Lyle and TJ react to the horrendous Monday loss for the Mariners (2:30), before diving into the suspension of Victor Robles (12:19). They then welcome Marc Luino (GiraffeNeckMarc) to chat about the Mariners-Mets series, how the M's stack up in the American League, and whether or not MLB expansion is a good idea (21:40).
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00:00 --> 00:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to episode number two, eighty four of the Marine layer podcast.
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01:35 --> 01:40 [SPEAKER_02]: And we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Layer podcast part of the just baseball podcast network.
01:41 --> 01:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Recording on Monday evening August, a teamth post game.
01:45 --> 01:53 [SPEAKER_02]: I think the only accurate way to describe a game is bad as Monday night's game is that Carlos Vargas outpitched Logan Gilbert.
01:55 --> 02:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Dude, Carlos Vargas now has a lower ERA than Logan Gilbert.
02:01 --> 02:02 [SPEAKER_00]: And he threw more innings.
02:02 --> 02:03 [SPEAKER_00]: than Logan Gilbert.
02:03 --> 02:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, today.
02:04 --> 02:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
02:05 --> 02:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
02:05 --> 02:12 [SPEAKER_00]: But the fact now on the year, he somehow has a lower ERA is one of those things in baseball that makes objectively no sense.
02:13 --> 02:27 [SPEAKER_02]: If I were to sit here and like strip the names off of this lile and say one pitcher went two innings and has now a three eight three R. A and another pitcher went three innings didn't go up a single run and has a three six nine ERA you'd be like
02:27 --> 02:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
02:28 --> 02:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd say pretty clear.
02:29 --> 02:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd say, oh great.
02:30 --> 02:33 [SPEAKER_00]: So Logan Gilbert threw three good innings and got hurt again.
02:34 --> 02:37 [SPEAKER_02]: But no, it might have been worse than getting hurt.
02:37 --> 02:38 [SPEAKER_02]: He got blown up against the police.
02:39 --> 02:40 [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's not worse than getting hurt.
02:40 --> 02:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry.
02:40 --> 02:41 [SPEAKER_02]: No, it's not worse than getting hurt.
02:41 --> 02:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
02:42 --> 02:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Misconstrued my words, but it was not good.
02:44 --> 02:46 [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, it wasn't.
02:46 --> 02:47 [SPEAKER_02]: He was getting crushed.
02:47 --> 02:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Do George and Logan in the back and back to back starts.
02:51 --> 02:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Find these pockets and could not get anybody out against either of these teams.
02:56 --> 03:03 [SPEAKER_00]: and it's funny we talked about on Monday's podcast we talked about a little bit that those two have had major struggles the third time through the order this year
03:04 --> 03:07 [SPEAKER_00]: This time, it wasn't even the third time through for these guys.
03:07 --> 03:08 [SPEAKER_00]: It didn't take a much time.
03:08 --> 03:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Logan, basically, not at all.
03:10 --> 03:11 [SPEAKER_00]: He just got hit really hard.
03:11 --> 03:12 [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't make sense.
03:12 --> 03:16 [SPEAKER_02]: They have the deepest repertoire of any picture in that rotation.
03:16 --> 03:20 [SPEAKER_02]: They are the best equips to go through the lineup as many times as possible.
03:21 --> 03:26 [SPEAKER_02]: To watch this happen against a Philly's team, which for the last two and a half months has been now.
03:29 --> 03:31 [SPEAKER_00]: What has happened with this rotation this year?
03:31 --> 03:33 [SPEAKER_00]: If Brian Wu was not pitching away, he was pitching.
03:34 --> 03:38 [SPEAKER_00]: And Brian Wu was just having a average or slightly above average season.
03:39 --> 03:41 [SPEAKER_00]: What would the narrative be around the rotation right now?
03:41 --> 03:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we'd be having a conversation that would not be fun to have.
03:44 --> 03:50 [SPEAKER_02]: There's no reason a rotation this talented should be doing what they're currently doing.
03:51 --> 03:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Did you know?
03:51 --> 03:55 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure most people will realize this by the time it comes out.
03:56 --> 03:57 [SPEAKER_02]: That home run trade turner hit.
03:58 --> 04:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Those is first home run at home this season.
04:02 --> 04:03 [SPEAKER_02]: That's a hitters park?
04:04 --> 04:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Trade Turner has a three hundred million dollar contract, and that was the first home runny hit at home.
04:10 --> 04:17 [SPEAKER_02]: We were texting one of our buddies who was a Philly's fan about this, and he could not believe what was going on between the Philly's offense and Logan Gilbert.
04:18 --> 04:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Could not believe it, or couldn't believe that Ranger Swarr has had ten strikeouts into the seventh inning.
04:23 --> 04:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Ranger Swarr has been good this year, hasn't been as good recently, but no last six-ish starts.
04:30 --> 04:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Ranger's really struggled, but
04:32 --> 04:38 [SPEAKER_00]: All he needed was a good ol' outing against your Seattle Mariners to get back on track and he carved them up tonight.
04:38 --> 04:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I forget at what point in the start it was, but speaking of texting Philly fans, you also texted, friend of the pod, Hembo, and we're just like, white flag.
04:46 --> 04:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Nothing but white flag emoji.
04:49 --> 04:52 [SPEAKER_02]: The Philly's less than a month ago lost a series to the white socks.
04:54 --> 04:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
04:56 --> 05:00 [SPEAKER_02]: And they've been essentially a five hundred teams since the start of, since the start of June.
05:01 --> 05:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Dude, why can't this team pitch on the road?
05:06 --> 05:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Why is this can be done with the problem?
05:10 --> 05:13 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like because it's every guy not named Brian Lou that has this issue.
05:14 --> 05:19 [SPEAKER_02]: And we'll never know really if the Mariners would have scored the seven runs they scored tonight.
05:19 --> 05:27 [SPEAKER_02]: If the Phillies didn't just clobber him early and and the Mariners could just feast on the Phillies are just trying to get strikes and end the game.
05:28 --> 05:36 [SPEAKER_02]: But like the offense, you know, the offense did a job, Cole Young, Shadow Cole Young, dude hit a fucking tank in that game.
05:37 --> 05:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Off of, I would have said it was more impressive off of Jordan Romano, but I think it was our friend who was a Philly Spanard who literally said that Romano's been the worst pitcher in baseball this year.
05:47 --> 05:51 [SPEAKER_02]: So, take that for what you will, but Cole Young can absolutely tank today.
05:51 --> 05:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Mariners offense manages to scrape across seven runs still all coming at the end of the game when it's out of hand.
05:57 --> 05:58 [SPEAKER_02]: But still man, twelve runs.
05:59 --> 06:06 [SPEAKER_02]: The fact that the Mariners needed Carlos Vargas to throw three shut out and they still gave up twelve earned runs is frustrating.
06:08 --> 06:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Dude, like I'm looking at these road ERAs.
06:10 --> 06:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Kirby's road ERA is over five.
06:12 --> 06:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Logan entering this Monday, start is four, eight, six.
06:15 --> 06:16 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's about to go over five.
06:17 --> 06:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Louisa's is nearly five.
06:18 --> 06:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Bryce's is six.
06:21 --> 06:22 [SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy.
06:23 --> 06:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Which means the Mariners, of course, Laura gonna beat Christopher Sanchez tomorrow and probably give up two runs total as a team.
06:31 --> 06:31 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
06:32 --> 06:32 [SPEAKER_02]: I hope so.
06:33 --> 06:36 [SPEAKER_02]: The Mariners, well, let's put a prediction in for when this comes out.
06:39 --> 06:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully, Christopher Sanchez gets blown up, but you know what, I'm just gonna say, go six shut out.
06:45 --> 06:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Six shut out for Christopher Sanchez with eight punchouts, because then guess what?
06:48 --> 06:52 [SPEAKER_00]: If he does something worse than that, we can all happily celebrate me being wrong.
06:52 --> 06:54 [SPEAKER_00]: So, six shut out for Christopher Sanchez on Tuesday.
06:55 --> 06:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Christopher Sanchez on the second half is a two, two, seven ERA.
06:59 --> 07:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Right now, he's the siong favorite in the national league.
07:01 --> 07:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Roughly, it him and skins.
07:03 --> 07:04 [SPEAKER_02]: So,
07:05 --> 07:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Good luck guys, but then again they beat in terrible scuba this year they beat in the other races and baseball that hasn't been as much of an issue but apparently when it's not the ace and it's Ranger Swarr as instead the lineup didn't look very good for the first six innings of the game today so go figure
07:21 --> 07:24 [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, given how this road trip is gone, the Mariners will.
07:25 --> 07:26 [SPEAKER_02]: In Bryce's debut, Bryce will come back.
07:26 --> 07:27 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll pitch five really good innings.
07:28 --> 07:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Christopher Sanchez will struggle.
07:29 --> 07:31 [SPEAKER_02]: The Mariners will win the game tomorrow.
07:32 --> 07:34 [SPEAKER_02]: And then the loser frustrating is hell.
07:34 --> 07:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Game game three of this series on Wednesday.
07:38 --> 07:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess but off, against the one starter you should beat in Haseus Luzardo.
07:42 --> 07:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Correct.
07:43 --> 07:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Who's gonna go seven shut out?
07:45 --> 07:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, and to be fair, Luzardo's had his starts this year where he's been really sharp.
07:49 --> 07:53 [SPEAKER_00]: He has just not been as good as either Ranger or Sanchez.
07:55 --> 07:57 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying not to overreact.
07:57 --> 07:57 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying.
07:57 --> 07:58 [SPEAKER_02]: It's bad road trip.
07:58 --> 07:59 [SPEAKER_02]: This is a bad road trip.
07:59 --> 08:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Trying not to overreact.
08:01 --> 08:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Trying really hard not to overreact because it was as of recording exactly one week ago that we pushed out an episode that was literally titled best Mariners team since dot dot dot dot dot question mark.
08:18 --> 08:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Meaning ever could be ever.
08:20 --> 08:21 [SPEAKER_02]: That was seven days ago.
08:22 --> 08:24 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm not going to get out of ourselves here.
08:25 --> 08:28 [SPEAKER_02]: But I also can't be very happy with what we're watching on the road.
08:28 --> 08:34 [SPEAKER_02]: At least they're not losing any ground, but that's what's kind of annoying because they could go out there and just take hold of the vision.
08:34 --> 08:38 [SPEAKER_02]: They could take hold of the wildcard even more than they already have, but instead they're not.
08:38 --> 08:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, them and the Astros are having a total midoff right now.
08:42 --> 08:42 [SPEAKER_00]: You're right.
08:42 --> 08:44 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners could have taken the division by now.
08:44 --> 08:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
08:45 --> 08:45 [SPEAKER_02]: It's crazy.
08:45 --> 08:50 [SPEAKER_02]: The Astros that some point earlier today had been outscored on a run, like, twenty-two to nothing.
08:52 --> 08:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we're gonna have to watch very closely at how the next two elongated series go.
08:59 --> 09:02 [SPEAKER_00]: In the sense of the next home stand and then the upcoming road stand.
09:02 --> 09:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, what are the Mariners do against the A's and Padres at home?
09:05 --> 09:10 [SPEAKER_00]: And then what do they do on their next road trip, which is not an easy road trip on its own right?
09:10 --> 09:14 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's also gonna be a very long one because it's three cities not close to home.
09:14 --> 09:17 [SPEAKER_00]: It's Cleveland and then Tampa and then Atlanta.
09:18 --> 09:20 [SPEAKER_00]: And I know Atlanta hasn't been very good, but
09:21 --> 09:22 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it hasn't mattered.
09:22 --> 09:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Look at this road trip.
09:23 --> 09:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, hasn't mattered.
09:24 --> 09:26 [SPEAKER_00]: They still have good players on their team.
09:26 --> 09:27 [SPEAKER_00]: You have to travel a long way.
09:29 --> 09:32 [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to need to see where they're at, essentially, at the end of September, seventh.
09:33 --> 09:39 [SPEAKER_00]: And if, if we're sitting there at the end of September, seventh, and they've played basically three whole weeks, a bad baseball.
09:41 --> 09:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we may need to have a real conversation.
09:43 --> 09:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like you, I'm trying not to totally overreact to one road trip, but this road trip has not been fun.
09:49 --> 09:50 [SPEAKER_00]: It has not been fun at all.
09:50 --> 09:55 [SPEAKER_02]: If they get to September seventh, and they're in the same position they're at right now.
09:55 --> 09:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's say everyone holds ground in that point.
09:58 --> 10:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Right now, the Yankees, Red Sox, and Mariners are all tied ironically, Lyle, you're going to get a kick out of this.
10:04 --> 10:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly, fifty four percent, all three of them.
10:09 --> 10:12 [SPEAKER_02]: three and a half games up on the rest of the field in the wild card.
10:12 --> 10:15 [SPEAKER_02]: And the Mariners currently set a game and a half back of the Astros.
10:15 --> 10:20 [SPEAKER_02]: If on step ten or seventh, all of these remain the exact same, I'll be totally fine.
10:20 --> 10:21 [SPEAKER_02]: That's it.
10:21 --> 10:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Like again, remember the Mariners haven't lost much ground during this road trip, which is a credit to all the other teams around them for also just being bad over the same stretch.
10:32 --> 10:36 [SPEAKER_02]: They tame this current position and I'll manage.
10:37 --> 10:43 [SPEAKER_00]: That's fine, but also when the damn West, they were never gonna catch the Astros weaker than right now.
10:43 --> 10:45 [SPEAKER_00]: They're decimated with injuries.
10:46 --> 10:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't think their deadline was all that impressive.
10:49 --> 10:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Go catch them.
10:50 --> 10:55 [SPEAKER_00]: By the way, Yordon is starting a rehab assignment this week, but also he's gonna need to ramp back up for a little bit.
10:55 --> 10:57 [SPEAKER_00]: So he's one you've still got time.
10:57 --> 10:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Two he wasn't hitting that great before he got hurt.
11:01 --> 11:03 [SPEAKER_02]: I believe when I see it, like he is so hurt.
11:04 --> 11:10 [SPEAKER_02]: He or someone was mentioning us this to him, just like how many injuries you're on Alvarez because of his size?
11:11 --> 11:12 [SPEAKER_02]: What he has to go through.
11:13 --> 11:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I'm gonna have to see him healthy for like a month to believe that he's actually healthy.
11:18 --> 11:21 [SPEAKER_02]: That he's hitting well, and that he's back, and that he feels comfortable.
11:21 --> 11:24 [SPEAKER_02]: That he can stand on his legs like he's at a lot of leg injuries.
11:24 --> 11:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Just remember, and I want people to think about this when you think about lads too, because they're similar sized players.
11:29 --> 11:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Think about how much weight you have to carry around if you're that big.
11:34 --> 11:36 [SPEAKER_02]: It can take a toll on you.
11:37 --> 11:39 [SPEAKER_02]: And you have to do other things to sort of offset that.
11:39 --> 11:43 [SPEAKER_02]: And if you can't, then you'll end up like you're done right now who can't stay healthy.
11:43 --> 11:45 [SPEAKER_02]: He said seasons where he's totally healthy.
11:45 --> 11:47 [SPEAKER_02]: He's had seasons where he can't stay healthy at all.
11:48 --> 11:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
11:49 --> 11:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, and haters hurt.
11:51 --> 11:51 [SPEAKER_00]: This is what I mean.
11:51 --> 11:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we don't have to list all the guys that are hurt.
11:54 --> 11:55 [SPEAKER_00]: We've done it a bunch of times.
11:55 --> 11:56 [SPEAKER_00]: That whole team's hurt.
11:56 --> 11:57 [SPEAKER_00]: He's newly hurt.
11:57 --> 11:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
11:58 --> 11:59 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's going to be out for at least a few weeks.
12:00 --> 12:02 [SPEAKER_00]: They need to go win the West this year.
12:02 --> 12:07 [SPEAKER_00]: You have never been presented a better opportunity in the last ten years than this.
12:07 --> 12:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Go win it.
12:09 --> 12:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Before we get to Mark, Victor Robless has gotten handed down his suspension, the league's gonna suspend him.
12:15 --> 12:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Ten games, just to note to you guys, we are recording this specific part on Tuesday after we've seen the suspension come out, but now once Victor Robless gets activated back to the Mariners after his rehab assignment is over, he's gonna get suspended.
12:28 --> 12:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Ten games, he's gonna appeal it, so I'm guessing I'll go down to a week, but tiny bit longer initially off the bat than we thought.
12:36 --> 12:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I figured it would be somewhere between six to eight games.
12:40 --> 12:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe five to eight games is right because I think Manima Chotto got about five when he threw the bat back in twenty twelve all those years ago.
12:47 --> 12:50 [SPEAKER_00]: But I guess this is what happens when you throw your bat.
12:50 --> 12:56 [SPEAKER_00]: It is looked at so much differently than when you charge the mound if you throw your helmet down, if you threw the bat down, etc.
12:58 --> 13:05 [SPEAKER_00]: The bigger question now because we already talked about everything that went down with the fight and with the altercation when it happened to Roblese on Sunday.
13:05 --> 13:10 [SPEAKER_00]: This is now more about how the Mariners maneuver this until he comes back.
13:11 --> 13:13 [SPEAKER_02]: The easiest way to maneuver it.
13:13 --> 13:17 [SPEAKER_02]: So let's just start off with where the Mariners were what they were thinking initially.
13:18 --> 13:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Before he threw his bat at the pitcher, they were targeting next week, the week before September starts to bring him back.
13:24 --> 13:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Once the Mariners get back at home, against the A's and against the pod race.
13:29 --> 13:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, I think they're going to try it.
13:32 --> 13:55 [SPEAKER_02]: If his rehab assignment allows him to be stretched back to September first, which I believe it does, then they're going to wait until September first when the roster is stretched to twenty eight, and the murders are essentially just going to not add, they'll add him, but they're essentially just not going to add a position player, and they're going to add one other picture on the other side, but that part doesn't really matter as much.
13:55 --> 14:01 [SPEAKER_02]: I think they will just play essentially, quote unquote, a man down for the first ten days of September.
14:01 --> 14:05 [SPEAKER_02]: And then after that, they will have the extra player on their roster.
14:05 --> 14:11 [SPEAKER_02]: I would guess if we're talking about like, robust specifically, I think they'll just kind of leave him on the roster once it expands.
14:13 --> 14:15 [SPEAKER_00]: That's probably the most logical.
14:15 --> 14:21 [SPEAKER_00]: And they just play with a twenty six man roster instead of a twenty eight man one September first hits.
14:22 --> 14:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Or twenty seven.
14:23 --> 14:24 [SPEAKER_00]: It'd be twenty seven.
14:24 --> 14:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, he's hit your right because you'll have the picture.
14:26 --> 14:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
14:27 --> 14:27 [SPEAKER_00]: So.
14:29 --> 14:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Is there any chance they do anything else?
14:32 --> 14:54 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't see any benefit now that you know he's going to be suspended of adding him earlier because regardless, what's going to hurt Vic and this is is going to hurt him no matter when you activate him the bummer about all of this as I think I mentioned when we're talked about the the incident to start is that he now like once is rehab assignment is done that's when this suspension kicks in he can't play in games
14:55 --> 15:04 [SPEAKER_02]: For those, those ten days, he's doing all this work on his rehab assignment to get himself game ready to play for the Mariners and get him back up to speed.
15:04 --> 15:16 [SPEAKER_02]: And while if he, this ten game suspension gets upheld, he will, he will work his butt off to get those fifty played appearances in and feeling comfortable against velocity against breaking stuff again after all this time off.
15:16 --> 15:19 [SPEAKER_02]: And then he's going to have to sit cold turkey for ten days.
15:19 --> 15:22 [SPEAKER_02]: He can't play in games at any level while he's suspended.
15:22 --> 15:32 [SPEAKER_00]: He can still work out, so he can still do BP early, and he can still hit off the Trigack machine down on the clubhouse, so there are things he can still do, but yes, he will not see live pitching for ten days.
15:32 --> 15:33 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not the same.
15:33 --> 15:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Unfortunately not the same.
15:34 --> 15:36 [SPEAKER_00]: No, and it hurts him.
15:36 --> 15:41 [SPEAKER_00]: It really does, because, again, like you said, it's ten days off without baseball.
15:41 --> 15:43 [SPEAKER_00]: He's already trying to ramp the plate appearances back up.
15:44 --> 15:50 [SPEAKER_00]: And for a guy that had a pencil then starting spot on the roster at the start of the year, I don't know exactly what his role is going to be now.
15:50 --> 15:53 [SPEAKER_00]: He'll probably just put him with Camzone when he comes back.
15:54 --> 15:59 [SPEAKER_00]: But it is a little murky or now that it was not that he's not going to be on the roster just how much he's going to play.
16:00 --> 16:06 [SPEAKER_02]: It does not give the Mariners many, many fun choices for what they want.
16:06 --> 16:09 [SPEAKER_02]: I guess it helps dealing more in Donovan, Solano out right now.
16:10 --> 16:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Is there any chance they could just try to get the suspension over with as soon as possible?
16:18 --> 16:22 [SPEAKER_00]: And you play a few days and you play a few days starting next week with a man down.
16:24 --> 16:32 [SPEAKER_00]: until he's back on September, third, fourth, aka like, could you move on from dealing more than play a man down for a few days?
16:32 --> 16:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Because the Mariners often play like they only have twelve positions players anyway.
16:36 --> 16:40 [SPEAKER_02]: They could, it might be better if they do it sooner.
16:40 --> 16:47 [SPEAKER_02]: But with the roster's expanding, I just don't, I don't see the benefit in doing it.
16:47 --> 16:48 [SPEAKER_02]: But like guys,
16:49 --> 16:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Guys.
16:50 --> 16:54 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, to be fair, it's not a benefit to keep doing more on the roster.
16:54 --> 16:55 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, amend my statement.
16:57 --> 17:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna say it again, I really hate doing this, having to talk about people's jobs, but for some reason, the Mariners force us to keep doing it with the decisions they make.
17:06 --> 17:07 [SPEAKER_00]: So here we go.
17:07 --> 17:21 [SPEAKER_00]: In the last three months, Dylan Moore is OPS, not batting average, not on base, OPSing, on base plus logging percentage, one, thirty, three against left-handed pitching over the last three months.
17:22 --> 17:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Somehow he has made his way into the starting lineup here on Tuesday.
17:28 --> 17:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't know what to say here, guys.
17:30 --> 17:34 [SPEAKER_00]: They sent down Miles, MasterBony twice despite hitting three hundred over a three-month stretch.
17:35 --> 17:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't really, if you had to play a man down without Dylan Moore for the next few days, I could live with it.
17:42 --> 17:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I could live with it, too.
17:43 --> 17:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Given their approach to every non-lay duty to various player on a roster with how they've managed it this season, though, I just don't see it.
17:51 --> 17:52 [SPEAKER_02]: I think they'll wait until September.
17:54 --> 17:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Do they think they're fooling people at this point seriously?
17:56 --> 17:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I hope not.
17:58 --> 18:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, we're tweeting out plenty of stats on Monday about it.
18:03 --> 18:05 [SPEAKER_02]: It's as clear as day.
18:05 --> 18:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I don't, there's, there's something there.
18:09 --> 18:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Something that, clearly, that's not public that is keeping him on the roster.
18:14 --> 18:17 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what it is because everything you and I can dig up.
18:19 --> 18:22 [SPEAKER_02]: is gives no case, gives zero case for it.
18:23 --> 18:33 [SPEAKER_00]: So my fear is, my fear is the case is, well, MasterBony has an option, which with thirty-five games to go is a totally unserious reason to be sending somebody down.
18:34 --> 18:41 [SPEAKER_02]: But for that exact reason of operating the roster makes me think they're just going to wait for Vic until September first.
18:41 --> 18:43 [SPEAKER_02]: But I just want to leave the roster how it is.
18:45 --> 18:48 [SPEAKER_00]: So, so you think he might be here all year.
18:50 --> 18:51 [SPEAKER_02]: I hope not.
18:54 --> 18:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Our friend Jade was tweeting out about that possibility.
18:57 --> 19:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, can't they just bring Ben Williams and back on September first even if you have to play a man down?
19:03 --> 19:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Couldn't you make that move on September first once you feel like Ben potentially has had enough played appearances down in AAA and you make that swap?
19:09 --> 19:12 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure you could, but then they would have to cut somebody.
19:14 --> 19:20 [SPEAKER_02]: And then again, it just like it all comes down to the cutting somebody besides Leodie to Varus.
19:21 --> 19:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then even if you call Benback up, Mastro still down in the miners, Leodie still down in the miner.
19:28 --> 19:29 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know man.
19:30 --> 19:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
19:30 --> 19:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know where you want people to tell us.
19:31 --> 19:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Like we get questions every single day about this.
19:34 --> 19:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Guys, I promise if we had an answer, we'd be giving you an answer.
19:37 --> 19:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Like we are as befuddled as everybody else.
19:39 --> 19:45 [SPEAKER_02]: We don't like saying I don't know, but truly in this situation, I have no clue why they're doing this.
19:48 --> 19:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what they'll be of all.
19:50 --> 19:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Bye.
19:51 --> 19:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Regardless, this situation for Vic does not help him out at all.
19:55 --> 19:56 [SPEAKER_02]: It does not help him.
19:56 --> 19:59 [SPEAKER_02]: It does not help the Mariners that they have to play a man down this entire time.
20:00 --> 20:01 [SPEAKER_02]: It does not benefit anybody.
20:02 --> 20:02 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah.
20:03 --> 20:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Don't throw your bat at the pitcher throw it anywhere else anywhere else.
20:06 --> 20:07 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to repeat it.
20:07 --> 20:08 [SPEAKER_02]: You're ever mad.
20:08 --> 20:13 [SPEAKER_02]: You're playing baseball and you want to throw your bat throw it anywhere besides the pitcher anywhere besides it.
20:13 --> 20:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Just spike it into the ground.
20:14 --> 20:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
20:15 --> 20:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
20:15 --> 20:16 [SPEAKER_02]: You can throw it as hard as you want.
20:18 --> 20:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I still stand with Victor Robles.
20:19 --> 20:24 [SPEAKER_00]: But yes, spike it into the ground for the sake of Major League Baseball, not giving you a ten game suspension.
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21:02 --> 21:06 [SPEAKER_02]: It was good to catch up with the other half of the Met's fandom.
21:06 --> 21:09 [SPEAKER_02]: We started with Frank before the series, one tone.
21:10 --> 21:15 [SPEAKER_02]: We ended the weekend with a different tone of Met's fandom and our friend, Draftneck Mark.
21:15 --> 21:17 [SPEAKER_02]: But he's not just a Met's guy as you guys know.
21:17 --> 21:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Very popular YouTube YouTuber, Giraffe Neckmark on YouTube almost three hundred thousand subscribers.
21:23 --> 21:25 [SPEAKER_02]: He talks about all the teams in Major League Baseball.
21:25 --> 21:27 [SPEAKER_02]: He had some very nice things to say about the Mariners.
21:28 --> 21:30 [SPEAKER_02]: And I really enjoyed the last bit of our conversation.
21:30 --> 21:34 [SPEAKER_02]: We got to talk about expansion a little bit.
21:34 --> 21:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Expansion and the realignment that Rob Mannford talked about on the Sunday Night Baseball broadcast that I thought was a good starting point.
21:41 --> 21:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe that's an offseason subject for us.
21:42 --> 21:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that would be good.
21:43 --> 21:44 [SPEAKER_02]: A good offseason.
21:44 --> 21:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Topic of how the Mariners can make that work.
21:47 --> 21:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Sounds like a potential to be a lockout topic.
21:51 --> 21:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Perfect.
21:52 --> 21:54 [SPEAKER_00]: We have a lot of time to cover.
21:54 --> 21:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we do.
21:56 --> 21:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, the point being is TJ's right.
21:58 --> 21:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Marks the man.
21:59 --> 22:00 [SPEAKER_00]: He's been a friend of ours for a while now.
22:01 --> 22:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Awesome dude.
22:02 --> 22:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Ball Noah and to sit and talk with him for a while was a blast, especially right after a Mariners met series and especially with somebody that can preview the whole league with us.
22:10 --> 22:11 [SPEAKER_02]: We won't keep you guys any longer.
22:12 --> 22:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's get you to the interview with Mark Luino.
22:17 --> 22:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Right, we got our friend Mark Luino on with us.
22:20 --> 22:26 [SPEAKER_02]: You know him better as draft Nick Mark, almost at three hundred thousand on YouTube Mark and Grat's also.
22:26 --> 22:28 [SPEAKER_02]: That's an amazing number.
22:28 --> 22:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Also the co-host of the Met's up podcast with your friend James.
22:32 --> 22:33 [SPEAKER_02]: They do some awesome work over there.
22:33 --> 22:37 [SPEAKER_02]: You can listen to them talk very positively about the Met's Mariners series from this past week.
22:37 --> 22:44 [SPEAKER_02]: And if you're that curious or you can come over to Low and I, we can sarcastically say that the Mariners are back in the gutter yet again.
22:45 --> 22:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Question Lee Gioff here, Mark.
22:47 --> 22:53 [SPEAKER_02]: What percentage of Frank the tank's rage do you think is warranted for Metz fans these days?
22:53 --> 22:58 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, this year's one of those in particular where I do think is crash outs feel a little bit more warranted.
22:58 --> 23:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I think myself behind closed doors, maybe not on cameras, had similarish crash outs this season with some of the decision-making in the way that the Metz have blown games, even how we lost Friday night to you guys.
23:08 --> 23:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I was in the ballpark.
23:09 --> 23:12 [SPEAKER_01]: That was one of those that I quickly wanted to forget.
23:12 --> 23:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd say he's been about
23:15 --> 23:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Thirty-five percent right this year.
23:17 --> 23:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I know I know a lot of people like to say Frank was right Frank was right, but this season has been a little bit more, but you know broke locks right twice a day as well
23:26 --> 23:27 [SPEAKER_01]: What's his approval rating these days?
23:28 --> 23:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's still very low.
23:29 --> 23:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I think among Met's fans, it's extremely low.
23:31 --> 23:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't really know actual Met's fans that are like taking in his cons, and I do think it's for everybody else to boyin' laugh at us.
23:41 --> 23:43 [SPEAKER_00]: How have you dealt with the last two months of Met's Facebook?
23:43 --> 23:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, this past weekend was good, and you went to a three, and you went in the game and William's poor, but
23:48 --> 23:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Over the last two months, the narrative has been out there about how the meds have played and it hasn't been all that pretty.
23:53 --> 23:54 [SPEAKER_00]: So how have you taken it in?
23:54 --> 23:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Not well, not well at all.
23:57 --> 23:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I really do think that this team should be very good.
23:59 --> 24:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they spend all this money.
24:01 --> 24:02 [SPEAKER_01]: They have good baseball players.
24:02 --> 24:05 [SPEAKER_01]: The pitching is always going to be a little bit shaky with the way that David serves operates.
24:06 --> 24:10 [SPEAKER_01]: But the way that these last few months have gone, it's exhausting, it's tiring.
24:10 --> 24:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll tell you what, there's a lot more nights going out and hanging out with friends rather than being like, you know what, I need to make sure I stay around and watch this meds game start to finish because there's only so much you can take.
24:20 --> 24:32 [SPEAKER_01]: And when these two months have been as awful as they have, I think the meds and the Yankees were basically the worst team in baseball over the same stretch worse than the Rockies who might be the worst team ever to play in major league baseball history.
24:33 --> 24:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Let the people at home know how that feels.
24:35 --> 24:36 [SPEAKER_01]: It feels pretty horrible.
24:36 --> 24:37 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not fun.
24:38 --> 24:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna get at the names that some of them, that the mets are thrown out there on the mound.
24:42 --> 24:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Like you said it, they're not cheap.
24:44 --> 24:46 [SPEAKER_02]: So why do the names look cheap for the players on the mound?
24:47 --> 24:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's just kind of how Dave serves operates.
24:49 --> 24:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we've had some injuries because he doesn't, I think he only wants to spend money on marquee pitching.
24:55 --> 25:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And truthfully, this offseason, the only like two marquee pictures were freed in burns that were truly available.
25:01 --> 25:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Burns, obviously, blood is elbow.
25:03 --> 25:03 [SPEAKER_01]: So that was,
25:03 --> 25:12 [SPEAKER_01]: That was kind of a good miss by us and then max freed then Yankees gave me eight years like there was just no place in the world that David serves ever going to hand that out to max freed.
25:12 --> 25:25 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think he's just waiting for the right guy and or they really think this pitching lab in the miners is going to just start churning out talent and we saw a little bit of it in the series against you guys with normal playing pitching on Saturday.
25:25 --> 25:27 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think he's just trying to kind of
25:27 --> 25:55 [SPEAKER_01]: get to the point where that minor league system similar to yours you just turn out these absolute horses weekend year and year out that can go out and be cheap free awesome pitching how good can McLean and guys like Tong be when they get here like is there upside true top of a rotation starters I think Tong more so McLean I still think is going to be a very good starter I don't know where his ceiling is just yet his fastball really isn't
25:55 --> 25:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Very good.
25:56 --> 26:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I know it sounds crazy because it throws like ninety six, but the shape isn't particularly great.
26:00 --> 26:03 [SPEAKER_01]: The difference maker is that the sweeper slash slider and curve ball.
26:04 --> 26:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Those are pitches that we don't see in major league baseball.
26:06 --> 26:11 [SPEAKER_01]: The RPMs are higher than we've seen on any pitch this season for those two pitches respectively.
26:11 --> 26:15 [SPEAKER_01]: The control and the command that he has to those pitches, they help get out both varieties and lefties.
26:16 --> 26:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I think McLean's gonna be more of like
26:18 --> 26:23 [SPEAKER_01]: The dog like Matt Harvey type guy in this rotation for projecting out for the future where he's gonna come at you.
26:23 --> 26:24 [SPEAKER_01]: He's gonna throw hard.
26:24 --> 26:25 [SPEAKER_01]: He's gonna attack the zone.
26:26 --> 26:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Looked to strike you out.
26:26 --> 26:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Looked to get weak contact.
26:28 --> 26:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Where Jonah Tongg is that guy who could be like a future number one.
26:31 --> 26:33 [SPEAKER_01]: He has such an insane ceiling.
26:34 --> 26:38 [SPEAKER_01]: He's so freaky with what his pitchships are, his repertoire is crazy.
26:38 --> 26:41 [SPEAKER_01]: He just got up to triple A recently and dominated.
26:41 --> 26:44 [SPEAKER_01]: It's making Metz fans think that maybe there's even an outside shot.
26:44 --> 26:46 [SPEAKER_01]: He can make a start this season because he's that good.
26:47 --> 26:47 [SPEAKER_01]: That's crazy.
26:48 --> 26:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Alright, let me follow up on one thing you said.
26:49 --> 26:56 [SPEAKER_00]: You said the meds have played about as bad a baseball as the Rockies have in the last two months and you said the Rockies might be the worst team of all time.
26:57 --> 27:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Are you taking the twenty twenty five Rockies is the worst team ever over the twenty twenty four white socks?
27:02 --> 27:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Man, that's so tough.
27:04 --> 27:19 [SPEAKER_01]: The reason I say no is because the difference being that the Rockies have to play half their gaming cores and then reacquimate back to sea level when they go on the road, which is like low key the most difficult thing ever for the Rockies to do in a big reason why they struggle so much.
27:20 --> 27:22 [SPEAKER_01]: That's like something they kind of can't control.
27:22 --> 27:29 [SPEAKER_01]: That's more environmental and they kind of get screwed because they play in Colorado and in Denver where the white socks were just objectively horrible.
27:29 --> 27:33 [SPEAKER_01]: There was almost no good players on that entire roster.
27:33 --> 27:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Like one through twenty six, there's maybe like two or three guys that you're gonna be seeing in the league in the next couple years.
27:39 --> 27:42 [SPEAKER_02]: But I don't even really think there are good players on the current Rock East team.
27:42 --> 27:44 [SPEAKER_02]: No, there's a strike out more.
27:44 --> 27:45 [SPEAKER_02]: There's a strike out more.
27:45 --> 27:48 [SPEAKER_01]: They've scored less runs.
27:48 --> 27:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I do like, like, as you go tow bar, I like Jordan back.
27:51 --> 27:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And I do think, like weirdly, they actually have some good pitchers like with Dolanda and set Halverson who just blood his arm.
27:56 --> 28:01 [SPEAKER_01]: But at the same time, doesn't really matter if you're a good pitcher, you're pitching after games and cores, you're going to stink.
28:03 --> 28:03 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a very point.
28:04 --> 28:06 [SPEAKER_02]: I have one more meds question for you before we get to the amps.
28:06 --> 28:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Hey man, we asked the tour buddy Frank on Friday and I want to ask it to you.
28:10 --> 28:11 [SPEAKER_02]: is once so to a bust.
28:11 --> 28:12 [SPEAKER_01]: No, absolutely not.
28:12 --> 28:16 [SPEAKER_01]: He is never going to live up to that contract.
28:16 --> 28:18 [SPEAKER_01]: It is physically impossible.
28:18 --> 28:21 [SPEAKER_01]: The amount of money that the meds paid him is unreasonable.
28:21 --> 28:23 [SPEAKER_01]: But at the same time, it's not my money.
28:24 --> 28:25 [SPEAKER_01]: It's Steve Cohen's money.
28:25 --> 28:32 [SPEAKER_01]: If he wants to spend seven hundred million dollars on one player and make him the highest paid player in sports history, I'm so happy that that's my owner.
28:32 --> 28:33 [SPEAKER_01]: We had the will ponds.
28:34 --> 28:35 [SPEAKER_01]: who wouldn't spend any amount of money.
28:35 --> 28:39 [SPEAKER_01]: So for any met fan to be upset, I won't want those doing this year.
28:39 --> 28:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Which, by the way, still an incredible season at the play.
28:42 --> 28:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Thirty, twenty first guy in league with thirty homers, twenty stolen bases.
28:45 --> 28:47 [SPEAKER_01]: The OPS is approaching nine hundred.
28:47 --> 28:49 [SPEAKER_01]: He's a horrendous right fielder, but we knew this.
28:50 --> 28:51 [SPEAKER_01]: He can't play that position.
28:51 --> 28:52 [SPEAKER_01]: He will be a DH.
28:52 --> 28:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't care when he hits at the plate.
28:54 --> 28:55 [SPEAKER_01]: He's one of the ten best hitters in baseball.
28:56 --> 28:59 [SPEAKER_01]: that he's physically back in the top ten right now.
28:59 --> 29:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like that's why it's like, it's so crazy because his peak is insane, especially for the age that he's at.
29:06 --> 29:12 [SPEAKER_01]: So when he doesn't play at a thousand OPS, people are screaming bust, people are screaming the wash that he's overpaid.
29:12 --> 29:15 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like the same thing that we did with Harper the first year in Philly.
29:15 --> 29:16 [SPEAKER_01]: We did it with Machado.
29:16 --> 29:16 [SPEAKER_01]: We did with Lendor.
29:17 --> 29:22 [SPEAKER_01]: All these superstars for the most part, like have a little bit of an adjustment period when they go to a new team in a new city.
29:22 --> 29:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, and so it was gonna be just fine.
29:24 --> 29:27 [SPEAKER_00]: He's seventh in OPS plus right now, I believe.
29:27 --> 29:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I think he's doing okay.
29:28 --> 29:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Dang it.
29:29 --> 29:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I hate that.
29:29 --> 29:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Why couldn't he be top five?
29:31 --> 29:32 [SPEAKER_01]: This guy spinks what a bust.
29:35 --> 29:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I just want you to know that every single Seattle Mariners fan on planet earth is jealous of you guys having Steve Cohen is your owner.
29:41 --> 29:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's that's why I've always liked you guys.
29:43 --> 29:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Like the Mariners as an organization is it feels like we are like cousins where it's just like for a while we had owners that didn't spend just like you guys.
29:52 --> 30:03 [SPEAKER_01]: And there hasn't been a lost success, there's been a lot of pain, there's been a lot of suffering, feels like for me, if the meds don't do well, I'm openly rooting for the mariners to win the world series this year.
30:03 --> 30:06 [SPEAKER_02]: And they have these awesome trades that we can go back and revisit.
30:06 --> 30:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Like talk about the legend of New York Met's second baseman Robinson Cano or Seattle Mariners legend Jared Kelnick.
30:14 --> 30:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, did a lot.
30:16 --> 30:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, the last time we talked about that trade.
30:18 --> 30:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it was right in the middle of twenty April of twenty three when he was on his hot streak, but revisiting it now of the mix.
30:24 --> 30:26 [SPEAKER_00]: The Met sadly very much won that trade.
30:26 --> 30:28 [SPEAKER_01]: You guys got goose on Batista too.
30:28 --> 30:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Can't forget that.
30:29 --> 30:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
30:29 --> 30:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel a little bit closer than we think.
30:31 --> 30:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Dude, I don't even know where he is now.
30:34 --> 30:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I think he's better for like the Long Island ducks.
30:36 --> 30:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think anybody's paying that guy real money to play baseball anymore.
30:39 --> 30:40 [SPEAKER_00]: That sounds right.
30:40 --> 30:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Are there any like Jared?
30:41 --> 30:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's Jared's still back up on the big leagues.
30:44 --> 30:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, they called him up a few weeks ago.
30:46 --> 30:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's see if he's still up.
30:48 --> 30:49 [SPEAKER_01]: See even still on the Braves.
30:49 --> 30:50 [SPEAKER_01]: What team is he on?
30:50 --> 30:51 [SPEAKER_01]: He's still brave.
30:51 --> 30:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
30:52 --> 30:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
30:52 --> 30:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's
30:53 --> 31:12 [SPEAKER_02]: What a crazy fall back I had and I wasn't rooting for because I was like I loved him as a prospect, but it is crazy how bad he's been Yeah, he like his prospect profile changed so much over the years like I really think his year-home doing absolutely nothing was probably the worst thing that ever happened
31:12 --> 31:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it gets talked about enough that that led that year when a lot of these prospects did nothing.
31:16 --> 31:21 [SPEAKER_01]: It pushed back their development a lot, like even for the Metzic Brebedian Ronnie Mauricio and even Vientos.
31:21 --> 31:29 [SPEAKER_01]: These were guys that were like on the fast track, took a little bit extra to get there, but now you're starting to see what consistent playing time and being a part of a major league baseball team that things can turn around.
31:30 --> 31:44 [SPEAKER_02]: And if you remember Mark, but as a prospect, Jared was like, gap to gap power, high average, he was going to be primarily a doubles hitter, he was going to play great defense, he was going to steal bases, and then he like shows up in twenty twenty one in his arms are massive.
31:44 --> 31:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, he felt like he was going to be like a Christian yellowish type player, where he was like, maybe not center field at an elite rate, but he'll be a good corner outfielder and have like, get on base to, he was patient.
31:54 --> 31:54 [SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy.
31:54 --> 31:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I remember seeing those pictures of him, I'm like,
31:57 --> 32:01 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I was like, I'm even more in this guy's even stronger, like, oh my God.
32:02 --> 32:03 [SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy.
32:04 --> 32:06 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners failed him in a lot of ways.
32:06 --> 32:08 [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of it's on him, but in a lot of ways they failed him.
32:09 --> 32:20 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's not just the COVID thing, because nobody could control that, but they rushed him up extremely fast, because in twenty one, after basically not playing a whole minor league year, he didn't make the team out of camp.
32:20 --> 32:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you remember in twenty one how the minor league season was still delayed a month?
32:23 --> 32:24 [SPEAKER_02]: And so so weird.
32:25 --> 32:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
32:26 --> 32:29 [SPEAKER_00]: He played six games in Triple A that year and they're like, oh, he's good.
32:29 --> 32:30 [SPEAKER_00]: He's been off a year.
32:30 --> 32:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's just yank him up because the offense was playing like dog shit.
32:33 --> 32:35 [SPEAKER_00]: They said we need somebody to save it and it was a disaster.
32:36 --> 32:39 [SPEAKER_00]: And he hit him lead off in his first game is for like in his debut.
32:39 --> 32:41 [SPEAKER_00]: He hit lead off just a little bit of pressure right there.
32:42 --> 32:56 [SPEAKER_02]: As opposed to what we see with this current Mariners team like you have a top thirty five prospect and Cole Young who got Two months two whole months into coma then they bring him up and he has been hitting Eighth or ninth every single game.
32:57 --> 32:57 [SPEAKER_02]: He's been up.
32:57 --> 33:00 [SPEAKER_02]: He's been hitting really well Mark for like the last month and a half.
33:00 --> 33:01 [SPEAKER_02]: He's been amazing.
33:02 --> 33:03 [SPEAKER_02]: He's not moved out of the eight nine spot.
33:04 --> 33:04 [SPEAKER_01]: It'll call you.
33:04 --> 33:05 [SPEAKER_01]: He's like cool.
33:05 --> 33:06 [SPEAKER_01]: He's got a pressure
33:06 --> 33:17 [SPEAKER_01]: He's one of those two were like uh, for a while I was really into like home run picks because I can get a lot in Jersey and New York and he always had like plus like a thousand and I was a kid's eggs and feels are good like this guy hits the ball hard.
33:18 --> 33:20 [SPEAKER_01]: If he puts it in the air he's got a shot to hit some home runs.
33:21 --> 33:25 [SPEAKER_02]: He's the longest home run for a mayor in this year because he's really that's crazy.
33:26 --> 33:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
33:26 --> 33:28 [SPEAKER_02]: He get one in the second deck in right field.
33:30 --> 33:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, he added some power this offseason.
33:33 --> 33:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I think, and his profile ultimately hasn't changed that much in the sense of, which is a good thing.
33:37 --> 33:42 [SPEAKER_00]: And I mean that in a good way, where very patient knows the strike zone extremely well, draws his walks.
33:42 --> 33:45 [SPEAKER_00]: But if you make a mistake to him, he'll punish it.
33:45 --> 33:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, we're sitting here recording on Monday, and the Mariners are in the middle of a series with the fillies, and he absolutely ambushed the ball at Citizens Bank, because
33:52 --> 34:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Jordan Miramato made a massive mistake pitch and he absolutely capitalized on it and he crushed it so it's funny on those whole on those home run picks that you're gonna make with good odds Not that Cole Young's gonna ever hit thirty a year but he will get into a few a year when you make a mistake and he can actually hit it a long way It's cool and especially when they eventually get them towards the top of the order, which is what I think they probably project for him for the future like he's gonna be getting some big abats.
34:14 --> 34:14 [SPEAKER_01]: He's a football player.
34:14 --> 34:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I like Cole Young a lot
34:16 --> 34:25 [SPEAKER_02]: And the difference between I think him and Jared when we come to like when it comes to like hitting the ball a lot harder, I think Jared put it in his mind that he's going to start hitting a bunch of home runs.
34:25 --> 34:29 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think Cole Young is ever has in his mind that he's going to hit a bunch of home runs.
34:29 --> 34:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I don't know if you noticed this on the swing here on Monday.
34:33 --> 34:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Like that's like there was like a two strike swing from Cole.
34:35 --> 34:36 [SPEAKER_02]: He didn't even pick his foot up.
34:37 --> 35:01 [SPEAKER_02]: on that pitch and he's still smacked out of the park knows litter it was one of the most impressive things he he is he's awesome he's awesome dude awesome prospect and the mariner second basement have been dog shit for so so long since Robbie left so straight it is been a black hole of nothingness and he is he's coming and saved it so all right
35:01 --> 35:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Here's a good question for you because I mean you see these guys all the time the Mariners are right in the middle of the series with the fillies when the episode comes out Wednesday they'll get set for the finale What do you make of the fillies this year is it anything different than they've been in the last few seasons where it's just hit a bunch of home runs pitch extremely well in their rotation no I think that I think they're the same team that they have been it's like
35:21 --> 35:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I hate a lot of bad fans like you're talking about the Philly's window closing, and I think we all understand from a roster standpoint that the Philly's window is getting smaller, right?
35:30 --> 35:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Because Harper and Turner and all these guys are getting older and troopers of reagent at the end of the year.
35:34 --> 35:40 [SPEAKER_01]: But at the end of the day, when things go right, if the fillings go right, they're one of the three best teams in baseball and paper.
35:40 --> 35:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I think there's no doubt the starting pitching is great.
35:42 --> 35:44 [SPEAKER_01]: That line up is good enough.
35:44 --> 35:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the top is really great.
35:45 --> 35:50 [SPEAKER_01]: And then you kind of like the rest of teams in baseball, the middle half to bottom is really not that strong.
35:50 --> 35:51 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a little inconsistent.
35:52 --> 35:52 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the bullpen.
35:52 --> 35:53 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the biggest thing.
35:53 --> 35:54 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what screwed them last year.
35:54 --> 35:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Like if you look back at that met series, the bullpen cost them those games.
35:58 --> 36:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Like they just couldn't hold a lead, which is music to my ears.
36:01 --> 36:03 [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know if they did enough to address it.
36:03 --> 36:05 [SPEAKER_01]: We just saw Joanne Durand get hurt too.
36:05 --> 36:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Like that's scary for the fillies because they need that bullpen because everything else is totally a world series contending roster.
36:12 --> 36:13 [SPEAKER_01]: How do you stack up them in the Dodgers?
36:15 --> 36:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
36:15 --> 36:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel so weird about every team in baseball right now.
36:18 --> 36:22 [SPEAKER_01]: The Dodgers are not screaming favorites to win the world series right now.
36:22 --> 36:27 [SPEAKER_01]: A huge reason is Moogie being like ill basically or whatever he's got going on.
36:27 --> 36:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Like he's just not had a good season for any Freeman's not having for power.
36:30 --> 36:34 [SPEAKER_01]: But then we'll Smith decides to be one of the best hitters in baseball and you still have Otonian.
36:34 --> 36:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey Oscar and everybody, but this is also probably exactly what the Dodgers want, coast into the playoffs, be healthy for when you get to October and then go on an insane run like they did last year.
36:47 --> 36:50 [SPEAKER_00]: It is crazy how many injuries they endure in their rotation.
36:50 --> 37:02 [SPEAKER_00]: They always usually seem to form their best of their best rotation, come play off time, and they seem to get all these guys back, but it is wild how many times you're over year, they go through so many arms, which is obviously part of part of this too.
37:02 --> 37:13 [SPEAKER_01]: No, they pumped through guys, but they also look at guys that tend to have more injury risk too, because when they're healthy, like a Tyler glass that we're a Blake snail, they're the best pictures baseball.
37:14 --> 37:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
37:15 --> 37:18 [SPEAKER_02]: I'd love to get to ask you about some American-like teams too, but let's start with the Mariners first.
37:19 --> 37:23 [SPEAKER_02]: What do you make of the Mariners right now sitting two or three weeks post deadline?
37:24 --> 37:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I know it probably feels weird to say because you just lost the fillings and lost tears to the meds, but like I do think the Mariners are maybe the best team in the American League, at least on paper.
37:32 --> 37:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I love the rotation.
37:33 --> 37:35 [SPEAKER_01]: The bullpen's also very good.
37:35 --> 37:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, there's just a lot of really, really good arms and tough at.
37:38 --> 37:49 [SPEAKER_01]: of that bats, especially come playoff time when you have the strike out like a Logan Gilbert does, where you have an Andrés Munoz, who I know is a little bit of a heart attack king, but he still gets the job done, seemingly every single time.
37:49 --> 37:57 [SPEAKER_01]: The biggest thing and the biggest reason why I do believe in the Mariners as like a legit world series contender right now is the fact that they addressed the offense.
37:57 --> 38:00 [SPEAKER_01]: They had the two massive holes in that line up at third basing first base.
38:01 --> 38:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Josh Nailers, awesome, I know.
38:02 --> 38:07 [SPEAKER_01]: A Uhanio hasn't been playing up to par just yet, but I think he's gonna turn it around.
38:07 --> 38:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Those two bats add into that line up like, I was at the games this weekend watching the Mets and the Mariners.
38:12 --> 38:13 [SPEAKER_01]: The line up is deeply.
38:13 --> 38:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Dad, there's no easy outs anymore when they put out their best nine.
38:18 --> 38:19 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's what those people really excited.
38:19 --> 38:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Everybody seems to say this is the deepest lineup they've had since arguably two thousand one when they won a hundred and sixteen.
38:26 --> 38:36 [SPEAKER_00]: And this has been their theme year over year that they're just seems to be a spotter to every year that they don't address and it lingers where this year at the deadline they had those couple of spots and they didn't mess around.
38:36 --> 38:38 [SPEAKER_00]: They went out and filled them.
38:38 --> 38:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I know for a lot of people in the first ten games, it's been a little bit of a slow start for genome and is returned to Seattle, but I think the three of us all know he is one of the streakyest hitters in baseball.
38:48 --> 38:55 [SPEAKER_00]: So he's in the middle of a cold stretch right now, but then he when he gets hot, he's gonna hit, I don't know, forehome runs in nine games or something like that.
38:55 --> 39:02 [SPEAKER_01]: And then just even like going back to like last year's deadline, like grabbing Randy and how good Randy has been for that team and how awesome he is.
39:03 --> 39:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Like that is one of the most underrated moves of the entire deadline.
39:06 --> 39:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like in the last few years, you guys gave him good prospects.
39:09 --> 39:11 [SPEAKER_01]: We're obviously doing great things for the race right now.
39:12 --> 39:14 [SPEAKER_01]: But you kind of don't care because they're not helping you right now.
39:14 --> 39:16 [SPEAKER_01]: We're Randy is an impact player.
39:16 --> 39:17 [SPEAKER_01]: He's an all star.
39:17 --> 39:18 [SPEAKER_01]: He's your lead off hitter.
39:19 --> 39:24 [SPEAKER_01]: He's having a phenomenal year, which is something you don't see too often as you guys know from right handed hitters in Seattle.
39:25 --> 39:34 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's what I was trying to push the mindset going up to the deadline when you mentioned like yeah, they gave up good prospects and I think Brody Hopkins and Aiden Smith like have real futures and major league baseball.
39:34 --> 39:38 [SPEAKER_02]: I think the Mariners really liked those guys and it hurt to give them up.
39:38 --> 39:50 [SPEAKER_02]: But then look at the Mariners farm system one year later after all of these trades all of these trades Randy Josh Nailer Genos war as and you look at it's like oh the Mariners have nine top one hundred prospects like
39:51 --> 40:06 [SPEAKER_01]: straight the prospects straight up you can you can replenish them I think you always have to trade the prospects and especially like you're not giving up generational guys if they end up being these all start players like tip your cap to the team that trade for them they developed them well good job but like you're not trading
40:07 --> 40:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Lail Dallas to freeze like who just got traded like by the podries like you haven't moved those guys yet.
40:12 --> 40:13 [SPEAKER_01]: It's it's kind of a no-brainer for them.
40:14 --> 40:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're not trading Colt Emerson for example.
40:16 --> 40:23 [SPEAKER_00]: It is guys far below him that they're dealing away in these trades, which like TJ said, you can bring back in future drafts or other trades.
40:24 --> 40:27 [SPEAKER_01]: If you guys are ever looking to trade Lizara Montes, happy to take him.
40:27 --> 40:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Happy to take him.
40:28 --> 40:28 [SPEAKER_01]: That's my guy.
40:29 --> 40:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, what what are the meds offering?
40:31 --> 40:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, don't worry about that.
40:33 --> 40:34 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll just I'll pick them up.
40:34 --> 40:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll drive them.
40:35 --> 40:36 [SPEAKER_01]: It will be ill be fair just trust me.
40:38 --> 40:39 [SPEAKER_00]: That's funny, you say that.
40:40 --> 40:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Lazz discourse among the Mariner fan base has gotten very, I'll just say, it's gotten very toxic.
40:47 --> 40:52 [SPEAKER_00]: And we like, it's gotten toxic to the point where it's like, look, we love Lazz.
40:53 --> 40:58 [SPEAKER_00]: If it all clicks, he's got a chance to be a star, obviously he's got insane power, lots of them do.
40:58 --> 41:00 [SPEAKER_00]: We love talking to him every time we talk to him.
41:01 --> 41:06 [SPEAKER_00]: But there are Mariner's fans now who legitimately believe he's Bay Ruth when he's making it.
41:07 --> 41:34 [SPEAKER_00]: like I mean he's strike it out a lot which is a little bit of a red flag in in double A and and it may change over time he's still young again the he's got a long way to go and he could clean it up over you know the coming years but I like I think where we stand and a lot of people stand is like okay this guy could be a real middle of the order bat if it all clicks and he draws his walks he could hit home runs he could be like a Kyle Sorber which would be awesome but
41:35 --> 41:38 [SPEAKER_00]: There are fans out here that have set the expectation that you can't trade them for.
41:40 --> 41:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, you throw out an example.
41:41 --> 41:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Like you couldn't trade them for, Jose Ramirez, because you can't, or something like that, because you can't risk giving away future Babe Ruth, is what they're like.
41:50 --> 41:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I've seen it with the Metz Prospects, too.
41:52 --> 41:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Like the Prospect Huggings Crazy.
41:53 --> 41:56 [SPEAKER_01]: For a guy like Jay Rim, I'd give up anything in the Metz system.
41:56 --> 41:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd give up everything in the Metz system.
41:58 --> 42:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Like you just, the Prospects are Prospects until, you know, they make it to the majors and prove themselves as we literally started this podcast talking about Jared Kalnik.
42:07 --> 42:09 [SPEAKER_02]: There there was a diamond.
42:09 --> 42:26 [SPEAKER_02]: I think June of this year Julio is in one of his cold straight like this is probably the coldest of cold streaks this year and let's see if I can remember this correctly while it was like It's like maybe we should send Julio down and call up Lazz But right in centerfield.
42:26 --> 42:34 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure he plays just the exact same god It's like Lazz is like six five two thirty Baby you're done.
42:35 --> 42:36 [SPEAKER_02]: He's he's lumber again
42:37 --> 42:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Unfortunately for him, you're not never struck out, thirty percent of the time ago.
42:42 --> 42:46 [SPEAKER_00]: But I will let you say for somebody who seems to really love those aromontas.
42:47 --> 42:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll let you tell the people, why do you love them so much?
42:49 --> 42:54 [SPEAKER_01]: He just has such a pretty swing and he's so strong and when he hits the baseball it goes so far.
42:55 --> 42:57 [SPEAKER_01]: He's got James Woodpower, like O'Neill Cruz power.
42:58 --> 43:00 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just something that like you can't really teach.
43:00 --> 43:03 [SPEAKER_01]: He just has because he's a massive human being.
43:03 --> 43:05 [SPEAKER_01]: and his swing from the left side is pretty.
43:05 --> 43:10 [SPEAKER_01]: He does swing and miss a lot, but that's one of those things that you take if you were like, how does third you home runs a year son?
43:10 --> 43:12 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, don't really get your strikeout as much as you want.
43:13 --> 43:15 [SPEAKER_02]: And we're trying to throw some comps out there for him.
43:15 --> 43:22 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't know, you could take this as a positive or a negative, but I told Lyle, like the best version of Adam Dunn, like that's not a bad player.
43:23 --> 43:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Adam Dunn was one of the most feared power hitters in baseball when he was good.
43:27 --> 43:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll tell you what, every single team in Major League Baseball would love to have a better version of Adam Dunn in their lineup right now.
43:33 --> 43:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I will say we were down in Atlanta for all star week and during batting practice for the future's game he hit one basically to the top of the chop house and it was like Whoa Yeah, it wasn't quite we're own where O'Neal crews hit that ball in the home run Derby, but it wasn't that far off and we were like
43:50 --> 43:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you talk about the power and you're seeing it right firsthand like that is very real Yeah, that's my point shout out was our Montes also like I think he watches my videos.
43:59 --> 44:03 [SPEAKER_01]: He's like DM me on Instagram, so I also like that too Oh thick dude.
44:03 --> 44:12 [SPEAKER_00]: He's he's genuinely awesome He's like if you ever meet him in person He's like incredibly nice I'll make my way up to the Pacific Northwest, maybe when he gets his call one day Exactly, I'll be fun
44:13 --> 44:25 [SPEAKER_00]: If we were going to circle around the rest of the American League, just in terms of who the Mariners might see come the postseason, who to scoreboard watch throughout August and September, I'm trying to think where we even want to start.
44:25 --> 44:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess the good place would be to start in the division and as you watch the Astros from afar and you watch plenty of national baseball on the daily, it's no secret that they have a ton of injuries and they're not the same team.
44:36 --> 44:37 [SPEAKER_00]: They've been in years past, but
44:38 --> 44:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Assuming they do get into the postseason, how much should people even fear them?
44:43 --> 44:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's one of those weird things like for Mariners fans specifically, where until you beat them, you can't like look past them just yet, but as a meds fan, looking at the Astros.
44:53 --> 44:54 [SPEAKER_01]: They don't scare me at all.
44:54 --> 44:58 [SPEAKER_01]: The one thing that I think makes them so insanely dangerous and it is important.
44:59 --> 45:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Hunter Brown and Framber Valdez.
45:01 --> 45:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Those two guys can literally win them a series.
45:04 --> 45:14 [SPEAKER_01]: If those guys pitch on three days rest, if they pitch two or three games in a wild card series, or three of the five in the DS, I don't know how you win a series against those guys when they're on.
45:14 --> 45:18 [SPEAKER_01]: You can obviously get to them, their humans, they're not incapable of pitching poorly.
45:19 --> 45:21 [SPEAKER_01]: But those two right there are pretty insane.
45:21 --> 45:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, Jeremy Payne is having a great year, but he didn't really make any changes to what he's been in the past.
45:26 --> 45:27 [SPEAKER_01]: It just seems like
45:27 --> 45:30 [SPEAKER_01]: He's pulling the ball a little bit more, getting a little more lucky.
45:31 --> 45:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And then without, like, you're done, being you're done.
45:33 --> 45:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, there's just not a lot of punch in this lineup right now.
45:36 --> 45:46 [SPEAKER_01]: With the Predis injury, I know Karei is there, but like, I feel like the ashes are really trying to write on some vibes right now, more than they are, like, true actual good roster construction.
45:46 --> 45:48 [SPEAKER_01]: The bullpen's nasty, bullpen's good.
45:48 --> 45:59 [SPEAKER_02]: And we look at the Rangers, and you could make the very clear argument that the Rangers should be a better baseball team than the Astros, and you could even make the case for the Mariners, too, but instead they've literally got an opposite direction.
46:00 --> 46:01 [SPEAKER_02]: What's gone wrong for them?
46:01 --> 46:05 [SPEAKER_01]: They just can't hit, it's like a weird thing where this line up for some reason.
46:06 --> 46:09 [SPEAKER_01]: On paper, you look at it, you thought this could be one of the best lines of some baseball top to bottom.
46:09 --> 46:15 [SPEAKER_01]: And then this season, they can't hit Marcus Simeon falling off a cliff, and at the lowest part of Cia being not very good.
46:15 --> 46:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a huge part of it as well.
46:17 --> 46:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Like Marcus Simeon being so bad offensively, this season's definitely hurting them.
46:21 --> 46:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Jacques Peterson was a failure.
46:23 --> 46:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Why Langford's been getting hot, but he hasn't been, he hasn't taken that next step.
46:26 --> 46:33 [SPEAKER_01]: She's one of those teams that kind of probably stagnate a little bit too much this off season rather than actually pushing some chips in.
46:33 --> 46:36 [SPEAKER_01]: It's also that's still weird thing where it's like they want a world series.
46:36 --> 46:40 [SPEAKER_01]: They're not going to make any big changes yet, like being successful a few years ago.
46:40 --> 46:45 [SPEAKER_00]: It is crazy that here in August, because the Mariners recently just played a series against the Rangers.
46:45 --> 46:46 [SPEAKER_00]: It is crazy that here we are.
46:46 --> 46:55 [SPEAKER_00]: And I know Jack Peterson struggled, but the fact there's still days where he'll hit fifth or sixth for Texas, where he's running out about a five, seventy OPS is crazy.
46:55 --> 47:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this guy's, this guy's, I'm not saying he ever was like, he never lived up to the prospect type he once had, but he crushes right handed pitching and he's always played a role on most of the teams he's been on.
47:06 --> 47:09 [SPEAKER_00]: And now we sit and it's just, I mean, it's just been the season from hell for the guy.
47:10 --> 47:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Rangers have been mega disappointing.
47:12 --> 47:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought that was like the clear and obvious like we're not talking about them enough Rangers are the best team in the American League going into the air couldn't be more wrong.
47:20 --> 47:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you buy the Yankees?
47:22 --> 47:23 [SPEAKER_01]: No, absolutely not.
47:23 --> 47:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the Yankees stink.
47:25 --> 47:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Aaron Judge is the Yankees.
47:28 --> 47:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Like that's it.
47:29 --> 47:30 [SPEAKER_01]: You look at the rest of the team.
47:30 --> 47:31 [SPEAKER_01]: They have some good players obviously.
47:31 --> 47:33 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a little hyperbole, but like
47:33 --> 47:34 [SPEAKER_01]: It's Aaron Judge.
47:34 --> 47:35 [SPEAKER_01]: They live and die by him.
47:35 --> 47:36 [SPEAKER_01]: And it makes sense.
47:36 --> 47:41 [SPEAKER_01]: He's the best one sided player in baseball because when Otani pitches it's not close.
47:41 --> 47:47 [SPEAKER_01]: But if he's not who we saw on the playoffs last year, if he's not Aaron Judge, they don't win games.
47:47 --> 47:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Like they could not win the world series because Aaron Judge disappeared.
47:50 --> 47:51 [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't buy this Yankee team.
47:52 --> 47:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I look around the field.
47:53 --> 47:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I like jazz.
47:53 --> 47:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I like some of their players, but
47:55 --> 47:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think they're very good.
47:57 --> 47:58 [SPEAKER_01]: They bolstered the bullpen.
47:58 --> 48:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't buy those starting pitching as much.
48:01 --> 48:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a Yankees haters, so we know that I'm going to side on this anyway, but I've been anti Yankees for so long, and I'm just going to stay with it because I don't believe in what Brian Cashman and Aaron would do over there.
48:11 --> 48:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I think they just don't build winning teams.
48:14 --> 48:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Who gets more of that blame?
48:15 --> 48:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I've seen a lot of heat at Boon these days.
48:18 --> 48:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's Cashman.
48:19 --> 48:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
48:20 --> 48:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I think he's riding a lot of the highs of the early two thousands and then he really hasn't done anything since two thousand nine.
48:26 --> 48:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Like the Yankees made the world series last year, but we know what happened.
48:29 --> 48:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Like sometimes you catch fire, right?
48:31 --> 48:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Like the Metz made the world series in twenty fifteen.
48:33 --> 48:37 [SPEAKER_01]: People aren't talking about Sandy Alderson as this generational, you know, front office guy.
48:38 --> 48:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Brian Cashman gets way too much credit, especially when you look at their farm system and how little
48:43 --> 48:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Prospect development there's been even the guys that they've treated out.
48:46 --> 48:54 [SPEAKER_01]: There's like nobody in that system Spencer Jones has lost all his juice as a prospect and I like actually like Spencer Jones, but like
48:55 --> 49:13 [SPEAKER_01]: The guys that they've graduated have looked horrible, the guys that they've traded away have looked horrible, it's such a weird excitement or I should say like praise that Brian Cashman gets and I still think sometimes we remember the good old days for the Yankees when truthfully they've not even been close to one of the most successful teams in the last decade.
49:14 --> 49:23 [SPEAKER_02]: I think I was going to say I think the best thing to come out of this Yankees farm system that I've only realized recently is that Clint Frazier as a podcast now, it's actually a counterstand.
49:23 --> 49:33 [SPEAKER_01]: He is taking shots at the Yankees, Eddie Chasey gets and listen, I actually don't agree with like Eddie of the takes that he has because I think he's too much on the side of like analytic suck.
49:33 --> 49:40 [SPEAKER_01]: This is what ruin my career feels like sour grapes, but it's great content and it gets the Yankees fans twisted, which is always something I love to say.
49:40 --> 49:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, if Clint Fraser wants to do numbers on a podcast and he wants to get clicks and he wants to go viral on social media, you know the episode he has to put out, right?
49:50 --> 49:54 [SPEAKER_00]: It needs to be why were me and Miguel and Duhar never packaged in a trade for a superstar.
49:55 --> 50:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, of course, the cleared obvious best package that anyone could have ever gotten in a trade.
50:00 --> 50:01 [SPEAKER_01]: You can't believe no one pulled the trigger.
50:02 --> 50:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Or he needs to sit there and he needs to publicly back both Aaron Boone and Anthony Volpi.
50:07 --> 50:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I'm gonna say that.
50:07 --> 50:08 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a good one.
50:08 --> 50:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that would really get the people going there.
50:10 --> 50:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Why do they hate those two guys?
50:12 --> 50:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I love Volpi's defense.
50:14 --> 50:17 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you just see that you see the fundamentals he's putting out there.
50:17 --> 50:19 [SPEAKER_02]: It's the cleanest thing I've ever seen.
50:20 --> 50:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, Jason Demingus is going to win the platinum glove in left field.
50:22 --> 50:26 [SPEAKER_01]: He's he's legitimately the worst defense of Alfield or I think I've ever seen.
50:27 --> 50:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I like for someone who plays the position.
50:28 --> 50:30 [SPEAKER_01]: He's good in center, which is crazy.
50:31 --> 50:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it worse than Jesse Winker?
50:32 --> 50:33 [SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty.
50:33 --> 50:36 [SPEAKER_01]: It's Jesse Winker has zero range, but he catches balls hit to him.
50:36 --> 50:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Jason Demingus makes it like routine fly balls look very difficult.
50:40 --> 50:46 [SPEAKER_02]: You know why mark the one year we got of Jesse Winker it might have been the worst thing I've ever seen in the outfit.
50:46 --> 50:52 [SPEAKER_01]: No, he's really he's really bad out there, which is why he will not play the outfit if he ever plays again for the match cause he's been hurt for a while.
50:53 --> 50:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Listen, Soto Soto is giving Dominguez a run for his money, but there's clearly a big difference there with what those two guys can do.
51:00 --> 51:02 [SPEAKER_00]: But Metz fans love Jesse Wanker, right?
51:02 --> 51:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, you guys love him.
51:04 --> 51:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Love him.
51:04 --> 51:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely love him.
51:05 --> 51:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's because we don't see him play the outfield.
51:07 --> 51:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's because we only see him hit.
51:09 --> 51:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And what's funny is outside the playoff run.
51:11 --> 51:13 [SPEAKER_01]: He has not been a good hitter for this team.
51:13 --> 51:15 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, what have you done for me lately?
51:15 --> 51:17 [SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of how Metz fans are all sometimes.
51:17 --> 51:25 [SPEAKER_00]: It's funny just because the storyline of his timeline with the Mariners is so... You guys need him, right?
51:25 --> 51:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he couldn't hit.
51:27 --> 51:28 [SPEAKER_00]: He couldn't feel the apparently with a...
51:29 --> 51:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if cancer in the clubhouse is too strong word, but he was not exactly revered in that clubhouse.
51:34 --> 51:35 [SPEAKER_00]: We know that.
51:35 --> 51:38 [SPEAKER_00]: And then he wasn't on the playoff roster.
51:40 --> 51:46 [SPEAKER_00]: He was injured because he had like a neck thing, but at the same time I don't know if he would have been on the playoff roster to begin with.
51:46 --> 51:51 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, the whole tenure of Jesse Winker in Seattle was really a disaster in that one year.
51:51 --> 51:52 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's TJ's point.
51:52 --> 51:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he catches more of the balls that come his way now in New York, and maybe he's slightly cleaned up a thing or two, but TJ's right.
51:59 --> 52:03 [SPEAKER_00]: It was the single worst defense we'd ever seen from an Alfielder in that twenty-twenty season.
52:03 --> 52:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, this one made even worse when he was on the reds, and he made a slide and catch against us and had these big games.
52:08 --> 52:11 [SPEAKER_01]: This guy actually can't play the Alfield, so these catches being made are crazy.
52:12 --> 52:14 [SPEAKER_01]: And on top of that he, well, didn't hit and Seattle at all.
52:14 --> 52:24 [SPEAKER_02]: No, so the one thing he was supposed to do was like, oh, you know, don't, don't manage and, and he'll, you know, he'll crush, he'll, he'll crush writings, but he didn't do either of that.
52:25 --> 52:33 [SPEAKER_02]: It is funny how trades work out sometimes that the throw in of that trade happens to be now a cult favorite in Seattle for years in years.
52:33 --> 52:34 [SPEAKER_02]: You know,
52:35 --> 52:36 [SPEAKER_02]: He was growing.
52:36 --> 52:38 [SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of crazy to think about.
52:39 --> 52:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Because they essentially had to take on his money to get Jesse Winker, but you know it for when you're back in twenty twenty two and then people fell in love with the guys.
52:46 --> 52:46 [SPEAKER_00]: It is wild out tradesman.
52:47 --> 52:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I forbid that's.
52:48 --> 52:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I completely forgot that a U.N.O.S.
52:50 --> 52:51 [SPEAKER_01]: bar that that he came over.
52:51 --> 52:52 [SPEAKER_01]: That's crazy.
52:52 --> 52:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah full circle moment he's back.
52:54 --> 52:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I know.
52:55 --> 52:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
52:55 --> 52:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
52:56 --> 52:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
52:57 --> 52:59 [SPEAKER_00]: To keep circle around the American League a little bit.
53:01 --> 53:02 [SPEAKER_00]: How high are you on the Tigers?
53:02 --> 53:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Because they have cooled a little bit, but obviously they still have Terriq Scooball, and they still have a bunch of talented players on the roster for a lot of the year.
53:09 --> 53:11 [SPEAKER_00]: They've been the best team in the American League.
53:11 --> 53:15 [SPEAKER_00]: So like, where are you at right now here on when we're recording August the Eighteenth on the Tigers?
53:15 --> 53:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I like the Tigers, but like, I don't know why.
53:17 --> 53:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I really can't put my finger on it.
53:20 --> 53:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't like them coming into the year.
53:21 --> 53:27 [SPEAKER_01]: And for the same reasons that I didn't like on my like them now, I think I'm just like Stockholm syndrome and to believe in that they're probably just good.
53:27 --> 53:29 [SPEAKER_01]: The thing that scares me is they're starting pitching.
53:29 --> 53:31 [SPEAKER_01]: You need some starting pitching for the playoffs.
53:31 --> 53:39 [SPEAKER_01]: They kind of manufactured a little bit last year to sneak through the wild card, but outside of school, I don't feel great about the other options.
53:39 --> 53:48 [SPEAKER_01]: They're like Jack Flaherty, Charlie Morton, like those aren't guys that I would feel confident in, especially when the lineup offensively, I think is still about a league average hitting team.
53:50 --> 53:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you trust Casey?
53:51 --> 53:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you trust Casey?
53:52 --> 53:53 [SPEAKER_00]: My is much or no?
53:53 --> 53:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I like Casey, my is.
53:54 --> 53:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how much I trust him to go deep into a playoff game.
53:58 --> 54:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I kind of like a more in like that.
54:01 --> 54:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Three inning come in throw as hard as you can.
54:02 --> 54:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Fastball splitters only.
54:05 --> 54:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Mark, right now, who's your pick for MVP?
54:10 --> 54:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Big Dumper, let's go Cal Raleigh.
54:11 --> 54:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's a guy who's playing the toughest position in baseball every single day.
54:16 --> 54:18 [SPEAKER_01]: He's got the most home runs in the league.
54:18 --> 54:19 [SPEAKER_01]: He's driving in runs.
54:19 --> 54:22 [SPEAKER_01]: He's playing great defense, throwing out runners, stealing bases too.
54:22 --> 54:23 [SPEAKER_01]: He's stealing casually.
54:24 --> 54:26 [SPEAKER_01]: It was he had like, twelve, thirteen, fourteen right now.
54:26 --> 54:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I think
54:28 --> 54:32 [SPEAKER_01]: While Aaron Judge, we can all agree, is the best player of the two.
54:33 --> 54:34 [SPEAKER_01]: He's been playing catcher every single day.
54:34 --> 54:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Aaron Judge just missed some time.
54:36 --> 54:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Give it to Cal.
54:36 --> 54:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think the Mariners are simply probably not a playoff team without Cal Rally this year.
54:41 --> 54:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, and something that I don't people aren't really mentioned that much.
54:44 --> 54:44 [SPEAKER_02]: He caught him in war.
54:44 --> 54:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
54:45 --> 54:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Like Judge had like a two-war lead on him.
54:47 --> 54:48 [SPEAKER_01]: And he goes, it's close.
54:48 --> 54:49 [SPEAKER_01]: It's unbelievably close.
54:49 --> 54:50 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think
54:51 --> 55:12 [SPEAKER_00]: narratives always really important right and I do think writers are dying to give it to a catcher who's like just kind of he's not an old school player, but I think old school people like Cal Rally and you know what he's done and and like his team around him's done a really really good job this year of getting him out into the national spotlight not just him doing the derby and winning it but
55:13 --> 55:23 [SPEAKER_00]: In the middle of the summer, he really did a full-scale media tour and was on every big national show and showed his personality where he is very much out there in the national spotlight now.
55:23 --> 55:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I think along with how well he's played throughout the year, obviously we all know what the narratives are, especially when somebody like Aaron Judge, which we know what Jersey he wears is having a great year, how writers can often tend to vote.
55:37 --> 55:41 [SPEAKER_00]: But along with what you said, which I think is right, that people love the idea of voting for a catcher,
55:41 --> 55:45 [SPEAKER_00]: like media wise, he's done a good job making sure he's in the center of the spotlight.
55:45 --> 55:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it'll be interesting to see what happens over this next like month and a half if judge cools off if Rally kind of stays a little hot because I know that Matt's got him going right again, which was good because I know he had a bit of a skint where he was like only home runs pretty much, but
55:57 --> 55:58 [SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's a lot of fun.
55:59 --> 56:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll be rooting for Cal Raleigh because I would, it'd be sick to see him win an MVP.
56:03 --> 56:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Do New York people think Aaron Judge is too boring?
56:06 --> 56:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Aaron Judge is so boring.
56:08 --> 56:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, but that's okay.
56:09 --> 56:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, Geter was boring.
56:11 --> 56:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Everybody loved Geter.
56:12 --> 56:17 [SPEAKER_01]: He's, now we know he was pretty cool, but like he was so boring to the media and like nationally.
56:17 --> 56:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's just kind of what the Yankees want.
56:19 --> 56:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Yankees have never been cool or interesting.
56:21 --> 56:23 [SPEAKER_01]: They're just good and professional.
56:23 --> 56:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's their whole look.
56:25 --> 56:29 [SPEAKER_00]: which is why the jazz chism trade last year was so out of the norm for them.
56:29 --> 56:32 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just like so not the guy the Yankees put in their uniform.
56:32 --> 56:35 [SPEAKER_01]: No, George Steinbredder rollin over in his grave is like I can't believe we have this.
56:35 --> 56:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, him and like, Strowman both like are guys that the Metz or the Yankees never would have gone after before like for their onfuel antics and like
56:43 --> 56:46 [SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy to say, but like, Jazz is so good.
56:46 --> 56:54 [SPEAKER_01]: It's actually, I think, so good that they brought him in because for an organization that's so, so tight to have a player like Jazz, it loosens you up so much.
56:54 --> 56:58 [SPEAKER_01]: He's, I know a lot, Jazz is polarizing, but I'm a, I'm a big Jazz guy.
56:59 --> 57:01 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm not, I think Jazz would have been a great addition for the Mariners.
57:01 --> 57:04 [SPEAKER_02]: He would have been, he would have decided to pull the trigger on that one.
57:04 --> 57:06 [SPEAKER_01]: He'd be a good addition for every team in baseball.
57:06 --> 57:10 [SPEAKER_01]: He'd play second, third, and set her feel of like, at a really good defense value too.
57:10 --> 57:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, he's awesome.
57:12 --> 57:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Last stop I'm going to get to you, Mark, before we let you go is Rob Manfred on the broadcast between our two teams last night, threw out just so casually, but very intentionally, the ideas of number one, expansion, and number two, geographic realignment of major league baseball.
57:31 --> 57:34 [SPEAKER_02]: When you hear those words, what is your reaction?
57:34 --> 57:50 [SPEAKER_01]: bad for the Mets, really bad for the Mets, because all the geographic realignment that seems to be happening will be the Mets, Red Sox, Philly's and Yankees, and those four teams right there are like four of the eight that actually choose to spend money and trying to be competitive every single year.
57:51 --> 57:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, it feels like a real disadvantage if you're one of those teams because you're just going to absolutely cannibalize each other in that division.
57:58 --> 58:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I also, I love the American League and nationally.
58:01 --> 58:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't really want to change it.
58:03 --> 58:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's add a sixteen to a division again.
58:05 --> 58:06 [SPEAKER_01]: We've done it before.
58:06 --> 58:07 [SPEAKER_01]: We did it in the NL Central.
58:07 --> 58:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how many years ago that was, but that's six teams.
58:11 --> 58:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Throw another team out there.
58:12 --> 58:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't really want to mess around with it.
58:15 --> 58:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Manford is looking for anything to like leave his stamp because I do think he said he's going to retire after the next CBA is done.
58:21 --> 58:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I think he's looking for something because hopefully the salary cap's not going to be like the lasting memory of what Rob Manford did for baseball.
58:29 --> 58:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I gotta say, if we're talking about team perspective and how it looks for the future success of certain teams, you look at that Jim Bowden article that gets put out there and while you as a Met's fan have the Met's Yankees, Philly's and Red Sox, the Mariners had the Rockies, A's and Giant.
58:46 --> 58:47 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm like, well, you feel pretty good about that.
58:48 --> 58:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's do it.
58:49 --> 58:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, I love the two leaks too.
58:51 --> 58:53 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't really want to get rid of the AL in the NL.
58:53 --> 58:57 [SPEAKER_00]: But if this is what the divisions are going to be, I mean, yeah, you'd sign up for that every single day.
58:57 --> 59:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I saw like a there were two other divisions on their rows.
59:00 --> 59:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Like guys, there's like nothing here.
59:02 --> 59:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I think one of them was like the expansion team, the braves, the rays and the marlins.
59:05 --> 59:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, okay, great.
59:06 --> 59:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Braves get to win the division every year for the next twenty years again like how were they gonna be gifted this they get to own the southeast now they literally get to own the southeast and then I think there was another division where it was like oh yeah it was the pirates the nationals the Orioles and I think I can't remember what the other team was maybe like the reds or something yeah probably the reds and I was like that division stinks those are four teams that don't try to win at all like this can't happen
59:33 --> 59:35 [SPEAKER_00]: It, it would be wild.
59:35 --> 59:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, from the Mariners standpoint, not only is the division extremely weak, but their travel schedule just improves tenfold because like something you guys don't have to deal with is crazy travel schedules because everybody in your division is relatively close and even the central divisions are relatively close.
59:53 --> 59:56 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners man, they will fly five hours from Seattle to Texas.
59:57 --> 01:00:00 [SPEAKER_00]: like for two different teams to play the Rangers and the Astros.
01:00:00 --> 01:00:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I never even considered that.
01:00:01 --> 01:00:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I don't think Texas is like extremely far.
01:00:04 --> 01:00:15 [SPEAKER_01]: And then if you ever play the Raising Tampa, if you play the Metz or the Yankees on the East Coast, like you're doing six and a half hour flights pretty consistently, that is a really good point, man.
01:00:15 --> 01:00:16 [SPEAKER_01]: You guys get screwed, huh?
01:00:16 --> 01:00:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Does anyone know how the schedule breakdown works with the schedule?
01:00:20 --> 01:00:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Like the mayor's division games would be closer.
01:00:23 --> 01:00:24 [SPEAKER_02]: What about the rest of them?
01:00:25 --> 01:00:26 [SPEAKER_01]: That's also a good point.
01:00:26 --> 01:00:30 [SPEAKER_01]: We have no idea what would go on because how many games would you even play in division?
01:00:30 --> 01:00:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I think like ultimately we probably end up getting rid of the divisions.
01:00:33 --> 01:00:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it just becomes like American League National League.
01:00:36 --> 01:00:39 [SPEAKER_01]: That would be the realignment if there was any that need to happen.
01:00:39 --> 01:00:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd propose because I think like geographically we shouldn't have to decide who makes the playoffs based on where you are geographically.
01:00:47 --> 01:00:49 [SPEAKER_01]: But at the same time, like I understand why baseball has it like that.
01:00:50 --> 01:00:52 [SPEAKER_01]: You want to make sure you cover the entire United States with playoff teams.
01:00:54 --> 01:01:05 [SPEAKER_02]: You are, but the other thing that doesn't really make sense, I would say with what Manford said was that, you know, they're trying to ease travel schedules, but then a couple of years ago, they changed it so you have to play every single team every year.
01:01:05 --> 01:01:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Instead of playing more games against the teams in your division, yes, that part I don't get.
01:01:10 --> 01:01:11 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't understand.
01:01:11 --> 01:01:13 [SPEAKER_01]: We also know, I don't know if you guys have noticed this court, too.
01:01:14 --> 01:01:18 [SPEAKER_01]: We moan about it all the time on the methapod gas where we're like,
01:01:18 --> 01:01:22 [SPEAKER_01]: If for another nationally team, let's just pretend it's gonna be like the cubs, right?
01:01:22 --> 01:01:23 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll play the cubs in Chicago.
01:01:24 --> 01:01:25 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll play another game on the road.
01:01:25 --> 01:01:26 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll come home.
01:01:26 --> 01:01:26 [SPEAKER_01]: We play the cubs again.
01:01:27 --> 01:01:28 [SPEAKER_01]: First team back on the homestay.
01:01:28 --> 01:01:34 [SPEAKER_01]: We're like, why are we playing all our games against teams in our league within a two week span?
01:01:34 --> 01:01:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I hate the new schedule.
01:01:35 --> 01:01:36 [SPEAKER_01]: It's so bad.
01:01:36 --> 01:01:39 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, the realignment is something I am not for.
01:01:39 --> 01:01:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I also, I don't
01:01:41 --> 01:01:42 [SPEAKER_01]: think baseball needs expansion right now.
01:01:42 --> 01:01:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I think everything is really good and for a league that has a lot of owners that already like the cry poor.
01:01:48 --> 01:01:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think bringing in two new ones is going to help.
01:01:50 --> 01:01:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I have two new ones in small markets.
01:01:52 --> 01:01:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, my dad.
01:01:53 --> 01:01:55 [SPEAKER_02]: And you're adding a third one in Vegas.
01:01:56 --> 01:01:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't love it now.
01:01:58 --> 01:02:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm totally with you on that that like baseball isn't a very good spot as it is with the thirty teams, but you are right.
01:02:03 --> 01:02:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe a lot of people out east or nationally just don't think about it that much with the Mariners, but their travel schedule.
01:02:09 --> 01:02:10 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a real thing.
01:02:10 --> 01:02:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Like all the things working against the Mariners to try to bring in players.
01:02:14 --> 01:02:17 [SPEAKER_00]: It is a decent laundry list and I get like when it all comes down to it.
01:02:17 --> 01:02:21 [SPEAKER_00]: If you pay a guy enough money, they'll go, and the Mariners usually do not do that.
01:02:21 --> 01:02:25 [SPEAKER_00]: But ball parks insanely tough to hit in, travel schedules crazy.
01:02:26 --> 01:02:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Historically, they don't win.
01:02:27 --> 01:02:30 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of things that work against them and try to bring players in.
01:02:30 --> 01:02:32 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the best.
01:02:32 --> 01:02:34 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the biggest thing that people complain about.
01:02:34 --> 01:02:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so you know what?
01:02:36 --> 01:02:43 [SPEAKER_00]: That was a big storyline last year, but it feels like that's kind of in water down a little bit because it was essentially
01:02:44 --> 01:02:57 [SPEAKER_00]: only tausker Hernandez that said it was a problem and it came a big story but Mike Petrielo if I have this right in the article he wrote about the difficulties of hitting in Seattle I think he outlined that do I have this right T.J.
01:02:57 --> 01:03:01 [SPEAKER_00]: that he outlined at the batter's eye ended up being a little bit overblown that whole narrative
01:03:01 --> 01:03:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, Teh Oscar's beef was that it was crooked.
01:03:06 --> 01:03:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Petrielo said that he found a better, like better results looking at like glare and like twilight.
01:03:13 --> 01:03:15 [SPEAKER_02]: That's kind of like how the sun reflects off of it.
01:03:15 --> 01:03:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:03:16 --> 01:03:17 [SPEAKER_01]: My videos are free.
01:03:17 --> 01:03:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I love my petrielo.
01:03:20 --> 01:03:21 [SPEAKER_00]: So much smarter than us.
01:03:21 --> 01:03:22 [SPEAKER_00]: It's so smart.
01:03:23 --> 01:03:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Crazy.
01:03:23 --> 01:03:24 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I'm with you.
01:03:24 --> 01:03:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want real eye men.
01:03:25 --> 01:03:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And I hope they don't do it.
01:03:27 --> 01:03:30 [SPEAKER_02]: And I hope the Mariners don't change their ballpark either because it's like good having advantage.
01:03:31 --> 01:03:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Why are we getting rid of an advantage?
01:03:33 --> 01:03:34 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't understand really well at home.
01:03:34 --> 01:03:37 [SPEAKER_02]: So I mean, right?
01:03:37 --> 01:03:38 [SPEAKER_02]: They want sixty percent of their games at home last year.
01:03:38 --> 01:03:39 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like don't change it.
01:03:40 --> 01:03:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Don't know.
01:03:40 --> 01:03:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Don't listen to Towsker and Annets.
01:03:41 --> 01:03:42 [SPEAKER_02]: He did not want to sign here.
01:03:42 --> 01:03:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't listen to any more.
01:03:44 --> 01:03:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:03:44 --> 01:03:45 [SPEAKER_02]: No.
01:03:45 --> 01:03:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
01:03:45 --> 01:03:46 [SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't.
01:03:46 --> 01:03:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Mark, this has been awesome.
01:03:47 --> 01:03:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Friend of the podcast.
01:03:49 --> 01:03:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Friend of everything.
01:03:50 --> 01:03:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Between Lala and I. This is awesome.
01:03:52 --> 01:03:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Appreciate you taking some time for us.
01:03:53 --> 01:03:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Congrats almost on three hundred thousand.
01:03:55 --> 01:03:56 [SPEAKER_02]: That's awesome for you.
01:03:56 --> 01:03:58 [SPEAKER_02]: I look forward to having you back on soon.
01:03:58 --> 01:03:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for having me on guys.
01:03:59 --> 01:04:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Always excited.
01:04:00 --> 01:04:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's go.
01:04:00 --> 01:04:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's go.
01:04:00 --> 01:04:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's go Mariners too.
01:04:01 --> 01:04:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm room for you guys.
01:04:04 --> 01:04:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Shoutout Mark.
01:04:05 --> 01:04:07 [SPEAKER_00]: We had a blast talking them as always.
01:04:07 --> 01:04:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, if you're interested, you can go check them out on YouTube.
01:04:09 --> 01:04:13 [SPEAKER_00]: That's at giraffe neck mark all across social media as well.
01:04:13 --> 01:04:13 [SPEAKER_00]: He's awesome.
01:04:13 --> 01:04:15 [SPEAKER_00]: He does some great content.
01:04:15 --> 01:04:17 [SPEAKER_00]: You can also check out the Met's Up Podcast.
01:04:17 --> 01:04:20 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're interested to hear about the Met's, you get that wherever you get your podcast.
01:04:20 --> 01:04:21 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, he's awesome.
01:04:21 --> 01:04:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, he's been a friend of ours for a while.
01:04:23 --> 01:04:26 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think that realignment subjects going away.
01:04:26 --> 01:04:27 [SPEAKER_00]: TJ's right.
01:04:27 --> 01:04:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we're going to talk about that at some point again down the road.
01:04:31 --> 01:04:32 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a chance we do a multiple times.
01:04:32 --> 01:04:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know exactly when, but that conversation's not going away.
01:04:35 --> 01:04:37 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's fun to hash that out a little bit with Mark.
01:04:38 --> 01:04:41 [SPEAKER_00]: That just about wraps up this edition of the Marine Lair podcast.
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01:05:22 --> 01:05:29 [SPEAKER_00]: After the Mariners A's game, after the game, over at the Hall on Oxidental, on the North End Alumin Field on Oxidental Avenue.
01:05:29 --> 01:05:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, we're just gonna be hanging out with you guys, taking your questions, having some drinks, talking ball, we'll get people on the mic.
01:05:35 --> 01:05:36 [SPEAKER_00]: It's gonna be really fun.
01:05:36 --> 01:05:41 [SPEAKER_00]: So, come on out to it this Saturday, after the Mariners A's game, over at the Hall on Oxidental.
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01:05:49 --> 01:05:50 [SPEAKER_00]: That's TJ, I'm Lyle.
01:05:51 --> 01:05:53 [SPEAKER_00]: As always, we thank you guys for tuning in and talking to you soon.