think he prefers basketball, which again...

[00:36:20] [SPEAKER_00]: And you know what?

[00:36:21] [SPEAKER_01]: We want baseball fans.

[00:36:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Seriously.

[00:36:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I think the worst thing you can have is an owner who doesn't love the sport.

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I forget the Phillies owner's name, but he clearly loves baseball.

[00:36:33] [SPEAKER_01]: He's talked about it quite a lot and he says,

[00:36:35] [SPEAKER_01]: if we're not doing everything we can to win, for example,

[00:36:38] [SPEAKER_01]: like what does it mean to our fans?

[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Steve Cohen is a huge baseball fan.

[00:36:43] [SPEAKER_01]: There's someone else I'm probably missing that's a huge baseball fan

[00:36:46] [SPEAKER_01]: that invests a lot of money into their product.

[00:36:48] [SPEAKER_01]: But you get what I'm talking about.

[00:36:50] [SPEAKER_01]: The Steinbrenners loved baseball.

[00:36:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Why are the Yankees the way they are?

[00:36:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Because the Steinbrenners truly loved baseball.

[00:36:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Almost loved it too much to the point where you would lose a series and get fired.

[00:37:01] [SPEAKER_01]: So, like, that thing really matters.

[00:37:05] [SPEAKER_01]: So if you were to bring someone in here who didn't care about the product,

[00:37:08] [SPEAKER_01]: even if they had more money, we might be stuck with the same issues.

[00:37:14] [SPEAKER_00]: So again, what's the solution?

[00:37:16] [SPEAKER_00]: You heard it at the start of this episode.

[00:37:18] [SPEAKER_00]: The only way we here at the Marine Layer Pod can put in a bid to buy the Seattle Mariners

[00:37:22] [SPEAKER_00]: and start spending all the necessary money to bring in top free agents

[00:37:27] [SPEAKER_00]: is if everybody subscribes to these podcasts and downloads these episodes.

[00:37:30] [SPEAKER_00]: So you want to get the campaign going.

[00:37:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Hashtag thank you Marine Layer Pod.

[00:37:35] [SPEAKER_00]: It's the only way to do it.

[00:37:37] [SPEAKER_00]: So help us out.

[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Who's the chairman?

[00:37:40] [SPEAKER_00]: What's that?

[00:37:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Who's the chairman?

[00:37:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, rock paper scissors.

[00:37:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that might be how we're going to have to settle it.

[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_00]: How about a game of ping pong?

[00:37:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely not.

[00:37:55] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's a good idea.

[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Unless you really want to be chairman.

[00:37:58] [SPEAKER_01]: You really want it?

[00:38:00] [SPEAKER_01]: You want to tell that?

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_00]: You can take the face of the blame.

[00:38:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Everybody says fire.

[00:38:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Everybody says fire, Matthewson.

[00:38:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they don't want to get fired instead.

[00:38:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Or just sell the team, Matthewson?

[00:38:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[00:38:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, hopefully their approval rating wouldn't get that low.

[00:38:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Again, just for people that haven't heard all this before

[00:38:22] [SPEAKER_00]: that maybe haven't done all their due diligence homework.

[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like I think everybody in these comments is always

[00:38:29] [SPEAKER_00]: stand and stand and stand and I would do your homework on Chris Larson.

[00:38:35] [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I would say.

[00:38:35] [SPEAKER_00]: I think he deserves a lot more of the blame pie than a lot of fans give him.

[00:38:42] [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of people have understood it at this point, not everybody.

[00:38:45] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's real.

[00:38:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I got to say, I mean, I know we've just got a couple minutes

[00:38:50] [SPEAKER_00]: so we wrap this podcast up.

[00:38:53] [SPEAKER_00]: But like why do they make this so hard?

[00:38:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I just like the two of us love baseball

[00:38:59] [SPEAKER_00]: and we love the Mariners and we love doing this podcast.

[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_00]: We have a passion for it genuinely.

[00:39:05] [SPEAKER_00]: We love what we do.

[00:39:07] [SPEAKER_00]: But and with that, like we love what we've created.

[00:39:13] [SPEAKER_00]: But man, I am so tired of having to talk about stories like this.

[00:39:19] [SPEAKER_00]: It feels like every other week we have to do something like this,

[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_00]: whether it's Scott getting fired through social media or now this

[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_00]: or you want to dial it back to last year.

[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_00]: You name it.

[00:39:29] [SPEAKER_00]: This stuff happens so much.

[00:39:32] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm so tired of it.

[00:39:33] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's honestly not only not fair to us and not fair to the fans,

[00:39:36] [SPEAKER_00]: but all these amazing people that work in the organization.

[00:39:39] [SPEAKER_00]: And sometimes I feel bad because that gets buried,

[00:39:41] [SPEAKER_00]: buried in all this is legitimately all the amazing people

[00:39:44] [SPEAKER_00]: that do work in the Mariners organization from the people we know

[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_00]: on the PR team who are awesome.

[00:39:49] [SPEAKER_00]: You've heard us talk about it.

[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_00]: You've heard Divish talk about it to the marketing team,

[00:39:53] [SPEAKER_00]: which is incredible to, you know, there's a lot of really,

[00:39:57] [SPEAKER_00]: really smart talented people that work in the baseball ops department.

[00:39:59] [SPEAKER_00]: And you name it.

[00:40:01] [SPEAKER_00]: There's all these other areas of the organization where that

[00:40:04] [SPEAKER_00]: range true also with all these great talented people that work

[00:40:07] [SPEAKER_00]: in the org, but it just gets overshadowed by stupid unnecessary

[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_00]: stories like this.

[00:40:13] [SPEAKER_00]: And I hate it.

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I have a solution.

[00:40:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Mm hmm.

[00:40:18] [SPEAKER_01]: They need to hire Divish.

[00:40:20] [SPEAKER_01]: He explained how to solve the issue.

[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_01]: He laid it out for them.

[00:40:25] [SPEAKER_01]: The VP of common sense.

[00:40:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:40:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_01]: That's what like that's legitimately all I can come up with now

[00:40:32] [SPEAKER_01]: because everything you just laid out, it's all self inflicted.

[00:40:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:40:38] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's just, it's just so hard, dude.

[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_00]: So many people in this region build their lives around this

[00:40:44] [SPEAKER_00]: team.

[00:40:45] [SPEAKER_00]: It's half their personality.

[00:40:47] [SPEAKER_00]: It's probably more than half of mine.

[00:40:49] [SPEAKER_00]: So many people in this region build their lives around

[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_00]: this team and have given so much to this organization.

[00:40:55] [SPEAKER_00]: They give them everything.

[00:40:57] [SPEAKER_00]: And a lot of people feel like that it's not reciprocated.

[00:41:01] [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of people have these feelings that it just isn't

[00:41:04] [SPEAKER_00]: given back to them.

[00:41:05] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like they don't exist.

[00:41:07] [SPEAKER_00]: They just the people that run the team at the top of the

[00:41:10] [SPEAKER_00]: organization, just see the bottom line, see the paycheck.

[00:41:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I just wish there was some opportunity and now I'm

[00:41:17] [SPEAKER_00]: dreaming up a fantasy land scenario, but it doesn't mean

[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want it to rain true.

[00:41:21] [SPEAKER_00]: I just wish there was some scenario where all these

[00:41:24] [SPEAKER_00]: owners had to just sit down and listen for 60 seconds at a

[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_00]: time to all these different people, just share like the pain

[00:41:32] [SPEAKER_00]: they've endured.

[00:41:33] [SPEAKER_00]: And I like, I even put it as far as this, if it's just

[00:41:35] [SPEAKER_00]: going to be trolls on social media that are going to

[00:41:37] [SPEAKER_00]: scream or like me who's been screaming on this podcast,

[00:41:41] [SPEAKER_00]: maybe like, like maybe those would get negated and they

[00:41:44] [SPEAKER_00]: don't have to, and you wouldn't be allowed to present

[00:41:47] [SPEAKER_00]: your talking points if you were going to do that.

[00:41:49] [SPEAKER_00]: But honestly, just all these people that have all this

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_00]: sadness inside of them because they just want to see their

[00:41:56] [SPEAKER_00]: team win and they're huge fans and they feel like it's

[00:41:59] [SPEAKER_00]: not given back to them by the people whose responsibility it

[00:42:02] [SPEAKER_00]: is to make this team great.

[00:42:04] [SPEAKER_00]: I just wish these owners were forced to listen to all

[00:42:06] [SPEAKER_00]: these different stories for carve out an hour, every

[00:42:09] [SPEAKER_00]: person gets 60 seconds, you line up in a line one by

[00:42:12] [SPEAKER_00]: one, and you share what you're feeling.

[00:42:14] [SPEAKER_00]: It might not resonate with them.

[00:42:16] [SPEAKER_00]: In fact, people that operate as billionaires are probably

[00:42:17] [SPEAKER_00]: wouldn't resonate at all, but they would have to sit

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_00]: there and physically listen to it.

[00:42:21] [SPEAKER_00]: And that would be at least enough for me for the time being.

[00:42:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, I like your idea.

[00:42:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's hold them to that, but in every business facet of their

[00:42:29] [SPEAKER_01]: life and not just sports because there are a lot of other

[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_01]: businesses that these people control where they could also

[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_01]: probably do that.

[00:42:36] [SPEAKER_01]: That are as great as the Mariners are perhaps a lot

[00:42:40] [SPEAKER_01]: more important to society and a lot more important,

[00:42:43] [SPEAKER_01]: AKA paychecks to people's lives.

[00:42:45] [SPEAKER_01]: So yes, that should be a universal thing throughout

[00:42:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Lyle, throughout like everything.

[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_01]: So it would be nice.

[00:42:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Feedback is great.

[00:42:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Like honest feedback and listening is great.

[00:42:59] [SPEAKER_01]: And there are levels to every business where that happens,

[00:43:03] [SPEAKER_01]: but it's usually not at the top, not from the people

[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_01]: on the bottom.

[00:43:07] [SPEAKER_01]: There are the rare businesses that will do that,

[00:43:11] [SPEAKER_01]: but most of them do not do that unfortunately.

[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_00]: When you are a billionaire and operate as a billionaire,

[00:43:18] [SPEAKER_00]: you live in a fantasy land, you live in a bubble and this is

[00:43:22] [SPEAKER_00]: what happens.

[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_00]: That was the other quote from this article today is they

[00:43:27] [SPEAKER_00]: said everybody has to deal with constraints.

[00:43:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Come on dude, you guys are billionaire owners.

[00:43:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Don't tell people about constraints.

[00:43:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know anybody else.

[00:43:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, claiming as a billionaire you have

[00:43:45] [SPEAKER_01]: constraints is rich.

[00:43:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes it is.

[00:43:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh constraints, it's like I only have like they ran out of

[00:43:52] [SPEAKER_01]: caviar at the store.

[00:43:54] [SPEAKER_01]: What am I going to do?

[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_01]: It is consistent with the theme the rest of the quotes

[00:44:03] [SPEAKER_01]: in this article, just tone deaf of realizing what people

[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_01]: want, what the expectations of winning and what your fans

[00:44:13] [SPEAKER_01]: want and thinking it's like oh trust us, no we got it.

[00:44:17] [SPEAKER_01]: We got this.

[00:44:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Even though we said the same thing last year,

[00:44:19] [SPEAKER_01]: nothing new happened.

[00:44:22] [SPEAKER_01]: We got it.

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't even think we would go 45 minutes on this.

[00:44:30] [SPEAKER_00]: I guess I shouldn't be shocked but for some reason I thought

[00:44:32] [SPEAKER_00]: this would go a tad shorter.

[00:44:34] [SPEAKER_00]: It's fine that it didn't, we had a lot to get out.

[00:44:35] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure a lot of people are feeling this way after

[00:44:37] [SPEAKER_00]: seeing this article on Monday so at least we all had a

[00:44:39] [SPEAKER_00]: chance to just sit down and talk about it.

[00:44:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully the Mariners still find a way to put a

[00:44:45] [SPEAKER_00]: competitive team on the field next year.

[00:44:47] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean they have an 85 win core already.

[00:44:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully if they're not going to go spend,

[00:44:52] [SPEAKER_00]: they find some ways to make some actual impact trades

[00:44:54] [SPEAKER_00]: I guess.

[00:44:56] [SPEAKER_00]: But we're going to see.

[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_00]: For an offseason that hasn't even started yet because

[00:44:59] [SPEAKER_00]: the MLB playoffs haven't even started,

[00:45:01] [SPEAKER_00]: we're not off to a good start.

[00:45:02] [SPEAKER_00]: We're really not.

[00:45:03] [SPEAKER_00]: I hope it changes.

[00:45:05] [SPEAKER_00]: I hope people feel a little bit better about this

[00:45:07] [SPEAKER_00]: team come opening day of 2025 but I got to say that's

[00:45:10] [SPEAKER_00]: about as bad a first start to the,

[00:45:12] [SPEAKER_00]: a first step and a start to the offseason as you can draw up.

[00:45:15] [SPEAKER_00]: So here we are people.

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_00]: We're not going to stop podcasting though and we'll

[00:45:20] [SPEAKER_00]: make some episodes fun.

[00:45:21] [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to find some ways to keep everybody

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