Lyle and TJ react to the Mariners winning a 5th straight game Wednesday (2:30). They then open up the mailbag and answer questions on the Mariners farm system, Colt Emerson's debut, and the Mariners rotation (15:25).
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00:00 --> 00:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to episode number 294 of the Marine Layer podcast.
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00:40 --> 01:09 [SPEAKER_00]: And we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Lair podcast part of the just baseball podcast network recording on Thursday evening September 11th and we have made it Lail now three podcasts without the Mariners losing a game post Etsy which do we think we'll make it to four on Monday I think that we can I no no that like that would require them winning 10 in a row to be a lot nine nine in a row
01:09 --> 01:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, nine and a row.
01:11 --> 01:12 [SPEAKER_01]: That would be a lot.
01:12 --> 01:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd love for it to happen.
01:13 --> 01:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll be on here absolutely fired up on Monday if they sweep the angels.
01:17 --> 01:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Nine and a row would be a lot.
01:18 --> 01:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I will say the Mariners win three or four this weekend against the angels.
01:21 --> 01:27 [SPEAKER_01]: So the Etsy which will be eight and one in that scenario which would be still awesome.
01:27 --> 01:29 [SPEAKER_01]: But not quite nine and a row.
01:29 --> 01:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe we can go ahead to the Halloween stores and buy a couple of witch caps.
01:33 --> 01:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
01:33 --> 01:35 [SPEAKER_00]: And we're on Monday's pod.
01:37 --> 01:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you have what it's going to take to win the division and make the world's series?
01:41 --> 01:41 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm all in.
01:42 --> 01:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you have a Halloween or a Halloween story near you?
01:47 --> 01:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, Google's a good tool.
01:48 --> 01:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure we could find one.
01:50 --> 01:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Nothing's ever that far away.
01:54 --> 01:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Except it wouldn't be an Etsy wedge.
01:56 --> 01:57 [SPEAKER_01]: It just be a standard wedge.
01:59 --> 02:06 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and the reason in Etsy witch is called an Etsy witch is because they list their services on Etsy, they're just witches, I know, I know.
02:07 --> 02:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, they might not wear hats, but for, you know, for the festification, we're about a month and a half away from Halloween.
02:12 --> 02:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Why don't we get the party started?
02:16 --> 02:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Shocker, I've never been a huge Halloween person, but if this is what it takes for the Mariners to win the division, yes, I will do it.
02:23 --> 02:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it will take for them to go on and win the world series, I'll do it.
02:27 --> 02:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think the Etsy witch whispered in Dan Zier in the 13th inning of Wednesday's game?
02:32 --> 02:36 [SPEAKER_00]: And was like, don't bunt Leo Reeves.
02:38 --> 02:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Dude, I don't know what magical powers influence that, but you know what?
02:41 --> 02:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Shoutout Dan Wilson.
02:42 --> 02:47 [SPEAKER_01]: He said post game, they decided they liked the chances of Leo Reeves swinging the bat better than bunning, and they let him swing.
02:48 --> 02:52 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why, as Ken Murphy would say, don't ever fucking bun.
02:54 --> 02:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's right.
02:57 --> 03:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you see that shit we watched earlier in the ball game when they're trying to drop down buns?
03:01 --> 03:01 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
03:02 --> 03:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Let Cole Young swing away.
03:03 --> 03:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Let all your players swing away.
03:04 --> 03:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't fun.
03:05 --> 03:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't fun.
03:05 --> 03:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't fun.
03:07 --> 03:24 [SPEAKER_00]: as bad as Cole was struggling at the plate his butt was worse than I think any swing he could have put on a baseball legitimately because at least a view of swing he was trying bunting his like half trying and then he pops it up and it was an utter disaster.
03:24 --> 03:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't believe they didn't have Leo Reeves spun.
03:26 --> 03:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Not because it was the right decision Lyle because they sent him to the cage, prior to him getting to the plate and told them to only butt and not swing.
03:35 --> 03:41 [SPEAKER_00]: to sit in the cage with the machine going at him for him to hold the bat out there and for the ball to clank off of it.
03:41 --> 03:53 [SPEAKER_00]: The only thing, and all of a sudden, seemingly by destiny, he steps up to the plate, he gets a swing sign, he fucking belts his second ever home run in the big leagues.
03:54 --> 04:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that sounds like maybe some supernatural powers at play.
04:01 --> 04:02 [SPEAKER_01]: to shout out Leo Rivas.
04:03 --> 04:06 [SPEAKER_01]: First off, awesome dude, but second of all, for him of all people to have that moment.
04:07 --> 04:23 [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't quite the Yankees Mariners 2022 game that they were talking about on the broadcast on Wednesday, but it had some similarities, really dragged out, low scoring, very, very much an unsung hero to win it, because that was, I'll give you and everybody a trivia.
04:23 --> 04:25 [SPEAKER_01]: You remember who won that game in 2022 for him?
04:25 --> 04:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I remember.
04:26 --> 04:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's a, it's a very similar story, Luis Terence.
04:29 --> 04:30 [SPEAKER_01]: It's Luis Terence.
04:31 --> 04:32 [SPEAKER_01]: This time it was Leo Rivas.
04:32 --> 04:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Very much an unsung hero.
04:34 --> 04:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Who gives him a big win?
04:36 --> 04:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Now the only difference, if I have it right, Terence was dea fade after that game.
04:43 --> 04:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think right.
04:44 --> 04:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Was that a different walkoff he had?
04:45 --> 04:47 [SPEAKER_00]: He had a walkoff and then he was dea fade.
04:48 --> 04:48 [SPEAKER_00]: The game after.
04:49 --> 04:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it was right after the Yankees game.
04:51 --> 04:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I could be wrong on that.
04:53 --> 04:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I remember they're being a walkoff he had that he was caught the next day.
05:00 --> 05:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I think he made it back in the roster at some point, but he, he was sent down to the minute, and might have been the year after.
05:08 --> 05:08 [SPEAKER_00]: That could be.
05:09 --> 05:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember, I remember Luis Teren's being up when he was healthy at least on the big league roster for most of the 2022 season if I have that right.
05:19 --> 05:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I think he was our most likely 21 season.
05:21 --> 05:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's see, who knows.
05:23 --> 05:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, 2022 was just a mariner, he, I don't think he, let's see, did he go down?
05:28 --> 05:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, so he ended up as a, I think it was 2023.
05:30 --> 05:33 [SPEAKER_00]: That would make more sense.
05:33 --> 05:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, it sounds more right.
05:35 --> 05:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Here's where another similarity comes into comparison, not just the unsung heroes, but where is Leo Reva spent all summer, dude?
05:45 --> 05:50 [SPEAKER_01]: They could have used this guy for months dominating the PCL dominating in the PCL.
05:50 --> 05:54 [SPEAKER_01]: We talked about he was second in WRC plus and was running out of crazy walk rain.
05:54 --> 05:55 [SPEAKER_01]: We know he's versatile.
05:56 --> 05:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what they were waiting for all this time.
05:58 --> 06:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I always have thought Leo Reeves was a good player.
06:00 --> 06:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying he's going to be a perennial all star.
06:03 --> 06:05 [SPEAKER_01]: That's not what I'm sitting here and promoting.
06:06 --> 06:08 [SPEAKER_01]: But they were given.
06:08 --> 06:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we don't have to rehash all the Dillon Moore stuff.
06:10 --> 06:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Believe me, we did plenty of that before he was finally devayed.
06:13 --> 06:18 [SPEAKER_01]: But for all the abats and all the playing time and all the length they gave Dillon more than that roster forever.
06:19 --> 06:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Dude, where was Leo?
06:20 --> 06:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I think they could have used them.
06:22 --> 06:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Even when he was up here, they weren't using them.
06:25 --> 06:26 [SPEAKER_00]: At the beginning of the season.
06:26 --> 06:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And he had a 112 OPS plus before he got sent down, which was crazy.
06:30 --> 06:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, he was productive when he was up here.
06:32 --> 06:34 [SPEAKER_01]: He was productive in Triple A and now he's productive again.
06:35 --> 06:40 [SPEAKER_00]: So we didn't get a mailbag question about this, but I saw Jason Churchill talking about it earlier and I'd be curious to get your thoughts on this.
06:41 --> 06:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Right now, if you had to make a decision on a postseason roster,
06:50 --> 06:51 [SPEAKER_00]: It's gonna come down to those, too.
06:52 --> 06:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Might.
06:53 --> 06:59 [SPEAKER_00]: If Leo's gonna start at second base, then you could still put coal in the bench.
06:59 --> 07:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess technically, depending on how you wanna maneuver around your roster.
07:03 --> 07:06 [SPEAKER_00]: But Leo is the extra guy right now.
07:07 --> 07:09 [SPEAKER_00]: So you would have to sacrifice someone.
07:09 --> 07:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Wait, he was the extra guy.
07:10 --> 07:12 [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, he isn't cause it would be hairy.
07:13 --> 07:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, you're right.
07:14 --> 07:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, sorry.
07:15 --> 07:15 [SPEAKER_00]: You're right.
07:16 --> 07:16 [SPEAKER_00]: That's 100% right.
07:18 --> 07:20 [SPEAKER_00]: But let's make the hypothetical about that.
07:20 --> 07:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Say you only want to carry one second basement and then you would carry, I mean, you could carry coal.
07:27 --> 07:30 [SPEAKER_00]: You could carry master, again, for a little bit more flexibility.
07:30 --> 07:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Leo's your flexibility guy right now.
07:33 --> 07:37 [SPEAKER_00]: But once the roster shrinks back down and you have to have guys with a little bit more versatility on the bench,
07:39 --> 07:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think Cole's only going to place only would really play second in a playoff sense.
07:44 --> 07:45 [SPEAKER_00]: You'd have to think about someone else.
07:45 --> 07:48 [SPEAKER_00]: So let's say it's Leo or Cole right now.
07:49 --> 07:54 [SPEAKER_01]: This is a total hypothetical because both of them will be on the postseason roster, assuming Harry Ford's the odd man out.
07:55 --> 07:59 [SPEAKER_01]: But to answer your question, to answer a friend Jason Churchill's question.
08:03 --> 08:05 [SPEAKER_01]: It's tough because Leo's had such a nice flash in the pan here.
08:06 --> 08:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I would be interested to see if this keeps up for a couple more weeks.
08:09 --> 08:11 [SPEAKER_01]: If it does, the answer may be Leo Rivas.
08:11 --> 08:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, I'd still say it would be coal.
08:15 --> 08:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Coles been ice cold.
08:18 --> 08:20 [SPEAKER_00]: It just whether or not you trust that to turn around.
08:20 --> 08:30 [SPEAKER_00]: If you just need to answer this question right now, you need to look, okay, if I'm writing a starting lineup, can you afford to have the growing pains of coal young in there right now?
08:31 --> 08:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Because there was a point earlier this summer, last month, where Cole Young was hitting as well as most guys in this lineup, we highlighted here on this podcast.
08:39 --> 08:49 [SPEAKER_00]: But since then, in fact, almost since I made that a video about him saying, the murders need to stop, pinch, stop taking them out of the lineup against lefty.
08:49 --> 08:53 [SPEAKER_00]: He needs to play against every single pitcher that the team will throw out there.
08:53 --> 08:56 [SPEAKER_00]: He's been pretty bad at the plate.
08:57 --> 08:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, I would do Leo.
08:58 --> 09:00 [SPEAKER_00]: If it's right this second, I'm making the playoff roster.
09:00 --> 09:03 [SPEAKER_00]: It's Leo Rebus.
09:03 --> 09:04 [SPEAKER_01]: More than fair.
09:04 --> 09:06 [SPEAKER_01]: You ride with the hot hand.
09:06 --> 09:07 [SPEAKER_01]: He's had success.
09:07 --> 09:08 [SPEAKER_01]: He can move around.
09:08 --> 09:11 [SPEAKER_01]: But again, ultimately, I think they're both going to be on the roster.
09:12 --> 09:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to give another shout out before we get into this mailback.
09:14 --> 09:15 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners bullpen.
09:16 --> 09:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Yesterday, it Wednesday as we're recording this on Thursday was fantastic.
09:20 --> 09:21 [SPEAKER_00]: When you're getting outings,
09:22 --> 09:44 [SPEAKER_00]: from Jose Castillo, Luke Jackson and our guy Emerson Hancock for two innings, providing some very quality bullpen work and extra innings with runner inherited runners on second base with Logan Gilbert only going five innings with this team unable really through a turn through the rotation, able to get as much length as they want out of it.
09:44 --> 09:47 [SPEAKER_00]: For those guys to step up, I thought was enormous.
09:48 --> 09:53 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners bullpen in that Cardinal series pitch 16 and a third innings and did not allow an earned run.
09:54 --> 09:55 [SPEAKER_00]: That's massive.
09:55 --> 10:01 [SPEAKER_00]: That is the difference I think between winning two out of three and sweeping as they did yesterday.
10:01 --> 10:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Cause guess, I thought they were gonna lose.
10:03 --> 10:06 [SPEAKER_00]: As soon as they didn't score in the 10th inning, I'm gonna hold a hand up right here.
10:06 --> 10:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I was at the game yesterday with my girlfriend.
10:09 --> 10:13 [SPEAKER_00]: We laughed after the 10th inning because I thought that 10th inning was so fucking pathetic.
10:15 --> 10:16 [SPEAKER_00]: the dead that he was so bad.
10:16 --> 10:17 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, I'm out.
10:18 --> 10:19 [SPEAKER_00]: It can't get me better.
10:20 --> 10:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I've just watched the worst thing ever.
10:21 --> 10:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm out of here that they win.
10:23 --> 10:23 [SPEAKER_00]: They win.
10:23 --> 10:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I won't be here to see it.
10:26 --> 10:27 [SPEAKER_00]: That wouldn't have been possible without that bullpen.
10:28 --> 10:29 [SPEAKER_00]: See, this is where we differ.
10:29 --> 10:30 [SPEAKER_00]: I would never ever leave a game.
10:31 --> 10:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I forgot a jacket, too.
10:32 --> 10:33 [SPEAKER_00]: That was my mistake.
10:33 --> 10:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, good.
10:35 --> 10:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Smart man forgot a jacket.
10:37 --> 10:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I got home and they were still playing.
10:39 --> 10:41 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's not, I could still watch the end.
10:44 --> 10:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I suppose I still wouldn't leave a game early, but you know, that's just me.
10:48 --> 11:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I would say that aside from Reeves, because he's the obvious one, I think there's a very easy case to be made that Emerson Hancock was the MVP of that game for him to give them what he gave them.
11:01 --> 11:03 [SPEAKER_01]: to keep them in the game, to be as sharp as he was.
11:03 --> 11:05 [SPEAKER_01]: They're not winning that game without Emerson Hancock.
11:06 --> 11:09 [SPEAKER_01]: They're not winning it without all those guys to your point, about all the guys you highlighted.
11:09 --> 11:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And Luke Jackson at the throw a couple innings, too.
11:11 --> 11:16 [SPEAKER_01]: That was a night in the finale on Wednesday where Munoz was clearly down.
11:17 --> 11:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Brash was clearly down.
11:18 --> 11:20 [SPEAKER_01]: They'd gone back to back nights, and Bazardo was down.
11:20 --> 11:23 [SPEAKER_01]: So three of your best four relievers couldn't pitch.
11:23 --> 11:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Everybody else stepped up and helped them get a win.
11:26 --> 11:27 [SPEAKER_01]: That was massive.
11:28 --> 11:31 [SPEAKER_00]: and conveniently the closest and grittiest game of the entire series.
11:31 --> 11:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
11:33 --> 11:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Last little quick shout out before we get to the mailbag.
11:35 --> 11:42 [SPEAKER_01]: You know who really has not gotten enough praise this season and probably deserves a lot more, but he gets overshadowed a lot of times by other guys in this lineup.
11:43 --> 11:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Jorge Planco.
11:45 --> 11:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Since he went through that big slump in May and June, when he clearly wasn't healthy, he couldn't really hit from the right side.
11:53 --> 11:55 [SPEAKER_01]: He was in and out of the lineup.
11:56 --> 11:57 [SPEAKER_01]: He's been awesome.
11:57 --> 12:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Second half, he's been absolutely tearing the cover off the ball.
12:00 --> 12:03 [SPEAKER_01]: He's hitting great from both sides now.
12:03 --> 12:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you know Jorge Polanco is an 800 OPS on both sides of the plate this year?
12:07 --> 12:08 [SPEAKER_00]: He is that's pretty crazy.
12:09 --> 12:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for a guy that couldn't hit from the right side for a while, he has an OPS over 800 from both sides of the plate.
12:15 --> 12:17 [SPEAKER_01]: He's been good both home and on the road.
12:17 --> 12:18 [SPEAKER_01]: He's actually been better at home.
12:19 --> 12:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And the biggest thing about the guy is
12:21 --> 12:26 [SPEAKER_01]: He is clutch, the guy has such good at bats, especially when the moment gets big.
12:26 --> 12:28 [SPEAKER_01]: There are not a lot of guys on this team.
12:28 --> 12:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd rather have taken a bat in a big moment than Jorge Polanco.
12:31 --> 12:36 [SPEAKER_01]: That guy does not get phased, he locks in, and you just saw it on Wednesday night.
12:37 --> 12:41 [SPEAKER_01]: They get down to one, Polanco snap of a finger ties it with a double.
12:41 --> 12:42 [SPEAKER_01]: He's been awesome this year.
12:44 --> 12:47 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's one of the more complete seasons he's had at the plate.
12:47 --> 12:53 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not going to accumulate the value and war because he just doesn't play a valuable defense anymore.
12:53 --> 13:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Most of the days he's de-aching when he plays second base or God forbid live when they put him in at first base, it's not going to be the prettiest product ever.
13:01 --> 13:04 [SPEAKER_00]: But you look across the slash line that 261 323 483.
13:05 --> 13:09 [SPEAKER_00]: He's only slugged higher twice in a season.
13:09 --> 13:15 [SPEAKER_00]: One of those was in 2019 when the balls were juiced, and the other was in his best season in 2021 when he sluged 503.
13:16 --> 13:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Otherwise from a WRC plus perspective, this is gonna be his best offensive area if he keeps it right where he is right now.
13:23 --> 13:25 [SPEAKER_00]: He's striking out 15.2% of the time.
13:25 --> 13:26 [SPEAKER_00]: That is half.
13:28 --> 13:46 [SPEAKER_00]: of the amount he struck out last year when he struck out 29% of the time the turn around he is managed to do in season well battling his knee his side these injuries that a popped up form has been great and given he doesn't fall off next year.
13:46 --> 13:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Mariner fans are going to be very happy he's back in the lineup and that is option vested.
13:50 --> 13:51 [SPEAKER_01]: well, it's up to him.
13:52 --> 14:08 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's what I was going to get to is he could elect to go to free agency because if he feels like there's a market to get a little bit more money after the year he's now had he may test it that being said if Jorge Polanco chooses to pick up his option in 2026 and he's going to be the Mariners DH for most of the year next year.
14:09 --> 14:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have one bad word to say about it.
14:11 --> 14:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I could not be more on board with Jorge Polanco taking six to eight million dollars next year to be the Mariners DH.
14:18 --> 14:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't have a word.
14:19 --> 14:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have a bad word to say about it.
14:20 --> 14:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm all for it.
14:22 --> 14:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, so we'll see it would be as good of a DHS you've had outside of this year really.
14:29 --> 14:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what just to get it exactly right, what would he make next year?
14:34 --> 14:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a million dollars right now.
14:36 --> 14:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's six it will get if he gets however many more playpoints is then it'll be eight.
14:41 --> 14:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Botrax says, yeah, conditional mutual option, $8 million.
14:45 --> 14:50 [SPEAKER_00]: It was a mutual option until he hit 450 plate appearances.
14:50 --> 14:53 [SPEAKER_00]: And now it's, or 400, however many it was.
14:53 --> 14:56 [SPEAKER_00]: And now it's a player option for six.
14:57 --> 14:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Mm.
14:58 --> 14:59 [SPEAKER_00]: OK.
15:00 --> 15:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I think he says, it just depends on what
15:05 --> 15:31 [SPEAKER_01]: his market's going to be you're right there's not going to be a lot of teams out there they're going to be looking to sign him to play every day out in the field at this point and he does seem to like it here it just depends on if his camp believes that he can get more out on the market if he stays again if he wants to pick up the six million dollar option and stay sign me right up that would be a lot of fun all right let's get into this mail bag lie let's start off on patreon reminder guys if you want priority
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16:00 --> 16:03 [SPEAKER_00]: This first question, Lyle, comes from Josh.
16:04 --> 16:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Josh asks, say Cole Emerson makes it to the show next year and you're expecting him to play every day.
16:09 --> 16:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Where does that leave JP Crawford?
16:12 --> 16:15 [SPEAKER_01]: So this is a problem that they won't have to worry about for
16:16 --> 16:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Roughly 10 months, maybe a little less, I would guess.
16:20 --> 16:30 [SPEAKER_01]: We've answered this in some slightly different perspective before, but just in terms of Colt Emerson's timeline, I would guess Colt Emerson's gonna debut next year.
16:30 --> 16:35 [SPEAKER_01]: If everything goes right, sometime between July, first, and the middle of August.
16:36 --> 16:36 [SPEAKER_01]: That's my rough guess.
16:38 --> 16:41 [SPEAKER_01]: So they have a little bit of time to figure out what they do with JP Crawford.
16:41 --> 16:41 [SPEAKER_01]: But,
16:42 --> 16:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Josh is absolutely right.
16:43 --> 16:46 [SPEAKER_01]: When they call Colt Emerson up, he ain't going to be here to ride the bench.
16:47 --> 16:52 [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be here to play and he's likely going to play shortstop with how good he's been defensively and how much he's worked on in the minors.
16:53 --> 16:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Where does that leave JP Crawford?
16:55 --> 16:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he could just be a bench player.
16:59 --> 17:00 [SPEAKER_01]: He could play a little bit of second base.
17:01 --> 17:02 [SPEAKER_01]: They can move him around a little bit.
17:02 --> 17:04 [SPEAKER_01]: They could have Colt play third base for a couple of months if they
17:10 --> 17:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I think if J.P.
17:11 --> 17:30 [SPEAKER_01]: is still in the roster next year because there's some world that they could trade them in the off season, but if he's still in the roster next year, and Cold Emerson gets to Seattle, I would guess he'll just mix in in a couple different spots play a little bit less until his contracts up at the end of next year.
17:31 --> 17:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm in the camp of pretty similar to you.
17:35 --> 17:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I think since Colts gonna be the 20 slash 21 year old, potentially in the big leagues next year, how it goes with most rookies, he's gonna have to play around the veterans already on the roster.
17:46 --> 17:53 [SPEAKER_00]: At the Mariners commit to JP Crawford for next year, unless he just flat out stinks, he's gonna be their starting shortstop.
17:53 --> 17:54 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think,
17:55 --> 18:03 [SPEAKER_00]: The Mariners would move, say, this version of JP defensively with like a 105 to 110 WRC plus off of short stop.
18:04 --> 18:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Because the Mariners right now have better short stops on the roster than JP Crawford defensively and they have not moved him.
18:10 --> 18:21 [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't think I know Colts a high prospect, but the Mariners also understand his contracts up at the end of the year Colts the shortstop of the future They're I don't think in the middle of the season.
18:21 --> 18:29 [SPEAKER_00]: They're gonna just yank JP Crawford off of shortstop and put Colt Emerson who's never seen a big league pitch in his life Into play shortstop every single day.
18:29 --> 18:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I think Colt I think Colt is good enough for if they want him to play third base.
18:34 --> 18:37 [SPEAKER_00]: They'll play them at third base if they want him to mix in at second and help play second
18:39 --> 18:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they'll do it.
18:40 --> 18:44 [SPEAKER_00]: They'll DHJP a little bit more, so cult play some shortstop still.
18:44 --> 18:48 [SPEAKER_00]: But if JP Crawford's on the roster and he's making the salary, he's making next year.
18:48 --> 18:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I just don't see them moving him to the bench.
18:52 --> 18:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's cult's job.
18:53 --> 18:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Once he gets here, when they call him up, I think that's his job.
18:57 --> 18:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, JP's not a good defender anymore.
18:59 --> 19:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I know there's better defensive short stops on the roster like you're talking about than JP at this current moment.
19:08 --> 19:17 [SPEAKER_01]: None of them are Colt Emerson, none of them are going to be the guy that's the Mariners highest prospects since Julio, a top-by prospect in the sport that is likely going to be light in the world on fire by the time he gets here.
19:17 --> 19:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's different when Colt gets here and I think they'll just move JP around a little bit for the last couple of months and make it work because again it's not like he's got it's not like he's got a bunch of leverage, it's not like he can refuse an assignment, it's not like they're going to be in ridiculous contract negotiations with them, I don't think.
19:34 --> 19:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I think when Colt gets here next year it's his job.
19:40 --> 19:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I think they can have JP play second base once or twice a week and maybe play short once or twice a week and maybe they can mix them in at third.
19:47 --> 19:51 [SPEAKER_00]: It just doesn't feel very baseball-ish that you just take an established veteran.
19:51 --> 19:58 [SPEAKER_00]: However you think about his defense or his offense that you take an established veteran and you yank him off his position for a prospect.
19:59 --> 20:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I just don't, not with the sour he's making, it's not like the Mariners second base position this year where guys were in and out of the lineup.
20:06 --> 20:12 [SPEAKER_00]: You didn't have an established second baseman, same goes for third base because you had clear flaws with Ben Williams and Zoffense.
20:13 --> 20:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Like JP, if JP's bad, it's an easier decision.
20:19 --> 20:24 [SPEAKER_00]: But JP Crawford of this year, the Mariners wouldn't see that as I think bad enough.
20:24 --> 20:34 [SPEAKER_00]: What you I think the Mariners would look at is say they don't resign Gino and your infielders on the left side next year for most of the season or JP Crawford and Ben Williamson.
20:34 --> 20:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Which one of those guys would you rather take out of the lineup for Colt Emerson?
20:40 --> 20:49 [SPEAKER_01]: If Ben Williams is really going to be the third baseman and they don't go acquire somebody else to play third, then sure you could ask Colt Emerson to play a little bit of third base.
20:49 --> 21:00 [SPEAKER_01]: But again, you're not asking JP Crawford to stop, like you're not removing his bat from the lineup, you're removing a short stop defense, which is objectively not very good anymore.
21:00 --> 21:05 [SPEAKER_01]: So you could have JP play a little bit of third base and Colt just starts playing short.
21:05 --> 21:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Like for example, Roman Anthony got called up this year to Boston.
21:09 --> 21:11 [SPEAKER_01]: for the most part, wait.
21:12 --> 21:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, am I going to get this wrong?
21:13 --> 21:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Did they not move Jaren to Randall Fiel for him?
21:17 --> 21:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Jaren has always played left.
21:19 --> 21:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, he played center.
21:21 --> 21:22 [SPEAKER_00]: They end some center.
21:22 --> 21:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I think he plays all three positions.
21:24 --> 21:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Point being.
21:26 --> 21:28 [SPEAKER_00]: But Albert Field's not the same as shortstop.
21:28 --> 21:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Because especially the outfielders, the red socks have.
21:33 --> 21:34 [SPEAKER_00]: They're also athletic.
21:34 --> 21:35 [SPEAKER_00]: You can move them around wherever.
21:36 --> 21:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Still, when Roman came up, that was his job.
21:39 --> 21:41 [SPEAKER_00]: It, I think Alfielders are very different.
21:42 --> 21:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I think Alfield, you can move guys to different spots and make it work.
21:46 --> 21:48 [SPEAKER_00]: I think Cole's gonna be a priority when he got to here.
21:49 --> 21:52 [SPEAKER_00]: This is based in a total logical baseball sense.
21:53 --> 21:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I agree with you.
21:54 --> 21:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I just don't think that's what the Mariners are gonna do because they haven't shown they're gonna do that.
21:58 --> 22:02 [SPEAKER_01]: They didn't do with Cole Young, but Cole Young was always supposed to be more of a second basement.
22:02 --> 22:07 [SPEAKER_01]: What Cole Dammer said is proven is, not only is he one of the best prospects in baseball, he is a short stop.
22:08 --> 22:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Cole Young was a guy who can play short, but it's going to be a second basement.
22:11 --> 22:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I can be wrong on this.
22:12 --> 22:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I think when Cole gets here next year, says job.
22:16 --> 22:22 [SPEAKER_00]: It's different from one Julio and Kellenck came up as the two highly touted prospects similar to Cole Emerson.
22:25 --> 22:27 [SPEAKER_00]: roster was not as established back then.
22:27 --> 22:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Therefore, it was not as hard to just bump guys out of the lineup and move them.
22:31 --> 22:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Now you look around this mariner's starting nine, it is pretty established across the board.
22:37 --> 22:51 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just especially if they're playing well too, like we've seen what happens when you trade, again, whether you agree with it or not, when you just move proven guys out of their spot for a prospect.
22:51 --> 22:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but this is not Kendall Grayman for a Toro.
22:54 --> 23:01 [SPEAKER_01]: This is a guy that you're expecting to help really alter the next six to seven years of your franchise.
23:02 --> 23:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, we'll find out and we'll see if the Mariners agree with that sentiment as well.
23:08 --> 23:09 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a good conversation to have.
23:09 --> 23:13 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think the Mariners have something to think about when he comes up.
23:13 --> 23:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Usually, though, these things have a way of sorting themselves out.
23:16 --> 23:16 [SPEAKER_00]: sure.
23:17 --> 23:21 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think this will be a big headache by the time it comes around next next year.
23:22 --> 23:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Baseball does usually have a funny way of working these things out.
23:25 --> 23:26 [SPEAKER_01]: So, but we'll see.
23:27 --> 23:30 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, before we get to the next question, let's take a quick pause.
23:30 --> 23:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to talk to you guys about a friend's over at Pugaches Pub 85.
23:32 --> 23:34 [SPEAKER_01]: You guys know that's over in Kirkland.
23:34 --> 23:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Home stretch here for the games are winding down.
23:37 --> 23:39 [SPEAKER_01]: You know they're right in the thick of the playoff race.
23:39 --> 23:43 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you guys want to get out and watch some games with your friends, head over there.
23:43 --> 23:44 [SPEAKER_01]: There's 20 CDs in that place.
23:44 --> 23:49 [SPEAKER_01]: So you will have no problem watching any Mariners baseball or watching any college football NFL.
23:49 --> 23:50 [SPEAKER_01]: There's also great food.
23:50 --> 23:51 [SPEAKER_01]: There's games at the place.
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24:01 --> 24:09 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you're interested in that and want to plan a night out with your friends head over there, Pagaches Pub 85 in Kirkland.
24:09 --> 24:12 [SPEAKER_00]: One quick question from Josh that he also added to the mail bag.
24:12 --> 24:17 [SPEAKER_00]: If you could get one wish from the Etsy witch, what would it be?
24:18 --> 24:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Anything in the world.
24:20 --> 24:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Whatever you want, clearly it has solved the Mariners losing problem.
24:23 --> 24:23 [SPEAKER_00]: So,
24:24 --> 24:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I think he said it can't be baseball related though.
24:27 --> 24:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm using the example of how it worked.
24:30 --> 24:35 [SPEAKER_01]: But Josh's actual question was, non-mariners related edgy witch spells.
24:35 --> 24:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
24:35 --> 24:38 [SPEAKER_00]: And you said anything in the world, but I said, yeah, it is proven work.
24:38 --> 24:46 [SPEAKER_01]: So, unfortunately, what I'm saying is, unfortunately, I cannot sit here under the premise of this question and say, Kyle Tucker's an M, I can't do that.
24:54 --> 24:55 [SPEAKER_01]: and world hunger.
24:56 --> 24:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
24:57 --> 24:59 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm I'm very proud of those answers for you.
25:01 --> 25:02 [SPEAKER_00]: You said 800 billion?
25:03 --> 25:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
25:04 --> 25:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I wish for a trillion dollars.
25:06 --> 25:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
25:07 --> 25:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Because then we don't have to we don't have to worry about making a single dollar on this podcast.
25:11 --> 25:11 [SPEAKER_00]: We're good.
25:13 --> 25:14 [SPEAKER_01]: That'd be great.
25:14 --> 25:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean,
25:16 --> 25:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Then we can really say whatever we want.
25:17 --> 25:19 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, oh, give me a money.
25:21 --> 25:23 [SPEAKER_00]: But thank you for the question, Josh.
25:23 --> 25:24 [SPEAKER_00]: That was the fun one to think about.
25:25 --> 25:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Next question, Lao and Patron comes from Zander and Zander asks, do you think the Mariners pitching first philosophy is sustainable?
25:32 --> 25:37 [SPEAKER_00]: And he points to the Mariners sub-par performance as a pitching staff this year.
25:39 --> 25:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I think they're organizational philosophies, pretty sustainable, and clearly they do too, because not only do they keep drafting pitchers, but they keep drafting pitchers that have serious upside, okay, to Anderson, and Jerangelow, Ryan Sloan.
25:51 --> 25:53 [SPEAKER_01]: They've developed guys like Logan Evans, Brandon Garcia.
25:54 --> 25:54 [SPEAKER_01]: They've done it.
25:54 --> 25:55 [SPEAKER_01]: So they've done it with later round guys.
25:55 --> 25:57 [SPEAKER_01]: They've done it with early round guys.
25:57 --> 26:04 [SPEAKER_01]: They trade it for Castillo, and that's worked out as a whole for the most part, obviously, especially in his first couple of years here when he was dominant.
26:05 --> 26:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it's pretty sustainable, especially when you play in the ballpark that you play in, it is catered to bring your pitcher's success.
26:13 --> 26:16 [SPEAKER_01]: So the Mariners continuing to lean into being a pitching first organization?
26:17 --> 26:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it's sustainable.
26:19 --> 26:21 [SPEAKER_00]: What do we think Zaynard means by being sustainable?
26:21 --> 26:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Sustainable about what?
26:24 --> 26:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Like developing good players winning, winning a world series?
26:28 --> 26:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Clearly, the Mariners have tried lots of things and has it worked for winning a world series.
26:32 --> 26:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
26:33 --> 26:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's sustainable.
26:34 --> 26:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, again, in this context, yeah, I guess it's sustainable, but the most sustainable thing is you and I know is to develop both, like you just have to develop lots of good players.
26:46 --> 26:47 [SPEAKER_00]: That should be your goal.
26:48 --> 26:53 [SPEAKER_00]: It shouldn't matter whether or not it's just pictures or just hitters you want both.
26:54 --> 27:03 [SPEAKER_00]: The opposite edge of this coin to Zander's point if pitch first pitching first philosophy is somehow unsustainable.
27:04 --> 27:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Like hitter-only developing also doesn't work.
27:07 --> 27:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Hello, Orioles.
27:09 --> 27:11 [SPEAKER_00]: You know how many playoff games the Orioles have won the last two years?
27:12 --> 27:14 [SPEAKER_00]: The same amount as the Mariners have.
27:15 --> 27:18 [SPEAKER_00]: And they have developed Grayson Rod Regas and
27:20 --> 27:21 [SPEAKER_00]: not a lot else.
27:21 --> 27:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Dean Cramer.
27:22 --> 27:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, and G-Rod has been pretty disappointing too.
27:27 --> 27:28 [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of it's because of injuries.
27:28 --> 27:34 [SPEAKER_01]: We know he has the talent, but G-Rod's actual success, Grayson Rodriguez.
27:35 --> 27:36 [SPEAKER_01]: He hasn't pitched at all this year.
27:38 --> 27:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Last year he was good, not great.
27:40 --> 27:44 [SPEAKER_01]: He had a three, eight ERA, and by B-Warriad one and a half wins.
27:45 --> 27:48 [SPEAKER_01]: We know he's got talent, but they haven't truly developed
27:51 --> 27:54 [SPEAKER_00]: So that leads me back to my point of, you want both.
27:54 --> 27:58 [SPEAKER_00]: And the Maritors will show us here in the next couple of years, whether or not they truly have both.
27:59 --> 28:02 [SPEAKER_00]: They've developed some good bats in Cal and Julio.
28:03 --> 28:12 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll see if they can develop an entire wave of good bats all at once that can take the roster to a level, let me compare to the Dodgers.
28:12 --> 28:16 [SPEAKER_00]: This most recent Dodgers team that won the World Series is a lot of free agents and trades.
28:17 --> 28:19 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think that's a bad example, but you know it's a good example of this.
28:20 --> 28:31 [SPEAKER_00]: The 2020 Dodgers, can I just read off some names that I think the Dodgers, these are other players that came up through their farm system, or the Dodgers got them for nothing and turn them into something other good or great.
28:33 --> 28:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Hitters on that 2020 Dodgers World Series team, Will Smith, Max Muncie, Cory Seeger, Justin Turner, Cody Bellinger, Jock Peterson, Chris Taylor,
28:45 --> 28:54 [SPEAKER_00]: All those guys, all developed as Dodgers, right, all good as Dodgers, more other before they were either minor leagueers or they stunk, right, a Justin Turner as a Matt was bad.
28:55 --> 28:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Came over to the Dodgers, was one of the best hitters in the league for almost a decade.
29:00 --> 29:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Same with Chris Taylor, maybe not that good, but he was very good to the Dodgers.
29:04 --> 29:08 [SPEAKER_00]: And then their pitchers, their entire starting rotation, their top six starters all homegrown.
29:09 --> 29:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Clayton Kirchock, Dustin May, Kulia Uris, Tony Gonslin, Walker Bueller, Ross Struppling, all homegrown.
29:17 --> 29:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Struppling wasn't homegrown, was he?
29:19 --> 29:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah he was.
29:20 --> 29:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Really?
29:20 --> 29:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
29:22 --> 29:23 [SPEAKER_00]: He's bounced around after.
29:23 --> 29:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Can you hear me?
29:25 --> 29:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, good call.
29:27 --> 29:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Like that, that right there is the example.
29:29 --> 29:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I know everyone likes to cloud on them for a Mickey Mouse world series.
29:33 --> 29:37 [SPEAKER_00]: And 60 game season results are always fluky.
29:38 --> 29:41 [SPEAKER_00]: But that team was the definition of homegrown success.
29:42 --> 29:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's what you want.
29:44 --> 29:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Definitely.
29:46 --> 29:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Next question comes from Wayne on Instagram, while and Wayne's question is, if you could guarantee the Mariners winning the world series this year, but it would cost you 30 straight seasons of the Seox missing the playoffs, would you take it?
30:00 --> 30:02 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I know we're a baseball, I mean, sorry.
30:03 --> 30:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I know we're Seox fans and we are ultimately big time Seattle sports fans as a whole, but we're baseball first people, and this is a Mariners podcast.
30:10 --> 30:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, of course we're giving that up for a world series win, world series title.
30:16 --> 30:18 [SPEAKER_00]: We've also gotten a Seahawks title already.
30:18 --> 30:24 [SPEAKER_00]: And as fun as winning a title would be for the Seahawks, I just don't think it's going to hit as well as the first one.
30:24 --> 30:29 [SPEAKER_00]: But that Mariners World Series, they win a World Series.
30:29 --> 30:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't need to see the Seahawks on the playoffs ever again.
30:32 --> 30:33 [SPEAKER_01]: No, do that.
30:33 --> 30:36 [SPEAKER_01]: That Mariners parade if they win the World Series is going to be nuts.
30:36 --> 30:38 [SPEAKER_01]: City's going to shut down.
30:38 --> 30:39 [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be absolutely insane.
30:40 --> 30:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I will be hammered at that parade.
30:41 --> 30:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I can guarantee you that.
30:42 --> 30:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
30:43 --> 30:47 [SPEAKER_00]: And also for a business perspective for us, of course we want the Mariners to win a world series.
30:48 --> 30:51 [SPEAKER_00]: The CX winning and losing does not affect this podcast at all.
30:52 --> 30:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
30:52 --> 30:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Shocker guys, when the team plays better, more people are interested in the Mariners.
30:58 --> 30:59 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's a lot more fun.
31:00 --> 31:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for the question Wayne.
31:01 --> 31:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
31:02 --> 31:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Where do you?
31:03 --> 31:06 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we got to draw to that long with the Mariners and we survived.
31:06 --> 31:07 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think I could survive the Seahawks.
31:08 --> 31:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
31:08 --> 31:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we'll be okay.
31:10 --> 31:11 [SPEAKER_00]: It is a good question, though, Wayne.
31:11 --> 31:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Shout out for the question.
31:13 --> 31:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Maxim Ross on Instagram has a question.
31:16 --> 31:23 [SPEAKER_00]: His question is, what is the minimum record needed out of the Kansas City Houston road trip to feel good down the stretch?
31:24 --> 31:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll say three and three.
31:25 --> 31:27 [SPEAKER_01]: That means you win one of those series.
31:28 --> 31:33 [SPEAKER_01]: If you can win one of those series and you get back from that road trip three and three, I think people will feel pretty good.
31:33 --> 31:35 [SPEAKER_01]: That is not a total disaster of a road trip.
31:35 --> 31:37 [SPEAKER_01]: That's not like the last two road trips they've had.
31:38 --> 31:39 [SPEAKER_01]: That's manageable.
31:39 --> 31:40 [SPEAKER_01]: You're essentially holding serve.
31:44 --> 31:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm with you on three and three, but that number is gonna depend how Texas plays this week.
31:50 --> 31:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Three and three was going to be good when Texas was three games out.
31:53 --> 31:55 [SPEAKER_00]: The Rangers keep on winning.
31:56 --> 31:57 [SPEAKER_00]: It's making me a little nervous.
31:57 --> 32:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't care how close the Mariners get to the Astros, as long as the Rangers are right on their heels, because the Rangers cut off line of the playoffs.
32:06 --> 32:13 [SPEAKER_00]: So if that number behind you is one or two, for me to feel good,
32:15 --> 32:22 [SPEAKER_00]: might have to be foreign to the Rangers are right there like you need to then put the Astros between you and the you and the Rangers.
32:23 --> 32:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Although if the Mariners win here on Thursday they'll have a two game lead which is we've discussed is really a three game lead.
32:29 --> 32:31 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's gonna feel a little bit better.
32:31 --> 32:37 [SPEAKER_00]: But watching the makeshift astros sweep the brewers, doesn't make me feel good.
32:37 --> 32:39 [SPEAKER_00]: You mean the rangers, makeshift rangers?
32:39 --> 32:41 [SPEAKER_00]: So makeshift rangers, speed brewers.
32:42 --> 32:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
32:43 --> 32:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's just not a lot of talent left in totality between the rangers and the astros.
32:51 --> 32:52 [SPEAKER_01]: So much talent for the rangers that they signed.
32:52 --> 32:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Donovan Solano.
32:56 --> 32:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Chris Young is remembering his time in Seattle and I was like, you know what?
33:00 --> 33:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's troll them.
33:02 --> 33:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I want them to experience as much pain as possible when Donovan Solano clinches a playoff spot for us.
33:07 --> 33:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Dude, they've been trolling all of the second half.
33:10 --> 33:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Dillon Moore, Roudi Tolaz, Donovan Solano, Sam Haggerty, who they got at the beginning of the year.
33:15 --> 33:19 [SPEAKER_01]: And if you even want to pile on top of that, our guy, Brett Boons, the heading coach there.
33:20 --> 33:23 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't I can't you don't can't happen on this road trip.
33:24 --> 33:29 [SPEAKER_00]: The banners cannot go to and four Can't go one and five and they definitely can't go o and six.
33:29 --> 33:30 [SPEAKER_00]: They go o and six.
33:31 --> 33:32 [SPEAKER_00]: See you guys next year
33:35 --> 33:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Ah, I mean, they won't be technically out of it if they go Owen 6, but I'll tell you what, people are going to be melting down if they're Owen 6 on that road trip.
33:44 --> 33:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Astros would clinch the division at that point, because then they would have a five game lead with six left.
33:48 --> 33:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
33:50 --> 33:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the division's obviously over if you go Owen 6 on the road trip.
33:53 --> 33:55 [SPEAKER_01]: If you lose the series to the Astros, the division's probably over.
33:56 --> 33:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
33:58 --> 34:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, unless you make up some real ground and have a one to two game lead in the west over Houston by the time you go play, I'm which would be great, but yeah, more likely than not, if you lose the Astros series, you're not winning the division good news though, by the way, we talked about this earlier today, just on social media, but Brian Wu as we're currently scheduled not only will pitch one of the games in Houston for that road series, but it lines up perfectly right now that if the Mariners get into the playoffs,
34:27 --> 34:32 [SPEAKER_01]: He would be scheduled to start game one of the wildcard series on a perfect normal four days rest.
34:33 --> 34:37 [SPEAKER_01]: As we sit right now, Ryan Wu will pitch on Saturday against the angels.
34:37 --> 34:42 [SPEAKER_01]: He will then pitch, I believe, game one against the Astros.
34:43 --> 34:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
34:44 --> 34:48 [SPEAKER_01]: He'll pitch the final game of the Rocky series, which is a Thursday.
34:49 --> 34:59 [SPEAKER_01]: So then after that, I'll have Friday, Saturday, Sunday off against the Dodgers, that Monday is a full off day in Major League Baseball before the postseason starts, which makes it five days.
35:00 --> 35:04 [SPEAKER_01]: As we currently said, if nothing gets reshuffled, Brian Wu will pitch game one of the wildcard series.
35:04 --> 35:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank goodness for how that shakes out right now.
35:07 --> 35:09 [SPEAKER_01]: That could not favor the Mariners more.
35:11 --> 35:15 [SPEAKER_00]: No better way to get ready for the playoffs than pitch against Carl Rotterakis.
35:16 --> 35:18 [SPEAKER_00]: most low stress environment of all time.
35:19 --> 35:21 [SPEAKER_00]: One would wonder if that might actually be a detriment.
35:22 --> 35:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I was honestly wondering if it would be somewhat of a negative advantage that the Astros would see woo in Houston so short time apart.
35:31 --> 35:33 [SPEAKER_01]: But then again, you can't do anything about that.
35:33 --> 35:35 [SPEAKER_01]: You have to throw your best picture against that team.
35:35 --> 35:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you got to win.
35:37 --> 35:39 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's not like Brian was tricking people at this point of the season.
35:40 --> 35:41 [SPEAKER_00]: He's saying, here's my fastball.
35:41 --> 35:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Can you hit it?
35:46 --> 35:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, sorry.
35:47 --> 35:48 [SPEAKER_01]: We should say here's my two fastballs.
35:48 --> 35:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Can you hit either?
35:49 --> 35:49 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
35:49 --> 35:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
35:50 --> 35:51 [SPEAKER_00]: No, and no, you cannot.
35:51 --> 35:52 [SPEAKER_00]: So, thanks for showing up.
35:53 --> 35:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Next question, Lyle comes from Jacob on Instagram.
35:56 --> 36:02 [SPEAKER_00]: And Jacob's question is, would you give up, Lyle, PB and J's if it meant the M's would continue their win streak?
36:04 --> 36:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Why don't people keep doing this to me?
36:06 --> 36:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Why don't people want to keep doing this?
36:08 --> 36:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you have to give up Peter Butter and Jelly sandwiches?
36:10 --> 36:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yes, I would give it up if the Mariners were going to win.
36:13 --> 36:15 [SPEAKER_01]: We already talked about this.
36:15 --> 36:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I know what Jacob's doing.
36:17 --> 36:18 [SPEAKER_01]: He's trying to get under my skin.
36:18 --> 36:20 [SPEAKER_01]: He wants to see me crash out and melt down right here on this pod.
36:21 --> 36:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Because we got a question like this similar to this a couple weeks ago.
36:26 --> 36:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And it made me rip my hair out about giving up PB and J is for ever and ever and ever.
36:30 --> 36:32 [SPEAKER_01]: If the Mariners win a world series.
36:32 --> 36:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I would give it up for the sake of people.
36:34 --> 36:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I would give it up for the sake of a city.
36:36 --> 36:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I would give them up for the sake of the Mariners.
36:38 --> 36:39 [SPEAKER_01]: But I'd rather not.
36:40 --> 36:41 [SPEAKER_00]: And rather not have to give them up.
36:41 --> 36:43 [SPEAKER_00]: This one's non-specific.
36:43 --> 36:46 [SPEAKER_00]: So let me let me add some more specifics for you in hypothetical.
36:46 --> 36:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's say the Mariners keep winning every day you don't eat a PB&J.
36:52 --> 36:54 [SPEAKER_00]: So that can have one, but they'll lose that day.
36:55 --> 36:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
36:57 --> 36:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that means all of October.
36:59 --> 36:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not having one.
37:00 --> 37:01 [SPEAKER_01]: correct.
37:03 --> 37:10 [SPEAKER_01]: But that means I could mix some in in the final few days.
37:11 --> 37:14 [SPEAKER_01]: If I think they can bank a loss, is that what you're saying?
37:14 --> 37:16 [SPEAKER_01]: If you want, yeah.
37:17 --> 37:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Do I get them on the off days?
37:19 --> 37:19 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
37:21 --> 37:22 [SPEAKER_00]: The win streak is alive.
37:22 --> 37:22 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't get one.
37:24 --> 37:24 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, I'd give it up.
37:25 --> 37:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I give it up if they're going to keep winning because that's what's most important here.
37:28 --> 37:29 [SPEAKER_01]: What a noble sacrifice.
37:29 --> 37:38 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a tear, I mean, it's an awful, awful, just shameful, just gut-wrenching sacrifice, but I would do it.
37:38 --> 37:40 [SPEAKER_00]: You're going to have one of my caffeine headaches.
37:40 --> 37:42 [SPEAKER_00]: You're going to be like one podcast episode.
37:42 --> 37:47 [SPEAKER_00]: You're going to be like slumped over with a headache, sweating, like, ugh.
37:48 --> 37:50 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, got to do what I got to do.
37:51 --> 37:51 [SPEAKER_01]: do it for the people.
37:52 --> 37:52 [SPEAKER_01]: I would do it.
37:53 --> 37:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I just wouldn't be thrilled.
37:54 --> 37:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I would be thrilled because the Mariners will be winning.
37:55 --> 38:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I just would not be thrilled to have to give a peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, which by the way, Luke Stephenson was at the ballpark this week.
38:01 --> 38:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately, we didn't quite get the chance to chop it up with them about PB and J's, but come spring training that conversation's coming.
38:09 --> 38:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I was hoping it was going to happen the other day.
38:11 --> 38:12 [SPEAKER_01]: He was a little too busy.
38:12 --> 38:13 [SPEAKER_01]: He was doing a lot of stuff.
38:13 --> 38:18 [SPEAKER_01]: He had a schedule to be on which I get because the Mariners were hosting him and bringing him around to do a bunch of stuff.
38:18 --> 38:20 [SPEAKER_01]: But that conversation's coming.
38:21 --> 38:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Think of how good that celebration PB and Jay is going to taste.
38:24 --> 38:27 [SPEAKER_00]: What's the first thing that I was going to do when the Mariners won the world series?
38:28 --> 38:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Number one, scream number two, I think before you even run outside, you're going to run into the kitchen and make a PB and Jay.
38:37 --> 38:39 [SPEAKER_01]: If I gone that long without eating one, probably.
38:41 --> 38:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll do it all, I'll rip a bunch of shots and then my chaser will just be eating a PB and J. Yeah.
38:48 --> 38:51 [SPEAKER_00]: But you can't make one before the, you can't make it before the game.
38:51 --> 38:56 [SPEAKER_00]: It has to be made once the final pitch is thrown.
38:56 --> 38:56 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
38:56 --> 38:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
38:57 --> 38:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
38:57 --> 38:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm with that.
38:58 --> 38:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Good.
38:59 --> 39:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Glad we're glad we're on the same page there.
39:01 --> 39:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Last question.
39:01 --> 39:02 [SPEAKER_00]: This is a juicy one.
39:02 --> 39:04 [SPEAKER_00]: This comes from Garrett on Instagram.
39:04 --> 39:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, or no, the murders will have all four of their homegrown starters in the rotation to start
39:12 --> 39:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Brice, Logan, Wu, Kirby.
39:18 --> 39:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, because they don't have a surefire replacement, especially not yet.
39:25 --> 39:28 [SPEAKER_00]: But, and they don't have a surefire reason, I don't think.
39:28 --> 39:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, I think they just have to hope people like George Kirby figure some stuff out for next year.
39:37 --> 39:46 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm guessing that's where this question's coming from is somebody's curious about if they think about trading Kirby or if they think about trading one of these starters to help get a couple more bets.
39:47 --> 39:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to guess this is mostly centered around Kirby too.
39:49 --> 39:54 [SPEAKER_01]: In the sense of he hasn't quite taken that jump that Logan has that people have been waiting for.
39:55 --> 39:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Would somebody take him and give you back a lot for him.
39:59 --> 40:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it makes a lot of sense to do that.
40:01 --> 40:03 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think the Mariners will just.
40:04 --> 40:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Keep work on George Kirby and hope you figure some stuff out in 26.
40:08 --> 40:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Also, why would you trade him now?
40:09 --> 40:12 [SPEAKER_00]: His stocks not as high as it once was.
40:13 --> 40:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
40:13 --> 40:16 [SPEAKER_00]: So you'd be losing essentially.
40:16 --> 40:19 [SPEAKER_00]: You'd be losing on this investment that you have in George Kirby.
40:20 --> 40:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I would rather just have him stay here in pitch because he's got an extra year on top of Logan.
40:25 --> 40:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Logan is, I think the one you have to worry about first.
40:27 --> 40:32 [SPEAKER_00]: What the, the mindset of this question should start with.
40:33 --> 40:37 [SPEAKER_00]: is Logan Gilbert going to sign an extension and have nothing to do with anybody else.
40:37 --> 40:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you want them pitching better, but having these four guys in the rotation is something every other team manager league baseball will take right now, right?
40:44 --> 40:53 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's that is what where your worries should be if you know he's not going to then the soft season perhaps you think about it.
40:53 --> 40:59 [SPEAKER_00]: But if no one's willing to give you anything for them, like what the brewers got for Corbin Burns, then I would rather just keep Logan.
41:00 --> 41:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd rather just keep him and I'd rather just keep Kirby too.
41:03 --> 41:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, they're not trading Logan.
41:05 --> 41:05 [SPEAKER_00]: That's off season.
41:05 --> 41:06 [SPEAKER_00]: No way.
41:07 --> 41:13 [SPEAKER_00]: The only way I could possibly think of them trading him is if they know for certain he is not studying an extension.
41:14 --> 41:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Which by all accounts from what Logan Gilbert said publicly, that's not true.
41:18 --> 41:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Logan, he's pretty open to it.
41:21 --> 41:25 [SPEAKER_01]: That came as recently as an interview he did just a couple weeks ago where he said, I am open.
41:26 --> 41:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope the Mariners get that done, man.
41:27 --> 41:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I really do.
41:29 --> 41:40 [SPEAKER_00]: The only other guy I would think of those four well here's a better way to frame it the guy who's slam dunk not getting traded is Brian will Tonic club control and now he's our best pitcher.
41:40 --> 41:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's not going anywhere.
41:41 --> 41:42 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not going anywhere.
41:43 --> 41:44 [SPEAKER_00]: The other three you could
41:45 --> 42:03 [SPEAKER_00]: You could find like a one to five percent reason why they should trade him, but I don't see any benefits of the twenty twenty six mariners trading anyone in this rotation now you're already going to have I think enough trouble once you trade Louise if you trade Louise Cassio a seems like when when you trade Louise Cassio a and you get that money off the books.
42:03 --> 42:13 [SPEAKER_00]: You could sign somebody but there's no certainty that the Mariners would spend enough for a picture that is good enough to be up to the par of the rest of those four.
42:13 --> 42:19 [SPEAKER_00]: in the rotation and that your rotation would potentially take a step back from a talent perspective.
42:20 --> 42:27 [SPEAKER_01]: And I get where part of the questions coming from to because you expect next year you may see Gerangelo next year, there's an outside chance you could see Kate Anderson.
42:27 --> 42:29 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, there's guys coming through the system.
42:29 --> 42:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, they have other people that they have other reinforcements in the rotation, Logan Evans or Guy, certainly is one of those guys who will throw out winnings next year and get some starts.
42:41 --> 42:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's other options.
42:42 --> 42:46 [SPEAKER_01]: But I would be a little surprised if they trade away.
42:46 --> 42:50 [SPEAKER_01]: all the like any of the homegrown starters that they're going to trade anybody it's going to be castio.
42:51 --> 42:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Like just think of your opening day rotation if you trade castio and say Kirby at the start of next year.
42:57 --> 42:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Who who's the five you're rolling out?
43:00 --> 43:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
43:00 --> 43:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
43:01 --> 43:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean exactly.
43:01 --> 43:06 [SPEAKER_01]: You'd have Logan you'd have Wu you'd have Bryce Miller, but then you got to find two others.
43:07 --> 43:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Logan having them sure would be in there, but then you'd have to sign a starter in the off season, which subtracts from what you're trying to do because you would have just
43:15 --> 43:17 [SPEAKER_01]: establish starters to begin with.
43:18 --> 43:21 [SPEAKER_01]: So I actually I like the question from Garrett because he made it more interesting.
43:21 --> 43:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's safe to say if I think it's safe to say that if there's going to be a picture traded this offseason.
43:27 --> 43:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's Castillo.
43:27 --> 43:29 [SPEAKER_01]: No trade clause expires.
43:29 --> 43:30 [SPEAKER_01]: He's trending the wrong direction.
43:30 --> 43:31 [SPEAKER_01]: We've talked about it plenty.
43:32 --> 43:34 [SPEAKER_01]: But the homegrown question is the more interesting one.
43:34 --> 43:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the answer is no.
43:36 --> 43:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
43:36 --> 43:38 [SPEAKER_00]: So I would not trade any of them.
43:39 --> 43:39 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
43:40 --> 43:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Not just Castile.
43:40 --> 43:45 [SPEAKER_00]: None of the four homegrown should be leading you to be a better baseball team next year.
43:46 --> 43:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
43:47 --> 43:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Good set of mailback questions, though.
43:48 --> 43:49 [SPEAKER_00]: People bring it like always.
43:49 --> 43:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
43:50 --> 43:53 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not quite as intense as last week, I will say.
43:54 --> 44:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Last week, we got over flooded with mailback questions, hence the mega mailbag.
44:02 --> 44:04 [SPEAKER_00]: This week, 10%.
44:06 --> 44:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's just getting to the point where as we talked about on Wednesday, store lines are getting repetitive.
44:11 --> 44:13 [SPEAKER_01]: There's not a bunch of trade options to talk about.
44:13 --> 44:15 [SPEAKER_01]: There's not free agent signings to ask about.
44:16 --> 44:20 [SPEAKER_01]: the mariners are at a point where they're either going to win or they're not and that's the storyline every night.
44:21 --> 44:29 [SPEAKER_01]: There's not other surrounding storylines, not the draft, not the trade deadline, not certain guys that you could call up later in the year.
44:30 --> 44:32 [SPEAKER_01]: It's about winning and losing now.
44:33 --> 44:33 [SPEAKER_01]: That's simple.
44:35 --> 44:42 [SPEAKER_00]: So we'll see now they need to go out there and they need to sweep the angels because got to win all these home games that they're going to struggle on the road.
44:43 --> 44:43 [SPEAKER_01]: At least when three or four.
44:44 --> 44:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, at least when three or four.
44:45 --> 44:45 [SPEAKER_00]: That'd be great.
44:46 --> 44:48 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, shout out to you guys.
44:48 --> 44:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Good set of questions.
44:49 --> 44:52 [SPEAKER_01]: That just about wraps up this edition of the Marine Lair podcast.
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