Episode 170: What Would You Like To See Changed In Ownership? (Mailbag)

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[00:00:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to Episode 170 of the Marine Layer Podcast.

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[00:02:31] [SPEAKER_01]: And we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Layer Podcast, part of the Just Baseball

[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_01]: podcast network recording on Thursday evening, October 3rd taking you up to the first

[00:02:42] [SPEAKER_01]: weekend of the 2024 Seattle Mariners off season.

[00:02:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I've been really enjoying the playoff baseball this week just as it is every year, Lyle

[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_01]: as we get to this week of playoff baseball, there's already people complaining that the

[00:02:57] [SPEAKER_01]: wildcard format again needs to go away even though the baseball has been very entertaining

[00:03:02] [SPEAKER_01]: and we're going to see some of the lower seeds advancing along again in this wildcard

[00:03:07] [SPEAKER_01]: round finishing up right before we recorded.

[00:03:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Watch Peter Lanzo hit a go ahead three run home run.

[00:03:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I got to say I've been really enjoying this playoff baseball.

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_01]: It's relaxing me.

[00:03:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Really you don't have a dog in the fight.

[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to stress about any of any of the other things.

[00:03:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I'd rather have a dog in the fight, a.k.a.

[00:03:27] [SPEAKER_02]: twenty two of the twenty three years over the last basically generation.

[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_02]: There's been no dog in the fight for the two of us.

[00:03:33] [SPEAKER_02]: But yes, if you want to look at it glass half full, you can watch full playoff

[00:03:38] [SPEAKER_02]: baseball fully relaxed.

[00:03:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. So that's a good thing.

[00:03:41] [SPEAKER_02]: No, the games have been great.

[00:03:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Like all the series have been great.

[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, don't don't change the new format.

[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I was a little skeptical about it at first, just wondering is there going to be

[00:03:50] [SPEAKER_02]: some really bad teams that put up no fight in these series?

[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's not really how baseball goes.

[00:03:55] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not like college football when there is real talent discrepancy between

[00:03:58] [SPEAKER_02]: some of these teams that go up against each other.

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not like that in baseball.

[00:04:02] [SPEAKER_02]: So you see teams put up fights.

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_02]: That's how the 84 win Diamondbacks got to the World Series last year.

[00:04:06] [SPEAKER_02]: It's why the Royals and Tigers just won playoff series.

[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_02]: It's why the Mets just beat the Brewers in Milwaukee.

[00:04:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's pretty fun.

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Also, baseball is never going to take it away just for anybody that has

[00:04:16] [SPEAKER_02]: gripes about this because it makes them way more money.

[00:04:19] [SPEAKER_01]: And the other thing too is I think people forget teams losing the playoffs,

[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_01]: whether it be a three game, five game or seven game series.

[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately, someone's got to be eliminated.

[00:04:30] [SPEAKER_01]: So to say, oh, it's unfair.

[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_01]: They get eliminated in the first round after they had the great season.

[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry. So the playoffs work.

[00:04:38] [SPEAKER_01]: What what else is supposed to happen?

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Can't just keep playing.

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Someone's got to lose.

[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Is it a little fluke year in a three game series?

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. But that's why you got to show up and play every game.

[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_01]: You don't get games off in the playoffs.

[00:04:50] [SPEAKER_01]: You win, you put up or you shut up.

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_02]: In football and in college basketball, you get one game.

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_02]: You lose, you're done.

[00:04:56] [SPEAKER_02]: You go undefeated. You lose in the playoffs, you're out.

[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_02]: If anything, there's more fairness in baseball.

[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_02]: You have more chances.

[00:05:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I think people are using that mostly on the American League side

[00:05:06] [SPEAKER_01]: where the Astros and Orioles got balanced.

[00:05:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to be honest,

[00:05:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm pretty excited to watch the Tigers and Royals in the next round.

[00:05:12] [SPEAKER_01]: They have a lot of really fun players.

[00:05:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm rooting for the Tigers.

[00:05:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they took one of the Mariners spot potentially.

[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_01]: That's fun. Yeah. Right?

[00:05:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe not as in you and I, you threw this idea out to me

[00:05:24] [SPEAKER_01]: and pointing out some of the some of the

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_01]: graphics that were going around about the Tigers.

[00:05:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Twenty six man roster currently making 18 million dollars.

[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, OK, teams, let's not replicate this.

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_01]: This is an exception.

[00:05:39] [SPEAKER_01]: But it doesn't mean it's not fun to watch.

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't mean that the way they've built their team

[00:05:44] [SPEAKER_01]: is really unique and different from a lot of the other teams.

[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_01]: They're built very different than the Mariners are,

[00:05:49] [SPEAKER_01]: because as you said, one one pitcher and two hitters, essentially,

[00:05:52] [SPEAKER_01]: is how they run, but it's been effective

[00:05:54] [SPEAKER_01]: and they've managed to win a ton of games for it.

[00:05:56] [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm excited to see how that clashes with

[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_01]: the other best teams that are waiting for them here in the next round.

[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, let's let's take a quick pause here.

[00:06:05] [SPEAKER_02]: If you happen to be in the Mariners ownership group

[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_02]: and you saw that tweet about the Tigers payroll come across your desk,

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_02]: this week, no, you didn't.

[00:06:12] [SPEAKER_02]: It's fake news didn't happen.

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_02]: They made that up.

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_02]: What was the video go?

[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_02]: It's fiction. We created it totally made up.

[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's just a message to about 15, 15 straight people.

[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, yeah, you didn't see that.

[00:06:29] [SPEAKER_02]: So. Yeah, I'm excited to see a new team in the World Series.

[00:06:32] [SPEAKER_02]: That's for sure.

[00:06:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we saw the Rangers last year,

[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_02]: but I'm excited to see some new teams in the ALCS.

[00:06:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Now, we're guaranteed to see in the World Series either.

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Could be the Yankees, which, you know what?

[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_02]: If the Yankees get into the World Series,

[00:06:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I know they're a cookie cutter team and they're one of in their baseball's

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_02]: biggest brand, but it's been a long time since the Yankees have been in the World Series.

[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_02]: So if this team gets there with Judge and Soto, that's going to be pretty exciting.

[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And guess what?

[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_02]: If one of these three AL central teams gets there, guardians,

[00:06:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Tigers or Royals, that's going to be really exciting

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_02]: because nobody expected at least the Tigers and the Royals to be there.

[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And the guardians usually have trouble in the postseason advancing deep into the field.

[00:07:06] [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm excited for it.

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't want to see the Astros.

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to see the Rangers.

[00:07:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I want to see new teams.

[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And if the Yankees make it, it will eliminate the Tigers' graphic

[00:07:16] [SPEAKER_01]: because the Yankees are the complete opposite.

[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Aaron Judge makes twice as much on his own as the Tigers 26 man roster.

[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_02]: One Soto and Aaron Judge come opening day of 2025

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_02]: or going to be making what a combined

[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_02]: eight hundred fifty million dollars, nine hundred million dollars

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_01]: or we can go per year and just say 90.

[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because judges contract is what nine for three sixty.

[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, how much is that?

[00:07:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Here we are in the math.

[00:07:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Here we are on the math corner again, Lyle.

[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_01]: How much is that?

[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, if you went to ten years for three sixty, it'd be thirty six.

[00:07:51] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's more.

[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Look at look at two Arizona State grads doing this again.

[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_02]: We're sitting here again.

[00:07:58] [SPEAKER_02]: We're sitting here again talking about the same thing.

[00:08:03] [SPEAKER_01]: It's forty one million dollars.

[00:08:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. So yeah, they're going to be making.

[00:08:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I googled that.

[00:08:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're going to be making it.

[00:08:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Smart. Yeah, they're going to be making a combined ninety

[00:08:12] [SPEAKER_02]: million dollars next year.

[00:08:14] [SPEAKER_01]: So and the Tigers roster will not be making that.

[00:08:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Now I said active twenty six man roster

[00:08:18] [SPEAKER_01]: because they do still have some deferred contracts that like Mickey Cabrera.

[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_02]: So or Javi or Javi.

[00:08:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. So it's it's not perfect, but entertaining.

[00:08:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it knew is what we could ask for.

[00:08:33] [SPEAKER_01]: And at least the Yankees make it as you said, they hadn't made it in a while.

[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_01]: But man does Major League Baseball need a ratings bump in the World Series.

[00:08:41] [SPEAKER_01]: It just goes down every year.

[00:08:42] [SPEAKER_01]: The Yankees that will go up.

[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_02]: They could they could really use the Yankees Dodgers World Series.

[00:08:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to be honest like Judge Soto, Shohei Mookie.

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_02]: That would do a lot for baseball.

[00:08:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that would be a lot of fun.

[00:08:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I tune in and watch that.

[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that would be good.

[00:08:56] [SPEAKER_01]: It'd be fine with the central teams, but it would be a lot better.

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Dodgers Dodgers and Yankees as well.

[00:09:03] [SPEAKER_01]: There are a couple other things you wanted to get to first before we get to the mailbag.

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, how about this in the baseball world, but not the major league

[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_02]: baseball world world? I am fired up for this people.

[00:09:15] [SPEAKER_02]: So about a week ago, the Savannah bananas said, hey,

[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_02]: we're releasing our World Tour schedule on October 3rd.

[00:09:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Now, for those who don't know, most of you probably know

[00:09:26] [SPEAKER_02]: who the Savannah bananas are at this point and what they're about and why they're so popular.

[00:09:31] [SPEAKER_02]: But starting last year, I believe they started to do this world tour thing

[00:09:36] [SPEAKER_02]: where they said, hey, we're not just going to play in Savannah.

[00:09:38] [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to bring this product to you guys.

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_02]: So you don't have to travel out to the small town in Georgia.

[00:09:46] [SPEAKER_02]: You can you can see it anywhere,

[00:09:49] [SPEAKER_02]: basically in all the big cities in your hometown, if we travel there.

[00:09:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Last year, they went to a bunch of different cities.

[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_02]: This time around, they're going to a bunch of different cities,

[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_02]: including Seattle, Washington.

[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's go. Let's go.

[00:10:03] [SPEAKER_02]: The Savannah bananas coming to town now it's in mid September, I believe.

[00:10:08] [SPEAKER_02]: If you want to look up the 19th and 20th, right?

[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, let me let me sign in and look really quickly or let me go

[00:10:17] [SPEAKER_02]: find the tweet really quickly.

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_02]: But the Savannah bananas are going to be in town next September.

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's going to be so cool.

[00:10:24] [SPEAKER_02]: So a couple of different things.

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Number one, I haven't seen him or talked to him really in years,

[00:10:31] [SPEAKER_02]: but one of maybe the most famous guy on that team named Jackson Olson,

[00:10:35] [SPEAKER_02]: who is a huge TikTok star, social media star.

[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_02]: He did a bunch of MLB content for a while.

[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Like we know each other from a ways back.

[00:10:42] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just been it's been a long time because we he was playing

[00:10:45] [SPEAKER_02]: with the Cape League team that I was broadcasting games for.

[00:10:48] [SPEAKER_02]: So it would almost be like a reunion to see him.

[00:10:51] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's totally different who he is now from back then

[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_02]: because he didn't have two million plus followers back then.

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_02]: But also just in general, if you look at some of what the Savannah bananas

[00:11:01] [SPEAKER_02]: have done on some of these other tours, I mean, it's so cool.

[00:11:05] [SPEAKER_02]: They sell out these big league ballparks.

[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_02]: They legitimately sell them out every seat filled,

[00:11:10] [SPEAKER_02]: paired with because the Savannah bananas are so forward thinking

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_02]: and so about all the New Age media and, you know, fun.

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_02]: They let all these content people come out and do all this stuff

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_02]: when they're in town. In fact, they encourage it.

[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_02]: So if you look at our friend, Jared Carabas or D.Sarm,

[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_02]: who we met at All Star Week, both of those guys did vlogs

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_02]: at Fenway Park when the Savannah bananas were in town.

[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And I watched both of those start to end and was like, wow,

[00:11:36] [SPEAKER_02]: this looks like so much fun.

[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_02]: So needless to say when those guys come to town next year,

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_02]: oh, TJ and I are going to be out there doing content for it.

[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And we're going to be doing a bunch because that seems like

[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_02]: it's going to be so cool.

[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_01]: OK, I have a lot of things to get to here.

[00:11:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Questions to ask you about this.

[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_01]: So first of all, very excited.

[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's going to be an absolute blast.

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's going to be something that the people

[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_01]: of the Seattle area probably haven't seen, but you've seen it online.

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_01]: But seeing something like this in person to this scale, not really.

[00:12:09] [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be unique.

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_01]: If you are unaware of it, I would go Google the Savannah bananas

[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_01]: and do a little bit of research.

[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_01]: It's baseball, technically.

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_01]: But there's a whole lot more to that.

[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to instead of trying to describe everything right here,

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll suggest you go look it up because it is wildly entertaining.

[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_01]: It is geared toward Gen Zers.

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_01]: It is trendy.

[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_01]: It is fun.

[00:12:33] [SPEAKER_01]: They have a whole lot of quirks both on the field and off the field with

[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_01]: with their players with, you know, how the food is to they have

[00:12:42] [SPEAKER_01]: they have a they have like a food policy on there.

[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And again, I don't remember it exactly.

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_01]: So please go look it up.

[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_01]: But it's very unique.

[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_01]: But my first question is who's going to draw more?

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_01]: The Savannah bananas on those two days that are there.

[00:12:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's just pick one of the games that one of the days

[00:13:01] [SPEAKER_01]: that are more attended or the next Mariners home game on a week on a Saturday.

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_02]: So before I answer the question, I have the dates up now.

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_02]: They will be in Seattle at T Mobile Park, by the way.

[00:13:12] [SPEAKER_02]: So playing where the Mariners play on September 19th and 20th.

[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_02]: So they will be there those two days to answer your question.

[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the Savannah bananas.

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Dude, I'm telling you, they sell out these games and these stadiums,

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_02]: these big league stadiums to the very last seat every single one.

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Go look at Fenway.

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Go look at all these other like at Minimane Park, all these big league

[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_02]: stadiums they played in Philly.

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_02]: They sell these things out.

[00:13:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, your answer my question to the point that it

[00:13:41] [SPEAKER_01]: September Saturdays in Seattle at T Mobile Park should be sold out

[00:13:45] [SPEAKER_01]: because of the team on the field.

[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Should be unlike this year.

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, but they won't be.

[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_01]: They won't be second one.

[00:13:54] [SPEAKER_01]: How are we going to get to Ryan Divish to come to this with us?

[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we have to.

[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_01]: If we're talking about the person who would probably hate this the most

[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_01]: and the people who would love this the most,

[00:14:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I think we need to combine for something.

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I was going to say next time we see him, we'll run.

[00:14:10] [SPEAKER_01]: We'll run this idea by him.

[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Say, listen, September clear your schedule.

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Send send Jude out on the road because they split up their road series now.

[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Send Jude out on the road whenever that series is

[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_02]: and you're going to come with us and go to the Savannah bananas game

[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_02]: because if you were to take everybody in that press box,

[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_02]: everybody that's in that media,

[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_02]: you know, that media group that is out at Mariners games,

[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_02]: you're spot on when you say, I don't think there will be anybody

[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_02]: out there that's more excited for that than us.

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't think there will be anybody out there

[00:14:40] [SPEAKER_02]: that's less excited for that than Ryan Divish.

[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Listen, Ryan, the Times is going to send somebody there.

[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_01]: It might as well be you.

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, let's honestly, while we're sitting here,

[00:14:50] [SPEAKER_02]: let's look at the Mariners schedule for 2025 because he,

[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_02]: you know, there's certain road series he does not want to go on.

[00:14:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And obviously he has seniority on the Mariners beat.

[00:14:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Like they're going to New York that weekend.

[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_01]: That would probably be a problem.

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Right. He's probably not skipping that.

[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_02]: If it's some bad road series,

[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_02]: let's say Houston, which so he'll skip a Houston series.

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think he loves Houston.

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I think he was talking about that just recently.

[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't love Houston.

[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_02]: So perfect.

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Ryan, the ask is out there, buddy.

[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_01]: September 19th to 20th, 2025, Savannah bananas,

[00:15:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Marine layer podcast times Ryan Divish.

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's get it.

[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_02]: You're probably right.

[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_02]: The Seattle Times will actually send somebody to that.

[00:15:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, dude, there's going to be a lot.

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_01]: There's probably going to be a decent amount of media there.

[00:15:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Every TV station will be there.

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_01]: The Times will be there.

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure the radio stations will be there.

[00:15:38] [SPEAKER_01]: It would be.

[00:15:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it would be extremely flawed to not send somebody there.

[00:15:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I actually don't know the TV stations, maybe, maybe.

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_02]: The radio, yes, the radio stations, I don't think so.

[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_02]: What? Like what are they gain out of that?

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_02]: That like that's not like, I don't know.

[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Social media person or a writer.

[00:15:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe that. Yeah.

[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Not like Salk's not going to go out there.

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Probably. Well, maybe maybe his family would want to go.

[00:16:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:16:03] [SPEAKER_01]: OK, maybe.

[00:16:04] [SPEAKER_01]: He's not going to go out there as media to cover it.

[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_01]: If his kids want to go, I'm sure he would go, which they might want to go.

[00:16:09] [SPEAKER_01]: It's again, very entertaining.

[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_01]: It's catered towards kids for the most part.

[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like what you see on your TikTok feed

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_01]: and except they're playing baseball.

[00:16:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Right. Like, guys, I'm not kidding.

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Not only do they sell out these games,

[00:16:20] [SPEAKER_02]: you should see the crowd that waits outside the stadium

[00:16:24] [SPEAKER_02]: to get into the ballpark when they open.

[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Like first off, it's a whole ceremony type thing.

[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_02]: They're counting down and they do all these games out there

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_02]: before people even get into the ballpark.

[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's like nothing you'll ever see.

[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm telling you, these things get sold out.

[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Like if I'm you guys buy tickets when they go on sale,

[00:16:40] [SPEAKER_02]: because it's going to be worth every penny you pay for them.

[00:16:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, it's going to be it's going to be so, so cool.

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_02]: You're yeah, like I can't say enough good things about it.

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I like there are not that many people waiting outside

[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Mariners games when the gates open for most regular games

[00:16:56] [SPEAKER_02]: to just flood the stadium.

[00:16:57] [SPEAKER_02]: There will be people waiting for that Savannah bananas thing.

[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And what's cool is like you're right.

[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_02]: They're like there probably will be media out there covering it.

[00:17:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Like the people will probably just send somebody.

[00:17:08] [SPEAKER_02]: But what's cool about the Savannah bananas, I guess for us is

[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_02]: that's like right up our alley.

[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Like the stuff we do is the stuff they encourage.

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Like when you see the type of people that have been out

[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_02]: at some of these other games that they've been playing, again,

[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_02]: like Deez arm, like Corabas, like some of the other content people

[00:17:22] [SPEAKER_02]: obviously they'll let any media out.

[00:17:24] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's that type of stuff they really encourage and what they like

[00:17:29] [SPEAKER_02]: and love like, you know how the in the NFL, like for Super Bowl week,

[00:17:32] [SPEAKER_02]: they want all these content creators out there because they know

[00:17:34] [SPEAKER_02]: what reach they have and how and how much that can grow the sport.

[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Like the Savannah bananas really understand that a hell of a lot

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_02]: more than Major League Baseball does.

[00:17:42] [SPEAKER_02]: And because of that, they want that.

[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And obviously like, you know, there's other content creators

[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_02]: here in the market and maybe they'll be out there too.

[00:17:51] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, for us, like it's going to be pretty cool.

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Pretty exciting.

[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_01]: So mark that on your calendar.

[00:17:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Eleven months from now, eleven and a half months from now.

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Don't forget, I'm sure it will not be the last time we talk

[00:18:04] [SPEAKER_02]: about it here on this podcast until then to be honest.

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure there is one more thing before we dive into the mailbag

[00:18:11] [SPEAKER_01]: questions we selected, there is one we can answer here quickly

[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_01]: before we actually formally start.

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_01]: The question is about the player to be named later in the

[00:18:20] [SPEAKER_01]: in the trade for Randy Rosarino.

[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so this isn't confirmed yet, right?

[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_02]: But somebody asked this question.

[00:18:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I figured it was going to be going to be a pretty short answer.

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_02]: So I figure we could just answer it before.

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we don't have confirmation yet on who that player

[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_02]: to be named later is the tea leaves seem to read that

[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_02]: it's probably going to be Walter Ford.

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Number one, because we know the prospect going back,

[00:18:44] [SPEAKER_02]: it's not going to be somebody really high end.

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not going to be somebody in their top 10 to 12 or whatever.

[00:18:49] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's you know, it's not going to be any of the blue chip guys.

[00:18:51] [SPEAKER_02]: It's it's not going to be Logan Evans or Brandon Garcia

[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_02]: or some of those starters that are getting close to the big leagues.

[00:18:56] [SPEAKER_02]: But it is somebody with real upside, they seem to believe

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_02]: paired with the fact that I saw a couple people on Twitter

[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_02]: notice this, which is probably a decent indication.

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_02]: So the Mariners put out their roster for high performance camp

[00:19:11] [SPEAKER_02]: a week or two ago and who's going to be out there?

[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_02]: It's basically all the names you'd expect, all the high end prospects,

[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_02]: all the pitchers, etc., etc.

[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_02]: The one name that's not on that list is Walter Ford.

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_02]: So we'll see.

[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess anything can happen.

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_02]: But if you're going to read the tea leaves, he seems like the guy

[00:19:31] [SPEAKER_02]: that's probably going to go back to the raise in that trade.

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. So we will know sometime this off season when when that officially is.

[00:19:40] [SPEAKER_01]: So it'd be good to put a bow tie on that.

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[00:20:47] [SPEAKER_01]: We have a question from from Brandon Peck and his question is

[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_01]: what would it take for the Mariners to trade back for Cattel Marte?

[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_02]: So when we talk about the idea of the Mariners trading a starter

[00:21:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I know DiPoto said this is plan Z and they want to avoid it at all costs

[00:21:07] [SPEAKER_02]: but if they were to do that this seems like the type of guy you trade an arm for

[00:21:12] [SPEAKER_02]: now I wouldn't trade some of the younger guys

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_02]: but if somebody will take Louise Castillo

[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I would trade Louise Castillo for Cattel Marte

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_02]: now it's probably gonna cost more than that

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I would bet you it would cost Castillo and one fairly high end prospect

[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_02]: but if that's what it costed I would also trade those guys for Cattel Marte

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_02]: who by the way just put up a seven win season nearly

[00:21:38] [SPEAKER_02]: has three years left on his contract and then a club option so four years of team control

[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_02]: the Mariners need offense and the Diamondbacks were a bottom five rotation in baseball this year

[00:21:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Merrill Kelly and Erod were hurt a bunch of the year Brandon Fott took a step back

[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_02]: like they need guys behind that gallon

[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_02]: and right now that rotation just wasn't it like where do you even want to start with Jordan Montgomery

[00:22:02] [SPEAKER_02]: obviously that hasn't worked out

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_02]: they need pitching they need top end pitching they missed the playoffs this year

[00:22:07] [SPEAKER_02]: they could use Louise Castillo

[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Value-wise I think you're in the ballpark there

[00:22:13] [SPEAKER_01]: we could always talk about the semantics of Louise Castillo wanting to pitch in Arizona

[00:22:18] [SPEAKER_01]: but that's not the purpose of this question so we're just talking about it from Value

[00:22:23] [SPEAKER_01]: if I were to approach this let's approach this as if Jerry DePoto would approach it

[00:22:27] [SPEAKER_01]: and he doesn't want to trade from his rotation

[00:22:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I would say you go for a handful of prospects

[00:22:33] [SPEAKER_01]: and there would be a couple that would hurt to trade away

[00:22:37] [SPEAKER_01]: but you go a little bit of volume and you go a little bit of upside

[00:22:40] [SPEAKER_01]: one example I threw out there for a package would be

[00:22:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Tai Pete, Michael Arroyo and Michael Morales

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Michael Arroyo won the hitter of the year in the Mariners organization

[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Tai Pete has a ton of upside, a ton of upside

[00:22:54] [SPEAKER_01]: was a high school infielder first round pick from last year

[00:22:57] [SPEAKER_01]: you heard him here on this podcast he played center this year

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_01]: he's got a lot of tools to him

[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_01]: he's very toolsy and has a lot of upside if the development is there in the future

[00:23:08] [SPEAKER_01]: and then Michael Morales could be ready to pitch in the big leagues next year

[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_01]: so that's three prospects as the Mariners

[00:23:15] [SPEAKER_01]: 11, 12 and 13 rank prospects

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_01]: you go a little bit higher you can go a little bit lower depending if the Diamondbacks have any preferences of that package

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I think three pretty solid pretty high upside players in your system could get the job done

[00:23:30] [SPEAKER_01]: and when I say 11, 12 and 13 let's just remember the Mariners have a pretty deep farm system right now

[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_01]: it's pretty deep a guy that's

[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_01]: 11 in the Mariners farm system could be as high as five in someone else's farm system

[00:23:43] [SPEAKER_01]: it depends so the Diamondbacks would be okay with minor leaguers

[00:23:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that would be the most realistic route given that the Mariners wouldn't want to trade a starting pitcher

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I got to say what makes this tricky

[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_01]: there's two things like Kittel Marte is obviously a stud

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_01]: and I think the contract he signed

[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_01]: is one of the top five contracts in baseball value-wise

[00:24:05] [SPEAKER_01]: five for 76

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_01]: that's he made 13 this year he's gonna make 16 the next two years and then 14 the year after that

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_01]: it's pretty crazy

[00:24:15] [SPEAKER_01]: and then

[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_01]: on the negative side he is 31

[00:24:19] [SPEAKER_01]: he's gonna be 31 next year how does he age

[00:24:23] [SPEAKER_01]: that's something for people to guess at but

[00:24:27] [SPEAKER_01]: he's a stud of a baseball player

[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_01]: and he could he'd be really good to Mariners uniform right now I wonder if that ever happened before

[00:24:33] [SPEAKER_02]: oh again that's one of the few trades I'm actually not going to get mad about because if you look at the total war between what

[00:24:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Mitch did here what Jean did here what JP did here it's actually pretty close so I won't get that mad

[00:24:45] [SPEAKER_01]: it's funny though because we can look at two of the remnants of that trade that are still on each other's rosters

[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_01]: pretty far apart

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah I will say though I don't I wouldn't let the 31 thing deter deter you away because

[00:25:00] [SPEAKER_02]: we were just sitting here speaking to guys from Arizona talking about signing Christian Walker who's going to be 34

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_02]: and we're talking about we don't we'd be okay giving him a three-year deal

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_02]: so if you're okay paying Walker till he's 36 I would take four years of Cattel till he's 35

[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_01]: that's fine and then people but people could have the gripes of a 30 plus year old in Seattle which is fair

[00:25:21] [SPEAKER_02]: well you could say that about anybody then again you shouldn't sign Christian Walker you shouldn't sign Alex Bregman

[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_01]: you shouldn't sign you know like oh wait ring ring ring ring wait hold on

[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I've jerry to putto on the phone

[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh

[00:25:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Since Cattel's over 30 you can't pay him 16 million. Oh, okay. All right got it. Sorry

[00:25:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Jerry said it's off the table because he's 30 gonna be 31. No, I forgot can't be paying older players

[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Lyle no, I forgot it's actually their strategy to not pay really good players. I forgot sorry

[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't matter if he's worth seven wins next year 31

[00:25:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Can't do it. No, it's slip. It's slipped my mind that they'd rather have half a win player that's on the

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Ascend quote-unquote that's club controllable and making the league minimum. I forgot sorry

[00:26:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, but in all in all seriousness with what you just put together in that package

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you not feel like that's a little light and not I don't even mean like the prospects you're giving up

[00:26:14] [SPEAKER_02]: The diamond backs are still in a win now window

[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_02]: So if they feel like maybe they need to reshuffle a little bit where they need more pitching rather than bats

[00:26:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Then I feel like you're gonna have to give a big league talent and proven big league talent to get somebody as good as could tell

[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Or you could give a before the prospect and go higher up

[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_02]: You could but I just don't know if the diamond backs are interested in 19 year old Michael Arroyo

[00:26:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Who's going to start a back in high a next year and isn't going to be contributing to this core?

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_01]: And I could respond. I don't think the Mariners are interested in trading from the rotation. So

[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, if the Mariners are not interested

[00:26:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll say we can't do realistic on one side and unrealistic on the other

[00:26:53] [SPEAKER_02]: All right

[00:26:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I will say however if the Mariners are not even interested in trading louise for cattel marté

[00:26:59] [SPEAKER_02]: And thinks that the difference in production between having louise and cattel versus having cattel

[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And or having louise sorry between having louise and having

[00:27:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Some combo of emerson handcock logan evans brandon garcia whoever it's going to be

[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Wouldn't help this team get better. I don't know what to tell you

[00:27:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I know louise is like still has a chance to be really good

[00:27:18] [SPEAKER_02]: But he he didn't have the greatest year this year and I would be very interested in seven win cattel marté

[00:27:24] [SPEAKER_01]: The problem is I don't think louise would be over the moon about pitching at 4 000 feet

[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe

[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_02]: And that and that's a fair point

[00:27:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, from the Mariners perspective

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_01]: If you had an opportunity to do that

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean it's a clear need that the diamond backs need starting pitching

[00:27:41] [SPEAKER_01]: And you need someone like cattel marté on your roster that part makes sense

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_01]: But then the problem is louise castillo has control over his situation

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_01]: So you might have to get creative if you don't want to trade any of your four young guys at that point lile

[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_01]: If they want more bigly gretty guys

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I love our guy logan

[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_01]: And I hope we have him and brandon garcia on this podcast here in the next couple of months

[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_01]: But if you if you're not willing to trade

[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Bryce brian george or logan out of that rotation

[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, the next guys up are

[00:28:16] [SPEAKER_01]: You know every three of our guys everyone we like. Yeah

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Unfortunately, they would be next in line. I was gonna say emerson handcock brandon garcia logan evans. Yeah

[00:28:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Like three of our favorite guys in the whole org. Yeah, unfortunately if there's a starting pitcher traded from the mariners organization

[00:28:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it would if they're not coming out of the rotation. It would be them and that sucks. Yeah, it does

[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_02]: All right next question this comes from ss80 underscore 75 on instagram and the question that was asked was

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_02]: How many prospects do you guys think will be on the opening day roster next year?

[00:28:57] [SPEAKER_01]: one

[00:28:58] [SPEAKER_01]: ryan bliss

[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Seems like the only realistic one i'm not convinced tyler locklear is ready yet

[00:29:05] [SPEAKER_01]: And i think he and i agree that

[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_01]: putting tyler if tyler locklear is on this roster. He's

[00:29:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Not going to be on the bench. He'd be starting

[00:29:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think tyler locklear is going to be starting at first base for the mariners next season

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_01]: bliss offers more coming off the bench than tyler locklear does

[00:29:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Which opens a window, especially if whore hay palanquin leaves for another younger infielder who can play second base on the roster

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_01]: so that leaves

[00:29:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Just ryan bliss essentially

[00:29:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know who else you would count as a prospect kade marlowe is not a prospect anymore

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of these other guys will not be on the big league roster like or not on the opening day big league roster

[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_01]: col young's not going to be harry ford's not going to be

[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I would be absolutely floored if any of the pitchers are emerson hankocks not a prospect anymore either

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_01]: So the prospect pitchers are brandon and logan

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_01]: They're not going to be on the opening day roster either

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And it would I would be shocked if those guys were on the big league roster to start the season

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_01]: The only way that would make sense is if they turn them into relievers

[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Which goes against most of what we understand this organization's

[00:30:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Pitching philosophy is for their minor leaguers. So keep them as starters for as long as possible

[00:30:20] [SPEAKER_01]: So that's I guess that's my take on that

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Are you sure ryan bliss is even on the opening day roster? I'm like i'm not sure he is

[00:30:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure but if there was going to be one it would be him

[00:30:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and the other way lockler would be on the roster is if they decide him and luke rayleigh are just going to platoon at first base

[00:30:40] [SPEAKER_02]: No, i'm not i'm not i'm not about that idea. They should be going and getting an established first baseman

[00:30:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just saying if you're the mariners they may decide to do that in which case rayleigh hits the righty's lockler hits the lefty's

[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Again, what here's no here's what the mariner should be doing my excited face

[00:31:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Check out the youtube so you can see how much i'm smiling at that idea

[00:31:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Love you tyler, but that just can't that cannot be a thing

[00:31:07] [SPEAKER_02]: You want it? Well if you want to see tj's excited face go to youtube and let's say it again

[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_02]: We said at the start of the show we'll say it here in the middle of the show

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_02]: You don't like that idea you want the mariners to go invest in those positions and spend real money

[00:31:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you want new owners the only way that's gonna that you can get new owners via the marine layer podcast is

[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_02]: If all of you subscribe that are listening and watching because if you do

[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe one day hopefully we'll have the money where we can put a bit in the team

[00:31:34] [SPEAKER_02]: We can't do that the second but in time

[00:31:37] [SPEAKER_02]: We go we go pay a first baseman. We go pay pete lanzo. We go pay christian walker

[00:31:42] [SPEAKER_02]: But subscribe if you want that anyway

[00:31:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I would

[00:31:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I would say that's an

[00:31:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Option that the mariners may take and that may be how another prospect could be on the roster

[00:31:54] [SPEAKER_02]: But if you're asking me what they should do again, it should be robleson right julio and center

[00:31:58] [SPEAKER_02]: randy and rayleigh basically split time between left field and dh where

[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Those two are in the lineup most days. It just depends on who's dh-ing and who's in left field

[00:32:07] [SPEAKER_02]: But then when there's lefties in the lineup

[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_02]: You could take rayleigh out randy's and left garver dh's because he can hit lefties

[00:32:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And then you go and get a real first baseman

[00:32:17] [SPEAKER_02]: However, they may opt to just go the inexpensive route

[00:32:21] [SPEAKER_02]: So yes, and that scenario tyler locker could be on the roster

[00:32:24] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's really the I would say the flaw with the mariners current minor league system as highly as it's touted

[00:32:31] [SPEAKER_01]: The the crop of

[00:32:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Available major league talent

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_01]: That high up said major league talent is not there not right now at this time next year different story

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_01]: But for 2025

[00:32:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Not really the case

[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Unless if tyler locklear comes back a new man in 2025

[00:32:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Blows our doors off and takes the step like he had in each of his first two minor league seasons

[00:32:56] [SPEAKER_01]: That's a different story, but we're staring at a 103 w rc plus for him in to coma. So

[00:33:03] [SPEAKER_01]: That doesn't encourage you

[00:33:06] [SPEAKER_01]: To give him a spot on the roster and ryan bliss again for versatility purposes

[00:33:10] [SPEAKER_01]: And technically he is still a prospect would earn that spot. Otherwise, there's just not really any options

[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's a fun thought to think about but right now the mariners

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Don't really have many options for prospects on the roster. They should be worrying about big leaguers

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Not prospects. It's time to win big leaguers proven players. Thank you

[00:33:32] [SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's get to the next question and the text is small

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_02]: So i'm gonna have to zoom in on this okay while you zoom in and are looking

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I will add one more thing to that last question, which is

[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_02]: If you're talking about some of the

[00:33:44] [SPEAKER_02]: bigger name prospects

[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think any of them start on the opening day roster now if you want some names that could

[00:33:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Have a chance to be in the big leagues and stick there come the

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Middle of the year later in the year. Yeah, there's a few guys

[00:33:57] [SPEAKER_02]: You could look at col young for sure. You can look at harry ford for sure

[00:34:01] [SPEAKER_02]: You could look at both logan evans and brandon garcia if they need more pitching for sure

[00:34:05] [SPEAKER_02]: But those four probably aren't starting on the opening day roster

[00:34:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you can throw michael morales into that bucket too. Those guys could all see big league time next year

[00:34:14] [SPEAKER_02]: But I don't think any of them start on the opening day roster

[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_01]: This next question's on youtube from unfuncable and it's along the same lines

[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_01]: so his

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_01]: His reason or this user's reasoning is since the mariners are so poor at major league

[00:34:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, major league hitting i will assume talent evaluation in terms of player acquisition

[00:34:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Why don't instead lile they start calling up minor leaguers instead the thing they're good at

[00:34:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I would argue the mariners do do that look at most of this core

[00:34:45] [SPEAKER_02]: How many guys are from outside the organization?

[00:34:48] [SPEAKER_02]: You just traded for randy sure

[00:34:50] [SPEAKER_02]: But if you're looking at the real core of this team the guys that I would say are in that mix

[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_02]: julio homegrown cal homegrown kirby homegrown

[00:35:00] [SPEAKER_02]: logan homegrown miller and woo homegrown

[00:35:03] [SPEAKER_02]: It is mostly the developmental side in terms of how the mariners have gotten their impact players

[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_02]: They have whiffed on some trades. They have whiffed on some free agent signings

[00:35:16] [SPEAKER_02]: But they've tried in that regard

[00:35:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Yet

[00:35:20] [SPEAKER_02]: So far how they've had more of their successes from the homegrown players

[00:35:24] [SPEAKER_02]: So I would say they have done that but kind of tying it back to the last question

[00:35:28] [SPEAKER_02]: If you're wondering why in the year 2024 they didn't get more from their homegrown guys

[00:35:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, they were kind of in this gap where they didn't have a bunch of their guys that were impact players that were ready

[00:35:39] [SPEAKER_02]: You saw a little bit of locklear. You saw a little bit of bliss. You saw a little bit of class a

[00:35:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Cade marlowe had a cup of coffee in the big leagues again

[00:35:46] [SPEAKER_02]: but

[00:35:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Again that that next wave of prospects just wasn't bigly ready in 24

[00:35:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I think about this

[00:35:55] [SPEAKER_01]: simply

[00:35:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Mariners need bats

[00:35:58] [SPEAKER_01]: How did they go about getting those bats for next season?

[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Thinking about it in this way. Why don't they just call up bats?

[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_01]: What do we think would be better for the mariners in 2025 calling up minor leaguers to hit

[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Or signing free agent slash trading for bats to hit

[00:36:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I think would be

[00:36:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Acquiring the major league talent

[00:36:17] [SPEAKER_01]: You don't get to choose

[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_01]: When a draft one of your drafted players is good

[00:36:24] [SPEAKER_01]: But you can choose to sign a good free agent

[00:36:27] [SPEAKER_02]: No, actually you can't there. It's a bad strategy

[00:36:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm. Oh well. Oh, sorry. Yeah, you're right again

[00:36:33] [SPEAKER_01]: We should have jury do this mailbag instead of us. He'd have better answers

[00:36:37] [SPEAKER_02]: This is like

[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_02]: It's it's funny

[00:36:41] [SPEAKER_02]: We didn't even talk that much about 54 last year like we talked about it when it happened

[00:36:45] [SPEAKER_02]: But we didn't sit on this podcast to make a ton of jokes about it

[00:36:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel we're not gonna live those we're not gonna live these quotes down

[00:36:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Like they're gonna be circling back a lot this obviously. Oh, by the way, everybody deals with constraints. I forgot

[00:37:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Anyways, I think it mostly boils down to the mariners need better players right now and more often than not

[00:37:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Those better players are already at the big league level playing on other teams as opposed to in your farm system

[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's what they need right now

[00:37:14] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's what they need to go to do if they're going to swing and miss they at least better go down trying

[00:37:18] [SPEAKER_01]: instead of not trying and

[00:37:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Thinking that you're smarter than everybody else

[00:37:24] [SPEAKER_01]: That not signing people actually makes your team better

[00:37:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Sign me up

[00:37:30] [SPEAKER_02]: if

[00:37:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Look, you got to spend the right way you got to make sure you nail these acquisitions

[00:37:36] [SPEAKER_02]: because a lot of them have missed

[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_02]: but

[00:37:40] [SPEAKER_02]: We don't have to dive too far into this again, but when you're

[00:37:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Trying to put a winner together and the only thing you won't try

[00:37:49] [SPEAKER_02]: is

[00:37:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Signing top tier free agents. I don't understand why you won't give it a shot

[00:37:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Especially when the free the big name free agents you brought in over the last decade when it's happened rarely have been really good

[00:38:02] [SPEAKER_02]: so

[00:38:03] [SPEAKER_02]: so

[00:38:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Do that otherwise be honest about it be honest that you aren't full out all committed to winning and and aren't willing to

[00:38:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Exercise all avenues just anyway, you know what we've had like

[00:38:15] [SPEAKER_02]: We've had like two straight months. Well not straight months

[00:38:18] [SPEAKER_02]: We have had over the course of the last two months me getting really mad on a lot of episodes

[00:38:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And I was actually looking forward to this mail bag because I feel like I can stay pretty even keeled for the most part on this

[00:38:27] [SPEAKER_02]: One so i'm not going to let myself see red again during this episode

[00:38:31] [SPEAKER_01]: What you need is for Howard Lincoln to come back and give his famous quote again. Just be honest

[00:38:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's it's not our goal to win the world series. Yeah that one and that we operate like a business

[00:38:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm

[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is a business we're gonna operate like one. Well, he's honest

[00:38:49] [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I lied there is one question in this mail bag where there is a chance

[00:38:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I could get into the red like like start seeing red

[00:38:56] [SPEAKER_02]: But not guaranteed we'll see just stick around to find out

[00:39:00] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not this one though, is it?

[00:39:03] [SPEAKER_02]: No, it's not all right. That's a good

[00:39:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's a good segue

[00:39:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Our next question is on twitter from Riley Donahue. He asks which loss to the angels was the worst

[00:39:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Now you're sure you're not going to get mad at this one

[00:39:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Knowing that any one of these losses down the stretch in the second half to the angels

[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_01]: cost the Mariners a playoff spot

[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm mad about it, but I was more mad in the time like if you go back and look at the series reactions

[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_02]: We did to those I was I was mad

[00:39:33] [SPEAKER_02]: So I think now

[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I'll just live with it

[00:39:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Honestly, my answer is literally any of the three games that they played at home got swept and scored three total runs

[00:39:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Like you want to talk about a sleep at the wheel

[00:39:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Those are three maybe the three most embarrassing games the team played all year like

[00:39:52] [SPEAKER_02]: That's my answer. It's not even close. You can pick any one of those three games

[00:39:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Those were bad

[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_01]: But not as bad as

[00:40:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Already have lost your division lead

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Trailing in the wild card on september 1st already had fired your manager and two hitting coaches

[00:40:09] [SPEAKER_01]: You're in a pivotal game three in la on september 1st

[00:40:13] [SPEAKER_01]: And you allow a 20 year old who finished the season with a 958 e r a to go six and two against you

[00:40:20] [SPEAKER_02]: 20 year old

[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was kayden daner, right? Yeah

[00:40:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, mariner's lost the series

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Missed the playoffs by a game

[00:40:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm

[00:40:33] huh

[00:40:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Funny how that works

[00:40:37] [SPEAKER_01]: 20 years old lile 958 e r a this year. He got

[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Sheldt

[00:40:43] [SPEAKER_01]: His next two starts absolutely shelled and he went six and two

[00:40:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Which is two hits allowed against the m's. Mm-hmm. It's pretty bad

[00:40:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay, let's get to the next question

[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, this comes from greg on twitter

[00:40:58] [SPEAKER_01]: And the question is

[00:41:00] [SPEAKER_01]: We love the mariner's rotation

[00:41:01] [SPEAKER_01]: But did the mariner's invest too much draft stock into the pitching to the detriment of their lineup?

[00:41:10] [SPEAKER_02]: No, I don't think so

[00:41:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Isn't it a good thing that they have built

[00:41:14] [SPEAKER_02]: The best rotation in baseball and most of it is totally homegrown

[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, yes, I wish the mariner's had more developed bats

[00:41:23] [SPEAKER_02]: But this is the best rotation in all of baseball and that is from drafting and developing

[00:41:28] [SPEAKER_02]: By the way, the other part of this argument is the mariner's are investing in bats and they have some really

[00:41:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Really

[00:41:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Really exciting bats that are on the way. They're just really young so they're not here yet

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_02]: You want to like we can list them off felonine celestine colt emerson johnny farmello lazaro montez

[00:41:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Tai peat michael arroyo like keep going they have some really exciting bats down in the minor leagues

[00:41:54] [SPEAKER_02]: They're just very young and they're not here yet. Yes, it's unfortunate that when all those bats are ready

[00:42:00] [SPEAKER_02]: That might only be paired with one maybe two years of this current rotation

[00:42:06] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's not like they're not investing in them. Oh, I didn't even say harry ford and colt young. Whoops

[00:42:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's another two

[00:42:13] [SPEAKER_02]: So they're investing in bats and you want to look at some of their first round picks

[00:42:16] [SPEAKER_02]: They've made over the last few seasons up until they drafted gerangelo and ryan slone this year. They were drafting a ton of bats

[00:42:23] [SPEAKER_02]: but

[00:42:24] [SPEAKER_02]: They're just not big league ready yet

[00:42:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's because a lack of investment in bats like you said they have been investing in bats

[00:42:33] [SPEAKER_01]: But also they're not very good at investing in bats like we're excited about all the young guys in the system

[00:42:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Certainly lyle. They're not proven yet. They're just prospects right now

[00:42:42] [SPEAKER_01]: You like think about this since jerry has taken over

[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_01]: In the first two rounds they have drafted 13 bats in six pitchers

[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Four of those pitchers are in the big leagues or are at were at some point

[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Kirby

[00:42:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Gilbert emerson hankock and brandon williamson all big leaguers

[00:43:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Four of six in the first two rounds. Oh, that's pretty that's pretty good hit rate

[00:43:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Throw in connor phillips too. He got some big league time last year

[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I guess technically. Yeah second rounder. So five of seven

[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_01]: That's pretty good

[00:43:17] [SPEAKER_01]: uh the bats

[00:43:22] [SPEAKER_01]: 13

[00:43:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Since jerry took over in the first two rounds

[00:43:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Take a i'm gonna compose myself here. He's taken 13 bats

[00:43:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Three of them have made the big leagues

[00:43:36] [SPEAKER_01]: kyle lewis

[00:43:37] [SPEAKER_01]: evan white

[00:43:39] [SPEAKER_01]: And zack deloach

[00:43:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Did not debut as a mariner

[00:43:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm

[00:43:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Now you wonder why people think they hadn't invested in bats. Oh, they have

[00:43:50] [SPEAKER_01]: They've not done a very good job of

[00:43:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Developing them

[00:43:55] [SPEAKER_01]: We're talking about first and second round picks

[00:43:58] [SPEAKER_01]: These guys should be stars out of 13 lyle. You'd think one of those guys would turn into a stud

[00:44:04] [SPEAKER_01]: one

[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Zach deloach by the way had a 622 ops with the chicago white socks this year

[00:44:12] Yeah

[00:44:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Now the other guys can be good. Some of those 13 are still in the minors with the mariners right now

[00:44:17] [SPEAKER_01]: But the rest of them and i'm looking at callous ebb and white joe rizzo. You remember him jerry's first second round pick

[00:44:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Guys like that that you expect to pop off

[00:44:28] [SPEAKER_01]: That just don't have not uh as as a mariner. I will note calrally was a third round picked turned out okay

[00:44:35] [SPEAKER_01]: 2018 draft

[00:44:37] [SPEAKER_01]: But the rest of these guys

[00:44:40] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not for lack of trying

[00:44:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Not in the dra not in terms of how this question was framed with draft stock

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_01]: They've spent plenty of draft stock on hitters

[00:44:50] [SPEAKER_01]: But those hitters haven't turned out well at all

[00:44:54] [SPEAKER_02]: So does anybody know what on earth is

[00:44:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Up in the world of ebb and white these days

[00:45:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Like is he

[00:45:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Is he still continuing to play baseball? I mean i've got his baseball reference page pulled up here

[00:45:07] [SPEAKER_02]: He had three played appearances this year in the acl for the angels aka and rookie ball

[00:45:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Didn't have a hit in those three played appearances, but

[00:45:17] [SPEAKER_02]: That's it

[00:45:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Like like i don't know what's going on with this guy

[00:45:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I know he missed all of what 2023 with the hip injury

[00:45:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And then once he was traded i figured he'd at least be back at some point in 2024

[00:45:31] [SPEAKER_02]: But no he wasn't even playing in triple a

[00:45:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know

[00:45:36] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a tragic story

[00:45:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Kyle Lewis meanwhile like he didn't play anywhere this year. He just wasn't playing

[00:45:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah

[00:45:43] [SPEAKER_01]: At least haven't got paid. Kyle didn't

[00:45:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm. Yeah

[00:45:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Which is biggest contracts ever

[00:45:50] [SPEAKER_02]: You know during that mather press conference when one of many things he decided to spill the tea on

[00:45:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Was that when evan white was offered that contract? He had all these players

[00:46:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Telling him don't sign it don't sign it and he didn't listen and sign it. Well, it was probably a good idea that he signed it

[00:46:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, in terms of guys they've offered those kinds of contracts too

[00:46:12] [SPEAKER_01]: He's probably the one who benefited the most from

[00:46:15] [SPEAKER_01]: From from getting that and good for him like 24 million dollars is an incredible amount of money

[00:46:19] [SPEAKER_01]: So someone offers it to you

[00:46:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Unless you're like julio and they offered him probably offered him that contract too before his rookie year

[00:46:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Sign it

[00:46:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah agreed

[00:46:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, we have two more questions to go

[00:46:36] [SPEAKER_02]: One of them

[00:46:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Is on instagram actually the final two are both on instagram one is from k underscore y underscore

[00:46:46] [SPEAKER_02]: 1507 he asks

[00:46:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Besides spending

[00:46:50] [SPEAKER_02]: What would you like to see change with ownership? Well, I have my answer, but i'll let you go first

[00:46:57] [SPEAKER_01]: There's one very obvious one that lao and I will both echo it's transparency

[00:47:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Owners owe it to the public

[00:47:06] [SPEAKER_01]: who

[00:47:07] [SPEAKER_01]: fund their stadium

[00:47:09] [SPEAKER_01]: fund their roster by the tickets by the merchandise

[00:47:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Watch the team by cable packages

[00:47:16] [SPEAKER_01]: By streaming services all to watch the team

[00:47:19] [SPEAKER_01]: And make the team all this money

[00:47:23] [SPEAKER_01]: so

[00:47:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Ownership of teams owes it to fans

[00:47:27] [SPEAKER_01]: To be transparent with them and be honest

[00:47:31] [SPEAKER_01]: about what their goals are and how they plan on

[00:47:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Fulfilling their responsibility to the fans which is

[00:47:40] [SPEAKER_01]: providing entertainment and a successful baseball team because

[00:47:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Just remember that teams

[00:47:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Don't exist without fans

[00:47:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Sports doesn't exist if no one cares about it. That's the whole reason it exists

[00:47:53] [SPEAKER_01]: So the very least people can do the owners can do be transparent

[00:47:58] [SPEAKER_01]: That's number one number two. I have a very specific one

[00:48:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Is that whenever the Mariners want a new stadium which eventually they will want one?

[00:48:07] [SPEAKER_01]: that this new owner

[00:48:10] [SPEAKER_01]: in

[00:48:10] [SPEAKER_01]: in

[00:48:12] [SPEAKER_01]: In a philosophical sense would pay for the new stadium

[00:48:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Because it is one of the biggest ripoffs

[00:48:19] [SPEAKER_01]: in this country

[00:48:20] [SPEAKER_01]: that the fans

[00:48:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Who pay for all these teams who buy although again everything I listed before were the reason

[00:48:29] [SPEAKER_01]: That these teams function also have to pay for the stadium that these teams

[00:48:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Play in even though they see zero of the profits that come out of that stadium

[00:48:38] [SPEAKER_01]: So that would be a couple of things for me. I'll leave the rest of the floor to you

[00:48:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just thinking about the stadium building thing is a really good point

[00:48:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't even know if twitter is going to be around the next time that the mariners

[00:48:50] [SPEAKER_02]: need to build a stadium, but

[00:48:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Can you imagine the reaction of the fan base if after all the ways that they've operated as a especially as of late over the last

[00:48:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Handful of years if it continues that way, etc. If they also say hey fans

[00:49:05] [SPEAKER_02]: You're paying for this stadium. Can you can you imagine the how mariners fans would react to that?

[00:49:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Incensed pissed off and we see what happens

[00:49:13] [SPEAKER_01]: We see we see what happens with this a different franchise

[00:49:16] [SPEAKER_01]: That's the reason the a's are moving because john fisher wants a sweet deal from oakland

[00:49:21] [SPEAKER_01]: For the taxpayers to pay for it because he doesn't want to pay for it

[00:49:25] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's happening in milwaukee too

[00:49:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so it sucks these again. These people are worth an obscene amount of money

[00:49:34] [SPEAKER_01]: obscene

[00:49:37] [SPEAKER_01]: And the fact that the regular people like us have to pay for the stadiums through our tax dollars is absurd

[00:49:43] [SPEAKER_01]: The hundreds of millions of dollars that go towards stadiums could go to

[00:49:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Thousands of better things that will benefit society more than sports stadiums the people with all the money should be the ones paying for the stadiums

[00:49:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, correct

[00:49:59] [SPEAKER_02]: So what's my answer? Well, there's a couple bullet points here

[00:50:01] [SPEAKER_02]: First one is the fan base somehow gets to steve balmer enough where he he hears our echoes enough to buy the team

[00:50:07] [SPEAKER_02]: That's that's number one

[00:50:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Let me break in here speaking of people who pay for their own stadiums steve balmer pays for his own stadium that into it dome

[00:50:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Came out of his pocket and and that's now going to be the nicest arena in the nba

[00:50:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so

[00:50:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, unfortunately, I think steve balmer is much more a basketball fan than a baseball fan

[00:50:29] [SPEAKER_02]: However, if we're asking a hypothetical scenario here and you're asking what what we think yeah like get get steve balmered about the team

[00:50:37] [SPEAKER_02]: number two

[00:50:38] [SPEAKER_02]: this is kind of in your bucket but

[00:50:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Transparency and transparent you talked about transparency from owners more in a general major league baseball stands

[00:50:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm now talking

[00:50:49] [SPEAKER_02]: In a seattle mariner sense. There is

[00:50:53] [SPEAKER_02]: So much

[00:50:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Hiding in the shadows from this ownership group most specifically from the guy who has the highest stake in the team

[00:51:01] [SPEAKER_02]: In chris larson who we dove in depth about in our last episode if you want to go listen to more of that and haven't listened to it yet

[00:51:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Go listen to it

[00:51:10] [SPEAKER_02]: because

[00:51:12] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll say it again. John sands the face of the ownership group because he's the chairman

[00:51:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Is he the one that deserves the most blame?

[00:51:19] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll never know for sure

[00:51:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think so

[00:51:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's chris larson who

[00:51:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Again, I'm not even convinced is a real person and I kind of think is a fictional character because nobody ever sees them

[00:51:30] [SPEAKER_02]: The guy's a ghost. I don't know if he ever goes to games. I don't know if he's been to a game in 10 years

[00:51:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I have no idea

[00:51:35] [SPEAKER_02]: so

[00:51:37] [SPEAKER_02]: That would be number one like people on this ownership group need to speak

[00:51:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Especially at the point where we're at where mariner fans are this in sense and they're this frustrated and they're this dejected

[00:51:49] [SPEAKER_02]: People are owed some explanation. It's never gonna happen. I understand how owners

[00:51:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Think in a general sense and I understand why the team would never let them come out and speak

[00:51:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Because they have everything to lose and nothing to gain. However

[00:52:02] [SPEAKER_02]: In terms of what the fans will want and what we want to see. Yeah, we want transparency

[00:52:07] [SPEAKER_02]: We want to know if you're going to operate like this

[00:52:09] [SPEAKER_02]: At least tell us why at least be honest about it

[00:52:12] [SPEAKER_02]: The bigger point I was going to make is

[00:52:15] [SPEAKER_02]: This ownership group needs to understand

[00:52:19] [SPEAKER_02]: What the purpose of owning a pro sports team is

[00:52:23] [SPEAKER_02]: It's to give back

[00:52:25] [SPEAKER_02]: To uplift others provide joy to a community to bring an entire city

[00:52:30] [SPEAKER_02]: And in this case an entire region

[00:52:33] [SPEAKER_02]: together

[00:52:34] [SPEAKER_02]: That is what good owners do

[00:52:36] [SPEAKER_02]: You look at some of these atmospheres around baseball especially in playoff settings when it is a true

[00:52:42] [SPEAKER_02]: region connected

[00:52:44] [SPEAKER_02]: United

[00:52:45] [SPEAKER_02]: standing together

[00:52:47] [SPEAKER_02]: All in common support of one thing

[00:52:50] [SPEAKER_02]: A team that they desperately want to see win

[00:52:53] [SPEAKER_02]: That is what an owner is supposed to do. It is supposed to be almost like a charity

[00:52:59] [SPEAKER_02]: A charity project for them

[00:53:01] [SPEAKER_02]: To give back

[00:53:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, you might make you will probably make money off it

[00:53:05] [SPEAKER_02]: But the big the bigger picture is to have it be a charity project

[00:53:09] [SPEAKER_02]: It is not simply to collect paychecks

[00:53:12] [SPEAKER_02]: It is not to pick pocket fans and it's not to make yourself even richer when you have a billion dollars to your name already

[00:53:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Like you want to be selfish? You want to you want to like flaunt all your money?

[00:53:24] [SPEAKER_02]: retire go on vacations go play golf. I don't really care

[00:53:28] [SPEAKER_02]: But don't fuck over an entire region of fans who are begging

[00:53:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Begging for this team to just be great

[00:53:35] [SPEAKER_02]: be great

[00:53:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Don't fuck over an entire region of fans

[00:53:40] [SPEAKER_02]: When fans want to see this team be a contender be a world series contend like and be a world series winner

[00:53:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Only to have a very small handful of one percenters ruin it for everyone

[00:53:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't quite go in the red on that answer, but

[00:53:53] [SPEAKER_02]: That is like I didn't I didn't see red

[00:53:55] [SPEAKER_02]: But that is my answer to that question. That is what an owner and a good owner is supposed to do

[00:54:03] [SPEAKER_01]: And I have an idea not a perfect idea for people who want to make money

[00:54:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Especially if you have a lot of it

[00:54:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Without having to do any work

[00:54:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Worry about fans worry about people wanting to win go buy some stock

[00:54:18] [SPEAKER_01]: mm-hmm

[00:54:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Money sits there and makes money for you. You don't have to do you don't have to do anything

[00:54:23] [SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to do anything

[00:54:25] [SPEAKER_02]: You want to be around sports go sports bet go buy yourself a suite and

[00:54:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Put on put out a bunch of parlays

[00:54:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And go watch the games live in person. I don't care go to a sports book

[00:54:36] [SPEAKER_02]: You want to make money that way you want to be around sports do that again

[00:54:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Don't fuck over an entire region of fans that just wants to see their team that they grew up loving be great

[00:54:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Because you want to pick pocket them and save a bunch of money

[00:54:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Well said, I don't have anything else to add there. Allow. Good job. Good. I'm glad

[00:54:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Again, I think that answer was people in the comments can let us know that wasn't quite me like

[00:54:58] [SPEAKER_02]: No, no not like on the last episode where yeah, I'm like really yelling that is like

[00:55:01] [SPEAKER_02]: You can hear the anger in my voice, but I didn't have to get to screaming levels. So yeah

[00:55:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's end the show on a high note. This last question comes from udub daniel on instagram question is

[00:55:12] [SPEAKER_01]: build your dream mariners lineup from active mlb players

[00:55:18] [SPEAKER_02]: God I put this together and i'm like could you even imagine where this?

[00:55:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, this is just an all-star team

[00:55:23] [SPEAKER_02]: So no teams ever really gonna have this but it is a fun idea. So here's what I've got

[00:55:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I do have one mariner on this list and you may say lile you have a mariner on an offensive list

[00:55:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, believe her or not. Yeah, I put cal at catcher

[00:55:38] [SPEAKER_02]: There is a legitimate argument. He was the best catcher in baseball this year

[00:55:42] [SPEAKER_02]: A real argument you can make the case for some others. That's fine. I think you have somebody different

[00:55:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I went with cal

[00:55:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, I've brice harper at first marcus semi in its second

[00:55:53] [SPEAKER_02]: bobby witt is short

[00:55:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Jose Ramirez at third my outfield is one soto ronald acuna erin judge

[00:56:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And of course

[00:56:02] [SPEAKER_02]: If it wasn't obvious enough i've show haydh

[00:56:04] [SPEAKER_02]: What a line up

[00:56:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's a lot of hypotheticals in my lineup where

[00:56:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Players could have been mariners or were mariners

[00:56:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh

[00:56:15] [SPEAKER_01]: A mine could have been too, but no actual mariners

[00:56:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Mine could have been too, but you go first

[00:56:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I wrote mine out as a lineup. So bobby bobby at short bobby witt jr. Show hay

[00:56:27] [SPEAKER_01]: erin judge and center won soto and left bladdy at first

[00:56:31] [SPEAKER_01]: hosier mer is a third

[00:56:32] [SPEAKER_01]: jaren duran i picked as my right fielder based off of 2024 performance

[00:56:37] [SPEAKER_01]: William contraris is catching

[00:56:39] [SPEAKER_01]: You can make an argument him cal. There's some others that

[00:56:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Could be the best catcher in baseball contraris is pretty good

[00:56:46] [SPEAKER_01]: He's he's pretty good and then kittal marté is my second baseman who could also play center by the way

[00:56:51] [SPEAKER_01]: So let's let's let's check through my lineup lyle

[00:56:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Our number two hitter in this lineup

[00:56:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Can I ask you one question before we get into that?

[00:57:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I know i know you said 2020 2024 production alone and maybe that's more what went into your list, but

[00:57:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Is there no part of you that feels weird having jaren duran in there over ronald acuna and fernando tate's jr

[00:57:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Is duran not the best right fielder in baseball this year?

[00:57:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe he is

[00:57:19] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a case. He is I just there you know, I don't know. I I think I'd still take acuna or tate's personally

[00:57:25] [SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, it's not it's not a wrong list. I was just it's just a question

[00:57:29] [SPEAKER_01]: So let's get to the hypotheticals of this list the number two batter in my lineup mr. Shohei otani

[00:57:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Could have been a seattle mariner

[00:57:37] [SPEAKER_01]: They had the stones to offer him some money

[00:57:39] [SPEAKER_02]: but they didn't

[00:57:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Not a smart strategy

[00:57:42] [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's it's not a smart strategy to have the only 50 50 player in mlb history on your roster when you can't hit

[00:57:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Mr. Aaron judge was also a free agent

[00:57:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm looked into going to the west coast as well

[00:57:55] really

[00:57:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Aaron judge playing on the west coast

[00:57:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm not a good strategy could have been an option

[00:58:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh and I see he had one of the 10 best offensive seasons of all time this year, right?

[00:58:06] [SPEAKER_01]: But that doesn't help a team that can't hit

[00:58:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no

[00:58:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, he also happens to hit really well really well in t mobile park

[00:58:14] [SPEAKER_02]: But again like paying paying a guy in your 30s who's one of the best hitters of all time at this point. No, it's it's a bad strategy

[00:58:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Number four hitter in my lineup will be a free agent this off season, but he's still too old to sign wansoto

[00:58:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, he's younger than brice miller. He's way too old again

[00:58:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I said on the last episode put wansoto in a retirement home like again

[00:58:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Is there a theme here? Not a smart strategy

[00:58:37] [SPEAKER_01]: And then the number nine hitter of this lineup was a jerry de poto mariner at one point

[00:58:42] [SPEAKER_01]: So there you go the mariner's nostalgia tied back to my lineup

[00:58:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah

[00:58:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean there's there's guys you can list off on my list too. I mean you already covered shohei you covered judge

[00:58:53] [SPEAKER_02]: You covered soto. I guess the only other one I'd cover on my list is

[00:58:56] [SPEAKER_02]: marcus semian who

[00:58:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Again would have been awesome

[00:59:01] [SPEAKER_02]: But no

[00:59:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Not a smart strategy. No

[00:59:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Although they did want them. They did want him. Yeah, so that okay

[00:59:08] [SPEAKER_02]: That's the one thing I'll say about him is that one may be more on scott boris than the mariners

[00:59:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Now we're the mariners willing to go seven years. I don't know

[00:59:16] [SPEAKER_02]: We don't know all the details of the contract. They might have wanted to go like five, but

[00:59:20] [SPEAKER_01]: But wow, why would they why would they double back on their philosophy?

[00:59:24] [SPEAKER_01]: No, so again marcus semian was 30 plus. Where's the benefit?

[00:59:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Again, it ultimately comes down to once again

[00:59:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Not a smart strategy. No, it's not. No, it's not the mariners are better off without marcus semian. It's it's clear as day

[00:59:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you didn't love abe toro at second base

[00:59:43] [SPEAKER_01]: At least he has upside lyle. He's young. He's controllable

[00:59:47] [SPEAKER_01]: switch hits

[00:59:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Teej trade traded him in one of the most impactful

[00:59:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Chaotic trades in mariners history. Yeah, who wouldn't want that?

[00:59:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Teej, I just want you to sit here and and mull this over for a minute here

[01:00:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Like the swing in the pendulum that we saw the mariners opted

[01:00:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Not

[01:00:07] [SPEAKER_02]: To sign marcus semian

[01:00:09] [SPEAKER_02]: And rolled out abraham toro. Now. This is a safe space. How does that make you feel?

[01:00:21] [SPEAKER_01]: not good

[01:00:23] [SPEAKER_01]: They watched abe toro in 2021

[01:00:26] [SPEAKER_01]: sat there and thought

[01:00:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah

[01:00:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's roll him back out there. Yeah

[01:00:34] [SPEAKER_01]: And then the other second baseman that came after him were only slightly better

[01:00:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Colton long you mean?

[01:00:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Colton adam frazier. Well adam frazier and abe toro were both at second base in 22

[01:00:46] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, so that's the other guy that was in that equation is frazier, but

[01:00:49] [SPEAKER_01]: And then joray polanco this year. So yeah, nice job guys

[01:00:56] [SPEAKER_01]: You figured it all out

[01:00:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's give it up for a round of applause lyle

[01:01:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean people that run baseball teams are always

[01:01:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Smarter than than everyone else, right? I this isn't well. This isn't a jerry thing. Obviously jerry is really smart

[01:01:11] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, the people that i'm not doubting they're they're not smart

[01:01:15] [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, they might be smarter than us, but if you only win 85 games who cares how smart you are

[01:01:22] Well

[01:01:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I would like to let everybody know now i'm using baseball reference because I don't want to

[01:01:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to pull up fan graphs, which always takes so long to load because there's there's so much information on there

[01:01:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Does that happen to you too? Right the fan graphs takes forever to load

[01:01:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I have a fancy smancy computer. So no

[01:01:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, okay, I should I should rephrase it doesn't take forever to load

[01:01:45] [SPEAKER_02]: But like there are times and i've seen people on twitter talk about this too where like

[01:01:49] [SPEAKER_02]: People are like, oh it takes forever or especially if you've got like

[01:01:52] [SPEAKER_02]: You know other tabs open like we're using to record the podcast right now where you need

[01:01:56] [SPEAKER_01]: You need computer energy might slow like in theory. Yes, but I'm like I was not joking my computer is pretty fast

[01:02:02] [SPEAKER_02]: So okay, anyway, I pulled up baseball reference. I'm just gonna use b war here

[01:02:06] [SPEAKER_02]: But I would like everybody to know in marcus semian's first three years with the rangers

[01:02:11] [SPEAKER_02]: five and a half war

[01:02:13] [SPEAKER_02]: seven and a half war

[01:02:15] [SPEAKER_02]: four war

[01:02:16] [SPEAKER_02]: despite

[01:02:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Marcus semian

[01:02:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Actually only being a 100 ops plus hitter this year he had a he had a tough second half

[01:02:24] [SPEAKER_02]: So his numbers his numbers deteriorated this year that being said

[01:02:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Still a four-war player and that is still better than by a landslide

[01:02:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Then anybody the mariner's have rolled out a second base in the last few years

[01:02:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Most of the players on the mariner's roster

[01:02:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so if we were going to try to do math again and combine that

[01:02:44] [SPEAKER_01]: That's why I would be the only one only hitter with a higher war than him

[01:02:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, so Marcus semian has put up about 17 wins in three years, but you know what?

[01:02:52] [SPEAKER_02]: That's just not a smart strategy

[01:02:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Who's the last mariner period to put up?

[01:02:56] [SPEAKER_01]: 17 wins in three seasons

[01:03:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm hulio might be close because he had what six six and about

[01:03:06] [SPEAKER_01]: about

[01:03:08] [SPEAKER_02]: 16 at about 16. So no technically not so yeah, not hulio not cal not any of the pitchers

[01:03:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Well

[01:03:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Robbie

[01:03:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Robbie

[01:03:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe

[01:03:22] [SPEAKER_01]: It probably can oh, yeah, I don't think it would be nely because he's dh

[01:03:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, oh, sorry Robbie

[01:03:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Robbie like the guy who's their scarred they're scarred by by giving that contract to again not a smart strategy

[01:03:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Keep counter

[01:03:39] [SPEAKER_01]: contradicting ourselves

[01:03:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like I mean they never well they never should have given that contract out. It was a mistake

[01:03:49] [SPEAKER_02]: We ain't living this down we're not

[01:03:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry well as soon as they sign a free agent this off season our first reaction on this podcast going to be

[01:03:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, not worth it

[01:04:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Actually he's gonna be worse off

[01:04:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Forget mariners signing free agents every time we see any free agents this winner that we're interested in go off the board

[01:04:10] [SPEAKER_02]: That's probably gonna be our reaction too. Well, not a smart strategy

[01:04:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Yankees win the world series they resign one soto to a 500 million dollar contract and

[01:04:19] [SPEAKER_01]: At least we can go to sleep knowing the yankees will be worse off in the future. They're not gonna be better

[01:04:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah by giving future

[01:04:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Hall of Famer and modern-day Ted Williams all the money he deserves. Yeah

[01:04:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, future to future now have two future monument park guys out there too

[01:04:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, I mean soto stays in the Bronx the rest of his career

[01:04:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's going into monument park and judge. It's not worth it. It's not worth it. No, he's not worth it

[01:04:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, again, I'll say it again. We didn't we didn't do that much 54 talk last year

[01:04:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like I feel like there's gonna be a lot more of this this off season

[01:04:56] [SPEAKER_01]: You you got a every day. I think on brocken salk. It needs to be your mission to get one of those in

[01:05:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Just say not a smart strategy. Yeah, it's not smart adding adding adding guys and free agents. He's not smart

[01:05:09] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah

[01:05:13] [SPEAKER_01]: You again, you got to counterbalance the energy of the show. You got it

[01:05:17] [SPEAKER_01]: It's true your job to stir the pot

[01:05:20] [SPEAKER_02]: It's my it's my job to be like the voice of mariners twitter on that show. I guess it is it is

[01:05:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're the only one actively on it. It's true

[01:05:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we can try hopefully you guys enjoyed that mailbag

[01:05:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, you guys always always deliver with the questions you send

[01:05:36] [SPEAKER_02]: So thank you guys to everybody that sent us questions if we didn't get to yours

[01:05:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Send us in more the next time we have a mailbag and we will absolutely try and get to it

[01:05:44] [SPEAKER_02]: but

[01:05:46] [SPEAKER_02]: For now that'll just about wrap up this edition of the marine liar podcast

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