Lyle and TJ start off having a little fun with mock division realignment (2:30). They then dive into the Mariners road trip, expressing serious frustration about the rotation, but finding a couple of other positives as well (10:03). The two of them discuss Bryce Miller's return to the rotation (21:35), Emerson Hancock's move to the bullpen (24:26), and the longing frustration of Dylan Moore continuing to be on the roster (31:16). They close out the show with the mailbag, chatting about pitching struggles, roster moves they'd make, mock offseasons, and more (41:40).
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00:00 --> 00:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to episode number two, eighty five of the Marine Lair podcast.
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01:15 --> 01:24 [SPEAKER_02]: And we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Lair podcast part of the just baseball podcast network recording on Thursday evening August, twenty first.
01:24 --> 01:27 [SPEAKER_02]: That road trip was so horrendously bad.
01:27 --> 01:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Lyle that I literally don't even want to start talking about it.
01:29 --> 01:33 [SPEAKER_02]: It does not deserve the oxygen at the start of this episode.
01:33 --> 01:35 [SPEAKER_02]: So instead, I'm going to give the people what they want.
01:35 --> 01:37 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to give people more something more fun.
01:38 --> 01:39 [SPEAKER_02]: How does this idea sound?
01:40 --> 01:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Hold up.
01:41 --> 01:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Are you sure the people want something more fun and positive?
01:44 --> 01:46 [SPEAKER_00]: We know we have fan base.
01:46 --> 01:50 [SPEAKER_00]: We know we have people in the fan base that absolutely thrive on hatred and negativity.
01:52 --> 01:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Didn't say it wasn't going to exist.
01:54 --> 01:59 [SPEAKER_02]: I just said it does not deserve that performance does not deserve the first three minutes of this episode.
02:01 --> 02:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Capiche?
02:02 --> 02:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it does not deserve our time or energy.
02:04 --> 02:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
02:04 --> 02:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
02:05 --> 02:06 [SPEAKER_02]: How about this instead?
02:06 --> 02:08 [SPEAKER_02]: I was scrolling Twitter before the show started.
02:09 --> 02:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Just literally wasn't even looking for content.
02:12 --> 02:16 [SPEAKER_02]: And I scroll across talking baseball's Twitter account.
02:16 --> 02:25 [SPEAKER_02]: And they did some realignment, which we talked about realignment a little bit with Draftneck Mark Markle, we know on Wednesday's episode.
02:26 --> 02:29 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's on the top of everyone's mind and everyone's throwing some ideas out there.
02:30 --> 02:33 [SPEAKER_02]: And talking baseball did a reshuffle.
02:34 --> 02:38 [SPEAKER_02]: They did their own mock reshuffle of what the potential divisions could look like.
02:38 --> 02:50 [SPEAKER_02]: While I want you to listen to this Mariners division, the Western Mountain Division consists of the Seattle Mariners Salt Lake City expansion baseball team
02:52 --> 02:57 [SPEAKER_02]: The Colorado Rockies and the Sacramento slash Las Vegas A's.
02:58 --> 03:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Does that not sound like the greatest division ever assembled for the success of the Mariners?
03:05 --> 03:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to say something.
03:06 --> 03:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought I never utter about this baseball team.
03:09 --> 03:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to say something.
03:10 --> 03:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought I'd seriously never utter.
03:12 --> 03:16 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners should win fifteen of twenty division titles in the next twenty years in that division.
03:17 --> 03:19 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners should turn into the Atlanta Braves.
03:21 --> 03:22 [SPEAKER_00]: They should have like the nineties.
03:24 --> 03:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Instead of Atlanta at last, it's Seattle success.
03:28 --> 03:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
03:29 --> 03:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Just like walk yourself through that division.
03:31 --> 03:34 [SPEAKER_02]: It's an expansion team and not a massive market.
03:35 --> 03:36 [SPEAKER_02]: So there's the hurdles to go there.
03:36 --> 03:38 [SPEAKER_02]: They have to establish organization.
03:38 --> 03:40 [SPEAKER_02]: All these things you have.
03:42 --> 03:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Probably the worst current franchise in the Colorado Rockies, like they're pretty bad.
03:47 --> 04:00 [SPEAKER_02]: If you need like a reminder, Kimberru's life was Jake or Jordan, who wrote an article on Yahoo earlier this year, might've been Jake, on the state of the Colorado Rockies, and how just inept they are, really good read by the way.
04:01 --> 04:11 [SPEAKER_02]: You have probably the cheapest team of the last thirty years in the A's, and then you have baseball's least successful slash worse franchise ever.
04:12 --> 04:12 [SPEAKER_02]: in the Mariners.
04:13 --> 04:18 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, are we talking about just the ultimate suck division?
04:20 --> 04:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Could you imagine how pissed off that east division would feel?
04:23 --> 04:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Now I'm taking from Jim Bowden's article, but if there was an actual division in realignment that was the Metz, the Yankees, the Phillies, and the Red Sox, and they're looking over at the Mariners, the Rockies, the A's, and an expansion team, what would be going through their heads?
04:39 --> 04:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Rage, anger,
04:41 --> 04:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Think about a thing about this for the other West Coast teams that are grouped together in a division.
04:45 --> 04:51 [SPEAKER_02]: It's Dodgers, Angels, Padres, Giants on the same division.
04:51 --> 04:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Three of four of those teams actually try.
04:54 --> 04:57 [SPEAKER_02]: And you're looking at, you're looking at the mountain division, Lyle.
04:57 --> 05:01 [SPEAKER_02]: There's a real case that there could be a year when none of the four teams try.
05:04 --> 05:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to think of what meme this best resembles if you're that Red Sox Yankees Philly's Met's division and you're looking at the Mariners new division.
05:13 --> 05:16 [SPEAKER_00]: What meme or what trend does that symbolize?
05:16 --> 05:19 [SPEAKER_00]: There is absolutely an example for this and I'm trying to think about it on the fly.
05:21 --> 05:24 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, but I will say at least there's like a mirror division.
05:24 --> 05:28 [SPEAKER_02]: It seems like an east, the wet, and each the western and the eastern league.
05:28 --> 05:30 [SPEAKER_02]: The southeast is not much better.
05:30 --> 05:35 [SPEAKER_02]: It's the expansion Nashville team, the rays, the marlins, and the braves.
05:38 --> 05:40 [SPEAKER_02]: But at least you have the braves and the rays.
05:41 --> 05:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the rays don't spend any money though.
05:43 --> 05:45 [SPEAKER_00]: They don't, but they're still competitive.
05:46 --> 05:50 [SPEAKER_02]: It is also to raise or better than either the other three teams in the Mariners division.
05:51 --> 05:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the rays are better than the Mariners over the last ten years.
05:54 --> 05:55 [SPEAKER_00]: They've had way more success.
05:55 --> 05:58 [SPEAKER_00]: They've been to a world series or constantly in the playoffs.
05:58 --> 05:59 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a fair point.
05:59 --> 06:01 [SPEAKER_02]: There would be a couple of divisions in baseball.
06:01 --> 06:06 [SPEAKER_02]: That would have a bitch fest to excuse my language about that division that the Mariners would be in.
06:06 --> 06:07 [SPEAKER_02]: But I thought that was fun.
06:07 --> 06:10 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought that was a slightly positive way to start this episode off.
06:10 --> 06:12 [SPEAKER_02]: We mean, excuse your language.
06:12 --> 06:14 [SPEAKER_00]: What you think we don't curse on this podcast?
06:15 --> 06:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I can say it's
06:17 --> 06:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
06:18 --> 06:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Some people don't like it.
06:19 --> 06:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that's the worst thing we've ever set on here, but yeah, no, it's definitely not.
06:23 --> 06:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm still sitting here trying to think of what meme this would be.
06:27 --> 06:34 [SPEAKER_00]: There is some meme for like big brother, little brother, or one team just absolutely overpowering another.
06:34 --> 06:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why it's blank.
06:36 --> 06:39 [SPEAKER_00]: And I usually have a quick example for this.
06:39 --> 06:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Would this not be like a stepbrothers thing?
06:43 --> 06:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Except those are two equals.
06:45 --> 06:51 [SPEAKER_02]: But there's not a moment in there where one thinks the other's lower, smaller.
06:52 --> 06:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, you haven't, I don't think you've watched the movie close enough.
06:55 --> 06:56 [SPEAKER_00]: No, not as much as you.
06:58 --> 06:59 [SPEAKER_00]: There's some meme for this.
06:59 --> 07:01 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not a happy Gilmore line in here.
07:01 --> 07:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll have to come back to it.
07:04 --> 07:05 [SPEAKER_00]: There's some meme that this resembles.
07:06 --> 07:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I can drop in the comments.
07:08 --> 07:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
07:09 --> 07:10 [SPEAKER_00]: What would you think of this?
07:10 --> 07:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I will say, or if you don't drop it in the comments and you are like us where it takes you an extra day or so to think of a good name for this.
07:19 --> 07:24 [SPEAKER_00]: You can always tell us in our live show on Saturday because we will have a live show Saturday after the game.
07:24 --> 07:25 [SPEAKER_00]: That's over at the Hall in Oxidental.
07:25 --> 07:26 [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be a blast.
07:27 --> 07:35 [SPEAKER_00]: If anybody was at the last one where we did down there after the game and there's all these people filing in and people are one to ask questions on the mic off the street.
07:35 --> 07:36 [SPEAKER_00]: It was super fun.
07:36 --> 07:39 [SPEAKER_00]: It was super interactive and we had an absolute blast doing it.
07:39 --> 07:48 [SPEAKER_00]: And we're going to be doing it again on a really nice night after the game on Saturday about thirty minutes after the final out again over at the Hall in Oxidental on Oxidental Avenue.
07:48 --> 07:57 [SPEAKER_00]: So come on out, if you cannot think of something to reply to us with what meme this would resemble with that east division looking at the new Mariners of it and come to the live show and tell us.
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08:32 --> 08:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Post game Saturday night, hopefully the vibes will be a lot better than they were over this past week and a half.
08:38 --> 08:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Are you a think?
08:41 --> 08:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Is it even possible to get lower?
08:44 --> 08:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it could be what happened last year this week.
08:47 --> 08:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you remember what happened last year this week?
08:50 --> 08:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, we're sitting here recording.
08:52 --> 09:00 [SPEAKER_00]: We're basically at the one-year anniversary of the Scott firing, but as we all know, it wasn't as simple as a Scott service firing.
09:00 --> 09:02 [SPEAKER_00]: There was a lot more that went into it than that.
09:03 --> 09:10 [SPEAKER_00]: He came this absolute nightmare to have to dig through and talk about here on this podcast and everywhere.
09:11 --> 09:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Is it funny how it feels a little deja vuish?
09:15 --> 09:16 [SPEAKER_02]: The losing streak, yeah.
09:17 --> 09:19 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's a nine game road trip.
09:20 --> 09:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Last year they went one and eight.
09:21 --> 09:23 [SPEAKER_02]: This year they went two and seven.
09:23 --> 09:24 [SPEAKER_02]: And they're not just losing.
09:25 --> 09:27 [SPEAKER_02]: They get clowned a couple of times.
09:28 --> 09:32 [SPEAKER_02]: The difference is that team ended up five hundred at the end of the road trip.
09:32 --> 09:34 [SPEAKER_02]: This team is still eight games above five hundred.
09:35 --> 09:36 [SPEAKER_02]: So there's a little more leeway there.
09:37 --> 09:40 [SPEAKER_02]: So it did feel like like it was a Thursday.
09:40 --> 09:42 [SPEAKER_02]: I remember exactly how it happened.
09:43 --> 09:43 [SPEAKER_02]: It was on a Thursday.
09:43 --> 09:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Scott got fired.
09:45 --> 09:48 [SPEAKER_02]: because they had an off day on a Thursday going into a homestand.
09:49 --> 09:54 [SPEAKER_02]: And I remember I like, I didn't call out of work, but I was like, I'm gonna be late.
09:55 --> 09:56 [SPEAKER_02]: I think Scott's service is getting fired.
09:57 --> 09:58 [SPEAKER_02]: We got to do a podcast.
09:59 --> 09:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Also.
09:59 --> 10:03 [SPEAKER_02]: So, why don't do that today because, well, Dan's in his first year.
10:04 --> 10:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I'm gonna take from the great champion or lie.
10:06 --> 10:09 [SPEAKER_02]: What was the most vomit worthy thing of this road trip?
10:18 --> 10:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we have to say the starting pitching.
10:20 --> 10:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Here's the thing.
10:21 --> 10:29 [SPEAKER_00]: There's the actual logical baseball answer, or there's putting on our total fan hat and rage hat and giving everybody the answer that they actually want to hear.
10:30 --> 10:32 [SPEAKER_00]: So which one do you want to start with?
10:32 --> 10:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, actually, there's actually two different ways to look at this.
10:35 --> 10:39 [SPEAKER_02]: There's the strategy aspect and the execution aspect of this.
10:39 --> 10:41 [SPEAKER_02]: The starting pitching is the execution aspect of this.
10:42 --> 10:44 [SPEAKER_00]: That was the logical baseball answer I was going to give you.
10:44 --> 10:50 [SPEAKER_00]: You cannot pitch like that on the road consistently if you're this pitching staff and want to have success in the playoffs.
10:50 --> 10:52 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know how much there is to say other than that.
10:52 --> 10:54 [SPEAKER_00]: You have to pitch better than this on the road.
10:54 --> 10:56 [SPEAKER_00]: You can't have four or five starters.
10:56 --> 10:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Everybody not named Brian Wu struggling this much on the road.
10:59 --> 11:00 [SPEAKER_00]: That's the logical baseball answer.
11:01 --> 11:23 [SPEAKER_02]: and there's we still can't pinpoint the exact reason why there we have a mailbag question about why they're struggling more and I want to try and get into it a little bit more when we get to that question but you know like this is what like this is why you have a rotation like this so you can go out on the road and when your offense isn't scoring as much they can keep you in these games
11:24 --> 11:29 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm sitting here and watching as the Mariners in a roll-out, I'm just gonna rip off the starts on this road trip.
11:29 --> 11:31 [SPEAKER_02]: But last seven, the first two were good.
11:31 --> 11:32 [SPEAKER_02]: The last seven were not.
11:33 --> 11:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Four andnings, three runs, four andnings, six running, six innings, one run, G, Wonderland, Brian, who pitched.
11:40 --> 11:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Four and two, third, seven runs, two innings, six runs, five innings, four runs, four innings, three runs.
11:46 --> 11:48 [SPEAKER_02]: How are you supposed to win games like that?
11:48 --> 11:49 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't.
11:49 --> 11:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Dance your question.
11:50 --> 11:50 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't.
11:51 --> 11:51 [SPEAKER_02]: No.
11:52 --> 11:57 [SPEAKER_02]: And the Phillies showed what happens when you're starting pitching does, show up.
11:57 --> 12:02 [SPEAKER_02]: They gave themselves so much leeway because they just knew for the first six innings of the game.
12:03 --> 12:05 [SPEAKER_02]: They were clearly the better team because their pitchers were pitching better.
12:06 --> 12:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Christopher said, the Ranger Swarr is Christopher Sanchez and Hazel Sozardo did some nasty things to that line up.
12:14 --> 12:17 [SPEAKER_00]: And with all those names, you didn't even see the best starter.
12:17 --> 12:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, Christopher Sanchez is having a best year and right now he's projected to finish second in the Saoyang behind Paul schemes, but the Mariners didn't actually have to see the Philadelphia Phillies best starter.
12:28 --> 12:30 [SPEAKER_00]: That would be Zach Wheeler, who's on the IL.
12:30 --> 12:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Didn't have to see him.
12:33 --> 12:37 [SPEAKER_02]: The Mariners are not going to have any playoffs success or might not even make the playoffs.
12:37 --> 12:47 [SPEAKER_02]: If the rotation does stuff like this, like we've continued to say, like, yes, the lineup upgrades were all great and all necessary and they're going to be a better team because of it.
12:48 --> 12:51 [SPEAKER_02]: But like when the rotation like teeters back like this,
12:52 --> 12:57 [SPEAKER_02]: It just makes it so much harder for them to get the job done that they need to.
12:57 --> 13:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Like full season numbers, we're still sitting here on August, twenty first and the rotation is sixteen in ERA.
13:04 --> 13:08 [SPEAKER_02]: They have the best pictures park in baseball and they're sixteen than ERA.
13:09 --> 13:11 [SPEAKER_02]: How does this happen?
13:12 --> 13:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Too much talent in that rotation to be sixteen.
13:18 --> 13:21 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like a frightening thing to even think about.
13:23 --> 13:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to say yes, and I know so many of these guys have stuff that is so good that I don't want to believe this is the answer.
13:30 --> 13:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it is.
13:32 --> 13:36 [SPEAKER_00]: But after seeing this two years in a row now, I partly feel like we have to just throw it out there.
13:36 --> 13:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Are these guys all team mobile merchants?
13:41 --> 13:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Are they not as good as some of their numbers suggest?
13:48 --> 13:50 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think we can answer that question right now.
13:50 --> 13:51 [SPEAKER_02]: I think they would have to go pitch somewhere else.
13:52 --> 13:54 [SPEAKER_02]: And answer that question.
13:54 --> 13:58 [SPEAKER_02]: But I'll tell you what, if there's one thing they don't do very well, it's pitch on the road.
13:58 --> 14:05 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's going to be very hard for this team to win anything in the regular season or in the postseason if they don't pitch well in the road.
14:06 --> 14:10 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's not just not pitching well, what they did on this road trip was just straight up uncompetitive.
14:11 --> 14:14 [SPEAKER_02]: They were naming keeping for the most part the team in the game.
14:14 --> 14:22 [SPEAKER_02]: And when the team was in the game, there's a whole different portion of the pitching staff that we haven't even mentioned yet that didn't make it very easy on them when in games either.
14:24 --> 14:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Luis went foreign three on Wednesday, but I got to tell you what.
14:31 --> 14:36 [SPEAKER_00]: that was as close to as uncompetitive, a four and three as I feel like we've watched.
14:36 --> 14:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it is base runner after base runner, after base runner, just no efficiency, no, like, you know, he's not getting guys out.
14:46 --> 14:54 [SPEAKER_00]: That's obvious, but just the way he kept working deep into counts and it feels like he wasn't fooling anybody with anything.
14:54 --> 14:56 [SPEAKER_00]: And he exited that game after four innings.
14:56 --> 14:58 [SPEAKER_00]: He was through four innings.
14:58 --> 15:00 [SPEAKER_00]: He's at eighty nine pitches.
15:01 --> 15:05 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like that is, that's a tough way to try and win a game.
15:05 --> 15:08 [SPEAKER_00]: And I know Louisa's given them a lot this year.
15:08 --> 15:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Louisa's done a lot for them in a year where people wondered what he looked like after a twenty twenty four that presented a lot of potential red flags.
15:16 --> 15:17 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's turned a lot of it around.
15:17 --> 15:19 [SPEAKER_00]: There have been things about Louisa season.
15:19 --> 15:22 [SPEAKER_00]: They've been really good and overall as season has been very competitive.
15:22 --> 15:24 [SPEAKER_00]: That start just wasn't.
15:25 --> 15:26 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll say this.
15:27 --> 15:31 [SPEAKER_02]: You and I know and everyone listening knows that this rotation is not this bad.
15:32 --> 15:35 [SPEAKER_02]: But you can't have another week like this.
15:36 --> 15:38 [SPEAKER_02]: If you have another week like this, it could sink your season.
15:38 --> 15:52 [SPEAKER_02]: The luckiest part about all of this, you lost one game in the division, the entire week, the entire road trip, you lost one game in the division, or sorry, you lost a game and a half in the division, and you lost two games in the wildcard.
15:52 --> 15:52 [SPEAKER_02]: That's it.
15:53 --> 15:55 [SPEAKER_02]: It could have been way worse than that.
15:56 --> 15:57 [SPEAKER_02]: be thankful for that.
15:58 --> 16:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Because if the Mariners go on a September and do something like this, by the way, against a softer schedule than they're currently facing, the Royals and Guardians have another good stretch.
16:08 --> 16:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Yankees and Red Sox play fine.
16:10 --> 16:16 [SPEAKER_02]: The Astros play five hundred instead of getting shut out for like forty innings in a row against the Tigers.
16:17 --> 16:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Then we're talking about something completely different.
16:19 --> 16:21 [SPEAKER_02]: And then the alarm bell is actually come on.
16:21 --> 16:23 [SPEAKER_02]: Because right now, I don't think the alarm bells are on.
16:23 --> 16:27 [SPEAKER_02]: We're disappointed with the performance, but the manners are still in a playoff spot.
16:27 --> 16:29 [SPEAKER_02]: I still think the roster's really good.
16:29 --> 16:31 [SPEAKER_02]: They just have to pitch better.
16:31 --> 16:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Find a way to pitch away from Team Mobile Park.
16:34 --> 16:41 [SPEAKER_02]: And that Guardian series in a week and a half is going to be so big, so big, based on how they've been playing.
16:42 --> 16:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Now imagine if they had just gone four and five on that road trip instead of two and seven, they would be tied for the lead in the west right now.
16:50 --> 16:51 [SPEAKER_02]: And comfortably up in the wild card.
16:52 --> 16:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
16:53 --> 16:54 [SPEAKER_02]: But no.
16:55 --> 16:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, they got lucky.
16:56 --> 16:57 [SPEAKER_00]: They got lucky everybody in the A.O.
16:57 --> 17:00 [SPEAKER_00]: was losing, but man they could have taken advantage.
17:01 --> 17:02 [SPEAKER_02]: We've talked a lot about the bullpen.
17:02 --> 17:04 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think there's anything new there.
17:04 --> 17:06 [SPEAKER_02]: We've talked a lot about the manager.
17:06 --> 17:08 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think there's anything new there.
17:08 --> 17:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Can I highlight a positive though?
17:10 --> 17:12 [SPEAKER_02]: I think we saw you know wake up on this trip.
17:13 --> 17:14 [SPEAKER_02]: You know it's good on this trip.
17:14 --> 17:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Especially in Philly.
17:16 --> 17:24 [SPEAKER_02]: He did still strike out a solid bit, but his OPS was over eight hundred and WRC plus was back up in the one thirties for this road trip.
17:24 --> 17:25 [SPEAKER_02]: We saw the power come on.
17:25 --> 17:36 [SPEAKER_02]: It's good sign, especially if they have to face teams like the fillies who can throw three straight lefties at him because when the Mariners right now based on their current roster have to face lefties.
17:36 --> 17:43 [SPEAKER_02]: For some reason on purpose, they put out the worst possible lineup against lefties with players who cannot hit lefties.
17:44 --> 17:48 [SPEAKER_02]: So when you do have your writings, you know who can hit lefties?
17:49 --> 17:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Like Cal, like Gino, like Randy, like Julio.
17:53 --> 17:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Those are the guys that are going to have to perform when those said lineups get put out there.
17:57 --> 17:58 [SPEAKER_02]: And Gino at least did.
17:59 --> 18:03 [SPEAKER_02]: And Julio, I will say for that, that matter by the way, that pitchy hit for the home run.
18:03 --> 18:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Those off like off the ground was incredible.
18:06 --> 18:07 [SPEAKER_02]: That's how you know Julio's back.
18:08 --> 18:09 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not rolling that over to third.
18:09 --> 18:10 [SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, shout out to Gino.
18:11 --> 18:13 [SPEAKER_02]: That was I thought a positive from the road trip.
18:13 --> 18:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I was going to highlight Julio's positive.
18:15 --> 18:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Stay hot.
18:16 --> 18:24 [SPEAKER_00]: He, I was going to mention that home run, too, to take that ball and lift it into the seats and left field from where that ball was placed from, Luzardo.
18:25 --> 18:26 [SPEAKER_00]: That was.
18:27 --> 18:28 [SPEAKER_00]: That is, I mean, you took it right out of my mouth.
18:28 --> 18:30 [SPEAKER_00]: That's how you know he was locked in.
18:30 --> 18:32 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not hitting that ball over the fence back in May.
18:33 --> 18:33 [SPEAKER_00]: He's doing it now.
18:35 --> 18:39 [SPEAKER_02]: I will say he's creeping up on the top ten and wins above replacement for the season.
18:40 --> 18:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Top ten.
18:42 --> 18:48 [SPEAKER_02]: There people wanted him sent down in June and May, sent down to call up Lazz.
18:49 --> 18:54 [SPEAKER_02]: There was some dude going on Twitter a couple of months ago saying Ben Williams and had a higher ceiling.
18:54 --> 18:56 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll talk positively about Ben today, by the way.
18:56 --> 19:00 [SPEAKER_02]: We made a promise that Ben Williams and was going to get some spotlight on this episode and he will get it.
19:00 --> 19:04 [SPEAKER_02]: But people I remember were saying, Ben Williams and over Julio.
19:05 --> 19:08 [SPEAKER_02]: But now Julio is like, this is, this is his hot streak.
19:08 --> 19:08 [SPEAKER_02]: He's back.
19:09 --> 19:14 [SPEAKER_02]: And then I exactly what they need when they're going to go play teams like the Phillies who could dice them with lefties.
19:14 --> 19:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Can I read one Julio's that?
19:16 --> 19:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
19:16 --> 19:19 [SPEAKER_00]: It comes from Mariners PR earlier here on Thursday.
19:19 --> 19:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And for all of the discourse that exists around Julio, including from how we talk about him and including from what we said when he struggled in the middle of the year and he got off to another slow start.
19:30 --> 19:31 [SPEAKER_00]: And there was plenty of discourse.
19:31 --> 19:32 [SPEAKER_00]: It was very warranted.
19:34 --> 19:50 [SPEAKER_00]: stats like this really make you take a step back and say, oh, wow, in a positive way about Julio, because Mariners PR tweeted today, position players to post twenty plus war by baseball reference and make three or more all star games in their first four seasons.
19:50 --> 19:54 [SPEAKER_00]: So again, twenty wins or more and three or more all star games in your first four seasons.
19:54 --> 19:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Can I guess?
19:56 --> 19:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's a long list.
19:57 --> 19:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it is long.
19:58 --> 19:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, nevermind.
19:59 --> 20:00 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a there's a handful or two guys.
20:00 --> 20:07 [SPEAKER_00]: There's basically two handfuls of guys, but the list is Joe to Magio Ted Williams, Joe Gordon, him.
20:07 --> 20:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
20:08 --> 20:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Mickey Mannell, Hank Aaron, Frank Robinson, Kangry Fijunior, Albert Puhals, Echiro, Evan Longoria, Mike Trout, Francisco Lendor, Julio Rodriguez.
20:17 --> 20:20 [SPEAKER_00]: That is a stat that makes you sit back and go, wow.
20:21 --> 20:28 [SPEAKER_00]: For all the discourse that exists around Julio, this is a really, really, really, really, really good baseball player.
20:28 --> 20:39 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, just look at his, I mean, even if you want to look at his raw season numbers right at this second on how he's done this season, his OPS is creeping back towards eight hundred.
20:39 --> 20:40 [SPEAKER_02]: He sets up to seven, eighty two now.
20:41 --> 20:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Remember his career high as a rookie was eight, fifty three.
20:44 --> 20:46 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think he's going to reach that market this season.
20:46 --> 21:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think if he just stays the way he's going right now, he can get up to that eight, eighteen mark he had in twenty twenty three in a second season in the big leagues that OPS Plus could definitely match the one thirty he put up in that season.
21:01 --> 21:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Is that one twenty three right now?
21:02 --> 21:14 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there's a solid chance if he keeps going strong the next five and a half weeks of the season that this could be frustrating as it was at times the second best offensive season of his career.
21:16 --> 21:38 [SPEAKER_02]: with probably the best defense because he's been getting a better on defense every single year in the big leagues now i will say he had he had his fair share of rough spots over aggressiveness on the defensive side this road trip but net he is still fabulous out there definitely if we want to stay on a couple positives
21:39 --> 21:41 [SPEAKER_00]: before we get to one other storyline.
21:41 --> 21:44 [SPEAKER_00]: And then the mailback question, let's just been a couple of minutes on each of these.
21:44 --> 21:47 [SPEAKER_00]: What were your takeaways from Bryce Miller's first start back?
21:48 --> 21:53 [SPEAKER_02]: The fact that his fastball is up, his fastball sat ninety six.
21:53 --> 21:58 [SPEAKER_02]: And if you go look at late in the start around pitches sixty to eighty five.
21:58 --> 22:01 [SPEAKER_02]: See top he finished at eighty five pitches.
22:01 --> 22:02 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that was his pitch count.
22:02 --> 22:07 [SPEAKER_02]: He was still throwing when he throws four seamer out of the sinker has two fastballs.
22:07 --> 22:08 [SPEAKER_02]: He throws four seamer.
22:08 --> 22:12 [SPEAKER_02]: He was still easily getting above ninety six miles an hour.
22:13 --> 22:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Honestly, the results for Bryce did not matter as much because we've seen it with Logan.
22:17 --> 22:18 [SPEAKER_02]: We've seen it with George.
22:18 --> 22:28 [SPEAKER_02]: These guys sometimes take a little bit to get back and get back in a full full like, where my command sharp, my stuff sharp, my off speed start, like we're good to go.
22:28 --> 22:30 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to give Bryce three starts.
22:30 --> 22:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe on a fourth start, then we'll check in on where he's at.
22:33 --> 22:35 [SPEAKER_02]: But see that velocity where it is.
22:35 --> 22:40 [SPEAKER_02]: And now that we're in the middle of the week, haven't heard anything that he's feeling sore.
22:41 --> 22:44 [SPEAKER_02]: When I mentioned when he was rehabbing, he said he was feeling good the entire time.
22:46 --> 22:52 [SPEAKER_02]: The stuff is showing positively that he can make it through these net final few weeks and feel good.
22:52 --> 22:58 [SPEAKER_02]: And we will get maybe sixty to seventy percent of the price we got last year, which I'll take.
23:00 --> 23:04 [SPEAKER_00]: There is one rice miller number from the start that is my big takeaway.
23:05 --> 23:12 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think it jumps out immediately and I take it and say, yeah, that is every positive you need from a first start back.
23:13 --> 23:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Rice miller at fifteen whiffs in that outing.
23:16 --> 23:17 [SPEAKER_00]: You got fifteen guys just swinging this.
23:18 --> 23:19 [SPEAKER_00]: That is a real number.
23:19 --> 23:21 [SPEAKER_00]: And the fact that he only went five innings?
23:22 --> 23:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Upside even more.
23:23 --> 23:25 [SPEAKER_00]: You get fifteen whiffs in a seven inning outing.
23:25 --> 23:25 [SPEAKER_00]: That's really good.
23:26 --> 23:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Fifteen and five is you're getting a lot of guys to wave at your pitches.
23:31 --> 23:33 [SPEAKER_00]: And to see him do that and his first start back.
23:34 --> 23:36 [SPEAKER_00]: That is every positive sign I need.
23:36 --> 23:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I want to see him give up less runs as time goes on.
23:39 --> 23:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I'd like to see him be a little bit more efficient.
23:41 --> 23:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, we know that he is a guy that doesn't walk batters and he walked a few in that first start back.
23:46 --> 23:48 [SPEAKER_00]: But that's part of getting back into it.
23:48 --> 23:49 [SPEAKER_00]: That's part of getting back into the groove.
23:49 --> 23:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Not everything's going to be perfect.
23:51 --> 23:58 [SPEAKER_00]: There is plenty to take away from Bryce Miller's outing to feel good about where he's going to be for this team down the stretch.
23:58 --> 24:03 [SPEAKER_00]: And to see him get fifteen guys to swing and miss says, I think he's really going to build on this.
24:05 --> 24:11 [SPEAKER_02]: And just remember he was a bottom-fifteen starting pitcher in baseball while he was pitching hurt earlier.
24:12 --> 24:18 [SPEAKER_02]: So just consider how much of a step just this start is compared to where he was where he was not feeling great.
24:18 --> 24:25 [SPEAKER_02]: His velocity was tanking, he was trying too hard and ultimately gets himself put on the shelf to get to where he is right now.
24:25 --> 24:26 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's an overwhelming positive.
24:27 --> 24:29 [SPEAKER_02]: The next thing storyline I think we're both going to talk about.
24:30 --> 24:44 [SPEAKER_02]: is a potential late addition to the Mariners bullpen in the month of September that we saw for the first time yesterday on Wednesday our guy Emerson Hangcock through his first inning of relief in the Tacoma bullpen.
24:44 --> 24:46 [SPEAKER_02]: What are we thinking?
24:47 --> 24:51 [SPEAKER_00]: What I'm thinking is let's go Emerson in every positive way.
24:51 --> 24:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm fired up for this.
24:54 --> 24:56 [SPEAKER_00]: There is no secret that the Mariners bullpen needs reinforcements.
24:57 --> 24:59 [SPEAKER_00]: We don't need to break down everything that happened on the road trip.
24:59 --> 25:01 [SPEAKER_00]: You know the guys that have struggled in this bullpen.
25:01 --> 25:04 [SPEAKER_00]: You've seen the roster moves that have occurred all year.
25:05 --> 25:06 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners need some stability out there.
25:07 --> 25:10 [SPEAKER_00]: They need some guys that can get more out there and they need some more guys with big stuff out there.
25:12 --> 25:15 [SPEAKER_00]: You throw Emerson handcock for an inning a night and let him max out.
25:17 --> 25:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I see this as a potential to be a very, very positive trend for the Mariners.
25:21 --> 25:27 [SPEAKER_00]: He was pumping ninety seven close to ninety eight in his first really thought first ever one.
25:27 --> 25:29 [SPEAKER_00]: He's maxed an out ninety seven ninety eight.
25:30 --> 25:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Now similar to Bryce numbers weren't perfect.
25:32 --> 25:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Give up a couple or give up a run.
25:34 --> 25:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Give up a couple hits.
25:35 --> 25:40 [SPEAKER_00]: But I care a lot less about that in his first ever relief outing and a lot more about what the stuff says.
25:40 --> 25:48 [SPEAKER_00]: And when it says ninety seven ninety eight and you know he's got an effective change up at times and you know he's got a couple other secondarys that at times have also really worked.
25:49 --> 25:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, signed me all the way up for that.
25:52 --> 25:53 [SPEAKER_02]: I, you're right.
25:53 --> 25:55 [SPEAKER_02]: I think the stuff is what matters.
25:56 --> 26:06 [SPEAKER_02]: They're going to take the fact that the stuff will play up enough for twelve innings down the stretch, that performance and runs, and runs allowed in Tacoma does not matter as much.
26:07 --> 26:09 [SPEAKER_02]: You want to know what the stuff increased was?
26:09 --> 26:15 [SPEAKER_02]: His average fastball, as a starter this year, was ninety four point seven miles an hour.
26:16 --> 26:45 [SPEAKER_02]: His average fastball last night in his relief outing was ninety seven point four miles an hour an average of almost three miles an hour increase three three ticks every other pitch take up at least a mile and a half per hour that is the kind of stuff increase you want to see with Emerson Hancock and what was the knock on him while as a starter the knock on him was that the stuff does not play up enough to miss enough bats
26:45 --> 26:48 [SPEAKER_02]: to consistently get enough outs as a starting pitcher.
26:50 --> 26:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Now that he's thrown in the bullpen and his fastball sitting in the upper nineties, that helps him out a lot to get those swings and misses.
26:57 --> 27:09 [SPEAKER_02]: And fortunately for him, the low leverage part of the Mariners bullpen has not exactly bought themselves a whole lot of cushion for their spots in that pen.
27:11 --> 27:15 [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, on top of that, the starting rotation is not helped with either because they've had to throw so much.
27:16 --> 27:23 [SPEAKER_02]: But you're trying to find anybody that you can put in even a semi-medium leverage situation and feel comfortable in.
27:24 --> 27:25 [SPEAKER_02]: And Emerson could be that guy.
27:25 --> 27:26 [SPEAKER_02]: He's got options.
27:26 --> 27:29 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't have, you've already used an option with him this year.
27:29 --> 27:32 [SPEAKER_02]: You could maneuver your bolt on around to put him in pretty easily.
27:34 --> 27:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't sign me all the way up.
27:35 --> 27:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I am picturing a playoff bullpen that could be Matt Brash, Andre's Muno's, Gabe Spire, Caleb Ferguson, Edward Bazardo, Emerson Hancock, and then potentially Bryce Miller and Logan Evans.
27:47 --> 27:49 [SPEAKER_00]: And I would sign up for all those mortgays.
27:54 --> 27:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Whoa, look on your face.
27:57 --> 28:09 [SPEAKER_00]: See, the look on my face said it all, partly because of how the performance has gone, aside from the three shutout innings, he threw on Tuesday, somehow.
28:10 --> 28:17 [SPEAKER_00]: But it more has to do with the fact that, well, Dan Wilson yank him out of that bullpen and leave him off the playoff roster.
28:18 --> 28:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I would take the eight guys that I just listed in heartbeat.
28:21 --> 28:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, they do that.
28:24 --> 28:24 [SPEAKER_02]: I guess we'll see.
28:25 --> 28:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Actually, you make it nine, you make it nine relievers in the bullpen because if you're only going to have four starters, you can have nine relievers.
28:32 --> 28:34 [SPEAKER_00]: So maybe Vargas is then the last one, which is fine.
28:34 --> 28:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, if Carlos Vargas is the last option in the bullpen, that's fine.
28:39 --> 28:41 [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't want him pitching in leverage.
28:41 --> 28:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Let me jog people's memory if you're thinking of who would Emerson Hancock replace in the bullpen.
28:46 --> 28:49 [SPEAKER_02]: These are all pictures who the Mariners have recently had in their bullpen.
28:50 --> 28:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Casey Legumina, or are currently in the bullpen.
28:54 --> 28:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Legumina, Jackson, Coar, Sorin' Low, Colin Snyder, Carlos Vargas.
28:59 --> 29:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Would you think Emerson over those guys?
29:01 --> 29:02 [SPEAKER_02]: I know a good chunk of you would.
29:03 --> 29:04 [SPEAKER_00]: On sauces in there, too.
29:05 --> 29:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm ready.
29:06 --> 29:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you're just talking about varieties.
29:08 --> 29:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
29:09 --> 29:16 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners already do have two lefties though, and Gabe and Vargas said, I don't know how much that is, like, set and stone.
29:16 --> 29:20 [SPEAKER_02]: So maybe then I think about it as that sauce is gonna get option down anyways.
29:21 --> 29:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe, I don't know.
29:22 --> 29:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, or he could be on, he's not going to be on the playoff roster, most likely.
29:28 --> 29:29 [SPEAKER_02]: So, not him.
29:29 --> 29:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, not if all of Emerson, Logan Evans and Bryce Miller are all in the bullpen.
29:34 --> 29:40 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the way they could do it, I mean, they could put Emerson as the extra reliever in September.
29:41 --> 29:45 [SPEAKER_02]: So they could be at a few more outings in Tacoma and then September first rolls around.
29:46 --> 29:50 [SPEAKER_02]: They don't have to DFA anybody, even if they maybe should.
29:51 --> 29:55 [SPEAKER_02]: But Emerson is the ninth reliever in the bullpen and that would work out.
29:55 --> 30:01 [SPEAKER_00]: That actually is what I think is going to happen because Emerson's thrown one relief outing so far at time of recording.
30:02 --> 30:03 [SPEAKER_00]: He's going to need a few more.
30:03 --> 30:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Now I don't think he has to do what Matt Brash did because if you remember when Matt Brash was a starter in twenty two and then they set him back to the miners to become a reliever, they set him back there for a couple of months to really build up because their vision for him long term was to be a reliever and he's been that.
30:19 --> 30:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if Emerson Hancock is going to become a permanent reliever for the Mariners or not.
30:23 --> 30:32 [SPEAKER_00]: He could, in time, he could, especially if, by next year, Jorangelo's up, Kate Anderson's up, and then you have all the starting pitching depth, and he is more valuable in the bullpen.
30:33 --> 30:37 [SPEAKER_00]: But for now, for twenty twenty five, this is going to be such a short term thing.
30:37 --> 30:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he needs that many relief outings to convert to a big league reliever.
30:41 --> 30:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I would say he'll make
30:42 --> 30:44 [SPEAKER_00]: three more, maybe four more.
30:44 --> 30:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And then by September first, you call him up as the extra guy.
30:47 --> 30:53 [SPEAKER_02]: And for so many of these guys, you sit there and you ask him, it's like, you want to be in the big leagues and they say, yep, do whatever it takes.
30:54 --> 30:56 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's like, this is exactly what that is.
30:56 --> 31:01 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, I've started my entire life, but you want me to help you potentially go in a world series.
31:02 --> 31:04 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll be the best bullpen arm you got in your bullpen.
31:04 --> 31:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure that is exactly what Emerson would say.
31:07 --> 31:13 [SPEAKER_00]: As somebody who's such a team guy, such a down-to-earth dude, and like you said, I'm sure would love to be in the big leagues.
31:13 --> 31:15 [SPEAKER_00]: It's probably all four of this this year.
31:15 --> 31:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
31:16 --> 31:19 [SPEAKER_02]: And the last thing while before we get to our mailbag.
31:19 --> 31:20 [UNKNOWN]: God.
31:21 --> 31:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Dude.
31:22 --> 31:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Why do we have to sit here and fucking talk about the twenty-six guy on the roster on August, twenty-first for like the fourth podcast in a row?
31:31 --> 31:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, actually, rhetorical question.
31:34 --> 31:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll answer that because the Mariners have made this a story.
31:37 --> 31:38 [SPEAKER_00]: They made this a story.
31:39 --> 31:40 [SPEAKER_00]: For no reason.
31:43 --> 31:47 [SPEAKER_02]: To repeat myself, I don't know why Dylan Moore is on the roster.
31:48 --> 31:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Let alone starting back to back games against the fillets.
31:52 --> 31:53 [SPEAKER_02]: I do not know.
31:53 --> 31:56 [SPEAKER_02]: I understand Dom canzone's risk was sore.
31:56 --> 31:56 [SPEAKER_02]: I get it.
31:57 --> 31:57 [SPEAKER_02]: I get it.
31:58 --> 32:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Put anybody else in.
32:02 --> 32:08 [SPEAKER_02]: They are forefitting one of the nine spots in their lineup by putting him in there.
32:09 --> 32:10 [SPEAKER_02]: That's just how it is.
32:10 --> 32:15 [SPEAKER_02]: You could put any lefty, any righty, any switch hitter, shit.
32:15 --> 32:18 [SPEAKER_02]: They could have signed a semis of all of them for the series.
32:18 --> 32:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Your toughy goes which, and the OPS is not one, forty.
32:23 --> 32:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm about to play an exercise and for all you listening.
32:26 --> 32:27 [SPEAKER_00]: You can play along with us.
32:28 --> 32:28 [SPEAKER_00]: So.
32:29 --> 32:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I don't think this is about to be.
32:30 --> 32:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Dillon more in the last three months has OPS one forty against left handed pitching for a guy that is set to face left handed pitching.
32:39 --> 32:41 [SPEAKER_00]: That is his role to hit lefties.
32:41 --> 32:44 [SPEAKER_00]: He's OPSing one forty against lefties and continues to start.
32:45 --> 32:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's play an exercise.
32:46 --> 32:55 [SPEAKER_00]: TJ would felonine Celestine OPS one forty against lefties right now at the Big League level for a three month period.
33:01 --> 33:02 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to say no.
33:03 --> 33:04 [SPEAKER_02]: One forty.
33:04 --> 33:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's not going to OPS one.
33:07 --> 33:08 [SPEAKER_02]: He's going to sorry.
33:08 --> 33:09 [SPEAKER_02]: What I meant by that.
33:09 --> 33:10 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't order that correctly.
33:11 --> 33:13 [SPEAKER_02]: He will have above a one forty OPS.
33:13 --> 33:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Good.
33:14 --> 33:16 [SPEAKER_02]: It could be two hundred, but it's still above one forty.
33:17 --> 33:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I bet you it could be four hundred or four fifty right now.
33:21 --> 33:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's keep going.
33:23 --> 33:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Would now friend of the pod, Nikki Becker, right now who just played in his first couple of minor league games, OPS-one-forty against left-handed pitching over the course of a three-month stretch in the big leagues right now.
33:41 --> 33:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to say he would
33:45 --> 33:48 [SPEAKER_02]: I love you, Nicky, but front of the pod, but no, he's not.
33:49 --> 33:50 [SPEAKER_02]: He's gonna, he'd be under that.
33:50 --> 33:52 [SPEAKER_02]: He just finished facing high schoolers.
33:54 --> 33:55 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm taking the over.
33:55 --> 33:57 [SPEAKER_02]: These are vaguely girls.
33:57 --> 33:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Soon, one, the forty.
34:00 --> 34:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Isn't that a batting average?
34:02 --> 34:06 [SPEAKER_00]: At least Fellnine has been seeing nine be for the last two years.
34:07 --> 34:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Nicky's played in Showcase, as he seemed good arms.
34:09 --> 34:13 [SPEAKER_00]: He's seen guys that throw upper nineties for like three innings at a time.
34:13 --> 34:16 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, I'm still going to keep going because this is a fun exercise.
34:16 --> 34:25 [SPEAKER_00]: You're going to be able to test the OPS, one, fifty against, or would your group of T's to OPS, one, forty against left handed pitching over a three-month stretch in the big leagues right now.
34:26 --> 34:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Your group of T's to for those who don't know is in the Dominican summer league.
34:31 --> 34:34 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm also going to take the under on that one because he's lefty.
34:39 --> 34:39 [SPEAKER_03]: Hmm.
34:39 --> 34:40 [SPEAKER_03]: Hmm.
34:43 --> 34:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I actually have to sit here and think about this.
34:48 --> 34:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I will go with he would be slightly under.
34:52 --> 34:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Right now.
34:53 --> 34:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Right now.
34:53 --> 34:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Right now.
34:56 --> 34:58 [SPEAKER_00]: That's the level we've gotten to.
34:58 --> 35:08 [SPEAKER_00]: A seventeen-year-old prospect in the Dominican summer league is where I have to think about if you would OPS lower than one forty against left-handed pitching over a three-month stretch.
35:09 --> 35:18 [SPEAKER_00]: AKA, you would take almost every single other minor league bat in the system to put up higher than a one forty OPS against left handed pitching over a three-month stretch.
35:19 --> 35:21 [SPEAKER_00]: And if like that is the answer we're both giving.
35:22 --> 35:23 [SPEAKER_00]: AKA, I'm sorry.
35:24 --> 35:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I hate having to do this.
35:25 --> 35:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I really do.
35:26 --> 35:29 [SPEAKER_00]: When we had to do this multiple podcasts in a row, I've said the same thing.
35:29 --> 35:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to have to call for people's jobs, but this has to end.
35:35 --> 35:36 [SPEAKER_00]: It has to end.
35:36 --> 35:48 [SPEAKER_02]: If anyone could think of any baseball reason why Dylan Moore is still in the roster, please leave us a comment because Lion Eye after talking about this multiple episodes in row cannot find a reason.
35:48 --> 35:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Not a single one.
35:50 --> 35:51 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not defense.
35:51 --> 35:52 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not offense.
35:52 --> 35:53 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not base running.
35:54 --> 35:55 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it's clubhouse.
35:56 --> 35:57 [SPEAKER_02]: So what is it?
35:58 --> 36:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, nobody's saying Dillymor is a bad clubhouse guy, but you don't need Dillymor in there to keep a great clubhouse.
36:05 --> 36:06 [SPEAKER_00]: We are speculating on that.
36:06 --> 36:15 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not like we're part of the team, but when you have Gino and you have Nailer and you have Solano and you have Cal, there's leaders in that clubhouse.
36:15 --> 36:17 [SPEAKER_00]: You have JP, I should add him into.
36:18 --> 36:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Does anything change that much?
36:20 --> 36:21 [SPEAKER_00]: My answer is no.
36:24 --> 36:25 [SPEAKER_00]: And let me say this too.
36:27 --> 36:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, I don't want to have to do this to have to call for people's jobs.
36:30 --> 36:37 [SPEAKER_00]: And usually, genuinely, we don't, even like, because one way or another, things usually work themselves out in baseball.
36:38 --> 36:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Donovan Salano really struggled in the first month to the point where it was almost unfathomable, right?
36:43 --> 36:46 [SPEAKER_00]: And we said, okay, the teams either are gonna move on or he's gonna turn it around.
36:46 --> 36:48 [SPEAKER_00]: It's also very early in the year.
36:48 --> 36:49 [SPEAKER_00]: He turned it around.
36:49 --> 36:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying by any means Salano's been great, but it wasn't what he was doing in the first month.
36:53 --> 36:56 [SPEAKER_00]: He had a hot June and he figured it out and he's been a little better.
36:57 --> 37:01 [SPEAKER_00]: or when other guys are really struggling and struggling less than Dylan Moore, I might add.
37:03 --> 37:08 [SPEAKER_00]: The team moves on and we don't have to sit here and talk about these moves because they just move on.
37:09 --> 37:16 [SPEAKER_00]: But there is a combination of just about the worst three month offensive stretch we've ever seen and the team won't move on.
37:17 --> 37:24 [SPEAKER_02]: And this is a week after we saw what a real one through nine lineup with this team does.
37:24 --> 37:29 [SPEAKER_02]: And then the team goes out there and makes a decision to not do that on purpose.
37:31 --> 37:33 [SPEAKER_02]: It's mind boggling.
37:34 --> 37:36 [SPEAKER_02]: It really is.
37:37 --> 37:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, how much, how much the discourse changed around this lineup in the course of one week?
37:43 --> 38:03 [SPEAKER_02]: One week, while the discourse was, this might be the best lineup the mayor's have had outside, or it could be even better than, uh, ninety-five, ninety-six, ninety-eight, two thousand-one, and then the next week, friend of the podcast, Tidane Gonzalez tweets out, I refused to take this team seriously, based on who they're putting in the lineup.
38:03 --> 38:04 [SPEAKER_00]: This is within a week.
38:06 --> 38:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I said the same thing in our Wednesday afternoon reaction.
38:10 --> 38:10 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm serious.
38:12 --> 38:15 [SPEAKER_00]: You are choosing to not put the best twenty-six players on the roster.
38:15 --> 38:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Or you are choosing to not put the best twenty-six players in the organization on your roster on August twenty first when you're fighting for a playoff spot.
38:24 --> 38:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Actively, you are actively choosing not to put the best twenty-six players in the organization.
38:29 --> 38:30 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what's happening here.
38:30 --> 38:32 [SPEAKER_02]: And we can't figure out why.
38:33 --> 38:35 [SPEAKER_02]: We get a lot this for this mailbag.
38:35 --> 38:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we have a lot of dealing more questions asking why.
38:39 --> 38:40 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll answer all of them right here.
38:42 --> 38:42 [SPEAKER_02]: We don't know.
38:43 --> 38:45 [SPEAKER_00]: No idea why.
38:46 --> 38:52 [SPEAKER_00]: It's it's become the great mystery in the merit and the Seattle Mariners universe.
38:52 --> 38:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Seriously, nobody's got an answer for this.
38:55 --> 38:58 [SPEAKER_00]: And here's the thing, you said this before we started recording.
38:59 --> 39:11 [SPEAKER_00]: If he was like Solano, where he didn't have an abat in the last two weeks, and the only time you really saw him was to pinch Ron at times, maybe he'd have to play some late defensive innings for two innings here and an inning there.
39:12 --> 39:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Fine.
39:14 --> 39:17 [SPEAKER_00]: He started three games on this road trip.
39:18 --> 39:21 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't care that he got yanked out of the game through two or three of bats.
39:22 --> 39:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Those are still starts and at bats he's getting.
39:27 --> 39:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Doesn't make any sense.
39:28 --> 39:34 [SPEAKER_02]: And the only reason Solano played was was because J-Nailer got hurt.
39:34 --> 39:43 [SPEAKER_02]: To-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-
39:44 --> 39:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.
39:44 --> 39:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
39:45 --> 39:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that was the reason.
39:46 --> 39:50 [SPEAKER_02]: It was because Nailor was not playing that day, not because they wanted to play Donovan Solano.
39:51 --> 39:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Some of these lineups have made it seem like they want to play Dillon Moore.
39:55 --> 39:56 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't understand why.
39:56 --> 39:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Christopher's Sanchez is the next.
39:58 --> 40:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Christopher's Sanchez is the national league side young this year.
40:00 --> 40:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Mariners are going to put into the lineup, so when who's only the last three months striking out, fifty three percent of the time.
40:07 --> 40:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I think Sanchez will finish second, but close enough.
40:11 --> 40:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Doesn't make any sense, Lyle.
40:15 --> 40:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't get it.
40:17 --> 40:17 [SPEAKER_00]: What are we?
40:17 --> 40:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Like they need to provide an answer for this.
40:22 --> 40:27 [SPEAKER_00]: If they're not going to move on, the people need some explanation for what is happening here.
40:28 --> 40:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know, Justin Hollander talks to the media tomorrow.
40:31 --> 40:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, to give injury updates not to say why Dylan Moore's still in a roster.
40:41 --> 40:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Again, those those pressures are for injury updates.
40:44 --> 40:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Well,
40:45 --> 40:48 [SPEAKER_02]: and tell someone else someone asks about something else.
40:51 --> 40:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Dude, as much as I want to ask the question, I don't know if we'll get an answer.
40:58 --> 41:07 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'm serious though, to anyone curious why we wouldn't just ask asking a question like that doesn't usually result in an on the record answer.
41:08 --> 41:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Ever.
41:09 --> 41:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Ever.
41:10 --> 41:17 [SPEAKER_02]: So for something we could share personally with you on this podcast, that would not happen, unfortunately.
41:18 --> 41:21 [SPEAKER_00]: That is something we'd have to hear basically behind closed doors.
41:21 --> 41:24 [SPEAKER_00]: And then we could not say it on here.
41:24 --> 41:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
41:25 --> 41:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And for the record, we don't have some behind the scenes answer about this.
41:28 --> 41:30 [SPEAKER_00]: That's that's wholeheartedly truthful.
41:30 --> 41:31 [SPEAKER_00]: We don't.
41:31 --> 41:34 [SPEAKER_00]: If we did, we'd say it.
41:34 --> 41:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
41:35 --> 41:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
41:36 --> 41:37 [SPEAKER_00]: We don't have an answer.
41:37 --> 41:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Nobody has an answer.
41:40 --> 41:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Nope.
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43:26 --> 43:35 [SPEAKER_02]: And the first question comes from Tanner while on Tanner's question is, if you are in charge of this team right now, what moves are you making and why?
43:36 --> 43:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Right now today.
43:38 --> 43:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I would take Dillon Moore and Daumen Solano off the roster.
43:41 --> 43:47 [SPEAKER_00]: And I would add two of Ben Williamson, some odd Taylor, Leo Reva, smiles, Master Boney.
43:47 --> 43:51 [SPEAKER_00]: If you want me to pick two exact ones, I would
43:52 --> 43:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, there's a case for all of them.
43:54 --> 43:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd add Ben Williams and back, and I'd take one of the utility guys.
43:58 --> 43:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll say Leo Rebus.
44:00 --> 44:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
44:02 --> 44:04 [SPEAKER_02]: The way I was thinking about this, let's
44:06 --> 44:16 [SPEAKER_02]: The one, the one justification, well, it's not a justification, but the one idea that keeps getting floated out there for dealing more, being on the roster is that he's right-handed.
44:16 --> 44:18 [SPEAKER_02]: He needs someone right to hit lefties.
44:18 --> 44:20 [SPEAKER_02]: That's like, all right, so let's play by those rules.
44:20 --> 44:21 [SPEAKER_02]: You need a righty for dealing more.
44:22 --> 44:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's say you can take a lefty for Sloan because Sloan doesn't do anything on the roster anyway, and you can do a little right left mix.
44:29 --> 44:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I would say, like Solano's whole role, the reason I'm saying you could potentially move on is because his whole role was supposed to be to hit lefties and he doesn't hit lefties.
44:38 --> 44:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Now it's not Dylan Moore level, but Solano's not hitting lefties while this year and he's not playing.
44:42 --> 44:47 [SPEAKER_00]: So if that's the case, I feel like I'd rather have more versatility and speed on the roster.
44:48 --> 44:51 [SPEAKER_00]: And then if you need a first basement and a pinch when nailers out, you just play Rayleigh.
44:51 --> 44:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I understand.
44:52 --> 44:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Then you don't have somebody to hit righties, but again,
44:55 --> 44:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, to hit lefties, but Salano is not hitting lefties.
44:58 --> 45:01 [SPEAKER_00]: You could just let Nailor play every day or an Apache of Rayleigh do it.
45:02 --> 45:03 [SPEAKER_02]: So the decisions by position.
45:04 --> 45:05 [SPEAKER_02]: DFA deal one more.
45:06 --> 45:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Bring up some odd Taylor for his spot.
45:08 --> 45:10 [SPEAKER_02]: DFA Donovan Salano.
45:10 --> 45:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Bring up Miles Master Boni for his spot.
45:13 --> 45:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Roster and September is going to expand to twenty seven or yeah, our twenty eight.
45:18 --> 45:20 [SPEAKER_02]: You're going to next for position player.
45:21 --> 45:23 [SPEAKER_02]: I imagine then Robless gets added.
45:23 --> 45:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Start serving as suspension.
45:26 --> 45:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Once he is serving his suspension then so you keep him so he's serving his suspension you're playing a man down when the suspension is over
45:40 --> 45:43 [SPEAKER_02]: He's activated or activated and allowed to play again.
45:44 --> 45:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Therefore, you have an outfielder.
45:45 --> 45:47 [SPEAKER_02]: You no longer need some odd Taylor.
45:47 --> 45:51 [SPEAKER_02]: You send some odd Taylor down and you bring Ben Williams in up.
45:51 --> 45:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Or you could bring Leo Reeves up to anyone's preference.
45:55 --> 45:58 [SPEAKER_02]: I think bring up Ben is perfectly fine.
45:58 --> 46:02 [SPEAKER_02]: You can have him potentially play somewhere besides third base.
46:02 --> 46:05 [SPEAKER_02]: If you need to in a pinch, he's done it before in his career.
46:05 --> 46:06 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's always an option.
46:07 --> 46:08 [SPEAKER_02]: I do want to give a shout out to Ben, by the way.
46:09 --> 46:14 [SPEAKER_02]: He opened up a stance a little bit down into coma and he's hit three home runs since being down there.
46:14 --> 46:18 [SPEAKER_02]: By the way, this guy is not exactly mashing home runs on the miners before he got up to Seattle.
46:19 --> 46:24 [SPEAKER_02]: His career high in any season, college or pro is twelve home runs and usually it's about five.
46:24 --> 46:30 [SPEAKER_02]: So the fact he had three after opening his stance down into coma is definitely a welcome sign.
46:30 --> 46:31 [SPEAKER_02]: I'd love to see some of the data on that.
46:33 --> 46:34 [SPEAKER_00]: And twelve was in college, right?
46:34 --> 46:35 [SPEAKER_00]: It won't even marry.
46:35 --> 46:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, what?
46:36 --> 46:37 [SPEAKER_00]: This is the last year there.
46:38 --> 46:39 [SPEAKER_00]: So with a metal bat.
46:39 --> 46:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
46:39 --> 46:41 [SPEAKER_00]: With a wood bat, with an open stance.
46:43 --> 46:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying he's totally lighting the world on fire offensively, but to see some of the swing changes and to see him lift the ball a bit.
46:49 --> 46:49 [SPEAKER_00]: That is a nice sign.
46:50 --> 46:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying this is the end all be all solution for the next ten years at third base, but for the sake of what Ben Williamson can provide to the team if he's going to lift the ball a little bit.
47:00 --> 47:03 [SPEAKER_00]: That is a positive because you know he can already play really good defense.
47:03 --> 47:06 [SPEAKER_00]: If he could add a little bit more with the bad offensively,
47:07 --> 47:08 [SPEAKER_00]: turns into a real role player.
47:09 --> 47:14 [SPEAKER_00]: You could be a real utility infielder play a lot of third base on two, three days a week when guys need off days.
47:16 --> 47:21 [SPEAKER_02]: So I pull a prospects of on which is the the triple A version of baseball.
47:25 --> 47:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Quality Contact, eighty-fifth percentile.
47:29 --> 47:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Expected batting average for Ben, ninety-sixth percentile.
47:32 --> 47:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Expected slug, eighty-second.
47:34 --> 47:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Maximum exit velocity, a hundred and ten miles an hour.
47:38 --> 47:43 [SPEAKER_02]: His ninety-fifth percentile, which is, yeah, we're your ninety-th percentile is.
47:43 --> 47:46 [SPEAKER_02]: It's above average, sixty-second, and a hundred and four.
47:47 --> 47:49 [SPEAKER_02]: That's why he keeps his strikeout rate low.
47:49 --> 47:53 [SPEAKER_02]: He's not whipping, zone contact really high.
47:53 --> 47:56 [SPEAKER_02]: That's not a terrible combination.
47:56 --> 48:01 [SPEAKER_02]: I know it's your play, but it's pretty good.
48:01 --> 48:02 [SPEAKER_02]: I like that.
48:03 --> 48:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Interesting.
48:05 --> 48:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'll say it.
48:07 --> 48:10 [SPEAKER_02]: It's better than his first stint down in Tacoma.
48:10 --> 48:11 [SPEAKER_02]: His first stint down in Tacoma.
48:12 --> 48:13 [SPEAKER_02]: He didn't call it up.
48:13 --> 48:16 [SPEAKER_02]: He didn't get called up if you remember because he was mashing the ball.
48:16 --> 48:19 [SPEAKER_02]: In fact, I believe he had like one extra base hit.
48:19 --> 48:21 [SPEAKER_02]: He was not hitting the ball hard at all.
48:22 --> 48:26 [SPEAKER_02]: But I don't seem like he's hitting the ball a little bit harder here in the second stint.
48:26 --> 48:28 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'd be curious to see when he gets back.
48:28 --> 48:30 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm someone writes a story about him.
48:30 --> 48:32 [SPEAKER_02]: How much of that is due to his new stance?
48:32 --> 48:37 [SPEAKER_02]: But he is doing what he needs to do down into coma right now, which is the important part.
48:37 --> 48:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I love it.
48:38 --> 48:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I hope he gets back up in September because he can play a real role.
48:41 --> 48:44 [SPEAKER_00]: You need defense like that in the postseason and he can provide it at their base.
48:45 --> 48:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Next question, let's go to Graham, also on Patreon, and Graham basically asks if we have a second team that we root for, because he said some people like to have a second team.
48:56 --> 49:02 [SPEAKER_00]: If their main team isn't doing so well, some people like to have an AL and an NL team, but he said, do you guys follow a certain second team?
49:03 --> 49:04 [SPEAKER_00]: If so, who it is?
49:04 --> 49:09 [SPEAKER_00]: And he also asks, do you also have to deal with any team rivalry in your family?
49:11 --> 49:13 [SPEAKER_02]: to answer the second one quickly, not really.
49:14 --> 49:21 [SPEAKER_02]: No, not in two and in tense level, and it doesn't help the Mariners just haven't been good at very much at all, so that that part doesn't help.
49:22 --> 49:26 [SPEAKER_02]: The first part, I don't officially have a second team, but if I were to choose one of probably the Padres.
49:26 --> 49:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Number one, we have a pretty close friend of ours who's a diehard Padres fan, and we talk about the Mariners in Padres quite a lot.
49:34 --> 49:35 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not kind of ties in a little bit.
49:35 --> 49:36 [SPEAKER_02]: The podgers are fun.
49:36 --> 49:37 [SPEAKER_02]: They try and win.
49:37 --> 49:38 [SPEAKER_02]: They have star players.
49:38 --> 49:42 [SPEAKER_02]: They're the nationally version of the Mariners, roughly, which helps.
49:43 --> 49:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Whether it's great, they're ballpark rocks.
49:45 --> 49:48 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I think that's a good justification for it.
49:49 --> 49:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I think for me, it's still the meds.
49:51 --> 49:53 [SPEAKER_00]: My family grew up being met fans, my parents.
49:53 --> 49:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and TJ is the two.
49:55 --> 50:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Funny enough, our parents never knew each other, just like him and I never knew each other before we got to ASU.
50:01 --> 50:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, my parents grew up met fans.
50:03 --> 50:05 [SPEAKER_00]: My dad and his friends were all huge met fans.
50:05 --> 50:09 [SPEAKER_00]: They're all still huge met fans because all my dad's closest friends from growing up still live in New York.
50:09 --> 50:13 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I would say my second team would probably be the met.
50:13 --> 50:15 [SPEAKER_00]: So if I had an NLT, I had to root for it to them.
50:15 --> 50:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Podger is not far behind, but just because I have so many family ties that are met fans, I'd say the met's.
50:21 --> 50:24 [SPEAKER_00]: The only problem with rooting for the met per win is then you don't get frank meltdowns.
50:25 --> 50:28 [SPEAKER_02]: God, his meltdown today was so good.
50:28 --> 50:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my God.
50:30 --> 50:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Dude, that was two straight minutes of cursing.
50:35 --> 50:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Like usually some other stuff gets mixed in there.
50:38 --> 50:41 [SPEAKER_00]: That one, as Blupper replied to him, the Blupper Twitter account.
50:41 --> 50:42 [SPEAKER_00]: That was an all timer.
50:43 --> 50:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
50:44 --> 50:47 [SPEAKER_00]: As we sit here TJ, we're sitting here.
50:48 --> 50:53 [SPEAKER_00]: as he posted that reaction at exact time.
50:53 --> 50:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to make sure I get this right because it was something.
50:56 --> 50:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's get it.
50:57 --> 50:58 [SPEAKER_00]: He frankly tweets.
50:58 --> 50:59 [SPEAKER_00]: So many things.
50:59 --> 51:00 [SPEAKER_00]: He's tweeting so much about the Met's today.
51:00 --> 51:01 [SPEAKER_00]: This is crazy.
51:01 --> 51:03 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, four hours ago he tweeted this.
51:03 --> 51:06 [SPEAKER_00]: This is almost at six hundred thousand views on Twitter.
51:06 --> 51:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Frank's reactions always bang.
51:08 --> 51:10 [SPEAKER_00]: They don't usually quite hit a million.
51:10 --> 51:14 [SPEAKER_00]: If something in his hits a million, he really did something right.
51:14 --> 51:16 [SPEAKER_00]: This one might hit a million.
51:17 --> 51:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Mets are almost out of a playoffs plot.
51:20 --> 51:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Half game.
51:22 --> 51:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, a secondary Mets fan is one soda of bust.
51:28 --> 51:29 [SPEAKER_00]: No, he's not.
51:30 --> 51:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Good enough.
51:30 --> 51:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I know Frank said he is, but he's not.
51:32 --> 51:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Can you believe we now get to say friend of the pod, Frank the tank?
51:38 --> 51:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Still sounds surreal.
51:41 --> 51:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll see that.
51:43 --> 51:44 [SPEAKER_02]: This next question is for you, Lyle.
51:44 --> 51:56 [SPEAKER_02]: This comes from Josh on Patreon and Josh's question is, last week's male baggy professor loves her Adam's peanut butter, but we didn't talk about two things the rest of us peanut butter nerds are dying to know.
51:57 --> 52:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Chunk your creamy number one, number two, no stir or regular.
52:02 --> 52:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Please include your reasoning behind your answers or reveal so much about your personality to your listeners.
52:09 --> 52:10 [SPEAKER_00]: You're speaking my language, Josh.
52:10 --> 52:13 [SPEAKER_00]: These are the questions along with basically any Mariners topic.
52:14 --> 52:14 [SPEAKER_00]: They get me fired up.
52:15 --> 52:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Creamy all day every day, chunky peanut butter, I think is kind of gross.
52:19 --> 52:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd eat it if I have to, but I don't like chunky peanut butter much.
52:22 --> 52:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, gross is not fair as somebody who loves peanut butter, but I don't love chunky peanut butter.
52:27 --> 52:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it just peanuts.
52:29 --> 52:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I know, I like peanuts, but honestly, I think it ruins the sandwich a little bit.
52:36 --> 52:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Creamy peanut butter always.
52:37 --> 52:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Creamy peanut butter is better, but it's not like, I don't think chunky peanut butter is bad.
52:42 --> 52:43 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not bad.
52:43 --> 52:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that was too harsh, but I would just never even consider eating it over Creamy peanut butter ever.
52:49 --> 52:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
52:50 --> 52:58 [SPEAKER_00]: And then stir or no stir, either is fine, but most natural peanut butter is you do have to stir them up, like Adam's peanut butter.
52:58 --> 53:04 [SPEAKER_00]: So Adam's peanut butter, when you open the jar, you do have to stir it all together and then put it in the fridge.
53:06 --> 53:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I would say usually ones that are natural and that you can stir.
53:10 --> 53:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, I like skipy.
53:13 --> 53:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I like Jeff.
53:13 --> 53:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Those are great peanut but those are almost, those almost feel like cheat day peanut butters if that makes sense.
53:20 --> 53:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
53:20 --> 53:21 [SPEAKER_02]: I agree with you on that.
53:22 --> 53:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Like if I'm eating a regular peanut butter, peanut butter itself is not the healthiest thing in the world.
53:26 --> 53:29 [SPEAKER_02]: But if you want to go for a natural one, then the stir is the way to go.
53:29 --> 53:31 [SPEAKER_02]: And I usually always get the stir ones.
53:32 --> 53:37 [SPEAKER_02]: I will say, if I want like a cheat day peanut butter lile, I'm skipping skipie.
53:37 --> 53:38 [SPEAKER_02]: That don't bump.
53:39 --> 53:40 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I'm doing instead?
53:40 --> 53:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going straight for the Reese's peanut butter in a jar.
53:44 --> 53:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I thought you were saying you were going to eat skipie.
53:46 --> 53:48 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I would eat skipie, but oh, Reese's in a jar.
53:48 --> 53:50 [SPEAKER_02]: I would eat skipie, but why stop at skipie?
53:50 --> 53:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Why not just go all the way?
53:53 --> 53:55 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they sell the Reese's peanut butter spread in a jar.
53:56 --> 53:57 [SPEAKER_02]: It is true.
53:57 --> 53:59 [SPEAKER_02]: That's pretty good.
53:59 --> 54:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think sweet about it was that bad for you.
54:01 --> 54:01 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not.
54:01 --> 54:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying it's super food, but it's not bad for you.
54:05 --> 54:06 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just it's just high in fat.
54:06 --> 54:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's just pretty fatty.
54:08 --> 54:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's some decent nutrients in there.
54:09 --> 54:10 [SPEAKER_00]: It's high in fat.
54:11 --> 54:14 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not that high in saturated fat.
54:14 --> 54:18 [SPEAKER_00]: So if the rest of your meals throughout the day don't consist of high fat foods.
54:19 --> 54:19 [SPEAKER_00]: It's fine.
54:19 --> 54:24 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's about like with most things in most people's diets, sold out balance.
54:24 --> 54:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
54:24 --> 54:25 [SPEAKER_02]: And you balance it out.
54:26 --> 54:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
54:26 --> 54:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I would say mostly other meals I eat during the day or not, very high in fat.
54:29 --> 54:31 [SPEAKER_00]: So yes, I hope that answers Josh.
54:31 --> 54:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Creamy peanut butter always.
54:33 --> 54:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I am okay with either no stir or the regular, but usually I get the peanut butter that you do have to stir because that's what Adam says.
54:43 --> 54:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Alright, let's get to another question.
54:45 --> 54:46 [SPEAKER_00]: This one is from
54:47 --> 54:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Josh, or sorry, Josh has asked the question, Josh asks a great question, because there's about peanut butter, I'm still stuck on this question.
54:53 --> 54:53 [SPEAKER_00]: This is for Nick.
54:54 --> 54:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Nick wants to know what our honest assessment of Dan Wilson as a decision maker is.
55:00 --> 55:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh boy.
55:02 --> 55:04 [SPEAKER_02]: We've already talked about it.
55:04 --> 55:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Not a good decision maker.
55:07 --> 55:09 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I don't know how else to sugarcoat it.
55:09 --> 55:12 [SPEAKER_02]: He looks like a person managing his first full season.
55:13 --> 55:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Which by the way, even with the poor decisions is roster still won eighty nine games and is first a hundred and sixty two in charge, which is a good thing.
55:22 --> 55:33 [SPEAKER_02]: But like you can you can watch his decisions and you say does this make sense if you map it out and the answer the question is no, which it is a lot of the time and you're like, all right, well, all right.
55:34 --> 55:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
55:36 --> 55:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Nick wanted to include a reference from Billy Haywood and Little Big League, who's the eleven-year-old kid that manages the twins and how Billy Haywood had to learn between emotional decision-making and, or sorry, decision-making and emotional attachment.
55:55 --> 55:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Did you ever see Little Big League?
55:56 --> 55:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think so.
55:57 --> 55:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Some point when I was younger.
55:59 --> 56:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
56:01 --> 56:03 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what Nick wanted us to use as a comparison just because
56:05 --> 56:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Billy had to learn that yeah you like you can't be emotionally attached to guys you have to make baseball decisions and the manager etc.
56:12 --> 56:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Look I think players like playing for Dan Wilson we've heard that plenty that the players really do like playing for him and he's got such belief in his guys and unwavering positivity and guys seem to respond to it which great players need to respond to their manager but
56:30 --> 56:39 [SPEAKER_00]: He could also lose you games with decision-making, and this is what we've been worried about all year, that if this does not improve, it can cost you games down the stretch, or even worse in October.
56:39 --> 56:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I really, really don't want that to happen.
56:41 --> 56:58 [SPEAKER_00]: But when I see things like what happened on Thursday, sorry, on Wednesday and Philly, when all of a sudden he starts to use some of the middle-releaf guys, Bazardo, I guess Ferguson, where it essentially says, keep the game at bay by putting them in, and it's three won.
56:58 --> 56:59 [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, keep this thing close.
57:00 --> 57:02 [SPEAKER_00]: And then he uses Matt Brash to get out of a jam.
57:02 --> 57:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I said, okay, he's trying to take this game seriously.
57:05 --> 57:07 [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't want to get swept, games close, we're really trying to win.
57:08 --> 57:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Then Gino hits a Homer, game gets within one, and you think to yourself, oh, they're clipping away at this thing.
57:15 --> 57:16 [SPEAKER_00]: They're digging away.
57:16 --> 57:17 [SPEAKER_00]: They're now within a run.
57:18 --> 57:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's go to Gabe Spire in the seventh.
57:20 --> 57:24 [SPEAKER_00]: It was not Gabe Spire in the seventh, and then the game ended eleven to two.
57:25 --> 57:29 [SPEAKER_00]: When it was three, two, going into the bottom of the seventh inning, it's things like this.
57:30 --> 57:33 [SPEAKER_00]: here's still an August that I cannot out of.
57:35 --> 57:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Not great.
57:36 --> 57:40 [SPEAKER_02]: So in summary for the both of us, his decision making has not been good.
57:41 --> 57:46 [SPEAKER_02]: And we will see whether or not it will be enough to cost them at the end of the day.
57:47 --> 57:48 [SPEAKER_02]: That is still to be determined.
57:49 --> 57:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's get to the next question, Lyle.
57:50 --> 57:58 [SPEAKER_02]: This comes from Zander, and Zander's question is, is there something with this pitching staff that can explain why the strike outs are down?
57:58 --> 58:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Does entire year it seems like pitch counselor up, innings are down, and lots of contact.
58:05 --> 58:06 [SPEAKER_00]: This is a good question.
58:07 --> 58:08 [SPEAKER_00]: And this is a question that really takes some digging.
58:09 --> 58:10 [SPEAKER_00]: So we did want to
58:12 --> 58:15 [SPEAKER_00]: consult with our good friend, Joe Doyle, who's also a friend of the pod.
58:16 --> 58:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Just to get some additional opinion on why this could be happening.
58:19 --> 58:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Because again, this is a question that's well thought out and takes some digging.
58:24 --> 58:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I would say the overarching reason is you're absolutely right.
58:31 --> 58:35 [SPEAKER_00]: They're absolutely right in the sense of pictures have not been as efficient this year.
58:36 --> 58:37 [SPEAKER_00]: They have not been as efficient with their pitches.
58:37 --> 58:40 [SPEAKER_00]: So when yours and are asking this question,
58:41 --> 58:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, like, we can dig more into this, but to start off as a baseline answer, the Mariners rotation has not been as efficient this year as they've been in years past.
58:49 --> 58:52 [SPEAKER_00]: And as a result, it's led to some worse outings.
58:54 --> 59:15 [SPEAKER_02]: The simplest way to look at it is that last year might have been a career year for the rotation, and that this year is simply a natural regression process of human beings throwing a baseball on them out, where it's just impossible for five guys to collectively be very good to stray ears, just unlikely.
59:16 --> 59:17 [SPEAKER_02]: There's some other factors though.
59:18 --> 59:21 [SPEAKER_02]: The league was worse at hitting last year than it is this year.
59:22 --> 59:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Guys, as a whole across the league, are swinging it a little bit better.
59:27 --> 59:30 [SPEAKER_02]: That means across the board, average, on-base, slugging.
59:32 --> 59:51 [SPEAKER_02]: strikeout rate walk rate all these things tick towards the batter's direction and it for the most part lines up with the Mariners regression as a pitching staff last year's a staff across the board they were fourth and strikeout rate first in walk rate first in batting average against and first in a way.
59:52 --> 59:55 [SPEAKER_02]: This same season their sixteenth and strikeout rate seventh in walk rate.
59:56 --> 59:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Eighteenth in batting average against and thirteenth in
01:00:00 --> 01:00:01 [SPEAKER_02]: some natural regression.
01:00:02 --> 01:00:03 [SPEAKER_00]: So here's the key there.
01:00:04 --> 01:00:06 [SPEAKER_00]: The walk rates still not that high.
01:00:06 --> 01:00:09 [SPEAKER_00]: They're not walking a ton of additional batteries.
01:00:09 --> 01:00:12 [SPEAKER_00]: It's more than last year, but it's not this seismic jump.
01:00:13 --> 01:00:16 [SPEAKER_00]: The big difference here is they're not putting guys away efficiently.
01:00:16 --> 01:00:18 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's what's led to some worse results.
01:00:19 --> 01:00:21 [SPEAKER_02]: injuries, I think I've also played a big part of it.
01:00:21 --> 01:00:27 [SPEAKER_02]: The Mariners have until this week had not had their five healthy guys in the rotation at the same time.
01:00:27 --> 01:00:36 [SPEAKER_02]: And they might not even all be healthy because Bryce Miller still needs probably four starts under his belt where he's feeling great for us to call him completely healthy.
01:00:36 --> 01:00:38 [SPEAKER_02]: But this is about as close as it's gotten.
01:00:38 --> 01:00:43 [SPEAKER_02]: the rest of the season, the mayors have been pitching with either three or four of them available at the same time.
01:00:44 --> 01:00:50 [SPEAKER_02]: And that doesn't mean while they were pitching in the rotation, they're all healthy too, because Kirby had his bumps coming out of injury, so to Logan.
01:00:51 --> 01:00:52 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's another factor as well.
01:00:53 --> 01:00:55 [SPEAKER_02]: That can bite into the inflated numbers.
01:00:55 --> 01:01:00 [SPEAKER_02]: And as much as we love Logan and Emerson Hancock, there are efficiency numbers stacked up against the rest.
01:01:01 --> 01:01:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Or in his good.
01:01:02 --> 01:01:04 [SPEAKER_02]: So they would bring those numbers down.
01:01:06 --> 01:01:06 [SPEAKER_00]: No doubt.
01:01:07 --> 01:01:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully in twenty-six it turns and the tie gets back to closer to where it wasn't twenty-four.
01:01:12 --> 01:01:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully just down the stretch it turns.
01:01:14 --> 01:01:15 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what's most important.
01:01:16 --> 01:01:22 [SPEAKER_00]: If they can have a good month where they're putting guys away and not walking people as much, well, again, the walks aren't crazy.
01:01:22 --> 01:01:28 [SPEAKER_00]: If they can put more guys away in the final month and just be more efficient with their pitch counts and work deeper into games, that's a big key.
01:01:28 --> 01:01:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Put more guys away, work deeper into games.
01:01:30 --> 01:01:32 [SPEAKER_00]: That's really what they need.
01:01:32 --> 01:01:35 [SPEAKER_00]: And if they can do that in the final six, seven weeks and into the postseason,
01:01:36 --> 01:01:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Then what's happened in the first four months doesn't matter as much because they're gonna pitch like they did last year in October.
01:01:42 --> 01:01:42 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what matters.
01:01:43 --> 01:01:44 [SPEAKER_02]: On a percent agree.
01:01:46 --> 01:01:46 [SPEAKER_00]: How about Isaac?
01:01:46 --> 01:01:48 [SPEAKER_00]: He wants to know for our next Patreon question.
01:01:49 --> 01:01:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Shout it to Isaac.
01:01:49 --> 01:01:53 [SPEAKER_00]: He says if the following was the Mariners off season, how would you feel?
01:01:54 --> 01:01:55 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's nothing other than this.
01:01:55 --> 01:01:57 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners bring back Josh Nailer.
01:01:57 --> 01:01:59 [SPEAKER_00]: They signed him for five years, a hundred and ten million dollars.
01:02:00 --> 01:02:03 [SPEAKER_00]: They extend Brian Wu, seven years, hundred, twenty million dollars.
01:02:04 --> 01:02:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Trade Louise Castillo as a cost saving measure, and the return would be a top ten prospect in the arc, and that's the off season.
01:02:13 --> 01:02:15 [SPEAKER_02]: They make the playoffs this year in advance around.
01:02:15 --> 01:02:17 [SPEAKER_02]: I would say this off season would be a win.
01:02:19 --> 01:02:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Agreed, it wouldn't be the best offseason in Major League Baseball.
01:02:23 --> 01:02:28 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners would not win the offseason by doing this, but we couldn't sit here and rip it by any means.
01:02:28 --> 01:02:40 [SPEAKER_00]: If they bring back Nailer and they extend Wu and then if you're saving some money by trading Castillo, you would assume you're giving yourself funds to make additional acquisitions at the deadline of next year.
01:02:41 --> 01:02:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I think you can call that offseason solid.
01:02:45 --> 01:02:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, when I'm not gonna say it's gonna blow everybody away, but that's a good offseason.
01:02:49 --> 01:02:52 [SPEAKER_02]: You make the twenty twenty six roster better by doing that.
01:02:52 --> 01:03:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Like the difference between that offseason and the offseason we just endured is that I don't think the Mariners made their twenty twenty five roster better in the offseason before it.
01:03:03 --> 01:03:09 [SPEAKER_02]: But if they did this, the offs this upcoming offseason for twenty twenty six, they are making themselves better.
01:03:09 --> 01:03:10 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's what they need to go out and do.
01:03:11 --> 01:03:18 [SPEAKER_00]: However, if they missed the playoffs this year and I really hope that doesn't happen, you need to do more than this because that would show that this was again a roster not good enough to make the postseason.
01:03:19 --> 01:03:23 [SPEAKER_00]: And by Isaac's example here, that means Gino's not back.
01:03:23 --> 01:03:24 [SPEAKER_00]: So you need a third basement.
01:03:24 --> 01:03:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:03:26 --> 01:03:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:03:27 --> 01:03:32 [SPEAKER_02]: So, and think about what this means for Brian, I think the Brian Wu thing might even be bigger than Josh Nailer.
01:03:32 --> 01:03:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Brian Wu is production at a hundred and twenty million dollars over seven years.
01:03:37 --> 01:03:37 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a pretty good deal.
01:03:39 --> 01:03:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I know that this should be a win-win.
01:03:41 --> 01:03:44 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not the most unrealistic thing ever for him to sign a deal like that.
01:03:44 --> 01:03:46 [SPEAKER_02]: He only buys out three free agent years.
01:03:47 --> 01:03:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Especially if he is thinking about the potential lockout and wanting a deal done before that.
01:03:52 --> 01:03:56 [SPEAKER_02]: And he could hit free agency like a Zach Wheeler age gracefully.
01:03:57 --> 01:03:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Get a three year at that point.
01:03:59 --> 01:04:01 [SPEAKER_02]: It might be fifty million dollar a year contract.
01:04:02 --> 01:04:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Retired with two hundred million dollars in the bank.
01:04:04 --> 01:04:05 [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't sound like the worst life in the world.
01:04:07 --> 01:04:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Last Patreon question comes from Rusty and Rusty wants to change the subject on us a little bit because, well, I can't blame people for not buying to talk about the Mariners at this point.
01:04:20 --> 01:04:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Rusty asks, is this Seahawks defense top five in the NFL?
01:04:25 --> 01:04:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Who can we expect to break out from this rookie class?
01:04:30 --> 01:04:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Isn't it amazing how vibes change in a week with the Mariners?
01:04:35 --> 01:04:40 [SPEAKER_02]: It goes from best lineup since O-one to when did the seahawk start?
01:04:43 --> 01:04:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, are the Seahark to top five defense in the NFL?
01:04:47 --> 01:04:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Close.
01:04:47 --> 01:04:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I might put them just outside the top five.
01:04:49 --> 01:04:58 [SPEAKER_00]: They have a chance to be a top five defense this year and they need to be a top five defense if they want to be a successful team because I think this team is going to be absolutely built on their defense.
01:04:58 --> 01:05:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Who from the rookie class could break out?
01:05:02 --> 01:05:07 [SPEAKER_00]: If you want defensive players on the rookie class, I think the easy answer here is Nick Eman-Worry.
01:05:07 --> 01:05:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:05:08 --> 01:05:10 [SPEAKER_00]: That guy has a chance to be their Kyle Hamilton.
01:05:10 --> 01:05:17 [SPEAKER_00]: He has a chance to be their safety that moves around all over the field and you can blitz and put in the box and he can cover.
01:05:17 --> 01:05:19 [SPEAKER_00]: He's got a chance to be really, really fun.
01:05:19 --> 01:05:22 [SPEAKER_00]: So I might be taking the easy answer here.
01:05:22 --> 01:05:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Eman-Worry would be the player I'd take to break out and in terms of the defense, I would say they're just outside of top five defense with a chance to elevate to that by the end of the year.
01:05:31 --> 01:05:33 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll say they are top five defense.
01:05:34 --> 01:05:35 [SPEAKER_02]: I think they had the talent to do so.
01:05:35 --> 01:05:39 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm really excited for even worry, but I'm going to pick someone else for my breakout.
01:05:40 --> 01:05:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Tory Horton, like Tory Horton should have been a wide receiver by the way, who they drafted out of Colorado State.
01:05:45 --> 01:05:48 [SPEAKER_02]: He would have been like a second round pick, if he just stayed healthy in college, but he didn't.
01:05:49 --> 01:05:51 [SPEAKER_02]: And he's been healthy in training camp.
01:05:51 --> 01:05:53 [SPEAKER_02]: And he's been lighting up the newsboards.
01:05:54 --> 01:05:55 [SPEAKER_02]: People are very high on him.
01:05:55 --> 01:06:00 [SPEAKER_02]: His talent is like for the draft purposes was like a top fifty top sixty talent.
01:06:01 --> 01:06:03 [SPEAKER_02]: So the fact they got him in the fifth round is insane.
01:06:04 --> 01:06:05 [SPEAKER_02]: It's honestly just what they needed.
01:06:06 --> 01:06:07 [SPEAKER_02]: They didn't have depth at wide receiver.
01:06:07 --> 01:06:10 [SPEAKER_02]: And if you can find that in the fifth round, it's pretty incredible.
01:06:12 --> 01:06:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Especially because he's been healthy for the most part.
01:06:14 --> 01:06:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I know he's battled a little bit of an ankle thing the last few days, but there was real questions about his injury history.
01:06:20 --> 01:06:24 [SPEAKER_00]: And if it would carry over in the NFL and so far, he's lit it up in training camp.
01:06:24 --> 01:06:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Even worry, I should say, I guess for anybody that may be just a baseball fan and isn't a football fan was a safety out of South Carolina.
01:06:32 --> 01:06:35 [SPEAKER_00]: The Seahawks drafted him early in the second round.
01:06:35 --> 01:06:36 [SPEAKER_00]: He's essentially a first round pick.
01:06:36 --> 01:06:44 [SPEAKER_00]: The Seahawks essentially have two first round picks, because the rumor has that the Seahawks tried to trade up to pick thirty-one in the draft to go get Eman worry on day one.
01:06:45 --> 01:06:51 [SPEAKER_00]: And if that had happened, they essentially would have just had two first round picks, but they got Eman worry by trading up with the second pick in the second round.
01:06:52 --> 01:06:54 [SPEAKER_00]: So the Seahawks essentially have two first round picks.
01:06:54 --> 01:06:55 [SPEAKER_00]: And Eman worry's got a chance to be a stud.
01:06:56 --> 01:07:00 [SPEAKER_02]: And if you don't, if you didn't get the Kyle Hamilton reference, he's not going.
01:07:00 --> 01:07:06 [SPEAKER_02]: He's most likely not going to be this player, but I'm sure most of our baseball only listeners know who Cam Chancellor is.
01:07:07 --> 01:07:09 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not like it's similar build.
01:07:10 --> 01:07:11 [SPEAKER_02]: if you need a comparison.
01:07:11 --> 01:07:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Not a similar player, but the size for sure.
01:07:14 --> 01:07:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Big hitting safety.
01:07:16 --> 01:07:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
01:07:17 --> 01:07:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:07:17 --> 01:07:20 [SPEAKER_02]: But he's more like more of just a safety, even more is a little more versatile.
01:07:20 --> 01:07:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:07:21 --> 01:07:27 [SPEAKER_00]: And again, Hamilton lines up all over the place, which is why you use that compared with McDonald's coached him on his defense in Baltimore.
01:07:27 --> 01:07:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
01:07:27 --> 01:07:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Hamilton.
01:07:28 --> 01:07:31 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think we do have one more question to you.
01:07:31 --> 01:07:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we do want to hear it.
01:07:33 --> 01:07:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, let's hear it.
01:07:34 --> 01:07:35 [SPEAKER_00]: final question.
01:07:36 --> 01:07:37 [SPEAKER_00]: We go over to Instagram.
01:07:38 --> 01:07:40 [SPEAKER_00]: And I want to make sure I get the person's name right.
01:07:40 --> 01:07:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I have it.
01:07:42 --> 01:07:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I see Wolf.
01:07:43 --> 01:07:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, see Wolf.
01:07:44 --> 01:07:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I just wanted to give his handle a shout out just to make sure that he gets a proper shout out.
01:07:49 --> 01:07:51 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's see underscore wolf.
01:07:51 --> 01:07:53 [SPEAKER_00]: He wants to know this is right up your alley.
01:07:54 --> 01:07:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Would you rather have the following player for the rest of the year?
01:07:57 --> 01:07:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Dillon Moore.
01:07:58 --> 01:08:03 [SPEAKER_00]: or Abraham Toro who was just DFA by the red socks.
01:08:04 --> 01:08:05 [SPEAKER_00]: He's out there for the taking page.
01:08:06 --> 01:08:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Abraham Toro is a free agent.
01:08:08 --> 01:08:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Once again, well he's not a free agent.
01:08:10 --> 01:08:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Somebody can claim him on waivers, but the Mariners have a chance to actually, sometimes you gotta go back to actually move forward.
01:08:18 --> 01:08:20 [SPEAKER_00]: That's Matthew McConaughey would say.
01:08:20 --> 01:08:21 [SPEAKER_00]: They have a chance to bring him back.
01:08:23 --> 01:08:24 [SPEAKER_02]: This is a lose lose.
01:08:25 --> 01:08:31 [SPEAKER_02]: I either get the worst player on baseball on my roster or the second worst player in baseball.
01:08:34 --> 01:08:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Is it a sub for interpretation?
01:08:37 --> 01:08:38 [SPEAKER_02]: You're not supposed to be Demo.
01:08:39 --> 01:08:40 [SPEAKER_02]: There's no other way.
01:08:40 --> 01:08:42 [SPEAKER_02]: There's no other way around it.
01:08:42 --> 01:08:43 [SPEAKER_00]: So hold up.
01:08:43 --> 01:08:54 [SPEAKER_00]: You just openly admitted delineated Celestine with OPS higher than one forty right now for three months against left handed pitching, but you're not taking Abe over Demo at this point.
01:08:54 --> 01:08:55 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I said I am taking Abe over Demo.
01:08:55 --> 01:08:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you are taking Abe.
01:08:57 --> 01:08:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
01:08:57 --> 01:08:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah.
01:08:58 --> 01:08:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Look at that.
01:08:59 --> 01:09:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Even you can be bought out on the bed.
01:09:01 --> 01:09:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I will grit my teeth and say that I want to take over him tomorrow over Dylan Moore.
01:09:10 --> 01:09:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
01:09:11 --> 01:09:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Because guess what?
01:09:12 --> 01:09:14 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what Abe's doing against left-handed pitching this year?
01:09:15 --> 01:09:16 [SPEAKER_00]: OPSing about six hundred.
01:09:16 --> 01:09:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
01:09:18 --> 01:09:20 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like four times as much.
01:09:20 --> 01:09:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Five hundred points higher in the last three months than Dylan Moore.
01:09:24 --> 01:09:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, and that's the difference between Abe Toro and Aaron Judge.
01:09:28 --> 01:09:29 [SPEAKER_00]: It's true about that.
01:09:29 --> 01:09:31 [SPEAKER_00]: It's pretty good.
01:09:31 --> 01:09:33 [SPEAKER_00]: You want, you want that big of an increased Mariners fans?
01:09:33 --> 01:09:34 [SPEAKER_00]: You could get it.
01:09:36 --> 01:09:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I can't believe you made me make that decision.
01:09:39 --> 01:09:41 [SPEAKER_02]: God, Demo leaves me no choice.
01:09:42 --> 01:09:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Shout out.
01:09:42 --> 01:09:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll stay consistent though.
01:09:44 --> 01:09:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Dillon Moore is probably the worst player in baseball this year, the last three months.
01:09:48 --> 01:09:49 [SPEAKER_02]: So that means yes.
01:09:50 --> 01:09:52 [SPEAKER_02]: That means yes, Abe has to be on the roster.
01:09:52 --> 01:09:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Shout out the Red Sox by the way.
01:09:54 --> 01:09:58 [SPEAKER_02]: No, no like, um, they weren't putting up with anything.
01:09:59 --> 01:10:01 [SPEAKER_02]: So that Abe was being Abe?
01:10:03 --> 01:10:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Jericho Robbins never had to get you that jersey.
01:10:06 --> 01:10:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Sad.
01:10:06 --> 01:10:07 [SPEAKER_02]: No, he did not.
01:10:08 --> 01:10:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, if the Mariners go out and sign actually sign Abraham Toro for Dillon Moore, I think I'm gonna have a meltdown.
01:10:16 --> 01:10:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Not what I meant by upgrade the roster, guys.
01:10:20 --> 01:10:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I would, that would be the best piece of content we've ever put out your live reaction to that.
01:10:25 --> 01:10:26 [SPEAKER_00]: It would be amazing.
01:10:27 --> 01:10:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I would be, I would be so happy for every good reason for the sake of content.
01:10:31 --> 01:10:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Be unreal.
01:10:33 --> 01:10:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Good questions to the underscore wolf.
01:10:35 --> 01:10:35 [SPEAKER_00]: That was really rough.
01:10:35 --> 01:10:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Dancer, too.
01:10:37 --> 01:10:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, I take a. Oh, I take the answer.
01:10:40 --> 01:10:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:10:41 --> 01:10:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, he's opiating five hundred points higher against lefties.
01:10:45 --> 01:10:46 [SPEAKER_03]: I guess.
01:10:47 --> 01:10:48 [SPEAKER_00]: No, not I guess that is what's happening.
01:10:50 --> 01:10:52 [SPEAKER_00]: That is what's happening objectively.
01:10:52 --> 01:10:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, too.
01:10:52 --> 01:10:54 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what's happening if I have to make this decision.
01:10:55 --> 01:10:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Mariners are missing the playoffs.
01:10:57 --> 01:10:58 [SPEAKER_00]: What?
01:11:00 --> 01:11:02 [SPEAKER_00]: You know the miss the playoffs.
01:11:02 --> 01:11:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, I would not rather miss the playoffs, but if the Mariners are making their decision between these two players, they are missing the playoffs.
01:11:11 --> 01:11:12 [SPEAKER_02]: because guess what?
01:11:12 --> 01:11:21 [SPEAKER_02]: The first, the first time around, it was Jerry's favorite player in the world, Abraham, Toro going out there and purposely making the Mariners worse in the year they made the playoffs.
01:11:21 --> 01:11:24 [SPEAKER_02]: And then they sent him down and funny enough, they went and made the playoffs.
01:11:26 --> 01:11:30 [SPEAKER_02]: And then we have this year where Dylan Moore might be Dan Wilson's favorite player of all time.
01:11:30 --> 01:11:33 [SPEAKER_02]: And Mariners can miss the playoffs because of it.
01:11:33 --> 01:11:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's see if they make the right decision again.
01:11:35 --> 01:11:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I hope so.
01:11:39 --> 01:11:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I hope so.
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