Lyle and TJ react to the Mariners sweep over the weekend, and the four all-star selections heading to Atlanta next week (3:00). The two of them dive into the Alex Bregman rumors of the past week, and whether or not the Red Sox 3B is actually an option for the Mariners at the deadline (31:25). They close out the show discussing their No.3 MLB Draft Spotlight, Eli Willits (49:21).
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00:00 --> 00:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to episode number two sixty four of the Marine Lair podcast the Mariners polish off of five and two home stand will have our takeaways will react to some of the Mariners all star selections.
00:11 --> 00:17 [SPEAKER_01]: We have some Alex Breggman rumors to address from this last week and we have our number three MLB draft spotlight.
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00:59 --> 01:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Lair podcast part of the just baseball podcast network recording on Sunday evening July six, while would you like the good news or the bad news?
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01:14 --> 01:15 [SPEAKER_01]: What's the bad news?
01:16 --> 01:19 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners averaged less than three runs a game against the pirates.
01:19 --> 01:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Did they win the series?
01:23 --> 01:23 [SPEAKER_00]: they did.
01:24 --> 01:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Wait, no, they did not average less than three runs.
01:27 --> 01:29 [SPEAKER_00]: They scored eight runs in the series.
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01:54 --> 01:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Positive and a negative.
01:55 --> 01:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I got them both in there for you.
01:57 --> 02:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Dude, that was unprecedented shit from the rotation this weekend.
02:02 --> 02:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Nineteen in a third scoreless.
02:05 --> 02:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I know the Pirates offense is bad, but regardless, when you go out and do that against any big league lineup, especially in a series where you need to win and a homestand you need to take advantage of, like, we've harped on.
02:18 --> 02:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they went out and did it.
02:19 --> 02:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Brian Wu, Luis Castillo, George Kirby went out and flat out dealt.
02:23 --> 02:28 [SPEAKER_01]: This pitching staff, since they got swept by the Diamondbacks law, which would you say that's the low point?
02:28 --> 02:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it feels pretty close to the low point of the season.
02:31 --> 02:31 [SPEAKER_01]: There's been a couple.
02:32 --> 02:33 [SPEAKER_01]: That one sticks out pretty well.
02:34 --> 02:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Since that point on June eleventh, the Mariners have the third best pitching staff in baseball.
02:39 --> 02:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Like they've, they've four almost a month stretch been back.
02:44 --> 02:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and talk about a pretty good turn through the rotation, too.
02:47 --> 02:52 [SPEAKER_00]: The one guy who just didn't all out have it in this last turn is the ace is Logan Gilbert.
02:52 --> 02:56 [SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't awful, but it wasn't peak Logan Gilbert by any means.
02:56 --> 03:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, we've talked about he hasn't really worked deep into games this year, but look at everybody else.
03:00 --> 03:04 [SPEAKER_00]: You go from Logan Evans on Thursday, who went five and a third shot out to woo.
03:06 --> 03:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Castillo, Kirby.
03:08 --> 03:15 [SPEAKER_00]: That's four really good outings in a row from the rotation, and then you always feel good having Logan Gilbert take the ball no matter what date is, which he will in New York on Tuesday.
03:16 --> 03:18 [SPEAKER_01]: And how good does it make you feel that Kirby?
03:18 --> 03:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, not only showed up today, he outdooled Paul schemes.
03:22 --> 03:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Also, by the way, Pirates absolute fucking malpractice to take that dude out at seventy six pitches in the after five innings.
03:31 --> 03:32 [SPEAKER_01]: What are you doing?
03:33 --> 03:36 [SPEAKER_01]: He was carving up the Mariners lineup.
03:36 --> 03:40 [SPEAKER_01]: And then as soon as they took him out, Randy arose arena a lot, arrived.
03:43 --> 03:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Dude.
03:44 --> 03:50 [SPEAKER_00]: So we spent a lot of time this weekend with our friends over at the Bucco Banner podcast, which is also part of just baseball.
03:50 --> 03:52 [SPEAKER_00]: And they're kind of the Pirates version of us.
03:52 --> 03:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they are as close to like what we do in Pittsburgh as you can probably emulate, like they do some similar things to what we do.
04:01 --> 04:03 [SPEAKER_00]: We were talking of all week at a man.
04:03 --> 04:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the takeaways from being a pirates fan, it gives you some perspective.
04:07 --> 04:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it really, really gives you some perspective.
04:11 --> 04:23 [SPEAKER_00]: You want to talk about just constant PR disasters, the pirates, like terrible on-field play, terrible PR, nice ballpark, but not a lot of else that's great.
04:24 --> 04:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And some people would say that's the Mariners.
04:27 --> 04:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Not quite to that level.
04:28 --> 04:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm gonna be honest, Meredith fans have it pretty good compared to the pirates.
04:34 --> 04:35 [SPEAKER_01]: That's saying something.
04:36 --> 04:40 [SPEAKER_00]: It is a tough scene being a pirate's family.
04:40 --> 04:47 [SPEAKER_01]: And could you imagine, I mean, I feel kind of bad for Adam Adam and Scott coming all the way out here to Seattle to watch their team.
04:48 --> 04:50 [SPEAKER_01]: And I know they understand their team sucks.
04:50 --> 04:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Like they get it.
04:52 --> 04:53 [SPEAKER_01]: They explain to us like,
04:54 --> 04:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Which, you know, we might have to take note of as we do this podcast.
04:57 --> 04:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Eventually, the Mariners will stink.
04:59 --> 05:02 [SPEAKER_01]: When we do this podcast, we'll need to find out things to talk about.
05:02 --> 05:04 [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm like, I always ask him, I'm curious.
05:04 --> 05:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, what, what do you guys talk about?
05:06 --> 05:09 [SPEAKER_01]: If the team is just hopeless, this majorly roster just has no hope.
05:09 --> 05:12 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, yeah, you only talk about the minor leagues pretty much.
05:12 --> 05:13 [SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
05:13 --> 05:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Imagine getting on a plane and flying all the way to Seattle, the farthest trip you could take in the major league baseball season and your team scores zero runs.
05:24 --> 05:24 [SPEAKER_01]: zero.
05:25 --> 05:27 [SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, not imagine.
05:28 --> 05:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, two things, Adam and Scott are the two guys who host Bucco Banner just for context for people.
05:32 --> 05:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And then in Adam is their cameraman.
05:34 --> 05:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're Adam, sir, cameraman.
05:36 --> 05:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Two atoms and a Scott.
05:38 --> 05:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
05:38 --> 05:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, yeah, might be a little confusing coming out of my that out the time.
05:42 --> 05:45 [SPEAKER_00]: All I was going to say is to see your team score no runs.
05:45 --> 05:47 [SPEAKER_00]: That's something the Mariners have never done.
05:47 --> 05:50 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners have never shut out a team three times in a row.
05:50 --> 05:57 [SPEAKER_00]: They got to see a first time for anything and anything here in Seattle because they did not score run all weekend.
05:57 --> 05:57 [SPEAKER_00]: It's funny.
05:57 --> 06:00 [SPEAKER_00]: They almost did that to the Met's last year of the Mariners.
06:00 --> 06:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Remember that Sunday night baseball series?
06:02 --> 06:05 [SPEAKER_01]: They only the Met's got a Mickey Mouse run when they were down ten nothing.
06:06 --> 06:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
06:07 --> 06:08 [SPEAKER_00]: So the Mariners almost did it last year.
06:09 --> 06:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, I hope the trend is not the same as what happened last year because when the Mariners swept the meds last year, it felt like they were at about a high of the season and Julio got back off the injury and the rotation was pitching well and everything felt like after getting Randy and Turner at the deadline things were turning and then they went on the road to play the tigers and play good teams and then things went crashing downhill and the Mariners now go out and play
06:36 --> 06:38 [SPEAKER_00]: the tigers on the road and the Yankees on the road.
06:38 --> 06:50 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's a little bit of a different road trip last year than when the Mariners played the tigers, the Dodgers, and funny enough the pirates in Pittsburgh when it was the road trip from hell, service got fired, et cetera.
06:51 --> 06:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm really, really hoping history does not repeat itself here because they really can't afford to go out and go one in five on this road trip.
06:59 --> 07:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll give them this.
07:00 --> 07:02 [SPEAKER_01]: The tiger series is going to suck.
07:02 --> 07:03 [SPEAKER_01]: It's going.
07:03 --> 07:03 [SPEAKER_01]: It's going.
07:03 --> 07:04 [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be tough.
07:05 --> 07:07 [SPEAKER_01]: The mariners have a lot up against them.
07:07 --> 07:10 [SPEAKER_01]: They have not beaten the tigers in a series since twenty three.
07:10 --> 07:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to say they did not beat the tigers last year in a series.
07:14 --> 07:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
07:15 --> 07:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
07:15 --> 07:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Because they nearly got swept at home and they got swept on the road.
07:20 --> 07:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they got swept on the road.
07:21 --> 07:24 [SPEAKER_01]: But the Yankees, at least, they've stunk recently.
07:26 --> 07:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Have you seen the fallout in Yankees land here over the weekend?
07:30 --> 07:32 [SPEAKER_00]: The Yankees are on a tough stretch.
07:32 --> 07:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, they could notice only a game back of the Yankees right now, by the way.
07:36 --> 07:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and the Yankees don't exactly have the murderers row of the, you know, of arms pitching against them in this series.
07:45 --> 07:49 [SPEAKER_00]: It's Will Warren, a TBD, and there's a third.
07:50 --> 07:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm missing it.
07:51 --> 07:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, look.
07:53 --> 07:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And Clark Schmidt just went on, or is going to get Tommy John.
07:57 --> 07:58 [SPEAKER_01]: So it will not be him.
08:00 --> 08:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to remember who the other guy is, but anyway, Rodon.
08:04 --> 08:06 [SPEAKER_00]: No, because if it was Rodon, it would have stood out.
08:07 --> 08:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, anyway, point being I still think it's going to be a tough series in New York, because the Mariners don't exactly, you know, dominate the Yankees when they play them either.
08:15 --> 08:15 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
08:18 --> 08:18 [SPEAKER_01]: No, they don't.
08:19 --> 08:20 [SPEAKER_01]: But Cowell dominate the Yankees.
08:21 --> 08:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's Cowell Rally week, everybody.
08:23 --> 08:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Cowell, Cowell knows what's in front of him right now.
08:26 --> 08:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Four home runs to Tybury.
08:29 --> 08:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Five to break his record.
08:30 --> 08:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Going into the All Star Break.
08:32 --> 08:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's gonna have to do it.
08:34 --> 08:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Who is it?
08:35 --> 08:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Marcus Drummond.
08:37 --> 08:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Perfect.
08:38 --> 08:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Great for Cowell.
08:39 --> 08:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I need a short porch Cowell Rally home run this week.
08:44 --> 08:45 [SPEAKER_01]: So again, we're about two or three.
08:46 --> 08:49 [SPEAKER_00]: It's well-warrant, TBD, and then Marcus Strowman.
08:50 --> 08:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Three home runs for Cal.
08:52 --> 08:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Great.
08:53 --> 08:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Then he'd only need one and Detroit to tie bonds his pace.
08:57 --> 08:58 [SPEAKER_01]: It's Cal Rally Week.
08:59 --> 09:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Get him hot going into the Derby and
09:04 --> 09:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, show up, judge in his own ballpark.
09:06 --> 09:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that sounds pretty good to me.
09:08 --> 09:10 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm looking for people right now.
09:10 --> 09:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Terriq Scoobal last pitched on June the twenty ninth.
09:14 --> 09:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to assume he is very due for a start here in the next day or two.
09:18 --> 09:21 [SPEAKER_00]: So what do he line up to face the Mariners?
09:21 --> 09:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, the Tigers don't play here on Monday.
09:24 --> 09:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Tuesday the eighth.
09:24 --> 09:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just going through the the projected's right now.
09:27 --> 09:29 [SPEAKER_00]: It's flarity and then it's
09:31 --> 09:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Wednesday, I'm just, I know this is great podcasting, looking through who's pitching against who.
09:35 --> 09:37 [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm trying to see if the mirrors are going to line up to face scuba.
09:39 --> 09:41 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know if they do.
09:42 --> 09:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if they might miss scuba.
09:44 --> 09:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.
09:45 --> 09:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that would be a huge positive.
09:48 --> 09:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it would be a huge positive.
09:50 --> 09:51 [SPEAKER_00]: That's weird.
09:51 --> 09:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.
09:51 --> 09:53 [SPEAKER_00]: So he last pitched on the twenty-nine.
09:53 --> 09:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Then he's not projected this week to pitch.
09:56 --> 09:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, last pitched on the twenty-nine.
09:57 --> 09:59 [SPEAKER_00]: He would have pitched a couple days ago.
10:01 --> 10:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Unless he pitched today, but I feel like we would have seen about it.
10:05 --> 10:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, regardless, the Tigers are still loaded all over the place.
10:10 --> 10:13 [SPEAKER_01]: So they're going to have, did you find it?
10:13 --> 10:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I was going to say yes, the Tigers are obviously a loaded team and they're one of the best teams in baseball, but still like you face Paul, or sorry, you face Tarak Scooble in a game, it's probably a loss.
10:23 --> 10:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we did say it about schemes today.
10:26 --> 10:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Did they score runoff Paul schemes?
10:28 --> 10:29 [SPEAKER_01]: They did not.
10:29 --> 10:34 [SPEAKER_01]: No, and I don't think Terry Scoobles get pulled at seventy six pitches in the fifth inning.
10:34 --> 10:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
10:35 --> 10:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
10:35 --> 10:42 [SPEAKER_01]: If schemes wanted to today, he could probably could have polished off a complete game, shut out at a hundred and twenty five pitches, and then his team would have lost an extra innings.
10:45 --> 10:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, so scuba did pitch today.
10:46 --> 10:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, shockery went seven shot out with ten punchouts.
10:51 --> 10:52 [SPEAKER_00]: So the Mariners are going to get them.
10:53 --> 10:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Now we have it confirmed.
10:54 --> 11:02 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners are going to see Terri scuba in the series because you're going to play the raise for three and then get the Mariners for three.
11:02 --> 11:05 [SPEAKER_00]: So he will be slotted to start the second game of that series.
11:05 --> 11:08 [SPEAKER_00]: So that'll be on Saturday.
11:09 --> 11:09 [SPEAKER_00]: They'll see scuba.
11:10 --> 11:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so you better take advantage of the Yankees because there is one game at least you can chalk up as a loss in Detroit.
11:16 --> 11:28 [SPEAKER_01]: You can put yourself at this point for how this week has shaken out in much better playoff position with still a lot of way to go, but better more solid playoff position heading into the deadline.
11:28 --> 11:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Then I would say even say it was like a week ago because the gaps have closed based on how the Yankees and Razer played and how you've played.
11:36 --> 11:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Going fifteen and eight, since June eleven, I mean, that has put you put yourself on significantly more solid footing, going into the break and going towards the deadline, then someone would have thought a week and a half ago as they were doing that.
11:50 --> 11:51 [SPEAKER_01]: So that like that part's great.
11:52 --> 12:02 [SPEAKER_01]: The only unfortunate part since June eleven, when the murders were four games back of the Houston Astros, ripping off of fifteen and eight stretch, the Astros have still been three games better than them over that stretch.
12:03 --> 12:11 [SPEAKER_01]: So there has been no gap closed on the Houston Astros, in fact, it has grown even farther as the Astros walked into LA this weekend and smacked the Dodgers around.
12:12 --> 12:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't get it.
12:13 --> 12:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't understand how the Astros team is this good.
12:15 --> 12:17 [SPEAKER_01]: They should not be, but they are.
12:19 --> 12:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll keep saying it.
12:19 --> 12:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, you lose Tucker.
12:21 --> 12:21 [SPEAKER_00]: You lose Braggman.
12:21 --> 12:23 [SPEAKER_00]: You out two-way looks washed.
12:23 --> 12:25 [SPEAKER_00]: You lose Ronal Blanco to Tommy John.
12:25 --> 12:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Christian Javier has impeached all year.
12:27 --> 12:34 [SPEAKER_00]: You've got a sense, you've got a rookie that you're banking on to play a position he's never played in Cam Smith because you're making him play the outfield.
12:35 --> 12:37 [SPEAKER_00]: There's all these things that don't make any sense.
12:37 --> 12:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, Christian Walker hasn't been any good yet they are still dominating again.
12:44 --> 12:47 [SPEAKER_00]: They are, I mean, again, I know people use the term on Twitter.
12:48 --> 12:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I hate to say it, but it's true.
12:49 --> 12:50 [SPEAKER_00]: They are inevitable.
12:50 --> 12:52 [SPEAKER_00]: They are legitimately inevitable.
12:52 --> 12:53 [SPEAKER_00]: You thought this run was done.
12:54 --> 12:59 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners like built around the way they were structuring their team to when they thought the Astros would fall off.
13:00 --> 13:01 [SPEAKER_00]: They're not falling off.
13:02 --> 13:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I think at this point, as we sit here on July the sixth recording, we can basically kiss the AL West goodbye.
13:08 --> 13:09 [SPEAKER_00]: It's time to just look at the wild card.
13:11 --> 13:15 [SPEAKER_01]: but based on how the wild card shaking out, that doesn't seem like the worst thing in the world.
13:15 --> 13:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Look, looking at all these teams and how they're playing in this wild card race, it's a lot of mid.
13:25 --> 13:32 [SPEAKER_01]: It is a lot of mid, but only one other team with a winning record, not already in a playoff spot right now in the American League.
13:33 --> 13:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it's the Red Sox who are one game up, who traded their best player away.
13:38 --> 13:42 [SPEAKER_00]: The only thing here is, and we'll get to the Red Sox here in a minute or two.
13:42 --> 13:56 [SPEAKER_00]: But the only thing here is, I think we're about to get a sense after this week and certainly after the next two weeks when the Mariners also play the Astros in the Brewers, a sense of who are the Mariners compared to the rest of the team's fighting for wild card spots?
13:56 --> 14:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Are the Mariners a legitimately better team than the Red Sox, the Rangers, the Twins, the Royals, et cetera?
14:02 --> 14:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Are they?
14:03 --> 14:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Or did they just play an easy stretch of games and create a little bit of cushion for themselves?
14:08 --> 14:14 [SPEAKER_00]: And then once they start playing more competitive American League teams like they will here, that it'll look different.
14:14 --> 14:17 [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be more like a one game leader, a half a game leader.
14:17 --> 14:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Somebody catches them.
14:18 --> 14:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I think this week is going to be very, very telling.
14:21 --> 14:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
14:23 --> 14:24 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll just have to see.
14:24 --> 14:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Thankfully, those Astros games, they get at home out of the break.
14:29 --> 14:30 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a good thing.
14:30 --> 14:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the burrers will be interesting.
14:33 --> 14:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how I feel about the burrers this year.
14:35 --> 14:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess we'll find out.
14:36 --> 14:37 [SPEAKER_01]: They are a good team.
14:38 --> 14:38 [SPEAKER_01]: They are.
14:38 --> 14:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they are a good team.
14:40 --> 14:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Technically, if you look at the Mariners record, while they're also a good team, but then if you asked the two of us, would we say here and say the Mariners are objectively a good team?
14:50 --> 14:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying if the brewers come to town and it lines up where you face Freddie Perralton, Jacob Miserowski, you're going to be in trouble.
14:58 --> 15:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Because if you assume out of the break that they're going to a lot the rotation to pitch their two aces pretty shortly out of the break, then they would line up to pitch in that Mariners series, both Miserowski and Perralton.
15:12 --> 15:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Before we get to the Red Sox and one specific Red Sox, the Mariners had their all stars announced today as well.
15:19 --> 15:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you have any reaction in what you saw there?
15:22 --> 15:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I did.
15:23 --> 15:24 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a couple things to talk about.
15:24 --> 15:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I do want to say before even get to the All Stars thing.
15:27 --> 15:30 [SPEAKER_00]: It is obviously a very, very positive thing.
15:30 --> 15:31 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners swept this series.
15:31 --> 15:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, like, I know we're still, we're sitting here talking about both sides and the concerns and saying, look, we need to see what they do this week.
15:37 --> 15:38 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's all very true.
15:38 --> 15:40 [SPEAKER_00]: But look, they won.
15:40 --> 15:41 [SPEAKER_00]: They won the series.
15:41 --> 15:42 [SPEAKER_00]: They went five and two on the homestand.
15:42 --> 15:43 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a big deal.
15:43 --> 15:44 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what we asked them to do when they did it.
15:45 --> 15:47 [SPEAKER_00]: So credit to them, they took advantage of lesser teams.
15:47 --> 15:48 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what playoff teams are supposed to do.
15:49 --> 15:49 [SPEAKER_00]: So shout out.
15:51 --> 15:51 [SPEAKER_00]: All star-wise.
15:53 --> 15:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Look, I'm fired up for Brian Wu.
15:55 --> 15:57 [SPEAKER_00]: We've been campaigning for Brian Wu to make the All Star Game all year.
15:58 --> 16:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I could not be happier for him.
16:01 --> 16:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know how that was going to shake out because it was less about Brian Wu and just more about the idea that American League pitching has been so good this year.
16:09 --> 16:16 [SPEAKER_00]: There has been so many dominant American League starters that there was only going to be so many spots and that's what I worried about a little bit.
16:17 --> 16:20 [SPEAKER_00]: But to see Brian, we'll get in and get in on the first try.
16:20 --> 16:22 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not replacing anybody.
16:22 --> 16:24 [SPEAKER_00]: He's just an all star right off the bat.
16:24 --> 16:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Awesome, awesome, flat, out, awesome.
16:27 --> 16:29 [SPEAKER_00]: He deserves every single bit of it.
16:29 --> 16:36 [SPEAKER_00]: You go six plus innings for seventeen straight starts and put up a two, seven ERA and walk nobody, you're an all star.
16:36 --> 16:39 [SPEAKER_00]: And now he can firmly say he is an all star.
16:40 --> 16:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I am surprised it I thought he's going to be a replacement.
16:44 --> 16:50 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I thought that's what I think his numbers told me because it we posted about it on our Instagram if you just like look at his overall peripherals.
16:51 --> 16:53 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like right outside the top ten and
16:57 --> 17:05 [SPEAKER_01]: that for the starting pit for the handful of starting pictures get selected outside the top ten's usually not where you look, but I'm happy he made it.
17:05 --> 17:07 [SPEAKER_01]: He's a stud and he a hundred percent deserves it.
17:08 --> 17:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Now look at this mayor's rotation last three years, Lyle, and all the all star appearances in it.
17:13 --> 17:20 [SPEAKER_01]: You have Luis, you have Logan, you have George, and now you have Brian Wu all making an all star game, and guess what?
17:20 --> 17:24 [SPEAKER_01]: The guy who has pitched the best DRA in a single season out of all of them,
17:25 --> 17:27 [SPEAKER_01]: in a full season is the only one who hasn't made it.
17:28 --> 17:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Isn't that kind of bizarre?
17:31 --> 17:31 [SPEAKER_00]: It'd Bryce Miller.
17:31 --> 17:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
17:32 --> 17:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
17:32 --> 17:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Bryce.
17:33 --> 17:38 [SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, if you get healthy Bryce Miller next year, who's to say he won't make an all-star game?
17:38 --> 17:39 [SPEAKER_00]: He absolutely can.
17:40 --> 17:48 [SPEAKER_01]: The way he pitched last year, especially down the stretch, to be did that in the first half of a season, instead of a second half of a season, we would be talking about an all-star.
17:48 --> 17:49 [SPEAKER_01]: We'd be talking about a slam dunk all-star.
17:50 --> 17:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
17:50 --> 17:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
17:51 --> 17:52 [SPEAKER_01]: It's very crazy to think about.
17:52 --> 18:22 [SPEAKER_01]: So just some more perspective on the elite development that the Mariners have had with this rotation and just how good they are at developing pitching and finding talent and maximizing it to its best potential and the identification part it's it's so crucial and now that Brian was named in all star you can look at that rotation and be like man year to year you're always going to find something here and it's you know and it's great and a year where your ace has not thrown a quality starts in so many days
18:23 --> 18:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
18:24 --> 18:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Crazy.
18:26 --> 18:29 [SPEAKER_00]: We talked about Cal officially getting voted as a starter already, right?
18:29 --> 18:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we did that on Friday's show.
18:30 --> 18:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
18:30 --> 18:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Shocker.
18:31 --> 18:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Shocker.
18:31 --> 18:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Great.
18:33 --> 18:33 [SPEAKER_00]: You deserve it.
18:33 --> 18:35 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't stop said of all time.
18:36 --> 18:41 [SPEAKER_00]: We've been so much time talking about Cal that I don't know what left there is to say other than here's just another accolade.
18:41 --> 18:47 [SPEAKER_00]: He's going to build for himself along with the two homers he hit this weekend again, which was again crazy.
18:48 --> 18:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that first ball he hit on Friday.
18:49 --> 18:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought was so close to getting out of the ballpark.
18:53 --> 18:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was only only missed by three rows.
18:56 --> 18:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Crazy.
18:57 --> 18:58 [SPEAKER_01]: That ball was demolished.
18:59 --> 19:00 [SPEAKER_01]: demolished.
19:01 --> 19:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, what did Adam and Scott say to us?
19:03 --> 19:08 [SPEAKER_01]: They're walking through the concourse listening to the radio brought the pregame and the radio broadcast.
19:08 --> 19:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I think they were doing picks versus Rick and somebody picked.
19:12 --> 19:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Cal's gonna hit two home runs today and they were like, huh?
19:16 --> 19:16 [SPEAKER_01]: No, he's not.
19:17 --> 19:19 [SPEAKER_01]: And then Cal hit two home runs on Friday.
19:19 --> 19:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And they were like, well, we probably shouldn't know.
19:22 --> 19:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
19:24 --> 19:28 [SPEAKER_00]: So, okay, we talked about Cal, we've talked about Wu, Andre's Munoz.
19:28 --> 19:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, I don't really know how much there it's to say about him.
19:30 --> 19:32 [SPEAKER_00]: The guy's been arguably the best reliever in baseball this year.
19:33 --> 19:35 [SPEAKER_00]: He's having arguably his best season to date.
19:36 --> 19:38 [SPEAKER_00]: He's getting an absurd number of strikeouts and ground balls.
19:40 --> 19:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's an off-star for two months.
19:41 --> 19:42 [SPEAKER_00]: He didn't give up or run.
19:42 --> 19:43 [SPEAKER_00]: What do you want to say?
19:43 --> 19:47 [SPEAKER_01]: He's been he had the one week of blips otherwise.
19:47 --> 19:50 [SPEAKER_01]: It has been it's been pretty consistent.
19:50 --> 19:56 [SPEAKER_01]: You could have made a case for Gabe Spire as well as we've talked about very hard for non-relievers to get it.
19:56 --> 19:58 [SPEAKER_01]: But then I sit up there here on Sunday alone.
19:58 --> 20:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I watch Gabe Spire just dominate out of the bullpen and you look at some of the peripherals he had.
20:03 --> 20:08 [SPEAKER_01]: You'd say, all right, well, maybe there was a case there, but it's very hard as a non-closer.
20:09 --> 20:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think you said non-releaver the first time, but yeah, non-closers what I meant.
20:14 --> 20:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Very hard.
20:15 --> 20:23 [SPEAKER_00]: So look, if they gave a middle-releaver a spot every year, or a non-closer, a couple of spots that were allotted to them every year, yeah, games by or whatever, real case.
20:23 --> 20:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately, saves still do me a lot in all-star votes.
20:28 --> 20:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's three.
20:30 --> 20:31 [SPEAKER_00]: There is one more to get to.
20:31 --> 20:37 [SPEAKER_00]: How do we, how do we want to go about this one about Julio making his third all-star game?
20:38 --> 20:45 [SPEAKER_01]: If we talked about this a couple weeks ago, I think I sat here and I said that I thought who Leo should have been an all star.
20:46 --> 20:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Pretty sure I said that or I said that I wouldn't be surprised.
20:49 --> 20:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how surprised I am really at this moment.
20:53 --> 20:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I think Lao and I have approached this from different ways, which is totally fine.
20:57 --> 20:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought who Leo's
20:59 --> 21:04 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, his first couple months for his offense was solid and his defense was unbelievable.
21:05 --> 21:14 [SPEAKER_01]: And then his overall peripheral stats, I think the most important one that most people look at is war would be enough to get him, you know, into the all-star game.
21:14 --> 21:18 [SPEAKER_01]: And then these last couple weeks have happened where he has looked bad.
21:18 --> 21:35 [SPEAKER_01]: at the plate and his stats offensive stats of the season have plummeted he's now right about league average offensively for the season which is what we said probably shouldn't happen again where you get to the trade deadline all star break and he's at a hundred WRC plus well right now I believe he's at a one or one
21:36 --> 21:37 [SPEAKER_01]: which is not good.
21:37 --> 21:41 [SPEAKER_01]: And if you look at his case, stacked up against someone like, I don't know, George Springer.
21:41 --> 21:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I could totally see the case on why he, on why people would be pissed that he made the all-star team and George Springer did not.
21:51 --> 21:57 [SPEAKER_01]: If they did this voting though two weeks ago, yeah, people are all riled up about it, but then it's like, so what?
21:58 --> 22:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so there may be a June thirty of cutoff for this.
22:01 --> 22:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember exactly when players, fans, coaches, etc.
22:06 --> 22:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I have all of it like cut off the cut off date because if it is June thirty of when that first round of voting closes,
22:13 --> 22:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Then yeah, that's what they were voting on back then is back when Julio had roughly a one fifteen one seventeen WRC plus and if he still had that now there would be much more of a case and maybe that's what happened where for people saying well Randy should get in over Julio or you know for everybody out there talking about springer and Raphaella and Jake Myers or a few other guys that had cases if it's from two weeks ago and that's what the voting deviates from when the voting stopped
22:41 --> 22:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Then yeah, there's much more of a case for a back then now if the voting were to stop yesterday.
22:45 --> 22:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think people would
22:50 --> 22:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I think people would have even more of a case to say, or other guys more deserving.
22:56 --> 23:06 [SPEAKER_00]: But again, if there's nothing you can do about voting's cutoff at X period of time and since then, why has happened, then that's just kind of out of everybody's control.
23:06 --> 23:11 [SPEAKER_00]: People were voting for Julio to be in all star back when he had a one, fifteen WRC plus and was in a lead defender.
23:12 --> 23:13 [SPEAKER_00]: That's much more warranted.
23:14 --> 23:16 [SPEAKER_00]: So I get it, if that's when the voting was cut off.
23:17 --> 23:23 [SPEAKER_01]: And if people would come to be and say, OK, the All-Star game has the biggest stars in baseball.
23:23 --> 23:25 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why Julio ended up here.
23:25 --> 23:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And because more players know Julio Rodriguez than some of those other guys you mentioned,
23:31 --> 23:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, fine, like the players ultimately decided on this.
23:35 --> 23:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure what the players used as a qualification to put Julio in the All-Star game.
23:40 --> 23:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll tell you what.
23:41 --> 23:46 [SPEAKER_01]: If it was the fans voting, like fans in the most simplistic nature possible, right?
23:48 --> 23:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's say everyone's familiar with war.
23:50 --> 23:50 [SPEAKER_01]: You'd go to war.
23:51 --> 23:55 [SPEAKER_01]: You'd look at the rankings of American League outfielders and you'd say, yeah.
23:56 --> 24:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, like that's where most of Julio's value is, so we'll put him in.
24:01 --> 24:02 [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't think players really do that.
24:02 --> 24:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think most players look at war.
24:04 --> 24:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Like Carlos Correa is a unicorn when it comes to studying his war.
24:09 --> 24:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Most guys probably don't even bother looking at it because what benefit do you have to look at your own war, it'll just get in your head.
24:16 --> 24:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Right?
24:16 --> 24:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Does that make sense?
24:17 --> 24:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, what were the players looking at?
24:19 --> 24:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Is this just a name recognition thing then for the players?
24:22 --> 24:25 [SPEAKER_01]: They're like, they've seen him on TV in the past.
24:25 --> 24:26 [SPEAKER_01]: They see him in the All-Star game.
24:26 --> 24:28 [SPEAKER_01]: They remember him from the home run Derby performances.
24:29 --> 24:31 [SPEAKER_01]: If they don't know him, it'd be like, okay, yeah, he'd be kind of cool.
24:33 --> 24:35 [SPEAKER_00]: feels like more what it's about at this point.
24:36 --> 24:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Speaking of which, speaking of the derby, now that he's an all star, he should be in the derby because I can't think of anything better to help fix his swing than him to sit there in the batters box and start launching home runs.
24:48 --> 24:48 [SPEAKER_01]: He stole my thunder.
24:49 --> 24:51 [SPEAKER_00]: He stole my thunder before we started the show.
24:52 --> 24:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I said I was going to bring that up.
24:56 --> 24:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks.
24:57 --> 24:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry.
24:57 --> 25:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, let's everybody's going to act like they didn't just hear what came out of TJ's mouth.
25:02 --> 25:02 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
25:03 --> 25:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I have a big proclamation here.
25:04 --> 25:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Julio Rodriguez needs to do the home run Derby.
25:07 --> 25:08 [SPEAKER_00]: He is going to be in Atlanta already.
25:08 --> 25:09 [SPEAKER_00]: He's going to be in the all star game.
25:09 --> 25:16 [SPEAKER_00]: He needs to do the home run Derby because he needs to start elevating the baseball again and get back to pulling the ball in the air.
25:17 --> 25:20 [SPEAKER_00]: He is not only elite at the home run Derby, but
25:21 --> 25:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Why can't that help him get back on track?
25:23 --> 25:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Remember when he did it in twenty twenty two?
25:25 --> 25:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, what was his second half like?
25:26 --> 25:27 [SPEAKER_00]: He dominated.
25:27 --> 25:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Did it in twenty twenty three?
25:29 --> 25:30 [SPEAKER_00]: What was his second half like?
25:30 --> 25:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, he had the best five weeks of his career.
25:33 --> 25:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I would like to see Julio Rodriguez do the derby again.
25:36 --> 25:40 [SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, as we're sitting here recording, there's still only three confirmed contestants.
25:41 --> 25:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Cal, James Wood, Ronald Alcuniath.
25:43 --> 25:44 [SPEAKER_00]: There's still two more spots.
25:45 --> 25:48 [SPEAKER_00]: No, three more spots open in the American League and five total.
25:48 --> 25:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Julio should be the Derby.
25:50 --> 25:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And given how many home runs Julio has right now, if he agreed to do the Derby, who would he match up with?
25:57 --> 26:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I would honestly feel kind of bad because he would go off against Cal.
26:02 --> 26:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Which would honestly suck because I hate to say this, like this is supposed to be Cal's show, right?
26:09 --> 26:16 [SPEAKER_00]: And this is his time to shine and it's a, you know, it's a big deal he's doing the Derby and work fired up to see him do the Derby.
26:17 --> 26:18 [SPEAKER_00]: People is Julio in the first round.
26:19 --> 26:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I would put money on Julio to win.
26:22 --> 26:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.
26:23 --> 26:24 [SPEAKER_00]: This is Julio's game.
26:25 --> 26:28 [SPEAKER_00]: He is, I mean, again, who does what Julio has done in the Derby?
26:29 --> 26:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Nobody.
26:29 --> 26:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
26:31 --> 26:36 [SPEAKER_00]: So even if Cala great round and hit like twenty five bombs, if Julio hits thirty seven or something like that again.
26:36 --> 26:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, but do you remember what the new format?
26:39 --> 26:40 [SPEAKER_01]: It's in the first round.
26:41 --> 26:42 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not one V-one.
26:43 --> 26:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, they changed it again, didn't they?
26:45 --> 26:45 [SPEAKER_00]: How is it now?
26:45 --> 26:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
26:46 --> 26:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's the top four.
26:48 --> 26:49 [SPEAKER_00]: That's better.
26:49 --> 26:50 [SPEAKER_00]: That's way better.
26:50 --> 26:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
26:50 --> 26:56 [SPEAKER_01]: So like, they might get matched up in the bracket, but they're not facing each other one on one.
26:56 --> 26:59 [SPEAKER_01]: The second round they would, if they mean it.
26:59 --> 27:00 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll write that makes sense.
27:01 --> 27:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And also, as you know, like the totals can be a bit of a crap shoot, do you remember the home run derby winner last year, Lyle?
27:09 --> 27:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
27:11 --> 27:18 [SPEAKER_00]: We were sitting right there in Dallas inside of Globlight Field watching it in Teh Oscar Hernandez.
27:20 --> 27:22 [SPEAKER_00]: That was that was sad.
27:22 --> 27:27 [SPEAKER_00]: In the span of like thirty six hours, he ripped he mobile park to shreds and then went and won the home run dirty.
27:27 --> 27:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Because that was when he said, yeah, I hated that batter's eye.
27:32 --> 27:33 [SPEAKER_00]: it was it all started.
27:33 --> 27:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was.
27:33 --> 27:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
27:34 --> 27:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I remember that.
27:35 --> 27:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyways, I think it would be very fun if they did that.
27:37 --> 27:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it would be.
27:40 --> 27:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Here's how we can spin this as a good thing, right?
27:41 --> 27:44 [SPEAKER_01]: There are going to be some people who say who does not deserve to be there.
27:45 --> 27:49 [SPEAKER_01]: He shouldn't be competing with all these other guys who have deserved to be in the all-star game, et cetera, et cetera.
27:49 --> 27:50 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, great.
27:51 --> 28:01 [SPEAKER_01]: All Julio for the last couple of weeks is really stung at the play and that can really get to guys like once you get in a spiral it can it's really hard to you know get out of it
28:03 --> 28:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't you think like competing in a fun, derby would help?
28:08 --> 28:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Like your mindset's off of what you've been doing at the plate and all of a sudden you're just like going back to being a kid and you're competing again.
28:15 --> 28:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And just like get something else.
28:16 --> 28:21 [SPEAKER_01]: You're thinking about something else besides your swing against the Houston Astros on the Friday after the break.
28:22 --> 28:23 [SPEAKER_01]: No, you're not thinking about that at all.
28:23 --> 28:25 [SPEAKER_01]: You're thinking about something completely different, right?
28:26 --> 28:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that it would help a little bit.
28:28 --> 28:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, mentally, maybe this will be a nice distraction for him.
28:31 --> 28:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe being around all these guys will, you know, kind of be a way to, I don't want to say perk him up, but again, just like give him extra motivation.
28:40 --> 28:41 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, yeah, I'm around all the best players in the world.
28:42 --> 28:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to prove to everybody that I am that and I'm still that.
28:44 --> 28:47 [SPEAKER_00]: So between that, doing the Derby, maybe it'll help them.
28:48 --> 28:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I hope it does.
28:49 --> 28:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope so.
28:50 --> 28:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Now I will say,
28:53 --> 29:03 [SPEAKER_00]: In the few hours that the All Stars have been announced, Julio Rodriguez has been used as absolute bulletin board material for a bunch of other fan bases across the American League who are mad that their guys are not in the All Star game.
29:03 --> 29:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I get it for George Springer.
29:05 --> 29:07 [SPEAKER_01]: George Springer deserves to be an All Star.
29:07 --> 29:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't believe he didn't get selected.
29:09 --> 29:11 [SPEAKER_01]: But also, blame the players.
29:12 --> 29:13 [SPEAKER_01]: They voted on this.
29:13 --> 29:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I know.
29:14 --> 29:16 [SPEAKER_01]: The George Springer's peers did not vote him in.
29:16 --> 29:17 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not the fans.
29:18 --> 29:19 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not the media.
29:19 --> 29:20 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the freaking players.
29:21 --> 29:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think you need to tell our buddy Johnny June to that because he was, he was firing off some tweets regarding Julio and his all star nod this afternoon.
29:31 --> 29:35 [SPEAKER_01]: And also, Angel's fans, I don't want to hear about Joe Adele.
29:35 --> 29:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Joe Adele's having a very nice offensive season.
29:38 --> 29:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Julio's like doubling him up in war.
29:41 --> 29:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Despite the fact Julio cannot hit the broadside of a barn right now.
29:45 --> 29:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
29:46 --> 29:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
29:47 --> 29:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.
29:48 --> 29:50 [SPEAKER_01]: You got to you have to play defense too.
29:50 --> 29:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the best offensive player or have a nice combination.
29:54 --> 30:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we're more arguments than once you get past springer is the fans that are mad about Saddam Rafael and Jake Myers because they are more in the Julio boat and types of the
30:03 --> 30:06 [SPEAKER_00]: in terms of the type of player they've been this year, great defender.
30:06 --> 30:09 [SPEAKER_00]: And then offensively, that is the second part of their game.
30:10 --> 30:16 [SPEAKER_00]: But Myers right now, look, we're not batting average people on this podcast, but Myers is hitting over three hundred for people that like that sort of thing.
30:16 --> 30:22 [SPEAKER_00]: And Rafael, his numbers aren't that dissimilar for Julio's or WRC pluses are about the same right now.
30:23 --> 30:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Who would you take in defense, defensively?
30:26 --> 30:28 [SPEAKER_00]: All three of those guys are really good defenders.
30:29 --> 30:31 [SPEAKER_01]: So then it comes back to name value.
30:32 --> 30:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, it does.
30:34 --> 30:34 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
30:35 --> 30:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyways, I think it'll be fun to see who we'll be there.
30:38 --> 30:40 [SPEAKER_01]: What's the most deserving candidate in the outfield?
30:40 --> 30:40 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
30:41 --> 30:43 [SPEAKER_01]: probably not, but they selected him.
30:43 --> 30:44 [SPEAKER_01]: The players selected him and he's going to be there.
30:45 --> 30:47 [SPEAKER_01]: So now let's hope that he does the derby.
30:47 --> 30:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's hope it it helps him get ready and do play better in the second half because, you know, we still will talk have a Julio episode.
30:54 --> 30:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I think on Friday, we'll talk about Julio.
30:56 --> 31:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it's about that time because so he had a double off Paul skiing here on Sunday, which was nice to see.
31:01 --> 31:06 [SPEAKER_00]: But overall, again, it is still like he was over on Saturday.
31:06 --> 31:07 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of baseballs on the ground.
31:08 --> 31:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's probably a good time to do it heading into all star break and we can talk about like what has to change from in the second half so I think on Friday we're gonna dive into that as long as there's no groundbreaking news and the mariners don't do something like trade for Alex pregnant before then.
31:23 --> 31:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Speaking of trading for Alex pregnant.
31:26 --> 31:30 [SPEAKER_01]: When I saw Adam Jude right about this in the Seattle Times I was like oh
31:31 --> 31:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, and then we went to Adam that day at the ballpark and we said thank you.
31:34 --> 31:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for the thank you for the content Adam.
31:37 --> 31:45 [SPEAKER_01]: So Adam did a trade deadline preview ish article last week where he wrote about some options for the Mariners to target at the trade deadline.
31:46 --> 31:47 [SPEAKER_01]: He used throw in some names out there.
31:47 --> 31:55 [SPEAKER_01]: He clearly talked to some people within the Mariners front office about what they thought about these options were the weaknesses are on the roster and how they're going to address them.
31:56 --> 31:58 [SPEAKER_01]: And Alex Breggman was in there.
31:58 --> 32:05 [SPEAKER_01]: And the quote coming from the article says, that a Breggman trade for the mayor in the mariner sense seems like a long shot.
32:05 --> 32:10 [SPEAKER_01]: But if the Red Sox make him available, sources say the Mariners would be interested in.
32:10 --> 32:11 [SPEAKER_01]: How should we take that?
32:11 --> 32:12 [SPEAKER_01]: We should take that is.
32:13 --> 32:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think the Mariners know right now.
32:15 --> 32:20 [SPEAKER_01]: If they were to call it the Red Sox, whether or not Alex Breggman were to be publicly available or not.
32:21 --> 32:28 [SPEAKER_01]: But if the Red Sox walked into this trade deadline and said, yeah, okay, I think our fragments are going to opt out at the end of the season.
32:28 --> 32:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's better for us to get a return on them right now.
32:31 --> 32:32 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to make him available.
32:33 --> 32:36 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners would pick up the phone and make an offer for Alex pregnant to the Boston Red Sox.
32:37 --> 32:42 [SPEAKER_01]: They would be interested if potentially the best player on the market is available here at the deadline.
32:43 --> 32:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, man, Lyle, what I would I be interested in an Alex pregnant.
32:50 --> 32:54 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're not interested in an Alex Braggman, check yourself at the door.
32:54 --> 32:54 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what?
32:55 --> 32:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I love all our listeners and all our fans.
32:57 --> 33:02 [SPEAKER_00]: And like I always say, we met so many incredible ones, but I do have a statement for you.
33:03 --> 33:13 [SPEAKER_00]: If you are sitting there listening or watching this and your reaction to this idea is, and I quote, I don't want Alex Braggman because he was on the Astros and he cheated.
33:14 --> 33:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Congratulations.
33:15 --> 33:19 [SPEAKER_00]: You've just earned yourself a one day suspension from the Marine Lair podcast.
33:19 --> 33:30 [SPEAKER_00]: One day, it's short, but if you legitimately say you don't have interest in Alex Braggman for that reason, you have earned yourself a one day suspension from the Marine Lair podcast, because guess what?
33:31 --> 33:35 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're not interested in Alex Braggman, then you are not serious about winning.
33:35 --> 33:39 [SPEAKER_00]: This isn't even about the Mariners, because reports are the Mariners are interested in this.
33:40 --> 33:44 [SPEAKER_00]: This is about fans in this fan base that I've now had to argue with over the last few days.
33:44 --> 33:53 [SPEAKER_00]: on social media, a little bit on Brock and Salk, who were saying, I don't want Alex pregnant because he played for the Astros and was a cheater, then you don't want to win baseball games.
33:53 --> 33:55 [SPEAKER_00]: It's that simple.
33:56 --> 34:04 [SPEAKER_00]: You are fine having a third base crew run out there with sub, with below average offensive production, because that's what the Mariners, their base spot has been this year.
34:05 --> 34:05 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what you're saying.
34:05 --> 34:06 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't want it all start there.
34:09 --> 34:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And those will so a while ago, too.
34:11 --> 34:12 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not like it just happened.
34:13 --> 34:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're nearing the ten-year mark of this cheating scandal.
34:17 --> 34:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we are.
34:18 --> 34:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I know they were in the world series in years after that, but the scandals from twenty- seventeen.
34:24 --> 34:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And guys, like Alex, Alex pregnant is not a bad person.
34:29 --> 34:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Alex pregnant is not a bad person.
34:31 --> 34:32 [SPEAKER_00]: He broke baseball rules.
34:32 --> 34:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, he heard a trash can and get banged and hit some home runs and got some extra hits because of it.
34:37 --> 34:45 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not a bad person of anything, whatever he says about Alex Breggman is, the guy is so unbelievably driven to win that he's been great in every clubhouse, he's in.
34:46 --> 34:49 [SPEAKER_01]: And the Mariners love having that kind of player in there.
34:50 --> 34:52 [SPEAKER_01]: And we've seen what kind of impact a player like that makes.
34:53 --> 34:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Here's the other thing about it.
34:54 --> 34:57 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like if you were offered up Prime Barry Bonds, would you say no?
34:57 --> 34:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Because, oh, I don't like cheaters?
35:01 --> 35:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, TJ, we had forty, we had fifty eight percent of this fanbase say they don't want Ronald Lacunia.
35:08 --> 35:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Here's the thing, for all the reasons people said they didn't want Ronald Decunia, you wouldn't have to give up any of that for Alex pregnant.
35:16 --> 35:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Does he have to, has he torn both of his ACLs?
35:20 --> 35:21 [SPEAKER_01]: No, would you have to give up?
35:21 --> 35:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Lazaro Montez?
35:22 --> 35:24 [SPEAKER_01]: No, would you have to give up Matt Prash?
35:24 --> 35:25 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
35:26 --> 35:29 [SPEAKER_00]: You're forgetting the biggest one, George Kirby, George Kirby.
35:29 --> 35:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Wow, George Kirby wasn't the deal breaker.
35:32 --> 35:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was last month, man.
35:34 --> 35:37 [SPEAKER_00]: It's pretty funny.
35:37 --> 35:41 [SPEAKER_00]: So not even, not even cult Emerson, who was included in that deal, who's the top prospect.
35:42 --> 35:43 [SPEAKER_00]: It's Las Montes.
35:46 --> 35:47 [SPEAKER_00]: You would not have to go up any of that.
35:47 --> 35:48 [SPEAKER_01]: For Alex, Breggman.
35:48 --> 35:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like you know why.
35:50 --> 35:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Really, Alex Breggman has an expensive contract that he's going to opt out of after this year.
35:56 --> 35:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it's almost a certainty, right?
35:58 --> 36:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Here's how Alex Freigman's contract is structured for those who are curious.
36:02 --> 36:05 [SPEAKER_01]: This past off season, he signed a three year deal for a hundred and twenty million dollars.
36:06 --> 36:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Excuse me.
36:08 --> 36:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, great podcasting.
36:09 --> 36:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that was great.
36:10 --> 36:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you going to edit that out?
36:12 --> 36:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe or maybe not?
36:13 --> 36:15 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm bored.
36:17 --> 36:22 [SPEAKER_01]: So Alex Freigman's contract, salary wise, he makes twenty five million dollars a year.
36:23 --> 36:25 [SPEAKER_01]: That's how much goes up against the luxury tax.
36:26 --> 36:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Twenty million dollars per year of his contract is deferred.
36:30 --> 36:32 [SPEAKER_01]: And he has an opt-out.
36:33 --> 36:37 [SPEAKER_01]: So the way it's structured, it's essentially he has options this year and next year if he wants it.
36:37 --> 36:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
36:38 --> 36:41 [SPEAKER_01]: In this top season he has an option and the next top season he has an option as well.
36:42 --> 36:45 [SPEAKER_01]: The problem with the next two off seasons is that if he opts in,
36:47 --> 36:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, if he opts in this offseason and stays another year with the Red Sox to try and up his value even more, he will spit out the following offseason after the twenty twenty six season heading into the lockout.
36:59 --> 37:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Now that he doesn't want.
37:01 --> 37:11 [SPEAKER_01]: If this locked out, he can't sign a new contract unless he signs it before the CBA expires, which what owners going to give out a huge contract before the CBA ends probably none of them.
37:13 --> 37:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Then his next free agency option would be whenever they finish another season, which could be whenever they could miss the twenty seven season and it could be after twenty twenty eight.
37:25 --> 37:27 [SPEAKER_01]: And then there's new rules in place and there could be a salary cap in place.
37:28 --> 37:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Then why would he want to sign that contract?
37:30 --> 37:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Why would he want to wait until then when there's definitely less money available for him?
37:36 --> 37:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Then he would this off season.
37:38 --> 37:40 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's why assume no matter what it's going to be a rental.
37:41 --> 37:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'll say that definitively, it is going to be a rental.
37:45 --> 37:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Alex Braggman has a nine thirty eight OPS right now.
37:48 --> 37:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Scott Boris has had them opt out after this year.
37:50 --> 37:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Alex Braggman put up about a one seventeen OPS plus entering this free agency.
37:58 --> 38:02 [SPEAKER_00]: when he signed the deal with the Red Sox and he still got three years for a hundred and twenty million dollars.
38:03 --> 38:08 [SPEAKER_00]: With a nine thirty eight OPS and I know he's missed a few weeks with injury with the year he's had so far.
38:08 --> 38:09 [SPEAKER_00]: He's opting out.
38:09 --> 38:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Scott Boris is going to have him get the biggest possible contract he can get in twenty twenty six before the rules could get changed and before they enter the lockout.
38:17 --> 38:20 [SPEAKER_00]: If the Mariners trade for Alex Braggman, it is a rental.
38:20 --> 38:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I know he has years left on that contract, but it's going to be a rental.
38:23 --> 38:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And honestly, it's probably why I think the Mariners would be interested in getting involved here.
38:28 --> 38:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's not resigning in Seattle.
38:31 --> 38:37 [SPEAKER_01]: That we could probably stone cold guaranteed because there'd be many of the same reasons that the Mariners didn't sign him this past off season.
38:38 --> 38:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I think some of the discourse coming out about Alex Braggman in the off season was about his fit for the ballpark.
38:44 --> 38:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Here's what I would guess what was the big problem for Alex Breckman personally.
38:49 --> 39:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe he's not a perfect fit for the ballpark because he doesn't have light tower power and it's and someone like him could see a big power drop off that he's not seeing this year at Boston at team mobile park that could lower his value a little bit.
39:04 --> 39:11 [SPEAKER_01]: So he'd be like, yeah, for Boston, I'm willing to sign a deal that lets me hit the market after one year after a crazy offensive season.
39:11 --> 39:15 [SPEAKER_01]: For Seattle, I'll sign a six for two hundred million dollar contract.
39:16 --> 39:18 [SPEAKER_01]: And the Mariners should not give him six for two hundred million.
39:18 --> 39:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Even though they should, they wouldn't give him that contract.
39:22 --> 39:24 [SPEAKER_01]: But the Mariners don't have to convince him to sign anything.
39:25 --> 39:27 [SPEAKER_01]: He is no say whether or not he gets traded this deadline.
39:28 --> 39:28 [SPEAKER_01]: No say it all.
39:29 --> 39:32 [SPEAKER_01]: If the Mariners want to pick up eight million dollars, they're going to have to pay for them at the deadline.
39:33 --> 39:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Great.
39:34 --> 39:34 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what they'll owe him.
39:35 --> 39:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And they'll get him for two months.
39:36 --> 39:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And then he'll go into free H and C no sign some or else.
39:39 --> 39:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Great.
39:40 --> 39:41 [SPEAKER_01]: That's all we should be worried about right now.
39:42 --> 39:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Which is exactly why the Mariners are interested now and weren't interested in the winner.
39:46 --> 39:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Because in the winner you would have to have paid him a huge contract and try to deal with Scott Boris, which again you guys will continue to say it.
39:53 --> 39:58 [SPEAKER_00]: A Scott Boris player has not signed a free Asian contract in Seattle in twenty plus years.
39:58 --> 40:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Scott Boris and the Mariners do not have a good relationship from what we understand.
40:02 --> 40:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Like there is a riff there that has not been fixed in a long time.
40:06 --> 40:12 [SPEAKER_00]: So there are reasons, even if we all don't agree with them, and I know TJ and I don't, and I know there's plenty of you listening that don't.
40:13 --> 40:17 [SPEAKER_00]: There are reasons for why that didn't happen this off season.
40:17 --> 40:20 [SPEAKER_00]: In a trade, Scott Boris has no say.
40:21 --> 40:24 [SPEAKER_00]: There's no trade clause in Alex Bragman's contract, and it would be a rental.
40:25 --> 40:26 [SPEAKER_00]: It would be about eight million bucks like TJ said.
40:27 --> 40:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like there's every reason to do this and there's every reason the Mariners would be interested in this.
40:33 --> 40:39 [SPEAKER_00]: So when the Mariners say they're interested now, that's why it's not the same thing as signing them in the off season.
40:40 --> 40:41 [SPEAKER_01]: And he is getting back healthy.
40:41 --> 40:44 [SPEAKER_01]: He had a quad injury that he suffered at the end of May.
40:44 --> 40:47 [SPEAKER_01]: He's almost back, which is great.
40:47 --> 40:52 [SPEAKER_01]: The other good thing about Alex pregnant, he is legitimately having the best year since, twenty nineteen.
40:52 --> 40:56 [SPEAKER_01]: His twenty nineteen season, I think will be the pillar of his career, but
40:57 --> 41:04 [SPEAKER_01]: This twenty twenty five season from an exit velocity perspective from a power perspective has all been very, very, very good.
41:04 --> 41:08 [SPEAKER_01]: He might not walk as much as he used to, but it's still a pretty solid amount.
41:08 --> 41:09 [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't strike out.
41:09 --> 41:12 [SPEAKER_01]: He likes to, his power is pulp power.
41:12 --> 41:16 [SPEAKER_01]: He's a pretty complete offense player and he's solid over there third base as well.
41:16 --> 41:20 [SPEAKER_01]: It is really the complete package after his last few years and Houston were good.
41:20 --> 41:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Not quite this good though.
41:22 --> 41:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Not the value he's currently bringing.
41:25 --> 41:25 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
41:26 --> 41:27 [SPEAKER_00]: He strikes out a little bit more than he used to.
41:27 --> 41:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Alex Regman used to run out some twelve, fourteen, fifteen percent strikeout rates.
41:32 --> 41:34 [SPEAKER_00]: It's still under twenty percent.
41:34 --> 41:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I had some help.
41:36 --> 41:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, okay, post Malone.
41:39 --> 41:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I had some help.
41:41 --> 41:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway.
41:42 --> 41:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I think he is still about as good a fit as the Mariners could cook up here.
41:48 --> 41:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't really care if he's not a perfect fit for the park.
41:51 --> 41:53 [SPEAKER_00]: You know he's going to be valuable.
41:53 --> 41:55 [SPEAKER_00]: You know he's going to play a good defense.
41:55 --> 42:05 [SPEAKER_00]: You know he's going to hit and you know that he is, again, even if he doesn't have a nine hundred OPS in Seattle, if he's a, if he was a one twenty WRC plus hitter in Seattle,
42:06 --> 42:08 [SPEAKER_00]: It's still incredibly valuable.
42:08 --> 42:15 [SPEAKER_00]: If for two months, he was a one fifteen WRC plus hitter, but plays that defense and brings everything else that he brings about him to the clubhouse.
42:16 --> 42:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's worth it.
42:17 --> 42:18 [SPEAKER_00]: It's absolutely worth it.
42:19 --> 42:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Because again, he's not going to walk.
42:21 --> 42:22 [SPEAKER_00]: He's going to walk.
42:22 --> 42:23 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not going to strike out.
42:23 --> 42:24 [SPEAKER_00]: He's going to play a good defense.
42:24 --> 42:25 [SPEAKER_00]: He will hit for some power.
42:25 --> 42:26 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, he hits doubles.
42:28 --> 42:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's about the best guy that could possibly be available.
42:31 --> 42:37 [SPEAKER_01]: If he runs out in eight hundred OPS, that would be a two hundred OPS bump from what you're currently getting at third.
42:38 --> 42:41 [SPEAKER_01]: That can be the difference between making and missing the playoffs.
42:41 --> 42:43 [SPEAKER_01]: And also you can think about it this way.
42:43 --> 42:46 [SPEAKER_01]: The team right behind the Mariners and the standings is the Boston Red Sox.
42:47 --> 42:51 [SPEAKER_01]: If they're trading away their best player, does that not just open up the playoff field for you, that much more?
42:51 --> 42:53 [SPEAKER_01]: It gives you exactly what you want.
42:53 --> 42:55 [SPEAKER_01]: You want to make the playoffs, right?
42:55 --> 42:56 [SPEAKER_01]: That's where you're trading for Alex Braggman.
42:57 --> 42:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And you're doing it against a direct competitor as well.
43:00 --> 43:07 [SPEAKER_01]: It could be, it's not only addition by addition to your roster, it's addition by subtraction to one of your biggest competitors right now.
43:08 --> 43:11 [SPEAKER_01]: But on top of that, that could also be a reason why this trade might not happen.
43:12 --> 43:18 [SPEAKER_01]: In Jeff Passons article that he put out last week, Breckman was his number one player on that list, but it was only at ten percent.
43:19 --> 43:22 [SPEAKER_00]: which is where I start to have my questions about this.
43:23 --> 43:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Not only the idea of the Red Sox being the closest team to the Mariners in the Wildcard standings and if they'd really trade, breakmen away, not just in general, but to somebody that's fighting with them that closely for the last playoff spot.
43:36 --> 43:36 [SPEAKER_00]: That's number one.
43:37 --> 43:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And number two, you know what my biggest question mark with this is and why I think it would get held up and potentially not happen.
43:45 --> 43:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Can the Red Sox possibly afford the PR nightmare of trading away their best player?
43:52 --> 43:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Because you had Alex Braggman on this roster.
43:55 --> 43:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Only the trade Alex Braggman's six to eight weeks later.
43:59 --> 44:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I know you're not supposed to make moves to please or piss off a fan base.
44:04 --> 44:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if they can afford that level of a PR nightmare at this point.
44:10 --> 44:15 [SPEAKER_00]: They wouldn't have to be so far out of the wildcard race on August first that there's no chance of them making the playoffs.
44:16 --> 44:19 [SPEAKER_00]: If they were six games out of it or more, sure, then you could entertain it.
44:19 --> 44:23 [SPEAKER_00]: They're not right now that feels like a long fall to have in the next three to four weeks.
44:24 --> 44:32 [SPEAKER_00]: And again, I think if you're the red socks, you're honestly going to have to let Breggman just play out that deal, walk in free agency, and hope you can resign them again.
44:33 --> 44:36 [SPEAKER_01]: So you're saying only if they're in contention, essentially.
44:37 --> 44:39 [SPEAKER_00]: The Red Talks, I think, would have to be so far out of it.
44:40 --> 44:42 [SPEAKER_00]: How the Bragman trade would happen.
44:42 --> 44:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Because again, why did Raphael Devers get traded?
44:45 --> 44:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Because Alex Bragman was on the roster.
44:47 --> 44:49 [SPEAKER_00]: That is why Raphael Devers is not there anymore.
44:49 --> 44:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Bragman was a third.
44:50 --> 44:51 [SPEAKER_00]: They had to move.
44:51 --> 44:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Devers to other spots.
44:52 --> 44:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Devers got disgruntled.
44:54 --> 44:55 [SPEAKER_00]: He started their problems in the clubhouse.
44:55 --> 44:57 [SPEAKER_00]: He started lashing out about it and speaking publicly.
44:58 --> 45:02 [SPEAKER_00]: And then the relationship got so strained that the Red Talks decided they had to trade them away.
45:02 --> 45:05 [SPEAKER_00]: If Alex Bragman was never a Red Talk, Devers would still be embossed in.
45:06 --> 45:08 [SPEAKER_00]: So can the red socks, but yeah, he would.
45:08 --> 45:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Red divers would still be embossed.
45:10 --> 45:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Probably.
45:10 --> 45:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, probably.
45:12 --> 45:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Because his defense would still suck, but he'd be at third base.
45:16 --> 45:36 [SPEAKER_01]: What I think about it in the transactional nature, I know some of these general managers operate in, if you trade it away your best player, in order to establish a more consistent clubhouse, you know, aura around your team and give a better vision, better print on what you want.
45:37 --> 45:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, if you have a rental player sitting on your roster, no matter what if it made that made you make your decision to trade away your best player,
45:45 --> 45:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Would it not just be more consistent of them to be like, okay, well, we're not good enough.
45:51 --> 45:52 [SPEAKER_01]: We should just trade him anyways.
45:54 --> 46:02 [SPEAKER_00]: But then if they trade them away, why would they not trade them to the Dodgers?
46:02 --> 46:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Why would they not trade them to the Phillies?
46:04 --> 46:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Why would they not trade them one of those spots rather than trade them to the team that's closest to them in contention?
46:12 --> 46:12 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a good question.
46:13 --> 46:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not in charge of making the trade.
46:15 --> 46:16 [SPEAKER_01]: We're just trying to pitch for the Mariners.
46:16 --> 46:19 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners once he becomes available, just have to pitch prospects.
46:20 --> 46:23 [SPEAKER_01]: We can't think about this from a red socks perspective as much.
46:24 --> 46:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, we can't decode.
46:26 --> 46:30 [SPEAKER_00]: We can, because the Red Sox may not want to trade them in the American League, especially to a team they'd be contending with.
46:31 --> 46:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Even if they trade Braggman away, I don't think the Red Sox would come out and say our seasons over, because if they traded them away, they would probably save their goal as not to play off this year.
46:43 --> 46:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, probably.
46:43 --> 46:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, though, I got to move with tell you everything you need to know.
46:46 --> 46:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if they trade pregnant away, again, it means they fall in further out of the wild card contention.
46:51 --> 46:57 [SPEAKER_00]: If they are within three games, like they are right now and they're two and a half back, I don't think Alex Breggman's getting traded.
46:59 --> 47:01 [SPEAKER_00]: That makes, yeah, I mean, that makes sense.
47:02 --> 47:04 [SPEAKER_01]: You're not going to trade Alex Breggman and still think you're going to miss the playoffs.
47:06 --> 47:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Like in some, you mean make the playoffs.
47:08 --> 47:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Make the play.
47:09 --> 47:13 [SPEAKER_01]: You're not making, you don't think you're gonna make the playoffs if you're trading out of Sprite in a way.
47:13 --> 47:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
47:14 --> 47:17 [SPEAKER_00]: So interesting.
47:17 --> 47:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Look, I'm all for it.
47:19 --> 47:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I think there's gonna be a lot that has to happen between now and then, including the Red Sox losing a bunch of games.
47:24 --> 47:25 [SPEAKER_00]: But you never know.
47:26 --> 47:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad the Mariners, someone has admitted it, that they'd be interested now, experiment.
47:32 --> 47:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad.
47:33 --> 47:34 [SPEAKER_01]: That put a smile in my face.
47:34 --> 47:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, they're interested in trading for them for two months.
47:38 --> 47:41 [SPEAKER_00]: They're not interested in having them for a long time.
47:41 --> 47:47 [SPEAKER_00]: It is, it is progress, which means, which means the, the front office is interested in now, experiment.
47:47 --> 47:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, good.
47:49 --> 47:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah.
47:49 --> 47:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Some others may not be.
47:52 --> 48:00 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right, and some of the members of the fan base who were to sport and buy tickets might also not be interesting now, it's pregnant for some reason.
48:01 --> 48:02 [SPEAKER_00]: But, again, it's fine.
48:03 --> 48:18 [SPEAKER_00]: You cannot tell me if you're at a playoff game, Alex Braggman hits some eighth inning home run to take a Mariners lead from three, two to six, two, and on a three-run nuke that sends them into the ALCS after let's say beating the Astros in the divisional series.
48:19 --> 48:25 [SPEAKER_00]: You cannot tell me you're going to be sitting there in that ballpark and booing and pissing and moaning because Alex Regman hit a home run.
48:26 --> 48:28 [SPEAKER_00]: No, you're going to be screaming like the rest of the ballpark.
48:28 --> 48:32 [SPEAKER_00]: You are not going to sit there and be pissed off that Alex Regman is winning you games.
48:32 --> 48:33 [SPEAKER_00]: You're not.
48:33 --> 48:36 [SPEAKER_01]: If they traded for him is first at that at home, do you think you get booed?
48:37 --> 48:40 [SPEAKER_01]: What sad is I can't definitively say no.
48:40 --> 48:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I think he would get booed.
48:42 --> 48:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Which is sad.
48:45 --> 48:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, come on guys, this is what we've been begging for.
48:49 --> 48:53 [SPEAKER_00]: If that happened again, again, one day suspension from the Marine Lair pod.
48:54 --> 48:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
48:56 --> 48:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
48:57 --> 48:59 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a good conversation about Alex Breggman.
49:00 --> 49:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Man, I hope it happens.
49:01 --> 49:11 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to have to keep a close eye on the Red Sox these next few weeks because that will, that will tell us a lot in the market that where there's not very many sellers, the Red Sox definitely have some pieces that
49:11 --> 49:14 [SPEAKER_01]: people would think would be very good for the Mariners.
49:14 --> 49:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And they hold the card of potentially the best player available, which the Mariners could use at third base definitely this season.
49:22 --> 49:27 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, Lou, let's close out this episode and get to our number three MLB draft spotlight.
49:27 --> 49:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Eli Willitz and Oklahoma High School Shortstop.
49:31 --> 49:33 [SPEAKER_00]: And we're down to the final three of these.
49:34 --> 49:35 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the week of the draft, officially.
49:36 --> 49:40 [SPEAKER_00]: And now we're getting into some of the best players in this class.
49:40 --> 49:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, we've already been doing that, but now you're really getting into the cream of the crop.
49:44 --> 49:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Eli Willitz, switch hitter, six one, hundred seventy five pounder, young high schooler, seventeen years old.
49:53 --> 49:56 [SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, his dad, Reggie Willitz, was a big leader.
49:57 --> 49:59 [SPEAKER_00]: So he's got family ties that played in Big League baseball.
50:00 --> 50:07 [SPEAKER_00]: The thing that jumps out to me the most about Eli Willets is there's not one tool of his that jumps off the page.
50:07 --> 50:13 [SPEAKER_00]: There is not one overarching thing about Eli Willets game that says this is what a team's gonna be banking on.
50:14 --> 50:20 [SPEAKER_00]: The reason people like Eli Willets is because he's so steady and solid all across the board.
50:20 --> 50:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Switch hitter, sprays the ball to both sides.
50:23 --> 50:26 [SPEAKER_00]: They think he has the ability to play short and or center.
50:27 --> 50:30 [SPEAKER_00]: So that kind of tells you everything you need to know about this guy.
50:30 --> 50:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Very versatile, great athlete, and a bunch of potential with especially how Yarnie is.
50:36 --> 50:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Whenever you have a mold to put someone as a plus defender at either short or center field, he switch hits, he can hit for power from both sides, he plugs the gaps from both sides.
50:49 --> 50:53 [SPEAKER_01]: If you just think about that like the sense it's like alright so where is the weakness?
50:53 --> 51:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Right the only real weakness you can say is that right now as someone who's not even eighteen years old yet doesn't have the raw power that some of these other guys let's say an Ethan holiday has which you know is fine but then you look alright
51:07 --> 51:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Plus hit tool hits from both sides of the plate will always have a platoon advantage can play the two most or two the three most premium positions on a baseball diamond great you can be a plus defender at those positions great he can base run he's a plus runner great like there's a lot of tools or there's
51:22 --> 51:25 [SPEAKER_01]: So many ways that he can bring value to your team.
51:25 --> 51:28 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're picking him, you know he's going to go on the minor.
51:28 --> 51:28 [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to hit.
51:29 --> 51:30 [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to run and he's going to defend.
51:31 --> 51:36 [SPEAKER_01]: So if he's slumping in one area, he's going to be bringing value from a different area, which is really great.
51:36 --> 51:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think which is why he's ranked this high.
51:40 --> 51:44 [SPEAKER_01]: in this class, and a team like the Nationals, by the way, fire their general manager.
51:44 --> 51:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Today, a week away from the number one pit, crazy.
51:47 --> 51:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, so the Nationals have sitting there at number one and looking, where do we want the best combination of value to come from?
51:53 --> 51:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I can see why Eli Will, it's my beat that guy, because it's from all over the place.
51:59 --> 52:05 [SPEAKER_00]: They say his left side right now is his better side of the plate than the right side, but point being, they view him as a very good switchheader from both sides.
52:06 --> 52:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I would say the power is that weakness.
52:08 --> 52:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Look, I know he's got room to grow and things can change with players over time, but evaluators seem to believe right now he's just never going to be much of a power guy.
52:18 --> 52:22 [SPEAKER_00]: So with a number one picker for the Mariners potentially a number three pick,
52:23 --> 52:25 [SPEAKER_00]: That is something you have to factor in.
52:25 --> 52:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you want to draft a guy at number three overall who may hit twelve home runs a year?
52:31 --> 52:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's something very fair to consider, especially when you and I keep talking about the idea of taking a swing.
52:38 --> 52:39 [SPEAKER_01]: But what if he's hitting fifty doubles?
52:41 --> 52:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's a different story.
52:42 --> 52:50 [SPEAKER_00]: If he's actually going to hit fifty doubles and play good defense and run the bases and he's going to be at three and a half to four when player every year, then yes, that's a really good player.
52:50 --> 52:52 [SPEAKER_00]: But if he's going to hit
52:53 --> 52:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Thirty doubles and twelve homers.
52:56 --> 52:57 [SPEAKER_00]: What is his offensive ceiling?
52:58 --> 52:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't mean to make a joke right now.
52:59 --> 53:04 [SPEAKER_01]: You're sounding a little bit like Jack C. See, you enough homeruns?
53:05 --> 53:07 [SPEAKER_00]: You're gonna take a guy at the number three pick.
53:08 --> 53:10 [SPEAKER_00]: You gotta have some power potential, I think.
53:12 --> 53:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Not if he's great at everything else.
53:16 --> 53:22 [SPEAKER_00]: How many guys are usually top three picks with a ceiling that says not much power?
53:23 --> 53:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, clearly if they have the tools that Eli will attack, they would be a top three pick otherwise the prospect rankings will not have him rated this high.
53:33 --> 53:36 [SPEAKER_00]: The consensus seems to be he may never hit for power.
53:37 --> 53:44 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's fine, but they said also he's going to be good at almost everything else.
53:44 --> 53:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's pretty valuable.
53:48 --> 53:54 [SPEAKER_00]: For example, I don't think Jack's in holiday will ever have ridiculous power, but he is still supposed to have power.
53:54 --> 53:58 [SPEAKER_00]: They think holiday can be a twenty five home run guy a year, right?
53:58 --> 54:01 [SPEAKER_00]: It can will it's be that?
54:01 --> 54:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Can he grow into that?
54:02 --> 54:09 [SPEAKER_01]: He's only a, he's only a tick below average power right now at this moment on a scouting scale.
54:10 --> 54:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and again, they didn't think Colt Emerson was gonna have crazy power and he's proven to have more power as he's grown, but
54:16 --> 54:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I think you've got to be pretty sure about that if you're going to take well it's just look again.
54:20 --> 54:28 [SPEAKER_00]: This guy's floor is a three wind player every year and that is very valuable on a baseball team because you don't just have three wind players growing on trees.
54:30 --> 54:39 [SPEAKER_00]: But if you want him to be one of the faces of your team, which is what you're suggesting when you make a pick this high, usually that does get associated with having some power.
54:39 --> 54:44 [SPEAKER_00]: The best middle infillers in baseball, those guys have power, body, gunner, etc.
54:45 --> 54:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Power hitting middle infillers and center filters for that matter too, usually the stars have power.
54:51 --> 54:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Will it's as a twelve-home run guy a year?
54:53 --> 54:54 [SPEAKER_00]: There is something to consider there.
54:54 --> 54:56 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not saying it'd be a bad pick.
54:56 --> 54:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying that at all.
54:57 --> 55:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm saying this is a guy that's floor would be, again, a great athlete who does a bunch of things really well and hits for average.
55:04 --> 55:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Not a lot of power though.
55:05 --> 55:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
55:05 --> 55:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's up for the Mariners to decide.
55:08 --> 55:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I do feel like, well, Will it's by the way, Jude wrote another article this week on the eight players.
55:15 --> 55:17 [SPEAKER_01]: He feels like the Mariners are targeting after talking with them.
55:17 --> 55:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Will it's his on there?
55:19 --> 55:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
55:21 --> 55:23 [SPEAKER_00]: The guys that are on that list is everybody who you'd expect.
55:23 --> 55:26 [SPEAKER_00]: So, there are two guys we have not previewed yet.
55:27 --> 55:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, should we just say their name, but we can say them.
55:29 --> 55:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I was gonna say, I don't know if it's gonna be much of a surprise to people.
55:32 --> 55:37 [SPEAKER_00]: There's two guys that we have not targeted yet, or that we have not talked about yet, that are on Jude's list.
55:37 --> 55:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Kate Anderson, Ethan Holiday.
55:40 --> 55:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Eli Willitz is on the list, like you talked about.
55:42 --> 55:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Seth Hernandez is on the list.
55:45 --> 55:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Liam Doyle and Jamie Arnold are on the list, the other two lefties.
55:48 --> 55:52 [SPEAKER_00]: And then there's also Ethan Holiday seven.
55:53 --> 55:55 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know if you wrote the eighth name down there.
55:55 --> 55:57 [SPEAKER_00]: It was either Jojo Parker or Billy Carlson.
55:57 --> 55:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was Jojo Parker.
55:58 --> 56:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't believe it was Billy Carlson.
56:00 --> 56:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
56:01 --> 56:06 [SPEAKER_00]: So point being, the eight guys, the Mariners appear to be considering or all the guys you would expect them to know.
56:07 --> 56:08 [SPEAKER_01]: You said Ethan Holiday twice.
56:08 --> 56:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Iva Arcette is the other one.
56:10 --> 56:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you're right.
56:11 --> 56:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Iva's the other.
56:11 --> 56:12 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, it's it's
56:15 --> 56:17 [SPEAKER_00]: No, well, it's still seven, then, right?
56:17 --> 56:20 [SPEAKER_00]: So our kept the one called Jojo Parker is the eight.
56:20 --> 56:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, with Jojo's the eighth.
56:21 --> 56:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, yeah.
56:22 --> 56:24 [SPEAKER_00]: So again, I was the one college bat.
56:24 --> 56:28 [SPEAKER_00]: You've got the three college lefties in Cade, Doyle, and Arnold.
56:28 --> 56:36 [SPEAKER_00]: You've got the high school arm in Seth Hernandez, and then you've got the three high school bats in Ethan Halliday, Eli Willitz, and Jojo Parker.
56:36 --> 56:36 [SPEAKER_00]: That's eight.
56:37 --> 56:39 [SPEAKER_00]: So that is, that is everybody you'd expect.
56:39 --> 56:46 [SPEAKER_00]: So look, I mean, if the Mariners take any one of those eight guys, we've sat on here and talked about all of them are exciting and interesting in their own way.
56:46 --> 56:49 [SPEAKER_00]: And how they've make that pick, come Sunday.
56:49 --> 56:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're gonna wait and see, and we're getting, I keep saying it every time we do one of these draft profiles, but we are really close.
56:55 --> 56:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm excited.
56:56 --> 56:57 [SPEAKER_00]: And we're going to be in Atlanta in a week.
56:58 --> 56:58 [SPEAKER_01]: How about that?
56:59 --> 56:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, last on a week.
57:00 --> 57:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I know last week.
57:01 --> 57:03 [SPEAKER_01]: It's coming up really fast.
57:03 --> 57:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
57:03 --> 57:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't believe it.
57:04 --> 57:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I was looking at the calendar today.
57:06 --> 57:07 [SPEAKER_01]: It is coming up quickly.
57:08 --> 57:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
57:08 --> 57:14 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm it's going to take a minute to get out when we get back to the weather because it is for everyone listening who's up here in the Northwest.
57:14 --> 57:17 [SPEAKER_01]: It has been very nice summer weather.
57:18 --> 57:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Not hot at all.
57:19 --> 57:22 [SPEAKER_01]: It is going to probably kick my ass in Atlanta.
57:23 --> 57:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Same.
57:24 --> 57:25 [SPEAKER_00]: But that's just all star week every year.
57:25 --> 57:27 [SPEAKER_00]: It's usually an location worth pretty hot.
57:27 --> 57:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, the came back up here would be fine.
57:30 --> 57:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's true.
57:31 --> 57:33 [SPEAKER_00]: But that's probably not for another thirty years.
57:34 --> 57:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
57:35 --> 57:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, well, well, the thing we'll, we'll, we'll worry about that when it gets there.
57:38 --> 57:40 [SPEAKER_01]: But looking forward to it.
57:40 --> 57:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Two more, two more spotlights left.
57:43 --> 57:47 [SPEAKER_01]: We have Arm Layton coming on on Wednesday to preview the rest of the draft.
57:48 --> 57:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Arms great.
57:48 --> 57:51 [SPEAKER_01]: It's got a lot of really good insight for us.
57:51 --> 58:01 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll talk about Julio on Friday and we'll wrap some things up for the first half for the most part before we talk about Julio where we hadn't all started weekend.
58:01 --> 58:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think we're going to do a little bit of a first half wrap episode for next Wednesday.
58:05 --> 58:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, like when we're out at all, star week, something for people to listen to on Wednesday.
58:09 --> 58:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
58:10 --> 58:11 [SPEAKER_00]: And we'll do that.
58:11 --> 58:17 [SPEAKER_01]: But we'll have some stuff to talk about at the Yankee series and a lot of the first half wrap will be about Julio for on Friday.
58:17 --> 58:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
58:18 --> 58:21 [SPEAKER_01]: So we'll get our Julio first half thoughts out on Friday.
58:21 --> 58:25 [SPEAKER_01]: And we can talk about everyone else for Wednesday, which will be be recorded in Atlanta.
58:26 --> 58:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
58:26 --> 58:26 [SPEAKER_01]: That'll be fun.
58:27 --> 58:28 [SPEAKER_00]: the following Wednesday, but yeah, it's exciting.
58:29 --> 58:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Also, we're going to be a blast.
58:30 --> 58:35 [SPEAKER_00]: And like I said, when they make that pick, I'm sure TJ and I will come out on social and we'll do a quick reaction to it.
58:35 --> 58:39 [SPEAKER_00]: And then we'll have a podcast for a week from Monday about the pick they may get exciting.
58:39 --> 58:40 [SPEAKER_00]: It's all around exciting.
58:40 --> 58:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm looking forward to seeing what the Mariners do with this pick.
58:42 --> 58:44 [SPEAKER_00]: We've been waiting six, seven months now.
58:44 --> 58:45 [SPEAKER_00]: We're about to finally find out.
58:45 --> 58:45 [SPEAKER_00]: So
58:46 --> 58:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's see it.
58:47 --> 58:51 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, I think that's just about wraps up this edition of the Marine Layer Podcast.
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