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01:28 --> 01:37 [SPEAKER_00]: And we welcome you to this episode of the Marine layer podcast part of the just baseball podcast network recording on Thursday evening August seventh.
01:38 --> 01:40 [SPEAKER_00]: While I love Josh Naylor.
01:41 --> 01:45 [SPEAKER_00]: He has become one of my favorite baseball players of all time and it took less than two weeks.
01:47 --> 01:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Dude, he's the man.
01:48 --> 01:49 [SPEAKER_01]: He is awesome.
01:50 --> 01:53 [SPEAKER_01]: They should recite them right now to be on extension four years right now.
01:55 --> 01:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Now I'm sure he won't do that, but they should do it.
01:58 --> 02:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Ask yourself this listener if the Mariners walked up to Josh Nailer and gave him five for a hundred million dollars right now.
02:04 --> 02:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Would you be happy?
02:05 --> 02:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Does that not feel a little high?
02:10 --> 02:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry, Lao, for the most fundamental baseball player on this Mariners team, I think not.
02:15 --> 02:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Here's a text I wrote while watching this man steal bases, hit dingers, go on the record and say he doesn't watch iPads.
02:24 --> 02:27 [SPEAKER_00]: He sits on the bench and he watches games.
02:27 --> 02:29 [SPEAKER_00]: He pays attention to tendencies.
02:29 --> 02:38 [SPEAKER_00]: He picks up on all these little details around the diamond to make himself the best possible baseball player, oh well, not having a smile on his face.
02:39 --> 02:39 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think
02:40 --> 02:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
02:41 --> 02:47 [SPEAKER_00]: That sounds like the most fundamental baseball player I've ever heard of in my life in baseball that they admit.
02:47 --> 02:53 [SPEAKER_00]: In fact, Lyle, I think Josh Nailer is what everyone thinks Ben Williamson is.
02:53 --> 02:55 [SPEAKER_00]: No slide at Ben Williamson, by the way.
02:55 --> 03:02 [SPEAKER_00]: But when people talk about the fundamentals of Ben Williamson, I mean, that's actually what Josh Nailer is, I think.
03:04 --> 03:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, by that.
03:06 --> 03:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Josh Nailer,
03:09 --> 03:34 [SPEAKER_01]: again he hits he hits for power he steals bases he draws walks he doesn't strike out he's got a good approach he's old school but old school in in a good way where the like his game still translates and transitions to the new era of baseball while having that old school mindset and kind of old school mentality do he did something this week that hadn't been done since Billy Hamilton
03:35 --> 03:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Billy Hamilton might be one of the ten fastest players in baseball history and Josh Nieler matched one of his stolen base records this week.
03:45 --> 03:46 [SPEAKER_00]: This week.
03:46 --> 03:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Jump Billy Hamilton.
03:48 --> 03:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I think his sprint speed.
03:50 --> 03:57 [SPEAKER_00]: If I'm going to guess to made off the top my head because Billy Hamilton was right at his peak was right around when stat cast was starting up.
03:58 --> 04:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they quite had sprint speed yet.
04:00 --> 04:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to guess Billy Hamilton was around thirty one feet per second, which is elite, Josh Nailer is in the third percentile sprint speed.
04:11 --> 04:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I think there's only four team players who are slower than him.
04:16 --> 04:18 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm glad I'm glad you brought that up.
04:18 --> 04:20 [SPEAKER_01]: He is in the third percentile of sprint speed.
04:21 --> 04:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And in terms of the guys that are behind him, I'm just going to read a few.
04:26 --> 04:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to do a little exercise here for you.
04:28 --> 04:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I want you to look at the camera and try to get me to read through these names without you breaking character, without you laughing.
04:34 --> 04:37 [SPEAKER_01]: So again, Josh Nailer ranks
04:38 --> 04:42 [SPEAKER_01]: five, seventeen out of five hundred thirty guys in baseball in sprint speed.
04:42 --> 04:46 [SPEAKER_01]: He's not fast yet somehow he steals twenty bases this year.
04:46 --> 04:49 [SPEAKER_01]: And again, just broke a record that was last set by Billy Hamilton.
04:50 --> 04:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me read you some names of guys behind.
04:52 --> 04:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Naylor.
04:53 --> 04:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Tristan Kossas is on there.
04:54 --> 04:54 [SPEAKER_01]: That's one.
04:56 --> 04:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll just read you the whole list.
04:57 --> 04:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Austin wins.
04:58 --> 04:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Jose Trevino, G.O.
04:59 --> 05:02 [SPEAKER_01]: or Shella Victor, Caratini, Johnny Pareta.
05:02 --> 05:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Here come the fun ones.
05:04 --> 05:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Alejandro Kirk.
05:08 --> 05:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying.
05:09 --> 05:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Keep going.
05:10 --> 05:11 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a better one on here.
05:13 --> 05:26 [SPEAKER_01]: John Carlos Stanton, which if you watch that double play that John Carlos made a totally feeble attempt to run out the other night, and you say that guy's barely slower than a guy with twenty stolen bases feeble.
05:26 --> 05:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Dude, I don't think John Carlos Stanton can physically run anymore.
05:30 --> 05:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, so by definition, it was a feeble attempt.
05:33 --> 05:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
05:34 --> 05:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Johnny most in is slow.
05:36 --> 05:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Josh Newler's not that much faster than he is, which is funny that one of them's built like straight granite and one of them's, you know, like a below six foot like, you know, girthy, girthy is the right word, Lyle.
05:50 --> 05:51 [SPEAKER_01]: The first basement, like it's kind of stocky.
05:51 --> 05:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that's the right word.
05:52 --> 05:53 [SPEAKER_01]: It's stocky first basement.
05:54 --> 05:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I final couple names to keep going.
05:56 --> 05:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Jose Miranda, Jacob stallings.
05:59 --> 06:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me, let me save the best one for last.
06:02 --> 06:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Marty Maldon out of last, Sam Huff of the Giants is second to last.
06:06 --> 06:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Third to last is, can you guess?
06:10 --> 06:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Third to last.
06:12 --> 06:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Daniel Vogelback.
06:14 --> 06:17 [SPEAKER_01]: No, but you're on the right, you're on the right path.
06:17 --> 06:19 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a certain reason, rowdy to less.
06:20 --> 06:22 [SPEAKER_01]: It is rowdy fucking to less.
06:22 --> 06:22 [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
06:24 --> 06:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Those are the guys slower and baseball than Josh Naylor and Josh Naylor is twenty stolen bases this year.
06:31 --> 06:32 [SPEAKER_01]: That's incredible.
06:33 --> 06:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Who are some guys in front of Josh Naylor?
06:34 --> 06:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you have that in front of you?
06:36 --> 06:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like very slightly ahead of them.
06:38 --> 06:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
06:40 --> 06:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, this list is kind of funny.
06:42 --> 06:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Gary Sanchez, Salvador Perez, Reese Hoskins, Sean Murphy, Josh Bell, Ty France.
06:48 --> 06:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that is a fun list.
06:53 --> 06:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my goodness.
06:54 --> 06:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, let me, let me say two things about Nailer.
06:58 --> 07:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Number one, in terms of electronics, by the way, one stolen base with the Mariners.
07:02 --> 07:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Sounds about right.
07:04 --> 07:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
07:05 --> 07:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Josh Nailer, number one, I mean, if the look of the Mariners gave him a five-year deal for a hundred mill.
07:09 --> 07:10 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not my money.
07:10 --> 07:12 [SPEAKER_01]: If you keep Josh Nailer, you keep Josh Nailer, I'll say great.
07:14 --> 07:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like four for seventy-five could probably get it done.
07:19 --> 07:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Given the years, it's roughly seventeen, eighteen million A.V.
07:23 --> 07:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Christian Walker got three for sixty, and to be fair, Walker is older than Nailer.
07:27 --> 07:32 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just he also had a really, really good couple of years before his walk year.
07:32 --> 07:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And he got twenty million here.
07:34 --> 07:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
07:34 --> 07:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like seventy five over four years is about right eight just under nineteen million.
07:38 --> 07:39 [SPEAKER_01]: They'll get it done.
07:39 --> 07:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I would think so.
07:41 --> 07:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, you know, it's right below the top wrong of first basement and what they're paid.
07:45 --> 07:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
07:46 --> 07:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the mayor's could get that done.
07:48 --> 07:51 [SPEAKER_01]: It'll probably have to be in the off season, but they could they could get it done anyway.
07:52 --> 07:54 [SPEAKER_01]: The other part of Josh Naylor is.
07:55 --> 07:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's hope he's okay on Thursday.
07:57 --> 07:57 [SPEAKER_01]: He.
07:59 --> 08:01 [SPEAKER_01]: heard his other shoulders swinging a bit.
08:01 --> 08:03 [SPEAKER_01]: So he had some shoulder issues back when he was in Arizona.
08:04 --> 08:11 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the other shoulder now as Daniel Cramer reported, but it's the good news is it's only sore.
08:11 --> 08:12 [SPEAKER_01]: It sounds like it's day today.
08:12 --> 08:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't love the fact he's got two sore shoulders, but I am glad they avoided for now a worst case scenario.
08:21 --> 08:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, thankfully he doesn't have to play the White Sox anymore so it doesn't have to swing as hard.
08:25 --> 08:27 [SPEAKER_00]: This dude has a vendetta against the White Sox.
08:28 --> 08:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Outside of watching the Mariners win all of these games during the week, the next most fun thing for me was listening to Len Casper on White Sox radio called the Josh Nailer home runs.
08:39 --> 08:40 [SPEAKER_00]: It sounds like
08:41 --> 08:43 [SPEAKER_00]: They were pretty much done with watching Josh Naylor.
08:43 --> 08:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Josh Naylor, longtime Cleveland Guardian, destroyed the White Sox.
08:47 --> 08:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Get straighted to the Diamondbacks, destroys the White Sox.
08:50 --> 08:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Get straighted to the Mariners, destroys the White Sox.
08:53 --> 08:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, like that home run, he hit on Wednesday was lapable.
08:59 --> 09:04 [SPEAKER_00]: First pitch, first inning, and he fucking obliterates the ball.
09:06 --> 09:08 [SPEAKER_00]: He didn't crack a smile, of course.
09:08 --> 09:10 [SPEAKER_00]: But everyone else just couldn't help but laugh.
09:10 --> 09:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And then the day before, he does his little double bat flip, where he flips the bat head over into his hand, flips it once, and then smacks the butt of it with his hand on the way up to flip it in the other direction as he does his slow trot around the base pads.
09:26 --> 09:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I do feel like he's trolling the white socks at this point.
09:31 --> 09:33 [SPEAKER_01]: He is, he really is fascinating.
09:33 --> 09:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Can I?
09:34 --> 09:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Can I put something out there for people?
09:36 --> 09:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Since I know we're in the trust tree here with all of our just absolutely awesome listeners that I'm gonna put this out there and and you'll okay talking about it.
09:45 --> 09:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a little afraid to talk to Josh Taylor.
09:47 --> 09:48 [SPEAKER_01]: We haven't talked to him yet.
09:49 --> 09:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure at some point we will and we want to.
09:52 --> 09:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a little afraid.
09:54 --> 10:00 [SPEAKER_01]: This guy, this guy scares me a little bit like he's he's so intense that I almost partly wonder if like
10:01 --> 10:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Anything we say is just gonna get you a death stare.
10:04 --> 10:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Because we're trying to think of ideas that would be kind of funny and that can tie back to him.
10:09 --> 10:12 [SPEAKER_00]: And we're also thinking it's like, what if he doesn't think it's funny?
10:13 --> 10:16 [SPEAKER_00]: And then he gives you the Josh Nailer stare at you on the camera.
10:16 --> 10:19 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, that, well, might have to be a social clip in and of itself.
10:20 --> 10:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Where it's like, so you ask the question, bounces him and he just stares at you.
10:26 --> 10:31 [SPEAKER_00]: And the camera goes back, forth, back and forth, back and forth.
10:32 --> 10:33 [SPEAKER_01]: We can add some sound effects.
10:36 --> 10:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, one way or another, it might turn into content, just because if he's great, then it's great.
10:43 --> 10:50 [SPEAKER_01]: And if he gives you the total Josh Nailer deaths there, then that might be entertaining for people too, just to have us get dunked on and say,
10:51 --> 10:56 [SPEAKER_01]: This is what you get when you ask him stupid questions and he doesn't want anything to do with you guys, et cetera, et cetera.
10:57 --> 10:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Here's a stat that's relevant to this week in Lyle.
11:00 --> 11:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Each year, never stole more than ten bases in an eleven game span.
11:06 --> 11:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Josh Nailer has ten stolen bases in an eleven game span.
11:12 --> 11:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Unreal.
11:14 --> 11:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Unreal.
11:14 --> 11:15 [SPEAKER_00]: That is pretty unreal.
11:15 --> 11:17 [SPEAKER_01]: As we start to wrap up this Josh Nailer thing,
11:19 --> 11:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Can I just play the clip for everybody?
11:25 --> 11:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll wrap up with this because while we're on the topic of Josh Naylor, absolutely obliterating the white socks.
11:31 --> 11:35 [SPEAKER_01]: There is nothing, even as great as that Batflip was the other night with the Mariners.
11:36 --> 11:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Nothing will top what he did when he was in Cleveland facing the White Sox.
11:40 --> 11:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, first off, his numbers against the White Sox are a joke.
11:43 --> 11:47 [SPEAKER_01]: He's hitting three, sixty for his career against someone as OPS is way over a thousand.
11:47 --> 11:49 [SPEAKER_01]: He crushes that team.
11:50 --> 11:50 [SPEAKER_01]: But.
11:51 --> 11:55 [SPEAKER_01]: But a couple of years ago, I believe it was twenty, twenty two.
11:56 --> 11:59 [SPEAKER_01]: The Guardians were playing in Chicago.
11:59 --> 12:01 [SPEAKER_01]: They were down four runs in the ninth inning.
12:01 --> 12:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Josh Nailer hit a grand slam to tie it up.
12:04 --> 12:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Then in extra innings, Nailer hits a go ahead home run and is next to bat to give him the lead, the guardians end up winning the game.
12:11 --> 12:16 [SPEAKER_01]: This guy, I mean, I'll just play the audio for people.
12:16 --> 12:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure some of you have heard it already, but it never gets old.
12:20 --> 12:21 [SPEAKER_01]: The video makes it even better.
12:22 --> 12:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I'll try to turn my phone for anybody watching on YouTube, but yeah, here.
12:33 --> 12:43 [SPEAKER_00]: So the crashing sound at the end by the way was him picking his helmet off his head and proceed to throw it full speed at the back wall of the dugout.
12:44 --> 12:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that was is psychotic.
12:48 --> 12:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I've never seen someone so fired up to hit a regular season home run.
12:53 --> 12:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he lost his mind.
12:56 --> 13:03 [SPEAKER_00]: You see his, if you look at the video, like see his eyes and the intensity that is just flowing out in that moment.
13:03 --> 13:22 [SPEAKER_00]: for him to like have so much energy that he's like he's screaming his eyes out and still has the energy to take his helmet and almost hurt himself for how hard he threw it he's he's blacked out on adrenaline and also seeing red all at the same time yeah I'm surprised nobody got hurt with him doing that
13:24 --> 13:29 [SPEAKER_01]: If he gets a home run like that in the playoffs for the Mariners, I want to see every bit of that from Josh Naylor.
13:30 --> 13:31 [SPEAKER_01]: This is what I mean.
13:31 --> 13:32 [SPEAKER_01]: He's so fun.
13:32 --> 13:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how he's going to be if we actually try and talk to him, but like to actually watch him.
13:36 --> 13:37 [SPEAKER_01]: And you know what, I shouldn't say that.
13:37 --> 13:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he'll be awesome.
13:38 --> 13:41 [SPEAKER_01]: We just have, we have no idea because we haven't talked to him yet.
13:41 --> 13:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And just like just seeing him from afar, it's a little terrifying.
13:46 --> 13:54 [SPEAKER_01]: But like the on-field energy that he plays with and the, and just like everything that he brings to the table,
13:55 --> 14:00 [SPEAKER_01]: It's, I mean, did the Mariners of needed somebody like this for so long?
14:00 --> 14:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And now they have it.
14:01 --> 14:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought forever, this was going to be Jared Kellnick, that not only was he going to be an MVP candidate every year, as he was coming up through the miners, but I thought he was going to piss people off and screaming people's faces and just have all this emotion.
14:13 --> 14:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I love the idea of that.
14:16 --> 14:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And obviously, Kellnick had the emotional part of it, but the on-field played and pan out.
14:21 --> 14:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Nailer with the way he plays.
14:23 --> 14:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Dude, if he has all that emotion like that all the time, sign me all the way up.
14:28 --> 14:35 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a good, it's a good ingredient to have on this team that really is, especially just comparing contrast him and Gino when they came over.
14:35 --> 14:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Gino is the good vibes, mellow, like we're never gonna see any of that from Gino.
14:40 --> 14:42 [SPEAKER_00]: He can be the dad of the group.
14:42 --> 14:45 [SPEAKER_00]: While Josh Nailer is the psychotic older brother.
14:46 --> 14:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
14:48 --> 14:48 [SPEAKER_00]: It's great.
14:49 --> 14:49 [SPEAKER_00]: It's great.
14:49 --> 14:50 [SPEAKER_00]: The series smile.
14:51 --> 14:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we saw a lot of the same things we saw the series with the white socks as we did over the weekend against the ranger.
14:58 --> 15:02 [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't want to go in and rehash everyone for the second series in a row.
15:03 --> 15:05 [SPEAKER_00]: This lineup is jokingly deep.
15:06 --> 15:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I could not believe the depth of this lineup, especially on Tuesday watching them just go out there and mash and mash.
15:12 --> 15:14 [SPEAKER_00]: It just keeps going and going and going.
15:14 --> 15:16 [SPEAKER_00]: It was so much fun to watch.
15:16 --> 15:18 [SPEAKER_00]: The starting pitching was really good.
15:19 --> 15:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, these are the two things we're going to have to see for them to go out there and have to win baseball games.
15:24 --> 15:29 [SPEAKER_00]: So overwhelmingly, I want people to have a positive takeaway from what you saw against the white socks.
15:29 --> 15:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what's the white socks?
15:30 --> 15:31 [SPEAKER_00]: They kind of stink.
15:31 --> 15:34 [SPEAKER_00]: They don't have a lot of good players on their team at all.
15:34 --> 15:36 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, you should take care of business against them.
15:36 --> 15:38 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's exactly what the Mariners did.
15:38 --> 15:40 [SPEAKER_00]: They took care of the opportunities they were supposed to.
15:41 --> 15:50 [SPEAKER_00]: There were also a couple other things that we can spend a tiny little bit of time on in an overwhelming positive episode that we saw in the series against the white socks.
15:51 --> 15:53 [SPEAKER_00]: What would you like to discuss first?
15:54 --> 15:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I would like to say just like you just described.
15:59 --> 16:02 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners swept the White Talks and the White Talks are a really bad team.
16:03 --> 16:04 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners needed to take care of business and they did.
16:05 --> 16:08 [SPEAKER_01]: They won all three games and when you're here in August, you need every win you can get.
16:09 --> 16:09 [SPEAKER_01]: And the Mariners did that.
16:09 --> 16:19 [SPEAKER_01]: So you're right, this episode should be almost nothing but overwhelmingly positive and talking about how the Mariners are a game and a half-back of Houston.
16:19 --> 16:22 [SPEAKER_01]: When you look at the wild card standings, they're sitting in the second wild card spot.
16:23 --> 16:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they're in a really, really good position right now, which is great.
16:27 --> 16:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's six in one post trade deadline.
16:29 --> 16:31 [SPEAKER_01]: This team is playing really well, and the moves are paying off.
16:32 --> 16:35 [SPEAKER_01]: This, like, you should feel really good about where the Mariners are right now.
16:37 --> 16:42 [SPEAKER_01]: If we're going to spend like two minutes nitpicking a couple things, then that promise will be done.
16:42 --> 16:46 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's just start with the bullpen.
16:47 --> 16:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll say this.
16:49 --> 16:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to keep going back to using this example because I think it needs to be remembered.
16:54 --> 17:00 [SPEAKER_01]: The twenty nineteen nationals and the twenty twenty three rangers were both bottom five bullpen in baseball.
17:01 --> 17:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Just remember that.
17:02 --> 17:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Those two teams won the World Series that year, each of them.
17:06 --> 17:07 [SPEAKER_01]: bottom five bullpens and baseball.
17:08 --> 17:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Can the Seattle Mariners bullpen that is objectively much better than those two bullpens ever were?
17:13 --> 17:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Still have eons of success if they get into October in spite of what the bullpens looked like at times?
17:20 --> 17:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.
17:21 --> 17:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Because if you get hot and you just have to ride your leverage guys for the most part, you'll be fine.
17:27 --> 17:28 [SPEAKER_01]: If you are concerned about the bullpen,
17:29 --> 17:34 [SPEAKER_01]: You are also plenty warranted to be concerned about the bullhead because a couple of the games this series.
17:35 --> 17:39 [SPEAKER_01]: You saw a couple of those potential weaknesses on display.
17:40 --> 17:44 [SPEAKER_00]: You watch the first two games like that is how they're going to outdo their bullpen.
17:44 --> 17:45 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't the twenty twenty three Rangers did.
17:46 --> 17:47 [SPEAKER_00]: They matched.
17:48 --> 17:49 [SPEAKER_00]: unbelievably good offense.
17:50 --> 17:58 [SPEAKER_00]: They put games so far out of hand that it did not matter that their bullpen was a dumpster fire at times, where they could just simply outskrather a opponent.
17:59 --> 18:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Wednesday, I think, was the best example of that.
18:00 --> 18:10 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners are pounding the White Sox pitching staff, but the bullpen was as league as it's been in pretty much any game all season, but White Sox managed to crawl all the way back.
18:11 --> 18:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Thankfully, the Mariners are able to hold on and win a game.
18:13 --> 18:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Like that might be how you have to do it.
18:15 --> 18:17 [SPEAKER_00]: That's why you trade for all this lineup depth.
18:17 --> 18:24 [SPEAKER_00]: So you can consistently have guys coming up and driving and runs and take that pressure off your bullpen.
18:24 --> 18:27 [SPEAKER_00]: So even if they do give up runs, it ends up working out this way.
18:27 --> 18:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I will just say, though,
18:29 --> 18:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Just watching the series of these bullpen arms facing an objectively bad line up in the Chicago White Sox.
18:35 --> 18:36 [SPEAKER_00]: It was not pretty.
18:36 --> 18:38 [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't pretty for the low leverage guys.
18:38 --> 18:40 [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't pretty for the mid leverage guys.
18:40 --> 18:43 [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't even pretty for the high leverage guys and Munoz and Matt Prash.
18:44 --> 18:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Neither of them had a great series as well.
18:45 --> 18:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the only guy loyal with a clean slate this entire series was Gabe Spire.
18:50 --> 18:51 [SPEAKER_00]: If I have that right.
18:51 --> 18:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Otherwise, I mean, pick your poison, whoever it is for the Mariners will open, wasn't great against a really not good lineup at all.
18:59 --> 19:13 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's where, like, you know, it just reinforces the fact you watch this book, and then you say, it's not, it's not overwhelmingly good enough to make up, to take that jump that you need them to do at this moment.
19:14 --> 19:22 [SPEAKER_00]: and be a good bullpen, which, which stinks because I want that to happen, but the more you watch it, it's just, it just, it kind of is what it is at this point.
19:22 --> 19:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And, um, oh, I need to say my line mile.
19:27 --> 19:33 [SPEAKER_00]: This line up in the starting rotation now are way too good for the bullpen to be the downfall.
19:34 --> 19:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I just, I hope we get to that point.
19:36 --> 19:45 [SPEAKER_00]: The line-up and rotation are too good for this bullpen to let the team down and them just not be able to achieve what they want to.
19:46 --> 19:55 [SPEAKER_00]: And, and the manager, Lyle, and the manager, just managers decisions, which on Thursday, I'm, I'm just, I'm struggling.
19:55 --> 19:56 [SPEAKER_00]: They won the game.
19:56 --> 19:58 [SPEAKER_00]: That doesn't mean that decisions were good.
19:58 --> 20:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't, I can't, I can't get over the, the whole young decision in the ninth inning.
20:03 --> 20:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Dude, I don't know what on earth we were watching on Thursday.
20:05 --> 20:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Like post-logan Gilbert's outing.
20:07 --> 20:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what on earth we were watching.
20:08 --> 20:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I am glad they won, but again, I don't know what else to say.
20:13 --> 20:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I have no clue what just unfolded in front of our eyes here on Thursday afternoon.
20:19 --> 20:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Like again, so here's, I promise people, give us, give us like, sixty to ninety more seconds, we'll be done.
20:27 --> 20:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Cole Young in the last month has a nine hundred OPS.
20:31 --> 20:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Nine hundred.
20:32 --> 20:35 [SPEAKER_01]: He's striking out about ten percent of the time.
20:36 --> 20:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Why on earth is he dropping down a burnt to give way to two guys that swing and miss a ton in Gino who we love, but swings and misses a ton in the Garver.
20:45 --> 20:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Not even the worst part of that.
20:47 --> 20:52 [SPEAKER_00]: They pulled him off the bench and burned their current first basement to have him burnt.
20:53 --> 20:58 [SPEAKER_00]: If the goal was to get someone out on purpose, why don't you just leave Donovan Solano in.
20:59 --> 21:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Otherwise, why is he on the roster?
21:02 --> 21:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
21:03 --> 21:06 [SPEAKER_00]: But like, I don't understand that.
21:06 --> 21:13 [SPEAKER_00]: And then right after you have to pull Cole Young out of the game to put a different guy who can play first base in there and deal a little more.
21:13 --> 21:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Who by the way, is not a first baseman.
21:16 --> 21:45 [SPEAKER_00]: So it just doesn't make any sense and then dealing more at the end of the game has to be taking big abats and he didn't come through and he struck out and his stats continue to go into a nose dive that ining while ended up when you when you had coal young sacrifice bun where it essentially ended up that instead of having coal young bun of hit with runners on first and second with nobody out to Mitch Garver at the plate with bases loaded in two outs like what would you rather have
21:47 --> 21:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'd rather let Cole Young hit.
21:50 --> 21:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
21:51 --> 21:58 [SPEAKER_00]: That's why if you just put it that simply, it does not, it really doesn't make that much sense to me.
21:58 --> 22:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to try and see something because Cole Young was facing a lefty in that at that.
22:05 --> 22:15 [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know if their argument is going to be that he is much better against righties than lefties, but I'm curious what he's done in the last month against lefties.
22:15 --> 22:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm pulling it up on my phone because sometimes
22:17 --> 22:19 [SPEAKER_01]: fan graphs on the computers of pain.
22:20 --> 22:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, young in the last month when he's been right hot against lefties, one fifty WRC plus.
22:25 --> 22:26 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not buying that argument.
22:27 --> 22:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it doesn't make much sense.
22:29 --> 22:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, they won the game, but the decision itself.
22:34 --> 22:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't understand it.
22:36 --> 22:41 [SPEAKER_01]: And then the seventh eighth and ninth inning should have been nothing, but Spire, then Brash, then Muneo's.
22:41 --> 22:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why Vargas went back out there.
22:43 --> 22:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what the decision behind that was, but then he gave up Homer.
22:46 --> 22:46 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.
22:47 --> 22:48 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's why they're in extra innings.
22:49 --> 22:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
22:51 --> 22:51 [SPEAKER_01]: To Vargas?
22:53 --> 22:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know man.
22:54 --> 23:02 [SPEAKER_01]: He like he throws way too hard with stuff that moves too much to be striking out six batters per nine.
23:02 --> 23:06 [SPEAKER_01]: That doesn't make any sense in the world matters a lot where he throw it.
23:08 --> 23:23 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I know, but that's why it's like it can often be maddening to watch because he throws so hard and the idea was and the stuff moves a lot Right, and that's and but then he doesn't strike people out.
23:23 --> 23:26 [SPEAKER_01]: He gives up walks his ERA pluses.
23:26 --> 23:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm assuming after this outing today.
23:28 --> 23:33 [SPEAKER_01]: It's gonna drop a lowly average because it was at one o' one I don't know man.
23:33 --> 23:33 [SPEAKER_01]: He
23:34 --> 23:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
23:35 --> 23:38 [SPEAKER_01]: The bullet look, if you've got concerns about the bullpen, it's fair.
23:39 --> 23:41 [SPEAKER_01]: You can still win in spite of a struggling bullpen.
23:42 --> 23:44 [SPEAKER_01]: But if you've got concerns about the bullpen, it's fair.
23:45 --> 23:52 [SPEAKER_00]: This first mailback question I will say loud pertains to this idea, but we get into the mailback.
23:52 --> 23:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, before we get to that, look, you guys.
23:55 --> 23:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Ultimately, the Mariners won.
23:58 --> 24:01 [SPEAKER_01]: the series, they swept, they are six and one post trade deadline.
24:01 --> 24:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Everybody's fired up about, about them right now.
24:03 --> 24:04 [SPEAKER_01]: We are two.
24:04 --> 24:12 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you want to place to go watch these guys, which of course you do, because they are as fun as they've been all season, we'll go watch them over at Pagaches Pub-Eighty five.
24:12 --> 24:15 [SPEAKER_01]: You guys know there are great friends over in Kirkland.
24:15 --> 24:18 [SPEAKER_01]: They've got an awesome spot to watch games and have some great food.
24:18 --> 24:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And if you want to watch the games while you're playing around a pool with your buddies, you can, it's a really fun neighborhood bar to go hang out at.
24:26 --> 24:28 [SPEAKER_01]: And if you go during happy hour, there's awesome drinks.
24:28 --> 24:33 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you want three and four dollar drinks during happy hour from two to six PM, maybe you want to show up.
24:34 --> 24:46 [SPEAKER_01]: get a drink or two, hang out and watch the mariners and get some friends together, and just have a fun evening out, night out, head over there, head over to Pugaches, Pub-A-D-V over in Kirkland, yeah, go check it out.
24:47 --> 25:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's get into the Mailbag Lyle and let's start off with Tanner on Patreon or reminder to all you guys, if you want to have your Mailbag questions right here on the podcast, there's a chance if you leave us a YouTube comment or an Instagram DM that will read your questions on here, but if you want to make sure
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25:28 --> 25:52 [SPEAKER_00]: like roughly an hour of us all to yourself if you want every month patreon.com slash marine layer pod go check it out it's fun place to be first question from tanner asks do you play us historically favor good pitching or good hitting it's not one side fits all but usually pitching usually really good I feel like
25:53 --> 25:57 [SPEAKER_00]: You'd think, let me read you this though.
25:57 --> 25:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Sounds like it about this too.
25:59 --> 26:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I went and looked at the last ten world series winners and what their strength was as a baseball team.
26:06 --> 26:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Twenty twenty four LA Dodgers their strength offense and by the I went and looked at their regular season stats not how they won games in the playoffs at what they were good at in the regular season over a larger sample of games Dodgers last year offense twenty twenty three Texas Rangers offense twenty twenty two Astros pitching their pitching staff was fucking unreal so good
26:32 --> 26:58 [SPEAKER_00]: twenty twenty one braves pretty balanced in twenty twenty dodgers will there are the number one offense and the number one pitching staff so yeah I would say there are balanced that usually works out well twenty nineteen nationals offense twenty eighteen red socks offense twenty seventeen astros offense and then twenty sixteen cubs and twenty fifteen royals were both I they were close enough that they were within like two ranks if run scored in eRA I would say it's both that's how I want to find that
26:58 --> 27:01 [SPEAKER_01]: The nationals pitched their asses off in twenty-nineteen.
27:01 --> 27:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Strasburg, Scherzer, Corbin, that team had some damn good pitching and then had a lot of clutch hitting late.
27:09 --> 27:15 [SPEAKER_00]: They did, but overall they had a top six offense in the entire league, maybe higher that year.
27:15 --> 27:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Their pitching staff was closer to middle of the pack over the course of the entire season, but this is also where the playoffs are different, where the nationals can go to a rotation of three to four guys and a bullpen of three to four guys to get the job done and let their offense do.
27:30 --> 27:32 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the offense was the better unit on that team that year.
27:35 --> 27:56 [SPEAKER_01]: But this is more about the postseason specifically and thinking about what those teams did in the postseason like Nationals really pitched in nineteen astros in twenty two we know they really pitched I mean Dodgers pitched you can make an argument for either I just feel like you always hear about how important really good pitching is in the postseason and we see a lot of good teams win the world series off
27:57 --> 28:21 [SPEAKER_00]: really good starting pitching and that I mean that's a fair point but if you just think about it from a strategic perspective yes great pitching almost always beats good hitting but if you have a lineup like the Mariners one through nine and a pitching staff has to go through that lineup three to four times are they making it through without allowing for runs a lineup of nine guys that can all hit
28:22 --> 28:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that is the other side to this is often you will see starters in the postseason last a lot shorter than they normally would and sometimes have a shorter leash for that very reason.
28:32 --> 28:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Pictures, I know everyone's tired at the end of the season, but the pictures feel it more than the hitters do.
28:36 --> 28:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll tell you that.
28:37 --> 28:38 [SPEAKER_00]: There's no the ones you gotta throw them all.
28:39 --> 28:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
28:40 --> 28:42 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, so our conclusion is you can argue for both sides.
28:43 --> 28:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna say itching, you're gonna say heading.
28:45 --> 28:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'll.
28:45 --> 28:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
28:46 --> 28:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
28:47 --> 28:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
28:48 --> 28:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, for the mariners take this here, it may need to be their heading.
28:53 --> 28:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I would think so, I mean, you could, it won't be the bullpen.
28:56 --> 28:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll say that.
28:57 --> 29:00 [SPEAKER_00]: That is what I will solidly stamp, stamp down on.
29:00 --> 29:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Also, this is something we should probably all start to keep track of.
29:06 --> 29:17 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners could really use that second seed and find a way to get a buy because if you're going to rely on your offense, then playing in a flookie best of three wild card series,
29:18 --> 29:25 [SPEAKER_01]: is not always a favorable matchup because the Mariners from August first till the end of the year may have a top seven offense in that stretch.
29:26 --> 29:32 [SPEAKER_01]: But you go cold for two games in the wildcard series and what's again a really fluky series where anybody can win.
29:33 --> 29:35 [SPEAKER_01]: That's that if you just go cold for two games.
29:35 --> 29:41 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think we should all be paying very close attention to those top two seeds.
29:41 --> 29:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I know everybody's talking about the West and how far they are back at Houston.
29:45 --> 29:47 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners win the West and they're the three seed.
29:48 --> 29:49 [SPEAKER_01]: who cares.
29:49 --> 29:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, look, it would be fun to have playoff games at home, but I think the more important thing is you need that buy.
29:54 --> 30:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the difference of that series is literally just venue for the most part.
30:02 --> 30:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's just the Mariners would get those games at home.
30:04 --> 30:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And again, that would be fun and to have more playoff games at home and for fans to get to see them at home.
30:08 --> 30:15 [SPEAKER_01]: And hopefully they'd score a run this time because the only other playoff game they've seen in twenty five years did not feature a scored run, but
30:16 --> 30:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that buys important.
30:17 --> 30:20 [SPEAKER_00]: So this next question's for you, Lyle.
30:21 --> 30:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Josh on Patreon asks, how much would be too much to pay for Kyle Tucker?
30:28 --> 30:30 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no such thing.
30:30 --> 30:32 [SPEAKER_01]: That was the easiest question I've ever answered.
30:32 --> 30:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Not my money.
30:33 --> 30:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Do whatever it takes to get him here.
30:35 --> 30:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Seven hundred and sixty six million dollars for one Kyle Tucker putting him as the highest paid player ever in baseball history over one photo.
30:46 --> 30:48 [SPEAKER_01]: One photo is a glorified DH.
30:48 --> 30:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Kyle Tucker actually plays the field.
30:50 --> 30:52 [SPEAKER_00]: People are saying you're not wrong.
30:52 --> 30:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
30:54 --> 30:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, it ain't my money.
30:57 --> 31:01 [SPEAKER_01]: If you want to know what I actually think he's going to get, I mean, he could push close to five hundred million.
31:01 --> 31:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't be shocked to see him get a, I don't know, four hundred fifty million dollar deal or something like that.
31:08 --> 31:08 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what?
31:09 --> 31:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Pay it up.
31:11 --> 31:35 [SPEAKER_01]: go get him why not you're like he's yeah he just pointed his finger right at the camera now I mean like Kyle Tucker is gonna be twenty nine I believe as he hits free agency right now he's yeah he's twenty eight so next year will be his age twenty nine season that's a lot longer that's a lot younger than you get a lot of free agents for you were to give me years and close to four fifty yeah
31:36 --> 31:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Great.
31:36 --> 31:41 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no reason Kyle Tucker at thirty six thirty seven still shouldn't be somewhat of a productive off-ence player.
31:42 --> 31:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
31:43 --> 31:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm all in.
31:44 --> 31:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Walks a lot.
31:45 --> 31:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't strike out.
31:47 --> 31:48 [SPEAKER_01]: You need a right field there.
31:49 --> 31:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I know Victor Robles is there, guys.
31:51 --> 31:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I know Dom's been good, but you know what, you will.
31:53 --> 31:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Find roles for those guys.
31:55 --> 31:57 [SPEAKER_01]: One Kyle Daniel Tucker ends up on this team.
31:58 --> 32:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll say he looks really good on a, on a, um, God, a billboard next to Cal Raleigh.
32:05 --> 32:07 [SPEAKER_00]: He would look really, really good.
32:08 --> 32:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, now think about this line up dog.
32:10 --> 32:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, uh, Randy K. Talk, Cal, Julio,
32:19 --> 32:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to play the game and just pretend they actually somehow sign-tucker bring back Nailer and bring back Geno just for the fun of this because it's it's an exercise.
32:29 --> 32:38 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, Randy K-Talk, Cal, Julio, I'll say Nailer than Geno just to split up the righty lefty.
32:38 --> 32:39 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's your top six.
32:39 --> 32:42 [SPEAKER_01]: You could have Polo seven D-Hing.
32:43 --> 32:48 [SPEAKER_01]: And then you would have coal hitting ninth playing second base and what's the one position I'm forgetting?
32:49 --> 32:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Short stop.
32:50 --> 32:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, right.
32:51 --> 32:52 [SPEAKER_01]: And then and then J.P.
32:53 --> 32:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And by the end of the year next year, maybe it's called Emerson.
32:57 --> 32:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm down.
32:57 --> 32:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Back to back world series, champs line up.
32:59 --> 32:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm down.
32:59 --> 32:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
32:59 --> 33:00 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
33:05 --> 33:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you want to give people one little reminder about something we're doing tomorrow before the next mail that question?
33:09 --> 33:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes, yes.
33:10 --> 33:26 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're going to the game tomorrow, guys, the Friday game of the Ray's Mariner series, each year a weekend, you need something to do before the game, loud and are going to be out in front of the hall at Oxidental, doing some fan interviews and giving away some fun prizes.
33:26 --> 33:28 [SPEAKER_00]: We have some trivia questions we want to guys to answer.
33:28 --> 33:30 [SPEAKER_00]: If you want to come hang out with us a little bit,
33:30 --> 33:57 [SPEAKER_00]: before the game tomorrow it'll be starting roughly at six o'clock and we'll go up to about first pitch thirty to forty minutes will be out there in front of the hall on oxa dental what prices to give away come with your trivia hats come say hi when some fun things guys it's gonna be a lot of fun it's gonna be such a festive atmosphere at the ballpark this weekend loud and our both looking really looking forward to a lot so we'll be flagging people down out there on oxa dental but if you want to come find us yourself we're not gonna say no to that
33:58 --> 34:01 [SPEAKER_00]: So six o'clock guys out in front of the hall and oxtend, we'll see you there.
34:01 --> 34:03 [SPEAKER_01]: We should have a sign up of our own, though.
34:04 --> 34:05 [SPEAKER_00]: You will be able to see us, trust me.
34:06 --> 34:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
34:06 --> 34:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we'll have a banner up again.
34:08 --> 34:10 [SPEAKER_01]: You walk by the hall and oxtend, and all you'll see us.
34:11 --> 34:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I know I mentioned it at the start of the show, but I just wanted to give people one more reminder.
34:14 --> 34:14 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.
34:15 --> 34:21 [SPEAKER_00]: We are going to be very hard to miss if you're walking down oxtend, tomorrow or today, actually.
34:21 --> 34:22 [SPEAKER_00]: So just note that.
34:23 --> 34:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Next question comes from Isaac on Patreon and Isaac's question is, looking to the offseason that the Mariners extend Naylor and Gino, but traded Castillo for an underwilling package, and that's all they did, how would you feel about the offseason?
34:39 --> 34:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd say it depends on what they do to end this year.
34:42 --> 34:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Do they go on a pretty decent playoff run?
34:45 --> 34:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Do they get to the ALCS?
34:48 --> 34:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And then that's their offseason?
34:52 --> 34:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I would say, I would say it's a solid offseason because you're bringing back a team that was ALCS bound.
34:59 --> 35:03 [SPEAKER_01]: But if they miss the playoffs and do that, I'd say they probably need a little more.
35:04 --> 35:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I would hope one way or another.
35:05 --> 35:06 [SPEAKER_01]: They upgrade that bullpen.
35:06 --> 35:07 [SPEAKER_01]: That's off season.
35:07 --> 35:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Or they lose losing the wild card series in the bullpen.
35:10 --> 35:12 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like a clear issue and that's all they did.
35:13 --> 35:15 [SPEAKER_00]: You would know there's something missing.
35:15 --> 35:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Now if Geno and Naylor left, you would say, okay, yeah, also almost a third of our lineup is missing.
35:22 --> 35:23 [SPEAKER_00]: You need to sign those guys.
35:25 --> 35:25 [SPEAKER_00]: But
35:27 --> 35:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, if they make the CS, then I think it's clearly your good enough, right?
35:31 --> 35:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Unless it's just some total fluke that everyone can see, you're clearly good enough at that point, and this is whatever one wanted.
35:37 --> 35:40 [SPEAKER_00]: So now you need to just keep the team together and try it again.
35:40 --> 35:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I think people would be fine with it.
35:43 --> 35:44 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I'd say.
35:44 --> 35:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I think they'd be fine.
35:45 --> 35:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think you might get some critical reactions to it, but I think for the most part we will be fine, mostly because their expectations were set incredibly low the off season before.
35:56 --> 35:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, they didn't have a good off season.
35:57 --> 35:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought they did.
35:58 --> 36:00 [SPEAKER_00]: No, they did not.
36:00 --> 36:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I must have been asleep for that.
36:02 --> 36:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.
36:03 --> 36:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't think I did.
36:05 --> 36:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Do we ever mention that on here?
36:07 --> 36:07 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
36:08 --> 36:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I think so.
36:08 --> 36:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Unless it was one of your post-show naps.
36:11 --> 36:12 [SPEAKER_00]: And you missed it.
36:13 --> 36:16 [SPEAKER_01]: No, we mentioned it on here very, very many times.
36:17 --> 36:18 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I think it'd be fine.
36:19 --> 36:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the bullpen's got to be addressed in the offseason.
36:21 --> 36:24 [SPEAKER_01]: And look, what could the Mariners do until then?
36:25 --> 36:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Is there a chance that could bring up a couple minor league arms in the final couple months?
36:28 --> 36:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's possible.
36:30 --> 36:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't bank on it, but if you want to look to some names, I guess the one that would stick out the most is probably Charlie Bylinson, who's down in AA, who was drafted in the fifth round last year out of Duke, and he's been pretty good.
36:42 --> 36:50 [SPEAKER_01]: So maybe him, maybe a couple of those other AA arms like Jason Ruffcorn, if you need another name, or oh, there's one other.
36:50 --> 36:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to blank on it.
36:52 --> 36:55 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, like guys like that, I don't know what.
36:55 --> 36:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why I'm blanking on the other name.
36:58 --> 36:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Hang on, hang on.
36:59 --> 37:07 [SPEAKER_01]: There's one other name besides from Bylinson and Roughcorn who has a chance to essentially be
37:08 --> 37:08 [SPEAKER_00]: product.
37:08 --> 37:17 [SPEAKER_00]: As far as we know from prospect rankings and evaluations though, there's not immediate bullpen help just sitting waiting in the farm system right now.
37:18 --> 37:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Someone that you go into next year and you're like, all right, well, we have guys that we can stock this farm system with the Mariners.
37:24 --> 37:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure have a much better idea than allowing I sitting here and blabbering into our microphones, but
37:30 --> 37:33 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not, you know, Connor Cratton would have been the guy.
37:34 --> 37:35 [SPEAKER_00]: So, Hunter Cratton was older.
37:35 --> 37:37 [SPEAKER_00]: He closed in college.
37:37 --> 37:40 [SPEAKER_00]: The stuff was plus in a one-ending spurt.
37:41 --> 37:44 [SPEAKER_00]: And you would think, okay, he just needs to throw some minor beginnings.
37:44 --> 37:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And then you could throw him in the open.
37:46 --> 37:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, now he's gone.
37:47 --> 37:47 [SPEAKER_00]: He's in Arizona.
37:47 --> 37:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Brandon Garcia was the other guy.
37:49 --> 37:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Now he's in Arizona.
37:51 --> 37:55 [SPEAKER_00]: So, once you trade those guys away, it kind of just cuts out from your depth.
37:56 --> 37:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Jimmy Kingsbury, that's that's who I was thinking of.
37:58 --> 38:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I was just saying somebody's been in the system for a bit and has had some decent success, but yeah, violence in Kingsbury, Rough Corn, I guess those would be the three I'd look at, but I don't know if that's really going to happen or not.
38:07 --> 38:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just trying to pick potential options of guys that could yank up.
38:11 --> 38:14 [SPEAKER_01]: We had a couple people ask about Troy Taylor too and what's going on with him.
38:14 --> 38:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess I'll just address it here for
38:17 --> 38:18 [SPEAKER_01]: a minute very quickly.
38:19 --> 38:20 [SPEAKER_01]: He's really had a tough go with this year.
38:20 --> 38:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Like even down in AAA, the issue with him is he's just given up so many walks.
38:26 --> 38:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how much that lat injury and spring training has had an effect on his season.
38:30 --> 38:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, but I don't think you're going to see Troy Taylor back this year.
38:34 --> 38:37 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's because he's got some stuff to clean up.
38:37 --> 38:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope he figures it out for next year.
38:38 --> 38:41 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no reason that next year he couldn't figure it out and be back.
38:41 --> 38:43 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it's been a struggle.
38:44 --> 38:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Next question here comes from Matt and Matt's question is, will John stand speak in front of the fans on August ninth?
38:52 --> 38:56 [SPEAKER_00]: That is Saturday, by the way, when each rose numbers getting retired.
39:02 --> 39:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh boy, how do we want to go about this one?
39:07 --> 39:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, yes or no, will he?
39:13 --> 39:17 [SPEAKER_01]: The fact I'm not giving an immediate answer shows where we're at on this.
39:18 --> 39:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I have an answer to this question.
39:19 --> 39:21 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
39:21 --> 39:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's throw it out there.
39:22 --> 39:23 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you think?
39:24 --> 39:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll make my prediction here.
39:26 --> 39:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to think based off of the the sediment.
39:32 --> 39:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a good way to put it.
39:34 --> 39:37 [SPEAKER_00]: The vibe of how the past year plus has gone.
39:39 --> 39:41 [SPEAKER_00]: That I don't think he will.
39:42 --> 39:45 [SPEAKER_00]: He'll be out there on the field, maybe seated in a chair.
39:47 --> 39:49 [SPEAKER_00]: But no, I don't think so.
39:49 --> 39:51 [SPEAKER_01]: So let's provide context here.
39:51 --> 39:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Usually he speaks at these things.
39:54 --> 39:56 [SPEAKER_01]: He spoke at Felix's ceremony a couple years ago.
39:57 --> 40:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Whenever the last one was, I believe he also spoke, I know he spoke at Felix's.
40:02 --> 40:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Usually he talks at these things and gives a speech, which is why this is very, very interesting.
40:12 --> 40:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I will say this for people.
40:14 --> 40:41 [SPEAKER_01]: If he doesn't speak and you are a fan out there that maybe looking for some level of validation, if he doesn't talk at this ceremony, that kind of signals that the outcry from all these fans clearly has been received and people's voices have been loud enough because if he doesn't speak at this, that means the Mariners don't want to trot them out there in front of fifty thousand fans with the potential of like
40:42 --> 40:45 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, a lot of boobers raining down.
40:45 --> 40:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, also say the vibe I think has changed a little bit.
40:49 --> 40:51 [SPEAKER_00]: The deadline definitely helps.
40:52 --> 40:53 [SPEAKER_01]: But that's a gerian Justin thing.
40:53 --> 40:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, the vibe.
40:54 --> 41:00 [SPEAKER_00]: It is a gerian Justin thing, but they do represent the entire organization of that, right?
41:00 --> 41:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Even if it doesn't change everything that people were pissed about, it still is real that Gino is a mariner and a Josh Nailer is a mariner.
41:07 --> 41:09 [SPEAKER_00]: That part doesn't change.
41:10 --> 41:18 [SPEAKER_00]: It also helps that Kevin Martinez is now a president of the team and not just the role he the vice president role he was in before.
41:18 --> 41:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's the craziest thing in the world that one of the presidents of the team steps up and speaks when each one each or gets his stuff retired.
41:27 --> 41:34 [SPEAKER_00]: That's who I think if they were going to make a speech and Kevin Martinez is a Mariners life her has been around this or forever.
41:36 --> 41:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Goes up there and talks instead.
41:37 --> 41:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's the craziest idea in the world.
41:40 --> 41:41 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, so that may happen.
41:42 --> 41:44 [SPEAKER_01]: But again, that's not what used to happen.
41:44 --> 41:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying, I'm not even saying it's wrong.
41:47 --> 41:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Kevin's given some pretty good speeches.
41:50 --> 41:52 [SPEAKER_01]: He's a pretty good public speaker when he's talked publicly.
41:54 --> 41:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, that's possible.
41:55 --> 42:03 [SPEAKER_01]: But if you're a fan watching this thing on Saturday and you see Kevin go speak, that probably means unless they both talk, if only Kevin was possible.
42:04 --> 42:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that's possible.
42:05 --> 42:08 [SPEAKER_01]: They could both give a speech, but if it's only Kevin Martinez, it gives one.
42:09 --> 42:12 [SPEAKER_01]: That means that's the stanton replacement.
42:12 --> 42:19 [SPEAKER_01]: That means that again if if you happen to be a fan looking for validation that means the mayor doesn't want to try them out there in front of fifty thousand fans.
42:20 --> 42:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I will say if John Stanton speaks on Saturday he is going to get booed.
42:26 --> 42:28 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's not even a hot day.
42:28 --> 42:29 [SPEAKER_00]: He is he is going to get booed.
42:31 --> 42:52 [SPEAKER_01]: like like you think it's going to be fifty thousand just rain and down or do you think it'll be like scattered or I feel like I feel like from where it's at now like there might have been a few scattered a couple years ago when he spoke if he likes this thing but clearly it like you know it didn't like make that many waves it but like this time again a lot has been fixed for trade deadline helped I'm not saying it didn't
42:53 --> 42:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like this time, if he goes out there, there is a chance it could kind of rain down.
42:57 --> 43:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I think sixty to seventy percent throttle instead of a hundred.
43:02 --> 43:06 [SPEAKER_00]: If they were out of a playoff spot and didn't do anything at the deadline, then it would be a hundred.
43:06 --> 43:09 [SPEAKER_00]: But they're well into a playoff spot, a game and out of out of the division.
43:10 --> 43:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Gino's back on the team.
43:12 --> 43:14 [SPEAKER_00]: That brings it down about forty percent.
43:15 --> 43:16 [SPEAKER_01]: That's probably fair.
43:17 --> 43:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess there will still be some.
43:19 --> 43:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess we'll see.
43:20 --> 43:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we will see.
43:21 --> 43:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm fascinated.
43:23 --> 43:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I am, too, because again, like, is it a real storyline that most people are going to talk about?
43:29 --> 43:31 [SPEAKER_01]: No, but because we got the mailbag question here.
43:31 --> 43:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I mean, either either he talks and we'll see what the reaction is.
43:38 --> 43:47 [SPEAKER_01]: And like you said, I think there's a pretty decent chance people are going to, you know, let themselves be heard if he goes out there on Saturday or he doesn't speak.
43:48 --> 43:51 [SPEAKER_01]: and then maybe fans sit there and say themselves, well, I guess people heard us.
43:54 --> 44:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I would say one way or another, if you were a fan of that branch and looking to that narrative, you're probably going to get your validation one way or another.
44:08 --> 44:09 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll see.
44:09 --> 44:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
44:10 --> 44:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it is coming.
44:12 --> 44:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's coming.
44:14 --> 44:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll be interested.
44:15 --> 44:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Next Mailbag question comes from Graham all the way from Australia.
44:18 --> 44:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you Graham for for the Patreon Mailbag question.
44:22 --> 44:23 [SPEAKER_00]: He also notes loud.
44:23 --> 44:26 [SPEAKER_00]: He watched us on Washington Sports Rapp this past Tuesday.
44:26 --> 44:27 [SPEAKER_00]: So shout out to Graham.
44:28 --> 44:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you Graham.
44:29 --> 44:38 [SPEAKER_00]: His question is with Kanzo and playing so well lately, how how is the Mariners lineup going to shake out when both Rayleigh and Victor Robless come back?
44:40 --> 44:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess Graham will have to respond to us, but I guess he got watching in sports wrap all the way in Australia.
44:46 --> 44:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess if he was watching online, he could do that.
44:48 --> 44:49 [SPEAKER_01]: So it makes sense.
44:49 --> 44:51 [SPEAKER_01]: He might have watched the recording of it.
44:52 --> 44:52 [SPEAKER_01]: That could be.
44:53 --> 44:53 [SPEAKER_01]: That would make sense.
44:54 --> 44:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, shout out to Graham either way.
44:55 --> 44:56 [SPEAKER_01]: All the way from Australia.
44:57 --> 44:57 [SPEAKER_01]: That's sick.
44:57 --> 45:00 [SPEAKER_01]: And we met Graham just a couple weeks ago who was awesome, by the way.
45:00 --> 45:01 [SPEAKER_01]: So shout out to Graham.
45:03 --> 45:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I would say, look, the Mariners have started to get away from some platoon a bit.
45:07 --> 45:19 [SPEAKER_01]: But the way Kanzones hit against Rites, when Robles comes back, I don't know how in the world you could possibly take Dom Kanzone out of the lineup on a regular basis.
45:20 --> 45:28 [SPEAKER_01]: If you were just going to make him a bench bat, I don't know how anybody could sign up for that, whether you're on the coaching staff in the front office and like everything you've watched from Dom.
45:29 --> 45:33 [SPEAKER_01]: says he's got to be in there more regularly, even what he's done against lefties.
45:34 --> 45:42 [SPEAKER_01]: What he's done against lefties hasn't been phenomenal, but his actual just batting average against lefties is in the two sixties right now.
45:42 --> 45:46 [SPEAKER_01]: So he's not hitting with authority against Southpods, but he is getting more hits.
45:46 --> 45:49 [SPEAKER_01]: And then against righties, he's OPS and just about nine hundred.
45:50 --> 45:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I would think when Robles comes back,
45:52 --> 45:56 [SPEAKER_01]: they would find a way to platoon those guys and on the days, Dom starts against righties.
45:56 --> 45:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you bring Robles off the bench late to run and play defense.
46:00 --> 46:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying it's the right decision, but I think that they're going to play Robles more when he comes back.
46:06 --> 46:12 [SPEAKER_00]: That's just all the language, all the wording they've been using when they talk about Victor Robles and how much they're looking forward to having him back.
46:13 --> 46:17 [SPEAKER_00]: It just screams we want Vic back in the lead off spot.
46:17 --> 46:18 [SPEAKER_00]: That sort of tells me.
46:19 --> 46:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, no offense.
46:20 --> 46:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I think he has to earn that.
46:21 --> 46:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Why are you taking Randy out of the lead off spot?
46:23 --> 46:25 [SPEAKER_01]: The day Victor Robles is back.
46:25 --> 46:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying it's right.
46:27 --> 46:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying what they're telling us.
46:29 --> 46:30 [SPEAKER_00]: What would I do?
46:30 --> 46:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I would, I would do what you do.
46:31 --> 46:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I would put to them.
46:32 --> 46:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And I would hit, I would hit Vic.
46:35 --> 46:37 [SPEAKER_00]: He, well, he'd private hit seventh.
46:37 --> 46:38 [SPEAKER_00]: But that's a good thing.
46:39 --> 46:42 [SPEAKER_00]: It's perfectly fine to have a lineup of that length.
46:42 --> 46:48 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you get Vic back to what he was last year, hitting in your seven spot, I mean, oh my God.
46:49 --> 46:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's great.
46:49 --> 46:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
46:51 --> 46:53 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just, I do feel like they're gonna play Robless a little bit more.
46:54 --> 46:58 [SPEAKER_00]: It does definitely help Victor Robless's case that they already paid him.
46:59 --> 47:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but it's so small.
47:02 --> 47:05 [SPEAKER_01]: You cut Leo to Varus for basically the same money.
47:06 --> 47:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Still?
47:08 --> 47:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I would just like, look, Victor Robless is a fan favorite for every good reason and he's got so much energy and everybody's rooting for him to thrive.
47:17 --> 47:22 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're just going off the numbers, though, to go Robla's versus canzone.
47:22 --> 47:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, one, Victor Robla's and I know it was only forty four bats.
47:27 --> 47:29 [SPEAKER_01]: He wasn't really hitting before he went on the I.L.
47:29 --> 47:30 [SPEAKER_01]: and a lot can change.
47:30 --> 47:31 [SPEAKER_01]: It's such a small sample.
47:32 --> 47:37 [SPEAKER_01]: But Victor Robla's had his great year last year and seventy seven games with the Mariners.
47:39 --> 47:44 [SPEAKER_01]: So like he didn't have that much more of a stretch of success than can zones having at the plate right now.
47:45 --> 47:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm having a hard time understanding why Robles would get such favoritism and can zone would just be relegated when Robles comes back.
47:53 --> 47:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I think you have to work both these guys in.
47:56 --> 47:57 [SPEAKER_00]: They're all going to be on the roster.
47:57 --> 47:58 [SPEAKER_00]: No one's getting cut though.
47:58 --> 48:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think anyone's getting sent down.
48:00 --> 48:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Especially when the rosters expand in September, you'll have an extra bench spot.
48:04 --> 48:06 [SPEAKER_00]: So which I think the bench will be.
48:06 --> 48:08 [SPEAKER_00]: So let's say Robless is starting on this day.
48:09 --> 48:14 [SPEAKER_00]: The bench would be canned zone for switching with Robless's spot.
48:15 --> 48:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Rayleigh is your backup out filter and center filter most importantly.
48:20 --> 48:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I think Ben is up and September again.
48:22 --> 48:24 [SPEAKER_00]: He'll be on the bench as your backup in fielder.
48:24 --> 48:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I think Master was going to be your backup.
48:27 --> 48:28 [SPEAKER_00]: He or backup.
48:28 --> 48:30 [SPEAKER_00]: He's going to be your utility guy and then Garver is going to be on the bench as well.
48:30 --> 48:31 [SPEAKER_00]: That's five.
48:31 --> 48:36 [SPEAKER_00]: You have four bench spots now with a twenty six man roster when you get twenty eight.
48:36 --> 48:37 [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to go to five.
48:38 --> 48:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Doesn't it go back to twenty six in the playoffs though?
48:40 --> 48:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
48:41 --> 48:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Not guaranteed anyone a playoff roster spot.
48:45 --> 48:46 [SPEAKER_00]: So you would assume.
48:46 --> 48:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Jesse Winkard didn't get a playoff roster spot.
48:50 --> 48:54 [SPEAKER_01]: it would probably if your logic is right and that's what they do.
48:55 --> 49:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I would guess Williamson's probably the one that is off the roster when the playoffs come around and then if somebody were to get injured he's the first guy on.
49:04 --> 49:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I can't guarantee that though.
49:07 --> 49:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Can't because then you'd have two left handed hitting out filters on your bench instead.
49:11 --> 49:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I know but you when you need to hit in the playoffs I know you need a lot of things in the playoffs but you already have guys on your team that can run
49:20 --> 49:24 [SPEAKER_01]: to leave Canzone or Rayleigh off that playoff roster would look like complete now practice.
49:26 --> 49:27 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it would, yeah.
49:27 --> 49:32 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think you would have to be Ben and you got to let Bastro just be the utility guy in that scenario.
49:32 --> 49:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Also, thank you for bringing this topic up.
49:34 --> 49:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I forgot to mention something at the top of this episode.
49:37 --> 49:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if people noticed what the lineup looked at the end of the day today on Thursday.
49:42 --> 49:45 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners emptying their bench is not a good thing when your lineup is this good.
49:45 --> 49:50 [SPEAKER_00]: You can see how much worse the lineup is when the Mariners empty their bench into their lineup.
49:51 --> 49:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't do it again, please.
49:53 --> 49:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Dude.
49:55 --> 49:59 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't have, we don't have to do this for the name of versatility in matchups.
49:59 --> 50:01 [SPEAKER_00]: You have good players in your lineup now.
50:02 --> 50:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Screw the matchups.
50:03 --> 50:04 [SPEAKER_00]: You have your matchups.
50:04 --> 50:06 [SPEAKER_00]: You have good player in the box.
50:06 --> 50:06 [SPEAKER_00]: That's the point.
50:08 --> 50:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Dylan Moore is at a, two, sixty-one OPS since May, twenty-eight.
50:15 --> 50:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you just, you feel for the guy at this point, right?
50:19 --> 50:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I mean, it's at a point where it's just like, I mean, it's untenable.
50:23 --> 50:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
50:23 --> 50:24 [SPEAKER_01]: He's hitting.
50:24 --> 50:24 [SPEAKER_01]: He's hitting.
50:24 --> 50:28 [SPEAKER_01]: We don't really use that in average on here, but he's hitting oath thirty four in that stretch.
50:31 --> 50:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Can't can't do it.
50:32 --> 50:35 [SPEAKER_00]: So there's things about having a good bench.
50:36 --> 50:39 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners bench should be used for anything besides defense at this point.
50:40 --> 50:49 [SPEAKER_00]: That's that was a big takeaway from today because it was it was tough seeing who's hitting for who and how much worse your lineup gets speaking of demon loud.
50:49 --> 50:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad you brought him up because Eric is asking about Demo if and when Dylan more gets released.
50:56 --> 51:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think he deserves a send off if so what would be fitting in your opinion?
51:02 --> 51:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Send off.
51:02 --> 51:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know about that.
51:04 --> 51:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I think
51:06 --> 51:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Because thing about it, Mitch Hanagrad didn't really get some send off and he had more impact on the org long term than Dylan Moore did.
51:12 --> 51:15 [SPEAKER_01]: So I know Demos right now the longest tenured mariner.
51:16 --> 51:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the mariner's would make him a nice tribute video and you know, they'd make a couple social media posts for him.
51:24 --> 51:26 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think that would probably be the extent of it.
51:26 --> 51:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's going to get a thank you post on Instagram.
51:30 --> 51:35 [SPEAKER_01]: They might, they might even make like a little video tribute for him like I did for Hanager, but that's probably the extent.
51:36 --> 51:38 [SPEAKER_01]: They're not retiring his number.
51:38 --> 51:39 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, they won't be doing that.
51:40 --> 51:48 [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think he's doing the whole, oh, nine griffy thing where he gets put on everybody's shoulders and gets paradeer on the field.
51:48 --> 51:48 [SPEAKER_01]: You remember that?
51:49 --> 51:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
51:50 --> 51:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that's happening.
51:52 --> 51:52 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
51:52 --> 51:52 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
51:52 --> 51:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, thanks a lot.
51:53 --> 51:58 [SPEAKER_00]: And then Griffey decided to come back the next year and, well, left the team in the middle of the night.
52:01 --> 52:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's get to our next mailback question, Lyle.
52:03 --> 52:05 [SPEAKER_00]: This comes from Zander.
52:06 --> 52:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Long term with price.
52:08 --> 52:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Fixing long term price coming back assuming it's healthy.
52:12 --> 52:18 [SPEAKER_00]: We think Logan will be Logan Evans will be out of the bullpen and a brushed out conversion project.
52:18 --> 52:21 [SPEAKER_00]: So you have Miller in the rotation and Logan Evans in the bullpen.
52:21 --> 52:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you believe that?
52:24 --> 52:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Long term now.
52:26 --> 52:27 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're talking about for the playoffs.
52:27 --> 52:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's possible.
52:29 --> 52:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think
52:30 --> 52:33 [SPEAKER_01]: So you can't just turn him into a reliever.
52:33 --> 52:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Like snap your fingers and say, well, now you're just going to go pitch eye of a bullpen.
52:37 --> 52:38 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not that easy.
52:38 --> 52:45 [SPEAKER_01]: If you remember with Matt Brash when the Mariners actually turned him into a reliever, he had to go down to Tacoma for about half the season.
52:46 --> 52:48 [SPEAKER_01]: He didn't get back up as a full reliever until
52:49 --> 52:52 [SPEAKER_01]: roughly after the All Star Break, second half the year, and then he was really good.
52:53 --> 53:02 [SPEAKER_01]: But if you're going to put Logan Evans in the bullpen for the postseason, which is totally fine, and I'd sign all the way up for that, it's the idea that he's going to throw in a little bit of bulk just the way Bryce Miller would.
53:03 --> 53:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Where if you put Logan in, he's going to give you two three innings out of relief, and that's how you use them.
53:11 --> 53:14 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's going to help Logan to when he's coming up around his innings limit.
53:15 --> 53:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I can see it.
53:16 --> 53:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we're chatting with Logan in the dugout.
53:18 --> 53:25 [SPEAKER_00]: He said he's down literally down to do whatever to stay on the big league roster and help contribute to this team one in games, which is great.
53:25 --> 53:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's everything you want to hear.
53:27 --> 53:28 [SPEAKER_00]: He understands it.
53:28 --> 53:32 [SPEAKER_00]: He knows what it's going to take to to do it and when games and contribute and that's
53:33 --> 53:34 [SPEAKER_00]: That's fantastic.
53:34 --> 53:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And Ross rise.
53:34 --> 53:40 [SPEAKER_00]: It makes the most sense of Bryce Miller is doing what he's doing and he's averaging ninety six to ninety seven on his fast won.
53:40 --> 53:41 [SPEAKER_00]: He's looking like he was last year.
53:41 --> 53:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's getting his rotation spot back.
53:43 --> 53:48 [SPEAKER_00]: So Logan for this year is going to find a way to stay on the roster.
53:48 --> 53:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I will note though, they did already try to make Logan Evans a reliever last year.
53:53 --> 53:57 [SPEAKER_01]: That was more like the typical actually convert to a reliever for a season.
53:58 --> 54:01 [SPEAKER_01]: This is more of the idea is of he throwing a little bit of bulk.
54:01 --> 54:02 [SPEAKER_01]: It like his actual like
54:03 --> 54:09 [SPEAKER_01]: His actual role doesn't change all that much in the sense of he doesn't have to go max out for twenty pitches.
54:09 --> 54:12 [SPEAKER_01]: It's it's still like throw like a starter for a couple innings.
54:13 --> 54:18 [SPEAKER_00]: It's fine, but they did also want to see his stuff played up and they didn't see it play up enough.
54:18 --> 54:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I guess ultimately we'll see.
54:20 --> 54:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Because it is the Mariners decision at this point who they're going to want in the bullpen who they're not.
54:25 --> 54:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I will say I would like him to be in the bullpen.
54:27 --> 54:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it would work out for how they need to shovel the roster, especially given the pulpins also at the back end or the front end.
54:35 --> 54:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Not great.
54:37 --> 54:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, again.
54:39 --> 54:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I think you're fixating on the typical reliever role.
54:43 --> 54:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, if you just tell him, go do what you always do just in a little bit less of a sample where it's two to three innings.
54:49 --> 54:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that much has to change in terms of how he goes about his business.
54:53 --> 54:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Not nothing changes, but
54:55 --> 54:59 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not just that easy, though, to just snap your fingers and do that.
55:00 --> 55:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Because instead of having all the time before the game to get ready, you don't really know when you're going in and we're talking postseason here.
55:07 --> 55:09 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't know when you're going in.
55:09 --> 55:13 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, all right, we need you in three minutes.
55:14 --> 55:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, it is a totally different thing.
55:16 --> 55:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I will say.
55:17 --> 55:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I would like him in there.
55:18 --> 55:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he might get more time than that.
55:20 --> 55:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, if he's going to throw in bulk, I don't think it's getting out of your season.
55:23 --> 55:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, they might have somebody finish an inning and then you get hot and then you get loose and then I mean, look, it's a lot less time than you get as a starter, but I'm just saying like, I don't think he's coming in in a pivot role.
55:34 --> 55:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's put it like that.
55:35 --> 55:44 [SPEAKER_00]: And we'd see how they we would also, you know, I guess we would just see how he adjust to that because we haven't seen him in that role in a high level environment like that.
55:45 --> 55:56 [SPEAKER_01]: But if you're somebody out there that's worried about what the Mariners bullpen could look like long-term and you're worried about it for the postseason, again, one of these Mariners starters will be in the bullpen because you can't start all of them in the postseason.
55:57 --> 56:08 [SPEAKER_01]: So if all of a sudden your bullpen becomes monios, brash, spire, Ferguson, Bazardo, you use Bryce and Logan out of a bullpen and then pick one more.
56:09 --> 56:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's, I mean, it's, it's between Vargas like Amina and CoR.
56:12 --> 56:14 [SPEAKER_01]: If it was up to me, it'd probably pick CoR.
56:15 --> 56:16 [SPEAKER_01]: But you pick one of those guys.
56:16 --> 56:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
56:17 --> 56:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I, I feel a little better about what the bullpen could be.
56:21 --> 56:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm totally with you.
56:22 --> 56:23 [SPEAKER_00]: So we'll see.
56:24 --> 56:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I can see it to dance with a question.
56:28 --> 56:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I can see Logan going in the bullpen.
56:30 --> 56:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't quite think it's Matt Brash because Logan Evans is going to be starting again next year and the bullpen will be short left at the big league level.
56:38 --> 56:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Final question, Lyle.
56:39 --> 56:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Right in the same vein.
56:41 --> 56:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Rusty wants to know what does the rotation look like if the Mariners make the playoffs?
56:48 --> 56:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I know, part of me almost wonders that they go with three, and they, and they looked like two of these starters to put in the bullpen.
56:55 --> 56:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
56:55 --> 56:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know exactly what they do here.
56:57 --> 57:01 [SPEAKER_01]: If they go with four, because what do they do in twenty two?
57:01 --> 57:02 [SPEAKER_01]: They only use three, right?
57:02 --> 57:03 [SPEAKER_01]: It was Louise Kirby.
57:04 --> 57:06 [SPEAKER_00]: And let it wait five total games.
57:07 --> 57:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, but then you know what it's easy to forget.
57:09 --> 57:16 [SPEAKER_01]: They actually used Robbie Ray in that Blue J's game in game two when they came all the way back, but that Robbie Ray starting to run out did not go well.
57:17 --> 57:26 [SPEAKER_01]: So I guess I guess they did use four and if that's going to be your strategy, then probably makes it fairly simple that Bryce would likely be the guy that you could put in the bullpen.
57:27 --> 57:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Unless he absolutely wows in his final month back and then he makes a decision harder, but likely Bryce would go to the bullpen and if you get to perfectly slot the rotation for however you want it to be.
57:39 --> 57:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess we go Logan Gilbert Brian Wu.
57:45 --> 57:47 [SPEAKER_01]: and then toss up, I guess cast the O Kirby, something like that.
57:48 --> 58:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I was actually thinking if it's a seven game series and the third pitcher in the rotation in a seven game series, pitches game seven in the second pitcher game, pitches game six, if I have that rotation, right?
58:00 --> 58:00 [SPEAKER_00]: My math is correct.
58:01 --> 58:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
58:01 --> 58:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Then you would go Kirby Wu Gilbert Castillo, the first three pitch twice Castillo pitches once.
58:09 --> 58:11 [SPEAKER_00]: and then guys who are piggybacks somebody.
58:12 --> 58:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I could see that and then you're you're saying you're setting up Logan and wood a pitch game six and seven.
58:17 --> 58:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
58:18 --> 58:20 [SPEAKER_00]: And you'll be still gets two cracks out of two.
58:21 --> 58:23 [SPEAKER_01]: The only issue there is that you've got to get to games six and seven.
58:23 --> 58:28 [SPEAKER_01]: When you rather just pitch woo and Logan at the start of the rotation and having to get as many starts in as they can.
58:28 --> 58:29 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the balance.
58:30 --> 58:34 [SPEAKER_00]: You could do with the giant stick in twenty fourteen were mad bump pitched.
58:35 --> 58:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Started game one.
58:36 --> 58:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think you.
58:38 --> 58:39 [SPEAKER_00]: You only have to do a complete game.
58:40 --> 58:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Game four through a complete game and then game seven through seven innings out of the bullpen.
58:45 --> 58:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Crazy.
58:47 --> 58:48 [SPEAKER_00]: One of one of the goats.
58:48 --> 58:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd probably just throw.
58:51 --> 59:14 [SPEAKER_01]: woo and Logan early because you got a set of tone number one and I'm not saying Kirby and Cassio don't do that but because woo and Logan have been your two best arms I would just start them games one and two circle back to him as soon as you can and then maybe you're already in a good position yeah that's a fair point there's a lot of ways you can slot this I think and you're also playing out the scenario that the Mariners pick how they want to slot the rotation
59:15 --> 59:20 [SPEAKER_01]: because there could be a scenario where if they're fighting to just simply get in, they're not going to have a chance to re-flot.
59:20 --> 59:22 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just going to be whoever's due to pitch.
59:23 --> 59:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And game sevens usually everyone's available anyway, except for the previous day's starter.
59:28 --> 59:32 [SPEAKER_00]: So if Logan pitched in game five, he'd probably be available to pitch in game seven two.
59:33 --> 59:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
59:33 --> 59:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I even mean if you're looking at the wild card series, for example, and the Mariners have to fight to get into the playoffs period,
59:39 --> 59:53 [SPEAKER_00]: then you're not going to be able to re-slot the rotation it's just going to be hey whoever's turn it is you're going or if they're battling for that fifth game of the division series and you have to advance so everyone's everyone all hands on deck right so then you don't you also don't get to pick
59:54 --> 59:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
59:55 --> 59:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's show them.
59:55 --> 59:56 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll see.
59:56 --> 59:57 [SPEAKER_00]: It's good problem to have.
59:57 --> 59:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Mariners have it.
59:57 --> 59:59 [SPEAKER_00]: We haven't had to talk about this very much ever.
01:00:00 --> 01:00:02 [SPEAKER_01]: No, because since we started the podcast, they haven't been in the playoffs.
01:00:03 --> 01:00:08 [SPEAKER_01]: We thought when we started this pod shortly after twenty twenty two, and we were like, man, what a great time to start.
01:00:08 --> 01:00:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Vibes are in an all-time high.
01:00:10 --> 01:00:12 [SPEAKER_01]: This is as fun as it's ever been to be a Mariners fan.
01:00:12 --> 01:00:15 [SPEAKER_01]: And then the last two first years we've done the pod.
01:00:16 --> 01:00:17 [SPEAKER_01]: No playoffs.
01:00:18 --> 01:00:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks a lot, guys.
01:00:20 --> 01:00:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, there's been like the the
01:00:24 --> 01:00:25 [SPEAKER_01]: There's been better vibes this year.
01:00:26 --> 01:00:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Even for the toughest of the first four months were, there weren't any, you know, fifty-four percent, sir, manager getting fired on social media.
01:00:32 --> 01:00:33 [SPEAKER_01]: There wasn't any of that.
01:00:34 --> 01:00:35 [SPEAKER_01]: It's been better this year so far.
01:00:35 --> 01:00:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Progress?
01:00:36 --> 01:00:37 [SPEAKER_01]: It's better so far.
01:00:39 --> 01:00:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's keep that progress going and how will it make the playoffs?
01:00:42 --> 01:00:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm down.
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01:00:45 --> 01:00:47 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're not, then I got some questions for you.
01:00:48 --> 01:00:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let's have to make the playoffs.
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