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00:00 --> 00:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to episode number two, sixty nine of the Marine Lair podcast.
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01:39 --> 01:48 [SPEAKER_01]: And we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Layer podcast part of the just baseball podcast network recording on Thursday evening July, seventeen.
01:48 --> 01:51 [SPEAKER_01]: We are back from all star week in Atlanta.
01:51 --> 01:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And I got to say fabulous experience.
01:54 --> 01:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to shout out the battery.
01:56 --> 01:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Great venue on a shout out through his park.
01:59 --> 02:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Fantastic place to watch a baseball game.
02:02 --> 02:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to shout out the summer weather in the south.
02:05 --> 02:05 [SPEAKER_01]: It sucks.
02:07 --> 02:12 [SPEAKER_02]: It's nice that it's nice out, but man, we were exhausted by the end of it.
02:12 --> 02:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Which I guess is just all star-week in general to be honest with you because in all star-week in general.
02:17 --> 02:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Look, it's arguably my favorite week of the year.
02:20 --> 02:22 [SPEAKER_02]: That spring training couple other weeks.
02:22 --> 02:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Those are some of my favorite weeks of the year.
02:24 --> 02:31 [SPEAKER_02]: They're insanely fun, but the theme throughout all of it is you're insanely busy and you're dead tired by the end of it.
02:31 --> 02:33 [SPEAKER_02]: And that was very much the case after all Star Week.
02:33 --> 02:37 [SPEAKER_02]: If you want full transparency here, my voice still isn't all the way back.
02:37 --> 02:39 [SPEAKER_02]: As you can hear me as I'm talking through this.
02:39 --> 02:41 [SPEAKER_02]: So my voice isn't all the way back.
02:41 --> 02:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not caught up on sleep.
02:43 --> 02:45 [SPEAKER_02]: So we're power and through.
02:45 --> 02:46 [SPEAKER_02]: We're trying to power our best through it.
02:46 --> 02:57 [SPEAKER_02]: But that is just all Star Week in a nutshell because it is ten to twelve hours of being out in the sun and talking with people and interviewing people and trying to get a lot of stuff done.
02:57 --> 02:58 [SPEAKER_02]: So as fun as it is,
02:59 --> 03:01 [SPEAKER_02]: It definitely, it definitely takes a lot out of you.
03:02 --> 03:06 [SPEAKER_01]: What was your favorite part about the experience that, from directly this weekend?
03:08 --> 03:11 [SPEAKER_01]: It's cliche, but can I just say cow winning the Derby?
03:11 --> 03:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
03:12 --> 03:13 [SPEAKER_01]: That was set.
03:13 --> 03:13 [SPEAKER_01]: One was pretty fun.
03:13 --> 03:15 [SPEAKER_01]: And Channel to MLB, they rigged it for them.
03:16 --> 03:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yes.
03:17 --> 03:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, we live in a day and age where Major League Baseball can measure the exact millimeter distance on a home run.
03:23 --> 03:27 [SPEAKER_02]: But they still let fat dudes who are half blind call balls and strikes off the eye test behind the plate.
03:29 --> 03:33 [SPEAKER_01]: What was the, what was the final decibel point that they had on the screen?
03:33 --> 03:36 [SPEAKER_01]: What were they're like, twelve decimal points in their measurements?
03:36 --> 03:40 [SPEAKER_02]: There were, but don't make me try to cite the decimals by exact.
03:40 --> 03:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
03:41 --> 03:45 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't need to cite the exact decimals, but like, is that like a trillionth of a foot?
03:47 --> 03:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Feels like it.
03:50 --> 03:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Feels like about that.
03:52 --> 03:57 [SPEAKER_01]: So shout out to Major League Baseball for making our weekend a lot better by doing that.
03:57 --> 04:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know where the extra inch comes from is it from like an extra spin on the baseball?
04:02 --> 04:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it from a little gust of wind?
04:04 --> 04:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how exactly you come to that conclusion.
04:07 --> 04:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it bounced funny.
04:09 --> 04:11 [SPEAKER_01]: That would be nice if it worked out that way.
04:12 --> 04:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Major League Baseball allow.
04:13 --> 04:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I think also tried to give Kyle a little bit of, I'm gonna sound like a piece of shit for saying this.
04:22 --> 04:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Almost tried to groove the all-star game for him, too.
04:24 --> 04:25 [SPEAKER_01]: And what do I mean by that?
04:26 --> 04:27 [SPEAKER_01]: What do I mean by that?
04:27 --> 04:30 [SPEAKER_01]: So we're sitting and watching the all-star game.
04:30 --> 04:31 [SPEAKER_01]: We're watching on TV.
04:32 --> 04:34 [SPEAKER_01]: And I realize who's pitching in the second inning.
04:35 --> 04:36 [SPEAKER_01]: It's Clayton Kershaw.
04:36 --> 04:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Clayton by the numbers has had a really solid year.
04:40 --> 04:45 [SPEAKER_01]: The arguably good, in fact, but his stuff is not quite what it used to be, what it used to be.
04:45 --> 04:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, of course, in the American League lineup is hitting fourth.
04:49 --> 04:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And the first three batters go down in order against Paul schemes in the first inning, which makes me think, oh, Cal is going to get the face Clayton Kursha on his first career all started going about that.
04:59 --> 04:59 [SPEAKER_01]: How cool.
05:00 --> 05:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And Clayton Kursha comes out and throws him an eighty nine mile an hour fastball right down the middle.
05:06 --> 05:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And his first at that.
05:08 --> 05:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I thought that both that he swung at was gone.
05:12 --> 05:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was.
05:13 --> 05:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I thought it was gone, but two things.
05:15 --> 05:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Number one.
05:18 --> 05:20 [SPEAKER_02]: you can say Clayton Kershaw is having a good year all you want.
05:20 --> 05:21 [SPEAKER_02]: He's barely pitched.
05:22 --> 05:24 [SPEAKER_02]: I know everybody got mad about the Jacob Miserowski all star nod.
05:24 --> 05:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Kershaw's barely thrown many innings.
05:26 --> 05:28 [SPEAKER_02]: So let's call it what it is.
05:28 --> 05:30 [SPEAKER_02]: His all star nod was a Mickey Mouse all star nod.
05:31 --> 05:43 [SPEAKER_01]: It was which is why it I thought that not only did Major League Baseball rig the the home run derby forum, they rigged it so he would win the the all star game MVP as well.
05:43 --> 05:44 [SPEAKER_01]: It was going to be him, Vladier.
05:44 --> 05:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I forget who's hitting after Vladier.
05:46 --> 05:49 [SPEAKER_01]: But it was going to be one of those three because they got to face Kursha.
05:49 --> 05:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you're not saying it's Reg, but the general population is saying it was Reg that weekend.
05:55 --> 05:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Or are you saying it's Reg?
05:57 --> 06:00 [SPEAKER_01]: The little Mariners finally get something rigged for them.
06:00 --> 06:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
06:01 --> 06:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank goodness.
06:02 --> 06:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I champion that.
06:03 --> 06:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Normally I'd be against Regging, but not in this case.
06:06 --> 06:10 [SPEAKER_02]: little old mariners, just like dabba would say little o Clemson.
06:11 --> 06:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's the last time the mariners said anything rigged for them.
06:15 --> 06:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Think about this weekend.
06:16 --> 06:19 [SPEAKER_01]: You get Kate Cade somehow falls to number three.
06:19 --> 06:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Cow wins the Derby.
06:21 --> 06:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Cal gets an eighty nine mile an hour fastball right down the middle from Clayton, Karshall.
06:25 --> 06:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Like if everything is executed perfectly, Cal hits that one out of the stadium and we're three for three.
06:32 --> 06:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, sorry.
06:32 --> 06:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I forgot to mention the sweep of the Tigers, but we already talked about that on Wednesday.
06:37 --> 06:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, TJ.
06:38 --> 06:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I got a spin zone.
06:40 --> 06:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I've got a spin zone.
06:41 --> 06:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
06:42 --> 06:49 [SPEAKER_02]: There's a reason cows fly ball line drive didn't leave the yard off Clayton Kershaw because who caught it?
06:50 --> 06:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Don't tell me that ain't a foreshadowing.
06:53 --> 06:54 [SPEAKER_01]: So cow was being nice.
06:56 --> 06:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Cow is playing the long game.
06:58 --> 06:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, of course you was playing the long game.
07:00 --> 07:05 [SPEAKER_02]: And by the way, him and Kyle Tucker, same agency, both happen to be rep by Excel.
07:06 --> 07:18 [SPEAKER_02]: So just a couple of Excel teammates, lended a hand to one another, and Kyle gave Kyle Tucker a front row seat to his all-star weekend and his home run Derby and says, hey, K, talk.
07:19 --> 07:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Look at what you're missing, buddy.
07:21 --> 07:23 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't want to play in stupid Chicago anymore than one year.
07:24 --> 07:27 [SPEAKER_02]: When you can play next to me and hit in front of me and Seattle for the rest of your career.
07:28 --> 07:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you want to give yourself a little pat on the back to actually we can both do this, but I'll let you go first.
07:33 --> 07:36 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to assume this is about the tweet.
07:36 --> 07:40 [SPEAKER_02]: So yes, of course, when I see who catches cows line drive in the all-star game, I go, well,
07:41 --> 07:42 [SPEAKER_02]: That ain't no coincidence.
07:43 --> 07:51 [SPEAKER_02]: That ain't no coincidence who's taking Cals fly ball and taking a hit away from him because you're gonna see those two spending a lot of time together.
07:51 --> 07:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Come next spring down in Fioria.
07:54 --> 07:55 [SPEAKER_02]: And not because Kyle Tucker's with the cubs.
07:56 --> 07:58 [SPEAKER_02]: No, he will be at the Pioria Sports Complex.
07:58 --> 07:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Not with the pod rays, with the Mariners.
08:00 --> 08:05 [SPEAKER_02]: So I decided to tweet out as I realized who catches that line drive off a Cals bat in the All Star game.
08:06 --> 08:11 [SPEAKER_02]: I tweet out and I quote, catch this line drive off my bat if you're my future teammate in six months.
08:12 --> 08:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Business is usual, right?
08:13 --> 08:18 [SPEAKER_02]: We're doing our Kyle Tucker campaign and making our sales pitch and making it known that he's gonna be rep in the TL next year.
08:19 --> 08:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, all of a sudden we look twenty four hours later and that tweet has a million views.
08:27 --> 08:36 [SPEAKER_02]: A million views on Twitter and guess what people for anybody outside of the Mariners circle that didn't already know and is seeing tweets like that for the first time?
08:37 --> 08:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, now you know.
08:39 --> 08:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Now you know.
08:42 --> 08:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Calthark is a mariner.
08:43 --> 08:46 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, welcome to the Marine Lair podcast new listeners.
08:47 --> 08:48 [SPEAKER_02]: This is what we do.
08:49 --> 08:53 [SPEAKER_02]: What are the odds either Cal or Calthark are actually saw that tweet million views?
08:56 --> 08:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Can we do it by association like someone else showed it to them?
09:00 --> 09:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Do these players are all online?
09:04 --> 09:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Like do we think cows on Twitter though?
09:07 --> 09:08 [SPEAKER_02]: All these guys are on Twitter.
09:08 --> 09:09 [SPEAKER_02]: They have burners.
09:10 --> 09:12 [SPEAKER_02]: You think these guys don't pay attention to what's being said.
09:12 --> 09:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Dude, I'm pretty sure most of the Mariners front office is on Twitter too.
09:16 --> 09:22 [SPEAKER_02]: We were not going to get confirmation of that, but I'm pretty sure all these people want to see what the narratives are around them.
09:23 --> 09:24 [SPEAKER_02]: You can't tell me.
09:24 --> 09:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll see there's a ten percent chance.
09:29 --> 09:30 [SPEAKER_02]: I like those odds.
09:30 --> 09:31 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what?
09:32 --> 09:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe Kyle Tucker wasn't even thinking about it in his own mind until he saw the tweet and he said, you know what, play with Cal Row and be kind of sick play with that rotation or be kind of sick.
09:41 --> 09:42 [SPEAKER_02]: I've now been persuaded.
09:44 --> 09:45 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a record.
09:45 --> 09:50 [SPEAKER_01]: How does it feel to have the record for most views on our count on any post?
09:51 --> 09:57 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's not the most views combined if you combine all our social platforms, but on one singular platform.
09:57 --> 09:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's the most.
09:58 --> 10:04 [SPEAKER_02]: And you know what, if it's gonna be anybody, I could not be more thrilled that it was a Kyle Tucker post.
10:04 --> 10:09 [SPEAKER_02]: I could not think of a better post to reach the eyes of a million people than Kyle Tucker being a mayor.
10:11 --> 10:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll give myself a shorter pat on the back because I predicted cow winning the home run Derby, but he has the most home runs in baseball, so bye.
10:18 --> 10:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Not the hottest take in the world, but I did call my shot on Sunday when we recorded Wednesdays episode.
10:22 --> 10:24 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was right.
10:24 --> 10:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Good job, teach.
10:25 --> 10:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Good job.
10:26 --> 10:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
10:28 --> 10:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Climb it up.
10:31 --> 10:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you got it.
10:31 --> 10:32 [SPEAKER_01]: It's all right.
10:33 --> 10:35 [SPEAKER_01]: So I need just needed them to rig it for me.
10:35 --> 10:37 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was perfect.
10:38 --> 10:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Any other observations down at Atlanta and what I'm talking about getting out of that weather allow like you said I can actually see this is how bad my memory is getting already it's twenty seven.
10:52 --> 10:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't define nice weather in Atlanta.
10:55 --> 10:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know whoever listening is listening to this that might be living in the south right now and rooting for the Mariners.
10:59 --> 11:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Please explain to me in the comments.
11:02 --> 11:11 [SPEAKER_01]: how you're able to for three months in a row or longer walk outside for like ten minutes and then essentially need to shower when she walk back inside.
11:11 --> 11:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
11:12 --> 11:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how you do that because I walk get back here to Seattle on Wednesday with you, Lyle.
11:17 --> 11:18 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the same temperature.
11:19 --> 11:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe a little bit cooler.
11:21 --> 11:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't feel that need.
11:23 --> 11:23 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
11:24 --> 11:26 [SPEAKER_02]: No, not at all because it's not as muggy.
11:27 --> 11:28 [SPEAKER_02]: But we also spend
11:29 --> 11:33 [SPEAKER_02]: four years in Arizona, and we get there in August, and it was a hundred and ten plus.
11:35 --> 11:37 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's not like you've never been in hot weather.
11:37 --> 11:43 [SPEAKER_01]: No, not as long in that hot weather, not in a while at least.
11:44 --> 11:45 [SPEAKER_01]: But that's really my only beef.
11:46 --> 11:52 [SPEAKER_01]: All that and Atlanta brave security around the ballpark, which is some of the most insane stuff I've ever seen in my life.
11:54 --> 11:54 [SPEAKER_01]: That was a joke.
11:55 --> 11:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Just a peek behind the curtain to not like sit here and complain too much.
12:00 --> 12:08 [SPEAKER_01]: There is a positive and negative, I would say, to building an entirely new ballpark and ballpark village all under one ownership group.
12:09 --> 12:10 [SPEAKER_01]: the positive.
12:10 --> 12:22 [SPEAKER_01]: You can design everything exactly the way you want down to the block size down to the width down to exactly what you want to have in there all these certain things.
12:22 --> 12:26 [SPEAKER_01]: You get the plot of land out in Cobb County away from downtown.
12:26 --> 12:28 [SPEAKER_01]: You have all the space to build.
12:28 --> 12:29 [SPEAKER_01]: They build up the battery.
12:29 --> 12:29 [SPEAKER_01]: It's great.
12:30 --> 12:31 [SPEAKER_01]: You have all these restaurant options in there.
12:32 --> 12:34 [SPEAKER_01]: It's open container because it's all one property.
12:34 --> 12:37 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you want to buy a drink and walk around, you can do that.
12:38 --> 12:45 [SPEAKER_01]: on that property because it's not public space and it's not public intoxication if you're walking around and drinking like that.
12:46 --> 12:55 [SPEAKER_01]: The negative for people like Laona who are content creators, you can make whatever rules you want on that private property.
12:56 --> 13:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And the braves for some reason, I don't understand why didn't want us shooting interviews on the sidewalk, like that with the craziest thing ever.
13:07 --> 13:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Like with bands like us just doing baseball trivia with people that was most of what we were doing down in all star week is doing a lot of bullpen banner content and doing baseball trivia with fans there's nothing controversial about it but they were like oh yeah you guys can't be you guys can't be filming on on battery property really there's people all around filming
13:28 --> 13:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, taking videos of their food.
13:30 --> 13:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I was scrolling on my TikTok feed when I was down in Atlanta and I'm seeing, oh, come with me to like the all star village.
13:37 --> 13:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Come with me into the pro shop.
13:38 --> 13:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, where's security with these people?
13:42 --> 13:43 [SPEAKER_01]: They're actually showing things.
13:43 --> 13:47 [SPEAKER_01]: We're like, we're showing people on the street trying to guess like,
13:48 --> 13:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Home run leaders from seven years ago.
13:50 --> 13:51 [SPEAKER_02]: It's crazy.
13:52 --> 13:53 [SPEAKER_02]: That was crazy.
13:53 --> 13:54 [SPEAKER_02]: I've never seen anything like that.
13:54 --> 13:58 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to spend too much time on it because I don't want to bore people, but that wasn't saying.
13:58 --> 14:01 [SPEAKER_02]: I've never seen security like that.
14:01 --> 14:04 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, you can't shoot interviews talking about baseball trophy.
14:04 --> 14:13 [SPEAKER_02]: You think, you think, by the way, they were telling people to not be using their cameras to film, you think people were talking about the political state of affairs.
14:13 --> 14:15 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, no, we're talking about baseball trivia.
14:16 --> 14:17 [SPEAKER_01]: that was weird.
14:17 --> 14:25 [SPEAKER_01]: So whoever's going to true as park for a series, keep that in mind if you have an idea to do that.
14:26 --> 14:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like our friends at just baseball were filming a video at the future's game regarding chinook seed, then they tied in some baseball stuff with it.
14:34 --> 14:34 [SPEAKER_02]: And it was the same thing.
14:34 --> 14:36 [SPEAKER_02]: They got told somebody walked up to him.
14:36 --> 14:37 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, what are you guys doing filming?
14:37 --> 14:40 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, are you talking about?
14:40 --> 14:42 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, it's crazy.
14:42 --> 14:43 [SPEAKER_02]: That is crazy.
14:43 --> 14:44 [SPEAKER_02]: I've never seen anything like that.
14:44 --> 14:45 [SPEAKER_02]: And apparently from word we got,
14:46 --> 14:52 [SPEAKER_02]: from people that have been to a bunch of different stadium districts and ball parks, they've only ever seen that in Atlanta and nowhere else.
14:54 --> 14:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Very interesting.
14:55 --> 14:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And then on top of that, they made the draft close to the public too for the most part.
14:59 --> 14:59 [SPEAKER_01]: That was weird.
15:00 --> 15:03 [SPEAKER_01]: And we heard about that from our friend Joe Doyle who's about to come up here on this podcast.
15:04 --> 15:04 [SPEAKER_02]: They are.
15:04 --> 15:06 [SPEAKER_02]: And before we get to that, let's do a couple of things.
15:06 --> 15:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Number one,
15:08 --> 15:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Another reminder that as you're listening to this, our next live show is tonight, Friday night, if you're listening here on Friday.
15:15 --> 15:21 [SPEAKER_02]: There's after the game over at the Hall on Oxeno right after Mariners Astros and it's gonna be pretty casual, you guys.
15:22 --> 15:27 [SPEAKER_02]: It's gonna be a little different than our usual format where we do a true performative show in front of everybody.
15:27 --> 15:29 [SPEAKER_02]: We're just gonna be sitting, hanging out with you guys.
15:29 --> 15:32 [SPEAKER_02]: We're gonna be set up outside, by the way, it's gonna be really nice out.
15:32 --> 15:37 [SPEAKER_02]: We're gonna be set up right on Oxeno and just talk and ball answering your questions.
15:38 --> 15:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Listen to whatever takes you guys have you guys have ideas for the trade deadline.
15:42 --> 15:47 [SPEAKER_02]: We're literally just gonna be sitting hanging out the bar talking to you guys and giving out a bunch of Corona stuff as well.
15:47 --> 15:52 [SPEAKER_02]: So if you want to show up and if you want to take part, we'd love to have you.
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16:44 --> 16:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Whenever you get a chance to listen to Joe talk about the Mariners draft and talk about the draft in general, you should perk up and pay attention.
16:52 --> 16:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Joe's got some really good insight onto some of the strategy that went into this draft for the Mariners, who some of the more underrated picks are.
16:59 --> 17:03 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a player he mentions in here that kind of caught Lao and I by surprise when he was
17:04 --> 17:10 [SPEAKER_01]: explaining why he was so high on this player and why he was kind of shocked not as many people were talking about him.
17:11 --> 17:22 [SPEAKER_01]: That's going to be something you need to pay attention to as this interview goes along some good insight into Kate Anderson and what the manager should expect with him timeline wise where he ranks in the farm system and so much more there's some underrated other underrated players in here.
17:23 --> 17:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Definitely pay attention and listen to what Joe has to say in this because he he knows his stuff.
17:29 --> 17:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's great.
17:30 --> 17:32 [SPEAKER_02]: There's a reason we love to have him on right after the draft.
17:32 --> 17:37 [SPEAKER_02]: And when there's a reason we love to talk, and I'll be draft with him because he's so knowledgeable.
17:37 --> 17:38 [SPEAKER_02]: He covers it as well as anybody.
17:39 --> 17:42 [SPEAKER_02]: And for all I thought we already knew about this draft class.
17:43 --> 17:48 [SPEAKER_02]: And we learned a ton more talking to Joe specifically about one player that he's extremely high on.
17:48 --> 17:50 [SPEAKER_02]: So I think you guys are really going to enjoy this one.
17:50 --> 17:53 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think you guys are going to take a lot away from it.
17:53 --> 17:54 [SPEAKER_02]: So hopefully you enjoy the interview.
17:55 --> 17:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, keep you guys any longer.
17:57 --> 17:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's get you to the interview with Joe Doyle.
18:02 --> 18:08 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, we got our friend Joe Doyle on with us the host of the overslot podcast for current guest friend of the show.
18:09 --> 18:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Joe thanks for taking some time to join us today.
18:11 --> 18:15 [SPEAKER_01]: It was good seeing you out there in Atlanta over some grades on the setup that we had.
18:15 --> 18:17 [SPEAKER_01]: We were comparing notes last year.
18:17 --> 18:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd be curious to compare how this year matches up with it.
18:21 --> 18:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, are you talking about the draft or are you talking about your guys as podcast set up?
18:26 --> 18:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, the draft.
18:27 --> 18:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
18:28 --> 18:30 [SPEAKER_01]: People will be looking through a podcast at up all the time.
18:30 --> 18:30 [SPEAKER_00]: The draft.
18:30 --> 18:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
18:31 --> 18:31 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
18:31 --> 18:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought, um, I thought Texas was more unique.
18:35 --> 18:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, in that it was literally inside of a rodeo, but in Texas, there was no air conditioning.
18:41 --> 18:43 [SPEAKER_00]: It was really hot in that room.
18:43 --> 18:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately, at the Roxy, it was beautiful, it was a ballroom, awesome venue, but they had the air conditioning turned so high up because they thought it was going to be like a rock concert.
18:54 --> 19:05 [SPEAKER_00]: It was probably sixty degrees in that venue, so everyone's hands were frozen, typing was really hard, but a lot more beautiful, a lot more put together this time, but the vibes probably Texas.
19:06 --> 19:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I never got a response when I sent you the text message when you took a picture of inside the room.
19:11 --> 19:15 [SPEAKER_01]: When you say ball room, I kind of joked you, looked a little bit like a high school dance.
19:17 --> 19:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, it is kind of strange to do an MLB draft and have like shandleers all over the place.
19:23 --> 19:34 [SPEAKER_00]: It is definitely not a baseball vibe, but I mean, like the colors and the lighting and there was a, there was a wall of baseball bats that were getting inscribed every time a pick was made.
19:34 --> 19:35 [SPEAKER_00]: That was pretty sick.
19:35 --> 19:41 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, it was, it's definitely the duality between Texas and Atlanta was was pretty stark.
19:44 --> 19:44 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
19:44 --> 19:47 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought Atlanta's a vibe for an all star week was really good.
19:47 --> 19:50 [SPEAKER_02]: It's certainly better than Texas because there was actually things around the ballpark.
19:50 --> 19:51 [SPEAKER_02]: The venue was good.
19:51 --> 19:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Like there's a whole baseball village.
19:53 --> 19:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Did you like that part of it?
19:55 --> 20:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought the battery was the coolest around the park community area of any park that I've ever been to.
20:02 --> 20:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Fenway is really sick because Fenway is like it feels old and there's it's pubby and you know, there's spots to eat and you can just feel the history around Fenway.
20:13 --> 20:22 [SPEAKER_00]: But in terms of like the buzz and things to do and places to eat and places to go and to see, not the battery was sick.
20:22 --> 20:26 [SPEAKER_00]: So I give Atlanta a ten out of ten for what they've built around Truist.
20:27 --> 20:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, let's get into some of the draft stuff here, and obviously to start with the big fish and Kate Anderson.
20:33 --> 20:36 [SPEAKER_02]: We were talking plenty before the draft.
20:36 --> 20:40 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't get the sense that Kate Anderson was going to fall the three.
20:40 --> 20:48 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know exactly where you stood on it when we were talking that afternoon, but on a scale of one to ten, what was your surprise level that he was there?
20:49 --> 20:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I wasn't absolutely stunned that he was there.
20:53 --> 20:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the thing that was stunning was the angels took Bremner.
20:57 --> 21:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Everything that I had heard and that I was led to believe was that Kate Anderson's floor was probably going to be too.
21:05 --> 21:12 [SPEAKER_00]: There was a chance that they could have gone, you know, Eli Willitz, if the nationals would have done something a little bit unique, not named Eli Willitz.
21:12 --> 21:16 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think Bremner going to was the big surprise.
21:16 --> 21:21 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I probably put it at like a fifteen, twenty percent chance that Anderson was going to be there at three.
21:22 --> 21:25 [SPEAKER_00]: And, and the will it's thing to the nationals didn't surprise me at all.
21:25 --> 21:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I had been hearing that in the days leading up to the draft, but Tyler Bremner going to, you know, I told you guys when we were hanging out before the draft.
21:31 --> 21:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, I think Bremner is going to be the picket three.
21:33 --> 21:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I really do think Bremner is the buzzy name right now.
21:38 --> 21:42 [SPEAKER_00]: For him to go to was probably the most stunning part of the entire evening.
21:42 --> 21:45 [SPEAKER_00]: So, um, yeah, Kate Anderson being in Seattle.
21:46 --> 21:47 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a perfect fit.
21:47 --> 21:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Tyler Bremner going to the angels.
21:50 --> 21:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Surprising.
21:53 --> 21:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Are they really going to pay him slot like full slot value?
21:56 --> 22:07 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if the actual numbers have come out yet, but Sam Blum of the Athletic asked people in the angels for an office after the draft saying, hey, Bremner is going for fairly underslot, right?
22:07 --> 22:09 [SPEAKER_02]: And they went, well, not necessarily.
22:10 --> 22:13 [SPEAKER_02]: So is he actually going to get like somewhat of a full slot deal?
22:13 --> 22:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's going to be similar to the Kda Anderson type thing.
22:16 --> 22:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's probably going to be seven or eight hundred thousand dollars off.
22:20 --> 22:48 [SPEAKER_00]: the thing about Bremner is it's it's like if the angels wanted Bremner the whole time and they knew Seattle was right behind them and they also wanted Bremner they were gonna have to pony up a bonus that was at or slightly higher than what Seattle was willing to offer at three and you know Seattle could have negotiated that thing pretty high as a counter as a counter to what the angels were offering so no I don't think it's gonna be full slot if if he ends up getting full slot that would be
22:49 --> 23:08 [SPEAKER_00]: a choice um he is a very very good pitcher and I think he's very much worth you know nine point six million bucks but if he gets anything more than slightly above the slot at number three I would be really stunned so why was Kate Anderson number one on the mariners board what made him stick out to them
23:10 --> 23:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Pretty much the fact that he is everything that they have already conquered, in major league baseball.
23:16 --> 23:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Like they have already figured this out.
23:19 --> 23:20 [SPEAKER_00]: He's a strike thrower.
23:20 --> 23:21 [SPEAKER_00]: He's got feel for spin.
23:22 --> 23:23 [SPEAKER_00]: He's got four pitches.
23:23 --> 23:25 [SPEAKER_00]: He can pitch backwards.
23:25 --> 23:28 [SPEAKER_00]: His fore seam is from an over the top slot.
23:28 --> 23:29 [SPEAKER_00]: It hops through the zone.
23:31 --> 23:33 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's lean, right?
23:33 --> 23:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Like you look at Kate Anderson and you're like, okay, this isn't a finished product.
23:36 --> 23:39 [SPEAKER_00]: What is this going to look like with eight to twelve pounds?
23:40 --> 23:42 [SPEAKER_00]: We've already got the pitch mix that we like to develop.
23:42 --> 23:44 [SPEAKER_00]: We can tinker with that just a little bit.
23:45 --> 23:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I just think they're so confident with what they did with George Kirby.
23:48 --> 23:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I think George Kirby is the perfect analogy here.
23:50 --> 23:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Like Kirby was very, very lean.
23:53 --> 23:57 [SPEAKER_00]: He was kind of soft tossing when he was drafted out of Elon nut.
23:57 --> 24:05 [SPEAKER_00]: not soft tossing, but he was ninety-one to ninety-four, and they turned him into a guy that can live, you know, ninety-five to ninety-seven.
24:05 --> 24:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think Kate Anderson has the frame to get there, but I do think Kate Anderson could be the guy that lives ninety-three to ninety-six, and occasionally grabs a ninety-eight.
24:13 --> 24:21 [SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, I guess to answer your question, like everything that Kate Anderson already is is what they've mastered from a pitching development perspective.
24:22 --> 24:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think there's another player in this draft that they're more confident they can get the most out of.
24:27 --> 24:27 [SPEAKER_01]: What is it?
24:27 --> 24:35 [SPEAKER_01]: They already said someone like him because I feel like everyone looks at Kate if they were going to pick a college picture there at number three.
24:36 --> 24:39 [SPEAKER_01]: They were going to go out and they were going to get someone that could get into the big leagues.
24:40 --> 24:43 [SPEAKER_01]: In my estimation any year and a half is that fair for Kate.
24:44 --> 24:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't think there's a whole lot that needs to be done with Kate, like I think you need to build him up physically.
24:49 --> 24:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I think you need to get him stronger.
24:51 --> 25:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I think you need to distance him, of course, from that Tommy John surgery, from from three years ago, but in terms of like teaching him how to spin the baseball, teaching him how to command the change up, teaching him how to, you know, get value out of the fastball, like all of those things are are
25:05 --> 25:07 [SPEAKER_00]: kind of already complete.
25:07 --> 25:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, I think they are gonna have to teach Cade to be a little bit more dominant with the fastball.
25:13 --> 25:16 [SPEAKER_00]: He pitched backwards a lot in college baseball.
25:16 --> 25:19 [SPEAKER_00]: He liked to strike guys out with the fastball.
25:20 --> 25:23 [SPEAKER_00]: He liked to get ahead of guys with a back door slider.
25:23 --> 25:27 [SPEAKER_00]: He liked to throw changeups to right handed hitters early in counts.
25:27 --> 25:33 [SPEAKER_00]: These are all nice things to do, but I think you need to get him a little bit more conventional in how he's attacking hitters.
25:34 --> 25:38 [SPEAKER_00]: bully with the fastball, get more velocity and things like that.
25:38 --> 25:44 [SPEAKER_00]: So I guess yes, I think like Mayor June of twenty twenty seven is probably what you're looking at.
25:44 --> 25:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I would be stunned if Kate Anderson broke camp with the team in twenty twenty seven just because
25:50 --> 26:00 [SPEAKER_00]: When's the last time you saw a, you know, absolutely fresh, hasn't pitched in the big leagues, pitcher, start in the rotation with Seattle.
26:00 --> 26:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I can't recall, maybe Michael Penaida was the last one to break camp with Seattle.
26:05 --> 26:13 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I think he's probably got to have to get his feet wet into coma in April of twenty twenty seven and then they'll probably call him up shortly thereafter if he stays healthy.
26:14 --> 26:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you mean twenty seven or twenty twenty six like do you think twenty seven.
26:18 --> 26:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so you think twenty six is a full development year in the miners form.
26:22 --> 26:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean I just don't know.
26:25 --> 26:27 [SPEAKER_00]: short of banners pictures getting hurt.
26:27 --> 26:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know the purpose of rushing him.
26:30 --> 26:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Especially because like Kate Anderson isn't the type of arm that, you know, you're waiting for like, oh, we need all of these extra bullets.
26:37 --> 26:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Like Paul schemes is on the horizon.
26:39 --> 26:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Like he's not that.
26:40 --> 26:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Like he sees more of a number of three starter.
26:42 --> 26:48 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not going to go in single handedly like when you buckets of games by himself in the twenty twenty six season.
26:48 --> 26:53 [SPEAKER_00]: So assuming they keep Luis Castillo over the winter, which I think they probably will.
26:53 --> 27:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I see no reason for Kate Anderson to be here earlier than twenty twenty seven short of help help we need arms.
27:01 --> 27:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so this is interesting.
27:02 --> 27:05 [SPEAKER_02]: We talked through this a little bit on our show right after the pick.
27:05 --> 27:13 [SPEAKER_02]: And this is why it's really helpful that you're well versed and know the Mariners really well at the major league level and at the minor league level too because we can talk to a couple of examples here.
27:14 --> 27:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we talked through is Luis Castillo is shopped around a pretty sizable amount last winter and that no trade clause goes up on January first.
27:22 --> 27:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not saying that I think Kate Anderson would break camp in twenty-six with the Big League team by any means, but the idea that he'd be a fast riser and a quick mover gave us the idea of, well, they're probably going to trade Castillo at some point this winner, especially when the no trade clause comes up, and then at some point in twenty-six Anderson fills the slot.
27:45 --> 27:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, in your opinion, are we jumping the gun too fast with that?
27:49 --> 27:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think you're a year early.
27:51 --> 28:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I think you're a year early because if you just kind of carve this thing out, I would be shocked if Kate Anderson pitched a single inning for the Seattle Mariners in twenty twenty five.
28:01 --> 28:05 [SPEAKER_00]: You're talking about a guy that pitched thirty eight innings as a true freshman coming off Tommy John.
28:05 --> 28:15 [SPEAKER_00]: He then ramped things up to eighty one innings and I think it was eighty one innings in twenty twenty five like his workload jumped enormously into twenty twenty five.
28:15 --> 28:17 [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know if they're going to be in a in a hurry to put him at like
28:18 --> 28:21 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, ninety to ninety five innings this year with some minor league ball.
28:21 --> 28:26 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think he's going to go right into strength training and physical development.
28:26 --> 28:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And then Kate Anderson, what wouldn't you guys be absolutely shocked if he broke camp in twenty twenty six outside of Everett?
28:34 --> 28:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Like you have to start him in Everett.
28:36 --> 28:38 [SPEAKER_00]: You can't just send that guy right to Arkansas.
28:38 --> 28:44 [SPEAKER_00]: So I assume he starts in Everett say he's absolutely dominating like best case scenario.
28:44 --> 28:45 [SPEAKER_00]: He's just shoving.
28:46 --> 28:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Then he goes up to Arkansas in early May.
28:49 --> 28:53 [SPEAKER_00]: You probably have to pitch him six to eight weeks at a minimum in Arkansas.
28:53 --> 28:56 [SPEAKER_00]: That gets him up to Tacoma at the All Star Break.
28:56 --> 29:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And at that point, you're probably coming up on a hundred and five to a hundred and twenty innings.
29:01 --> 29:10 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm just not sure if Seattle is going to be in a huge rush to call him up and expose him to a hundred and forty inning workload as a as a rookie and minor league ball.
29:11 --> 29:12 [SPEAKER_02]: The inning thing makes sense.
29:12 --> 29:14 [SPEAKER_02]: I guess where my mind was.
29:15 --> 29:22 [SPEAKER_02]: If he's up, say, by next all starbreak, then it would be the Logan Evans Emerson Hancock duo to fill that five spot.
29:22 --> 29:31 [SPEAKER_02]: If they were to move Castillo and then around that time, you'd see Anderson get called up because with the idea that he could be big league ready in a year, but the inning's limit part of it.
29:32 --> 29:34 [SPEAKER_02]: is something to seriously take into consideration, because you're right.
29:35 --> 29:49 [SPEAKER_02]: The one thing we talked about with, or we talked about with Cade before we got drafted was, well, his only full seasons of workload were essentially what his junior, or his draft eligible sophomore year of college, and then like his, more junior year of high school, I guess.
29:50 --> 29:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's not a lot.
29:51 --> 29:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and even that, like how much I don't have it, but how many innings did he throw as a high school sophomore?
29:56 --> 30:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Like we're not even sure if this guy was the number one pitcher on his team as a high school sophomore.
30:00 --> 30:04 [SPEAKER_00]: So he might have only thrown, you know, forty innings as a high school sophomore.
30:04 --> 30:10 [SPEAKER_00]: And the other part of this that I think is really important to note is, you know, we've seen this season Logan Gilbert get hurt.
30:10 --> 30:12 [SPEAKER_00]: We've seen Bryce Miller get hurt.
30:13 --> 30:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Assuming one of those guys gets hurt again, any of these guys gets hurt again in twenty twenty seven.
30:18 --> 30:19 [SPEAKER_00]: If you trade Luis Castillo,
30:21 --> 30:27 [SPEAKER_00]: One, you're one injure away from a rotation that includes both Emerson Hancock and Logan Evans.
30:27 --> 30:36 [SPEAKER_00]: And for a team that is built on its rotation, and I think you guys would probably agree, we don't forecast this team to turn into a top ten off-ends juggernaut next season.
30:36 --> 30:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I would just hold on to all the pitching that you can and just run it back with the rotation that you've got because you've got a really good thing.
30:43 --> 30:49 [SPEAKER_00]: So unless Seattle has another one of those winners where they're like, God, we need to find twenty two million dollars, how are we gonna
30:50 --> 31:05 [SPEAKER_00]: find twenty two million dollars to you know build out the rest of this roster we have to trade Louise Castillo and the other part of that is like you're trading Louise Castillo probably at an all-time low in terms of value what are you going to get back for them i mean i'm not saying he's valueless of course but you're not going to get back
31:05 --> 31:10 [SPEAKER_00]: some all star level, you know, Jordan Westburg type player.
31:10 --> 31:22 [SPEAKER_00]: So I would just hold on to him because chances are someone's going to get hurt and you do not want a rotation of Emerson Hancock and Logan Evans in twenty twenty six if you hope to be a legitimate AL contender.
31:23 --> 31:26 [SPEAKER_01]: We're just kid Anderson rank in the Mariners top thirty prospects now.
31:28 --> 31:33 [SPEAKER_00]: He's too, for me, he's, I mean, by a fraction of an inch right behind Colt Emerson.
31:34 --> 31:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I've Colt, twenty three.
31:35 --> 31:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I've Kate Anderson, twenty five.
31:37 --> 31:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I think there's a pretty sizable gap between those guys and number three.
31:42 --> 31:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Farmella, I have at forty eight.
31:44 --> 31:52 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, they're both role fifty five, you know, potential for a single or a couple of all star games in their career.
31:52 --> 31:53 [SPEAKER_00]: That's how I project those two out.
31:54 --> 31:59 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, now that's that's a nice easy lob question for you, Joe, to gear you up for this next one.
31:59 --> 32:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it a red flag or green flag that a guy that the Mariners drafted this past weekend eats more peanut butter and jelly sandwiches than Lao Goldstein does.
32:09 --> 32:13 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a red flag.
32:14 --> 32:15 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a red flag.
32:15 --> 32:17 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a red flag.
32:17 --> 32:19 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a red flag.
32:19 --> 32:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
32:20 --> 32:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, while where would you rank on the Mariners top one hundred prospects?
32:25 --> 32:39 [SPEAKER_02]: One now I'm kidding let's go with three hundred let's go with three hundred I mean that minor leaders are in the mariner says I'm it's got to be close to that so right at the damn near bottom of it.
32:39 --> 32:48 [SPEAKER_00]: You know it's funny I asked Anthony Ionson his teammate in a pre-drift interview and it's on YouTube if anybody wants to watch it
32:48 --> 32:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I said, you take the entire LSU roster, and you go to the nicest steak dinner you can find.
32:54 --> 33:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm talking, team's gonna pay for it, school's gonna pay for it, order whatever you want, who's the one guy that you do not trust to order food for the table, and his answer was Kate Anderson.
33:05 --> 33:05 [SPEAKER_00]: So, who?
33:07 --> 33:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Actually, I was kind of, hey listen, Seattle drafted Cold Tamerson, and all he ate was like, subway with just turkey and cheese, so maybe it's like a Mariners thing.
33:16 --> 33:17 [SPEAKER_02]: What did he say, Kate would order?
33:18 --> 33:30 [SPEAKER_00]: peanut butter and jelly sandwiches oh you're talking about kids nuggets we're not here to have a thing yeah i i think it's just like maybe they like the malnourished guys
33:31 --> 33:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, because I was going to say we're not even talking about Kate Anderson here.
33:33 --> 33:40 [SPEAKER_02]: We were trying to segue here in a Luke Stevenson because there was that report that came out that said, Judy's, fifteen hundred p.m.
33:40 --> 33:40 [SPEAKER_02]: j's a year.
33:41 --> 33:46 [SPEAKER_02]: So number one, this is like our dream, or my dream guessed all of a sudden, because I need to compare notes.
33:46 --> 33:47 [SPEAKER_02]: I need to ask him how he got into it.
33:48 --> 33:54 [SPEAKER_02]: But even to put that aside, baseball wise, what jumps out about Luke Stevenson?
33:54 --> 33:55 [SPEAKER_02]: How good can he be?
33:56 --> 33:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I think he can be pretty good.
33:57 --> 34:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, he reminds me, you know, it's funny.
34:00 --> 34:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Everybody seems to be doing these podcasts and these these articles and stuff comparing Luke Stephens into Cal Rally, which is just like, it's just not fair at all to Luke Stephens and like you're talking about a guy that is coming off of
34:14 --> 34:22 [SPEAKER_00]: the best first half that we've seen since Barry bonds and Barry bonds is having like had like the best first half in baseball history.
34:22 --> 34:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I just think you want to kind of evaluate Luke Stephenson on his own merit.
34:27 --> 34:30 [SPEAKER_00]: The way I look at it is he's a really good catcher.
34:31 --> 34:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, seventy grade throwing arm.
34:33 --> 34:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's going to hold the runners at bay.
34:36 --> 34:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Big power.
34:37 --> 34:39 [SPEAKER_00]: He's going to get into his legs.
34:39 --> 34:41 [SPEAKER_00]: He's going to hit homers for the Mariners.
34:42 --> 34:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I do have questions about the overall hit tool.
34:45 --> 34:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Like he doesn't chase.
34:47 --> 34:48 [SPEAKER_00]: He's actually a pretty mature hitter.
34:49 --> 34:50 [SPEAKER_00]: He stays inside of the strike zone.
34:51 --> 35:07 [SPEAKER_00]: but he does really have trouble with spin so you kind of question like once he gets to double a when he starts seeing eighty six mile an hour sliders once he starts seeing you know really advanced stuff is he gonna be a guy that is capable of hitting two seventy five
35:08 --> 35:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not really sure the way I kind of look at it is at a base case.
35:13 --> 35:15 [SPEAKER_00]: You probably have Tom Murphy, base case.
35:15 --> 35:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Like Tom Murphy was like a two thirty five, two forty hitter who absolutely deleted fastballs when he was with Seattle and struggled with spin off the plate.
35:26 --> 35:27 [SPEAKER_00]: And he had a really good throwing arm.
35:27 --> 35:30 [SPEAKER_00]: He was a really undervalued defensive catcher.
35:31 --> 35:43 [SPEAKER_00]: on the higher end of it, maybe, and I mean, maybe he could be like a Kyle Schwerber type of offensive producer if the at bats are there, which I don't think they're going to be.
35:43 --> 35:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he's a DH, but it's like that kind of power.
35:46 --> 35:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he hit a ball, a hundred and fourteen miles an hour this season.
35:49 --> 35:50 [SPEAKER_00]: The power came on late.
35:50 --> 35:53 [SPEAKER_00]: The power was always there in twenty twenty four as a true freshman.
35:54 --> 35:54 [SPEAKER_00]: So
35:54 --> 36:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I think with only two years of baseball card behind Luke Stephenson, we're all still trying to figure out what he is, but I can say with pretty good confidence that he's going to have to adjust to major league baseball breaking balls, but he's going to absolutely murder fastballs.
36:11 --> 36:14 [SPEAKER_00]: He's going to work good counts and he's going to throw out base runners.
36:14 --> 36:19 [SPEAKER_01]: You said the Cal Comparison is unfair, and I definitely get it, but what about the prospect version of Cal?
36:20 --> 36:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Cal had plenty of question marks as a prospect coming up in the system.
36:24 --> 36:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm curious how the two compare at this point for Luke.
36:27 --> 36:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I guess my pushback on that would be, doesn't every draft prospect that's a catcher have question marks, like outside of Adley Ruchman, like all of them that get drafted are always like, like, look at Harry Ford.
36:40 --> 36:42 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, even Harry Ford, he was the what?
36:42 --> 36:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Eleven thick in that draft.
36:44 --> 36:46 [SPEAKER_00]: It was like, well, can this guy play catcher?
36:46 --> 36:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Is he going to have to move to left field?
36:48 --> 36:50 [SPEAKER_00]: This is that so on and so forth.
36:50 --> 36:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Like the question marks with cow where, you know, is this guy going to be able to catch because he's so big?
36:55 --> 36:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Like this is a really big body.
36:57 --> 37:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Is he going to slow down and not be able to catch because he's just too slow and too sluggish?
37:02 --> 37:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Everyone's got those question marks and I think it's just different for every catcher.
37:06 --> 37:09 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think the crux of what you're saying is, you know,
37:09 --> 37:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Catchers just inherently have yellow flags and red flags.
37:13 --> 37:17 [SPEAKER_00]: And the hardest thing to do in scouting is identify a catcher that's going to stay behind the plate.
37:17 --> 37:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel pretty confident that Luke Stephenson's going to do that.
37:21 --> 37:23 [SPEAKER_01]: What about their next pick on day one Nick Becker?
37:23 --> 37:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Is speed as supposed to be his calling card?
37:25 --> 37:27 [SPEAKER_01]: What else is he supposed to grow into?
37:28 --> 37:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is going to be a TikTok or Instagram short for you guys.
37:32 --> 37:37 [SPEAKER_00]: The fact that Nikki Becker isn't getting talked about by the way, he goes by Nikki Becker just for the fans out there.
37:37 --> 37:41 [SPEAKER_00]: The fact that he's not getting talked about more is crazy.
37:41 --> 37:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Like to me, it seems like it was, oh, you know, Kate Anderson, Kate Anderson and all Luke Stephenson, like, oh, it's Harry Ford going to get traded this and that.
37:49 --> 37:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Like Nikki Becker, I saw Nikki Becker
37:52 --> 37:54 [SPEAKER_00]: probably take eighteen at bats last year.
37:54 --> 37:58 [SPEAKER_00]: The dude has legitimate plus raw power.
37:58 --> 38:00 [SPEAKER_00]: He's a seventy runner.
38:00 --> 38:01 [SPEAKER_00]: It's plus arm strength.
38:02 --> 38:06 [SPEAKER_00]: It is every single tool that you want to see from a short stop.
38:07 --> 38:13 [SPEAKER_00]: He's got some stiffness in his hands that will need to be kind of polished up a little bit if he hopes to hit at the next level.
38:14 --> 38:20 [SPEAKER_00]: But everything is here for Nicky Becker to become a star if the hit tool comes along.
38:21 --> 38:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I talked to a lot of scouts along the way last summer, this winter, and all of them always resort back to Gunner Henderson.
38:30 --> 38:32 [SPEAKER_00]: They always go, who's the Gunner Henderson of a draft?
38:32 --> 38:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Who's the Gunner Henderson of a draft?
38:34 --> 38:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Who's the guy that everyone's just going to miss on and it's going to end up being a star?
38:38 --> 38:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, this was what Gunner Henderson was in high school.
38:41 --> 38:47 [SPEAKER_00]: It was a really, really crude raw hit tool and swing.
38:47 --> 38:52 [SPEAKER_00]: The Orioles turned it into something more fluid and dangerous and all of the other tools began to sing.
38:53 --> 38:55 [SPEAKER_00]: The run, the hit tool, the power, the arm strength.
38:56 --> 38:59 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what Nikki Becker has the capability to become.
39:00 --> 39:03 [SPEAKER_00]: We're talking about a high school shortstop that six foot four and can run like the wind.
39:04 --> 39:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I cannot believe this is not getting more publicity.
39:08 --> 39:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's about to now, like you said, it's probably going out on social media.
39:12 --> 39:15 [SPEAKER_02]: The Mariners drafted a guy that might be gunner Henderson.
39:15 --> 39:20 [SPEAKER_00]: You make sure when you cut this, that you include the part about the stiffness in his hands and the hit tool.
39:20 --> 39:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Because if you guys glaze the hell out of him and don't include that part, it's gonna look bad for me.
39:25 --> 39:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And I want the whole story there.
39:26 --> 39:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I want the entire picture, okay?
39:28 --> 39:29 [SPEAKER_00]: We got you.
39:29 --> 39:30 [SPEAKER_02]: We got you all included.
39:31 --> 39:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, so, so that's why he was overslotted at that pic.
39:35 --> 39:39 [SPEAKER_02]: That's that to the Mariners were trying to save a little bit of money for that to the retargeting.
39:39 --> 39:43 [SPEAKER_02]: It's, it's the idea of Nikki Becker who he can be as is what I'm getting at, right?
39:43 --> 39:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, he's going to get a lot of money.
39:46 --> 39:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I, the number that I had, well, I won't even say that, but I had heard it was a pretty big number to get him away from the University of Virginia where he was going to get the opportunity to play with his brother.
39:55 --> 39:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's an enormous opportunity for any family, right?
39:58 --> 40:02 [SPEAKER_00]: It was going to have to be, hey, you're going to pay me like a first rounder or I'm just going to go to Virginia and I'm going to play with Eric.
40:03 --> 40:08 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I would imagine that, you know, the Mariners saved what's seven or eight hundred thousand dollars on that first pick.
40:09 --> 40:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I would think
40:10 --> 40:18 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, the slot value for Nikki was like one point six, I would think he's going to get at least what they saved on Cade, perhaps even a little bit more.
40:19 --> 40:27 [SPEAKER_01]: What's the difference from where Nikki Becker is right now as a draft prospect versus where Cole Emerson was a couple years ago and they drafted him.
40:28 --> 40:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Totally different players.
40:29 --> 40:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Colt Emerson was one of the most distinguished, decorated high school hitters in the entire class in twenty twenty two and twenty three playing for Team USA playing on the showcases and the tournament circuit.
40:40 --> 40:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Everyone just knew he was going to hit.
40:43 --> 40:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Nikki Becker has way louder raw tools than Colt Emerson.
40:47 --> 40:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, Emerson, everyone knew that he was going to be able to survive in professional baseball because of the swing and because of the baseball card and everything that he had done leading up to getting drafted.
40:57 --> 41:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Nikki Becker had kind of an uneven summer last year where it was really good and long beach and then it was not so good, the rest of the summer and it was just uneven.
41:05 --> 41:09 [SPEAKER_00]: So the biggest thing is going to be with Nikki, like, are you going to hit?
41:09 --> 41:11 [SPEAKER_00]: And by are you going to hit?
41:11 --> 41:12 [SPEAKER_00]: That's how you get to your power.
41:12 --> 41:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I can come on this podcast all day and say, oh, it's plus Rob power.
41:16 --> 41:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, if you can't hit, then, you know, hobby bias has plus raw power.
41:21 --> 41:24 [SPEAKER_00]: So you have to find a blend between bat to ball and bat speed.
41:24 --> 41:27 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think he's kind of going to learn how to get there.
41:28 --> 41:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll all opin this though when Johnny for mellow is drafted twenty nine overall in twenty twenty three.
41:34 --> 41:39 [SPEAKER_00]: The biggest question marks where every single time we show up to the ballpark, this kid has a different swing.
41:39 --> 41:48 [SPEAKER_00]: He tinkers and his feel for just his feel for hitting in the box just isn't there and it's it's going to be a process to teach him consistency in the box.
41:49 --> 41:59 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you remember, you know, Johnny was the very last mariner to debut from that draft class as they continue to kind of work through what he was going to be, you know, in full season ball.
42:00 --> 42:00 [SPEAKER_00]: That's
42:01 --> 42:02 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, that might be the case with Nikki.
42:02 --> 42:04 [SPEAKER_00]: You might not see him in twenty twenty five.
42:04 --> 42:13 [SPEAKER_00]: You might not see him until, you know, March or April of twenty twenty six and that's okay because you want to do everything you can to reach in there and get all of those tools.
42:14 --> 42:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Let me let me rewind really quick before we keep going down the list because when talking about Luke Stevens and I know you kind of alluded to it for a minute, but I do just want to touch on it with you.
42:25 --> 42:27 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think the Mariners by any means drafting for need.
42:28 --> 42:31 [SPEAKER_02]: That being said, because they took the catcher.
42:32 --> 42:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you think Harry Ford's here in two weeks?
42:36 --> 42:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think Harry Ford is here in two weeks.
42:39 --> 42:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I also don't think Luke Stephenson getting drafted was a direct signal of that.
42:45 --> 42:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I said this on Seattle sports.
42:49 --> 42:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Seattle had Luke Stephenson as the best player on their board when he came up at thirty five.
42:54 --> 42:55 [SPEAKER_00]: They expected him to be gone.
42:55 --> 43:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I think you always take the best player that's available and they probably knew at that point that they had some sort of deal for for Becker lined up either there or at fifty nine.
43:04 --> 43:06 [SPEAKER_00]: So they took the best player on their board.
43:07 --> 43:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the fact that they selected Stevenson and Grant J and Lou Cayman who are all pretty good defensive catching prospects signals that the organization thought that they were pretty lean in the catching ranks in their minor league system and they were I think you guys would agree there's Harry Ford and then
43:27 --> 43:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Give it a shot.
43:28 --> 43:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Who's the next catching prospect?
43:29 --> 43:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Josh Karen.
43:30 --> 43:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what I mean?
43:31 --> 43:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was going to say maybe Connor Sharping or somebody like that.
43:34 --> 43:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
43:35 --> 43:39 [SPEAKER_00]: And he was a not I think he was either a day three guy or undrafted free agent.
43:39 --> 43:44 [SPEAKER_00]: So they needed catching depth no matter how you chalk it up.
43:44 --> 43:49 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think the fact that they did draft three college catchers, you know Stevenson can probably go
43:50 --> 43:52 [SPEAKER_00]: to Everett right away in twenty twenty six.
43:52 --> 44:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure Grant J and Lou Cayman will either one of them will go to Everett and one of them will go to Modesto or what have you but the fact that they have so much more depth on the college catching side after this draft does signal to me at least that they're willingness to move Harry Ford at the deadline.
44:10 --> 44:11 [SPEAKER_00]: It has to have gone up.
44:14 --> 44:18 [SPEAKER_01]: The last pick on day one for the Mariners was Griffin Hugus if I have that name pronounced correctly.
44:19 --> 44:25 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think they're supposed to save money on this on this pick here, but also he's kind of intriguing.
44:25 --> 44:28 [SPEAKER_01]: He starts and he's got some pretty decent stuff as well.
44:28 --> 44:36 [SPEAKER_01]: What is the is there a mold they're going after here is what what's the intrigue with why they picked him at the end day one?
44:36 --> 44:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he's going to be a money saver for what it's worth.
44:39 --> 44:40 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll see.
44:40 --> 44:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have any information on that.
44:41 --> 44:42 [SPEAKER_00]: But I had him in the third round.
44:43 --> 44:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I know a lot of teams had him in the third round.
44:46 --> 44:49 [SPEAKER_00]: If you would have asked teams in March or April, it was a second rounder.
44:49 --> 44:52 [SPEAKER_00]: He just kind of fatigued as the season went on.
44:52 --> 44:53 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think
44:54 --> 45:00 [SPEAKER_00]: More than anything, Griffin Hugus is a switchback to what the Mariners do well.
45:00 --> 45:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was really interesting in twenty twenty four.
45:03 --> 45:04 [SPEAKER_00]: How sinker heavy they went.
45:04 --> 45:09 [SPEAKER_00]: It was so many sinker ballers both day two and day three.
45:09 --> 45:13 [SPEAKER_00]: This year they grab a guy like Cade who has a super vertical fastball.
45:13 --> 45:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Griffin Hugus who's kind of on the undersized side of things, a lower launch, a fastball that really carries through the zone.
45:20 --> 45:22 [SPEAKER_00]: kind of that Brian Wu like mold.
45:22 --> 45:24 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not the same launch trades.
45:24 --> 45:38 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not the same uniqueness that Brian Wu is, but it's that undersized six foot one inch, hundred and ninety five pound guy that launches low and carries the ball through the zone and, you know, pairs a low to mid eighty slider off of it.
45:38 --> 45:46 [SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, if that's so much success with that type of pitcher over the years, I was really surprised that they went to guys that throw such a heavy ball in twenty twenty four.
45:46 --> 45:54 [SPEAKER_00]: The fact that they landed him, and there's a couple other guys like that in the draft that they landed, I think is a positive development for what the team is good at.
45:55 --> 45:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, we're talking about low slot rising fastballs.
45:58 --> 46:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going to skip past the fifth round.
46:00 --> 46:01 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll get to Corbin Dickerson here in a second.
46:02 --> 46:06 [SPEAKER_01]: The one highlight you tweeted of Lucas Kelly has my jaw on the floor.
46:07 --> 46:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know how we didn't know about him sooner since Lao and our ASU alums and maybe we're just bad alums here.
46:13 --> 46:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Watching that one fastball out of Lucas Kelly's hand.
46:18 --> 46:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Really like almost blew my brains out.
46:21 --> 46:43 [SPEAKER_00]: i mean that's one of the most disgusting pitches of the entire college baseball season like that was ninety nine just above the top rail with carry out of like a fifty eight inch launch and the batter just to no chance like it was i don't you guys have probably heard this and you don't need a rated r for your podcast but that was an f u fastball like that was sick to end a game
46:44 --> 46:46 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, that's not what Lucas Kelly always is.
46:46 --> 46:50 [SPEAKER_00]: In fact, that pitch was probably the peak of what Lucas Kelly can be.
46:50 --> 46:53 [SPEAKER_00]: It had the most vert of any pitches that month.
46:53 --> 46:58 [SPEAKER_00]: It was, you know, up to ninety nine, but he's usually like ninety two to ninety five.
46:58 --> 47:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Man, like, it's policy walled, right?
47:01 --> 47:11 [SPEAKER_00]: And they drafted two of these policy walls where they got that kind of, you know, third base orientation, low slot, like to pitch the fastball at the top of the zone and pairs the sweeper off of it.
47:11 --> 47:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I said on my podcast, I was like, if there's a guy that's gonna get to Seattle in twenty twenty six at Mox speed, it's Lucas Kelly and he could probably pitch in the sixth or seventh inning as early as May or June of next year.
47:24 --> 47:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, good.
47:24 --> 47:29 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad to hear it because I got to tell you the one thing the Mariners lack in this system until this strap.
47:29 --> 47:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Sun devil.
47:30 --> 47:33 [SPEAKER_02]: So if you want something to do, and I are going to be blindly rooting for him.
47:33 --> 47:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, Lucas Kelly.
47:34 --> 47:36 [SPEAKER_02]: So I would fire that to see them take.
47:36 --> 47:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, let me ask you this though, then they draft his air apparent and, you know, Bloodborne rival Casey hints in like the, I don't know, like the thirteen round.
47:46 --> 47:48 [SPEAKER_00]: He's got a lower slot.
47:48 --> 47:50 [SPEAKER_00]: He's also, he's even more policy.
47:50 --> 47:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, he's got the exact same delivery.
47:53 --> 47:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Arizona.
47:54 --> 47:56 [SPEAKER_00]: So what are we going to do about that?
47:56 --> 47:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Is it a race to the finish who gets to Seattle quickest?
48:01 --> 48:05 [SPEAKER_02]: See, I would sit here and say we have to root for him to play him out, but I can't do that.
48:05 --> 48:07 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a married podcast.
48:07 --> 48:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure, let's do a race to the finish.
48:09 --> 48:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's see you get to the big league's first.
48:11 --> 48:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's pin him up against each other.
48:12 --> 48:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Two years, guys, is credit.
48:14 --> 48:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Lucas Kelly has touched ninety nine.
48:16 --> 48:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Casey Hens has touched ninety three.
48:18 --> 48:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I think you're off to a lead.
48:20 --> 48:20 [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
48:21 --> 48:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Good to hear it.
48:23 --> 48:33 [SPEAKER_02]: I, okay, I like to ask you this question now every year we have you on after the draft because for those who don't remember two years ago Joe essentially nailed this question about as well as you can when I asked them.
48:33 --> 48:39 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll be guys that weren't drafted high who are a couple to watch for who are a couple guys that really jumped out to you that went in the later rounds.
48:40 --> 48:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Two years ago, you told us Logan Evans and Brody Hawkins, so you absolutely nailed that in twenty-three.
48:45 --> 48:57 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not saying you're going to have a crystal ball every year, but of this class, of the guys that weren't drafted extremely high, of the guys that people aren't paying as close attention to, who jumps out to you of the rest of this class.
48:58 --> 48:59 [SPEAKER_00]: This is a lot of pressure.
49:00 --> 49:02 [SPEAKER_00]: After that draft, after that draft.
49:04 --> 49:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the guy that stands out for me is probably Jackson Steinsma, six, five, two hundred and fifty pounds did not pitch in twenty twenty five.
49:15 --> 49:20 [SPEAKER_00]: He missed the entire season with injury, but he was pretty good in twenty twenty four.
49:20 --> 49:22 [SPEAKER_00]: He's been up to ninety six with the fast ball.
49:22 --> 49:23 [SPEAKER_00]: It's got some carry.
49:24 --> 49:25 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a big body.
49:26 --> 49:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I wonder how quickly they bring him on, but he's a strike thrower, it's four pitches.
49:31 --> 49:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I think they need to firm up the breaking ball a little bit from what it was in twenty twenty four, but this is also a guy that's going to be two years older, two years stronger, and he's got great size.
49:40 --> 49:44 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think, you know, Jackson Steansman, I actually had, I think, a sixth round great on and he goes in the night.
49:44 --> 49:47 [SPEAKER_00]: So I would feel pretty good about that one.
49:47 --> 49:51 [SPEAKER_00]: The other one is going to be Mason Peters, who was the fourth round pick.
49:51 --> 49:54 [SPEAKER_00]: And this was actually a whiff by me.
49:54 --> 49:57 [SPEAKER_00]: So I watched quite a bit of Mason Peters in March and early April.
49:58 --> 50:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And they were just using him in so many different roles out of the bullpen.
50:02 --> 50:03 [SPEAKER_00]: It was just tough to crack that rotation.
50:04 --> 50:07 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I kind of logged him down as a seventh or an eighth inning reliever.
50:07 --> 50:10 [SPEAKER_00]: But I went back and looked at his metrics and, you know, he's five foot eleven.
50:11 --> 50:17 [SPEAKER_00]: He gets huge extension down the mound, which is always a great building block for building a starting pitching prospect.
50:17 --> 50:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Up to ninety six again high spin up at the top of the zone upper seventies curve ball that has a chance to be legitimately plus.
50:25 --> 50:31 [SPEAKER_00]: My only question on Mason Peters is probably going to be because he's five foot eleven.
50:32 --> 50:40 [SPEAKER_00]: How long are they going to stick with him in the rotation like is this going to be a legitimate starting pitching prospect for a year or a year and a half.
50:40 --> 50:49 [SPEAKER_00]: or are they just going to like shove them into the eighth inning in Everett right away and you know, get them throw in like ninety five to ninety six with a hammer.
50:49 --> 50:54 [SPEAKER_00]: So I would say Mason Peters and Jackson Steansma and I feel pretty good about that.
50:55 --> 50:57 [SPEAKER_01]: What about Corbin Dickerson?
50:57 --> 51:00 [SPEAKER_01]: And for those who don't know, they drafted him out of Indiana in the fifth round.
51:00 --> 51:02 [SPEAKER_01]: There are some tools there.
51:02 --> 51:13 [SPEAKER_01]: He's supposed to be a plus runner, plus defender, and hit nineteen home runs this past year, but his approach needs some work in terms of if he's going to advance well in the minor leagues.
51:13 --> 51:15 [SPEAKER_01]: How much work does the approach need?
51:16 --> 51:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know if it's a approach as much as it is.
51:19 --> 51:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, like this is going to sound worse than it is.
51:23 --> 51:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if Dickerson identifies spin out of the hand very well.
51:28 --> 51:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Like it might just be one of those things that he always kind of struggles with and he'll have to formulate a way to get into fastball counts and Bush counts.
51:36 --> 51:40 [SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, I think you skipped the fact that he hit a ball, hundred and sixteen miles an hour this season.
51:41 --> 52:00 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a plus arm, it's plus run times, it's plus raw power, like he fills up a scouting report like it's nobody's business, but kind of in a similar vein to Luke Stephenson, the question marks are like, well if this guy's going to run like a thirty five or a forty percent wiff rate against sliders.
52:01 --> 52:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Is he going to be able to get past AA?
52:05 --> 52:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Is he going to get stuck at AA?
52:07 --> 52:12 [SPEAKER_00]: How long is it going to take for him to be able to survive against advanced big league breaking balls?
52:12 --> 52:20 [SPEAKER_00]: If he can get over that hill, if he can get over that crest, Corbin Dickerson has a chance to be a starting outfielder in Major League Baseball.
52:20 --> 52:22 [SPEAKER_00]: But that's a tall hill to climb.
52:22 --> 52:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, being able to hit a breaking ball is a critical part of being a big leaker.
52:27 --> 52:29 [SPEAKER_01]: This might just totally be out of left field.
52:29 --> 52:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, is this like a, like a haze who's Sanchez?
52:34 --> 52:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Is that what that idea is?
52:35 --> 52:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Am I off on that?
52:36 --> 52:37 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a pretty good call, actually.
52:38 --> 52:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, obviously pretty different players, but I can see where you're going with that.
52:42 --> 52:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't hate that.
52:45 --> 52:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Last question for you, Joe, and this is a little bit more big picture, but this class is a whole, where does the upside compare to some of the last few drafts that the Meredith had?
52:55 --> 53:00 [SPEAKER_00]: So I said this again on another podcast I apologize for hitting with you guys second.
53:01 --> 53:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I think this is the best draft class that they've had in a long time to be honest.
53:07 --> 53:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I actually like this class better than twenty twenty three, which I know is maybe a hot take.
53:13 --> 53:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the balance and blend and upside and
53:20 --> 53:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Everything and the floor like I just I just think this class is one of the most balanced that Scott Hunter has put together as a Mariners scouting director and that's kind of saying a lot because I went into the twenty twenty five draft thinking this is a slightly below average class and it kind of falls off pretty steep after the fourth round and for Seattle to land of course Anderson Stevenson the obscene ceiling of Nikki Becker and Hugus in the first three rounds.
53:48 --> 53:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought was excellent
53:50 --> 53:52 [SPEAKER_00]: But then they landed guys like Corbin Dickerson.
53:52 --> 53:53 [SPEAKER_00]: They took a shot on a Corbin Dickerson.
53:54 --> 53:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I think guys like Lucas Kelly and Mason Peters are our big leaders.
53:57 --> 53:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll just put it that way.
53:58 --> 54:13 [SPEAKER_00]: And then you have a couple of guys in Steinsma and Isaac Lyon who I think in the Mariners High Performance Camp could term themselves into some pretty legitimate starting pitching prospects in Major League Baseball.
54:14 --> 54:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Couple that with the fact that Grant J and Luke came in a position that was of serious need and I quite like what they did with this class.
54:22 --> 54:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I just think they checked so many boxes.
54:24 --> 54:34 [SPEAKER_00]: They filled positions in their farm system that were dreadfully lacking and there is some, you know, outside shot for all-star potential here.
54:34 --> 54:35 [SPEAKER_00]: So I thought it was a master class.
54:37 --> 54:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Joe, this has been fantastic as always.
54:39 --> 54:41 [SPEAKER_01]: You are a dear friend of this podcast.
54:41 --> 54:42 [SPEAKER_01]: We always appreciate the insight.
54:42 --> 54:44 [SPEAKER_01]: So thanks so much for taking some time for us.
54:45 --> 54:46 [SPEAKER_00]: You guys are friends as well anytime.
54:50 --> 54:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, shout out to Joe.
54:51 --> 54:52 [SPEAKER_02]: We always love talking with them.
54:52 --> 54:55 [SPEAKER_02]: I hope you guys learned a bunch about this draft class.
54:55 --> 54:58 [SPEAKER_02]: I got to tell you, we're pretty excited about Nicky Becker all the sudden.
54:58 --> 55:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Not that you shouldn't have been before because he was always going to be the high school and fielder that probably got no verslot for where he was drafted at.
55:05 --> 55:13 [SPEAKER_02]: To hear who he could be, and to hear the tools he's got, yeah, get fired up, get fired up about him, about Kate Anderson, about Luke Stephenson, about a bunch of these guys.
55:14 --> 55:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Joe breaks it down as well as anybody.
55:15 --> 55:17 [SPEAKER_02]: So we love talking to him.
55:17 --> 55:23 [SPEAKER_02]: We really hope you guys enjoyed the conversation, and we hope you guys learn more about this draft class, and we can't wait to see how they progress moving forward.
55:24 --> 55:27 [SPEAKER_02]: That just about wraps up this edition of the Marine Lair podcast.
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