Episode 300: The Mariners Are American League West Champions + Is The First-Round Bye Worth It? (Mailbag)

00:00:00 Speaker 1: Welcome to episode number three hundred of the Marine Layer Podcasts. The Mariners clinch the American League West and a first round by in the twenty twenty five playoffs, and they'll wrap up the regular season this weekend against the Dodgers. We'll give our last thoughts on the regular season and open up the mail bag and answer your guys's best listener questions. 00:00:19 Speaker 2: Your guys reminder before we get going with this show, just do us a favor. Go make sure you're rting and reviewing these episodes. If you're listening five stars it really does help. And make sure you hit download on the episodes as well. If you're on YouTube, the best way you can support is to like, comment and hit the subscribe button. You can find everything on our website as well from merch Patreon, live show schedules. That's marinelayerpod dot com, our official website, and then you can check us out across social media at marine Layer Pod. 00:00:47 Speaker 1: Let's get it rolling and we welcome you to this episode of the Marine Layer Podcast, part of the Just Baseball podcast network, recording here on Thursday evening, September twenty fifth, and Lal and I have gotten to take the last couple of days and basking this Colorado Rockies series and watch the Mariners clinch a playoff spot, clinch the American League West, and then before the game even started today clinch a first round by in the playoffs? Is this not everything we dreamed about? 00:01:32 Speaker 2: Is this not it? Of course? This is it? Well, I think there's a mountaintop we still have to get to, and this entire region has to get to because we've never been there, and that's a world series. But yeah, and it's kind of fitting there. Our three hundredth podcast episode on the date is the one that we're sitting here talking about not just being in a playoff spot, which we already did on our last episode, but sitting here talking about winning our first division title in twenty four years. Crazy right on the dot three hundred. 00:02:06 Speaker 1: And I think everyone in that ballpark on Wednesday is in the exact same boats as us. I'll say, outside of the eighteen inning playoff game against the Astros, I've not been in a better ballpark environment than I was on Wednesday. It was honestly a nine inning party at the ballpark. We've never gotten the chance at the stadium where everyone can just its all, it's almost likele like a Savannah banana's atmosphere, but with real baseball being played. I think that's how I put it on Wednesday, right, and hear me out from this point, the bananas like to be entertaining. They like to be fun. They like to get people eating and drinking and interacting and doing whatever, and like having fun having a blast. Baseball during the regular season at points is a very relaxed for everyone's relaxing, maybe not totally paying attention to the game. Or then the playoffs are going on, when the energy is the highest and everyone is dressed out of their mind like we were when the Mariners were last in the playoffs. But Wednesday, as soon as Cal hit his fifty ninth home run of the season into the upper deck and right field, I looked at you and I said game. 00:03:11 Speaker 2: Over, and then it one yeah, And then when Julio Homer is very next to bat, it was really over. 00:03:18 Speaker 1: Everyone could sit there from the top of the second inning on and realize we're gonna win a division title. Everyone's gonna party tonight. The fireworks are gonna go off. There's gonna be a banner next season. The manners are gonna have home field advantage in the playoffs at least for a round like this sets in for eight innings, and people treat it that exact same way. So when Cal comes up in the bottom of the eighth inning and the ultimate I'm gonna be honest, because this is what it was, the ultimate stat padding opportunity for Cal Rawley. He does exactly what he should and hits an absolute nuke for his sixtieth homer of the season, and everyone can stand up with nine innings of alcohol in their system. 00:04:01 Speaker 2: Going AMVP, AMVP. 00:04:04 Speaker 1: And then he goes boom and it was one of the most epic things ever. We're standing out on the concourse listening to it, and it was just awe inspiring. 00:04:12 Speaker 2: I mean, people exploded for that. Which think about telling people that, just a couple of weeks ago, Hey, you're gonna hear this stadium erupt on a Wednesday night against the Colorado Rockies during a blowout game in the bottom of the eighth inning. Think about that, because a couple of weeks ago, it did feel like Cal's MVP pype was tailing off a little bit because he hit a cold streak after the All Star break for a bit and in August, But. 00:04:38 Speaker 1: Weren't the odds like Judge minus nine hundred at the start of that brave series. 00:04:44 Speaker 2: Oh even just I think even a little more recently than that, it was that high, or it was that drastic. Now, as we said here on Thursday night, Cal's a favorite. He's a favorite. 00:04:57 Speaker 1: Insane. The amount of people that were walking past us on the concourse. They had gotten to this point of the season where I'm gonna go camp out for a Cal home run ball. How many people do you think we're standing out there in right field waiting to try and get the sixtieth. 00:05:09 Speaker 2: I mean, we had multiple people telling us we are headed to right field right now to try and catch his sixtieth home run if he hits it. 00:05:17 Speaker 1: And then the guy who caught it happened to be the greatest person of all time. 00:05:21 Speaker 2: Yeah, not like that, not like that, ridiculous Philly Karen. Yeah, this person. 00:05:27 Speaker 1: They had him on the field today on Thursday's game to meet Cal, and Cal gave him some more signed bat I think signed bats and balls, which this guy also gave away to his kids, Like he caught the sixtieth home run ball? Right, If I have this right, caught the sixtieth home run ball and gave it away to a kid, Like that's incredible. How much is that ball worth? 00:05:48 Speaker 2: Oh, it's worth a lot, And especially in a day and age where there's these insane adult autograph seekers and autograph hounds who often just want this stuff to go sell it. No, he just gave it right to a kid. It's kind of what baseball's about. 00:06:03 Speaker 1: And then everything that followed, I mean, I think that was the perfect capper for Wednesday to allow the party to like, all right, parties starting right now. Party starts right now. It's like, if you want to leave, you want to go out in Acidental, go see our friends at the Hall and Occidental, grab a leader full of beer, maybe order the boot and just start going to town. Now is the time to go do it. And then right after everyone's on the field, the fireworks go off. The clubhouse celebration was more than I expected. That's great. I'm glad everyone had a great time. But there was like everyone was legitimately throwing a party, which made me very happy to watch, and everyone at the ballpark was that in that exact mood. There's some people probably listening to this who ran into us at the park on Wednesday, and I just want to say thank you guys, like for a full season of support. To see this all come together and all of us have a good time at the same time is truly cool because I think we got to experience that through some people and really capped off what was an amazing night. 00:07:01 Speaker 2: Got to experience it all together. And this is why we all go through it. This is why you guys sit and listen to us and watch every game, and this is why we sit here and stress throughout every inning of every game through the year and talk through it and have our crazy takes and have our highs and our lows and talk about how the season's over and then how they're gonna win the World Series. It's for stuff like this, like baseball is such an emotional roller coaster. It's different than football, it's different than sports like basketball and hockey. It is such an emotional roller coaster every night, and when you get that, you get that moment and to live that out like that's what makes it all worth it. And we saw that on full display on Wednesday night. It was so cool. Yess A serious shout out to everybody we saw and met on Wednesday. We do. We We are fortunate enough to meet a lot of really awesome fans throughout the year, and every person we meet has been great. But it was just it was a different type of setting on Wednesday. I mean people, not only do we meet a ton of people on Wedens, but people are just like us. We're like, I'm having screaming matches with fans in like the best of ways, not a screaming match where we're arguing about something. We're just all screaming back and forth. They're like, ah, like, let's go, and we're jumping around and high fives are going all around. It's very cool. The marriage community of fans is very very cool. 00:08:20 Speaker 1: You know who else deserved a party? The Rock? 00:08:24 Speaker 2: Yeah? 00:08:25 Speaker 1: Do we realize as we've talked about, it's not an impossible scenario. In fact, seems likely he'll get traded this offseason for them to shed salary or whatever because there's no trade clause expires, and they did that with Robbie Ray as soon as it came around. But that could be could be Luis Castillo's last start at home as a Mariner. It very well could be. And what did he do? Yeah, he was facing a minor league lineup, pitched into the eighth inning, struck out ten guys, allowed one hit. I mean, perfect way, perfect way to pitch in this game, in a game where the Mariner offense was really good. The rock came out in a season, in two seasons that have been anything but perfect for him, but fittingly, over these last four starts he's made during this run for the Mariners has been unbelievable. And you know what, because of that, the Mariners are probably gonna put him in the playoff rotation and he's gonna start a playoff game because of how he's pitched. I don't know if he's gonna pitch at home, but if this is his last outing at te Mobile Park, it was a really good one. It was really good. 00:09:40 Speaker 2: Awesome. He allowed everybody to party for nine innings. He didn't let that game get out of hand. He didn't let the Rockies hang around. It was an absolute cruise control start from Luis Castillo. Yeah, awesome. I like, I still hope, you know what, I don't want to do that yet. I was gonna say, I hope people appreciate every he's done in his time here, this and that because we don't know if he's gonna get traded. They could just keep him next year. We don't know, so I won't do that yet. But let's just focus on the fact that he dealt in a game and during a night that was as high energy as we've seen in basically our entire lifetime stands a playoff game at that ballpark, and he gave people every reason to be in like the best of moods. 00:10:25 Speaker 1: Before we get to Thursday, I just want to throw one note on the Rockies and that's it. They deserve to be the worst team ever. They're not gonna set the losses record, but they're worse than the White Sox last year. Yeah, their run differential is one hundred runs worse one hundred. How do you have a negative four hundred run differential play series like this? Like, they're just not good at anything. No, no pictures, can't field, they can't hit. 00:11:03 Speaker 2: They have one real hitter essentially, and Hunter Goodman pretty much. 00:11:08 Speaker 1: So that that was my takeaway watching the Rockets. It's like, this team is awful. This team, this team is so atrocious. That is why I thought cal is gonna hit number sixty one here on Thursday, he did not, but while if he was a Yankee he would have sixty one home runs. 00:11:24 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, it's funny that fly out to the warning track that was taken down by the good old Marine layer. What about a home running Yankee Stadium. It's funny. I thought Aaron Judge was the greatest things in the history. It's like in the history of baseball since Slice Bread. He can do no wrong. Sorry, I shouldn't. I shouldn't quite do that because Aaron Judge may retire the greatest right handed hitter ever. But again, if Cal played at Yankee Stadium, I mean to have the record right now. 00:11:49 Speaker 1: And notice how on the Root broadcast they went right to it. Yep, yeah, and pushing the agenda. Good Yankee fans need to chill the fuck out. 00:11:58 Speaker 2: Oh dude, no, no, no, actually no, I totally disagree with you. Don't chill the fuck out, because what Cal has done, and what this fan base has done, is gotten rent the hell free in every single one of their heads. They are letting this the little old Pacific Northwesterns piss them off every day, every minute of every day for the last few weeks, especially the last ten days. Don't stop keep bitching on Twitter, keep trying to find all these stats to pull out for why cal should win the MVP. Keep doing that. 00:12:30 Speaker 1: He's a gimmick. 00:12:32 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, thanks, Tiki Barber. Calra is a gimmick. That's why Aaron Judge isn't gonna win the MVP. They're gonna give it to a gis. 00:12:37 Speaker 1: It's a gimmick when you have a record that is only only only ever been accomplished by Aaron Judge, Mark McGuire, Sammy Sosa, Barry Bonds, Roger Morrison, Babe Ruth. Yeah, very gimmicky. Yeah, you know what I said, I didn't know switch hitting was was a gimmick. 00:12:54 Speaker 2: Button. 00:12:54 Speaker 1: You know what, I learned something new every day. 00:12:56 Speaker 2: You know what I think, Tiki Barber, I think your baseball takes are a gimmick and frankly, you shouldn't talk about them. He also called him in that He also calls him in that clip. If you listen, he calls him call Raleigh. No, buddy, that's not his name. It's not c alll it's not call it's not call learn ball dude, sad. 00:13:15 Speaker 1: It is gonna be a fun agenda weekend. That's why I said they need to dh cow and lead them off every single game. I think Dan Wilson and the Mariners need to fully buy into this. Piss the Yankees off. Elevate judges or Col's MVP stature as much as humanly possible. If that means he's gonna stat pat all weekend, I don't care one bit. I don't care if he's out there against a position player pitching in the ninth inning, he didn't be at the plane swinging away. 00:13:46 Speaker 2: That would be amazing. Could you imagine Yankee fans if he hits his sixty third home run off a position player, they will be so pissed they will try and like invalidate the award. They're gonna try and invalidate the awards. Say it's Mickey, now, say it doesn't count. It's like, oh my god, that would be amazing. They're gonna say, no, Cal hit sixty one home runs on the year, not sixty three, not sixty two. They're gonna say it's invalidated. Yeah, it would also be well, yeah, but. 00:14:19 Speaker 1: Since the Marritors don't have much to play for this weekend, maybe he will. The Mariners have the ability to do really whatever they want with this lineup. 00:14:29 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think they're gonna rest a lot of guys. If I were the Mariners, I wouldn't catch Cal all weekend. He has caught so much all year. He has just the wear and tear on his body. It is unbelievable what he does. So do the guy favor he DHD on Thursday. Give him essentially a full near week and a half off. You know what that would do for him, seriously, and then he's fresh as hell for the postseason. DH them all weekend, and I'm. 00:14:55 Speaker 1: Pretty confident they'll do that. Just look at how they've handled the game tonight, like so DH and play the entire game because Cal was the only like star remaining in that lineup right by the oh Gino was in. But they, I think ran out of bench players. 00:15:11 Speaker 2: So I will say originally this afternoon, the Mariners were going to roll out a lineup full of starters, which makes sense because they were playing for the two seed they want to buy. Once the Guardians lost on Thursday, they changed the lineup. Said all right, Cal, you're going to DH. You're not gonna catch to night. We've got the buy, which makes sense. 00:15:29 Speaker 1: But Cal was hitting in the bottom of the eighth inning, Julio was out of the lineup. 00:15:32 Speaker 2: Uh yeah, which which one? They should let him go for history. There's no harm, no foul Again, he's dhing. 00:15:38 Speaker 1: Everything needs to stat pad this entire weekend. 00:15:41 Speaker 2: Number two and feel free to quote me on this. I have a following message for the Colorado Rockies. Fuck you though, Yes, you and your one hundred and fifteen ass loss season are fucking intentionally talking a guy down five nothing in a meaningless game. What the fuck are you doing? That? Is this bush league and horseshit of anything that I've seen in forever? What the fuck? Seriously, what are we doing? You have one hundred and fifteen losses, you're down five nothing, You're playing for nothing. 00:16:23 Speaker 1: So both Yankee, So can we agree now that both Yankee fans and Mariner fans hate intentional walks for two different reasons. Mariner fans hate intentional walks right now because that's what's taking at bats away from Cal Rawly to hit his sixty third home run. And Yankee fans hate Aaron Judge getting intentionally walked thirty four times because he can't hit sixty home runs. Yeah, that was the big argument today I'm sorry, Aaron's been intentionally walked too many times. He can't he can't hit sixty homers. 00:16:56 Speaker 2: No, I mean, to be fair, Aaron Judge also chokes in high leverage situations, just like he chokes in every postseason. 00:17:03 Speaker 1: Yeah, cal Rally not a problem for Cal. 00:17:05 Speaker 2: I mean shout out Zach Left on Twitter for this, but he dug all this up today. If you combine all these basically leveraged situations, there is a high leverage split. But if you use that, you use runners on, you use runners on base, you use bases loaded, you combine all four of those things. Cal Raley's ops is four hundred points higher in those scenarios, and Aaron Judge, Aaron Judge in those scenarios has a sixty six WRC plus. In other words, you want to talk about cal staff padding on Wednesday night, Fine, Aaron Judge doesn't do anything in any sort of important situation. By the way, in all those situations, you know how many home runs he has on the ear, zero zero homers and five RBIs to Cal's twenty eight. I'd want my MVP actually clutching up. Hmmm. 00:17:52 Speaker 1: I'm I'm right there, I'm right there. 00:17:54 Speaker 2: With you. 00:17:55 Speaker 1: Yeah, I need to let me. I'm trying to take a closer look at these again. Yeah, man, Holy moly, should we do the ops gap like the Yankee fans like to do in the MVP argument with Call and Judge. It's like, if you do the ops between Aaron Judge and Cal Rawley. If you if you subtract two hundred points of ops from Aaron Judge, you get Cal Rawle. If you subtract two hundred points of ops from cal Rawle, you get Zach McKinstry, which, well, well, what do you get when you subtract four hundred points of ops and high leverage from Cal? You get Aaron Judge? And what do you get when you subtract four hundred points more of ops in that scenario? Low? Do you know what you get? Dylan Moore? 00:18:36 Speaker 2: Like second half of twenty twenty five? Dillan, Yeah, dude, Like, what a stupid ass fucking argument from these Yankee fans if you subtract one hundred and fifty points. No, I'm not subtracting one hundred and fifty points off of Cal's ops. Cals a nine to fifty ops on the year. 00:18:52 Speaker 1: We're not subtracting if we want to talk, if we want to cherry pick stats, so we can keep cherry picking stats since May their offensive profiles are pretty similar. So whatever, whoever you want to vote for, go for it. I think both players have a very good argument to be the American League MVP, But we're voting for Cal. Sorry, don't get upset. 00:19:14 Speaker 2: I think our friend Ben Ranieri actually put it very well on Twitter, and I think this is a good point. Who tells the story better of the twenty twenty five season. Is it Aaron Judge or is it Cal? No, you're gonna talk about cal Rally and I understand there's some voter fatigue with Judge. 00:19:28 Speaker 1: I was gonna say the voter fatigue is real. 00:19:30 Speaker 2: But people are going to talk about a sixty home run season for a switch hitting catcher who helped his team win their first division title in twenty four years. The Yankees maybe a wild card team. Yeah, Like, it's cal Raleigh's story this year. 00:19:47 Speaker 1: Some people don't like to vote for story though, they want to vote on production. Yeah, because ultimately it is a production on the field award, not like a set number, but most valuable to the production of a team, not what team has the best storyline. Yeah, that's fair, But we make the argument for cal if we're talking about a non statistical thing of the impact he has on pitching staff. That's the argument we make, and the fact that he gets more wear and tear on his body than Aaron Judge does yet puts up similar offensive numbers in fact, historical offensive numbers. They're both historical offensive players, just one's doing it playing a more demanding position and hitting for both sides of the plate. 00:20:26 Speaker 2: And again, I think what Yankees fans are not grasping is I don't think any Mariners fans saying cal Raley, overall for his career, is a better player than Aaron Judge. No, nobody's saying that we're a better hitter. He's not, but he's having the better overall year in my opinion. 00:20:42 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm one hundred percent with you. Before we get to this mailbag, I do just want to touch on cal for a second because the enormity of what cal Rally has accomplished, now that he's gotten to sixty home runs, it's it's pretty fucking insane. Like, if we're just being frank, I read it off early I'll read it off again. The members of sixty home run Club are Cal Raley, Aaron Judge, Mark McGuire, Sammy Sosa, Barry Bonds, Roger Merris, and Babe Ruth. Cal is the first non Yankee in the American League to hit sixty home runs. Let that set in first non Yankee and he's also the first non Yankee to hit a clean sixty home runs. 00:21:22 Speaker 2: Dude, think about all the players over the history of baseball that have been in the American League. Mike Trout, Albert Poolholes. I know he wasn't as great with the Angels, but still, Frank Thomas. Keep listing off names. You can do a ton of these. 00:21:37 Speaker 1: Speaking of that, like names who have guys who have never hit fifty home runs in their career, which should level your expectations for Cal the rest of his career. He might not hit fifty home runs ever, get in his career. Might not, it's hard. Albert Poohles never hit fifty home runs in his career. Frank Thomas never hit fifty homers in his career. Manny Ramirez never hit fifty home runs in his career. Frank Robinson, Ted Williams, Reggie Jackson. Those are all guys in the five hundred home run club. Albert Poolhols has seven hundred home runs, so does Hank Aaron. Hank Aaron also has never hit fifty homers. Cal has sixty. 00:22:14 Speaker 2: It's crazy. Yeah, keep doing a name off for guys in the American League who have never done what Cal's done. You just said Manny Ramirez, you could say Vladdie Senior, you could say, you could list anybody. Miguel Cabrera, none of those guys. 00:22:27 Speaker 1: He did it once. 00:22:29 Speaker 2: Maggie never hit sixty. That's why I'm ever hit sixty. 00:22:32 Speaker 1: Yeah, he had fifty two. 00:22:33 Speaker 2: Sure, I'm talking about sixty. None of these guys have ever done what cal Raley's done. And you're talking about some of the best hitters to ever grace the sport. 00:22:42 Speaker 1: And cal Rawley overall as a hitter might not be as great as those players, but for one season and hopefully many, many, many many more in the future, he has now etched his name in the history books on Inner Inner Inner Circle Hall of Famers. And again three three of these guys were obvious juicers who had some chemical help to hit this many home runs. And do you know this, there's only one player younger than him to hit sixty home runs. It was Roger Maris. That's it. That's the only guy who's younger than him when they got this mark. Everyone else was older and more mature, aka needing chemical enhancements to make their body not ages or deteriorate, while they have that much more knowledge of the game. Because that's the real advantage of steroids. Yeah, you're bigger and stronger, but you're also able to sort of stop the clock on your aging while you perform in golf and all this baseball knowledge. So it's it's crazy that Col, before all of these guys did, has hit sixty home runs. 00:23:51 Speaker 2: Meanwhile, where the hell is Roger Merris Junior at? Shouldn't he be at all these games trying to watch greatness? This man paraded around in twenty twenty two going every Yankee game because he couldn't miss history. He said, everybody should be in attendance to watch the single season home run record get broken. Well, buddy, shouldn't you be at all Col's games? I mean, you set the president? 00:24:12 Speaker 1: Hass Can I turn the question around on you? I mean I would know I blocked him. 00:24:16 Speaker 2: Oh, I forgot. Yeah. For those who don't know, this was early in the induction or into the introduction of this podcast. But TJ has admitted before he has Roger Merris Junior very much blocked on Twitter. He's like, dude, shut the fuck up. Back in twenty twenty two, it's like, I'm not listening to this. You didn't hit any of these home runs stopped. It's not even the. 00:24:35 Speaker 1: He it's not even Roger Marris. 00:24:37 Speaker 2: It's Roger Merris Junior. Yeah't play baseball? 00:24:40 Speaker 1: Yeah, shut up? 00:24:44 Speaker 2: He is the worst. I remember Carabas when everything ended with Aaron Judge and he got to sixty two. Finally, I think what he finally I think what he tweeted is he tweeted the wedding crashers gift of Owen Wilson and Vince Vaughan popping all the champagne at a wedding, and he tweeted in all caps, he said, we never have to hear from Roger Merris Junior ever again. 00:25:05 Speaker 1: Are we going to get a college football cut ins this weekend? It's not a help, so. 00:25:10 Speaker 2: It's not a Yankee, so probably not the worldwide leader as supposed to cover all sports fairly all teams. Oh, I'm sorry. You mean the worldwide leader that spends three hours every morning talking about the demise of the Cowboys in May. 00:25:26 Speaker 1: I guess. And ESPN's baseball contract is up too, So yeah, I guess at least Sunday night baseball contracts. Maybe they're less They're feeling less inclined to to show cow That's not. 00:25:37 Speaker 2: Fair, it's ridiculous. All right, there are three other things I want to get to before we answer some mailback questions. They're not going to be crazy long topics, but I do want to just hit on a couple of things. Number one one other thing about the celebration. How cool is this group of players? Seriously, if anybody was online and saw what they were doing after their own clubhouse party on Wednesday night, a bunch of these guys went out and they were essentially hanging out with a bunch of fans at a bar. I don't know which bar they were at. I don't know if they were a cowgirls? Was it really? That didn't look like they were legitimately sitting down. That can't be cowgirls. 00:26:18 Speaker 1: There are some tables in there. 00:26:20 Speaker 2: I guess it's not a weekend so maybe it's not like person to person packed. 00:26:24 Speaker 1: I think I was trying to look for I don't think they drove anywhere because like they were all drinking. 00:26:31 Speaker 2: That's a decent point. Maybe that's where they were. Okay anyway, well, okay, no, And here's here's why I say I don't think it was cowgirls because somebody said that, and this is what I was going to get into that Brian wu decided to just start playing pool with a bunch of random fans and start chatting everybody up. 00:26:47 Speaker 1: I think they have a pool table on that upper there's like I think there is. They might have a pool table, and they're on a non like. 00:26:56 Speaker 2: Friday Friday Saturday night. 00:26:58 Speaker 1: I think it was. I think it was again because I don't think they want they went anywhere else. I don't think they drove anywhere because the otherwise not everyone would have been together. 00:27:08 Speaker 2: That's true, let's say Ubert or something. Anyway, point being the fact they went out and just engulfed themselves among all these Mariner fans. And Brian Wou, for example, takes it upon himself too. He's you know, there was a bunch of selfies on Twitter of him and fans and he's playing pool with a bunch of random fans, Like, this is such a cool group of players, Like it really is. In addition to the team just being really good and having a bunch of talent, it seriously is an easy group of guys to root for, and we try to talk about it, and we try to bring it to this podcast when we have stuff to share about how each one of these guys is so unique in their own way and collectively all of them are so easy to root for, and individually there's so many great stories between each of them that make people want to be invested in these guys and make people want to buy their merch and watch their games and cheer them on at every chance. It's not just the team aspect of it. There are individual stories that people like lock onto and I guarantee you every fan that was playing pool with Brian Woo the other night is gonna be a huge fan of his for the rest of time. That is, like, that's so cool that they did that. 00:28:18 Speaker 1: It's just such an easy way to make yourself like likable, Like you just we put athletes on a pedestal so often because they are almost detached. I mean they're almost not real. You make all this money, you play in front of all of these people, with tens of thousands of people watching you every day, You're richer than ninety nine point nine percent of humanity will ever be. 00:28:43 Speaker 2: You get crazy. 00:28:43 Speaker 1: The endorsement's all that stuff, all of this attention that normal people will never get, will never get. And yet it's like it takes an occasion like this for all of these guys to essentially just go like sit down and hang out at a dive bar like the rest of us MS. It makes you feel that much better. Oh, and shout out to our guy Adam Ray, who was also there right in the middle of it. 00:29:09 Speaker 2: Dude, He's everywhere he can get it, Like, if there's a Seattle sports function going on, he'll be there. I mean, for like, you know who he was sitting with at the Mariners game this week, John Schneider. Yeah, like who he calls his buddy and I think they legitimately are friends. He's with John Schneider and then he makes his way to I mean, dude, think about the pedestal that Adam Ray's gone on this week. He goes from popping champagne in the Mariners clubhouse with all the guys, to watching the game with John Schneider, to talking to us what a major drop off in his twenty four hours, which, by the way, as we're sitting there talking at him for a bit the other day, what he didn't tell us is he took it upon himself to just absolutely tear me to shreds on the radio when he was on Wyman and Bob make it up. He's just insane. 00:29:53 Speaker 1: Lies it was. 00:29:55 Speaker 2: It was not for that long, No, I'm kidding. It was only for like thirty seconds. But he on Woman and Bob this week and decided to tell the people once he said, yeah, I'm gonna go down to the field and make my rounds. He's like, he's like, who's that guy on the morning show Lyle or whatever. Dude, he's that guy's texting me in the late night all the time saying hey, sweet dreams sweetheart. It's like, well, I better go meet this guy in person and actually, like, you know, try to put a stop to all this. It's like, well, Adam, we've we met multiple times in person and you've been on our podcast. 00:30:27 Speaker 1: By the way, the at UB commentator who took these photos, he did confirm it was Cowgirls. 00:30:32 Speaker 2: Oh, so there you go. 00:30:33 Speaker 1: The question is did anyone get on the bull? 00:30:36 Speaker 2: I bet it wasn't running it's the Mariters, you turn it on. Well that's probably true anyway, if cal. 00:30:44 Speaker 1: Rawley says he wants to get on the bull at Cowgirls, you turn it on for I. 00:30:48 Speaker 2: Mean, that's fair. Adam's obviously kidding. By the way, like most of the things Adam says as a comedian, obviously are you don't text him and knowing you know what, some people don't pick up sarcasm. So no, we we do not text Adam at twelve thirty in the morning saying sweet dreams, sweetheart, believe it or not as much as it's crossed my mind in the past to text him at twelve thirty in the morning and saying sweet dreams. No, I have not done that, but thanks Adam. 00:31:15 Speaker 1: Like now, Adam absorbs so much information about things people say and people he knows, it's it's incredible. Like he's doue tours all over the country and still is like dialed into all the producers on his favorite Seattle sports. 00:31:28 Speaker 2: Station to the to the fucking Marine Layer podcast. Yeah, and this this dude's in front of that, like thousands and thousands of people in New York City. He's friends with Travis Kelcey, but yet he remembers us, which is crazy. So no, Adam, Adam's the man it is. I mean, it's amazing to see the blow up he's had over the last few years. And when you meet the guy in person, similar to these athletes, I think it all ties in that somebody that is by every definition a celebrity, a legit celebrity, but he is one of the nicest, coolest, most down to earth people you will meet. 00:32:05 Speaker 1: And the players love him, love him. Oh, they like they flock to him. 00:32:10 Speaker 2: I mean, George Kirby loves the guy. And I think, as people know about George Kirby is not always the most outward extroverted person in the whole world. Oh does he love Adam Ray. 00:32:20 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's nothing a good comedian can't solve exactly. 00:32:24 Speaker 2: But yeah, the whole thing was really fun the last few days. So Okay, that was one. Maybe I'll speed through some of these before we get to the other questions. Number two, we talked about a playoff anthem on our last episode. We have our answer on what it's going to be, and it was what you speculated the other night, mister Rager by Kid Cuddy, this is about to become a real thing. This is going to be the Mariner's version of Hire by Creed. It's gonna be the Mariner's version of Dancing on my own in Philadelphia. Be like So, the guys apparently listened to it a lot in the clubhouse. They were singing to it on Tuesday night when they clinched the playoff spot. But it's only escalated since then. Not only have has a bunch of the fan base picked up on that this is their song and that fans want to get you know ingrained into it, Kid Cutty is now acknowledging the Mariners, saying, oh this is sick kid cutting himself's on Twitter and saying how cool is this? 00:33:20 Speaker 1: Nay, he said any city come out for a game. 00:33:23 Speaker 2: Well, so let me add context though. 00:33:24 Speaker 1: Oh yeah. 00:33:25 Speaker 2: When he was saying how cool it was, JP Crawford quote tweeted him and said, Brody, we got to get you out to a game. Then Kid Cutty quote tweets JP and says, I'm down. I mean so if that's not enough in its own right, which it should be, and if the players listening to a bunch isn't enough in its own right. If you watch JP's interview on Wednesday after the Mariners clinch the AO West and she's wrapping it up and she says, JP, thanks so much, like, go enjoy the night, and what does he do. He goes, mister Ray, I'm like, oh, yeah, this is this is gonna be a real thing. I think this song is gonna get played in the park a lot in October. 00:34:05 Speaker 1: And they played it on Wednesday pregame. 00:34:07 Speaker 2: Mm hmm. 00:34:09 Speaker 1: I know they played as the team was taking the field though, right not during pregame warm ups. It was like right before they walked onto the field. 00:34:18 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's this is gonna be a real thing. I just want to make sure I didn't miss any of these kid Cutty tweets or does he tweet too much to even try and follow this stuff. 00:34:26 Speaker 1: He does retweet and reply a lot, Yeah, no, I think you got it. I think that, oh yeah, And then he retweets something it's like Seattle still loves you and he says I love Seattle Mariners celebrating kid Cutty style, or retweets that and he retweets the Mariner's locker room saying a beautiful to them dancing to mister Rager, So yeah, he's all in. 00:34:48 Speaker 2: I if I were you anybody listening to this, because TJ and I are doing the same thing, I would learn those lyrics. You don't have to do it to the whole song. Learn the lyrics to the chorus because one, it's gonna get played a lot. And number two again, when when this stuff happens, like when it was happening in Philly and in Dallas. I think it's the coolest thing. It's like the easiest thing for people to rally around. And if you get forty seven thousand of a sold out crowd at Timoba Park singing mister Rager as this team's trying to rally between innings or after a win, how sick is that? I like, it's it's not that hard to learn. Just like, just go learn the lyrics. I think it's gonna be so cool. 00:35:26 Speaker 1: It's out of those Savannah Bananas playbook. Mm hmm. Easiest way to get everyone together at the same time. Start singing right. It's like it's like Elf the movie, mm hmm. 00:35:36 Speaker 2: Except they're not gonna be singing Santa Claus's coming to town. Well, they could feel weird, pretty funny, but they're a little weird for October. 00:35:45 Speaker 1: It would be, but you know, everyone has their preference. 00:35:48 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's your homework is I'm and everybody mister Rager by kid Cutty. I'll probably talk about it more as the days and weeks go on, just to do our part to get everybody to be bought in on this thing, because again, I think it has a chance to be a really really cool phenomenon. Third thing, then we'll rip through some mailby questions Brocken Salk this morning, as we were on the show, got a pretty unique caller and speaking of really awesome good stories to tell here this week, this is one on a whim. Justin Hollander decides to call into Brocken Salk as they're taking regular callers, just hearing from fans about how they're feeling about the Mariners winning the West. Justin Hollander calls in on a whim and goes out of his way to just endlessly thank Mariners fans for all their support. And he's just outpouring all this thank you and appreciation for the city of Seattle on this great fan base. What a cool thing. That's the GM of the team. Man. You're not seeing gms all over the league doing that stuff. And I'll tell you for Hollander to do that and to acknowledge the fans and to say how much it means to our players, our coaching staff, our entire organization to really go out of his way the morning after the biggest clinch the team's had in a long time to just thank the fans. He like, I'll tell you this about Justin Honder, he really gets it. And the two of us don't know him incredibly well, but from everything we've seen from him, from the little bit we've interacted with him, from the way he just treats other people, to the answers he gives in the media, you can just tell he is a genuine dude who genuinely gets it. He has to do his job as a front office members, as an executive Seattle of the Seattle Mariners, but it's a dude who really has a pulse on the fan base for about as much as any GM or front office member can have. And for him to do that this morning, I thought it was really awesome. 00:37:42 Speaker 1: It's a very transparent way of, you know, thinking about your fans and thinking about the team and this ride they've been on the last handful of years. And that's where I think this is different than twenty twenty two because they've now had sort of that burden, that pressure of making the playoffs because you have a roster good enough, not because you have a playoff drought or it's it's time for you to take that step forward and do the right thing. And I think Justin was sitting there and appreciating what he saw this week with the Rocky Series, is that finally, once you put a team together that is sort of worthy of this. It has brought everyone out and everyone is nothing but positive about this now. And this is what they wanted. This was the dream when they started rebuilding in twenty nineteen, Like, this is the kind of team they wanted to build. And once they have built it, I mean, check the boxes of everything you wanted. You wanted a team good enough to get home field advantage, you wanted a strong farm system as well, and you wanted fans to come flock out and sell out a ballpark against the worst team in baseball, and you got all of that so it takes sitting back and just being like, that's pretty cool, like this is it? Like, thank you for following through on your part too. We followed through on ours now as a front office, and the fans have fallowed through on theirs as well. I think that's how I saw that. 00:39:06 Speaker 2: Yeah, he really seems like one of the good dudes in the game of baseball who again really just seems to get it. He has to do his job as he should, but he really seems to have a pulse on a fan base, which good for you. Justin Hollander again, to go out of your way to do that, major, major props. That was really cool and I think a lot of people appreciated it. 00:39:26 Speaker 1: So I was caught off guard a little bit. I was like, Justin Sielo was like, huh, that voice sounds familiar, but that that was pretty cool. Definitely catches you off guard. Different than some of the other cars they call in that you always note when they do call in. 00:39:42 Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, those ones exist exactly. 00:39:45 Speaker 1: Before we get to the mailbag, do you want to read an ad? 00:39:47 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do it. Let's talk to you about her friends at Pagotcha's Pub eighty five if you guys want to watch the Mariners in the playoffs, maybe some of you couldn't get tickets because the getting prices are like eight trillion dollars. So if you need a place to watch the game instead, head over there to Pigotcha's Pub eighty five. It really is a cool spot, you guys. 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Go check out our Patreon page if that feels like something you want to do and you support us a little bit more and get some extra benefits from it. Patreon dot com slash Marine Layer Pod. Starting off, Lyle Tanner is wondering would you rather have the first round by or keep the momentum up and play the wild card series. We've seen how teams play after that first round by is scary sometimes because they look a little flat. What do you think? 00:41:13 Speaker 2: Look, I get it, and the thought process is not crazy. You have to take the buye if you are operating and your baseball team by by logic, by the ability to rest. I understand that continuing to play can keep momentum up, and it often does, but logistically you're always taking a bye. There's a reason that's a reward that teams get for having the best records. Think about cal Raley getting a week off his feet, having fresh legs. Think about Brian wu now getting extra time to recover from this peck and being as fresh as he can for the playoffs. Think about Julio and all the other guys that honestly may not even have injuries that you know about, injuries that are public, because every single one of these guys is battling something at this point in the year. It's just how a season goes. They all get a week now, like a little over a week to just rest and recover and get as right as possible. I would take the buye or would you. 00:42:05 Speaker 1: Rather have a one hundred percent chance of winning the Wildcard Series or not? One hundred percent chance? That is really what it is. 00:42:13 Speaker 2: Maybe that's a simpler way to put it. Yeah, good point one less entire playoff series you have to play in your path to the World Series. 00:42:19 Speaker 1: I would take the one hundred percent chance. In terms of how it's worked out in this new format, it's exactly if we look at World Series teams, it is split fifty to fifty in terms of buy teams versus non buy teams. Last year, Yankees and Dodgers both had a buy The year before that, the Rangers and the Diamondbacks both didn't have a buy. In fact, do you remember that postseason all the bye teams got bounced pretty quickly. And then if we look at the twenty twenty two playoffs, the Astros had to buy the Phillies did not have a buye. The results don't really say one thing or another. It's pretty balanced. But that's kind of how Major League Baseball playoffs have always been. It's always been a little chaotic. It's not the craziest thing ever in these playoff series for a team to get hot and win three out of five games and knock off a top team like it happens. 00:43:06 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:43:07 Speaker 1: So yeah, maybe if you play twenty five years of this format and we see for some reason the buys affect teams, then they might reevaluate that. But I don't see anything right now that would suggest that. 00:43:21 Speaker 2: Yeah, agreed. 00:43:24 Speaker 1: Next question on Patreon comes from Patrick, and Patrick's question is how would you evaluate Dan Wilson as a manager now that the season is almost over? Was he a key ingredient or did they do this in spite of him? 00:43:39 Speaker 2: Man, I don't know. Look, we've been asked this question plenty. We've talked about the subject plenty throughout the year. I think two things are true. Players genuinely do love playing for him. You can tell you can tell that there is just a little bit more energy in this team, and it felt like by the end of scott service tenure. And honestly, I like the way Scott manages bullpen A lot of the time. I thought he was very good at it. His reasoning was sound, he used a real process. But that relationship between manager and team may have run its course, and it feels like the players are just a little more juiced up these days to play for Dan Wilson. If that's what motivates the players good. Ultimately it's about winning. 00:44:20 Speaker 1: Dan proposest question to you at the ballpark, Well. 00:44:23 Speaker 2: But this is what I was gonna say, just to finish it up again, the bullpen decisions, like if you listen to this pod, which all of you are so awesome in the fact that you do, you know how we feel about the bullpen decisions, like they totally lack feel from time to time, Like we talked about what the Vargas thing last week, and I really hope that it does not come back to bite them in the playoffs. So to answer Patrick's question, I would evaluate him as pretty good people person. I think it's very clear he connects with people and his in game management is a work in progress. 00:44:57 Speaker 1: It's entirely possible that managers nowadays can be bad decision makers and still be successful because the decisions ultimately don't impact the game as much like it impacts the game, but over the course of one hundred and sixty two games, not as much as you would think. Is that a fair way to think of it? Like, say you're three plays better than this other team and you have one play knocked off because the manager makes a poor decision, you're still two plays better. Fair and maybe this would be different Lile if this was like the twenty twenty one Mariners who got by by pushing all of the right buttons and having the right constructed lineup and using their bullpen too, it's like maximum efficiency despite the fact that team was not the most talented group in the world. This team, meanwhile, I mean outside of the sort of soft part of the bullpen, it's hard to make a wrong decision with the rotation, and it's hard to make a wrong decision with the lineup when it's healthy. 00:45:57 Speaker 2: Is it also fair to say that if they're the bullpen decision that goes horribly wrong in the playoffs, like we fear that we may crash out. 00:46:05 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we're going to crash out, but that hasn't happened yet. Yeah, we we were operating off of one year and change of regular season managing for Dan Wilson. Once we get like ten years, if he makes it ten years, then we have a better way of evaluating who he is as a manager, what he's good at, and if he actually affected the team as much as we thought, or maybe he affected it a great amount and they're going to really miss it after the facts, because, like like you said, with Scott Servis, we could say after his nine years as manager of the Mariners that he was good with his bullpend decisions, he liked his platoons a lot. But again, he woreth in on players at the end, Like we didn't say that. 00:46:48 Speaker 2: Yeah, from everything we understand and have picked up, he was just a little tense by the end, and I think it rubbed off on the players at times. 00:46:57 Speaker 1: Yeah, let me ask you this the question to ask you at the ballpark. I'll float it out here because you didn't have an answer for me. If Dan Wilson wins a World Series this year, see the best manager in Mariner's history I mean, what do you want me to say here, because we get like we said, decision making is at many points not good flat out. But if he wins a title, yeah, I mean it's. 00:47:29 Speaker 2: Gonna be hard to I mean you can't. You can't rip anything. If he's the first manager in the history of the club to win a World Series, I mean, there's gonna be an argument. 00:47:40 Speaker 1: Clearly something worked. 00:47:42 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's gonna be an argument, but it is. It is a funny phenomenon to even start to hypothesize about, which is why I had no answer when you asked me if that's when we were talking at the ballpark the other day, I was like, well, let me think on that. 00:47:56 Speaker 1: It's it's a good problem to have, I'll tell you that much. Yeah, Jordan is wondering how much would a cal extension be now if he signed it this offseason instead of this past offseason. 00:48:08 Speaker 2: Man, I would say double it, but that would be a lot for a catcher to get. You want to say one seventy. 00:48:16 Speaker 1: I said one fifty because the current top guaranteed mark is one hundred and forty over ten years for Will Smith. So if you gave him seven for one fifty, it's twenty one million dollars a year. He gets a he'd gin av pay bump about four million dollars. 00:48:34 Speaker 2: That Will Smith contract sounds low. One forty. 00:48:38 Speaker 1: Oh you're running forty over ten years. 00:48:40 Speaker 2: Oh you're right, you're right. Yeah. 00:48:43 Speaker 1: So that would make him the highest paid catcher in baseball, most total money, and I honestly, I don't know who would pass him. Who the hell is going to get more money than that? I don't Baldwin Well. 00:48:55 Speaker 2: For a while I thought it was going to be Adlaide, but his last two years really been tough, sledding. 00:49:00 Speaker 1: Sadly gonna make it to free agency on the Orioles. 00:49:04 Speaker 2: I don't know. Depends on what happens with Thesio because he's been playing first. 00:49:07 Speaker 1: Base exactly anyways. But this contract right here makes him over twenty million dollars a year, makes him the highest paid catcher in baseball history. I feel like that'd be pretty fair. The team's not gonna go over Teams don't go overboard for catchers just even if they hit sixty home runs, just because the wear and tear, like even Joe Mauer is not, would not today get a contract of like that long because you just wear out. 00:49:33 Speaker 2: It's just this season. It's just that this season so unprecedented for a catcher that I'm thinking maybe he'd get even more than what you think he would get, Like if you think he get one fifty, maybe up it a little bit more, which is why I would think of one sixty five, one seventy if he could. 00:49:47 Speaker 1: Get that great. It almost comes back to do you remember that Jimmy Graham like controversy when he's gonna be a free agent? Remember that? 00:49:55 Speaker 2: Aka? Do you pay him like receive? Aka? Do you pay him like a receiver? Do you pay him like a tight end? 00:50:00 Speaker 1: Because he played like a receiver but he played tight end? 00:50:03 Speaker 2: Mm hmm. 00:50:04 Speaker 1: Right where Cal could say, I mean a hit like Aaron Judges, as you get paid like Aaron Judge, but you're gonna pay me like a catcher. 00:50:10 Speaker 2: Right where Jimmy Jimmy Graham said, Look, I'm the Saint's number one receiver. I play tight end, but I am the number one pass catcher on the team. 00:50:18 Speaker 1: And he's right because he didn't even block either when we watched that but way too many times. 00:50:22 Speaker 2: And then he also magically forgot how to catch a football once he got to Seattle, he would have drop after drop after drop. 00:50:29 Speaker 1: The softest tough guy of all time. Yeah, let's get to our next question. This comes from Josh, and Josh's question is what's what this quote unquote wrap up the two seats so we can rest our guys talk. I keep hearing since we currently have the same record as the Dodgers, they need to focus on beating the Dodgers this series so they have home field advantage in the World Series. Just says am I crazy for thinking that. 00:50:56 Speaker 2: I hadn't given that much thought about NL teams record versus is AL teams. The only thing is there's two teams ahead of the Dodgers. I know the Dodgers could make the World Series. They're the most talented team in baseball. But if it's not the Dodgers, then you it's a very specific scenario you'd be playing for this weekend because if it if it's not the Dodgers, you're either gonna get the Phillies or the Brewers, and you're not gonna have better records than those teams, especially the Brewers, or you just get somebody worse than the NL who you will have a better record than. 00:51:28 Speaker 1: I would focus on the American League playoffs over the World Series. The World Series feels like we'll tackle that when we get there. 00:51:35 Speaker 2: I was gonna say, as a franchise that's never gotten there, can we just let's just worry about that. Then? 00:51:42 Speaker 1: What's more important making sure guys get rest when they've been playing every day for six months, or focusing on one hypothetical potential game in the playoffs, because that's really what it comes down to, one game, Game seven. I would I would not worry too much. I don't. I don't give a shit what happens this weekend against the Dodgers. I just want everyone to get through healthy and Cald hit sixty three home runs. If anything else happens, if the pitchers all suck, doesn't matter, Like it doesn't matter to me. 00:52:13 Speaker 2: It doesn't right now. George Kirby slated to start Friday against the Dodgers, and the other two right now are TVD They may do some bullpen games. They may well, I don't know if they call anybody up to start, but yeah, they may just kind of piece it together in the final two days. I don't think the Mariners are overly worried about that. 00:52:30 Speaker 1: Can Harry Ford start well on the mount. 00:52:36 Speaker 2: Well, I don't think it can start at any other position besides catcher. They tried that well. 00:52:42 Speaker 1: Like I said, these games don't matter, so might as well give it a shot. 00:52:46 Speaker 2: Sure, let him play shortstop. 00:52:49 Speaker 1: That's a good point. Patrick is wondering, Lyle, how do the Mariners stack up to previous World Series contenders and champions. 00:53:00 Speaker 2: Similar to the Rangers. I feel like I don't think that Rangers team in twenty three was all that much better than the twenty twenty five Mariners. They weren't much better than the twenty twenty three Mariners, but they just got in by a thread now, and. 00:53:12 Speaker 1: I think this Mariner team's better than the team was. 00:53:15 Speaker 2: I mean they they probably have a better bullpen. They're not last than Bullpenny ra like the Rangers were. They're not bottom five. I guess I should say like the Rangers were, I would go ahead. 00:53:25 Speaker 1: If we look at the last ten years, the Mariners are worse than the than most of the World Series teams. The only two I think they're better than are the twenty three Rangers and the twenty one Braves. 00:53:38 Speaker 2: Right, and the twenty one Braves didn't have a Kunya, so that makes sense they. 00:53:41 Speaker 1: Did not otherwise these teams, like just just to refresh your guys's memory, twenty twenty four Dodgers are better than the current Mariners. Twenty twenty two Astros one of the best teams I've seen. Twenty twenty Dodgers are the best offensive and pitching team in baseball. When they won twenty nineteen Nationals at a stacked rotation, twenty eighteen red talks or a juggernaut, same with the twenty seventeen Astros, twenty sixty Cubs to win fifteen Royals. Those are really really good teams. 00:54:05 Speaker 2: Maybe you could argue they were better than the fifteen Royals. 00:54:09 Speaker 1: That Royals team was nast I mean, they had the bullpen, they had really good starting rotation. Their offense I think was one of the five best, if not the best, in baseball that year. 00:54:18 Speaker 2: Remember they lost Greg Holland that year, so that three headed monster in the bullpen they had in fourteen, they didn't quite have him. Fifteen it was Herrera and Wayde Davis, but they didn't have Greg Holland he got hurt. 00:54:28 Speaker 1: The bullpen was still really good and way Davis was better that year. I thought they used him more. 00:54:33 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you can make an argument, but you can also if you were to say you think that Royals team's better. It's not crazy when you think about the last couple World Series champions. If you take the Rangers out twenty four Dodgers twenty two Astros, I don't like them, or yeah, I don't think the Marin was stack up. 00:54:50 Speaker 1: No, thankfully though you were playing in a league where you don't need to be that good to make the World Series, and then in a one seven game series, who knows. 00:54:57 Speaker 2: What happens exactly Again, like this, in this year of baseball, nobody's that good. Even though the Brewers have had the best record in baseball through the regular season. Do the Brewers scare the hell out of me if that's who they face in the World Series? No, No, they don't. It's kind of wide open. 00:55:20 Speaker 1: It is so that you can't thinking back on these World Series champs. You can say, yeah, they might be a little bit worse, but I don't. I don't know if it matters that much. No going in the playoffs, because really, really anything can happen. Yea Xander is wondering as of Wednesday, Jason Yankees, you're tied with ninety wins. That means these two teams will need to fight over the final weekend to get the first round by or get the first wild card. Will just be beneficial to the Mariners. 00:55:49 Speaker 2: I just don't know if there's a way to measure that out them. Playing more high impact games helps because it'll it'll deplete you have more energy. But I don't know if there's a quantifiable way to really measure that, because, again, like we talked about earlier in this mail bag, there are a lot of years where the teams with the buy come out flat and don't advance. It's hard to say, but how did that How would that affect the Mariners? It It probably doesn't. It's just if the Mariners were to play one of those teams, would they be more. 00:56:20 Speaker 1: Out of gas by that point, not if they played the team with the bye, which is more likely. I don't think it would affect the Mariners at all. Yeah, it would affect the other wild card series, probably because you wouldn't get to line up your starters. 00:56:37 Speaker 2: I was trying to piece together something for this for why it could have some correlation with the Mariners, But you're right, I don't really think it does. 00:56:45 Speaker 1: Yeah, unless someone gets like hurt, but I don't think that's gonna happen. 00:56:48 Speaker 2: No, it's a good question, but I think I think the Mariners don't really have don't really factor into that equation much. 00:56:56 Speaker 1: Let's end this mailbag on a high note. This is this is a great eight finale. Nick is asking three parts. Number one, does Leoti Taveries get a World Series ring? Number two? Does Leoti win Coachella Coachella Jersey of the Year, And if not, who. 00:57:16 Speaker 2: He does get a World Series ring? I'm pretty sure. 00:57:19 Speaker 1: Yeah he does. 00:57:20 Speaker 2: He does Leoti Taveres in a Mariners jersey at Coachella. That would be a hell of a Coachella jersey. Does Does somebody own that jersey? Did they even make Leoti Taveras jerseys? I think someone has one. Someone has to have bought one, unless they're related to him or a good friend of his. Who who's who's buying that? 00:57:46 Speaker 1: Given that we've talked to multiple people this year own Tommy Lastella jerseys, who's on the team less well for a shorter amount of time than Leoti was. No. 00:57:57 Speaker 2: So here's my argument to that. La Stella started the year on the team, so the mari has had time to make a few of his jerseys, and a couple of degenerates decided to buy it. Leodi Taveres was claimed off waivers in the middle of the year, lasted a month, and then was gone, Oh he's still in Triple A. 00:58:11 Speaker 1: It doesn't have that long to make jerseys, but at. 00:58:15 Speaker 2: Least there's more of a connection because you got the guy in the off season and you see him in spring training. Leodi Tavera's parachutes in was terrible and then they devade him. 00:58:24 Speaker 1: There are some real sickos out there. 00:58:27 Speaker 2: I guess hell of a Coachello jersey, though there's a. 00:58:30 Speaker 1: Quote I forget his name. There was one guy we talked to this year who said, my only goal when I buy jerseys is to buy the most random player possible. 00:58:40 Speaker 2: Well, then go get yourself a Leodi Tavera's jersey and call it a day. Yeah. 00:58:46 Speaker 1: I was thinking, like, wasn't Sergio Romo Mariner? 00:58:52 Speaker 2: Yeah? Honestly. Though, to answer next question, if Leodi Taveres wasn't going to be the craziest Mariners Coachello jersey, he asks, who would be? If you just want to stick on the twenty twenty five topic for that. 00:59:04 Speaker 1: Yeah, Zach Pop, what about Rowdy? 00:59:08 Speaker 2: No, because he was on the team too long. There's probably somebody that was infatuated with Rowdy and they wanted his jersey again, Zach Pop? 00:59:16 Speaker 1: Okay, and Pop on the back of the jersey does look kind of cool. 00:59:20 Speaker 2: That would be an insane Coachella jersey. 00:59:23 Speaker 1: Lyle shows up to Coachell Andy, He's like, woo, it's like I know that jersey. 00:59:28 Speaker 2: Oh, we're getting to Selvi. 00:59:30 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a good question, Nick, Thank you for ending that on a high note. Uh, this is the last regular season episode. How about that next time? Next time we record season will be over and we're gonna be getting ready for post season baseball season. 00:59:47 Speaker 2: Will be over and we don't have to come on here and scream about season's over. 00:59:52 Speaker 1: The real question is we're gonna need to think of something to talk about for Monday, given that the Maritors are gonna play zero games of consequence this weekend. But we'll cook something up. 01:00:02 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know what, maybe we can work on a guest or somebody for this week too. I've got a couple ideas, but maybe that could be an episode, Like, we won't make any promises on who it'll be, but we can work on that and otherwise I think we'll just be previewing a lot, especially especially on Friday's episode for when the Mariners have their series all set up. That'll be one. Well, we're gonna have plenty to talk about. Believe me. We will do our normal three episodes this upcoming week. We will absolutely have things on tap to talk about and to keep you guys informed with. So it is gonna be weird continuing a season of baseball talk that is ongoing once October starts, because we haven't done it on this podcast, but we're gonna be doing it. 01:00:43 Speaker 1: So reminder to you guys. Next week will be a five episode week. 01:00:48 Speaker 2: That's crazy. 01:00:48 Speaker 1: So it will be Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, then into the next week if they keep playing at least Tuesday. 01:00:58 Speaker 2: Because again, once these playoff games, Stuart, we're gonna do a show right after every game. Get it out as fast as we can and do that after the games. Yeah, it's gonna be fun, man, I can't wait. This is what we waited for, This is what we all dreamed about. This is what we've been Yeah, that's what we've been waiting for, and now well we get to wait a few days for it to happen. We gotta wait a week for playoff baseball, which is good in a lot of ways because they get to buy, but we also get to be antsy for a whole week just waiting for it to occur. 01:01:29 Speaker 1: Thank goodness. 01:01:32 Speaker 2: Buckle up, guys, it's gonna be a last all right. I think that wraps up this edition of the Marine Layer Podcast. You guys know the drill. 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