Lyle and TJ react to the Mariners losing 2/3 to the Mets, capped off with an underwhelming performance on national TV (6:55). The two of them jump around to a couple different subjects, discussing Julio's near-incident on the Williamsport berm earlier in the day (32:33), and Victor Robles' crashout down in Tacoma (38:49). They wrap up reacting to the roster moves made over the weekend (52:35).
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01:22 --> 01:32 [SPEAKER_02]: And we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Lair podcast part of the just baseball podcast network recording here on Sunday evening August, seventeen.
01:33 --> 01:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's be honest, Lyle.
01:35 --> 01:40 [SPEAKER_02]: You were kind of jealous of the mariner's getting to slide down that Hill and Williams port on the cardboard boxes weren't you?
01:40 --> 01:41 [SPEAKER_02]: weren't you?
01:41 --> 01:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, so jealous.
01:44 --> 01:44 [SPEAKER_00]: So jealous.
01:45 --> 01:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Dude, it was nothing but my overarching dream growing up to go to Williamsport.
01:51 --> 01:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Literally nothing but an overarching dream.
01:53 --> 01:56 [SPEAKER_00]: And honestly, yes, I was jealous.
01:56 --> 01:57 [SPEAKER_00]: There's no other way to put it.
01:57 --> 01:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I was incredibly jealous.
01:59 --> 02:02 [SPEAKER_00]: That is such a cool event and such a cool environment.
02:04 --> 02:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Which field would you rather hit on?
02:05 --> 02:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, let's say I give you some, like I give you a BP session and you have two choices.
02:11 --> 02:22 [SPEAKER_02]: You could either hit on the full size field, but you're not guaranteed to hit a dinger or I could let you hit on the one the little leagueers play on with the hill and see how far you could hit it up there to relive your dream.
02:23 --> 02:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'm hitting it, Lomity.
02:24 --> 02:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Are you kidding?
02:25 --> 02:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm hitting it, Lomity.
02:27 --> 02:29 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not even close.
02:29 --> 02:33 [SPEAKER_00]: What's the meaning or the sentimental value behind the field that they play these games at?
02:33 --> 02:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Nothing.
02:34 --> 02:35 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just an old baseball field.
02:35 --> 02:35 [SPEAKER_00]: It's fine.
02:36 --> 02:39 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's just a small, basically minor league ballpark.
02:39 --> 02:40 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm going a Lomity.
02:40 --> 02:46 [SPEAKER_00]: By the way, there are two parks, chosen respective volunteer field as well, which is right next to it.
02:46 --> 02:47 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't have that information memorized like you.
02:48 --> 02:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry.
02:49 --> 02:49 [SPEAKER_00]: It's fine.
02:49 --> 02:55 [SPEAKER_00]: So volunteer field is basically where all the international games get played in the bracket and all the most of the U.S.
02:55 --> 02:59 [SPEAKER_00]: games get played over at Lamedy, which is the famous field and the field with the Hill.
02:59 --> 03:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I'm hitting it the little league stadium even now in my mid-twenties because I'm going to hit a nuke to the top of the hill at this point and it's going to be like the coolest thing ever, despite it only be in two hundred twenty five feet.
03:11 --> 03:17 [SPEAKER_02]: We went to Williamsport Lyle and I did in twenty-nineteen when we were driving across the country to our internship in the Cape Lake.
03:17 --> 03:21 [SPEAKER_02]: I did have to have Lyle show me around for what most of the things are.
03:21 --> 03:22 [SPEAKER_02]: What the stadiums were.
03:23 --> 03:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'd never been there, but I knew exactly what it all was.
03:26 --> 03:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you did.
03:26 --> 03:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'd like watch the games on TV, but I didn't know the names of the stadiums.
03:30 --> 03:39 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't even know they played the international teams and the American-based teams played games at different stadiums until you told me when we were there.
03:41 --> 03:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Some of the games intertwine, I guess once there's less and less games during a day and once the tournament progresses on, all the games get played at Lamedy, because that's the main field.
03:54 --> 04:00 [SPEAKER_00]: But, yeah, early on in the tournament, it's the international side that plays over at the other stadium volunteer field.
04:01 --> 04:06 [SPEAKER_00]: But, yeah, that was such a dream of mine growing up.
04:06 --> 04:09 [SPEAKER_00]: We had a really, really good team for it too.
04:10 --> 04:28 [SPEAKER_00]: But we only got to like we we still lost in our district tournament during our twelve year old all star year because our district was one of the best districts in the state of Washington which also had Mercer Island in it which is who we lost to who ended up the year before going all the way to Williamsport and that year getting all the way to
04:30 --> 04:33 [SPEAKER_00]: They got to the state finals and lost to Auburn, I think.
04:33 --> 04:34 [SPEAKER_00]: But we had a kid.
04:35 --> 04:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he'll hear this.
04:36 --> 04:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Shadow Connor, Connor Johnson.
04:37 --> 04:46 [SPEAKER_00]: But we had a kid who threw legitimately like eighty miles an hour, maybe more as a twelve year old and was hitting like three hundred seventy something foot nukes as a twelve year old.
04:47 --> 04:49 [SPEAKER_00]: He was, I say this to these to this day.
04:49 --> 04:51 [SPEAKER_00]: He is the best little league player I've ever seen in my entire life.
04:53 --> 04:55 [SPEAKER_00]: but he was only one pitcher.
04:55 --> 04:55 [SPEAKER_00]: We didn't have it.
04:55 --> 05:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, you always need two pitchers on a tournament like that to really progress, but we only really had one that year.
05:02 --> 05:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you weren't pitching?
05:04 --> 05:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I wish.
05:06 --> 05:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I was, again, similar to similar to the high school baseball team, where I always say I was a glorified cheerleader.
05:13 --> 05:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't quite that on the All-Star teams growing up, but I was close to the last guy on those roster.
05:19 --> 05:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I was always one of the bench guys, but literally you still have to play, so I'm getting a bad every game.
05:22 --> 05:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I play a couple of things in the field, but no, I was not pitching, believe me.
05:27 --> 05:30 [SPEAKER_02]: There was the kid, which team was it for this tournament?
05:30 --> 05:38 [SPEAKER_02]: There's a kid throwing eighty-two, which, whoa, it was an eighty-two at forty-five feet, the equivalent of one-o-seven.
05:40 --> 05:40 [SPEAKER_00]: It's something like that.
05:41 --> 05:41 [SPEAKER_00]: It's really hard.
05:41 --> 05:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm telling you, this dude who I grew up playing with and played high school baseball with, too.
05:48 --> 05:50 [SPEAKER_00]: When we were in Little League, he did not get hit.
05:51 --> 05:54 [SPEAKER_00]: It was, I mean, he was throwing no hitters on the daily.
05:55 --> 05:56 [SPEAKER_02]: That's crazy.
05:56 --> 06:00 [SPEAKER_02]: I remember in our little league, we did have one player, one player like that.
06:01 --> 06:03 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think he ever played all stars, though.
06:03 --> 06:04 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna be honest.
06:04 --> 06:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Was he always a travel ball kid?
06:05 --> 06:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Is that what it was?
06:06 --> 06:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he was travel ball.
06:08 --> 06:13 [SPEAKER_02]: He made varsity as a high school freshman, started as a high school freshman on varsity.
06:13 --> 06:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Super good.
06:14 --> 06:18 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if he went and played anywhere, but he was huge.
06:19 --> 06:23 [SPEAKER_02]: He hit his growth spots, spurred super early, always the best player.
06:24 --> 06:28 [SPEAKER_02]: on every little league roster we played in an entire north central little league league.
06:29 --> 06:31 [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, our league never really made it anywhere.
06:31 --> 06:35 [SPEAKER_02]: We weren't as stacked as as the kids over in Kirkland.
06:35 --> 06:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so somebody that I know will hear this.
06:40 --> 06:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, so Connor and I've been friends a long time, but somebody that I know that the two of us know or maybe he'll hear it himself will hear this.
06:45 --> 06:49 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, shout out Connor Johnson while we're on the topic of little league baseball shout out to him.
06:50 --> 06:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately,
06:51 --> 06:55 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners were not throwing no hitters and hitting nukes in their game at Williamsburg.
06:55 --> 06:55 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
06:56 --> 06:58 [SPEAKER_00]: They did really misplay that fly ball.
06:58 --> 07:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it was really talking about the communication.
07:00 --> 07:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that was Dom's ball.
07:02 --> 07:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know who it was.
07:03 --> 07:04 [SPEAKER_02]: It was probably Dom's ball.
07:04 --> 07:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, Julio's going to be aggressive in center because he's a fabulous defender in center field, arguably the best out there at probably second or third best behind Denzel Clark and PCA.
07:14 --> 07:19 [SPEAKER_02]: But regardless, so good that he sometimes deserves the benefit of doubt to be aggressive.
07:19 --> 07:21 [SPEAKER_02]: But in that one, he fucked up.
07:22 --> 07:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Dallas mistake and let the ending go on longer and Kirby was already getting hit pretty hard and he got the the fly ball he needed to to I think they would have gotten him out of the inning and the mayor's instead messed it up and kind of typical of the first six games of this road trip while we're like the details weren't really dialed in right if you want to be if I want to be a little bit more frank instead of just making some cliche gesture about the team that they played like a bunch of little leaders
07:48 --> 07:50 [SPEAKER_02]: They haven't been like that dialed in.
07:50 --> 07:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I saw Brock tweet this out and I totally agree with it.
07:53 --> 07:58 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't feel like the details were all like down these six games for six games of the road trip.
07:58 --> 08:08 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, so maybe that part's not playing like little leaders, but if you feel like there was a little bit less like execution of the small details, that's fair.
08:09 --> 08:09 [SPEAKER_02]: It was just a layup.
08:09 --> 08:11 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they're literally playing in Williamsport.
08:12 --> 08:12 [SPEAKER_02]: I know.
08:12 --> 08:13 [SPEAKER_02]: I know.
08:13 --> 08:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to throw that out in a random May.
08:16 --> 08:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Mariners game where they lose.
08:18 --> 08:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's see the first series to the Orioles where they lost.
08:20 --> 08:22 [SPEAKER_02]: They got swept at home.
08:22 --> 08:23 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't bring it out then.
08:23 --> 08:25 [SPEAKER_02]: I had to bring it out for this occasion instead.
08:26 --> 08:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Because they are playing in Williamsport in front of a bunch of kids.
08:28 --> 08:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Also, can I mention something to ESPN, please?
08:35 --> 08:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I'm so happy these kids have the opportunity to ask questions to the players mid-inning.
08:42 --> 08:45 [SPEAKER_02]: But if we're going to put someone on the mic, can they be ready?
08:45 --> 08:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I'm not going to ask the question.
08:49 --> 08:55 [SPEAKER_02]: The first, I'm not trying to make this like a trash session, but did you listen to the first kid who asked a question?
08:55 --> 08:57 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it was to Peter Lanzo during the broadcast.
09:00 --> 09:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, Pete was getting interviewed.
09:01 --> 09:10 [SPEAKER_02]: I think in the second or third inning of this, so they would call ravage at Water Perez, David Cohen, they'd all, you know, they'd be talking to Pete.
09:11 --> 09:16 [SPEAKER_02]: And then they put one little leager on the headset to ask Pete a question.
09:16 --> 09:19 [SPEAKER_02]: And this little leager's nickname also was polar bear.
09:19 --> 09:20 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's why they put them on the mic.
09:20 --> 09:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Awesome opportunity.
09:22 --> 09:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Super cool.
09:24 --> 09:26 [SPEAKER_02]: at understandably, kid was a little nervous.
09:27 --> 09:30 [SPEAKER_02]: It took him like twenty seconds to get the question out the Pete.
09:31 --> 09:35 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like twenty seconds of silence in the middle of the inning.
09:35 --> 09:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Like I get there trying to incorporate like everyone in, but it wasn't like when they were getting the kids on the mic, it wasn't a smoothest operation in the world.
09:45 --> 09:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe this is just me as a fan from a far, finding something to complain about with this, with this murder series.
09:53 --> 09:56 [SPEAKER_00]: The first ten minutes of this show, you're sounding a lot like a Karen.
09:57 --> 09:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, that's fine.
09:59 --> 10:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's fine.
10:00 --> 10:04 [SPEAKER_02]: We need a little bit of diversity on this podcast, diversity of opinion.
10:04 --> 10:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that might be on popular, and again, I understand their kids, but like, we're also trying to watch baseball game.
10:13 --> 10:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's not a radio broadcast.
10:15 --> 10:16 [SPEAKER_00]: You can see everything that's happening.
10:17 --> 10:17 [SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
10:18 --> 10:20 [SPEAKER_02]: I would just say the silence was like a little awkward.
10:20 --> 10:21 [SPEAKER_02]: It was a little forced, I'll say.
10:22 --> 10:23 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what it felt like.
10:23 --> 10:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Like ESPN is had people will be with ESPN about these mid-ending interviews for a long time.
10:30 --> 10:39 [SPEAKER_02]: So when they're adding in these extra layers to the in-game interview, the mid-ending interview, then like, you know, it stacks up.
10:39 --> 10:41 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not going to be the only person who says something about this.
10:42 --> 10:42 [SPEAKER_00]: That's probably right.
10:44 --> 10:46 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, I guess, I guess you're all right.
10:46 --> 10:47 [SPEAKER_02]: It was great.
10:47 --> 10:48 [SPEAKER_02]: I love watching the Mariners on national TV.
10:48 --> 10:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Unfortunately, just didn't go as well as the last time they played the Mets on Sun and I baseball.
10:53 --> 10:53 [SPEAKER_02]: I liked that.
10:53 --> 10:55 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll come a lot better than this one.
10:56 --> 10:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, the last time they absolutely throttled on this time they did not.
11:01 --> 11:03 [SPEAKER_02]: God, what else from this game?
11:03 --> 11:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Or what else from this series?
11:04 --> 11:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Like the Mets have been so bad.
11:06 --> 11:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Like they've been so bad.
11:07 --> 11:15 [SPEAKER_02]: We're just kind of like disappointing when you look at the last two series and see that the Mariners had the starting pitching in lineup advantage.
11:15 --> 11:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Five of these first six games of this road trip and only managed to win two of the games.
11:21 --> 11:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
11:21 --> 11:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Like that's kind of disappointing.
11:23 --> 11:47 [SPEAKER_02]: the only game where they didn't have both the lineup and starting pitching advantage was when Logan started against Logan Evans started against the Orioles and that was the bearers have had that one's probably a wash again like told me you keep a god on the mariner shit ahead to right but i mean in like clear advantage not wash advantage i'm a advantage they had five six i'm just yeah i'm just saying
11:48 --> 11:56 [SPEAKER_00]: This is a man who, friend of the pod, and just baseball extraordinaire Peter Apple is very, very firmly stamped that he could take deep.
11:57 --> 11:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Our friend Peter Apple is not play baseball past high school.
12:01 --> 12:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
12:01 --> 12:03 [SPEAKER_00]: That's, that's who they faced on Thursday.
12:03 --> 12:04 [SPEAKER_00]: They didn't win.
12:04 --> 12:08 [SPEAKER_02]: And the meds weren't rolling out the world's most impressive lineup of starting pictures either.
12:09 --> 12:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I get the, I guess they got their pitching lab figured out, but Sean Maniah, not, he's not a world beater.
12:16 --> 12:17 [SPEAKER_02]: No one McLean.
12:17 --> 12:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Is that how you say his name?
12:18 --> 12:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks, though.
12:19 --> 12:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
12:19 --> 12:22 [SPEAKER_02]: On Saturday, making his big league debut, pitched well.
12:23 --> 12:25 [SPEAKER_02]: And then, and then play homes tonight.
12:27 --> 12:30 [SPEAKER_00]: always happen to the Mariners against guys making their debut.
12:30 --> 12:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Yet they have no problems hitting Terriq's scuba.
12:34 --> 12:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Go figure.
12:36 --> 12:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Like Clayholms tonight was like on the ropes, they had him.
12:39 --> 12:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Cole gets a pitch right down the middle with the bases loaded and he pops it up.
12:43 --> 12:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Like those those are just kind of the things you have to deal with.
12:46 --> 12:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
12:47 --> 12:48 [SPEAKER_02]: And you're going to have to execute.
12:49 --> 12:56 [SPEAKER_02]: And the Mariners didn't, and the Met's, the Met's did against Kirby, who outside of the first time through the lineup, got smacked around by the Met's.
12:56 --> 12:58 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's just, it's disappointing.
12:58 --> 13:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Because as I mentioned in our reaction, that like, we've line up all these advantages the Mariners have.
13:03 --> 13:07 [SPEAKER_02]: And you see that George Kirby is a two eight year A in his last twelve starts.
13:07 --> 13:09 [SPEAKER_02]: And then the Met smacked him around.
13:10 --> 13:14 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's kind of frustrating, but also that's just kind of how baseball works sometimes.
13:14 --> 13:16 [SPEAKER_02]: You're not going to be great every series.
13:16 --> 13:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Doesn't matter who you play.
13:18 --> 13:24 [SPEAKER_00]: So because I don't have a ton of takeaways from the series other than they needed to play better and they needed to take advantage really in both series.
13:24 --> 13:25 [SPEAKER_00]: They've been on the road for so far.
13:27 --> 13:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe this is a decent time to spend a minute or two here on I think that it's been a minute or two here on something that I think could be a little bit of a dilemma for the Mariners, the rest of the way.
13:38 --> 13:38 [SPEAKER_00]: And that is
13:39 --> 13:54 [SPEAKER_00]: We haven't really dug into what a couple of these mariners starters have looked like the third time through an order this year and George Kirby pitching the way he pitched on Sunday night feels like a decent time to bring this up because you just said it really after the first time through the order.
13:55 --> 13:58 [SPEAKER_00]: He started to struggle and that is.
13:59 --> 14:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Logan Gilbert and George Kirby are really, really having issues the third time through the order this year.
14:04 --> 14:09 [SPEAKER_00]: If you want the exact numbers, I'm just trying to make sure I have it right and pulled up here.
14:09 --> 14:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I know they have this on reference.
14:15 --> 14:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for some reason, I'm just like,
14:18 --> 14:18 [SPEAKER_00]: blanking.
14:19 --> 14:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I
14:45 --> 14:52 [SPEAKER_00]: There are opposing hitters, OPSA nine hundred against Logan Gilbert, the third time through the order this year in twenty twenty five.
14:53 --> 15:07 [SPEAKER_00]: So if you're somebody that's worried about the Mariners bullpen, this is where this argument could really more come into play, which is if you want George Kirby and Logan Gilbert pitching in the postseason, which they're going to because they are going to line up in that rotation, come October.
15:09 --> 15:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you run them out a third time through the order, knowing the issues they've had, third time through this year, or do you have to try to ask your bullpen, which is already shaky to begin with, to cover extra innings?
15:22 --> 15:30 [SPEAKER_02]: I would, for these two specifically, I would rather the two of them be out there than Carlos Vargas or Edward Bizarro.
15:30 --> 15:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's fine, but you're saying, and if that's what you're saying,
15:35 --> 15:40 [SPEAKER_00]: These are guys that are nothing short of getting crushed the third time through the order all year.
15:41 --> 15:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And you're saying you're running that risk.
15:43 --> 15:49 [SPEAKER_02]: But we also have examples of last year where Logan Gilbert had a seven nineteen OPS, third time through the order.
15:49 --> 15:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Now just note note this.
15:53 --> 16:03 [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like that number is just reflective of of Logan Gilbert's twenty twenty five season on like the scale of going first second third time through the order.
16:03 --> 16:07 [SPEAKER_02]: He's just in general been getting been not as effective this year.
16:07 --> 16:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Like there's a reason for that.
16:09 --> 16:16 [SPEAKER_02]: because he's, you know, in opera in opera two times, gotten his pitch cup, pitch count up, and gotten hit around a little bit.
16:16 --> 16:18 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's the big reason why he is not getting to the innings load.
16:18 --> 16:20 [SPEAKER_02]: He was that last year.
16:20 --> 16:27 [SPEAKER_02]: But even last year, Lyle, he, you know, first, like going first, second, third time through the order is also sort of escalating.
16:28 --> 16:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying, Logan's whip is still under one for the year.
16:31 --> 16:34 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not like he's quote-unquote struggle.
16:34 --> 16:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I understand he hasn't worked deep into games as much this year, but that's the reason right there.
16:38 --> 16:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Because he's just not, he's not been as effective second time through against batters as getting them out.
16:45 --> 16:49 [SPEAKER_00]: So I say it again, which side do you take?
16:49 --> 16:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Not just come to postseason, but the rest of the way during games you really need to win.
16:53 --> 16:57 [SPEAKER_00]: And I understand if you're answer is, yeah, I don't want to turn the ball over to Carlos Vargas and other guys in that bullpen.
16:58 --> 17:06 [SPEAKER_00]: But you're asking two guys that essentially have a nine hundred OPS against the third time through the order to try to pitch through that order again.
17:06 --> 17:09 [SPEAKER_00]: That feels like you're playing with fire.
17:09 --> 17:13 [SPEAKER_02]: And Kirby, by the way, is seven thirty seven OPS, third time through last year.
17:13 --> 17:23 [SPEAKER_02]: So both have taken both of a grass quite a bit in that case, which it doesn't make that much sense because those two guys are the best a quick equipped out of any Mariners starter to adjust third time through.
17:24 --> 17:27 [SPEAKER_02]: They have the deepest arsenals, and they have arguably the best command.
17:28 --> 17:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Sand's Brian Wu, but Brian Wu doesn't have the depth of pitches those those two have.
17:33 --> 17:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Which is why it is kind of puzzling.
17:34 --> 17:36 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm I'm right with the starters here.
17:36 --> 17:37 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.
17:37 --> 17:38 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't trust the Mariners.
17:38 --> 17:40 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't trust that part of the Mariners.
17:40 --> 17:40 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.
17:40 --> 17:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't trust the Mariners.
17:41 --> 17:42 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't trust that part of the Mariners.
17:42 --> 17:42 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.
17:42 --> 17:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't trust the Mariners.
17:43 --> 17:44 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't trust that part of the Mariners.
17:44 --> 17:46 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't trust that part of the Mariners.
17:46 --> 17:47 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't trust that part of the Mariners.
17:47 --> 17:49 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't trust that part of the Mariners.
17:49 --> 17:50 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't trust that part of the Mariners.
17:50 --> 17:51 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't trust that part of the Mariners.
17:51 --> 17:53 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't trust that part of the Mariners.
17:53 --> 17:54 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't trust that part of the Mariners.
17:54 --> 17:55 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't trust that part of the Mariners.
17:55 --> 17:56 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't trust that part of the Mariners.
17:56 --> 17:57 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't trust that part of the Mariners.
17:57 --> 17:58 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't trust that part of the Mariners.
17:58 --> 17:59 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't trust that part of the Mariners.
17:59 --> 17:59 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't
18:01 --> 18:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I did just want to play some devil's advocate.
18:03 --> 18:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm with you if you have to pick one you're banking on those two to figure it out and give you the run that you need the third time through and improve down the stretch rather than turning it over to those other guys because you're right.
18:15 --> 18:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I understand like we've talked about on the podcast that you can win in a postseason with a bad bullpen like the Rangers didn't twenty three like the nationals didn't twenty nineteen I'm sure there's other examples.
18:26 --> 18:27 [SPEAKER_00]: You're right.
18:27 --> 18:34 [SPEAKER_00]: If it comes to having a pitch and high pressures at high pressure situations, you have to ride with the guys that have done it before.
18:34 --> 18:38 [SPEAKER_00]: And the guys that you are banking on to help make you
18:39 --> 18:40 [SPEAKER_00]: a threatening team this year.
18:40 --> 18:44 [SPEAKER_00]: And to do that, those are George Kirby and Logan Gilbert.
18:45 --> 18:49 [SPEAKER_00]: That's who you're leaning on along with your offense to be a threatening team.
18:49 --> 18:53 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not Carlos Vargas, it's not other guys like that and that bullpen.
18:53 --> 18:59 [SPEAKER_02]: And laying out the scenario, we're assuming that the pitchers are throwing well into this game.
18:59 --> 19:02 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't just want to pull them because the order is coming up to the third time.
19:03 --> 19:14 [SPEAKER_02]: What's what I think about is like a game like tonight where George Kirby gets knocked out second slash third time through early in the game.
19:14 --> 19:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Like he's not even getting to the sixth inning.
19:16 --> 19:17 [SPEAKER_02]: We're not talking about pitching to the sixth.
19:18 --> 19:19 [SPEAKER_02]: He just got knocked around period tonight.
19:20 --> 19:46 [SPEAKER_02]: instead of like oh George gets through five innings facing the order two times had a few base runners but not a ton of them would we rather have Vargas or Brzardo or Kirby to go back out there I'm still yeah Kirby easy easy decision yeah I would too I do too I just hope those guys can figure it out a little bit down the stretch because they they need length out of those guys you you you just do yeah um
19:47 --> 19:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have that many other takeaways from this series because it was just more that the Mariners didn't play their best baseball.
19:54 --> 19:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I hope they improve in Philly.
19:55 --> 19:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
19:55 --> 20:00 [SPEAKER_02]: And it was also kind of annoying because every team you needed to lose today lost.
20:00 --> 20:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Every single one Cleveland lost Detroit lost Houston lost, uh, the, uh, Vanky's lost Boston Boston Boston Boston Boston lost everyone needed to lost.
20:14 --> 20:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
20:15 --> 20:16 [SPEAKER_02]: And the Mariners couldn't take advantage.
20:16 --> 20:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, over the course of the entire weekend, the Mariners didn't lose any ground in any playoff position, which is overall positive and kind of washes out what happened with the Mets.
20:28 --> 20:30 [SPEAKER_02]: But you would like to win these games because these games are winnable.
20:30 --> 20:33 [SPEAKER_02]: And you're better team than the Mets.
20:34 --> 20:43 [SPEAKER_02]: So look, I'm not going to freak out because the Mariners lost two series when you look at the roster, the roster is good.
20:44 --> 20:45 [SPEAKER_02]: The roster is good.
20:46 --> 20:53 [SPEAKER_02]: There's no reason to sit there and use this as a reason to be like, all right, so we're on the mountain top last week.
20:54 --> 20:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Now we're back in the gutter because the team couldn't win.
20:58 --> 21:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, don't you have a text to read along those lines or DM me?
21:01 --> 21:02 [SPEAKER_02]: God, yes, I do.
21:03 --> 21:04 [SPEAKER_02]: God, what do you mean?
21:04 --> 21:05 [SPEAKER_00]: All the time.
21:05 --> 21:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay.
21:05 --> 21:16 [SPEAKER_00]: So while you pull that up, uh, there's something else I, that was, that I heard before the game started tonight on Sunday night baseball that didn't make any rounds.
21:17 --> 21:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess it didn't get clipped anywhere, but I was watching baseball tonight at about four o'clock because that's when the game was supposed to start.
21:24 --> 21:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, it got pushed back till about four, forty five.
21:27 --> 21:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Pacific time.
21:28 --> 21:36 [SPEAKER_00]: But Buster only is talking on baseball tonight about what he's seen in Williamsport and things he's observed and he said, you know,
21:38 --> 21:40 [SPEAKER_00]: in terms of the players interacting with all the lily kids.
21:41 --> 21:51 [SPEAKER_00]: He said I was talking to Dylan more earlier and Dylan more was saying that he was playing whiffleball with some of the kids from Japan and I talked to him afterwards and he said, yeah, those kids struck me out like ten times.
21:56 --> 21:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I know it's whiffleball and I'm sure they're just messing around.
21:59 --> 22:05 [SPEAKER_00]: But the irony, maybe it's not even irony, but
22:06 --> 22:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Just the symbolism with that is something that Dylan more matches up against literal kids and strikes out.
22:15 --> 22:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
22:16 --> 22:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah.
22:18 --> 22:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I know it's wealth of all and I know like I know it's easy to miss with those with all bats and maybe Dylan wasn't trying as hard as, but still like the symbolism of that is
22:31 --> 22:31 [SPEAKER_00]: interesting.
22:31 --> 22:33 [SPEAKER_00]: We might get to him a little bit more later.
22:33 --> 22:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
22:34 --> 22:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
22:34 --> 22:39 [SPEAKER_02]: So let me preface what I'm about to read by reiterating my last statement.
22:40 --> 22:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I am not freaking out after six games of subpar play.
22:44 --> 22:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to do that.
22:45 --> 22:49 [SPEAKER_02]: However, I don't think every Mariners fan thinks the same way.
22:50 --> 22:52 [SPEAKER_02]: We got a response on Twitter that I have to read.
22:53 --> 22:53 [SPEAKER_02]: I have to read.
22:54 --> 22:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe this is a Frank impression.
22:56 --> 22:58 [SPEAKER_02]: And by the way, Lao hashtag Frank was wrong.
23:00 --> 23:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, the merits didn't get swept.
23:01 --> 23:03 [SPEAKER_00]: No, the merit is did not sweep the meds.
23:03 --> 23:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Despite what Frank had to say on Friday after the merit is won and he was right absolutely lose it.
23:10 --> 23:10 [SPEAKER_02]: But now he has nothing.
23:11 --> 23:12 [SPEAKER_02]: He has to be happy this weekend.
23:14 --> 23:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
23:14 --> 23:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Happy enough.
23:15 --> 23:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Happy.
23:16 --> 23:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
23:16 --> 23:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know Frank's ever truly thrilled with the map.
23:19 --> 23:22 [SPEAKER_02]: There's there's still only a game up and play off position.
23:22 --> 23:23 [SPEAKER_02]: I believe so.
23:24 --> 23:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's matter of perspective.
23:25 --> 23:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Anyways, here is, uh, here's a reply we got.
23:28 --> 23:32 [SPEAKER_02]: I will leave this, uh, this person's account, nameless.
23:32 --> 23:34 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure if you looked hard enough, you could find it.
23:36 --> 23:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Beware, there's plenty of profanity in here.
23:38 --> 23:49 [SPEAKER_02]: This team has no fight or urgency, and they shrivel up, pout, and quit, like a bunch of spoiled and titled pussy, like pussy's when adversity hits.
23:50 --> 23:54 [SPEAKER_02]: If they have any room to feel sorry for themselves, like they've won anything ever.
23:54 --> 23:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Losers lose.
23:57 --> 24:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Everyone else is playing with a winner go home, playoff mindset.
24:01 --> 24:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we look like we want to win in our mind to our momies about how unfair life is.
24:08 --> 24:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Most embarrassing follow-up actions in time for the ALS lead in acting like we won the World Series.
24:14 --> 24:16 [SPEAKER_02]: When, if we win the ALS, it'll just be
24:17 --> 24:23 [SPEAKER_02]: be a three seat no buy because there's a mix of language in here.
24:25 --> 24:29 [SPEAKER_02]: No buy because these piss poor efforts versus the mats, the Orioles, the sub five hundred teams.
24:30 --> 24:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Heads need to roll with the coaching staff that didn't change one bit when Dan was hired, mood was just a publicity stunt to save phase without making any actual philosophical strategic changes.
24:40 --> 25:07 [SPEAKER_02]: so we got Randy batting lead after trying to hit a home run on every swing because it's all he cares about getting his numbers up so he can get paid in free agency winning eight his number one priority yet he's who we trust to set the tone uh... with a league leading with rate over co-young's mature approach of looking to draw walks in battle uh... that could actually give cow holio a runner on when they come up instead of watching a horrible strikeout from a guy swinging out of his shoes with zero situational hitting adjustments
25:09 --> 25:12 [SPEAKER_00]: That guy didn't really take his grammar seriously, Denny.
25:13 --> 25:14 [SPEAKER_00]: No, that was tough one for me to read.
25:15 --> 25:20 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of mixed words and like improper spelling in there wasn't there.
25:20 --> 25:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, not no periods used.
25:23 --> 25:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no periods.
25:25 --> 25:26 [SPEAKER_02]: One giant run on sentence.
25:27 --> 25:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, with a lot of with a lot of words mixed up that should have been in other places.
25:31 --> 25:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the grammar on that was really bad on his end, not your end, but I guess I guess not all fans can wash this series away and move on.
25:39 --> 25:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess people are maybe we maybe we let Frank get too much out into the Mariners ether and he's rubbed off on people.
25:48 --> 25:53 [SPEAKER_02]: I think we're bad for releasing that clip on on on Friday.
25:54 --> 25:57 [SPEAKER_02]: For the show clip with Frank.
25:57 --> 25:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Like you said, it reached too many people.
25:59 --> 26:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, we let Frank get too far into the Mariners ether and he's rubbed off on people because we got people saying things like that.
26:06 --> 26:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Nobody cares.
26:07 --> 26:08 [SPEAKER_00]: They want to cry to their mom.
26:08 --> 26:11 [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, instead of playing winning baseball.
26:13 --> 26:21 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, and again, just to think about that, like, one week ago, you and I were sitting here having the best time we've ever had as Mariners fans.
26:21 --> 26:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Sans when they will beat the Blue Jays in the playoffs.
26:25 --> 26:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Like that's it.
26:27 --> 26:28 [SPEAKER_00]: That was one week ago.
26:28 --> 26:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Now we got people back to this.
26:31 --> 26:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't you just love fans?
26:34 --> 26:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like clearly that clearly while Julio doesn't care enough, he was too busy focusing on which cardboard cutout he was going to ride down the hill and Williamsport today instead of preparing for his atpats against clay homes.
26:47 --> 26:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Clearly that was the case.
26:48 --> 26:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh god.
26:50 --> 26:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, can we talk about this Hill situation for a second?
26:52 --> 26:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was good.
26:53 --> 26:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I was, I was going to say we can get to that here in a second.
26:56 --> 27:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I was trying to think there was something else within that that I was going to rattle off.
27:01 --> 27:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought what maybe I lost my domain.
27:03 --> 27:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Do we want to do we want to rehash this?
27:05 --> 27:08 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I think I think one's enough airtime for that DM.
27:08 --> 27:11 [SPEAKER_00]: We don't like again, well, no fight.
27:11 --> 27:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Everyone else is playing with the winner go home playoff mindset.
27:14 --> 27:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I know what it is.
27:15 --> 27:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
27:16 --> 27:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I know it is.
27:17 --> 27:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I think Frank rubbed off on Mariners fans, not just from our podcast, but also from his Friday reaction when the Mariners won that game and he lost his mind because the analogy he used after the Metz lost on Friday sounded a lot like that text.
27:31 --> 27:36 [SPEAKER_00]: And his analogy was watching the Metz is literally like watching the fucking Wizard of Oz.
27:37 --> 27:43 [SPEAKER_00]: He said, we've got a manager with no brains, a team with no heart, and a GM with no courage.
27:48 --> 27:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Which for those who haven't seen the Wizard of Oz, I'm guessing most of you have, but those are like the three things that the other characters in the movie are searching for.
27:57 --> 28:00 [SPEAKER_00]: A brain, courage, and a heart.
28:01 --> 28:04 [SPEAKER_00]: So Frank decides to take advantage of the analogy and use it for the meds.
28:06 --> 28:07 [SPEAKER_02]: That is a good one.
28:07 --> 28:09 [SPEAKER_00]: See, this is why Frank is the best.
28:09 --> 28:10 [SPEAKER_00]: This is why he's the goat.
28:11 --> 28:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Dude, nobody, every time I say to myself, nobody will ever do it like him again.
28:17 --> 28:19 [SPEAKER_00]: There could be mad fans on social media through the years.
28:20 --> 28:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Nobody will ever do it like him ever again.
28:22 --> 28:24 [SPEAKER_00]: The run he's on is so unprecedented.
28:25 --> 28:26 [SPEAKER_00]: It just can't ever be repeated.
28:26 --> 28:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you think people are rich who have kids?
28:29 --> 28:30 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll tell their kids about Frank the Tank?
28:33 --> 28:33 [SPEAKER_02]: No.
28:34 --> 28:35 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't think so.
28:35 --> 28:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Dude, you think you think they won't have their kids?
28:39 --> 28:40 [SPEAKER_01]: You think that is an example?
28:42 --> 28:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe as an example of not what not to be, but then everyone grows up and you're like, you know what was really funny back in the day?
28:49 --> 28:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Break the tank.
28:50 --> 28:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, dude, he had Diana Rusini on his podcast, which if there's football fans that also listen to this podcast, you know she is.
28:58 --> 29:01 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're not a football fan, she's one of the lead NFL journalist.
29:01 --> 29:02 [SPEAKER_00]: She works at the athletics.
29:02 --> 29:03 [SPEAKER_00]: She breaks a lot of news.
29:03 --> 29:05 [SPEAKER_00]: She used to be on ESPN.
29:06 --> 29:26 [SPEAKER_00]: and she goes on Frank's pod and they're talking about that clip from a couple weeks ago where Frank got caught on camera from up in like the three hundred level melting down and freaking out on the main level the third base row at a meds game like basically on ground level and he was just yelling and hollering and cursing after a meds loss and
29:27 --> 29:31 [SPEAKER_00]: And it says on his podcast, she's like, so I've got two kids.
29:31 --> 29:36 [SPEAKER_00]: And we've actually been practicing this sort of thing recently, how to deal with winning and how to deal with losing.
29:36 --> 29:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And she said, I'm going to be honest, if I was with my kids and I saw that at a game, I look at him and say, who in the world is that guy?
29:43 --> 29:45 [SPEAKER_00]: That's not who I want my kids watching.
29:45 --> 29:48 [SPEAKER_00]: And then Jenks is producer, it says, let's tough love Frank.
29:48 --> 29:49 [SPEAKER_00]: What do you have to say?
29:49 --> 30:02 [SPEAKER_00]: They're doing this pod wall, a Met's game's going on, and Francisco Alver has, like, fucked something up, because as soon as he gets asked the question, Frank starts biting the chew toy of his, and he goes, there it is, Francisco!
30:02 --> 30:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, for us!
30:04 --> 30:06 [SPEAKER_00]: He calls him Francisco, Oh for us!
30:06 --> 30:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, it goes over all the time.
30:07 --> 30:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Just start screaming immediately after the questions asked.
30:10 --> 30:17 [SPEAKER_00]: So to answer your question, I don't think kids are shown Frank the tank by their parents.
30:18 --> 30:24 [SPEAKER_02]: I think in twenty-five years, kids will be shown Frank the tank.
30:26 --> 30:27 [SPEAKER_02]: That's my prediction.
30:29 --> 30:29 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what?
30:30 --> 30:32 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll show my kids Frank the tank.
30:32 --> 30:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
30:33 --> 30:38 [SPEAKER_02]: And then I'll bring Uncle Lyle along to have him tell the great stories of one Frank Fleming.
30:39 --> 30:45 [SPEAKER_02]: And then you're gonna, we're gonna show the, we're gonna show them the video of, of Frank when he's writing his blog.
30:45 --> 30:48 [SPEAKER_02]: He's writing his blog about the mess.
30:49 --> 30:53 [SPEAKER_02]: And then like every ten seconds he has to stop and clap and bite something.
30:54 --> 30:56 [SPEAKER_02]: And then he goes back to typing.
30:56 --> 30:59 [SPEAKER_02]: And then he has to stop again and bite even harder.
31:02 --> 31:03 [SPEAKER_00]: That got tweeted out again here on Sunday.
31:03 --> 31:07 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like Frank's doing a med stream tonight and that video is tweeted with it.
31:07 --> 31:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
31:08 --> 31:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's just like met stream.
31:10 --> 31:16 [SPEAKER_00]: They've been playing terribly buster only on the broadcast and then the video was tweeted out, which we didn't get to that with Frank either.
31:16 --> 31:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I wish we had Frank as much as he despises things like the meds, chapel, Ron, et cetera.
31:21 --> 31:22 [SPEAKER_00]: He also despises buster only.
31:23 --> 31:26 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, if only they're playing the brave snacks too.
31:26 --> 31:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.
31:28 --> 31:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Wait, are they playing the Braves next?
31:30 --> 31:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, they just played the Braves.
31:31 --> 31:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry.
31:32 --> 31:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
31:32 --> 31:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Because his other least favorite thing of all time is the Atlanta Braves.
31:37 --> 31:38 [SPEAKER_02]: More specifically.
31:39 --> 31:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Ah, the chop.
31:40 --> 31:41 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
31:42 --> 31:43 [SPEAKER_00]: He hates that champ.
31:44 --> 31:45 [SPEAKER_00]: A blooper.
31:46 --> 31:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, him too.
31:46 --> 31:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, blooper.
31:47 --> 31:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he hates everything about the Braves.
31:49 --> 32:18 [SPEAKER_02]: and mean my blooper very strategically got a video with buster only this year and tweets it at prank whatever possible do that blooper twitter accounts crazy that is really good it is one of the best ones i've seen i wish the moose was that funny the mayor has been never let the moose make a twitter account and do that no way uh... do we want to talk about this hill situation today with julio well there's two
32:19 --> 32:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Mariners away from Big League team incidents that we need to talk about.
32:24 --> 32:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this one happened with the Big League team.
32:26 --> 32:28 [SPEAKER_00]: It was just at the Lily Games and Williamsport.
32:28 --> 32:31 [SPEAKER_00]: One with Julio, one with, uh, good old Victor Robes.
32:31 --> 32:34 [SPEAKER_02]: And we'll get to that big dude.
32:34 --> 32:36 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll talk about that one second.
32:36 --> 32:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Save it.
32:37 --> 32:39 [SPEAKER_00]: But good Lord.
32:39 --> 32:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so we're those who missed it here on Sunday.
32:44 --> 32:49 [SPEAKER_00]: everybody's hanging out with all the kids at Williamsport before the Mariners Metz game on Sunday Night baseball.
32:49 --> 32:50 [SPEAKER_00]: And this happens every year.
32:50 --> 32:52 [SPEAKER_00]: This game's been going on for seven, eight years now.
32:53 --> 32:54 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's a really cool tradition.
32:54 --> 33:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that like this is why we started with talking about how much I admired Williamsport growing up because I thought it was insanely cool as a kid.
33:01 --> 33:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I know all these kids now do too, where big leaders come to town, they hang out during the morning and afternoon during the Lily World Series, then they go play their game, all the Lily kids go get to watch.
33:11 --> 33:11 [SPEAKER_00]: It's awesome.
33:11 --> 33:23 [SPEAKER_00]: And a lot of players now like to go slide down the big hill with a cardboard box, which if you didn't know TJ or if other people who don't watch the Lilly World Series didn't know, that's been a longstanding tradition of Williamsport forever.
33:23 --> 33:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Kids do it, parents do it.
33:25 --> 33:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Everybody kind of does it.
33:26 --> 33:27 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a very cool thing to do.
33:28 --> 33:30 [SPEAKER_00]: All the ESPN personalities seem to do it every year.
33:30 --> 33:31 [SPEAKER_00]: They love it.
33:31 --> 33:32 [SPEAKER_00]: So a lot of players do it now.
33:33 --> 33:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, Julio wanted to get in on the tradition.
33:37 --> 33:40 [SPEAKER_00]: So he slid down the hill with a cardboard box here on Sunday.
33:40 --> 33:41 [SPEAKER_00]: It was great.
33:42 --> 33:50 [SPEAKER_00]: like he was going pretty fast, he goes downhill, there's a bunch of kids around, they're cheering, Julio, Julio, and he slides down the hill, and he gets up.
33:51 --> 33:58 [SPEAKER_00]: And then some security lady happened to slip, fell down the hill in her own right, and nearly takes out his ACL.
33:58 --> 34:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Now he's fine, and ended up being fairly light contact, and nothing happened, he wanted to make sure the lady herself was okay, because it was this poor security lady at Williamsport who just happened to slip and fall.
34:11 --> 34:23 [SPEAKER_00]: There were a lot of tweets that were basically exactly what I was thinking in my own head, going out right after that video got tweeted out, which was, this was almost the most single Seattle Mariners thing to ever happen.
34:24 --> 34:27 [SPEAKER_00]: They almost just had an Edwin D as moment in the WVC.
34:28 --> 34:52 [SPEAKER_02]: right in prime playoff position like national televised on camera like the mariner's were promote in the crap out of it but instead of like making a fun video of it it would have instead been like like John Boy media getting a hold of the a hold of the video footage and tweeting out here's how Julio Rodriguez tore his ACL at Williamsport the mariner season is over now
34:53 --> 35:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, dude, it was, did you notice that during the Sun and I baseball broadcast, they showed Julio sliding down the hill on the cardboard box.
35:00 --> 35:02 [SPEAKER_00]: They cut it off very quickly.
35:02 --> 35:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you can't have that.
35:04 --> 35:07 [SPEAKER_00]: He slid on the cardboard box, gets down to the bottom of the hill.
35:07 --> 35:08 [SPEAKER_00]: That's the end of the clip.
35:09 --> 35:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, they're going to keep doing this, but maybe they should, maybe we should space people out a little bit more.
35:15 --> 35:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's, there were a lot of kids.
35:17 --> 35:18 [SPEAKER_02]: I get Julio's popular.
35:18 --> 35:23 [SPEAKER_02]: There were probably two hundred kids combined top and bottom for him, at least.
35:24 --> 35:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Like there were a lot of people around which mean, yeah, on the hill, which mean that they needed a lot of security and just so many bodies around him for literally just slide down the hill.
35:34 --> 35:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Why don't we like lighten it up a little bit?
35:37 --> 35:39 [SPEAKER_00]: like put some rope up where you have to stand.
35:39 --> 35:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't even.
35:41 --> 35:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Don't make the rope visible but like like let's make it's like it's safe for the kids because they get to slide down on like clear grass.
35:50 --> 35:54 [SPEAKER_02]: They have like a section they slide down where there's not much interference in the way.
35:54 --> 35:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Clearly it was literally like sliding into kids because there were so many people who wanted him.
36:00 --> 36:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, but that wasn't what ended up nearly taken.
36:03 --> 36:07 [SPEAKER_02]: I know, but the reason the security guard is there is because there are so many kids around.
36:07 --> 36:07 [SPEAKER_02]: I know.
36:08 --> 36:09 [SPEAKER_00]: That could have been.
36:09 --> 36:13 [SPEAKER_00]: We don't need to spend that much time on this, but I'm very glad he had fun and that the whole team had fun.
36:14 --> 36:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm very glad he's OK, but man, that was probably inches away from me in a lot worse.
36:19 --> 36:24 [SPEAKER_02]: And to be fair, the security lady probably got a bigger brunt of the fall than Julio got.
36:25 --> 36:26 [SPEAKER_02]: So like, let's
36:27 --> 36:39 [SPEAKER_02]: I'd like to like bring myself down to remember that in a situation like this where there are two human beings evolved, not one human being on a pedestal in a player and a securely, oh, I don't care about the security lady at all.
36:39 --> 36:42 [SPEAKER_02]: No, like let's try and make it safer for everybody too.
36:42 --> 36:43 [SPEAKER_02]: So this doesn't happen.
36:44 --> 36:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, thank you.
36:45 --> 36:46 [SPEAKER_02]: That's my PSA.
36:46 --> 36:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Also, if the Mariners star center feel there could not have his legs taken out in the middle of a playoff run, that'd be awesome.
36:53 --> 36:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that would be a lot better than how it usually goes in Mariners history.
36:58 --> 36:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
36:58 --> 37:09 [SPEAKER_00]: There's like could could you imagine that what we like everybody would be sitting here and saying here like on Monday morning if that I would have said the seasons over.
37:11 --> 37:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Here is like we would like for for two people that just had Frank on their own podcasts we would have been Frank here on this show for Monday morning if that had happened because it's not like
37:22 --> 37:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Julio had his knee lock up on a play in the outfield, but that would be awful in its own right, but you can't control those things when they happen, because that's just a, you know, that happens in baseball sometimes.
37:32 --> 37:39 [SPEAKER_00]: It unfortunately happened to Johnny Farmelo during a game last summer, but again, if it had happened in that way,
37:40 --> 37:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the narrative's around it.
37:43 --> 37:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.
37:44 --> 37:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Like again, we wouldn't have been nothing down on this podcast.
37:48 --> 37:53 [SPEAKER_00]: If that had actually happened in that way, that is literally the Edwin DS situation, except it's probably worse.
37:53 --> 37:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Eddie at least is celebrating a win.
37:55 --> 37:57 [SPEAKER_00]: They just got on a bill by his own teammates.
37:58 --> 37:58 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what?
37:59 --> 38:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Actually, you know what that would remind me of.
38:01 --> 38:02 [SPEAKER_00]: This just popped into my head.
38:02 --> 38:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Back in twenty, fifteen.
38:06 --> 38:18 [SPEAKER_00]: It was somewhere between twenty fourteen and twenty sixteen, Derek Holland of the Rangers, missed an entire year because he like tripped over his cat and his house, fell down a flight of stairs and destroyed his knee.
38:19 --> 38:20 [SPEAKER_00]: It would have been like that.
38:21 --> 38:22 [SPEAKER_02]: would have not been very good.
38:22 --> 38:24 [SPEAKER_02]: No, that's, that's to say the least.
38:24 --> 38:31 [SPEAKER_02]: It would have been very similar, except ranked up a little bit to our Victor Oblast episode earlier this season for shadowing.
38:32 --> 38:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, which if you have not seen this video and you're not online and you don't know what we're talking about with a Julio thing, it's not very hard to find if you just go on Twitter or go on Instagram and just like type in Julio Rodriguez Williamsport or whatever.
38:45 --> 38:49 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like John Boy tweeted it out, other accounts tweeted it out, you can find it.
38:50 --> 38:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, let's talk about the other scenario today for the Seattle Mariners.
38:53 --> 38:58 [SPEAKER_02]: You might have heard that Victor Robless is on a rehab assignment with the Tacoma Rainiers right now.
38:58 --> 39:00 [SPEAKER_02]: He needs to get fifty plate appearances in great.
39:00 --> 39:01 [SPEAKER_02]: So he's got all these games.
39:01 --> 39:01 [SPEAKER_02]: He's got to play.
39:02 --> 39:04 [SPEAKER_02]: He has had a tough week down in Vegas.
39:05 --> 39:06 [SPEAKER_02]: He's been hit a handful of times.
39:07 --> 39:11 [SPEAKER_02]: And today he got sick of it.
39:12 --> 39:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Victor Robless got hit by a pitch in the third inning of Sunday's game, and proceeded to have one of the greatest crash outs, I think I've ever seen in any level of baseball.
39:24 --> 39:27 [SPEAKER_02]: It was truly something.
39:29 --> 39:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you want me to now detail it out.
39:31 --> 39:32 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, I'll picture it for people.
39:33 --> 39:37 [SPEAKER_00]: So I will say that's the guy that hit Victor Robless is a guy by the name of Joey Estes.
39:37 --> 39:38 [SPEAKER_00]: He's been a big leader.
39:39 --> 39:40 [SPEAKER_00]: He's spent time in the majors.
39:41 --> 39:42 [SPEAKER_00]: He is hit Victor Robles.
39:42 --> 39:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Now twice this week, while the Mariners have been playing in Vegas, I believe.
39:47 --> 39:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're in Vegas.
39:48 --> 39:50 [SPEAKER_00]: He's been hit twice this week by Joey S this.
39:51 --> 39:55 [SPEAKER_00]: He's now been hit four or five times total and S this also hit him in the big leagues last year.
39:56 --> 39:58 [SPEAKER_00]: So Joey S is hit Robles three times.
39:59 --> 40:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And today when Robles gets hit,
40:02 --> 40:08 [SPEAKER_00]: He crouches down for a minute, maybe he's in a little bit of pain, and then he just sees red.
40:08 --> 40:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he just snaps.
40:10 --> 40:18 [SPEAKER_00]: He shocked first, like if you have somehow not seen this yet, which same thing, it's not hard to find if you go anywhere online and try to find this Victor Robo's video.
40:18 --> 40:22 [SPEAKER_00]: He chucks his bat out toward the mound, like holding it by the,
40:22 --> 40:27 [SPEAKER_00]: like the handle, chucks it out toward the mound, and then tries to charge the mound in fury.
40:27 --> 40:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Benches clear.
40:29 --> 40:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Robles has to be held back.
40:30 --> 40:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Everybody has to be separated.
40:32 --> 40:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Then Victor Robles goes back to the dugout, and totally channels his best rice-ella glacias from twenty-twenty-two when he takes a big bucket of sunflower seeds and gator or no, not gator.
40:44 --> 40:49 [SPEAKER_00]: It was like sunflower seeds and gum, and chucks those out onto the field as he's in the dugout, walking back to
40:49 --> 41:02 [SPEAKER_00]: or the clubhouse, so Victor Robles, again, like you said, gets hit, chucks his bat at the mound, tries to charge the mound, benches clear, everybody separated, then he chucks a big bucket of sunflower seeds onto the field as he's leaving the game.
41:03 --> 41:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Vic is one of the nicest people, supposedly.
41:06 --> 41:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Or he is, per everyone who's talked to him.
41:09 --> 41:11 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, in the man's ork.
41:11 --> 41:13 [SPEAKER_00]: He's nice when he's always nice when we talk to him.
41:13 --> 41:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so to see that, it's like shocking the level of just crash.
41:18 --> 41:21 [SPEAKER_02]: It was the definition of crash out.
41:21 --> 41:22 [SPEAKER_02]: He had on that baseball field.
41:23 --> 41:30 [SPEAKER_02]: I've, no, it has been a while since I've seen someone snap like that and go to the, like, go to the levels that Victor Robless did.
41:30 --> 41:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Like think of what needs to go through your head for the decision after you get hit by a pitch no matter how frustrating it is or how much it hurts.
41:39 --> 42:00 [SPEAKER_02]: that the decision is going to be I'm going to pick up my bat and chuck it at the pitcher then I'm going to charge the mound from home plate he didn't try and get closer first thing he did snap boom tries to throw it at the pitcher and well he he got out of a system I'm glad he did because he's probably going to get suspended now for it probably for like a week
42:01 --> 42:05 [SPEAKER_02]: But this does not benefit his rehab assignment at all.
42:06 --> 42:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Does not benefit his rehab.
42:09 --> 42:10 [SPEAKER_02]: I was worried he's going to get hurt again.
42:10 --> 42:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Like what if he hurt his shoulder?
42:12 --> 42:16 [SPEAKER_02]: I the comments saying looks like his shoulders okay got a kick out of them.
42:17 --> 42:18 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought that was kind of funny.
42:18 --> 42:18 [SPEAKER_02]: That was good.
42:19 --> 42:24 [SPEAKER_02]: I was going to worry though when he picks up the bat and he decides to throw it again, that he's going to hurt his shoulder.
42:24 --> 42:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Like that's more weight than you have to throw baseball with.
42:28 --> 42:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's can't be good when that's what you have to do.
42:32 --> 42:36 [SPEAKER_02]: So, we're on different sides of this.
42:37 --> 42:40 [SPEAKER_02]: I was not a huge fan of what Victor did.
42:40 --> 42:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I totally understand it.
42:41 --> 42:42 [SPEAKER_02]: He's been hit a lot this week.
42:43 --> 42:45 [SPEAKER_02]: It hurts when you get hit.
42:45 --> 42:48 [SPEAKER_02]: It hurts when you get hit by the same pitcher and it's frustrating.
42:48 --> 42:49 [SPEAKER_02]: It is so frustrating.
42:50 --> 42:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Could he have just thrown his bat anywhere else?
42:54 --> 42:56 [SPEAKER_02]: anywhere else besides at the pitcher because guess what?
42:57 --> 43:03 [SPEAKER_02]: He gets tossed out of the game, costs it out the pitcher, maybe walks halfway out to the mound, maybe even runs at the pitcher.
43:03 --> 43:06 [SPEAKER_02]: He might not get suspended at all because he doesn't touch him, right?
43:07 --> 43:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Or maybe one game's suspension, which is not that big a deal.
43:10 --> 43:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Chuck is bad on the ground, runs halfway out to the mound, screams at the pitcher, gets his frustrations out, boom done.
43:16 --> 43:25 [SPEAKER_02]: But he instead throws his bat, clearly at the pitcher, and will earn himself an extra at least weak of suspension, just because of where he decided to throw his bat.
43:26 --> 43:31 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not going to have the biggest impact in the world on the Mariners, but to say it has no impact is totally wrong.
43:32 --> 43:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Whether he gets suspended a week right now, or a week once he gets back to the big leagues, that's a weak, less of games you get from Victor Robless, and I'll tell you what.
43:40 --> 43:43 [SPEAKER_02]: It's better to have Victor Robless on this roster than some of the other guys on here.
43:44 --> 43:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Can we just clear the narrative on one thing?
43:47 --> 43:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Victor Robles is not being suspended forty five games or these insane numbers that people are throwing out as guesses today after seeing this all and so that is not happening.
43:57 --> 44:03 [SPEAKER_00]: He is not getting suspended forty games for this or whatever people are throwing out there because I'll give you a couple of examples.
44:04 --> 44:06 [SPEAKER_00]: This happened, not this exact thing.
44:07 --> 44:14 [SPEAKER_00]: But remember in twenty twelve, between Manima Chato in the A's, when he chucked his bat in a fight ensued, now he chucked it down the third baseline.
44:14 --> 44:20 [SPEAKER_00]: People guessed it was meant to be chucked at the pitcher, but it went down the third baseline as a result physically.
44:21 --> 44:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Mani got five games for that.
44:23 --> 44:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Chucking about, got five games.
44:25 --> 44:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Jose Ramirez basically clocked and destroyed Tim Anderson in a fight a couple years ago in Cleveland.
44:32 --> 44:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Jram got three games for that.
44:33 --> 44:36 [SPEAKER_00]: A clean punch to the face falls to the ground in a fight.
44:37 --> 44:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Three games.
44:38 --> 44:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Victor Robas is not being suspended for forty games.
44:41 --> 44:48 [SPEAKER_00]: He'll probably get somewhere between five and ten games, but let's chill out with the whole, he may not play the rest of the season.
44:48 --> 44:49 [SPEAKER_00]: That's not gonna happen.
44:49 --> 44:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just, I just gotta talk people off the ledge about that for a second.
44:53 --> 45:01 [SPEAKER_00]: You would really, really have to, like, not that this wasn't crazy, but you would really have to do something extreme to not play the game.
45:01 --> 45:06 [SPEAKER_02]: What you would have to do is you'd have to go out to the mound with the bat and try and beat up the pitcher.
45:07 --> 45:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it would be like if you went out there with the mountain, yes, and like started swinging your bat at people.
45:12 --> 45:12 [SPEAKER_00]: That would be crazy.
45:13 --> 45:14 [SPEAKER_02]: That would be crazy.
45:14 --> 45:15 [SPEAKER_02]: That is not what Victor did.
45:15 --> 45:24 [SPEAKER_02]: But what Victor did was, in my opinion, for a, for a big leager, it just like can't happen.
45:25 --> 45:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Can't happen.
45:28 --> 45:29 [SPEAKER_02]: What are you smiling at?
45:29 --> 45:31 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was electric.
45:31 --> 45:32 [SPEAKER_02]: It was electric.
45:33 --> 45:33 [SPEAKER_02]: But it can't happen.
45:35 --> 45:40 [SPEAKER_02]: You can understand everything that happens with the situation and how this could be so frustrating with Vic.
45:41 --> 45:42 [SPEAKER_02]: And still say no.
45:43 --> 45:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Like we need you and you just you chucked your bat at the pitcher throw it into the ground.
45:50 --> 45:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I do want to try to detail a couple things out for people who are probably going to lash out a victor and I already use the word Karen on the podcast today.
45:59 --> 46:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to do it again because I'm sure we're going to get some Karen's that are going to tell us the victors incredibly selfish and didn't think about them to the club.
46:05 --> 46:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to the club guys.
46:06 --> 46:07 [SPEAKER_02]: All we're all Karen's here.
46:09 --> 46:15 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not saying you're a Karen about this, but I guarantee you we are going to get people that comment and say selfish doesn't care about the team.
46:15 --> 46:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Only thinks about himself.
46:17 --> 46:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want him in a Mariners uniform ever again.
46:19 --> 46:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Like what?
46:19 --> 46:22 [SPEAKER_02]: But you did call me a Karen earlier in the podcast.
46:22 --> 46:23 [SPEAKER_02]: So you're right.
46:23 --> 46:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I did because you were talking about you don't want Lily World Series kids asking questions on a broadcast.
46:28 --> 46:28 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah.
46:29 --> 46:29 [SPEAKER_02]: No, no.
46:30 --> 46:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Let the kid casters do it instead.
46:31 --> 46:32 [SPEAKER_02]: They were good, by the way.
46:32 --> 46:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, let's go ahead.
46:34 --> 46:36 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm sure we're going to get comments like that.
46:37 --> 46:40 [SPEAKER_00]: and just to try and talk some.
46:43 --> 46:49 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a sense the right word, maybe not because I'm sure there's a lot of people that are going to disagree with what Victor did, but I will say.
46:51 --> 46:56 [SPEAKER_00]: When you highlight out the Victor Robles had a gruesome injury to start the year in San Francisco, he got carted off.
46:56 --> 47:00 [SPEAKER_00]: He has not been able to do baseball activity until the last six weeks or so.
47:01 --> 47:07 [SPEAKER_00]: He's been a lot of time just sitting and resting and not being able to do anything.
47:07 --> 47:08 [SPEAKER_00]: He was in Arizona.
47:08 --> 47:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Arizona during the year is very isolating.
47:10 --> 47:11 [SPEAKER_00]: There's not a lot of people down there.
47:11 --> 47:13 [SPEAKER_00]: There's certainly not a lot of big leaders down there.
47:14 --> 47:14 [SPEAKER_00]: And then
47:15 --> 47:21 [SPEAKER_00]: you know, every day and the grind and the hours that you put into rehabbing an injury like that.
47:21 --> 47:24 [SPEAKER_00]: It's, you know, it's not just you snap your fingers and here you are in a rehab assignment.
47:25 --> 47:38 [SPEAKER_00]: It is hours of of workouts and recovery and time and rest and I don't know, hot tubs, cold tubs in the training room every day, every day for months.
47:38 --> 47:44 [SPEAKER_00]: All while his team is out trying to contend for a title here and contend to get in the postseason and you know how badly he wants to be out there and helping them.
47:45 --> 47:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Then after all that time accrues, he finally is ready to get out on a rehab assignment and his inching near his return.
47:54 --> 47:54 [SPEAKER_00]: And he gets hit by a pitch.
47:55 --> 47:57 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's not like he got hit in the butt or hit in the leg.
47:57 --> 48:00 [SPEAKER_00]: He gets hit in the wrist, which can easily take out.
48:01 --> 48:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Then he gets hit again.
48:03 --> 48:03 [SPEAKER_00]: And they get hit again.
48:03 --> 48:05 [SPEAKER_00]: And they get hit again.
48:05 --> 48:19 [SPEAKER_00]: All in the course of four days, these are things that can just end your season after months and months and months of time and effort that you put into getting back on a field and helping your team because you're so passionate about winning.
48:20 --> 48:24 [SPEAKER_00]: And then this happens again today against the guy that's hit him three times in the last like calendar year.
48:25 --> 48:29 [SPEAKER_00]: So you can disagree with him chucking about if you're out there and saying it was wrong.
48:31 --> 48:50 [SPEAKER_00]: to say that there was nothing that warranted that, well that ain't right either, because to see Victor Robles get hit that many times and to have one quick moment like that and your season and wipe out all these months of rehab that you've done, I'd be fucking pissed if I was Victor Robles in that situation.
48:51 --> 48:56 [SPEAKER_00]: And sometimes you just snap, like it's human nature, you just snap sometimes.
48:57 --> 49:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Everything you just said is right and I have no problem with him reacting to the situation.
49:03 --> 49:09 [SPEAKER_02]: My problem is a hundred percent with the bat toss because that is that's the entire that's what makes the suspension.
49:10 --> 49:11 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not throwing the seeds.
49:11 --> 49:13 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not screaming at the picture.
49:13 --> 49:18 [SPEAKER_02]: It's literally throwing the bat anything but throwing the bat.
49:19 --> 49:20 [SPEAKER_02]: All those things you said are true.
49:21 --> 49:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Don't throw the bat.
49:22 --> 49:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Don't do it.
49:23 --> 49:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Don't do it.
49:23 --> 49:23 [SPEAKER_02]: It sucks.
49:24 --> 49:26 [SPEAKER_02]: You know why pictures sometimes are in AAA?
49:26 --> 49:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Because they have problems throwing strikes.
49:29 --> 49:30 [SPEAKER_02]: And you're gonna get hit.
49:31 --> 49:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, dude, where the fuck are these umpires in AAA?
49:34 --> 49:36 [SPEAKER_00]: How do you get hit that many times in a series?
49:36 --> 49:37 [SPEAKER_00]: And nobody stepped in.
49:37 --> 49:42 [SPEAKER_00]: As usual, I think this could be another case of umpires being losers and not doing their job.
49:42 --> 49:44 [SPEAKER_00]: How does he get hit four times in a series?
49:44 --> 49:47 [SPEAKER_00]: And nothing pit the umpires aren't throwing the pitches.
49:48 --> 49:50 [SPEAKER_00]: What is, what are the Empire's gonna do?
49:51 --> 49:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Throw, throw somebody out.
49:52 --> 49:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Is she warning anything?
49:54 --> 49:58 [SPEAKER_02]: But that's not gonna change Victor Robless crashing out once he gets hit again.
49:58 --> 50:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it might have if he felt like these Empire were stepping in and saw there was a problem.
50:02 --> 50:05 [SPEAKER_02]: What if someone else stepped in and hit him on Sunday instead?
50:06 --> 50:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Look, I can't, I can't foresee every possible outcome because it's just guessing.
50:11 --> 50:20 [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm just saying, if earlier in the week, somebody had stepped in from the Empire and Crow and issued warnings or something, maybe he doesn't do that.
50:21 --> 50:23 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think this has anything to do with the Empire's.
50:24 --> 50:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, regardless, they should be doing their jobs.
50:26 --> 50:33 [SPEAKER_02]: I think Ace pictures need to throw the ball over the plate more, and I think Vic needs to not throw the bat at the pitcher.
50:34 --> 50:35 [SPEAKER_00]: We've got to the scenario here.
50:36 --> 50:42 [SPEAKER_00]: If, if Mike Trout was hit four times in a series, nothing would be issued.
50:43 --> 50:46 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure something would be issued, but we're talking about AAA here.
50:46 --> 50:47 [SPEAKER_02]: This is not the big leagues.
50:48 --> 50:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm still just saying you get hit that many times, especially when you know it's a big league or on a rehab assignment.
50:53 --> 50:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Where are these empires?
50:55 --> 50:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes pictures are just not good enough to always throw the ball over the plate, and they'll hate guys.
50:59 --> 51:07 [SPEAKER_02]: So like some, even if there was a warning issued, if the guys throwing a two seamer in on VIX hands, and it hits them like, it's not intentional.
51:08 --> 51:10 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not gonna stop them from throwing that pitch.
51:10 --> 51:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, barely.
51:11 --> 51:14 [SPEAKER_00]: It's happened five times.
51:15 --> 51:18 [SPEAKER_02]: They're not trying to hit him on purpose.
51:19 --> 51:22 [SPEAKER_02]: They're throwing it because he stands on top of the plate, and they're trying to bust him inside.
51:23 --> 51:24 [SPEAKER_02]: And when you do that, you get hit.
51:25 --> 51:25 [SPEAKER_02]: I guess.
51:26 --> 51:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I still would have, I still would have stepped that if I was an empire, but whatever.
51:29 --> 51:33 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's, and they could have done that, but I don't think that change is anything that happens today.
51:34 --> 51:34 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think so.
51:35 --> 51:44 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think Vic is thinking, the empires are looking out for him because they issue a warning, pitcher gets tossed out of the game anyways, and Vic still gets drilled in the hands again.
51:45 --> 51:48 [SPEAKER_02]: And he still crashes out because he's pissed and he wants to stop getting hit in the wrists.
51:51 --> 51:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Vic needs people in his corner off.
51:52 --> 51:53 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what?
51:53 --> 51:55 [SPEAKER_00]: I stand with Victor Robles.
51:55 --> 51:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
51:56 --> 51:56 [SPEAKER_00]: That's fine.
51:57 --> 51:57 [SPEAKER_02]: That's fine.
51:57 --> 51:59 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll be on the opposite side to this.
51:59 --> 52:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
52:02 --> 52:03 [SPEAKER_00]: The picture didn't actually get hurt.
52:03 --> 52:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Essence didn't actually get hurt.
52:05 --> 52:05 [SPEAKER_00]: The bat didn't hit him.
52:06 --> 52:07 [SPEAKER_00]: So, so he's fine.
52:08 --> 52:11 [SPEAKER_02]: And that reason, because it's not easy to throw bat sixty feet.
52:12 --> 52:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
52:12 --> 52:14 [SPEAKER_00]: So, like, nobody got hurt.
52:15 --> 52:21 [SPEAKER_00]: If somebody got hurt, maybe I wouldn't be sitting here saying this, but because nobody got hurt, besides Victor Robles, I stand with Victor Robles.
52:23 --> 52:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Good.
52:24 --> 52:24 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad.
52:25 --> 52:29 [SPEAKER_02]: When you seem in the dugout next time, you should just walk up to and say, I stand with you.
52:30 --> 52:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll do the whole guy on the airplane thing.
52:32 --> 52:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to shake his hand.
52:35 --> 52:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's wrap up with your favorite subject, Lyle.
52:38 --> 52:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Spend a couple of minutes on this.
52:39 --> 52:44 [SPEAKER_02]: You talked about this on Friday when it happened, but we have to acknowledge it since we have not podcasted since this moment.
52:45 --> 52:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Mariners activated Luke Rayleigh, and we talked about some of the scenarios.
52:49 --> 52:53 [SPEAKER_02]: What would happen when Rayleigh and Robless would eventually be ready for the Mariners roster?
52:55 --> 53:09 [SPEAKER_02]: And the scenario that we didn't want to happen happened on Friday where Rayleigh gets activated and the corresponding move is Miles Mascherbony gets sent down to coma and Dillon Moore stays on the Mariners roster.
53:12 --> 53:13 [SPEAKER_02]: They keep doing it.
53:14 --> 53:15 [SPEAKER_02]: They don't want to cut them.
53:17 --> 53:29 [SPEAKER_02]: There were some people online on Friday justifying as like, look, when you have the option to option somebody or DFA, the options are, you can send someone down or you can cut somebody.
53:29 --> 53:31 [SPEAKER_02]: You're always going to send the person down.
53:32 --> 53:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
53:33 --> 53:37 [SPEAKER_02]: In June, we're like halfway through August now.
53:40 --> 53:41 [SPEAKER_02]: It does not make any sense, right?
53:42 --> 53:47 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't need to keep rehashing why we don't need to deal with more playing for the Mariners, like playing in this lineup.
53:49 --> 53:58 [SPEAKER_02]: But it is just kind of frustrating to see it like keep going and keep getting reassured that these decisions they want to make, which I don't agree with at all.
53:59 --> 54:02 [SPEAKER_00]: You just made this point to me before we started recording.
54:03 --> 54:05 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'll just turn it around back to you, so everybody can hear it.
54:06 --> 54:09 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're the Mariners, are you comfortable with Dillon Moore playing in games?
54:11 --> 54:13 [SPEAKER_00]: My answer to that question is no.
54:14 --> 54:15 [SPEAKER_00]: They shouldn't be on the roster.
54:16 --> 54:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
54:16 --> 54:19 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm having old master playing in the role he's supposed to be in.
54:20 --> 54:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Dimo will not.
54:21 --> 54:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Because if he has to come in and run, then he might have to hit.
54:24 --> 54:24 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want him hitting.
54:25 --> 54:29 [SPEAKER_02]: His defense is not good enough to justify putting him in the game.
54:30 --> 54:33 [SPEAKER_00]: No, and especially with his showing in Baltimore the other night,
54:34 --> 54:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Like he's had problems on defense too.
54:36 --> 54:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
54:36 --> 54:37 [SPEAKER_00]: It's at the point where you're right.
54:38 --> 54:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm okay with Miles MasterBony playing once a week and coming off the bench.
54:42 --> 54:42 [SPEAKER_00]: That's the role he's in.
54:42 --> 54:44 [SPEAKER_00]: He's the twenty-six guy on the roster.
54:44 --> 54:45 [SPEAKER_00]: He's the last guy on the bench.
54:45 --> 54:47 [SPEAKER_00]: And that role he fits perfectly fine.
54:48 --> 54:52 [SPEAKER_00]: But if you're the Mariners, are you comfortable with Dylan more playing games?
54:52 --> 54:59 [SPEAKER_00]: It feels like your answer is the same as the two of ours and a lot of people's which is no because he essentially never plays anymore.
55:01 --> 55:14 [SPEAKER_00]: And if that is the case, and you're not comfortable with him getting regular playing time to some level, then yeah, it doesn't make much sense for him to still be on the roster.
55:14 --> 55:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, look at this.
55:15 --> 55:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Since May the Eighteenth
55:19 --> 55:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Dylan Moore is hitting, oh, ninety nine, his WRC plus is twelve.
55:24 --> 55:25 [SPEAKER_00]: That's in a three month stretch.
55:26 --> 55:36 [SPEAKER_00]: If you extrapolated a couple days later and go to what I believe is the twenty eighth, Dylan Moore in that time has a negative twenty six WRC plus.
55:38 --> 55:43 [SPEAKER_00]: That is nearly three months where he's been twenty six percent below league average.
55:43 --> 55:46 [SPEAKER_00]: In that stretch, Dillon Moore's hitting O forty eight.
55:46 --> 55:53 [SPEAKER_00]: His OPS is OPS is two forty two and he's striking out over fifty two percent of the time.
55:54 --> 55:55 [SPEAKER_00]: This is three months.
55:55 --> 55:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Donovan Solano did this for about a month.
55:59 --> 56:04 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners did not cut them because it's early in the year and they wanted a clubhouse presence and they wanted him to turn things around.
56:05 --> 56:11 [SPEAKER_00]: And to some extent, even though he hasn't been perfect, even though he hasn't been great, he has for more he wasn't the first month.
56:12 --> 56:15 [SPEAKER_00]: This is three months of a sample.
56:15 --> 56:19 [SPEAKER_00]: We're Dylan Morris putting up a negative, twenty-six WRC+.
56:19 --> 56:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, like I hate doing this and having to be in a position where we have to talk about people's jobs because these are people's livelihoods.
56:26 --> 56:28 [SPEAKER_00]: But when you have thirty-five games left in the year,
56:29 --> 56:38 [SPEAKER_00]: The best roster has to be on the field, and I just don't understand why the mariners are toying around with options over just putting the best team on the field.
56:39 --> 56:41 [SPEAKER_02]: It does not make any sense.
56:42 --> 56:47 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't see the controllability of players at this point in the season, especially since
56:48 --> 56:51 [SPEAKER_02]: The deadline you weren't looking at control at all.
56:51 --> 56:55 [SPEAKER_02]: You didn't care about controllability of players and options and stuff.
56:56 --> 57:00 [SPEAKER_02]: No, you just went and added the best players that were available for X amount of time.
57:01 --> 57:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, Dylan Moore is gonna be a free agent after this year.
57:04 --> 57:09 [SPEAKER_02]: No matter what, no matter what you do, he walks out the door at the end of the year and goes on the open market.
57:10 --> 57:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you cut him now, or yeah, or whatever.
57:13 --> 57:16 [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't matter, actually going around on a circle with this.
57:17 --> 57:19 [SPEAKER_02]: So that point did not make much sense.
57:19 --> 57:22 [SPEAKER_02]: I apologize to everyone who I had to just listen to that right there.
57:22 --> 57:28 [SPEAKER_02]: But it's not the right time of year to be thinking about
57:28 --> 57:33 [SPEAKER_02]: We need to preserve, utilize our options and preserve as many players as possible.
57:33 --> 57:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Because if the guy's not going to play anyways, then doesn't really seem like a point right now to keep him.
57:39 --> 57:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Does not.
57:42 --> 57:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Is there a world they even put them on the playoff roster?
57:44 --> 57:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Because the rosters are going to expand its September, and then you get the actual playoff roster, which will be smaller than the September roster, because it goes back to the normal twenty six man.
57:53 --> 57:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Will they actually put Dillon more on a playoff roster?
57:56 --> 57:57 [SPEAKER_02]: I hope not.
58:00 --> 58:02 [SPEAKER_02]: What is he doing on the playoff roster?
58:03 --> 58:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Their justification would probably be to come off the bench and run and play defense in a pinch.
58:11 --> 58:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
58:13 --> 58:14 [SPEAKER_02]: I just can't buy it, man.
58:15 --> 58:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Just put Ben on the roster.
58:18 --> 58:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't buy it.
58:19 --> 58:21 [SPEAKER_00]: You're asking me what the Mariners justification would be.
58:23 --> 58:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Speaking of Ben, by the way,
58:26 --> 58:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, he's actually like hitting Homer's down Triple A now.
58:29 --> 58:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he opened up his stance a little bit this week and proceeded to hit three bombs.
58:33 --> 58:34 [SPEAKER_02]: He had a two Homer game.
58:36 --> 58:36 [SPEAKER_02]: crazy.
58:37 --> 58:39 [SPEAKER_02]: He's he's he's he's hitting some big EVs too.
58:39 --> 58:47 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll say that, but we can talk about Ben later this week, after we get some more games under our belt, but regardless, I really hope that scenario doesn't even come up.
58:47 --> 58:52 [SPEAKER_02]: The Mariners should not give themselves a chance to make a decision then in October.
58:52 --> 58:56 [SPEAKER_02]: What to do with the one more decision should should already be made.
58:56 --> 58:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's what it should be.
58:58 --> 59:02 [SPEAKER_00]: And for anybody arguing, well, they need right handers on the roster, not if you're
59:03 --> 59:06 [SPEAKER_00]: flat out not hitting either side of a platoon.
59:06 --> 59:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Not if you have a negative twenty six WRC plus for nearly three months.
59:10 --> 59:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
59:11 --> 59:14 [SPEAKER_00]: He has still three hits in the last essentially three months.
59:14 --> 59:16 [SPEAKER_00]: By the way, he got a hit on Friday.
59:17 --> 59:19 [SPEAKER_00]: He has one hit in June.
59:20 --> 59:21 [SPEAKER_00]: He had one hit in July.
59:22 --> 59:23 [SPEAKER_00]: He now is one hit in August.
59:24 --> 59:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, he got another hit in August.
59:25 --> 59:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes or no?
59:26 --> 59:26 [SPEAKER_02]: No.
59:28 --> 59:28 [SPEAKER_02]: He will not.
59:29 --> 59:31 [SPEAKER_02]: No, because he shouldn't be playing in August.
59:33 --> 59:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Again, under what under what justification would deal more get in at bat?
59:39 --> 59:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Right now.
59:39 --> 59:40 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm serious.
59:40 --> 59:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, but he started earlier this week.
59:43 --> 59:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Dude, you could put who's like the biggest lefty lefty platoon split guy the Mariners have had in our lives?
59:52 --> 59:53 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, Adam Lind.
59:54 --> 59:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
59:54 --> 59:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Like Adam Lind is better against lefties than Dylan more currently is.
01:00:00 --> 01:00:00 [SPEAKER_02]: It's really bad.
01:00:01 --> 01:00:01 [SPEAKER_02]: There's just no way.
01:00:01 --> 01:00:02 [SPEAKER_02]: There's no way.
01:00:03 --> 01:00:03 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.
01:00:04 --> 01:00:05 [SPEAKER_02]: You can't justify it.
01:00:05 --> 01:00:13 [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know whose decision it ultimately is that Dylan Moore is still here, but it just doesn't make much sense.
01:00:13 --> 01:00:24 [SPEAKER_02]: When you've made it, you've made it your priority for twenty to twenty five other spots on your roster to what the best possible players out there, understanding what's at stake this season.
01:00:25 --> 01:00:26 [SPEAKER_02]: And then if you're twenty six the man, you're just like,
01:00:29 --> 01:00:41 [SPEAKER_00]: That's not puzzles me doesn't make any sense it doesn't and Yeah, like I wonder if they'll just start letting Luke Rayleigh hit the lefties over Dylan more even because you know we know Rayleigh hasn't been the greatest against left handed pitching either
01:00:43 --> 01:00:44 [SPEAKER_00]: doesn't.
01:00:45 --> 01:00:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, I hate to do this, but we're at a point where you have to talk about it because you need every spot on that roster down the stretch of a season into the postseason.
01:00:54 --> 01:01:04 [SPEAKER_00]: And to send Miles MasterBony down, well, I'm not saying it's with the world on fire, but it's been a perfectly capable utility player off the bench as a last guy on the roster.
01:01:06 --> 01:01:08 [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't make much sense at this point.
01:01:09 --> 01:01:14 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know who's decision it is to your point because these roster decisions are made as a unit.
01:01:15 --> 01:01:17 [SPEAKER_00]: It is front office and manager.
01:01:18 --> 01:01:21 [SPEAKER_00]: It is not the front office one day saying, Hey, we just yank this guy off your roster.
01:01:21 --> 01:01:23 [SPEAKER_00]: These decisions get made together.
01:01:23 --> 01:01:26 [SPEAKER_00]: So is this gerian Justin fighting for Dillon mortist down the roster?
01:01:27 --> 01:01:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Or is this down banging the drum to keep them on the roster?
01:01:30 --> 01:01:32 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's why they haven't made the move.
01:01:33 --> 01:01:33 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not money ball.
01:01:35 --> 01:01:37 [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's not money ball at all.
01:01:37 --> 01:01:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And you hear about Dan Wilson all the time that one of his traits as he has unwavering faith in his guys, which I'm sure the players really appreciate.
01:01:47 --> 01:01:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure there's a big reason why players love playing for Dan Wilson.
01:01:51 --> 01:01:56 [SPEAKER_00]: But has it gotten to the point where it is his unwavering faith has turned into blind faith?
01:01:57 --> 01:01:59 [SPEAKER_00]: where he just won't let a guy go.
01:01:59 --> 01:02:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Because they have to see these numbers, right?
01:02:02 --> 01:02:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know the front office does, but like the coaching staff, they have to see these numbers that we're seeing too.
01:02:08 --> 01:02:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure they see it.
01:02:10 --> 01:02:11 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure.
01:02:11 --> 01:02:18 [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't like it just a question of whether or not there's, they feel like it's enough for an actionable decision.
01:02:18 --> 01:02:25 [SPEAKER_02]: We think so, but the organization that is the one that makes the decision doesn't feel that way yet.
01:02:26 --> 01:02:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, but what do you mean think?
01:02:27 --> 01:02:30 [SPEAKER_00]: He has one hit every month for the last three months.
01:02:30 --> 01:02:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, his WRC plus is negative twenty six since August, the urzans made the twenty eight.
01:02:35 --> 01:02:44 [SPEAKER_02]: There are always things that you and I will never know about that goes on within behind those doors with players, coaches, front office, always things.
01:02:46 --> 01:02:50 [SPEAKER_02]: The only possible thing I could think about for the reason he still hears it's one of those things.
01:02:51 --> 01:02:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Because for everything we can see as fans,
01:02:54 --> 01:02:55 [SPEAKER_02]: There's no justification for it.
01:02:57 --> 01:02:58 [SPEAKER_02]: But it's the same thing with Solano, right?
01:02:58 --> 01:03:01 [SPEAKER_02]: There's a reason everyone wanted Solano cut at the beginning of the season.
01:03:02 --> 01:03:04 [SPEAKER_02]: But that one.
01:03:05 --> 01:03:09 [SPEAKER_00]: That one, you can justify a little bit more because it was very, very early.
01:03:09 --> 01:03:17 [SPEAKER_00]: And despite him having about his bat a month as you could possibly draw up, often with a guy like that, you probably don't cut him a month in.
01:03:17 --> 01:03:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, with somebody like Tommy Lestella, if people are going to make that reference, he was only there because Dylan Moore was injured to start the year in twenty three.
01:03:24 --> 01:03:27 [SPEAKER_00]: And once he was ready, that's when they let Lestella go.
01:03:27 --> 01:03:30 [SPEAKER_00]: He was never really supposed to be on that roster.
01:03:30 --> 01:03:31 [SPEAKER_00]: That was never the intention.
01:03:31 --> 01:03:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, he became a big meme in that month, but he was never really supposed to be on that roster.
01:03:36 --> 01:03:43 [SPEAKER_00]: with this it's different and it's different than the Solano thing because Solano was bad early in the year and then finally started to turn it around.
01:03:43 --> 01:03:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Now we're at the home stretch here.
01:03:45 --> 01:03:46 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not a one-month stretch.
01:03:46 --> 01:03:47 [SPEAKER_00]: We're dealing more struggled.
01:03:47 --> 01:03:48 [SPEAKER_00]: It's three.
01:03:49 --> 01:03:50 [SPEAKER_00]: It's everything since April.
01:03:51 --> 01:03:54 [SPEAKER_00]: And we're, and like, I don't know what the justification is at this point.
01:03:54 --> 01:03:57 [SPEAKER_02]: And to be honest, those two are kind of backwards, because Dimo is great name, bro.
01:03:58 --> 01:03:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
01:03:58 --> 01:04:00 [SPEAKER_02]: So, great name, bro.
01:04:00 --> 01:04:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Bad for the next three months, Solano, bad the first month, then fine since then.
01:04:07 --> 01:04:17 [SPEAKER_02]: but the sloth thing I was referencing is that we didn't know until what like mid-may and hyphen comes out and he's just talking up how great of a clubhouse guy slono is.
01:04:17 --> 01:04:19 [SPEAKER_02]: We hadn't heard anything about any of that.
01:04:19 --> 01:04:26 [SPEAKER_02]: We guessed that was an idea for signing him in the off season, but we didn't actually know any of the impact until a month and a half into the season.
01:04:26 --> 01:04:31 [SPEAKER_02]: I guess like those little things that we might be unaware of, but at this point,
01:04:32 --> 01:04:35 [SPEAKER_02]: As we've talked about, if it's something clubhouse related, like you have Gino.
01:04:36 --> 01:04:42 [SPEAKER_02]: So like, I feel like you should be able to survive thirty five games to make your roster better.
01:04:42 --> 01:04:49 [SPEAKER_02]: If you're sacrificing some semblance of clubhouse and a who raw or something.
01:04:50 --> 01:04:54 [SPEAKER_00]: And if Solano really is that great clubhouse guy, which by all counts he is, you still have Solano for now.
01:04:55 --> 01:04:56 [SPEAKER_00]: You have Gino and Solano.
01:04:58 --> 01:05:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, man.
01:05:00 --> 01:05:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I really don't like doing this and having to talk about people's jobs because it's people's livelihoods, people's families, and I understand, but it is a point in the year where it's warranted.
01:05:09 --> 01:05:10 [SPEAKER_00]: It's justified.
01:05:11 --> 01:05:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:05:11 --> 01:05:14 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not like, again, he didn't have three bad weeks where
01:05:16 --> 01:05:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
01:05:17 --> 01:05:19 [SPEAKER_00]: He had a five hundred OPS.
01:05:19 --> 01:05:22 [SPEAKER_00]: This is three months where it's basically unfathomable numbers.
01:05:23 --> 01:05:24 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not a big leaker.
01:05:25 --> 01:05:26 [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's not.
01:05:26 --> 01:05:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Unfortunately, it's not.
01:05:28 --> 01:05:36 [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, because of the robeless crash out and the looming suspension I'll have, Demo's probably bought himself another week on the roster.
01:05:38 --> 01:05:38 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm serious.
01:05:40 --> 01:05:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Unless they call Ben back up.
01:05:41 --> 01:05:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:05:42 --> 01:05:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:05:43 --> 01:05:44 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll talk about Ben this week.
01:05:44 --> 01:05:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Honestly, if he has another great week into coma, maybe a Friday subject.
01:05:50 --> 01:05:55 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'm serious Ben Williamson opened up a stance a little bit and then all of a sudden has two homers in a game.
01:05:55 --> 01:05:56 [SPEAKER_02]: And then he hit a third.
01:05:56 --> 01:05:57 [SPEAKER_00]: He hit three this week.
01:05:57 --> 01:05:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:05:58 --> 01:06:00 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, okay, this version of Ben I like.
01:06:00 --> 01:06:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Dude, dude, sound that alarm.
01:06:03 --> 01:06:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Get the Batman signal out for all the Ben Williamson stands.
01:06:06 --> 01:06:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, what's the sound effect?
01:06:10 --> 01:06:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Get the Batman signal out for all the Venom Williams and dance to tune in this week.
01:06:15 --> 01:06:20 [SPEAKER_02]: It's gonna be our highest rated episode ever.
01:06:20 --> 01:06:21 [SPEAKER_00]: That'll wrap it up.
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01:06:52 --> 01:07:02 [SPEAKER_00]: to our Patreon, to our live show schedule, which again, this upcoming Saturday over at the Hall on Oxeno, post game after the A's game on Saturday is our next live show.
01:07:02 --> 01:07:03 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll love to see you there.
01:07:03 --> 01:07:07 [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to be hanging out, having drinks, taking questions from you guys, interacting with you guys.
01:07:07 --> 01:07:08 [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be a blast.
01:07:08 --> 01:07:10 [SPEAKER_00]: It was a blast last month after we did it after a game.
01:07:11 --> 01:07:12 [SPEAKER_00]: We're really looking forward to doing it again.
01:07:12 --> 01:07:14 [SPEAKER_00]: And we love, love, love to have you out there.
01:07:14 --> 01:07:16 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's this Saturday.
01:07:16 --> 01:07:17 [SPEAKER_00]: over at the Hall on Oxidental.
01:07:18 --> 01:07:22 [SPEAKER_00]: All that's over to our website and then you can find us all across social media at Marine Lair pod.
01:07:22 --> 01:07:23 [SPEAKER_00]: That's TJ.
01:07:23 --> 01:07:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm Lyle.
01:07:24 --> 01:07:25 [SPEAKER_00]: As always, we thank you guys for tuning in.
01:07:26 --> 01:07:26 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk to you soon.