Lyle and TJ recap the Orioles series, and, while having a few concerns, reassure fans there is no reason to worry about losing one series (5:22). The then welcome a VERY special guest: Frank Fleming of Barstool Sports to preview Mariners-Mets (22:39). The two of them wrap up the show answering mailbag questions, highlighting best Mariners nicknames, peanut butter, and which Mariner should get extended next (39:33).
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00:00 --> 00:03 [SPEAKER_05]: Welcome to episode number two, Eighty-two of the Marine Layer podcast.
00:03 --> 00:07 [SPEAKER_05]: We welcome on a very, very, very special guest.
00:07 --> 00:10 [SPEAKER_05]: You know him as Frank the Tank Fleming.
00:10 --> 00:14 [SPEAKER_05]: Lawn, I have a brief conversation with Frank about the Mariners met series this weekend.
00:15 --> 00:20 [SPEAKER_05]: We'll also recap Mariners, Orioles, and open up the mail bag and answer your guys' best questions.
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01:07 --> 01:08 [SPEAKER_03]: Let's get it rolling.
01:22 --> 01:27 [SPEAKER_05]: And we've welcome you to this episode of the Marine Layer podcast, part of the just baseball podcast network.
01:27 --> 01:37 [SPEAKER_05]: Recording on Thursday afternoon, August, fourteenth, while we have done something in our podcast history that we have been manifesting for years.
01:38 --> 01:39 [SPEAKER_05]: We got Frank.
01:40 --> 01:40 [SPEAKER_03]: I know.
01:40 --> 01:44 [SPEAKER_03]: I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm just going to be transparent.
01:44 --> 01:47 [SPEAKER_03]: I wish I was now so much more fired up for this.
01:47 --> 01:50 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm just going to take everybody a little bit behind the curtain here.
01:50 --> 01:57 [SPEAKER_03]: I was so fired up when we got this to work out to the point where like, I'm not sleeping on Wednesday night.
01:57 --> 02:05 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, I'm like, all systems go on Thursday to do this thing and like, I'm setting my expectations through the roof.
02:05 --> 02:08 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm expecting like full meltdown because the meds are seriously.
02:08 --> 02:10 [SPEAKER_03]: I know he says it a lot, but the meds are awful.
02:10 --> 02:13 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, they are seriously free falling.
02:13 --> 02:17 [SPEAKER_03]: And if you watch any of the dudes content, I mean, the last week it has been
02:18 --> 02:24 [SPEAKER_03]: It honestly may be beyond unhinged, which is like, I mean, he is melting down.
02:24 --> 02:29 [SPEAKER_03]: So I've got my expectation set here that like, that's what it's going to be like.
02:29 --> 02:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Unfortunately, well, it's still fun.
02:32 --> 02:34 [SPEAKER_03]: He did go through a little bit of a
02:35 --> 02:59 [SPEAKER_03]: injury right before hopping on with us earlier in the day where he messed his foot up and had to quickly go to the ER so I didn't ambulance he wasn't an ambulance so I don't you guys will hear it I don't know if he was full like all systems go frank and you can't really blame him obviously because again like he had a tough really hard day but we did still manifest
03:00 --> 03:02 [SPEAKER_03]: getting the man on, and we got the man on.
03:02 --> 03:04 [SPEAKER_03]: And it's not like he had positive things to say about the match.
03:04 --> 03:06 [SPEAKER_03]: Let's be real, like you still hear it.
03:07 --> 03:09 [SPEAKER_03]: It just wasn't full systems go.
03:10 --> 03:16 [SPEAKER_05]: And we got to talk about some some some famous Mets and T players that have played for both the Mets and the Mariners.
03:16 --> 03:18 [SPEAKER_05]: So there I really did enjoy that tidbit.
03:18 --> 03:22 [SPEAKER_05]: So you guys all want to stay tuned for our short conversation with Frank.
03:22 --> 03:23 [SPEAKER_05]: Thank you for that.
03:23 --> 03:24 [SPEAKER_05]: He did make some time for us today.
03:25 --> 03:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I will also say the idea of this conversation was always to be a short one because let's be real.
03:33 --> 03:39 [SPEAKER_03]: Frank is the king of short form content when you watch him for sixty to ninety seconds at a time.
03:40 --> 03:42 [SPEAKER_03]: He's one of the greatest to ever do it.
03:43 --> 03:47 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, his reactions to Met's losses are something you've never seen.
03:47 --> 04:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Part of the reason I probably love him so much, and TJ too, is like, I feel like he's so relatable to, well, especially me, but every Mariners fan, honestly, just sports fans in general who just can't stand their team half the time, where he's just the ultimate, ultimate, hundredth degree fan, to every mad, pissed off sports fan in America.
04:11 --> 04:19 [SPEAKER_03]: So I was so fired up to get him on and like anyway, that's why he's the king of short form contact because in sixty to ninety seconds, that's what you get.
04:19 --> 04:26 [SPEAKER_03]: Now in longer spurts, I think there has to be some regulation on it, which is why we're always going to keep it short to begin with.
04:26 --> 04:30 [SPEAKER_03]: So you'll get a few minutes of it and that was always the whole idea.
04:31 --> 04:37 [SPEAKER_05]: Are you going to match the energy of Frank or trying to make up a little for a little bit of energy after watching this Orioles series?
04:37 --> 04:40 [SPEAKER_05]: Special after watching Demo on Wednesday?
04:42 --> 04:43 [SPEAKER_03]: You want me to try?
04:43 --> 04:45 [SPEAKER_03]: You want me to give it thirty seconds right here?
04:46 --> 04:47 [SPEAKER_03]: Sure.
04:47 --> 04:47 [SPEAKER_05]: Give it a rip.
04:47 --> 04:48 [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
04:48 --> 04:53 [SPEAKER_03]: Again, because we didn't get it in full throttle during the conversation, I will try to do part of it right here.
04:53 --> 04:53 [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
04:54 --> 04:56 [SPEAKER_05]: And actually, two, one.
04:59 --> 05:01 [SPEAKER_03]: Total fucking disaster from the Mariners in this series.
05:01 --> 05:07 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I mean, you go out on the road against the worst pitch-examine, all majorly baseball, and you put up four runs.
05:07 --> 05:09 [SPEAKER_03]: The entire, oh wait, okay, it's six who Leo hit a homework.
05:10 --> 05:15 [SPEAKER_03]: And you put up, you put up three runs in the first two games against, absolutely nobody's.
05:16 --> 05:19 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think the next, I think the next seven series are gonna get absolutely swept.
05:19 --> 05:24 [SPEAKER_03]: They're gonna be out of the play operates, they're gonna be out of the AL West, and they will go on one, sixty-two for the next ten years.
05:28 --> 05:30 [SPEAKER_05]: I do feel like that pretty much summarized the series against the Orioles.
05:30 --> 05:32 [SPEAKER_05]: The fact the Mariners are facing a pitching staff.
05:33 --> 05:41 [SPEAKER_05]: After just fucking kicking the shit out of every team in baseball at home, going on the road against a bad, bad, bad Orioles team.
05:44 --> 05:44 [SPEAKER_05]: and laying an egg.
05:45 --> 05:52 [SPEAKER_05]: And like the Julio Nailer had a, well, it was Josh Nailer and RB I single to start the game on Tuesday.
05:52 --> 05:55 [SPEAKER_05]: Julio has a home run here on Thursday.
05:55 --> 06:00 [SPEAKER_05]: And in terms of impact, I mean, it's pretty much it.
06:00 --> 06:11 [SPEAKER_05]: They managed to scrape together some runs on Wednesday night, late in the game, and still managed to get walked off, because dealing more for some reason was playing in right center field with the ball hit down the right field line.
06:13 --> 06:14 [SPEAKER_05]: That is literally kind of how it's been.
06:15 --> 06:16 [SPEAKER_05]: Some people might feel like frame the tape.
06:17 --> 06:22 [SPEAKER_05]: They've been playing so well that I will excuse one bad series.
06:24 --> 06:25 [SPEAKER_05]: It happens sometimes.
06:25 --> 06:27 [SPEAKER_05]: Marys been playing a bunch of close games.
06:27 --> 06:28 [SPEAKER_05]: They lost a close game on Wednesday.
06:29 --> 06:32 [SPEAKER_05]: It looks like as we're recording here, they're going to lose on Thursday.
06:32 --> 06:33 [SPEAKER_05]: It happens.
06:34 --> 06:38 [SPEAKER_05]: By the way, Orioles, build a fucking roof on your stadium.
06:38 --> 06:40 [SPEAKER_05]: I have a perfect idea for the roof, Lyle.
06:40 --> 06:45 [SPEAKER_05]: They have the, they have the built, the Western metals supply company in way left field.
06:46 --> 06:46 [SPEAKER_05]: That's what.
06:46 --> 06:48 [SPEAKER_03]: That's San Diego, the Western.
06:48 --> 06:49 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, sorry.
06:49 --> 06:49 [SPEAKER_05]: Damn it.
06:49 --> 06:50 [SPEAKER_05]: What's it called?
06:50 --> 06:53 [SPEAKER_05]: Um, the warehouse, whatever the warehouse is called.
06:54 --> 07:17 [SPEAKER_05]: whatever I forget what it's called whatever it's called you could literally put the roof on the rails like the mariners do above that thing when it's not being used and it can cover Utah street and that's it when it is being used it can roll out to cover the whole stadium and then the mariners in orals don't have to sit through a combined four hours of rain delays this series unreal dude seriously unreal I mean
07:19 --> 07:19 [SPEAKER_03]: terrible.
07:19 --> 07:25 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, like Frank the Tank bit aside, I think it's okay that the Mariners are going to lose one series.
07:25 --> 07:26 [SPEAKER_03]: It's not the end of the world.
07:26 --> 07:34 [SPEAKER_03]: Now, if they go out and lose three straight series, if they can't pick it up against the Metz and the Phillies and it's a really bad road trip, then sure.
07:34 --> 07:35 [SPEAKER_03]: We'll be having a different conversation.
07:38 --> 07:38 [SPEAKER_03]: It's weird, man.
07:39 --> 07:42 [SPEAKER_03]: The Orioles, for whatever reason, seem to have these guys number.
07:42 --> 07:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Even though they're not a great team this year, we know they're pitching isn't any good.
07:46 --> 07:51 [SPEAKER_03]: For whatever reason, they just seem to have their number because it got swept at home by the Orioles earlier this year.
07:51 --> 07:54 [SPEAKER_03]: And now here in Baltimore, you lose two or three.
07:56 --> 07:56 [SPEAKER_05]: doesn't make any sense.
07:57 --> 08:02 [SPEAKER_05]: The unfortunate thing about this road trip is that the series get harder and harder.
08:03 --> 08:09 [SPEAKER_05]: Even though the Met's have been bad, the roster is objectively miles better than the Orioles roster.
08:10 --> 08:14 [SPEAKER_05]: And then you go to the Phillies and the Phillies are actually a great baseball team.
08:14 --> 08:23 [SPEAKER_05]: And I think ahead of the Mariners and playoff odds and world series odds and odds when the national league, especially with the Dodgers just in, if we're talking about free fall dog, it's like the Met's and Dodgers.
08:23 --> 08:24 [SPEAKER_05]: It's just like,
08:25 --> 08:25 [SPEAKER_05]: Boom.
08:26 --> 08:37 [SPEAKER_05]: So, that's why, you know, that's why you got to look ahead and you got to be like, all right, not only are you going to be facing cover teams, you're just going to have to play better as this road trip goes along.
08:37 --> 08:52 [SPEAKER_05]: Thankfully though, even though as people are trying to drop parallels to last season, coming off a great home stand at home in which at the end of last year, down the stretch of last year and you sweat the meds at home and then you go on the road trip from Helen Scott's service gets fired and they're like, oh, look how the dates line up.
08:53 --> 08:55 [SPEAKER_05]: This team is so much better than that team.
08:56 --> 08:57 [SPEAKER_05]: It is, it's not even, I'm not even joking.
08:57 --> 08:59 [SPEAKER_05]: Like, so much better.
08:59 --> 09:01 [SPEAKER_05]: There is no reason for this Mariners team to do that.
09:01 --> 09:02 [SPEAKER_05]: And I don't think they're going to do that.
09:03 --> 09:06 [SPEAKER_05]: Because guess what, it sounds like the Mets are literally just going to fuck it up for him this weekend.
09:07 --> 09:14 [SPEAKER_05]: The Mets are going to be so bad that the Mariners are going to go in there and hopefully win a series.
09:15 --> 09:18 [SPEAKER_05]: Frank was not optimistic when it came to how the series is going to play out.
09:18 --> 09:20 [SPEAKER_03]: No, he was not optimistic one bit.
09:20 --> 09:22 [SPEAKER_03]: In fact, he,
09:23 --> 09:24 [SPEAKER_03]: I will spoil the interview.
09:24 --> 09:29 [SPEAKER_03]: He says some endearing things about the Mariners for this weekend and beyond.
09:29 --> 09:30 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
09:30 --> 09:32 [SPEAKER_03]: He did very optimistic of him.
09:33 --> 09:34 [SPEAKER_03]: How much time like it?
09:34 --> 09:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you Frank.
09:36 --> 09:37 [SPEAKER_03]: Hashtag Frank was right.
09:37 --> 09:37 [SPEAKER_03]: Hopefully.
09:37 --> 09:38 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
09:39 --> 09:39 [SPEAKER_03]: Hopefully.
09:39 --> 09:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
09:41 --> 09:43 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, more optimistic than his own team.
09:43 --> 09:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Again, hopefully the Mariners actually do go in and sweep the Metz this weekend.
09:46 --> 09:47 [SPEAKER_03]: If you look at the pitching matchups, I mean,
09:49 --> 09:57 [SPEAKER_03]: The Mariners, I mean not like not only is the offense side from the series been great and it's much deeper post trade deadline, but you look at the pitching matchups for this series.
09:57 --> 10:01 [SPEAKER_03]: You got Luis Castillo going Friday and Sean Manaya who's been very eh.
10:01 --> 10:07 [SPEAKER_03]: You've got Brian Wu on Saturday against Noah McLean who's a big prospect, but he's making his debut.
10:08 --> 10:09 [SPEAKER_03]: He's never pitched in a big league game before.
10:10 --> 10:14 [SPEAKER_03]: And then it's George Kirby and Clay Holmes on Sunday.
10:14 --> 10:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Clay Holmes, who has been a starter for not even one season, and he's been fine as he are as like three seven, but it's not like he's been sharp all year.
10:22 --> 10:25 [SPEAKER_03]: So, and George Kirby just shoved against the Orioles.
10:26 --> 10:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Arguably his best start of the season.
10:28 --> 10:30 [SPEAKER_03]: Hopefully he'll be motivated to pitch in New York too.
10:30 --> 10:32 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure he'll be pitching in front of a bunch of family and friends.
10:32 --> 10:36 [SPEAKER_03]: So, especially after his last one went, do you remember how his last one went?
10:37 --> 10:39 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, he's not good.
10:39 --> 10:40 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, no, I'm in it city field.
10:41 --> 10:43 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, wait, no, did he pitch in New York this year?
10:43 --> 10:43 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know if he did.
10:44 --> 10:47 [SPEAKER_05]: When he last pitched at city field, he lasted three innings.
10:48 --> 10:49 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that one wasn't great.
10:49 --> 10:50 [SPEAKER_05]: No, it wasn't.
10:50 --> 10:54 [SPEAKER_05]: Make a prediction dog is Dylan Moore in the starting lineup against Sean Manaya on Friday.
10:55 --> 10:56 [SPEAKER_05]: He can't be.
10:56 --> 10:58 [SPEAKER_05]: No, I don't can't be, but will he?
10:58 --> 11:03 [SPEAKER_03]: Are we going to have to make a post about that if he is?
11:04 --> 11:04 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe.
11:06 --> 11:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Like it was one thing on Wednesday.
11:07 --> 11:08 [SPEAKER_03]: It was like Wednesday was bad.
11:08 --> 11:10 [SPEAKER_03]: He should not have been in that lineup.
11:10 --> 11:14 [SPEAKER_03]: I understand Garver catching and Calv getting a day off his feet.
11:14 --> 11:17 [SPEAKER_03]: I understand that, but Dylan more.
11:17 --> 11:23 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it made no sense to have Dylan more in right field on Wednesday because you could have just left Palonco in the DH spot.
11:23 --> 11:25 [SPEAKER_03]: You could have had Cole Young play second.
11:25 --> 11:30 [SPEAKER_03]: I know Trevor Rogers is a tough lefty, but I trust Cole Young left on left at this point more than Dylan more.
11:32 --> 11:42 [SPEAKER_03]: But all that being said, like you still play them and you saw the game that Dilimor had, I don't know if he's getting DFA this weekend or when or if, I don't know, he can't be in the lineup.
11:43 --> 11:44 [SPEAKER_05]: He just can't play him.
11:44 --> 11:44 [SPEAKER_03]: No.
11:45 --> 11:51 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, and if he does, it's, I mean, we're gonna have yet another serious conversation about Dan Wolson.
11:51 --> 11:52 [SPEAKER_03]: That just cannot happen again.
11:53 --> 12:22 [SPEAKER_05]: it can't and you know this is on all facets of a keeping him on the roster because Dan has a roster to work with that the front office gives him and for the front office looking at this and saying like are we really better off with Dylan more on a roster than Leo Rivas or Biles Master buddy or both of them really like it just doesn't make any sense there's no way that any of the Mariners left on left options are worse than Dylan Morgan's to lefty there's no way
12:24 --> 12:24 [SPEAKER_05]: No.
12:24 --> 12:24 [SPEAKER_03]: No.
12:24 --> 12:25 [SPEAKER_05]: So it should not.
12:26 --> 12:26 [SPEAKER_05]: It should not be yet.
12:27 --> 12:27 [SPEAKER_05]: I got it.
12:27 --> 12:28 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
12:28 --> 12:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
12:29 --> 12:34 [SPEAKER_03]: I got one other thing to say about this series until we turn it over to our long way to conversation.
12:34 --> 12:43 [SPEAKER_03]: But we, you know, we have been hard on him at times, just like everybody has because the expectations of them are so high.
12:43 --> 12:48 [SPEAKER_03]: But since we've obviously spent time wanting more of him, I figured we should probably give him his flowers here.
12:48 --> 12:48 [SPEAKER_03]: You know what?
12:48 --> 12:49 [SPEAKER_03]: A really good series, Julio.
12:50 --> 12:59 [SPEAKER_03]: Again, both sides of the ball, that triple he had the other night, talking about grinding out in a bat, and then defensively he was great.
12:59 --> 13:00 [SPEAKER_03]: He hits a home run on Thursday.
13:00 --> 13:05 [SPEAKER_03]: He is seriously locked in in every way shape and form.
13:05 --> 13:07 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, he's all set up to go thirty, thirty again.
13:07 --> 13:12 [SPEAKER_05]: And that ball he hit on the triple, that is a ball he pounds into the ground so many times.
13:13 --> 13:15 [SPEAKER_05]: But this one, I mean, he just sticks the barrel down at it.
13:16 --> 13:19 [SPEAKER_05]: And he has a nice balance swing and still gets the ball in the air.
13:19 --> 13:21 [SPEAKER_05]: That ball he hit for a triple was like it is ankles.
13:22 --> 13:28 [SPEAKER_05]: And he just flicks his wrist down and laughs it into the left center field gap, which is perfect.
13:28 --> 13:29 [SPEAKER_05]: Like keep doing that.
13:30 --> 13:30 [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
13:30 --> 13:31 [SPEAKER_05]: Like this is great.
13:31 --> 13:33 [SPEAKER_05]: Five months of this, please.
13:33 --> 13:36 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, there'll just be an enormous difference.
13:36 --> 13:38 [SPEAKER_05]: It is crazy how despite the fact he just looked.
13:40 --> 14:09 [SPEAKER_05]: like a minor league or at the plate at points earlier this season that he's still gonna have a thirty thirty season this is why we just keep throwing and everyone keeps throwing this hypothetical out this of like can we get this first in a coolio for an entire season then where to see finish in the MVP because you can clearly see it in the dude is backing into a thirty thirty season hmm hmm it's kind of crazy not players don't do that mean even Randy might not do that and he's having a career season I wouldn't say coolios having a career season and he's still probably gonna do that
14:11 --> 14:21 [SPEAKER_05]: won't be a career season by war I don't think offensively I guess there's a shot yeah there is a shot the WRC plus might not be up there but the counting stats I think the counting stats
14:22 --> 14:50 [SPEAKER_05]: would be his twenty three season where he finished thirty two and thirty seven I have that no those numbers right yeah and that's those are excellent marks even though that season by WRC plus was fifteen percent less than his work year but he also played more games to second year in the big leagues and he's going to do the same thing this year and playing all these games and get those counting stats now we want him to do both because we know he can do it and he's shown it again here on August
14:51 --> 14:54 [SPEAKER_03]: His rookie year from May first and on he was a top five hitter in baseball.
14:54 --> 14:55 [SPEAKER_03]: He was that good.
14:55 --> 14:57 [SPEAKER_03]: But counting stats wise you're right.
14:57 --> 15:00 [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I just want to make sure we give Julio's flowers because he's been great.
15:00 --> 15:01 [SPEAKER_03]: He's been awesome.
15:01 --> 15:01 [SPEAKER_03]: I hope it keeps up.
15:01 --> 15:05 [SPEAKER_03]: They really need him and he's really elevated in a big way here the last few weeks.
15:06 --> 15:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I will say though about your point about the roster stuff.
15:09 --> 15:09 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry, man.
15:10 --> 15:11 [SPEAKER_03]: I'll wrap it up with this.
15:12 --> 15:17 [SPEAKER_03]: When a decision comes where they have to make a roster move when either Luke Raylee or Victor Robles get back here.
15:18 --> 15:25 [SPEAKER_03]: If the corresponding move is sending down Miles MasterBony because he has an option, malpractice.
15:25 --> 15:26 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, I will come on here.
15:26 --> 15:29 [SPEAKER_03]: I will be on social media saying absolute malpractice.
15:29 --> 15:33 [SPEAKER_03]: I understand that he is the longest tenure mayor in or Dillon Moore on the roster.
15:33 --> 15:35 [SPEAKER_03]: I understand he's been there a long time.
15:36 --> 15:46 [SPEAKER_03]: But I'm sorry, with forty games to go and making a push to be the most dominant team in the Jerry depoto era and having a chance to make a real run and having maybe your best roster of this era
15:48 --> 15:58 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, it almost makes me uncomfortable to do this because I understand that these are these guys livelihoods and not having a job is very, very difficult and dealing more by all accounts is a good dude.
15:59 --> 16:00 [SPEAKER_03]: But I'm sorry.
16:00 --> 16:02 [SPEAKER_03]: I like talking from baseball perspective.
16:02 --> 16:04 [SPEAKER_03]: He just can't be on this roster any longer.
16:04 --> 16:07 [SPEAKER_05]: There's no way him being on the roster makes you better in any way.
16:07 --> 16:11 [SPEAKER_05]: Doesn't matter how many positions he plays, it doesn't matter how fast he is on the base pads.
16:12 --> 16:13 [SPEAKER_05]: Because he doesn't get on base.
16:14 --> 16:18 [SPEAKER_03]: He's getting out hit now, batting average wise against left handed pitching by of all people.
16:19 --> 16:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Dom can's own.
16:20 --> 16:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Who by the way has clutched up multiple times in a row now in clutch spots against the lefty.
16:24 --> 16:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Tied up the game on Wednesday, had the walk off hit against the lefty against the white socks.
16:28 --> 16:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Dillymor's on this team did not just be a utility player, but hit lefties.
16:32 --> 16:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Dom Cam Zones, entire Achilles heel was he could not hit lefty.
16:36 --> 16:37 [SPEAKER_03]: It's part of the reason.
16:37 --> 16:40 [SPEAKER_03]: He was a pretty early cut in spring training this year.
16:41 --> 16:42 [SPEAKER_03]: He is now out hitting Dillon Morgan's lefties.
16:43 --> 16:43 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry.
16:43 --> 16:54 [SPEAKER_03]: It's just like if we see Miles MasterBony go down or a corresponding move occurs with Rayleigh and or Robles that is not Solano or Dillon Moore, it's now practice.
16:54 --> 16:56 [SPEAKER_03]: There's no other way to say it.
16:56 --> 16:59 [SPEAKER_05]: And the frustrating thing is we know this is not about money.
17:00 --> 17:10 [SPEAKER_05]: which is, it would be different to deal in more was owed, I don't know, for a month and a half, you still owed like four and a half million dollars, because the Mariners paid them some exorbitant amount of money.
17:10 --> 17:14 [SPEAKER_05]: If it was the mid-Chander contract right now, they'll be roughly how much you'd be making.
17:15 --> 17:17 [SPEAKER_03]: I'll use a better example.
17:17 --> 17:17 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
17:18 --> 17:20 [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's not the whole reason.
17:21 --> 17:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Part of the reason Harry Ford's not already up here?
17:23 --> 17:26 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Mitch Garver has a decent contract.
17:26 --> 17:27 [SPEAKER_03]: They may not want to cut ties with it.
17:28 --> 17:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe in September, they want Harry Ford up on the roster to have the potential to have three catchers.
17:32 --> 17:40 [SPEAKER_03]: So on days where Garver has to catch and Cal D H's, there's still the opportunity to make a move in game where you have another catcher ready.
17:41 --> 17:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
17:41 --> 17:48 [SPEAKER_05]: So, and Mitch Delver is like, he's not been great, but he's not been like the world's biggest atrocity at the plate.
17:48 --> 17:54 [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, he's still fine against left handed pitching, and especially over the last couple of months, he's been totally fine against left handed pitching.
17:54 --> 18:07 [SPEAKER_03]: So, you can, you can warrant keeping him on the roster throughout his contract this year, and you could still bring up Harry Ford, but the Dylan Moore thing, again, Master goes down as a result, I mean, I'm not going to be happy.
18:07 --> 18:12 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so it's not money, which makes this even more frustrating.
18:12 --> 18:15 [SPEAKER_05]: He's not even owed a million dollars the rest of the season.
18:15 --> 18:19 [SPEAKER_05]: It's not hanging on to him because you don't want to eat dead money.
18:19 --> 18:23 [SPEAKER_05]: So like there's just it doesn't feel like there's a logical explanation behind any of this.
18:24 --> 18:25 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, the logical explanation is
18:26 --> 18:52 [SPEAKER_03]: Dan Wilson you continue to hear about him that he has unwavering faith in his guys like total belief in his players and in some ways that's good in some ways like if you have a belief in Julio Rodriguez that nobody else has and that is contributed to his second half surge and him really fixing some things this year and now looking like prime Julio great that's awesome but when it gets to the point where
18:53 --> 19:00 [SPEAKER_03]: He has unwavering belief and Dylan Moore despite having two hits in the last two and a half months and now is making defensive blunders out in the field.
19:01 --> 19:02 [SPEAKER_03]: That's where it's a problem.
19:02 --> 19:05 [SPEAKER_03]: Because look, ultimately the front office makes the decision.
19:05 --> 19:07 [SPEAKER_03]: That's what I was saying.
19:07 --> 19:11 [SPEAKER_05]: But the front office, of course, can always just step in and say, sorry, but
19:13 --> 19:16 [SPEAKER_03]: All these decisions are mutual conversations.
19:16 --> 19:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Ultimately, the front office gets the final say.
19:18 --> 19:26 [SPEAKER_03]: But you know, when they make decisions like this, it is usually conversation between manager and front office about, are we going to do this?
19:26 --> 19:28 [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm not saying, like, because we don't know for sure.
19:30 --> 19:43 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not saying definitively that Dan Wilson's in there banging the drum to keep Dylan Moore on the roster, but when he gets asked and press conferences, only just a few weeks ago about the struggles of Dylan Moore and he says things publicly like, well, he's been so good for us.
19:43 --> 19:46 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, that's what makes me think he's saying those things in there.
19:47 --> 19:56 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe it's different behind closed doors, but when Dan Wilson says publicly, oh, Dylan Moore's been so good for us when every fan in their right mind can see that he's two for a million in his last like six weeks.
19:57 --> 19:59 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, well, he hasn't.
20:01 --> 20:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, right.
20:02 --> 20:13 [SPEAKER_05]: But then the people who are, you know, the vice president or president of the team that has final say over these decisions at some point, you can't purposely be making your roster worse.
20:14 --> 20:29 [SPEAKER_05]: And you need to step in and make a decision because if you don't do that, then for some reason you're opening even the tiniest window into costing yourself a game that you could so dearly need down the stretch because you have a player who's just not good enough anymore.
20:30 --> 20:31 [SPEAKER_05]: And you don't want to do that.
20:31 --> 20:32 [SPEAKER_05]: You can't risk that.
20:33 --> 20:34 [SPEAKER_03]: It has to end.
20:35 --> 20:35 [SPEAKER_03]: It really does.
20:35 --> 20:38 [SPEAKER_03]: And again, Donovan Solano's here to hit lefties too.
20:38 --> 20:40 [SPEAKER_03]: He's got reverse splits all of a sudden this year.
20:40 --> 20:45 [SPEAKER_03]: And again, until he pinch hit in that game against the White Sox last week, he can play in two straight weeks and he's not playing much now.
20:46 --> 20:47 [SPEAKER_03]: When Rayleigh and Robloys come back,
20:48 --> 20:51 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like the moves, those have to be the two moves.
20:52 --> 20:56 [SPEAKER_03]: It has to be those two that unfortunately you give your hugs to you, you thank them for their time.
20:56 --> 21:00 [SPEAKER_03]: You especially thank Dillon Moore for always giving you the last seven years because he has had some very good seasons.
21:01 --> 21:02 [SPEAKER_03]: But you move on.
21:02 --> 21:08 [SPEAKER_03]: Rayleigh and Robles come back on the roster and on September first either call up Ben Williamson or your call up Harry Ford.
21:08 --> 21:08 [SPEAKER_05]: Yep.
21:09 --> 21:10 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm a hundred percent with you there.
21:11 --> 21:13 [SPEAKER_05]: Want to get a read-in before we get to Mr. Tank.
21:13 --> 21:14 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, let's do that.
21:14 --> 21:15 [SPEAKER_03]: Let's take a quick pause.
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21:23 --> 21:26 [SPEAKER_03]: We got the second preseason game coming up tonight when you guys were listening to this.
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21:27 --> 21:29 [SPEAKER_03]: We got college football coming up.
21:29 --> 21:30 [SPEAKER_03]: You know baseball's in the full swing of it.
21:30 --> 21:31 [SPEAKER_03]: Mariners were right hot.
21:31 --> 21:35 [SPEAKER_03]: You guys despite the bad loss against the Orioles despite the bad lot bad series loss.
21:36 --> 21:38 [SPEAKER_03]: They are still playing like one of the best teams in baseball.
21:38 --> 21:41 [SPEAKER_03]: And I know you guys are all bought in on them now just like we are.
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21:55 --> 22:12 [SPEAKER_05]: a Monday through friday and drinks are three and four dollars yeah three and four dollar happy hour so check that all out at pagaches pub eighty five in Kirkland wasn't a longest conversation in the world with Frank but we did want to get his thoughts on the mariners in the mats like we talked about at the beginning of this podcast i will just say for the both of us live
22:13 --> 22:21 [SPEAKER_05]: Despite how long the conversation is, since we started this podcast, he has been one of the guys we've always wanted to have on.
22:21 --> 22:23 [SPEAKER_05]: And we're finally able to check that box.
22:24 --> 22:25 [SPEAKER_05]: So it's got to still feel a little good.
22:26 --> 22:30 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, he's a total, total white whale of this pod.
22:31 --> 22:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Honestly, like, I mean, he was up there with Kyle Tucker and Jr.
22:35 --> 22:36 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not even kidding.
22:36 --> 22:37 [SPEAKER_03]: You guys think I'm kidding.
22:39 --> 22:44 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, now part of that was with the idea that he comes on and is is full throttle Frank the tank.
22:44 --> 22:50 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, like, you know, if you get that sort of conversation or interview out of them for eight to ten minutes, that is for me.
22:52 --> 23:08 [SPEAKER_03]: up there with having like junior Kyle Tucker on so yes I understand some unfortunate circumstances may have changed some things up a little bit and he was going through it and we understand it obviously you know the guy was at the ER here on Thursday but to get him on
23:09 --> 23:11 [SPEAKER_03]: and to even talk with them for a few minutes was really fun.
23:11 --> 23:13 [SPEAKER_03]: Hopefully you guys enjoy it.
23:13 --> 23:21 [SPEAKER_03]: Hopefully you guys still hear the all the pain and misery and suffering in his voice and get a chance to see him on a mariners platform.
23:21 --> 23:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Who would have ever thought that just a couple of years ago?
23:23 --> 23:24 [SPEAKER_03]: You'd have Frank the Tang talking to him.
23:25 --> 23:26 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, here you guys go.
23:27 --> 23:28 [SPEAKER_05]: Can't believe I get to say this loud.
23:28 --> 23:31 [SPEAKER_05]: Let's get to our guest, Mr. Frank Fleming.
23:33 --> 23:37 [SPEAKER_03]: All right, we've got an incredibly special guest on with us.
23:38 --> 23:39 [SPEAKER_03]: It is Frank the Tank.
23:39 --> 23:40 [SPEAKER_03]: You know him.
23:40 --> 23:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Met super fan, bar stool sports, Frank walks, and one of our favorite people, despite having never met him until right now.
23:48 --> 23:49 [SPEAKER_03]: Frank, thanks for doing this.
23:49 --> 23:51 [SPEAKER_03]: Let's just jump right into it.
23:52 --> 23:55 [SPEAKER_03]: How would you describe the twenty twenty five season for the New York Mets?
23:56 --> 23:56 [SPEAKER_03]: How?
23:58 --> 23:59 [SPEAKER_01]: They got up to a great start.
24:00 --> 24:27 [SPEAKER_01]: And since June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June, June,
24:29 --> 24:32 [SPEAKER_05]: So, where is the pitching like the biggest issue?
24:32 --> 24:34 [SPEAKER_05]: Other methods are supposed to be good at developing pitching.
24:34 --> 24:40 [SPEAKER_01]: The pitchers that they're developing aren't up yet.
24:41 --> 24:45 [SPEAKER_01]: So, one of them is actually making his debut Saturday.
24:45 --> 24:49 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm trying, I'm going to try to hover my way to that game to watch that one.
24:50 --> 24:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
24:50 --> 24:53 [SPEAKER_01]: So, to fill the people in, you've had a tough go of it today.
24:54 --> 24:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I got, uh,
24:56 --> 25:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I was doing a walk, like I normally do, I was going to go, playing on a nice little two, maybe two, three-hour walk, trying to get five miles at least.
25:08 --> 25:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe get close to twenty thousand steps, and I started my foot felt wet.
25:12 --> 25:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I got for a second, oh, I'll need some little wetness from that.
25:16 --> 25:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I was out in there, I've done this one last night with the, I leave it in the match game.
25:20 --> 25:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I could stay the eight, forty-five, and I started my foot felt wet, and I looked down on it, it's red.
25:25 --> 25:28 [SPEAKER_01]: They put the hell, would like to step in.
25:28 --> 25:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, look, awesome.
25:30 --> 25:31 [SPEAKER_01]: It's my fucking foot bleeding.
25:33 --> 25:35 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was squirting.
25:35 --> 25:38 [SPEAKER_01]: There's actually in a media center, like a couple of feet away.
25:38 --> 25:41 [SPEAKER_01]: So I walked to the media center.
25:41 --> 25:44 [SPEAKER_01]: But they had to call me to the ambulance, get me to the hospital.
25:44 --> 25:46 [SPEAKER_01]: And I went to Claremass Hospital.
25:46 --> 25:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And Claremass Hospital might literally be the worst hospital in America.
25:51 --> 25:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no.
25:52 --> 25:54 [SPEAKER_01]: They are literally just
25:55 --> 26:00 [SPEAKER_01]: And this is the hospital that they make fun of on the Simpsons.
26:01 --> 26:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Dr. Nick runs his fucking hospital.
26:04 --> 26:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sitting there.
26:06 --> 26:08 [SPEAKER_01]: So I go up to emergency room and they're nice enough.
26:09 --> 26:11 [SPEAKER_01]: But then I didn't get up there and they look on my foot.
26:12 --> 26:18 [SPEAKER_01]: And what the immediate entity was they put, like, I don't know, they wrapped it up, put gauze on it and stopped bleeding.
26:20 --> 26:23 [SPEAKER_01]: So Claire Maslow said, oh, okay, he gets you okay.
26:24 --> 26:25 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll just wrap up.
26:25 --> 26:30 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll put some gauze on it, clean it up and just keep it elevated and awesome.
26:30 --> 26:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm standing, waiting, getting ready to leave and also in this and your foot's bleeding.
26:36 --> 26:37 [SPEAKER_01]: That it reopened, yes, I was standing.
26:38 --> 26:39 [SPEAKER_01]: They put fresh on it.
26:40 --> 26:44 [SPEAKER_01]: So we're gonna go, oh shit, I guess we do have to put some, give them some stitches.
26:45 --> 26:48 [SPEAKER_01]: So I had to get some stitches into my fucking feet.
26:48 --> 26:50 [SPEAKER_01]: So I got a couple stitches.
26:50 --> 26:52 [SPEAKER_01]: They gave me crutches.
26:52 --> 26:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Some guys supposed to be helping me out bringing you a knee scooter.
26:56 --> 26:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to try to see how I'd get around if I can get around.
27:00 --> 27:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to try to go to the meds game.
27:01 --> 27:03 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not going to just have to see how to get that.
27:04 --> 27:06 [SPEAKER_01]: One sort of bobbled head of other means.
27:07 --> 27:10 [SPEAKER_03]: So do you want the one sort of bobbled head?
27:10 --> 27:12 [SPEAKER_03]: Because I've got a lot more.
27:12 --> 27:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, maybe one day he'll actually fucking show the gifted game.
27:17 --> 27:18 [SPEAKER_03]: All right, so fill the people in.
27:18 --> 27:25 [SPEAKER_03]: Like we don't watch every pitch of every meds game like you do, but from afar, like you look at one soda's numbers and it feels like he's having a pretty good year.
27:25 --> 27:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Like in your mind, why is he a bust?
27:28 --> 27:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Because he's batting one sixty, uh, what runs the scoring position that he's not does not have any three run home.
27:34 --> 27:36 [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't have a grand slam.
27:36 --> 27:41 [SPEAKER_01]: He's got two two run homers and everything else is solo.
27:43 --> 27:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, does that not seem what the guy's front of you failed time and time again?
27:48 --> 27:59 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I was gonna say does that not say something about the guys in front of him too or he's just had the audience?
27:59 --> 28:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Lendor has been brutal since June thirteen.
28:03 --> 28:05 [SPEAKER_01]: He's back in like one thirteen.
28:06 --> 28:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Alonzo has been
28:09 --> 28:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I had a bad stretch for a couple of weeks, but I was like, he's getting it going again.
28:13 --> 28:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I don't get why he has to write.
28:18 --> 28:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Down go straw on his record breaking baseball.
28:22 --> 28:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, show some fucking class P.
28:25 --> 28:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Show some fucking class.
28:28 --> 28:32 [SPEAKER_05]: That's what I saw you tweet the clip out earlier today here on Thursday.
28:32 --> 28:34 [SPEAKER_05]: I did not understand what they were talking.
28:34 --> 28:35 [SPEAKER_05]: What you were referencing there.
28:36 --> 28:37 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I don't really get that.
28:37 --> 28:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't get why he would do that.
28:40 --> 28:46 [SPEAKER_01]: And if he wasn't his idea, I don't know what more on told me to do that.
28:46 --> 28:49 [SPEAKER_01]: But as I said, I got my Uber reach on the way.
28:49 --> 28:53 [SPEAKER_01]: So you might be getting a call or I might have to be hobbling to the door.
28:54 --> 28:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, no worries.
28:56 --> 28:59 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, let me ask you this question.
28:59 --> 29:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I completely forgot about this because just how fucked up my days mean.
29:03 --> 29:04 [SPEAKER_03]: No, we got it.
29:04 --> 29:05 [SPEAKER_03]: Don't, don't sweat at all.
29:05 --> 29:06 [SPEAKER_03]: I cannot, I cannot imagine.
29:06 --> 29:07 [SPEAKER_03]: I totally got it.
29:08 --> 29:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Let me ask you this.
29:09 --> 29:12 [SPEAKER_03]: Between all the guys, this was TJ's question.
29:12 --> 29:13 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna steal it from him.
29:13 --> 29:16 [SPEAKER_03]: All the guys that are played for the Mariners and Mets, like both teams.
29:16 --> 29:19 [SPEAKER_03]: Do you have favorite guy in a least favorite guy that's played for both teams?
29:23 --> 29:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I know I should say Edmundias is my favorite guy.
29:28 --> 29:30 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the obvious guy to say my favorite guy.
29:30 --> 29:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And I have no reason not to say Edmundias.
29:35 --> 29:41 [SPEAKER_01]: But I do know one player that not a lot of people don't think of him for the Mariners.
29:41 --> 29:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I think he finished his career at the Mariners.
29:43 --> 29:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And I use him on the grid all the time.
29:47 --> 29:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I am talking about Wallie Bachman.
29:53 --> 30:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And eighty-six Matt just loved what he played so Edmund D.I.s is the one who had notable career for both teams but Wally Blockman this is a good guy just guys I just gotta say while we're back with this Wally Blockman is literally one of my favorite plays of all time Now do you have a least favorite one because we had I mean I would have a couple ideas off the top of my head, but I want to I want to hear what you can know would definitely be up there
30:23 --> 30:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, just a disaster.
30:25 --> 30:27 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I don't know what Brody was doing there to be honest.
30:28 --> 30:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, that he got the asian to trade.
30:30 --> 30:32 [SPEAKER_05]: He did he did the, but the.
30:32 --> 30:34 [SPEAKER_05]: No, he didn't make any sense.
30:34 --> 30:36 [SPEAKER_05]: And Jarrick and Elmick was a bust.
30:36 --> 30:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
30:38 --> 30:40 [SPEAKER_05]: And that's no, Frank, that's one of Lyle's favorite players ever.
30:40 --> 30:41 [SPEAKER_05]: So I thought that one.
30:41 --> 30:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I
30:50 --> 30:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Kenos, probably the obvious, he just suffered the match.
30:53 --> 30:56 [SPEAKER_01]: He was old and he got caught with steroids again.
30:56 --> 31:04 [SPEAKER_01]: And then once he got caught the second time, he faced a lifetime ban instead of the one-year suspension.
31:04 --> 31:10 [SPEAKER_01]: So he couldn't do steroids anymore, he was just forty and it just hadn't, was not worth God damping anymore.
31:11 --> 31:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh god, who else?
31:12 --> 31:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Who else would I with that kid?
31:13 --> 31:15 [SPEAKER_05]: So so the two I was thinking of Frank.
31:15 --> 31:16 [SPEAKER_05]: I'd love to hear your opinions on these.
31:17 --> 31:22 [SPEAKER_05]: So Daniel Volgobak was actually a solid mariner like he made a real star game as a mariner.
31:22 --> 31:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Total bummer to next.
31:25 --> 31:27 [SPEAKER_05]: And then Jesse Winker who actually I think the rules flipped.
31:27 --> 31:29 [SPEAKER_05]: He was so bad as a mariner.
31:29 --> 31:30 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, couldn't field.
31:30 --> 31:32 [SPEAKER_05]: He couldn't hit.
31:32 --> 31:34 [SPEAKER_01]: But he's been solid in that.
31:35 --> 31:37 [SPEAKER_01]: He was actually hitting well.
31:37 --> 31:38 [SPEAKER_01]: He got hurt.
31:38 --> 31:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Danny came off the engineless and got hurt in the air.
31:42 --> 31:43 [SPEAKER_01]: It would be a one-game after coming back.
31:44 --> 31:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh no.
31:46 --> 31:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Are you in policy?
31:46 --> 31:49 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, all good now because he caught your first pitch in Arizona.
31:49 --> 31:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, somewhat.
31:51 --> 31:51 [SPEAKER_03]: Somewhat?
31:52 --> 31:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
31:53 --> 31:55 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I don't know what's out of mind.
31:56 --> 32:20 [SPEAKER_03]: outside out of mind while I remember a couple years ago to honor a few remember this but i think it's twenty twenty two and he had all those quotes when he was with the mariners and having his big ears like you have a medscape up on me was all motivated to go back to city field and give it to him and you were not happy after that well he did you ever look at his met numbers i mean there's bad and there's one in sixteen
32:23 --> 32:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he was not great.
32:24 --> 32:25 [SPEAKER_03]: He was not great once in a while.
32:25 --> 32:28 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think he was like, oh, and dirty before you guys first win.
32:30 --> 32:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, that is fair.
32:32 --> 32:37 [SPEAKER_03]: Do you have any sympathy by the way for all the, for all the pain and misery as you like to say that you go through as a metspan?
32:37 --> 32:40 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, can you relate to Mariners fans at all in that way?
32:40 --> 32:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, somewhat.
32:42 --> 32:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I know they're doing franchises.
32:43 --> 32:44 [SPEAKER_01]: It's never been to the world series.
32:48 --> 32:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I think that if they, uh,
32:51 --> 32:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I think they can do it this year.
32:53 --> 32:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I need to go to World Series this year.
32:55 --> 32:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
32:56 --> 32:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Do you have a serious prediction for this weekend between the two teams?
32:58 --> 33:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Sweet, put them out in there.
33:00 --> 33:00 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, nothing.
33:00 --> 33:01 [UNKNOWN]: No.
33:02 --> 33:04 [SPEAKER_03]: Not even with McLean making his debut.
33:04 --> 33:16 [SPEAKER_01]: McLean will pitch well and the match won't, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
33:17 --> 33:19 [SPEAKER_01]: It's been a disaster.
33:19 --> 33:22 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, if you average out the last two months, it makes me have a hundred more season.
33:24 --> 33:26 [SPEAKER_01]: So what do you think their future is the rest of the year?
33:26 --> 33:27 [SPEAKER_01]: They still get into the playoffs?
33:27 --> 33:28 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm actually not getting any playoffs.
33:29 --> 33:30 [SPEAKER_03]: Frank has been awesome.
33:30 --> 33:31 [SPEAKER_03]: Appreciate the time.
33:31 --> 33:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Hopefully the Metz do not go on one, sixty two like you've tweeted plenty and look forward to the series this week.
33:36 --> 33:37 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm really appreciate it.
33:37 --> 33:37 [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
33:40 --> 33:42 [SPEAKER_05]: Right, that was awesome having Frank on.
33:42 --> 33:46 [SPEAKER_05]: While he's not the most optimistic about the Met's chance as this series.
33:46 --> 33:53 [SPEAKER_05]: In fact, if you guys are listening to that, don't worry that the mayor has lost the series to the Orioles because the weekend's going to be great.
33:54 --> 33:54 [SPEAKER_05]: They're sweeping.
33:55 --> 33:55 [SPEAKER_03]: They're sweeping.
33:55 --> 33:56 [SPEAKER_03]: Met's are free falling.
33:56 --> 33:58 [SPEAKER_03]: They won't make the playoffs are done.
33:58 --> 33:59 [SPEAKER_03]: The Mariners are back.
34:00 --> 34:01 [SPEAKER_05]: Congratulations.
34:01 --> 34:02 [SPEAKER_05]: We could just save this for Monday.
34:02 --> 34:04 [SPEAKER_03]: Dude, the Mariners are going to the world series.
34:04 --> 34:07 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, we're putting that right on us on a quote card.
34:08 --> 34:08 [SPEAKER_03]: I'll tell you that.
34:08 --> 34:11 [SPEAKER_05]: Even Franks, Franks said, yep, like I believe in that team.
34:12 --> 34:12 [SPEAKER_05]: It's like, I don't know.
34:13 --> 34:13 [SPEAKER_05]: Wow.
34:13 --> 34:14 [SPEAKER_03]: Dude, how about Frank?
34:14 --> 34:16 [SPEAKER_03]: The tank endorsement.
34:17 --> 34:22 [SPEAKER_03]: I do wonder, there is, there is a small part of me and I, there's no way to know this for sure.
34:23 --> 34:23 [SPEAKER_03]: But
34:24 --> 34:34 [SPEAKER_03]: There is a small part of me that wonders if the man saves his best bullets for like when he knows he's truly making the big bucks.
34:34 --> 34:36 [SPEAKER_03]: And I want to be very clear, what he does is not an act.
34:36 --> 34:37 [SPEAKER_03]: Like that is very real.
34:38 --> 34:39 [SPEAKER_03]: He is that passionate of a fan.
34:40 --> 34:41 [SPEAKER_03]: He gets that pissed off that easily.
34:42 --> 34:48 [SPEAKER_03]: But I do wonder if it's like, well, do I need to freak out on some podcast of people who I don't really know?
34:49 --> 34:49 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe not.
34:50 --> 34:51 [SPEAKER_03]: Probably.
34:52 --> 34:59 [SPEAKER_05]: I also think it would help if we're interviewing him while the meds were on, like some people just like need that stimulation.
34:59 --> 35:08 [SPEAKER_05]: Like if we watch the Mariners while we're recording and they do something stupid, I'm probably going to react a lot stronger to it than if like nothing is happening.
35:09 --> 35:10 [SPEAKER_03]: That's actually facts.
35:10 --> 35:14 [SPEAKER_03]: Honestly, like I was at the game with my family on Sunday.
35:15 --> 35:19 [SPEAKER_03]: and my mood in game got it's so different than at a game.
35:20 --> 35:24 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean in game I am once who pitched on Sunday.
35:24 --> 35:25 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it was Brian Wu.
35:26 --> 35:31 [SPEAKER_03]: Once Wu came out of the game and they had to cover some innings before getting to brash in the ninth before they closed out the win against the raise.
35:31 --> 35:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, like some of the like some of the moves Dan Wilson was making.
35:35 --> 35:36 [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, oh, they're going to blow this.
35:36 --> 35:39 [SPEAKER_03]: They had Caleb Ferguson throw forty pitches on Sunday and I was like,
35:40 --> 35:44 [SPEAKER_03]: And like, in the moment, I am like, I'm already preparing for the worst.
35:45 --> 35:51 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm, what do you call it when you're like just talking negatively pessimistic?
35:52 --> 35:53 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's, uh, there's some word for it.
35:54 --> 35:55 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm doing it with that.
35:55 --> 35:57 [SPEAKER_03]: Doomer, pessimistic.
35:57 --> 36:02 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going total doomer for like the seventh and eighth inning saying like, oh, they're gonna blow this or whatever.
36:02 --> 36:06 [SPEAKER_03]: And then once you come out of it and they win, it's like, um, it was fine.
36:06 --> 36:09 [SPEAKER_05]: And if you listen to Monday's podcast, all we were doing is being positive.
36:10 --> 36:11 [SPEAKER_05]: Right, like it is totally different.
36:11 --> 36:15 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, like his post game reactions do so well.
36:16 --> 36:24 [SPEAKER_05]: Like, of course, he's going to save his best rants for that and he's not going to like come on our platform and blow everyone's ear drums out.
36:25 --> 36:32 [SPEAKER_05]: In fact, maybe thought maybe people don't like Frank because of how much he yells and they actually enjoy it when he's not yelling.
36:32 --> 36:37 [SPEAKER_05]: And he's just negative about the mats on it in a normal tone, like he wasn't this interview.
36:38 --> 36:43 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe I set my expectations way, way, way too high for what it was gonna be.
36:43 --> 36:47 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the way the Met's are playing, the way I've seen his content get rolled out the last few days.
36:48 --> 36:50 [SPEAKER_03]: I thought the stars were aligning as perfect as ever.
36:50 --> 36:54 [SPEAKER_03]: For him to just come on here and just let it rip.
36:56 --> 37:01 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe he wasn't in that headspace where he felt like he needed to do it.
37:01 --> 37:02 [SPEAKER_03]: So regardless, it was still fun.
37:02 --> 37:04 [SPEAKER_03]: That was still an absolute white whale.
37:04 --> 37:05 [SPEAKER_03]: We checked off the list.
37:05 --> 37:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe next year against them, that's what we'll do it again.
37:07 --> 37:08 [SPEAKER_03]: We'll see.
37:08 --> 37:13 [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, like, that's still a milestone for us.
37:13 --> 37:15 [SPEAKER_03]: We were not kidding when we set it at the start of that interview.
37:15 --> 37:17 [SPEAKER_03]: He is one of our favorite people.
37:17 --> 37:21 [SPEAKER_03]: There's a reason the two of us talk about him way more than any Mariners podcast ever should.
37:22 --> 37:23 [SPEAKER_03]: because we love them.
37:23 --> 37:26 [SPEAKER_03]: Like I cannot even stress how much I relate to him.
37:26 --> 37:27 [SPEAKER_03]: I could talk about him forever.
37:27 --> 37:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Like I am not quite at his level, but like it's not that far off.
37:35 --> 37:39 [SPEAKER_03]: There was a clip of him and you know the clip I'm talking about, right?
37:39 --> 37:40 [SPEAKER_03]: It was yes.
37:41 --> 37:43 [SPEAKER_03]: So this clip
37:44 --> 37:47 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, shall I just play it through my phone for people or just, you haven't pulled up?
37:48 --> 37:48 [SPEAKER_03]: I do.
37:49 --> 37:51 [SPEAKER_03]: It's basically, I mean, it's like thirty seconds.
37:51 --> 38:00 [SPEAKER_03]: And this is basically, everyone in my life versus me trying to talk about the mariners with me, which is like, and like, how do approach being a fan?
38:00 --> 38:02 [SPEAKER_03]: So here, let me, it's like thirty seconds.
38:02 --> 38:04 [SPEAKER_05]: And the first guy talking is Janks.
38:04 --> 38:06 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, this is Janks is pretty, most, yeah.
38:07 --> 38:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Most things through Frank go through him, he's developed his own personality too, but they're on Frank's podcast and he's talking about how, you know, your whole world doesn't have to be the meds, and he responds like this here.
38:18 --> 38:23 [SPEAKER_02]: to get you to see that you're doing so well in life that this should not be the most important thing to you.
38:24 --> 38:33 [SPEAKER_02]: You can love them at so you can get mother fucking mad at them or for it to be all consuming and then to make it all consuming for everyone around you.
38:33 --> 38:36 [SPEAKER_00]: And so this week is that this week is so bad.
38:36 --> 38:39 [SPEAKER_00]: You actually have Paul Trashberg come out this weekend.
38:39 --> 38:40 [SPEAKER_00]: He's making one toss.
38:41 --> 38:42 [SPEAKER_00]: One toss.
38:43 --> 38:44 [SPEAKER_00]: One toss arrival.
38:44 --> 38:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Single is when his whole season fell apart.
38:49 --> 38:56 [SPEAKER_05]: Like, and if you're not watching on YouTube, Janks in that clip as soon as Frank starts talking, puts his head down in disappointment.
38:56 --> 39:06 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, as soon as Frank starts talking, or just, okay, this sentimental speech I was trying to give you went by the wayside.
39:06 --> 39:12 [SPEAKER_03]: I want you to see that the meds don't have to be your whole life and all consuming, and just immediately snap back into it.
39:12 --> 39:14 [SPEAKER_03]: I hate Frank, you montage, I hate Paul Blackburn.
39:14 --> 39:18 [SPEAKER_05]: Like, honestly, it's like someone of the vibe with this podcast.
39:18 --> 39:19 [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe not all the way.
39:19 --> 39:20 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not all the way, Janks, but
39:21 --> 39:25 [SPEAKER_05]: It's okay, Lyle, we're working our way through it, and then it's like, do you?
39:25 --> 39:30 [SPEAKER_03]: But, but, but, but I can't, yeah, I can't stand it.
39:30 --> 39:31 [SPEAKER_03]: I can't watch this anymore.
39:31 --> 39:31 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exactly.
39:31 --> 39:32 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
39:32 --> 39:35 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it's quite you because we kind of go through this.
39:35 --> 39:36 [SPEAKER_05]: We're not all the way on that spectrum.
39:36 --> 39:38 [SPEAKER_05]: I think you gave a better comparison to that.
39:38 --> 39:43 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's like anybody else in my life versus me trying to talk to me about the Mariners.
39:44 --> 39:46 [SPEAKER_03]: whether it's, you know, my parents through the years or whoever.
39:47 --> 39:49 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, this doesn't have to be your whole life.
39:49 --> 39:53 [SPEAKER_03]: And then doesn't matter, Mariners give up a home or I'm going to be pissed.
39:53 --> 39:57 [SPEAKER_05]: Dillon Moore drops a fly ball and right field in Laos' head explodes.
39:57 --> 39:58 [SPEAKER_05]: Exactly.
39:59 --> 39:59 [SPEAKER_05]: It does.
40:00 --> 40:06 [SPEAKER_05]: But you have to think that was, that was super cool in a really good milestone for us, dog.
40:06 --> 40:06 [SPEAKER_05]: So.
40:06 --> 40:12 [SPEAKER_03]: Dude, it's, I mean, when he pops on that screen, it's still like a whirlwind.
40:12 --> 40:13 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I'm sitting there telling you like,
40:14 --> 40:17 [SPEAKER_03]: Before it starts like, man, I feel like I'm meeting one of my heroes here.
40:19 --> 40:19 [SPEAKER_03]: You are.
40:19 --> 40:22 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what you want to mean to tell you.
40:22 --> 40:23 [SPEAKER_03]: I love the guy.
40:23 --> 40:24 [SPEAKER_03]: He is awesome.
40:25 --> 40:26 [SPEAKER_05]: He's great.
40:26 --> 40:27 [SPEAKER_05]: Thank you, Frank.
40:27 --> 40:28 [SPEAKER_05]: That was awesome.
40:29 --> 40:30 [SPEAKER_05]: Let's get to our mail bag, Lyle.
40:31 --> 40:32 [SPEAKER_05]: We've got some good mail bag questions.
40:33 --> 40:35 [SPEAKER_05]: Let's start off on Patreon.
40:35 --> 40:41 [SPEAKER_05]: Tanner sends us in a Patreon question and a reminder to you guys if you want priority for your mail bag questions.
40:41 --> 40:42 [SPEAKER_05]: Patreon's the way to go.
40:43 --> 40:45 [SPEAKER_05]: Go over to our patreon patreon.com slash marine layer pod.
40:46 --> 40:47 [SPEAKER_05]: Sign up and you'll get
40:48 --> 40:49 [SPEAKER_05]: Mailbag priority, congratulations.
40:49 --> 40:55 [SPEAKER_05]: So if that's what you want, you want to make sure your questions are answered weekly on this podcast.
40:55 --> 40:56 [SPEAKER_05]: That'll be the place to go.
40:56 --> 41:01 [SPEAKER_05]: So we're going to start off with Tanner, and Tanner's question is, got a fun and nickname for Josh Nailer.
41:02 --> 41:07 [SPEAKER_05]: I was thinking, first option, Nainay, second one, the big grumper.
41:08 --> 41:09 [SPEAKER_05]: Do y'all have any thoughts?
41:09 --> 41:13 [SPEAKER_05]: Also, Lyle, what's your go to, bread, jelly, and peanut butter?
41:15 --> 41:17 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I'll answer the second part of that question first because it's a little quicker.
41:17 --> 41:28 [SPEAKER_03]: I actually, for his healthy as a peanut butter and jelly can be, I know they're not the healthiest thing in the world, but I use wheat bread.
41:29 --> 41:32 [SPEAKER_03]: It's or we just, you know, you can pick up or we bread for many store.
41:34 --> 41:38 [SPEAKER_03]: So just normal wheat bread, Adams peanut butter, I know it's the natural stuff, but I actually like it.
41:39 --> 41:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Not that I don't like skipy and Jeff, but
41:42 --> 41:45 [SPEAKER_03]: I actually enjoy the natural peanut butter probably more than most people would.
41:45 --> 41:47 [SPEAKER_03]: And then I just use, it's good.
41:47 --> 41:50 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and then I just use mockers, strawberry jelly.
41:50 --> 41:53 [SPEAKER_05]: I was going to say, there's not that much difference in peanut butter.
41:53 --> 41:54 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to be honest.
41:54 --> 42:03 [SPEAKER_05]: Like there's some, some have a little bit more sugar in it, but to be honest, like if you look at like the skipy natural versus like a different organic brand,
42:04 --> 42:06 [SPEAKER_05]: It's not that different.
42:06 --> 42:08 [SPEAKER_05]: It's like a little bit more oil, but like, I think that's it.
42:09 --> 42:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, of course.
42:10 --> 42:14 [SPEAKER_05]: Again, that's, well, Adam's versus skipy natural is what I'm making a comparison of.
42:15 --> 42:16 [SPEAKER_03]: I think you can tell the difference in taste.
42:16 --> 42:23 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you can tell skipy is, you know, it tastes a little more like you would expect.
42:23 --> 42:24 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, look at the ingredients on the label.
42:25 --> 42:26 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, there's more in there.
42:27 --> 42:27 [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
42:27 --> 42:28 [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
42:29 --> 42:30 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's, that's what I do.
42:30 --> 42:38 [SPEAKER_03]: Or we bread Adam's peanut butter, smuckers strawberry jelly, and sometimes I'll just buy it sometimes I'll buy the natural jelly too, but usually I go with the smuckers, but hey, it's a choice.
42:39 --> 42:42 [SPEAKER_03]: Adam's peanut butter, if you're listening, sponsor the show.
42:42 --> 42:43 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm actually pretty sure they're a local brand.
42:44 --> 42:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, perfect.
42:46 --> 42:47 [SPEAKER_05]: I think it's stay tuned.
42:48 --> 42:53 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because if you go to like Croger or Safeway or QFC or whatever, and other states, Adam's peanut butter isn't there.
42:53 --> 42:54 [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's a Seattle thing.
42:57 --> 42:59 [SPEAKER_05]: Let's look this up while you answer the second part of this question.
43:01 --> 43:02 [SPEAKER_03]: To answer the Josh Nailer question?
43:02 --> 43:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think he's already getting a little bit of a nickname and how well is it going to stick?
43:07 --> 43:10 [SPEAKER_03]: We'll see, but people have already started to call him Big Grumper to be honest.
43:11 --> 43:11 [SPEAKER_03]: I love it.
43:11 --> 43:13 [SPEAKER_03]: It describes him perfectly.
43:13 --> 43:15 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a playoff of Cal Raleigh.
43:15 --> 43:19 [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's great because it's very much who Josh Nailer is.
43:20 --> 43:21 [SPEAKER_03]: He is very intense.
43:21 --> 43:23 [SPEAKER_03]: He doesn't crack a ton of smiles.
43:23 --> 43:24 [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's great.
43:24 --> 43:26 [SPEAKER_03]: I love the idea of the Big Grumper nickname.
43:26 --> 43:27 [SPEAKER_03]: I can stick with it.
43:30 --> 43:42 [SPEAKER_05]: I would say big grumper sorry I'm like I'm I'm all the way in on Adam's website looking around right now, but let me let me just say if they're gonna choose one single one for Josh Naylor I would say big grumper's my favorite one.
43:42 --> 43:44 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know if it would be Josh Naylor's favorite
43:46 --> 43:50 [SPEAKER_05]: Because like, do you want your name to be known as you being constantly unhappy?
43:50 --> 43:51 [SPEAKER_05]: Unless you can get a joke out of it.
43:51 --> 43:53 [SPEAKER_05]: But we just like don't know Josh Nailer like that.
43:54 --> 43:59 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, did Cal Rally want his nickname known across the world as a guy with a huge butt?
44:01 --> 44:04 [SPEAKER_05]: No, but it's not like he can deny that he doesn't have a fat ass.
44:05 --> 44:09 [SPEAKER_03]: And Josh Nailer can't deny the fact that he looks like he's pissed off all the time.
44:09 --> 44:10 [SPEAKER_03]: That's just how he is.
44:11 --> 44:21 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I'd say one is like personality and personality can be a little bit more opinionated, but again Josh Nieler doesn't really get control of his nickname because nickname is what other people call you, not what do you call you.
44:23 --> 44:24 [SPEAKER_05]: So that happens.
44:24 --> 44:34 [SPEAKER_05]: I believe by the way, dog, if you want to answer to your question, from what I can tell, I think Adams is owned by Smuckers.
44:35 --> 44:38 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, so here's what I read, because I looked up where is Adam's peanut butter from.
44:39 --> 44:49 [SPEAKER_03]: And it says, Adam's natural peanut butter is made in the USA specifically at a production facility in Lexington, Lexington, Kentucky, the JM smucker company, which owns the Adam's brand operates this facility.
44:50 --> 44:53 [SPEAKER_03]: It says it's also the largest peanut butter production facility in the world.
44:53 --> 44:54 [SPEAKER_03]: Sounds like I might need to go to Lexington.
44:56 --> 45:01 [SPEAKER_03]: It says wallets made in Lexington, the brand is associated with the West Coast.
45:01 --> 45:05 [SPEAKER_03]: So that makes sense that you don't find it in a ton of other places around the country.
45:05 --> 45:06 [SPEAKER_03]: It's more of a West Coast thing.
45:07 --> 45:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Made in Kentucky, but you got to find it on the West Coast.
45:10 --> 45:10 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, no, Doug.
45:10 --> 45:11 [SPEAKER_05]: So here we go.
45:11 --> 45:18 [SPEAKER_05]: But it was the Adams peanut butter company was founded in nineteen sixteen by Rex F. Adams out of Tacoma.
45:19 --> 45:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, and yeah, here we go.
45:20 --> 45:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Their production facility moved to the port of Tacoma area in nineteen seventy four.
45:24 --> 45:27 [SPEAKER_03]: James Maccure later acquired Adams in nineteen ninety eight.
45:27 --> 45:28 [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
45:28 --> 45:37 [SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, West Coast originally Pacific Wharton Northwest now is owned by a significantly bigger conglomerate selling in the northwest but not being produced here anymore.
45:37 --> 45:39 [SPEAKER_03]: Still Adams peanut butter sponsor the show.
45:39 --> 45:41 [SPEAKER_03]: I will give you the best and easiest promotion of all time.
45:42 --> 45:43 [SPEAKER_05]: It's like Rainier beer too.
45:43 --> 45:44 [SPEAKER_05]: Same idea.
45:45 --> 45:48 [SPEAKER_03]: I'll tell you I can I can sponsor the hell out of Adams peanut butter.
45:48 --> 45:48 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
45:49 --> 45:49 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I know.
45:49 --> 45:51 [SPEAKER_05]: You'd be, uh, you'd be running up there in the front.
45:52 --> 45:53 [SPEAKER_03]: Dude, what an episode this has been.
45:53 --> 45:56 [SPEAKER_03]: We have Frank the tank on the pod and then we just spent like five minutes talking about Adam's peanut butter.
45:57 --> 45:57 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, dude.
45:57 --> 45:59 [SPEAKER_05]: They got like a free five minute out on this.
45:59 --> 46:01 [SPEAKER_05]: That's our pitch to you Adam's peanut butter.
46:02 --> 46:03 [SPEAKER_05]: You guys see a sales spike.
46:04 --> 46:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Expect to commission and they're probably a many more people out there consuming more of your product than me.
46:10 --> 46:11 [SPEAKER_03]: So you need another reason.
46:13 --> 46:15 [SPEAKER_03]: Let's get to our next question.
46:15 --> 46:15 [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
46:15 --> 46:16 [SPEAKER_03]: I got you.
46:16 --> 46:16 [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
46:16 --> 46:17 [SPEAKER_03]: Our next question.
46:17 --> 46:19 [SPEAKER_03]: Just want to make sure I get the wording right.
46:19 --> 46:22 [SPEAKER_03]: Our next question comes from Josh.
46:23 --> 46:24 [SPEAKER_03]: And thanks, Josh for the question.
46:24 --> 46:27 [SPEAKER_03]: He says, does Dylan more have something that
46:28 --> 46:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh boy, we're, we're, I mean, you can read it.
46:32 --> 46:34 [SPEAKER_03]: I read that, so I read this book.
46:35 --> 46:42 [SPEAKER_03]: So I read this book before we start the show, but I got so ingrained and distracted with Frank that I almost forgot this question was asked, but okay, here we go.
46:43 --> 46:51 [SPEAKER_03]: Josh asks, does Dylan more of something that he is using to blackmail John Stanton, Jerry DePoto, or Dan Wilson?
46:51 --> 46:54 [SPEAKER_03]: What else could possibly be the reason they still have him in the lineup?
46:56 --> 46:59 [SPEAKER_05]: to answer your question, Josh, thank you for submitting that.
47:01 --> 47:02 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think so.
47:05 --> 47:08 [SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, I don't have an answer to why Dylan Moore is still on the roster.
47:08 --> 47:09 [SPEAKER_05]: Does not make any sense.
47:10 --> 47:14 [SPEAKER_05]: I'd say the overarching point of this question is to ask, why is Dylan Moore still on the roster?
47:14 --> 47:19 [SPEAKER_05]: And as we talked about in the first part of this episode, I don't have a good answer for that.
47:20 --> 47:22 [SPEAKER_05]: No, no, I don't.
47:23 --> 47:25 [SPEAKER_05]: But no, I don't think Dylan Moore has any blackmail.
47:26 --> 47:27 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think so either.
47:28 --> 47:30 [SPEAKER_03]: We can't prove it, but we don't think so.
47:30 --> 47:31 [SPEAKER_04]: No.
47:32 --> 47:32 [SPEAKER_04]: No.
47:32 --> 47:37 [SPEAKER_04]: Do you have anything else to say about this question?
47:37 --> 47:48 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if I do other than, you know, we spend a decent amount of time talking about Demo at the start of the show, but since the answer is legitimately does he have blackmail on the owners of the front office and the manager.
47:49 --> 47:55 [SPEAKER_03]: Also this Josh, if you or anybody you know out there gets concrete information to back up your claim.
47:55 --> 48:03 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, you can send it right over to marinelayerpodogmail.com and we will review files for potential usage of information on said podcast.
48:04 --> 48:08 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we're good about reading disclosed private files.
48:09 --> 48:11 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah, yeah, we are.
48:11 --> 48:17 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think we read a lot of disclosed private files, but if hypothetically someone were to send us something, we would be able to read them.
48:18 --> 48:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Don't worry.
48:19 --> 48:19 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that's fine.
48:19 --> 48:23 [SPEAKER_03]: And by I don't think we read many of them, meaning I don't think we've ever read any ever.
48:24 --> 48:29 [SPEAKER_05]: So you can be the first Josh, but trust tree again, someone has something needs us to look at over.
48:30 --> 48:31 [SPEAKER_05]: Not public, we got you.
48:31 --> 48:32 [SPEAKER_05]: Don't worry about it.
48:33 --> 48:34 [SPEAKER_05]: Thank you for the question, Josh.
48:34 --> 48:41 [SPEAKER_05]: The next question is from Zander on Patreon and Zander's question is also along the line of Mariners nicknames.
48:42 --> 48:44 [SPEAKER_05]: Zander says of the great Mariners nicknames.
48:45 --> 48:46 [SPEAKER_05]: I'll give you a top five of mine.
48:46 --> 48:49 [SPEAKER_05]: I want to know what your guys' top five or favorite ones are.
48:50 --> 48:58 [SPEAKER_05]: His top five is Big Dumber, number one, kid number two, the king number three, the big unit number four, and Dan the man number five.
48:59 --> 49:00 [SPEAKER_05]: What else do you have?
49:01 --> 49:04 [SPEAKER_03]: Do you want me to make my own top five or just play off?
49:04 --> 49:05 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, make it top five.
49:06 --> 49:06 [SPEAKER_03]: Sorry.
49:06 --> 49:06 [SPEAKER_05]: That's what I meant.
49:06 --> 49:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Say.
49:07 --> 49:12 [SPEAKER_03]: In some order or another, the kid has to be on there and the king has to be on there.
49:12 --> 49:13 [SPEAKER_03]: Those two are staples.
49:13 --> 49:16 [SPEAKER_05]: So feel like they jumped or has to be on there too now.
49:16 --> 49:16 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
49:16 --> 49:16 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
49:16 --> 49:17 [SPEAKER_03]: So there's three.
49:17 --> 49:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
49:18 --> 49:20 [SPEAKER_03]: If you have to pick two more.
49:20 --> 49:22 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I love Boomstick for Nelly.
49:23 --> 49:24 [SPEAKER_03]: No, great.
49:24 --> 49:25 [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't even write that one down.
49:25 --> 49:25 [SPEAKER_03]: How did I miss that?
49:26 --> 49:28 [SPEAKER_03]: So I would probably say Boomstick.
49:29 --> 49:32 [SPEAKER_03]: And then, you know what's funny?
49:33 --> 49:42 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think this is quite gonna make my list, but you know, Brock and Saul apparently hated the maple grove when James Paxon was here.
49:42 --> 49:42 [SPEAKER_03]: What?
49:43 --> 49:44 [SPEAKER_03]: They hated it.
49:44 --> 49:45 [SPEAKER_03]: They hated stick-rizz.
49:45 --> 49:52 [SPEAKER_03]: They hated the maple grove because I guess they didn't like the idea that they were trying to badly spin off the idea of King's Court.
49:53 --> 49:57 [SPEAKER_03]: And apparently, apparently, back then, they just ripped it.
49:57 --> 49:58 [SPEAKER_03]: They couldn't stand it.
50:00 --> 50:04 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I always loved his nickname, like the Big Mabel was objectively a very cool nickname.
50:05 --> 50:10 [SPEAKER_05]: We're separating, I assume, the nickname itself and what they did off of the nickname.
50:11 --> 50:13 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, just just the nickname itself.
50:13 --> 50:15 [SPEAKER_03]: So I still got to think about one more.
50:15 --> 50:17 [SPEAKER_05]: One more that I really want is always a good one.
50:18 --> 50:19 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's a good one.
50:20 --> 50:26 [SPEAKER_05]: I love Walter, not as widely used, but it fits like a glove.
50:26 --> 50:31 [SPEAKER_03]: But like the only thing about Walter is, I still say this to this day.
50:31 --> 50:33 [SPEAKER_03]: What exactly is it?
50:33 --> 50:41 [SPEAKER_03]: I understand they've talked about it that they say it's Logan's alter ego and then alter plus W when he's on the mound is Walter, but there's like a lot of moving pieces there.
50:41 --> 50:46 [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm not saying I don't like the nickname, but in the top five, I feel like there's something else I might put above it.
50:47 --> 50:51 [SPEAKER_05]: And then the last one I wrote down that had slipped my mind because he hasn't been on the mirrors in a while.
50:51 --> 50:52 [SPEAKER_05]: It's sugar.
50:53 --> 50:54 [SPEAKER_03]: And one deus.
50:54 --> 50:55 [SPEAKER_03]: Sugar with a good one.
50:56 --> 51:02 [SPEAKER_03]: There's gotta be one more that I really liked, but I'm just not thinking of it in the moment.
51:03 --> 51:08 [SPEAKER_05]: So while you think, my top five is Big Dumper, Kid King, Big Unit, and Bone.
51:09 --> 51:16 [SPEAKER_03]: You see, part of me wants to pick big unit, but I don't like it's, it's, I don't want to pick all the cliches and I don't want to pick all the ones that Xander picks.
51:16 --> 51:17 [SPEAKER_03]: So I have three of them.
51:17 --> 51:18 [SPEAKER_03]: I put Boomstick on there for Nellie.
51:20 --> 51:21 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you know what I'm using?
51:22 --> 51:24 [SPEAKER_03]: I loved this one.
51:24 --> 51:27 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know why, but and you remember back we were in college.
51:28 --> 51:29 [SPEAKER_03]: I know which one you're about to bring up.
51:30 --> 51:31 [SPEAKER_03]: I loved it.
51:31 --> 51:34 [SPEAKER_03]: Gene Gene the hitting machine for Sagarah.
51:34 --> 51:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that is a good one.
51:36 --> 51:36 [SPEAKER_03]: I loved it.
51:37 --> 51:37 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
51:37 --> 51:38 [SPEAKER_05]: You were a big Gene Sagarah guy.
51:39 --> 51:46 [SPEAKER_03]: I was then you learned that, you know, fight breaks out in the clubhouse at the end of the year and he's like throwing haymakers at D Gordon and it's like, well,
51:47 --> 51:49 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe I'm not so much a jeans to grow up in after that.
51:49 --> 51:52 [SPEAKER_03]: And then they traded them, you know, two months after giving them an extension.
51:52 --> 51:56 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
51:56 --> 51:57 [SPEAKER_05]: Those are some good ones.
51:57 --> 51:59 [SPEAKER_05]: It's good to go down memory lane a little bit.
51:59 --> 52:00 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it is.
52:00 --> 52:00 [SPEAKER_05]: It's fun.
52:01 --> 52:03 [SPEAKER_05]: All right, one more.
52:03 --> 52:05 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, one more.
52:05 --> 52:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll read it.
52:06 --> 52:16 [SPEAKER_05]: The question comes from Caden on Patreon and Caden's question is, if you could extend a one player who would it be and what do you think a realistic deal might look like?
52:18 --> 52:20 [SPEAKER_03]: I'll answer this pretty seamlessly right now.
52:21 --> 52:25 [SPEAKER_03]: I think I know the answer you're going to go with, so I'm going to take a different one and I just fully believe this.
52:26 --> 52:39 [SPEAKER_03]: I would have gotten a Brian Wu extension done about three months ago because the idea that you could lock him up long term, he has had less than a full total complete season.
52:41 --> 52:44 [SPEAKER_03]: So like, you know, he hasn't built up the, he has been great.
52:44 --> 52:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Like nobody's a bigger Brian Wu supporter than me.
52:47 --> 53:02 [SPEAKER_03]: But the idea that he would cost a little less than Logan Gilbert right now, he hasn't built up the total dominance that Logan Gilbert has over being the huge, huge, two hundred plus innings eater yet and just dominating and being top ten in the league and strikeouts in a season or anything like that.
53:03 --> 53:06 [SPEAKER_03]: paired with the fact of how good he is and how good he can be long term.
53:06 --> 53:09 [SPEAKER_03]: I would have gotten that Brian Wu deal done about three months ago.
53:09 --> 53:14 [SPEAKER_03]: Once you saw him build off what he did in the second half last year and doing what he's doing this year, I would have done it.
53:15 --> 53:16 [SPEAKER_03]: And what do I think a deal would look like for him?
53:16 --> 53:22 [SPEAKER_03]: It's hard to know and like you can't predict exact numbers, but
53:23 --> 53:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Who's got what?
53:24 --> 53:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Entering this area at four years of club control?
53:27 --> 53:29 [SPEAKER_05]: No, I think he's got four after this year.
53:30 --> 53:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you're right, cause he came up in June of twenty three.
53:32 --> 53:35 [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, he's probably gonna be a super two, right?
53:35 --> 53:35 [SPEAKER_03]: But that doesn't matter.
53:35 --> 53:37 [SPEAKER_03]: You still have the four years of control.
53:37 --> 53:41 [SPEAKER_03]: I would be buying out like two to three free agent years at least.
53:41 --> 53:44 [SPEAKER_03]: So that's like a, it's a six seven year deal.
53:44 --> 53:50 [SPEAKER_03]: Sure, seven year deal for, I don't know, one, thirty, one, forty.
53:50 --> 53:51 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, probably.
53:52 --> 53:53 [SPEAKER_03]: I would I would do that.
53:53 --> 53:54 [SPEAKER_03]: Let's do the math.
53:54 --> 54:01 [SPEAKER_05]: That's like that's a that's kind of like the the Jose burio steel because I was looking at extension ideas for the guy.
54:01 --> 54:03 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to choose and I'll get to him here in a second.
54:04 --> 54:05 [SPEAKER_05]: But Jose burio city.
54:05 --> 54:07 [SPEAKER_05]: Twenty seven signed a seven year deal.
54:07 --> 54:11 [SPEAKER_05]: Eighteen A. V. And for you, it's still pretty good.
54:11 --> 54:12 [SPEAKER_05]: Then he was pretty young.
54:12 --> 54:17 [SPEAKER_05]: Not as good as Brian will, but he's still pretty good on he got eighteen million dollars a year on that extension.
54:18 --> 54:18 [SPEAKER_03]: So we win this deal.
54:18 --> 54:19 [SPEAKER_03]: We get twenty a year.
54:20 --> 54:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I would do that.
54:20 --> 54:21 [SPEAKER_03]: I would do that in a heartbeat.
54:23 --> 54:26 [SPEAKER_05]: So when I was looking at this, like I was my second choice.
54:26 --> 54:31 [SPEAKER_05]: The problem is when you have so many years until free agency, you're not actually extending him that much.
54:32 --> 54:38 [SPEAKER_05]: It's really in the simplest of terms, giving him like a two to three year extension after the control you already have.
54:38 --> 54:44 [SPEAKER_05]: So that's why I don't put that as high on the priority list as I would put Logan Gilbert, who's got two years left.
54:44 --> 54:47 [SPEAKER_05]: He's got half as much team control left with the Mariners.
54:47 --> 54:49 [SPEAKER_05]: And if you want to get a deal done with him,
54:50 --> 55:01 [SPEAKER_05]: Like, yeah, it's going to be a little bit more expensive, but you actually get better bang for your buck out of this extension because you're actually buying out those free agent ears that you'd otherwise be pitching with someone else.
55:02 --> 55:05 [SPEAKER_05]: When I'm looking at a Logan Gilbert extension, I was trying to find some comparisons for him.
55:06 --> 55:11 [SPEAKER_05]: In terms of how the deal would shake out, the best comparison I found was Tyler Glass now, actually.
55:12 --> 55:21 [SPEAKER_05]: Logan Gilbert is going to hit free agency at the same year that Tyler Glass now is supposed to hit free agency when he went, if he was going to hit free agency, he didn't.
55:21 --> 55:24 [SPEAKER_05]: The one year left, he signs a five year deal at the Dodgers.
55:25 --> 55:41 [SPEAKER_05]: So Logan, I would say after this year's science, like in an ideal world, a glass now extension, where he has, instead of four for each and years bought out, which by the way, actually glass now is extensions only four years technically with a fifth year option, team option.
55:43 --> 55:47 [SPEAKER_05]: Let's say the Mariners guarantee Logan that fifth year because he's got an extra year to go before free agency.
55:48 --> 55:52 [SPEAKER_05]: So they hand him a five year for a hundred and thirty six million dollar extension.
55:53 --> 55:56 [SPEAKER_05]: I know we want to extend Logan Gilbert for like two hundred plus million dollars.
55:57 --> 56:02 [SPEAKER_05]: There's not a lot of contracts out there that are for starting pictures that are longer than five million five years.
56:02 --> 56:05 [SPEAKER_05]: But Rio's I think is the only only one really.
56:06 --> 56:11 [SPEAKER_03]: It feels like we're, like, not we, but the league is starting to really stray away from that.
56:11 --> 56:17 [SPEAKER_03]: When you've seen how Straussburg's contract went and some of these other long deals went where it did not work.
56:18 --> 56:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you could throw Jordan Zimmerman into that.
56:21 --> 56:27 [SPEAKER_03]: I think teams are starting to shy away from those long deals for free agents, starting pitchers now and pitcher extensions.
56:28 --> 56:33 [SPEAKER_03]: and are leaning more toward the shorter deals with higher AAVs.
56:33 --> 56:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Now if Logan's okay with that, then sure.
56:36 --> 56:41 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know exactly what Logan and his camp wants because here's the other part of this, right?
56:43 --> 56:45 [SPEAKER_03]: Logan and no, sorry.
56:46 --> 56:49 [SPEAKER_03]: Scoobles gonna hit free agency a year before Logan Gilbert.
56:50 --> 56:53 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what Terry Scoobles is going to get in terms of a contract.
56:53 --> 56:54 [SPEAKER_03]: It's going to be a hell of a lot.
56:55 --> 56:58 [SPEAKER_03]: But if you're Logan Gilbert, obviously he is not Terry Scooble.
56:58 --> 57:07 [SPEAKER_03]: But when you see the contract, Scooble gets, if you're Logan and his agent, why wouldn't you try to take some little step down from that and say, give me that.
57:09 --> 57:16 [SPEAKER_05]: But in the same thing for Terry Scooble, I'll remember when Terry Scooble hits for agency, the lockouts coming.
57:17 --> 57:21 [SPEAKER_03]: It is, but somebody's going to give that guy four hundred million dollars.
57:21 --> 57:21 [SPEAKER_03]: Really?
57:23 --> 57:23 [SPEAKER_03]: Probably.
57:24 --> 57:25 [SPEAKER_03]: That is what he's worth.
57:26 --> 57:29 [SPEAKER_05]: But the teams, the owners know they're about to go into a workstoppage.
57:29 --> 57:31 [SPEAKER_05]: Why are they under pressure to sign him then?
57:31 --> 57:33 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I don't know.
57:33 --> 57:35 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, he has no leverage in the situation.
57:37 --> 57:40 [SPEAKER_05]: at that point, which is where this hurts both of these pictures.
57:41 --> 57:47 [SPEAKER_05]: At some point, I think Logan's looking at this and looking at how the future of the baseball finances are.
57:48 --> 57:52 [SPEAKER_05]: If he wants to sign with Seattle, he should get it done this off season.
57:53 --> 57:54 [SPEAKER_05]: Just get it done.
57:54 --> 57:55 [SPEAKER_05]: Don't worry about it.
57:56 --> 58:04 [SPEAKER_03]: How would you feel if the Mariners off season is sign, Logan Gilbert to an extension?
58:05 --> 58:09 [SPEAKER_03]: and you bring back Josh Nailer, but that's kind of it.
58:11 --> 58:15 [SPEAKER_05]: Not as, well, it depends what the end result of the season is.
58:15 --> 58:16 [SPEAKER_05]: They win the world series.
58:17 --> 58:18 [SPEAKER_05]: Great off season.
58:18 --> 58:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, that's, that's its own world.
58:21 --> 58:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Let's say, let's say it does not end in that.
58:24 --> 58:26 [SPEAKER_03]: And let's say they don't get to the world series.
58:26 --> 58:31 [SPEAKER_03]: Something below that, and that's the off season is that enough, because that's not new players.
58:31 --> 58:34 [SPEAKER_03]: They'll be retaining some players, and then you also have a third base spot open.
58:36 --> 58:43 [SPEAKER_05]: I think it would be a solid, very productive off season because I sit here and I think that this current team is definitely good enough.
58:44 --> 58:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so I would say good, you would be leaving some pieces up to chance.
58:49 --> 58:59 [SPEAKER_03]: But then again, there's a world where, at third base, if you get nothing else done, then it's been Williamson for a few months.
59:00 --> 59:03 [SPEAKER_03]: If he's still not hitting by that and Colt Emerson's ready by the All Star Break,
59:04 --> 59:15 [SPEAKER_03]: then you make a decision with Colton JP about like you slide JP to third for a couple months, you have Colt play third for a couple months in JP's final year under his contract and that's your solution paired with other deadline moves.
59:16 --> 59:16 [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
59:17 --> 59:22 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know man, this deadline's making me feel that these pictures are gonna get pressured into taking less.
59:22 --> 59:23 [SPEAKER_05]: Just to get the deal done.
59:24 --> 59:37 [SPEAKER_05]: because you don't know what kind of financial state these franchises are going to be in, once this workstoppage is over, and they've lost out on all of this money, and there could be a salary cap in place.
59:37 --> 59:54 [SPEAKER_05]: Even if the market value for Logan Gilbert, maybe he thinks is a higher AAV than the five for one, thirty, six that Tyler Glass now got, feel like that'd be a pretty solid chunk of change to lock yourself into for the future and hedge against whatever else could happen.
59:56 --> 59:58 [SPEAKER_03]: Cal Rally being here long-term absolutely helps.
59:58 --> 01:00:00 [SPEAKER_03]: There's no doubt.
01:00:01 --> 01:00:03 [SPEAKER_03]: Is that guaranteeing Logan Gilbert to sign an extension here?
01:00:03 --> 01:00:03 [SPEAKER_03]: No.
01:00:04 --> 01:00:08 [SPEAKER_03]: But we've talked about a plenty of course it helps and paired with the lockout.
01:00:08 --> 01:00:10 [SPEAKER_03]: You've got to think he's thinking about it.
01:00:10 --> 01:00:11 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, they've done so much for him.
01:00:12 --> 01:00:13 [SPEAKER_03]: You know the pitching development is great.
01:00:13 --> 01:00:15 [SPEAKER_03]: You know the team is going to be competitive for a while.
01:00:16 --> 01:00:18 [SPEAKER_03]: There's a real sales pitch to Logan Gilbert here.
01:00:18 --> 01:00:21 [SPEAKER_05]: The ballpark is the best place he's ever going to pitch in.
01:00:22 --> 01:00:24 [SPEAKER_05]: So like it works out there.
01:00:24 --> 01:00:29 [SPEAKER_05]: So I think I remember when you and I thought a lot earlier that Logan Gilbert would get over two hundred million dollars.
01:00:29 --> 01:00:34 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think Logan Gilbert's sniffing anywhere near two hundred million dollars, but it's not because he's not good enough.
01:00:34 --> 01:00:37 [SPEAKER_05]: It's because the length of contract will just not be long enough.
01:00:38 --> 01:00:44 [SPEAKER_05]: The other example in terms of like length, the second best pitcher and baseball Zack Wheeler, his contract's three years long.
01:00:45 --> 01:00:55 [SPEAKER_05]: now he's making forty two million dollars a year but it's only three years because he was thirty three and he signed it and he knows I think he's gonna retire when it's done I think that's what he said
01:00:56 --> 01:00:58 [SPEAKER_03]: How old will he be when I contract ends?
01:00:59 --> 01:01:00 [SPEAKER_05]: Three, five or thirty six.
01:01:00 --> 01:01:03 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he'll be a free agent at the end of twenty twenty seven.
01:01:03 --> 01:01:04 [SPEAKER_03]: So he's got two years left.
01:01:04 --> 01:01:05 [SPEAKER_03]: He's thirty five right now.
01:01:05 --> 01:01:08 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he'll probably be done when he's done.
01:01:08 --> 01:01:10 [SPEAKER_05]: I remember he said that's what he was going to do.
01:01:10 --> 01:01:13 [SPEAKER_05]: Um, and Logan's probably got two contracts left in him.
01:01:13 --> 01:01:15 [SPEAKER_05]: So he signs this five year deal.
01:01:16 --> 01:01:17 [SPEAKER_05]: He hits free agency.
01:01:18 --> 01:01:29 [SPEAKER_05]: Again, around this current Zach Wheeler age, and Zach Wheeler has shown that you can age very well if you take care of yourself and earn yourself another three-year deal for a monstrous price.
01:01:30 --> 01:01:30 [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
01:01:31 --> 01:01:34 [SPEAKER_03]: And for what it's worth, Logan is represented by Wasserman.
01:01:34 --> 01:01:37 [SPEAKER_03]: He's not a Scott Boris client, so it can happen.
01:01:37 --> 01:01:38 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, yes, it can.
01:01:39 --> 01:01:40 [SPEAKER_05]: But I like both those ideas.
01:01:40 --> 01:01:43 [SPEAKER_05]: I think those just should be priority number one and priority number two for an extension.
01:01:44 --> 01:01:44 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:01:45 --> 01:01:45 [SPEAKER_05]: Is that me right up?
01:01:46 --> 01:01:46 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm all for it.
01:01:47 --> 01:01:47 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
01:01:47 --> 01:01:58 [SPEAKER_05]: And less and less you're sitting there and thinking that you want to extend Randy, which I could hear a case for, but I don't think it takes priority over the top the cream of the crop starting pitching that you have.
01:01:58 --> 01:02:05 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, look, I love Randy and he's been such a jolt of energy and production for this team in the last calendar year or so, but
01:02:06 --> 01:02:09 [SPEAKER_03]: He, number one, Randy is represented by Scott Boris.
01:02:09 --> 01:02:10 [SPEAKER_03]: So he's getting to free agency.
01:02:11 --> 01:02:27 [SPEAKER_03]: But number two, even if he wasn't, that feels like a guy to me where if you really wanted to bring him back, you could make that judgment once he hits the market and you couldn't negotiate because, look, again, I really like Randy, but
01:02:28 --> 01:02:29 [SPEAKER_03]: This is his career year.
01:02:29 --> 01:02:31 [SPEAKER_03]: He's also thirty.
01:02:31 --> 01:02:34 [SPEAKER_03]: He'll be a free agent entering his age thirty two season.
01:02:34 --> 01:02:37 [SPEAKER_03]: He's never been a great defender other than this year.
01:02:37 --> 01:02:41 [SPEAKER_03]: He's usually like a two-ish wind player.
01:02:41 --> 01:02:51 [SPEAKER_03]: I just don't know if that's exactly where you want to spend long-term money on a guy who's already not a great defender and we'll see how his bat ages to.
01:02:51 --> 01:02:53 [SPEAKER_05]: Would you not give him another two years?
01:02:55 --> 01:02:56 [SPEAKER_05]: I've got another year after this.
01:02:57 --> 01:02:57 [SPEAKER_03]: Sure.
01:02:57 --> 01:03:00 [SPEAKER_05]: So you give him a two year until he's like thirty three.
01:03:00 --> 01:03:00 [SPEAKER_03]: For what?
01:03:01 --> 01:03:01 [SPEAKER_03]: Thirty five million.
01:03:02 --> 01:03:03 [SPEAKER_03]: His marty.
01:03:04 --> 01:03:04 [SPEAKER_05]: Twenty.
01:03:04 --> 01:03:05 [SPEAKER_05]: Say twenty or thirty five.
01:03:06 --> 01:03:06 [SPEAKER_05]: Thirty five.
01:03:07 --> 01:03:08 [SPEAKER_05]: Total.
01:03:09 --> 01:03:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Total.
01:03:09 --> 01:03:09 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:03:10 --> 01:03:10 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, not per year.
01:03:10 --> 01:03:11 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
01:03:11 --> 01:03:11 [SPEAKER_05]: Good.
01:03:11 --> 01:03:11 [SPEAKER_05]: No.
01:03:12 --> 01:03:13 [SPEAKER_05]: Thirty five million a year.
01:03:14 --> 01:03:14 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's fine.
01:03:14 --> 01:03:15 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:03:15 --> 01:03:16 [SPEAKER_05]: I think that's a good amount for Randy.
01:03:16 --> 01:03:18 [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe he would want twenty on the open market.
01:03:18 --> 01:03:19 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
01:03:19 --> 01:03:20 [SPEAKER_05]: So he's given him twenty on the open market.
01:03:21 --> 01:03:23 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think he's getting more than a three year deal.
01:03:24 --> 01:03:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Then yeah, I could be open to that, but again, he is represented by Scott Boris.
01:03:27 --> 01:03:31 [SPEAKER_03]: Scott Boris is going to go try to get him, you know, six for one, fifty or whatever.
01:03:32 --> 01:03:32 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:03:33 --> 01:03:34 [SPEAKER_03]: So we'll see.
01:03:35 --> 01:03:37 [SPEAKER_05]: But that's the only other option I can think about.
01:03:37 --> 01:03:39 [SPEAKER_05]: JP, I don't think he's getting extended.
01:03:39 --> 01:03:41 [SPEAKER_05]: I think the Mariners are going to let him walk.
01:03:42 --> 01:03:49 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, because look, JP has done a, like, he will go down as one of the all-time Mariners grades, too.
01:03:49 --> 01:03:50 [SPEAKER_03]: We've talked about that.
01:03:50 --> 01:03:53 [SPEAKER_03]: He's already in the top ten in a lot of categories, but
01:03:54 --> 01:04:10 [SPEAKER_03]: defense is really regressing and Colt Emerson's coming you know that when he gets here and he's ready like I think the Mariners have made that pretty clear his day that's the short stop of the future and that's not a knock on JP but you know there does come a certain time they gave him one contract
01:04:11 --> 01:04:22 [SPEAKER_03]: unless he was going to go play another position and take a shorter deal, feels like the Mariners would, like you said, probably let him walk in free agency.
01:04:22 --> 01:04:25 [SPEAKER_05]: And with the Mariners want him to play third, that's the other question.
01:04:25 --> 01:04:31 [SPEAKER_05]: Because like your other third base options at this moment of cults playing short is not incredibly long.
01:04:32 --> 01:04:37 [SPEAKER_05]: It's your question of, would you want the bat of JP or the defense of Ben at third base?
01:04:40 --> 01:04:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Ormuna Takamura Kami?
01:04:41 --> 01:04:47 [SPEAKER_05]: Which could solve both of those, but also as you mentioned in our reaction this morning on Thursday, he might not be a third baseman.
01:04:47 --> 01:04:49 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, he's a really bad defender.
01:04:49 --> 01:04:51 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, yeah, he's he, I don't know how much.
01:04:52 --> 01:04:53 [SPEAKER_03]: Sure.
01:04:54 --> 01:04:56 [SPEAKER_03]: He's got to take that strikeout rate way down.
01:04:57 --> 01:05:00 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, right now, I think he's strikeout about thirty eight percent of the time in the big leagues.
01:05:01 --> 01:05:01 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, maybe more.
01:05:02 --> 01:05:05 [SPEAKER_03]: This will be a conversation in the offseason plenty, but I was looking at this.
01:05:07 --> 01:05:17 [SPEAKER_03]: While Moona talk of Murakami as the chance to be the most dangerous bat to ever come out of Japan, because again, while Showhaze is going to be the greatest player to ever live, he didn't do in Japan offensively.
01:05:17 --> 01:05:20 [SPEAKER_03]: What Murakami has done, especially not over a long period of time.
01:05:20 --> 01:05:24 [SPEAKER_03]: Showhaze, highest home run total in Japan, was twenty two in a season.
01:05:24 --> 01:05:25 [SPEAKER_03]: That was back in twenty sixteen.
01:05:25 --> 01:05:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Murakami hit fifty six pumps back in twenty twenty two with a twenty percent strikeout rate.
01:05:32 --> 01:05:33 [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
01:05:34 --> 01:05:34 [SPEAKER_03]: Now,
01:05:35 --> 01:05:40 [SPEAKER_03]: if you look at say a Suzuki who wasn't quite twenty twenty two mirror comedy in Japan, but he was really good.
01:05:40 --> 01:05:45 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you're talking another one of the all time great bats in Japan over the four five year stretch he had.
01:05:46 --> 01:05:47 [SPEAKER_03]: He struck out
01:05:48 --> 01:05:51 [SPEAKER_03]: Fifteen percent of the time roughly in Japan.
01:05:51 --> 01:05:52 [SPEAKER_03]: Fifteen to seventeen percent.
01:05:53 --> 01:05:59 [SPEAKER_03]: Say it Suzuki's now striking out about twenty-six twenty-seven percent of the time in Major League Baseball.
01:06:00 --> 01:06:05 [SPEAKER_03]: And if Moona Takamura County the last couple years is striking out thirty percent of the time, which he is, what happens in the show?
01:06:05 --> 01:06:07 [SPEAKER_03]: Does it get up to forty-four percent?
01:06:08 --> 01:06:11 [SPEAKER_05]: And you're not a rosterable big leager if you're striking out that much.
01:06:12 --> 01:06:13 [SPEAKER_05]: You were going to get sent down.
01:06:14 --> 01:06:21 [SPEAKER_05]: But it's not like he's not signing the the the pre post or the the sub twenty five year old.
01:06:21 --> 01:06:26 [SPEAKER_05]: He's not signing that he's an unrestricted free agent.
01:06:27 --> 01:06:33 [SPEAKER_05]: Like, teams aren't going to hand him like a five for one hundred million dollar deal and then put him in AAA.
01:06:34 --> 01:06:45 [SPEAKER_05]: That's what happened to, if you remember this name out of Cuba, Ruzney Castillo, Red Sox gave him a shit ton of money and he spent most of that contract in AAA and was awful.
01:06:47 --> 01:06:47 [SPEAKER_05]: We do not want to do that.
01:06:48 --> 01:06:57 [SPEAKER_03]: It's funny, there was a couple Cuban contracts in a row that really worked, Puy, and then SESPID is, and then there was one other unblankin' on.
01:06:57 --> 01:06:59 [SPEAKER_05]: You worked pretty well.
01:06:59 --> 01:06:59 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:07:00 --> 01:07:01 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, Jose Bray, that was the other one.
01:07:01 --> 01:07:02 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:07:03 --> 01:07:07 [SPEAKER_03]: And the Red Sox were all sure themselves on Ruzney Castillo, they gave them all that money, and it was a disaster.
01:07:08 --> 01:07:09 [SPEAKER_03]: So, yeah, you're right.
01:07:10 --> 01:07:12 [SPEAKER_03]: His market's gonna be really interesting this winter.
01:07:12 --> 01:07:17 [SPEAKER_03]: His profile's gonna be really interesting, how teams approach him's gonna be really interesting, but you know what?
01:07:18 --> 01:07:19 [SPEAKER_03]: I love moonotaka murkami.
01:07:19 --> 01:07:20 [SPEAKER_03]: I said it in the reaction.
01:07:20 --> 01:07:25 [SPEAKER_03]: We've been waiting forever to talk about this dude because, you know, especially a couple of years ago when he had that year.
01:07:25 --> 01:07:31 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, oh, the Mariners need to like start a lot of money each of the next few years to give him everything they have when he comes over.
01:07:32 --> 01:07:37 [SPEAKER_03]: Now it's going to be a much more interesting conversation about who he is, but
01:07:38 --> 01:07:38 [SPEAKER_03]: It is August.
01:07:39 --> 01:07:41 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure we'll get into this plenty when the oxygen starts.
01:07:41 --> 01:07:48 [SPEAKER_05]: And I also wouldn't just assure anything like the first year someone comes over to play from Japan that that's what they are.
01:07:48 --> 01:07:55 [SPEAKER_05]: If you might remember, it took Show Hay until his fourth full season in Major League Baseball to be the player he is.
01:07:56 --> 01:07:58 [SPEAKER_05]: He was a boss his first thirty.
01:08:00 --> 01:08:08 [SPEAKER_05]: Especially this twenty season that twenty twenty season he was hurt awful at the plate and he pitched briefly right if I remember that
01:08:10 --> 01:08:12 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, I don't know if he was a bust, eighteen.
01:08:12 --> 01:08:14 [SPEAKER_03]: He won rookie the year was good.
01:08:14 --> 01:08:15 [SPEAKER_03]: He put up like five wins, nineteen.
01:08:15 --> 01:08:16 [SPEAKER_03]: He was pretty good.
01:08:16 --> 01:08:17 [SPEAKER_03]: Twenty was bad.
01:08:17 --> 01:08:18 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:08:18 --> 01:08:24 [SPEAKER_03]: But then twenty twenty one and on is when he went from, oh, this two-way guy from Japan to, oh, show.
01:08:24 --> 01:08:25 [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, Otani.
01:08:25 --> 01:08:27 [SPEAKER_05]: He was not generational.
01:08:27 --> 01:08:27 [SPEAKER_05]: He was just good.
01:08:27 --> 01:08:29 [SPEAKER_05]: He was, he was fun to watch.
01:08:29 --> 01:08:30 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
01:08:30 --> 01:08:31 [SPEAKER_03]: That's, that's right.
01:08:31 --> 01:08:31 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
01:08:33 --> 01:08:35 [SPEAKER_03]: And Murakami's going to be interesting.
01:08:35 --> 01:08:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Speaking of show, hey, though.
01:08:36 --> 01:08:38 [SPEAKER_03]: Max Muncie's about to be a free agent.
01:08:38 --> 01:08:39 [SPEAKER_03]: He's going to the Dodgers.
01:08:40 --> 01:08:40 [SPEAKER_03]: Murakami.
01:08:41 --> 01:08:43 [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe that's the mayor of his third basement.
01:08:43 --> 01:08:45 [SPEAKER_05]: Although, Muncie's also not a good third basement.
01:08:45 --> 01:08:45 [SPEAKER_05]: No.
01:08:46 --> 01:08:46 [SPEAKER_03]: Much.
01:08:47 --> 01:08:48 [SPEAKER_03]: Murakami's probably going to be a Dodger.
01:08:48 --> 01:08:50 [SPEAKER_03]: Are we still going to talk about this over the offseason?
01:08:50 --> 01:08:51 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, but he's a Dodger.
01:08:51 --> 01:08:53 [SPEAKER_05]: Do you have a Mariners just signed Max Muncie?
01:08:55 --> 01:08:55 [SPEAKER_03]: I can be down.
01:08:56 --> 01:08:56 [SPEAKER_03]: Sure.
01:09:00 --> 01:09:03 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm still looking forward to talking about Murkame in the offseason because he's really fun.
01:09:03 --> 01:09:05 [SPEAKER_05]: Murkame in K-Tuck.
01:09:05 --> 01:09:06 [SPEAKER_05]: Team it up.
01:09:06 --> 01:09:08 [SPEAKER_03]: Now that is an offseason people.
01:09:09 --> 01:09:10 [SPEAKER_03]: That's an offseason.
01:09:11 --> 01:09:11 [SPEAKER_03]: I be all for that.
01:09:11 --> 01:09:12 [SPEAKER_03]: That would be so fun.
01:09:12 --> 01:09:13 [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
01:09:13 --> 01:09:14 [SPEAKER_03]: That was a good mail bag.
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