Lyle and TJ discuss the disappointing start to the road trip, and what concerned them the most (2:30). They then talk about the startling numbers when the Mariners leave their starters in too long (24:45) and what would happen if the Mariners don't play better on the road (34:44).
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00:00 --> 00:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to episode number two, eighty-nine of the Marine Lair podcast.
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00:52 --> 01:03 [SPEAKER_01]: And we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Lair podcast part of the just baseball podcast network recording here on Sunday afternoon evening on August thirty first.
01:03 --> 01:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Mariners have four road series left while after losing two of three to the guardians.
01:07 --> 01:10 [SPEAKER_01]: How are we going to make it through these next four?
01:11 --> 01:13 [SPEAKER_02]: We're not rhetorical question.
01:14 --> 01:15 [SPEAKER_01]: We ain't making it through.
01:15 --> 01:19 [SPEAKER_01]: So should I just not watch for my own mental health insanity?
01:20 --> 01:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you did say before we hit record that you might start having an aneurysm if you have to watch any more Mariners road games.
01:25 --> 01:31 [SPEAKER_02]: So maybe that maybe just check maybe just check game day on MLB.com.
01:32 --> 01:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I honestly might not even check the score.
01:34 --> 01:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I might just roll up to the podcast and have you inform me what happened.
01:38 --> 01:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's a really good idea.
01:39 --> 01:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Have the same person of the podcast inform the insane one, aka you, the, the, the, the uncom unstable one, what happened in a Mariners road game.
01:50 --> 01:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Let like leave that to me as the known even killed level headed person of this podcast.
01:56 --> 01:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, let me do that.
01:58 --> 02:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I think of that as like letting Frank tell me what happened in the Met series this weekend.
02:03 --> 02:06 [SPEAKER_01]: But when that, I think that would be kind of entertaining to be honest.
02:07 --> 02:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you're gonna tell me everyone deserves to be fired, and then everyone needs to be sent down to AAA, and that the Mariners are gonna lose out the rest of the way, and finish under five hundred, like all these terrible things, and it'd be like, oh wow, damn, it must have been a bad weekend.
02:21 --> 02:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so one of two things then, we either need to invite Frank back on the podcast to have him yell that at us, or we just pay for another cameo, like our friends did a couple of years ago for Frank, and have him say that, and we play it on the show.
02:35 --> 02:38 [SPEAKER_01]: So what would your lile slash frank evaluation of the weekend be?
02:41 --> 02:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I don't think I call for people to be fired.
02:45 --> 02:46 [SPEAKER_02]: So that might not be.
02:46 --> 02:51 [SPEAKER_02]: I might not quite be in the Frank the tank tree to the fullest hundredth percentile in that regard.
02:53 --> 03:01 [SPEAKER_02]: However, I am in your bucket when I say that was brutal to watch on Friday and Saturday, especially Friday's game.
03:01 --> 03:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Gavin Williams, you have to just tip your cap.
03:04 --> 03:05 [SPEAKER_02]: He absolutely shoved.
03:05 --> 03:05 [SPEAKER_02]: He dealt.
03:06 --> 03:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Mariners couldn't get to him, but on Friday, you're up for nothing.
03:09 --> 03:13 [SPEAKER_02]: You go to the A guys in the bullpen and you lose the game.
03:14 --> 03:17 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, and that's what I said.
03:17 --> 03:18 [SPEAKER_02]: You lose the game.
03:18 --> 03:19 [SPEAKER_02]: You blow it.
03:19 --> 03:19 [SPEAKER_02]: That's sure.
03:21 --> 03:26 [SPEAKER_02]: when you do that and the narrative around you is already you have serious issues playing on the road.
03:27 --> 03:30 [SPEAKER_02]: This is what causes fans down the stretch to rip their hair out.
03:31 --> 03:33 [SPEAKER_01]: This is what causes people to literally go crazy.
03:34 --> 03:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I did feel like on Friday I was going to go crazy because it just felt like a win.
03:38 --> 03:38 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like okay.
03:39 --> 03:40 [SPEAKER_01]: They got the tough road trip out of the way.
03:41 --> 03:45 [SPEAKER_01]: All they all they need to do down the stretch is play five hundred on the road.
03:45 --> 03:46 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't just sweep anybody.
03:47 --> 03:50 [SPEAKER_01]: You just need to not totally suck on the road.
03:50 --> 03:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And what do they do on Friday?
03:51 --> 03:53 [SPEAKER_01]: They come out and they score four runs in the first inning.
03:54 --> 03:55 [SPEAKER_01]: They look great.
03:55 --> 04:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Kirby's dealing, and they still, like, they've line up the pitching exactly how they want to.
04:00 --> 04:04 [SPEAKER_01]: They're facing a team in Cleveland, which has been skating recently.
04:04 --> 04:10 [SPEAKER_01]: If you had swept them this weekend, they would be eight games out right now, and they would be out of the playoffs.
04:10 --> 04:11 [SPEAKER_01]: It would be over for them.
04:12 --> 04:13 [SPEAKER_01]: They would kick the cannon on the season.
04:14 --> 04:22 [SPEAKER_01]: But that did not happen because the Mariners blew the game on Friday and didn't play very well on Saturday when Gavin Williams dealt.
04:22 --> 04:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Logan Gilbert gave up a home run late in his start and the offense was just not very good overall.
04:28 --> 04:35 [SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, even on Sunday, like sometimes you just have to make plays and get a little lucky to win a game like Julio beating out.
04:36 --> 04:40 [SPEAKER_01]: It infield to run single by half a spike to give the Mariners the lead in that game.
04:41 --> 04:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, great.
04:42 --> 04:42 [SPEAKER_01]: It works out.
04:42 --> 04:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes the Mariners really did just need that and we'll get to that in a little bit.
04:46 --> 04:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, man.
04:48 --> 05:00 [SPEAKER_01]: This weekend, I'm just staring in a watching this team on the road and I'm just still trying to wonder why this team in every aspect of their game plays so much differently on the road.
05:00 --> 05:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Name an area and they play different every time they're on the road now.
05:05 --> 05:06 [SPEAKER_02]: I think your math might be off, by the way.
05:06 --> 05:08 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think Cleveland would be eight back if they had swept.
05:08 --> 05:09 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's six.
05:09 --> 05:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, they entered five.
05:10 --> 05:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Five games back.
05:11 --> 05:12 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you're right.
05:12 --> 05:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Never mind.
05:13 --> 05:13 [SPEAKER_01]: They would have been eight.
05:14 --> 05:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
05:15 --> 05:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
05:15 --> 05:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you could have totally buried them.
05:17 --> 05:17 [SPEAKER_01]: It would have been over.
05:18 --> 05:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And you would be, instead of four games up on the Royals right now, because the Royals lost today, you would be six games up on them.
05:28 --> 05:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And they would arguably be out of it.
05:29 --> 05:30 [SPEAKER_01]: If I have that math right.
05:32 --> 05:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Sounds like a lot of missed opportunities.
05:34 --> 05:45 [SPEAKER_02]: What it sounds like to me, which they cannot afford to keep doing down the stretch here, because we saw just how close they were to letting those teams right back into the race.
05:45 --> 05:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Had they lost on Sunday, the guardians would be too back, the royals would be one back.
05:51 --> 06:00 [SPEAKER_02]: They are very, very fortunate that Julio's as fast as he is to beat out that infield ground ball, or we could have been talking about a very different scenario here as we enter Monday.
06:03 --> 06:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Which game do we want to talk about first?
06:07 --> 06:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Because like we can complain about something from literally any game.
06:12 --> 06:13 [SPEAKER_02]: That's a great question.
06:14 --> 06:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Can I say none of them when we end the podcast here at about six minutes in?
06:18 --> 06:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure our listeners are going to be thrilled about that.
06:21 --> 06:23 [SPEAKER_01]: You're welcome, God.
06:23 --> 06:24 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to listen to the negativity.
06:26 --> 06:28 [SPEAKER_02]: It was bad online this weekend, by the way.
06:28 --> 06:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Because to your point about how you felt like you were losing your mind watching this game, clearly a lot of the fan base did too.
06:35 --> 06:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Because we put out a tweet on Saturday saying, basically, Gavin Williams absolutely shoved.
06:41 --> 06:44 [SPEAKER_02]: And then you had the Royals win.
06:45 --> 06:48 [SPEAKER_02]: You had the Guardians get within three games on Saturday.
06:48 --> 06:49 [SPEAKER_02]: It would have been two had they won on Sunday.
06:51 --> 06:52 [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, I have the right.
06:53 --> 06:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
06:54 --> 06:56 [SPEAKER_02]: And then I'm seeing all these comments under that post.
06:57 --> 06:57 [SPEAKER_02]: It's over.
06:57 --> 06:58 [SPEAKER_02]: It's over.
06:58 --> 06:59 [SPEAKER_02]: They're not making the playoffs.
07:00 --> 07:00 [SPEAKER_02]: They're cooked.
07:01 --> 07:05 [SPEAKER_02]: So obviously fans online can't be the whole measuring stick of a fan base.
07:05 --> 07:17 [SPEAKER_02]: However, if you felt like you TJ were going crazy this weekend, you're not the only one because clearly the sentiment in the fan base was not positive.
07:18 --> 07:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to correct something I said first before I continue on with that.
07:21 --> 07:22 [SPEAKER_01]: The Royals would only be four back.
07:23 --> 07:23 [SPEAKER_01]: They wouldn't be six back.
07:23 --> 07:24 [SPEAKER_01]: So I got that wrong.
07:24 --> 07:26 [SPEAKER_01]: The Royals wouldn't have been completely buried.
07:26 --> 07:27 [SPEAKER_01]: The Guardians would have been.
07:27 --> 07:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
07:28 --> 07:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
07:28 --> 07:38 [SPEAKER_01]: To continue off of that point, though, in the broadest strokes when you're watching the team and you feel like you're going crazy, like I literally cannot blame you for feeling that way.
07:39 --> 07:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Because post all star break on the road, while the Mariners offense has an eighty six WRC plus as a team.
07:49 --> 07:57 [SPEAKER_01]: The entire team, collectively, with Julio having about a two hundred WRC plus has an eighty six WRC plus on the road.
07:58 --> 08:01 [SPEAKER_01]: The pitching staff has an era over five.
08:02 --> 08:03 [SPEAKER_01]: in that time span.
08:03 --> 08:08 [SPEAKER_00]: No wonder you're not winning any games because they're not doing anything.
08:09 --> 08:10 [SPEAKER_00]: How are you supposed to do something?
08:10 --> 08:16 [SPEAKER_00]: You would think a team with that much talent could do something on the road in that stretch instead.
08:17 --> 08:20 [SPEAKER_00]: They're doing literally nothing and I've no explanation for it.
08:20 --> 08:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm thinking of all these games they're playing where they have the lineup advantage and the starting pitching advantage.
08:27 --> 08:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And it doesn't look like it at all.
08:29 --> 08:30 [SPEAKER_00]: How is that the case?
08:32 --> 08:36 [SPEAKER_02]: And the Guardians do have some good arms, but it's not to the level of the Mariners.
08:36 --> 08:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Look, Gavin Williams is had a good year.
08:38 --> 08:45 [SPEAKER_02]: We know Tanner Bibi is really good when he's at his best, much of like we saw on Sunday, because he turned in a pretty good start outside of the ball.
08:45 --> 08:47 [SPEAKER_02]: He let up to Randy.
08:47 --> 09:00 [SPEAKER_02]: We know the Guardians can pitch, but they should not out pitch the Mariners, and they should not overall outplay the Mariners when they are absolutely free falling as of the last couple of weeks, and are wait for it.
09:01 --> 09:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Wait for it.
09:02 --> 09:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Twenty-ninth in baseball and team OPS this year.
09:07 --> 09:12 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners since May, twenty-second have played in.
09:13 --> 09:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Math.
09:14 --> 09:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Fourteen road series.
09:17 --> 09:18 [SPEAKER_01]: They've won three of them.
09:20 --> 09:21 [SPEAKER_01]: May, twenty-second.
09:21 --> 09:22 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
09:22 --> 09:24 [SPEAKER_01]: They played the, that was the star of a series.
09:24 --> 09:26 [SPEAKER_01]: They played against the Astros and they lost three of four.
09:27 --> 09:33 [SPEAKER_01]: They have played in fourteen road series and they have won three of them.
09:33 --> 09:40 [SPEAKER_01]: All you ask from your team, if you're going to make the playoffs, is your excellent at home, which the Mariners have been this season.
09:40 --> 09:43 [SPEAKER_01]: They've won over sixty percent of their games at home.
09:43 --> 09:45 [SPEAKER_01]: In fact, while they have never won,
09:46 --> 10:12 [SPEAKER_01]: sixty percent of their games at home and back to back seasons this is a franchise that once one over seventy percent of their games in a season in two thousand and one yet they've never in back to back seasons been as successful at home as they've been the last two seasons and yet on the road it's not it's not even close they're not a good team on the road and there's there shouldn't be this much of a drop-off
10:13 --> 10:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Home to road from these guys there should not be and they're losing games Against teams they should not be losing games to that Cleveland lineup Not not not serious line.
10:25 --> 10:34 [SPEAKER_01]: They have Jram in there, but when I'm telling you that the Mariners let Cleveland get big hits from Brian Rokio
10:35 --> 10:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Daniel Schneiman, who's for some reason hitting second with an eighty eight WRC plus in that lineup.
10:41 --> 10:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And Nolan Jones, who has struggled, mightily throughout his big league career at the play.
10:46 --> 10:51 [SPEAKER_01]: You're letting those guys get big hits and big moments off of you in this playoff race.
10:52 --> 10:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, maybe it's bad luck.
10:54 --> 10:57 [SPEAKER_01]: But with less than a month in the season, you don't have time for luck to turn around.
10:58 --> 10:59 [SPEAKER_01]: You either do it or you don't.
11:00 --> 11:04 [SPEAKER_01]: And if you don't, then you get left out of the playoffs and you get blamed for it.
11:06 --> 11:10 [SPEAKER_02]: By the way, Julio has an eighty-six WRC plus on the road since the All-Star Break.
11:11 --> 11:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Julio has like a two hundred WRC plus.
11:15 --> 11:17 [SPEAKER_02]: The team combined has an eighty-six.
11:17 --> 11:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I thought I heard you say Julio was it eighty-six.
11:20 --> 11:23 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like that doesn't sound right considering he hits so much better on the road than at home.
11:24 --> 11:29 [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's like Barry Barnes or early season, Cal Raleigh levels on the road.
11:29 --> 11:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone else is dragging it down.
11:33 --> 11:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Some of the, you know, the big detractors from that from the All Starbreak, Cole Young, JP, Josh Nailer, Garver, Palanco, Randy's been about average, roughly, but no one is bringing it up.
11:49 --> 11:58 [SPEAKER_01]: at all, like even cow since the old star breaks at a one twenty on the road one twenty three, but it's not going to carry the the team weight up.
12:00 --> 12:07 [SPEAKER_02]: They need to have multiple good road series in a row to ensure confidence and I'd say the majority of this fan base.
12:09 --> 12:12 [SPEAKER_02]: in them playing successful baseball composes in time on the road.
12:12 --> 12:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Because if you can't take care of the guardians, if you can't take care of the orials on the road, if you can take care of the diamond backs on the road, back in the middle of the year, there's been others, you know, they've struggled against the angels and A's at times.
12:26 --> 12:28 [SPEAKER_02]: How are you going to go out and beat the red socks on the road?
12:28 --> 12:30 [SPEAKER_02]: How are you going to go out and beat the blue jays on the road?
12:30 --> 12:32 [SPEAKER_02]: How are you going to go out and beat the tigers on the road?
12:33 --> 12:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, what confidence are they going to instill in people that they can do that unless they turn this thing around in the final month?
12:41 --> 12:44 [SPEAKER_01]: This offense is way too talented to be hitting like this on the road.
12:45 --> 12:50 [SPEAKER_01]: They're hitting in better, better hitting environments on the road than they are at home.
12:50 --> 12:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Their team OPS for the season season long is better on the road than it is at home.
12:56 --> 12:59 [SPEAKER_01]: and yet they just can't score runs on the road.
13:00 --> 13:04 [SPEAKER_01]: And since they all start break, they've been awful on the road.
13:05 --> 13:06 [SPEAKER_01]: It's puzzling.
13:06 --> 13:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And it isn't even just, you can look at it in a totality standpoint.
13:11 --> 13:14 [SPEAKER_01]: You can look at it on an individualistic standpoint.
13:14 --> 13:20 [SPEAKER_01]: You can look on it in a fact of like that cow since July first has essentially just been
13:21 --> 13:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Cal before this season instead of Cal this season.
13:25 --> 13:42 [SPEAKER_01]: What I mean by that is a seven hundred to seven fifty OPS with a lot of home runs and not as much else and it doesn't help the offense out when he does that because they need him to be better than that given how it's structured and how well he's hit this season.
13:43 --> 13:50 [SPEAKER_01]: or, you know, the streakiness of Randy Rosarena being cold or Cole Young going into a slumber, JP Crawford being in a slump.
13:50 --> 13:55 [SPEAKER_01]: There's any number of things we can look at with this offense that it's just prostrating when you see it.
13:55 --> 13:57 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, it's just should be so much better.
13:58 --> 13:59 [SPEAKER_01]: They've invested now so much.
14:00 --> 14:07 [SPEAKER_01]: into making this lineup one of the best that they've ever had in their history and the runs aren't being produced.
14:08 --> 14:15 [SPEAKER_01]: That home series they had, that home stand they had after the trade deadline, looks more and more just like a morage.
14:16 --> 14:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And it shouldn't be a morage because I truly had somewhere in my heart believe that is what the Mariners should be like.
14:22 --> 14:25 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's the only time they've really shown it consistently.
14:26 --> 14:29 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what it almost reminds me of to use a football analogy?
14:30 --> 14:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Reminds me of Jamal Adams, week one, his first ever starting to see Hawkins come up against the Falcons, where he absolutely went off.
14:38 --> 14:47 [SPEAKER_02]: He was everywhere, he was in the backfield, he was making tackles for loss, and people are like, oh my God, trading two first round picks for Jamal Adams might not have been enough.
14:47 --> 14:49 [SPEAKER_02]: We might have just made it out like bandits.
14:50 --> 14:52 [SPEAKER_02]: And then the rest of his seahawks career came nothing close to that.
14:53 --> 14:57 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what the Mariners first home stretch post deadline now feels like.
14:58 --> 15:08 [SPEAKER_02]: It feels like this is what they can be and everything we just traded for was worth it and then some and they made it out like bandits and since then it hasn't looked like that at all.
15:10 --> 15:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Just
15:12 --> 15:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have an answer for it.
15:14 --> 15:18 [SPEAKER_01]: If people are coming here, looking for an answer on some of this, I don't have one for you.
15:19 --> 15:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll be frank.
15:19 --> 15:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm looking at the camera right now and telling you, I don't know.
15:23 --> 15:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Because I don't think we can quantify it.
15:25 --> 15:26 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if anybody can quantify it.
15:29 --> 15:43 [SPEAKER_02]: It shouldn't, I mean, again, if you are looking for logic, the Mariners should hit much better away from Timo will park considering it is the worst pitchers park in baseball, or at least one of on a regular basis, compared to on the road where they go to much more hitter friendly parks.
15:44 --> 15:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Right now they're not doing that.
15:46 --> 15:47 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't have an answer for why.
15:48 --> 15:53 [SPEAKER_02]: I hope it turns around in Tampa because Tampa is a ballpark that should really fit to the Mariners' offensive skill set.
15:54 --> 15:58 [SPEAKER_02]: That is a park that suppresses Devils because it is very small with no alleyways.
15:58 --> 16:06 [SPEAKER_02]: And as a result, they have the least amount of Devils hit across Major League Baseball in that ballpark at George Diamond and Field.
16:06 --> 16:09 [SPEAKER_02]: They also have the third most home runs hit in that ballpark.
16:09 --> 16:15 [SPEAKER_02]: So they don't hit a lot of doubles, but they leave the ballpark in terms of players that play inside that stadium.
16:15 --> 16:16 [SPEAKER_02]: The Mariners hit home runs.
16:17 --> 16:17 [SPEAKER_02]: They don't hit a lot of doubles.
16:18 --> 16:21 [SPEAKER_02]: I would hope they take advantage of that offensively this week.
16:21 --> 16:26 [SPEAKER_01]: But then you go on the other side and I say that sounds like a disaster scenario for Mariners Pictures.
16:26 --> 16:40 [SPEAKER_02]: it is a disaster scenario for mariners pitchers which is what makes you want to rip your hair out because then you're going to get yourself into potential slug vest when you say find the offense is now showing up and the offense came to play that's when starters start to give up six runs in an outing
16:41 --> 16:46 [SPEAKER_01]: At least the Mariners have Brian Woo going on Tuesday because it's Castillo and money.
16:46 --> 16:47 [SPEAKER_01]: It's Monday and Kirby on Wednesday.
16:48 --> 16:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just not all that confident with them pitching on the road at all.
16:53 --> 16:56 [SPEAKER_01]: You just swept the race like you shown you're better than the race pretty clearly.
16:57 --> 17:02 [SPEAKER_01]: But man, going on the road and playing the race, giving how this team is played, and especially just pitching staff.
17:03 --> 17:12 [SPEAKER_01]: and a more run-friendly environment and the weather's warm and I just have a feeling it's like a four-home run series for junior cam in arrow.
17:13 --> 17:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll read the stat that we dug up earlier.
17:16 --> 17:22 [SPEAKER_02]: The Mariners since May, twenty second, have a five, fourteen ERA on the road.
17:23 --> 17:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Since May, twenty second, that's more than three months.
17:26 --> 17:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Five, fourteen ERA on the road.
17:28 --> 17:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Again, this is the stuff that drives people crazy.
17:32 --> 17:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Because that is too long a sample for a pitching staff that's supposed to be one of the best in baseball to be doing that.
17:39 --> 17:50 [SPEAKER_01]: what i'm trying to wrap my head around right now is like how does the front office feel about this i'd be curious because you feel like you build the right pitching staff and outside of parts of the bullpen law i would say
17:51 --> 17:57 [SPEAKER_01]: The pitching staff is one of the things they're most proud of and most confident in that it would succeed.
17:57 --> 18:09 [SPEAKER_01]: So when you sit here and you see the results on the field, on the road, you're ripping your hair out thinking you did everything right to build this pitching staff and it's still not producing.
18:09 --> 18:11 [SPEAKER_01]: How would you try and think about that?
18:13 --> 18:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you have to look in the mirror and say are all these guys team mobile merchants aside from Ryan Wu?
18:18 --> 18:19 [SPEAKER_02]: We've talked about that.
18:21 --> 18:22 [SPEAKER_01]: off of one season.
18:22 --> 18:25 [SPEAKER_01]: No, but it happened last year a bit too.
18:25 --> 18:28 [SPEAKER_01]: A little bit not with Logan Gilbert.
18:29 --> 18:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you write worse on the road, but he wasn't he wasn't bad on the road.
18:33 --> 18:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Logan for the most part was fine on the road last year.
18:35 --> 18:46 [SPEAKER_02]: So yes, if you're looking at Logan Gilbert and Brian will those two are the two that you probably feel not probably those are the two you feel the best about although Logan we're going to have to get into some conversation about in a minute here because.
18:47 --> 18:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Come October.
18:49 --> 18:51 [SPEAKER_02]: in terms of how to strategize using Logan Gilbert.
18:52 --> 19:01 [SPEAKER_02]: There's some real weeds to get into here about how they're going to have to deploy them because there are some concerning things about this year specifically that they may have to work around.
19:01 --> 19:18 [SPEAKER_02]: But I'd say the two big ones in this rotation are Castillo and Kirby because you've seen it too many times that they've just struggled away from Team Mobile Park, often, and there hasn't been a lot of improvement in it in an overall sense.
19:19 --> 19:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Now Bryce Miller to be fair, overall stats on the road last year, not good, but as we talked about during that second half stretch, really absolutely dealt, during the second half on the road, he was very good.
19:30 --> 19:33 [SPEAKER_02]: So there's positives and negatives here to this rotation.
19:33 --> 19:44 [SPEAKER_02]: There's glass half empty and glass half full to look out with a lot of these guys, but right now in the year of twenty twenty five, as you like to talk about, it needs to be about this year, about this season, winning this season.
19:45 --> 19:49 [SPEAKER_02]: And in this season, you have one pitcher who can pitch away from Timo will park.
19:49 --> 19:50 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's not enough.
20:03 --> 20:18 [SPEAKER_01]: like we saw what peak Luis Castillo stuff was his first season and a half in Seattle when he was still throwing consistently in the mid to upper nineties and his breaking stuff was a little bit sharper and he could get the strikeouts I think of his his
20:19 --> 20:26 [SPEAKER_01]: only like full, I would say great season in Seattle on twenty twenty three where he was coming off of twenty twenty two where he was really good.
20:26 --> 20:28 [SPEAKER_01]: He made the playoff start where he started a hundred.
20:29 --> 20:35 [SPEAKER_01]: All that was great and he comes in to twenty twenty three puts together a was it was a top ten-side young finish it was good.
20:38 --> 21:06 [SPEAKER_01]: fifth top five I'm going so top five inside young voting use really good that year and on the road in twenty twenty three get a three six two we are a I wouldn't say that's a team of merchant it was three three zero nine home three six two on the road difference but that was pretty much ballpark difference and not oh I just can't pitch on the road you know what Luis is other issue as and this is lingered for a couple years to he still gets crushed by left handed bats
21:07 --> 21:09 [SPEAKER_01]: That has not changed because of the change up.
21:10 --> 21:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
21:10 --> 21:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Change up goes.
21:11 --> 21:12 [SPEAKER_01]: That's his weapon against lefties.
21:13 --> 21:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't have feel for the pitch.
21:14 --> 21:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't have the same bite it used to.
21:16 --> 21:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't play office fastball as well.
21:18 --> 21:19 [SPEAKER_01]: And he gets hurt.
21:19 --> 21:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And at least in those twenty two and twenty three seasons, Lyle, his fastball was so dominant because he threw it so hard and it came from such a unique angle that righty's or lefties, he could control counts by using his fastball.
21:34 --> 21:39 [SPEAKER_01]: but if he doesn't have the dominant fastball anymore, which he clearly does not, he's not throwing it as hard.
21:39 --> 21:41 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not as firm, it's not as effective, it doesn't have as much ride.
21:43 --> 21:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Then he's gonna get hurt.
21:46 --> 22:01 [SPEAKER_02]: I know we're down in the dumps a little bit as a fan base considering how they just played on the road again, but if we're talking big picture here and we're thinking about a playoff series, these guys gonna have to roll with three starters and then just piggyback.
22:02 --> 22:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Because can you re-starters in a bullpen game probably?
22:07 --> 22:08 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what you mean by piggybacks.
22:09 --> 22:10 [SPEAKER_01]: That's essentially what it will be.
22:10 --> 22:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Or if they're in the wildcard series, obviously it's three starters and then a divisional series.
22:18 --> 22:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe one other guy starts one game with a really short leash between Castillo and Bryce Miller.
22:23 --> 22:29 [SPEAKER_02]: But what I'm basically getting at here is, do we as a fan base, trust Luis Castillo to pitch an opposed season game at this point?
22:29 --> 22:30 [SPEAKER_02]: I think my answer leans toward no.
22:32 --> 22:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you have, well, I was gonna say to you have any other choice.
22:35 --> 22:38 [SPEAKER_01]: The choice would be a three-man rotation in the postseason.
22:39 --> 22:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Or if Bryce would say with a very short leash you could, that could you get four innings?
22:47 --> 22:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe.
22:48 --> 22:52 [SPEAKER_01]: four innings were four innings at home or he knows he can empty the tank.
22:54 --> 23:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, maybe or or if Bryce Miller puts together a few more good starts before the end of the year, then he jumps himself back into the real consideration because lost in all this and all of the concerns we had after watching those three games this weekend.
23:08 --> 23:15 [SPEAKER_02]: The one thing you can take away is these three starts that they had overall actually were good and Bryce Miller started aside from
23:16 --> 23:44 [SPEAKER_01]: really one mistake pitch to shneeman spun his best outing in the year he went six and two and he looks a lot more like Bryce Miller and he did that on the road and you met the other two as well I thought I mean Kirby gave up a run late but overall I thought he was good and then outside of Logan Gilbert six thing on Saturday I thought he looked fantastic I just have a the six thing really bugged me on Saturday two out walk and gives up the home run
23:47 --> 23:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Grinded my gears a little bit to men's or no.
23:49 --> 23:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
23:49 --> 23:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Got him twice.
23:52 --> 23:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but yeah, I love seeing that from Bryce.
23:54 --> 23:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I do want to talk a little bit more about Logan in this sort of idea you had and sort of playoff structure.
23:59 --> 24:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And I will say speaking of playoff structure.
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24:11 --> 24:17 [SPEAKER_01]: As you said, you gained games on Kansas City, Cleveland, and Houston today.
24:18 --> 24:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's not lose that.
24:19 --> 24:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Throughout all this negativity we're spewing at you right now on the playing on the road.
24:22 --> 24:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Winning today was very big.
24:25 --> 24:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't let the importance of that slip.
24:28 --> 24:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Winning today very much help the Mariners.
24:30 --> 24:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's why you got to win just win a few of these series.
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24:40 --> 24:44 [SPEAKER_01]: And if they're going to continue playing this way on the road, how it's going to impact how they need to play at home.
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25:56 --> 25:57 [SPEAKER_01]: This Logan stat we're talking about.
25:59 --> 26:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Logan Gilbert, we've we've floated this out there before about him struggling third time through the order.
26:07 --> 26:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't realize how bad it had gotten until I went and I looked today.
26:12 --> 26:27 [SPEAKER_01]: After he had gotten third time through the order against the Guardians, and he's facing Kalman's article for the third time, and Man's article gets him for the two run home run after he walked it after he walked J-Ram in front of him, six thinning on Saturday.
26:29 --> 26:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Listen to these stats, Lyle, third time through the order for Logan Gilbert.
26:34 --> 26:35 [SPEAKER_01]: He's got an era of ten and a half.
26:36 --> 26:39 [SPEAKER_01]: He is allowing an OPS over a thousand.
26:40 --> 26:43 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's got a one point seven six whip.
26:44 --> 26:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Third time through.
26:46 --> 26:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Really bad.
26:50 --> 26:51 [SPEAKER_02]: How do I even respond to that?
26:52 --> 26:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Is there anything else to say other than that is
26:56 --> 27:03 [SPEAKER_02]: really, really, really brutal to look at when you look at what you need from your ace and what you need out of your ace in length.
27:03 --> 27:07 [SPEAKER_02]: And when he tries to face in order the third time, he's getting absolutely demolished.
27:08 --> 27:09 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how much else there is to say.
27:10 --> 27:11 [SPEAKER_02]: The numbers are what they are.
27:11 --> 27:15 [SPEAKER_02]: Do the Mariners need to think about shortening his outings?
27:17 --> 27:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Come play off time.
27:18 --> 27:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
27:19 --> 27:21 [SPEAKER_02]: And honestly, the final month of the year,
27:23 --> 27:48 [SPEAKER_02]: well you get yourself into hot water because then you have to turn it over to innings of the bullpen that make me as nervous as just about anything because for as shaky at times as brash and moonios of looked as of late you know those are the guys are going to be going to no matter what when the game gets close late in the ball game to try and win you the games as frustrated as people might be with their lack of efficiency although sunday i will say those two look very sharp
27:49 --> 27:50 [SPEAKER_02]: That's who you're gonna go with.
27:51 --> 27:52 [SPEAKER_02]: And everybody knows that.
27:52 --> 27:57 [SPEAKER_02]: You just have to hope those two are gonna have some more clean innings moving forward at a more consistent basis.
27:58 --> 28:05 [SPEAKER_02]: But those innings between Logan and the leverage guys are on any day, a starter in the leverage guys.
28:06 --> 28:11 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll tell you what, there's not another scenario that makes me more nervous when they have to start going to.
28:12 --> 28:14 [SPEAKER_02]: You name it out in that ball pen.
28:15 --> 28:17 [SPEAKER_02]: And if you shorten Logan starts,
28:18 --> 28:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Then you have to go to other guys in that bullpen that are going to probably make you sweat out bullets watching those innings.
28:25 --> 28:32 [SPEAKER_02]: But the other side of that is then you're throwing it out a guy that's essentially saying I'm going to give up a thousand OPS to lefties in the next nine hitters.
28:35 --> 28:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, not to lefties.
28:36 --> 28:39 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to give up a thousand in the next nine hitters to in general.
28:41 --> 28:43 [SPEAKER_01]: might be a loose loose scenario at this point.
28:43 --> 28:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And let's Logan finds whatever he had last year, third time through the order, and does that, which technically is possible, but it's not something he's shown this season.
28:56 --> 29:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Here's five and dive makes me very, it's a nerve wracking strategy.
29:01 --> 29:07 [SPEAKER_01]: One because I think Logan is better than those guys out in the bullpen that would be pitching the sixth and seventh inning otherwise.
29:09 --> 29:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Here's where I stand on this at this point.
29:12 --> 29:16 [SPEAKER_02]: The rest of the year, play it out how you want to let it play out.
29:17 --> 29:26 [SPEAKER_02]: If this doesn't change, come play off time significantly, this is why I'm throwing out the idea of a three-man rotation because you're going to have to piggyback Logan and Kirby
29:27 --> 29:32 [SPEAKER_02]: if these numbers stay what they are, because George Kirby's in the same boat here as Logan.
29:32 --> 29:36 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not quite as bad, but it's a slight step down.
29:36 --> 29:43 [SPEAKER_02]: George Kirby third time through the order is allowing a nine fifty OPS to compare to Logan's OPS over a thousand.
29:44 --> 29:51 [SPEAKER_02]: In other words, assuming Logan Gilbert and George Kirby are going to be starting playoff games for you, if they're going to five and dive,
29:52 --> 30:04 [SPEAKER_02]: then maybe you need to go to Luis Castillo after Logan pitches and maybe you need to go to Bryce Miller after Castillo pitch or after Kirby pitches for two to three innings each because you don't want to cover those innings in the bullpen.
30:05 --> 30:09 [SPEAKER_02]: You need to get to your leverage guys and those guys are getting demolished the third time through the order.
30:10 --> 30:16 [SPEAKER_02]: So come play off time when strategy changes and it looks a lot different oftentimes than managers will manage in the regular season.
30:17 --> 30:26 [SPEAKER_02]: That needs to absolutely, two hundred percent be on the table in terms of a blueprint that the Mariners would use, come play off time because the numbers are what they are.
30:27 --> 30:31 [SPEAKER_02]: It is September and you have two guys who are getting destroyed the third time through the order.
30:32 --> 30:35 [SPEAKER_02]: And if you play with fire, come the postseason with that.
30:36 --> 30:36 [SPEAKER_02]: It can burn you.
30:39 --> 30:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure there's definitive on that at this point.
30:42 --> 30:46 [SPEAKER_02]: It's one thing to let it roll the rest of the year and let those guys try to give you length.
30:47 --> 30:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Composes in time.
30:48 --> 30:52 [SPEAKER_02]: When guys are already on shorter leashes, that's what I say.
30:52 --> 30:59 [SPEAKER_02]: And I notice some people listening, especially if you're more of the old school mindset, you're going to sit here and say that sounds like a Kevin Cash thought.
30:59 --> 31:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Even if Logan and Kirby were at five shutout innings two times through the order.
31:04 --> 31:05 [SPEAKER_02]: That might sound like Kevin Cash to you.
31:06 --> 31:07 [SPEAKER_02]: I say this.
31:07 --> 31:08 [SPEAKER_02]: The numbers are what they are.
31:09 --> 31:14 [SPEAKER_02]: You are playing with serious fire letting those guys pitch a third time through the order at this point because it hasn't gone well.
31:15 --> 31:21 [SPEAKER_02]: I would turn it over to Castillo and Miller to give you a couple of things and then let the back end bullpen guys finish it in the playoffs.
31:22 --> 31:28 [SPEAKER_01]: or you give Emerson Hancock a chance to see what kind of bullpen stuff he has, but they haven't given him a chance yet.
31:28 --> 31:29 [SPEAKER_01]: He is not thrown.
31:30 --> 31:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, and that idea is fine, but you're stretching him out all of a sudden as if he's just going to pitch one inning at a time.
31:35 --> 31:37 [SPEAKER_02]: They're not ramping him up to pitch and bulk.
31:37 --> 31:38 [SPEAKER_02]: He's supposed to throw one in.
31:38 --> 31:39 [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't need to pitch bulk.
31:39 --> 31:42 [SPEAKER_01]: He needs to get to six outs.
31:42 --> 31:46 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't even know if they're stretching him out in a way where they think he's going to go two innings.
31:46 --> 31:48 [SPEAKER_02]: It feels like a one-inning guy.
31:48 --> 31:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Emerson Hancock and what they're building him up to do the final month feels like a normal bullpen arm.
31:54 --> 31:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it weird?
31:54 --> 31:55 [SPEAKER_01]: He hasn't thrown.
31:55 --> 31:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like it's a little weird.
31:56 --> 31:59 [SPEAKER_01]: There was not a situation this weekend to throw him.
32:00 --> 32:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I really hope they get him in in this Tampa series because I'd say part of his development is getting to throw against big leagueers out of the bullpen with with amped up stuff, which he has not gotten to do yet.
32:12 --> 32:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Could they have done it in that Wednesday finale at home against the Padres?
32:19 --> 32:20 [SPEAKER_01]: No, that game was close.
32:21 --> 32:22 [SPEAKER_02]: So I guess there hasn't really been a chance yet.
32:23 --> 32:24 [SPEAKER_01]: There hasn't been.
32:24 --> 32:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I would like him to feel comfortable with them throwing him at least in some leverage situation.
32:31 --> 32:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Some sort of, it can be minor leverage, but just something that they feel comfortable, more comfortable than, you know, throwing sore and loud, whose spot he took.
32:42 --> 32:42 [SPEAKER_01]: in.
32:43 --> 32:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Or Vargas or others or Vargas.
32:45 --> 32:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, did you like it that would not have to see Vargas all weekend?
32:49 --> 32:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that was nice.
32:50 --> 32:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
32:52 --> 32:53 [SPEAKER_01]: That was nice.
32:54 --> 33:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, okay, but in terms of the starters in the playoffs, yeah, in the regular season, as I've said on here, I mean, I'd rather them just keep pitching like I just think if these guys are your best players and they stink like what are you going to do?
33:10 --> 33:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, either they're your best players and if they're not, then you're probably not as good as you think.
33:15 --> 33:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Again, the final month of the year, that's fine.
33:18 --> 33:19 [SPEAKER_02]: They need to pull the plug on that.
33:20 --> 33:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Come October because it gets to be all hands on deck.
33:22 --> 33:32 [SPEAKER_02]: It needs to be all hands on deck and you are taking a giant gamble by letting those guys not only throw a third time through the order in October, but against a playoff lineup.
33:34 --> 33:41 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't strange about all this, the guy who stuff has, as we've talked about deteriorated the most in Louis Castillo, it's not really had a problem third time through.
33:42 --> 33:43 [SPEAKER_01]: It's been pretty even.
33:45 --> 33:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's just had an okay season overall, slightly above average.
33:51 --> 33:55 [SPEAKER_02]: And I guess he's just been slightly above average each time through the order.
33:56 --> 33:57 [SPEAKER_02]: It hasn't deteriorated at any point.
33:58 --> 34:02 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just pretty consistent on a similar level each time through.
34:02 --> 34:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Where Logan, for example, Logan, nobody can touch him the first time through the order.
34:06 --> 34:09 [SPEAKER_02]: He's still fairly dominant second time through the order.
34:09 --> 34:12 [SPEAKER_02]: And then all of a sudden, you get to the third time through it when it falls off a cliff.
34:14 --> 34:19 [SPEAKER_01]: This rotation is one of the most puzzling things I think have ever experienced watching a baseball team.
34:20 --> 34:21 [SPEAKER_01]: why they're performing like this.
34:23 --> 34:38 [SPEAKER_01]: So there's some big discussions to be had coming forward when it's when they need to decide how they're going to effectively get through teams and some big games down the stretch or some big games in the postseason depending on if they get there or not.
34:39 --> 34:41 [SPEAKER_01]: But I thought that was a very glaring stat from this weekend.
34:43 --> 34:47 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's glaring because we saw it unravel again in real time.
34:47 --> 34:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Like you mentioned with Manzardo against Logan Gilbert, probably being the most front facing one on Saturday, walks a guy with two outs and gives up a bomb, third time through the order.
34:57 --> 34:58 [SPEAKER_01]: And that was a difference in the game.
34:58 --> 35:04 [SPEAKER_01]: The complete difference in the game because what happened right after is the Mariners store back to make it a one run game.
35:05 --> 35:08 [SPEAKER_01]: They could have been head three to two instead of behind four to three.
35:08 --> 35:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but because of that add-on run that the guardians put on,
35:13 --> 35:14 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why they were down.
35:15 --> 35:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Again, this is probably going to sound like Kevin Cash to some people and how he managed in twenty twenty or how he manages in general.
35:22 --> 35:28 [SPEAKER_02]: But guys, what gets talked about a lot with the Kevin Cash decision making is what happened with Blake's now in the world series.
35:28 --> 35:29 [SPEAKER_02]: I get it.
35:30 --> 35:40 [SPEAKER_02]: They also got to the world series and went to six games with him managing like that because they went by the numbers and know what their guys do well and what they don't.
35:41 --> 35:42 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.
35:42 --> 35:43 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm pretty firm on this.
35:44 --> 35:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Let your starters do what you want to do the rest of the year in terms of length.
35:48 --> 35:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Come October.
35:49 --> 35:51 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't care if they've gone five shut out.
35:53 --> 35:54 [SPEAKER_02]: You got to find other options.
35:56 --> 36:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you want to hear these numbers I dug up for how the murders have been playing on the road and what happens if they keep playing like this?
36:06 --> 36:08 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't, but you're going to read it anyway.
36:09 --> 36:16 [SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners have not won a road series since the All Starbreak, since they sweat the Tigers, they have not won a road series.
36:17 --> 36:21 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was thinking, all right, so they lost a road series over the weekend.
36:21 --> 36:23 [SPEAKER_01]: They lost two or three to the Guardians.
36:23 --> 36:25 [SPEAKER_01]: They have four road series left in the season.
36:26 --> 36:28 [SPEAKER_01]: What happens if they lose all of those series?
36:29 --> 36:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's say the Mariners lose two of three and all four of their remaining road series.
36:35 --> 36:38 [SPEAKER_01]: That's twelve games you'd go for in eight in those road series.
36:39 --> 36:42 [SPEAKER_01]: That would leave you at that point a record of seventy seven and seventy two.
36:43 --> 36:45 [SPEAKER_01]: You have thirteen home games left.
36:46 --> 36:55 [SPEAKER_01]: You would have to win all thirteen of those home games to win ninety games and ninety games is the mark that you and I've said is a guaranteed playoff spot.
36:56 --> 36:58 [SPEAKER_01]: So in a simpler way to put it.
36:59 --> 37:05 [SPEAKER_01]: If the Mariners keep playing the way they're playing right now on the road, they would have to be perfect at home.
37:07 --> 37:09 [SPEAKER_01]: to guarantee themselves a playoff spot.
37:09 --> 37:14 [SPEAKER_01]: That makes me really nervous because it's hard for any team to be perfect anywhere over thirteen games.
37:15 --> 37:25 [SPEAKER_01]: So you're telling me that they would have to win all thirteen home games to guarantee themselves a playoff spot if they're going to keep playing this way on the road in which they've given us zero indication.
37:26 --> 37:37 [SPEAKER_01]: that they're gonna play better on the road, whether it be pitching, whether it be hitting, whether it be base running, God, they got picked off multiple times this week and it drove me insane.
37:37 --> 37:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that was the other part of this weekend.
37:39 --> 37:43 [SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't just that they didn't win those games and they blew it on Friday.
37:43 --> 37:45 [SPEAKER_02]: There were mental mistakes that drove me crazy.
37:46 --> 37:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Nolan Jones has one of the best arms and major league baseball.
37:49 --> 37:52 [SPEAKER_02]: I know Randy's aggressive, but when you're down and you need base runners,
37:53 --> 37:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Or it's, I guess they weren't down at that point.
37:55 --> 38:00 [SPEAKER_02]: When the game's close and you need more base runners, don't try to be a hero and take third base.
38:01 --> 38:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Don't make the first or third out at third base.
38:03 --> 38:04 [SPEAKER_02]: And that happened.
38:07 --> 38:08 [SPEAKER_01]: And then Cal getting picked off at second today.
38:09 --> 38:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
38:10 --> 38:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
38:11 --> 38:11 [SPEAKER_01]: It was not great.
38:12 --> 38:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to rely on the Mariners winning all thirteen games at home to make the playoffs.
38:17 --> 38:21 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a risk I'm not willing to take, especially when you have to play the Dodgers at home.
38:21 --> 38:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm guessing the Dodgers will win a game in that series.
38:24 --> 38:26 [SPEAKER_01]: If not, too, at the end of the season.
38:26 --> 38:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm hoping that series doesn't matter at all.
38:28 --> 38:29 [SPEAKER_01]: If not, three.
38:29 --> 38:30 [SPEAKER_01]: What?
38:30 --> 38:31 [SPEAKER_01]: If not, three.
38:32 --> 38:35 [SPEAKER_01]: If the Mariners go for an eight, they're not clenching against the Rockies.
38:35 --> 38:38 [SPEAKER_01]: They're going to need that last series against the Dodgers to make the playoffs.
38:39 --> 38:40 [SPEAKER_01]: The way everyone's playing right now.
38:41 --> 38:43 [SPEAKER_01]: You can't let that happen.
38:43 --> 38:46 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why it's so important that you win a series.
38:47 --> 38:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Think of you win a series at this point.
38:49 --> 38:50 [SPEAKER_01]: If you just win one series,
38:51 --> 38:55 [SPEAKER_01]: That four and eight record turns into five and seven.
38:56 --> 39:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Then you can win, then you need to win one less game at home, or if you go five hundred on the road that's six and six, it works out a little bit better.
39:07 --> 39:09 [SPEAKER_01]: to you guaranteeing yourself a playoff spot.
39:10 --> 39:15 [SPEAKER_01]: If you just go five hundred and given some of the teams they're playing on the road, like these are important series.
39:16 --> 39:27 [SPEAKER_01]: If you lose series to both the Royals and the Astros, that's gonna hurt your chances of being in the wild card and winning the division on top of just the straight wins and losses of all of it.
39:27 --> 39:29 [SPEAKER_01]: So there's a lot of cascading effects here.
39:31 --> 39:34 [SPEAKER_02]: We talk about this road trip already being hard to watch.
39:35 --> 39:38 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't even think it holds a candle or what that final road trip is going to be like.
39:38 --> 39:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Those final six games on the road, I think might actually drive me off the cliff.
39:45 --> 39:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I ain't three and three would be great on that trip, but I don't think we're going to be that lucky.
39:49 --> 39:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, but you better not lose all three of those to the royals.
39:55 --> 39:57 [SPEAKER_01]: There's going to be a problem if that's the case.
39:58 --> 40:00 [SPEAKER_01]: There's going to be a big problem.
40:01 --> 40:05 [SPEAKER_02]: And Kansas City has been a house of horrors for that team.
40:05 --> 40:13 [SPEAKER_02]: By the way, just a little friendly reminder about KC, the easy one to think back to is in twenty twenty two when they blew that massive lead.
40:14 --> 40:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, last year had they not blown a seven nothing lead in Kansas City.
40:17 --> 40:18 [SPEAKER_02]: They are in the playoffs.
40:21 --> 40:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I have a hard time right now trusting a team on the road that since May, twenty second is three, nine and two in series.
40:27 --> 40:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Hard time.
40:30 --> 40:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I will take a surprise.
40:31 --> 40:37 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just, but it has been unsurprising to see them struggle on the road amid very, very frustrating.
40:38 --> 40:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't, I don't know if it's just one player that needs to step up or the whole team needs to start playing better on the road, but something's got to change.
40:46 --> 40:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Even with all the good starting pitching they got this weekend, it still didn't matter.
40:51 --> 40:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I think you need more bats to pick it up.
40:55 --> 40:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Gino decides Julio.
40:56 --> 41:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like I know Gino's been hot as of late, but for the year, at least before he came over to Seattle, he was hitting unbelievably well at Chase Field, hitterspark.
41:06 --> 41:09 [SPEAKER_02]: He wasn't hitting all that great and non-chase field locations.
41:10 --> 41:13 [SPEAKER_02]: So that feels like a guy that could probably do a little bit more on the road too.
41:13 --> 41:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
41:16 --> 41:24 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll see man, they got six more road games on this road trip, and then they have another six game road trip the week after that ends.
41:26 --> 41:32 [SPEAKER_01]: It is time to take a deep breath and clench yourself for what's going to be on the road.
41:32 --> 41:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And we'll be here all sunshine and roses to break it all down with the most positive road baseball podcast of all time.
41:40 --> 41:42 [SPEAKER_02]: You want to put that on a quote card?
41:43 --> 41:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
41:43 --> 41:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that can be on the court card.
41:45 --> 41:46 [SPEAKER_02]: That'll be the lead one.
41:47 --> 41:50 [SPEAKER_02]: We're the most positive road baseball podcast of all time.
41:50 --> 41:50 [SPEAKER_02]: What a banger.
41:51 --> 41:54 [SPEAKER_01]: reminder, they cannot lose the rest of their road series.
41:54 --> 41:56 [SPEAKER_01]: They cannot do that.
41:56 --> 41:59 [SPEAKER_01]: If they leave you that, they're probably not making the playoffs.
42:00 --> 42:03 [SPEAKER_02]: If they do that, they have to go thirteen and I would home to get to ninety games.
42:03 --> 42:14 [SPEAKER_02]: And if you want to get to eighty seven games, which would be right around the barometer to probably clinch the last wild card spot, not a guarantee, but right around it, then you still need to go ten and three at home.
42:15 --> 42:18 [SPEAKER_02]: And that would include probably having to win some games against the Dodgers.
42:18 --> 42:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Because if you can't win a game against the Dodgers, that means you need to go ten and out against the Angels, the Cardinals, and the Rockies.
42:26 --> 42:27 [SPEAKER_02]: The Rockies you should beat all three times.
42:28 --> 42:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Who are all bad teams, but as the Mariners have shown, it doesn't always matter.
42:33 --> 42:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Again, even when there's pictures that haven't pitched all that great for a majority of the year,
42:39 --> 42:40 [SPEAKER_02]: They can show up on any given day.
42:40 --> 42:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Sunny Gray could show up and look like peak Sunny Gray for six innings.
42:44 --> 42:47 [SPEAKER_02]: You could have, you name it.
42:47 --> 42:51 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, like you could have an angel starter.
42:51 --> 42:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Look really good for a start.
42:53 --> 42:56 [SPEAKER_02]: You could end up seeing on this road trip Spencer Strider.
42:56 --> 42:58 [SPEAKER_02]: That's a great example who struggled for a lot of this year.
42:59 --> 43:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Just look like Spencer Strider for six innings.
43:02 --> 43:04 [SPEAKER_02]: I think you can't take any of this for granted.
43:04 --> 43:04 [SPEAKER_02]: You're right.
43:04 --> 43:11 [SPEAKER_02]: You'll face bad teams or teams that have underperformed, but it doesn't mean they're just gonna, you know, not come to the park to play that day.
43:12 --> 43:13 [SPEAKER_02]: You might get a really good day out of those guys.
43:13 --> 43:20 [SPEAKER_02]: And if you don't take advantage of enough of these games on the road, you put yourself in a really, really tough position at home.
43:20 --> 43:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
43:21 --> 43:22 [SPEAKER_01]: No pressure, guys.
43:23 --> 43:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Pitchwell and Tampa keep the ball down.
43:25 --> 43:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Lots of sinkers and intentionally walked you and your cam in arrow.
43:31 --> 43:37 [SPEAKER_02]: The race actually have a few good hitters though, it's Junior Camino, it's Yondi, it's Brandon Lau, and it's Randa.
43:38 --> 43:40 [SPEAKER_01]: He's the one most likely to play into the strengths of the ballpark.
43:41 --> 43:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Give him a chance, almost forty homeruns.
43:44 --> 43:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Dude, we watched Junior Camino take BP a couple of weeks ago, dude launches baseballs.
43:51 --> 43:59 [SPEAKER_02]: Easy power which you guys already know because the guy's having an unbelievable year and did great in the home run Derby and has nearly forty homers but his batting practices are nuts.
44:00 --> 44:01 [SPEAKER_02]: It's it's pretty crazy.
44:02 --> 44:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna be honest.
44:03 --> 44:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah Keep it out of strikes out against him, please.
44:07 --> 44:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Please and thank you.
44:08 --> 44:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, everyone else though throw strikes no more walks.
44:11 --> 44:11 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah
44:12 --> 44:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Alright, that just about wraps up this edition of the Marine Lair podcast.
44:17 --> 44:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Here we go.
44:18 --> 44:20 [SPEAKER_02]: September, it's crunch time.
44:21 --> 44:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's all buckle up.
44:23 --> 44:23 [SPEAKER_02]: I certainly will.
44:23 --> 44:24 [SPEAKER_02]: TJ certainly will.
44:24 --> 44:25 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm guessing a lot of you guys will too.
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