Lyle and TJ give their thoughts on some of the recent roster shuffling (2:30). They then jump into the waters of the latest hypothetical in Mariners land...... trading for Ronald Acuña Jr.. Sounds crazy right? Well, they try and break down how it could possibly happen (13:28). The two of them then open up the mailbag and answer fan questions about new deadline targets, favorite interviews, an aggressive prospect promotion, and more (39:26). They close out the show with the No. 4 MLB Draft Spotlight, HS RHP Seth Hernandez (1:01:05).
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00:00 --> 00:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to episode number two, sixty three of the Marine layer podcast.
00:03 --> 00:04 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a mailback episode.
00:04 --> 00:08 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll open it up and answer your guys' best listener questions.
00:08 --> 00:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Speaking of listener questions and really fan ideas, there was an idea floating around Mariners Twitter this week.
00:14 --> 00:20 [SPEAKER_00]: That is wild, funny, crazy and could be the ultimate hypothetical leading up to this trade deadline.
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01:11 --> 01:19 [SPEAKER_00]: And we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Lair podcast part of the just baseball podcast network recording on Thursday afternoon July third.
01:19 --> 01:26 [SPEAKER_00]: It seems like the Mariners again might have taken some notes from our discussions here on the podcast.
01:26 --> 01:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Lyle going into the week.
01:27 --> 01:29 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, are it who's going to hit around Cal Raleigh?
01:29 --> 01:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Who's going to hit clean up?
01:31 --> 01:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Who's going to really support this line up outside of the Big Dumber?
01:35 --> 01:36 [SPEAKER_00]: And then Randy arose a rain happened.
01:36 --> 01:37 [SPEAKER_00]: How about that?
01:38 --> 01:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Shout out Randy.
01:39 --> 01:42 [SPEAKER_01]: We've said it, we've talked about it, and we'll just stay here again.
01:43 --> 01:53 [SPEAKER_01]: When Randy arose, a rena gets on a heater, he can carry an offense for a week at a time, two weeks at a time, whatever the stretch is that Randy's on a hot streak, he can carry an offense.
01:53 --> 02:01 [SPEAKER_01]: So far in this royal series, Randy's essentially carried the offense, and not to say they had a world-beater type night on Wednesday, but
02:02 --> 02:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Randy was the whole difference in Wednesday's win.
02:04 --> 02:08 [SPEAKER_01]: He hits the home run and then he has the sack fly which ended up being the game deciding run.
02:09 --> 02:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Shout out Randy.
02:10 --> 02:14 [SPEAKER_00]: And Randy has shown the ability this season also to fight through a little bit of adversity.
02:14 --> 02:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Got off to the really hot start.
02:16 --> 02:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Then in the few weeks after that after the first month of April by June six, he ended up his slash line wasn't great at that point.
02:26 --> 02:34 [SPEAKER_00]: It was trending in the wrong direction, but since then, I mean, he's really turned it around in the last month and has gotten himself back up to where he was in April.
02:34 --> 02:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, listen to this stat.
02:35 --> 02:46 [SPEAKER_00]: This is we posted this on our Instagram earlier this week, and I tweeted out these numbers from the Mariners offensive performance from April versus what they did for May first on.
02:46 --> 02:48 [SPEAKER_00]: And there's some pretty stark differences.
02:48 --> 02:53 [SPEAKER_00]: You and I have talked about the difference that Jorge Polanco was first month versus since then.
02:53 --> 02:57 [SPEAKER_00]: We've talked about the difference of what Dylan Moore has done in the first month.
02:57 --> 03:04 [SPEAKER_00]: And then since May first as well, I mean, Cal Raleigh's one of the few guys who's really improved in that sense.
03:04 --> 03:07 [SPEAKER_00]: JP Crawford had tailed off a little bit in that span.
03:08 --> 03:11 [SPEAKER_00]: He's still having a solid season, but it hasn't been quite as good as it was in that first month.
03:12 --> 03:13 [SPEAKER_00]: There's one guy.
03:14 --> 03:29 [SPEAKER_00]: in that group that I tweeted out that has been consistent and has been essentially level both in April and then sense April and that's Randy Rosarena the first month the season when the Mariners were scoring a bunch of runs Randy had a one twenty one WRC plus
03:29 --> 03:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Since May first, as of earlier this week, it's probably going up at this point.
03:33 --> 03:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Randy Rose Arena has a one twenty WRC plus.
03:37 --> 03:48 [SPEAKER_00]: It's pretty important when Randy's doing that and he's contributing to the lineup and he's slugging and he's heading home runs and overall helping the Mariners score the runs they need to go out there and win cause look.
03:49 --> 03:52 [SPEAKER_00]: There are some points where you're going to get to like yesterday.
03:52 --> 03:58 [SPEAKER_00]: And the Mariners yesterday, meaning Wednesday, the Mariners are going to put out a lineup that doesn't have Cal Rowling in it.
03:58 --> 04:04 [SPEAKER_00]: And they're going to have to give him a day off where you and I sit there and look at the lineup and be like, this sucks.
04:05 --> 04:06 [SPEAKER_00]: This lineup sucks.
04:07 --> 04:09 [SPEAKER_00]: How are they going to score runs to win the game?
04:09 --> 04:18 [SPEAKER_00]: They're going to need to rely on one guy and boy did they ever and Randy came through and shockingly they scored enough runs to win the game while
04:20 --> 04:22 [SPEAKER_01]: which was the read, but hey, sometimes that's all you need.
04:23 --> 04:27 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what, Randy is the eight hundred OPS now on the season as we sit here on Thursday afternoon and record.
04:27 --> 04:30 [SPEAKER_01]: For the year, Randy, eight hundred OPS.
04:30 --> 04:35 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a good hitter, a good year, and he has really been a difference maker, especially when he's been hot.
04:35 --> 04:36 [SPEAKER_01]: So shout out to Randy.
04:36 --> 04:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Also,
04:38 --> 04:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Shout out Logan Evans.
04:39 --> 04:40 [SPEAKER_01]: He's back.
04:42 --> 04:46 [SPEAKER_01]: He got called back up here on Thursday and he's going to start here on Thursday night.
04:46 --> 04:48 [SPEAKER_01]: So we're recording ahead of that start.
04:49 --> 04:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I also think it's
04:50 --> 05:11 [SPEAKER_01]: fairly ironic that he's going to be starting in this game when the Mariners are taking on Seth Lugo because we've seen some comps flowed it out there since Logan made his debut this year that yeah there's a little bit of Seth Lugo in there he's not going to overpower you at least to this point in his career throws a bunch of different pitches get soft contact keeps his team in games
05:12 --> 05:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, and when he's at his best is really good.
05:15 --> 05:18 [SPEAKER_01]: As we know about Seth Lugo over the last two years, he's been one of the best pictures in baseball.
05:19 --> 05:20 [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know.
05:20 --> 05:22 [SPEAKER_01]: It's cool to see him go up against the guys who come to a bit.
05:23 --> 05:25 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm excited to see what he does in his second stint in the majors.
05:26 --> 05:29 [SPEAKER_00]: We saw what Emerson did when he came back for his second stint this season.
05:30 --> 05:33 [SPEAKER_00]: What he worked on down into coma and then what he brought back up to the big leagues.
05:33 --> 05:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm excited to see what that looks like for Logan and what kind of things he's tweaked and if he'll approach things a little differently now that he's absorbed a few major league starts and knows what to go and work on in a lower pressure environment.
05:47 --> 05:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm very excited for that.
05:48 --> 05:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Why ultimately do you think they decided it was time for Logan to come back up and start more games as opposed to just letting Emerson feel things out?
05:59 --> 06:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Emerson's Velo's been a little down in his last couple starts.
06:02 --> 06:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that's the entire reason.
06:04 --> 06:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think his outing against the Royals alone got him sent back by any means.
06:11 --> 06:23 [SPEAKER_01]: It's very, very unlikely that when you build up, even as much track record as Emerson Hancock has, which still isn't a ton to this point, but he had had some really good starts throughout the year.
06:25 --> 06:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna guess there's maybe some stuff under the hood.
06:28 --> 06:35 [SPEAKER_01]: that the Mariners are seeing, whether it's the dip in the VLO, and could be a few other things that got them sent back.
06:35 --> 06:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if there's a perfect answer for why you got sent back.
06:38 --> 06:46 [SPEAKER_01]: They haven't really talked about it to this point, but if I had to guess, they're seeing some things from ever send that maybe to them warranted some concern.
06:47 --> 06:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And for Logan Evans, who we know they really like, and we know has really good stuff, and some really good potential, that
06:56 --> 07:10 [SPEAKER_01]: they may have seen some stuff play up from him or more so say the same from where it was in the big leagues in his last few outings in Tacoma that they said yeah we're ready to give him a little bit more of an elongated shot because you would assume here that he would run with this until Bryce Miller's back.
07:12 --> 07:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I also feel like this is a little bit just first.
07:16 --> 07:26 [SPEAKER_00]: It also works out that this could be some bullpen help too, where they just give the bullpen an extra arm for a day to offset any, you know, really anything else.
07:27 --> 07:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there could be a world where after the All Star Break, they bring Hancock back.
07:30 --> 07:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying that's impossible, but, sure, maybe they felt like they needed the extra bullpen arm.
07:35 --> 07:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Logan was slated to start Friday for Tacoma in Utah before he got called back up.
07:41 --> 07:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And by the Mariners starting him on Thursday, they're pushing everybody a day back.
07:45 --> 07:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they feel like that's going to help the starters too to get everybody an extra day arrest and then get the rest during all star week.
07:51 --> 07:52 [SPEAKER_01]: So there could be something to that as well.
07:53 --> 07:55 [SPEAKER_00]: So a number of things with this decision.
07:55 --> 07:56 [SPEAKER_00]: You give Logan a second look.
07:57 --> 07:58 [SPEAKER_00]: You give the bullpen.
07:58 --> 08:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Some extra arms potentially some extra rest.
08:00 --> 08:03 [SPEAKER_00]: You just same thing with your rotation as we
08:04 --> 08:13 [SPEAKER_00]: We're not quite in the dog days of summary yet, but for the guys who have been in this rotation the entire season, like Brian will especially just going out there and bulldog and yet same with Luis Castillo.
08:14 --> 08:23 [SPEAKER_00]: This is one thing, you know, you might start to feel a little tired and a little fatigued and getting that extra day in a stretch where you have seventeen games in a row.
08:23 --> 08:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's kind of important.
08:24 --> 08:25 [SPEAKER_00]: So we'll see.
08:25 --> 08:27 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm anticipating Logan Evans pitching well.
08:28 --> 08:29 [SPEAKER_00]: The pirates are not a good offensive team.
08:30 --> 08:30 [SPEAKER_00]: So I would.
08:31 --> 08:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I would anticipate Logan's going to go off there and he's going to feel confident.
08:34 --> 08:35 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not pitching against the.
08:35 --> 08:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Or sorry, the Royals are even worse offensively.
08:39 --> 08:40 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like it's statement.
08:40 --> 08:45 [SPEAKER_00]: The teams, the two teams, he could potentially face in this homestand, cannot score runs.
08:45 --> 08:48 [SPEAKER_00]: So, or not, not as high a rate as anyone else.
08:49 --> 08:50 [SPEAKER_00]: So, that kind of works out for him.
08:51 --> 08:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I think what we'll be telling in the Logan Evans verse, Emerson Hancock, totem pole ranking is who's in the rotation after the All Star Break.
08:59 --> 09:06 [SPEAKER_01]: If it's still Logan and he sticks, that means they feel like he's probably to some extent past up Emerson Hancock on the totem pole.
09:06 --> 09:07 [SPEAKER_01]: If they bring Hancock back,
09:08 --> 09:22 [SPEAKER_01]: That means it wasn't all performance based or stuff based for Emerson for why they sent him down, that it was maybe to what you're talking about as a possibility of getting the bullpen a little bit of extra rest, pushing the rotation a little bit back, etc.
09:22 --> 09:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying those things had nothing to do with the move period, but I think in terms of who's got the upper edge right now, who's starting out of the all-star break in the rotation will be telling to that.
09:33 --> 09:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, we'll be.
09:33 --> 09:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
09:34 --> 09:34 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what?
09:35 --> 09:38 [SPEAKER_01]: One other thing before we get to our very, very fun hypothetical.
09:39 --> 09:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Another pretty cool thing for Logan, too.
09:41 --> 09:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Where's he making his next start after this royal's one?
09:44 --> 09:44 [SPEAKER_01]: In Detroit.
09:45 --> 09:45 [SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty cool.
09:47 --> 09:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you threw up a tiger's fan, growing a game, or going all these games, he loved Mickey.
09:53 --> 09:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know all those family and friends, like all those buddies I met at his debut that flew out for the start, I'm sure going to be at that one.
10:00 --> 10:01 [SPEAKER_01]: So that would be pretty cool.
10:01 --> 10:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I would be interested to know how many family members and friends Logan has at that start.
10:06 --> 10:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm guessing it's going to be a lot.
10:08 --> 10:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Because obviously, he, he, he, he, he had the max ticking a lot, man.
10:12 --> 10:38 [SPEAKER_01]: he would guess he's going to have the max ticket a lot meant and then probably having friends that aren't even in his inner circle also just going to the game and showing up and buying tickets because he had so many people which was so cool travel out for his debut but when it's right in your backyard and it's even more people so that's that's pretty cool yeah now said that should be very fun and it'd be a fun match of forum too and not every not every day to get to go up against the best team in the american league and
10:39 --> 10:39 [SPEAKER_00]: really test yourself.
10:40 --> 10:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it'll be fun.
10:41 --> 10:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
10:41 --> 10:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm speaking of the Tigers, by the way, because you and I noted this, they put out the starters, congrats to Cal, Cal starting at starting at catcher for the American League.
10:52 --> 10:54 [SPEAKER_00]: But how about the names in that lineup?
10:55 --> 10:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Speaking of that, hobby bias, Ryan O'Hurn.
10:59 --> 11:05 [SPEAKER_01]: This, this is one of the worst American League starting line ups or just all start starting line ups, I think I've ever seen.
11:05 --> 11:15 [SPEAKER_01]: At some point, at some point down the road when we do more bullpen banner topics, which is our national brand now for anybody who hasn't seen it yet or heard of it, it's all social media content.
11:16 --> 11:21 [SPEAKER_01]: We've had a blast with it, it's about five, six months old and it's been really fun so far and we've seen it's a nice traction on it, which has been cool.
11:22 --> 11:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway,
11:23 --> 11:25 [SPEAKER_01]: That's going to be a trivia topic at some point.
11:25 --> 11:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Two years from now, trying to get somebody to remember that Ryan O'Hurn started in all star game.
11:30 --> 11:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Or that the two sides of the hobby bias trade with the Metz are starting in center field for each league and neither of them is a Met.
11:39 --> 11:40 [SPEAKER_00]: How's Frank feeling?
11:42 --> 11:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyone asked?
11:43 --> 11:44 [SPEAKER_00]: asked him.
11:44 --> 11:46 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't have a photo I sent you yesterday.
11:46 --> 11:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm walking around it is talking to that fan in New York.
11:50 --> 11:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that's what he brought up.
11:52 --> 12:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, somebody posted a photo of Frank just biting his heart as humanly possible on his glasses and talking to some random fan and screaming about the meds in the middle of New York City.
12:02 --> 12:05 [SPEAKER_01]: For as on-brand as that would be for him, I thought it was AI at first.
12:05 --> 12:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I actually thought it was AI and then the more I looked, I was like, oh, this is, this is real.
12:11 --> 12:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, did you see how much money he spent on glasses so far?
12:14 --> 12:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's either for the last year or so far in the year.
12:17 --> 12:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Regardless of staggering amount, did you see how much?
12:19 --> 12:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I think he's burned like a thousand dollars in glasses.
12:21 --> 12:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh no, I thought it was three thousand dollars.
12:24 --> 12:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Because he's broken so many pairs out of fury with the meds, that's unreal.
12:31 --> 12:40 [SPEAKER_01]: The last thing I was going to say on Logan Evans making a couple starts here before the break at the very least is I really hope he gets some run support.
12:40 --> 12:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I really hope he gets some run support in this game and the Mariners find a way to get to set Lugo here on Thursday.
12:45 --> 12:48 [SPEAKER_01]: You guys will know the result of this when the podcast is out and you're listening to this.
12:49 --> 12:53 [SPEAKER_01]: But the Mariners have to take advantage of this homestand man like
12:54 --> 12:56 [SPEAKER_01]: They're right now two and one on the homestand.
12:56 --> 12:59 [SPEAKER_01]: You've got to find a way to go minimum five and two.
12:59 --> 13:01 [SPEAKER_01]: We talked about six and one five and two.
13:01 --> 13:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry.
13:02 --> 13:03 [SPEAKER_01]: It has to be the minimum.
13:03 --> 13:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Despite facing Seth Lugo on Thursday and despite facing a pirate's team this weekend that's been hotter than the Sun all of a sudden.
13:09 --> 13:13 [SPEAKER_01]: You have to find a way to go five and two because these games are going to be too tough.
13:14 --> 13:20 [SPEAKER_01]: in the next few weeks to close to the trade deadline, when you need a period of time to build some ground.
13:20 --> 13:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And this is your shot.
13:21 --> 13:27 [SPEAKER_01]: If you go four and three in this homestand or God forbid worse than that, that is, that's going to be a problem.
13:29 --> 13:29 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'll have to see.
13:30 --> 13:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's get to our main topic.
13:33 --> 13:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
13:34 --> 13:37 [SPEAKER_00]: The main topic that has been stirred up on Mariners Twitter this week
13:38 --> 13:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Pretty hypothetical, but there are some cases to be made that this could be pitched out there as a realistic idea.
13:46 --> 13:48 [SPEAKER_00]: So let me give you the spark notes version of it.
13:49 --> 13:54 [SPEAKER_00]: There are people online suggesting the Mariners go trade for Ronald the Cuny Jr.
13:54 --> 13:55 [SPEAKER_00]: from the Atlanta Braves.
13:56 --> 13:59 [SPEAKER_00]: That statement alone sounds pretty insane.
14:00 --> 14:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Given the state of the two franchises and all the success the Braves have had this month.
14:04 --> 14:10 [SPEAKER_00]: But there's been a lot of ideas kicked around on the semantics of it and how realistic it is.
14:11 --> 14:20 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think this would be an opportunity to break down this subject and engage in a very fun, yet thoughtful hypothetical as we lead into this holiday weekend.
14:20 --> 14:23 [SPEAKER_00]: So, where would you like to start on this?
14:25 --> 14:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me start by hitting three quick points.
14:27 --> 14:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Number one,
14:29 --> 14:31 [SPEAKER_01]: It is fourth of July weekend, everybody.
14:31 --> 14:32 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a fun weekend.
14:32 --> 14:35 [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of people, it's our favorite weekend of the year and there's a very good case for it.
14:35 --> 14:39 [SPEAKER_01]: So we're trying to have some fun here on the pod as we hit fourth of July weekend.
14:39 --> 14:43 [SPEAKER_01]: We know there's a little bit more credible rumors out there about Alex pregnant.
14:44 --> 14:44 [SPEAKER_01]: We know they're there.
14:45 --> 14:46 [SPEAKER_01]: We are going to talk about it Monday.
14:46 --> 14:51 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you're looking here that, just hang with us for a couple extra days, we will talk about it then.
14:52 --> 14:54 [SPEAKER_01]: But we wanted to have some fun here on fourth of July weekend.
14:54 --> 14:55 [SPEAKER_01]: So that is number one.
14:56 --> 15:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Number two is, it's not just a Mariners Twitter thing.
15:01 --> 15:09 [SPEAKER_01]: It was talked about on MLB network by Joel Sherman, who threw the idea out there of, do the braves need to listen in on a Ronald Acunutrade, would the Mariners specifically,
15:10 --> 15:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Which he named.
15:11 --> 15:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, be a fit for this, which is what I'm getting at.
15:14 --> 15:17 [SPEAKER_01]: He said, the Mariners should be picking up the phone and trying to make this happen.
15:18 --> 15:20 [SPEAKER_01]: So it was talked about on MLB network.
15:20 --> 15:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, does Joel Sherman have sources behind this?
15:23 --> 15:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to assume no, but it is a fascinating idea.
15:26 --> 15:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And number three, most importantly of all.
15:30 --> 15:34 [SPEAKER_01]: We know how I feel about the idea of Kyle Tucker playing right field for the Mariners.
15:34 --> 15:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Come next year.
15:36 --> 15:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And that is still far in a way my number one guy.
15:38 --> 15:42 [SPEAKER_01]: That's my guy and he's still going to be playing right field for the Mariners next year.
15:42 --> 15:47 [SPEAKER_01]: But again, let's say hypothetically somehow Thanos alters the universe and he isn't.
15:48 --> 15:53 [SPEAKER_01]: My number two guy, if that were to happen, and Thanos snaps his fingers, would be rather than a junior.
15:54 --> 15:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And you know what?
15:55 --> 15:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd live with it.
15:56 --> 16:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I would just simply live with it, as I sit here with a smile on my face with everybody watching on YouTube.
16:03 --> 16:04 [SPEAKER_01]: So, it's Kyle Tucker's still my number one.
16:04 --> 16:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, could I settle for Ronald Alicunian?
16:07 --> 16:07 [SPEAKER_01]: It's funny.
16:07 --> 16:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm laughing, thinking about settled.
16:09 --> 16:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Also, yes.
16:10 --> 16:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And there I conclude my opening three statements.
16:12 --> 16:20 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a hypothetical trade package from Argy Jage, front of the podcast, who he literally named it, social experiment.
16:21 --> 16:22 [SPEAKER_00]: And it was very much a social experiment.
16:22 --> 16:23 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll get to that in a little bit.
16:24 --> 16:28 [SPEAKER_00]: But let's talk the background before we actually talk about this trade he suggested.
16:28 --> 16:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Why would this be realistic between the braves and the Mariners?
16:32 --> 16:36 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're saying, OK, this idea guy sounds absolutely fucking crazy.
16:37 --> 16:38 [SPEAKER_00]: How would this ever happen?
16:38 --> 16:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Why are you even talking about this?
16:40 --> 16:41 [SPEAKER_00]: This is a waste of time.
16:42 --> 16:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's try and work through why this would actually work on both sides.
16:46 --> 16:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, hang with me here for a second.
16:48 --> 16:57 [SPEAKER_00]: We can start off with the super obvious one right now, Lyle, that the braves are eleven games back in the east, right now, and there's six and a half games out of the wild card spot.
16:57 --> 17:00 [SPEAKER_00]: They're not really good at anything right now this season.
17:01 --> 17:03 [SPEAKER_00]: There are a lot of things that have not gone well for them.
17:04 --> 17:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Also, the Braves have the twenty-sixth rated farm system in Major League Baseball.
17:09 --> 17:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Guys, they have spent real money on, Austin Riley, Ozzy Albies, and Michael Harris, have all taken big steps back offensively in the last couple of years.
17:18 --> 17:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Chris Sale, their best starter, will be thirty-seven years old next year.
17:23 --> 17:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And the braids like sustainability, like the mariners.
17:26 --> 17:27 [SPEAKER_00]: They're current products.
17:27 --> 17:30 [SPEAKER_00]: The way everyone's playing is not very sustainable.
17:31 --> 17:37 [SPEAKER_00]: And there's only kind of one way to really reset that, majorly with the given the pieces they have on their roster.
17:37 --> 17:38 [SPEAKER_00]: That's the first start.
17:38 --> 17:39 [SPEAKER_00]: What do you want to add to that?
17:40 --> 17:46 [SPEAKER_01]: might have to make trade, doesn't sound like a great situation, doesn't sound like the braves are set up for the future.
17:46 --> 17:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Now I will say too.
17:49 --> 17:50 [SPEAKER_01]: You want to talk about standings.
17:51 --> 17:52 [SPEAKER_01]: You said the braves really haven't been very good.
17:53 --> 17:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Here's some perspective.
17:54 --> 17:56 [SPEAKER_01]: The marlins have just passed them up.
17:57 --> 18:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Now the marlins, similar to the pirates, have actually been pretty hot as of late.
18:01 --> 18:06 [SPEAKER_01]: The marlins have ripped off six or seven in a row at this point, or at least they had as of a couple of days ago.
18:07 --> 18:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And they're playing a really good baseball right now.
18:09 --> 18:12 [SPEAKER_01]: That young core, like we saw back in April, is kind of clicking.
18:12 --> 18:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, your repress just had a awesome star.
18:14 --> 18:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And Auguste Ramirez is hitting bombs.
18:16 --> 18:19 [SPEAKER_01]: And as a result, they'd pass the braves, the marlins.
18:19 --> 18:21 [SPEAKER_01]: The braves are in a bad spot.
18:22 --> 18:24 [SPEAKER_01]: So yes, to everything you just said,
18:25 --> 18:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I think there's real merit to what you're kind of bringing up here about are the brave's going to be forced to reset at some point.
18:32 --> 18:34 [SPEAKER_01]: It may not involve trading Ronald Alcunia.
18:34 --> 18:37 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll see, but they are going to have to reset some extent because you know what?
18:38 --> 18:40 [SPEAKER_01]: The roster they have put together right now isn't good enough.
18:42 --> 18:57 [SPEAKER_00]: And their farm system specifically is a reason why they should, if they're going to reset and take a massive swing of resetting, why getting a massive hall back for somebody like Ronald the Cunjooner, why that would make sense.
18:58 --> 19:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Not only are the Braves, not only is the Braves' farm system rated twenty-sixth in baseball right now.
19:03 --> 19:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Eleven of their top twelve prospects, shout it to you for looking us up.
19:07 --> 19:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Ten of their top twelve prospects in their farm system are pitchers.
19:12 --> 19:16 [SPEAKER_00]: And their one hitter on their top twelve is eighteen years old in rookie ball.
19:16 --> 19:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
19:17 --> 19:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Eleven of their twelve?
19:18 --> 19:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
19:19 --> 19:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, eleven of their twelve, sorry.
19:21 --> 19:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Eleven of their twelve top prospects are pictures.
19:25 --> 19:26 [SPEAKER_01]: They're one hitter.
19:26 --> 19:39 [SPEAKER_01]: A guy by the name of Jose Perdomo is eighteen years old has not made it out of rookie ball yet and his projection to the big leagues on MLB pipeline says twenty twenty nine in English terms
19:40 --> 19:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Offensive reinforcements are not coming for the Atlanta Braves.
19:44 --> 19:49 [SPEAKER_01]: And right now, Ronald the Kunia on his own is not making them a playoff team for his unbelievable as he's been.
19:50 --> 19:51 [SPEAKER_01]: So the Braves are in a tough spot.
19:53 --> 19:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, Matt Olsen's the only other guy really hitting.
19:55 --> 19:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Austin Riley, not hitting.
19:57 --> 20:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Michael Harris and Aussie Alpeys have been brutal.
20:01 --> 20:03 [SPEAKER_01]: You want to talk about Marcelo Zune?
20:03 --> 20:05 [SPEAKER_01]: He's even having a down year from where he usually is.
20:05 --> 20:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's going to be a free agent.
20:08 --> 20:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
20:09 --> 20:12 [SPEAKER_01]: The braves are really not set up very well all of a sudden.
20:12 --> 20:13 [SPEAKER_01]: You look at that roster.
20:13 --> 20:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Allbies and Ozone are going to be free agents.
20:16 --> 20:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Allbies also isn't playing very well.
20:18 --> 20:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Michael Harris feels like he's almost lost it so to speak.
20:22 --> 20:25 [SPEAKER_01]: He looks like a totally different guy than his rookie year and not in a good way.
20:27 --> 20:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And you talked about this before we hit record their shortstop spots to disaster.
20:30 --> 20:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.
20:31 --> 20:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, so Nick Allen, I believe, is their shortstop right now.
20:34 --> 20:35 [SPEAKER_00]: He's really good defender.
20:35 --> 20:36 [SPEAKER_00]: He can't hit to save his life.
20:36 --> 20:38 [SPEAKER_00]: They started the season with Orlando, R.C.
20:39 --> 20:39 [SPEAKER_00]: as their shortstop.
20:40 --> 20:42 [SPEAKER_00]: The guy that won the world series with, but they de-fade him.
20:44 --> 20:46 [SPEAKER_00]: So, that's all in flux.
20:47 --> 20:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Here's what this comes down to, right?
20:49 --> 20:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Is the likelihood of Ronald Econia getting traded?
20:52 --> 20:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Hi.
20:54 --> 20:56 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I would probably put the odds
20:57 --> 20:59 [SPEAKER_01]: very low, ten percent or less.
21:00 --> 21:00 [SPEAKER_01]: But you know what?
21:01 --> 21:03 [SPEAKER_01]: What were the odds of Raphael Devers getting moved?
21:03 --> 21:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Probably about that.
21:05 --> 21:05 [SPEAKER_01]: And then he got moved.
21:06 --> 21:15 [SPEAKER_01]: You just never know in the Game of Baseball, especially when you pick up the phone and you call a team and force them to pick that phone up.
21:16 --> 21:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying this is going to be easy.
21:17 --> 21:19 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners will not fleece.
21:20 --> 21:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Anybody for a trade for this type of player and you will especially not do it to Alexander the Braves who is good of a front office is almost anybody in baseball for Ronald and junior.
21:30 --> 21:39 [SPEAKER_01]: But if you if you call and you make them pick up the phone, they will listen.
21:39 --> 21:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Any team will listen if you make it worth their while.
21:42 --> 21:46 [SPEAKER_00]: There, it's not like an idea like this would come without risks.
21:47 --> 21:50 [SPEAKER_00]: These are games Ronald Econius played in less five seasons.
21:51 --> 21:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Eighty two, one, nineteen, one, fifty nine when he won the MVP, forty nine and thirty six as of this year.
21:59 --> 22:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Not on the field a lot has had major knee problems.
22:02 --> 22:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I believe with both knees.
22:04 --> 22:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Has he torn both his ACLs, I think?
22:06 --> 22:07 [SPEAKER_00]: He's torn at least one.
22:08 --> 22:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I believe so.
22:09 --> 22:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, he's happy to tour in Asia.
22:10 --> 22:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I believe it's been in both knees.
22:12 --> 22:17 [SPEAKER_01]: So he has had multiple ACL surgeries, but also doesn't that feel a little flookie.
22:17 --> 22:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Tornacy else kind of just happened.
22:21 --> 22:21 [SPEAKER_00]: They do.
22:21 --> 22:27 [SPEAKER_00]: But some people have more sensitive muscle structure than others.
22:28 --> 22:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that a good majority of baseball players don't tear their ACL ever in their entire lives.
22:35 --> 22:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me ask you this.
22:37 --> 22:41 [SPEAKER_01]: This round of the Koenia look like he's currently playing off of two torn ACLs.
22:42 --> 22:43 [SPEAKER_01]: My answer to this would be no.
22:43 --> 22:46 [SPEAKER_01]: He's looking like the guy that's a top five player in baseball.
22:47 --> 22:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
22:48 --> 22:49 [SPEAKER_00]: What were stats last year?
22:51 --> 22:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Last year, they were just, they weren't great before he got hurt, but it was only average.
22:56 --> 22:58 [SPEAKER_01]: But it was, but it was, but it was fifty games.
22:58 --> 23:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he was playing with a torn ACL.
23:00 --> 23:02 [SPEAKER_01]: He went down and got, got hurt.
23:02 --> 23:04 [SPEAKER_00]: And he played less than fifty games this year.
23:06 --> 23:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying, I don't think the reason he was playing badly last year was because of a knee injury.
23:12 --> 23:13 [SPEAKER_01]: He re-injured that knee.
23:16 --> 23:18 [SPEAKER_00]: But that also kind of leads into this discussion, right?
23:18 --> 23:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Where it's like, okay, at age twenty six, even though he was coming off an MVP, Ronald Acunio was a league average player last year, and the package I'm going to throw out to you, if he's a league average player would get somebody fired.
23:31 --> 23:33 [SPEAKER_00]: What?
23:34 --> 23:37 [SPEAKER_01]: but also he just won the MVP the year before.
23:37 --> 23:44 [SPEAKER_01]: And if I had to guess, Ron Licunia was not going to finish twenty twenty four with a one hundred WRC plus had he been healthy all year.
23:44 --> 23:48 [SPEAKER_01]: He would have picked it up and he would have gotten hot and he probably still would have made it all star game.
23:48 --> 23:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I bet you he would have been fine.
23:49 --> 23:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Even a one twenty with the defense he places defense, by the way, not very highly graded.
23:54 --> 23:57 [SPEAKER_00]: It can sometimes be an adventure with Ronald out and right field.
23:58 --> 24:13 [SPEAKER_00]: but he's got a cannon for an arm so that that right there is a plus he is not going to come here he would not come here and win because of his defense it would need to be because of his bat and you're not doing a trade with the braves because of his bat why should the mariners do this trade lie
24:16 --> 24:17 [SPEAKER_00]: because they should.
24:17 --> 24:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't feel like I have to say anything else.
24:32 --> 24:37 [SPEAKER_01]: And he is absolutely mashing in the time that he's been back on the field off the ACL injury.
24:38 --> 24:42 [SPEAKER_01]: If you need a refresher on that MVP here, he hoped he has ten twelve.
24:42 --> 24:44 [SPEAKER_01]: His OPS plus was one seventy one.
24:44 --> 24:50 [SPEAKER_01]: So he was seventy one percent better than league average and he had a thirty seventy year that year.
24:51 --> 24:53 [SPEAKER_01]: He hit forty seventy.
24:53 --> 24:56 [SPEAKER_01]: He hit forty one bombs and swipes seventy bags.
24:56 --> 24:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Would it be a sitting coach?
24:59 --> 25:00 [SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
25:01 --> 25:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Listen, Kevin Sightser, by the way.
25:05 --> 25:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Did the Mariners hire Kevin Sightser?
25:07 --> 25:33 [SPEAKER_00]: as a chess piece to then later a choir roll of cunia next on undisputed people are saying loyal people are saying dude here's two things that actually make this make sense though it's a cunia salary and I mean you could even of course he's gonna fit on the roster because his name's Ronald the cunia junior but the mariners have the third worst right field or hitting position at baseball third worst op s and baseball and right field
25:33 --> 25:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Like that's in terms of if you're going to call on quote, look at the numbers.
25:38 --> 25:39 [SPEAKER_00]: That that is a number right there.
25:39 --> 25:43 [SPEAKER_00]: But Akunya is making seventeen million dollars a year from next three and a half seasons.
25:43 --> 25:45 [SPEAKER_00]: He's got two club options.
25:45 --> 25:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me speak that out in English terms for anybody.
25:48 --> 25:51 [SPEAKER_01]: That would essentially be replacing Mitch Hanager's contract.
25:51 --> 25:59 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you were to act as if Mitch Hanager had a three and a half year club control stretch on what his contract is right now.
26:00 --> 26:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess it would be two and a half because he's under contract this year, or be three.
26:04 --> 26:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, three.
26:05 --> 26:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Like act as if Hannah goes, again, act as if Hannah girl has three and a half years left on his contract.
26:11 --> 26:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Take that away and replace it with Ronald Acunia.
26:14 --> 26:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Is that okay with everybody?
26:15 --> 26:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I would hope that it seems as soon as yeah.
26:17 --> 26:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, so slow.
26:19 --> 26:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Mitch Hannah girl is making fifteen and a half million dollars this year.
26:22 --> 26:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Ronald Acunia's going to make seventeen million for each of the next.
26:25 --> 26:26 [SPEAKER_01]: three and a half years.
26:26 --> 26:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Or in the next three full seasons, he will make seventeen million dollars.
26:30 --> 26:41 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you're the Mariners and need a reason to back this up, you say, oh, we have to keep paying a right fielder around that same salary, except it's Ronald fucking Akunia.
26:42 --> 26:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Not only should you be saying yes to that in a heartbeat, if it's just the player in his contract alone, but then you can also still go out and
26:52 --> 26:58 [SPEAKER_01]: make a big move elsewhere if you want on your infield because that's not really adding to what the current payroll is very much.
26:58 --> 27:01 [SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty stagnant and the player you're getting is an MVP.
27:03 --> 27:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's get to this trade package.
27:04 --> 27:05 [SPEAKER_00]: This has people.
27:06 --> 27:07 [SPEAKER_00]: This is people worked out.
27:07 --> 27:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, so this is where people got some cold feet to put it lightly, but I guess I'll say take a breath if you haven't heard the package yet.
27:20 --> 27:23 [SPEAKER_00]: This package comes, this is the package that Jage put out on Twitter.
27:23 --> 27:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I recommend it at the Jage page on Twitter if you want to go see it.
27:26 --> 27:28 [SPEAKER_00]: It's got a lot of interaction to it.
27:28 --> 27:30 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll read the results here in a second.
27:30 --> 27:34 [SPEAKER_00]: But here's, here's the mock package for the Mariners to go out and acquire Ronald Decunia Jr.
27:36 --> 27:46 [SPEAKER_00]: The Braves would receive George Kirby, Matt Brash, Lazaro Montez, Colt Emerson, and Johnny Farmello, and the Mariners would get back Ronald Akunia Jr.
27:46 --> 27:51 [SPEAKER_00]: The results of this poll that Jade's put out, would you do this trade?
27:52 --> 27:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Forty two percent only said yes.
27:55 --> 27:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Fifty eight percent said no, they would not do that trade.
28:00 --> 28:03 [SPEAKER_00]: And I am Ford at that result.
28:03 --> 28:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't believe it.
28:05 --> 28:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't believe it.
28:07 --> 28:15 [SPEAKER_00]: An opportunity to get at his peak, one of the five best players in baseball, and people are saying no.
28:17 --> 28:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Guys, we love you all.
28:21 --> 28:22 [SPEAKER_01]: You guys are awesome.
28:23 --> 28:32 [SPEAKER_01]: We appreciate every single one of you guys and every single person we've interacted with, met in person, talked to online, like over DMs on Instagram, Twitter, et cetera.
28:32 --> 28:33 [SPEAKER_01]: You guys are all awesome.
28:34 --> 28:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to preface this with that.
28:36 --> 28:41 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're voting no on this, what the fuck are we doing here?
28:41 --> 28:47 [SPEAKER_01]: And this comes with all due respect to every prospect that's in that train and we like all those guys.
28:47 --> 28:48 [SPEAKER_01]: TJ says it all the time.
28:48 --> 28:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Those guys are awesome and we were rooting for them to be stars and we are rooting for them to have every ounce of success they can possibly have.
28:55 --> 29:03 [SPEAKER_01]: But if you were talking about this from a baseball perspective, like at some point, you have to push the trade chips into trying win.
29:04 --> 29:05 [SPEAKER_01]: You have to try and go win.
29:06 --> 29:07 [SPEAKER_01]: When is that point?
29:08 --> 29:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And for Ronald Akunia Junior, that should be everybody's tipping point.
29:13 --> 29:16 [SPEAKER_00]: You know the issue with this in terms of in terms of the voting here.
29:16 --> 29:19 [SPEAKER_00]: We we a break this trade down in so many ways.
29:19 --> 29:20 [SPEAKER_00]: And we list so let's go at it.
29:20 --> 29:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Peace by peace here.
29:22 --> 29:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's start with the number one reason I'm seeing why people would turn this trade down.
29:27 --> 29:30 [SPEAKER_00]: It's shockingly not because of the best player in the trade.
29:31 --> 29:35 [SPEAKER_00]: People are not turning it down because you're trading away George Kirby to get Ronald a Kunya.
29:36 --> 29:44 [SPEAKER_00]: It seems like people are getting cold feet on this trade and this idea to go out and get Ronald a Kunya Junior is because they're trading prospects.
29:45 --> 29:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Not the big leagueers, not a top-fifteen bullpen arm and a top-thirty starting pitcher in Major League Baseball, potentially higher.
29:55 --> 29:57 [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's the prospects that people have a problem with.
29:58 --> 30:07 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's where the problem is starting to perk up with me, because like you just said, at some point,
30:08 --> 30:13 [SPEAKER_00]: you have to like, you have to make a bad deal to try and get your roster to win in the next handful of years.
30:13 --> 30:14 [SPEAKER_00]: You said it.
30:15 --> 30:20 [SPEAKER_00]: You get four chances to try and go win a world series with Ronald Acunia in this scenario right here.
30:20 --> 30:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Four chances to go win a world series.
30:24 --> 30:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Are any of those guys going to be as good as Ronald Acunia Jr?
30:27 --> 30:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Those bats, by the way, not the pictures, the bats or any of those bats going to be as good as Ronald Acunia Jr is the next four seasons at the big league level.
30:37 --> 30:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go on a limb here and say no.
30:40 --> 30:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Can I?
30:41 --> 30:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so how is that?
30:43 --> 30:49 [SPEAKER_00]: And so how is keeping those guys in your system helping you win a world series get you closer now?
30:50 --> 30:58 [SPEAKER_01]: So again, if more of the pushback was about not wanting to trade George Kirby, I would be much more open minded to that.
30:58 --> 31:01 [SPEAKER_01]: When I said a minute ago, what the fuck are we doing here?
31:01 --> 31:03 [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't have anything to do with George Kirby.
31:03 --> 31:07 [SPEAKER_01]: If you were of the mindset of, I love this rotation staying together for as long as possible.
31:08 --> 31:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I would not make that move to trade from the rotation.
31:11 --> 31:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Look, I would still personally disagree because Ronald Alakuni has such a game changer, but I much, much more, understand where people are coming from, because that's been the backbone of this team.
31:24 --> 31:31 [SPEAKER_01]: When you were talking about guys in A-ball that you don't want to give up for Ronald Alakuni, this is, this is where you're losing me.
31:31 --> 31:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And again, I think Cold Emerson really does have a chance to be a star.
31:37 --> 31:43 [SPEAKER_01]: it's going to take some time and the way they have gone about
31:44 --> 31:50 [SPEAKER_01]: their blueprint over these years hasn't gotten you where you want to get to at all.
31:51 --> 31:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Like does this next group of batch change that?
31:53 --> 31:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I can't for sure say no, but so far this process objectively has not worked.
31:59 --> 32:02 [SPEAKER_01]: In ten years you made the playoffs once and you got swept out of the quarter finals.
32:02 --> 32:03 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
32:03 --> 32:06 [SPEAKER_01]: That's just the term I use for ALDS because gives people more of a picture to paint.
32:07 --> 32:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Ten years one playoff appearance.
32:12 --> 32:13 [SPEAKER_01]: swept out of the ALDS.
32:13 --> 32:19 [SPEAKER_01]: So again, every team makes the big move at some point to really go all in.
32:19 --> 32:20 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners have it.
32:20 --> 32:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I understand they traded for Louise.
32:22 --> 32:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I understand they traded for Randy.
32:23 --> 32:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Guess what?
32:24 --> 32:25 [SPEAKER_01]: That hasn't been enough.
32:26 --> 32:29 [SPEAKER_00]: in a different way of thinking about this for me personally.
32:29 --> 32:42 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're like, I think the value of George Kirby and the rotation in Matt Brash in the bullpen is higher to this team in twenty twenty five than the value of Ronald Acunia as a bat in this line up in twenty twenty five.
32:43 --> 32:50 [SPEAKER_00]: If that was your argument and say our chances of winning a world series this season go down by making this trade fair.
32:51 --> 32:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Very fair, you're talking about what we care about, what we care about is winning the world series with the roster as it's constructed with Ronald Econo Jr.
32:58 --> 32:59 [SPEAKER_00]: on it.
32:59 --> 33:00 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what you think.
33:00 --> 33:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Fine, pitching is going to take you there.
33:02 --> 33:03 [SPEAKER_00]: So focus on the pitching.
33:03 --> 33:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, great.
33:05 --> 33:06 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, the prospects part of it.
33:07 --> 33:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
33:08 --> 33:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I also think.
33:12 --> 33:14 [SPEAKER_01]: You could probably take brash out of this trade.
33:14 --> 33:17 [SPEAKER_01]: And I do wonder if that skews anybody's opinions differently.
33:17 --> 33:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Because if the braves are going to reset, I know brash has all this club control.
33:21 --> 33:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't really know what trading for a bullpen arm does for them in the next couple of years.
33:25 --> 33:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I honestly think you could take brash out.
33:27 --> 33:33 [SPEAKER_01]: If you made it Kirby and all those prospects, I would personally think that still gets it done.
33:35 --> 33:40 [SPEAKER_00]: So here's another thing I think about that I saw JJ talking about with this trade that I think makes a lot of sense.
33:41 --> 33:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like most people at this point are not expecting George Kirby to sign an extension, right?
33:47 --> 33:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Seems to be the vibe, yeah.
33:49 --> 33:55 [SPEAKER_00]: If that's the case, George Kirby's going to get traded no matter what, because they're not letting him walk in free agency.
33:55 --> 34:00 [SPEAKER_00]: They have shown if they're not going to keep extending somebody, they're going to trade him and try and get all the value back for him.
34:01 --> 34:09 [SPEAKER_00]: If George Kirby's already going to get traded at some point in the future, would you not want, would you not want to get Ronald to kune you back?
34:10 --> 34:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, is it going to get better than this?
34:12 --> 34:12 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
34:12 --> 34:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, George Kirby for Ronald Alcunio.
34:15 --> 34:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Guess what?
34:16 --> 34:18 [SPEAKER_01]: In a few years, if you trade Kirby, it's going to be for prospects.
34:18 --> 34:20 [SPEAKER_01]: It is not going to be for an MVP.
34:21 --> 34:25 [SPEAKER_00]: And I would take the MVP because I don't really want prospects back for George Kirby.
34:26 --> 34:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry.
34:27 --> 34:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I hate trading big liggers for prospects, especially if you're trying to win in the future.
34:32 --> 34:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Right?
34:33 --> 34:36 [SPEAKER_00]: So I feel like that part makes a ton of sense.
34:36 --> 34:40 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm glad Jade brought that point up from the whole thing.
34:41 --> 34:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Another way, another thing if I want to tie this back to the Juan Soto trade.
34:45 --> 34:54 [SPEAKER_00]: With the first Juan Soto trade, where the Nat sent Soto to the Padres and the Padres sent the Hall of a Century back to the Nationals.
34:56 --> 34:59 [SPEAKER_00]: You could argue that trade was a win-win from both sides.
34:59 --> 35:01 [SPEAKER_00]: The Padres made the NLCS that year.
35:01 --> 35:04 [SPEAKER_00]: A few things go differently.
35:04 --> 35:06 [SPEAKER_00]: They could have made the world series that team was very good.
35:07 --> 35:08 [SPEAKER_00]: They beat the Dodgers that year.
35:10 --> 35:12 [SPEAKER_00]: and the podries, you know, they drew a bunch of fans, et cetera, et cetera.
35:13 --> 35:14 [SPEAKER_00]: So they got, they got everything they wanted out of it.
35:15 --> 35:20 [SPEAKER_00]: The nationals right now have had a home run with the prospect package they got back.
35:20 --> 35:24 [SPEAKER_00]: James Woods in the home run Derby's and the all-star game, CJ Abrams is a sub.
35:25 --> 35:30 [SPEAKER_00]: McKenzie Gore is one of the top strikeout pitchers in all of baseball, Robert Hassel's a big leagueer.
35:30 --> 35:36 [SPEAKER_00]: The only one that didn't work out was like that fifth guy, but it doesn't matter with the fifth guy because you got four guys that are big leagueers right now.
35:36 --> 35:42 [SPEAKER_01]: The fifth guy still has upside, Jarlin Susanna, Harlan Susanna, however it said, that guy throws like a hundred and one.
35:42 --> 35:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Now his command's not very good, but I think the Nat still think he could be something at some point.
35:48 --> 35:54 [SPEAKER_00]: But the point is, I think the Nationals did as good as possible at that return package, right?
35:54 --> 35:57 [SPEAKER_00]: So you'd say, yeah, we got a good value back for it.
35:58 --> 35:59 [SPEAKER_00]: So say yes or no?
35:59 --> 36:01 [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of people would say the Nationals won that trade, yes.
36:02 --> 36:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Correct.
36:03 --> 36:04 [SPEAKER_00]: The Nationals still suck.
36:07 --> 36:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
36:08 --> 36:12 [SPEAKER_00]: All those prospects doesn't equate to winning.
36:12 --> 36:13 [SPEAKER_00]: And guess what?
36:13 --> 36:18 [SPEAKER_00]: The podress had to trade one soda right back around and they're doing just fine.
36:20 --> 36:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I think both things are true.
36:22 --> 36:23 [SPEAKER_01]: The nationals did win that trade.
36:25 --> 36:26 [SPEAKER_01]: and they are still in a worse off spot.
36:27 --> 36:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, listen, if the Mariners were to make that trade for Ronald Icunia, evaluators would almost certainly grade that trade as a win for the Braves and overpay by the Mariners and just by value terms would favor Atlanta side.
36:44 --> 36:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Guess what?
36:44 --> 36:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I would still do it if I'm the Mariners.
36:46 --> 36:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Because again, when do you truly show everybody that you are as serious as can possibly be about winning?
36:53 --> 36:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Right now, it seems like they are just perfectly content shooting for wildcards all the time.
36:59 --> 37:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Because that's the way the roster is constructed.
37:01 --> 37:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Shoot for wildcards, hope something good happens.
37:03 --> 37:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that hasn't worked.
37:05 --> 37:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Like right now, they're in the third wildcards spot.
37:07 --> 37:10 [SPEAKER_01]: And we've sat here plenty talking about the flaws of this roster.
37:11 --> 37:12 [SPEAKER_01]: You go get Ronald Akunia.
37:12 --> 37:13 [SPEAKER_01]: You pair him up with Cal.
37:13 --> 37:14 [SPEAKER_01]: You pair him up with Julio.
37:15 --> 37:17 [SPEAKER_01]: You pair him up with what you still have in the rotation.
37:18 --> 37:20 [SPEAKER_01]: different, different ballgame, man.
37:21 --> 37:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Last thing for me on this, if you're worried about replacing George Kirby in the rotation, you might not find someone quite as good, but it's not as hard to get pictures to come to Seattle as it is hitters.
37:32 --> 37:36 [SPEAKER_00]: You can trade for a hitter and you can sign a picture in free agency to occupy that rotation spot.
37:36 --> 37:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Or one of the guys in your farm system comes up and takes it a year, two years from now.
37:42 --> 37:54 [SPEAKER_00]: And you, you, you, you, you fill with either our guy Logan or Emerson or you sign someone to hold that spot over until the higher upside guys are there, whichever, whichever way you want to go, like you are able to fill.
37:55 --> 38:00 [SPEAKER_00]: You've shown you've been able to fill your rotation with arms in a variety of places.
38:00 --> 38:01 [SPEAKER_00]: So you got to trust your ability to do that.
38:02 --> 38:03 [SPEAKER_01]: or this is my final thing.
38:04 --> 38:07 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners are about to pick third in a few days here, a little over a week.
38:07 --> 38:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's say Kate Anderson falls to three.
38:10 --> 38:16 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a World Kate Anderson's up in the big leagues by the time we're recording this podcast at this point next year on Fourth of July weekend.
38:17 --> 38:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Now we have pretty quick turnaround for how you'd replace George Kirby.
38:20 --> 38:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Hypothetically.
38:22 --> 38:23 [SPEAKER_01]: They're their ways to make a work.
38:24 --> 38:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Last last thing, so the Mariners trading these prospects hurts, you have you trade three top one hundred prospects out of that group.
38:31 --> 38:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you want to guess how many top one hundred prospects would remain in the Mariners system after that trade?
38:37 --> 38:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that would be six of them, wouldn't it?
38:39 --> 38:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Hmm, and then you'll add probably two more in the drafts in two weeks.
38:45 --> 38:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I do this.
38:46 --> 38:48 [SPEAKER_00]: So then your total will be back up to eight.
38:49 --> 38:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
38:49 --> 38:52 [SPEAKER_00]: See, like, you have so many prospects.
38:52 --> 38:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
38:53 --> 38:53 [SPEAKER_00]: So many.
38:54 --> 38:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I mentioned the picking it three thing.
38:56 --> 39:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't even mention Gerangelo and Ryan Sloan who would factor into the potential replacements one day too.
39:02 --> 39:04 [SPEAKER_01]: And again, Logan Evans is already there.
39:04 --> 39:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Other guys are already there.
39:05 --> 39:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Like there's going to be options.
39:06 --> 39:07 [SPEAKER_00]: And you're picking it thirty five as well.
39:09 --> 39:10 [SPEAKER_00]: There's options.
39:10 --> 39:12 [SPEAKER_00]: There are a lot of options.
39:12 --> 39:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I think where we settle, as we wrap this up, TJ and I are addressing that, yes, this is an overpay, and we would still do it.
39:19 --> 39:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep, without a hesitation.
39:21 --> 39:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
39:23 --> 39:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Love all those guys, but we'd still do it.
39:26 --> 39:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's get to the mailbag, but first.
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40:48 --> 40:56 [SPEAKER_00]: First question, Lyle comes from FC styles and the question is, my preference as we go, we go out and get two leverage bullpin arms in one bat.
40:56 --> 41:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Either Gino and Nailer, either Gino or Nailer is the one bat.
41:00 --> 41:05 [SPEAKER_00]: How many of our nine top one hundred prospects would you have to give up to get that?
41:05 --> 41:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Assuming Pete Fairbanks is one of the strongest candidates.
41:11 --> 41:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so if you're going to get really serious about acquiring two bullpen arms, let's say it's two real leverage guys.
41:16 --> 41:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's say it's Pete Bearbanks and let's say it's David Bednar who we both talked about.
41:21 --> 41:23 [SPEAKER_01]: And then you go get Josh Nailer to play first.
41:24 --> 41:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly.
41:26 --> 41:27 [SPEAKER_01]: One, two.
41:27 --> 41:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I would say one.
41:29 --> 41:30 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not going to be a lot, you guys.
41:31 --> 41:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Bolpen arms are not going to warrant insane prospect halls in return, especially because Fairbanks and Bednar only have a year and a half a control.
41:39 --> 41:43 [SPEAKER_01]: That's not nothing, but again, it's a reliever with one and a half years of control.
41:43 --> 41:45 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not some star bat with multiple years of control.
41:46 --> 41:49 [SPEAKER_01]: So all that paired with half a year of either Josh Naylor or Gino,
41:50 --> 41:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't think you're giving up the farm man.
41:53 --> 41:59 [SPEAKER_01]: So that is not an unrealistic or unreasonable expectation for a deadline and it's something they can absolutely do.
42:00 --> 42:02 [SPEAKER_01]: So I would say one to two, it is not going to be a ton.
42:03 --> 42:10 [SPEAKER_00]: It might cost you one prospect from eleven to twenty in your system per player in this.
42:11 --> 42:15 [SPEAKER_00]: because Naylor's a rent of Naylor had like a year and a half, perhaps that would cost a top one hundred guy.
42:16 --> 42:20 [SPEAKER_00]: But he's only got you only having for two months, and you'd have to take on some salary to acquire him.
42:21 --> 42:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And then the relievers, thankfully with the reliever market at the deadline, it's pretty saturated.
42:27 --> 42:32 [SPEAKER_00]: There are a number of bullpen arms available, not publicly available, but probably available.
42:33 --> 42:33 [SPEAKER_00]: at the deadline.
42:34 --> 42:38 [SPEAKER_00]: So teams have a little bit more freedom when they can go out and they can sign guys at the deadline.
42:38 --> 42:45 [SPEAKER_00]: For example, you and I had no idea Ryan Stannick was available at the deadline last year, but the Mariners just traded him like that.
42:45 --> 42:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I really like what?
42:46 --> 42:47 [SPEAKER_00]: No idea.
42:48 --> 42:50 [SPEAKER_00]: So that leaves the options open for you.
42:50 --> 42:53 [SPEAKER_00]: So it really wouldn't hurt that much to go out there and do that.
42:53 --> 43:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Problem is every other team in baseball knows that some of those players would be available and also wouldn't have to break the bank to go get them.
43:00 --> 43:03 [SPEAKER_00]: So the timing would have to work out for the Mariners to go acquire them.
43:04 --> 43:05 [SPEAKER_00]: No doubt.
43:06 --> 43:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think they should because they need both in arms.
43:08 --> 43:10 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think they should go make those moves.
43:11 --> 43:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, you can afford to give up one top a hundred guy.
43:13 --> 43:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, a hundred percent.
43:15 --> 43:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Next question on the mailbag comes from Zander and Zander says love the bullpen banner content guys Zander thank you appreciate the support if you want to go check out our bullpen banner account it's a lot of really fun stuff with players fans between the two of us lot of trivia very catered very fun some creative ideas at bullpen banner baseball all over social media uh... so zander asks who have been some of the favorite players that you have interviewed as part of this new content
43:44 --> 43:45 [SPEAKER_01]: There's been some awesome dudes.
43:47 --> 43:56 [SPEAKER_01]: This has been one of the cool things about it is not just getting to know the Mariners guys, but getting to learn who some of the really cool personalities are around the rest of the game too.
43:57 --> 44:00 [SPEAKER_01]: From up close, obviously you can see it from afar when you watch on TV or social media.
44:03 --> 44:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I have an answer, but do you want to go first?
44:04 --> 44:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm curious if we're going to think the same thing.
44:06 --> 44:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I wrote a list down of a few.
44:09 --> 44:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
44:10 --> 44:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's see how much overlap you have with what I wrote down.
44:12 --> 44:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I started off with Pablo Lopez, one of the nicest people we have interacted with.
44:18 --> 44:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Man, very genuine, very smart.
44:21 --> 44:24 [SPEAKER_00]: He's super smart, fun to learn about Pablo.
44:25 --> 44:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Mac sure's where I have on here.
44:27 --> 44:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Different kind of personality.
44:30 --> 44:32 [SPEAKER_00]: But he was very nice and very open with us, which is great.
44:32 --> 44:35 [SPEAKER_00]: For someone who is a Hall of Famer is pretty crazy.
44:36 --> 44:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Can I just stop you there?
44:37 --> 44:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
44:37 --> 44:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Those were the two names I had down.
44:39 --> 44:40 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll do the first two I wrote down.
44:41 --> 44:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
44:41 --> 44:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
44:42 --> 44:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Those guys were awesome.
44:43 --> 44:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Also, when we're getting ready to ask Max Scherzer if he's got a minute to hop on the mic.
44:49 --> 44:50 [SPEAKER_01]: You want some transparency?
44:50 --> 44:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it a little nerve-racking?
44:52 --> 45:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, because you don't want to get told by this guy who's kind of known for being a psychopath on the mound to like blow up at you, and that's probably us overthinking it, but you know that that nerve at times can kick in, especially with somebody like that.
45:06 --> 45:12 [SPEAKER_01]: But dude, he could not have been cooler, and then we spent like five, seven-ish minutes talking to him afterward, too.
45:12 --> 45:13 [SPEAKER_01]: He was the man.
45:13 --> 45:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope we have run-ins with Max Scherzer again moving forward, because that was so cool.
45:18 --> 45:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, the intensity is still there, though.
45:20 --> 45:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Like he was still like you could see it.
45:22 --> 45:24 [SPEAKER_00]: The eyes are real.
45:25 --> 45:25 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
45:27 --> 45:29 [SPEAKER_00]: What he looks at you with the two different colored eyes.
45:29 --> 45:31 [SPEAKER_00]: You look at like, oh, that is different.
45:32 --> 45:35 [SPEAKER_01]: But the intention, but really cool.
45:35 --> 45:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, we were talking about it.
45:38 --> 45:41 [SPEAKER_00]: It is a different kind of nice with him in Pablo.
45:42 --> 45:43 [SPEAKER_00]: That makes like if that makes sense.
45:44 --> 45:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, Pablo Lopez, you could stop on the street and have like an elongated conversation with he, he is unbelievably nice.
45:54 --> 45:55 [SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty cool.
45:55 --> 45:58 [SPEAKER_01]: And like you said, he's unbelievably smart too.
45:58 --> 46:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he speaks four or five different languages.
46:01 --> 46:02 [SPEAKER_01]: He's got his medical degree.
46:02 --> 46:03 [SPEAKER_01]: He is a unique dude.
46:03 --> 46:10 [SPEAKER_01]: He's not only an unreal picture, but he's just like an all well-rounded
46:11 --> 46:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, athleticism, brains, good people person.
46:15 --> 46:17 [SPEAKER_01]: He really is awesome.
46:17 --> 46:24 [SPEAKER_00]: And when we interviewed him, he's still the only player we have interviewed to guess the exact number of what we're trying to get out of them.
46:25 --> 46:33 [SPEAKER_00]: We asked him to name the all-time Venezuelan strikeout leaders and he's like, oh, Felix is the all-time Venezuelan strikeout leader.
46:33 --> 46:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And we're just said, yes.
46:36 --> 46:37 [SPEAKER_00]: And then he gave us the exact number.
46:38 --> 46:40 [SPEAKER_01]: And we were like, oh my god.
46:41 --> 46:42 [SPEAKER_01]: We're like, I don't even know if we could do that.
46:43 --> 46:44 [SPEAKER_00]: No, no.
46:44 --> 46:47 [SPEAKER_01]: We could do it with, I mean, we could do it with some home run leaders, but.
46:49 --> 46:52 [SPEAKER_01]: to get Felix was exact strikeout number for his career.
46:52 --> 46:54 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no way I could tell you that off the top of my head.
46:54 --> 46:55 [SPEAKER_01]: So that was crazy.
46:56 --> 46:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Pablo was awesome.
46:58 --> 46:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Shores were awesome.
46:59 --> 47:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Shores were said he may want to get into media when he's done playing.
47:02 --> 47:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And I said to him, if you wanted to get into media, one, I think you'd be awesome at it.
47:06 --> 47:12 [SPEAKER_01]: But two, there would be such a long line of people that would stand up outside your door wanting you as part of their team.
47:13 --> 47:16 [SPEAKER_01]: So I said, if you get into it, you're going to have your options, dude.
47:17 --> 47:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I wrote down a couple more.
47:19 --> 47:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Kobe Mayo.
47:21 --> 47:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he was great.
47:22 --> 47:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Kobe was cool.
47:23 --> 47:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Marcus Semian has been a couple years now.
47:26 --> 47:27 [SPEAKER_00]: We've gotten him on the mic.
47:28 --> 47:29 [SPEAKER_00]: He was awesome.
47:30 --> 47:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Eranola.
47:31 --> 47:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
47:32 --> 47:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Also.
47:33 --> 47:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, A plus.
47:34 --> 47:37 [SPEAKER_01]: We talked to him last year, but yeah, he was really cool when we talked to him.
47:37 --> 47:39 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that's a good list.
47:39 --> 47:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I second all that.
47:41 --> 47:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Next page your on question comes from Nick.
47:44 --> 47:44 [SPEAKER_00]: This is.
47:45 --> 47:46 [SPEAKER_00]: This is a good question.
47:46 --> 47:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Nick asks, do you think anyone in the Mariners organization listens to the podcast?
47:52 --> 47:56 [SPEAKER_00]: If so, how does that affect if at all your takes in content?
47:57 --> 47:58 [SPEAKER_00]: He said, feel free not to answer this one.
47:59 --> 48:01 [SPEAKER_00]: But we're going to answer it.
48:01 --> 48:01 [SPEAKER_00]: No problem.
48:01 --> 48:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for the question, Nick.
48:03 --> 48:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
48:04 --> 48:05 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a good question.
48:06 --> 48:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Short answer.
48:07 --> 48:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
48:09 --> 48:11 [SPEAKER_01]: We know there are people in the org that listen.
48:12 --> 48:14 [SPEAKER_01]: We know the players see our stuff and sometimes that's social media.
48:15 --> 48:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes it could be the podcast, but yes, like we know there's people in the org that listen.
48:20 --> 48:22 [SPEAKER_01]: How does that change the things we say?
48:22 --> 48:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, for those of you that listen regularly or even however often you listen, I would hope your takeaway would be not at all because
48:32 --> 48:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I would think the way we talk on here is pretty transparent.
48:36 --> 48:43 [SPEAKER_01]: The feedback we've gotten, which is always cool for us to hear, because this is what we want to be, is people say, you guys are entertaining, you guys are personalities.
48:45 --> 48:46 [SPEAKER_01]: You call it how it is.
48:46 --> 48:47 [SPEAKER_01]: You keep it real with people.
48:47 --> 48:49 [SPEAKER_01]: And I would say yes, that's a hundred percent true.
48:50 --> 48:51 [SPEAKER_01]: When the team's winning, we want to hype them up.
48:52 --> 48:53 [SPEAKER_01]: We want to be fired up.
48:53 --> 48:55 [SPEAKER_01]: We want to fire up the fan base because that's what's warranted.
48:56 --> 49:05 [SPEAKER_01]: But if they're losing and they're not playing well, we do not by any stretch want to sit here and try to gaslight a fan base through our mouths.
49:05 --> 49:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I would feel terrible and sick to my stomach doing that.
49:09 --> 49:11 [SPEAKER_01]: The things you hear me and TJ talk about on this show.
49:12 --> 49:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I wholeheartedly feel.
49:14 --> 49:16 [SPEAKER_01]: So I would hope that comes through when you guys listen.
49:17 --> 49:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And yes, despite knowing there are people in the org that do listen, it doesn't really change the way I talk about the team because I basically talk about how I'm feeling.
49:28 --> 49:29 [SPEAKER_00]: We would not say anything on here.
49:29 --> 49:34 [SPEAKER_00]: We wouldn't be able to tell anyone in the Mariners organization if they asked us about it.
49:35 --> 49:49 [SPEAKER_00]: because otherwise then we'd be fake and no one likes fake people and we don't want to do that and also like just I guess for a little background like the mariner's of course are like aware of who they are they let us on the field to go talk to players and such
49:50 --> 49:56 [SPEAKER_00]: They would prop as any organization would be aware of who they are letting on the field and what they're saying.
49:56 --> 50:05 [SPEAKER_00]: So like that's that's just kind of how it is whoever gets a credential gets, you know, they listen and pay attention to a little bit.
50:05 --> 50:17 [SPEAKER_00]: But again, long I have no problem saying what we say because we would wholeheartedly say it if someone asked us about it and had a problem with something we said we're happy to just disagree and talk it through in person if there's a problem with that.
50:19 --> 50:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you want me to say what people are probably sitting there thinking right now.
50:23 --> 50:32 [SPEAKER_01]: If somebody were to come up to us and have an issue with something we've said about their spending habits, yes, we would sit there and say, you guys do not do enough financially to try and help this team win a world series.
50:32 --> 50:33 [SPEAKER_01]: That is how we feel.
50:34 --> 50:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, our people in the Mariners Ordinary agree with that.
50:36 --> 50:40 [SPEAKER_01]: There are probably some people that would feel differently as the way they've operated.
50:40 --> 50:41 [SPEAKER_01]: That is not how TJ and I feel.
50:42 --> 50:46 [SPEAKER_01]: And whether that's right or wrong is up for people's interpretation, but that's how we feel.
50:46 --> 50:47 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's what we're going to sit here and say.
50:49 --> 50:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for the question, though, Nick.
50:50 --> 50:52 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a seriously good question.
50:52 --> 50:56 [SPEAKER_00]: We appreciate your support on Patreon and all of you guys' questions.
50:57 --> 51:00 [SPEAKER_00]: These are the kind of questions feel free.
51:00 --> 51:04 [SPEAKER_00]: If you are seriously curious about something, we are happy to answer it.
51:06 --> 51:09 [SPEAKER_01]: This is one of my favorite questions we've gotten seriously.
51:09 --> 51:09 [SPEAKER_01]: So shout out to you, Nick.
51:10 --> 51:23 [SPEAKER_01]: And like we've talked to a couple college kids that are in media and looking to get into the media world about just questions they have about media, baseball media, trends, social media habits, etc.
51:24 --> 51:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Like we are always happy to talk baseball, but if anybody has questions like Nick just asked,
51:30 --> 51:34 [SPEAKER_01]: If it's like an appropriate thing for us to answer, we're happy to answer it.
51:34 --> 51:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Because we want to give people as much insight as we can.
51:36 --> 51:38 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, this is a really cool one.
51:39 --> 51:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Next question comes from Robert on Patreon and the question is, you guys have a baseball stats website that you recommend need to upgrade from the ESPN app, willing to pay a little bit of money for a subscription.
51:52 --> 51:59 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what's nice, Robert, is you don't actually have to pay a subscription to get some good baseball websites to try and use for reference.
52:00 --> 52:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I will say, I do say this with all the respect in the world at ESPN.
52:06 --> 52:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't use ESPN for baseball stats.
52:08 --> 52:10 [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't tell a good picture.
52:11 --> 52:12 [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't have enough information.
52:12 --> 52:14 [SPEAKER_01]: The interface is just okay.
52:15 --> 52:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I would say Robert, if you need three sites, baseball reference, fan graphs, baseball, so on.
52:21 --> 52:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll tell you a little bit of a different story.
52:24 --> 52:29 [SPEAKER_01]: But all do a really, really good job in painting pictures on who players and teams are.
52:29 --> 52:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And if you want full transparency, those three sites TJ and I are using all the time to bring here to this podcast for reference on numbers.
52:37 --> 52:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Reference is the most user-friendly, I will say.
52:39 --> 52:41 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a little bit easier to get around.
52:41 --> 52:43 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a little bit of a simpler look.
52:43 --> 52:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I think fan graphs and savant are a little bit more detailed, a little bit more specific, maybe a little bit more niche.
52:51 --> 52:54 [SPEAKER_00]: If you could potentially be overwhelmed by advanced statistics,
52:55 --> 52:56 [SPEAKER_00]: probably not the site for you.
52:56 --> 52:57 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot going on there.
52:58 --> 52:59 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of different factors with everything.
53:00 --> 53:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I think baseball reference keeps it very simple.
53:03 --> 53:05 [SPEAKER_00]: And baseball reference for the most part is free.
53:05 --> 53:12 [SPEAKER_00]: All both fan graphs and reference have paid options, which allow you a little bit more freedom for things.
53:12 --> 53:14 [SPEAKER_00]: You can do specific searches and things like that.
53:14 --> 53:19 [SPEAKER_00]: But if you're just trying to go look at a player's page, both of those have great free options.
53:19 --> 53:20 [SPEAKER_00]: You just have to deal with some ads.
53:22 --> 53:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
53:22 --> 53:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Next question comes from Jacob on Instagram.
53:25 --> 53:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Jacob has a good question based off of one of the hottest Mariners prospect.
53:29 --> 53:35 [SPEAKER_00]: His question is since last Montez just got promoted to double way, AA and he's already hitting very well.
53:35 --> 53:39 [SPEAKER_00]: What are the chances last Montez says sees the big leagues this year?
53:41 --> 53:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Just about zero.
53:42 --> 53:44 [SPEAKER_01]: And we like Lesbantez, obviously.
53:44 --> 53:52 [SPEAKER_01]: He's such a fun personality with a bat that if the ceiling all hits has a chance to be a thirty-five plus Homer guy, which is super exciting.
53:52 --> 53:53 [SPEAKER_01]: But he's twenty years old.
53:54 --> 53:55 [SPEAKER_01]: He just got to AA.
53:55 --> 53:57 [SPEAKER_01]: He's one of the youngest players in AA.
53:58 --> 53:59 [SPEAKER_01]: He needs time to develop.
54:00 --> 54:04 [SPEAKER_01]: The line TJ's used, and I will second it and continue to use it as well.
54:06 --> 54:10 [SPEAKER_01]: He probably needs one calendar year minimum in AA.
54:10 --> 54:14 [SPEAKER_01]: So the rest of this season and until at least about mid June next season.
54:15 --> 54:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Once he gets to that period, then re-evaluate.
54:18 --> 54:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Then decide what you want to do with LAS is a time for AAA is a time for the majors, et cetera.
54:23 --> 54:27 [SPEAKER_01]: But by that point, he'd be twenty-one, still one of the youngest players in AA.
54:27 --> 54:32 [SPEAKER_01]: He'd certainly be one of the youngest players in AAA and he'd be one of the youngest players in the big leagues.
54:33 --> 54:34 [SPEAKER_01]: He needs that time.
54:35 --> 54:36 [SPEAKER_01]: He still strikes out a lot.
54:36 --> 54:39 [SPEAKER_01]: He still has some defensive things to try and shore up.
54:40 --> 54:44 [SPEAKER_01]: So as exciting as he's been, he doesn't need time.
54:44 --> 54:45 [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't think we'll see him this year.
54:46 --> 54:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Lies for reference played a hundred and eighteen games in Everett before his promotion about five hundred and thirty at bats.
54:51 --> 54:56 [SPEAKER_00]: He's right now at thirty nine at bats in Arkansas and less than ten games played.
54:57 --> 55:00 [SPEAKER_00]: at least let him get up to those numbers he put up in ever it.
55:00 --> 55:05 [SPEAKER_00]: The amount of games played, the amount of at bats, if not more, and then go from there.
55:05 --> 55:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Here's what Laz is gonna have to deal with as he goes up in the minor leagues and potentially into the big leagues.
55:11 --> 55:13 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not only just defense, right?
55:13 --> 55:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Laz has made his billing in the minor leagues.
55:15 --> 55:22 [SPEAKER_00]: He's walked a ton and he's hit for a ton of power about as much power as anyone in the minor leagues, which are two great traits to have.
55:23 --> 55:25 [SPEAKER_00]: What happens when he starts getting to the higher levels?
55:25 --> 55:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Double A is the start of one of them, where the pitcher's stuff is that much better, and they better control the strike zone, and instead of pitching around lads and walking him, because of the prodigious power, they go right after him with good stuff.
55:39 --> 56:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Then how is he how or his stats gonna look when he does that because Lazarus weakness right now and To preview this well arm latent from just baseball on the on the on the call-up and the just baseball show on next Wednesday's podcast to preview the draft we did ask him about Lazar's two one of Lazar's flaws and his offensive game right now.
56:00 --> 56:03 [SPEAKER_00]: He still has quite a bit of swing a miss in the strike zone
56:03 --> 56:08 [SPEAKER_00]: and that's something that teams look at when they evaluate whether or not a player is ready.
56:09 --> 56:18 [SPEAKER_00]: You can see the results of what Laz does when he does hit a baseball, but what about what he does when he doesn't hit a baseball and what are the, how often does that occur?
56:18 --> 56:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Right now there's still a lot of swing a miss when a pitcher throws the ball in the strike zone and I'm sure the Mariners before they promote him would want to see that rate go up.
56:27 --> 56:27 [SPEAKER_01]: No doubt.
56:28 --> 56:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I second all that.
56:30 --> 56:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Awesome that he's gotten off to such a hot start, but he needs a lot of time.
56:33 --> 56:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
56:35 --> 56:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Last question comes from Andrew on Instagram, and Andrew's question is, Mike Hill Garcia at the Trade Deadline.
56:42 --> 56:45 [SPEAKER_00]: One good reason why it shouldn't happen.
56:46 --> 56:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have one, but the Royals would probably not do this because he's got a ton of club control.
56:54 --> 56:54 [SPEAKER_01]: He's
56:57 --> 57:01 [SPEAKER_01]: They are not looking to trade one of the two best bats on their roster.
57:02 --> 57:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Not only two best, while I looked at their fan graphs page today, the Royal's fan graphs page.
57:08 --> 57:09 [SPEAKER_00]: They have two guys.
57:10 --> 57:12 [SPEAKER_00]: They essentially have two good hitters, and he's one of them.
57:13 --> 57:14 [SPEAKER_00]: It's him and Bobby wet.
57:16 --> 57:18 [SPEAKER_00]: He's hitting better than Bobby wet is right now.
57:18 --> 57:24 [SPEAKER_00]: In fact, I believe they're the only two hitters, or it's close, that have been worth over half a win.
57:25 --> 57:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Half.
57:28 --> 57:29 [SPEAKER_01]: They're not trading him.
57:29 --> 57:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I would love Mike.
57:30 --> 57:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I would love Mike.
57:31 --> 57:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I would love Mike.
57:32 --> 57:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I would say I'd a play third, but I don't think it's happening.
57:34 --> 57:35 [SPEAKER_01]: It is a good idea though.
57:35 --> 57:38 [SPEAKER_00]: He has four R beers after this year.
57:38 --> 57:41 [SPEAKER_00]: So he's on League minimum this year and then he's a super two.
57:41 --> 57:44 [SPEAKER_00]: He'll start arbitration next season.
57:44 --> 57:45 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a long way.
57:45 --> 57:49 [SPEAKER_00]: They got to go worth of control before they even think about something like that.
57:49 --> 57:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
57:50 --> 57:51 [SPEAKER_01]: We do have one more.
57:51 --> 57:53 [SPEAKER_01]: There's one other pastry on question.
57:53 --> 57:59 [SPEAKER_01]: It came from Krista and she said, Lyle, when you played baseball in high school, where you ever asked to bunt.
58:01 --> 58:04 [SPEAKER_01]: And if so, how did you react?
58:05 --> 58:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Funny you ask.
58:07 --> 58:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I must have been one of the worst bunkers in the history of high school baseball.
58:12 --> 58:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I was so bad at it.
58:14 --> 58:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Believe it or not, this is not the reason I hate bunning.
58:16 --> 58:17 [SPEAKER_01]: You may hear this and think it is.
58:18 --> 58:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I hate bunning because I just think it majorly baseball.
58:21 --> 58:25 [SPEAKER_01]: It is totally counterproductive of how to score runs in today's day and age.
58:26 --> 58:28 [SPEAKER_01]: So, is it fine in high school baseball?
58:28 --> 58:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
58:29 --> 58:30 [SPEAKER_01]: High school baseball is a lot different than the big leagues.
58:31 --> 58:34 [SPEAKER_01]: But to answer the question, I was awful at it.
58:35 --> 58:41 [SPEAKER_01]: And there was one time I remember it was senior night, over at Lake Washington High School, or a playing a game down at Lee Johnson Field.
58:41 --> 58:41 [SPEAKER_01]: It's packed.
58:41 --> 58:43 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a bunch of people in town.
58:43 --> 58:43 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a nice night.
58:44 --> 58:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm getting my a bat for senior night because I was a bench player on our on our high school baseball team.
58:50 --> 58:58 [SPEAKER_01]: And our coach tells me potentially be prepared to bun if the guy ahead of me gets on to lead off the inning.
59:00 --> 59:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I go, what?
59:01 --> 59:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I literally look back at my coach, I go, what?
59:04 --> 59:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Not only have they seen me feebly attempt to button practice all year and look just ridiculous trying to do it, but it's like, I get one of the few at bats I'm gonna get.
59:14 --> 59:18 [SPEAKER_01]: all year, and I have to drop down a bun on Cedar Night.
59:18 --> 59:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm thinking myself fuck, no.
59:19 --> 59:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And if anybody from hell does listening to this, I'm sorry that eight years later, this is how I feel, but this is how I felt, and this is how I felt in that moment.
59:27 --> 59:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, I didn't actually end up having a bun.
59:28 --> 59:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't get the bun sign, but when I heard potentially have to bun, yeah, I was pissed.
59:33 --> 59:38 [SPEAKER_01]: So in shocking fashion, I'm sure Christa, I had no interest.
59:39 --> 59:41 [SPEAKER_01]: So fast forward and now I still hate bunning.
59:42 --> 59:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm kind of disappointed in you, not not, not because of the concept of bonding.
59:50 --> 59:53 [SPEAKER_00]: But not being a team player, I know that's how you guys won games.
59:54 --> 59:55 [SPEAKER_01]: It is how we won games.
59:55 --> 01:00:00 [SPEAKER_01]: But like again, I don't hate bonding in high school baseball because the game is so different.
01:00:01 --> 01:00:09 [SPEAKER_01]: And the idea of manufacturing runs and playing good, fundamental baseball in high school has merit because there is such a talent discrepancy in high school baseball a lot of the time.
01:00:12 --> 01:00:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, I barely got to play on this.
01:00:15 --> 01:00:17 [SPEAKER_01]: He, like, let me, let me just call it how it is.
01:00:17 --> 01:00:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I was a glorified cheerleader on a high school baseball team.
01:00:20 --> 01:00:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
01:00:21 --> 01:00:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, we were really good.
01:00:22 --> 01:00:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I love every second of it.
01:00:23 --> 01:00:26 [SPEAKER_01]: We won the state title in high school and beat Corbin Carroll.
01:00:26 --> 01:00:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I've talked about on this podcast plenty.
01:00:28 --> 01:00:29 [SPEAKER_01]: It is some of the best times I've ever had.
01:00:31 --> 01:00:33 [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm gonna call it, like, how it is.
01:00:33 --> 01:00:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't get that many at bats and the few at bats I got in that season.
01:00:37 --> 01:00:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't want to be bunny.
01:00:38 --> 01:00:38 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.
01:00:39 --> 01:00:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Did you start a game?
01:00:42 --> 01:00:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, yes.
01:00:43 --> 01:00:48 [SPEAKER_01]: We played a game at Timo O'Park because we sold all those mariners tickets back in high school.
01:00:49 --> 01:00:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I got to start that.
01:00:49 --> 01:00:50 [SPEAKER_01]: So that was cool.
01:00:50 --> 01:00:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wow.
01:00:51 --> 01:00:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Did you play the whole game?
01:00:53 --> 01:00:54 [SPEAKER_00]: No, everybody gets in and plays that game.
01:00:55 --> 01:00:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.
01:00:56 --> 01:00:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
01:00:57 --> 01:00:58 [SPEAKER_00]: At least you got in the starting lineup at that.
01:00:58 --> 01:00:59 [SPEAKER_00]: It's pretty cool.
01:00:59 --> 01:01:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:01:00 --> 01:01:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I sat in the stands and watched those games.
01:01:02 --> 01:01:02 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
01:01:02 --> 01:01:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, to answer your question, I'm sorry if that comes off is not being a team player, but I had no interest in bunning the baseball.
01:01:11 --> 01:01:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, I really didn't get that many.
01:01:13 --> 01:01:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I did not get that many of that to you guys.
01:01:15 --> 01:01:18 [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't feel that bad about saying I didn't want to button one of my few of that.
01:01:19 --> 01:01:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you guys for all the support and all the, all the mailbag questions today.
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01:01:47 --> 01:01:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's wrap up the show Lyle and get to our number four MLB draft spotlight potentially the highest upside in this entire draft.
01:01:57 --> 01:02:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Get me fired up about this dude, Seth Hernandez.
01:02:00 --> 01:02:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Six, five, one hundred, ninety five pounds right handed picture out of Southern California, went to Corona High School and man can you dream on what this guy's ceiling can be.
01:02:13 --> 01:02:14 [SPEAKER_01]: The stuff this guy has is
01:02:15 --> 01:02:16 [SPEAKER_01]: ridiculous.
01:02:16 --> 01:02:18 [SPEAKER_01]: The upside I should say is pretty ridiculous.
01:02:19 --> 01:02:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's not fair to call this stuff that at eighteen, but the potential of the stuff is nuts.
01:02:24 --> 01:02:26 [SPEAKER_01]: You're talking about four pitches.
01:02:26 --> 01:02:31 [SPEAKER_01]: All of them great out is potential plus offerings with a fastball change up combo.
01:02:32 --> 01:02:34 [SPEAKER_01]: that has the upside of the best in this draft.
01:02:34 --> 01:02:37 [SPEAKER_01]: He throws a fastball, change up, curveball, slider.
01:02:38 --> 01:02:47 [SPEAKER_01]: All of them are really good pitches combined with a tall, lanky athletic dude who has a chance that if it all works out to pitch at the top of this rotation.
01:02:48 --> 01:02:50 [SPEAKER_00]: When we discussed it, I've our cat last episode.
01:02:50 --> 01:02:54 [SPEAKER_00]: You said, you know, I don't know what the upside here is high enough.
01:02:54 --> 01:02:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to swing for the fences.
01:02:55 --> 01:02:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to hit that top potential ceiling for this draft.
01:02:59 --> 01:03:01 [SPEAKER_00]: This is the pick if you want that.
01:03:01 --> 01:03:07 [SPEAKER_00]: If you want a swing for the absolute fences, Seth Hernandez is the pick.
01:03:07 --> 01:03:18 [SPEAKER_00]: The problem when you swing for the fences is that you can also strike out as well because among the risky demographics when picking, especially picking in the top three is going after a high school pitcher.
01:03:18 --> 01:03:20 [SPEAKER_00]: The innings load is not built up.
01:03:21 --> 01:03:22 [SPEAKER_00]: The maturity is not built up.
01:03:23 --> 01:03:25 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a higher risk of injury with high schoolers.
01:03:26 --> 01:03:30 [SPEAKER_00]: And there's just, it's less likely that they pan out than college pitchers.
01:03:31 --> 01:03:37 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's why teams, you know, they, it is risky to pick high school arms this high.
01:03:37 --> 01:03:44 [SPEAKER_00]: What the payoff is, you could have Seth Hernandez in the big leagues at age twenty one when he would be getting drafted otherwise with
01:03:44 --> 01:03:53 [SPEAKER_00]: an arsenal that if it works out would be as good as any pitcher and minor league baseball, which is something you can just dream on at this very point.
01:03:54 --> 01:03:56 [SPEAKER_01]: So let me spill the beans for everybody.
01:03:56 --> 01:04:00 [SPEAKER_01]: How long have I been saying the Mariners need to take a swing in this draft and shoot to get a start?
01:04:01 --> 01:04:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, Seth Hernandez is very high toward the top of my own personal list of who I love to see the Mariners draft.
01:04:08 --> 01:04:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Is there a risk?
01:04:09 --> 01:04:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
01:04:10 --> 01:04:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Because drafting high school pitchers, especially right-handed high school pitchers, doesn't always have the greatest track record.
01:04:15 --> 01:04:19 [SPEAKER_01]: And you have to understand that there is potential there that it would not pan out.
01:04:20 --> 01:04:28 [SPEAKER_01]: But when you've drafted enough college arms that have all worked and all paned out and all had success for you, great.
01:04:28 --> 01:04:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Why not change it up just a little bit with a guy whose upside has a chance to be special?
01:04:33 --> 01:04:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Not just good, special.
01:04:36 --> 01:04:41 [SPEAKER_01]: When you have a pick like this at number three and regularly would get no chance of drafting a guy like this.
01:04:42 --> 01:04:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I can get myself fired up about Seth Hernandez and that arsenal he displays.
01:04:47 --> 01:04:49 [SPEAKER_01]: He's already throwing ninety eight as a high schooler.
01:04:50 --> 01:04:52 [SPEAKER_01]: He's probably got room to grow in that regard.
01:04:53 --> 01:04:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's already got four pitches that are really good.
01:04:56 --> 01:04:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Imagine what the Mariners in their pitching lab could do with Seth Hernandez.
01:05:00 --> 01:05:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, why is drafting a high school or so risky?
01:05:02 --> 01:05:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's look at the examples of the Mariners high school right handers they've drafted in the top handful of rounds the last few years.
01:05:10 --> 01:05:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Just think about it.
01:05:11 --> 01:05:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Who is the highest?
01:05:13 --> 01:05:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, actually, you know what?
01:05:14 --> 01:05:16 [SPEAKER_00]: We can even just do the entire jury to photo era.
01:05:17 --> 01:05:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Wow, who has progressed the furthest in terms of right-handed high school starting pictures in this jury to photo era within the organization without getting traded?
01:05:27 --> 01:05:31 [SPEAKER_01]: So all TJ means by this is who's at the highest level of minor league baseball, right?
01:05:32 --> 01:05:38 [SPEAKER_01]: We're not counting Ryan slow in here because as we speak, even though his upside is by far the highest, he's only in low a right now.
01:05:38 --> 01:05:41 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's performing excellently, but right, yeah, it's still very early on.
01:05:41 --> 01:05:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's been awesome.
01:05:42 --> 01:05:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Ryan Sloan has been awesome, but the guy that's progressed the far the so far is Michael Morales and he's in double a. And Michael Morales right now is on his fourth full season of minor league baseball and in double a.
01:05:53 --> 01:05:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, as a high schooler, so the progression can be a little bit slower.
01:05:56 --> 01:06:07 [SPEAKER_00]: But in terms of, like, the Mariners example, the Mariners haven't even liked to go out there and pick high schoolers, because they understand, yeah, this profile's risky, and you know what, their strategy is paid off.
01:06:07 --> 01:06:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Logan Gilbert College Arm, Big Leagueer Stud, Brian Wu College Arm, Big Leagueer Stud, Bryce Miller College Arm, Big Leagueer Stud, George Kirby, College Arm, Big Leagueer Stud.
01:06:17 --> 01:06:21 [SPEAKER_00]: They have a type, and it has worked out very, very, very well for them.
01:06:22 --> 01:06:29 [SPEAKER_00]: So what picking Seth Hernandez be a little bit outside of their realm, I'd say of their comfort ability and what they've done really well?
01:06:30 --> 01:06:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:06:31 --> 01:06:37 [SPEAKER_00]: But you also don't usually get an opportunity to pick at number three and grab a guy with the talent level of Seth Hernandez.
01:06:39 --> 01:06:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I love this idea.
01:06:40 --> 01:06:44 [SPEAKER_01]: As we wrap this one up, I would love to see the Mariners take a swing like this.
01:06:44 --> 01:06:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it'd be really fun and an upside that is to dream on.
01:06:48 --> 01:06:49 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's Seth Hernandez.
01:06:49 --> 01:06:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Pretty exciting.
01:06:51 --> 01:06:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Drafts coming up.
01:06:52 --> 01:06:52 [SPEAKER_01]: We're getting really close.
01:06:52 --> 01:06:54 [SPEAKER_01]: We got three more of these to do.
01:06:54 --> 01:06:55 [SPEAKER_01]: This has been a blast.
01:06:55 --> 01:06:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't wait for the draft to get here because it's time.
01:06:58 --> 01:06:58 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
01:06:58 --> 01:07:01 [SPEAKER_01]: That just about wraps up this edition of the Marine Layer Podcast.
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