Lyle and TJ react to the first full weekend of watching the new-look Mariners, discussing how impressed they are about what they saw (2:30). They then chat about Bryce Miller's first rehab outing (26:46), and the promotions of Jurrangelo Cijntje & Colt Emerson, and what to expect from the two of them in Arkansas (35:15).
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00:00 --> 00:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to episode number two, seventy eight of the Marine Lair podcast.
00:03 --> 00:05 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners take the series against the Rangers.
00:06 --> 00:08 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll dive into all the storylines from over the weekend.
00:08 --> 00:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Bryce Miller makes his first rehab start back from injury.
00:11 --> 00:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And we have a couple of high-profile promotions to talk about in the Mariners farm system.
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01:03 --> 01:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Layer podcast part of the just baseball podcast network recording on Monday evening August fourth.
01:12 --> 01:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I just want to say dog nice prediction.
01:14 --> 01:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Nice prediction on Monday's episode not knowing and you got it right.
01:20 --> 01:21 [SPEAKER_00]: That was pretty good.
01:22 --> 01:22 [SPEAKER_00]: That was pretty good.
01:23 --> 01:25 [SPEAKER_00]: We got a good YouTube comment on Monday's episode.
01:25 --> 01:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Let me see if I can find it while we pull it up.
01:27 --> 01:28 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, people were uh
01:29 --> 01:30 [SPEAKER_00]: People were impressed.
01:30 --> 01:31 [SPEAKER_00]: It's almost like a genie.
01:32 --> 01:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Given that we were out of the state this weekend for a wedding, I was, I kind of forgot.
01:36 --> 01:37 [SPEAKER_01]: You had made that prediction.
01:37 --> 01:38 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, we, I go ahead.
01:38 --> 01:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I edit the episode.
01:39 --> 01:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I schedule it.
01:40 --> 01:41 [SPEAKER_01]: And then it's like, all right.
01:41 --> 01:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, when it releases on Monday, like people will see, but I don't remember every single word we say in every single episode.
01:47 --> 01:48 [SPEAKER_01]: And then the comments start flooding in.
01:48 --> 01:50 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, yeah, loyal.
01:51 --> 01:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Nice job!
01:52 --> 01:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Three out of four against the Rangers.
01:54 --> 01:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And I sat here and I said, well, that's so optimistic of you, but I was in the wrong, not you.
02:00 --> 02:01 [SPEAKER_01]: So, congratulations.
02:01 --> 02:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Here's the comment.
02:03 --> 02:03 [SPEAKER_00]: It was pretty good.
02:04 --> 02:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Somebody said, while scripting Major League Baseball game, so he can host the baseball podcast in bulk recording sessions, instead of using his power for gambling, is a conspiracy I can buy.
02:13 --> 02:18 [SPEAKER_00]: It's full recording that fun.
02:20 --> 02:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I was gonna say I like recording timely.
02:23 --> 02:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I like recording when there's things that are of relevance and of time to talk about rather than having to do it in bulk.
02:28 --> 02:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Recording in bulk takes a lot of time.
02:30 --> 02:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Also guys, I'm not a manual class A. If I want to go bed on baseball games, I can do whatever I want.
02:37 --> 02:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, okay.
02:38 --> 02:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't do it online.
02:40 --> 02:42 [SPEAKER_00]: You can't sports bed online in Washington.
02:42 --> 02:50 [SPEAKER_00]: However, if I wanted to go to the casino and just bet all the time on the Mariners knowing in hindsight what was going to happen, I would go do that.
02:51 --> 02:52 [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm not a manual classic.
02:53 --> 02:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Or well, I'm not a manual classic, so I could go do that.
02:55 --> 02:56 [SPEAKER_00]: However, I'm not doing that.
02:57 --> 03:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm actually convinced you'd be banned from a casino if you knew what was happening.
03:02 --> 03:03 [SPEAKER_00]: But how would they know?
03:03 --> 03:06 [SPEAKER_00]: You'd be the only one with the internal knowledge they wouldn't know.
03:06 --> 03:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, do you ever plan on losing a bet?
03:10 --> 03:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, what's the fun in that?
03:12 --> 03:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, then they would realize, oh, this dude's won fifteen in a row.
03:15 --> 03:17 [SPEAKER_01]: He should, uh, go somewhere else.
03:18 --> 03:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Fine, and you pick the next casino.
03:23 --> 03:24 [SPEAKER_01]: What an experiment.
03:24 --> 03:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe we'll have to give a prediction every time out.
03:28 --> 03:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Should we try and keep your hot streak going?
03:30 --> 03:37 [SPEAKER_01]: There's an off day today as we're recording, but there will be one game between now and when this episode comes out.
03:37 --> 03:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Would you like to double down and see if you can keep rolling?
03:42 --> 03:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I would not because I want to save these predictions for when they're going to matter.
03:45 --> 03:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to use it on some weekday series against the white socks.
03:48 --> 03:49 [SPEAKER_00]: In fact, I just got this right.
03:49 --> 03:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Why don't I save it for games either down the stretch that are really important or if they get there during playoffs?
03:56 --> 03:57 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's lower profile.
03:58 --> 03:59 [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't matter as much of you lose.
04:00 --> 04:02 [SPEAKER_01]: You can get your losses out of the way.
04:02 --> 04:04 [SPEAKER_01]: You can tweak your strategy.
04:04 --> 04:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm?
04:06 --> 04:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I'd rather save them for the big moments.
04:09 --> 04:14 [SPEAKER_01]: But the big moments then you're wrong, then you're double pest because you're wrong and they lost.
04:15 --> 04:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and then people will be really pissed at me or whatever.
04:17 --> 04:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm predicting that they're winning.
04:18 --> 04:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Cause you jinxed it.
04:19 --> 04:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think people are gonna complain if you jinx a Tuesday night game against the white socks.
04:26 --> 04:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to save everyone in matters.
04:27 --> 04:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
04:28 --> 04:29 [SPEAKER_00]: You got to save it.
04:29 --> 04:29 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
04:30 --> 04:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Fine.
04:30 --> 04:35 [SPEAKER_00]: However, again, yes, I am personally not a sports better.
04:35 --> 04:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Do I understand every bit of how it works?
04:37 --> 04:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, like when you're in sports media, especially nowadays, you pick up a pretty good understanding naturally for how it all goes and how it all works.
04:44 --> 04:48 [SPEAKER_00]: But if I truly had powers like that,
04:49 --> 04:50 [SPEAKER_00]: That would be how I'd pick up sports betting.
04:50 --> 04:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not a better, but I'd pick it up if I actually had those powers.
04:55 --> 04:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
04:56 --> 05:00 [SPEAKER_01]: We should have had a, actually, I'm not going to get us in trouble there.
05:00 --> 05:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I was going to suggest that we, uh, someone start a sports gambling site for, uh, for I am softball in college.
05:07 --> 05:12 [SPEAKER_01]: So we could have been a manual class.
05:13 --> 05:15 [SPEAKER_00]: We like for R. I am softballer, just I am softball in general.
05:15 --> 05:16 [SPEAKER_01]: No, our I am softball.
05:18 --> 05:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Could have had live lines?
05:20 --> 05:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
05:21 --> 05:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
05:22 --> 05:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, we would've, I mean, we did not win a lot of games, so.
05:24 --> 05:25 [SPEAKER_01]: No, we didn't.
05:25 --> 05:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I would be hammering money on the other team, which is how you get banned from leagues.
05:30 --> 05:33 [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, you and I would be like, shoes, shoes, toe, Jackson in that case.
05:35 --> 05:35 [SPEAKER_00]: or classic.
05:37 --> 05:43 [SPEAKER_00]: But she was Joe, like, she was Joe tried in those nineteen nineteen world series games.
05:43 --> 05:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I know he took some money, but like he was actually trying.
05:46 --> 05:49 [SPEAKER_00]: The guys you'd actually have to point to in terms of who threw it.
05:49 --> 05:51 [SPEAKER_00]: It's other guys on that white socks team.
05:51 --> 05:53 [SPEAKER_00]: See, this is why people have to watch eight men out.
05:53 --> 06:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I know field of dreams is great, but there is a way better movie that tells the story of that world series, which is eight men out about the nineteen nineteen white socks.
06:01 --> 06:04 [SPEAKER_00]: If you want names, it would be more like the
06:05 --> 06:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Sweet wristburgs of the world, the eddy sea cuts of the world.
06:09 --> 06:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Those are the guys that were really throwing games.
06:11 --> 06:15 [SPEAKER_01]: So you'll be shocked for what I'm about to say.
06:15 --> 06:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't seen the movie.
06:17 --> 06:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I know.
06:19 --> 06:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
06:20 --> 06:23 [SPEAKER_01]: So when you mentioned those names, they go right over my head.
06:24 --> 06:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, eddy sea cut was really good, but he got banned from baseball.
06:28 --> 06:30 [SPEAKER_01]: So as did that entire team?
06:30 --> 06:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, right?
06:32 --> 06:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, pretty much.
06:33 --> 06:34 [SPEAKER_00]: The, the eight guys who were in on it, yes.
06:35 --> 06:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
06:36 --> 06:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk about the games this week and Lyle that we were still paying attention to as we're at the wedding because the Mariners had an incredibly big series this week and against the Texas Rangers and man, the new roster takes care of business.
06:48 --> 06:59 [SPEAKER_01]: The new roster goes out there and they play very well against the Rangers and we're talking about an extra inning flip flop on Saturday away from potentially sweeping.
06:59 --> 07:03 [SPEAKER_01]: But then you also had Friday's game with JP Crawford's walkoff to run home run.
07:03 --> 07:07 [SPEAKER_01]: The lineup working out the exact way it's supposed to.
07:07 --> 07:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I was very pleased.
07:09 --> 07:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I think my the biggest thing I was pleased about Lyle was this Sunday.
07:13 --> 07:16 [SPEAKER_01]: The mayor said I had a couple of tough two weeks offensively.
07:16 --> 07:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Most of that was with the old lineup before the trade deadline.
07:20 --> 07:22 [SPEAKER_01]: The new lineup has still been working its way in.
07:22 --> 07:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Josh Taylor has a home run but hasn't been incredible yet.
07:25 --> 07:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Geno has not been a world-beater in his first four games back in Seattle, but they face on Sunday.
07:32 --> 07:34 [SPEAKER_01]: It's Logan Evans versus Jacob DeGrom.
07:34 --> 07:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Arkai Logan Evans.
07:35 --> 07:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Love him.
07:36 --> 07:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Jacob DeGrom's probably a Hall of Famer, and has pitched incredibly well this year.
07:40 --> 07:52 [SPEAKER_01]: You look at that matchup, and you look at what Sunday means, and it's either the Rangers are going to tie you in the standings in the series as a wash, or you'll be two games up on the Rangers at the end of Sunday.
07:53 --> 07:59 [SPEAKER_01]: They go out there and they tag Jacob DeGrom for five runs and three home runs for a line up that had not been hitting as well.
08:00 --> 08:08 [SPEAKER_01]: But some big guy stepped up to the plate and took care of business on Sunday and I thought that made me very happy to watch and part of what depth.
08:09 --> 08:37 [SPEAKER_01]: of a line of does is that even if you have a genome or a Josh Nailer that aren't doing otherworldly things right away or even Cal Raleigh, Cal Raleigh's been slumping a bit over the past few weeks, striking out a lot, but it does matter because other guy stepped up to the plate and they took her a business in a really big game and have given themselves now a essentially three game cushion on the Texas Rangers, which look at all these standing there shaking out loud, I think is going to be very important at the end of the season.
08:38 --> 08:39 [SPEAKER_00]: really important.
08:40 --> 08:40 [SPEAKER_00]: And you know what?
08:41 --> 08:44 [SPEAKER_00]: It's funny for all the small ball talk we heard earlier in the year.
08:44 --> 08:47 [SPEAKER_00]: It seemed to win a lot of games by hitting the long ball.
08:47 --> 08:55 [SPEAKER_00]: And how do they beat one of the best pictures who in his prime was one of the most dominant pictures ever in DeGrom and get that win on Sunday?
08:55 --> 08:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Three homers.
08:57 --> 08:57 [SPEAKER_01]: No, they bumped it.
08:58 --> 08:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I forgot.
09:00 --> 09:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, maybe they should butt more often.
09:01 --> 09:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh wait, no, they shouldn't.
09:03 --> 09:04 [SPEAKER_00]: They just hit three home runs in one of the series.
09:05 --> 09:06 [SPEAKER_00]: No, don't pun.
09:07 --> 09:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Dude, how about Julio?
09:08 --> 09:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we've talked plenty over the last couple of weeks that his home road splits are jaw dropping, different, where he is, he is maybe a top five hitter in baseball on the road.
09:21 --> 09:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's not even a six hundred OPS at home, but Julio on Sunday.
09:26 --> 09:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, tags the Grom, he goes two for four, had a great weekend overall.
09:31 --> 09:32 [SPEAKER_00]: He was all over the place in the field.
09:33 --> 09:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he, that was like a Julio anchored win on Sunday.
09:38 --> 09:39 [SPEAKER_00]: All credit to him.
09:39 --> 09:49 [SPEAKER_00]: He, seriously, I don't want to say carried him to that win because it wasn't all him, but that was, I mean, he was the lead anchor in that went on Sunday.
09:49 --> 09:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, again, you're just, I think you're really just seeing what depth does for you.
09:54 --> 10:01 [SPEAKER_01]: We have not been able to talk ever about a Mariners lineup in our lifetime that has the depth that the current healthy version of this lineup does.
10:01 --> 10:02 [SPEAKER_01]: We're on a given day.
10:02 --> 10:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Someone else can be doing something, but it is really nice when your biggest star players are those guys we can talk about.
10:09 --> 10:13 [SPEAKER_01]: So we don't have to sit here and say the best player acquired at the deadline.
10:13 --> 10:14 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a bad.
10:14 --> 10:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Didn't do Jack Squad over the weekend.
10:16 --> 10:16 [SPEAKER_01]: So
10:18 --> 10:45 [SPEAKER_01]: the Mariners are screwed against the Rangers and the Rangers come in and they they split the series and you make no progress on that but it doesn't matter because you have other guys to go in there and do things like that I do think it it who is not all the way back to Julio but it is a very very good sign what we saw I'm trying to just see like a smaller split for Julio if we look since like July first while while you're looking at that when you talk about the depth
10:46 --> 10:50 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners' number nine header is we currently speak in the form of Coyang.
10:51 --> 11:02 [SPEAKER_00]: In the last month, as a one fifty five WRC plus an eight eighty one OPS is walking seventeen percent of the time and it's striking out ten percent of the time.
11:04 --> 11:06 [SPEAKER_00]: That's your nine hitter in the last month.
11:07 --> 11:09 [SPEAKER_00]: And Cole Young with an eight eighty one OPS.
11:09 --> 11:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Part of that is a testament to Cole Young and how awesome he's looked here in the second half and really over the last five, six weeks, certainly in the last month stretch.
11:18 --> 11:25 [SPEAKER_00]: But also a testament to by making the moves that they made at the straight deadline and now seeing Julio start to heat up a little bit.
11:26 --> 11:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this is what good lineup's do and this Mariners lineup for what they have on paper right now is legitimately good.
11:32 --> 11:35 [SPEAKER_01]: And oh, by the way, Coyoung hit a ball, four hundred and fifty six feet.
11:36 --> 11:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Coyoung was not the guy I had in the starting nine hitting a ball into the second deck.
11:42 --> 11:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I could not believe that ball when it landed.
11:45 --> 11:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Coyoung hit it up there, but we know he has a little bit of power.
11:50 --> 11:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Second deck.
11:53 --> 11:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, dude, remember that?
11:53 --> 11:56 [SPEAKER_01]: You know the people who have hit it up in that second deck?
11:56 --> 11:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I don't like Kyle Seeger ever hit a ball up there.
12:00 --> 12:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Kyle Seeger didn't have like crazy raw power.
12:03 --> 12:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he hit homers, but either just cool young.
12:05 --> 12:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, cool young hit a ball nearly five hundred feet down in Albuquerque this year.
12:10 --> 12:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he doesn't have, it's not crazy crazy raw power, but like when a pitcher makes a mistake to call young at this point, he punishes it.
12:18 --> 12:23 [SPEAKER_01]: The people who hit hit that ball up there to that second level off the top of my head from what I can remember.
12:23 --> 12:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Cole's one.
12:25 --> 12:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Luke Rayley.
12:27 --> 12:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Daniel Volgobak.
12:28 --> 12:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Show Hayotani.
12:30 --> 12:32 [SPEAKER_01]: He hit it up to the third level.
12:34 --> 12:35 [SPEAKER_01]: My missing anybody.
12:35 --> 12:39 [SPEAKER_00]: And that goes back in line to a lot of stuff that Joe Doyle was telling us about early in the season when we were anticipating scene call.
12:39 --> 12:41 [SPEAKER_00]: He said quote to us.
12:55 --> 12:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Cole's talking more.
12:56 --> 12:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Cole's got more, it seems like Cole's got more bat speed.
12:59 --> 13:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Cole's hitting the ball a little bit harder.
13:01 --> 13:05 [SPEAKER_01]: And that swing right there is the result of all of that.
13:05 --> 13:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Cole himself said after the fact, he's never hit a ball harder and farther in his life than what he did there.
13:11 --> 13:19 [SPEAKER_01]: And if that's the kind of poppin production you're getting out of the nine hole in your lineup and what he's walking, is he walking close to ten percent of the time I think right now?
13:19 --> 13:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, again, in the last month, it's seventeen.
13:22 --> 13:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's pretty good.
13:24 --> 13:28 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's great to see and you know the strikeouts aren't high with him either.
13:28 --> 13:36 [SPEAKER_01]: That's it's a very high floor at the bottom of your lineup to set the table for the best guys on top of your lineup.
13:36 --> 13:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Here's the thing about Julio.
13:38 --> 13:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Excuse me.
13:41 --> 13:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I think in the last month, I won't say this for for certain.
13:44 --> 13:47 [SPEAKER_01]: We talked about what he was doing earlier this season.
13:47 --> 13:51 [SPEAKER_01]: He was almost trying to avoid striking out in an effort to
13:53 --> 13:56 [SPEAKER_01]: make more contact and in that way be more productive.
13:57 --> 14:02 [SPEAKER_01]: In the last month or so since July first, the strikeout rate allows backup to twenty nine percent.
14:03 --> 14:07 [SPEAKER_01]: The walk rate is a little bit below where he's been for his credit about six percent.
14:08 --> 14:15 [SPEAKER_01]: But we see an average eggs at velocity of ninety three and a half miles an hour, a one twenty six WRC plus and a slug over five hundred.
14:16 --> 14:19 [SPEAKER_01]: The overall volume of contact isn't supremely high.
14:19 --> 14:27 [SPEAKER_01]: But the slug in this approach the last month is there like it's what it's supposed to be and it makes.
14:28 --> 14:35 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's average in this context when I talk about not having enough contact on a volume of contact is average is two thirty eight.
14:36 --> 14:40 [SPEAKER_01]: He brings that up to right around where he usually is to seventy to two eighty.
14:40 --> 14:46 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a very productive player if he needs to if he finds a way to bridge that gap back up to where he normally is.
14:47 --> 14:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Then that is more like rookie Julio Rodriguez and it's very helpful for this lineup.
14:53 --> 14:53 [SPEAKER_01]: It is very helpful.
14:55 --> 14:58 [SPEAKER_00]: So that the twenty nine percent strikeout rate is a little high.
14:59 --> 15:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I know it's only a month stretch.
15:01 --> 15:04 [SPEAKER_00]: If it could be somewhere between twenty and thirty percent that'd be great.
15:04 --> 15:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, if he could get it around with twenty four twenty five percent range, that's fine.
15:08 --> 15:15 [SPEAKER_00]: But again, we talked earlier in the year, like you just said, how Julio seemed to be striking out less, but the power wasn't there.
15:16 --> 15:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Now we're seeing the power.
15:18 --> 15:24 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think everybody's seeing when you look at the stretch earlier in the air and you're looking at the stretch now, I would hope this signals to everybody.
15:24 --> 15:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey.
15:25 --> 15:32 [SPEAKER_00]: It's okay if Julio strikes out a little bit because you want that power in his back very badly everybody does.
15:32 --> 15:38 [SPEAKER_00]: So I hope that kind of shows people and is a signal to a lot of fans watching out there that
15:40 --> 16:00 [SPEAKER_01]: be okay living with some Julio strikeouts if you know that's gonna result in more power I certainly am I know you are and you also watch the the course of this right so yeah the strikeouts are fine you watch the course of this how Julio trends up a little bit as Cal trends down a little bit and his strikeouts are taking up as well and
16:01 --> 16:10 [SPEAKER_01]: The production for him has fallen off a little bit over the last couple of weeks, but notice the offense roughly stays the same if you're able to do that.
16:10 --> 16:19 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're able to hedge and you're able to ride those waves and we saw some of that over the weekend against the best pitching staff and baseball in the Texas Rangers that staff
16:19 --> 16:20 [SPEAKER_01]: shops.
16:20 --> 16:22 [SPEAKER_01]: They've shoved very well all season.
16:23 --> 16:25 [SPEAKER_01]: They have a lot of really good pictures on the roster.
16:25 --> 16:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, even saw the Rangers with their newest acquisition takes some initiative this weekend and they shifted up their rotations to the Admiral Kelly pitch on Saturday and to ground pitch on Sunday, knowing the importance of this and even despite all of that, the Mariners managed to do damage where they needed to do as well.
16:42 --> 16:45 [SPEAKER_01]: There's one other thing I wanted to note.
16:45 --> 16:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, I forgot.
16:47 --> 16:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Can I, can I pivot to something while you're trying to pivot to something?
16:50 --> 16:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
16:50 --> 16:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I remember.
16:51 --> 17:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, the other couple parts of that Sunday when were JP Crawford, who, I mean, you already talked about hit two monstrous homers this weekend.
17:01 --> 17:03 [SPEAKER_00]: None bigger than that walk up on Friday.
17:03 --> 17:03 [SPEAKER_00]: That was nuts.
17:04 --> 17:11 [SPEAKER_00]: And then Jorge Polanco, who had the third homer on Sunday, all those homers came off the ground.
17:12 --> 17:22 [SPEAKER_00]: And it just made me sit and think, again, I know it's been a odd year in a lot of ways for Jorge Polanco because he got so hot earlier in the year and they got so cold and now he's heating up again.
17:23 --> 17:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Overall, we're talking about a guy with a one twenty seven OPS plus.
17:29 --> 17:30 [SPEAKER_00]: like he's been awesome at the plate.
17:30 --> 17:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I know it's been in a streaky way, but right now this is this is by OPS plus the best offensive season where people on goes ever had.
17:41 --> 17:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And as a DH that is that's what you want.
17:45 --> 17:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Like that's the best DH production the Mariners have gotten in a while.
17:51 --> 17:53 [SPEAKER_00]: which poses this question, right?
17:54 --> 18:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Because I think it's safe to say that, look, Polanco plays in the field a little bit at this point, but mostly that's Cole Young's job at second base and Polanco DHS.
18:02 --> 18:03 [SPEAKER_00]: But at least me to this.
18:05 --> 18:09 [SPEAKER_00]: We've really talked about this much, but now I feel like it's become relevant again by the way he's playing.
18:10 --> 18:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Jorge Polanco next season has a, it's a mutual option, but it converts to a six million dollar player option where he gets the choice to pick it up or not.
18:22 --> 18:26 [SPEAKER_00]: If he gets to four hundred and fifty plate appearances.
18:26 --> 18:29 [SPEAKER_00]: If he gets to five fifty, it goes to eight million.
18:29 --> 18:31 [SPEAKER_00]: So that, I mean, it leaves me to say this.
18:32 --> 18:34 [SPEAKER_00]: It's Jorge Polanco back here next year.
18:34 --> 18:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Like doesn't make sense to bring him back.
18:35 --> 18:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess it's a two-part question.
18:38 --> 18:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if you don't have a DH, I don't see why not.
18:41 --> 18:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I was thinking the same thing.
18:44 --> 18:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, if you re-sign Gino then maybe not, maybe you wouldn't want to.
18:51 --> 18:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Like,
18:54 --> 18:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he does play third base, but what if you want to mix them in DH or you want Ben backup on the roster next year?
18:59 --> 19:09 [SPEAKER_01]: And you want a little bit more youth because the problem is if you keep Geno and Polanco on this roster, you know from an athleticism standpoint and an age standpoint.
19:09 --> 19:11 [SPEAKER_01]: That's not the most ideal combination.
19:12 --> 19:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, if they both hit, the Mariners look past both of these solutions.
19:15 --> 19:19 [SPEAKER_01]: But as these players have showed in their careers, they can be a little streaky.
19:19 --> 19:21 [SPEAKER_01]: They can have these big cold streaks.
19:21 --> 19:23 [SPEAKER_01]: And for some points, it's affected their season.
19:23 --> 19:25 [SPEAKER_01]: See Jorge Blanco just last season.
19:25 --> 19:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And you don't want that on your roster for all that money given your self-imposed limited budget.
19:31 --> 19:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
19:31 --> 19:33 [SPEAKER_01]: So you need to be smart with these decisions.
19:34 --> 19:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Any chance it changes?
19:37 --> 19:58 [SPEAKER_00]: this off season I'm not saying they're going to turn I'm not saying they're going to turn into Steve Cohen I don't think anybody thinks that but look I don't know all the financials of the mariners I'm not going to sit here and pretend like I do but between getting the streaming service now all squared away and you get the Nintendo deal all squared away that did come after the off season is there any chance they've they've got
19:59 --> 20:02 [SPEAKER_00]: more resources now where they feel comfortable spending a little more.
20:02 --> 20:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I think one way to think about this is perhaps they could do a one year buoy before the CBA expires and the rules change.
20:13 --> 20:13 [SPEAKER_00]: That's true.
20:13 --> 20:22 [SPEAKER_01]: So they don't they don't do anything long term, but maybe for a one year buoy without the hard cap above them, then they could do that.
20:23 --> 20:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Or they could decide to do what they did last year and not spend any more money.
20:28 --> 20:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Although Gino is not going to take a one year deal, so probably not, but in essence of Jorge Polanco, he would only be here one year.
20:35 --> 20:41 [SPEAKER_01]: So you'd be okay maybe going eight more million up for one year of Polanco knowing it's going to come off your books.
20:42 --> 20:43 [SPEAKER_01]: after the CBA expires, right?
20:43 --> 20:48 [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't think it's, I don't think it's the worst idea in the world to think about bringing Jorge Plunk.
20:48 --> 20:56 [SPEAKER_01]: You just need to understand the kind of player you're getting and if he's not hitting and he's not in the field, what is he going to do for you at this time next year?
20:56 --> 21:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Because there was talk during the season this year after April in the middle of May into June that it's like, Polanco cannot be on this roster if he's going to have a five hundred OPS and he can't play the field and can't hit right-handed.
21:10 --> 21:12 [SPEAKER_01]: It gives you zero positional versatility.
21:13 --> 21:14 [SPEAKER_01]: That was not even two months ago.
21:14 --> 21:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
21:16 --> 21:18 [SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to take it into account.
21:19 --> 21:24 [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of chains though in two months, because again, like his season overall has been objectively very good.
21:24 --> 21:26 [SPEAKER_00]: So if he's your DH, I think it's worth the thought.
21:27 --> 21:30 [SPEAKER_01]: It is worth a thought, but your roster's also changed a lot since then too.
21:30 --> 21:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Now that you, you know, you have Cole, so you have a second basement who hits and you have two more bats on your roster who are for their careers better bats than Jorge Polanco is.
21:43 --> 21:47 [SPEAKER_01]: So you need to think about where your priorities are for resigning bats.
21:48 --> 21:55 [SPEAKER_01]: But if they think it's better a better idea to keep Polanco and works better for their budget, then so be it.
21:55 --> 21:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm not against it.
21:57 --> 22:01 [SPEAKER_00]: But again, also Polanco gets a hundred more at bats, which he will.
22:02 --> 22:03 [SPEAKER_00]: It's his call.
22:04 --> 22:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I would think he wants to say because it's guaranteed money.
22:08 --> 22:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I'd be shocked if he got that much money on the open market.
22:12 --> 22:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
22:13 --> 22:14 [SPEAKER_00]: That's probably right.
22:15 --> 22:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that for sure, but just, you know, CBA coming up.
22:20 --> 22:21 [SPEAKER_00]: He's mostly a DH at this point.
22:21 --> 22:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's probably right.
22:23 --> 22:23 [SPEAKER_01]: His bad.
22:23 --> 22:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, his bad.
22:24 --> 22:32 [SPEAKER_01]: It's good, but I don't know if it's an eight million dollar bat on the open market, but since the Mariners have written it in his contract, yeah, he's going to take it.
22:32 --> 22:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, again, if he gets the four fifty played appearances, it's six mil.
22:35 --> 22:37 [SPEAKER_00]: If he gets the five fifty, it's eight mil.
22:37 --> 22:38 [SPEAKER_00]: So we'll see.
22:38 --> 22:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but he is on pace for five fifty.
22:42 --> 22:48 [SPEAKER_01]: He right now is at three fifty two is he going to get two hundred more the rest of the year problem if he plays if he doesn't get hurt again.
22:49 --> 22:51 [SPEAKER_01]: It'll be close.
22:51 --> 22:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean he'll get to four fifty.
22:53 --> 22:56 [SPEAKER_01]: It'll I think it'll be close at this point.
22:56 --> 22:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I think it's totally fine.
22:58 --> 22:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the idea is fine.
22:59 --> 23:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I just think you need to to sit and like examine like age and versatility of your roster next year because.
23:07 --> 23:10 [SPEAKER_01]: You anticipate Donovan Solano is not going to be on this roster next year.
23:10 --> 23:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe not soon at all.
23:12 --> 23:18 [SPEAKER_01]: But that's the example of when you're paying someone to do one thing and he's just not good enough.
23:18 --> 23:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And he just kind of burns the roster.
23:20 --> 23:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
23:20 --> 23:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Although Solano is thirty seven about to be thirty eight.
23:24 --> 23:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Planko is going to be thirty two next year.
23:26 --> 23:27 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a little different.
23:28 --> 23:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Planko does run around like he's thirty seven sometimes.
23:32 --> 23:33 [SPEAKER_00]: It's got a lot of injuries.
23:33 --> 23:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I know.
23:35 --> 23:36 [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't change the fact unfortunately.
23:38 --> 23:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, we'll see.
23:39 --> 23:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I just thought that was an interesting conversation.
23:42 --> 23:46 [SPEAKER_01]: In terms of the year he's having though, it is swung back around in a great way.
23:46 --> 23:50 [SPEAKER_01]: And it has been a objectively good free agent signing.
23:50 --> 23:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, objectively good now, through four months, it feels a clear need that you have on your roster since he can switch it great.
23:58 --> 24:04 [SPEAKER_01]: If you have to play him in the field, okay, but like as a DH, we kept talking about we were sick and tired of Jerry
24:05 --> 24:10 [SPEAKER_01]: and just in using the DH role as like a rest day for players who are frankly not good enough.
24:12 --> 24:19 [SPEAKER_01]: And now they have a real DH instead and look their lineup is actually good.
24:20 --> 24:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Tell me how you really feel.
24:23 --> 24:25 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's a big plus.
24:26 --> 24:28 [SPEAKER_01]: You did mention JP before him though.
24:29 --> 24:33 [SPEAKER_01]: What a such a big swing for JP on Friday given how much you've been struggling.
24:33 --> 24:36 [SPEAKER_01]: He got dropped all the way to the eight spot in that lineup.
24:39 --> 24:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Despite all those struggles, he's managed to come through a couple times this weekend, which is great.
24:43 --> 24:47 [SPEAKER_01]: And he doesn't, again, with most of the other guys in this roster, it's the same way.
24:47 --> 24:49 [SPEAKER_01]: The pressure is not all on you anymore.
24:50 --> 24:56 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not, you're one of the only three good offensive players in this lineup at a given, any given point, we need you to produce.
24:56 --> 25:03 [SPEAKER_01]: JP Crawford now gets to get sandwiched between Dom Canzone and Cole Young at the bottom of the lineup and just relax.
25:04 --> 25:04 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's great.
25:05 --> 25:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
25:06 --> 25:07 [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's great.
25:07 --> 25:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope he keeps it up.
25:08 --> 25:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I hope he keeps going.
25:10 --> 25:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Do we think he'll stay down there?
25:14 --> 25:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Probably for a while because I get I really like the way this line obstructured.
25:17 --> 25:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I do the fact Randy's hitting lead off and then it's Julio and then it's cow and then it's nailer and then it's genome.
25:23 --> 25:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I really like that line up.
25:25 --> 25:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I was going to say Randy's kind of an underrated fit is a lead off hitter.
25:29 --> 25:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I even got to think about it that much, but it's a high walk rate and he's stealing, he keeps stealing backs.
25:36 --> 25:38 [SPEAKER_01]: So like that is what you want, right?
25:38 --> 25:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's got the pop.
25:40 --> 25:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Randy Loki might steal thirty bags this year.
25:43 --> 25:44 [SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of crazy.
25:44 --> 25:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I was talking about to someone about this the other day.
25:46 --> 26:00 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, if you watch Randy out in the field, you wouldn't think, oh, he's the most detail oriented defender that there is because he's he's not really, but on the base pass, he picks his right spots and he sweats those bags.
26:01 --> 26:04 [SPEAKER_00]: So, to buy baseball reference, he's already a four wins.
26:05 --> 26:05 [SPEAKER_00]: That's crazy.
26:06 --> 26:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I know reference and fan graphs can be different, but at least by reference, they think he's got a chance to get to five wins this year.
26:14 --> 26:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Now he's sick.
26:15 --> 26:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Five and a half probably at this point.
26:17 --> 26:19 [SPEAKER_01]: It's still first week of August.
26:19 --> 26:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe.
26:19 --> 26:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that'd be wild.
26:22 --> 26:23 [SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of nuts for Andy.
26:23 --> 26:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
26:23 --> 26:25 [SPEAKER_00]: So we're loving this lineup.
26:25 --> 26:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
26:26 --> 26:30 [SPEAKER_00]: So yes, to answer your question, I would probably leave JP down at the eighth spot for a while.
26:30 --> 26:32 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's not even necessarily a knock on JP.
26:32 --> 26:34 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just more like I love this structure of the lineup.
26:35 --> 26:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it sets them up the best for success.
26:37 --> 26:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think J.P.
26:38 --> 26:43 [SPEAKER_01]: understands, like if they're scoring a bunch of runs and he's ultra productive down in the eight hole, that's a really good thing.
26:44 --> 26:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
26:44 --> 26:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
26:45 --> 26:45 [SPEAKER_00]: No doubt.
26:45 --> 26:46 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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27:44 --> 27:50 [SPEAKER_01]: The next storyline we have to talk about is Bryce Miller got back up on a mound in a live game over the weekend.
27:51 --> 27:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And while he looked really good, I noticed a rehab outing.
27:54 --> 28:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I know it's just Tacoma, but he looks like Bryce.
28:01 --> 28:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's the best way to describe it.
28:02 --> 28:03 [SPEAKER_01]: He was thrown hard.
28:04 --> 28:06 [SPEAKER_01]: He's getting swings and misses on his off speed pitches.
28:06 --> 28:09 [SPEAKER_01]: He threw a ton of strikes and was ultra-efficient.
28:10 --> 28:11 [SPEAKER_01]: That's he looked great.
28:12 --> 28:14 [SPEAKER_00]: He was throwing ninety-seven.
28:15 --> 28:20 [SPEAKER_00]: And I know we've seen the VLO start up and then deteriorate a little bit at points this year.
28:20 --> 28:24 [SPEAKER_00]: But the fact that apparently stayed up and the fact he looked really sharp.
28:25 --> 28:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a good sign.
28:26 --> 28:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Now I'm sure he's going to make one or two more rehab starts.
28:30 --> 28:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure they're going to have him get stretched out a little bit more before they bring him back.
28:33 --> 28:35 [SPEAKER_01]: It could be more than that.
28:35 --> 28:37 [SPEAKER_01]: It could be, I mean, it could be four.
28:39 --> 28:43 [SPEAKER_01]: It did, they did note they wanted to stretch him out more than Logan and George.
28:45 --> 28:48 [SPEAKER_00]: So he threw a defacto rehab assignment when he threw the live hitters.
28:49 --> 28:56 [SPEAKER_00]: What a week ago at T-Mobile Park because he threw that twenty pitch outing and they said that essentially served as his first rehab assignment.
28:56 --> 28:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Rather than just going out to an affiliate, they haven't do it at T-Mobile.
28:59 --> 29:05 [SPEAKER_00]: But the second one, which went really well, he went fifty-five pitchers.
29:05 --> 29:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, fifty-two pitchers.
29:07 --> 29:14 [SPEAKER_00]: So I would assume the next two would be the last couple because that would turn out to four, right?
29:15 --> 29:22 [SPEAKER_01]: But do you want like a twenty-pitch live ab to count as a rehab start because it's not a start?
29:25 --> 29:30 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just how many more rehab assignments, like so is your goal with Bryce Miller to have him back in September?
29:31 --> 29:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Is that what it is?
29:32 --> 29:33 [SPEAKER_01]: No, by the end of August.
29:33 --> 29:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
29:35 --> 29:36 [SPEAKER_01]: What you could do?
29:36 --> 29:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you get through a four starts to be backed by the end of August?
29:39 --> 29:39 [SPEAKER_01]: It's possible.
29:40 --> 29:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I just don't see, like, and also his rehab assignment hasn't started.
29:44 --> 29:46 [SPEAKER_01]: This doesn't start by doing live A-B's.
29:47 --> 29:50 [SPEAKER_01]: His rehab assignment has started once he steps foot into coma.
29:52 --> 29:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I just wonder if two more is kind of the magic number.
29:55 --> 29:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that for sure.
29:56 --> 30:00 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners haven't said, but I think they want to probably depends on the pitch count.
30:00 --> 30:08 [SPEAKER_01]: If he is at eighty five pitches and he throws what the eighty percent strikes that he threw in the setting by the way, which is freaking insane.
30:08 --> 30:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Forty two strikes on fifty two pitches.
30:10 --> 30:13 [SPEAKER_01]: with his fast pull up on average two miles an hour.
30:13 --> 30:26 [SPEAKER_01]: If his fast pull is sitting up a mile to a mile and a half per hour, throw in strikes at a seventy percent clip will get and swing and miss on all of his off speed pitches and his third rehab outing, then maybe he doesn't need a fourth one because they're like, why are we wasting bullets here?
30:26 --> 30:51 [SPEAKER_01]: it all really depends how Bryce feels in the coming days with the bones burn his elbow where he feels like he's he understands it more and he he understands what they had to inject into his elbow to get it feeling a little bit better and to just get through the final for him I guess it'll be monthish of rehab month of live action at the end of the season and know that like this is all I have to do
30:52 --> 30:54 [SPEAKER_01]: So now it's fifty five.
30:55 --> 31:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Seventy pitches probably next eighty five the pit the start after and you hope on that eighty fifth pitch.
31:02 --> 31:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Instead of it being ninety two it's like ninety five ninety six.
31:06 --> 31:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, so we talked to Bryce about this recently.
31:08 --> 31:10 [SPEAKER_00]: We had a pretty interesting conversation with him.
31:10 --> 31:12 [SPEAKER_00]: It's funny what he was telling us is.
31:13 --> 31:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Essentially what we've been seeing was right, but there was some more context to it.
31:17 --> 31:26 [SPEAKER_00]: In the sense of, oh, every time he goes out there, Velo starts high and then it decreases and decreases at certain points of the start.
31:26 --> 31:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Like at some point, you just start to see a drop off.
31:29 --> 31:55 [SPEAKER_00]: and what he was telling us was it was kind of the same thing that would happen over and over and ever start he would go into like this is before he went back on the aisle when into it feeling good went into it feeling sharp like went into it with full confidence but then after a couple innings he said like it wasn't a specific pitch type like it wasn't like he had more trouble throwing the splitter than the fastballer had more trouble throwing the slider than the splitter what he was telling us was
31:56 --> 31:59 [SPEAKER_00]: when he would start working into these outings.
31:59 --> 32:03 [SPEAKER_00]: At some point in time, there would just be one pitch.
32:03 --> 32:07 [SPEAKER_00]: There was no rhyme or reason to when it would happen or how it would happen or the type of pitch it was.
32:08 --> 32:13 [SPEAKER_00]: There would just be one specific pitch at some point where all of a sudden he would start to feel that.
32:14 --> 32:15 [SPEAKER_00]: discomfort again.
32:15 --> 32:18 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's when you saw the VLO drop off.
32:18 --> 32:23 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's part of what he's going to have to work through when he's in this rehab out.
32:23 --> 32:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And clearly in start one, he got exactly that, which was great to see.
32:26 --> 32:28 [SPEAKER_00]: But that's kind of what he was explaining to us.
32:28 --> 32:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you have further context on it if I'm leaving anything out.
32:30 --> 32:32 [SPEAKER_00]: But that's essentially what I took away from it.
32:32 --> 32:34 [SPEAKER_00]: He said, look, it would happen every start.
32:35 --> 32:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I would feel good.
32:36 --> 32:38 [SPEAKER_00]: And it didn't carry over into the next outings.
32:38 --> 32:39 [SPEAKER_00]: But it was like,
32:40 --> 32:48 [SPEAKER_00]: You know it obviously was frustrating because like every time he feels like he's starting to cruise when he would get into those outings and his first time back off the I.L.
32:49 --> 32:53 [SPEAKER_00]: then all of a sudden like one pitch, we kind of changed it all where he can't keep the Velo up anymore.
32:54 --> 32:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And then there was the pain part of it.
32:55 --> 33:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Now outside of the pain part of it, sorry, there is the problem where his arm feels sore and he doesn't like the tightness in it and wouldn't allow him to throw his heart as he wanted to.
33:06 --> 33:17 [SPEAKER_01]: But then there was the mechanical aspect of it too where he would look up the scoreboard, he'd see that his, his Velo is going down and he's trying to make up for it and he's trying to throw harder and that did not help him out at all his
33:17 --> 33:18 [SPEAKER_01]: command would deteriorate.
33:19 --> 33:23 [SPEAKER_01]: It would the max effort was not really working and he would fall apart at the end.
33:24 --> 33:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's kind of what he was saying to us, too.
33:26 --> 33:33 [SPEAKER_00]: He was thinking to himself like you said when he looked up at the radar gun, he'd be thinking to himself, man, how hard do I have to rear back to get to my ninety five, ninety six?
33:33 --> 33:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Like this is this is not normal.
33:36 --> 33:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Like so, but clearly in his rehab outing that he just made the other day.
33:41 --> 33:57 [SPEAKER_00]: wasn't an issue and I hope that carries over because when Bryce Miller is at his best we know what that looks like and if they get that version of Bryce Miller down the stretch in the final month and dare I say into the playoffs coming out of the bullpen where you could use him in bulk
33:58 --> 34:01 [SPEAKER_00]: But that is a massive weapon for the Mariners to have come October.
34:01 --> 34:04 [SPEAKER_01]: And a massive boost for this rotation.
34:05 --> 34:09 [SPEAKER_01]: What they have like that version of Bryce Miller is incredibly valuable.
34:10 --> 34:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And he showed exactly what it was last year.
34:11 --> 34:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
34:12 --> 34:17 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think it's fair to say that he'd be the guy of the rotation that if they get into the playoff seed pitch out of a bullpen this year.
34:18 --> 34:19 [SPEAKER_00]: But that's not even a knock on Bryce Miller.
34:19 --> 34:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, if he comes back and pitches really well on the way we know he can throw, then, you know, if
34:27 --> 34:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Brian Wu or Logan Gilbert goes five innings in a playoff start.
34:31 --> 34:39 [SPEAKER_00]: There could be a game where you could turn to Bryce Miller for three, maybe the rest of it, maybe the rest of the game.
34:40 --> 34:42 [SPEAKER_00]: And there's your ball game.
34:43 --> 34:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's so much fun to think about.
34:45 --> 34:47 [SPEAKER_01]: That is so much fun to think about.
34:47 --> 34:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, by the way, one note I forgot to mention, when it pertains to the pitching staff, this rotation, the bullpen by the way did not allow a run until Sunday.
34:56 --> 34:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, not an extra innings.
34:57 --> 34:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Those don't count.
34:59 --> 35:00 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's what I forgot.
35:01 --> 35:04 [SPEAKER_01]: But Bryce being back helps out that unit because you just need one less arm.
35:05 --> 35:12 [SPEAKER_01]: When you have a guy pitching that much deeper in the games as you anticipate, you just need that much less stress on that bullpen for the final month of the season.
35:12 --> 35:15 [SPEAKER_01]: What a weapon that the Mariners could potentially add.
35:15 --> 35:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Shall I pull out the line?
35:17 --> 35:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's like the trade deadline is August thirty first.
35:20 --> 35:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, God.
35:24 --> 35:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, you got a mid-season edition.
35:27 --> 35:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and Victor Oblast, too.
35:28 --> 35:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Mmm.
35:29 --> 35:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, double whammy.
35:31 --> 35:32 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners get two trade deadlines.
35:33 --> 35:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I got grades.
35:35 --> 35:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm really glad we did not have to hear that.
35:37 --> 35:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was really worried.
35:40 --> 35:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Did you hear Dana Brown say that down in Houston?
35:43 --> 35:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they still had a good deadline though, so I don't, but I do, yeah.
35:49 --> 35:49 [SPEAKER_00]: They never said that.
35:50 --> 35:52 [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, we're gonna get your done back.
35:52 --> 35:53 [SPEAKER_00]: And then we should get hobby air back.
35:54 --> 35:56 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's gonna be like a trade deadline acquiring all these pieces.
35:56 --> 35:59 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, no, these guys are on your roster already.
35:59 --> 36:01 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't get to pull that card buddy.
36:01 --> 36:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, as I said before, I'll say it again.
36:03 --> 36:06 [SPEAKER_01]: If you say that, it is loser talk.
36:07 --> 36:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to hear it.
36:07 --> 36:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Just say you don't want to give up prospects.
36:09 --> 36:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Be honest.
36:10 --> 36:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
36:11 --> 36:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Please just be honest.
36:12 --> 36:13 [SPEAKER_01]: It's fine.
36:14 --> 36:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Speaking of prospects, Lyle, our final subject today.
36:17 --> 36:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Couple of big promotions, arguably the biggest promotions within the Mariners minor league system so far this year.
36:23 --> 36:29 [SPEAKER_01]: We have a couple of guys going from ever it up to double a Arkansas in Durangelo and Cole Emerson.
36:30 --> 36:32 [SPEAKER_01]: What's one of these two do you want to talk about first?
36:34 --> 36:35 [SPEAKER_00]: We can go with Cole.
36:35 --> 36:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Cole's the prized prospect in the organization.
36:38 --> 36:39 [SPEAKER_00]: So let's start with him.
36:40 --> 36:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, what he's done the last six to eight weeks.
36:46 --> 36:47 [SPEAKER_00]: is what a top eye prospecting baseball does.
36:48 --> 36:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I know we got off to a little bit of a slow start and he had some hills and valleys through the first three months of the year or so in Everett.
36:54 --> 36:57 [SPEAKER_00]: What he's done in the last about two months down there.
36:58 --> 36:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Screams, yeah.
37:00 --> 37:04 [SPEAKER_00]: He's done everything he needs to do in high A. He's not being challenged anymore.
37:04 --> 37:05 [SPEAKER_00]: It's time to go to Arkansas.
37:06 --> 37:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Cold Emerson's been OPS and like well over a thousand in that time if I have that right since June first the slash line is three nineteen four thirty three five forty six for the one fifty nine WRC plus a fourteen point nine percent walk rate in a fifteen point four percent strikeout rate so the strikeout rates way down the walk rate is way up he's crushing the ball he's hitting for power he's getting on base
37:30 --> 37:58 [SPEAKER_01]: at a high volume and he's playing plus defense at short stop as a freshly twenty year old most of that he did as a nineteen year old but he turned twenty on July twenty that's pretty good stuff right there even if you look at overall the the slash line first first three hundred thirty six plate appearances in ever this year it's still one twenty five wrc plus with plus walk rate about average power in a good bat to ball and not a lot of strikeouts
37:58 --> 38:00 [SPEAKER_01]: That part alone was still good.
38:00 --> 38:04 [SPEAKER_01]: But when he started turning it on, I mean, we're really seeing the full package come together.
38:05 --> 38:11 [SPEAKER_01]: The defense, I think, is something you can't really quantify in the minor league, especially if you're not there watching it itself.
38:12 --> 38:14 [SPEAKER_01]: As good as has bats been loud, we knew he could hit.
38:15 --> 38:23 [SPEAKER_01]: But the defense coming into the picture here as something that makes him this complete is a lot of fun.
38:25 --> 38:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, there was talk when he got drafted about long term is he a third basement or if he sticks a short stop is he's just going to be a very average short stop.
38:32 --> 38:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, like he's playing really, really clean defense and short stop all of a sudden.
38:38 --> 38:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And this is part of what we talked to him about when we went to go interview him and ever at back in about May.
38:44 --> 39:09 [SPEAKER_00]: and he was talking about like all this work he's done on his speed and agility that he really really zoned it on over the offseason it was for this like it helped him run the bases too but we are seeing the effects of it in the field and what he's done up the six hole the short stop position this year and he's quicker to the ball he gets better jumps like he's not misplaying baseballs this is like
39:10 --> 39:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Cold Emerson is going to be the short stop when he gets the Seattle.
39:13 --> 39:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that's pretty clear.
39:14 --> 39:15 [SPEAKER_00]: He is there's a ticket that position.
39:16 --> 39:18 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no question about that.
39:18 --> 39:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe there was in the past, but there's there's definitely not anymore.
39:23 --> 39:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Like what is left for him to like he's going to need to show obviously he can hit an Arkansas.
39:28 --> 39:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I think really it's just keeping the power stroke up because there's a big difference between ever at an Arkansas when it comes to
39:35 --> 39:46 [SPEAKER_01]: heading for power, Cole Young, who we talked about his power on this episode, didn't even crack ten home runs in a season in Arkansas and was a slightly above league average hitter.
39:46 --> 39:52 [SPEAKER_01]: What is Cole Emerson going to do comparatively to what Cole Young and Harry Ford did in Arkansas?
39:52 --> 39:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's going to be a big question that's going to need to be asked.
39:56 --> 39:59 [SPEAKER_01]: The other thing about this is that kind of like LAS,
40:00 --> 40:08 [SPEAKER_01]: since since Cole has the since he plays out the middle and we've already seen how good of a short stop he is and he has this incredible defensive value.
40:09 --> 40:16 [SPEAKER_01]: He is under a different microscope than last Montez given the the ability to hit and field and run.
40:17 --> 40:22 [SPEAKER_01]: But he was going to get at least four months in Arkansas like he'll get these two months this year.
40:23 --> 40:26 [SPEAKER_01]: He'll get probably two months next year.
40:26 --> 40:28 [SPEAKER_01]: And then you make a decision at that point.
40:29 --> 40:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it the big leagues?
40:30 --> 40:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Or is it Tacoma?
40:31 --> 40:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I would probably say it's Tacoma given that in that exact timeline while he's still going to be twenty years old.
40:38 --> 40:38 [SPEAKER_01]: He could be
40:40 --> 40:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, just after the All Star Break is what we've thrown out there.
40:43 --> 40:45 [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to make his big league debut next year.
40:45 --> 40:48 [SPEAKER_01]: He will have just turned twenty one.
40:48 --> 40:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Cole Young, one of the youngest guys to debut on Mariners history this year was twenty one, freshly turned twenty two and a debut.
40:55 --> 41:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Cole Emerson will be younger than that if he days debut after the All Star Break next year.
41:00 --> 41:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so if you want to look at it like this, he's going to spend the final two months of the year in Arkansas.
41:05 --> 41:13 [SPEAKER_00]: He will start next year in Arkansas, presumably, unless something crazy happened, where I guess the OPS is like the thirteen hundred, the final two months down in Arkansas this year.
41:14 --> 41:19 [SPEAKER_00]: But if he spends the final two months down in Arkansas this year, and then he spends another
41:20 --> 41:23 [SPEAKER_00]: two, three months in Arkansas to start next year.
41:23 --> 41:28 [SPEAKER_00]: So if you were to say he spent April, May, maybe June in Arkansas.
41:29 --> 41:31 [SPEAKER_00]: And then he went to Tacoma for a month in July.
41:32 --> 41:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he'd be ready.
41:33 --> 41:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, by somewhere between the All Star Break and a couple weeks after the trade deadline.
41:39 --> 41:42 [SPEAKER_00]: In other words, when the Mariners next year,
41:43 --> 41:58 [SPEAKER_00]: are presumably like in a spot where they're competitive again, and they're trying to make the playoffs again, you might get to get a real boost in the summer, where you could call up Colt Emerson to the roster and he's ready and really help them down that road and help them down that stretch.
41:58 --> 42:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's the questions about playing time who's where, but that's something the Mariners can figure out and solve next year, given they have JP Crawford under contract for next year, and say if they resign genome loud, then you have an infield for next year.
42:12 --> 42:14 [SPEAKER_01]: But that's something the Mariners figure out in the off season.
42:14 --> 42:18 [SPEAKER_01]: That's something they figure out next year when it comes to promoting Cold Emerson.
42:18 --> 42:21 [SPEAKER_01]: There is nothing he had left to prove and ever it.
42:21 --> 42:27 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think this promotion is pretty clear on that point of why he deserved to get promoted to to the next level.
42:28 --> 42:28 [SPEAKER_01]: He deserves it.
42:28 --> 42:30 [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to crush it up in Arkansas.
42:30 --> 42:34 [SPEAKER_01]: We're very excited to keep watching him as he takes another step closer to the big leagues.
42:34 --> 42:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the more interesting case Lyle these two is Jorangelo.
42:37 --> 42:42 [SPEAKER_01]: So, Dr. Angelo, as a writer in Everett this year has pitched very well.
42:42 --> 42:44 [SPEAKER_01]: He's had to deal with.
42:44 --> 42:47 [SPEAKER_01]: He's been in and out of pitching deep in the games.
42:48 --> 42:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Recently, his last handful of starts.
42:50 --> 42:51 [SPEAKER_01]: He got up over eighty pitches.
42:52 --> 42:53 [SPEAKER_01]: He was pitching into the sixth inning.
42:55 --> 42:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that is one of
42:57 --> 43:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Some of the other signs that the Mariners used to pull him up at this point right now.
43:02 --> 43:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Here's my thought on Darangel getting promoted.
43:05 --> 43:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone can see the talent with his right hand.
43:07 --> 43:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Very clear, very evident at this point.
43:10 --> 43:13 [SPEAKER_01]: When he's pitching righty, he is a high level prospect.
43:14 --> 43:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I do think though at the beginning of this year they thought if he stretched out at this point regardless we want to move him up to ever it to have him challenge those hitters at this point this year because that's the progress we've wanted to see a make at the beginning of the season rather than in season is that a crazy take say that one more time saying that they decided his promotion at the end of July at the beginning of the season
43:41 --> 43:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, a lot of times teams do decide on promotions and like map it out.
43:46 --> 43:51 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's not crazy to say that they didn't decide yesterday or two days ago.
43:52 --> 43:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, now we're going to promote your Angela.
43:53 --> 43:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think the fact that he had this whole project going where he is working with both hands.
44:00 --> 44:02 [SPEAKER_00]: you have to a lot more time for development.
44:02 --> 44:13 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, like I think it's fair to say we're going to give them about this amount amount of time in effort to start the year and then move them up as long as these knock it and shell down and down with the aqua socks.
44:14 --> 44:21 [SPEAKER_00]: And now I think that times gotten here where they said, look, we've seen enough of what we need to see from them in high A and now it's time to challenge them at another level.
44:22 --> 44:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Because to be honest, the right hand is a whole
44:25 --> 44:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, he could have gotten the promotion probably much quicker than this, had he not been also throwing with the left hand.
44:31 --> 44:46 [SPEAKER_00]: His numbers are skewed where you got to look at the splits to really fully get the picture of what's your Angela's season's been this year because if you're just sitting at home and you're curious to look up to Angela ZRA for the year, you're going to dial it up and see that it's four five eight and you're going to say, well, he's been okay.
44:46 --> 44:47 [SPEAKER_00]: He hasn't been great.
44:48 --> 44:49 [SPEAKER_00]: That's misleading.
44:49 --> 44:50 [SPEAKER_00]: So this is why you go to a splits.
44:51 --> 44:55 [SPEAKER_00]: You can go on MLB.com or MLB.com and look at all the different splits.
44:55 --> 44:56 [SPEAKER_00]: He has this year.
44:57 --> 45:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Drangelo's made three outings as a reliever this year, which we're coming from the left side when he was throwing lefty, where he got lit up pretty good.
45:05 --> 45:07 [SPEAKER_00]: In those three outings, he gave up nine earned runs.
45:08 --> 45:11 [SPEAKER_00]: So you take that away and you say, okay, what's Drangelo done as a starter this year?
45:12 --> 45:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Is he raised three, five, nine?
45:14 --> 45:20 [SPEAKER_00]: three by nine across sixteen starts at the start of this year with opponent hitting just one ninety three against them.
45:21 --> 45:34 [SPEAKER_00]: That screams like a guy that is ready for a promotion to double a probably could have gotten it a little sooner had he just been a righty but because he is doing something that is so unique they give him a little more time.
45:35 --> 45:38 [SPEAKER_01]: How much more do we think they're going to let him throw lefty?
45:40 --> 45:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
45:41 --> 45:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't know if they're really going to keep it up in terms of he's going to throw an inning.
45:47 --> 45:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, actually, well, they shut that down a long time ago.
45:50 --> 45:54 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not doing the thing anymore where he's making one appearance a week out of the bullpen as a lefty.
45:55 --> 45:56 [SPEAKER_00]: That's stopped.
45:57 --> 46:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you're going to read the numbers on a minute, which is fine.
46:02 --> 46:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Is it detrimental to just have him keep it up to the extent of, hey,
46:07 --> 46:17 [SPEAKER_00]: If he gets a good lefty lefty matchup and the numbers improve over time, then sure once or twice a game, he could throw it to the left side against the lefty.
46:17 --> 46:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Is it like, is it the worst thing in the world to have him keep doing that?
46:23 --> 46:27 [SPEAKER_01]: If he keeps doing what he's doing right now, probably.
46:28 --> 46:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Because the lefty numbers are bad.
46:31 --> 46:35 [SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of it was skewed by his three outings as a reliever, what you mentioned.
46:35 --> 46:39 [SPEAKER_01]: He gave up nine runs on nine hits and walked seven guys in two innings.
46:40 --> 46:43 [SPEAKER_01]: So that is obviously going to skew what he does as a lefty.
46:45 --> 47:08 [SPEAKER_01]: But if his lefty stuff is that far away from even being in high A because right now what I just read was all this high A numbers as a lefty that would suggest that Max his lefty arm right now is about Medesto level roughly if they were going to work on it and I don't think they want to bring that lefty arm up
47:09 --> 47:20 [SPEAKER_01]: to Arkansas and have to put all that time that's required to try and make it better in Arkansas and keep him there longer because you know what they're not going to do.
47:21 --> 47:25 [SPEAKER_01]: They're not going to if his left arm is not ready for the big leagues.
47:25 --> 47:30 [SPEAKER_01]: He's not throwing lefty for the games that matter and Seattle to which that point is
47:31 --> 47:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Then why do you keep doing it?
47:32 --> 47:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Why would you keep doing it?
47:34 --> 47:35 [SPEAKER_01]: It is fun.
47:35 --> 47:43 [SPEAKER_01]: But the results this year have really not been good in missing bats and throwing strikes and being efficient.
47:43 --> 47:44 [SPEAKER_01]: It just it hasn't been there.
47:45 --> 47:47 [SPEAKER_00]: So here's when we're going to get our answer on this.
47:47 --> 47:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Next, bring training.
47:49 --> 47:51 [SPEAKER_00]: They're not going to shut it down in the middle of the year.
47:51 --> 47:53 [SPEAKER_00]: They're not going to tell them to stop in the middle of the year.
47:53 --> 47:56 [SPEAKER_00]: He's already built in this routine and he's already gotten into the flow of it.
47:57 --> 48:01 [SPEAKER_00]: There's only about two months left in the year in the minor leaves a little bit less than that.
48:02 --> 48:03 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not going to stop this year.
48:03 --> 48:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we will have an answer early on in next spring training if this is going to continue or not because somebody's going to ask the question and the Mariners will let people know either we are going to continue to let your Angela work from both sides or we talked about it this off season and made the decision that he is strictly going to be ready moving forward.
48:20 --> 48:21 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think the next year.
48:21 --> 48:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I was going to say the one thing that jumps out to me, you don't even have to look at it as a starter and reliever split.
48:27 --> 48:30 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't need to look at it sort of I think in any other way than this.
48:31 --> 48:39 [SPEAKER_01]: The reason he throws left handed down is to throw left on left and get lefties out who cannot hit other left handers on the mound.
48:40 --> 48:48 [SPEAKER_01]: As a lefty against left-handed matters this year, Drangel has allowed an eleven hundred OPS and a six hundred on-base percentage.
48:51 --> 48:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, it's not great.
48:53 --> 48:54 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
48:54 --> 48:55 [SPEAKER_00]: But, but...
48:57 --> 48:58 [SPEAKER_00]: This can improve over time.
48:58 --> 49:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, if it improves, quote, unquote, where it goes from an eleven hundred OPS to a nine hundred OPS, then the Mariners may deem that it's not worth all the time they're putting into the development of that left arm.
49:08 --> 49:16 [SPEAKER_00]: But if it improves next year, where he has a Bryce Miller, Brian Wu jump in year two, where how Miller and Wu couldn't get any lefties out his rookies, and then they both figured it out.
49:17 --> 49:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Strangelo figures it out a little bit in year two.
49:19 --> 49:22 [SPEAKER_00]: If the Mariners give him one more season to do this thing,
49:23 --> 49:32 [SPEAKER_00]: then they may say, okay, it's worth it to have him continue to work on the left hand enough where he can throw like switch arms and throw to a couple of battles a game is a left team.
49:33 --> 49:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think Drain's what at some point will sit there and think is the time and effort that's going to be required to bring
49:40 --> 49:55 [SPEAKER_01]: up that arm to the way it is or to the way you want it to be is that worth it when it like the big leagues are right there and you're on the doorstep of the big leagues and you get that temptation of wanting to go pitch up there and you're like
49:56 --> 49:58 [SPEAKER_01]: If I just stop throwing lefty, I'll be a big leagueer.
49:59 --> 50:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Like ultimately, that question could come up and he'd have to answer that himself on that.
50:05 --> 50:14 [SPEAKER_01]: And then you think about it from a Mariners perspective is all this time and effort worth it when he's going to throw one inning left handed a week.
50:16 --> 50:34 [SPEAKER_01]: in total from all the batter so fast you mean yeah it's probably because again unless it drastically improves the only people they would let him throw left handed to say it works out best case scenario and still gets to the majors but it's still not this elite stuff from the left side who would be allowed to face like
50:35 --> 51:02 [SPEAKER_01]: carry carpenter carry carpenter um pick pick someone who has the worst left left splits of all time like that's who he gets to face a lot of these lefties and baseball are good and can hit lefties which would make him throw right anyways right yeah the mayor said their thing it's like all right we have all this development plan do we want to put all this effort in for another arm to pitch twenty pitches a week
51:04 --> 51:11 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that'll be a very, very interesting storyline come February because that's when we're going to get more answers on it.
51:11 --> 51:13 [SPEAKER_00]: For now, I'm guessing it'll continue with it.
51:14 --> 51:25 [SPEAKER_00]: And the more important thing here is the production of the right arm earned in this promotion to AA and the production of the right arm says, this guy can be a front and big league starter.
51:26 --> 51:27 [SPEAKER_01]: A hundred percent.
51:27 --> 51:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And that, yeah, it's almost like a given that
51:31 --> 51:35 [SPEAKER_01]: we just kind of glazed over his right arm because like the stuff is so good.
51:35 --> 51:41 [SPEAKER_01]: And I just want to see him keep getting stretched out throwing with that and watch him take off.
51:42 --> 51:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think he maybe sees the fact he's not listed as a top one hundred prospect on some sites.
51:49 --> 51:50 [SPEAKER_01]: He's the first round or last year.
51:50 --> 51:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Some of these guys are in the big leagues already.
51:52 --> 51:54 [SPEAKER_01]: He wasn't even ready as a top one hundred prospect.
51:54 --> 51:56 [SPEAKER_01]: You think that's not a chip on your shoulder?
51:57 --> 51:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think he looks at that stuff?
52:00 --> 52:01 [SPEAKER_01]: He might not admit to us he does.
52:03 --> 52:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe.
52:03 --> 52:06 [SPEAKER_01]: There's someone in his camp probably saw it.
52:07 --> 52:10 [SPEAKER_00]: There's outlets that have him in the top a hundred though.
52:10 --> 52:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I know not high in the top one hundred.
52:14 --> 52:15 [SPEAKER_00]: So you see that use it as motivation.
52:16 --> 52:16 [SPEAKER_00]: That's fine.
52:17 --> 52:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think that's because of him continuing to do work with the left arm too?
52:23 --> 52:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I can tribute, because just remember all the time it takes away from you throwing right-handed.
52:30 --> 52:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
52:31 --> 52:35 [SPEAKER_01]: All the routines that pictures have to do that say, Logan Gilbert.
52:35 --> 52:37 [SPEAKER_01]: If you watch Logan Gilbert, you go to a Mariners game.
52:38 --> 52:43 [SPEAKER_01]: You watch all the time, Logan Gilbert spends before a start getting ready.
52:43 --> 52:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Drangel has to do twice as much work because he's got two arms to take care of.
52:48 --> 52:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Think of just the energy used how much more efficiently that energy could be spent if you don't have to do twice the work.
52:55 --> 52:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
52:55 --> 52:56 [SPEAKER_00]: That's true.
52:57 --> 52:57 [SPEAKER_00]: It'll be interesting.
52:57 --> 52:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Come February.
52:58 --> 52:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's my conclusion.
52:59 --> 53:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a hundred percent with you on that one.
53:01 --> 53:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Regardless, the right arm is going to continue to blossom and be disgusting.
53:05 --> 53:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
53:06 --> 53:10 [SPEAKER_00]: And that is why he's going to double A. That's why we can't wait to watch him when he's in double A. It'll be really cool.
53:11 --> 53:15 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, I think that just about wraps up this edition of the Marine Lair podcast.
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