Lyle and TJ react to Monday's win vs the Cardinals, and Josh Naylor's vote of confidence in T-Mobile Park (2:30). They then wrap up the Mariners 2025 minor league season, highlighting key storylines and players to watch heading into 2026 (14:24).
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01:13 --> 01:36 [SPEAKER_00]: another day it lives on it lives on can it live on the rest of the season can we manifest it through the one game that this podcast will not cover we think it will do it great look look a lot better do you want to sit here and take in graduation for the mariner's on four straight wins in the etsy witch era
01:37 --> 01:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Congratulations, Mariners, you've done it.
01:40 --> 01:42 [SPEAKER_01]: You've done it for a row, for a row.
01:43 --> 01:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, have one on the Astros tonight, too.
01:45 --> 01:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep, you know, for some guy with all respect in the world to him that I've absolutely never heard of on the Rangers, like you would think, Lyle.
01:53 --> 01:56 [SPEAKER_01]: that the Rangers and Brewers match up tonight.
01:56 --> 02:05 [SPEAKER_01]: You're like, all right, all the Mariners need to do is win a baseball game here at home against the Cardinals and you'll gain a game on the Rangers as well.
02:05 --> 02:14 [SPEAKER_01]: And you're one and a half game lead that's actually two and a half will go to three and a half games by the Brewers taking care of business.
02:14 --> 02:21 [SPEAKER_01]: But instead some guy with all respect to him, I've never heard of had five RBI's and a grand slam today for the
02:24 --> 02:26 [SPEAKER_00]: You're not even going to give the guy's name.
02:26 --> 02:26 [SPEAKER_00]: You're that pest.
02:26 --> 02:27 [SPEAKER_00]: You're not even going to give his name.
02:27 --> 02:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll help him.
02:28 --> 02:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I keep forgetting his first name.
02:30 --> 02:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, it's it's it's respectfully a creative player name.
02:35 --> 02:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Michael Hellman 29 years old.
02:39 --> 02:44 [SPEAKER_00]: He was drafted in the 11th round in 2018 by the twins.
02:45 --> 02:48 [SPEAKER_00]: And he has played in 30 career major league games.
02:50 --> 02:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Creative player.
02:52 --> 02:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I've never heard of him, but he had the night of his life tonight and kept the Rangers within a game and half of the Mariners.
02:58 --> 03:00 [SPEAKER_01]: So, shout out to him, credit to him.
03:00 --> 03:02 [SPEAKER_01]: But again,ers don't get to gain a game on them.
03:03 --> 03:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, it's really a two and a half game lead.
03:05 --> 03:05 [SPEAKER_00]: That is the nice thing.
03:06 --> 03:09 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners having that tiebreaker over the Rangers is so key.
03:10 --> 03:14 [SPEAKER_00]: that by a one-and-a-half game lead, it's not really one-and-a-half, it's two-and-a-half.
03:15 --> 03:27 [SPEAKER_00]: This is why the royals continuing to lose is so important, which they did here on Monday, because that's the one team you do not have a tiebreaker over, and we talked about this on Monday's podcast.
03:28 --> 03:34 [SPEAKER_00]: That tiebreaker hasn't been decided yet because those two teams still have three more games to play against each other, and you guys all know that'll be happening next week.
03:35 --> 03:41 [SPEAKER_00]: But that's why the Royal Losing, I think, is the most important of the teams remaining that can still lose.
03:42 --> 03:50 [SPEAKER_01]: If the Mariners gain, let's say they gain another game on the Royals this homestead, and their four games up on the Royals heading into Kansas City next week.
03:51 --> 03:52 [SPEAKER_01]: You only need to win one.
03:54 --> 03:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah?
03:56 --> 03:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Be great if you want more because then there are three games out with three series left.
03:59 --> 04:07 [SPEAKER_01]: It would be great obviously you want to win the series, but in terms of what you need to do, if you're four games up you need to win one game.
04:07 --> 04:09 [SPEAKER_01]: But imagine if you want to.
04:09 --> 04:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, then you knock them out.
04:11 --> 04:18 [SPEAKER_01]: But this is the Mariners we're talking about, who had a chance to, essentially eliminate the guardians and eliminate the rays on this last road trip.
04:18 --> 04:22 [SPEAKER_01]: And instead, welcome them into the playoff race with open arms.
04:23 --> 04:24 [SPEAKER_01]: So might not be that simple.
04:25 --> 04:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I almost forgot.
04:26 --> 04:35 [SPEAKER_00]: By the Monday home win and Josh Nailer just rocketing a key double and Brian Wuth spin in another six innings and the bullpen locking it down, I almost forgot their teach.
04:36 --> 04:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Almost forgot for a second.
04:40 --> 04:40 [SPEAKER_01]: sorry dog.
04:42 --> 04:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey to let you down there.
04:43 --> 04:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I almost forgot that it is two different baseball teams home and road.
04:47 --> 04:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I have one take away from tonight's game and it's not going to be Julio running through a dumb stop sign or Brian who returning home and absolutely shoving against the Cardinals or that the Cardinals allow.
04:57 --> 04:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to give a shout out to the Cardinals.
04:59 --> 05:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Great group of dudes.
05:01 --> 05:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Very nice.
05:01 --> 05:05 [SPEAKER_01]: We're talking them today for our Bolpen banner channel here on Monday.
05:06 --> 05:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Some really nice guys.
05:07 --> 05:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Lars Nupor.
05:08 --> 05:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Nice dude out, Burlson.
05:09 --> 05:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Was very nice.
05:11 --> 05:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Sunny Gray was nice and our brief interaction with them.
05:13 --> 05:14 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a good group.
05:14 --> 05:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we're going to speed them here on Monday.
05:16 --> 05:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
05:17 --> 05:20 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we're going to get a few a few more of them on the mic on Tuesday.
05:20 --> 05:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously we're sitting here recording this before we've done any more of that.
05:24 --> 05:25 [SPEAKER_00]: But yes, you're right.
05:25 --> 05:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Really nice group of
05:27 --> 05:31 [SPEAKER_00]: players, large new part with the man by the way, could not have been nicer.
05:32 --> 05:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Meanwhile, yeah, I was just thinking about it.
05:34 --> 05:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, just like every interaction we had, good dude, by the way, another Nolan Gorman, I forgot to shout out.
05:40 --> 05:41 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, Nolan Gorman, also very nice.
05:43 --> 05:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Pedro Pahez, the catcher, one of the Cardinals catchers.
05:46 --> 05:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I've talked about some of my old Cape Codley connections and both of us spent two summers out there when we were in college.
05:52 --> 05:59 [SPEAKER_00]: But Pahez was another guy that was on the team that I broadcast the games for as an intern over those two summers.
06:00 --> 06:02 [SPEAKER_00]: And here on Monday was the first time in seven years, I'd seen him.
06:02 --> 06:02 [SPEAKER_00]: But...
06:03 --> 06:08 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I was a little surprised you remember me, but shout out to him and he was just as nice as he was all those years ago.
06:08 --> 06:14 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, shout out to Cardinals really awesome group of dudes, but the Mariners needed to take care of business and that's the most important thing they did.
06:15 --> 06:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And honestly, they should sweep the Cardinals because the Cardinals looking up and down that roster.
06:21 --> 06:33 [SPEAKER_01]: how it matches up to the Mariners and where the Mariners play and now that they won, they're now 17 and 6 at home since the All Star Break, which is a remarkably good record to offset how overwhelmingly awful they are on the road.
06:33 --> 06:43 [SPEAKER_01]: The only way you can survive being that bad on the road is to be 17 at 6 at home since the All Star Break, but my one take away while from this whole game.
06:44 --> 06:54 [SPEAKER_01]: was the fact that Josh Nailer, who continues, to just be amazing, doesn't matter if he's hitting or not, he always finds a way to wow me.
06:54 --> 07:01 [SPEAKER_01]: He goes on the record today after the game and says, and I quote, I think it's easy to hit at Team Mobile Park.
07:05 --> 07:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I know who Teyosker Hernandez's next hitting coach needs to be.
07:09 --> 07:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I was going to say, can somebody out there make a really good graphic of Josh Nailer photo shopped head onto somebody's body, dunking on Tey Oscar Hernandez, can somebody do that?
07:19 --> 07:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Make a photo of, it can be whatever cut out photo you want for LeBron versus the Celtics.
07:25 --> 07:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, ideally it's a basketball meme, and it's a basketball photo that you photo shop, but just take Josh Nailer's head, he's LeBron, and he's absolutely dunking it over whoever his, whatever feeble opponent stands it as way in this case, Tey Oscar Hernandez.
07:42 --> 07:46 [SPEAKER_00]: We need a photo shop of that, of Josh Nailer just dunking on Tey Oscar with the quote on there.
07:47 --> 07:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Shout out to him, man.
07:48 --> 07:50 [SPEAKER_01]: He had that huge hit in the game tonight.
07:51 --> 07:51 [SPEAKER_01]: That was great.
07:51 --> 07:52 [SPEAKER_01]: That was my one take away.
07:53 --> 07:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise, it's a standard Mariners went here on Monday.
07:56 --> 07:57 [SPEAKER_01]: It's exactly what they needed.
07:58 --> 07:59 [SPEAKER_01]: They got the pitching they needed.
07:59 --> 08:01 [SPEAKER_01]: The bullpen was really good.
08:01 --> 08:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Brash was nasty.
08:03 --> 08:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Munoz was nasty.
08:04 --> 08:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone was a little fired up.
08:05 --> 08:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Had a little bit of edge on them.
08:07 --> 08:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And the team showed out and they, despite falling behind to nothing, they come out and they put some runners on base.
08:13 --> 08:15 [SPEAKER_01]: and they drive me like that's what they're supposed to do.
08:16 --> 08:20 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what the magic Etsy wish is supposed to do for you.
08:21 --> 08:24 [SPEAKER_01]: It's supposed to just give you this kind of energy that you're supposed to need.
08:24 --> 08:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And that no matter what happens, you know, someone has your back.
08:27 --> 08:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
08:28 --> 08:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Great.
08:29 --> 08:30 [SPEAKER_00]: We love to say it.
08:31 --> 08:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Clearly the only thing the witch didn't work on was Julio's base running.
08:34 --> 08:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that was it.
08:35 --> 08:36 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what?
08:37 --> 08:42 [SPEAKER_00]: The witch also worked in the sense of what Julio did in the two games in Atlanta, so sorry, that's fair.
08:42 --> 08:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not here to trash Julio.
08:44 --> 08:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I did run through a stop sign.
08:46 --> 08:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying that was a good base running decision, but Julio as a whole has been so good in the second half and so good as of late.
08:54 --> 08:57 [SPEAKER_00]: the fact that they won and it didn't end up making a difference in the game.
08:57 --> 09:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we can live with one base running blender.
09:00 --> 09:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I know he's had his share of base running blunders over the course of his career and over the course of this season, but I'm just not going to harp on it tonight because they won the game and it didn't end up playing a factor.
09:11 --> 09:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
09:11 --> 09:16 [SPEAKER_00]: On our way, do we need to mention the two back of Houston?
09:17 --> 09:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Two back of Houston?
09:20 --> 09:25 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like we said about the road trip, how it shockingly worked out, okay, when it came to the division.
09:27 --> 09:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, as bad as the road trip was, they lost one singular game on that road trip to the Astros.
09:33 --> 09:41 [SPEAKER_01]: And now that the Astros have had a day off here today, they didn't, the mariner's were able to make up games in those final two games against the Braves.
09:42 --> 09:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Now you look at two back and you get three games against them.
09:48 --> 09:51 [SPEAKER_00]: and I'll get people's hopes up even a little bit more.
09:51 --> 10:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I know it's a little far away to be looking three series ahead already to that road series against the Astros, but my buddy John already did and he sent a couple of us a text earlier.
10:06 --> 10:07 [SPEAKER_00]: and he mapped out what it's gonna look like.
10:08 --> 10:14 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners are gonna throw the same three starters in that Astro series as they're throwing in this Cardinal series.
10:15 --> 10:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Woo, Kirby, Gilbert, in that order.
10:19 --> 10:23 [SPEAKER_00]: lines up pretty well for the Mariners in terms of who you'd want on the mound.
10:24 --> 10:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And then on top of that, in less the Astro's reshuffle, they are slated to miss Hunter Brown.
10:31 --> 10:32 [SPEAKER_01]: That's positive.
10:32 --> 10:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I will say they did not come around
10:36 --> 10:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd still rather not face them and not face them in Houston.
10:39 --> 10:39 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
10:40 --> 10:40 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
10:42 --> 10:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I like to see that.
10:43 --> 10:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh Kirby's last start on the road was not very good, but we'll look past it.
10:47 --> 10:48 [SPEAKER_01]: It is shaping up.
10:50 --> 10:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not gonna say favorable yet because there's still two games back and there's a long way to go for that point.
10:55 --> 10:55 [SPEAKER_01]: But.
10:57 --> 11:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Especially with all these home games the Mariners get to play and to think if the Mariners can snag That tiebreaker against the Astros.
11:06 --> 11:07 [SPEAKER_01]: That's gonna go a long way.
11:07 --> 11:11 [SPEAKER_01]: If the Astros end up getting the tiebreaker, I believe the winner of the series gets the tiebreaker am I right?
11:13 --> 11:13 [SPEAKER_00]: That sounds right.
11:14 --> 11:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Let me just say while you're looking this up.
11:16 --> 11:20 [SPEAKER_00]: There is no scenario where it things line up in the Mariners favor for that series.
11:20 --> 11:26 [SPEAKER_00]: It is going to be a really tough series, but if you want to put your best foot forward, that's pretty close to doing that.
11:26 --> 11:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Could you argue that Bryce Miller given his last two road starts could be more favored in terms of winning percentage to be out there over Kirby?
11:36 --> 11:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess I think the Mariners are in perfectly good shape to roll out woo Kirby and Gilbert in that series.
11:41 --> 11:43 [SPEAKER_00]: That's about as good as you can get.
11:44 --> 11:46 [SPEAKER_01]: The season series right now is tied 5-5.
11:46 --> 11:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it is pretty safe to say.
11:49 --> 11:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Barring a collapse.
11:51 --> 11:53 [SPEAKER_01]: The winner of that series is winning the division.
11:54 --> 11:56 [SPEAKER_01]: That tie breaker is gonna mean a lot.
11:57 --> 12:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Especially if the Mariners want to win the division, you don't want to have to gain that extra game.
12:03 --> 12:09 [SPEAKER_01]: We've seen what happens when you don't have a tie breaker like the last two seasons, really fucks you over.
12:10 --> 12:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it does.
12:12 --> 12:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Who do they, because if the Mariners win that Astro series, not only would they have the tiebreaker and not only would they likely be up in the division at that point, but then you immediately come back home to play the Rockies.
12:25 --> 12:34 [SPEAKER_00]: So you've got a chance to seriously take advantage and Barry, not well, not Barry, but really separate yourselves in the final week.
12:35 --> 12:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, the unfortunate thing is the Astro is going to play the A's during that same stretch at the Mariners play the Rockies.
12:41 --> 12:42 [SPEAKER_01]: And then they get to finish with the angels.
12:43 --> 12:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
12:44 --> 12:47 [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know if it's as simple as whoever wins that series or win the division.
12:48 --> 12:53 [SPEAKER_00]: But if the Mariners win that series, they're going to be in pretty good shape considering they get to come home and play the Rockies.
12:53 --> 12:54 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
12:54 --> 12:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I do think the Mariners if they want to win the division need the tie breaker.
12:58 --> 13:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I would be kind of surprised if the Mariners win the division and don't win that tie breaker.
13:03 --> 13:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
13:03 --> 13:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Because that's two more losses that means you lose a game that
13:08 --> 13:19 [SPEAKER_01]: So think about with the tiebreaker sense, if you winning the series, instead of netting you one game, nets you two games, and if you sweep the series, it nets you four games instead of three because of that tiebreaker.
13:19 --> 13:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's just be clear today.
13:20 --> 13:23 [SPEAKER_00]: If the Mariners lose that series and Houston, they're not winning the division.
13:23 --> 13:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Division over if they lose that series.
13:25 --> 13:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Correct.
13:27 --> 13:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think the Astros, well, they not might not be out of it, but their lead does shrink in that case.
13:33 --> 13:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and give puts them at a significant disadvantage to the Mariners, but the Mariners do have a tougher final week.
13:39 --> 13:51 [SPEAKER_01]: So we'll see In summary, when that series, if you want to win the division, I think I think the only option and then you don't have to go back there a week and a half later Do it before it starts to go to Seattle
13:52 --> 13:52 [SPEAKER_01]: you do.
13:53 --> 13:58 [SPEAKER_01]: It is going to shake up though most likely if the monitors are making the playoffs, they are going to play the Astros in the first round.
13:58 --> 14:00 [SPEAKER_01]: That seems almost certain at this point.
14:01 --> 14:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Unless the at, unless somehow, I don't think it's, it's still mathematically possible, but it's not happening.
14:07 --> 14:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Someone's got to catch the blue jays or the tigers, right, for the Yankees or the Red Sox or whoever jumps in front of that division.
14:14 --> 14:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so if you want those games at home, you got to be, you need to go into Houston and you need to win.
14:19 --> 14:21 [SPEAKER_01]: But that's the next week problem, while
14:21 --> 14:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think the mayor does understand that too for how the tiebreakers go.
14:25 --> 14:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Why don't we jump into our minor league rap?
14:28 --> 14:32 [SPEAKER_01]: We have not talked about the minor leagueers or a whole lot the last few weeks because there's been.
14:32 --> 14:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Trade deadline, there's been lots of winning.
14:35 --> 14:37 [SPEAKER_01]: There's been lots of losing.
14:37 --> 14:39 [SPEAKER_01]: There's not been many spots to talk about them.
14:39 --> 14:40 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think this is a good point.
14:41 --> 14:51 [SPEAKER_01]: As the season is winding down now, to go through the Mariners minor league system and highlight some of the key guys in the system, what they did this season and what we're expecting for them going forward.
14:55 --> 14:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Storylines at this point in the year are getting a little repetitive you guys.
14:58 --> 15:05 [SPEAKER_00]: There's there's only so much we can talk about over and over and over and over and you guys all know the story by now They're in the third wildcarts bot.
15:05 --> 15:05 [SPEAKER_00]: They can't blow it.
15:06 --> 15:07 [SPEAKER_00]: They're also still chasing Houston.
15:07 --> 15:15 [SPEAKER_00]: They got to hold the playoff spot Like we all know we're gonna continue to talk about it, but it can't be
15:16 --> 15:18 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, storylines are getting a little repetitive.
15:18 --> 15:26 [SPEAKER_00]: So as a result, let's also mix in some minor league talk with guys that deserve some praise because the Mariners minor league system again had an awesome season.
15:27 --> 15:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's start at the top.
15:29 --> 15:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Cole Emerson.
15:31 --> 15:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Cole Emerson's story is the tale of, I think, two parts.
15:35 --> 15:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Part number one, pre-swing change.
15:38 --> 15:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Colt was not hitting quite as well in Everett.
15:43 --> 15:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I think he was, he was underperforming to his standards, but he introduces a toe tap on six, 13, on June 13.
15:52 --> 15:57 [SPEAKER_01]: And from that point forward, to finish the seat, to the point he is at right now, slashes 07, 4095, 122, the 921, OPS, a 155WRC+, and he looks like,
16:05 --> 16:07 [SPEAKER_01]: a top five prospect in baseball.
16:08 --> 16:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to see what this looks like for Colt as he has a toe tap any stays healthy for a full calendar year.
16:14 --> 16:27 [SPEAKER_01]: We haven't got that because it's been so many injuries for Colt, so many nagging things, the bats been good, but now I think since he introduced this, the bat has transformed closer to great,
16:28 --> 16:47 [SPEAKER_01]: and once he steps foot in Arkansas next year where he's hitting fine in Arkansas right now he's above average but it's definitely down for it wasn't it is above average one thirty ones well about average i'm talking about when he steps in the average next year and potentially looks like Arkansas
16:48 --> 16:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sorry, he steps into Arkansas next year and takes that Julio Arkansas step.
16:53 --> 16:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Could we see that next year?
16:54 --> 17:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Where Julio walks into Arkansas and he puts up a WRC plus of not 130, 180 in Arkansas.
17:02 --> 17:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Does Colt have that in the tank next year?
17:05 --> 17:14 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'm curious about as he goes in, because right now offense, defense, the mindset, the makeup, I mean, it is all there.
17:31 --> 17:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's not just let that fall by the wayside.
17:34 --> 17:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Colt Emerson over the last two and a half months has been without question, one of the most dominant prospects in minor league baseball.
17:43 --> 17:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's that simple.
17:44 --> 17:44 [SPEAKER_00]: He is state healthy.
17:45 --> 17:48 [SPEAKER_00]: His defense has looked awesome and he is absolutely mashing.
17:48 --> 17:58 [SPEAKER_00]: To your point about, you wanna see him fully healthy with the toe tap for a full year, I think barring something on foreseen that is what we're gonna see in 2026 and by the way,
18:00 --> 18:05 [SPEAKER_00]: You know where that road ends at the tail end of that year where you wanna see the totap, the entire time?
18:06 --> 18:06 [SPEAKER_00]: In Seattle.
18:08 --> 18:09 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm totally okay with that.
18:10 --> 18:11 [SPEAKER_00]: That's gonna be pretty exciting.
18:13 --> 18:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I really think he's going to come out and he's going to crush next to your face healthy.
18:16 --> 18:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't see a way how he's not going to.
18:19 --> 18:27 [SPEAKER_01]: He's even jumping up to the new level at Arkansas right now, the numbers are down overall in Arkansas.
18:27 --> 18:38 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a 780 OPS, but a 780 OPS in Arkansas is totally fine for him, just getting into Arkansas this year and just getting promoted in a place that's incredibly hard to hit.
18:39 --> 18:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a plus.
18:40 --> 18:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I talked about it the last time we talked about Colt Emerson too.
18:43 --> 18:49 [SPEAKER_01]: The steps he's made on defense has raised his floor so much more.
18:49 --> 18:51 [SPEAKER_01]: We're even if Colt Emerson.
18:51 --> 18:58 [SPEAKER_01]: When he gets up to the big league level and even say he does this first first two years or first three years is somewhere from like a 780 to an 800 OPS short stop.
19:02 --> 19:10 [SPEAKER_01]: But then he plays the defense he's currently playing, and that right there is a top 5 top 7 short stop and baseball already.
19:11 --> 19:17 [SPEAKER_00]: If he's going to be in 800 OPS shortstop with really good defense, he's going to be an all star quick.
19:17 --> 19:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
19:18 --> 19:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Very quick.
19:19 --> 19:37 [SPEAKER_01]: That is an all star shortstop, which is why his defense taking a step this year and step forward this year is that much more important, but we also, we know that we know there's more in that that as he has an off season, a train and get ready to play at Arkansas from the get-co and not get promoted midseason.
19:38 --> 19:38 [SPEAKER_01]: It's really cool.
19:41 --> 19:42 [SPEAKER_01]: is the slug.
19:42 --> 19:45 [SPEAKER_01]: The slugs good, especially since the toe tap is slugging over 500.
19:45 --> 19:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I did poke around and look at some other Mariners past prospects, but how much they slugged in the miners versus how much they're slugging into the majors.
19:56 --> 20:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think cult once he gets to the big league level is going to be some monster powerheader.
20:02 --> 20:07 [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be a collective tools guy and all around good.
20:12 --> 20:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, let's say this.
20:13 --> 20:16 [SPEAKER_01]: If he's going to be a super story, probably needs to select more, right?
20:16 --> 20:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Like a super star.
20:20 --> 20:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
20:21 --> 20:22 [SPEAKER_00]: That's probably fair.
20:23 --> 20:26 [SPEAKER_00]: You're you're quantifying that as hitting 30 home runs a year.
20:28 --> 20:37 [SPEAKER_00]: 25, maybe at the floor or floor, maybe 25 is the area 25, but also 25, but also add 25 to 30 doubles and he's walking a lot.
20:37 --> 20:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Think about the comparison, think about this comparison here.
20:42 --> 20:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Cole Young in Tacoma, a much better hitting environment, was slugging, was he slugging, he's slugging around 470 and Tacoma for he got called up.
20:53 --> 20:55 [SPEAKER_01]: That's full season, not just his hot streak.
20:56 --> 20:59 [SPEAKER_01]: And Cole Young this year at the big league level, slugging 319.
20:59 --> 21:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Like there's a drop off.
21:02 --> 21:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Of course, there's always time to develop.
21:05 --> 21:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Here's a good example of this.
21:08 --> 21:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you know Francisco Lendor, his high slugging percentage in the minors?
21:13 --> 21:17 [SPEAKER_01]: He was the top 10 prospect, I think, top 5, and all of baseball when he got called up.
21:18 --> 21:20 [SPEAKER_01]: His high slugging mark in the minors was 4-10.
21:24 --> 21:34 [SPEAKER_01]: High school shorts up, toolsy, good defense, that was the mark, but Lendor has slowed over 500 a couple times at the Big League level, so that's the show you can still develop at the Big League level.
21:34 --> 21:41 [SPEAKER_01]: That's not saying that Colt needs to prove everything before he comes up, but I'm just saying it's something to look out for in his profile.
21:42 --> 21:48 [SPEAKER_01]: It's probably the one thing left in his toolbox that he lacks is that top end power.
21:50 --> 21:51 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's not that he doesn't have power because he does.
21:52 --> 21:55 [SPEAKER_00]: He just doesn't have Cory Seeger level power.
21:55 --> 21:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
21:58 --> 21:59 [SPEAKER_00]: And he could develop into that.
22:00 --> 22:01 [SPEAKER_00]: He just doesn't have it yet.
22:01 --> 22:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I know loosely that comp was thrown around for him when he was drafted, if it all clicks.
22:07 --> 22:10 [SPEAKER_00]: And Cory Seeger's got real power.
22:10 --> 22:13 [SPEAKER_00]: He's also bigger than Colta's, Cory Seeger, to be fair.
22:14 --> 22:17 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, if you're talking about Colta Emerson
22:21 --> 22:32 [SPEAKER_00]: 17 to 20 home run hitting shortstop with really good defense to a 25 to 30 home run hitting shortstop with really good defense Yeah, that's the next step a little more slow But again, we're nitpicking here man.
22:32 --> 22:38 [SPEAKER_00]: He has been so good the last two and a half months The jumpies made the fact he stayed healthy and by the way
22:39 --> 22:55 [SPEAKER_00]: his platoon splits are very even there are not more there are not many more refreshing science to see the prospect then when they have even platoon splits offensively because that means you don't have to worry about plugging and playing them when they get to the big leagues no in cold Emerson gets to the show
22:56 --> 22:57 [SPEAKER_00]: He's just gonna play every day.
22:58 --> 23:01 [SPEAKER_00]: There is not lefty righty issues with him, which is great.
23:01 --> 23:09 [SPEAKER_00]: If you want the exact numbers for the year, Colt Emerson against lefthanded pitching is OPSing 811, and against right-handed pitching, he is OPSing 833.
23:10 --> 23:12 [SPEAKER_01]: That's pretty good.
23:12 --> 23:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the Mariners have to be very happy with what they saw from him this year.
23:16 --> 23:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Very happy.
23:17 --> 23:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Talk about a slam dunk of a draft pick.
23:20 --> 23:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Geez, the fact he fell as far as he did.
23:23 --> 23:25 [SPEAKER_01]: and it is just all worked out.
23:26 --> 23:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's great.
23:28 --> 23:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, about another, what seems like slam dunk of a draft pick, now it'll be Ryan Sloan.
23:33 --> 23:37 [SPEAKER_01]: So Sloan just got shut down actually, well, it was announced today.
23:37 --> 23:41 [SPEAKER_01]: He's having a procedure on his eye that was going to keep him out for the rest of the season.
23:41 --> 23:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think B, B specific, today being Monday.
23:45 --> 23:46 [SPEAKER_01]: This is coming today being Monday, sorry.
23:47 --> 23:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Monday, as of Monday, he is out for the rest of the season.
23:51 --> 24:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Finishes the season of 373 ERA strikeout rate over 27% a walk rate under 5% and a ground ball rate at 50% as a 19 year old ends the season and average gets up near 100 innings this year in his first full season of professional ball.
24:09 --> 24:23 [SPEAKER_01]: What a job the organization did keeping him healthy all year and managing to put him in a spot where he can be as successful as he can be this year talking about working out like coal Emerson might have been best case scenario this year.
24:23 --> 24:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we could see the same thing with Ryan Sloan.
24:28 --> 24:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Look, he was a first rounder.
24:30 --> 24:31 [SPEAKER_00]: He was a first round talent.
24:31 --> 24:32 [SPEAKER_00]: He got first round money.
24:33 --> 24:34 [SPEAKER_00]: He just fell to the second round.
24:34 --> 24:40 [SPEAKER_00]: The mariners, again, they got super creative with their draft last year, pound-st on it, and man did that work.
24:40 --> 24:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Because Sloan, dude, his fit for the year in Modesto, two nine.
24:46 --> 24:56 [SPEAKER_00]: You're talking about a kid who's 19 years old, just getting his feet wet in professional baseball, two nine, fit in Modesto, where he essentially spent his entire year.
24:59 --> 25:02 [SPEAKER_00]: So to do what he did, that was the best mark in the entire league.
25:03 --> 25:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, in all the California league He led all pitchers and theft all qualified pitchers with minimum 60 innings pitched.
25:11 --> 25:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Do I have that right?
25:12 --> 25:13 [SPEAKER_00]: 60 innings.
25:13 --> 25:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah Was 60 innings.
25:15 --> 25:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so you're talking about a 19 year old that fills up the zone has big time stuff Already throws heat with the fastball very repeatable delivery stays healthy
25:26 --> 25:30 [SPEAKER_00]: you cannot ask much more for from Ryan Sloan and what he did in year one.
25:30 --> 25:35 [SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, this procedure he had on his eye to quote unquote end his season.
25:36 --> 25:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Everett's about to start their playoffs, he would have made maximum one more start.
25:40 --> 25:42 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not really ending his season.
25:42 --> 25:43 [SPEAKER_00]: He's just not going to make his final start.
25:44 --> 25:47 [SPEAKER_00]: I think, and it's and it's a two to three week recovery.
25:47 --> 25:50 [SPEAKER_01]: It's it's not end and non-basable injury.
25:50 --> 25:52 [SPEAKER_01]: He had this is something he had dealt with for a while.
25:54 --> 26:02 [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm very happy with what we saw from Sloan this year, just to think like the combination of strikeouts, walks and ground balls in a high school arm.
26:03 --> 26:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm thinking back to some of the other high school arms, the manners of draft to which, by the way, not a lot of them.
26:09 --> 26:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Ryan Sloan has had the most successful season of all of them, probably from a total rate perspective in his first year.
26:19 --> 26:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
26:20 --> 26:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Ashton is he had a pretty good era his first full season, but the strikeouts, walks and ground balls were not the same.
26:26 --> 26:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And he was not as highly touted as a prospect as his own is.
26:30 --> 26:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Sloan, you have expectations for him.
26:33 --> 26:37 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think he, he's going to have the hype trim move in next year.
26:39 --> 26:41 [SPEAKER_00]: How high can he get next year?
26:41 --> 26:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Could we see him in double away by the end of the year?
26:43 --> 26:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like the answer is yes.
26:45 --> 26:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, I think so.
26:46 --> 26:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I think he'll fall the same timeline roughly as he did this year given that he gets stretched out a little bit.
26:53 --> 27:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I want us next year is going to be the year he's going to start pitching into the sixth inning he didn't pitch past the fifth inning at all this year on his innings limit finish finishing with 82 innings.
27:04 --> 27:07 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's going to be six thinning.
27:07 --> 27:09 [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be pitching into the six thinning.
27:09 --> 27:11 [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be getting up to probably 120 innings.
27:12 --> 27:13 [SPEAKER_01]: What's that right arm?
27:13 --> 27:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd like to see.
27:15 --> 27:16 [SPEAKER_01]: And then it's going to be yeah, getting up to Arkansas.
27:17 --> 27:19 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's going to pitch well in Arkansas.
27:19 --> 27:20 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's stadium.
27:20 --> 27:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Cater's very well to pitchers.
27:22 --> 27:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And his IRA's going to be very low and perhaps a strikeout where it's going to be even higher up at that level.
27:27 --> 27:32 [SPEAKER_01]: And to think he could do all of that at 20 as long as he stays healthy, I think is a really good thing.
27:32 --> 27:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if he'll quite get stretched out to 120 innings.
27:35 --> 27:36 [SPEAKER_00]: That feels slightly aggressive.
27:36 --> 27:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like you'll see more between 100 and 105 next year.
27:40 --> 27:40 [SPEAKER_00]: He's still only 20.
27:41 --> 27:46 [SPEAKER_00]: What a Logan Gilbert throne is rookie year in the big leagues despite being a college arm.
27:46 --> 27:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I think he was on about 130 innings limited.
27:51 --> 27:52 [SPEAKER_01]: He also took the previous year off.
27:53 --> 27:56 [SPEAKER_00]: He did, but he threw 120 innings out here.
27:56 --> 28:02 [SPEAKER_00]: You're right, the year off makes a difference, but with Sloan, I would, I'd be a little surprised if they jumped them all the way from 80 to 120.
28:03 --> 28:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I would guess you'll see between 100 and 105 and then come 2027, which at this rate, if it keeps going, we could see Ryan Sloan on the big leagues in 2027.
28:14 --> 28:16 [SPEAKER_00]: And if that's the case, maybe that year, it'd be more like 120 to 130 innings.
28:19 --> 28:33 [SPEAKER_01]: This isn't the easiest comparison, like I was looking at our friend Mikey, Morales, and he, so his draftery through one inning, then he comes out his first year in the miners in throws 120.
28:35 --> 28:38 [SPEAKER_01]: than a hundred and one, then a hundred and fifty, anings.
28:39 --> 28:40 [SPEAKER_01]: That's not a good comparison.
28:40 --> 28:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Doesn't it feel like the Mariners have changed their blueprint on that since then?
28:43 --> 28:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Because they didn't even come close to doing that with Ryan's Sloan.
28:48 --> 28:49 [SPEAKER_00]: This could be Sloan's specific.
28:51 --> 28:55 [SPEAKER_00]: It could, although, I don't think, I don't think Sloan battle danger is in high school, did he?
28:56 --> 28:59 [SPEAKER_01]: No, but he might have pitched less in high school than Morales did.
28:59 --> 29:00 [SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
29:00 --> 29:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm speculating 100% on this guy, by the way, guys.
29:02 --> 29:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Just don't, don't take this as a fact coming out of my mouth.
29:05 --> 29:08 [SPEAKER_01]: But it was clear, regardless of how they approached it.
29:08 --> 29:10 [SPEAKER_01]: It was clear they were limiting his innings on purpose this year.
29:11 --> 29:14 [SPEAKER_01]: And they're going to want to stretch him out a little bit more next year.
29:14 --> 29:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Talking about Platoon splits also with Ryan Sloan.
29:17 --> 29:20 [SPEAKER_01]: He dominated both sides, OPS under 700 against both lefties and
29:22 --> 29:25 [SPEAKER_01]: strikeouts, walks, ground balls, platoon splits.
29:26 --> 29:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Outside of a couple of rough starts at a new level man, it's the literally the full package of a picture.
29:33 --> 29:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, he's already as big as guys like Logan Gilbert.
29:36 --> 29:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Nearly.
29:37 --> 29:39 [SPEAKER_00]: You're talking about a guy who stands at 6.5.2.20.
29:42 --> 29:50 [SPEAKER_00]: That is a guy that's going to move through the system, especially with the stuff that plays, the amount of strikes he throws, you set a best man.
29:50 --> 29:54 [SPEAKER_00]: The hype train on Ryan Sloan next year is going to be moving, really moving.
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30:28 --> 30:30 [SPEAKER_00]: How about Lizar Montes-Lial?
30:31 --> 30:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let's rip through a few more of these.
30:33 --> 30:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the storyline with Lads is the same that it's been all year when we've talked about him.
30:39 --> 30:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Massive power, draws his walks, strike out rates too high.
30:44 --> 30:47 [SPEAKER_00]: is there that much more to dive into with the guy?
30:49 --> 30:53 [SPEAKER_00]: The key with Lazz is he is going to have to cut down on these strikeouts at some point.
30:54 --> 30:57 [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't have to strike out 10% of the time.
30:57 --> 30:59 [SPEAKER_00]: That's not a realistic expectation.
30:59 --> 31:02 [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't even have to strike out 20% of the time.
31:03 --> 31:12 [SPEAKER_00]: But it can't be 31, 32% because if you're striking out that much in AA, if you get up to the majors, that's where it shoots up to,
31:14 --> 31:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't even want to think about it, 40%, that's an untenable number.
31:17 --> 31:20 [SPEAKER_00]: So at some point this has to get cut down.
31:20 --> 31:27 [SPEAKER_00]: The home runs and the walks give him the potential to be a Kyle Schwabber type at, which is awesome.
31:27 --> 31:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Kyle Schwabber, you guys is having a season where he could get close to 60 home runs in his own right.
31:33 --> 31:39 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's a guy who hits a ton of homers and he walks, he doesn't play a ton of defense, but he's incredibly valuable in his own right.
31:40 --> 31:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Got to cut the strikeouts down.
31:41 --> 31:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Kyle Schwabber strikes out.
31:43 --> 31:45 [SPEAKER_00]: but you gotta cut it down if you're lies a little bit.
31:46 --> 31:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me offer one negative point and one positive point here.
31:49 --> 31:50 [SPEAKER_01]: The negative point.
31:51 --> 31:56 [SPEAKER_01]: We've talked about platoon splits, last has them, not surprising as a left-handed hitter, especially as a 20-year-old.
31:57 --> 32:00 [SPEAKER_01]: There are some better lefties at the double A level and a high A that he's facing.
32:01 --> 32:06 [SPEAKER_01]: So his OPS is under 700 against lefties and it's 946 against righties.
32:07 --> 32:08 [SPEAKER_01]: But let me say a positive one.
32:10 --> 32:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me read you two sets of numbers.
32:12 --> 32:14 [SPEAKER_01]: And you tell me what they are.
32:16 --> 32:22 [SPEAKER_01]: 120 WRC plus and 31% strikeout rate and 120 WRC plus and a 29% strikeout rate.
32:24 --> 32:28 [SPEAKER_00]: One of these is obviously gonna be lads and the other is gonna be,
32:31 --> 32:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Who are you trying to get me with here?
32:34 --> 32:34 [SPEAKER_01]: It's trick question.
32:35 --> 32:35 [SPEAKER_01]: They're both lies.
32:36 --> 32:40 [SPEAKER_01]: The first number is lies getting promoted to Arkansas this year.
32:40 --> 32:44 [SPEAKER_01]: The last number was lies getting promoted to Everett last year.
32:44 --> 32:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.
32:45 --> 32:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Arkansas this year, Everett last year.
32:47 --> 32:50 [SPEAKER_01]: First number is Arkansas, second numbers, Everett.
32:51 --> 32:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Sound pretty similar, don't they?
32:53 --> 32:57 [SPEAKER_00]: They do, but they're still a common denominator, which is the strikeouts have to come down.
32:59 --> 33:04 [SPEAKER_01]: then las showed up to ever at this year and struck out less.
33:05 --> 33:05 [SPEAKER_01]: He did.
33:08 --> 33:09 [SPEAKER_01]: He managed to cut down on the strikeouts.
33:09 --> 33:12 [SPEAKER_01]: He was able to improve that, but you are right.
33:12 --> 33:23 [SPEAKER_01]: So the number that las is currently running just to give you a just to give you an idea of the sort of drop off he has had in contact since he's jumped up the levels.
33:23 --> 33:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
33:24 --> 33:27 [SPEAKER_01]: So las dropped a strike out rate 2% this year and ever.
33:28 --> 33:30 [SPEAKER_01]: a little bit, but probably still not enough.
33:31 --> 33:38 [SPEAKER_01]: LAS when he got to Modesto when he his only stint really when he did not strike out that much.
33:38 --> 33:39 [SPEAKER_01]: He was a sub 20 strikeout rate.
33:40 --> 33:42 [SPEAKER_01]: His contact rate was 72% which is fine.
33:42 --> 33:43 [SPEAKER_01]: It's now 58% in Arkansas.
33:49 --> 34:03 [SPEAKER_01]: that number is a it's a pretty significant drop off for last who has a big strike so he's got a big swing he's trying to hit for power some strikeouts are going to come when he's going to try and walk when he's going to work some deep counts so you understand that'll be part of it.
34:04 --> 34:14 [SPEAKER_01]: But the the content he's going to have to make some more contact just in general the strike like strikeouts are the number but just swinging and making contact at pitches in the zone is very important for him.
34:15 --> 34:23 [SPEAKER_01]: especially because he doesn't play defense and he does it, yeah, because of that, because of that body profile, he's going to have to hit.
34:24 --> 34:32 [SPEAKER_00]: And Kyle Schwabber's career strikeout rate in the big leagues, just over 28%, 28.3% if you want to be exact.
34:33 --> 34:40 [SPEAKER_00]: And again, you guys, if last strikes out 28, 29% of the time in the big leagues, but is going to hit all these homers and have ridiculous power, that's fine.
34:41 --> 34:45 [SPEAKER_00]: His strikeout rate can live there if he's going to walk and he's going to absolutely mash.
34:46 --> 34:55 [SPEAKER_00]: what can't happen is it bleeds into the 37, 38% range in the big leagues because no big leagueer can sustain that and have success.
34:56 --> 35:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And if he's striking out this much in AA, the signs point to that.
35:02 --> 35:05 [SPEAKER_00]: taking a sizable jump when he gets to the big league.
35:05 --> 35:10 [SPEAKER_00]: So a very, very, very, very, very, very, very, I can't say very enough times.
35:10 --> 35:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Very big key for lads in 2026 is he has got to cut those strikeouts down.
35:16 --> 35:17 [SPEAKER_00]: He just has to.
35:17 --> 35:20 [SPEAKER_00]: If he can strike out 24, 25% of the time in Arkansas next year for half a year,
35:24 --> 35:51 [SPEAKER_01]: that bodes a little bit better over time it's still gonna have to come down more but that would show some real improved play approach to the 31 32% rate that he's been running out for a while and he's 20 years old this year he'll be 21 years old next year playing and 22 years old the year after that so if it takes a little bit to get that contact rate up that's fine he's still got plenty of runway to come up and still be a very young big leaker
35:51 --> 35:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk about another one of his double 18 mates, another hit or lieel.
35:55 --> 35:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Michael a royal.
35:55 --> 35:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I just have, for Michael a royal, he's been so consistent.
35:59 --> 36:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I literally don't even know what else I need to say about Michael a royal.
36:03 --> 36:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Besides the fact that he has a chance this year if he keeps his on base percentage over 400 to have a 400 on base percentage and each is age 17, 18, 19, and 20 seasons.
36:16 --> 36:19 [SPEAKER_01]: There's not an easy lookup tool for that for minor league stats.
36:21 --> 36:26 [SPEAKER_01]: But I imagine the group he'd be in with that, if he finishes that off was really impressive.
36:27 --> 36:29 [SPEAKER_00]: He is not even close.
36:29 --> 36:31 [SPEAKER_00]: The most slept-on prospect in this entire system.
36:31 --> 36:32 [SPEAKER_00]: And I get it.
36:33 --> 36:38 [SPEAKER_00]: He's slept-on because there are questions about where he's gonna play defensively long-term.
36:38 --> 36:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Can he stick it a position?
36:40 --> 36:42 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not the world's greatest athlete.
36:43 --> 36:47 [SPEAKER_00]: But do he just hits non-stop, it doesn't end with him.
36:48 --> 36:53 [SPEAKER_00]: And if he's gonna hit like that throughout his time in the minors, you better believe they're gonna find a spot for him at some point.
36:54 --> 36:56 [SPEAKER_00]: If you hit like that, they will find a spot for you.
36:56 --> 37:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And if Michael Aroyo hits anything close to that in the majors, they will find a spot, even if it's DH.
37:02 --> 37:12 [SPEAKER_00]: So I am just fascinated to see what a rollo does next year, where he probably gets closer to a full year in AA, because the 50 or so games he's played in AA this year have been fine.
37:12 --> 37:14 [SPEAKER_00]: It hasn't been otherworldly, as OPS is about 720.
37:15 --> 37:17 [SPEAKER_00]: This is really the first time he is
37:18 --> 37:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Struggled, not the right word, but this is really the first time he hasn't dominated a leak.
37:23 --> 37:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Which makes sense.
37:23 --> 37:29 [SPEAKER_00]: This is what happens when players, especially players, as young as Michael Arroyo, make the jump from Hi-A to Double-A.
37:29 --> 37:32 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the toughest jump in the minor leagues and it's not close.
37:33 --> 37:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Hi-A to Double-A is the toughest jump.
37:35 --> 37:43 [SPEAKER_00]: But if he comes out next year and he's opescing 840 in Arkansas, I mean, they're going to have to find a spot for this guy.
37:43 --> 37:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Unless he's traded, they're going to have to find a spot for him.
37:48 --> 37:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm sitting here and talking.
37:49 --> 38:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I want you to pull up a highlight of his because I was watching his highlights While I was getting ready for this episode, and I saw Swing and I couldn't get it out of my mind a comparison Do you have his swing up?
38:01 --> 38:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I know.
38:01 --> 38:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think you're remembered off the top of your head?
38:03 --> 38:04 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I know it's weighing you can tell me okay.
38:05 --> 38:09 [SPEAKER_00]: How we can't trick Oh, I could see that a little bit
38:10 --> 38:20 [SPEAKER_01]: shorter in fielder shorter in fielder the and then the swing itself he kind of dips over the plate how it was always really down on the ball hmm
38:21 --> 38:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't get it out of my head when I saw it.
38:23 --> 38:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I've seen this swing before.
38:25 --> 38:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
38:26 --> 38:36 [SPEAKER_01]: One of the smarter prospect people that we have on Jason Churchill, Joe Doyle, one of them, got to have to let me know whether or not that comparisons outland is your not.
38:36 --> 38:36 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
38:36 --> 38:44 [SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, you guys, how he can trick in 15 years in the big leagues had a career OPS plus of about one-ten, which is a really good career.
38:45 --> 38:46 [SPEAKER_00]: If Michael and Roya were to do that,
38:47 --> 38:53 [SPEAKER_00]: That's an awesome career for a guy who ranks as the per MLB pipeline number six prospect in the system.
38:53 --> 38:57 [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of outlets like our friends over at just baseball haven't even lower than that.
38:57 --> 39:09 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're number eight nine prospect, whichever system, whichever ranking you want to use is going to do that, I mean, take it right to the bank.
39:10 --> 39:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Here's the most intriguing prospect in the system.
39:13 --> 39:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I think for next year, Lyle.
39:15 --> 39:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Johnny Farmello, set fair.
39:18 --> 39:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, because unfortunately this was essentially a lost season for him.
39:22 --> 39:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe in some ways the fact he dealt with that side issue actually let him rehab the knee even longer and it'll let him just explode next year.
39:31 --> 39:38 [SPEAKER_00]: But yes, what Johnny's going to have to prove in 2026 is what Colt had to go prove this year in 2025.
39:39 --> 39:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Can you stay healthy for the majority of the year and can you also go out there and live up to the
39:49 --> 39:55 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not a question mark, because everybody knows that his ceiling is a project is really high, because it is.
39:55 --> 40:03 [SPEAKER_00]: When you run like him and play great defense and hit for that type of power and have the chance to be a 30 30 player, because that's who he is.
40:03 --> 40:04 [SPEAKER_00]: That's who he could be.
40:06 --> 40:10 [SPEAKER_00]: The key for him is he's going to have to go out there, stay healthy, and show some of that ceiling.
40:11 --> 40:13 [SPEAKER_01]: We talked to Johnny about this when we're up and ever it.
40:14 --> 40:18 [SPEAKER_01]: The main thing I want to see answered next year, it's not just health.
40:19 --> 40:26 [SPEAKER_01]: What, which version of Johnny Farmello is more like the one we're going to see, that's healthy?
40:26 --> 40:28 [SPEAKER_01]: We've seen two different versions of him.
40:29 --> 40:37 [SPEAKER_01]: We've seen insanely high contact, lots of doubles, lots of walks on-base stealing bases, and we've seen the slugging version of Johnny Farmello.
40:38 --> 40:43 [SPEAKER_01]: It'll be great to be both, but I'm curious, which one is closer to what he's going to be as his ideal hitter?
40:43 --> 40:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
40:45 --> 40:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's going to be more like the one he was in his first year, less I just don't think Johnny is going to be the type to sit on his back foot and just try and drive the ball over the wall.
40:56 --> 41:04 [SPEAKER_01]: He's also not going to be playing ever in ever the whole time where he can hit a ball 444 feet and hit it over the wall.
41:05 --> 41:09 [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to if he's going to do that if he ever levels he's going to actually need to drive it.
41:09 --> 41:09 [SPEAKER_01]: You mean 344 feet?
41:09 --> 41:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, 340.
41:13 --> 41:38 [SPEAKER_01]: you said 444 and that's out in any ballpark that okay that's right yeah except the Polo grounds um but in ever it the the short home runs definitely help Johnny how's he going to look in bigger ball parks i've do feel like it is more like him when it's knees healthy and he's feeling great and he's able to run around and steal bases that his twenty twenty four self is a little bit more up that alley
41:40 --> 41:41 [SPEAKER_00]: And he only played in about 20 games this year.
41:41 --> 41:47 [SPEAKER_00]: So the small sample we saw from Johnny this year where he was hitting for a little more power, but there was less contact.
41:48 --> 41:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Who's to say that's even really him?
41:50 --> 42:03 [SPEAKER_00]: And it was one, not just a certain stretch of a year, because Johnny Varmelok could have 20 games next year during a full healthy season, where he hits for more power has a little bit less contact, but then he has a different 20 game stretch, where he looks more like the Johnny in 2023.
42:03 --> 42:07 [SPEAKER_00]: And, or sorry, in 2024, I should say.
42:10 --> 42:16 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I think he's going to be closer to what he was when he was drafted, what he was in 24 before the injury.
42:16 --> 42:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Because you're right, he doesn't feel like the guy that's just going to sell out for power.
42:20 --> 42:21 [SPEAKER_00]: He's got too much else to his game.
42:21 --> 42:23 [SPEAKER_00]: He's too disciplined as a hitter.
42:23 --> 42:31 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I think you're going to see more of the 2024 version of Farmelo and not as much what you saw in 20 games this year.
42:32 --> 42:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Because not only was it a small sample, but again, he was so often on the field
42:40 --> 42:54 [SPEAKER_00]: It's, yeah, I just think this was unfortunately a lost season for Johnny, even though when he was on the field, he had some really, really high of high moments because he hit some big homers in a handful of games before he had the side issue.
42:55 --> 42:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's hard to judge what he did this year for the most part.
42:59 --> 43:00 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not saying it's bad, it's not saying it's good.
43:00 --> 43:02 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just a wash for me.
43:03 --> 43:09 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's a chance we haven't even seen what Johnny Farmello really is yet because he's only played 75 professional games.
43:11 --> 43:12 [SPEAKER_01]: That's not a lot of games.
43:12 --> 43:14 [SPEAKER_01]: No, he's got a long way to go.
43:14 --> 43:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
43:15 --> 43:19 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm hoping to see it next year, where he's healthy and he's going to go out there.
43:19 --> 43:19 [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to crush it.
43:20 --> 43:28 [SPEAKER_01]: The last name, what I think and he's storylines to talk about for next year that I wrote down is going to be Jrangelo going into next season.
43:29 --> 43:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, Jorangelau, I thought his stuff was very good this year.
43:32 --> 43:40 [SPEAKER_01]: The stuff as advertised from the right side was really good earned his promotion in AA and performed well up there.
43:41 --> 43:42 [SPEAKER_01]: He had some long outings this year.
43:42 --> 43:43 [SPEAKER_01]: He pitched seven innings.
43:45 --> 43:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Ticked a lot of boxes off.
43:47 --> 43:48 [SPEAKER_01]: The season numbers as a whole,
43:50 --> 43:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how much the prospect evaluators will look into the fact he has a fit over five in an era over four and a half.
43:57 --> 43:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Some of that came when he was a reliever.
43:58 --> 44:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Some of that came when he was pitching left-handed.
44:01 --> 44:03 [SPEAKER_01]: So you can always ask, it a little bit.
44:04 --> 44:14 [SPEAKER_01]: But I will say, there is one thing I would say we know for certain about the season is that when he throws right-handed and he pitches against right-handed batters, it's over.
44:16 --> 44:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Here's the best way to describe it, because you can look at splits as a starter and as a reliever.
44:21 --> 44:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Here's what Gerangelo Sanger did this year as a starter.
44:24 --> 44:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Through just under a hundred innings, ERA was three, six, four, opponent hit 205 against them.
44:32 --> 44:33 [SPEAKER_00]: That tells more of the story.
44:33 --> 44:39 [SPEAKER_00]: As a reliever, when they were trying that thing early in the year, where he would make an appearance a week as a lefty out of the bullpen.
44:41 --> 44:48 [SPEAKER_00]: his area is 40, that's a real number, it was 40, because he threw a very small amount of innings and it didn't go great.
44:48 --> 44:51 [SPEAKER_00]: In three different appearances, he gave up nine runs.
44:52 --> 44:53 [SPEAKER_00]: That ballooned is the R.A.
44:53 --> 44:56 [SPEAKER_00]: where you look at your Angela's numbers for the year and it's skewed.
44:56 --> 44:59 [SPEAKER_00]: The number you should be looking at is what he did as a starter.
44:59 --> 45:01 [SPEAKER_00]: And as a starter, he had a three, six, four R.A.
45:02 --> 45:03 [SPEAKER_00]: in 96 innings.
45:03 --> 45:05 [SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, struck out 107 batters.
45:06 --> 45:07 [SPEAKER_00]: That was Dr. Angela, Sanjay.
45:07 --> 45:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was pretty good.
45:09 --> 45:11 [SPEAKER_01]: the walk rate is a little high.
45:11 --> 45:16 [SPEAKER_01]: The command was not all the way there, but I do think that is something that can improve.
45:16 --> 45:17 [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't.
45:18 --> 45:26 [SPEAKER_01]: You saw the, you could definitely see the command difference between, I will acknowledge there's a level difference too, but between Sloan and Durangelo.
45:27 --> 45:28 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a command difference there.
45:28 --> 45:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's no doubt about that.
45:31 --> 45:38 [SPEAKER_00]: It will be very interesting to see when spring training hits next February, what they decide to do with
45:40 --> 45:42 [SPEAKER_00]: are they just going to shut down the left side?
45:42 --> 45:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Will they continue to let him do it?
45:45 --> 45:45 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll see.
45:45 --> 45:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Because there is no question what he can do is a right hand a picture.
45:50 --> 45:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Screams that he has a ceiling that's very, very easy to dream on.
45:54 --> 45:56 [SPEAKER_00]: But he'll never think I'd just focus.
45:56 --> 45:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Do they just focus on the right side?
45:58 --> 46:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Because they said in time this was going to work itself out.
46:01 --> 46:03 [SPEAKER_00]: They wanted to let him try throwing both ways.
46:03 --> 46:04 [SPEAKER_00]: They wanted to let him do it.
46:04 --> 46:05 [SPEAKER_00]: He wanted to do it.
46:06 --> 46:16 [SPEAKER_00]: but will the Mariners ultimately tell him to just go from the right side starting in 2026 or will Jerangelow himself just say, you know what, it was fun to try this for a year.
46:16 --> 46:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I've done it for a long time, but it is a lot of work and a lot of extra preparation to try to throw from both sides.
46:24 --> 46:29 [SPEAKER_00]: And I had so much more success with the right side, maybe it's time to just focus with one.
46:29 --> 46:32 [SPEAKER_01]: And it is a grand canyon difference of results between the two.
46:33 --> 46:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I said, right on right, OPS allowed is 490 left on left, which is supposed to be what he's going to use his left side for, so over a thousand.
46:44 --> 46:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, it could not be any starkly different.
46:49 --> 46:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I would think of Drangelo wants a chance at making the Big League's next year.
46:53 --> 46:55 [SPEAKER_01]: It would be probably the only right year.
46:55 --> 46:58 [SPEAKER_01]: He could keep his left arm in his back pocket.
46:58 --> 47:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think the Seattle Mariners at the Big League level are going to let him throw left handed in that uniform.
47:07 --> 47:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it seems unlikely.
47:09 --> 47:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Also he does in terms of like one other little nitpicky thing.
47:13 --> 47:16 [SPEAKER_01]: He didn't get left these out in general this year, even when pitching right handed.
47:17 --> 47:17 [SPEAKER_01]: It was an OPS over 900.
47:18 --> 47:21 [SPEAKER_01]: That's probably the other thing he would need to work on.
47:21 --> 47:28 [SPEAKER_01]: But in his first professional season, the three six ERA as a starter, over 100 strikeouts, dominant stuff throws a hundred.
47:28 --> 47:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Slider was great.
47:30 --> 47:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean,
47:34 --> 47:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, there is still a chance Jorangelo could really work at throwing with both sides in the offseason, continuously, and he comes into camp, and he's improved some of the lefty stuff, and he's getting more lefty out.
47:44 --> 47:45 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not impossible.
47:46 --> 48:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Just seems like we're tracking on the more likely scenario of he will be what most people expected him to be when he was drafted, which is a really good right-handed pitcher, and that is more than okay, because Jorangelo's a right-handed pitcher has the chance to be a real star in the rotation.
48:02 --> 48:08 [SPEAKER_01]: I also think of the psychological aspect of it where is like, do I want to work twice as hard to make it to the big leagues?
48:08 --> 48:09 [SPEAKER_01]: And maybe he does.
48:10 --> 48:13 [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm sure he also understands he might not have to.
48:14 --> 48:19 [SPEAKER_01]: When the big leagues is just like, it's sitting there, a big league paycheck, a big league jersey.
48:19 --> 48:25 [SPEAKER_01]: You get everything you ever want at five star hotels, chartered flights, all these things, everything you worked for.
48:26 --> 48:29 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, you only have to work half as much as you've been doing.
48:29 --> 48:30 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
48:31 --> 48:35 [SPEAKER_00]: It will be very interesting to see what storylines come out about him early in spring training next year.
48:35 --> 48:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure it's going to get asked.
48:37 --> 48:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure it's going to be talked about.
48:39 --> 48:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I will be very interested.
48:40 --> 48:40 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
48:41 --> 48:50 [SPEAKER_01]: The last prospect note I have period in the system is the fact that Luke Stevenson has a 460 on-base percentage in 22 games in Modesto.
48:51 --> 48:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I love to see that.
48:52 --> 48:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Only one home run, but he is.
48:54 --> 48:59 [SPEAKER_01]: He's sitting pretty well in his first 22 games stint and professional ball.
48:59 --> 49:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I did love to see that.
49:00 --> 49:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I wonder how many pb and j's is powering that?
49:02 --> 49:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you took it from me.
49:03 --> 49:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I was just ready to say.
49:05 --> 49:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought you were going to team me up for it perfectly.
49:07 --> 49:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to pretend that you did ignore what you said at the end and just do it anyway.
49:11 --> 49:15 [SPEAKER_00]: That's the power of devouring PB and J's.
49:15 --> 49:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't ever question the power of devouring PB and J's.
49:20 --> 49:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Shout out to Luke Stevenson.
49:21 --> 49:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Shout out to PB and J's.
49:23 --> 49:24 [SPEAKER_00]: He isn't.
49:24 --> 49:26 [SPEAKER_01]: He's walking more than he's striking out in Modesto.
49:28 --> 49:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Small sample, but yes.
49:30 --> 49:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and this isn't going to stop him, I think, from starting next year in Modesto.
49:33 --> 49:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I would think, because he's only 20 this year, I think they'll at least start him there.
49:38 --> 49:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, he's also a college bat that played in a really good conference that had a bunch of success.
49:45 --> 49:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Caves just going to start right never.
49:47 --> 49:52 [SPEAKER_00]: It's possible Steven Sundas, especially after getting 20 games under his belt in Modesto.
49:52 --> 49:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Does he need that much more?
49:56 --> 49:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I think they'll at least start him there.
49:59 --> 49:59 [SPEAKER_01]: It'll be interesting.
49:59 --> 50:02 [SPEAKER_01]: It could be like three weeks, any dominates.
50:03 --> 50:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Also, it probably depends how he plays in spring training.
50:05 --> 50:09 [SPEAKER_01]: If he dominates spring training, then never mind.
50:10 --> 50:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
50:10 --> 50:20 [SPEAKER_01]: If he does, if he does what he does here in Modesto, plays well in the postseason there, and then he comes in a spring training, any crushes against the other minor leagueers, then yeah, he'll start never it.
50:21 --> 50:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
50:22 --> 50:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess my only other note, and just quickly before we wrap it up,
50:27 --> 50:30 [SPEAKER_00]: It was a little bit of an underwhelming year for felon, Celestine.
50:31 --> 50:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I think next year is going to be pretty important for him.
50:33 --> 50:38 [SPEAKER_00]: He just didn't lift the ball a ton, didn't hit the ball out of the ball park a lot.
50:39 --> 50:51 [SPEAKER_00]: It's, look, he's so young, and he's got so much time, and obviously, if you ever watch felonine take a batting practice, it does sound different off his bat, and you know he's got all the potential there, and you know he's got the talent.
50:52 --> 50:56 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think next year and ever it's going to be pretty important for him putting it together.
50:56 --> 51:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Because again, this guy and his ceiling has the chance to be the best prospect in the whole system.
51:03 --> 51:04 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what the ceiling is.
51:04 --> 51:07 [SPEAKER_00]: There are evaluators who have said the pure talent on this guy.
51:08 --> 51:09 [SPEAKER_00]: is Julio level.
51:10 --> 51:14 [SPEAKER_00]: The pure talent is Julio level, but he's got to put it all together.
51:16 --> 51:19 [SPEAKER_01]: His stats in Everett 602 OPS.
51:22 --> 51:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Very small sample.
51:23 --> 51:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but even in a in Modesto for his bigger sample size is a 733 OPS.
51:28 --> 51:28 [SPEAKER_01]: The slug was 384.
51:28 --> 51:29 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.
51:34 --> 51:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's going to be a development I think all along.
51:37 --> 51:41 [SPEAKER_01]: The defense out imagine is going to take a step up as well.
51:42 --> 51:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he had some up and down games in the field this year.
51:44 --> 51:47 [SPEAKER_00]: There's no doubt about that earlier here.
51:47 --> 51:47 [SPEAKER_00]: He had a game where he made.
51:49 --> 51:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to say three hours in a game.
51:51 --> 51:59 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, he's, look, he's young, he's a young prospect with a lot of talent, but we know it's gonna take some time.
51:59 --> 52:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I would just love to see next year be a big year for him, and him really take a jump.
52:03 --> 52:05 [SPEAKER_01]: And development is not linear.
52:05 --> 52:09 [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of these guys we talk about in the system are roughly the same age.
52:10 --> 52:16 [SPEAKER_01]: So not everyone has the age, like the age 19 season at the plate that Michael Arroyo had last year.
52:16 --> 52:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Just doesn't happen.
52:19 --> 52:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's fun.
52:19 --> 52:23 [SPEAKER_00]: We haven't talked prospects in a while, but with their seasons coming close to ending.
52:23 --> 52:25 [SPEAKER_00]: It was good to put a bow on a lot of these guys.
52:26 --> 52:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure some of them are going to get some very well deserved awards out in Seattle at the end of the year.
52:30 --> 52:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
52:31 --> 52:32 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll see some of them, which will be great.
52:33 --> 52:33 [SPEAKER_01]: And think about this.
52:33 --> 52:37 [SPEAKER_01]: We didn't even talk about Kate Anderson because what else are we going to talk about?
52:38 --> 52:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, the man is going to have, yeah, the man needs to get out there and pitch, but that'll happen next year.
52:42 --> 52:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
52:42 --> 52:44 [SPEAKER_00]: So I can't wait.
52:44 --> 52:45 [SPEAKER_00]: This is such a fun system.
52:45 --> 52:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it was nothing but another big success for the farm system this year.
52:49 --> 52:54 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think we're only expecting much bigger things ahead come 2026 and beyond for these guys.
52:54 --> 52:55 [SPEAKER_00]: So I can't wait.
52:55 --> 52:57 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a fun to put a bow on these guys.
52:58 --> 52:58 [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be a lot of fun.
52:58 --> 52:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I answered my own question.
52:59 --> 53:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, are they going to make up an award to give Kate Anderson as like, man, probably not?
53:03 --> 53:04 [SPEAKER_01]: They didn't throw in yet.
53:04 --> 53:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't do that.
53:05 --> 53:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I was going to say, isn't throwing a single inning?
53:09 --> 53:10 [SPEAKER_00]: He had his time in Seattle this summer.
53:10 --> 53:11 [SPEAKER_00]: He got to visit.
53:11 --> 53:12 [SPEAKER_00]: He got to tour the city.
53:12 --> 53:17 [SPEAKER_01]: He did all that and got to get roasted by Mariners Twitter What a place
53:18 --> 53:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, on that note, it feels time to end the show.
53:20 --> 53:22 [SPEAKER_00]: It feels time to end the pod, doesn't it?
53:22 --> 53:26 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, I think that's just about wraps up this edition of the Marine Lair pod cast.
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