Lyle and TJ react to the Mariners splitting another series in Anaheim, and all the oddities that come along with it (2:30). They then discuss whether or not it's worth the Mariners targeting a starter at the deadline to improve middling rotation production (20:02). They analyze the reported asking price for Eugenio Suarez and whether or not the Mariners would entertain it (42:59). They close out the show reacting to Ichiro's Baseball Hall of Fame induction (1:00:11).
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01:20 --> 01:25 [SPEAKER_01]: And we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Lair podcast part of the just baseball podcast network.
01:25 --> 01:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Recording on Sunday evening July, twenty seven.
01:29 --> 01:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm thankful to say I've done watching the Mariners playing Anaheim again.
01:32 --> 01:40 [SPEAKER_01]: It happens every single time they play an Anaheim something happens and it's they don't play well enough.
01:40 --> 01:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Why are they not playing well enough?
01:41 --> 01:42 [SPEAKER_01]: The angel stink.
01:43 --> 01:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Dude, it's like when Julio starts playing well because Anna Himes like his sanctuary of offense, the rest of the team just falters against the grain.
01:53 --> 01:57 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like Julio does great, rest of the team doesn't, and then they lose to the angels.
01:57 --> 01:59 [SPEAKER_00]: They don't win series against the angels and Anna Himes.
02:00 --> 02:06 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, it is astounding that they cannot win series on the road against that team, but it continues to happen.
02:07 --> 02:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And you could say, oh, it was like really close, Logan Gilbert had a pretty tough fifth inning today.
02:11 --> 02:13 [SPEAKER_01]: If there was a couple of calls that went his way.
02:13 --> 02:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe things work out differently in that game.
02:16 --> 02:28 [SPEAKER_01]: You could also go back to game one of the murders game one of the series and say, Oh, the murders could have easily now lost three of four when Andre's moonius has the bases loaded in the bottom of the ninth inning and no one's Shenwall line one out to left field.
02:28 --> 02:34 [SPEAKER_01]: If it was, I don't know, hit in a different direction, then that game that result might have not been so favorable.
02:34 --> 02:35 [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know,
02:35 --> 02:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I think things worked out the way they should have worked out, the two teams splitting the series, but I think it all boils down to like what we watched here on Sunday.
02:45 --> 02:50 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to try and put like some clamps on myself of how much I'm complaining because
02:51 --> 02:57 [SPEAKER_01]: As we're sitting here right now, like the playoff race is shaking out very favorably for the Mariners.
02:57 --> 03:08 [SPEAKER_01]: There's really only one other team outside the playoff picture, which I guess outside are currently tied for the playoff position right now, the Texas Rangers, that the Mariners currently have to worry about.
03:08 --> 03:12 [SPEAKER_01]: So that makes the games a little less stressful in terms of what you're chasing.
03:13 --> 03:15 [SPEAKER_01]: But you get opportunities to play teams like the Angels.
03:18 --> 03:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's Logan Gilbert versus Kyle Hendrix on a Sunday.
03:21 --> 03:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Kyle Hendrix is topping out at eighty six miles an hour.
03:25 --> 03:27 [SPEAKER_01]: He throws about as hard as I do.
03:27 --> 03:29 [SPEAKER_01]: It looks like he's just lobbying it in there.
03:29 --> 03:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And the mayor said two heads against him.
03:35 --> 03:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it took Cal Rally till the third time through the order to get any runs against the guy and which, of course, he just smashed his forty first home of the year, which is a crazy number to say here on July the twenty seven, as we're recording in its own right, but
03:51 --> 04:07 [SPEAKER_00]: It really is, yeah, it is amazing that the Mariners get up against these arms that they should beat when they go out and beat the scubles of the world and they beat the Crochet's of the world when they beat them in Boston and they even went out and won the Jacob as a rescue game despite not really doing any damage against him himself.
04:08 --> 04:13 [SPEAKER_00]: But then when you go face the Kyle Hendrix's of the world, it like you get blanked.
04:14 --> 04:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Playing the Angels in Anaheim just puts my brain in a pretzel.
04:19 --> 04:20 [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't make any sense.
04:20 --> 04:22 [SPEAKER_00]: The results just are flabbergasting.
04:23 --> 04:25 [SPEAKER_00]: You can't really take away anything significant from it.
04:27 --> 04:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I just walk away dumbfounded every time because we're now going to sit on three years where they haven't won a series in that ballpark.
04:35 --> 04:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's no reason.
04:36 --> 04:40 [SPEAKER_01]: The Angel's team hasn't really even changed that much of the last three years.
04:40 --> 04:55 [SPEAKER_01]: The only thing the Angel's change about their current roster, because they never sell, they never tear down what they essentially do, that the Angel's process as a baseball team is that they draft a college kid in the first round and promote him within a year.
04:56 --> 04:58 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the only additions to their roster.
04:58 --> 05:05 [SPEAKER_01]: That and they sign free agents who don't really fit at all within a year, within like a month.
05:06 --> 05:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Depends if they're a pitcher or if they're a hitter, and I mean, Christian Moore was drafted last year and got promoted this year.
05:12 --> 05:12 [SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
05:14 --> 05:16 [SPEAKER_01]: So they actually were kind of patient with him, shockingly patient.
05:17 --> 05:22 [SPEAKER_01]: But if Tyler Bremner has any bullets left in his arm, he's going to be pitching in the bullpen soon.
05:22 --> 05:26 [SPEAKER_00]: But like Nolan channel, I'll take him a month, a month and a half to get called out.
05:26 --> 05:27 [SPEAKER_00]: It was crazy.
05:27 --> 05:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he had like fifteen minor league games.
05:29 --> 05:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Zach Neto, I think was it was less than a year for Neto.
05:34 --> 05:43 [SPEAKER_00]: he was really fast too and it's crazy he's been as good as he's been because usually when you give some guy that little development time it doesn't usually go that well but for him he's made a work
05:44 --> 05:48 [SPEAKER_01]: He's made it work pretty well, but that's really the only additions to this Angel's roster and the Mariners.
05:50 --> 05:56 [SPEAKER_01]: At some points have tried to get better and tried to improve their roster and yet the results aren't really any different.
05:56 --> 06:00 [SPEAKER_01]: And as you said, I don't think it's like any one thing you can point your finger to.
06:00 --> 06:02 [SPEAKER_01]: We saw some good offense in the series.
06:02 --> 06:04 [SPEAKER_01]: We also saw some points like today where the offense just
06:05 --> 06:08 [SPEAKER_01]: for some reason wasn't good enough against arms that just flattered aren't good.
06:08 --> 06:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you have an answer to that question?
06:10 --> 06:11 [SPEAKER_01]: No, not really.
06:11 --> 06:18 [SPEAKER_01]: It could be the Mariners having the ultimate pitching advantage and the Mariners pitching doesn't live up to its ultimate pitching advantage.
06:18 --> 06:20 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just a whole number of things.
06:20 --> 06:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's the weather.
06:22 --> 06:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like, what are we digging into here?
06:24 --> 06:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's so weird.
06:26 --> 06:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Like they could go to the, they could go play the A's this week and when that series two or three no problem.
06:30 --> 06:33 [SPEAKER_01]: But if it's the angels playing in this ballpark,
06:34 --> 06:36 [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't, yeah, it doesn't really work out.
06:37 --> 06:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd say that if there is a positive to draw from a series, we do need to talk, I guess a little bit about Julio.
06:43 --> 06:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying we're going to rewrite his season here, but he did have an objectively very good series down in Anaheim.
06:49 --> 06:54 [SPEAKER_01]: His road numbers this year are, you know, he's always had good road numbers.
06:55 --> 06:57 [SPEAKER_01]: These are the best road numbers he's ever had this year.
06:57 --> 07:03 [SPEAKER_01]: His road numbers are pretty close actually to what he hit as a rookie overall for the season.
07:04 --> 07:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, his rookie season, he was at a one forty six WRC plus on the road this season, Julio's at a one forty eight and has a nine hundred OPS right now and is striking out sixteen points seven percent of the time.
07:18 --> 07:28 [SPEAKER_01]: If you were to like try and explain to us before the season that a Julio breakout season is going to have him hitting near three hundred striking out less than twenty percent of the time and have an OPS of nine hundred.
07:28 --> 07:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you'd sit there and say yes.
07:31 --> 07:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And the Mariners have gotten that half of that.
07:34 --> 07:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Not counting his home numbers.
07:36 --> 07:47 [SPEAKER_01]: But for some reason, just like the Mariners playing in Anaheim, Julio's road, the road hot street continues.
07:47 --> 07:48 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's great.
07:48 --> 07:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe him and Cales should just play every game on the road the rest of the year.
07:53 --> 07:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Another, another thing I just don't really get.
07:57 --> 08:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how much do we talk about this on a couple shows last week?
08:01 --> 08:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if we did.
08:02 --> 08:05 [SPEAKER_00]: This might be our first time bringing up some of Julio's splits, right?
08:05 --> 08:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Home versus on the road.
08:08 --> 08:09 [SPEAKER_00]: We might have mentioned it a couple times.
08:09 --> 08:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the Tiger series too, but you can bring it back up.
08:12 --> 08:20 [SPEAKER_00]: So just to give people context, you mentioned what his road numbers are and to just put it all into one, I'll just read them both out loud here.
08:20 --> 08:23 [SPEAKER_00]: But Julio's road numbers
08:25 --> 08:29 [SPEAKER_00]: As of today, well, you said his WRC plus is one forty eight now on the road.
08:29 --> 08:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
08:30 --> 08:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, because entering Sunday, we'll know entering Saturday.
08:34 --> 08:35 [SPEAKER_00]: It was one forty five.
08:35 --> 08:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess after Saturday's game where he hit another Homer, it went up, but I'll just read you the numbers from a couple days ago because it's all right here in front of me, but entering Saturday's game.
08:47 --> 08:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Julio was hitting two ninety seven on the road, thirteen homers, and eight eighty nine OPS, and a one forty five WRC+.
08:55 --> 08:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Julio's numbers at home and these are unchanged over the last few days since the teams have been on the road.
09:00 --> 09:07 [SPEAKER_00]: He's hitting two thirteen, four home runs, a five ninety three OPS, and an eighty one WRC+.
09:10 --> 09:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't get it.
09:11 --> 09:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't really know what to make of it because Julio hasn't always had problems hitting at home.
09:15 --> 09:18 [SPEAKER_00]: In fact, his first couple of years hitting in Timo will park.
09:18 --> 09:19 [SPEAKER_00]: He was really good.
09:19 --> 09:21 [SPEAKER_00]: His rookie year, he was very, very good.
09:22 --> 09:24 [SPEAKER_00]: His sophomore year in twenty three, he was above average.
09:24 --> 09:26 [SPEAKER_00]: His OPS was about seven, eighty at home.
09:27 --> 09:29 [SPEAKER_00]: But the last two years, I don't know what's happened.
09:30 --> 09:36 [SPEAKER_01]: He's what we thought he was on the road and he's a minor league right home.
09:37 --> 09:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And it can't be the ballpark.
09:38 --> 09:41 [SPEAKER_01]: The ballpark has not changed in four years.
09:41 --> 09:43 [SPEAKER_01]: It has not changed one bit.
09:44 --> 09:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Why is it now that he's struggling?
09:46 --> 09:49 [SPEAKER_00]: You want the drastic, you want the drastic comparisons here.
09:50 --> 09:58 [SPEAKER_00]: And this is serious, but Juan Soto has about an eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, seven.
09:58 --> 10:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Julio on the road is Juan Soto and at home, he's Abe Toro.
10:03 --> 10:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Of course you did.
10:04 --> 10:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Of course you did.
10:05 --> 10:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, is that wrong?
10:08 --> 10:15 [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's not and you take one soda on the road, but you also kind of want one soda at home because it gets everyone not pissed at you.
10:15 --> 10:17 [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't need need to be one soda at home.
10:18 --> 10:19 [SPEAKER_01]: He can be Zack netto at home.
10:21 --> 10:23 [SPEAKER_00]: He can be I mean, he could be
10:25 --> 10:26 [SPEAKER_00]: What's your priorities?
10:27 --> 10:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like he could be Cole Young over the last month at home.
10:30 --> 10:39 [SPEAKER_00]: If Cole Young, if you look at Cole Young's numbers over the last month or so last five weeks, Cole's been about a one ten one fifteen WRC plus hitter.
10:40 --> 10:46 [SPEAKER_00]: If Julio was that at home, even if he wasn't going to hit for crazy power inside that ballpark, and he did most of his power damage on the road.
10:48 --> 10:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Like sure, who cares, then you're above average hitter at home in a superstar on the road, and that leads to an MVP caliber season.
10:57 --> 11:01 [SPEAKER_00]: But to have a five, ninety three OPS at home is where you run into issues.
11:02 --> 11:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And Julio's never had a better home-grown split, which makes this, you know, even more fascinating.
11:08 --> 11:14 [SPEAKER_01]: His best home road split he's ever had in his career at home, his rookie area at a one sixty two WRC+.
11:14 --> 11:17 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the best he's ever had home or road in his four years.
11:18 --> 11:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Not even him on the road this year is better than what he was at home, his rookie year.
11:24 --> 11:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, nothing's changed with the ballpark.
11:26 --> 11:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Pictures do pitch them differently now.
11:27 --> 11:28 [SPEAKER_01]: That's for sure.
11:29 --> 11:31 [SPEAKER_01]: But they pitch them differently on the road too and he has no problem.
11:31 --> 11:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Not as much of a problem at least.
11:33 --> 11:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And you just want a little bit of this road production to come on at home.
11:37 --> 11:40 [SPEAKER_01]: And then we can get a little bit of improvement in who he has full season numbers.
11:41 --> 11:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And then you could see at weekends like this where Julio Homer's Randy continues to torment pictures in July and Cal Raleigh has his first mini slump I would say of the season over the last week or so.
11:54 --> 11:57 [SPEAKER_01]: But then in the last couple of days he hits Homer's number forty and forty one.
11:58 --> 12:04 [SPEAKER_01]: And you're like, okay, with a little bit more of sub, a little bit more supplemental offense, this looks really good.
12:04 --> 12:05 [SPEAKER_01]: This is something we can believe in right here.
12:06 --> 12:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Also shout out, cow, immaculate timing as soon as Judge goes on the IL, forty and forty one right out of the ball.
12:13 --> 12:35 [SPEAKER_00]: and there's odds now that have Cal Raleigh adds the MVP favorite above judge this is getting very real people this Cal Raleigh MVP race and this MVP hype has gotten very very real as if it wasn't already real before yet let me pull out the line while sometimes it is better to be lucky than good it is not to say Cal's not good but
12:36 --> 12:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Aaron Judge going on the injured list does nothing but help him.
12:39 --> 12:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Now if you continue to stay at home run every single day that Aaron judges on the injured list, when Aaron judges off the injured list, Cal Rally will be comfortably leading in the American League MVP odds.
12:50 --> 12:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll get confidently say that.
12:52 --> 12:53 [SPEAKER_00]: And we'll see how long judge is out.
12:53 --> 12:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I know he avoided a big scare, which is the good thing, and the judge isn't going to miss a bunch of time.
12:58 --> 13:00 [SPEAKER_00]: But is it going to be a week for judge?
13:00 --> 13:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Is it going to be a month for judge?
13:02 --> 13:02 [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to have to see.
13:03 --> 13:05 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's also not going to play the field when he gets back.
13:05 --> 13:06 [SPEAKER_00]: He's going to have to DH for a bit.
13:06 --> 13:08 [SPEAKER_00]: So it is interesting.
13:08 --> 13:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, I'm just going to speculate on something with Julio because all you can do on this is speculate because there's nothing that can be backed up here with a box score or with actual factual data.
13:19 --> 13:25 [SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, is it possible what's happened with him at home the last couple of years in terms of the lack of offensive production?
13:27 --> 13:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Could it be mental?
13:28 --> 13:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Could it be something about trying to live up to the hype of his startup at home and having less pressure on him in front of all the marinara fans on the road?
13:35 --> 13:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Because when you look at the box score and you look at all the numbers and you look at the underlying data, like there's not a lot you can really read into that says, well, this makes sense why this is happening.
13:46 --> 13:50 [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's head scratching why he's gone from such a good hitter at home early in his career to where it is now.
13:51 --> 13:55 [SPEAKER_00]: The only thing I could even speculate about is if it's something that potentially is the mental game.
13:57 --> 14:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I was going to say mental yes, but not mental because he's trying to impress the fans because he's also trying to impress the fans on the road.
14:04 --> 14:07 [SPEAKER_01]: There's, yeah, there's not as many, but there's still plenty people on the road.
14:08 --> 14:10 [SPEAKER_01]: People still cheer or chirpy on the road.
14:11 --> 14:12 [SPEAKER_01]: That happens wherever you go.
14:12 --> 14:15 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's, you know, there's still a lot of people out there.
14:16 --> 14:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I was actually more thinking that
14:18 --> 14:31 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the mental, it could be the mental side of just physically hitting in the ballpark and not seeing as simple as not seeing the ball carry as much makes you try to swing harder and swing harder is not a good thing.
14:32 --> 14:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Could be that.
14:34 --> 14:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, swing harder leads to power.
14:37 --> 14:37 [SPEAKER_01]: You wanna swing hard?
14:37 --> 14:41 [SPEAKER_01]: But also leads to strikeouts and getting out of your approach.
14:42 --> 14:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Or sorry, let me reword my, let me reword that.
14:44 --> 14:45 [SPEAKER_01]: That wasn't ordered correctly.
14:46 --> 14:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Swinging hard is good.
14:48 --> 14:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Trying to swing hard is not good.
14:50 --> 14:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Because trying to swing hard means you get out of your mechanics.
14:52 --> 14:53 [SPEAKER_01]: That's, I guess, more what I mean.
14:54 --> 14:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think baseball savant splits, bat speed at home versus bat speed on the road.
14:59 --> 15:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I would be curious to look at that.
15:01 --> 15:03 [SPEAKER_01]: If someone does know where to look that up,
15:03 --> 15:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Drop us a comment, send us an email, wherever, wherever's convenient for you.
15:07 --> 15:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd be curious to see that.
15:09 --> 15:13 [SPEAKER_01]: If he feels like, I guess he has to swing a little bit harder at home to make up for it.
15:15 --> 15:22 [SPEAKER_01]: But also, while it could just be baseball, that he faces better pictures at home than he does on the road, it could be that.
15:23 --> 15:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it could be.
15:25 --> 15:27 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's happened two years in a row now.
15:27 --> 15:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Isn't that a little bit of a big sample size to say, oh, he just happens to be facing good arms at home?
15:32 --> 15:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they, they, they, let's see what happens next year.
15:35 --> 15:35 [SPEAKER_00]: What's up?
15:36 --> 15:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd say, let's see what happens next year.
15:38 --> 15:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying, like, he crushed school on the road, for example.
15:41 --> 15:42 [SPEAKER_00]: That's the best picture in baseball.
15:44 --> 15:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, things did work out though.
15:46 --> 15:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, school, well, so school was the best picture in baseball, and he's incredibly nasty, and that change up he has is one of the five best pitches in baseball this year, I think.
15:57 --> 16:03 [SPEAKER_01]: He did throw it like belt buckle, eighty six, hung.
16:04 --> 16:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm just saying that's the mayor of the face good pictures on the road this year.
16:09 --> 16:09 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not.
16:09 --> 16:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
16:10 --> 16:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely, they haven't.
16:11 --> 16:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And Julio's hit them.
16:12 --> 16:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Ultimately, things like this, it's hard to point at one specific thing that that leads to this.
16:19 --> 16:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Like Julio, by the way, striking out way more at home than striking out on the road.
16:23 --> 16:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Team Old Park does increase strikeouts.
16:25 --> 16:28 [SPEAKER_01]: So you do see that with Julio, the Mariners team in general.
16:28 --> 16:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this kind of lines up with them as well.
16:30 --> 16:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Their offense is one of the best in baseball on the road and one of the worst in baseball at home.
16:36 --> 16:37 [SPEAKER_01]: How much of that is because of Julio?
16:37 --> 16:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, but if it's a whole team thing, then it's not just a Julio thing that he's hitting a lot better on the road than he is at home.
16:44 --> 16:49 [SPEAKER_01]: But we know he's just like, he's so good that you want him to hit at home.
16:49 --> 16:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, yeah, okay, buddy, someone else can use this excuse, but maybe not you.
16:55 --> 16:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I could be.
16:57 --> 17:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Ultimately, again, if he could just up those numbers at home a little bit, it would pay so many dividends.
17:02 --> 17:06 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to be a superstar hitter the way you're hitting on the road at home.
17:06 --> 17:12 [SPEAKER_00]: But if he could be league average at home and a superstar on the road, that is night and day different than what you're getting from him right now.
17:13 --> 17:15 [SPEAKER_01]: If he's a league advertiser at home, he's a legit all-star.
17:16 --> 17:18 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's what I think that's what people want to see.
17:18 --> 17:22 [SPEAKER_01]: And they want to see him get selected for an all-star game and not have to complain about it.
17:22 --> 17:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Like that happened this year.
17:24 --> 17:31 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a very reasonable and reasonable thing to say when you combine that offense.
17:31 --> 17:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's say that's a one twenty five WRC plus if he's league average at home and doing what he's currently doing on the road paired with defense paired with base running.
17:39 --> 17:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's a six win player right there.
17:42 --> 17:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I was going to say I'll take it a step further than a bona fide all star.
17:45 --> 17:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd say that's a top seven to eight finish or an MVP voting because if you're going to be a six war player, there's not many guys in the American League that are going to up you.
17:54 --> 17:55 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, so we'll see.
17:56 --> 18:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Thankfully, there are still some good road environments for Hulu to hit in down the stretch this year.
18:01 --> 18:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the only Julio's bat playing in Sacramento this week because the A score a lot of runs.
18:07 --> 18:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Nick Kurtz just had a four home run game this weekend.
18:09 --> 18:11 [SPEAKER_01]: He is terrifying, by the way, Lyle.
18:11 --> 18:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Holy smokes.
18:14 --> 18:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Do it.
18:14 --> 18:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Here.
18:15 --> 18:16 [SPEAKER_01]: This is off topic.
18:16 --> 18:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you count Nick Kurtz's four home run game?
18:21 --> 18:24 [SPEAKER_01]: When his fourth home run came against a position player.
18:24 --> 18:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's in the record books.
18:27 --> 18:28 [SPEAKER_00]: You do have to count it.
18:29 --> 18:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Now who is the you count it?
18:31 --> 18:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'll count it.
18:32 --> 18:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Now who has the more impressive game between him and my camera and let's say it's Kami because Kami did it.
18:37 --> 18:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, one Kami hit all four of his home runs so early in the game, but Kami was also doing it off actual pictures.
18:44 --> 18:45 [SPEAKER_00]: That being said,
18:46 --> 18:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Kurt's had one of the best offensive games period you may ever see.
18:50 --> 18:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he drove in eight runs.
18:52 --> 18:52 [SPEAKER_00]: He scored six.
18:52 --> 18:53 [SPEAKER_00]: He hit four homers.
18:55 --> 18:55 [SPEAKER_00]: That's pretty wild.
18:56 --> 18:57 [SPEAKER_01]: He's pretty close to having five.
18:57 --> 18:58 [SPEAKER_01]: There was a handful of ball parks.
18:59 --> 19:02 [SPEAKER_01]: His double would have gone out of, but it's the same for a lot of these guys.
19:03 --> 19:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Josh Hamilton's forehome run game.
19:05 --> 19:10 [SPEAKER_01]: He smacked a double off the middle of the centerfield wall back in twenty to eleven.
19:10 --> 19:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was.
19:11 --> 19:13 [SPEAKER_01]: These things happen with the forehome run game.
19:13 --> 19:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, very impressive.
19:14 --> 19:16 [SPEAKER_01]: That's where the Mariners are facing this weekend.
19:16 --> 19:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, not be totally shocked at some point, Lyle, given Nick Kurtz's pace that they might, they could intentionally walk him at some point.
19:25 --> 19:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Would be totally shocked.
19:26 --> 19:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I don't know.
19:28 --> 19:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Should I be mean to make a joke or no?
19:32 --> 19:33 [SPEAKER_01]: This is your podcast, dog.
19:34 --> 19:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I was going to say, or you could just have him hit a foul ball home run that actually lands in the right center field seats.
19:42 --> 19:43 [SPEAKER_01]: That was not great this weekend.
19:44 --> 19:45 [SPEAKER_00]: That was not a great call.
19:45 --> 19:54 [SPEAKER_00]: There were the home run call this weekend that said he on one of those homers that said he hit it foul, but it landed out in the right center field seats and Houston.
19:55 --> 19:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you probably saw it online if you're online because it was, it was, it did make its rounds.
20:00 --> 20:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it did.
20:00 --> 20:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you want to talk about the sortation now?
20:05 --> 20:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we can talk about the rotation.
20:07 --> 20:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
20:08 --> 20:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you people had seen my reaction that I posted on our social channels on Friday.
20:13 --> 20:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I had to get a little bit of, um, a little bit of a few thoughts off my chest when it comes to how the mariners are approaching this deadline, who they should go out and target and who they should go out and acquire.
20:25 --> 20:27 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think we can all sit here and we can agree.
20:27 --> 20:28 [SPEAKER_01]: The mariners need bats.
20:30 --> 20:31 [SPEAKER_01]: and bullpen arms.
20:31 --> 20:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Then you get a pretty good consensus for most mariner fans that that's what they need.
20:36 --> 20:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And if theoretically you shouldn't need anything from your rotation.
20:41 --> 20:44 [SPEAKER_01]: This rotation is supposed to be your anchor.
20:44 --> 20:46 [SPEAKER_01]: It's supposed to lead you where you need to go at all times.
20:47 --> 20:48 [SPEAKER_01]: And you see a match of like today on Sunday.
20:50 --> 20:52 [SPEAKER_01]: and you have Logan Gilbert versus Kyle Hendrix and you should say all right.
20:53 --> 20:55 [SPEAKER_01]: You're going out there and you're winning this game today.
20:55 --> 21:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Logan's going to outpitch Kyle Hendrix and you're going to take three or four from the angels in a game you need.
21:01 --> 21:05 [SPEAKER_01]: You can gain a game on the Astros, which by the way, the Astros got swept this week into the Mariners game.
21:05 --> 21:06 [SPEAKER_01]: One game on them.
21:07 --> 21:10 [SPEAKER_00]: One game, let me just stop you right there.
21:11 --> 21:23 [SPEAKER_00]: We had comments flooding a week ago on our social post, on our reaction after the Mariners Astros series at home, where we were pissed off that they didn't sweep them because they blew that three nothing lead on Sunday.
21:24 --> 21:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, people said relax, you guys don't take any, like you guys take everything for granted, they still just won two of three guys.
21:33 --> 21:35 [SPEAKER_00]: One, we said that they won two or three a million times.
21:35 --> 21:36 [SPEAKER_00]: We preface it with that.
21:37 --> 21:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Also, imagine what would have happened if the Mariners won that game on Sunday, help the lead, and also won one more in Anaheim this week.
21:44 --> 21:47 [SPEAKER_00]: You know how many games they'd be out of first place by right now?
21:49 --> 21:51 [SPEAKER_00]: One, if you're watching YouTube, I've got the finger up.
21:51 --> 21:53 [SPEAKER_00]: They'd be all by one game.
21:54 --> 21:55 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a reason we were mad last Sunday.
21:56 --> 22:02 [SPEAKER_00]: That was a monumental game that they ended up kind of, not kind of, that they ended up blowing.
22:03 --> 22:09 [SPEAKER_00]: that could have a serious change of, like, could have a serious course of action in how the rest of the season goes in terms of the ALS.
22:11 --> 22:27 [SPEAKER_01]: And unfortunately, and unfortunately, a big reason they lost both of those games allow, which is to get back to the point of this topic I want to bring up, is the starting rotation, because Brian Wu last Sunday had a three nothing lead and coughed it up.
22:27 --> 22:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Logan Gilbert today didn't have a lead.
22:29 --> 22:34 [SPEAKER_01]: It was a scoreless game was cruising right along, gave up a four spot in the fifth inning.
22:35 --> 22:46 [SPEAKER_01]: And those are just two like two little things and what has been a season long trend for this rotation where there have been points where they have been very, very, very, very good.
22:46 --> 22:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And then there's points where they have looked like a middleing rotation unit, which should not happen.
22:52 --> 22:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Based off the names and the talent, they have on this roster.
22:55 --> 23:04 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not right now saying, a hundred percent, you need to go remove somebody from the rotation and go trade for a starter at this deadline.
23:06 --> 23:18 [SPEAKER_01]: But if this rotation continues to float in the middle of baseball in terms of production, and they're not taking this step forward, are we so sure they should rule something out?
23:19 --> 23:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Are we so sure?
23:23 --> 23:25 [SPEAKER_00]: You just said to me a couple of minutes ago, this is your podcast.
23:25 --> 23:26 [SPEAKER_00]: You can do what you want.
23:27 --> 23:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to spin it right back at you.
23:28 --> 23:29 [SPEAKER_00]: This is your podcast.
23:29 --> 23:31 [SPEAKER_00]: You can do what you want, but
23:32 --> 23:54 [SPEAKER_00]: you talking about the idea of the Mariners trading for two months of Dillon Seas is probably how a lot of fans feel when I get yapping about Kyle Tucker which by the way I'll continue to do because they're going to get them but point being how I feel about you yapping about the Mariners trading for Dillon Seas is probably how a lot of fans feel when I talk about Kyle Tucker because those fans would say to me what
23:55 --> 24:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm probably going to say to you here and just like I don't believe what the fans say you may not believe what I say, but I'm going to sit here and say it's probably a waste of your energy because I don't think it's happening.
24:05 --> 24:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Is it the worst idea in the world though?
24:08 --> 24:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not necessarily saying it's a bad idea.
24:10 --> 24:14 [SPEAKER_00]: It just feels like the Mariners aren't even considering that.
24:14 --> 24:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I doubt they've even called the Padre's about the potential idea.
24:17 --> 24:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so either.
24:18 --> 24:25 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's it's not some easy logistical decision to make because if you trade for Dylan sees, you're going to have to remove one of
24:26 --> 24:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Assuming Bryce Miller comes back, Bryce, Brian Wu, Logan Gilbert, George Kirby, and Luis Castillo.
24:32 --> 24:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, the question will be, who do you take out of the rotation if you're trading for donancies?
24:36 --> 24:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know the answer to that question.
24:39 --> 24:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have a definitive answer for you right now on who do you take out of the rotation.
24:45 --> 24:47 [SPEAKER_01]: But I also sit here and look at it this way.
24:48 --> 24:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Because I said at the beginning of my rant here, that the Mariners need to go upgrade and get bats at the deadline.
24:55 --> 24:58 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners offense this year ranks higher than the Mariners pitching staff does this year.
24:59 --> 25:04 [SPEAKER_01]: And you would say, guys, you also said you want to address the Mariners bullpen heading into this deadline right now.
25:05 --> 25:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's fair, bullpen pitches the minority of innings for this team, not the majority, the minority of innings for this team.
25:13 --> 25:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd say a lot of what has lacked in terms of the run prevention this year has been the performance by the starting rotation.
25:21 --> 25:32 [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't, I don't really like as much sitting here and saying, oh, we're gonna, we need to, the mayor needs to slam dunk upgrade one of the best units of their team without a doubt.
25:33 --> 25:43 [SPEAKER_01]: But the unit that's struggling the most in year ten needing to make the playoffs and one of the weakest American League's ever doesn't need to be upgraded right now.
25:44 --> 25:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't, I don't understand that.
25:47 --> 25:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Are we in the trust tree here?
25:48 --> 25:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I think so.
25:52 --> 25:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't see this has not been very good this year.
25:55 --> 25:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Great.
25:56 --> 25:57 [SPEAKER_01]: So is your rotation?
25:57 --> 25:58 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not been very good.
25:58 --> 25:58 [SPEAKER_01]: But you know what?
25:58 --> 26:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't see says better stuff than most guys in your rotation.
26:03 --> 26:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Does he?
26:04 --> 26:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
26:05 --> 26:07 [SPEAKER_00]: He has great stuff, but so to, so to a lot.
26:07 --> 26:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, okay, stuff wise, yes, that like,
26:11 --> 26:23 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're talking about the pure stuff on his pitches, it may be only rivals Logan, because his good as Brian moves fastballs are, like his stuff of his breaking balls is not what Dillon C says, obviously.
26:23 --> 26:31 [SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, Dillon C says he already is sitting at four six and by baseball reference, he's worth not even a full win this year.
26:31 --> 26:33 [SPEAKER_00]: And the guys made twenty one starts.
26:34 --> 26:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not even going to say this is going to work out, but it's just all about what kind of risk you want to take in the position you're in right now.
26:43 --> 26:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you want to risk that you make your acquisitions for bullpen and offense of the deadline and your rotation continues to not perform in the Rangers pass you up who by the way have tied you right now.
26:56 --> 26:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you want to risk that?
26:57 --> 27:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Because your rotation implodes and just, and think about this thing about it this way, right?
27:02 --> 27:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Because you believe in this rotation and the rotation is going to be the long term success of this team and you hope to invest a lot of money in those guys and keep them here a long time.
27:12 --> 27:15 [SPEAKER_01]: If the rotation doesn't perform at the end of the year and you miss the playoffs,
27:16 --> 27:17 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you say?
27:17 --> 27:23 [SPEAKER_01]: If it's like the worst unit on your team, you get to that jury to photo end of season press conference.
27:24 --> 27:26 [SPEAKER_01]: The role, the bullpen you added to was good.
27:26 --> 27:28 [SPEAKER_01]: The offense you added to was good.
27:28 --> 27:30 [SPEAKER_01]: The rotation you added to was right in the middle.
27:30 --> 27:32 [SPEAKER_01]: You didn't add to his right in the middle of baseball.
27:32 --> 27:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And you miss the playoffs in your ten and you're sitting on one appearance in ten seasons.
27:37 --> 27:37 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you say?
27:39 --> 27:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Jerry's gonna pull out a four point two five week stretch and where they were the fourth best rotation and baseball at home.
27:48 --> 27:50 [SPEAKER_00]: And he'll say that in his in his presser then the year.
27:52 --> 27:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Can I get a serious answer?
27:54 --> 27:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Or that was a serious.
27:55 --> 27:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's half serious.
27:56 --> 27:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's what he does.
27:57 --> 28:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Like do you think that like do you think I'm I'm totally making that up?
28:02 --> 28:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Like you know like you know he extrapolates numbers like that to use in his press conferences.
28:07 --> 28:08 [SPEAKER_00]: If you want a serious answer,
28:09 --> 28:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what they'd say.
28:10 --> 28:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you cannot, you, I can't fault them for not wanting to trade for a starting pitcher.
28:18 --> 28:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, because like you just said, when all five guys are healthy and it's the five that you expected to start the year with, Castillo Gilbert Kirby Wu Miller,
28:28 --> 28:30 [SPEAKER_00]: who do you yank out of that rotation?
28:30 --> 28:39 [SPEAKER_00]: You would have to make it incredibly difficult to position one that might ruffle some feathers in that clubhouse for a guy that like if it's Dylan sees if that's the example we're using.
28:40 --> 28:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, hasn't been all that great this year.
28:42 --> 28:49 [SPEAKER_00]: And I know he's had two top five Si Young finishes in his career and both of them have come within the last four seasons.
28:50 --> 28:51 [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't really
28:53 --> 28:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what you say.
28:54 --> 29:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I honestly don't have a good answer for this because I don't want to sit up there and say and hear them say how, well, things will just get fixed next year because our rotation shouldn't do this again.
29:03 --> 29:06 [SPEAKER_00]: That's, I mean, that's just blind.
29:06 --> 29:06 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a loser talk.
29:07 --> 29:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to hear about next year.
29:08 --> 29:13 [SPEAKER_00]: No, it is total loser talk and it's also blind faith because you can't predict injuries in a rotation.
29:14 --> 29:15 [SPEAKER_00]: You can't predict regression in a rotation.
29:16 --> 29:16 [SPEAKER_00]: It's too hard.
29:17 --> 29:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to hear that.
29:19 --> 29:20 [SPEAKER_00]: But I also
29:21 --> 29:36 [SPEAKER_00]: like I don't know how to sit there and get mad at them that they didn't trade for a starter so I again like I don't really know what the answer is here which is why I gave the answer that he's gonna say like oh in a four point two five week stretch on Tuesdays at home in the month of May to the month of July we were the best rotation of baseball.
29:38 --> 29:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll say this at what point do you want to take a risk to to to upgrade your roster your entire roster not just your offense like if you're sitting there thinking it's like how desperate are they.
29:51 --> 29:52 [SPEAKER_01]: at this deadline.
29:53 --> 29:55 [SPEAKER_01]: They always like to make calculated moves.
29:55 --> 29:59 [SPEAKER_01]: They like good values like Josh Nailer that's exactly what that trade was.
30:00 --> 30:05 [SPEAKER_01]: They saw a good a very good player for the right price as a rental and they went out and they were aggressive and they got them.
30:05 --> 30:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
30:08 --> 30:11 [SPEAKER_01]: At what point do you sit there and think?
30:12 --> 30:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I do love this rotation, but we need to be better for two months and we can't just wait and hope that they'll be better for two months.
30:21 --> 30:22 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to throw it back to you now.
30:22 --> 30:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to get past Dylan sees if you want to trade for a rotation arm like
30:29 --> 30:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I gotta hear some names.
30:30 --> 30:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, who do you want?
30:31 --> 30:38 [SPEAKER_00]: If it's, say, not delincees, and we get past him, and it wouldn't be him, especially because there's no lock that he's been that great anyway.
30:39 --> 30:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Who do you want?
30:40 --> 30:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, Seth Lugo as we're sitting here recording on Sunday night, just signed an extension to stay in Kansas City.
30:45 --> 30:46 [SPEAKER_00]: So he's off the table.
30:47 --> 30:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, do you want Joe Ryan?
30:48 --> 30:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Look, he's a stud, but he's got two and a half years of control, so that's not some rental thing.
30:52 --> 30:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Not only would he cost you the world, but you would be seriously shuffling around your rotation,
30:59 --> 31:02 [SPEAKER_00]: to the point where you're probably trading a starter away if you trade for Joe Ryan.
31:02 --> 31:06 [SPEAKER_00]: You get past Joe Ryan, you get past Seth Lugo, you get past still in cease.
31:07 --> 31:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know who you're trading for that you would say, yeah, I'm yanking somebody out of this rotation for somebody we'd acquire.
31:13 --> 31:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't really know.
31:14 --> 31:16 [SPEAKER_00]: How does Sunny Gray sound?
31:18 --> 31:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Like uninspiring?
31:21 --> 31:22 [SPEAKER_00]: He struck a lot of batters out.
31:24 --> 31:30 [SPEAKER_00]: That's the guy you're yanking somebody out of the rotation for like thirty six year old sunny gray.
31:30 --> 31:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not getting him out of the rotation, but I'm saying if the Mariners sit there and they think that they need to go they want they've decided they want better production out of the rotation.
31:41 --> 31:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I'm going to use this again.
31:43 --> 31:49 [SPEAKER_00]: At least just by baseball reference, sunny gray is not even worth a full win this year.
31:49 --> 31:50 [SPEAKER_00]: He's made twenty one starts.
31:52 --> 31:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what starter you're training for here.
31:55 --> 32:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying there's a perfect option out there, but what I am saying is that there's a deadline coming up on Thursday.
32:05 --> 32:08 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners are under the pressure of having to make the playoffs.
32:08 --> 32:09 [SPEAKER_01]: They have to.
32:09 --> 32:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think they know that too.
32:12 --> 32:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And that they could be prepared to do anything.
32:14 --> 32:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's why I like C-stalk.
32:16 --> 32:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, based on all the the starters that are available, there's not like a slam dunk ace besides Joe Ryan available.
32:23 --> 32:27 [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think the managers are giving up the cost to go get Joe Ryan at this point.
32:27 --> 32:34 [SPEAKER_01]: The rest of the guys are all older and definitely not as productive as some of the members of this starting rotation and certainly wouldn't be perfect.
32:35 --> 32:47 [SPEAKER_01]: But if you sit there and think that a guy could be a fit for your rotation and you are desperate, desperate for better production, then yeah, then maybe you go do it.
32:48 --> 32:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Because like what's the other option?
32:50 --> 32:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Is the Mariners front office going to go walk down into the clubhouse, sit the starting rotation down and say, guys,
32:56 --> 32:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Got a pitch better.
32:57 --> 32:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Like we need you to pitch better.
32:58 --> 33:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise we're getting fired in two months.
33:00 --> 33:02 [SPEAKER_00]: They do need them to hit those two options.
33:02 --> 33:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, they do need them to pitch better.
33:04 --> 33:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry.
33:04 --> 33:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Like that's the solution here.
33:06 --> 33:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Logan Gilbert and George Kirby have to pitch like Logan Gilbert and George Kirby because otherwise no moves you make are going to even be relevant.
33:12 --> 33:14 [SPEAKER_00]: If those two don't pitch the way they're supposed to pitch.
33:16 --> 33:18 [SPEAKER_00]: They are not going to be a playoff team.
33:18 --> 33:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's basically playing in simple.
33:20 --> 33:22 [SPEAKER_00]: And look, I know Kirby went six and two this weekend.
33:22 --> 33:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I know he gave them, I know he gave them length and he and they won his start and he ultimately came out of it with pretty decent numbers.
33:32 --> 33:34 [SPEAKER_00]: But like he labored his way through that one.
33:34 --> 33:36 [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't the cleanest six and two in the world.
33:36 --> 33:38 [SPEAKER_00]: He really had to battle through some innings at points.
33:39 --> 33:45 [SPEAKER_00]: And George Kirby still has a hole in the year, like just hasn't quite looked like the George Kirby we're used to seeing.
33:45 --> 33:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, Logan Gilbert, in his previous start, looked like Pete Logan Gilbert, and through a few innings here on Sunday, it was looking like the same thing.
33:54 --> 33:55 [SPEAKER_00]: And then it all collapsed.
33:55 --> 33:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Now he got royally fucked by the Empire behind the play today.
33:59 --> 34:01 [SPEAKER_00]: That was a joke.
34:01 --> 34:05 [SPEAKER_00]: The Empire and crew all weekend was a flat out of the race.
34:05 --> 34:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's just a blanket at statement.
34:07 --> 34:09 [SPEAKER_00]: An Empire and crew fucking sucks.
34:09 --> 34:10 [SPEAKER_00]: What a like, what a shocker.
34:11 --> 34:15 [SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, Logan to be fair did kind of let it unravel.
34:15 --> 34:20 [SPEAKER_00]: That Empire and crew was a total disgrace and should be legitimately fined and sent down to the miners.
34:22 --> 34:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Logan Logan's got to find a way to put that behind him a little bit and not have the ending unravel.
34:28 --> 34:28 [SPEAKER_00]: So yes.
34:29 --> 34:31 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what it's going to come down to.
34:31 --> 34:37 [SPEAKER_00]: And I know it sucks to feel like, well, we can't go acquire something to fix an issue and essentially duct tape an issue.
34:38 --> 34:43 [SPEAKER_00]: But it is going to have to come through those two guys if you ask me to have this season be what you want it to be.
34:43 --> 34:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Those two have to pitch like aces to top end starters.
34:48 --> 34:51 [SPEAKER_00]: It can't really be what it's been for a lot of this year where Logan's not giving him a length.
34:52 --> 34:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Kirby's not quite given him the efficiency that he's had in years past.
34:56 --> 34:57 [SPEAKER_00]: It has to be through that.
34:58 --> 35:05 [SPEAKER_01]: And we're not even mentioning here an issue that will probably pop up or not an issue, but a conversation we're going to have within the next few weeks.
35:06 --> 35:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Our guy Logan Evans has been pitching very well at the major league level, but Bryce Miller's going to pitch in a rehab start this week.
35:13 --> 35:13 [SPEAKER_01]: What?
35:13 --> 35:14 [SPEAKER_01]: This week, right?
35:14 --> 35:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I would assume Bryce is going to throw at least two rehab outings if not three.
35:20 --> 35:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I would still imagine Bryce is a couple weeks away.
35:23 --> 35:25 [SPEAKER_00]: So then you can make that decision when you need to make it.
35:25 --> 35:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, I'll throw the idea out there because we assume Logan Evans is on some innings limit.
35:32 --> 35:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I would assume that's also part of the reason he only went five innings the other day and got pulled after seventy five-ish pitches.
35:41 --> 35:44 [SPEAKER_00]: is because they're monitoring his workload, which would make sense.
35:45 --> 35:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, again, he threw about a hundred innings last year.
35:48 --> 35:50 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not going to go throw a hundred and eighty innings or something like that this year.
35:50 --> 35:52 [SPEAKER_00]: They are smart to manage his workload.
35:53 --> 36:01 [SPEAKER_00]: But George has had injury issues and Logan's had injury issues and Logan Evans is on an innings limit and Bryce is battling the bone spur.
36:02 --> 36:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, as there's some world they think about going with a six man rotation down the stretch.
36:06 --> 36:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I know I know that starters hate that and they hate to get out of their routine and they hate to have things twisted around in the middle of the year.
36:14 --> 36:18 [SPEAKER_00]: But if you're worried about all these injuries and you think the extra days arrest might help some guys, is it a thought?
36:19 --> 36:33 [SPEAKER_01]: a thought sure, especially given how the Mariners use their bullpen because they essentially ignore the last spot in the bullpen for some reason they pretend like they only have twelve pictures instead of thirteen pictures, but I don't think it's actually going to happen.
36:33 --> 36:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I think price is going to come up when he's back and Logan's going to go back down to coma where they can
36:39 --> 36:50 [SPEAKER_01]: very closely monitor his innings and throw essentially throw him to the exact pitch count that they want before pulling him out of the game because the games don't really matter as much into coma as they do up in Seattle.
36:51 --> 36:56 [SPEAKER_01]: But the conversation allows, I mean, I was going to bring up in this case is what is Bryce Miller going to look like.
36:57 --> 37:08 [SPEAKER_01]: because I think the Mariners want Bryce Miller to look like Bryce Miller of last year, over the final, probably a little bit less than two months, he's gonna spin this rotation down the stretch.
37:09 --> 37:09 [SPEAKER_01]: What if he doesn't?
37:12 --> 37:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Then do you go back to Logan Evans?
37:14 --> 37:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you might, but this is, again, this is part of the conversation of acquiring his starter, right?
37:20 --> 37:24 [SPEAKER_01]: So if Bryce looks like Bryce of earlier this year,
37:27 --> 37:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, then that kind of answers the question for you of Logan Evans on an innings limit or going out and getting a starter who might actually be really good for you.
37:38 --> 37:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I just don't know who that's gonna be.
37:39 --> 37:44 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think if the Mariners are gonna give up significant capital, it's not gonna be for a starter.
37:44 --> 37:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I would just be very surprised, especially a rental starter.
37:47 --> 37:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I think if Bryce doesn't look like Bryce Miller, yeah, they'll just let Logan get back into the rotation and continue to pitch, and they'll just monitor his workload.
37:56 --> 37:59 [SPEAKER_00]: And then obviously when you get to the playoffs, you don't need all five starters.
38:00 --> 38:06 [SPEAKER_00]: So if Logan's reached his full innings threshold by then, then they would just shut him down and use the other guys.
38:08 --> 38:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And again, we support Logan M in so much and I understand the pitch count thing here, but as you're like, you're moving down the stretch and you're like, you're just looking for like the maximum output from your rotation, right?
38:21 --> 38:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Because you're trying to make the playoffs, playoffs is the goal here.
38:24 --> 38:28 [SPEAKER_01]: And you need every starter to do everything they can in this point.
38:29 --> 38:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, that's where it comes back to like innings limit Logan or potentially having a starter at the deadline.
38:38 --> 38:41 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, do you, if you're Jerry depoto, do you want to risk that?
38:42 --> 38:59 [SPEAKER_01]: You get like, you have Logan, you have Logan Evans who could only throw four innings on a given night because of a pitch count they put them on in an innings limit and then you have to put your bullpen out there for five innings and then your bullpen can get lit up because you have to pitch the middle of relievers and you might have to pitch that eighth guy in the bullpen.
38:59 --> 39:00 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't trust as much.
39:01 --> 39:14 [SPEAKER_00]: So you're worried about the bullpen brings me to the conclusion I was always going to get to, which is if you're serious about the Mariners wanting to take a significant swing and a risk and really push their chips in at the deadline, then go trade for two legit dudes in the bullpen.
39:15 --> 39:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Go trade for two top end bullpen arms.
39:17 --> 39:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Like if you want to see them take a risk,
39:20 --> 39:24 [SPEAKER_00]: go get grip and jacks and geowan derand or geowan derand if both of them are available.
39:24 --> 39:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Now that's going to cost an absolute haul in a half where you're going to seriously empty out some of your prospect capital.
39:31 --> 39:37 [SPEAKER_00]: But that will logistically make a lot more sense than going out and trying to trade for a starter.
39:38 --> 39:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Because I think your starters are who they are and you have them in your system already.
39:43 --> 39:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, if you want to go trade for jacks and Iran, that's taking a swing.
39:47 --> 39:49 [SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of pushing, I mean, not kind of.
39:49 --> 39:50 [SPEAKER_00]: That is pushing your chips in.
39:50 --> 39:53 [SPEAKER_00]: And then you have a vote kind of by the way.
39:53 --> 39:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Then it's then it's Muno's brush, jacks, Iran, Spire.
39:58 --> 40:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Bizarro's the sixth and like Vargas is the eighth guy and you pick somebody else to be the seventh guy.
40:04 --> 40:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if those first five that really jumped out, that doesn't really solve the situation I just laid out.
40:11 --> 40:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Like it makes your bullpen a lot better.
40:12 --> 40:15 [SPEAKER_01]: It makes it a little easier, but it doesn't solve the problem.
40:17 --> 40:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I just problem is you can't pitch your bullpen five innings every fifth day.
40:23 --> 40:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I just think they're gonna roll with what they have in house.
40:26 --> 40:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And even if, and if you're probably right, you're probably right.
40:28 --> 40:33 [SPEAKER_01]: But that doesn't necessarily mean that it's the safest decision to make.
40:35 --> 40:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, maybe not.
40:36 --> 40:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And look, if they get into the postseason, you only have to use four starters and you could decide who those starters will be.
40:43 --> 40:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes guys on, or teams only use three could be three.
40:46 --> 40:49 [SPEAKER_00]: But I get what you're saying that you have to find a way to get there.
40:50 --> 40:52 [SPEAKER_00]: for the next two months.
40:52 --> 40:54 [SPEAKER_00]: That's the other part of this, right?
40:54 --> 41:03 [SPEAKER_00]: If you were going to trade for Dylan Seas and you want him to try to get you into the playoffs and get you over the top, they get a knock topper as he even pitching in that playoff rotation.
41:03 --> 41:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't confidently say yes.
41:06 --> 41:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, still, if you're trading for Dylan Seas, he's in your playoff rotation.
41:11 --> 41:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly my point you have to make that trade with the assumption he's pitching in the postseason for you.
41:15 --> 41:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I want to twenty twenty five Dylan sees pitching in the postseason for me.
41:18 --> 41:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want him over Logan.
41:19 --> 41:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want him over Wu.
41:21 --> 41:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I probably wouldn't.
41:23 --> 41:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Probably wouldn't take him over Kirby.
41:25 --> 41:30 [SPEAKER_00]: And then it's about like Castillo and it's and it's Miller and it's yeah, like I
41:31 --> 41:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
41:33 --> 41:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, just plain and simple, Dylan sees has not been primed, Dylan sees this year.
41:37 --> 41:37 [SPEAKER_00]: It's that simple.
41:38 --> 41:51 [SPEAKER_00]: He has been a little bit unlucky because his fit is about a whole point lower than where ZRA is, but the results scream that this has not been a strongest year, his whip sitting at one three, and he just hasn't been that valuable.
41:51 --> 41:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, are you seriously taking him in a playoff rotation over the guys you already have in house?
41:55 --> 41:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not
41:56 --> 42:04 [SPEAKER_00]: confidently saying, yes, you might be able to convince me in an argument, but I'm not confidently stamping my approval on Dylan Sees and a playoff rotation this year.
42:05 --> 42:14 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a fair argument to make, but I would just be more worried about August and September over October at this point because those two months matters more than the latter month does right now.
42:16 --> 42:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if you're that set on a starter, do you just want to find some Tyler Anderson type guy to make a future?
42:23 --> 42:24 [SPEAKER_01]: It does not have to be Dylan Sees.
42:25 --> 42:31 [SPEAKER_01]: But an arm to go out there every fit day and potentially throw six innings for you is not the worst idea in the world, I don't think.
42:32 --> 42:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't mean Tyler Anderson specifically.
42:34 --> 42:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean some version of the Tyler Anderson they traded for in twenty twenty one where he gave him a few starts and gave him a veteran rotation arm.
42:40 --> 42:44 [SPEAKER_01]: No, a lot of they can go trade for Kyle Hendrick's now apparently he's back.
42:45 --> 42:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm going to have to get blanked by him anymore.
42:49 --> 42:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Solving, solving two problems at once.
42:53 --> 42:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Fill a rotation spot and make sure you never have to face Kyle Hendrix ever again this season.
42:58 --> 42:59 [SPEAKER_01]: That's very positive.
42:59 --> 42:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
42:59 --> 43:00 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
43:00 --> 43:04 [SPEAKER_00]: We got two more topics to get to the way the show's flowing.
43:04 --> 43:10 [SPEAKER_00]: We should probably get to genome next and we'll save some serious positivity for the end because we are going to talk about each row for a bit.
43:12 --> 43:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so we were talking through what could happen with genome here and let's start it with this because this is the primary topic.
43:18 --> 43:22 [SPEAKER_00]: The asking price for him right now is out of this world.
43:23 --> 43:28 [SPEAKER_01]: And we'll also note that we did not note on Friday's episode because we were looking at the information.
43:28 --> 43:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I think then as we were recording, the Mariners still did say that Gino is a priority for them.
43:34 --> 43:36 [SPEAKER_01]: So that has been out there.
43:36 --> 43:46 [SPEAKER_01]: There has been three different reports that the Mariners are going to be ultra aggressive at this deadline, whether it be for Gino or whether it be in general for other guys in baseball.
43:46 --> 43:52 [SPEAKER_01]: So it wouldn't be the most shocking thing in the world to see the Mariners give up on good package to get a really good player to come back.
43:54 --> 44:06 [SPEAKER_01]: The reports coming out about what the cost would be for a UNEO swars to be a mariner or on any other team right now at this point on Sunday is incredibly high.
44:07 --> 44:18 [SPEAKER_01]: So Francis Romero reported this, he tweeted this out about why the Yankees, who, by the way, over the weekend, went and traded for a third basement, but they didn't trade for Gino.
44:19 --> 44:20 [SPEAKER_01]: They went and traded for Ryan McMahon of the Rocky.
44:21 --> 44:23 [SPEAKER_01]: So we were like, no, no, no, no, no.
44:23 --> 44:23 [SPEAKER_01]: We don't want him.
44:24 --> 44:25 [SPEAKER_01]: We don't want him.
44:25 --> 44:27 [SPEAKER_01]: And then the Yankees solved that problem for us by trading for him.
44:28 --> 44:29 [SPEAKER_00]: In which I say, in which I say,
44:32 --> 44:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I wanted no part of Ryan McMahon zero zilch not a none he can't hit strikes out he would have been awful in this ballpark is making way too much money.
44:43 --> 45:00 [SPEAKER_01]: The big reason that the Yankees did not go for Gino and that they pivoted to McMahon because they definitely were talking to the job of acts about Gino, but Romero reports that the talks between the Yankees and the Diamondback stalled because the Diamondback's were asking for a major league player.
45:01 --> 45:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Another high level prospect in double layer AAA, and then one lower level prospect.
45:07 --> 45:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Mind you, this is for two months of genome.
45:11 --> 45:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Not two years, two months of genome.
45:14 --> 45:24 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the cost, a big leager, a double layer AAA prospect, and a lower level prospect in high A or low A. That's the cost right now.
45:24 --> 45:28 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're a mariner fan, are you comfortable giving that up for genome?
45:31 --> 45:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Some people may say yes, that is a lot.
45:33 --> 45:40 [SPEAKER_00]: To give somebody off your big league roster and a good prospect and a lottery ticket, it's a lot.
45:41 --> 45:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Now the other argument is there has never been a thirty five home run player traded for at the deadline.
45:46 --> 45:47 [SPEAKER_00]: It's never happened.
45:48 --> 45:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Gina will be the first, if it goes down, if a trade is executed.
45:53 --> 46:01 [SPEAKER_00]: So there's two sides of this, unprecedented player being dangled out there and a team not wanting to trade that type of haul for a rental.
46:03 --> 46:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Think about this, when I looked at the Mariners options to trade, whatever combination of players you put together for like that package, have fun with it.
46:12 --> 46:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Leave us your suggested trades in the comments.
46:15 --> 46:19 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a whole bunch of options for you to piece that together.
46:20 --> 46:27 [SPEAKER_01]: But whatever combo you piece together, I honestly don't think the farm system looks that much different after trading for genome.
46:28 --> 46:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Like you overpay.
46:29 --> 46:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's an overpay by far.
46:33 --> 46:34 [SPEAKER_01]: But then you look at the farms system.
46:34 --> 46:37 [SPEAKER_01]: You're like, oh, the farm system didn't drop it all on the rankings.
46:38 --> 46:42 [SPEAKER_01]: They didn't lose really any blue chip prospects in this trade.
46:43 --> 46:47 [SPEAKER_01]: This team still has depth on depth on depth when it comes to prospects.
46:48 --> 46:52 [SPEAKER_01]: And this year, and next year, and the year after that.
46:53 --> 46:54 [SPEAKER_01]: So at that point, why not?
46:56 --> 46:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
46:57 --> 47:08 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you look, if we want to start digging into the weeds of trade deadline conspiracies here, there's a couple, but we can highlight, we can highlight them in different points here.
47:09 --> 47:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Luke Rayley hasn't played in three straight days as we sit here recording on Sunday night.
47:14 --> 47:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, I don't know what's behind that.
47:16 --> 47:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if he's battling some minor injury that hasn't really been disclosed.
47:20 --> 47:21 [SPEAKER_00]: That is a little odd.
47:21 --> 47:26 [SPEAKER_00]: The mayor is a face rightease in this angel series, but Luke Rayleigh hasn't played in three days.
47:29 --> 47:32 [SPEAKER_01]: If you could trade Luke Rayleigh for Gino, would you do it?
47:33 --> 47:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
47:34 --> 47:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I would because if the package was Luke Rayleigh, a top-hundred prospect, let's assume it would be Harry Ford or Michael O'Royal, right?
47:43 --> 47:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't imagine you're giving up.
47:46 --> 47:47 [SPEAKER_00]: with a big league player.
47:47 --> 47:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Prospects that are going to rank much higher than that.
47:49 --> 47:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I like that they're not given up felony and they're not given up for Melo.
47:52 --> 47:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's actually there's certainly not given up for Melo.
47:55 --> 47:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I think he's one of their guys that they are like very.
47:58 --> 48:00 [SPEAKER_01]: You're giving up Luke Rayleigh.
48:00 --> 48:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you do have to give up a top one hundred prospect.
48:02 --> 48:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you're giving up a legit big leader who when he's healthy is a seven fifty to eight hundred OPS.
48:08 --> 48:10 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's three years of control, by the way.
48:11 --> 48:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, thirty five home run player never traded the deadline.
48:14 --> 48:20 [SPEAKER_00]: And you got to keep in mind, the Mariners have to outbid a lot of other teams.
48:20 --> 48:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I know people were excited when they saw the Yankees traded for McMahon because you saw a very prominent team get taken out of the Gino sweepstakes and you think to yourself, oh, does this put the Mariners at the front?
48:29 --> 48:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know where they stand.
48:31 --> 48:34 [SPEAKER_00]: But there's a lot of teams in on Gino you guys.
48:35 --> 48:37 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not just the Yankees and the Mariners.
48:37 --> 48:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the Phillies are in on Gino.
48:41 --> 48:43 [SPEAKER_00]: The tigers are in on Gino.
48:43 --> 48:45 [SPEAKER_00]: The Rangers and Astros may both be in on Gino.
48:45 --> 48:47 [SPEAKER_00]: The Astros we've heard some reports about.
48:47 --> 48:50 [SPEAKER_00]: For all we know, there's mystery teams in on Gino.
48:50 --> 48:53 [SPEAKER_00]: The, you know, the, the Blue Jays could be in on Gino for all we know.
48:54 --> 48:55 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of teams out there.
48:55 --> 48:57 [SPEAKER_00]: The brewers could be another.
48:57 --> 49:00 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of teams out there that are calling Arizona about A.U.
49:00 --> 49:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Henny Oswaris.
49:01 --> 49:07 [SPEAKER_00]: So the mariners are going to have to put together a package if they want to win these sweepstakes that out, that's the rest of those teams.
49:08 --> 49:12 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, could you get away with it not trading for a top-hundred prospect?
49:12 --> 49:14 [SPEAKER_00]: It's possible if you were to trade away Luke Rayleigh.
49:15 --> 49:17 [SPEAKER_00]: But what are you going to do to win the deal?
49:17 --> 49:19 [SPEAKER_00]: What are you going to do to output the other teams?
49:19 --> 49:22 [SPEAKER_00]: It may take, let's say, Luke Rayleigh, Harry Ford, and a lottery ticket.
49:24 --> 49:28 [SPEAKER_01]: trading loop really like that that's a pretty big blow to your roster.
49:29 --> 49:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but to answer your question, I guess I totally dodged the original question you asked.
49:33 --> 49:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Let me answer.
49:35 --> 49:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd probably do it.
49:37 --> 49:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I do it.
49:39 --> 49:41 [SPEAKER_00]: That's not a good podcast answer and probably is not a good answer.
49:41 --> 49:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I do it.
49:42 --> 49:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And I say that for this reason.
49:45 --> 49:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it's a blow to your roster.
49:46 --> 49:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, Luke Rayleigh has a lot of club control.
49:48 --> 49:54 [SPEAKER_00]: But I just listened to you, yeah, for the last half hour and here about how you have to push your chips in and it has to be about this year and it has to be about winning now.
49:55 --> 50:03 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you go get the two best bats on the market in genome and nailer, not only does it signal that, but you still have options for right field going forward.
50:03 --> 50:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, one.
50:05 --> 50:25 [SPEAKER_00]: the cattle took her guys going to be out there next winter so you can obviously just simply throw him every penny you own and give him the contract and he comes in place here so that's one easily fixable solution and if it was up to me I'm doing that right now all right now to get past that if you if they don't do that in which I will throw a tantrum if they don't do that
50:26 --> 50:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, then come twenty twenty six.
50:28 --> 50:32 [SPEAKER_00]: You still have Dom Canzone and Victor Robles, who could service a platoon in right field.
50:33 --> 50:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Dom would hit against the right.
50:34 --> 50:35 [SPEAKER_00]: He's Robles would hit against the lefties.
50:35 --> 50:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Robles can also come in later in the game as a defensive replacement if you need them.
50:40 --> 50:44 [SPEAKER_00]: There is options for right field going forward in twenty twenty six.
50:44 --> 50:54 [SPEAKER_00]: So to move off of Luke Rayley for Gino doesn't totally hamper your future plans, especially if you believe what you're now seeing from Dom Canzone is real and could stick long term.
50:56 --> 50:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I do it.
50:57 --> 51:00 [SPEAKER_01]: This brings back a second question.
51:01 --> 51:05 [SPEAKER_01]: What are the Diamondbacks actually are okay keeping genome?
51:06 --> 51:17 [SPEAKER_01]: What if they're only okay trading him at the deadline if they're going to get this egregious overpay of a contract or an egregious overpay of a trade?
51:18 --> 51:25 [SPEAKER_01]: They sell off some of their other pieces to restock their farm system or add some supplementary pieces to the roster, but they realize, look,
51:26 --> 51:27 [SPEAKER_01]: We really like Gino.
51:27 --> 51:43 [SPEAKER_01]: We actually might want to sign Gino to an extension after the season or offer him a contract when he hits free agency and he wants to stay and he thinks it would be sort of like a token of appreciation if they don't trade him at this deadline and help themselves when he is a free agent and they can go out and they could sign him long term.
51:45 --> 51:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Like what if that's like what if that's a case and if he walks oh well we offered you a QO and we get a draft pick out of it.
51:53 --> 51:58 [SPEAKER_00]: The longer this trade deadline goes on, the more I think that's actually some possibility.
51:59 --> 52:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Because of what you just mentioned, it's not like the Diamondbacks walk away empty handed if they don't trade genome.
52:03 --> 52:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Because they're either going to get them back.
52:05 --> 52:06 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, genome likes it there.
52:07 --> 52:07 [SPEAKER_00]: He's talked about it.
52:07 --> 52:09 [SPEAKER_00]: He's talked about how he doesn't want to leave.
52:10 --> 52:14 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think there's absolutely a world he would sign an extension in Arizona moving forward.
52:14 --> 52:15 [SPEAKER_00]: So there's that option.
52:17 --> 52:21 [SPEAKER_00]: And then if they don't get the package they want for him, you just mentioned it.
52:21 --> 52:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Then you get a first round pick instead, if he leaves, it absolutely worst case scenario.
52:25 --> 52:32 [SPEAKER_00]: If you don't trade Gino and then he walks in free agency, you're obviously not letting him walk without offering him the qualifying offer.
52:33 --> 52:37 [SPEAKER_00]: So if he turns that down and ends up signing somewhere else, you still get a first round pickback.
52:38 --> 52:46 [SPEAKER_00]: So the longer this thing drags out and with us only having when this episode comes out, three days till the trade deadline,
52:47 --> 52:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think there is a world that could happen.
52:50 --> 52:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Am I saying Gino is definitively not getting traded?
52:53 --> 52:53 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
52:54 --> 53:00 [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm starting to think the Diamondbacks would swallow the fact that they do not have to trade Gino.
53:01 --> 53:02 [SPEAKER_00]: They would keep them.
53:02 --> 53:08 [SPEAKER_00]: And either give them a contract in free agency or get the or get the compact if he walks and goes somewhere else at the end of the year.
53:10 --> 53:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And like the more I look at this trade package, the more I think the more I look at the reports of what the Diamondbacks are asking for, the more I think that's realistic.
53:21 --> 53:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going to be frank, that trade package for rental.
53:24 --> 53:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't care how many home runs you have is fucking insane.
53:28 --> 53:39 [SPEAKER_00]: But if you're the Yankees and the big league player is Kim Schlittler and the double A to triple A high end prospect is Spencer Jones and then there's one lottery ticket.
53:40 --> 53:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Is that insane?
53:40 --> 53:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Because that's the package that was floated out there for the Yankees.
53:43 --> 53:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Is it Kim Schlittler or maybe Ben Rice?
53:48 --> 53:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Ben Rice might be a lot for two months of genome.
53:50 --> 53:57 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'm saying, but I've seen Ben Rice's, I've seen the reports that Ben Rice could be available for the Yankees this deadline.
53:57 --> 54:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe not anymore that they got their third baseman, but like if they're willing to make him available, like trading Ben Rice for two months of genome just kind of seems crazy.
54:09 --> 54:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Although he is their version of Luke Rayley in a lot of ways.
54:12 --> 54:13 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, right.
54:14 --> 54:16 [SPEAKER_01]: So maybe a Yankee fan would say the same thing to the Mariners.
54:16 --> 54:24 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like Luke Rayley could put up a eight hundred OPS or seven, fifty OPS where you employ a hundred and twenty games in the outfield.
54:24 --> 54:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Be a good athlete, solid defender.
54:26 --> 54:28 [SPEAKER_01]: And you're going to give that away for two months.
54:29 --> 54:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
54:30 --> 54:31 [SPEAKER_01]: And what if it's the two coldest months of the season?
54:33 --> 54:45 [SPEAKER_00]: you just beat me right to the punchline, which I was gonna say for as much as people love Gina around here and he is a fan favorite and he is beloved and people will be so happy to have him back and I understand that for every good reason and you should feel those ways.
54:46 --> 54:47 [SPEAKER_00]: You shouldn't do anything less than feel those ways.
54:49 --> 54:57 [SPEAKER_00]: But the one thing that probably hasn't been talked about quite enough, whether it's by us or by the masses, is we know Gino's really streaky.
54:57 --> 55:00 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's right at the peak of his hot streak right now.
55:00 --> 55:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Is there any chance that whatever team trades for him gets two months of him putting up a Seventy eight WRC plus puts up a six eighty OPS?
55:10 --> 55:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's possible, right?
55:11 --> 55:15 [SPEAKER_00]: He'd move out of Chase the old, which is incredibly hitter friendly, he'd go somewhere else.
55:15 --> 55:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Changes scenery in the middle of the year.
55:17 --> 55:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
55:18 --> 55:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Gino's never been traded in the middle of the year as far as I know when he went from Arizona when he went from Detroit to Cincinnati.
55:25 --> 55:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that was in the middle of the year.
55:27 --> 55:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that was after the year.
55:28 --> 55:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Point being we know when he went from Cincinnati to Seattle.
55:30 --> 55:32 [SPEAKER_00]: It was off season Seattle.
55:32 --> 55:33 [SPEAKER_00]: The Arizona was off season.
55:34 --> 55:35 [SPEAKER_00]: You're more time to prepare for it.
55:37 --> 55:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't even matter if you, let's say he's not even, it's not even awful.
55:41 --> 55:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's say instead of doing what he's currently doing right now, you only get like a one-o-five WRC+.
55:46 --> 55:50 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, we traded Luke Rayleigh for two months of a one-o-five.
55:51 --> 55:53 [SPEAKER_01]: That's about what he put up his final season in Seattle.
55:53 --> 55:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Power aside, the offensive production was roughly that.
55:57 --> 56:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, five, I think it might have been a one-o-seven WRC+.
56:02 --> 56:03 [SPEAKER_01]: If you get that for two months, was that worth it?
56:04 --> 56:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, is that enough of an impact for you?
56:06 --> 56:10 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what these president-based corporations look at when they're going to make these trades.
56:11 --> 56:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I, even if you and I say, um, we wouldn't make a, make a trade and it wouldn't make much of a blip on the Mariners farm system.
56:20 --> 56:22 [SPEAKER_01]: When I look at that while, Jerry's not making that trade.
56:23 --> 56:30 [SPEAKER_01]: He's not trading a big league or for two months of of Gino, even if he knows the jobs could be on the line.
56:31 --> 56:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so.
56:33 --> 56:36 [SPEAKER_00]: just bad process and that's why you wouldn't do it, that's what you think.
56:36 --> 56:42 [SPEAKER_01]: They've been pretty consistent with their process, no matter what kind of scenario there is.
56:44 --> 56:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
56:45 --> 56:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that would essentially be trading two months.
56:47 --> 56:56 [SPEAKER_00]: That would essentially be trading Luke Raylee for two months of Luke Raylee, because there's a lot of too much stretches where Luke Raylee's about a one of five to one, ten WRC plus it or so.
56:56 --> 56:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that wouldn't be great.
56:57 --> 56:59 [SPEAKER_00]: And also Gina's defense hasn't been very good.
57:00 --> 57:00 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
57:01 --> 57:09 [SPEAKER_01]: And you can't just, you can't like stick band Williams in out in the outfield and just replace Luke Rayley's defense in the outfield.
57:09 --> 57:10 [SPEAKER_01]: That's not gonna be a thing.
57:10 --> 57:11 [SPEAKER_01]: You're not gonna do that with Gino either.
57:11 --> 57:13 [SPEAKER_01]: So then you have a spot on your roster.
57:13 --> 57:14 [SPEAKER_01]: You can't just fill.
57:14 --> 57:18 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not an easy, it's not easy decisions at the deadline.
57:18 --> 57:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Like that's why these guys make so much money to make some of these decisions because
57:23 --> 57:27 [SPEAKER_01]: When you think that if you don't get this guy and he could be the difference between you and a playoff spot.
57:28 --> 57:32 [SPEAKER_01]: And if you don't make the playoffs, you could be fired, but the price to get him is incredibly high.
57:32 --> 57:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's, it's an insane decision.
57:35 --> 57:35 [SPEAKER_01]: It's tough.
57:37 --> 57:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Really tough.
57:39 --> 57:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we're in for a hell of a final seventy two hours.
57:41 --> 57:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, almost nothing's happened.
57:43 --> 57:45 [SPEAKER_00]: We've had the nailer trade.
57:45 --> 57:46 [SPEAKER_00]: We had Ryan McMahon get traded.
57:46 --> 57:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Aside from that, there hasn't been a lot.
57:49 --> 57:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Like we're sitting here talking about Randall Grichick.
58:15 --> 58:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I was going to say, I think it's pretty safe to say the three of us or three of us.
58:19 --> 58:27 [SPEAKER_00]: The two of us are going to be pretty non AFK for the next few days leading up to the trade deadline.
58:27 --> 58:30 [SPEAKER_00]: AFK for those not familiar away from keyboard.
58:30 --> 58:33 [SPEAKER_00]: In other words, we're not going to be far from our keyboards.
58:33 --> 58:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we're going to be pretty close.
58:34 --> 58:38 [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to be scrolling and we're going to be checking and we're going to be updating every five minutes.
58:39 --> 58:41 [SPEAKER_00]: That might even be too little.
58:42 --> 58:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Because
58:43 --> 58:45 [SPEAKER_00]: This is when it's going to get serious.
58:45 --> 58:54 [SPEAKER_00]: This is when you don't have Ryan Davis always used to have those things happen to him where he'd go and play basketball at the YMCA and the Americans would make a trade in the offseason and he'd start bitching on Twitter.
58:54 --> 58:56 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, I hate you, Mariners or whatever.
58:56 --> 58:59 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, why don't you ever let me play a basketball game and peace?
59:00 --> 59:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I think TJ and I are going to avoid that the next few days where it's like, yeah, we're going to be pretty locked and loaded because we know trades could be coming.
59:06 --> 59:07 [SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to be pretty prepared for it.
59:08 --> 59:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Like for example,
59:09 --> 59:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I know oftentimes we'll record our Wednesday episodes Monday night, and often we have an interview, too.
59:15 --> 59:20 [SPEAKER_00]: That's just, you know, added to on top of our first twenty minutes of podcasting.
59:21 --> 59:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, we're saving any interviews this week.
59:23 --> 59:26 [SPEAKER_00]: We're not doing any of any of this week because we're trying to prepare for trades that could go down.
59:27 --> 59:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And tentatively right now, we said, look,
59:30 --> 59:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we're going to record on Tuesday night or Wednesday podcast because we're trying to wait out any trades as long as possible.
59:37 --> 59:39 [SPEAKER_00]: So we don't have the worry of trying to record a podcast.
59:39 --> 59:40 [SPEAKER_00]: It's totally irrelevant.
59:40 --> 59:41 [SPEAKER_00]: We scrap it because then a trade happens.
59:42 --> 59:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And we got to do a whole new one.
59:43 --> 59:45 [SPEAKER_00]: So we're trying to wait out these trades here.
59:45 --> 59:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Come on, Jerry.
59:46 --> 59:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I know.
59:49 --> 59:50 [SPEAKER_00]: And now it's going to be an interesting final few days.
59:50 --> 59:54 [SPEAKER_00]: And then obviously Fridays episode will be recapping the trade deadline.
59:54 --> 59:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Whatever they do, don't do.
59:56 --> 01:00:00 [SPEAKER_00]: that'll be the episode because the deadline ends Thursday afternoon.
01:00:00 --> 01:00:01 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, three p.m.
01:00:01 --> 01:00:02 [SPEAKER_01]: a perfect for us.
01:00:02 --> 01:00:03 [SPEAKER_01]: We can record right after that.
01:00:03 --> 01:00:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's true.
01:00:04 --> 01:00:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's end on a bit more of a positive note, Lyle.
01:00:07 --> 01:00:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Each row is inducted into the Hall of Fame today and he gave a very, very, very nice speech there in Cooper's down.
01:00:14 --> 01:00:16 [SPEAKER_01]: How much of it did you get to watch?
01:00:16 --> 01:00:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Because I, I saw a lot more of it after the fact did you get to watch any of it?
01:00:21 --> 01:00:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I watched all of it.
01:00:22 --> 01:00:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Good.
01:00:23 --> 01:00:23 [SPEAKER_01]: It's good.
01:00:23 --> 01:00:24 [SPEAKER_01]: You're a better podcast host than I am.
01:00:25 --> 01:00:25 [SPEAKER_00]: So.
01:00:26 --> 01:00:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, maybe I'm a better podcast host.
01:00:28 --> 01:00:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe stupid Major League Baseball only put their game on Roku today.
01:00:33 --> 01:00:35 [SPEAKER_00]: So I couldn't actually watch the Mariners.
01:00:35 --> 01:00:38 [SPEAKER_00]: So as a result, I'm just sitting there waiting for each year to make his Hall of Fame speech.
01:00:39 --> 01:00:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Because that wasn't thing today.
01:00:40 --> 01:00:41 [SPEAKER_00]: The game was not on root.
01:00:41 --> 01:00:44 [SPEAKER_00]: It was only on, you have to have like a Roku device to watch the game.
01:00:45 --> 01:00:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it was on MLB TV too with no blackout.
01:00:47 --> 01:00:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, good, but it's blacked out.
01:00:49 --> 01:00:50 [SPEAKER_00]: It with no blackout.
01:00:51 --> 01:00:52 [SPEAKER_00]: wait, I could have watched the game on MLV TV.
01:00:52 --> 01:00:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was watching the game too.
01:00:53 --> 01:00:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I was working.
01:00:54 --> 01:00:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't think I wasn't paying attention.
01:01:12 --> 01:01:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was going to be TV today.
01:01:14 --> 01:01:15 [SPEAKER_00]: You got to go to tweeted it out.
01:01:16 --> 01:01:17 [SPEAKER_00]: You got to be kidding.
01:01:17 --> 01:01:20 [SPEAKER_00]: So I could have been watching the speech and the game at the same time.
01:01:20 --> 01:01:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
01:01:22 --> 01:01:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Dude, I legitimately thought you just couldn't watch the game.
01:01:24 --> 01:01:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I was ready.
01:01:25 --> 01:01:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I was ready to like go on a Michael K. Don LaGreca type ran on this podcast, but you couldn't watch the game.
01:01:32 --> 01:01:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, Doug.
01:01:34 --> 01:01:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, here's the thing.
01:01:36 --> 01:01:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Ready?
01:01:37 --> 01:01:38 [SPEAKER_01]: You didn't miss much.
01:01:40 --> 01:01:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Really I thought it was a I thought it was a that was the game of the year Unless you wanted to watch Cowrow is for you first home run.
01:01:46 --> 01:01:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you didn't you didn't miss anything Congratulations Lyle has officially reached the the grandpa status of not being able to figure out how to watch the game Well, it's similar to like to you with the each-year-old speech
01:02:00 --> 01:02:04 [SPEAKER_00]: All I had to do for seeing Cal Raleigh's highlights was see it after.
01:02:04 --> 01:02:05 [SPEAKER_00]: It was on Twitter.
01:02:05 --> 01:02:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I watched it for thirty seconds and I didn't miss much of the rest of the game.
01:02:09 --> 01:02:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Glad this podcast at both parts of the Mariners Day covered today.
01:02:13 --> 01:02:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Great.
01:02:14 --> 01:02:14 [SPEAKER_00]: It's true.
01:02:15 --> 01:02:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, Egero speech was awesome.
01:02:17 --> 01:02:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe we're biased, but that might be one of the best ones I've ever heard.
01:02:21 --> 01:02:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, first off, that is, as far as I know, the longest he's ever talked publicly in English and he killed it, by the way, he didn't awesome, awesome job.
01:02:32 --> 01:02:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Speech was like, speech was flawless because he mixed in, you know how they talk, I mean,
01:02:39 --> 01:02:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I say this as if I had any idea about wedding speeches I don't.
01:02:42 --> 01:02:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have the first clue.
01:02:44 --> 01:03:03 [SPEAKER_00]: But they do say with wedding speeches right that like when people give them the best ones or the ones that have humor mixed in with some really nice stories to that's essentially what each hero's was because he told all these nice stories and he talked about perseverance and he talked about hard work and he talked about never giving up.
01:03:05 --> 01:03:16 [SPEAKER_00]: And all that was mixed in and he credited, you know, he talked about all his, you know, these great teammates that he had, coaches that he had, and like he gave a nice tribute to his wife.
01:03:16 --> 01:03:19 [SPEAKER_00]: But then he's telling all these hilarious stories, too.
01:03:19 --> 01:03:20 [SPEAKER_00]: It was great.
01:03:20 --> 01:03:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he basically out of self-deprecation called himself a dumbass.
01:03:27 --> 01:03:33 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'll just read you the tweet that I put out because there was a lot of nice things put out through that speech.
01:03:33 --> 01:03:36 [SPEAKER_00]: But the three things that really made me laugh.
01:03:37 --> 01:03:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Number one was that he took an absolute shot at that writer that didn't vote for him.
01:03:43 --> 01:03:45 [SPEAKER_00]: And that was the one that really made headlines.
01:03:45 --> 01:03:50 [SPEAKER_00]: He said to that writer who I offered to come have dinner at my house for not voting for me.
01:03:50 --> 01:03:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I want you to know it's now expired.
01:03:53 --> 01:03:54 [SPEAKER_00]: That was really funny.
01:03:55 --> 01:03:56 [SPEAKER_00]: So shout out to each of you on that.
01:03:57 --> 01:03:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Number two, this also made waves.
01:03:59 --> 01:04:03 [SPEAKER_00]: He very loudly did a Rick Riz Holy smokes homage.
01:04:03 --> 01:04:04 [SPEAKER_00]: That was really cool.
01:04:04 --> 01:04:13 [SPEAKER_00]: He said he would have his arm ready and he'd be fully ready to go by every spring training down in Arizona and he'd be waiting to hear Rick Riz say Holy smokes, what a throw by each arrow.
01:04:13 --> 01:04:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought that was awesome.
01:04:15 --> 01:04:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Number two, and number three, this one didn't get as much traction and I'm shocked.
01:04:19 --> 01:04:21 [SPEAKER_00]: It didn't because this one made me laugh out loud.
01:04:21 --> 01:04:26 [SPEAKER_00]: He totally named Rob Bob Costis and referenced that infamous interview.
01:04:26 --> 01:04:33 [SPEAKER_00]: He did way back early in his career about when he said August and Kansas City is hot and in two rats in a fucking wool sock.
01:04:34 --> 01:04:40 [SPEAKER_00]: He absolutely referenced that because during that interview, twenty plus years ago now.
01:04:41 --> 01:04:52 [SPEAKER_00]: each hero, so the back story of that is cost us as each hero, what his favorite American saying was, and that's what each hero said, which by the way, I think he's the only person I've ever heard dropped that line.
01:04:52 --> 01:05:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I've never heard that anywhere else, but each hero's laughing after he says that during that interview, twenty plus years ago, and he said, I have bad teammates.
01:05:01 --> 01:05:05 [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, I really have bad teammates, because clearly they told him to say something like that in the interview.
01:05:06 --> 01:05:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, fast forward.
01:05:07 --> 01:05:08 [SPEAKER_00]: He was Hall of Fame speech.
01:05:09 --> 01:05:11 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think he's given a tribute to a bunch of his teammates.
01:05:12 --> 01:05:19 [SPEAKER_00]: If I have it right, but the punch line here was he said, I have bad teammates, right, Bob Costa.
01:05:19 --> 01:05:21 [SPEAKER_00]: So I was like, oh, I got that reference.
01:05:21 --> 01:05:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, that was really good.
01:05:23 --> 01:05:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know if everybody picked up on that, but I was really good.
01:05:26 --> 01:05:29 [SPEAKER_00]: So hell of a speech by each row.
01:05:29 --> 01:05:31 [SPEAKER_00]: That was like, it was well worth the wait.
01:05:31 --> 01:05:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad they saved him for the end.
01:05:33 --> 01:05:34 [SPEAKER_00]: He absolutely killed it.
01:05:36 --> 01:05:38 [SPEAKER_00]: It was a pretty cool afternoon all around.
01:05:38 --> 01:05:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I think this speech was for the entire public that was just waiting the twenty four years since he's debuted to fully see his personality.
01:05:48 --> 01:05:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Some people like Beatwriters, broadcasters, probably get to see a lot more of each of those personality.
01:05:55 --> 01:06:22 [SPEAKER_01]: then the general public what they'd have less of a wide of an idea of what each of us like and they hear stories and such but they don't get to actually hear it from his mouth so I thought this was a fantastic opportunity to hear that and he crushed it against second language forum not as comfortable I think speaking English in a public setting but clearly he practiced the speech a lot and he he crushed it did a great job it's awesome to see that moment for the mariners to get
01:06:23 --> 01:06:26 [SPEAKER_01]: to get that guy in the Hall of Fame weren't a Mariners cap.
01:06:27 --> 01:06:30 [SPEAKER_01]: They took a chance on him and he was just unbelievable.
01:06:30 --> 01:06:32 [SPEAKER_01]: It's been an absolute blessing for the franchise.
01:06:32 --> 01:06:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Can I say this by the way?
01:06:34 --> 01:06:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Shout out to the one pod.
01:06:35 --> 01:06:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, listener or follower who recognized my brother at Cooper's Town this weekend.
01:06:40 --> 01:06:41 [SPEAKER_01]: That was pretty cool.
01:06:41 --> 01:06:46 [SPEAKER_01]: He said, hey, we're in there pod and he's like, no, not quite close enough.
01:06:47 --> 01:06:51 [SPEAKER_00]: So that is, I'm shocked that you two don't get mixed up more.
01:06:51 --> 01:06:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, your brother does live in New York City to be fair.
01:06:54 --> 01:06:58 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's not like there's Mariners fans just throwing, flowing throughout the streets of Manhattan.
01:06:58 --> 01:07:05 [SPEAKER_00]: But when he's in Seattle, I am shocked that it hasn't happened more times where if he's walking on his own, somebody's not like, oh, it's up TJ.
01:07:05 --> 01:07:09 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, well, no, for those who don't know, TJ has a very identical twin.
01:07:10 --> 01:07:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Or even like my favorite one that people do, it's like, oh, the that podcast, that podcast.
01:07:17 --> 01:07:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so that he didn't tell me exactly how it went down when I was like, Oh, and Cooper's down like all the mariners fans there.
01:07:23 --> 01:07:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Someone made the estimation that it was like, ten to one mariners fans to other people.
01:07:27 --> 01:07:30 [SPEAKER_01]: So like, I'm not surprised that someone someone saw them.
01:07:30 --> 01:07:32 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think that's that super cool.
01:07:32 --> 01:07:42 [SPEAKER_01]: And we have the best we have the best listeners and followers in the world to to see that Cooper's town New York tiny small village in the middle of nowhere for the baseball Hall of Fame.
01:07:42 --> 01:07:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought that was that was cool.
01:07:44 --> 01:07:44 [SPEAKER_00]: That's sick.
01:07:44 --> 01:07:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Do people do that?
01:07:45 --> 01:07:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you guys say, oh, that podcast, that podcast?
01:07:48 --> 01:07:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they do it to us.
01:07:51 --> 01:07:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I guess that's true.
01:07:52 --> 01:07:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess that happens sometimes.
01:07:53 --> 01:07:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Like the people that see us.
01:07:54 --> 01:07:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I see you on TikTok.
01:07:56 --> 01:07:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I see you on Instagram.
01:07:57 --> 01:07:58 [SPEAKER_00]: That that's true.
01:07:58 --> 01:08:03 [SPEAKER_00]: The for the people that see a lot of our stuff just on social media and don't always like listen to the full episodes.
01:08:03 --> 01:08:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're right.
01:08:03 --> 01:08:04 [SPEAKER_00]: That does happen.
01:08:04 --> 01:08:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Mariner layers.
01:08:06 --> 01:08:09 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like that's happened like once or twice.
01:08:09 --> 01:08:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Most people know the name.
01:08:12 --> 01:08:14 [SPEAKER_00]: The marathon layer things may be happening a couple times.
01:08:15 --> 01:08:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, it's not a lot, but I did watch that one of it, but that was really cool that your brother got recognized like that.
01:08:21 --> 01:08:25 [SPEAKER_00]: So yes, shout out to you guys, shout out to all of our fans, listeners, as always.
01:08:25 --> 01:08:28 [SPEAKER_00]: But most importantly, shout out to each hero, that was awesome to see.
01:08:28 --> 01:08:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I also really like CCC speech, just quick little side note.
01:08:30 --> 01:08:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I was always a big CCC about the fan.
01:08:32 --> 01:08:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I still am.
01:08:33 --> 01:08:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I think he's awesome in the media.
01:08:34 --> 01:08:37 [SPEAKER_00]: He seems like a super fun personality and he did a really good speech too.
01:08:38 --> 01:08:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Shout out to him.
01:08:39 --> 01:08:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Shout out Billy Wagner.
01:08:40 --> 01:08:41 [SPEAKER_00]: We talked about a back in January.
01:08:41 --> 01:08:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I've been vouching for that guy to get in forever.
01:08:43 --> 01:08:45 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm glad he finally got his recognition.
01:08:45 --> 01:08:49 [SPEAKER_00]: But obviously as a Mariners podcast, this is about each row and each row crushed that speech.
01:08:49 --> 01:08:50 [SPEAKER_00]: So shout out to him.
01:08:50 --> 01:08:51 [SPEAKER_00]: That was awesome.
01:08:52 --> 01:08:55 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, I think that wraps up this edition of the Marine Liar podcast.
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