Lyle and TJ discuss why there hasn't been any more action from the Mariners at the deadline, and whether or not the Mariners are going to pay the absurd price for the top relievers on the market (2:30). They wrap up with a couple of thoughts on the shuffling pieces on the current roster (43:23).
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00:00 --> 00:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to episode number two, seventy four of the Marine Lair podcast.
00:03 --> 00:10 [SPEAKER_02]: We're trying to figure out what's going on with this Mariners deadline and now sitting less than forty eight hours away from it.
00:10 --> 00:13 [SPEAKER_02]: There hasn't been much action after the Josh Nailer trade.
00:13 --> 00:17 [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to dive in and we're going to try and figure out what's up and what the Mariners could still do.
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01:20 --> 01:37 [SPEAKER_02]: and we welcome you to this episode of the Marine layer podcast part of the just baseball podcast no or network recording on Tuesday evening July twenty nine mid-mariner game they're losing so we're not going to talk about it and said now we're going to talk about how uh... you want to run of the twins dupe does today
01:37 --> 01:39 [SPEAKER_02]: He did a fake hug.
01:40 --> 01:54 [SPEAKER_02]: There was, there was some, uh, some tweets out there that the, the twins radio broadcast was saying, oh, he packed up all of his things and left the twins open and you are, you and I are like eyeball emoji eyeball emoji eyeball emoji and the student was just fucking with us.
01:56 --> 02:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you notice a tip your cap though as two people who are in the content world and stir shit up all the time?
02:03 --> 02:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I kind of have to tip my cap to John to ran here because that was an A plus troll job.
02:10 --> 02:12 [SPEAKER_00]: The dude knows he's getting floated out there in trade talks.
02:13 --> 02:14 [SPEAKER_00]: He knows he's a lever jar.
02:14 --> 02:16 [SPEAKER_00]: He knows a lot of teams want him and he says, you know what I'm gonna do?
02:17 --> 02:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna make sure I get myself on camera, do and hug watch.
02:21 --> 02:23 [SPEAKER_00]: You kind of have to tip your cat.
02:24 --> 02:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Did he tip off all the broadcasters to and make sure to say that?
02:27 --> 02:29 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like hate like the twins radio, right?
02:30 --> 02:34 [SPEAKER_02]: They're probably not staring at the bullpen in the third inning when all this went down.
02:34 --> 02:37 [SPEAKER_02]: They're like, hey, in the third inning, look out.
02:38 --> 02:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Look out to left center field where the target field bullpen's are.
02:42 --> 02:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Instead of me purposely spiking a pitch to win a first inning, a third inning first pitch at the inning bet.
02:49 --> 02:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Instead, I'm going to be doing a fake hug with my teammates and you're going to talk about it.
02:55 --> 03:03 [SPEAKER_02]: And then TV broadcasters, you guys make sure to be looking out at the bullpen in the third inning and start talking about that.
03:03 --> 03:04 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm hugging my teammates.
03:04 --> 03:07 [SPEAKER_02]: By the way, I'm not insuiting Doran was gambling.
03:07 --> 03:10 [SPEAKER_02]: That's more of a classic thing, which I will get to.
03:10 --> 03:11 [SPEAKER_02]: I promise.
03:11 --> 03:14 [SPEAKER_02]: I have plenty to say about that, but we can stick on this for now.
03:14 --> 03:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Don't you mean insinuating?
03:16 --> 03:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Insinuating.
03:17 --> 03:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry.
03:17 --> 03:17 [SPEAKER_02]: That's good.
03:18 --> 03:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Good catch.
03:21 --> 03:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, I would love Joe on to round and was I disappointed to find out that he was messing with everybody here on Tuesday?
03:27 --> 03:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
03:28 --> 03:30 [SPEAKER_00]: but I don't know what you want me to do.
03:30 --> 03:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, we live in the world of content and people in content certainly also included stir things up all the time.
03:36 --> 03:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Like he executed that pretty well.
03:40 --> 03:42 [SPEAKER_00]: All I can do is kind of shrug and laugh.
03:42 --> 03:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you think there's anyone in the front office that was like watching the TV and saw that and was like, wait a second.
03:48 --> 03:53 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, I have to send a text here really quick to make sure make sure we didn't do anything without my approval.
03:55 --> 03:56 [SPEAKER_02]: I guess you think possible.
03:57 --> 03:57 [SPEAKER_02]: It is possible.
03:59 --> 04:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Although, actually, you know what, I'm going to take that back.
04:02 --> 04:05 [SPEAKER_00]: No, because how the GM has everything go through him.
04:06 --> 04:07 [SPEAKER_00]: How on earth could that happen?
04:07 --> 04:09 [SPEAKER_02]: What if it was like the assistant GM?
04:10 --> 04:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that would be funny.
04:12 --> 04:17 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, Jerry made a trade in Justin Holland or I had no idea that a trade was going down.
04:17 --> 04:21 [SPEAKER_02]: And he's like watching a mariner game on TV and he's like, why are they hugging?
04:22 --> 04:22 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, what?
04:22 --> 04:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Did I miss out on something?
04:23 --> 04:28 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like checking pass in, nope, checking Rosenthal, nope, checking Hayman, nope.
04:29 --> 04:30 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, what am I missing?
04:31 --> 04:32 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I thought was happening.
04:32 --> 04:35 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, why is no one tweeting about this?
04:36 --> 04:47 [SPEAKER_02]: and then Jeff Passen did make sure to tweet about it right after the fact is like the reason you're on to Ron is hugging people in the twins bullpen because sometimes friends just need to hug it out.
04:48 --> 04:49 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, thank you Jeff.
04:50 --> 04:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Weird timing for it.
04:51 --> 04:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Very, very weird timing for it.
04:55 --> 04:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
04:56 --> 04:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Why is this deadline so slow while I'm getting a little antsy?
05:01 --> 05:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I said it in our social media posts this afternoon.
05:03 --> 05:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it comes down to this.
05:05 --> 05:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Nobody's blocked first.
05:07 --> 05:10 [SPEAKER_00]: What I mean by that is there's two sides with a line being drawn right in the middle.
05:11 --> 05:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, the buyers and the sellers are on the two sides of the line.
05:14 --> 05:15 [SPEAKER_00]: The buyers are not blocking.
05:15 --> 05:16 [SPEAKER_00]: They're not lowering the prices.
05:16 --> 05:25 [SPEAKER_00]: They're asking for, which are currently absurd for genome, for deran, for jacks, for others, where the twins, for example, are saying, yeah, you want one of our lever germs.
05:26 --> 05:29 [SPEAKER_00]: We can take two, two, top, a hundred prospects back in return.
05:30 --> 05:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Otherwise, we're not dealing them.
05:31 --> 05:35 [SPEAKER_00]: And then you've got the seller side of it who are saying, well, we're not giving that up.
05:35 --> 05:41 [SPEAKER_00]: We're not giving you two top-a-hundred prospects for bullpen arms who are going to throw twenty-five innings the rest of the regular season.
05:42 --> 05:44 [SPEAKER_00]: So, right now, everybody's in a stand-off.
05:45 --> 05:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And we got less than forty-eight hours to go.
05:46 --> 05:52 [SPEAKER_00]: By the time you're all listening to this, if it's Wednesday morning, for example, we'll be at about thirty-six hours to go.
05:53 --> 05:55 [SPEAKER_00]: So, times running out for somebody to buck.
05:56 --> 06:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, when I think somebody decides to cave,
06:00 --> 06:06 [SPEAKER_00]: you could see the dam just break and a lot of trades start to just rip off and let loose.
06:06 --> 06:11 [SPEAKER_00]: But right now, it's been boring because nobody will take the bait on either side.
06:12 --> 06:13 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's how the nailer trade happened.
06:13 --> 06:27 [SPEAKER_02]: The reporting came out in the last couple of days that the Mariners and Diamondbacks have been talking about nailer for a while, but most of the progress was made in the hour leading up to the trade because the Diamondbacks finally lowered the cost for Josh Nailer and the trade got done.
06:28 --> 06:33 [SPEAKER_02]: But it doesn't seem like any other team, or even the same team in the Diamondbacks for Gino are willing to make that happen.
06:33 --> 06:39 [SPEAKER_02]: I will say the good thing about the deadline coming up, this does benefit the buyers a lot in this scenario.
06:39 --> 06:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Because if the sellers really do want to sell, they're not just going to let the deadline pass without getting a trade in.
06:45 --> 06:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Because then it's a whole bunch of wasted time.
06:47 --> 06:49 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't get the return on your investment.
06:51 --> 07:06 [SPEAKER_02]: The Diamondbacks, yeah, could get a compensation pick for Gino, but if they really would prefer a trade package of guys closer to the big leagues for Gino rather than a draft pick, who would be in the big leagues and potentially three to four seasons, then they would she probably consider
07:07 --> 07:32 [SPEAKER_02]: strongly considered making a trade here at this deadline as opposed to waiting all the way to till the end of the season and they have to go through the process of giving him the qualifying offer and then he asked then he has to walk he can't take it if he takes the qualifying offer sure you get you know back for a year and then that's it so this does benefit the buyers here to closer we get to Thursday the problem I'm getting to right now is when I think about like the Mariners needs
07:32 --> 07:36 [SPEAKER_02]: The mayor's feel like they're not dead set on AOLs Wars anymore.
07:37 --> 07:53 [SPEAKER_02]: It seems like they're interested at the price comes down a little bit, but it doesn't feel to me right now that the Mariners are willing to pay that Arizona Diamondbacks price of what we've floated out there on Monday's episode, which was a big leaguer, a prospect in the high miners and a prospect in the low miners.
07:53 --> 07:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Doesn't feel like they're willing to do that for two months of AOLs Wars.
07:57 --> 08:06 [SPEAKER_02]: It seems like they're willing to pivot and go off to somebody like a Willy Castro if they need to if he's available at that point.
08:06 --> 08:09 [SPEAKER_02]: So like at least they're leaving their options open at this point.
08:10 --> 08:16 [SPEAKER_02]: But the more we look in the more I look at the twins too, how many of these guys actually will get traded?
08:17 --> 08:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Do we think all of them are still getting traded?
08:20 --> 08:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's what I was going to counter with when you're talking about how this market is going to benefit the buyers by the end.
08:26 --> 08:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sitting here and thinking to myself, is it?
08:29 --> 08:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Because if you put Gino aside, who's kind of in his own vote on his own, because he's such a unique rental bat, where when you look at the rest of the stars on this market remaining, it's the bullpen arms.
08:39 --> 08:42 [SPEAKER_00]: The biggest stars left to be traded are the bullpen arms.
08:42 --> 08:45 [SPEAKER_00]: And for the Mariners specifically, that is
08:46 --> 08:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Probably their biggest need remaining.
08:48 --> 08:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, you can argue third base, but they need another leverage bullpinarm.
08:52 --> 08:52 [SPEAKER_00]: It was up to me.
08:53 --> 08:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd say they need two more bullpinarm's period, but they need another lever jarm.
08:58 --> 09:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And to your point about this benefiting the buyers, I don't know.
09:01 --> 09:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I sit there and say if on the twins, you do not have to trade Griffin jacks or yo on to ran.
09:08 --> 09:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Does it benefit the buyers because the twins could sit there and say, yeah, if you're not going to give us the hall we want, then we're going to sit.
09:13 --> 09:17 [SPEAKER_00]: We're not going to sell them and talks could potentially re-engage again in the off season.
09:18 --> 09:25 [SPEAKER_00]: And by that point, is two and a half years of a reliever that's elite, that different than the price of two years of a reliever that's considered elite?
09:26 --> 09:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if it is.
09:28 --> 09:31 [SPEAKER_02]: If you want third baseman, the deadline benefits the buyers.
09:31 --> 09:32 [SPEAKER_02]: If you want relievers, I'd say no.
09:33 --> 09:36 [SPEAKER_02]: because both will capture engine or rentals.
09:36 --> 09:42 [SPEAKER_02]: And again, if you want something back for your rental, now's the time to do it for the most part.
09:42 --> 09:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Again, unless you want to wait for a draft pick, who may or may not pan out as opposed to prospects who have at least been developed and ushered into pro ball a little bit.
09:51 --> 09:51 [SPEAKER_02]: especially for genome.
09:52 --> 09:54 [SPEAKER_02]: That I think is the benefit.
09:54 --> 09:57 [SPEAKER_02]: And I do think the Mariners still are keeping their eyes open on third base.
09:57 --> 10:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Jerry, in fact, went on the record and said he wanted to upgrade third base, which offensively they do need to do.
10:05 --> 10:10 [SPEAKER_02]: But the twins' reliever problem, I guess, problem.
10:11 --> 10:13 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know a good word to describe it.
10:14 --> 10:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, lemma dilemma.
10:15 --> 10:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, thank you.
10:16 --> 10:16 [SPEAKER_02]: That's a good one.
10:16 --> 10:23 [SPEAKER_02]: The twins dilemma that the Mariners are facing right now is looking at some of these other relievers like Bednar.
10:23 --> 10:26 [SPEAKER_02]: I saw fair banks and the Rangers were linked earlier today.
10:26 --> 10:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Some of those guys are still out there, but the two best guys are the twins guys in to ran or drawn and and jacks right now.
10:34 --> 10:37 [SPEAKER_02]: You said it, the twins don't have to trade them.
10:37 --> 10:47 [SPEAKER_02]: So the twins can absolutely sit there and say, if we don't get two top-one hundred prospects for one of these guys, by the way, it's two top-one hundred prospects, the price for those guys, each.
10:48 --> 10:52 [SPEAKER_02]: So if you want jacks that'll cost two, if you want drawn, it will cost two more.
10:53 --> 11:01 [SPEAKER_02]: So if they don't get that price, they want, with two and a half years of control, twins could just sit there and say, yeah, we'll check back in next deadline.
11:01 --> 11:07 [SPEAKER_02]: And odds are, since we trust these guys and they're pretty nasty, they'll be just as valuable at that deadline.
11:10 --> 11:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you want me to dive into the Jerry Quote or keep on this twin stuff?
11:13 --> 11:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Cause you brought up both.
11:14 --> 11:16 [SPEAKER_02]: I think we're gonna get to Jerry in a little bit.
11:16 --> 11:18 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, so sticking on the twins here.
11:21 --> 11:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think part of the reason there is such a standoff, especially with the twins and other teams that are trying to pry away their relievers, is because of a potential missed season in twenty twenty seven with the lockout looming, because so Jeff Passen brought this up here on Tuesday on Brock and talk on Seattle sports.
11:39 --> 11:40 [SPEAKER_00]: And I thought it was a decent point.
11:40 --> 11:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Passen himself even admitted.
11:42 --> 11:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I hadn't given this enough thought until the last couple days.
11:44 --> 11:48 [SPEAKER_00]: And once I heard him say it, I said to myself, oh, that is an interesting thought.
11:49 --> 11:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think the twins, for example, are sitting there and saying, look, if you want one of our stud relievers, that is a two and a half year type price.
11:59 --> 12:02 [SPEAKER_00]: That is the club control they have for top of the league, bullpen arms.
12:02 --> 12:03 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what you have to pay.
12:04 --> 12:07 [SPEAKER_00]: But if you're one of the buyers, are you sitting there saying,
12:07 --> 12:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Is it really two and a half years?
12:09 --> 12:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Or is it more like one and a half?
12:11 --> 12:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Because in a year and a half there could be no season at all in twenty twenty seven and while you'll still maintain that extra year control whenever baseball resumes.
12:20 --> 12:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's a whole extra year.
12:22 --> 12:26 [SPEAKER_00]: We're not only they've gained another year in age, but they've taken a whole year off.
12:26 --> 12:31 [SPEAKER_00]: They haven't pitched live in games, and maybe they're not as effective as they were when you first traded for them.
12:31 --> 12:38 [SPEAKER_00]: As they've aged a couple years, and you know, their stuff could start to decline or whatever it may be.
12:39 --> 12:41 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're a buyer, are you sitting there saying that?
12:41 --> 12:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And the twins are saying, well, we're not taking that argument.
12:43 --> 12:45 [SPEAKER_00]: You want the guy, you pay two and a half years of control.
12:45 --> 12:48 [SPEAKER_00]: But the buyer says, it's not really two and a half years of control.
12:49 --> 12:51 [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't want to give up two top a hundred prospects.
12:51 --> 12:54 [SPEAKER_02]: That gives the twins so much more power in this scenario.
12:55 --> 12:56 [SPEAKER_02]: So much more exciting.
12:56 --> 12:57 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just how much you want it.
12:59 --> 13:04 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, are you willing to bend your own price that you're willing to pay for someone to go get these guys?
13:05 --> 13:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Even if I think that that thinking is correct, I hundred percent believe that.
13:09 --> 13:11 [SPEAKER_02]: I do think they're going to miss some games.
13:12 --> 13:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Last time the league, the CBA expired between the league and the players, if you remember, twenty twenty two, they missed or they didn't miss any games, but the season got pushed back a week.
13:24 --> 13:27 [SPEAKER_02]: They missed a week of spring training and then they ramped to they agreed.
13:27 --> 13:28 [SPEAKER_02]: They ramped it back up.
13:28 --> 13:31 [SPEAKER_02]: By the way, it could have gone longer talking to the friend of the program Trevor May.
13:32 --> 13:36 [SPEAKER_02]: He didn't think they were ready to agree, but a lot of the players caved in there ready to get paid.
13:37 --> 13:40 [SPEAKER_02]: So they signed the CBA and they missed.
13:40 --> 13:41 [SPEAKER_02]: They only delayed the season by a week.
13:42 --> 13:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I do think in this case, it's going to be longer could be a season.
13:45 --> 13:46 [SPEAKER_02]: It could be half a season.
13:46 --> 13:51 [SPEAKER_02]: However, long, it's going to take the players and the owners to come to an agreement on this kind of stuff.
13:53 --> 13:54 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a good way to think about it.
13:56 --> 14:03 [SPEAKER_02]: However, you know my thoughts on thinking into the future, Lyle, when it comes to roster building, when it comes to trying to win.
14:05 --> 14:11 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a fair argument, it totally fair, logical, thought out, perhaps smart.
14:12 --> 14:13 [SPEAKER_02]: But do you want to win this year?
14:15 --> 14:19 [SPEAKER_00]: In simplest of terms, I think your mindset on the future is fuck the future.
14:20 --> 14:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I've been told the future my whole life.
14:24 --> 14:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Enough.
14:25 --> 14:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Time to win now.
14:26 --> 14:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Time to win right now.
14:28 --> 14:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you said it yourself before we started recording and, and I don't think you'll care that I air this out.
14:34 --> 14:42 [SPEAKER_00]: You said, if you hear from the Mariners post deadline, anything about love our farm system excited about where we're headed, you're gonna have a Frank Boteng mat meltdown.
14:42 --> 14:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna have a meltdown.
14:44 --> 14:47 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna have a meltdown because you could go to the twenty three deadline in here, the same thing.
14:47 --> 14:50 [SPEAKER_02]: You go to the twenty one deadline and hear the same thing.
14:50 --> 14:51 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what that is, Lyle?
14:52 --> 14:53 [SPEAKER_02]: It's loser talk.
14:55 --> 15:04 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to hear any loser talk, especially if we're in a transition to what I know you want to talk to right now, where you go on the record and you talk about how aggressive you want to be.
15:05 --> 15:06 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's fine.
15:06 --> 15:10 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't have a problem with you going out and saying, we plan to be aggressive.
15:10 --> 15:12 [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to go off to these trade targets.
15:12 --> 15:15 [SPEAKER_02]: The problem with it is if you don't live up to that.
15:16 --> 15:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Then you just don't look very good.
15:18 --> 15:24 [SPEAKER_02]: If you need any background of this, Jerry DePoto, if you somehow missed it, talk to Jim Bowdoin this week.
15:25 --> 15:29 [SPEAKER_02]: I think he talked to some other people as well and mentioned, we plan to be very aggressive.
15:29 --> 15:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Even after Josh Nailer, it's Gino, it's relievers.
15:32 --> 15:34 [SPEAKER_02]: It's the twins specifically we're going after.
15:35 --> 16:03 [SPEAKER_02]: if that's like we're planning to be aggressive with these guys and we're planning to go out and use our resources to go acquire these guys and I'll again, preface what I'm saying that there's still forty eight hours as of recording before the deadline and there's plenty of time to make this stuff happen but just understand what happens you say all this stuff and then nothing nothing come nothing formulates and the twins end up not selling I don't want to hear a spin zone on it
16:04 --> 16:07 [SPEAKER_00]: The problem is he said all in.
16:07 --> 16:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I just don't understand why he continues to publicly say things like this.
16:14 --> 16:16 [SPEAKER_00]: It is perfectly fine.
16:16 --> 16:27 [SPEAKER_00]: If you said our goal is to upgrade our roster, we plan to be aggressive, we plan to really be engaged with a lot of teams, and we hope to add a few different pieces to our roster by the end of the deadline.
16:28 --> 16:29 [SPEAKER_00]: That's all fine.
16:29 --> 16:32 [SPEAKER_00]: But by telling people you're all in,
16:33 --> 16:35 [SPEAKER_00]: And I will give this one caveat.
16:35 --> 16:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe, maybe Jim Bowden spun his words a little bit.
16:40 --> 16:41 [SPEAKER_00]: But let's say you didn't.
16:41 --> 16:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And let's say Bowden is doing his job as a reporter and a newsbreaker and saying that this is what DePoto said.
16:46 --> 16:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I just don't understand for the life of me why you are saying these things.
16:52 --> 16:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Because here's the expectation you've now put into fans heads by saying you're going to go all in.
16:57 --> 17:02 [SPEAKER_00]: you check the box by getting nailer, like one of the best headers on the market, which great, you did that part.
17:03 --> 17:13 [SPEAKER_00]: But by saying this after acquiring nailer, you put the idea in fans' heads that you're gonna go get one of Jackson's Iran, maybe you'll get a second leverage bullpen arm too, maybe you'll also go get Willie Castro.
17:14 --> 17:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's what an all-in deadline looks like.
17:15 --> 17:17 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I think about when I hear an all-in deadline?
17:18 --> 17:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll use one example.
17:19 --> 17:26 [SPEAKER_00]: The Dodgers in twenty twenty one, when they traded for Mac Scherzer and Tray Turner, like that's an all-in deadline.
17:27 --> 17:28 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what an all-in deadline looks like.
17:28 --> 17:40 [SPEAKER_00]: And when you set that expectation by unnecessarily speaking publicly about it, if you don't do that in the next thirty-six hours, especially then if you double down and say, well, we like our farm, we're excited for the future.
17:40 --> 17:42 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, well, you can't do that.
17:42 --> 17:43 [SPEAKER_00]: You can't have both.
17:44 --> 17:45 [SPEAKER_00]: You got to pick one or the other.
17:45 --> 17:50 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not saying either of us would be happy about hearing about the future and hearing about what's to come down the road.
17:50 --> 17:54 [SPEAKER_00]: But now when you've added fuel to the fire by saying you're going all in,
17:55 --> 18:00 [SPEAKER_00]: You've put the notion in bands heads that you are going to win the trade deadline.
18:00 --> 18:03 [SPEAKER_00]: You're going to have one of the two or three best deadlines of any team in baseball.
18:04 --> 18:13 [SPEAKER_00]: And right now, well, nailers are good at, like it ain't enough, especially when you set that level of expectation into people's heads.
18:14 --> 18:21 [SPEAKER_02]: All in, I qualify as like, I think if they're going to do like an all in deadline, yeah, you can, you could base it off what they acquire.
18:21 --> 18:22 [SPEAKER_02]: I would feel like an all in deadline.
18:22 --> 18:25 [SPEAKER_02]: You need to trade at least two of your top one hundred prospects.
18:25 --> 18:25 [SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
18:26 --> 18:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Right now.
18:27 --> 18:31 [SPEAKER_02]: RM late and of just baseball updated his top one hundred prospect list today.
18:31 --> 18:36 [SPEAKER_02]: He had the Mariners with eight, some other probably are with seven, some of the other publications that Mariners with eight.
18:38 --> 18:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Two of those guys gone.
18:40 --> 18:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Entraids to go acquire these players at this point.
18:44 --> 18:59 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're wondering of the nine of the main nine who are usually on these lists for the Mariners, the two arm doesn't quite have on there are felonine Celestine who dropped off his list and part of that may be because there just hasn't been enough power and enough offense of production down in Modesto this year.
18:59 --> 19:02 [SPEAKER_00]: He is nineteen, he's got time, but that may be why moved off arm's list for now.
19:03 --> 19:04 [SPEAKER_00]: And then Jorangel is not on there yet.
19:05 --> 19:09 [SPEAKER_00]: But the other seven, it's the names you know and they're on there.
19:10 --> 19:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Well actually,
19:11 --> 19:12 [SPEAKER_00]: No, you got it.
19:12 --> 19:13 [SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
19:13 --> 19:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but no, no, because it was nine before they drafted Kate Anderson, right?
19:17 --> 19:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Or was it eight?
19:18 --> 19:22 [SPEAKER_02]: It was nine on baseball America before they drafted Kate.
19:22 --> 19:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, but whole graduated.
19:25 --> 19:45 [SPEAKER_02]: right okay so yeah take all young out so it's it's the other seven right so in order if i remember correctly cold cade like yeah i mean we tweeted out today i don't know between pulled up why don't hold i got it right here Sloan for mellow was Harry a royal in order you got it
19:46 --> 19:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I wrote the tweet out.
19:48 --> 19:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, so.
19:50 --> 19:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they have kid Anderson just baseball at twenty four.
19:53 --> 19:54 [SPEAKER_00]: So for anybody curious.
19:55 --> 19:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Very guys pretty good.
19:56 --> 19:56 [SPEAKER_00]: He is the.
19:58 --> 20:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I think these got I think our guys over at just baseball have them as the third highest rated player from this draft class as we currently stand in the initial updated rankings.
20:08 --> 20:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I think even holidays ahead of them and I think Eli will.
20:10 --> 20:10 [SPEAKER_00]: It's as ahead of them.
20:11 --> 20:13 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, it's all pretty close.
20:13 --> 20:14 [SPEAKER_00]: And I would remember make the list low.
20:16 --> 20:18 [SPEAKER_00]: No, he was not on the list.
20:19 --> 20:20 [SPEAKER_00]: He did not track the top hundred.
20:22 --> 20:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Very interesting.
20:24 --> 20:25 [SPEAKER_02]: God, I was going to say something.
20:25 --> 20:25 [SPEAKER_02]: I forgot.
20:26 --> 20:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Prospect, twins, deadline.
20:28 --> 20:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, this is off topic.
20:30 --> 20:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Who's rated higher at this time next year?
20:33 --> 20:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Sloan or Cade?
20:37 --> 20:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the pause tells you how unreal Ryan Sloan's been this year has been good.
20:43 --> 20:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he's going anywhere.
20:45 --> 20:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the only way the Mariners trade right in Sloan is if again one of our pie in the sky trade ideas of Ronald Acunia came true.
20:52 --> 20:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, then that.
20:53 --> 20:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he's going anywhere.
20:56 --> 21:04 [SPEAKER_02]: So the answer to my question is... Dude, I think I'm gonna go with Sloan.
21:04 --> 21:06 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that's the hottest take in the world.
21:08 --> 21:08 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think so.
21:09 --> 21:09 [SPEAKER_02]: It'll be close.
21:09 --> 21:16 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's going to be hard to, like, came and had to be really bad to drop for more is right now.
21:17 --> 21:20 [SPEAKER_00]: But what is low and just jumps way up rather than key dropping?
21:20 --> 21:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, having two top twenty five pitching prospects in your system is never a bad thing.
21:25 --> 21:28 [SPEAKER_02]: So I think the Meredith would very easily take that.
21:28 --> 21:30 [SPEAKER_02]: But that's the kind of farm system you're dealing with right now.
21:31 --> 21:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Like think of it.
21:31 --> 21:41 [SPEAKER_02]: If you wanted to go trade for one of your pie in the sky guys, you could trade one of your blue blue blue blue blue blue chip pitching prospects and still have another one.
21:43 --> 21:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Pretty crazy.
21:45 --> 21:47 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a pretty crazy thought.
21:47 --> 22:02 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think of that because I don't think this was a real rumor out there, but someone was floating out there today, or yesterday that the price for Duran that the twins were asking the fillies for was Andrew Painter.
22:03 --> 22:04 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's absurd.
22:05 --> 22:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Andrew Painter, but if you're unfamiliar, he was going to make the Phillies opening day rotation in twenty three.
22:13 --> 22:18 [SPEAKER_02]: I think if I have that right twenty three, I think I would have been twenty four or twenty four.
22:18 --> 22:19 [SPEAKER_02]: He was twenty at the time.
22:19 --> 22:22 [SPEAKER_02]: He got Tommy John in spring training, I believe, right?
22:22 --> 22:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
22:23 --> 22:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Otherwise he was he was a top five prospect and he was going to be slam dunk as a twenty year old starting the season in the Phillies rotation.
22:31 --> 22:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Like that's the kind of prospect this person floated out there.
22:35 --> 22:44 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how true that is to be honest, but seeing the price of two top one hundred prospects and knowing that painer is recovering from Tommy John, not the craziest thing in the world to ask for.
22:44 --> 22:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Or sorry, it is crazy to ask for, but comparing the two, it's not not crazy.
22:52 --> 22:54 [SPEAKER_00]: So what exactly are the mariners going to do here?
22:55 --> 22:57 [SPEAKER_00]: We, times run it out.
22:58 --> 23:02 [SPEAKER_02]: I think at this point they're going to have to trade two top one hundred prospects if they want one of these guys.
23:02 --> 23:05 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm getting the feeling that the twins are not not budging.
23:06 --> 23:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Do the twins don't feel like the easiest team to trade with.
23:09 --> 23:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to be honest.
23:10 --> 23:12 [SPEAKER_00]: We talk about the Orioles being a top team to trade with and they are.
23:13 --> 23:17 [SPEAKER_00]: But the twins don't feel like the easiest team in the world to make deals with.
23:18 --> 23:19 [SPEAKER_00]: It just seems like that's how they operate.
23:19 --> 23:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I know eventually the Mariners got the deal done for Jorge Polanco, but remember how long the Mariners talked about how they were interested in Polo, but that deal just never got done and they could never push it over the finish line.
23:32 --> 23:38 [SPEAKER_00]: And part of me makes me wonder in that regard if again, it's just very hard to make trades with twins.
23:39 --> 23:47 [SPEAKER_02]: This deal is also just so much different because how much more control jacks and deron have, and they're not making as much money as Polanco.
23:49 --> 23:55 [SPEAKER_02]: And they don't have like, with Polanco, right, they at least had a replacement kind of ready for a Miranda was the replacement, right?
23:55 --> 23:57 [SPEAKER_02]: If I think I remember that, right, was a Jose Miranda?
23:58 --> 23:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
23:59 --> 24:00 [SPEAKER_02]: So they had a kind of replacement ready.
24:00 --> 24:04 [SPEAKER_02]: And it was a lot easier of a decision with Jackson and Doran.
24:04 --> 24:07 [SPEAKER_02]: It's, I don't think it's, it's quite that.
24:07 --> 24:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Can I go off on another tangent here for a second?
24:09 --> 24:12 [SPEAKER_02]: A man who costs a move ruin this deadline.
24:12 --> 24:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, hang on, hang on, say that again.
24:14 --> 24:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Before you get to that, say the line again, but I'll say before you get to what you're going to ran about, I do want to touch on a couple of other things after this, which is a couple other conspiracies and rumors.
24:25 --> 24:27 [SPEAKER_00]: And then we, in the Mariners world, by the way.
24:28 --> 24:30 [SPEAKER_00]: And then we can start to wrap up.
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25:17 --> 25:17 [SPEAKER_00]: What do you got?
25:18 --> 25:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I was gonna say a manual class I ruined this deadline.
25:22 --> 25:22 [SPEAKER_02]: He ruined it.
25:23 --> 25:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Can we explain why he did?
25:25 --> 25:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Because in case you missed it earlier this week, he got essentially, he got put on paid leave at a suspicion of gambling suspicion.
25:37 --> 25:39 [SPEAKER_02]: So he suspended through the end of August.
25:39 --> 25:41 [SPEAKER_02]: So he is off the trademark it completely.
25:41 --> 25:44 [SPEAKER_02]: And it sounded like the guardians were shopping him completely around.
25:45 --> 25:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Teams were interested in him.
25:47 --> 25:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Now that class says off the market, that drives out the price on every other reliever.
25:53 --> 26:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Because if you have all these, if you have, let's say four elite relievers available on the trade deadline, that lowers the price of all of them because there's less, there's more pieces to go around.
26:04 --> 26:05 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm holding for up.
26:05 --> 26:10 [SPEAKER_02]: This is when you should be watching on YouTube right now, because here's how the math is gonna work out with this, right?
26:10 --> 26:11 [SPEAKER_02]: So we have our four elite guys.
26:12 --> 26:13 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna name here.
26:13 --> 26:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Class A, Kate Smith of the Guardians, and then Doron and Jacks, right?
26:18 --> 26:19 [SPEAKER_02]: We got four right here.
26:19 --> 26:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you wanna throw a Felix into that too, Batista?
26:24 --> 26:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't feel like he was being talked as much.
26:27 --> 26:32 [SPEAKER_00]: where those Orioles guys haven't been talked about as much in general like Ryan or her talk has been basically non-existent.
26:32 --> 26:34 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I can use fine.
26:34 --> 26:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's let's put Felix on there.
26:35 --> 26:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's put P Fairbanks on there right now.
26:37 --> 26:38 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's that's six.
26:38 --> 26:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Our bednor is seven, right?
26:40 --> 26:43 [SPEAKER_02]: But the the the the point of this still stands at this point.
26:44 --> 26:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Once you take class say off the board.
26:46 --> 26:49 [SPEAKER_02]: That shrinks the pool of available elite relievers.
26:49 --> 26:56 [SPEAKER_02]: And then because class A's off the board now, no one's going to touch him with the ten foot pole, given that he gets suspended for gambling suspended for gambling.
26:57 --> 26:59 [SPEAKER_02]: The guardians aren't going to trade kidsmith.
26:59 --> 26:59 [SPEAKER_02]: They won't think about.
27:00 --> 27:03 [SPEAKER_02]: It was already suspect before whether or not they're going to think about trading him.
27:03 --> 27:09 [SPEAKER_02]: They're definitely not trading him now because their closer is going to could get suspended for gambling.
27:09 --> 27:12 [SPEAKER_02]: So now, instead of seven, we only have five relievers available.
27:12 --> 27:14 [SPEAKER_02]: And now the price on everyone else goes up.
27:15 --> 27:17 [SPEAKER_02]: And all the other teams are like, we don't want to pay that much.
27:18 --> 27:20 [SPEAKER_02]: We can't pay that much for a reliever.
27:20 --> 27:21 [SPEAKER_02]: That's crazy talk.
27:22 --> 27:32 [SPEAKER_02]: So, if Class A and Kate Smith were kind of still available, it would help the Mariners out a lot, but Class A would probably throw a wrench into multiple teams' plans.
27:33 --> 27:35 [SPEAKER_00]: And honestly, I know you ended up adding
27:36 --> 27:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Fairbanks and Bednar at the end there.
27:38 --> 27:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I would put them at tier below.
27:39 --> 27:45 [SPEAKER_00]: The guys were talking about right now because those guys are good, but they're not quite on the class I jacks, deran level.
27:45 --> 27:47 [SPEAKER_00]: They're just not quite that same guy.
27:47 --> 27:49 [SPEAKER_00]: They're very good, but a step below.
27:49 --> 27:50 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, you're right.
27:50 --> 28:03 [SPEAKER_00]: If you take those two off the board and then you assume Felix Batista isn't getting traded paired with the fact that, well, he's been good, but his stuff hasn't quite been the same prime King Felix Batista if you want to use that nickname for him.
28:04 --> 28:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't, but people in Baltimore sort of use it.
28:09 --> 28:13 [SPEAKER_00]: He is not quite had the same level of stuff as he had before he had the Tommy John.
28:13 --> 28:18 [SPEAKER_00]: So you're right, by Clause, being a chess piece now, taking off the board.
28:19 --> 28:45 [SPEAKER_00]: that takes everything down to the twins and the two twins were believers which is probably why you've got the twins you're sitting and asking for two top a hundred prospects because they're saying well what are you going to do otherwise you can either take a step below and go get a reliever that's good but they're not the level the level of our guys aka fair banks bednar maybe a slight step below them too but still good would be calfine again like he's probably in the third step on this list below those two levels but still good reliever
28:45 --> 28:50 [SPEAKER_00]: So they either say, yeah, take a lesser arm or give us the package we want because
28:51 --> 28:55 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what's crazy on top of this, speaking of Jim Bowden being in the news this week and talking about reports.
28:56 --> 29:01 [SPEAKER_00]: He was on bal territory after this class I stuff went down and he said, look for everything I understand.
29:01 --> 29:08 [SPEAKER_00]: A manual class I was going to get moved at this deadline and I said, whoa, because I assumed it wasn't going to happen.
29:09 --> 29:17 [SPEAKER_00]: And I assumed that there would be talks and people would offer packages, but in the end, I was like, you know what, the guardians never usually full fire sale.
29:17 --> 29:19 [SPEAKER_00]: So I would have a hard time believing they're going to do this with class A.
29:20 --> 29:22 [SPEAKER_00]: until Bowden said he was going to get traded.
29:22 --> 29:33 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's a shot to the heart, number one, because I would have been over the moon to see a manual class in America in his uniform, but it also screws over a bunch of deadline plans, because it's one less guy available.
29:34 --> 29:40 [SPEAKER_02]: My cutoff relievers that I think the Mariners need right now is the Fairbanks David Bednar level.
29:40 --> 29:44 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's the cutoff because the Mariners need they don't need good relievers in their bullpen.
29:44 --> 29:47 [SPEAKER_02]: They need like a dog in their bullpen.
29:47 --> 29:53 [SPEAKER_02]: They need another guy to throw in the seventh eighth and ninth inning with a lead who's going to go in and he's going to eviscerate an opponent.
29:54 --> 29:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, that's what they need right now.
29:55 --> 29:59 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's why I say, like, I'm still sitting here and I want those twins guys.
29:59 --> 30:03 [SPEAKER_02]: I think those twins guys are what this Mariners roster needs to take that next step.
30:04 --> 30:09 [SPEAKER_02]: If you're going to target a reliever, you might as well target the top and just be really, really fucking good.
30:09 --> 30:17 [SPEAKER_02]: You might as well, because if they're going to go out and they're going to go trade for Jake bird, you have Jake bird in your bullpen already.
30:17 --> 30:19 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't need another one.
30:20 --> 30:20 [SPEAKER_02]: I promise.
30:21 --> 30:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Jake Bird is a reliever with the Rockies.
30:24 --> 30:30 [SPEAKER_02]: He got off to a hot start this year, but he's just been mid essentially.
30:31 --> 30:37 [SPEAKER_02]: His area is high because he pictures a course field, but even so he doesn't strike out an unbelievable amount of batters.
30:37 --> 30:38 [SPEAKER_02]: His stuff's not
30:39 --> 30:57 [SPEAKER_02]: otherworldly like that just doesn't interest me and there's reports out there today from both cramer and jude that they were looking at to other relievers on the rockies and stuff halvers in he who throws really hard but hasn't been all that effective he still doesn't even strike out that many batters even throw it even though he throws that hard
30:58 --> 31:00 [SPEAKER_02]: One may he is a rookie with the rocky.
31:00 --> 31:05 [SPEAKER_02]: He might be the best of the three, but still just not an overwhelming kind of guy.
31:05 --> 31:10 [SPEAKER_02]: They've talked about like a step down for in twins relievers like Danny Colone.
31:11 --> 31:11 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm saying that right.
31:11 --> 31:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Danny Colone.
31:13 --> 31:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Has had a very productive year.
31:14 --> 31:16 [SPEAKER_02]: He's going to area of one one six.
31:16 --> 31:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Great.
31:16 --> 31:18 [SPEAKER_02]: He throws ninety miles an hour.
31:18 --> 31:20 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not a leverage reliever.
31:20 --> 31:21 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.
31:21 --> 31:24 [SPEAKER_02]: And then Brock Stewart's another guy in the twin's bullpen who's been really good.
31:25 --> 31:26 [SPEAKER_02]: He has been really good this year.
31:26 --> 31:28 [SPEAKER_02]: But he's sitting at thirty four innings right now.
31:28 --> 31:31 [SPEAKER_02]: His career high innings is thirty four and a third.
31:31 --> 31:33 [SPEAKER_02]: And he's been mired with injuries in his career.
31:34 --> 31:39 [SPEAKER_02]: That to me, if you trade for any of those guys, it might make you a little bit better, but I don't want a little bit better.
31:40 --> 31:43 [SPEAKER_02]: You need a leverage arm, please.
31:44 --> 31:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's why you need to trade the prospects.
31:46 --> 31:54 [SPEAKER_00]: And you know what, I'm going to amend the statement here on Kyle Finigan, because while his first three months of the year were really good, he has had an atrocity of a July.
31:54 --> 31:56 [SPEAKER_00]: And his numbers have taken a big dip as a result since.
31:56 --> 32:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if you look at his results by month this year, April, three, oh, ninety are a really good.
32:02 --> 32:06 [SPEAKER_00]: May two are a great June, two, sixty one are a great
32:06 --> 32:10 [SPEAKER_00]: So far here in July, he's gotten eleven twenty-five ERA and his whips close to two.
32:11 --> 32:15 [SPEAKER_00]: And as a result, then you go look at his Savampage and all the peripherals are down.
32:15 --> 32:18 [SPEAKER_00]: And when you look at Finn again, he's not getting a lot of swing and miss.
32:18 --> 32:20 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not striking a ton of guys out.
32:20 --> 32:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Walk rate is okay.
32:22 --> 32:26 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, well, he might not even be in that real third tier.
32:26 --> 32:28 [SPEAKER_00]: He might just be like you said another guy.
32:28 --> 32:33 [SPEAKER_00]: He might be closer to the Jake Bird territory like we were just talking about rather than being a true upgrade.
32:34 --> 32:38 [SPEAKER_02]: You already have Trent Thornton in Edward Bazarto in your bullpen.
32:38 --> 32:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Like you just don't need more.
32:40 --> 32:42 [SPEAKER_00]: What about a reunion with our guy Justin Topa?
32:45 --> 32:46 [SPEAKER_00]: He's been, he's been okay.
32:46 --> 32:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was gonna say is he pitching all enough for me to say that he would be above those guys.
32:51 --> 32:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Probably not.
32:52 --> 32:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Alright, how about that?
32:53 --> 33:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Selfishly, I would love Topa back just to hang out with, but if we're talking from a baseball perspective, leverage arm in the bullpen, if twenty twenty three Justin Topa wants to come back,
33:05 --> 33:05 [SPEAKER_00]: That would work.
33:06 --> 33:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, hey, he's not walking anybody and he's not giving up hard contact, but his ERA is at about four this year.
33:12 --> 33:14 [SPEAKER_00]: It's three, nine, eight to the exact.
33:14 --> 33:19 [SPEAKER_00]: As we're sitting here recording and the swing in this numbers aren't quite there this year.
33:19 --> 33:22 [SPEAKER_02]: If he's a third reliever, they acquire the deadline.
33:22 --> 33:23 [SPEAKER_02]: That'd be perfect.
33:23 --> 33:27 [SPEAKER_02]: So how about we have someone to hang out with and you still can watch Griffin Jackson?
33:27 --> 33:31 [SPEAKER_00]: So how about they trade for a package of jacks and topa?
33:32 --> 33:46 [SPEAKER_02]: would it be crazy if the Mariners if we're talking all in and Jerry wants to say all in is it batshit insane to trade for both of them drawn in jacks i mean no because
33:47 --> 33:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, okay, let me amend that.
33:49 --> 33:52 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a little crazy because you'd have to give up so much to do it.
33:53 --> 33:54 [SPEAKER_00]: But you know what, man?
33:55 --> 34:00 [SPEAKER_00]: You look at your bullpen for the next three postseason runs and it's Andre's Muno's Matt Brash.
34:01 --> 34:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Yo on to ran Griffin Jack's Gabe Spire, your sixth guys Edward Bazardo.
34:07 --> 34:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, dude.
34:08 --> 34:19 [SPEAKER_00]: And especially those first five, if you're not gonna out hit teams because your oven just really isn't built to do that, especially a lot of the postseason teams, this is gonna be how you have to win games.
34:19 --> 34:22 [SPEAKER_00]: And you're not finding a better bullpen than that in baseball.
34:22 --> 34:25 [SPEAKER_00]: If you go get both of those guys, you're not.
34:25 --> 34:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
34:27 --> 34:30 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not a slam dunk.
34:30 --> 34:32 [SPEAKER_01]: It's gonna be expensive.
34:34 --> 34:36 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's, it's a thought.
34:37 --> 34:38 [SPEAKER_02]: It's worth the thought.
34:38 --> 34:42 [SPEAKER_02]: You're going to have to tie the value of four top one hundred prospects into one trade package.
34:43 --> 34:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Is that four of your lower top one hundred prospects?
34:47 --> 34:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Or is that Johnny Farmillo?
34:51 --> 34:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
34:52 --> 34:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
34:52 --> 34:54 [SPEAKER_02]: For two of both of them.
34:54 --> 34:54 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
34:54 --> 35:01 [SPEAKER_00]: So let's say the Mariners talk it down to three because again, the two top one hundred prospects for relievers still seems like a lot.
35:01 --> 35:02 [SPEAKER_00]: So let's call it this.
35:04 --> 35:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's say it's one of the guys toward the bottom of the list.
35:07 --> 35:09 [SPEAKER_00]: And a couple guys in the middle of your top a hundred.
35:10 --> 35:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Blas.
35:13 --> 35:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Lower on the list would be Harry Ford because of twin zinc catching.
35:17 --> 35:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Harry Ford, but the twins top catching prospects.
35:19 --> 35:21 [SPEAKER_02]: They're seventeenth prospect and he's also now fielder.
35:21 --> 35:24 [SPEAKER_02]: So yes, Harry Ford actually works very well in this trade.
35:25 --> 35:33 [SPEAKER_02]: So let's say, las, let's say, Harry, and then it's going to have to derangelo.
35:35 --> 35:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and, and, and, and, and Jorangelo at least per some outlets isn't a top a hundred guy, but God, when he's just been a right hand to start of this year, he has been so good.
35:43 --> 35:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
35:43 --> 35:46 [SPEAKER_00]: That, that feels like a package that's pretty fair.
35:46 --> 35:50 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's a lot, but you know what, guys, if that's what they trade.
35:51 --> 35:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Then fine, look at what your system remains of.
35:54 --> 35:54 [SPEAKER_00]: You still have Colt.
35:55 --> 35:56 [SPEAKER_00]: You still have K. You still have Sloan.
35:56 --> 35:57 [SPEAKER_00]: You still have Johnny.
35:58 --> 36:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And those are your big four guys to be honest with you at this point.
36:01 --> 36:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Like Colton Johnny or the two, I'd say big offensive prospects.
36:06 --> 36:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I know there's probably people that are now going to get mad that I'm not including lads in there.
36:10 --> 36:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, we just traded less.
36:12 --> 36:13 [SPEAKER_00]: One, we just traded him.
36:13 --> 36:16 [SPEAKER_00]: And two, again, you guys, like, we are big, Lizara Montez fans.
36:16 --> 36:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how many times we can stress it.
36:17 --> 36:19 [SPEAKER_00]: He's such an awesome dude.
36:19 --> 36:21 [SPEAKER_00]: And we are rooting for this guy to be awesome.
36:21 --> 36:25 [SPEAKER_00]: But just objectively as a prospect, he is striking out a ton.
36:26 --> 36:28 [SPEAKER_00]: He has to match to be a prospect.
36:29 --> 36:33 [SPEAKER_00]: There are questions about what is defensive positions going to be long term if he has won it all.
36:34 --> 36:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And while I hate to use batting average, I really do because we're so against it on this podcast, just to put some context on it, he's only hitting about two, twenty in double a right now.
36:43 --> 36:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I know he's twenty years old, but he's in a big slump.
36:47 --> 36:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I could swallow trading those three guys to get Jackson to Ram.
36:52 --> 36:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I could.
36:53 --> 36:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Because honestly, like, while it would suck to lose those guys, you're not like,
37:00 --> 37:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Think about this system as a big four, and in my opinion, the big four at this point are cade, Sloan, Colt, Johnny, not in that order, Colt's the top prospect, but somewhat of that order.
37:10 --> 37:16 [SPEAKER_00]: And you didn't trade any of those four guys to go get two of the best relievers in baseball for the next three postseason runs.
37:17 --> 37:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, our friend podcast Jason Churchill just for some context on Lazar's time and double A. We've seen some of the home runs, but in terms of his last fifty three at Batsy is eight hits in that stretch with twenty five strikeouts.
37:32 --> 37:37 [SPEAKER_02]: So the swing and miss, again, is part of Lazar's game, and it's shown a little bit in double eye.
37:37 --> 37:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Thankfully, he's twenty through the rest of the season.
37:39 --> 37:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Guys, as we try to emphasize, he's twenty years old.
37:43 --> 37:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Give him a year and let him develop.
37:47 --> 37:50 [SPEAKER_02]: But that doesn't mean he's untouchable because he's not an untouchable prospect.
37:50 --> 37:56 [SPEAKER_02]: The Mariners, as we said, don't really have an untouchable prospect at this point, depending on who's available.
37:57 --> 37:59 [SPEAKER_02]: But for trading for both those relievers.
37:59 --> 38:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think most of the guys in the middle of the farm system.
38:01 --> 38:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Heck, if you wanted to shrink it down to not giving up the volume of top one under guys, but trade one of your upper end prospects like to be honest, I could listen.
38:11 --> 38:12 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not going to be cold.
38:13 --> 38:13 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not going to be cade.
38:15 --> 38:16 [SPEAKER_02]: It's probably not going to be Ryan Sloan.
38:16 --> 38:18 [SPEAKER_02]: That's where it probably comes back to Johnny Farmello.
38:19 --> 38:24 [SPEAKER_02]: But like, I would listen, and it might hurt you in the end, but you know, it also hurt missing the playoffs.
38:25 --> 38:29 [SPEAKER_00]: So it would be him and then some other flyer prospects, but Farmello's the headliner.
38:29 --> 38:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Johnny, one other top one hundred guy, and then a flyer probably.
38:34 --> 38:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Johnny, Harry, and a flyer.
38:37 --> 38:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Someone else.
38:38 --> 38:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, a lottery ticket.
38:39 --> 38:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Somebody probably, that's decently far away.
38:43 --> 38:48 [SPEAKER_00]: But again, that's three runs you get at a postseason where you have five leverage arms.
38:49 --> 38:50 [SPEAKER_00]: How many bullpens have that?
38:52 --> 38:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm thinking about the idea of Muno's brash, Doran, and Jacks.
38:56 --> 39:02 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's not even including gay, which maybe isn't fair, but like even those four alone without spire is crazy.
39:03 --> 39:11 [SPEAKER_02]: So I want to think about, and we're not even anticipating them developing in this scenario, any other guys, or trading for any other guys, or signing any other guys for this bullpen.
39:11 --> 39:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Super bullpins are a thing.
39:13 --> 39:13 [SPEAKER_02]: They're very fun.
39:14 --> 39:14 [SPEAKER_02]: It's good to have it.
39:14 --> 39:16 [SPEAKER_02]: It definitely helps out a rotation, which
39:17 --> 39:21 [SPEAKER_02]: You think you assume is your strength, but it's very hard to repeat that year over year.
39:21 --> 39:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Just like bullpen arms.
39:23 --> 39:28 [SPEAKER_02]: If you have five lever charms, say two of them are having off-years, you still have three other ones.
39:28 --> 39:29 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a good problem to have.
39:32 --> 39:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Dude, I'm in a twist with this deadline.
39:34 --> 39:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Part of me just wants it to be over, because I'm getting tired of all those scenarios, and I'm tired of nothing else happening.
39:39 --> 39:44 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's also stressing me out, because I want to see them add more bullpen arms, because they need bullpen arms.
39:46 --> 39:49 [SPEAKER_02]: And they still honestly, well, they need more offense at their base.
39:49 --> 39:50 [SPEAKER_02]: They do.
39:51 --> 39:58 [SPEAKER_02]: But the problem is if you don't get Willie Castro, there's a point where it might not even be worth it to upgrade.
39:58 --> 40:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, because once you get past Gino and Castro, who's even available at their base, it doesn't exist.
40:03 --> 40:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess no one is an auto, but I don't think that's happening between he keeps declining.
40:07 --> 40:09 [SPEAKER_00]: He's got to know trade clause.
40:09 --> 40:10 [SPEAKER_00]: The money is real.
40:10 --> 40:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Just doesn't feel like a fit.
40:13 --> 40:16 [SPEAKER_02]: And like, I don't know, Brennan, it's Brennan down of an available.
40:16 --> 40:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'd be all over it if he is, but I don't know if he is.
40:22 --> 40:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you know, I was going to say, I think we forgot to include a reliever in this conversation.
40:28 --> 40:32 [SPEAKER_00]: We are on the same way like we forgot one guy.
40:32 --> 40:33 [SPEAKER_02]: We've not been talking about Ryan.
40:33 --> 40:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Hell's it all.
40:34 --> 40:37 [SPEAKER_02]: I would also think his price is very high right now.
40:39 --> 40:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Probably.
40:40 --> 40:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Early in the year, he wasn't having like his typical Ryan Hellsley level season.
40:45 --> 40:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Now it's, I mean, it's still the worst year he's had in a few seasons now, but regardless, I mean, you're still taking the chance.
40:54 --> 40:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he throws a hundred and four, so yes, you're taking him.
40:57 --> 41:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you do, because he's pretty unhead of all when he's at his best.
41:02 --> 41:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and most of the underlying stuff looks good.
41:04 --> 41:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, his big thing is the thing that's kind of hurt most of his career if you want to even use the word hurt because he's been so good.
41:09 --> 41:10 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, he walks guys.
41:10 --> 41:12 [SPEAKER_00]: When you throw that hard, it's hard to have pinpoint commands.
41:13 --> 41:21 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, he's he in the derand jacks level, or as the year he's had put him more in the fair banks bucket.
41:22 --> 41:24 [SPEAKER_02]: I would put him on the top level.
41:25 --> 41:26 [SPEAKER_02]: He's been pretty nasty.
41:27 --> 41:29 [SPEAKER_02]: And relievers are, like I said, little volatile.
41:30 --> 41:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes they pitch in such small samples that things can vary.
41:35 --> 41:38 [SPEAKER_02]: And you don't get two hundred and ten innings to smooth things out.
41:38 --> 41:39 [SPEAKER_02]: You get sixty.
41:40 --> 41:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Weirdly, it's basketball's gotten destroyed this year.
41:45 --> 41:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Just because you throw hard does not mean you're good.
41:49 --> 41:50 [SPEAKER_02]: You got to do other things.
41:51 --> 41:53 [SPEAKER_02]: It's got to be other elements to make stuff good.
41:53 --> 41:58 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's it's like why our comedies Camino was never an all-time great mariner.
41:58 --> 42:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, this is more why I wonder if he is more in the fair banks bednar level rather than the jacks to ran level because Hell's Lee thing is his sliders almost always been his out pitch his true like swing and miss offering in this year.
42:14 --> 42:15 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the same story.
42:15 --> 42:16 [SPEAKER_00]: His sliders been gross.
42:17 --> 42:23 [SPEAKER_00]: But the force team are usually compliments it really well because it's thrown so hard and
42:24 --> 42:26 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's effective enough by run value.
42:26 --> 42:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Right now, it's getting destroyed, opponents are hitting over four hundred against his fastball.
42:32 --> 42:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Regardless of where you put him, he's still someone I put solidly in the bucket, the Mariners need to get.
42:38 --> 42:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, I won't help in the back end of their bullpen.
42:40 --> 42:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I want Ryan Hellsley.
42:42 --> 42:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying, I don't think the package for him should be the level of Jackson to ran one because he's a rental and two because he just hasn't been as good as he has the previous three years.
42:51 --> 42:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Great, Jerry, go get him.
42:54 --> 42:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let Trent Blank and Pete Woodworth do whatever they have to do to fix them.
42:58 --> 43:00 [SPEAKER_00]: And I can really fix them just tweak a couple things.
43:01 --> 43:06 [SPEAKER_02]: To wrap up this train of thought, like the Mariners do need bullpen arms by Thursday.
43:06 --> 43:09 [SPEAKER_02]: They cannot go into Thursday at three PM without bullpen arms.
43:09 --> 43:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Cannot do it.
43:11 --> 43:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sensing if it keeps going like this.
43:15 --> 43:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Man, I'm sensing a potential heated Friday, episode like a Friday episode.
43:19 --> 43:21 [SPEAKER_00]: People might want to mark on their calendars.
43:22 --> 43:24 [SPEAKER_00]: It feels like there's going to be some emotions that get let out on Friday.
43:24 --> 43:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that'll happen.
43:26 --> 43:29 [SPEAKER_02]: I just don't want to blame the other teams at this deadline.
43:29 --> 43:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, get something done.
43:34 --> 43:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Haven't worked out.
43:35 --> 43:35 [SPEAKER_02]: We're mariners fans.
43:35 --> 43:37 [SPEAKER_02]: We've suffered long enough.
43:37 --> 43:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Have something finally work out for us.
43:41 --> 43:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Is there any chance Thursdays just gonna be insane?
43:44 --> 43:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Because it's dragged out this long, the ton of deals get done on Thursday.
43:47 --> 43:48 [SPEAKER_00]: There's always a chance.
43:48 --> 43:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, always.
43:49 --> 43:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
43:50 --> 43:51 [SPEAKER_02]: That'll be great for us.
43:52 --> 44:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Help us with the energy levels on Thursday's episode or Friday's episode as opposed to today, or we purposely, as you mentioned on Monday's episode, we used to record the Wednesday episode on Monday, but today we decided to just wait because, oh, what if there's a trade?
44:09 --> 44:10 [SPEAKER_00]: And we got Jack Squat.
44:11 --> 44:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're as we're recording here.
44:13 --> 44:15 [SPEAKER_00]: We're getting close to about ten p.m.
44:15 --> 44:15 [SPEAKER_00]: on Tuesday.
44:17 --> 44:17 [SPEAKER_00]: No trades.
44:18 --> 44:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.
44:18 --> 44:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Sir Anthony Dominguez got traded.
44:20 --> 44:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Although, let me forget about Sir Anthony Dominguez, who started the day in an Orioles uniform, walked over to the blue jays clubhouse and then pitched against the Orioles in the second game of a double header.
44:28 --> 44:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Kendall Grayman, if I ever saw one.
44:31 --> 44:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Talked tell me about it.
44:34 --> 44:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, man, like we tried to wait as long as we possibly could just in case trades went down weight and we didn't want to miss anything.
44:42 --> 44:45 [SPEAKER_00]: But no still no trades.
44:45 --> 44:46 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
44:46 --> 44:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I got two conspiracies and then one little other note before we wrap things up.
44:51 --> 44:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Number one, we forgot to talk about this on Sunday, but speaking of
44:56 --> 45:08 [SPEAKER_00]: like watching hashtag huggwatch and watching potential roster moves that happen with other teams or down on the farm to see like what in the world is going on and trying to piece things together for trade deadline season.
45:09 --> 45:15 [SPEAKER_00]: So Teddy McGraw was supposed to have this autograph signing for the aquasox last minute.
45:15 --> 45:18 [SPEAKER_00]: He gets like yanked from the autograph signing.
45:18 --> 45:21 [SPEAKER_00]: They have to find somebody else to replace them and they did.
45:24 --> 45:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Teddy McGraw's still here.
45:26 --> 45:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I thought on Sunday when somebody gets yanked from an autograph signing like that's so late that he was gonna be a piece in a trade, but nothing.
45:37 --> 45:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe, uh, maybe stubbed his toe.
45:41 --> 45:43 [SPEAKER_00]: So we can't sign some baseballs, I don't know.
45:43 --> 45:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know, maybe maybe get the flu.
45:47 --> 45:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Like that.
45:47 --> 45:50 [SPEAKER_02]: That happened earlier this year, didn't it when someone got promoted?
45:51 --> 45:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Who was it?
45:53 --> 45:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I forget, but the timing of that is very odd.
45:57 --> 45:57 [SPEAKER_02]: It's funny.
45:58 --> 46:02 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure everyone gets a kick out of it and we're like, oh, it's like the division line earlier this year.
46:02 --> 46:07 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, which Mariners Twitter personality is gonna run with this first?
46:07 --> 46:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that Julio was in Japan.
46:11 --> 46:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it was us.
46:12 --> 46:13 [SPEAKER_00]: We ran with him.
46:13 --> 46:14 [SPEAKER_00]: We ran with him.
46:14 --> 46:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, this is why I said it to start of the show.
46:16 --> 46:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't get mad at you on Iran because this is the type of shit we do.
46:20 --> 46:26 [SPEAKER_00]: We cooked up this idea that Julio was in Japan to go recruit Roki Sasaki to play for the Mariners.
46:26 --> 46:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Divorce goes on Brock and Salk.
46:28 --> 46:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Of course, Brock needles me and Divish at the same time with the question.
46:31 --> 46:36 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, you will even report out of the Marine Lair podcast that Julio's over in Japan recruiting Roki.
46:37 --> 46:39 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, and Divish goes, you know, it's funny.
46:39 --> 46:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I had a bet with all the other writers saying which Mariners Twitter personality was gonna run with this person.
46:44 --> 46:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I gotta tell you, while in TJ, well, they won, they were right on it.
46:49 --> 46:50 [SPEAKER_02]: But he took Muse instead.
46:51 --> 46:53 [SPEAKER_00]: He took Muse, but we won.
46:53 --> 46:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
46:55 --> 46:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Shout out to us.
46:57 --> 46:58 [SPEAKER_02]: So nothing with Teddy McGraw.
46:58 --> 47:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Nothing with Teddy McGraw, but one that I would say is a little more intriguing than that.
47:03 --> 47:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and that one's more funny.
47:06 --> 47:11 [SPEAKER_00]: On a more serious note, it's been almost a week since Luke Rayley's played.
47:11 --> 47:13 [SPEAKER_00]: What in the world is going on?
47:14 --> 47:19 [SPEAKER_02]: This doesn't make much sense and it's been exactly since they traded for Nailer he hasn't played.
47:20 --> 47:21 [SPEAKER_02]: As far as we know, he's healthy.
47:23 --> 47:32 [SPEAKER_02]: But whenever they need a left-handed hitting outfielder, it's been doming the outfield when they've needed a left-handed hitting first base when it's been Nailer at first base.
47:33 --> 47:34 [SPEAKER_02]: If that's like what they believe now,
47:36 --> 47:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, what do you have to trade, Luke Rayleigh?
47:40 --> 47:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's a strangest thing.
47:41 --> 47:48 [SPEAKER_02]: We never thought once watching this season and said, yeah, Rayleigh's an odd man out here is going to be on the block.
47:48 --> 47:50 [SPEAKER_02]: This is like a very sudden instant thing.
47:50 --> 47:52 [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like we've seen.
47:54 --> 48:03 [SPEAKER_00]: like to not even really pinch hit to not get one start against the righty and I get it that Dom can't zone's been really good and he's forced the hand to keep him in the line of every day.
48:04 --> 48:11 [SPEAKER_00]: But I still figured there would be some way to work Rayleigh into these games, but not even a DH day.
48:11 --> 48:14 [SPEAKER_00]: And some of that's credit to Jorge Polanco because Polanco's had a really good July.
48:15 --> 48:17 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, it's
48:18 --> 48:19 [SPEAKER_00]: It's fascinating.
48:19 --> 48:22 [SPEAKER_02]: So if that's, he can keep all these guys on the roster together.
48:22 --> 48:25 [SPEAKER_02]: By the way, you can't just like leave Luke Raylee on the bench.
48:26 --> 48:32 [SPEAKER_00]: No, remember when they did that last April where for the first like three and a half weeks he barely played and we're like, what the hell is going on?
48:32 --> 48:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Like is he gonna play or not?
48:33 --> 48:34 [SPEAKER_00]: He's here, he's on the roster.
48:35 --> 48:45 [SPEAKER_00]: So if he's not gonna play, then yeah, it feels like you have to do something in the next day and a half, and that's why part of me wonders if he's not in the lineup because his name's in trade talks right now.
48:45 --> 48:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that for sure, but it makes you wonder, right?
48:49 --> 48:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Because there's a lot of left-handed bats that are better against the right-handed pitchers.
48:54 --> 48:56 [SPEAKER_00]: They clearly favor Kanson right now.
48:56 --> 49:01 [SPEAKER_00]: They just got Josh Nailer, and there's probably teams that would be more than happy to get Luke Rayleigh.
49:03 --> 49:05 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think they would hold him out for trade talks.
49:05 --> 49:12 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think he's that caliber of player to do that for is you risk ruining his risk ruining his value.
49:12 --> 49:21 [SPEAKER_02]: In fact, I think what they're doing right now probably hurts his value more than anything where it's like we'd rather play Dom Canzone over you every single day without even thinking about it.
49:21 --> 49:23 [SPEAKER_02]: So that part itself is not good.
49:23 --> 49:31 [SPEAKER_02]: It would make more sense to keep him on the roster if there was like a clear platoon swap out that you could put him in.
49:31 --> 49:32 [SPEAKER_02]: But there is it.
49:33 --> 49:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Like there's no spot where it like clearly makes sense that they've set this pecking order.
49:38 --> 49:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this is when Luke Rayley's gonna play.
49:42 --> 49:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Like no, I don't think so.
49:45 --> 49:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Like the only scenario you can think of to put him in a game is put him in when you've already taken either can zone or nail or out of the game because of a lefty reliever and then you put Rayley back into the game.
49:59 --> 50:06 [SPEAKER_02]: when there's a righty reliever on the mound, or the only other one is if you need a center fielder for Julio.
50:06 --> 50:07 [SPEAKER_02]: That's it.
50:08 --> 50:11 [SPEAKER_02]: But I forgot actually while Dom can zone, can play center now.
50:13 --> 50:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Why could he did it into coma?
50:15 --> 50:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
50:18 --> 50:19 [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't make much sense.
50:19 --> 50:20 [SPEAKER_02]: I did not see this one coming.
50:20 --> 50:22 [SPEAKER_02]: It puzzles me a little bit.
50:22 --> 50:24 [SPEAKER_02]: But they're going to operate this way.
50:24 --> 50:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I do truly think they got a trade one of their left-handed hitting corner outfielders.
50:29 --> 50:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they will in the next day and a half who knows.
50:32 --> 50:35 [SPEAKER_02]: And sending Dom down to AAA at this point just doesn't make much sense.
50:37 --> 50:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Doesn't make much sense.
50:38 --> 50:39 [SPEAKER_00]: It would be malpractice.
50:39 --> 50:39 [SPEAKER_02]: It would be.
50:40 --> 50:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
50:40 --> 50:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Just to keep Rayleigh on the roster.
50:41 --> 50:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I think you could probably still send Rayleigh down.
50:43 --> 50:45 [SPEAKER_02]: But again, that also doesn't make much sense.
50:46 --> 50:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Rayleigh still has options, but same idea.
50:48 --> 50:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Like you're not sending him down.
50:50 --> 50:50 [SPEAKER_02]: No.
50:51 --> 50:51 [SPEAKER_02]: That's kind of strange.
50:51 --> 50:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Not something I had on my bingo card this week.
50:54 --> 50:56 [SPEAKER_02]: But Luke Rayleigh watch has been hashtag on.
50:57 --> 51:01 [SPEAKER_02]: was the last thing you were going to mention, Tyler Lockley are heading to the Mariners.
51:01 --> 51:01 [SPEAKER_00]: It was.
51:02 --> 51:06 [SPEAKER_00]: So he got pulled out of the game for the right nearest here on Tuesday night.
51:06 --> 51:07 [SPEAKER_00]: He is on his way to Sacramento.
51:08 --> 51:12 [SPEAKER_00]: He's going to be activated for the Wednesday game for the Mariners by the time you're listening to this podcast.
51:13 --> 51:18 [SPEAKER_00]: The corresponding move hasn't been announced yet and it will happen at some point on Wednesday afternoon.
51:18 --> 51:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I assume this doesn't feel like a trade.
51:22 --> 51:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought earlier in the day maybe it would be and I talked to you about it when we were texting about it.
51:27 --> 51:34 [SPEAKER_00]: But the more I think about it, when you hear corresponding moves set to be made, that doesn't feel like a team saying, well, tomorrow we're going to announce a trade.
51:34 --> 51:36 [SPEAKER_00]: That feels like a roster move is coming.
51:37 --> 51:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And the couple that would make sense would be, Dylan Moore or Donovan Solano, probably,
51:48 --> 51:48 [SPEAKER_00]: getting DFA.
51:49 --> 51:51 [SPEAKER_00]: And if I had to pick one or the other, it would probably make more sense.
51:51 --> 51:53 [SPEAKER_00]: It was Solano at least for right now.
51:53 --> 51:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Only because that's the role lockler would fill where he's going to play against left hand pitching and play for space.
51:59 --> 52:00 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it'll be Solano.
52:00 --> 52:13 [SPEAKER_02]: You're not going to send a lefty down or cut a lefty because of, because of Tyler Lockler coming up, because Lockler can only play first base and demo at least plays other positions.
52:13 --> 52:20 [SPEAKER_02]: You're not going to swap a first basemen for utility player and then you have three first basemen and one less utility player.
52:20 --> 52:22 [SPEAKER_02]: That doesn't really make as much sense in that fact.
52:23 --> 52:35 [SPEAKER_02]: If you're worried that this means the Mariners, if they cut Salana instead of Dylan Moore, when this episode comes out on Wednesday, I have a hard time thinking Dylan Moore's going to still be here after Thursday.
52:35 --> 52:38 [SPEAKER_02]: The way I've seen people talk about it kind of makes sense.
52:38 --> 52:46 [SPEAKER_02]: I think Dylan Moore's on this roster until they get past the deadline, if they don't need him to even out salaries, then they'll just let him go.
52:47 --> 52:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and by that point, you'll call up Leo Rivas.
52:50 --> 52:56 [SPEAKER_00]: If you like Rivas moving forward, you can keep them, or once Miles Masterbone is ten days in the miners is up, then you bring Master back.
52:56 --> 52:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
52:57 --> 52:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
52:59 --> 53:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Some strange, strange things this week, Lyle.
53:02 --> 53:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Very.
53:03 --> 53:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Including Dylan Moore, a reportedly being available for trade.
53:07 --> 53:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Great.
53:09 --> 53:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, does anybody want Dylan Moore in trade?
53:15 --> 53:17 [SPEAKER_00]: The silence is saying it all.
53:17 --> 53:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Pretty telling.
53:18 --> 53:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
53:19 --> 53:24 [SPEAKER_00]: He is, he is two for his last fifty eight now, over his last two months.
53:24 --> 53:28 [SPEAKER_00]: His strikeout rate is fifty two percent in that time.
53:30 --> 53:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel bad because he's the longest tenured mariner.
53:33 --> 53:39 [SPEAKER_00]: He's done so many good things as that utility guy for a long time now, but it's just time.
53:39 --> 53:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Like it's, it's become undeniable.
53:42 --> 53:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you can't play him.
53:44 --> 53:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
53:46 --> 53:48 [SPEAKER_02]: There's no no no way to justify playing him.
53:49 --> 53:53 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was always kind of scratching my head at Leo Reeves getting sent down when he did.
53:53 --> 53:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought he was playing a nice role when he was here and I would still like to see him back here.
53:58 --> 53:58 [SPEAKER_00]: So we'll see.
53:59 --> 54:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, he'll probably come back up.
54:00 --> 54:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
54:01 --> 54:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, him or master, we'll see.
54:02 --> 54:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I do want to give one quick shout out to Tyler Lockler before we get out here because the big thing with him is his chase rates were just
54:11 --> 54:14 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, they were a real problem down in Tacoma for a lot of the year.
54:14 --> 54:17 [SPEAKER_00]: And that was probably a big reason why he hasn't seen the big leagues yet this year.
54:18 --> 54:20 [SPEAKER_00]: They've chilled out a little bit.
54:20 --> 54:24 [SPEAKER_00]: There's still a little bit below average as a whole when you look at the underlying numbers for a lot.
54:26 --> 54:36 [SPEAKER_00]: The fact the swing and miss and the chase has cooled out, like as really kind of fizzled down, strike out rate isn't crazy and he's hitting for so much power right now and he's hitting the ball with real authority.
54:37 --> 54:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's what Warren had this call up.
54:38 --> 54:40 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm excited to see what he can do.
54:40 --> 54:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Like this is a role at least for the next two months.
54:43 --> 54:46 [SPEAKER_00]: It was kind of carved out for him, play first base and match against lefties.
54:46 --> 54:48 [SPEAKER_02]: He made some swing changes.
54:48 --> 54:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, maybe we'll that when he officially gets called up, we can talk about a tiny bit more.
54:52 --> 54:57 [SPEAKER_02]: But he did make some swing changes down into coma when he after he was struggling earlier this year.
54:57 --> 54:59 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's really paid off.
54:59 --> 55:02 [SPEAKER_02]: I think his average exit velocity is like close to ninety five miles an hour.
55:02 --> 55:03 [SPEAKER_02]: That's insane.
55:04 --> 55:05 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what Aaron Judge does.
55:06 --> 55:07 [SPEAKER_02]: It's pretty pretty nuts.
55:08 --> 55:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's really good.
55:09 --> 55:10 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll see him on Wednesday.
55:11 --> 55:13 [SPEAKER_00]: And the next time you guys hear from us,
55:14 --> 55:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, one of two things will have happened.
55:17 --> 55:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Either we'll be doing an emergency episode because they actually made a trade or you'll hear from us on Friday morning when they've done nothing else.
55:23 --> 55:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sure that will be one colorful animated episode of put it lightly.
55:28 --> 55:34 [SPEAKER_00]: So you better mark your calendars because one way or another, I would say you don't want to miss these next episodes.
55:35 --> 55:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Buckle up folks.
55:36 --> 55:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
55:37 --> 55:38 [SPEAKER_00]: We are going to do a
55:40 --> 55:54 [SPEAKER_00]: little bit of a different show schedule next week because we owe you guys the mailbag episodes I know like because of the trade deadline and because of moves happening we've missed a couple mail bags especially last week when the nailer trade happened so because of that we're going to do two next week we're going to do one for Monday
55:55 --> 56:23 [SPEAKER_00]: and it's basically going to be a trade deadline mailbox send us all your thoughts send us your grades how do they do what do they miss will answer a bunch of those questions and then next Friday I'll be a pretty standard mailbag where you guys can just send us whatever you want so we all you got some mailbox we're going to do some mailbox but yeah the next couple days buckle up and lock in that'd be my to send some advice for everybody yeah all right I think that wraps up this edition of the marine layer podcasts you guys know the drill
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57:00 --> 57:00 [SPEAKER_00]: That's TJ.
57:00 --> 57:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm Lyle.
57:01 --> 57:03 [SPEAKER_00]: As always, thank you guys for tuning in.
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